From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 2 14:21:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ddi5D-0004Bw-Lt-0004C2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:21:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ddi5D-0004Bw-Lt; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:17:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ddi5D-0004Bw-Lt; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:17:31 +0000 Received: from [195.13.65.102] (helo=sh02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ddi5D-00049U-J1; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:17:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by sh02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Ddi4w-0001if-PT; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:17:14 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ddi4n-0001uX-1s; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:17:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j52134w22036 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 02:03:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j52133922032 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 02:03:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dde6x-0007Ly-0k for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:03:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 02:01:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - Creating Table of Contents and an Index References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >A far as the index goes: am I right in thinking that the indexing >applet is only available on RISCOS? Is there any other solution that >applies to OvnPro for Windows? I mentioned a few weeks ago that I had ported IdxPro to Windows. I then tried to contact the author, David Breakwell, but with no luck, perhaps not surprising given the events at argonet. So if anyone knows how to contact him I'd like to hear. I can let you have a copy of IdxPro for Windows - it is not as polished as it would have to be for a production version. After receiving no response I did no more work on it. Someone was showing me a manual for IdxPro they had written recently, perhaps that would help. My inclination, is that OP for Windows will have an indexing system based on styles (IdxPro is bookmark based). However that is for the future. There is a contents applet, I'd be happy enough to port that to Windows. I suspect it is not a very big task and could be done soon. >I realise I could export to OvnPro on RISCOS, and create the index >there (although I am a complete beginner as far as the IdxPro Applet >goes). If I do that, I am a little worried about page boundary shifts >caused by font substitution. Are there other problems with such an >approach? Well if your fonts match there will be no changes to how text flows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 2 14:21:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ddi7m-0007XC-QS-0007Z2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:21:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ddi7m-0007XC-QS; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:20:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ddi7m-0007XC-QS; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:20:10 +0000 Received: from [195.13.65.101] (helo=sh01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ddi7m-0006Re-11; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:20:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by sh01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Ddi7S-0002Hr-LG; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:19:50 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ddi6X-0002TX-0E; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:18:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j52155522296 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 02:05:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j52155822293 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 02:05:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dde8v-000JOs-Dm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:05:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 02:03:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - Mice with scroll wheels References: <1h0s91djkodtveevntor0akhceiqqpfn1n@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <1h0s91djkodtveevntor0akhceiqqpfn1n@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >However, I discovered that with some software, including XaraX1, if >you hold down the CTRL key you can zoom in/out with the scroll wheel. Thanks. I will investigate. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 2 19:42:07 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DduXg-0005Dn-DN-0005E9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:42:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DduXg-0005Dn-DN; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:35:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DduXg-0005Dn-DN; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:35:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DduXf-0002Oh-Td; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:35:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DduVw-0005kl-Hp; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:33:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j52D0c409763 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:00:38 +0100 Received: from mra05.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra05.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j52D0bO09754 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:00:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra05.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE5DD4AC3 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:00:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra05.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra05.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08841-01-4 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:00:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from MartinRPC.heleigh.org.uk (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra05.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AF2D43B4 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:00:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - Creating Table of Contents and an Index To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:00:13 +0100 Message-ID: <6388b6744d.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>A far as the index goes: am I right in thinking that the indexing >>applet is only available on RISCOS? Is there any other solution that >>applies to OvnPro for Windows? > > I mentioned a few weeks ago that I had ported IdxPro to Windows. > > I then tried to contact the author, David Breakwell, but with no luck, > perhaps not surprising given the events at argonet. So if anyone knows > how to contact him I'd like to hear. > David's snail-mail address is given in !MakeRTF. It is: 13 Monk's Crescent, Addlestone, Surrey KT15 1UX Martin -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 2 20:42:10 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DdvVR-0000bS-Cz-0000cO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:42:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DdvVR-0000bS-Cz; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:37:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DdvVR-0000bS-Cz; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:37:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DdvVQ-0004Od-RF; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:37:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DdvUv-00079y-Jj; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:36:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j52FMvY06753 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:22:57 +0100 Received: from smtp004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.35]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j52FMuc06750 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:22:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 24933 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 15:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.63.237 with login) by smtp004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2005 15:22:52 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - Creating Table of Contents and an Index Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:22:46 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: <1e7u91pgiua19eg8gukhkm5pn9655pe4m8@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j52FMuc06751 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_FORTE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 02:01:51 +0100, you wrote: >I mentioned a few weeks ago that I had ported IdxPro to Windows. > [snip] >I can let you have a copy of IdxPro for Windows - it is not as polished >as it would have to be for a production version. After receiving no >response I did no more work on it. I would very much appreciate a copy. >Someone was showing me a manual for IdxPro they had written recently, >perhaps that would help. A manual would be a great help. Can you point me to where I might get it? >There is a contents applet, I'd be happy enough to port that to Windows. >I suspect it is not a very big task and could be done soon. It would be very helpful, but, on the other hand, it's not really a big task to create the TOC by hand, and I would not want to impact other work-on-hand. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 3 00:32:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ddz2q-0007CJ-Ar-0007Ck."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 00:32:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ddz2q-0007CJ-Ar; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:24:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ddz2q-0007CJ-Ar; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:24:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ddz2q-0001FY-6e; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:24:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ddz1y-0007Xv-EU; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 00:23:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j52J6lU08641 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:06:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j52J6kn08638 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:06:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ddv1i-000Gtn-7z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:06:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:05:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - Creating Table of Contents and an Index References: <6388b6744d.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <6388b6744d.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >David's snail-mail address is given in !MakeRTF. It is: >13 Monk's Crescent, Addlestone, Surrey KT15 1UX Thanks. I hadn't thought of that 8-) (always feel it is a defeat sending a letter saying "tell me your email address"). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 4 02:04:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DeMyR-0002hP-9H-0002ho."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 02:04:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DeMyR-0002hP-9H; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 00:57:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeMyR-0002hP-9H; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 00:57:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeMyR-00078H-Lu; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 00:57:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DeMxl-0000DX-G6; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:56:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j53KiB607166 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:44:11 +0100 Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-07.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j53KiBu07162 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:44:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.9.45) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.0.043) id 428A5F7F000ED9B1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:44:10 +0200 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:34:58 +0100 From: JMAH van Vredenburch To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - Creating Table of Contents and an Index Message-ID: <227f69754d.janvred@smile.ch> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) A temporary reply. What follows is strictly based on the RiscOS version of OvPro. In message you wrote: snip some > > I need to create a TOC at the beginning of each issue, and I would > like to create a master index covering all the issues (back to 1987 if > I can). > > I can build the TOCs manually; although I would love an automated > solution. For this you can use the !Contents applet. I find it very stable. > > A far as the index goes: am I right in thinking that the indexing > applet is only available on RISCOS? Is there any other solution that > applies to OvnPro for Windows? I believe David Pilling is looking for a solution for the Win version. > I realise I could export to OvnPro on RISCOS, and create the index > there (although I am a complete beginner as far as the IdxPro Applet > goes). ....... There is a first version of a Guide for this applet. It is actually being rewritten as there was a possible technical difficulty to be avoided to mention early in this Guide. This meant a rewrite but also showed some other problems. These must still be clearly analyzed. > .......If I do that, I am a little worried about page boundary shifts > caused by font substitution. ......... Thank you for the hint. This aspect needs thorough examination. Especially as I experienced that bookmarks had moved after moving/deleting text during the rewrite mentioned above. > ......... Are there other problems with such an > approach? In principle not, I would say. That is, once you've mastered how IdxPro functions ;-) I expect the Guide to be available shortly (1-3 weeks). By the way. Can you give me an idea of the size of the Index you have in mind? Is it one index for all the 18 years or an index per year that you have in mind? (Probably depends on the size of the booklet.) JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 4 13:50:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DeW8n-0003Oh-Gw-0003PK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:50:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DeW8n-0003Oh-Gw; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:44:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeW8n-0003Oh-Gw; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:44:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeW8n-0000xE-34; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:44:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DeW8A-0002pf-F6; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:43:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j546VF411271 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 07:31:15 +0100 Received: from smta10.mail.ozemail.net (smta10.mail.ozemail.net [203.103.165.140]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j546VEr11266 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 07:31:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix.mcelroy.com.au ([210.84.231.195]) by smta10.mail.ozemail.net with ESMTP id <20050604063111.GHDM19720.smta10.mail.ozemail.net@Iyonix.mcelroy.com.au> for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:31:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:03:33 +0930 From: Barrie McElroy To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OPro (RO): Increase font size - ^+> Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) For years I have been able to use Control + Right Arrow (^+>) to increase font size by 1 pt. (And ^+< to decrease). My current version of OPro is 2.75 and while there is an obvious 'flick' of the highlighted text nothing happens. I cannot remember when it stopped working. Have I accidentally turned something off? Has the function changed with the development of the Windows version? I think that the key combination does something different there. Regards Barrie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 4 14:20:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DeYW1-0000Lq-MY-0000MV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:20:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DeYW1-0000Lq-MY; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:16:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeYW1-0000Lq-MY; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:16:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeYW1-0006aW-Ju; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:16:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DeYVN-0004sM-Li; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 14:16:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5495KA19845 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:05:20 +0100 Received: from smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j5495Jr19831 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:05:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 83153 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 09:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.63.237 with login) by smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 09:05:19 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - Creating Table of Contents and an Index Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:05:13 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: References: <227f69754d.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <227f69754d.janvred@smile.ch> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j5495Kr19836 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_FORTE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:34:58 +0100, you wrote: >I expect the [IDxPro] Guide to be available shortly (1-3 weeks) That's is good news. I will look forward to it. David has sent me a Windows Pro version of IdxPro. >By the way. Can you give me an idea of the size of the Index you have in >mind? Is it one index for all the 18 years or an index per year that you >have in mind? (Probably depends on the size of the booklet.) The single index will cover the entire 18 years. The individual magazines are small enough that a table of contents should suffice, although the plans are not yet set in concrete, and it is still possible that I will add an individual index to each issue to fill the gaps between updated distributions of the master index - at least some of the readership would not be able to download updates from a website, and would rely on hardcopy. Thanks for your help. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 4 16:10:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DeaCt-0003Tr-Cg-0003Ua."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:10:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DeaCt-0003Tr-Cg; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:05:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeaCt-0003Tr-Cg; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:05:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeaCt-0006Gt-PU; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:05:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DeaCN-00080U-Bf; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:04:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j54AsRA16947 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:54:27 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j54AsR016943 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:54:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-191-92.access.as9105.com ([80.41.191.92]:10797 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DeWIN-000EeC-6f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:54:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:55:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro (RO): Increase font size - ^+> Message-ID: <4d75b2c347dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Barrie McElroy wrote: > For years I have been able to use Control + Right Arrow (^+>) to > increase font size by 1 pt. (And ^+< to decrease). > My current version of OPro is 2.75 and while there is an obvious 'flick' > of the highlighted text nothing happens. I cannot remember when it > stopped working. Have I accidentally turned something off? Has the > function changed with the development of the Windows version? I think > that the key combination does something different there. > Regards > Barrie It still works here SARPC RO 4.39 OvPro 2.75 Remember you have to hilight the text you want to change otherwise it won't work. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 4 20:20:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DeeCD-0007Z9-I6-0007Za."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:20:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DeeCD-0007Z9-I6; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:20:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeeCD-0007Z9-I6; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:20:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeeCD-0002v9-Eh; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:20:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DeeC1-00022c-Rc; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:20:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j54FAPu02996 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:10:25 +0100 Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (213-161-67-234.available.lhr.above.net [213.161.67.234] (may be forged)) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j54FAPD02993 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:10:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl213-218-239-212.as15444.net [213.218.239.212]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j54FAITL026401 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:10:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:12:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Impression to OPro Message-ID: <4d75ca4e68ray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.096, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.05, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Another current thread prompts this query. Is there any general advice (or good tips) about what to avoid in an Impression document in order to maximise the chances of 'perfection' in the conversion to OPro? I ask because I am a frequent user of this excellent conversion facility but I don't think I have ever achieved a perfect copy when doing a longish document (say, >20 pages) containing embedded graphics. (I always use Homerton and/or Trinity fonts.) The differences are admittedly minor, but there is always a few e.g. some text not formatting to exactly the same line breaks; some embedded graphics appearing in slightly different scale/position (in turn leading to following text lines being in different position and/or different line breaks). Because of this I find that my standard procedure now is to scroll rapidly to the end of a newly converted document to check that the end looks the same in both. This usually reveals a different final page number (73 instead of 71 in my most recent exercise) - or simply more/less space on the last page if I am lucky. I then track back and forth to find where the difference(s) have occurred, and correct any that I feel worthwhile. This process is rarely time consuming I haven't carried out an exhaustive study to be able to be sure what is happening when I do come across a difference but I suspect that the original positioning and/or scaling of embedded graphics might be one issue; and the precise method of using in Impression another. I stress that I regard this as a very minor price to pay for a really excellent conversion facility - but it would be nice to learn how to do it better if there are some do's and dont's. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 4 21:20:46 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Def13-000363-IZ-00036v."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:20:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Def13-000363-IZ; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:13:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Def13-000363-IZ; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:13:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Def13-00065t-8n; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:13:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Def0v-0008Hs-PM; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:13:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j54Fwd519287 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:58:39 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j54Fwdx19283 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:58:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.25.17] (helo=myriscpc.nom) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1Deb2l-00028w-Ad for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:58:39 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:58:26 +0100 (BST) From: Arthur Taylor Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro (RO): Increase font size - ^+> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor @ home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sat 04 Jun, Barrie McElroy wrote: > For years I have been able to use Control + Right Arrow (^+>) to > increase font size by 1 pt. (And ^+< to decrease). > > My current version of OPro is 2.75 and while there is an obvious 'flick' > of the highlighted text nothing happens. I cannot remember when it > stopped working. Have I accidentally turned something off? Has the > function changed with the development of the Windows version? I think > that the key combination does something different there. > Works OK here in 2.75, assuming by 'arrow' you mean the 'less than' and 'greater than' characters over the , and . ones. Selected text is increased or decreased in size or if none is selected, any newly entered text after the cursor is so treated. Mind you, you had me puzzled for the moment as I took it literally and tried it with the cursor arrow keys ;-) Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 4 22:00:47 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Defch-000775-H9-00077o."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:00:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Defch-000775-H9; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:52:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Defch-000775-H9; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:52:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Defch-000397-51; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:52:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DefcY-0002rn-BS; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:51:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j54Gg4n02773 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:42:04 +0100 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j54Gg4k02768 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:42:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050604164200.GFOK6745.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:42:00 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050604164200.PVYH15401.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:42:00 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:35:04 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro (RO): Increase font size - ^+> To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4d75b2c347dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sat 04 Jun, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Barrie McElroy wrote: > > For years I have been able to use Control + Right Arrow (^+>) to > > increase font size by 1 pt. (And ^+< to decrease). > > > My current version of OPro is 2.75 and while there is an obvious 'flick' > > of the highlighted text nothing happens. I cannot remember when it > > stopped working. Have I accidentally turned something off? Has the > > function changed with the development of the Windows version? I think > > that the key combination does something different there. > > > Regards > > Barrie > > It still works here SARPC RO 4.39 OvPro 2.75 > > Remember you have to hilight the text you want to change otherwise it > won't work. Works here also SARPC RO4.39 OPro2.75. Also worth remembering that Shift-Control-> and Shift-Control-< change the text size in steps as the sizes in the menus and continuing in 12pt steps up to 120pt. I wonder whether Barrie has used control-> and control-< for other macros or styles which over-ride the default bahaviour? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 4 23:10:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Deghl-00053n-Bb-00054G."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 23:10:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Deghl-00053n-Bb; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:01:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Deghl-00053n-Bb; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:01:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Deghl-0005s7-Em; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:01:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Degdw-0003jZ-LC; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:57:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j54HlS722544 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:47:28 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j54HlSh22541 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:47:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.174.200.149] (helo=webserver.etcnet) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1Deck3-0000QD-RG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:47:28 +0100 Received: from client.etcnet [10.0.128.3] by webserver.etcnet with smtp (ANTmail1.32); id sm1a5c89e; Sat, 04 Jun 05 17:36 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:36:30 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Lawton Subject: [softwarelist] Sparkplug 2.28 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Well I could tell you if you ask nicely :) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've just used this to unpack a zip file with filenames inside the archive of the form abcde.xyz When unpacked this becomes abcde_xyz. On 2.26 the unpacked name is abcde/xyz, which is what I would expect. This happens on both ROS 3.71 & 4.02, I haven't been able to check on the Iyonix ATM. Comments ? Dave -- A sig will appear here when normal service is resumed :) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jun 5 00:40:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dei7N-0003FS-8x-0003GW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 00:40:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dei7N-0003FS-8x; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:31:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dei7N-0003FS-8x; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:31:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dei7N-00043s-IN; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:31:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dei7E-0001FD-Rw; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 00:31:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j54JLrC08320 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:21:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j54JLrb08317 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:21:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DeeDQ-000OM1-Ep for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:21:52 +0000 Message-ID: <0Q0$IFBN8foCFwE3@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:20:45 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro (RO): Increase font size - ^+> References: <4d75b2c347dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d75b2c347dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Remember you have to hilight the text you want to change otherwise it >won't work. If there is no marked text then it sets what the next thing you type will be in. This is like other effects, e.g. you click on Bold, then nothing happens until you type some text etc. I'm a bit puzzled by the comment that the screen refreshes but "nothing happens" - obviously something is happening, possibly not what is expected. I'd be inclined to try the key presses (with some marked text) and then open the text effects window (F6) and see what the values are. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jun 5 00:40:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DeiE4-0001LC-3h-0001LY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 00:40:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DeiE4-0001LC-3h; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:38:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeiE4-0001LC-3h; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:38:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DeiE3-0002sg-V6; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:38:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DeiDr-00020E-6J; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 00:38:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j54JSkS09637 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:28:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j54JSk709634 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:28:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DeeK3-000CYb-8Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:28:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:27:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Impression to OPro References: <4d75ca4e68ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d75ca4e68ray@rayfavre.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is there any general advice (or good tips) about what to avoid in an >Impression document in order to maximise the chances of 'perfection' >in the conversion to OPro? Problem is once you start on the incompatibilities the list becomes rather long. I suppose one might even expect differences between different versions of Impression. As I recall the big differences are: (1) no "repeating" frames (2) no conversion of borders Someone recently pointed out that soft hyphens are not mapped across. I vaguely recall some problems with text not flowing exactly into the same space. I might have mentioned this in the documentation or perhaps in this mail list at the time (mid 2000). As I mentioned a few weeks back the entire OP Windows CD contents are available on my web site now. That includes the mail list archive since 1996, and it is now in the form of text files (not zips), so any day now you'll be able to Google it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jun 5 01:10:56 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Deibq-0000Yn-Rc-0000ZC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 01:10:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Deibq-0000Yn-Rc; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 00:03:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Deibq-0000Yn-Rc; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 00:03:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Deibq-00064S-9b; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 00:03:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Deibh-0004xm-OE; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 01:03:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j54JngX13403 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:49:42 +0100 Received: from smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.33]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j54Jngj13398 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:49:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 14047 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 19:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.63.237 with login) by smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2005 19:49:37 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18-April-05) - Problems with adjusting tabs Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:49:40 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: <5e14a1p010nlh2t7qfcu6ssefo3u6qfrfg@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j54Jngj13400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HAS_ORGANIZATION,USER_AGENT_FORTE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I having the following two problems adjusting tabs: First Problem (I think this must be a bug): Select a block of text and press CTRL TAB to pop-up the tabs dialog. Select an existing tab on the ruler (it changes colour to red). Enter a new setting for it in the position box (e.g., change say 6mm to 10mm). Click on OK. The dialog disappears but the tab is not changed. However, if you repeat the same procedure, but instead of overtyping the '6mm' with '10mm', click on the up-down control arrows next to position box - four clicks on the up arrow to change '6mm' to '10mm' - and click on OK: it works and the new tab position takes effect. Second Problem (perhaps a bug, perhaps I don't understand): Take a block of text over which a common set of tab settings are in effect. Paste some more text in immediately after this block. This has default tabs settings. Now to try and extend the common set of tabs over the added text. Select the entire block of text, both old and new. Press CTRL-TAB to bring up the tab dialog. It shows the tabs settings as for the original block. However, pressing OK, or selecting individual tabs and then pressing OK, does not set tabs for the new text even though it is selected. If you alter *one* of the tabs by clicking on the up-down control and click OK, then all the settings take effect on both old and new text. If you alter *one* of the tabs with the up-down control (say from 6mm to 7mm) and then immediately back (from 7mm to 6mm) before clicking on OK, then, again, the settings do not effect the new text. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jun 5 02:31:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dejpv-000396-7u-00039h."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 02:31:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dejpv-000396-7u; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 01:22:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dejpv-000396-7u; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 01:21:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dejpv-0001Pe-9H; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 01:21:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dejp5-0006Ur-4J; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:21:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j54L6QO28984 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:06:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j54L6PA28981 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:06:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Defqb-000PvQ-0l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:06:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:10:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Impression to OPro Message-ID: <4d75eb0dd9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d75ca4e68ray@rayfavre.me.uk> References: <4d75ca4e68ray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d75ca4e68ray@rayfavre.me.uk>, Ray Favre wrote: > Another current thread prompts this query. > Is there any general advice (or good tips) about what to avoid in an > Impression document in order to maximise the chances of 'perfection' > in the conversion to OPro? > I ask because I am a frequent user of this excellent conversion > facility but I don't think I have ever achieved a perfect copy when > doing a longish document (say, >20 pages) containing embedded > graphics. (I always use Homerton and/or Trinity fonts.) > The differences are admittedly minor, but there is always a few e.g. > some text not formatting to exactly the same line breaks; some > embedded graphics appearing in slightly different scale/position (in > turn leading to following text lines being in different position > and/or different line breaks). [Snip] Is it caused by differences in the borders for the frames? -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Del5d-0001NY-CF-0001Nv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Del5d-0001NY-CF; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:42:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Del5d-0001NY-CF; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:42:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Del5d-0001GT-Ki; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:42:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Del4r-0006kM-To; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 03:41:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j54MVXH12030 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 23:31:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j54MVXh12025 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 23:31:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DehAz-000DIp-9q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:31:33 +0000 Message-ID: <7MP8$$EjtioCFw1U@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 23:29:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Sparkplug 2.28 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >When unpacked this becomes abcde_xyz. >On 2.26 the unpacked name is abcde/xyz, which is what I would >expect. This happens on both ROS 3.71 & 4.02, I haven't been >able to check on the Iyonix ATM. I trust anyone with an Iyonix will use the (read only) copy of SparkFS that is bundled with it. Spark or SparkPlug has a file called "Options" inside it. One of the things stored in that file is the character used to separate filenames and extensions. If you look at the file in Edit you will see "_" near the end and you can change it to what you want. I guess / is better, that is the default in the code, so another way to get / it is to delete the options file. My use of "_" is not necessarily intentional. The "_" came about in 1988 long before Acorn decided to use /. I was interested to read my web site stats for SparkPlug downloads in May: 168: 2.37%: 31/May/05 22:03: /splug28.arc 154: 1.65%: 31/May/05 20:45: /splug.arc Are there really more than 154 new RISC OS users every month? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:06 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Denee-0006po-Fp-0006q3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Denee-0006po-Fp; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 05:26:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Denee-0006po-Fp; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 05:26:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Denee-0006Xv-Mo; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 05:26:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dene3-0000xU-4m; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:25:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j551BWd09152 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 02:11:32 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j551BWI09146 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 02:11:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dejfn-0005IM-LM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 01:11:31 +0000 Message-ID: <+beNqTGmDloCFwEr@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 02:09:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18-April-05) - Problems with adjusting tabs References: <5e14a1p010nlh2t7qfcu6ssefo3u6qfrfg@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <5e14a1p010nlh2t7qfcu6ssefo3u6qfrfg@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I having the following two problems adjusting tabs: Interesting points. >First Problem (I think this must be a bug): I think there has been a long running problem here, in that one wants return to set the tab position, but usually return closes windows. All this goes back to RISC OS. What you've described does not sound right. I'll see about fixing it. However this history may explain why things are as they are. >Second Problem (perhaps a bug, perhaps I don't understand): Sounds wrong to me. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DerIF-000385-PE-00038V."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DerIF-000385-PE; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:19:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DerIF-000385-PE; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:19:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DerIF-0003Vi-Ll; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:19:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DerHl-0000JN-5w; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 10:19:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5555CP23133 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 06:05:12 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5555Bn23130 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 06:05:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-190-27.access.as9105.com ([80.41.190.27]:10110 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DenJv-000BSP-Ca for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:05:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 06:05:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression to OPro Message-ID: <4d76169e6edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4d75ca4e68ray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > As I mentioned a few weeks back the entire OP Windows CD contents are > available on my web site now. That includes the mail list archive since > 1996, and it is now in the form of text files (not zips), so any day now > you'll be able to Google it. Sorry but I've obviously not been paying attention, having medical matters to worry about... Thought I've paid for OvPro Windows, and obviously my downloaded copy is now registered, I've never seen or had a CD, so the above means exactly what? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DetSB-00047x-HF-00048I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DetSB-00047x-HF; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:38:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DetSB-00047x-HF; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:38:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DetSB-0003AS-6J; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:38:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DetRZ-0007Gg-OS; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:37:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j557Lio10691 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:21:44 +0100 Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j557LiQ10687 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:21:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-208-141.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.208.141]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1A0E0007C3 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:21:43 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 08:21:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Sparkplug 2.28 Message-ID: <4d76230a57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <7MP8$$EjtioCFw1U@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <7MP8$$EjtioCFw1U@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 04 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > I was interested to read my web site stats for SparkPlug downloads in > May: > 168: 2.37%: 31/May/05 22:03: /splug28.arc > 154: 1.65%: 31/May/05 20:45: /splug.arc > Are there really more than 154 new RISC OS users every month? Given the increased use of VA word is bound to get out. So people using a freebie version of VA, commonly known as Red Squirrel, on just 0.001 per cent of the PC's in the world is bound to clock up a few. Whether they carry on or just twiddle with the pretty screens and then move onto the latest "Counterstrike" or "Guild Wars" or whatever amuses would be the real test. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Deti2-0002iA-8L-0002ie."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Deti2-0002iA-8L; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:54:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Deti2-0002iA-8L; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:54:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Deti2-0003yU-Do; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:54:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dethk-0005AI-Aa; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:54:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j54FTLb06127 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:29:21 +0100 Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (213-161-67-234.available.lhr.above.net [213.161.67.234] (may be forged)) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j54FTL106122 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:29:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl213-218-239-212.as15444.net [213.218.239.212]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j54FTIVi027505 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:29:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:31:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Impression to OPro Message-ID: <4d75cc0ba0ray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.094, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Oops, sorry! I forgot to add a couple of points to my first posting. a) In case it's relevant, I rarely use Effects. Everything is in Styles. b) I have learned to cope with one 'feature'. If the Impression document uses a Double-Page-Spread (i.e. left and right pages) and the text of a particular chapter ends on the first side of a pair, then Impression displays the second side as a blank page (which continues the page numbering). However, on conversion the OPro document does not show the empty page and this will certainly affect page numbering. I have learned to pad out the end of such chapters in Impression with until the caret is on the second sheet of the pair. OPro then shows the second sheet. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dewu3-0003On-Df-0003PR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dewu3-0003On-Df; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 15:19:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dewu3-0003On-Df; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 15:19:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dewu2-0006Bk-TP; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 15:19:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dewtl-00031g-Kr; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:18:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j558S0B20809 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 09:28:00 +0100 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j558Rxd20805 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 09:27:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050605082755.QIPR6745.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 09:27:55 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050605082755.ULQO15401.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 09:27:55 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 09:22:46 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18-April-05) - Problems with adjusting tabs To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <+beNqTGmDloCFwEr@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sun 05 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > >I having the following two problems adjusting tabs: > > Interesting points. > > >First Problem (I think this must be a bug): > > I think there has been a long running problem here, in that one wants > return to set the tab position, but usually return closes windows. All > this goes back to RISC OS. What you've described does not sound right. > I'll see about fixing it. However this history may explain why things > are as they are. > It is obviously necessary to have a mechanism to tell the program to work with the figures in the box, the bump buttons do this but typing numbers in needs an extra something. In the RISC OS version it is always necessary to press Return after typing the tab position for it to be placed or moved. Subsequently clicking the OK button actually sets them as expected. Some Windows apps work in a similar way by having an Add or Update button in the dialogue box, while OK is the default button which takes effect when Return is pressed. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Df1E2-000007-Hv-00000X."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Df1E2-000007-Hv; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:56:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Df1E2-000007-Hv; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:56:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Df1E2-00040w-9q; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:56:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Df1Dd-0003EM-BK; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:55:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j55Ffen16512 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:41:40 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j55Ffe816508 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:41:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from b-180-25-130.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.25.130] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1DexFr2i6P-0004Fk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 17:41:39 +0200 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 17:22:13 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Impression to OPro Message-ID: References: <4d75ca4e68ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >Is there any general advice (or good tips) about what to avoid in an > >Impression document in order to maximise the chances of 'perfection' > >in the conversion to OPro? > > Problem is once you start on the incompatibilities the list becomes > rather long. I suppose one might even expect differences between > different versions of Impression. > > As I recall the big differences are: > > (1) no "repeating" frames > > (2) no conversion of borders If I remember correctly there is also a tiny difference in where the baseline of the first line of text in a frame is placed - this can easily lead to text overflowing a frame in OPro even though it fitted in Impression. There is no way to avoid this: The two applications simply have different rules about the placement of the first baseline. In theory, the conversion could adjust the vertical size of the frame to compensate for the difference, but this would cause confusion, in particular for frames with a background colour that are meant to be aligned with other graphical objects. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Df1M3-0000ft-Ei-0000gY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Df1M3-0000ft-Ei; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:04:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Df1M3-0000ft-Ei; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:04:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Df1M3-0002Pv-DH; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:04:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Df1Lr-0004iz-KN; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:04:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j55Fnss18441 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:49:54 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j55FnsU18435 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 16:49:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from b-180-25-130.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.25.130] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1DexNo1N78-0005hO; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 17:49:52 +0200 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 17:50:03 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Sparkplug 2.28 Message-ID: <059751764d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7MP8$$EjtioCFw1U@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7MP8$$EjtioCFw1U@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <7MP8$$EjtioCFw1U@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >When unpacked this becomes abcde_xyz. > >On 2.26 the unpacked name is abcde/xyz, which is what I would > >expect. This happens on both ROS 3.71 & 4.02, I haven't been > >able to check on the Iyonix ATM. > > I trust anyone with an Iyonix will use the (read only) copy of SparkFS > that is bundled with it. > > Spark or SparkPlug has a file called "Options" inside it. One of the > things stored in that file is the character used to separate filenames > and extensions. > > If you look at the file in Edit you will see "_" near the end and you > can change it to what you want. > > I guess / is better, that is the default in the code, so another way to > get / it is to delete the options file. My use of "_" is not necessarily > intentional. > > The "_" came about in 1988 long before Acorn decided to use /. True, but by now, "/" is the standard, and it would be very good if SparkPlug, with its factory settings, would use that - I do not even see a reason why anyone should be able to change it. The current behaviour causes problems for other software developers. ArtWorks, for instance, has a file containing "/". When I create the ArtWorks archive here, SparkFS turns this into "." inside the archive. So, when a user installs ArtWorks, the file is now called differently, depending on whether SparkFS or SparkPlug is used. In an early version of ArtWorks 2.3, this meant that ArtWorks crashed when being upacked with SparkPlug and it took some effort to find out why. It would be easy enough for ArtWorks to not have files with that special character, but there are lots of Unix ports nowadays which cannot avoid it and really rely on "." to be mapped to "/". Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Df3a8-00027i-8X-00028F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Df3a8-00027i-8X; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:27:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Df3a8-00027i-8X; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:27:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Df3a8-0005Fb-FV; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:27:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Df3Zf-0001Lq-4k; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:26:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j55IAK316409 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:10:20 +0100 Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j55IAK216405 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:10:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.174.202.136] (helo=webserver.etcnet) by pih-relay05.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1DezZf-0007gz-CM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:10:15 +0100 Received: from client.etcnet [10.0.128.75] by webserver.etcnet with smtp (ANTmail1.32); id sm1a91cd6; Sun, 05 Jun 05 17:59 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 18:00:28 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Lawton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sparkplug 2.28 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <7MP8$$EjtioCFw1U@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Well I could tell you if you ask nicely :) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sat 04 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > >When unpacked this becomes abcde_xyz. > >On 2.26 the unpacked name is abcde/xyz, which is what I would > >expect. This happens on both ROS 3.71 & 4.02, I haven't been > >able to check on the Iyonix ATM. > > I trust anyone with an Iyonix will use the (read only) copy of SparkFS > that is bundled with it. > > Spark or SparkPlug has a file called "Options" inside it. One of the > things stored in that file is the character used to separate filenames > and extensions. > > If you look at the file in Edit you will see "_" near the end and you > can change it to what you want. > > I guess / is better, that is the default in the code, so another way to > get / it is to delete the options file. My use of "_" is not necessarily > intentional. > > The "_" came about in 1988 long before Acorn decided to use /. As always, an informative reply. Precisely what was causing my problem. > I was interested to read my web site stats for SparkPlug downloads in > May: > > 168: 2.37%: 31/May/05 22:03: /splug28.arc > 154: 1.65%: 31/May/05 20:45: /splug.arc > > Are there really more than 154 new RISC OS users every month? > Perhaps after Wakefield. Thanks David David -- A sig will appear here when normal service is resumed :) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Df4mz-0007Yr-P6-0007aU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Df4mz-0007Yr-P6; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:44:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Df4mz-0007Yr-P6; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:44:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Df4mz-0002VX-JP; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:44:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Df4mY-0003hf-Fa; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:43:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j55JTrJ08370 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:29:53 +0100 Received: from smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j55JTr208367 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:29:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 80901 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 19:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.63.237 with login) by smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 19:29:47 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18-April-05) - Another weirdy with adjusting tabs Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:29:54 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j55JTr208368 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,HAS_ORGANIZATION,USER_AGENT_FORTE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) It must be my week for having trouble with tabs - or more accurately the margin markers in the Tabs dialog. If I select (mark) a (vertically) long block of text, hit CTRL+TAB to bring up the tab dialog, and then click on the left indent mark (wanting in the most recent case to adjust left and right indents), whoosh, off I go to the top of the document. I scroll back to where I was, the marker is now shown in red (selected), I click on it and slide it to where I want it to go, and everything is fine. It does not always happen - I think it is when the beginning of the selected text is off the screen on a preceding page. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Df9F7-0002kq-Bg-0002lA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Df9F7-0002kq-Bg; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 04:29:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Df9F7-0002kq-Bg; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 04:29:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Df9F7-0003nV-Ff; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 04:29:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Df9Dg-0000pT-VS; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 05:28:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j560CYT11900 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 01:12:34 +0100 Received: from smta04.mail.ozemail.net (smta04.mail.ozemail.net [203.103.165.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j560CWt11893 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 01:12:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix.mcelroy.com.au ([210.84.238.81]) by smta04.mail.ozemail.net with ESMTP id <20050606001229.FDU27002.smta04.mail.ozemail.net@Iyonix.mcelroy.com.au> for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 00:12:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:44:54 +0930 From: Barrie McElroy To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro (RO): Increase font size - ^+> Message-ID: <5bcf7f764d.Barrie@mcelroy.com.au> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Arthur Taylor wrote: > In on Sat 04 Jun, Barrie McElroy wrote: > > For years I have been able to use Control + Right Arrow (^+>) to > > increase font size by 1 pt. (And ^+< to decrease). > > [snip] > > Works OK here in 2.75, assuming by 'arrow' you mean the 'less than' and > 'greater than' characters over the , and . ones. Selected text is increased > or decreased in size or if none is selected, any newly entered text after > the cursor is so treated. Mind you, you had me puzzled for the moment as I > took it literally and tried it with the cursor arrow keys ;-) > I too am puzzled by my silly appellation. My problem is that the key combination works with line width and for font when no text is highlighted, but not with highlighted text. Regards Barrie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:42 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DfDBX-0004JK-Bf-0004KR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DfDBX-0004JK-Bf; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:42:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfDBX-0004JK-Bf; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:42:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfDBX-0006cX-Dj; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:42:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DfDBC-00031m-PO; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:41:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j564RIB32448 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:27:18 +0100 Received: from smta08.mail.ozemail.net (smta08.mail.ozemail.net [203.103.165.120]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j564RGO32437 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:27:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix.mcelroy.com.au ([210.84.238.81]) by smta08.mail.ozemail.net with ESMTP id <20050606042714.JZRJ1736.smta08.mail.ozemail.net@Iyonix.mcelroy.com.au> for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:27:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:59:47 +0930 From: Barrie McElroy To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro (RO): Increase font size - ^+> Message-ID: <1b2597764d.Barrie@mcelroy.com.au> References: <4d75b2c347dfs@ukgateway.net> <0Q0$IFBN8foCFwE3@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0Q0$IFBN8foCFwE3@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <0Q0$IFBN8foCFwE3@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >Remember you have to hilight the text you want to change otherwise it > >won't work. > > If there is no marked text then it sets what the next thing you type > will be in. > Yes. That works. As did increasing line width using the same key combinations. Sorry, I should have said earlier, but was trying to be succinct. Just highlighted text was not changed.. > I'm a bit puzzled by the comment that the screen refreshes but "nothing > happens" - obviously something is happening, possibly not what is > expected. > True. "nothing changed" would be more precise I guess. > I'd be inclined to try the key presses (with some marked text) and then > open the text effects window (F6) and see what the values are. > No change there either. Thanks to all for the helpful suggestions. None actually helped directly. For instance I had not made a macro that clashed. I stopped anything loading at Boot. Still nothing. When I removed all of the applets the problem was cured. I began a systematic checking of all the many applets. (Not one at a time of course!) Finally it was traced to 'THe' v1.77. I found and installed v1.79 and all is now well. I assume that I forgot to use the installer when I transferred Ov Pro to my new Iyonix last year. Perhaps that & my 'arrows' proves I am over the hill. Thanks again, Barrie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DfJ2u-000210-5B-00021z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DfJ2u-000210-5B; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:57:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfJ2u-000210-5B; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:57:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfJ2u-0007Ai-Cr; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:57:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DfJ2T-0007B7-UZ; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:57:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j56AgnS12469 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:42:49 +0100 Received: from smtp30.hccnet.nl (smtp30.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j56AgnC12455 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:42:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from rpc2.theestruik by smtp30.hccnet.nl via fia102-21-100.dsl.hccnet.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id j56AglTC018306 (8.13.2/2.05); Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:42:48 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:23:36 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Impression to OPro To: OvationPro Mail List In-Reply-To: <4d75cc0ba0ray@rayfavre.me.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: -------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-System: Risc PC 600, my first Risc PC; rpc1 X-Processor: Intel StrongARM 110 Rev T; 200-ish MHz X-OSversion: RISC OS 4 Select 3i4 [4.39] (28 Apr 2004 [Kernel 6.80]) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continuous development of RISC OS X-Bar: -------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Ray, On Sat 04 Jun, Ray Favre wrote: > Oops, sorry! I forgot to add a couple of points to my first posting. [snip: (a)] [snip: (b) 'empty page 'feature'...] > I have learned to pad out the end of such chapters in Impression with > until the caret is on the second sheet of the pair. OPro then > shows the second sheet. Use the 'next page' filler in Impression. Just type 'ctrl-G' at the end of the text. It's also more flexible as the last line of the text may go up and down on that page (because of some possible reformatting) without nasty results. I think OVPro has the 'next page' too, but atm moment I don't know how to use/insert it. There's also the issue of beginning a new chapter on the left or right page, which probably needs to be synchronized in both the Imp and OVPro documents??? greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place Living your life is a task so difficult, it has never been attempted before. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:03:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DfR71-0005P1-S1-0005PL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:03:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DfR71-0005P1-S1; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:34:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfR71-0005P1-S1; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:34:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfR71-00012B-HO; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:34:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DfR6l-0005mo-Ag; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:34:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j56JIOc17763 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:18:24 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j56JIO817759 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:18:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.25.17] (helo=myriscpc.nom) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1DfN75-0001U7-C6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 20:18:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:18:02 +0100 (BST) From: Arthur Taylor Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro (RO): Increase font size - ^+> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <1b2597764d.Barrie@mcelroy.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor @ home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Mon 06 Jun, Barrie McElroy wrote: > In message <0Q0$IFBN8foCFwE3@pilling.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: > > > >Remember you have to hilight the text you want to change otherwise it > > >won't work. > > > > If there is no marked text then it sets what the next thing you type > > will be in. > > > [big snip] > > Thanks to all for the helpful suggestions. None actually helped > directly. For instance I had not made a macro that clashed. > > I stopped anything loading at Boot. Still nothing. > When I removed all of the applets the problem was cured. I began a > systematic checking of all the many applets. (Not one at a time of > course!) Finally it was traced to 'THe' v1.77. I found and installed > v1.79 and all is now well. I assume that I forgot to use the installer > when I transferred Ov Pro to my new Iyonix last year. > That fits, a quick check shows that I've got 1.79 loaded > Perhaps that & my 'arrows' proves I am over the hill. > I don't wish to know that, my 72nd is coming up next week. ;-) or :-( I'm not sure which is more appropriate! -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:04:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DfRkH-0005SL-Bk-0005Th."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:04:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DfRkH-0005SL-Bk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:15:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfRkH-0005SL-Bk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:15:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfRkH-0001Ef-Fi; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:15:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DfRk6-000732-Vt; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 01:14:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j56JweS30068 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:58:40 +0100 Received: from smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j56JweJ30065 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:58:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 96149 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 19:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.63.237 with login) by smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 19:58:39 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro - "Out Justification" Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 20:58:50 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j56JweJ30066 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HAS_ORGANIZATION,USER_AGENT_FORTE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Some years ago, I used a main-frame-based documentation package. One of the formatting facilities it offered was "out-justification", which meant text was left-aligned (which it called "left-justified") on even numbered (left-hand) pages and right-aligned (which it called "right-justified") on odd-numbered (right hand) pages. This was primarily used for headings and footings. Does anyone know if this is possible in Ovation Pro (I mostly use the windows version, but I assume it's a general feature, applying to both versions)? -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:04:06 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DfYLg-0003n8-8z-0003nc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:04:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DfYLg-0003n8-8z; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 07:18:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfYLg-0003n8-8z; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 07:18:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfYLg-0007Gu-Jx; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 07:18:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DfYLP-0004sF-V7; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:17:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j56D46t14736 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:04:06 +0100 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j56D46k14732 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:04:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050606130405.BBUO6745.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:04:05 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050606130405.IUSV29707.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:04:05 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:53:16 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18-April-05) - Another weirdy with adjusting tabs To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sun 05 Jun, Paul Witheridge wrote: > It must be my week for having trouble with tabs - or more accurately > the margin markers in the Tabs dialog. > > If I select (mark) a (vertically) long block of text, hit CTRL+TAB to > bring up the tab dialog, and then click on the left indent mark > (wanting in the most recent case to adjust left and right indents), > whoosh, off I go to the top of the document. I scroll back to where I > was, the marker is now shown in red (selected), I click on it and > slide it to where I want it to go, and everything is fine. It does not > always happen - I think it is when the beginning of the selected text > is off the screen on a preceding page. My experience is that the tabs ruler always appears above the start of the selection. For example, start your selection on page 2 and continue the selection into page 3, hit CTRL+TAB ant the view is moved to include the ruler above the start of the selection on page 2. Alternative situation start your selection on page 3 and scroll up to include text on page 2 in the selection and the tabs ruler will be displayed above the first line of text selected which is the bottom of the selection. Does this make sense of what you are seeing? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:04:09 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dfb4T-0000c0-Nu-0000cl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:04:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dfb4T-0000c0-Nu; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:12:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dfb4T-0000c0-Nu; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:12:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dfb4T-0006cu-7r; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:12:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dfb3y-0006fU-LQ; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:12:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j575u1726594 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:56:01 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f22.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j575u0n26588 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:56:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:55:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 05:55:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.220] X-Originating-Email: [tonylawn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tonylawn@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Tony Lawn" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro (RO): Increase font size - ^+> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 05:55:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2005 05:55:59.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[9430DF40:01C56B25] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_30,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO, MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp)

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-- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:04:11 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DfbDP-0006B6-Qi-0006CH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:04:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DfbDP-0006B6-Qi; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:21:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfbDP-0006B6-Qi; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:21:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfbDP-0000Cl-0Q; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:21:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DfbDA-0007cN-1q; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:21:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j56D5iL15165 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:44 +0100 Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j56D5iS15162 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050606130544.FOLF26596.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:44 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050606130544.ILHU24546.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:06:39 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Impression to OPro To: OvationPro Mail List In-Reply-To: <4d75cc0ba0ray@rayfavre.me.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sat 04 Jun, Ray Favre wrote: > > Oops, sorry! I forgot to add a couple of points to my first posting. > > a) In case it's relevant, I rarely use Effects. Everything is in > Styles. > > b) I have learned to cope with one 'feature'. If the Impression > document uses a Double-Page-Spread (i.e. left and right pages) and > the text of a particular chapter ends on the first side of a pair, > then Impression displays the second side as a blank page (which > continues the page numbering). However, on conversion the OPro > document does not show the empty page and this will certainly affect > page numbering. I have learned to pad out the end of such chapters in > Impression with until the caret is on the second sheet of > the pair. OPro then shows the second sheet. Does the import create OPro chapters corresponding with the Impression chapters? If so the Opro option to deal with this is ensure each chapter has the necessary (Menu in the chapter concerned > Page > Modify chapter... and choose Start on left or Start on Right as appropriate and tick th option to count preceding blank pages). This will maintin the correct pagination even if editing the earlier chapter makes it continue onto the next page or reduce to the previous page. Alternatively, is there a page break option in Impression which might get imported correctly? In OPro, go to the end of the text in the earlier chapter, hit the Enter key on the numeric keypad to insert a page break within the current chapter and generate your blank page with one key press instead of many. Either this or your existing work-around may generate an extra blank page and push the succeeding chapter start to the wrong side if future editing changes where the earlier chapter finishes. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:04:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DfcQz-0002n3-Nk-0002nd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:04:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DfcQz-0002n3-Nk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:39:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfcQz-0002n3-Nk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:39:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfcQz-0007aS-5h; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:39:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DfcQB-0005M0-0A; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:39:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j577OiT25354 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:24:44 +0100 Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j577Ohk25350 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:24:43 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050607072443.CGHM26596.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:24:43 +0100 Received: from Iyonix ([82.9.213.224]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050607072443.SLNN15401.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix> for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:24:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Impression to OPro To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:31:47 +0100 Message-ID: <08a52b774d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > Hi Ray, Snip---- > > Use the 'next page' filler in Impression. Just type 'ctrl-G' at the end > of the text. It's also more flexible as the last line of the text may > go up and down on that page (because of some possible reformatting) > without nasty results. > > I think OVPro has the 'next page' too, but atm moment I don't know how > to use/insert it. I use insert next page. > > There's also the issue of beginning a new chapter on the left or right > page, which probably needs to be synchronized in both the Imp and OVPro > documents??? > regards Alan -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton Priory Lodge, 86B Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:04:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dfedt-0007E8-BM-0007FA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:04:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dfedt-0007E8-BM; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:01:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dfedt-0007E8-BM; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:01:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dfedt-0004S0-B1; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:01:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dfedf-0004q8-Gt; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:01:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j579iV814355 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:44:31 +0100 Received: from smtp13.wxs.nl (smtp13.wxs.nl [195.121.6.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j579iSj14340 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:44:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IHP003HSKE06Q@smtp13.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:44:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:44:12 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro - "Out Justification" In-reply-to: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.04a (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Paul Witheridge wrote: > left-aligned on even numbered (left-hand) pages and right-aligned on > odd-numbered (right hand) pages. > Does anyone know if this is possible in Ovation Pro? Dead simple, or I must have misunderstood your question. Go to the masterpages, then Page -> Page guidelines. Click 'Double sided'. Create your headers and footers, or whatever frames, and press Ctrl-F in each of them to set the alignment. It doesn't work with master frames, though. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:04:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DfhCY-000045-Ql-000052."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:04:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DfhCY-000045-Ql; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:45:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfhCY-000045-Ql; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:45:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DfhCY-00062E-2q; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:45:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DfhCL-0005j8-9C; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:45:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j57CV4A15605 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:31:04 +0100 Received: from smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j57CV4X15596 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:31:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 69371 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 12:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.63.237 with login) by smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 12:31:03 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18-April-05) - Another weirdy with adjusting tabs Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:31:18 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: <4e2ba19enilmv7hsbo8eaajeqliism2mia@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j57CV4X15597 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_FORTE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:53:16 +0100 (BST), you wrote: >In on Sun 05 Jun, Paul Witheridge wrote: >> It must be my week for having trouble with tabs - or more accurately >> the margin markers in the Tabs dialog. >> >> If I select (mark) a (vertically) long block of text, hit CTRL+TAB to >> bring up the tab dialog, and then click on the left indent mark >> (wanting in the most recent case to adjust left and right indents), >> whoosh, off I go to the top of the document. I scroll back to where I >> was, the marker is now shown in red (selected), I click on it and >> slide it to where I want it to go, and everything is fine. It does not >> always happen - I think it is when the beginning of the selected text >> is off the screen on a preceding page. > >My experience is that the tabs ruler always appears above the start of the >selection. > >For example, start your selection on page 2 and continue the >selection into page 3, hit CTRL+TAB ant the view is moved to include the >ruler above the start of the selection on page 2. > >Alternative situation start your selection on page 3 and scroll up to include >text on page 2 in the selection and the tabs ruler will be displayed above >the first line of text selected which is the bottom of the selection. > >Does this make sense of what you are seeing? Yes and no. In my current document, I have two long lists, each over several pages. The first has it's style with tabs set in the style. The second has tabs set only as an effect. The strange behaviour happens with both. If I mark the first list, which starts in chapter 2 on page 4 and runs over three pages, using shift+down cursor, and then press ctrl+tab, while the *first* marked-page (actually both pages 4 and 5) is showing on the screen (I'm using 'facing page' view option by the way). The ruler appears at the beginning of the marked area, on page 4 (as you state). I then select any of the indent or tabs without any problem. Now scroll down so that the last marked page (page 6) is in view; the other two pages are only about 10% visible. Press ctrl+tab. The beginning of the selection, on page 4, pops back into view, with the ruler displayed above. Click on (say) a tab marker on the ruler. Now, suddenly, instead of page 4 in chapter 2, the first page of chapter 1, at the very beginning of the document, is displayed. I can scroll back down to find the ruler and the beginning of the marked text, in chapter 2 on page 4, and see that the marker I clicked on is displayed in red - i.e., selected. The only active applet is the style palette. It also seems, that regardless of which way I mark the text with shift+cursor - either from start to end, or from end to start, the ruler always appears at the top of the selection. Puzzled. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 8 17:53:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dg3m1-0005ln-Bf-0005mG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:53:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dg3m1-0005ln-Bf; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:51:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dg3m1-0005ln-Bf; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:51:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dg3m1-0006E4-E4; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:51:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dg3ks-00083W-6n; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 17:50:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j58CXPK05071 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:33:25 +0100 Received: from smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j58CXPF05068 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:33:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 20423 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 12:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.63.237 with login) by smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 12:33:19 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro - "Out Justification" Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:33:38 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j58CXPF05069 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_FORTE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:44:12 +0200, you wrote: >> left-aligned on even numbered (left-hand) pages and right-aligned on >> odd-numbered (right hand) pages. >> Does anyone know if this is possible in Ovation Pro? > >Dead simple, or I must have misunderstood your question. >Go to the masterpages, then Page -> Page guidelines. Click 'Double sided'. >Create your headers and footers, or whatever frames, and press Ctrl-F in >each of them to set the alignment. Thanks. I'm away for a few days, so I am not sure if I will get to try it until the weekend. I am already using double-sided pages, and the headers and footers presented no problem. It is topic headings that I want to left-align on left-hand pages and right-align on right-hand pages. The rest of the text needs to be aligned normally (i.e., mostly left-aligned). I think this is probably not what you were describing. Also, for me, Ctrl-F brings up the find dialog - or am I missing something here? -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 9 01:43:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DgB7w-0001eh-Q7-0001fI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 01:43:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DgB7w-0001eh-Q7; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:42:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgB7w-0001eh-Q7; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:42:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgB7v-0001Fi-Ts; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:42:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DgB7h-0007nD-Sf; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:42:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j58KRQV21791 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:27:26 +0100 Received: from smtp15.wxs.nl (smtp15.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j58KRQL21788 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:27:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp15.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IHS00B468THMN@smtp15.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:27:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:27:15 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro - "Out Justification" In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.04a (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Paul Witheridge wrote: > It is topic headings that I want to left-align on left-hand pages and > right-align on right-hand pages. Do I understand correctly that your topic headings are frame independent? In other words, are you referring to a style, rather than to a text frame? In that case, there's no solution, as far as I know. Of course, you can apply an alignment to a style, but you can't make it dependent of either a left or a right page. Ctrl-F, by the way, is the default short cut for Menu - Text - Format. So, if you have a find dialogue assigned to this key, you still can use the mouse and the menu. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 9 02:23:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DgBfh-0001X5-94-0001Xg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 02:23:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DgBfh-0001X5-94; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:17:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgBfh-0001X5-94; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:17:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgBfh-0000SR-Kk; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:17:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DgBf5-0005al-Hi; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 02:16:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j58L0Em28782 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:00:14 +0100 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j58L0CL28771 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:00:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050608210012.PHGS6773.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:00:12 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050608210012.QMHM26865.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:00:12 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:57:34 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro - "Out Justification" To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Wed 08 Jun, Paul Witheridge wrote: > On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:44:12 +0200, you wrote: > > >> left-aligned on even numbered (left-hand) pages and right-aligned on > >> odd-numbered (right hand) pages. > >> Does anyone know if this is possible in Ovation Pro? > > > >Dead simple, or I must have misunderstood your question. > >Go to the masterpages, then Page -> Page guidelines. Click 'Double sided'. > >Create your headers and footers, or whatever frames, and press Ctrl-F in > >each of them to set the alignment. > > Thanks. I'm away for a few days, so I am not sure if I will get to try > it until the weekend. I am already using double-sided pages, and the > headers and footers presented no problem. It is topic headings that I > want to left-align on left-hand pages and right-align on right-hand > pages. The rest of the text needs to be aligned normally (i.e., mostly > left-aligned). I think this is probably not what you were describing. I think what you are asking for is a Style which applies alignment depending on which page (odd or even; right or left) the text is on. You want a single style so that editing which moves the headings to different pages sets the desired alignment without having to go through changing styles. I'm not aware that it is possible > Also, for me, Ctrl-F brings up the find dialog - or am I missing > something here? In the RISC OS version Ctrl-F is the default keypress for the Modify Format dialogue box (Text menu > Format). Ctrl-F for Find is fairly common in Windows applications so I assume that is why David has set that. F4 would be the RISC OS default for Find - has that been swapped for Format? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 9 02:43:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DgC32-0002tm-Gv-0002uF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 02:43:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DgC32-0002tm-Gv; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:41:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgC32-0002tm-Gv; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:41:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgC32-0005aU-2r; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:41:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DgC2P-0000wo-BI; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 02:40:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j58LNZb01825 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:23:35 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j58LNZN01820 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:23:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dg81O-0006mI-M8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:23:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:22:26 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Impression to OPro References: <4d75ca4e68ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >If I remember correctly there is also a tiny difference in where the >baseline of the first line of text in a frame is placed - this can easily Not so sure about this. As part of the Impression loader, I extended OP to give a choice of where the first baseline goes in a frame. One of those choices is the same as Impression. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 9 02:53:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DgC54-00056a-9V-000570."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 02:53:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DgC54-00056a-9V; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:43:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgC54-00056a-9V; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:43:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgC54-0006T4-PT; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:43:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DgC4w-0008O2-O0; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 02:43:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j58LTft03706 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:29:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j58LTeA03701 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:29:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dg83e-0000Kb-6D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:25:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:28:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Impression to OPro References: <4d75cc0ba0ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I think OVPro has the 'next page' too, but atm moment I don't know how >to use/insert it. Misc->insert menu. It is necessary to contrast adding a new page to a text story (which is what the above does) with adding a page to the document (page menu). Often the first implies the second. Anyway this is the much discussed thing with auto page deletion/insertion, auto linked frames etc. - see the manual. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 9 02:53:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DgC9F-00071x-8z-00074b."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 02:53:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DgC9F-00071x-8z; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:47:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgC9F-00071x-8z; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:47:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgC9F-0005V0-BC; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:47:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DgC8p-0007I4-TP; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 02:47:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j58LXhr04851 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:33:43 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j58LXgI04845 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:33:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dg87b-0009Wx-HF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:29:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:32:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Impression to OPro References: <4d75ca4e68ray@rayfavre.me.uk> <4d76169e6edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d76169e6edfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> As I mentioned a few weeks back the entire OP Windows CD contents are >> available on my web site now. That includes the mail list archive since >Thought I've paid for OvPro Windows, and obviously my downloaded copy is >now registered, I've never seen or had a CD, so the above means exactly >what? That the CD contents are available on line at: www.davidpilling.info/cd I have not shipped any CDs yet. I'm still checking for bugs. I don't believe there is any rush (given it is all available online). I hope that people will report what is wrong with the stuff on the web site and that I can thus reduce errors in the shipped discs. I've structured the CD contents like a web site. So I can put the thing on the web. Means less to maintain and everyone will always have access to the latest version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 9 22:25:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DgUOJ-0003S4-7O-0003Sh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:25:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DgUOJ-0003S4-7O; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:16:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgUOJ-0003S4-7O; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:16:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DgUOJ-00007v-47; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:16:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DgUNt-0008Ok-OT; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:16:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j59Gxau18410 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:59:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j59Gxab18407 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:59:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DgQNT-000NVb-LK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:59:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro - "Out Justification" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:28:26 +0100 Message-ID: <019201784d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05S) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Paul Witheridge wrote: > On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:44:12 +0200, you wrote: > >>> left-aligned on even numbered (left-hand) pages and right-aligned on >>> odd-numbered (right hand) pages. >>> Does anyone know if this is possible in Ovation Pro? >> >>Dead simple, or I must have misunderstood your question. >>Go to the masterpages, then Page -> Page guidelines. Click 'Double sided'. >>Create your headers and footers, or whatever frames, and press Ctrl-F in >>each of them to set the alignment. > Remember that if you want to SEE the double-page spreads on screen, you need to tick 'Facing pages' in Menu > View > Options. That had me baffled - I probably had to ask about it on this list...! JR. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 10 13:22:03 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dgd8k-0006mQ-3y-0006mn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:22:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dgd8k-0006mQ-3y; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:37:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dgd8k-0006mQ-3y; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:37:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dgd8k-0007Jk-2I; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:37:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dgd7n-0001AE-2s; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:36:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5A2JRF24182 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:19:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5A2JQa24179 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:19:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DgZ3e-000HIF-GZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 02:15:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:18:24 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Sparkplug 2.28 References: <7MP8$$EjtioCFw1U@pilling.demon.co.uk> <059751764d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <059751764d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >True, but by now, "/" is the standard, and it would be very good if >SparkPlug, with its factory settings, would use that - I do not even see a >reason why anyone should be able to change it. I've updated the version on my web site. It was pointed out to me that the Spark upgrade on the web site resulted in a copy of Spark that shows a version number of 2.26 rather than 2.28. I've also changed that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 16 02:55:56 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DijWf-0001wE-FF-0001wS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:55:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DijWf-0001wE-FF; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:50:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DijWf-0001wE-FF; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:50:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DijWf-00046s-8G; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:50:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DihLm-0007H7-6i; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:31:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5FNQvV06571 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:26:57 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j5FNQuk06563 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:26:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 9084 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2005 23:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO a6.drood68.freeserve.co.uk) (brian.jordan9@217.43.55.144 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2005 23:26:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: Pilling mailing list Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:27:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Viewing printers pairs in OPro (RISCOS) Message-ID: <4d7ba1d6abbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I produce a pamphlet where some pages are monochrome and some full colour. View facing pages is very helpful for assessing the general appearance and layout of the document, but it would be helpful to view printers pairs in order to ensure that colour pictures are on particular pairs and that the remainder are monochrome. I have scoured the manual but the only way I can see to do this is by printing printers pairs to a PoScript file and then viewing the result. Can I do this more simply from within OPro? Thanks -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan >From somewhere in North Hampshire. England ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 16 14:26:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DijvY-0003WT-IJ-0003Yk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:26:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DijvY-0003WT-IJ; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:16:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DijvY-0003WT-IJ; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:16:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DijvY-0002ok-FW; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:16:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dijv2-0007U7-DS; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 03:15:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5G2DI013357 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 03:13:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5G2DIj13353 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 03:13:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dijop-000DoU-4r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:09:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 03:12:11 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Viewing printers pairs in OPro (RISCOS) References: <4d7ba1d6abbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <4d7ba1d6abbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >appearance and layout of the document, but it would be helpful to view >printers pairs in order to ensure that colour pictures are on particular >pairs and that the remainder are monochrome. I have scoured the manual >but the only way I can see to do this is by printing printers pairs to a >PoScript file and then viewing the result. Can I do this more simply from >within OPro? Not as far as I know. It would be nice if you could. If you click on Sheets on the (expanded) Print window there is a small window that shows which pages are on each sheet of paper. Doesn't come close to what you want, but it is a way of finding where pages will end up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 17:08:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DjzDm-0006od-K5-0006p0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:08:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DjzDm-0006od-K5; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:48:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DjzDm-0006od-K5; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:48:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DjzDm-0003JX-2h; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:48:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DjzBK-0008Bn-FF; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:45:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5J8TT519848 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:29:29 +0100 Received: from mail.metronet.co.uk (mail.metronet.co.uk [213.162.97.75]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5J8TSQ19845 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:29:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tempest.mpc1.fish.co.uk (213-162-112-233.malcol124.adsl.metronet.co.uk [213.162.112.233]) by smtp.metronet.co.uk (MetroNet Mail) with ESMTP id A936440DB6C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:29:23 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:29:18 +0100 From: M P Churchill To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Lost Draw Module Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Help! On booting my RPC (RO 4.29) this morning it came up with "Ov Pro needs Draw Module 1.01 or later" OvPro (and lots of other things including Draw and Mess Pro's editor) does not work, yet all was fine yesterday! Over the past two hours I've restored !Boot and !OvPro from my full backup of 2 weeks ago, run a check with !DiscKnight, but no solution. Where does Draw Module reside and where can I get it from if it's broken? I had asumed that it would be a module in !System, or !OvPro, or Softload, but clearly not. Any help welcome! -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 17:08:09 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dk3TW-0004Fn-65-0004GI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:08:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dk3TW-0004Fn-65; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:20:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dk3TW-0004Fn-65; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:20:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dk3TW-0007VC-NH; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:20:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dk3T3-0001OB-Pc; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:20:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5JD2pE20296 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:02:51 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5JD2pU20292 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:02:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DjzRq-0001p9-HQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:02:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:03:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Lost Draw Module Message-ID: <4d7d7808e9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , M P Churchill wrote: > Help! > On booting my RPC (RO 4.29) this morning it came up with "Ov Pro needs > Draw Module 1.01 or later" > OvPro (and lots of other things including Draw and Mess Pro's editor) > does not work, yet all was fine yesterday! > Over the past two hours I've restored !Boot and !OvPro from my full > backup of 2 weeks ago, run a check with !DiscKnight, but no solution. > Where does Draw Module reside and where can I get it from if it's > broken? I had asumed that it would be a module in !System, or !OvPro, > or Softload, but clearly not. > Any help welcome! Check that it has been unplugged - type *Unplug in a task window (Ctrl+F12) If the draw module is listed it can be reinitialised by typing *RMReInit Draw Hope that helps. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 17:08:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dk6mc-0000Zl-SH-0000a0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:08:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dk6mc-0000Zl-SH; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:52:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dk6mc-0000Zl-SH; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:52:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dk6mc-0006JH-JM; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:52:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dk6lq-000696-9u; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:51:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5JGZ4e12746 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:35:04 +0100 Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5JGZ3P12743 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:35:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-2063.l6.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.66.104.15] helo=Phoebe) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Dk2lD-0003jQ-5V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:35:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:34:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Lost Draw Module Message-ID: <4d7d8b677cmark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , M P Churchill wrote: > Help! > On booting my RPC (RO 4.29) this morning it came up with "Ov Pro needs > Draw Module 1.01 or later" > OvPro (and lots of other things including Draw and Mess Pro's editor) > does not work, yet all was fine yesterday! > Over the past two hours I've restored !Boot and !OvPro from my full > backup of 2 weeks ago, run a check with !DiscKnight, but no solution. > Where does Draw Module reside and where can I get it from if it's broken? > I had asumed that it would be a module in !System, or !OvPro, or > Softload, but clearly not. Try pressing F12 and typing Unplugged. If Draw is on the list type RMReinit Draw. -- Beer, Norm? Have I gotten that predictable? Good. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 17:08:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dk9tq-0006XO-4B-0006Xo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:08:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dk9tq-0006XO-4B; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:12:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dk9tq-0006XO-4B; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:12:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dk9tq-00057i-4z; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:12:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dk9tJ-00081w-6V; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:11:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5JJvmS02265 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:57:48 +0100 Received: from mail.metronet.co.uk (mail.metronet.co.uk [213.162.97.75]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5JJvme02261 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:57:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tempest.mpc1.fish.co.uk (213-162-112-233.malcol124.adsl.metronet.co.uk [213.162.112.233]) by smtp.metronet.co.uk (MetroNet Mail) with ESMTP id 29FD541442B for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:57:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Lost Draw Module To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: M P Churchill X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:57:29 +0100 Message-ID: <0df29d7d4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message M P Churchill wrote: > Help! > > On booting my RPC (RO 4.29) this morning it came up with "Ov Pro needs > Draw Module 1.01 or later" > > OvPro (and lots of other things including Draw and Mess Pro's editor) > does not work, yet all was fine yesterday! > > Over the past two hours I've restored !Boot and !OvPro from my full > backup of 2 weeks ago, run a check with !DiscKnight, but no solution. > > Where does Draw Module reside and where can I get it from if it's > broken? I had asumed that it would be a module in !System, or !OvPro, > or Softload, but clearly not. > > Any help welcome! Thanks to Gavin for his advice to *RMReInit Draw this is now solved. The mystery is why it got unplugged. -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 17:08:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DkIfT-0004WR-Q6-0004XK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:08:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DkIfT-0004WR-Q6; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:34:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DkIfT-0004WR-Q6; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:34:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DkIfP-0003NR-Il; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:34:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DkIey-0008MY-Lz; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:33:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5K5JYO26543 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:19:34 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5K5JYp26540 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:19:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-183-18.access.as9105.com ([80.41.183.18]:10012 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DkEh4-0006LS-0o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 05:19:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:11:04 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Lost Draw Module Message-ID: <4d7dd0a0bbdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <0df29d7d4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> References: <0df29d7d4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <0df29d7d4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk>, M P Churchill wrote: > Thanks to Gavin for his advice to *RMReInit Draw this is now solved. > The mystery is why it got unplugged. It must be that apocryphal gremlin with the vacuum cleaner. ;-) Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 17:09:47 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dkr7K-0006h3-I8-0006hb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:09:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dkr7K-0006h3-I8; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:21:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dkr7K-0006h3-I8; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:21:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dkr7K-0002Te-Cc; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:21:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dkr79-0004As-Mx; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:21:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5LI3t314909 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:03:55 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5LI3sp14906 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:03:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.17.10] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Dkn6E-0004Ps-7S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:03:50 +0100 Message-ID: <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:03:59 +0100 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have a couple of fonts which I use frequently with RISCOS which I want to use with Ovation Pro on the PC and I cannot find PC equivalents. Is there any software to convert RISCOS fonts to PC Truetype fonts? Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 17:09:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DktOu-0001al-Qo-0001bE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:09:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DktOu-0001al-Qo; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:47:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DktOu-0001al-Qo; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:47:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DktOu-0002VN-5M; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:47:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DktNt-0003Sg-Ig; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:46:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5LKTxe18582 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:29:59 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f21.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5LKTwT18579 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:29:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:29:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.204 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:29:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.204] X-Originating-Email: [angelacraggs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: angelacraggs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Angela Craggs" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Riscript problem Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:29:57 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 20:29:57.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDA3DF60:01C5769F] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi I have a feeling this is a Riscript problem but perhaps someone can shed some light on it, For the last few years I have regularly converted an Ovation Pro-produced newsletter to a pdf file using Riscript. I tried to do so yesterday and received an error message: Error:undefined;OffendingCommand:OvationPro This error is not specific to the new file. I also tried last month's OvPro file which I had previously converted successfully and I got the same error. I have also tried an older version of RiScript (I'm using 4.15) but that also produces the same error. I am using a RISC PC 3.7 Any ideas why RiScript has suddenly taken a dislike to OvPRo? Thanks Angela Craggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 17:09:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DktYd-0003GN-Hr-0003IE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:09:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DktYd-0003GN-Hr; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:57:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DktYd-0003GN-Hr; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:57:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DktYd-0005vB-CT; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:57:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DktYR-0001yB-Ba; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:57:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5LKeWZ21752 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:40:32 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f6.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.16]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5LKeVO21746 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:40:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:40:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.204 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:40:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.204] X-Originating-Email: [angelacraggs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: angelacraggs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Angela Craggs" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] RE: RiScript problem - solved! Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:40:29 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2005 20:40:30.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[769ADD00:01C576A1] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Answering my own query! Isn't it strange that as soon as I pressed the Send button I realised what I had been doing wrong? In spite of performing the same task several times a year for several years, this time I forgot one important action - I didn't print the document to a Postscript file! The file has just converted perfectly - I am going away to hang my head in shame! Time I retired. Angela Craggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 17:10:02 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dl4Nv-0000gx-Iz-0000hh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:10:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dl4Nv-0000gx-Iz; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:31:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dl4Nv-0000gx-Iz; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:31:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dl4Nv-0000hg-MW; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:31:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dl4NF-0000gt-1e; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:30:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5M8FG622772 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:15:16 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5M8FFf22769 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:15:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from b-180-24-91.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.91] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1Dl0O81I1q-000203; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:15:12 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:09:34 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts Message-ID: <8ea4e87e4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> Roger Penniceard wrote: > I have a couple of fonts which I use frequently with RISCOS which I want > to use with Ovation Pro on the PC and I cannot find PC equivalents. Is > there any software to convert RISCOS fonts to PC Truetype fonts? Not as far as I am aware. If the fonts you use are from EFF you can buy PC equivalents from them in TrueType and PostScript Type-1 formats. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 17:10:03 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dl7Ks-00037r-Jv-00038g."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:10:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dl7Ks-00037r-Jv; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:40:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dl7Ks-00037r-Jv; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:40:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dl7Ks-0001Je-0r; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:40:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dl7KG-0000KZ-Nr; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:39:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5MA39T05352 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:03:09 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j5MA36F05287 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:03:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 9242 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2005 10:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.157.48.249?) (cbonsall@btinternet.com@81.157.48.249 with plain) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2005 10:03:06 -0000 Message-ID: <42B93769.5090001@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:03:21 +0100 From: cbonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Roger Penniceard wrote: > I have a couple of fonts which I use frequently with RISCOS which I want > to use with Ovation Pro on the PC and I cannot find PC equivalents. Is > there any software to convert RISCOS fonts to PC Truetype fonts? Roger Not that I am aware of ... EFF provide (PS and TT) font conversion software from PC to RiscOS, but not vice versa so far as I know. If your RiscOS fonts were made by EFF, then they will suerely have Windows versions of the same fonts. If your RiscOS fonts were NOT made by EFF, then it may be worth asking EFF if they have something equivalent for RiscOS and Windows. Third option (tho' perhaps a little more expensive) ... ask EFF to make you fonts that are equivalent to the ones you are using. -- Clive Bonsall Iyonix 512Mb RO5.09 C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 21:17:54 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlBa2-0001kq-S2-0001kx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:17:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlBa2-0001kq-S2; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:12:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlBa2-0001kq-S2; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:12:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlBa2-0003lL-HW; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:12:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DlBYY-0000Ck-Vq; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:10:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5MFuid28004 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:56:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5MFuiI27998 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:56:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dl7al-00046d-2Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:56:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:59:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts Message-ID: <4d7f13ae1fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <42B93769.5090001@ed.ac.uk> References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> <42B93769.5090001@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <42B93769.5090001@ed.ac.uk>, cbonsall wrote: > Roger Penniceard wrote: > > I have a couple of fonts which I use frequently with RISCOS which I want > > to use with Ovation Pro on the PC and I cannot find PC equivalents. Is > > there any software to convert RISCOS fonts to PC Truetype fonts? Roger > Not that I am aware of ... EFF provide (PS and TT) font conversion > software from PC to RiscOS, but not vice versa so far as I know. > If your RiscOS fonts were made by EFF, then they will suerely have > Windows versions of the same fonts. And if the fonts are from the EFF CD then he will already have the Windows version. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 21:17:54 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlBe3-0004B5-QF-0004BV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:17:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlBe3-0004B5-QF; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:16:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlBe3-0004B5-QF; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:16:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlBe2-00035n-VX; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:16:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DlBdd-0002uw-RS; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:15:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5MG25o30321 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:02:05 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5MG25M30317 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:02:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212-62-83-220.teleos-web.de [212.62.83.220]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BD121412744 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:02:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:02:27 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 22 Jun 2005 18:02:25 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:02:25 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts Message-ID: References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> you wrote: > I have a couple of fonts which I use frequently with RISCOS which I want > to use with Ovation Pro on the PC and I cannot find PC equivalents. Is > there any software to convert RISCOS fonts to PC Truetype fonts? > There is: http://pfaedit.sourceforge.net/ PfaEdit It works beautifully under: * Linux (obviously, (redhat, debian, suse, mandrake), 386,spark, arm,alpha,ia64,m68k,mips,mipsel,powerpc,s390) * Solaris * Irix * FreeBsd * NetBsd * Mac OS/X * OpenVMS7.3 for Alpha * cygwin with X running on top of MS windows. No, it does not run on RISCOS. Yes it is not simplicity itself. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 22 21:37:54 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlBrP-0006aU-6e-0006b8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:37:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlBrP-0006aU-6e; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:30:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlBrP-0006aU-6e; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:30:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlBrO-0000lh-Sk; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:30:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DlBrH-0004Ao-6S; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:30:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5MGEQd01894 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:14:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5MGEQ801890 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:14:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dl7o4-0001ni-Ij for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:10:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:13:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> <42B93769.5090001@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <42B93769.5090001@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>to use with Ovation Pro on the PC and I cannot find PC equivalents. Is >>there any software to convert RISCOS fonts to PC Truetype fonts? Roger Dr Fonty - dim memory and another program? Mrs. Tonnie Demarteau will know... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 23 00:48:10 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlEus-0000gz-MI-0000hS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:48:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlEus-0000gz-MI; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:45:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlEus-0000gz-MI; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:45:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlEus-0006cz-Op; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:45:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DlEuV-0003Ry-6U; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:45:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5MJVYh03869 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:31:34 +0100 Received: from relay3.mail.uk.clara.net (relay3.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.143]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5MJVYK03861 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:31:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-2-solo-174-24.claranet.co.uk ([80.168.174.24] helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay3.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1DlAwg-0002Zu-DJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:31:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Plea for Opro to pdf assistance with pressing task To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:31:52 +0100 Message-ID: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear All, My colleague who knows about these things is unwell. An Opro document of 733k uncompressed, 37,861 bytes compressed, needs conversion to pdf for proof approval prior to printing. I have not learned how to PDF from Opro - and now is just not the right time to do it. Any volunteer to take on the task for me could perhaps contact me off-list. -- Charles 020 8949 0708 / 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 23 01:28:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlFQI-00025Y-I5-000260."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:28:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlFQI-00025Y-I5; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:18:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlFQI-00025Y-I5; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:18:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlFQI-0006BA-Et; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:18:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DlFPr-0007vq-CV; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:17:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5MK3oq12886 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:03:50 +0100 Received: from smtp19.wxs.nl (smtp19.wxs.nl [195.121.6.15]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5MK3o612882 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:03:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp19.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0III00HKF52DY7@smtp19.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:03:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:03:47 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts In-reply-to: <42B93769.5090001@ed.ac.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4d7f2a07fapaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.04a (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> <42B93769.5090001@ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cbonsall wrote: > Third option (tho' perhaps a little more expensive) ... ask EFF to make > you fonts that are equivalent to the ones you are using. A little more expensive? Think of thousands of pounds, and you will come close. Creating an entire font by hand is a difficult and very time consuming job, typically costing £10 per letter (rates from EFF at 2001). Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 23 14:21:06 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlPUy-0006eI-72-0006gi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:21:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlPUy-0006eI-72; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:03:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlPUy-0006eI-72; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:03:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlPUx-0005f5-U8; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:03:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DlPUf-0000DV-8n; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:03:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5N6njE31711 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:49:45 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay04.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5N6njl31708 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:49:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1DlLWy-000846-VS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:49:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:48:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts Message-ID: <4d7f65141cnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <8ea4e87e4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> <8ea4e87e4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 22 Jun, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> > Roger Penniceard wrote: > > I have a couple of fonts which I use frequently with > > RISCOS which I want to use with Ovation Pro on the PC > > and I cannot find PC equivalents. Is there any software > > to convert RISCOS fonts to PC Truetype fonts? > Not as far as I am aware. If the fonts you use are from EFF > you can buy PC equivalents from them in TrueType and > PostScript Type-1 formats. Tell us what the RISC OS ones are and we might be able to suggest alternatives. -- besters.. Ned === skype:nedabell sip:17476030832@proxy01.sipphone.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 23 14:21:07 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlPVZ-00019Y-LY-0001AW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:21:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlPVZ-00019Y-LY; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:04:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlPVZ-00019Y-LY; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:04:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlPVZ-00004s-Ea; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:04:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DlPVC-0000xM-HE; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:04:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5N6lbt30959 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:47:37 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5N6lac30947 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:47:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1DlLUq-0002P3-4g for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:47:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:45:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Plea for Opro to pdf assistance with pressing task Message-ID: <4d7f64cfdbnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 22 Jun, charles wrote: > Dear All, > My colleague who knows about these things is unwell. > An Opro document of 733k uncompressed, 37,861 bytes > compressed, needs conversion to pdf for proof approval > prior to printing. > I have not learned how to PDF from Opro - and now is just > not the right time to do it. > Any volunteer to take on the task for me could perhaps > contact me off-list. > -- Email it to me and Ill do it this AM. nedabell at weatherpost org uk -- besters.. Ned === skype:nedabell sip:17476030832@proxy01.sipphone.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 23 15:30:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlSee-0001b7-4M-0001bs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:30:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlSee-0001b7-4M; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:26:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlSee-0001b7-4M; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:26:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlSee-0002MA-3r; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:26:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DlSdC-0005qI-CH; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:24:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5NA8gG02960 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:08:42 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5NA8gd02957 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:08:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=50667 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DlOdW-0006pw-40 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:08:42 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.250.27]:55056 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DlOdV-0004jQ-2i for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:08:41 +0200 Message-ID: <003301c577db$89ffc0f0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> <42B93769.5090001@ed.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:08:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:13 PM , David Pilling wrote: >>> to use with Ovation Pro on the PC and I cannot find PC equivalents. >>> Is there any software to convert RISCOS fonts to PC Truetype fonts? >>> Roger > > Dr Fonty - dim memory and another program? Mrs. Tonnie Demarteau will > know... > You need several font editors in RISC OS and Windows. DrFonty or FontFiend on RISC OS to export as windows Type1 files (.afm, .pfb and .inf). In Windows you need *old* font editors like AltSys Fontographer 3.5 or Ares FontMonger to be able to import the above files. Newer Windows font editors don't accept the files, generated in RISC OS. Some editing, adding windows specific data, correct configuration and so on is needed to be able to export as a TrueType font. How much there has to be done, depends on the original RISC OS font. The most simple conversion for each font (member) takes at least half an hour till several hours for more complicated situations. All for fonts with less than 256 chars. Bigger fonts are more time consuming. Of course, fonts are also not 'free' software. So, it isn't only a matter of having correct software and knowledge, but also permission to make the conversion or to use the same name. Anyway, it isn't just a matter of using ONE program. As others have written, for EFF fonts you can have a RISC OS and 2 windows versions: TrueType and Type1. The latter can only be used natively in XP and W2K. Be aware that the range 128...160 isn't the same in Windows and RISC OS versions of the EFF fonts. EFF fonts can also be bought as families. When you are speaking about fonts which came with Artworks, TrueType versions (except for AvantG, Pembroke and BookmM) can be bought from Xara - also separately. See http://www.buyfonts.com/ Also here isn't the range 128...160 the same on both platforms. EFF fonts can also bought from this website. Other problem can be the different naming conventions -especially for big font families- for which scripts are needed to map or replace font (names). For all EFF fonts and Artworks/XARA fonts I can make such scripts available - via David Pilling. Lastly, sometimes or often it is possible to find the name of an equivalent or look-alike. As far as shapes of the glyphs are concerned. Metrics, on which the layout is based, still can be different. Several websites offer help to find a font or font name, e.g. or http://www.linotype.com/fontidentifier.html Microsoft has a big database of fonts delivered with MS programs: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/ When you ever have bought a Corel program - I think above 6 or 8 (CorelDraw, MegaGallery, Corel Xara, Corel Ventura), you have got over 700 Bitstream, URW, and Corel TrueType fonts and Type1 fonts of reasonable till good quality. Together with the program Bitstream FontNavigator. The latter comes with a database with equivalents of font names. Many Type1 fonts can be converted to RISC OS fonts with T1toFont (keep PostScript on to also get Type1 PostScript output in RISC OS printing). In such cases you can create your own collection/selection of compatible fonts. As said above ... as far as I know there isn't a simple RISC OS font to TrueType font conversion program. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 23 21:11:11 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlXyf-0000u3-M3-0000uN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:11:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlXyf-0000u3-M3; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:07:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlXyf-0000u3-M3; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:07:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlXyf-00013m-Ko; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:07:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DlXyH-0005kO-97; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:06:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5NFola24988 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:50:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5NFolH24985 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:50:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DlTub-000GfI-3q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:46:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:49:15 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> <42B93769.5090001@ed.ac.uk> <003301c577db$89ffc0f0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <003301c577db$89ffc0f0$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >DrFonty or FontFiend on RISC OS to export as windows Type1 files (.afm, .pfb >and .inf). Given you have a type 1 from the above programs, and are using XP, then do you need anything else? As you said XP (and I think some other versions of Windows) can install type 1 fonts. If you have one of the versions that can't, then of course there is Adobe type manager. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 23 23:51:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlaVq-0005hF-R1-0005hr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:51:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlaVq-0005hF-R1; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:49:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlaVq-0005hF-R1; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:49:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlaVq-0006H2-73; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:49:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DlaVQ-0007Te-AG; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:49:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5NIZ9S07368 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:35:09 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5NIZ8Y07365 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:35:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from b-180-24-233.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.233] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1DlWXb2b8g-0000WW; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:35:07 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:35:17 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts Message-ID: <93c3a57f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> you wrote: > > > I have a couple of fonts which I use frequently with RISCOS which I > > want to use with Ovation Pro on the PC and I cannot find PC > > equivalents. Is there any software to convert RISCOS fonts to PC > > Truetype fonts? > > > There is: > > http://pfaedit.sourceforge.net/ PfaEdit What a surprise! A program that can read Acorn font files and save TrueType or PostScript. Unfortunately, the hinting information is lost (not too surprising), so you will probably not get high quality output. Still, good to know! I am surprised this program has never been mentioned on the newsgroups before... Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 24 02:11:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlcgC-00060E-48-00060T."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:11:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlcgC-00060E-48; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:08:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlcgC-00060E-48; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:08:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlcgC-00026u-4m; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:08:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DlcfX-0005WD-Eo; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:07:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5NKrRk13444 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:53:27 +0100 Received: from relay1.mail.uk.clara.net (relay1.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.141]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5NKrQO13438 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:53:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-2-solo-174-131.claranet.co.uk ([80.168.174.131] helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay1.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1DlYhS-000Bei-I6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:53:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Opro to pdf - job done! To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:47:14 +0100 Message-ID: <48d8b17f4d.charles@clara.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks To John Cartmell, Charles Hope, Tim Powys-Lybbe, Richard Brock, Peter Young, Ned Abell, Mik Towse, Alan Leighton, Anthony Hilton, who all offerred ; and to Peter Newble, who did the deed for me. -- Charles 020 8949 0708 / 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 24 02:11:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dlchd-0001QI-OV-0001Qi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:53:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Ov Pro to pdf - job done To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:53:54 +0100 Message-ID: <8f74b27f4d.charles@clara.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Oops, offers of help also received from Clive Bonsall and Paul Witheridge Thanks, people. -- Charles 020 8949 0708 / 079 5620 0176 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 24 13:56:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlmFL-0007aZ-Bw-0007bC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:56:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlmFL-0007aZ-Bw; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:21:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlmFL-0007aZ-Bw; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:21:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlmFL-0001cR-H9; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:21:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DlmEw-0002Tb-KU; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:20:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5O76nc09249 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:06:49 +0100 Received: from smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j5O76nZ09234 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:06:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 39997 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 07:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.61.144 with login) by smtp001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 07:06:49 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - updating the hyphenation exception data Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:07:03 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j5O76nZ09239 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HAS_ORGANIZATION,USER_AGENT_FORTE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Can anyone tell me how to do this: update the hyphenation exception list in OvnPro for Windows. I know how to temporarily override the hyphenation of individual word (soft-hyphens, hard-hyphens, etc), but I would like to know how to make a permanent update. The manual, chapter 5.6, suggests it can be done, but I can find no instructions for doing so. The file 'HyphData.dat' in 'C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\UK' is not in any format I understand when viewing as either ASCII or Unicode. Incidentally, does anyone have any experience with the use of the following free hyphenation dictionary: http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/research/ilash/Moby/mhyph.html Background: I have an assistant editor, with professional typesetting experience, complaining constantly about the default hyphenation performed by OvnPro. I can't see much wrong, but maybe she has a point, so, in addition to fixing up individual hyphenations, I am looking for a way of adding to the exception list. Thanks -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 24 18:25:03 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlroL-0000EF-8x-0000H4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:25:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlroL-0000EF-8x; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:17:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlroL-0000EF-8x; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:17:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlroL-0002iN-JP; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:17:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dlro6-00018J-Gn; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:17:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5OD0KK12533 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:00:20 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5OD0I412496 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:00:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212-62-90-185.teleos-web.de [212.62.90.185]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 48047424049 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:00:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:00:39 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 24 Jun 2005 15:00:38 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:00:38 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts Message-ID: <38f60a804d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> <93c3a57f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <93c3a57f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <93c3a57f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> you wrote: > In message > Martin Vethake wrote: > > > In message <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > I have a couple of fonts which I use frequently with RISCOS which I > > > want to use with Ovation Pro on the PC and I cannot find PC > > > equivalents. Is there any software to convert RISCOS fonts to PC > > > Truetype fonts? > > > > > There is: > > > > http://pfaedit.sourceforge.net/ PfaEdit > > What a surprise! A program that can read Acorn font files and save > TrueType or PostScript. Unfortunately, the hinting information is lost > (not too surprising), so you will probably not get high quality output. > Still, good to know! I am surprised this program has never been mentioned > on the newsgroups before... > It has, on this list - even back then I failed to remember it's FontForge now (change URL accordingly). It does work (has for me), but it is a chore and not without omissions. To think I used it to re-convert fonts back to PS, the horrors... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 24 18:25:04 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DlrtJ-0007lC-9r-0007lW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:25:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DlrtJ-0007lC-9r; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:22:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlrtJ-0007lC-9r; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:22:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DlrtI-0001qL-Sp; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:22:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dlrsn-0001hG-1X; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:22:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5OD8Lt15606 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:08:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5OD8LL15601 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:08:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dlnr3-000JwU-HA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:04:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:06:42 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - updating the hyphenation exception data References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >hyphenation of individual word (soft-hyphens, hard-hyphens, etc), but >I would like to know how to make a permanent update. If you look at the spell check dictionaries there is one called "hyphdict" that dictionary contains hyphenation exceptions. Words marked up with '-' characters at the correct hyphenation points. You change things by editing that dictionary in the usual way. See page 217, chapter 14 in the manual. >The manual, chapter 5.6, suggests it can be done, but I can find no >instructions for doing so. The file 'HyphData.dat' in 'C:\Program >Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\UK' is not in any format I understand >when viewing as either ASCII or Unicode. A file not intended for users to play with. >Incidentally, does anyone have any experience with the use of the >following free hyphenation dictionary: >http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/research/ilash/Moby/mhyph.html Looks good. I'm investigating. I'd hope that you can just import it into HyphDict - save as .txt, drag and drop. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jun 24 19:45:08 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dlt3q-0000gF-73-0000gX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:45:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dlt3q-0000gF-73; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:37:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dlt3q-0000gF-73; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:37:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dlt3p-0001RG-W1; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:37:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dlt35-0005Xp-Gc; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:37:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5OEL6214431 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:21:06 +0100 Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5OEL5v14426 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:21:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Dlp3J-0005Al-PI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:21:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:11:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] User's Guide for IdxPro Message-ID: <4d80117687chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) For those who use the IdxPro indexing applet, there is now an extensive User Guide, written by Jan van Vredenburch. The guide is now available from the 'Alternative OPro Resources Site' at the following urls. http://www.chrisjohnson.plus.com/ovationpro/applets.html#idxproman http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/applets.html#idxproman http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/applets.html#idxproman and also for the time being at http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ovationpro/applets.html#idxproman Let me know of any problems (with the site(s)). Best regards to all Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 25 14:14:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dm0ON-0000lC-IY-0000qo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:14:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dm0ON-0000lC-IY; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 02:27:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dm0ON-0000lC-IY; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 02:27:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dm0ON-00040O-HC; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 02:27:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dm0O6-0002LH-0h; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:27:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5OMB3404081 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:11:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5OMB3Y04078 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:11:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DlwK9-0007lm-5j for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:06:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:09:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - updating the hyphenation exception data References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Looks good. I'm investigating. I'd hope that you can just import it >into HyphDict - save as .txt, drag and drop. OK, I've had a look at this. First the URL: http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/research/ilash/Moby/ points at a number of word lists - hyphenation, spelling, thesaurus, non-English. I think all of them could be imported into Ovation Pro, on both RISC OS and Windows. And of course they could also be used in some of my other programs CrossStar, Spell etc. The hyphenation word list seems to use a different character to mark the hyphenation point compared to OP. So all you'd have to do is a search/replace in Edit to sort it out before importing. I may now allow another character besides '-' to mark hyphens in dictionaries - this Moby word list shows that you might want to mark hyphenation points in hyphenated words or phrases. Importing these word lists is (I guess) trivial for users, but I might convert them to OP format and put them on my web site. They appear to have the usual trade off - lots of words means many words that are not used often which means more spelling errors will not be spotted, plus US spelling. One thing I would like is a US - English to English word list... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 25 14:14:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dm10Z-00026T-8b-00027B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:14:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dm10Z-00026T-8b; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:07:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dm10Z-00026T-8b; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:07:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dm10Z-0001bs-GF; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:07:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dm10M-0003Ai-8G; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 04:06:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5OMqp627161 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:52:51 +0100 Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.26]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5OMqoY27154 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:52:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from orpheusnet (du213-130-141-99.as15444.net [213.130.141.99]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j5OMqk24001740 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:52:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Test - Please ignore To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Richard Watkinson X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:50:56 +0100 Message-ID: <610141804d.Richard@rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk> X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5, autolearn=disabled) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Testing Orpheus -- Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ Turn left where the chip shop used to be. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 25 14:14:35 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dm8lq-0006cu-QI-0006dq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:14:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dm8lq-0006cu-QI; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:24:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dm8lq-0006cu-QI; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:24:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dm8lp-0001hT-Vd; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:24:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dm8lE-0004YA-GD; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:23:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5P79d112977 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:09:39 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5P79db12973 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:09:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212-62-83-141.teleos-web.de [212.62.83.141]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 95C4D420DD0 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:09:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:09:59 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 25 Jun 2005 09:09:56 +0200 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:09:56 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - updating the hyphenation exception data Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: [snip] > >Incidentally, does anyone have any experience with the use of the > >following free hyphenation dictionary: > >http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/research/ilash/Moby/mhyph.html > > Looks good. I'm investigating. I'd hope that you can just import it into > HyphDict - save as .txt, drag and drop. > Ahh, "Find and Replace", the cocktail-classic with a hint of "Find and Replace" ¥ with '-' and Bob's yer uncle... Perhaps the use of 'space' and /regular/ '-'s will need some attention, but I am short of that atm. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 25 14:14:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dm8wo-0005nF-9R-0005nl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:14:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dm8wo-0005nF-9R; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:35:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dm8wo-0005nF-9R; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:35:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dm8wo-0002AF-LZ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:35:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dm8wa-0007iA-P2; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:35:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5P7LYN17066 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:21:34 +0100 Received: from smtp004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.35]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j5P7LY517063 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:21:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 10970 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 07:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.61.144 with login) by smtp004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 07:21:34 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - updating the hyphenation exception data Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:21:52 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j5P7LY517064 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_FORTE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:06:42 +0100, you wrote: >If you look at the spell check dictionaries there is one called >"hyphdict" that dictionary contains hyphenation exceptions. Words marked >up with '-' characters at the correct hyphenation points. You change >things by editing that dictionary in the usual way. Thank you David. I now realise I should have a HyphDict.dic, and I don't, or, rather, didn't, as I have just downloaded and installed the latest dictionary package! -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jun 25 17:24:35 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DmDNy-0002pV-7M-0002qA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:24:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DmDNy-0002pV-7M; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:20:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmDNy-0002pV-7M; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:20:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmDNy-0004A9-3S; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:20:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DmDNK-0005U0-Jt; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:19:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5PC5K026230 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:05:20 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5PC5Kc26223 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:05:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonixpc.workgroup ([82.32.7.157]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:06:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:04:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] User's Guide for IdxPro Message-ID: <4d8089b1ccjack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d80117687chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <4d80117687chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2005 12:06:01.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[41479E60:01C5797E] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d80117687chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > For those who use the IdxPro indexing applet, there is now an > extensive User Guide, written by Jan van Vredenburch. > The guide is now available from the 'Alternative OPro Resources Site' > at the following urls. > http://www.chrisjohnson.plus.com/ovationpro/applets.html#idxproman > http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/applets.html#idxproman > http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/applets.html#idxproman > and also for the time being at > http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ovationpro/applets.html#idxproman > Let me know of any problems (with the site(s)). This looks like a valuable tool for OPro index compilers, which will include me, and I am grateful to JvV. Thanks too to you for maintaining your Applets website. Could I suggest however that its usefulness would be improved with an indication of which applets are 32bit friendly (IdxPro is not for examp[e). Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jun 26 00:14:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DmJmQ-0006RO-BT-0006Rw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:14:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DmJmQ-0006RO-BT; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:09:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmJmQ-0006RO-BT; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:09:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmJmQ-0006VT-D4; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:09:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DmJlk-0008V6-4c; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:09:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5PIsqI25259 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:54:52 +0100 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5PIspc25255 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:54:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050625185451.JJTN889.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:54:51 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050625185451.HZIX23101.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:54:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:33:48 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - updating the hyphenation exception data To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Fri 24 Jun, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > > I may now allow another character besides '-' to mark hyphens in > dictionaries - this Moby word list shows that you might want to mark > hyphenation points in hyphenated words or phrases. > Is it possible to indicate a prioriy or preference if a word has multiple possible hyphenation points? ISTR that PageMaker used the tilde (~) in its hyphenation dictionary and many words with multiple hyphenation points had different numbers of tildes to indicate priority (more indicated higher priority). Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Jun 26 01:04:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DmKcu-0003wZ-KZ-0003x2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:04:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DmKcu-0003wZ-KZ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:03:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmKcu-0003wZ-KZ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:03:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmKcu-0006th-5r; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:03:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DmKcU-0002kx-Nb; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:03:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5PJlw404937 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:47:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5PJlvu04933 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:47:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DmGZD-0004PJ-4R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:43:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:46:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] User's Guide for IdxPro References: <4d80117687chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4d8089b1ccjack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d8089b1ccjack@ljsevans.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Thanks too to you for maintaining your Applets website. Could I suggest >however that its usefulness would be improved with an indication of which >applets are 32bit friendly (IdxPro is not for examp[e). Is that really true? I'd say the only applets which have the potential to be not 32 bit compatible are the ones produced by me - and of course I have produced 32 bit versions of them all. Third party applets will only not be 32 bit compatible if they contain "helper" programs which are not. So it is possible, but off hand I can't think of any which have this problem. I can think of only one that did have the problem, that was Peter Bond's Index applet, which used a sort utility - at some point I recompiled that for 32 bits. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 29 17:07:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DmPMf-0002NE-Gx-0002NX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:07:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DmPMf-0002NE-Gx; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 05:07:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmPMf-0002NE-Gx; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 05:07:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmPMf-0002iX-3I; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 05:07:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DmPMQ-0007Ol-82; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 06:07:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5Q0p0a25303 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:51:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5Q0p0225296 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:51:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DmLMS-0004cR-Cx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:51:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:49:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - updating the hyphenation exception data References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is it possible to indicate a prioriy or preference if a word has multiple >possible hyphenation points? ISTR that PageMaker used the tilde (~) in its >hyphenation dictionary and many words with multiple hyphenation points had >different numbers of tildes to indicate priority (more indicated higher >priority). No. How would that work? At the moment OP tries to fit in as much as possible, so it splits at the latest point which will fit. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 29 17:07:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DmdaN-0002Rk-7Q-0002S7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:07:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DmdaN-0002Rk-7Q; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:18:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmdaN-0002Rk-7Q; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:18:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmdaN-00015K-4Y; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:18:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DmdZy-00064y-O0; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:18:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5QG0fG07726 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:00:41 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5QG0eD07722 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:00:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DmZYk-0000jI-9d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:00:38 +0100 Message-ID: <42BED13F.2010703@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:01:03 +0100 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Acorn fonts to truetype PC fonts References: <7ba9a1lra0n3t7ka0ugjrijesrkqe6bf2c@4ax.com> <4d7737c435paul@delink.nl> <4d77f67a0cpaul@delink.nl> <42B8568F.6000503@penniceard.co.uk> <42B93769.5090001@ed.ac.uk> <003301c577db$89ffc0f0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thank you one and all for your helpful comments. Not only have I been able to sort out my problems but I have learnt a lot as well. Roger David Pilling wrote: >> DrFonty or FontFiend on RISC OS to export as windows Type1 files >> (.afm, .pfb >> and .inf). > > > Given you have a type 1 from the above programs, and are using XP, > then do you need anything else? > > As you said XP (and I think some other versions of Windows) can > install type 1 fonts. If you have one of the versions that can't, then > of course there is Adobe type manager. > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 29 17:07:31 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DmgdY-00074E-PO-00074w."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:07:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DmgdY-00074E-PO; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:34:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmgdY-00074E-PO; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:34:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmgdY-0002AX-MV; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:34:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DmgdB-0001aR-99; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:33:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5QJIvd26371 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:18:57 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5QJIuN26368 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:18:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cpc3-cmbg4-5-0-cust55.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1Dmced3etT-0007dl; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:18:55 +0200 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:18:55 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - updating the hyphenation exception data Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.25 (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="226195294--617378761--1315486475"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --226195294--617378761--1315486475 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > Is it possible to indicate a prioriy or preference if a word has mult= iple > > possible hyphenation points? >=20 > How would that work? At the moment OP tries to fit in as much as possib= le, > so it splits at the latest point which will fit. Because the last possible hyphenation point isn't always the best one if there's a choice... I agree that this would be nice for professional-level work. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --226195294--617378761--1315486475 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCvv+fp6M/P/S/JWgRAiiMAJ48Bqa7Ko5+ZDu+51tH9ZORAGZTAwCffyCr vxMUGDZq53A9Kj9ohlqjKts= =WH/u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --226195294--617378761--1315486475-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 29 17:07:33 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DmiLe-0006ET-7e-0006GD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:07:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DmiLe-0006ET-7e; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:23:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmiLe-0006ET-7e; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:23:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DmiLe-0003gH-6c; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:23:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DmiKx-0004lz-Qt; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:22:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5QL92h22051 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:09:02 +0100 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5QL92F22047 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:09:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050626210901.UXES481.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:09:01 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050626210901.TTHB5558.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:09:01 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:50:27 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - updating the hyphenation exception data To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sun 26 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > >Is it possible to indicate a prioriy or preference if a word has multiple > >possible hyphenation points? ISTR that PageMaker used the tilde (~) in its > >hyphenation dictionary and many words with multiple hyphenation points had > >different numbers of tildes to indicate priority (more indicated higher > >priority). > > No. > > How would that work? At the moment OP tries to fit in as much as > possible, so it splits at the latest point which will fit. I was enquiring how OPro is programmed, not suggesting it as a change. I guess something like the word needs hyphenating, attempt the highest priority hyphenation point, if that does not work within the justification settings try the next priority... until one works. There must be many words which have multiple hyphenation points where some are preferred over others. For example one word picked at random from the Moby Hyphenation dictionary: di~~hy~dro~~~~strep~to~~~my~cin I have made tilde the hyphenation character and put my interpretation of priority by adding extra tildes at some points. To hyphenate this at the points where I have left a single tilde would be to break a component word of the overall composite word. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 29 17:07:37 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dmleo-00035z-BW-00036a."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:07:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dmleo-00035z-BW; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:55:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dmleo-00035z-BW; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:55:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dmleo-00052A-D4; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:55:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Dmldf-0006Cv-Ma; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:54:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5R0b1f04259 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:37:01 +0100 Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.26]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5R0b0o04254 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:37:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from orpheusnet (du213-130-142-1.as15444.net [213.130.142.1]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j5R0atiE001401 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:36:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] newtest please ignore To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Richard Watkinson X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:34:27 +0100 Message-ID: <782752814d.Richard@rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk> X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.002, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.00) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Monday morning 1:30 -- Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ A kitten is for life... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 29 17:09:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DnY0g-0007g5-Sc-0007j1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:50:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] test 3 please ignore To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Richard Watkinson X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:37:34 +0100 Message-ID: <0b204f824d.Richard@rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk> X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.01, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) test 3 R -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 29 23:07:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dnkbu-0000nY-Be-0000oA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:07:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dnkbu-0000nY-Be; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:00:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dnkbu-0000nY-Be; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:00:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dnkbu-00056u-DY; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:00:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DnkbC-0008Hn-Ev; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:00:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5THiUk27901 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:44:30 +0100 Received: from smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.33]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j5THiUQ27897 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:44:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 49705 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2005 17:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.61.144 with login) by smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2005 17:44:29 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18 Apr) - Difficulty in overriding local effects - bug? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:44:39 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: <7fm5c1l5tlhecao6sttl9ec6kars5d8d73@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j5THiUQ27899 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HAS_ORGANIZATION,USER_AGENT_FORTE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I recently observed, what I think was probably, a bug in OvnPro formatting. However, maybe someone can explain it away in 'non-bug' terms. I have a document in which the bodytext style is Times New Roman 14pt, black foreground, transparent background, horizontal scale 100%, before 0pt, after 6pt, leading 20%, auto-hyphenation and auto-kerning, left and right indents of zero. In other words, default, except for space after and auto-kerning and hyphenation. At the end of a chapter, I created a list with overriding local effects. These were: Arial 12pt font, left indent 5mm, space after 0pt, and a single left tab with a leading '.' character. Everything was fine until I needed to re-order the list. This involved, among other actions, moving lines from the end of the list (and so the end of the chapter), into the middle. After this, I noticed that the line spacing was no longer regular. At least two lines in the list had a slight amount of extra space before (or after) them. I first tried deleting each new para (Return) at the end of each line and replacing with a new line (Shift + Return). This did not fix the problem. Then I tried selecting the entire list and reapplying the format, including the 0pt after. This did not fix the problem. Eventually, I removed all local effects (back to bodytext), and then reapplied them. This *did* fix the problem. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 29 23:37:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dnl87-0000us-4d-0000vL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:37:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dnl87-0000us-4d; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:34:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dnl87-0000us-4d; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:34:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dnl87-0000Qm-8T; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:34:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dnl7M-0001EE-Pi; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:33:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5TIJLC09477 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:19:21 +0100 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5TIJLG09474 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:19:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050629181917.TDTR889.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:19:17 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([81.109.34.33]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050629181916.EQTW11226.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@RiscPC> for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:19:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - updating the hyphenation exception data To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Pete Bready X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.04 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:20:41 +0100 Message-ID: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > > One thing I would like is a US - English to English word list... > > What about http://www.peak.org/~jeremy/dictionary/tables/ for starters? -- Pete Bready -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 30 14:25:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DnomQ-0002Ix-CP-0002Om."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:25:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DnomQ-0002Ix-CP; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:27:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DnomQ-0002Ix-CP; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:27:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DnomQ-0001TE-Lo; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:27:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DnomG-0003ig-AX; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 03:27:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5TMD1i18719 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:13:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5TMD1018715 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:13:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dnknl-000BCF-0S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:13:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:12:01 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18 Apr) - Difficulty in overriding local effects - bug? References: <7fm5c1l5tlhecao6sttl9ec6kars5d8d73@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <7fm5c1l5tlhecao6sttl9ec6kars5d8d73@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Eventually, I removed all local effects (back to bodytext), and then >reapplied them. This *did* fix the problem. It is hard to say without seeing it... The thing that often happens is that you get some text in a line with a different height to the rest of the line, makes the line spacing change. Saving as DDL can be a way of locating where the height changes are. I wonder if spaces and end of lines etc. should not set the line height. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 30 14:25:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Dns6k-0004GG-Af-0004Gw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:25:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Dns6k-0004GG-Af; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 06:01:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dns6k-0004GG-Af; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 06:01:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Dns6k-0000ol-3N; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 06:01:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dns5g-0007OK-41; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:00:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5U1j4403270 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:45:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5U1j4Y03263 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:45:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dno6x-0009ka-FS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:45:03 +0000 Message-ID: <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:43:48 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - updating the hyphenation exception data References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >What about http://www.peak.org/~jeremy/dictionary/tables/ for >starters? Thanks, that is interesting. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 30 14:25:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DnyVE-0002uR-80-0002v6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:25:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DnyVE-0002uR-80; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:50:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DnyVE-0002uR-80; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:50:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DnyVE-00058y-9R; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:50:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DnyUp-0000D2-Bu; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:50:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5U8Wj816866 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:32:45 +0100 Received: from smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.33]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j5U8WiF16863 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:32:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 8203 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2005 08:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.61.144 with login) by smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 08:32:44 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18 Apr) - Difficulty in overriding local effects - bug? Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:32:56 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: <1997c1t3rbqf2c59dugl30rkeub3u4slsm@4ax.com> References: <7fm5c1l5tlhecao6sttl9ec6kars5d8d73@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j5U8WiF16864 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_FORTE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:12:01 +0100, you wrote: >It is hard to say without seeing it... The thing that often happens is >that you get some text in a line with a different height to the rest of >the line, makes the line spacing change. Thanks. Looking at the DDL, I think I can see where the extra spacing came from. At the end of the chapter is the following: {font}{textsize}{endoftext} After reordering the list, three of the following: {font}{textsize}{newline} FONT_b1d0 {textsize 12000} appeared within the list. I assume the '{font}' keyword is restoring the default font (in this case Times Roman 14pt) immediately before the new line, and then the 'FONT_bld0' is changing back to the override font (Arial 12pt), just after the new line. So, on cutting the last line in the chapter, and then pasting it into the middle of the list, I also pasted in this invisible font change, which increased the line spacing at that point. Not a bug, but somewhat counter-intuitive. In retrospect, if I had spotted that after selecting all the text in the list, the info palette displayed blank instead of 'Arial 12pt', I would have been able to fix it a little quicker, but I still but would not have understood why! -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 30 18:35:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Do2qE-0004hR-I9-0004iK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:35:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Do2qE-0004hR-I9; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:28:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Do2qE-0004hR-I9; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:28:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Do2qE-0001pq-Ci; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:28:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Do01c-0000Hq-5H; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:28:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5UADJ221475 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:13:19 +0100 Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5UADJK21450 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:13:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050630101314.TYHG11649.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:13:14 +0100 Received: from j8s0v7 ([80.5.10.222]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050630101314.MCHW23101.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@j8s0v7> for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:13:14 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c57d5c$34da1d60$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> From: "John Grogan" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18 Apr) - Difficulty in overriding local effects - bug? Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:12:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Paul Witheridge wrote: > Then I tried selecting the entire list and reapplying the format, > including the 0pt after. This did not fix the problem. > Eventually, I removed all local effects (back to bodytext), and then > reapplied them. This *did* fix the problem. I have noticed that if you select several paragraphs with different format specifications and you want them all to be the same as the first paragraph, you have to change the format to something different from the first paragraph then change it back again to make the change take effect. Is that intentional? Obviously you can get round this by making sure that the first paragraph selected is one that needs to be changed but it would be convenient to just select all, type in what you want and click OK - as I think Paul was trying to do. John Grogan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 30 20:25:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Do4e7-00046K-Bo-00046e."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:25:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Do4e7-00046K-Bo; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:24:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Do4e7-00046K-Bo; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:24:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Do4e7-0004KJ-FR; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:24:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Do4dv-0003qp-51; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:24:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5UJNw411988 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:23:58 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay04.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5UJNvn11985 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:23:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.25.17] (helo=myriscpc.nom) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1Do4dd-0007Zk-65 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:23:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:45:45 +0100 (BST) From: Arthur Taylor Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18 Apr) - Difficulty in overriding local effects - bug? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <1997c1t3rbqf2c59dugl30rkeub3u4slsm@4ax.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor @ home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Thu 30 Jun, Paul Witheridge wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:12:01 +0100, you wrote: > [snip] > > Thanks. Looking at the DDL, I think I can see where the extra spacing > came from. At the end of the chapter is the following: > > {font}{textsize}{endoftext} > > After reordering the list, three of the following: > > {font}{textsize}{newline} FONT_b1d0 {textsize 12000} > > appeared within the list. > > I assume the '{font}' keyword is restoring the default font (in this > case Times Roman 14pt) immediately before the new line, and then the > 'FONT_bld0' is changing back to the override font (Arial 12pt), just > after the new line. > > So, on cutting the last line in the chapter, and then pasting it into > the middle of the list, I also pasted in this invisible font change, > which increased the line spacing at that point. > > Not a bug, but somewhat counter-intuitive. > > In retrospect, if I had spotted that after selecting all the text in > the list, the info palette displayed blank instead of 'Arial 12pt', I > would have been able to fix it a little quicker, but I still but would > not have understood why! > I find I often come across this situation (with OP RISC OS) and have done so for many years. I think it applies to all local effects doesn't it? I've been vaguely aware of the reason but have put it down to my carelessness in cutting & pasting ;-) It can be a bit trying to remove - I guess this is one of the reasons why you should try to use styles as much as possible, in preference to effects. Arthur Taylor -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 30 20:55:31 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Do4zq-0001ta-Qb-0001tr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:55:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Do4zq-0001ta-Qb; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:46:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Do4zq-0001ta-Qb; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:46:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Do4zq-0007ie-1x; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:46:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Do4zV-0005Qb-Ub; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:46:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5UJkPT27710 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:46:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5UJkPX27695 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:46:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Do4vM-0003aW-5Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:42:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:40:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18 Apr) - Difficulty in overriding local effects - bug? Message-ID: <4d83469bd3charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <1997c1t3rbqf2c59dugl30rkeub3u4slsm@4ax.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Arthur Taylor wrote: > In on Thu 30 Jun, Paul Witheridge wrote: [Snip] > > In retrospect, if I had spotted that after selecting all the text in > > the list, the info palette displayed blank instead of 'Arial 12pt', I > > would have been able to fix it a little quicker, but I still but would > > not have understood why! > > > I find I often come across this situation (with OP RISC OS) and have done > so for many years. I think it applies to all local effects doesn't it? I'm pretty certain the blank window indicates that you have two different fonts or sizes within your selection. You can always use Style > Remove > All styles & Effects if you gte completely lost. -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jun 30 22:05:35 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Do67V-0001nJ-CD-0001o3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:05:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Do67V-0001nJ-CD; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:58:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Do67V-0001nJ-CD; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:58:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Do67V-0003y6-JQ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:58:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Do675-0003cW-S5; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:58:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5UKw9R08490 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:58:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5UKw8J08485 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:58:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Do66q-000PZZ-6Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:58:08 +0000 Message-ID: <9aqdqaBQyFxCFwtk@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:56:48 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18 Apr) - Difficulty in overriding local effects - bug? References: <001501c57d5c$34da1d60$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> In-Reply-To: <001501c57d5c$34da1d60$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have noticed that if you select several paragraphs with different >format specifications and you want them all to be the same as the >first paragraph, you have to change the format to something different >from the first paragraph then change it back again to make the >change take effect. Is that intentional? That sounds like the problem Paul poiinted out a week or two back and which I have fixed (Windows version). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 1 00:25:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Do8MT-0005GS-R5-0005Gx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:25:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Do8MT-0005GS-R5; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:22:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Do8MT-0005GS-R5; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:22:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Do8MT-0005c7-6G; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:22:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Do8Lr-0002Mt-1N; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 00:21:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j5UNLM605542 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:21:22 +0100 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j5UNLLD05536 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:21:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050630232117.JRTN889.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:21:17 +0100 Received: from j8s0v7 ([80.5.10.222]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050630232117.VPPK14072.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@j8s0v7> for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:21:17 +0100 Message-ID: <005f01c57dca$4cc3e6e0$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <001501c57d5c$34da1d60$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> <9aqdqaBQyFxCFwtk@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 (18 Apr) - Difficulty in overriding local effects - bug? Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:20:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >I have noticed that if you select several paragraphs with different > >format specifications and you want them all to be the same as the > >first paragraph, you have to change the format to something different > >from the first paragraph then change it back again to make the > >change take effect. Is that intentional? > > That sounds like the problem Paul poiinted out a week or two back and > which I have fixed (Windows version). > > David Pilling Any chance of a RiscOS fix, please? John Grogan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 1 18:18:07 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DoP1k-00032N-Im-000331."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:18:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DoP1k-00032N-Im; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:10:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoP1k-00032N-Im; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:10:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoP1k-0003i2-Kx; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:10:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoP1J-0002NK-39; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:09:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j61H9NP04538 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:09:23 +0100 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j61H9MO04535 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:09:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050701170918.DZGD889.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:09:18 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.104.8.122]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050701170917.EDTJ11226.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:09:17 +0100 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:08:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus In-Reply-To: <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_675214==_.ALT" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --=====================_675214==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi there, I don't know if this has been suggested before, but using thesaurus in the usual way, I thought how nice it would be if I could highlight a word in the text. Then do a 'Thesaurus check' on it. In the same way that you might check the spelling of a word, the program could come up with a list of possible alternatives to the word. Does this sound feasible? Neill McNeill --=====================_675214==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi there,

I don't know if this has been suggested before, but using thesaurus in the usual way, I thought how nice it would be if I could highlight a word in the text. Then do a 'Thesaurus check' on it. In the same way that you might check the spelling of a word, the program could come up with a list of possible alternatives to the word. Does this sound feasible?

Neill McNeill --=====================_675214==_.ALT-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 1 19:48:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DoQTA-0000ce-C0-0000dD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:48:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DoQTA-0000ce-C0; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:42:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoQTA-0000ce-C0; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:42:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoQTA-0006FI-IO; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:42:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoQSY-0000fI-AZ; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:41:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j61IfUv16340 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:41:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j61IfUR16337 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:41:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DoQS9-000JCG-8s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:41:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:39:55 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I don't know if this has been suggested before, but using thesaurus in the >usual way, I thought how nice it would be if I could highlight a word in the text. >Then do a 'Thesaurus check' on it. In the same way that you might check the >spelling of a word, the program could come up with a list of possible >alternatives to the word. Does this sound feasible? Um. doesn't it work that way already? (something like Ctrl+T - see the reference card). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 1 20:58:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DoRcd-0007P5-SI-0007PY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:58:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DoRcd-0007P5-SI; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:56:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoRcd-0007P5-SI; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:56:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoRcd-0002yo-K4; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:56:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoRc7-0007gW-92; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:55:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j61Jt2q10510 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:55:02 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j61Jt1l10507 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:55:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-191-146.access.as9105.com ([80.41.191.146]:10767 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoRbJ-000D99-Hj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:55:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:53:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I don't know if this has been suggested before, but using thesaurus in > >the usual way, I thought how nice it would be if I could highlight a > >word in the text. Then do a 'Thesaurus check' on it. In the same way > >that you might check the spelling of a word, the program could come up > >with a list of possible alternatives to the word. Does this sound > >feasible? > Um. doesn't it work that way already? (something like Ctrl+T - see the > reference card). On the Windows version it does, but obviously you've got to switch the macro on first. On a different tack, I'd like to use The RO version of Thesaurus with RO OvPro, unfortunately it puts an icon on the icon bar... No room. no room... Is there a way to Run Thesaurus without the Icon bar icon. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 1 22:28:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DoSuc-0005pu-Ke-0005qK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:28:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DoSuc-0005pu-Ke; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:19:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoSuc-0005pu-Ke; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:19:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoSuc-0000Xh-7i; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:19:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoStx-0004dh-3u; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:18:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j61LI6H08436 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:18:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j61LI5J08432 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:18:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DoStg-000Bjr-Fl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:18:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:17:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >On the Windows version it does, but obviously you've got to switch the >macro on first. It is also Ctrl + T on RISC OS. I think it is built in - i.e. not a macro. >On a different tack, I'd like to use The RO version of Thesaurus with RO >OvPro, unfortunately it puts an icon on the icon bar... No room. no room... >Is there a way to Run Thesaurus without the Icon bar icon. I'd guess Thesaurus runs from disc if not loaded, so you could quit it after each use. There might a very cunning macro definition that would load it, find a word and then quit it. In general I'm surprised someone has not done an extension to RISC OS that either stacks or hides icon bar icons. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 1 23:28:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DoTyB-0001Nh-L2-0001QJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:28:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DoTyB-0001Nh-L2; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:26:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoTyB-0001Nh-L2; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:26:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoTyB-0005I4-Ap; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:26:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoTxy-0000pQ-1P; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:26:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j61MQOh06887 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:26:24 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j61MQNX06883 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:26:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from faxcomm ([82.34.56.52]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:27:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:27:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2005 22:27:06.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[03107AA0:01C57E8C] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: [quoting, but not attributing, Dave Symes' contribution thus:] > >On a different tack, I'd like to use The RO version of Thesaurus > >with RO OvPro, unfortunately it puts an icon on the icon bar... No > >room. no room... Is there a way to Run Thesaurus without the Icon > >bar icon. > I'd guess Thesaurus runs from disc if not loaded, so you could quit > it after each use. > There might a very cunning macro definition that would load it, find > a word and then quit it. I suspect that, if it were being written from scratch, experience would encourage a programmer today to think of a module-loading arrangement that could be called from other programs without requiring a full application and front-end to be run in such cases. > In general I'm surprised someone has not done an extension to RISC OS > that either stacks or hides icon bar icons. This has been done in certain cases for filing system icons (e.g. Cumana SCSI) but the auto-scrolling iconbar is an intelligent and user-friendly way to cope with more icons that display width. When I look at other "taskbar" systems I /could/ nention I am more than happy with this arrangement. It isn't exactly a big issue, I'd have thought. Of course, I could be wrong... -- John M Ward : RISC OS computing since 1987, now Iyonix-powered! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 1 23:48:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DoU9g-0007QR-Gd-0007Qq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:48:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DoU9g-0007QR-Gd; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:38:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoU9g-0007QR-Gd; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:38:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoU9f-00008C-W0; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:38:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoU9X-0001Cl-6d; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:38:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j61McRp12044 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:38:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j61McRF12041 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:38:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DoU9R-00031s-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:38:26 +0000 Message-ID: <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:37:24 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I suspect that, if it were being written from scratch, experience would >encourage a programmer today to think of a module-loading arrangement >that could be called from other programs without requiring a full >application and front-end to be run in such cases. Yes, the thesaurus could be an applet. The thing is at the time Beebug wanted a stand alone program to sell. It is a legacy issue. Things are the way they are. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 1 23:58:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DoUKm-0004r6-KG-0004rL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:58:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DoUKm-0004r6-KG; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:50:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoUKm-0004r6-KG; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:50:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoUKm-0005LH-3X; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:50:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoUJw-0006GR-RO; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:49:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j61MnDo20356 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:49:13 +0100 Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j61MnCq20346 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:49:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from faxcomm ([82.34.56.52]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:49:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:50:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d83dbc682john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d83d9bbfajohn@acornusers.org> <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2005 22:49:55.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[3303D740:01C57E8F] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <2BXv8lLkWcxCFw8c@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [quoting John Ward without attribution{] > >I suspect that, if it were being written from scratch, experience > >would encourage a programmer today to think of a module-loading > >arrangement that could be called from other programs without > >requiring a full application and front-end to be run in such cases. > Yes, the thesaurus could be an applet. That would be one way, though limited then to Ovation Pro. Your !Spell program was more universal than that, and that is what was in my mind when I wrote the foregoing. > The thing is at the time Beebug wanted a stand alone program to sell. Indeed: that was clearly the situation then. If starting now, it would not be the same today. > It is a legacy issue. Things are the way they are. They certainly are, which is something I fully accept and is undoubtedly why I am generally fairly easy to please ;-) -- John M Ward : RISC OS computing since 1987, now Iyonix-powered! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 1 23:58:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DoURM-0004GR-D8-0004Gg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:58:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DoURM-0004GR-D8; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:56:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoURM-0004GR-D8; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:56:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DoURL-00006i-Th; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:56:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DoUR3-0003tz-So; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:56:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j61MuZV24773 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:56:35 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j61MuYC24769 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:56:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DoUR0-0009cG-B8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:56:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:59:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - Thesaurus Message-ID: <4d83dc9f7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <7671bb824d.pbready@ntlworld.com> <0p6vmSJU50wCFwXZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20050701180418.00948780@pop.ntlworld.com> <4d83cba162dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > In general I'm surprised someone has not done an extension to RISC OS > that either stacks or hides icon bar icons. You can do both using 3rd party software but you'll have to wait for Select 4/5 for inbuilt options. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net