From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 1 14:43:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EAhTA-0003BL-46-0003Bg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:43:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EAhTA-0003BL-46; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 05:18:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EAhTA-0003BL-46; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 05:18:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EAhTA-0002hB-3V; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 05:18:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EAhT8-0004VI-VG; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 06:18:34 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EAhRo-00041O-OZ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 06:17:12 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.23] (helo=mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EAhRo-00041H-Gb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 06:17:12 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 01 Sep 2005 06:17:12 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,159,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="8266857:sNHT17895605" Received: from dsl-80-41-187-211.access.as9105.com ([80.41.187.211]:10040 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EAhPu-000BhX-DS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 06:15:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 06:07:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro - display individual pictures? Message-ID: <4da3685188dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Is it possible to display an individual picture when the View Options > >setting is to not display pictures? > Not as far as I know. > It would be a good feature. That would be a very useful option. We were re-working a document recently that contained a lot of pictures/diagrams, we had picture display set off, (View-Options-Pictures) but occasionally we needed to reference something within a diagram, so we cheated. Ctrl-Double click on it, opens the hidden graphic in an appropriate graphic app for a butchers. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 1 14:44:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EAm8V-0000K5-C9-0000KT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:44:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EAm8V-0000K5-C9; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:17:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EAm8V-0000K5-C9; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:17:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EAm8V-0000AV-J7; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:17:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EAm8H-0008Ce-EU; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:17:21 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EAm4B-0006Wo-5E for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:13:07 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EAm4A-0006Wh-NY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:13:06 +0100 Received: from b-180-24-209.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.209] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1EAm492JNT-0003Ft; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:13:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro - display individual pictures? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:13:58 +0200 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>Is it possible to display an individual picture when the View Options setting >>is to not display pictures? > > Not as far as I know. > > It would be a good feature. It would be even better if you could force the document's picture display option off when loading it. That would be a partial solution to the problem where loading a document with certain unresolved external references leads to an endless series of errors that can only be stopped by killing OP, which loses all unsaved work. You may remember my bug report many months ago. Maybe I did not make myself clear then, but I think this is a serious problem, and it is still there. To reiterate: If you load a document with an external picture reference pointing to an ADFS: disc with a name that differs from that of the current machine's hard disc (which is not too unusual if the document was created on a different machine), then you get an error box "Please insert disc xxx" each time OP tries to display the picture. If the picture frame is anywhere near the centre of the screen when the document opens (which unfortunately is always the case here) the error box is on top of the area where the picture should be, so when the box is removed by clicking on Cancel or OK, the error reappears immediately and the only way out is to kill OP. I just noticed one additional thing: If the referenced picture is a Drawfile or sprite, then OP minimizes the window to the top left corner of the screen after the error to avoid ending up in an endless loop and everything is fine (i.e., you regain control of the machine and can switch off the picture option). Unfortunately, this does not happen if the picture is an ArtWorks file, which is what I have been using in the file in question. Now I see why you did not think it was a problem back then - I did not mention it was about an ArtWorks file, and things are OK with other file types. So, could the mechanism to load referenced ArtWorks files be updated please? At the moment, the only way to load such a document is to load it in a text editor and modify the embedded file name (changing ADFS to XXXX does it because this avoids the "Insert disc" message), which is not for the faint-hearted. If you want to see the effect for yourself, simply embed an ArtWorks file by reference, save the file and edit the disc name stored in the file using a text editor before reloading. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 1 14:44:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EAms7-0001zo-JO-000201."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:44:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EAms7-0001zo-JO; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:04:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EAms7-0001zo-JO; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:04:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EAms6-0006xa-RO; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:04:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EAms3-0007t2-9e; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:04:39 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EAmqe-00081m-1p for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:03:12 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EAmqd-00081O-HE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:03:11 +0100 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050901110311.SGGO21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:03:11 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([82.28.141.231]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050901110310.HCC13593.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:03:10 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:53:22 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro - display individual pictures? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4da3685188dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Thu 01 Sep, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > >Is it possible to display an individual picture when the View Options > > >setting is to not display pictures? > > > Not as far as I know. > > > It would be a good feature. > > That would be a very useful option. > > We were re-working a document recently that contained a lot of > pictures/diagrams, we had picture display set off, (View-Options-Pictures) > but occasionally we needed to reference something within a diagram, so we > cheated. > > Ctrl-Double click on it, opens the hidden graphic in an appropriate > graphic app for a butchers. The document I was working on had a number of jpegs and I was re-sizing and positioning some. It would have been helpfull to have been able to reveal each in turn to check cropping without having to redraw the page of pictures. Dave's workaround wouldn't have helped this situation. I hoped that the Picture-Process-Hide Picture button might be usable to reverse the View-Options-Pictures setting for the selected picture - icing on the cake would be for the label to change according to the current state (Hide Picture/Show Picture). Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 2 13:55:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EB5VN-0005Di-Dh-0007nl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 13:55:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EB5VN-0005Di-Dh; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 12:12:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EB5VN-0005Di-Dh; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:58:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EB0aT-0001E5-4K; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 01:43:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EB0aQ-00010r-QF; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 02:43:22 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EB0YZ-0005uG-HI for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 02:41:27 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EB0YZ-0005u4-6h for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 02:41:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EB0TG-000Asp-5U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 01:35:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 02:39:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro - display individual pictures? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I just noticed one additional thing: If the referenced picture is a >Drawfile or sprite, then OP minimizes the window to the top left >corner of the screen after the error to avoid ending up in an endless >loop and everything is fine (i.e., you regain control of the machine >and can switch off the picture option). Unfortunately, this does not >happen if the picture is an ArtWorks file, which is what I have been I've uploaded Artworks applet version 1.10 to: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/aw.zip this fixes the problem. For AW files, I was not trapping the error when a file is not found on disc. Happy!? 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 2 15:25:05 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EBCKT-0002Hi-5A-0002J7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:25:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EBCKT-0002Hi-5A; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:15:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EBCKT-0002Hi-5A; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:15:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EBBFM-0002qK-Ii; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:06:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EB6mU-0003qB-4f; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:20:14 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EB6l7-0000HF-6W for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:18:49 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.186] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EB6l6-0000H8-KL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:18:48 +0100 Received: from b-180-24-176.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.176] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1EB6l43VAk-0001aF; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:18:46 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro - display individual pictures? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:19:08 +0200 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>I just noticed one additional thing: If the referenced picture is a >>Drawfile or sprite, then OP minimizes the window to the top left >>corner of the screen after the error to avoid ending up in an endless >>loop and everything is fine (i.e., you regain control of the machine >>and can switch off the picture option). Unfortunately, this does not >>happen if the picture is an ArtWorks file, which is what I have been > > I've uploaded Artworks applet version 1.10 to: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/aw.zip > > this fixes the problem. For AW files, I was not trapping the error when > a file is not found on disc. Wow, that was quick! > Happy!? Yes, many thanks! Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 17:15:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ED3Dg-0003On-IE-0003Pc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:15:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ED3Dg-0003On-IE; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:56:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ED3Dg-0003On-IE; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:56:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ED3Dg-0002qD-FB; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:56:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ED3De-0003fa-3w; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:56:18 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ED3Bg-0008ON-9P for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:54:16 +0100 Received: from [195.188.213.9] (helo=smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ED3Bf-0008OI-V8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:54:16 +0100 Received: from iyonixpc.workgroup ([82.32.7.157]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:55:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:54:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Maximum memory problem? Message-ID: <4da6c00a33jack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2005 16:55:04.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4C5DD80:01C5B3CC] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have a 240 page booksize OPro document with referenced pictures. The pictures are B&W, mainly small-size but with a few fullpage up to 2.5Mb each. The saved document with proxy pictures amounts to 38Mb, the directory containing hi-def pictures, 161Mb. I want to produce a PDF version of the book, via !Printers to produce a PS file then convert it with the latest RiScript version. I can produce a PDF file without pictures if I print from OPro with the No Pictures option ticked. However when printing with No Pictures unticked, the green progress bar gets to page 63 and then stops with 'Not enough Memory'. I have changed the iconbar menu>choices>picture choices> Picture cache max size to 250M. The computer is an Iyonix with 512M RAM. I have left Wimpslot in the OPro !Run file unchanged at 1648K. Are there better settings for OPro or whatever, or does OPro/Iyonix have a maximum memory problem? Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 17:15:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ED3a0-0004GO-6h-0004Gx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:15:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ED3a0-0004GO-6h; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:19:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ED3a0-0004GO-6h; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:19:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ED3Zz-00018x-Tu; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:19:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ED3Zy-0000CP-9d; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:19:22 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ED3Xw-00020s-68 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:17:16 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ED3Xv-00020m-I6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:17:15 +0100 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ED3Sn-000BZG-H6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:11:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:20:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Maximum memory problem? Message-ID: <4da6c27db3charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4da6c00a33jack@ljsevans.co.uk> References: <4da6c00a33jack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4da6c00a33jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans wrote: > I have a 240 page booksize OPro document with referenced pictures. The > pictures are B&W, mainly small-size but with a few fullpage up to 2.5Mb > each. > The saved document with proxy pictures amounts to 38Mb, the directory > containing hi-def pictures, 161Mb. > I want to produce a PDF version of the book, via !Printers to produce a > PS file then convert it with the latest RiScript version. > I can produce a PDF file without pictures if I print from OPro with the > No Pictures option ticked. > > However when printing with No Pictures unticked, the green progress bar > gets to page 63 and then stops with 'Not enough Memory'. I have changed > the iconbar menu>choices>picture choices> Picture cache max size to 250M. A soluton I used to use on my Risc PC was to load the document, delete half the pages and print them.. Then reload, delete the other pages and print the remainder. If your is failing after page 63, you might have to do this 4 times with 60 pages in each set. -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 17:15:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ED59J-0003er-Hh-0003fJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:15:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ED59J-0003er-Hh; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:59:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ED59J-0003er-Hh; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:59:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ED59J-0001pB-B4; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:59:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ED59H-0006jd-JA; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:59:55 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ED57x-0006Dx-0X for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:58:33 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ED57w-0006Ds-My for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:58:32 +0100 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050907185828.IAIC23002.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:58:28 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([82.28.141.231]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050907185828.DNRX22966.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:58:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:33:18 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Maximum memory problem? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4da6c27db3charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Wed 07 Sep, charles wrote: > In article <4da6c00a33jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, > Jack Evans wrote: > > I have a 240 page booksize OPro document with referenced pictures. The > > pictures are B&W, mainly small-size but with a few fullpage up to 2.5Mb > > each. > > > The saved document with proxy pictures amounts to 38Mb, the directory > > containing hi-def pictures, 161Mb. > > > I want to produce a PDF version of the book, via !Printers to produce a > > PS file then convert it with the latest RiScript version. > > > I can produce a PDF file without pictures if I print from OPro with the > > No Pictures option ticked. > > > > However when printing with No Pictures unticked, the green progress bar > > gets to page 63 and then stops with 'Not enough Memory'. I have changed > > the iconbar menu>choices>picture choices> Picture cache max size to 250M. > > A soluton I used to use on my Risc PC was to load the document, delete half > the pages and print them.. Then reload, delete the other pages and print > the remainder. If your is failing after page 63, you might have to do this > 4 times with 60 pages in each set. If you have to resort to printing sections you could probably simply set te range in the print dialogue box. And as you are printing to a PS file you could set it to Append to get the whole printed document in one PS file Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 17:15:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ED9pb-0000JD-Eo-0000Jb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:15:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ED9pb-0000JD-Eo; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 23:59:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ED9pb-0000JD-Eo; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 23:59:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ED9pb-0000je-EH; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 23:59:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ED9pZ-0003KD-K7; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 00:59:53 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ED9nw-0006Mk-0n for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 00:58:12 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ED9nv-0006Md-L4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 00:58:11 +0100 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ED9im-0004B1-Iz for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 23:52:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 00:51:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Maximum memory problem? Message-ID: <4da6e63d97charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4da6c27db3charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 07 Sep, charles wrote: > > A solution I used to use on my Risc PC was to load the document, delete > > half the pages and print them.. Then reload, delete the other pages and > > print the remainder. If your is failing after page 63, you might have > > to do this 4 times with 60 pages in each set. > > If you have to resort to printing sections you could probably simply set > te range in the print dialogue box. And as you are printing to a PS file > you could set it to Append to get the whole printed document in one PS > file that way wouldn't release any memory. Didn't work for me. -- >From KT24 - south west of London & east of Guildford. Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 17:16:08 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EDH2R-0002ml-IT-0002nH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:16:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EDH2R-0002ml-IT; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:41:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EDH2R-0002ml-IT; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:41:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EDH2R-0006g7-Hi; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:41:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EDH2P-00060T-NP; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:41:37 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EDH13-0008VP-Px for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:40:13 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EDH13-0008VK-8l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:40:13 +0100 Received: from b-180-24-210.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.210] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1EDH0w2zFk-00032R; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:40:06 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Maximum memory problem? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:40:03 +0200 Message-ID: <772411a74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4da6c27db3charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4da6e63d97charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4da6e63d97charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4da6e63d97charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article , > Anthony Hilton wrote: >> In on Wed 07 Sep, charles wrote: > >> > A solution I used to use on my Risc PC was to load the document, delete >> > half the pages and print them.. Then reload, delete the other pages and >> > print the remainder. If your is failing after page 63, you might have >> > to do this 4 times with 60 pages in each set. >> >> If you have to resort to printing sections you could probably simply set >> te range in the print dialogue box. And as you are printing to a PS file >> you could set it to Append to get the whole printed document in one PS >> file > > that way wouldn't release any memory. Didn't work for me. Not surprising. Since the pages are done one after another, it should not take more memory to print 100 pages than to print 1 page. The delimiting factor is the amount of memory required to print the most expensive object on any of the pages. For instance, you may have colour processing applied to one of the bitmaps, which might require it to be expanded to full 24bit colour. What is the largest bitmap in the document? Large in the sense of dimensions (pixels), not filesize. Can you print page 63 (and the surrounding pages) on its own? If not, can you print the offending bitmap on this page if you put it into Draw? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 17:16:09 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EDHdB-00049z-Gh-0004AZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:16:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EDHdB-00049z-Gh; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:19:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EDHdB-00049z-Gh; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:19:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EDHdB-0000aG-1D; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:19:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EDHd9-0005pd-8l; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:19:35 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EDHbo-0004Yz-18 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:18:12 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EDHbn-0004Yt-Kn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:18:11 +0100 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EDHbn-000FwE-Ju for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:18:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:05:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Maximum memory problem? Message-ID: <4da7137a30charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <772411a74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4da6c27db3charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4da6e63d97charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <772411a74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <772411a74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > Not surprising. Since the pages are done one after another, it should > not take more memory to print 100 pages than to print 1 page. [Snip] this is only for general information. When I print, the "printing" box stays in the window until all pages are dealt with and only then sends data to my printer. Where is the data involved stored? Is there a virtual memory created on disc or is it all in RAM? -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 17:16:10 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EDIBg-0001u2-3V-0001uc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:16:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EDIBg-0001u2-3V; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:55:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EDIBg-0001u2-3V; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:55:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EDIBf-0003GJ-Th; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:55:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EDIBd-0007Rz-Qe; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:55:13 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EDI9m-0001yp-Ie for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:53:18 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.183] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EDI9l-0001yh-Ux for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:53:18 +0100 Received: from b-180-24-246.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.246] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1EDI9k1b8r-0007hA; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:53:16 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Maximum memory problem? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:37:39 +0200 Message-ID: <9b6a16a74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4da6c27db3charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4da6e63d97charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <772411a74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4da7137a30charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4da7137a30charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4da7137a30charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article <772411a74d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> >> Not surprising. Since the pages are done one after another, it should >> not take more memory to print 100 pages than to print 1 page. > > [Snip] > > this is only for general information. When I print, the "printing" box > stays in the window until all pages are dealt with and only then sends data > to my printer. Where is the data involved stored? Is there a virtual > memory created on disc or is it all in RAM? There would be no point in storing the output in RAM. Where the data is stored really depends on your printing setup. The standard printing setup does not store the data, it sends it directly to the printer, which can slow down printing because the computer can often generate the data much more quickly than the printer can swallow it. If you use TurboDrivers or print via the network or if you have a print spooler set up (e.g., PrintSpool or FastSpool[+]), then the data is stored somewhere on your hard disc and only sent to the printer once printing is complete. The Connections window of your printer driver shows you where the data is going. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 17:16:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EDuJ6-0006gy-IS-0006hS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:16:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EDuJ6-0006gy-IS; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:37:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EDuJ6-0006gy-IS; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:37:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EDuJ6-0000n8-Io; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:37:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EDuJ2-0006nE-22; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:37:24 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EDuH0-0001FW-GD for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:35:18 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EDuH0-0001FQ-83 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:35:18 +0100 Received: from 212-229-247-57.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.247.57] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EDuBm-0001nz-IH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:29:55 +0000 Message-ID: <003c01c5b5a8$47e859b0$39f7e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <4da6c00a33jack@ljsevans.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Maximum memory problem? Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:27:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, > However when printing with No Pictures unticked, the green progress bar > gets to page 63 and then stops with 'Not enough Memory'. I have changed > the iconbar menu>choices>picture choices> Picture cache max size to 250M. The picture cache needs to be bigger than the largest image, pushing it too far might do more harm than good. I believe printer choices in OP offers "print memory" increasing the size of that may help. However there have been bugs which produce the not enough memory error erroneously - ensure you are using the latest version of OP (2.75). I'd be inclined to try printing just the problem page - which might be 63 or around it. It may be possible to work out just which image is causing the problem. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 17:16:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EE751-0004Bj-MW-0004CA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:16:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EE751-0004Bj-MW; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:15:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EE751-0004Bj-MW; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:15:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EE751-00027l-Qo; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:15:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EE74z-0001ku-Nw; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:15:45 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EE73K-0001tk-Vp for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:14:02 +0100 Received: from [195.188.213.5] (helo=smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EE73K-0001td-OI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:14:02 +0100 Received: from iyonixpc.workgroup ([82.32.7.157]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:14:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:02:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Maximum memory problem? Message-ID: <4da841537cjack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <003c01c5b5a8$47e859b0$39f7e5d4@mypc> References: <4da6c00a33jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <003c01c5b5a8$47e859b0$39f7e5d4@mypc> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2005 15:14:51.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[640807E0:01C5B61A] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <003c01c5b5a8$47e859b0$39f7e5d4@mypc>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > However when printing with No Pictures unticked, the green progress > > bar gets to page 63 and then stops with 'Not enough Memory'. I have > > changed the iconbar menu>choices>picture choices> Picture cache max > > size to 250M. > The picture cache needs to be bigger than the largest image, pushing > it too far might do more harm than good. The largest image is 2,875k so I have set the Picture cache to 3.5M. In reply to Martin this picture is 2244 x 1515 pixels in size and 8bpp, 300dpi. > I believe printer choices in OP offers "print memory" increasing the > size of that may help. I've set this to 350M - what do I have to match, the likely size of the PS file being created? > However there have been bugs which produce the not enough memory error > erroneously - ensure you are using the latest version of OP (2.75). Yes indeed. > I'd be inclined to try printing just the problem page - which might be > 63 or around it. It may be possible to work out just which image is > causing the problem. Since my original report I have identified one significant problem and that is that some of the original picture filenames were longer than 8 chars and in the process of transferring to the CD from which I have taken them, had been truncated. Consequently they didn't match up with the referenced names in the OP document. I have put this right in the HD directory where they now reside. Now printing-to-PS I can get past the page where the breakdown was occuring but it now cuts out at page 75 with 'not enough memory'. However I can print out pp 65-80 to PS and get a valid 31M PDF file from it. OPro has been very fragile in the process of getting to this point, with type 5 errors and the screen display switching to system font. To achieve the limited success so far, I have printed immediately after booting the machine, an Iyonix with all upgrades and 512M RAM. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 17:16:38 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EExlu-4Et000-04-1UiH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:16:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EExlu-4Et000-04-1UiH; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:31:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EExlu-4Et000-04; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:31:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EExlu-0001To-Km; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:31:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EExln-0001uC-1t; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:31:27 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EExjo-0006EX-AH for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:29:24 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EExjo-0006ES-2p for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:29:24 +0100 Received: from 212-229-245-230.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.245.230] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EExeZ-0009I9-I1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:24:00 +0000 Message-ID: <004b01c5b7f2$35a52070$e6f5e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <4da6c00a33jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <003c01c5b5a8$47e859b0$39f7e5d4@mypc> <4da841537cjack@ljsevans.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Maximum memory problem? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:27:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > The largest image is 2,875k so I have set the Picture cache to 3.5M. In and > I've set this to 350M - what do I have to match, the likely size of the > PS file being created? Moderation in all things. How about a picture cache of 30MB and a print memory size of 10MB - set against the 512MB in your machine. The print memory is workspace for OP. The problem it is trying to get around is that RISC OS may grab every byte of spare memory in the machine before printing starts - more likely on 4MB machines running RISC OS 2 or whatever. Print memory is some memory that OP grabs before trying to start printing. I doubt that your PS file is going to reside anywhere in one chunk of memory. In fact PS should cause less memory management problems than other printer types. But the kind of problem you may encounter is one where memory is consumed for each page (i.e. used and not free'd). > that is that some of the original picture filenames were longer than 8 > chars and in the process of transferring to the CD from which I have > Now printing-to-PS I can get past the page where the breakdown was > occuring Interesting that the memory error does not tie up with a problem with file names. However any referenced images which were not accesible should have been detectable by scrolling through the document (with proxies turned off). (idea turn off proxies (view options) and see if you can scroll through the doc). > OPro has been very fragile in the process of getting to this point, with > type 5 errors and the screen display switching to system font. To achieve > the limited success so far, I have printed immediately after booting the > machine, an Iyonix with all upgrades and 512M RAM. Hard to say. It could easily be a bug in OP - it could just as well be a problem with RISC OS. Can be problems with the document - obviously corruption, but also things like fonts or images. More information needed... You might try printing on the Windows version. I guess you may not have Windows versions of the fonts, even so it might flush out some more information on what is going wrong. Another thing, save your document as DDL and then reload that. Don't use this as your new working version, just see if it causes less trouble when printed, You could also try embedding all the referenced images, presumably the document would still fit in memory. I think there is a command that embeds all images at once (picture reference window). David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 17:16:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EFDTK-0007Oj-68-0007Pf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:16:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EFDTK-0007Oj-68; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:17:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFDTK-0007Oj-68; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:17:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFDTK-0003C4-N5; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:17:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EFDTG-0003nf-P0; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:17:22 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EFDR4-00013T-PV for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:15:06 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFDR2-00013B-II for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:15:04 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl213-218-230-84.as15444.net [213.218.230.84]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j8DGExQj021964 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:14:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro; divide by zero on printing. To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:14:58 +0100 Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.059, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Odd, this one. OPro 2.74, RO 5.09, Epson Stylus Color via a USB-parallel lead. I edited a file, almost as simple as they get, a compliments slip, saved it and tried to print. I got "Error, divide by zero", and the error message wouldn't clear with "OK" and I had to resort to alt-break. Saving it as DDL (seems to be the all-purpose emergency procedure!) and saving it again as an OPro file allowed it to print. What was going on here, I wonder? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 20:25:33 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EFcn2-2rVGPo-05-16kB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:25:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EFcn2-2rVGPo-05-16kB; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:19:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EFcn2-2rVGPo-05; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:19:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFcn2-00053V-C1; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:19:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EFcmy-00047B-G0; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:19:24 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EFckd-0003qI-47 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:16:59 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFckc-0003qC-Rn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:16:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EFcfM-0006Xu-Ix for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:11:33 +0000 Message-ID: <040$CZDGbHKDFwyJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:15:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro; divide by zero on printing. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I edited a file, almost as simple as they get, a compliments slip, >saved it and tried to print. I got "Error, divide by zero", and the >error message wouldn't clear with "OK" and I had to resort to >alt-break. > >Saving it as DDL (seems to be the all-purpose emergency procedure!) >and saving it again as an OPro file allowed it to print. One thought is that save as DDL, reload, resets things like print settings. So the original problem could be that you had a print scale of zero (or something like that). If you have the original document I would be interested to see it, obviously all situations where zero can lead to a crash should be trapped. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 14 22:15:40 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EFeVS-0007Pr-8R-0007QP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:15:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EFeVS-0007Pr-8R; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:09:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFeVS-0007Pr-8R; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:09:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFeVS-0001Zs-DU; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:09:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EFeVR-0003zd-40; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:09:25 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EFeTc-0000bl-Iw for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:07:32 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFeTc-0000bg-8o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:07:32 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl213-218-230-84.as15444.net [213.218.230.84]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j8EL7S5D027707 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:07:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro; divide by zero on printing. To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:07:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <040$CZDGbHKDFwyJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <040$CZDGbHKDFwyJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.059, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 14 Sep 2005 David Pilling wrote: >>I edited a file, almost as simple as they get, a compliments slip, >>saved it and tried to print. I got "Error, divide by zero", and the >>error message wouldn't clear with "OK" and I had to resort to >>alt-break. >> >>Saving it as DDL (seems to be the all-purpose emergency procedure!) >>and saving it again as an OPro file allowed it to print. > > One thought is that save as DDL, reload, resets things like print > settings. So the original problem could be that you had a print scale of > zero (or something like that). > > If you have the original document I would be interested to see it, > obviously all situations where zero can lead to a crash should be > trapped. Thanks; I'll send it tomorrow when I have a bit more time; it'll need restoring from a backup, as I threw it our ruthlessly when it misbehaved. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 15 14:38:02 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EFtuE-0006Dr-RJ-0006EK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:38:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EFtuE-0006Dr-RJ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:36:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFtuE-0006Dr-RJ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:36:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFtuE-0003Mp-A4; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:36:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EFtuB-0001K0-SA; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:35:59 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EFtmK-00058M-LY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:27:52 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFtmK-000583-87 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:27:52 +0100 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050915132747.WTXL21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:27:47 +0100 Received: from Office ([81.101.19.144]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050915132747.GWYH18235.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:27:47 +0100 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: "'List PillingSoftware'" Subject: [softwarelist] Problem with text in a shape Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:27:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcW5+Tp4XqtpQrTSSyusETBrYDn4ZQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050915132747.GWYH18235.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have created a text shape of a rectangle with one curved side - convexed. I started with a cirlce, converted it to a four sided polygon and then using the path edit tool I changed three of the control points to straight lines. When I enter the text I get a large horizontal gap between the lines at the centre of the frame. Altering the text size sometimes corrects the fault but making an adjustment to the frame size re-establishes the gap. The problem only occurs when the curved side of the shape is east or west; with the curved edge north or south there is no problem. I've tried entering the text in the circle before converting it but the same result occurs. The same problem is present in both the Acorn and PC versions. I realise this is fairly obscure but its causing me some grief just now. Jeff Wallis -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.25/102 - Release Date: 14/09/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 15 14:57:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EFu7K-0004Dh-5H-0004E6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:57:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EFu7K-0004Dh-5H; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:49:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFu7K-0004Dh-5H; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:49:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFu7K-0005de-Fw; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:49:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EFu7I-0003y8-9p; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:49:32 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EFu5k-0008NQ-3W for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:47:56 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFu5j-0008NI-OE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:47:55 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EFu5j-000PA7-K3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:47:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:46:31 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with text in a shape References: <20050915132747.GWYH18235.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> In-Reply-To: <20050915132747.GWYH18235.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have created a text shape of a rectangle with one curved side - convexed. >I started with a cirlce, converted it to a four sided polygon and then using >the path edit tool I changed three of the control points to straight lines. The code which works out where to flow text does sometimes get things wrong. Often you can fix this by making minute changes to the positions of points - i.e. changes which are not visible but which remove what is causing the trouble - for example points lining up. That's my guess as to what your problem is. I have a (long term...) plan to fix the above bug. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 15 15:57:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EFv4T-00077Q-Jd-00078A."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:57:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EFv4T-00077Q-Jd; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:50:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFv4T-00077Q-Jd; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:50:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFv4S-0006wL-R5; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:50:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EFv4R-0002rZ-Bo; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:50:39 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EFui5-0005hA-HP for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:27:33 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFui5-0005gp-2F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:27:33 +0100 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050915142732.QDTS10357.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:27:32 +0100 Received: from Office ([81.101.19.144]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050915142732.YXSH22901.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:27:32 +0100 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Problem with text in a shape Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:27:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcW5/PJssbEE0NeMQNW8AedQqcB89wABFSmw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050915142732.YXSH22901.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,IN_REP_TO, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: 15 September 2005 14:47 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with text in a shape >I have created a text shape of a rectangle with one curved side - convexed. >I started with a cirlce, converted it to a four sided polygon and then >using the path edit tool I changed three of the control points to straight lines. The code which works out where to flow text does sometimes get things wrong. Often you can fix this by making minute changes to the positions of points - i.e. changes which are not visible but which remove what is causing the trouble - for example points lining up. That's my guess as to what your problem is. I have a (long term...) plan to fix the above bug. -- David Pilling Thanks very much - shifting one of the control points by a gnats kneecap seems to have solved the problem. Are you by any chance making an attempt on the world speed record for replying to an enquiry? Jeff Wallis -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.25/102 - Release Date: 14/09/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 15 16:27:53 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EFvYY-0001PO-5A-0001Pr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:27:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EFvYY-0001PO-5A; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:21:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFvYY-0001PO-5A; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:21:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFvYY-00058r-EY; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:21:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EFvYX-0004Dz-EZ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:21:45 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EFvVO-0006iL-Cj for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:18:30 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFvVO-0006iF-3S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:18:30 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl213-218-230-84.as15444.net [213.218.230.84]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j8FFIRLj031023 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:18:27 +0100 Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Problem with text in a shape To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:17:16 +0100 Message-ID: <97dad5aa4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <20050915142732.YXSH22901.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> In-Reply-To: <20050915142732.YXSH22901.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Office> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.059, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 15 Sep 2005 "Jeff Wallis" wrote: [snip] > > Are you by any chance making an attempt on the world speed record for > replying to an enquiry? He broke that record many decades ago :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 15 19:18:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EFyFc-3IMVbs-03-1RuB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:18:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EFyFc-3IMVbs-03-1RuB; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:14:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EFyFc-3IMVbs-03; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:14:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFyFc-0005Kb-C6; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:14:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EFyFZ-0006l2-JP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:14:21 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EFx3d-0005j7-EV for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:57:57 +0100 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFx3d-0005j1-1s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:57:57 +0100 Received: from RiscPC (i-195-137-41-33.freedom2surf.net [195.137.41.33]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j8FGvuch000772 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:57:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:56:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Lock object not found Message-ID: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="4daadede24+uqRxLVK1IK1igNky/u68k" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a MIME encapsulated message. --4daadede24+uqRxLVK1IK1igNky/u68k Content-Type: text/plain I've got a label template which I'm trying to modify, but it keeps aborting Ovation Pro 2.75. So, in time honoured fashion, I saved it out as a DDLFile. Unfortunately, when I click on the DDLFile to load it into OP, I get the error message 'Lock object not found'. The same happens when I save it as a stylesheet. Any ideas please? It's only a small file, so I've attached it to this email. 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id 1EFzDv-000717-F5; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:16:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFzDv-000717-F5; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:16:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFzDv-00011C-HL; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:16:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EFzDu-0000q8-Db; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:16:42 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EFzCY-0006Mn-CD for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:15:18 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFzCY-0006Mi-4J for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:15:18 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EFz6z-000F7t-3l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:09:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:14:09 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Lock object not found References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've got a label template which I'm trying to modify, but it keeps >aborting Ovation Pro 2.75. >So, in time honoured fashion, I saved it out as a DDLFile. Unfortunately, >when I click on the DDLFile to load it into OP, I get the error message >'Lock object not found'. Thanks for the file. I will investigate - I can see it makes OPW crash, which is wrong. "Lock object not found" means that a document is attempting to reference an object that does not exist. Anyway the point is that once things have gone this badly wrong, there is no guarantee that the DDL will be valid. I've done some work in recent months on checking the validity of documents - a bit like the DDL save + load but without those steps. As a result I've fixed some bugs. I could now offer buttons - "check for corruption" and "fix". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 15 20:18:05 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EFzEZ-0005bR-Mz-0005bi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:18:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EFzEZ-0005bR-Mz; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:17:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFzEZ-0005bR-Mz; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:17:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EFzEY-0006DC-Vd; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:17:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EFzEW-00020F-Mr; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:17:20 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EFzDC-0006Ps-PL for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:15:58 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFzDC-0006Pn-M5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:15:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EFzDC-000JIa-0x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:15:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:14:56 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Lock object not found References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 15 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > I've got a label template which I'm trying to modify, but it keeps > aborting Ovation Pro 2.75. > > So, in time honoured fashion, I saved it out as a DDLFile. > Unfortunately, when I click on the DDLFile to load it into OP, I get > the error message 'Lock object not found'. > [snip] It gives a different error here - Bad Page number. Initially, the document loads, but trying to change the size to actually view it just repeats the error. It doesn't cause OP to crash here. RO 5.09 / OP 2.75 -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Somebody rearranged all the furniture in my bedroom. They put it in *exactly* the same place it was. When I told my roommate, he said, "Do I know you?" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 16 13:54:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGBgu-2VX000-07-otL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:54:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGBgu-2VX000-07-otL; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:35:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EGBgu-2VX000-07; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:35:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGBgu-0004Rt-88; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:35:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGBgs-0007Y0-3M; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:35:26 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGBf5-0004tf-Js for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:33:35 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGBf5-0004tV-5i for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:33:35 +0100 Received: from 213.130.142.126 (du213-130-142-126.as15444.net [213.130.142.126]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j8G8XQRH028336 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:33:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:16:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Lock object not found Message-ID: <4dab3328fcrichto@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.581, required 5, autolearn=disabled, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.53) X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamScore: 1 X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > On 15 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > I've got a label template which I'm trying to modify, but it keeps > > aborting Ovation Pro 2.75. > > > > So, in time honoured fashion, I saved it out as a DDLFile. > > Unfortunately, when I click on the DDLFile to load it into OP, I get > > the error message 'Lock object not found'. > > > [snip] > It gives a different error here - Bad Page number. Initially, the > document loads, but trying to change the size to actually view it just > repeats the error. It doesn't cause OP to crash here. > RO 5.09 / OP 2.75 And here it gives yet another error (but no crash): "Unknown object creator at 50" (OvPro v2.67; RO 3.7) Is the (I assume) line number helpful? -- Richard Travers richto@argonet.co.uk Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 16 14:24:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGGCR-3DFknw-06-1ITs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:24:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGGCR-3DFknw-06-1ITs; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:24:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EGGCR-3DFknw-06; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:24:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGGCR-0000c9-P4; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:24:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGGCQ-0002Kv-18; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:24:18 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGG9p-0005vJ-5u for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:21:37 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGG9o-0005v4-SR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:21:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EGG42-000IUZ-JC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:15:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:19:31 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Lock object not found References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Ray Dawson In article , David Pilling wrote: > >So, in time honoured fashion, I saved it out as a DDLFile. > >Unfortunately, when I click on the DDLFile to load it into OP, I get > >the error message 'Lock object not found'. > Thanks for the file. I will investigate - I can see it makes OPW crash, > which is wrong. > "Lock object not found" means that a document is attempting to > reference an object that does not exist. OK, I went back to the default document and tried to recreate what I want - a label template for 8 labels, with text flowing from the 1st frame to the 2nd etc. This is not derived from the first example I posted, but a fresh document by clicking on New from the menu bar. I created a new master frame of the relevant size and shape in the top left corner of the page. I opened the document master page (Ctrl-E) I then duplicated the frame three times vertically to give the left hand column of frames. I then duplicated the left column of four frames to make the right hand column. I then put the cursor in the top left and, using the link tool, linked from top left to top right to next left to next right etc, going down the sheet. I then clicked on the select tool again and put the cursor in the top left frame. Cleared the master page and went back to the document and the cursor is in the top RIGHT frame! The document saved as Labl OK. I then saved it as a stylesheet StyleS - which gives the Lock object not found error! It also puts closed up window furniture at the top left of screen which produces further lock object errors as I try and drag it open. Attached are the doc file and the stylesheet file. Cheers, Ray D -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 16 16:54:53 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGITA-0004YX-4u-0004Yo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:54:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGITA-0004YX-4u; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:49:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGITA-0004YX-4u; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:49:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGITA-0000Ko-BU; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:49:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGIT6-0000zv-M5; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:49:40 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGIR3-0002hr-95 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:47:33 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGIR2-0002hf-Vj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:47:33 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EGIQy-0006lv-CF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:47:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:47:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Row of blank pixels inside borders Message-ID: <4dab5c72f1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I regularly use OPro to print digital photos with captions. On many of the images I use a black border of 0.5pt. When printed there is often a row of white pixels between the image and the borders on two or three sides. This occurs even when the image is slightly oversize for the frame ( i.e. both x and y origins are showing a small negative value of 0.5 - 1 mm ). The only way I have found to eliminate this effect is to make the background colour of the frame the same colour as the border. Am I the only one to notice this effect? - not major, but it is a niggle (rounding errors perhaps). -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 16 17:34:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGJ1X-1wdVbs-05-1Fem."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:34:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGJ1X-1wdVbs-05-1Fem; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:25:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EGJ1X-1wdVbs-05; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:25:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGJ1X-0006UM-Oj; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:25:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGJ1W-0001Mx-Dy; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:25:14 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGIzZ-0007bD-ME for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:23:13 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGIzZ-0007b7-Fq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:23:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EGIzZ-000GSG-DT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:23:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:21:52 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Row of blank pixels inside borders References: <4dab5c72f1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4dab5c72f1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The only way I have found to eliminate this effect is to make the >background colour of the frame the same colour as the border. > >Am I the only one to notice this effect? - not major, but it is a >niggle (rounding errors perhaps). Hmm. you won't be the only one... I'm surprised in a way because this has come up before and I have memories (false ones perhaps) of fixing it. I definitely recall fixing it for PostScript output - so PS printing and other printing will behave differently. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 16 17:34:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGJ23-0003E6-Cj-0003EP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:34:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGJ23-0003E6-Cj; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:25:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGJ23-0003E6-Cj; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:25:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGJ23-0000RK-Pb; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:25:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGJ1X-0007LH-LC; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:25:16 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGIyF-0007Su-RI for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:21:51 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGIyF-0007So-IE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:21:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EGIyF-000GF5-Da for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:21:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:20:28 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Lock object not found References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Attached are the doc file and the stylesheet file. >Ray D Thanks for that. I will investigate and fix it. A couple of general points. I seem to release a new version of OP (for RISC OS) around this time of year. I expect I will do the same again this year. As you'll see your posting to the list bounced (because the attachment made it trigger a filter) and I re-posted it. In the last few weeks my mail list admin. account has been flooded with spam. I've no idea why there should be a sudden upturn. The point is I can't promise to see bounced emails to the list anymore. Perhaps the spam will abate, perhaps I'll work out how to filter it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 16 17:34:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGJ2A-29sVbs-04-hY5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:34:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGJ2A-29sVbs-04-hY5; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:25:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EGJ2A-29sVbs-04; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:25:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGJ2A-00033H-0J; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:25:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGJ1X-0007me-CV; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:25:15 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGIzC-0007Z0-C2 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:22:50 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.133] (helo=pih-relay06.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGIzC-0007Yv-7z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:22:50 +0100 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EGIzB-0005SW-5B for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:22:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Row of blank pixels inside borders To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:25:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4dab5c72f1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4dab5c72f1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4dab5c72f1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > I regularly use OPro to print digital photos with captions. On many > of the images I use a black border of 0.5pt. When printed there is > often a row of white pixels between the image and the borders on two > or three sides. This occurs even when the image is slightly oversize > for the frame ( i.e. both x and y origins are showing a small > negative value of 0.5 - 1 mm ). > > The only way I have found to eliminate this effect is to make the > background colour of the frame the same colour as the border. > > Am I the only one to notice this effect? - not major, but it is a > niggle (rounding errors perhaps). I have noticed the same thing but haven't got round to reporting it yet! -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 16 18:24:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGJwU-0002sf-M3-0002sz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:24:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGJwU-0002sf-M3; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:24:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGJwU-0002sf-M3; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:24:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGJwU-0002WW-MS; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:24:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGJwT-0002ST-9k; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:24:05 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGJv6-0007IR-T3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:22:40 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGJv6-0007IJ-Jt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:22:40 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EGJv1-0003zp-V9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:22:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:22:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Row of blank pixels inside borders Message-ID: <4dab651d0bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4dab5c72f1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >The only way I have found to eliminate this effect is to make the > >background colour of the frame the same colour as the border. > > > >Am I the only one to notice this effect? - not major, but it is a > >niggle (rounding errors perhaps). > Hmm. you won't be the only one... I'm surprised in a way because > this has come up before and I have memories (false ones perhaps) > of fixing it. I definitely recall fixing it for PostScript output > - so PS printing and other printing will behave differently. Yes, I am using inkjet. At least I am not imagining it then :) Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 16 20:24:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGLm6-0006ao-Nd-0006bA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:24:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGLm6-0006ao-Nd; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:21:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGLm6-0006ao-Nd; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:21:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGLm6-0002Du-5W; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:21:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGLm3-0002V4-U9; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:21:27 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGLk4-0005Wo-Ax for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:19:24 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGLk3-0005WV-Sc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:19:23 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EGLk3-000LsC-K8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:19:23 +0000 Message-ID: <+fZNb6EzpxKDFwQi@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:18:11 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Row of blank pixels inside borders References: <4dab5c72f1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4dab651d0bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4dab651d0bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Yes, I am using inkjet. At least I am not imagining it then :) Second thoughts. A picture frame has three curves, the frame border, a curve that clips the picture and a curve that repels text. Anyway you could edit the clipping (inset) curve. I think you'll have to change the object to a polygon. That raises another point, the situation of a rectangular frame is different to an irregular one - different code is used. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 16 23:05:05 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGOD7-0000l2-QA-0000lN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:05:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGOD7-0000l2-QA; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:57:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGOD7-0000l2-QA; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:57:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGOD6-0000Vd-TX; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:57:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGOD5-0006lr-QI; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:57:31 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGOBl-0006LI-7s for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:56:09 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGOBl-0006LB-3N for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:56:09 +0100 Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EGOBk-00078M-Eh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:56:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Row of blank pixels inside borders To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:44:28 +0100 Message-ID: <92237dab4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <4dab5c72f1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <4dab5c72f1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> > Chris Johnson wrote: > >> I regularly use OPro to print digital photos with captions. On many >> of the images I use a black border of 0.5pt. When printed there is >> often a row of white pixels between the image and the borders on two >> or three sides. This occurs even when the image is slightly oversize >> for the frame ( i.e. both x and y origins are showing a small >> negative value of 0.5 - 1 mm ). >> >> The only way I have found to eliminate this effect is to make the >> background colour of the frame the same colour as the border. >> >> Am I the only one to notice this effect? - not major, but it is a >> niggle (rounding errors perhaps). > > I have noticed the same thing but haven't got round to reporting it > yet! Yep - I notice it often, too. JR. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 21 17:00:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGvAg-0005qz-Ec-0005rM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:00:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGvAg-0005qz-Ec; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:09:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGvAg-0005qz-Ec; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:09:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGvAg-0006Me-Cn; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:09:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGvAc-0003Pk-Sj; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:09:10 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGv8J-0002f0-BT for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:06:47 +0100 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGv8J-0002es-2K for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:06:47 +0100 Received: from iyonix.marshall.abelgratis.net (i-83-67-85-66.freedom2surf.net [83.67.85.66]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j8I96kch023726 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:06:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Marshall X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:06:35 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Could someone please remind how I can get the SparkFS icon back on the icon bar. For some reason I have: // auto quit?, use dosmap?, icon barmode? 1,1,0 in my choices file and changing the 0 to a 1 does not appear to have any effect. Thanks, Alan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 21 17:00:35 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGvKu-0002iO-Bt-0002iZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:00:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGvKu-0002iO-Bt; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:19:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGvKu-0002iO-Bt; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:19:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGvKu-0000mm-Hj; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:19:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGvKs-00064S-MR; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:19:46 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGvIr-0003Fk-CS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:17:41 +0100 Received: from [195.188.213.6] (helo=smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGvIr-0003Ff-61 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:17:41 +0100 Received: from localhost.com.nom ([213.48.114.19]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:18:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:17:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS Message-ID: <4dac4060f8Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2005 09:18:30.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF610720:01C5BC31] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Alan Marshall wrote: > Could someone please remind how I can get the SparkFS icon back on the > icon bar. > For some reason I have: > // auto quit?, use dosmap?, icon barmode? > 1,1,0 Change it to 0,1,0 > in my choices file and changing the 0 to a 1 does not appear to have > any effect. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 21 17:00:37 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGvnL-0004bq-I8-0004cB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:00:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGvnL-0004bq-I8; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:49:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGvnL-0004bq-I8; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:49:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGvnL-00050g-Fc; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:49:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGvnK-0008Hc-EU; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:49:10 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGvlG-0007WK-Vd for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:47:02 +0100 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGvlG-0007WA-N0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:47:02 +0100 Received: from iyonix.marshall.abelgratis.net (i-83-67-85-66.freedom2surf.net [83.67.85.66]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j8I9l2ch030397 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:47:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Marshall X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:46:25 +0100 Message-ID: <631243ac4d.Alan@marshall.abelgratis.net> References: <4dac4060f8Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4dac4060f8Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4dac4060f8Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> Ian Hamilton wrote: > In article , Alan Marshall > wrote: >> Could someone please remind how I can get the SparkFS icon back on the >> icon bar. > >> For some reason I have: > >> // auto quit?, use dosmap?, icon barmode? > >> 1,1,0 > > Change it to 0,1,0 > >> in my choices file and changing the 0 to a 1 does not appear to have >> any effect. > > Ian > Ian, Thanks for the speedy and accurate reply. Now back in business. Regards, Alan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 21 17:00:38 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EGxVS-2pVVbs-05-jhN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:00:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EGxVS-2pVVbs-05-jhN; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:38:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EGxVS-2pVVbs-05; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:38:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EGxVS-0005wu-DT; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:38:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EGxVQ-0000fS-N9; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:38:48 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EGxTT-0005fp-5t for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:36:47 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGxTS-0005fi-UI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:36:46 +0100 Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([80.177.152.227] helo=panther) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EGxTS-000Opk-1h for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:36:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:33:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Clipboard, Multiframes, Save leads to freeze Message-ID: <4dac4cde12frank@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have examined my archives but not found any clues to what is happening on one particular document. Iyonix 5.09, OPro 2.73, simple A4 Portrait page sub-divided into 10 rectangular frames with no space between. Each frame contains a small rectangular frame in which is the same sprite file. The text is varied in font name, style and colour, all achieved using "Effects". (I know it's better practice to use "Styles", but this was quicker.) The page is simply 10 identical Compliments slips! I needed to change the text. I did this in the first frame. I then selected all (Shift/Ctrl/A on my OPro) and copied it to the clipboard by clicking on the relevant button. To keep an eye on what I was doing, I then opened the clipboard. In the next frame I selected all text as previously and then clicked on the relevant "paste from clipboard" button. I repeated this for all remaining frames, in natural sequence. When I pressed F3, up came the Save box, but pressing the Return key on the keyboard had no action and clicking on OK in the Save box produce the same lack of action. The machine was frozen and the first sequential action to recover the machine which worked was Alt/Break, allowing OPro to be closed. This sequence was repeatable until I carried out the copying action without the clipboard open. On a copy of this file, I did the same editing with the Clipboard open and the Save function hung immediately after editing the first adjacent frame. When I did the same style of editing (Clipboard open) but taking the frames out of sequence on the page (that is, not adjacent to the previous one edited) the Save function worked successfully. I know I am not using the latest version, but I see no reference in the "Changes274" and "Changes275" files to make me think that either of those versions would perform differently. Am I wrong? Anybody? File available by email. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyonix 5.09. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 21 17:00:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EHMIe-1Tvknw-03-1R6J."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:00:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EHMIe-1Tvknw-03-1R6J; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:07:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EHMIe-1Tvknw-03; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:07:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EHMIe-00054W-J8; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:07:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EHMIW-0005aD-Ph; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:07:08 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EHMGL-0005yO-LA for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:04:53 +0100 Received: from [194.158.229.43] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHMGL-0005y7-60 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:04:53 +0100 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.9.58) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.0.043) id 4320C541000AAE13 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:04:52 +0200 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:05:50 +0100 From: JMAH van Vredenburch To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Lock object not found Message-ID: <7e26e4ac4d.janvred@smile.ch> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > On 15 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > I've got a label template which I'm trying to modify, but it keeps > > aborting Ovation Pro 2.75. > > > > So, in time honoured fashion, I saved it out as a DDLFile. > > Unfortunately, when I click on the DDLFile to load it into OP, I get > > the error message 'Lock object not found'. > > > [snip] > > It gives a different error here - Bad Page number. Initially, the > document loads, but trying to change the size to actually view it just > repeats the error. It doesn't cause OP to crash here. > > RO 5.09 / OP 2.75 I have same set up, but with me it does not crash completely. The OP window closes down leaving only toolbar etc. open. This way I managed to open the Master page. It appears that all 8 (label?) frames are duplicated. One can select and move and resize these frames. CtrlK does not work, i.e. one cannot delete any frame. Was it not mentioned in the past that two frames on top of each other lead to a crash? Greetings, JMvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 21 17:01:04 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EHTub-3ATVbs-01-1Axq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:01:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EHTub-3ATVbs-01-1Axq; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:14:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EHTub-3ATVbs-01; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:14:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EHTub-0001Uz-45; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:14:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EHTuZ-0008Bm-8N; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:14:55 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EHTtE-0002CM-D2 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:13:32 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHTtE-0002CE-5L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:13:32 +0100 Received: from 212-229-244-227.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.244.227] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EHTtD-0008gD-E4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:13:31 +0000 Message-ID: <004001c5bd67$cdb17f10$e3f4e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:00:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Could someone please remind how I can get the SparkFS icon back on the > icon bar. ISTR if you hold down ALT when running SparkFS it does not obey the autoquit setting and you can then change choices. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 21 17:01:04 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EHTud-2qXVbs-04-1JUK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:01:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EHTud-2qXVbs-04-1JUK; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:15:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EHTud-2qXVbs-04; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:15:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EHTud-0000wh-OJ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:14:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EHTub-0008Ck-UZ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:14:57 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EHTtF-0002CV-8a for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:13:33 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHTtF-0002CQ-4n for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:13:33 +0100 Received: from 212-229-244-227.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.244.227] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EHTtE-0008gD-EV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:13:33 +0000 Message-ID: <004101c5bd67$ce5e12c0$e3f4e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <7e26e4ac4d.janvred@smile.ch> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Lock object not found Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:08:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > It gives a different error here - Bad Page number. Initially, the > > document loads, but trying to change the size to actually view it just > > repeats the error. It doesn't cause OP to crash here. I've now fixed the problem. > This way I managed to open the Master page. It appears that all 8 (label?) > frames are duplicated. One can select and move and resize these frames. > CtrlK does not work, i.e. one cannot delete any frame. That is because the frames are linked together. > Was it not mentioned in the past that two frames on top of each other lead > to a crash? Yes it has been mentioned. That is a known problem, but I don't think it has anything to do with the problem mentioned by Ray Dawson. BTW there has been a discussion on comp.sys.acorn about "lock object not found" the problem there is entirely different. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 21 17:01:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EHU2D-2vSVbs-05-12Ji."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:01:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EHU2D-2vSVbs-05-12Ji; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:22:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EHU2D-2vSVbs-05; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:22:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EHU2D-0004Vn-Cj; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:22:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EHU2A-0006Ig-RD; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:22:46 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EHU06-0002h7-4B for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:20:38 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHU06-0002h1-0P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:20:38 +0100 Received: from 212-229-244-227.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.244.227] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EHU05-0009pA-Dv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:20:37 +0000 Message-ID: <004601c5bd68$cb931670$e3f4e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <4dac4cde12frank@aaug.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Clipboard, Multiframes, Save leads to freeze Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:23:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I know I am not using the latest version, but I see no reference in > the "Changes274" and "Changes275" files to make me think that either > of those versions would perform differently. Am I wrong? Is there any reason to not upgrade? I'm not going to fix a bug in 2.73 which does not exist in 2.75 8-) Joking apart, not every bug fixed is mentioned in the changes file - bad but true. > File available by email. I think it would be best if you could email it to me privately. I can't begin to guess what is going on. Have you many applets installed - it might be one of those that does clever things with the clipboard? Just as likely to be a bug in OP. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 21 17:02:32 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EI3Mn-3xKVbs-04-1ZBG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:02:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EI3Mn-3xKVbs-04-1ZBG; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:06:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EI3Mn-3xKVbs-04; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:06:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EI3Mn-0001g4-4W; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:06:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EI3Mj-00072h-4c; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:06:21 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EI3Jn-0001Jx-2S for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:03:19 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EI3Jm-0001Jr-Lq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:03:18 +0100 Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([80.177.152.227] helo=panther) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EI3Jm-000Jla-AG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:03:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:03:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard, Multiframes, Save leads to freeze Message-ID: <4daddb1a44frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <004601c5bd68$cb931670$e3f4e5d4@mypc> References: <4dac4cde12frank@aaug.net> <004601c5bd68$cb931670$e3f4e5d4@mypc> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <004601c5bd68$cb931670$e3f4e5d4@mypc>, David Pilling wrote: > > I know I am not using the latest version, but I see no reference > > in the "Changes274" and "Changes275" files to make me think that > > either of those versions would perform differently. Am I wrong? > Is there any reason to not upgrade? I'm not going to fix a bug in > 2.73 which does not exist in 2.75 8-) No good reason. Laziness? Still happens with 2.75, but see below. > Joking apart, not every bug fixed is mentioned in the changes file > - bad but true. > > File available by email. > I think it would be best if you could email it to me privately. I > can't begin to guess what is going on. Have you many applets > installed - it might be one of those that does clever things with > the clipboard? Just as likely to be a bug in OP. Cleared most applets from 2.75. Problem gone away. Replacing applets one-by-one. Will let list know when I find the culprit(s). (8-)> > David Pilling Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyonix 5.09. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 22 14:17:56 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EIPcu-3nFknw-01-14Od."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:17:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EIPcu-3nFknw-01-14Od; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:52:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EIPcu-3nFknw-01; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:52:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EIPcu-0003Qk-7f; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:52:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EIOjj-00055a-Pn; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:55:31 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EIPH4-00006J-Dq for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:29:58 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.32] (helo=mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EIPH4-000068-22 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:29:58 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 22 Sep 2005 12:29:53 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,138,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="24357014:sNHT271393598" Received: from dsl-80-41-186-72.access.as9105.com ([80.41.186.72]:10009 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EIPEv-0003um-Dw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:27:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:30:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro Quotes Message-ID: <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) It seems, even though SmartQuotes is OFF in "Choices-Text", when writing a new document, Smart quotes is the default setting. I appreciate that with the Smart Quotes Applet its' easy to remove them. My question on behalf of SWMBO is this: Is it possible to have Plain Quotes as the default setting in a document, if so how, please? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 22 14:18:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EIQIG-0spVbs-06-1CFn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:18:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EIQIG-0spVbs-06-1CFn; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:35:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EIQIG-0spVbs-06; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:35:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EIQIG-00015h-Eh; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:35:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EIPPB-0000Aa-V5; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:38:22 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EIQ7Y-0001Rv-2Z for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:24:12 +0100 Received: from [81.187.81.51] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EIQ7X-0001Rl-JL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:24:11 +0100 Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EIQ7X-00026P-7N for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:24:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:24:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro Quotes Message-ID: <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > It seems, even though SmartQuotes is OFF in "Choices-Text", when > writing a new document, Smart quotes is the default setting. > I appreciate that with the Smart Quotes Applet its' easy to remove them. > My question on behalf of SWMBO is this: Is it possible to have Plain > Quotes as the default setting in a document, if so how, please? The 'As you type' options of smart quotes are handled by the !Quotes applet. Click on the 'Smart quotes' entry on the Applets menu to switch the option on or off (as denoted by a the entry being ticked). The Choices option controls whether or not smart quotes are used when importing text files. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 22 19:58:06 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EIWEz-1D7GPo-08-xmY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:58:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EIWEz-1D7GPo-08-xmY; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:56:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EIWEz-1D7GPo-08; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:56:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EIWEz-0005X3-1K; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:56:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EIWEd-0006q7-RM; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:55:56 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EIW6F-0000UX-8u for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:47:15 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.38] (helo=mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EIW6D-0000UH-PL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:47:15 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 22 Sep 2005 19:47:13 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,138,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="15964508:sNHT18659431" Received: from dsl-80-41-191-88.access.as9105.com ([80.41.191.88]:10257 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EIW48-000LTO-UH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:45:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:46:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro Quotes Message-ID: <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > It seems, even though SmartQuotes is OFF in "Choices-Text", when > > writing a new document, Smart quotes is the default setting. > > I appreciate that with the Smart Quotes Applet its' easy to remove > > them. > > My question on behalf of SWMBO is this: Is it possible to have Plain > > Quotes as the default setting in a document, if so how, please? > The 'As you type' options of smart quotes are handled by the !Quotes > applet. Click on the 'Smart quotes' entry on the Applets menu to switch > the option on or off (as denoted by a the entry being ticked). > The Choices option controls whether or not smart quotes are used when > importing text files. Thank you Gavin. Yes that does it, but it's not quite what I'm after. If the Smart Quotes entry in the Applets menus is unticked, that only lasts for this session, as the state is not set in the document or remembered by OvPro itself, because next time OvPro is Run the SQ entry in the Applets menu is again ticked on. I don't want to switch the applet off completely in the Applets Directory, what I'm after is a modification of the Library script so that its default state is unticked. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 22 22:18:13 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EIYJI-4Nl000-01-14El."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:18:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EIYJI-4Nl000-01-14El; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:08:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EIYJI-4Nl000-01; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:08:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EIYJI-0005HM-Lf; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:08:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EIYJA-0004Re-EW; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:08:44 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EIYHR-0004CL-0n for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:06:57 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EIYHQ-0004CG-Il for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:06:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EIYHQ-0000kG-JZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:06:56 +0000 Message-ID: <2eZfb2BryxMDFwBt@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:05:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro Quotes References: <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I don't want to switch the applet off completely in the Applets Directory, >what I'm after is a modification of the Library script so that its default >state is unticked. Change int quotes_status; to int quotes_status=0; at the start. At a guess. I'd say it defaults to off. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 23 13:53:54 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EIfzw-28IGPo-07-154d."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:53:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EIfzw-28IGPo-07-154d; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 05:21:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EIfzw-28IGPo-07; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 05:21:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EIfzw-0004Wv-Jo; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 05:21:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EIf6q-0006Wb-EI; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 05:24:28 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EIfyR-0000wL-D5 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:19:51 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.38] (helo=mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EIfyR-0000wG-4q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:19:51 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 23 Sep 2005 06:19:50 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,139,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="16250931:sNHT19273849" Received: from dsl-80-41-177-108.access.as9105.com ([80.41.177.108]:10009 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EIfyQ-000HLT-M2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 05:19:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:17:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro Quotes Message-ID: <4daebdaacddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <2eZfb2BryxMDFwBt@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> <2eZfb2BryxMDFwBt@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <2eZfb2BryxMDFwBt@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I don't want to switch the applet off completely in the Applets > >Directory, what I'm after is a modification of the Library script so > >that its default state is unticked. > Change > int quotes_status; > to > int quotes_status=0; > at the start. > At a guess. I'd say it defaults to off. David, thanks for that, unfortunately it doesn't The default state of applet is still ticked on. I have checked that I've inserted a Zero, not the 15th letter of the alphabet. int quotes_status=0; I've quit Ovro from icon bar and re-run. I've also completely switched the Quotes applet off in the applets directory, then switched it back on again... No change. Anything else I can try? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 23 13:54:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EIiRe-3ai000-07-1B9R."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:54:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EIiRe-3ai000-07-1B9R; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:58:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EIiRe-3ai000-07; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:58:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EIiRe-0004pT-ER; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:58:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EIiRU-0001ND-DJ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:58:00 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EIiPI-0002CY-59 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:55:44 +0100 Received: from [81.187.81.51] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EIiPH-0002CM-Qp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:55:43 +0100 Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EIiPH-00030D-EX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:55:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:55:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro Quotes Message-ID: <4daecc11c5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4daebdaacddfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> <2eZfb2BryxMDFwBt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4daebdaacddfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4daebdaacddfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <2eZfb2BryxMDFwBt@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >I don't want to switch the applet off completely in the Applets > > >Directory, what I'm after is a modification of the Library script so > > >that its default state is unticked. > > Change > > int quotes_status; > > to > > int quotes_status=0; > > at the start. > > At a guess. I'd say it defaults to off. > David, thanks for that, unfortunately it doesn't > The default state of applet is still ticked on. > I have checked that I've inserted a Zero, not the 15th letter of the > alphabet. > int quotes_status=0; > I've quit Ovro from icon bar and re-run. > I've also completely switched the Quotes applet off in the applets > directory, then switched it back on again... No change. > Anything else I can try? > Cheers > Dave S Looking at David's code it looks to me that it's setting is being defaulted to on. On the very last line of the code try changing quotes_setevent(1); to quotes_setevent(0); and see if that works. BTW I've not tried it myself but looking at what is going on, I'm sure it will do the trick. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 23 18:54:03 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EIral-1ASknw-06-120K."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:54:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EIral-1ASknw-06-120K; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:44:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EIral-1ASknw-06; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:44:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EIral-0005P9-4d; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:44:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EIqhX-0001V7-L1; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:47:07 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EIrPP-0002fd-Sq for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:32:27 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.32] (helo=mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EIrPP-0002fW-HK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:32:27 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.40]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 23 Sep 2005 18:32:27 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,141,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="25549498:sNHT85720887" Received: from dsl-80-41-178-198.access.as9105.com ([80.41.178.198]:10051 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EIrPN-0004j1-Vl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:32:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:31:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro Quotes Message-ID: <4daf00cac5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4daecc11c5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> <2eZfb2BryxMDFwBt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4daebdaacddfs@ukgateway.net> <4daecc11c5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4daecc11c5gav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > Looking at David's code it looks to me that it's setting is being > defaulted to on. On the very last line of the code try changing > quotes_setevent(1); > to > quotes_setevent(0); > and see if that works. > BTW I've not tried it myself but looking at what is going on, I'm sure > it will do the trick. > Gavin Crawford Thanks for that Gavin, It does the business, and SWMBO is a happy bunny. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 23 22:14:13 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EIuiQ-41ZVbs-04-1Fvh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:14:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EIuiQ-41ZVbs-04-1Fvh; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:04:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EIuiQ-41ZVbs-04; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:04:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EIuiQ-0006Kz-1C; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:04:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EItpH-0007vw-Cr; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:07:19 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EIuh0-0000j5-1I for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:02:50 +0100 Received: from [194.158.229.43] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EIugz-0000iv-Nx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:02:49 +0100 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.59) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.0.043) id 4320C541000FB53D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:02:49 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:27:15 +0100 From: JMAH van Vredenburch To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro Quotes Message-ID: <33ef05af4d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> you wrote: > In article <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > In article <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net>, > > Dave Symes wrote: > > > It seems, even though SmartQuotes is OFF in "Choices-Text", when > > > writing a new document, Smart quotes is the default setting. > > > > I appreciate that with the Smart Quotes Applet its' easy to remove > > > them. > > > > My question on behalf of SWMBO is this: Is it possible to have Plain > > > Quotes as the default setting in a document, if so how, please? > > > The 'As you type' options of smart quotes are handled by the !Quotes > > applet. Click on the 'Smart quotes' entry on the Applets menu to switch > > the option on or off (as denoted by a the entry being ticked). > > > The Choices option controls whether or not smart quotes are used when > > importing text files. > > Thank you Gavin. > Yes that does it, but it's not quite what I'm after. > > If the Smart Quotes entry in the Applets menus is unticked, that only > lasts for this session, as the state is not set in the document or > remembered by OvPro itself, because next time OvPro is Run the SQ entry in > the Applets menu is again ticked on. > I don't want to switch the applet off completely in the Applets Directory, > what I'm after is a modification of the Library script so that its default > state is unticked. Two possibilities: 1. Untick Quotes in the Applet menu and save the document as default (or as a template as a OvPStyle document). 2. Instead of typing use (Inkey-50 is the key with quote and 2 on it). And of course when changing anything in Choices, you must *Save*. Clicking OK is for the present session only. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 23 22:54:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EIvMt-4fhVbs-08-yEC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:54:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EIvMt-4fhVbs-08-yEC; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:46:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EIvMt-4fhVbs-08; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:46:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EIvMs-0000na-VD; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:46:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EIvMr-00023O-RH; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:46:05 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EIvHz-0000w2-Ec for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:41:03 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.32] (helo=mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EIvHz-0000vs-1i for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:41:03 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 23 Sep 2005 22:41:02 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,141,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="25743298:sNHT36455503" Received: from dsl-80-41-190-175.access.as9105.com ([80.41.190.175]:10213 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EIvHy-0006yt-CI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:41:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:41:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro Quotes Message-ID: <4daf17bf7edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <33ef05af4d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> <33ef05af4d.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <33ef05af4d.janvred@smile.ch>, JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> you wrote: [Snip] > > I don't want to switch the applet off completely in the Applets > > Directory, what I'm after is a modification of the Library script so > > that its default state is unticked. > Two possibilities: > 1. Untick Quotes in the Applet menu and save the document as default > (or as a template as a OvPStyle document). Thanks for the thoughts John, the above doesn't work as the status of the applet is not stored in the document. > 2. Instead of typing use > (Inkey-50 is the key with quote and 2 on it). Rather misses the point that she want's the applet unticked as default. Of course Gavin's solution sorted the problem exactly as she wanted. But thanks again for your thoughts on the matter. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 24 13:58:50 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EJ6oW-3vdVbs-05-1bvf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:58:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EJ6oW-3vdVbs-05-1bvf; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:59:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EJ6oW-3vdVbs-05; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:59:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EJ6oW-0006qM-1N; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:59:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJ6oU-00010a-2q; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:59:22 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EJ6kv-0005kV-RV for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:55:41 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJ6kv-0005kQ-IH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:55:41 +0100 Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([80.177.152.227] helo=panther) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EJ6fC-000AMK-45 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:49:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:43:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard, Multiframes, Save leads to freeze Message-ID: <4daf59db44frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4daddb1a44frank@aaug.net> References: <4dac4cde12frank@aaug.net> <004601c5bd68$cb931670$e3f4e5d4@mypc> <4daddb1a44frank@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4daddb1a44frank@aaug.net>, Frank Watkinson wrote: > In article <004601c5bd68$cb931670$e3f4e5d4@mypc>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > I know I am not using the latest version, but I see no reference > > > in the "Changes274" and "Changes275" files to make me think that > > > either of those versions would perform differently. Am I wrong? > > Is there any reason to not upgrade? I'm not going to fix a bug in > > 2.73 which does not exist in 2.75 8-) > No good reason. Laziness? Still happens with 2.75, but see below. > > Joking apart, not every bug fixed is mentioned in the changes file > > - bad but true. [Snip] > Cleared most applets from 2.75. Problem gone away. Replacing applets > one-by-one. Will let list know when I find the culprit(s). (8-)> Not true. The problem is still there. My diagnosis was wrong. Even when stripped down to minimum number of applets, the problem of hanging the machine still occurs, but only when the Clipboard is opened *before* copying the modified text to the Clipboard. If the modified text is copied to the clipboard before opening the Clipboard, there is no hanging problem, irrespective of the number of applets loaded. OK, it seems to be a real bug, but it is no big deal as long as you don't open the Clipboard. If you *must* open it to check what is there, don't open it until after copying new material to it. I have checked this on other files than the one referred to in my original posting and it hangs the machine just the same, if you open the Clipboard before copying. [Snip] Is it worth chasing this bug? Perhaps it should just be noted somewhere together with the workaround? Regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyonix 5.09. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 24 18:18:56 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EJDYO-0Wzknw-08-1E8l."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:18:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EJDYO-0Wzknw-08-1E8l; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:11:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EJDYO-0Wzknw-08; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:11:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EJDYO-0005Ax-A6; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:11:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJDYM-00030F-Ka; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:11:10 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EJDWz-0003Dc-Vz for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:09:46 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJDWz-0003DL-Mn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:09:45 +0100 Received: from [80.229.124.147] (helo=barryix) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EJDWu-0007yd-Km for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:09:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Barry Allen (co)" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:09:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SynchDiscs on Windows XP Message-ID: <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Folks, I'm trying to Synchronise Disc 'C' with Disc 'E' on a Windows XP machine but keep getting the error that a file is being used. I think I've just got a bare bones machine with no applications running. Any thoughts? -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 24 20:29:02 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EJFe8-3n2knw-04-1KZX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:29:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EJFe8-3n2knw-04-1KZX; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:25:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EJFe8-3n2knw-04; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:25:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EJFe8-0002NZ-Ai; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:25:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJEl1-0001uX-U8; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:28:19 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EJFW5-0007fW-N3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:16:57 +0100 Received: from [213.160.118.140] (helo=mailhost.netweaver.net) by svr1.spellings.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJFW5-0007fQ-Bw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:16:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 16439 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 19:16:56 -0000 Received: from cpc3-hem12-4-1-cust184.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.sandford.ntlworld.com) (lists@thesandfords.me.uk@86.3.10.184) by 0 with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 19:16:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:16:43 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SynchDiscs on Windows XP Message-ID: References: <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> "Barry Allen (co)" wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm trying to Synchronise Disc 'C' with Disc 'E' on a Windows XP machine > but keep getting the error that a file is being used. I think I've just > got a bare bones machine with no applications running. Any thoughts? > you can't do that on a windows machine as system files on the C drive will be protected against any access whilst windows is running, even microsoft's backup can't. John -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead RISC OS User Group email info@hhrug.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 24 20:29:03 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EJFe8-3n3knw-04-1T63."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:29:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EJFe8-3n3knw-04-1T63; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:25:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EJFe8-3n3knw-04; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:25:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EJFe8-0002Ng-Lb; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:25:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJFe6-0007MS-Pm; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:25:14 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EJFci-0008A3-Pr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:23:48 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJFci-00089v-9t for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:23:48 +0100 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050924192348.ZKDM21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:23:48 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([82.28.141.231]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050924192347.YUTF6183.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:23:47 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:07:37 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SynchDiscs on Windows XP To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sat 24 Sep, Barry Allen (co) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm trying to Synchronise Disc 'C' with Disc 'E' on a Windows XP machine > but keep getting the error that a file is being used. I think I've just > got a bare bones machine with no applications running. Any thoughts? Are you including the Windows directory and sub-directories? And the Documents and Settings directory structure for the current user? There will be a number of files in those 2 locations open whenever Windows is running. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 25 01:49:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EJKc3-3yaVbs-08-hVY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:49:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EJKc3-3yaVbs-08-hVY; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:43:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EJKc3-3yaVbs-08; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:43:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EJKc3-00055r-QD; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:43:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJKc1-0006y4-Gu; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:43:25 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EJKa5-00071v-Q9 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:41:25 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJKa5-00071q-Fk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:41:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EJKa5-00081k-0a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:41:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:40:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SynchDiscs on Windows XP References: <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) SyncDiscs is available for Windows? - you could have fooled me 8-) Mention of it, at last, makes me think: (1) I have a much better version but I can't get around to finishing it and releasing it. (2) There are quite a lot of file sync tools available for Windows - maybe some for free. Dim idea that xcopy will do the job. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 25 01:59:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EJKjI-4gUVbs-04-yRL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:59:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EJKjI-4gUVbs-04-yRL; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:50:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EJKjI-4gUVbs-04; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:50:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EJKjI-0005Ke-IU; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:50:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJKjE-0001IO-PW; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:50:52 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EJJM8-0007eU-0x for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:56 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.212] (helo=ptb-relay01.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJJM7-0007eP-OU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:55 +0100 Received: from [84.93.146.174] (helo=barryix) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EJJM1-0003Y7-Ad for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Barry Allen (co)" To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:22:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SynchDiscs on Windows XP Message-ID: <4dafa4cccabarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sat 24 Sep, Barry Allen (co) wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I'm trying to Synchronise Disc 'C' with Disc 'E' on a Windows XP > > machine but keep getting the error that a file is being used. I think > > I've just got a bare bones machine with no applications running. Any > > thoughts? > > Are you including the Windows directory and sub-directories? And the > Documents and Settings directory structure for the current user? There > will be a number of files in those 2 locations open whenever Windows is > running. Yes, everything. How does one know what to exclude? -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 17:09:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EJQxk-2JI000-08-1HmR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:09:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EJQxk-2JI000-08-1HmR; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:30:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EJQxk-2JI000-08; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:30:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EJQxj-0006Qi-Sp; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:30:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJQ4Z-0006v0-5m; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:33:15 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EJQiO-0001dR-Kf for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 08:14:24 +0100 Received: from [62.241.162.31] (helo=galaxy.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJQiO-0001dM-Cp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 08:14:24 +0100 Received: from RiscPC (81-178-165-204.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.165.204]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AC5E00018D for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 08:14:24 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 08:13:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SynchDiscs on Windows XP Message-ID: <4dafcff6a1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 24 Sep, wrote: > In message <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> "Barry Allen (co)" > wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I'm trying to Synchronise Disc 'C' with Disc 'E' on a Windows XP > > machine but keep getting the error that a file is being used. I think > > I've just got a bare bones machine with no applications running. Any > > thoughts? > > > you can't do that on a windows machine as system files on the C drive > will be protected against any access whilst windows is running, even > microsoft's backup can't. Well off topic I suppose but Backup Exec can do open files. Commercial product, not cheap. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 17:10:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EJSrh-0Vmknw-04-1FsU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:10:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EJSrh-0Vmknw-04-1FsU; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:32:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EJSrh-0Vmknw-04; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:32:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EJSrh-0001uA-80; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:32:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJSrf-0007EY-Ab; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:32:07 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EJSqJ-0005Wj-VK for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:30:43 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJSqJ-0005WU-Hs for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:30:43 +0100 Received: from [84.93.73.21] (helo=barryix) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EJSqF-0007GE-9Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:30:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:30:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SynchDiscs on Windows XP Message-ID: <4dafdc7f3cbarry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dafcff6a1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4dafcff6a1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4dafcff6a1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 24 Sep, wrote: > > In message <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> "Barry Allen (co)" > > wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > I'm trying to Synchronise Disc 'C' with Disc 'E' on a Windows XP > > > machine but keep getting the error that a file is being used. I > > > think I've just got a bare bones machine with no applications > > > running. Any thoughts? > > > > > you can't do that on a windows machine as system files on the C drive > > will be protected against any access whilst windows is running, even > > microsoft's backup can't. > Well off topic I suppose but Backup Exec can do open files. Commercial > product, not cheap. Thanks, mnn.. It is **very** expensive. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 17:10:08 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EJTwL-1Kzknw-08-ghm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:10:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EJTwL-1Kzknw-08-ghm; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:41:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EJTwL-1Kzknw-08; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:41:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EJTwL-0007Hu-Fj; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:41:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJTwJ-0006Yt-NQ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:40:59 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EJTuU-0004Fp-Os for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:39:06 +0100 Received: from [83.146.21.8] (helo=cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJTuU-0004Fg-FG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:39:06 +0100 Received: by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 34FDB1E40C7; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:39:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from [84.9.232.147] (host-84-9-232-147.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.232.147]) by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F691E40E6 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:38:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <43367E84.8040501@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:40:04 +0100 From: cbonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SynchDiscs on Windows XP References: <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4dafcff6a1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4dafdc7f3cbarry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dafdc7f3cbarry@e-allen.me.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Barry E Allen wrote: > In article <4dafcff6a1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling > wrote: > >>On 24 Sep, wrote: >> >>>In message <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> "Barry Allen (co)" >>> wrote: > > >>>>Hi Folks, >>>> >>>>I'm trying to Synchronise Disc 'C' with Disc 'E' on a Windows XP >>>>machine but keep getting the error that a file is being used. I >>>>think I've just got a bare bones machine with no applications >>>>running. Any thoughts? >>>> >>> >>>you can't do that on a windows machine as system files on the C drive >>>will be protected against any access whilst windows is running, even >>>microsoft's backup can't. > > >>Well off topic I suppose but Backup Exec can do open files. Commercial >>product, not cheap. > > > Thanks, mnn.. It is **very** expensive. I've been using the freeware version of SyncBack, which works well and can be dowloaded from: http://www.2brightsparks.com/downloads.html There's an all singing all dancing version which costs $25 ... -- Clive Bonsall Iyonix 512Mb RO5.10 C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 17:10:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EJb2b-2TBGPo-04-17ha."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:10:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EJb2b-2TBGPo-04-17ha; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:15:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EJb2b-2TBGPo-04; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:15:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EJb2a-0007g2-Ub; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:15:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJb2V-0004vO-T1; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:15:51 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EJb14-0001BN-M6 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:14:22 +0100 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJb14-0001BI-BZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:14:22 +0100 Received: from du-007-0110.freeuk.com ([212.126.143.110] helo=freeuk.net) by relay.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EJakJ-000NOz-7v for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:57:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:55:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard, Multiframes, Save leads to freeze Message-ID: <4db00ab1f5badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4daf59db44frank@aaug.net> References: <4dac4cde12frank@aaug.net> <004601c5bd68$cb931670$e3f4e5d4@mypc> <4daddb1a44frank@aaug.net> <4daf59db44frank@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4daf59db44frank@aaug.net>, Frank Watkinson wrote: > In article <4daddb1a44frank@aaug.net>, > Frank Watkinson wrote: > > Cleared most applets from 2.75. Problem gone away. Replacing applets > > one-by-one. Will let list know when I find the culprit(s). (8-)> > Not true. The problem is still there. Same problem here for years - I use 'template' documents with lots of options saved in text-boxes stored in the paste-board area to copy to the multiple clip-boards ready to do bulk Find & Replace operations on imported batches of text... the workaround for the clip-board hanging problem (exactly as described by Frank) is written at the top of each template to remind me not to look at the pasteboard until I've done an incremental save. I'd never bothered to report it as I thought it was probably the product of some mild eccentricities in my set-up. Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 17:10:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EJzl7-3dkknw-05-1H58."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:10:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EJzl7-3dkknw-05-1H58; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:39:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EJzl7-3dkknw-05; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:39:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EJzl7-0004Bu-Oj; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:39:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJzl4-0004iX-9x; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:39:30 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EJzit-0001Lu-7U for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:37:15 +0100 Received: from [64.4.61.33] (helo=hotmail.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJzis-0001La-Qo for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:37:14 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:37:13 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.201 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:37:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.201] X-Originating-Email: [angelacraggs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: angelacraggs@hotmail.com From: "Angela Craggs" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Bcc: Subject: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro for Windows Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:37:13 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2005 20:37:13.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[13651D60:01C5C2DA] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi I have just purchased two fonts from EFF - Swiss Greek & Swiss Greek Bold. I have installed them as per the instructions with the fonts. However, although I can see them and use them in, for example, Word and Xara, I cannot see them in Ovation Pro - which is where I want to use them. I have installed other fonts for use with OV Pro with no problem Can anyone tell me what I have done wrong? I am using version 2.75. Thanks Angela Craggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 17:10:53 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EK0au-0TfVbs-06-1GFL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:10:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EK0au-0TfVbs-06-1GFL; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:33:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EK0au-0TfVbs-06; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:33:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EK0au-00011N-BQ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:33:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EK0aq-0003vs-E5; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:33:00 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EK0ZU-0007io-Gi for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:31:36 +0100 Received: from [194.158.229.27] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EK0ZU-0007ih-8M for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:31:36 +0100 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.9.98) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.0.043) id 4320CBE2000D6661 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:31:36 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:40:17 +0100 From: JMAH van Vredenburch To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro Quotes Message-ID: <7c9f9db04d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4dae5be88fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4dae60d8adgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4dae83dd8fdfs@ukgateway.net> <33ef05af4d.janvred@smile.ch> <4daf17bf7edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4daf17bf7edfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dave, Thanks for your reaction which was a warning for me! [snip some] > > Thanks for the thoughts John, the above doesn't work as the status of the > applet is not stored in the document. It did with me, a total of 195 pages textfile (98000 words+) with quite a few quotes were imported in OvPro and the quotes remained plain quotes. No fancy quotes to be found. Did some more testing after yopur message with end result that Ovpro crashed totally giving error messages for all applets etc. I had to reset the machine. I was already aware that some or other font was hurting my machine in a bad way. My font manager -EasyPro 32-bit- now also seems corrupted (or maybe the problem started there). Trying to fix leads to a total crash and an unusable font manager. And the computer does not like this at all. So I'll have to re-install the program and all fonts (approx. 170) and test during installation where a font leads to corruption. (Yes, I do have back-ups of all fonts and a picture which font goes where.) I am aware that a font with too many sub-directories (5 or more) should be avoided. [snip some more] > > Of course Gavin's solution sorted the problem exactly as she wanted. Absolutely. Greetings and thank you for your warning, JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 17:10:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EK0rc-1LXVbs-04-hsZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:10:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EK0rc-1LXVbs-04-hsZ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EK0rc-1LXVbs-04; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EK0rc-0002F3-G3; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EJzyT-0001oP-RX; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:53:21 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EK0pq-0001LD-Oa for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:48:30 +0100 Received: from [83.146.21.8] (helo=cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EK0pq-0001L2-FG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:48:30 +0100 Received: by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id D9C461E4083; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:48:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from [84.9.232.157] (host-84-9-232-157.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.232.157]) by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7822D1E41E8 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:48:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <43386CC8.50901@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:48:56 +0100 From: cbonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro for Windows References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Angela Craggs wrote: > Hi > I have just purchased two fonts from EFF - Swiss Greek & Swiss Greek > Bold. I have installed them as per the instructions with the fonts. > However, although I can see them and use them in, for example, Word and > Xara, I cannot see them in Ovation Pro - which is where I want to use > them. I have installed other fonts for use with OV Pro with no problem > Can anyone tell me what I have done wrong? I am using version 2.75. > Thanks > Angela Craggs Are they TrueType or Postcript fonts? And which version of Windows are you using? -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 17:11:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EK10y-1x4Vbs-01-1FpH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:11:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EK10y-1x4Vbs-01-1FpH; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:00:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EK10y-1x4Vbs-01; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:00:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EK10y-0006B9-Jl; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:00:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EK10v-0007r7-PM; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:59:57 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EK0zb-0002SB-0u for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:58:35 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EK0za-0002S4-Qt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:58:34 +0100 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050926215834.OVZP10357.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:58:34 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([82.28.141.231]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050926215831.BXLQ13031.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:58:31 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:59:28 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SynchDiscs on Windows XP To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4dafa4cccabarry@e-allen.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sun 25 Sep, Barry Allen (co) wrote: > In article , Anthony Hilton > wrote: > > In on Sat 24 Sep, Barry Allen (co) wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > I'm trying to Synchronise Disc 'C' with Disc 'E' on a Windows XP > > > machine but keep getting the error that a file is being used. I think > > > I've just got a bare bones machine with no applications running. Any > > > thoughts? > > > > Are you including the Windows directory and sub-directories? And the > > Documents and Settings directory structure for the current user? There > > will be a number of files in those 2 locations open whenever Windows is > > running. > > Yes, everything. How does one know what to exclude? Knowing the operating system I suppose. You might be better working out where your data files, and any downloaded files, are stored and only backing those up. Installed programmes are not much use without the Windows Registry, so backing up the "C:\Program Files" directory structure could prove a waste of time. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 17:11:10 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EKAMs-4XHknw-02-16TN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:11:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EKAMs-4XHknw-02-16TN; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:59:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EKAMs-4XHknw-02; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:59:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EKAMs-0004Es-7Z; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:59:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EKAMm-0005Yw-Eb; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:59:08 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EKAKr-0003M9-DA for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:57:09 +0100 Received: from [64.4.61.16] (helo=hotmail.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKAKq-0003Ly-VJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:57:09 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:57:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.202 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:57:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.202] X-Originating-Email: [angelacraggs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: angelacraggs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43386CC8.50901@ed.ac.uk> From: "Angela Craggs" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Bcc: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro for Windows Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:57:07 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2005 07:57:07.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EBF7DF0:01C5C339] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Sorry, should have given full info. They are True Type. I am using Windows XP. Angela >From: cbonsall >Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net >To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net >Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro >for Windows >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:48:56 +0100 > >Angela Craggs wrote: >>Hi >>I have just purchased two fonts from EFF - Swiss Greek & Swiss Greek Bold. >>I have installed them as per the instructions with the fonts. However, >>although I can see them and use them in, for example, Word and Xara, I >>cannot see them in Ovation Pro - which is where I want to use them. I have >>installed other fonts for use with OV Pro with no problem >>Can anyone tell me what I have done wrong? I am using version 2.75. >>Thanks >>Angela Craggs > >Are they TrueType or Postcript fonts? And which version of Windows are you >using? >-- >Clive Bonsall >C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk > > > > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > >Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 17:11:11 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EKAQj-4Qyknw-04-1Ew2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:11:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EKAQj-4Qyknw-04-1Ew2; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:03:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EKAQj-4Qyknw-04; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:03:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EKAQj-0005EB-63; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:03:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EKAQf-0006Ym-JS; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:03:09 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EKAPE-00040w-Mj for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:01:40 +0100 Received: from [82.153.252.23] (helo=mra01.ch.as12513.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKAPE-00040r-FO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:01:40 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra01.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5EB28C389 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:01:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra01.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra01.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06812-01-15 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:01:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from min.lexicon (unknown [82.152.235.13]) by mra01.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C05F28C65E for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:01:34 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: Ovation Pro List Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:59:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SynchDiscs on Windows XP Message-ID: <4db0dbd385mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4daf82af58barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sat 24 Sep, Barry Allen (co) wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I'm trying to Synchronise Disc 'C' with Disc 'E' on a Windows XP machine > > but keep getting the error that a file is being used. I think I've just > > got a bare bones machine with no applications running. Any thoughts? > > Are you including the Windows directory and sub-directories? And the > Documents and Settings directory structure for the current user? There will > be a number of files in those 2 locations open whenever Windows is running. BartPE can be downloaded and burned to a CD. It will enable you to boot into it's version of Windows on the CD so no files are open on your installation. Best to yse Robocopy to make a complete copy of one hard drive to another. BartPE is also very useful for getting rid of viruses that are open as soon as Windows starts. Martin Longley -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 17:11:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EKCBU-1huGPo-06-14el."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:11:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EKCBU-1huGPo-06-14el; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:55:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EKCBU-1huGPo-06; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:55:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EKCBU-0001SG-Gk; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:55:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EKBIL-0000mF-5c; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:58:37 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EKCA7-0005wW-6a for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:54:11 +0100 Received: from [83.146.21.7] (helo=smtp.bulldogdsl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKCA6-0005wO-Ru for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:54:10 +0100 Received: by smtp.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 6A8401F080E; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:54:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from [84.9.232.192] (host-84-9-232-192.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.232.192]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4721F0589 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:53:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4339167F.5010509@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:53:03 +0100 From: cbonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro for Windows References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Angela Craggs wrote: > Sorry, should have given full info. > > They are True Type. I am using Windows XP. > Angela If you go into Windows\Fonts and double-click on the SwissGreek and SwissGreek.Bold font icons, do you see a sample of the font in various point sizes within a window? If you do, then it would suggest the fonts are correctly isntalled and I'm surprised they aren't recognized by OPW (presumably, you rebooted the computer after installing the fonts?). Some of the fonts in Windows\Fonts on my WinXP computer are not recognized by OPW, but in all cases it looks as tho' the font file is corrupted in some way -- it doesn't display correctly when I double-click on the font icon. I have a few EFF TrueType fonts, but I normally buy the PostScript versions and install them using Adobe Type Manager ... and they all work fine with OPW. If you can't see anything obviously wrong with the fonts, go back to EFF (I've always found them very helpful) and ask them to investigate the problem ... or send you PS or OpenType versions of the fonts istead. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 28 22:20:08 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EKjFK-04SGPo-04-1VGX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:20:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EKjFK-04SGPo-04-1VGX; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:13:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EKjFK-04SGPo-04; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:13:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EKjFK-0001e1-CX; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:13:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EKiW4-0004MU-E3; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:27:00 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EKjCa-0005BJ-0b for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:10:56 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKjCZ-0005BB-Mf for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:10:55 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EKjCZ-0006A0-E9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:10:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:09:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro for Windows References: <43386CC8.50901@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>>I have just purchased two fonts from EFF - Swiss Greek & Swiss Greek >>>Bold. I have installed them as per the instructions with the fonts. >>>However, EFF have kindly sent me one of the fonts, I am investigating... (can confirm the font does not appear for me either). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 29 02:30:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EKnFR-064knw-01-1ADO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:30:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EKnFR-064knw-01-1ADO; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:30:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EKnFR-064knw-01; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:30:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EKnFR-0007io-95; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:30:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EKnFJ-0001DX-H3; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:30:01 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EKnCn-000677-BO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:27:25 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKnCn-000672-2A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:27:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EKnCm-0005PD-8a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:27:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:26:12 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro for Windows References: <43386CC8.50901@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>>I have just purchased two fonts from EFF - Swiss Greek & Swiss Greek >>>Bold. I have installed them as per the instructions with the fonts. >>>However, I know what the problem is, OPW enumerates fonts with ANSI and Symbol character sets. It does not see any others. I did things this way on purpose. With later versions of Windows there are better ways of doing things. I was aiming for compatibility with older versions. I've asked EFF their opinion - maybe this is an unusual font, maybe not. If this is going to be a problem I'll change the way OPW searches for fonts. ISTR this is one of Windows' little jokes - all this messing about with character sets, and then we're going to use the fonts in Unicode mode. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 29 14:47:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EKuQt-1wE000-04-1jeW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:47:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EKuQt-1wE000-04-1jeW; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:10:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EKuQt-1wE000-04; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:10:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EKuQt-00030I-65; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:10:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EKthV-0001M1-Bx; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:23:33 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EKuOr-0000HQ-AN for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:08:21 +0100 Received: from [64.4.61.28] (helo=hotmail.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKuOq-0000Gk-1Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:08:20 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:08:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.202 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:08:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.202] X-Originating-Email: [angelacraggs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: angelacraggs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Angela Craggs" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Bcc: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro for Windows Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:08:18 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2005 09:08:18.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[55499150:01C5C4D5] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thank you, David, Clive and EFF for your very rapid replies to my problems with these fonts. I look forward to being able to use them on OVPro in the future. Isn't it heartening to have such helpful people out there. Thanks again Angela >From: David Pilling >Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net >To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net >Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro >for Windows >Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:26:12 +0100 > >>>>I have just purchased two fonts from EFF - Swiss Greek & Swiss Greek >>>>Bold. I have installed them as per the instructions with the fonts. >>>>However, > >I know what the problem is, OPW enumerates fonts with ANSI and Symbol >character sets. It does not see any others. > >I did things this way on purpose. With later versions of Windows there are >better ways of doing things. I was aiming for compatibility with older >versions. > >I've asked EFF their opinion - maybe this is an unusual font, maybe not. > >If this is going to be a problem I'll change the way OPW searches for >fonts. > >ISTR this is one of Windows' little jokes - all this messing about with >character sets, and then we're going to use the fonts in Unicode mode. > > >-- >David Pilling >email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > >Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 29 14:47:46 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EKvXP-2ITknw-05-1IyS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:47:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EKvXP-2ITknw-05-1IyS; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:21:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EKvXP-2ITknw-05; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:21:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EKvXO-0000tP-Pw; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:21:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EKvXH-0001wT-Lx; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:21:07 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EKvVd-0004Sp-WA for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:19:26 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKvVd-0004S8-Fw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:19:25 +0100 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050929101916.MRBK9239.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:19:16 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.213.175]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050929101916.HEAZ1770.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:19:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro for Windows To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:23:24 +0100 Message-ID: <0da7f0b14d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message "Angela Craggs" wrote: > Thank you, David, Clive and EFF for your very rapid replies to my problems > with these fonts. I look forward to being able to use them on OVPro in the > future. > Isn't it heartening to have such helpful people out there. > Thanks again > Angela > I hcave come into this a little late but do struggle finding a good Ancient Greek font so I wonder if you could bring me up to speed. Just the other day someone asked mt NT Greek for a word and I had to use latin fonts. Not very good for theologian! 8-( Blessings Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 29 14:47:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EKx2G-45GVbs-05-jNX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:47:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EKx2G-45GVbs-05-jNX; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:57:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EKx2G-45GVbs-05; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:57:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EKx2G-0001JL-Il; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:57:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EKx27-0005vJ-N1; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:57:03 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EKx0U-0005Q6-Ou for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:55:22 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKx0U-0005Pw-E8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:55:22 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EKx0T-000Mk5-2q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:55:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:52:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro for Windows Message-ID: <4db1f8cbcdjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0da7f0b14d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <0da7f0b14d.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <0da7f0b14d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > "Angela Craggs" wrote: > > Thank you, David, Clive and EFF for your very rapid replies to my problems > > with these fonts. I look forward to being able to use them on OVPro in the > > future. > > Isn't it heartening to have such helpful people out there. > > Thanks again > > Angela > > > I hcave come into this a little late but do struggle finding a good > Ancient Greek font so I wonder if you could bring me up to speed. Just > the other day someone asked mt NT Greek for a word and I had to use > latin fonts. Not very good for theologian! 8-( EFF supply a range of Ancient (and modern) Greek fonts in Acorn, Windows, and Mac format. The full alphabet, and the prices, are shown on their site: www.eff.co.uk There are no Greek fonts on their Professional Typography CD but, on a RISC OS system, you could always see if it's possible to make use of the Sidney font for the odd word or two. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 29 17:27:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EL16T-0zbGPo-01-npq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:27:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EL16T-0zbGPo-01-npq; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:17:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EL16T-0zbGPo-01; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:17:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EL16T-0005sJ-BS; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:17:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EL0NA-00021G-PF; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:31:00 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EL14u-0004k3-3S for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:16:12 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EL14t-0004jl-IT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:16:11 +0100 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050929161607.KCML10357.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:16:07 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.213.175]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050929161606.LTRI1770.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:16:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Newly installed font not available in Ov Pro for Windows To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:20:18 +0100 Message-ID: <0a5411b24d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <0da7f0b14d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4db1f8cbcdjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4db1f8cbcdjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4db1f8cbcdjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > In article <0da7f0b14d.alan@ntlworld.com>, > Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message >> "Angela Craggs" wrote: > >> > Thank you, David, Clive and EFF for your very rapid replies to my problems >> > with these fonts. I look forward to being able to use them on OVPro in the >> > future. >> > Isn't it heartening to have such helpful people out there. >> > Thanks again >> > Angela >> > >> I have come into this a little late but do struggle finding a good >> Ancient Greek font so I wonder if you could bring me up to speed. Just >> the other day someone asked me NT Greek for a word and I had to use >> latin fonts. Not very good for theologian! 8-( > > EFF supply a range of Ancient (and modern) Greek fonts in Acorn, Windows, and > Mac format. The full alphabet, and the prices, are shown on their site: > > www.eff.co.uk > > There are no Greek fonts on their Professional Typography CD but, on a RISC OS > system, you could always see if it's possible to make use of the Sidney font > for the odd word or two. > I have been on to EFF and they have been most helpful and a set of Ancient Greek fonts are on the way (on a floppy) . Lovely people. Thanks John Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 1 13:39:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ELekk-15H000-08-1OuD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:39:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ELekk-15H000-08-1OuD; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 10:38:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ELekk-15H000-08; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 10:38:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ELekk-0007js-63; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 10:38:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ELeki-0005ht-54; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 11:38:00 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ELdXq-0008QI-E5 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 10:20:38 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ELdXq-0008Q7-1J for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 10:20:38 +0100 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051001092033.DTWA21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:20:33 +0100 Received: from ntlworld ([81.100.203.215]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051001092033.EJWP3160.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:20:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] PNG files To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 10:19:38 +0100 Message-ID: <6e7cf2b24d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Is there an applet which allows PNG files to be loaded into OvPro without converting them to another format first? -- JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 1 13:49:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ELgkl-0SBknw-07-15rA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:49:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ELgkl-0SBknw-07-15rA; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:46:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ELgkl-0SBknw-07; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:46:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ELgkl-0003oe-Nh; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:46:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ELgki-0001Q9-SA; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:46:08 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ELgj9-0000dL-Sq for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:44:31 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ELgj9-0000dG-LW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:44:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ELgdc-000Bos-HN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:38:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:43:09 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PNG files References: <6e7cf2b24d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6e7cf2b24d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is there an applet which allows PNG files to be loaded into OvPro >without converting them to another format first? No. The problem here is not the applet, it is having a rendering engine - something like the code in RISC OS that allows JPEGs to be rendered in real time. ISTR that Techwriter lets you load PNGs. Off hand I don't know if it renders them direct, or keeps a proxy version for rendering. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 1 16:49:56 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ELjVt-4bIknw-07-1BcY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:49:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ELjVt-4bIknw-07-1BcY; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:43:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ELjVt-4bIknw-07; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:43:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ELjVt-0002HP-2d; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:43:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ELifq-00073U-Hp; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:49:14 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ELjSy-0001ow-50 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:40:00 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ELjSx-0001oq-Mc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:39:59 +0100 Received: from b-180-24-53.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.53] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1ELjSw1kjI-0002My; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:39:58 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PNG files To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:39:37 +0200 Message-ID: <724615b34d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <6e7cf2b24d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>Is there an applet which allows PNG files to be loaded into OvPro >>without converting them to another format first? > > No. > > The problem here is not the applet, it is having a rendering engine - > something like the code in RISC OS that allows JPEGs to be rendered in > real time. > > ISTR that Techwriter lets you load PNGs. Off hand I don't know if it > renders them direct, or keeps a proxy version for rendering. TechWriter expands the PNG to a sprite using pnglib when it is rendered for the first time and keeps the proxy in memory but does not save it with the document. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 1 18:50:02 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ELlSv-2suVbs-06-19fW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:50:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ELlSv-2suVbs-06-19fW; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:48:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ELlSv-2suVbs-06; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:48:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ELlSv-0001XX-Jt; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:48:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ELlSt-0005WQ-5K; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:48:03 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ELkLC-0007Sy-6Y for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:36:02 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ELkLB-0007St-To for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:36:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ELkLB-0002oR-L1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:36:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 17:34:45 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PNG files References: <6e7cf2b24d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <724615b34d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <724615b34d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >TechWriter expands the PNG to a sprite using pnglib when it is >rendered for the first time and keeps the proxy in memory but does not >save it with the document. Thanks. Ask the man who knows... I recall long ago, Alan Glover at Acorn had a discussion which centred around a good format for images, that was both compressed and allowed rendering of parts. A traditional file format like PNG requires the whole image to be unpacked. Soon after that he found this property in JPEGs and that is how we come to have the great support for them in RISC OS. AFAIK AG is working for a company that uses the wonderous JPEG support in RISC OS for video monitoring or similar. OP for Windows will let you reference alien formats. So that is pretty close to what is desired - image only expanded when needed. OP on RISC OS doesn't allow that due the limitations of the transloader system. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 1 22:40:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ELp1W-2GNGPo-07-xaP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:40:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ELp1W-2GNGPo-07-xaP; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:36:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ELp1W-2GNGPo-07; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:36:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ELp1W-0007MI-QL; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:36:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ELo8F-0001xq-FC; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:38:55 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ELozH-0002fv-6o for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 22:33:43 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ELozG-0002fj-UQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 22:33:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ELozG-000Oif-Bg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:33:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:32:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS printing problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I had a report that printing a document on an Iyonix, results in the grey background colour behind JPEG files being missed. I've tried this file on my Iyonix and it prints OK. I'd be interested if people would try printing the file and say if it prints or not. We're talking of printing to SPrinter (PostScript class printers are another story), no trees need be harmed in this experiment. This is the URL: http://www.bapfish.org.uk/examples/background.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 2 00:50:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ELr2K-1iz000-04-1Tff."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 00:50:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ELr2K-1iz000-04-1Tff; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:45:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ELr2K-1iz000-04; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:45:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ELr2K-0004PS-0T; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:45:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ELq5l-0005Ia-AT; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:44:29 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ELr07-0006Mu-Dm for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:42:43 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.187] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ELr06-0006Mm-V1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:42:43 +0100 Received: from b-180-24-36.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.36] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2ov-1ELr060856-00021A; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 01:42:42 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS printing problem To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 01:43:07 +0200 Message-ID: <6c8a41b34d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > I had a report that printing a document on an Iyonix, results in the > grey background colour behind JPEG files being missed. I've tried this > file on my Iyonix and it prints OK. > > I'd be interested if people would try printing the file and say if it > prints or not. Prints fine here including grey background to SPrinter. !Printers 1.72, RISC OS 5.09. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 2 00:50:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ELr2M-236000-01-1L97."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 00:50:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ELr2M-236000-01-1L97; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:45:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ELr2M-236000-01; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:45:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ELr2M-00068u-J7; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:45:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ELq99-000339-74; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:47:59 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ELr10-0006RP-V1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:43:38 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ELr10-0006RK-RK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:43:38 +0100 Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ELr10-0006IQ-BM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:43:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: P. C. Newble To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:43:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS printing problem Message-ID: <4db3419532mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I had a report that printing a document on an Iyonix, results in > the grey background colour behind JPEG files being missed. I've > tried this file on my Iyonix and it prints OK. > I'd be interested if people would try printing the file and say if > it prints or not. The grey text frame and the two pictures in frames on top of it all print (to sprite) fine here on an Iyonix with RISC OS 5.10 and !Printers 1.72. The picture frames knock the grey out with a 1-pixel-wide white border on some edges, because each is in a white-filled frame. Setting the picture frame colour to transparent solves that minor issue. As a side issue, it's always irritated me that the default colour of newly created frames is white -- could this be changed to transparent? I rarely need frames or pages with a solid background colour, and when I do it would be better to set it explicitly in each case. Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 2 02:30:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ELsXj-2jD000-06-12ai."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 02:30:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ELsXj-2jD000-06-12ai; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 01:21:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ELsXj-2jD000-06; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 01:21:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ELsXj-0006ST-Qj; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 01:21:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ELrb4-0005PA-KB; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 01:20:54 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ELsW5-00062B-7L for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:19:49 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ELsW4-000624-Vx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:19:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ELsQC-000Ik1-52 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 01:13:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 02:18:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS printing problem References: <4db3419532mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4db3419532mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks for the test. >!Printers 1.72. The picture frames knock the grey out with a >1-pixel-wide white border on some edges, because each is in a Yes that is a bug. It is what Chris Johnson was talking about here a week or two back. That is not what we're interested in. >As a side issue, it's always irritated me that the default colour of >newly created frames is white -- could this be changed to transparent? >I rarely need frames or pages with a solid background colour, and when >I do it would be better to set it explicitly in each case. You can fix this yourself. See page 221 in the manual, where it tells you how to change text frames in just this way. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 2 14:14:40 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ELvTE-0LSknw-07-zfD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:14:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ELvTE-0LSknw-07-zfD; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:29:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ELvTE-0LSknw-07; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:29:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ELvTE-00046k-2X; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:29:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ELuk0-0006kZ-29; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:42:20 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ELtyV-0008Nj-QF for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 03:53:15 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ELtyV-0008Nc-GQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 03:53:15 +0100 Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ELtyV-000MoA-AQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:53:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: P. C. Newble To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 03:53:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS printing problem Message-ID: <4db352f1a3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4db3419532mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4db3419532mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, P. C. Newble wrote: > > The picture frames knock the grey out with a 1-pixel-wide white > > border on some edges . . . In article , David Pilling wrote: > Yes that is a bug. It is what Chris Johnson was talking about here > a week or two back. That is not what we're interested in. Ah, fine. It's just that your original question was: > I had a report that printing a document on an Iyonix, results in > the grey background colour behind JPEG files being missed. and I wasn't sure whether you meant that an entire (grey) frame was being omitted if partly covered by a frame containing a JPEG, or that one frame was partially knocking-out another. I agree there would be no white knock-out in this case if it weren't for the bug that Chris Johnson reported on 16th September, because both JPEGs are bigger than the frames containing them. However, for an image which needs to be shown in its entirety the frame has to be as big or bigger, and obviously that's when the frame background colour becomes an issue. > >As a side issue, it's always irritated me that the default colour > >of newly created frames is white -- could this be changed to > >transparent? > You can fix this yourself. See page 221 in the manual, where it > tells you how to change text frames in just this way. Fair point: "the first object of each type in the [default] document which is not a master object is used as a prototype." I had misundersood this sentence. I've always assumed that the "Default" document was used in its entirety when a new document was created (as its name suggests) -- apart from those attributes which can be changed in the "New document" window -- so I've been using a default document containing no frames at all, and therefore nothing that could act as a prototype. I didn't realise that a frame occuring in the main body of the default document (as opposed to those in its master pages) is used ONLY as a prototype and doesn't otherwise appear when a new document is created. So now I've added a transparent frame with 0pt standoff to "Default" and newly created frames are exactly as I want them. That will save me countless F7s and ctrl-shift-Ts on new frames -- thank you! There's always something new to discover, however many times you RTFM . . . Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 2 14:14:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EM0Za-0PLVbs-06-1Bbt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:14:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EM0Za-0PLVbs-06-1Bbt; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 09:55:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EM0Za-0PLVbs-06; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 09:55:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EM0Za-0003Yu-FD; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 09:55:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ELzjT-0008KR-OM; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:02:07 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EM0Xk-0004Qr-Ub for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:54:04 +0100 Received: from [195.121.6.39] (helo=smtp16.wxs.nl) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EM0Xk-0004Qb-Hg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:54:04 +0100 Received: from iyonix (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp16.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0INQ004W98TZXE@smtp16.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:54:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:53:57 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS printing problem In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4db37976fapaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.04a (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,TONER,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear David, No problem here. (RISC OS 5.10, !Printers 1.72) My experience is that greytones may sometimes be missing as a result of the screen settings being to large (150 lpi for a 300 dpi printer, for example), which can be cured to either decrease the lpi settings or increase the tint percentage. Sometimes, greytones don't show up as a result of the new toner cartridge being a bit more economical, or as a result of printer settings, such as draft print. Again, increasing the tint percentage might help then. However, I suppose that in this case something else is going on. I love the photo's, by the way. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 2 14:14:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EM33C-41tVbs-03-1Yhp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:14:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EM33C-41tVbs-03-1Yhp; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:34:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EM33C-41tVbs-03; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:34:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EM33C-0001ob-Pa; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:34:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EM2DA-0005JM-8H; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:40:56 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EM0vy-0005wY-MQ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:19:06 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EM0vy-0005wM-9L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:19:06 +0100 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051002101905.BNUT21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:19:05 +0100 Received: from iyonix.iyonix.ntlworld.com ([213.106.195.145]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051002101905.MMCI3160.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:19:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS printing problem To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Roger Noble X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:18:55 +0100 Message-ID: <33c07bb34d.rgn@iyonix.ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > I had a report that printing a document on an Iyonix, results in the > grey background colour behind JPEG files being missed. I've tried this > file on my Iyonix and it prints OK. > > I'd be interested if people would try printing the file and say if it > prints or not. OK here as well. !Printers 1.72, RISC OS 5.10. Roger -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 2 14:24:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EM3lP-0DfGPo-02-1Xzc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:24:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EM3lP-0DfGPo-02-1Xzc; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:20:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EM3lP-0DfGPo-02; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:20:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EM3lP-0000gl-8d; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:20:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EM2vN-0008P2-Tj; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:26:37 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EM3jj-0005Pj-8U for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:18:39 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EM3jj-0005Pe-0O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:18:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EM3ji-000AoD-2C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:18:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:17:13 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS printing problem References: <4db37976fapaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4db37976fapaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >No problem here. Thanks. >My experience is that greytones may sometimes be missing as a result of the >screen settings being to large (150 lpi for a 300 dpi printer, for Such settings only apply to PostScript printing. >I love the photo's, by the way. Nowt to do with me. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 2 16:04:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EM5MY-1eTGPo-05-16ov."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:04:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EM5MY-1eTGPo-05-16ov; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:02:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EM5MY-1eTGPo-05; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:02:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EM5MY-0003HM-5C; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:02:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EM4Pv-0002LR-MT; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:02:15 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EM5L0-00081t-Lx for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:01:14 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EM5L0-00081T-8x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:01:14 +0100 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EM5Kt-00014j-Rl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:01:07 +0100 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:59:17 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS printing problem Message-ID: <1b6b95b34d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 1 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I had a report that printing a document on an Iyonix, results in the > grey background colour behind JPEG files being missed. I've tried this > file on my Iyonix and it prints OK. > > I'd be interested if people would try printing the file and say if it > prints or not. > > We're talking of printing to SPrinter (PostScript class printers are > another story), no trees need be harmed in this experiment. > > This is the URL: > > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/examples/background.zip No problem here, though I wish I could recognise the make of the motor. OPro 275 on Iyo 5.1. I have had problems in the past if an image was larger than the paper size: nothing then printed. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 2 21:24:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EMAHh-0oYknw-06-11tm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:24:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EMAHh-0oYknw-06-11tm; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:18:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EMAHh-0oYknw-06; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:18:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EMAHg-0000jE-TJ; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:18:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EM9OR-0002KH-EI; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:21:03 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EMAG2-00066r-N1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:16:26 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.23] (helo=mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMAG2-00066i-9d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:16:26 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2005 21:16:25 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,165,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="31037220:sNHT16727711" Received: from dsl-80-41-184-24.access.as9105.com ([80.41.184.24]:10666 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EMADs-0009hr-Vo for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:14:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:17:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] DPScan Message-ID: <4db3b28b55dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David, We had a chat a while back about BMP files, and you resolved that problem. However I'm still having a annoyance with some files. It goes like this... PNG out of the Win XP PC at 90 dpi loaded into DPScan and even though I have PNG set to 90 dpi in Choices-Configuration-PNG the files are aways loaded at some arbitrary, and quite silly resolution. Like 229 dpi or recently 11 dpi Jpeg out of Win XP 90 dpi displays in DPS at 35 dpi Is anyone else encountering this problem? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 2 23:05:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EMBq3-2m4knw-07-rou."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:05:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EMBq3-2m4knw-07-rou; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:57:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EMBq3-2m4knw-07; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:57:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EMBq3-0005Vc-6n; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:57:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EMAwi-0006un-CF; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:00:32 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EMBng-00026y-2F for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:55:16 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMBnf-00026t-US for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:55:15 +0100 Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EMBhm-000BCG-4c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:49:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:54:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Weird memory problem on Iyonix Message-ID: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Following my long time saga of memory corruption on the Iyonix (first discussed on the Iyonix mailing list), it's been happening quite frequently tonight, and I've reproduced it a couple of times so I may have narrowed down the problem. To recap, I've been getting random crashes, with the only visible indication being a single line (or two) of 'random' pixels horizontally across the background JPEG image. At first I suspected a faulty memory chip, but having replaced and tested the original memory, it's not that. It looks like a clash between Oregano and OvationPro, as if I have Oregano on the bar and then load OvationPro and start typing, it will invariably cause the crash within a minute or two - even after a reboot and nothing else loaded. Both on their own seem perfectly stable, so I'm wondering if it's something obscure like a dynamic memory allocation going wrong - a bit like Photodesk not loading if Oregano is already loaded, but I presume Ovation doesn't do the same check, so loads anyway, and possibly corrupts something a little while later? Has anyone any better ideas/suggestions/solutions? Paul -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing". - Edmund Burke (1729-1797) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net