From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 4 00:49:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D70ra-0000H9-Al-0000Hc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:49:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D70ra-0000H9-Al; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:40:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D70ra-0000H9-Al; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:40:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D70ra-0007IH-5x; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:40:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D70rE-0006Bi-96; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:39:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j240dTf07623 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:39:29 GMT Received: from sutra.omninet.net.au (smtp.omninet.net.au [202.38.162.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j240dRX07605 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:39:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (from root@localhost) by sutra.omninet.net.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) id j240bg324216 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:37:42 +0800 Received: from denmarkwa.com.au (202-61-182-44.rev.dft.net.au [202.61.182.44] (may be forged)) by sutra.omninet.net.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id j240bdk24211 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:37:40 +0800 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:39:30 +0800 From: Ross McGuinness To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Picture options 'missing?' Message-ID: <2a7c19464d.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.10 (MsgServe/2.16) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Having recently moved to an Iyonix I find that when I select Picture from the menu there are fewer options than I had previously. On my RiscPC OPro v2.74 (11 Mar 04) Picture had Process and Screen available to allow image 'tweaking' On my Iyonix OPro v 2.75 (24 Sept 04) these are missing. Have I not installed it correctly or are these no longer available as an option? -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 4 01:59:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D71we-0004u0-LR-0004uJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 01:59:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D71we-0004u0-LR; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:49:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D71we-0004u0-LR; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:49:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D71we-0005iV-FJ; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:49:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D71wM-0006yS-K9; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:49:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j241mhV23544 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 01:48:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j241mgh23540 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 01:48:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D71vm-0009Fa-DP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:48:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 01:47:41 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Picture options 'missing?' References: <2a7c19464d.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <2a7c19464d.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >On my RiscPC OPro v2.74 (11 Mar 04) Picture had Process and Screen > available to allow image 'tweaking' >On my Iyonix OPro v 2.75 (24 Sept 04) these are missing. I would guess they are missing because the colour supplement applet is not installed. Visit my web site, get a copy, from; http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/files/colsup.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 4 02:09:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D72Fg-0004I2-DP-0004II."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:09:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D72Fg-0004I2-DP; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:09:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D72Fg-0004I2-DP; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:09:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D72Ff-0003IZ-Vn; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:09:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D72FQ-0000z1-Kk; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:09:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2428qR30928 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:08:52 GMT Received: from sutra.omninet.net.au (smtp.omninet.net.au [202.38.162.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2428of30921 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:08:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (from root@localhost) by sutra.omninet.net.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) id j24275r27911 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:07:05 +0800 Received: from denmarkwa.com.au (202-61-182-44.rev.dft.net.au [202.61.182.44] (may be forged)) by sutra.omninet.net.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id j24272k27906 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:07:03 +0800 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:08:52 +0800 From: Ross McGuinness To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Picture options 'missing?' Message-ID: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.10 (MsgServe/2.16) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >On my RiscPC OPro v2.74 (11 Mar 04) Picture had Process and Screen > available to allow image 'tweaking' >On my Iyonix OPro v 2.75 (24 Sept 04) these are missing. I would guess they are missing because the colour supplement applet is not installed. Visit my web site, get a copy, from; http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/files/colsup.zip Had colour supp applet installed but it must have been corrupted. Downloaded from above, rpelaced and it is now working. Thanks. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 4 13:56:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D78Zg-0003s1-PC-0003sg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:56:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D78Zg-0003s1-PC; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:54:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D78Zg-0003s1-PC; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:54:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D78Zg-0002cg-JO; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:54:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D78ZM-000643-Hd; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:54:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j248rD801857 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:53:13 GMT Received: from mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout17.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j248rCQ01853 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:53:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050304085307.XTVZ29900.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:53:07 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([62.255.73.5]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050304085307.DYDP1352.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:53:07 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20050304084616.00951330@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:53:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: Re: [softwarelist] O.P. for Windows - default directory In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_7267799==_.ALT" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --=====================_7267799==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, When I load a document via "Open", I always get "My Documents" by default. I then click to get to the directory containing to then document I want to load. I've noticed that if I want to open another document after that , I can get to the last directory immediately. My question is: is it possible to change the default directory to one of my choosing? Neill --=====================_7267799==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi,

        When I load a document via "Open", I always get "My Documents" by default. I then click to get to the directory containing to then document I want to load. I've noticed that if I want to open another document after that , I can get to the last directory immediately.

        My question is: is it possible to change the default directory to one of my choosing?

Neill
 --=====================_7267799==_.ALT-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 4 13:56:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D7CpS-0000ey-Ps-0000fs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:56:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D7CpS-0000ey-Ps; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:26:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7CpS-0000ey-Ps; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:26:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7CpR-0001vL-R3; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:26:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D7Cox-0004ys-Ft; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:26:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j24DPre01072 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:25:53 GMT Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j24DPqt01054 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:25:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (i-195-137-41-33.freedom2surf.net [195.137.41.33]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24DPqnF000945 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:25:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:25:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Selecting multiple frames Message-ID: <4d465f9ff2ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,HAS_ORGANIZATION,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I always thought there was a keypress combined with the mouse that selects multiple frames or objects, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. I'm sure I used to draw a box around several objects and they became selected as a group. Any ideas? Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 4 14:06:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D7DNh-0006YU-Mv-0006ZM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:06:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D7DNh-0006YU-Mv; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:02:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7DNh-0006YU-Mv; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:02:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7DNg-0002wS-V5; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:02:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D7DNR-0000Ww-Iy; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:02:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j24E1ee15796 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:01:40 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j24E1dj15781 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:01:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D7DN4-00055l-G1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:01:39 +0000 Message-ID: <35MvCnAmnGKCFwnJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:00:06 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Selecting multiple frames References: <4d465f9ff2ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4d465f9ff2ray@raydawson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I'm sure I used to draw a box around several objects and they became >selected as a group. control+shift+(select click drag) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 4 14:06:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D7DRM-0006b2-Bc-0006bv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:06:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D7DRM-0006b2-Bc; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:06:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7DRM-0006b2-Bc; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:06:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7DRM-0002DB-DL; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:06:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D7DR9-0002DY-GF; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:05:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j24E5gE17175 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:05:42 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j24E5gK17172 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:05:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D7DQz-00060Q-G1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:05:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:04:32 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] O.P. for Windows - default directory References: <4.2.0.58.20050304084616.00951330@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050304084616.00951330@pop.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j24E5gK17173 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >        My question is: is it possible to change the default directory to one of my >choosing? It is not possible as things stand. I find that Windows can sometimes be a nightmare as regards the folder which the open/save file dialogues start in. The recent documents applet can be useful - quick way of getting the program to open files from a given folder. Once you've opened one file from a folder then the next time you use Open... it will use that folder. I'll see about changing things so the default can be different. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 4 14:46:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D7Dzg-0006rN-PD-0006v7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:46:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D7Dzg-0006rN-PD; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:41:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7Dzg-0006rN-PD; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:41:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7Dzg-0002sd-AU; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:41:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D7DzR-0003Ur-TQ; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:41:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j24Ef6b02288 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:41:06 GMT Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j24Ef3T02271 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:41:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (i-195-137-41-33.freedom2surf.net [195.137.41.33]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24Ef2nF029810 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:41:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:36:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting multiple frames Message-ID: <4d46661c8eray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <35MvCnAmnGKCFwnJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4d465f9ff2ray@raydawson.com> <35MvCnAmnGKCFwnJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <35MvCnAmnGKCFwnJ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I'm sure I used to draw a box around several objects and they became > >selected as a group. > control+shift+(select click drag) That's the one. Thanks David. Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 5 17:35:22 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D7dAc-0007Hu-Fz-0007JE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:35:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D7dAc-0007Hu-Fz; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:34:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7dAc-0007Hu-Fz; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:34:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7dAc-0002r2-Pe; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:34:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D7dAT-0001Zt-0A; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:34:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j25HYF105621 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:34:15 GMT Received: from mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout16.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.16]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j25HYFr05618 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:34:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050305173410.EUCK8887.mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:34:10 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.104.8.10]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050305173410.WYXF1279.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:34:10 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20050305173300.00953db0@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:34:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: Re: [softwarelist] O.P. for Windows - default directory In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20050304084616.00951330@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20050304084616.00951330@pop.ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_36644461==_.ALT" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --=====================_36644461==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I'll see about changing things so the default can be different. I'l look out for that, Thanks. Neill --=====================_36644461==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

I'll see about changing things so the default can be different.

I'l look out for that, Thanks.


Neill --=====================_36644461==_.ALT-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 5 22:35:38 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D7hr5-0006Yb-BL-0006ZI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:35:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D7hr5-0006Yb-BL; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:34:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7hr5-0006Yb-BL; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:34:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7hr5-0006h1-BG; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:34:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D7hqr-00066m-8p; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:34:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j25MYKa06859 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:34:20 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j25MYJ206856 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:34:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D7hql-000K2Y-Kv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:34:19 +0000 Message-ID: <5Nns$5GLOjKCFwU1@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:32:43 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Mail loop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) We seem to have a mail loop on this list - I've had the same msgs three or four times, with increasing numbers of list signatures on the bottom. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 5 22:55:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D7iAH-0007Xh-A4-0007YG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:55:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D7iAH-0007Xh-A4; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:54:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7iAH-0007Xh-A4; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:54:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7iAG-0004HW-V8; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:54:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D7iA5-0006XB-4L; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:54:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j25MsAL09530 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:54:10 GMT Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j25Ms9X09525 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:54:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from magpieway.net ([62.3.222.108] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.local ident=tony$pop3$vanderhoff$org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.181) id 422a3890.a60c.25e9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:54:08 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:54:08 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Selecting multiple frames Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <35MvCnAmnGKCFwnJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4d465f9ff2ray@raydawson.com> <35MvCnAmnGKCFwnJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.11 (Qt/3.3.3) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net wrote in message <35MvCnAmnGKCFwnJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> > >I'm sure I used to draw a box around several objects and they became > >selected as a group. > > control+shift+(select click drag) > > Groundhog day? -- Tony van der Hoff Buckinghamshire England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 5 23:05:35 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D7iI3-0002Hy-6m-0002IR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:05:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D7iI3-0002Hy-6m; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:02:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7iI3-0002Hy-6m; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:02:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7iI2-0004XI-QC; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:02:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D7iHr-0007ce-OZ; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:02:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j25N20n11063 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:02:00 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j25N20N11050 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:02:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D7iFV-000EUW-Ik for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:59:53 +0000 Message-ID: <1uhfXQIRojKCFwX0@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:00:33 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mail loop References: <5Nns$5GLOjKCFwU1@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5Nns$5GLOjKCFwU1@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >We seem to have a mail loop on this list - I've had the same msgs three >or four times, with increasing numbers of list signatures on the bottom. Yes, I'm sorry about that. I've removed the person implicated in the headers. My interpretation is that a list member is reposting postings. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Mar 6 13:31:22 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D7tfK-0007UB-S2-0007Ud."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:31:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D7tfK-0007UB-S2; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:11:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7tfK-0007UB-S2; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:11:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D7tfK-0000of-HG; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:11:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D7tf9-0002n4-R4; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:11:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j26BAgL05299 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:10:42 GMT Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j26BAgS05296 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:10:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-2905.porcupine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.203.89] helo=localhost.com.freeuk.com) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D7teg-0008TH-8O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:10:38 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:10:32 GMT From: Kevin Corney To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] O.P. for Windows - default directory Message-ID: References: <4.2.0.58.20050304084616.00951330@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20050304084616.00951330@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20050305173300.00953db0@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050305173300.00953db0@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4.2.0.58.20050305173300.00953db0@pop.ntlworld.com> you wrote: > > > >I'll see about changing things so the default can be different. > > I'l look out for that, Thanks. > > > Neill Is it just me, or does everybody keep getting repeated mailings of of this thread? Kevin -- Kevin Corney, Emley, West Yorkshire, HD8 9RG Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten. - W. Ulbricht -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 10 22:45:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D9WIU-0000Ad-AH-0000B0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:45:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D9WIU-0000Ad-AH; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:38:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9WIU-0000Ad-AH; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:38:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9WIU-00002W-14; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:38:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D9WI6-0001sh-Jn; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:38:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2AMb0718962 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:37:00 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2AMax618957 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:36:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D9WH4-000BL9-LU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:36:58 +0000 Message-ID: <+Cfd8nExuMMCFwVg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:35:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mail loop References: <5Nns$5GLOjKCFwU1@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1uhfXQIRojKCFwX0@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1uhfXQIRojKCFwX0@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >My interpretation is that a list member is reposting postings. This is a test message. As luck would have it there have been no postings since last week, so I've not been able to verify if the problem is solved. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 11 15:36:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D9mAK-0001ky-GB-0001mD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:36:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D9mAK-0001ky-GB; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:35:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9mAK-0001ky-GB; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:35:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9mAJ-0002Ds-Nw; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:35:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D9mA0-0007eM-OU; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:34:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2BFYQZ20679 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:34:26 GMT Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2BFYQm20676 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:34:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [195.82.127.159] (helo=Iyonix.pnyoung.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D9m9h-0005LJ-KY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:34:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:34:19 GMT From: Dr Peter Young To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is with Iyonix, RO 5.08 In trying to find the solution to a problem with the new build of NetSurf, it was suggested that I should upgrade to the new version of SwissB on David's site. I have tried to do this, but I can't get it to install by any method known to me. First I tried to put it into EasyFont Pro; this asked me, as it does, whether I wanted to replace the existing version. When I clicked on 'yes' SwissB vanished altogether from EFP, and I can't find it anywhere. I then tried copying it into !Boot.Resources.!Fonts, as the ReadMe file suggests, as I wanted to install this one font only. There is the directory, sitting in there, but no sign of it in OPro's list of fonts. I then tried saving out the !Fonts file from the zip, deleting all but SwissB and merging using the 'merge fonts' option in !Boot, and got the message 'SwissB Bold. Name SwissB.Bold not recognised'. Is there something wrong with the font (unlikely) or with me and my set-up (more likely)? :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 11 15:56:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D9mOA-000603-JT-00060i."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:56:52 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D9mOA-000603-JT; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:49:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9mOA-000603-JT; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:49:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9mO9-0000D1-SH; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:49:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D9mNO-0000c4-Em; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:48:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2BFmHu25765 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:48:17 GMT Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2BFmGF25759 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:48:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.225.58]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:48:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:47:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4d4a077694Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2005 15:48:51.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2B52320:01C52651] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > In trying to find the solution to a problem with the new build of > NetSurf, it was suggested that I should upgrade to the new version of > SwissB on David's site. > I then tried copying it into !Boot.Resources.!Fonts, as the ReadMe file > suggests, as I wanted to install this one font only. There is the > directory, sitting in there, but no sign of it in OPro's list of fonts. I suspect the problem is the font isn't listed in the Messages1 file (see !Boot.Resources.!Fonts.Messages1). HTH, Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 11 17:36:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D9o1U-0003dD-4v-0003e2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:36:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D9o1U-0003dD-4v; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:34:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9o1U-0003dD-4v; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:34:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9o1U-0007QR-7H; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:34:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D9o1B-0000TG-VE; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:33:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2BHXSw30948 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:33:28 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2BHXSN30939 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:33:28 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D9nym-0007Kz-Gx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:31:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:32:03 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I think you're making heavy weather of all this. What I'd do is; (1) open the fonts.zip archive. Open the folder inside it !Fonts (shift + double click), note the folder SwissB. (2) open your main !Fonts typically inside !Boot. You should now be looking at a lot of individual folders with the names of fonts. Note the prescence or abscence of one calledd SwissB. (3) Copy SwissB from (1) into (2). (4) Back up a level to the main !Fonts and double click it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 11 17:46:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D9oCX-0001ie-Js-0001jH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:46:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D9oCX-0001ie-Js; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:45:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9oCX-0001ie-Js; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:45:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9oCW-0004MC-RR; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:45:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D9oC7-0000iP-3M; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:45:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2BHiuF02452 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:44:56 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2BHitx02448 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:44:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1D9oBz-0002Hw-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:44:55 +0100 Received: from [62.180.24.217] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1D9oBz-0004oh-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:44:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:44:51 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > I think you're making heavy weather of all this. What I'd do is; > > (1) open the fonts.zip archive. Open the folder inside it !Fonts (shift > + double click), note the folder SwissB. > > (2) open your main !Fonts typically inside !Boot. You should now be > looking at a lot of individual folders with the names of fonts. Note the > prescence or abscence of one calledd SwissB. > > (3) Copy SwissB from (1) into (2). > > (4) Back up a level to the main !Fonts and double click it. That does not work if there is a Messages file inside !Fonts, which there typically is on a RISC OS 5 system. The easiest way to get the font recognized is to delete !Fonts.Messages1 (unless you have made any changes to this file yourself you do not lose much by deleting it), followed by typing *FontInstall in a TaskWindow. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 11 18:17:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D9ogP-0005pP-Nw-0005pu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:17:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D9ogP-0005pP-Nw; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:16:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9ogP-0005pP-Nw; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:16:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9ogP-0001Xq-8Y; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:16:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D9og2-0008R7-5I; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:15:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2BIFms10026 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:15:48 GMT Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2BIFm010021 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:15:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [195.82.127.159] (helo=Iyonix.pnyoung.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D9ofr-0002IH-Qs for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:15:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:15:39 GMT From: Dr Peter Young To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Mar 2005 Martin Wuerthner wrote: >In message > David Pilling wrote: > >> I think you're making heavy weather of all this. What I'd do is; >> >> (1) open the fonts.zip archive. Open the folder inside it !Fonts (shift >> + double click), note the folder SwissB. >> >> (2) open your main !Fonts typically inside !Boot. You should now be >> looking at a lot of individual folders with the names of fonts. Note the >> prescence or abscence of one calledd SwissB. >> >> (3) Copy SwissB from (1) into (2). >> >> (4) Back up a level to the main !Fonts and double click it. There's some oddness going on here; I didn't get my original posting back, or David's reply, just Martin's reply to the reply. However, I get the drift. What David suggests is exactly what I did; sorry if I didn't make this clear. For reasons given by Martin, it would seem, this didn't work :-( > >That does not work if there is a Messages file inside !Fonts, which there >typically is on a RISC OS 5 system. The easiest way to get the font >recognized is to delete !Fonts.Messages1 (unless you have made any changes >to this file yourself you do not lose much by deleting it), followed by >typing *FontInstall in a TaskWindow. Done that, and it worked like a dream. Many thanks. (Just checked, and I had typed 'worked like a dram'! I'd give both you gentlemen a dram or two if you were here). With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 11 18:47:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D9p13-0004At-Gs-0004Be."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:47:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D9p13-0004At-Gs; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:37:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9p13-0004At-Gs; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:37:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9p13-0002Qs-2J; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:37:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D9p0W-0006Ui-2D; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:37:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2BIb0319065 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:37:00 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2BIaxg19051 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:36:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D9oyF-000IAA-HV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:34:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:38:13 GMT From: David W Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4b18174a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <4d4a077694Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4d4a077694Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d4a077694Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> [snip] > > I suspect the problem is the font isn't listed in the Messages1 file (see > !Boot.Resources.!Fonts.Messages1). > Out of interest: this Messages1 file has been mentioned twice here.... what does it do? David > HTH, > Ian > -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 11 19:47:04 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D9pys-000302-GT-00030U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:47:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D9pys-000302-GT; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:39:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9pys-000302-GT; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:39:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9pyr-0001Zk-TB; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:39:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D9pyc-0002tR-R0; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:39:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2BJd3d11951 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:39:03 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2BJd2m11940 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:39:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.209] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1D9pyQ-0000ps-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:39:02 +0100 Received: from [62.180.25.154] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1D9pyQ-0004CI-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:39:02 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:32:26 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4a0f1c4a4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <4d4a077694Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <4b18174a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b18174a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SEARCH_ENGINE_PROMO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4b18174a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> David W Mills wrote: > In message <4d4a077694Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> > [snip] > > > > I suspect the problem is the font isn't listed in the Messages1 file > > (see !Boot.Resources.!Fonts.Messages1). > > > Out of interest: this Messages1 file has been mentioned twice here.... > what does it do? It lists all the fonts in the directory, thus saving the FontManager the trouble of looking at all the directory entries. This means that at the same time, it also saves the FontManager the "trouble" of noticing that you have put a new font there. :-( The main reason for the Messages1 file is that it allows you to (a) have language-specific user-level names for the fonts (b) specify which font is the default font of the family For instance, the asterisk in the "NewHall.Medium" entry in the default Messages1 file that comes with !Boot.Resources.!Fonts specifies that NewHall.Medium is the default font for the family NewHall and is therefore chosen when you choose "NewHall" from the menu. Without this setting, the first font in the family (NewHall.Bold) would be the default font. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 11 20:37:06 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D9qn4-0003Ti-PH-0003U3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:37:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D9qn4-0003Ti-PH; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:31:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9qn4-0003Ti-PH; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:31:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9qn4-0002iP-LL; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:31:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D9qmh-0007S1-Q6; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:30:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2BKUob22403 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:30:50 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2BKUoF22399 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:30:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D9qkJ-000PQd-J6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:28:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:31:54 GMT From: David W Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <0981214a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <4d4a077694Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <4b18174a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4a0f1c4a4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <4a0f1c4a4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SEARCH_ENGINE_PROMO, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4a0f1c4a4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: [snip] > > > > > Out of interest: this Messages1 file has been mentioned twice here.... > > what does it do? > > It lists all the fonts in the directory, thus saving the FontManager the > trouble of looking at all the directory entries.. This means that at the > same time, it also saves the FontManager the "trouble" of noticing that > you have put a new font there. :-( > > The main reason for the Messages1 file is that it allows you to > (a) have language-specific user-level names for the fonts > (b) specify which font is the default font of the family > > For instance, the asterisk in the "NewHall.Medium" entry in the default > Messages1 file that comes with !Boot.Resources.!Fonts specifies that > NewHall.Medium is the default font for the family NewHall and is therefore > chosen when you choose "NewHall" from the menu. Without this setting, the > first font in the family (NewHall.Bold) would be the default font. > Thanks Martin It seems..... The only thing that would stop me spending a bit of time re-entering (or adding new) font information to the Messages1 file is the need (in !Zap)to type in the red colon:-) However I get the impression that the file is not essential. David > Martin -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 12 00:37:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1D9ucc-00073u-72-00074S."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:37:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1D9ucc-00073u-72; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:36:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9ucc-00073u-72; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1D9ucb-0004CN-OU; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D9ubv-0001zk-RI; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:36:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2C0R2L06275 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:27:02 GMT Received: from smtp2.global.net.uk (smtp2.global.net.uk [80.189.94.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2C0R1g06269 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:27:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.189.198.58] (helo=RTV) by smtp2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1D9uT6-000HQJ-23 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:27:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:07:36 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4D4A35406A%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <4d4a077694Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <4b18174a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4a0f1c4a4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <0981214a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0981214a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 3.12 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Authenticated-Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j2C0R2g06271 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SEARCH_ENGINE_PROMO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <0981214a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> David W Mills wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: [snip] > > > Out of interest: this Messages1 file has been mentioned twice here.... > > > what does it do? > > It lists all the fonts in the directory, thus saving the FontManager the > > trouble of looking at all the directory entries.. This means that at the > > same time, it also saves the FontManager the "trouble" of noticing that > > you have put a new font there. :-( [snip] > It seems..... > The only thing that would stop me spending a bit of time re-entering (or > adding new) font information to the Messages1 file is the need (in !Zap)to > type in the red colon:-) > > However I get the impression that the file is not essential. You don't need to manually enter anything in the file. A utility called FontZip will scan the !Font dir' & create it. I've can't find it on Google, but it is from an Archimedes World disk c1994! -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net A company is known by the men it keeps -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 12 13:48:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DA1v9-0006Ry-P0-0006SN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:48:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DA1v9-0006Ry-P0; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:24:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DA1v9-0006Ry-P0; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:24:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DA1v9-0003EH-Ic; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:24:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DA1ur-0003xk-2Z; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:24:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2C8NpC04946 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:23:51 GMT Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2C8Npm04942 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:23:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.225.142]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:24:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:23:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4d4a629fd5Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4D4A35406A%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <4d4a077694Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <4b18174a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4a0f1c4a4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <0981214a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4D4A35406A%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 08:24:26.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[E776F280:01C526DC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j2C8Npm04944 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4D4A35406A%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > In article <0981214a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> David W Mills > wrote: > > It seems..... The only thing that would stop me spending a bit of > > time re-entering (or adding new) font information to the Messages1 > > file is the need (in !Zap)to type in the red colon:-) > > > > However I get the impression that the file is not essential. > You don't need to manually enter anything in the file. A utility called > FontZip will scan the !Font dir' & create it. I've can't find it on > Google, but it is from an Archimedes World disk c1994! There's also Darren Salt's !FontMsgs :- http://www.youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk/progs.html Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 12 13:48:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DA2R4-0003Mx-7Q-0003Ng."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:48:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DA2R4-0003Mx-7Q; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:57:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DA2R4-0003Mx-7Q; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:57:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DA2R4-0000zc-5K; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:57:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DA2R2-0000Bm-MV; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:57:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2C8uwB13317 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:56:58 GMT Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.net.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2C8uwt13313 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:56:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.245.81] (helo=riscpc.realingenuity.com) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DA2Qb-0002Pe-Jt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:56:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:51:57 GMT From: Adrian Crafer To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <9641654a4d.bz36@realingenuity.com> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <4d4a077694Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <4b18174a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4a0f1c4a4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <0981214a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4D4A35406A%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4d4a629fd5Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4d4a629fd5Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d4a629fd5Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> Ian Hamilton wrote: > In article <4D4A35406A%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse > wrote: > > In article <0981214a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> David W Mills > > wrote: > > > > It seems..... The only thing that would stop me spending a bit of > > > time re-entering (or adding new) font information to the Messages1 > > > file is the need (in !Zap)to type in the red colon:-) > > > > > > However I get the impression that the file is not essential. > > > You don't need to manually enter anything in the file. A utility called > > FontZip will scan the !Font dir' & create it. I've can't find it on > > Google, but it is from an Archimedes World disk c1994! > > There's also Darren Salt's !FontMsgs :- > There was a problem raised some time ago about Messages1 and disappearing fonts or non appearing fonts. The answer given at the time was to delete Messages1 altogether. I had the problem at the time and deleted Messages1 solved the problem of missing fonts. I have not had a Message1 file, ever since, with no problems. Obviously I do not have any of the benefits that Message1 is supposed to give you but since I have not had any problems, I have not missed the benefits. I currently have some 107 font families load including SwissB Out of interest I ran Rescan fonts which is within Configuration Fonts, and that replaced the Message1 file which when examined was incomplete, with fonts missing, though this time Rescan fonts did report that it had gone wrong. Presumably it did not like one of the fonts. Adrian Crafer -- acrafer@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 12 13:48:32 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DA2jp-0002rH-K2-0002s5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:48:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DA2jp-0002rH-K2; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:16:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DA2jp-0002rH-K2; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:16:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DA2jo-00048J-W8; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:16:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DA2jW-0008Ms-MZ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:16:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2C9GLZ15991 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:16:21 GMT Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2C9GKG15988 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:16:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.202.148]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:16:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:15:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4d4a676de3Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <9641654a4d.bz36@realingenuity.com> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <4d4a077694Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <4b18174a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4a0f1c4a4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <0981214a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4D4A35406A%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4d4a629fd5Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <9641654a4d.bz36@realingenuity.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2005 09:16:56.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CF93090:01C526E4] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <9641654a4d.bz36@realingenuity.com>, Adrian Crafer wrote: > In message <4d4a629fd5Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> Ian Hamilton > wrote: [Snip] > > There's also Darren Salt's !FontMsgs. > There was a problem raised some time ago about Messages1 and > disappearing fonts or non appearing fonts. The answer given at the time > was to delete Messages1 altogether. Deleting Messages1 is harmless, it slightly increases the time taken to scan the fonts. > Out of interest I ran Rescan fonts which is within Configuration Fonts, > and that replaced the Message1 file which when examined was incomplete, > with fonts missing, though this time Rescan fonts did report that it > had gone wrong. I suspect this is a Select only feature. > Presumably it did not like one of the fonts. Most likely. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 12 14:28:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DA7Ug-0003vc-MP-0003wL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:28:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DA7Ug-0003vc-MP; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:21:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DA7Ug-0003vc-MP; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:21:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DA7Ug-0004uI-Or; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:21:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DA7UT-00009s-DR; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:21:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2CEL2f17512 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:21:02 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2CEL1u17508 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:21:01 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DA7UC-000IZD-KC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:21:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:19:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4d4a8343bbJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > That does not work if there is a Messages file inside !Fonts, which > there typically is on a RISC OS 5 system. Why not, if you're replacing one definition of SwissB (already listed in Messages1) with another? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 12 20:18:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAD0u-0000K9-J1-0000Kb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:18:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAD0u-0000K9-J1; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:15:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAD0u-0000K9-J1; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:15:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAD0u-00078v-Np; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:15:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DACzx-0002GY-3j; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:14:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2CKDqD10766 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:13:52 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2CKDpg10761 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:13:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DACzf-00088o-71 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:13:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:12:44 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <4d4a8343bbJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4a8343bbJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks to everyone for putting me right with the Messages1 file. Obviously I'm living in the past where things were simpler. I'd be interested to know if there's anything wrong in the way the new fonts are distributed, any way things could be improved? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAZSL-0004zK-AP-0004zs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAZSL-0004zK-AP; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:12:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAZSL-0004zK-AP; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:12:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAZSK-0002NB-St; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:12:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAZSJ-0008A2-25; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:12:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2DKBSa10937 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:11:28 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2DKBRi10931 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:11:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.116.58.177] (helo=argonet.co.uk.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1DAZJp-00018m-SI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:04:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:13:29 GMT From: Roger Foden To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 11 Mar 2005 Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > >In message > > David Pilling wrote: > > > >> I think you're making heavy weather of all this. What I'd do is; > >> > >> (1) open the fonts.zip archive. Open the folder inside it !Fonts (shift > >> + double click), note the folder SwissB. > >> > >> (2) open your main !Fonts typically inside !Boot. You should now be > >> looking at a lot of individual folders with the names of fonts. Note the > >> prescence or abscence of one calledd SwissB. > >> > >> (3) Copy SwissB from (1) into (2). > >> > >> (4) Back up a level to the main !Fonts and double click it. [snip] > > > >That does not work if there is a Messages file inside !Fonts, which there > >typically is on a RISC OS 5 system. The easiest way to get the font > >recognized is to delete !Fonts.Messages1 (unless you have made any changes > >to this file yourself you do not lose much by deleting it), followed by > >typing *FontInstall in a TaskWindow. > > Done that, and it worked like a dream. Many thanks. (Just checked, and I > had typed 'worked like a dram'! I'd give both you gentlemen a dram or > two if you were here). > I've an Iyonix (Aug 04), and have never had, as far as I'm aware, a 'Messages1' file within !Fonts. Adding fonts, when I first had the machine, I just bunged them into the existing !Fonts directory (as recommended above by DP); and there they were - Bob's yer Uncle! How does the Messages1 file get there? Is it perhaps invoked by using the 'recommended' way of adding fonts via the (double-click on )!Boot=> Configuration=> Fonts=> Install fonts procedure? Regards Roger -- Roger & Jacki Foden roger.foden@argonet.co.uk jacki.foden@argonet.co.uk http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAZdH-0002xo-A7-0002yA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAZdH-0002xo-A7; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:24:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAZdH-0002xo-A7; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:24:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAZdG-0004s7-EY; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:24:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAZcw-0006xl-42; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:23:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2DKNdf15816 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:23:39 GMT Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2DKNcx15812 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:23:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [195.82.127.159] (helo=Iyonix.pnyoung.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DAZcg-0003Nc-Dc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:23:38 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:23:31 GMT From: Dr Peter Young To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Mar 2005 Roger Foden wrote: [snip] > >Adding fonts, when I first had the machine, I just bunged them into the >existing !Fonts directory (as recommended above by DP); and there they >were - Bob's yer Uncle! Now, that's odd. I'm sure I also put some fonts into !Fonts when the Iyo was new, without any of the SwissB problems that started this thread. > >How does the Messages1 file get there? Is it perhaps invoked by using >the 'recommended' way of adding fonts via the >(double-click on )!Boot=> Configuration=> Fonts=> Install fonts >procedure? No, I'm pretty sure I never did this, except as detailed earlier in the thread, /after/ I had had the problem with manual installation of the troublesome font. Any ideas, you techies? :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:46 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAZiq-00033N-S8-000348."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAZiq-00033N-S8; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:30:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAZiq-00033N-S8; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:30:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAZiq-0000mW-IF; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:30:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAZia-0008WN-O7; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:29:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2DKTbk17356 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:29:37 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j2DKTbF17351 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:29:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.128.99]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.4) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:29:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:31:24 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <0221294b4d.michael@talibard.com> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've been holding back from posting this for days now but I no longer know why. The answer is to get Font Directory Prefessional. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:47 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAZzP-0004Zo-Ol-0004aN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAZzP-0004Zo-Ol; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:47:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAZzP-0004Zo-Ol; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:47:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAZzP-00075v-G3; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:47:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAZzB-0007Ck-SR; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:46:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2DKkl621208 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:46:47 GMT Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2DKkkC21205 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:46:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DAZz4-00057O-4k for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:46:46 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:44:07 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 13 Mar, Dr Peter Young wrote: > Any ideas, you techies? :-) Even with the smiley I suspect this is an inflammatory way to address the people who might be interested in helping you. You have your areas of specialised knowledge: are you therefore a "techie"? No, you are a human being and are entitled to be addressed as such, with civility and respect. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAatU-00023A-85-00023V."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAatU-00023A-85; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:45:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAatU-00023A-85; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:45:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAatU-0001uF-Bc; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:45:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAat7-0000pK-Gk; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:44:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2DLiUJ03684 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:44:30 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2DLiUV03679 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:44:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-191-92.access.as9105.com ([80.41.191.92]:10016 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAasv-0008vJ-RN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:44:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:26:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4d4b2e3228dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <0221294b4d.michael@talibard.com> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <0221294b4d.michael@talibard.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <0221294b4d.michael@talibard.com>, michael talibard wrote: > I've been holding back from posting this for days now > but I no longer know why. > The answer is to get Font Directory Prefessional. Possibly, though some of us prefer EasyFont Pro (Now from APDL). I have a vague recollection (I've been using EF since it first came out) from past font installs that more recent versions of EFP examine fonts before allow them to be initially installed, and doesn't permit broken fonts to be installed. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:50 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAbC7-0005bf-QG-0005bu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAbC7-0005bf-QG; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:04:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAbC7-0005bf-QG; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:04:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAbC6-00004V-Vy; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:04:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAbBu-0008O0-41; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:04:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2DM3tC09846 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:03:55 GMT Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2DM3t209842 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:03:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from du-008-0162.freeuk.com ([195.8.75.162] helo=freeuk.net) by relay.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DAbBi-0007ge-7F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:03:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:04:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4d4b31a8f1badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 13 Mar, Dr Peter Young wrote: > > Any ideas, you techies? :-) > Even with the smiley I suspect this is an inflammatory way to address > the people who might be interested in helping you. You have your areas > of specialised knowledge: are you therefore a "techie"? No, you are a > human being and are entitled to be addressed as such, with civility and > respect. I wouldn't see 'techie' as derogatory - in fact I would describe myself as being one in my field... I also agree that 'techies' are entitled to respect along with other humans... Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAbSE-0003a4-MF-0003aN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAbSE-0003a4-MF; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:20:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAbSE-0003a4-MF; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:20:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAbSE-0004tz-NQ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:20:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAbS1-000785-2R; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:20:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2DMKa215618 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:20:36 GMT Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.net.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2DMKZ315606 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:20:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [195.82.127.159] (helo=Iyonix.pnyoung.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DAbRr-00051I-7c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:20:35 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:20:27 GMT From: Dr Peter Young To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <2d1d334b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 13 Mar 2005 Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >In message of 13 Mar, Dr Peter Young wrote: > >> Any ideas, you techies? :-) > >Even with the smiley I suspect this is an inflammatory way to address the >people who might be interested in helping you. No, not so, but far otherwise. The smiley was intended to emphasise my lack of knowledge of things RISC OS, which is gradually being remedied by experts around here, including yourself. Apologies if offence was taken, as none was intended. >You have your areas of specialised knowledge: are you therefore a >"techie"? No, you are a human being and are entitled to be addressed >as such, with civility and respect. Agreed entirely, but my technical knowledge is limited to medicine in general and anaesthesia in particular, which is not a lot of use around here. With best Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAceK-0003RF-Sy-0003Rg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:52 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAceK-0003RF-Sy; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:37:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAceK-0003RF-Sy; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:37:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAceK-0005W2-QT; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:37:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAcdy-0002QP-9q; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:37:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2DNavI14970 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:36:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2DNauo14967 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:36:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DAcdk-0009qG-1O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:36:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:38:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4d4b3a38d9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 13 Mar, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 13 Mar, Dr Peter Young wrote: > > Any ideas, you techies? :-) > Even with the smiley I suspect this is an inflammatory way to address > the people who might be interested in helping you. If that's seen as inflammatory it might explain a few very odd reactions around the csa discussion groups. I'd certainly read it as no more than a simple statement that Peter acknowledges that a solution lies in the hand of people who know more than himself on the subject. Can I strongly suggest that readers assume that all postings are benign unless it is conclusively shown otherwise? We may not express things in the same way - but that doesn't mean that we intend to be insulting. > You have your areas of specialised knowledge: are you therefore a > "techie"? No, you are a human being and are entitled to be addressed as > such, with civility and respect. As a doctor Peter is by definition a techie in some subject. On formal occasions he may insist on the correct formalities - discussion lists and newsgroups aren't formal occasions. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:56 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAdtM-0005ef-Lx-0005eu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAdtM-0005ef-Lx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:57:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAdtM-0005ef-Lx; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:57:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAdtM-0001MF-HP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:57:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAdt4-00048z-Uo; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:56:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2E0uek30400 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:56:40 GMT Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2E0ueL30396 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:56:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DAdss-000OsO-KW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:56:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:54:08 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4d4b3a38d9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4b3a38d9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 13 Mar, John Cartmell wrote: > On 13 Mar, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > In message of 13 Mar, Dr Peter Young wrote: > > > > Any ideas, you techies? :-) > > > Even with the smiley I suspect this is an inflammatory way to > > address the people who might be interested in helping you. > > If that's seen as inflammatory it might explain a few very odd > reactions around the csa discussion groups. I'd certainly read it as > no more than a simple statement that Peter acknowledges that a > solution lies in the hand of people who know more than himself on the > subject. Can I strongly suggest that readers assume that all postings > are benign unless it is conclusively shown otherwise? We may not > express things in the same way - but that doesn't mean that we intend > to be insulting. But this is the point, the intention may not be there explicitly but the conduct may have overtones that are not intended. I saw this at its worst when I used to work with some marketing people. Many of them were quite scathin bout those who were not marketeers. If they had a problme, they wanted a magic wand waving. They were fond of demanding that techies appear when needed, do their work and then go away. My view was that they demeaned these usually hard-working people. > > You have your areas of specialised knowledge: are you therefore a > > "techie"? No, you are a human being and are entitled to be > > addressed as such, with civility and respect. > > As a doctor Peter is by definition a techie in some subject. On formal > occasions he may insist on the correct formalities - discussion lists > and newsgroups aren't formal occasions. But would he like us to call him a "techie"? Perhaps a more realistic comparison is that I do not see doctors appreciating it when laymen call them "medics" or, worse as some do, "quacks". Mind you, I am now a "wrinkly". -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAeX7-0004Ly-Gh-0004MC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAeX7-0004Ly-Gh; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:38:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAeX7-0004Ly-Gh; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:38:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAeX7-0004OU-0C; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:38:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAeWu-0002I9-OW; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:38:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2E1bpW08156 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:37:51 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2E1bpo08150 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:37:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DAeWk-0005vT-MS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:37:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:38:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4d4b454806john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4d4b3a38d9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 14 Mar, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > But would he like us to call him a "techie"? It's not an insult! Call someone an anorak and you're saying that he has a narrow and probably useless interest and you look down on him. Call someone a techie and you're saying that he has a useful interest and that you may rely on him. Are you confusing the two? -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAkJb-0000hM-Le-0000ju."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAkJb-0000hM-Le; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:48:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAkJb-0000hM-Le; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:48:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAkJb-0006KH-Hh; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:48:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAkJF-0001Os-1M; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:48:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2E7lhm06824 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:47:43 GMT Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.net.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2E7lgn06820 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:47:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [195.82.127.159] (helo=Iyonix.pnyoung.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DAkIg-0003JA-AN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:47:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:42:10 GMT From: Dr Peter Young To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <168a664b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4d4b3a38d9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4b454806john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4b454806john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 14 Mar 2005 John Cartmell wrote: >On 14 Mar, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >> But would he like us to call him a "techie"? > >It's not an insult! Call someone an anorak and you're saying that he has a >narrow and probably useless interest and you look down on him. Call someone >a techie and you're saying that he has a useful interest and that you may >rely on him. Are you confusing the two? > Many thanks, John. And thanks also to Tim for help elsewhere. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAkMI-0000ii-Pb-0000jH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAkMI-0000ii-Pb; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:51:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAkMI-0000ii-Pb; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:51:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAkMI-0007J7-PC; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:51:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAkLy-0002gJ-PQ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:51:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2E7odf07378 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:50:39 GMT Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2E7ocI07370 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:50:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-217-139.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.217.139]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450A6E0000BD for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:50:38 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:50:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4d4b674c36steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4d4b454806john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4d4b3a38d9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4b454806john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 14 Mar, John Cartmell wrote: > On 14 Mar, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > But would he like us to call him a "techie"? > It's not an insult! Call someone an anorak and you're saying that he has > a narrow and probably useless interest and you look down on him. Call > someone a techie and you're saying that he has a useful interest and > that you may rely on him. Are you confusing the two? I hope so, otherwise people are in the habit of insulting me. (OK,OK, it's quite likely any way...) -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:03 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAnx5-0006Im-Me-0006JU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAnx5-0006Im-Me; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:41:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAnx5-0006Im-Me; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:41:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAnx4-0003Yb-Rs; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:41:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAnwK-0003g9-U0; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:40:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2EBeb213680 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:40:37 GMT Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2EBeaS13669 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:40:36 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bb-195-172-53-115.ukonline.co.uk ([195.172.53.115] helo=nails.norbins) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1DAnw4-000PnO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:40:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:14:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Nagel Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: speaking for myself X-Return-Rcpt-To: jim@abbeypress.net X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon 14 Mar, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: ... > Mind you, I am now a "wrinkly". you sound like a Grumpy Old Man too, Tim! (takes one to know one.) -- jim -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:05 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAr1t-0000xw-Fm-0000ys."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:05 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAr1t-0000xw-Fm; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:58:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAr1t-0000xw-Fm; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:58:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAr1t-0003YO-MI; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:58:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAr1T-0002Og-RU; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:58:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2EEwBA10123 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:58:11 GMT Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2EEwB210113 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:58:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DAr1F-000LIP-PL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:58:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:56:57 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <60588e4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 14 Mar, Jim Nagel wrote: > On Mon 14 Mar, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > ... > > Mind you, I am now a "wrinkly". > > you sound like a Grumpy Old Man too, Tim! > (takes one to know one.) I am indeed, about other people being grumpy - and am aware that this is an oxymoron (right word?). -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:08 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAuaQ-0001c7-La-0001cz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAuaQ-0001c7-La; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:46:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAuaQ-0001c7-La; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:46:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAuaQ-00026c-Hi; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:46:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAuZp-0000mz-Os; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:46:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2EIjlG30644 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:45:47 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2EIjki30637 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:45:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DAuZV-0003rI-BN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:45:45 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:47:03 GMT From: David W Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <7c69a34b4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4d4b3a38d9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4b454806john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4b454806john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d4b454806john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > On 14 Mar, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > But would he like us to call him a "techie"? > > It's not an insult! Call someone an anorak and you're saying that he has a > narrow and probably useless interest and you look down on him. Call someone > a techie and you're saying that he has a useful interest and that you may > rely on him. Are you confusing the two? > Me? I often refer to myself as a non-techie! Where does that leave me? David -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:09 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAwzQ-0002TV-Sb-0002Tu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAwzQ-0002TV-Sb; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:20:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAwzQ-0002TV-Sb; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:20:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAwzQ-0002EP-Ls; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:20:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAwz5-0001kF-F3; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:20:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2ELJWQ06292 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:19:32 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2ELJVt06288 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:19:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-191-20.access.as9105.com ([80.41.191.20]:10009 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAwyJ-0004Ns-EQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:19:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:17:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: <4d4bb12e0cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <7c69a34b4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <414b2a4b4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4d4b3a38d9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4b454806john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <7c69a34b4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <7c69a34b4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk>, David W Mills wrote: > In message <4d4b454806john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> > John Cartmell wrote: > > On 14 Mar, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > > But would he like us to call him a "techie"? > > It's not an insult! Call someone an anorak and you're saying that he > > has a narrow and probably useless interest and you look down on him. > > Call someone a techie and you're saying that he has a useful interest > > and that you may rely on him. Are you confusing the two? > > > Me? I often refer to myself as a non-techie! Where does that leave me? > David I Have no illusions (or even allusions) I'm Mr Grumpy and I know it. Dave S AKA. Dr Grumpy Your friendly Shrink... (Once I was 6ft tall, but after a trip on der little boat of Scott Carey, I'm now 4ft 2). If you don't understand der choke, contact me at der klinnik. ;-) -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:11 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DAxAI-0001Pg-SK-0001Pz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DAxAI-0001Pg-SK; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:31:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAxAI-0001Pg-SK; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:31:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DAxAI-00060c-HI; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:31:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DAxA0-0007ZZ-KQ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:31:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2ELVRg11168 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:31:27 GMT Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2ELVQH11155 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:31:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [195.82.127.159] (helo=Iyonix.pnyoung.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DAx9q-0001yp-GG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:31:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:29:28 GMT From: Dr Peter Young To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with SwissB font. Message-ID: References: <5642064a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <9007154a4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <64d11f4a4d.roger@argonet.co.uk> <3668284b4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> <0221294b4d.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <0221294b4d.michael@talibard.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 13 Mar 2005 michael talibard wrote: > >I've been holding back from posting this for days now >but I no longer know why. > >The answer is to get Font Directory Prefessional. I have it; it wouldn't install the new font; I have no idea why. See several postings back! :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBJWw-0007Na-MB-0007OG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBJWw-0007Na-MB; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:24:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBJWw-0007Na-MB; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:24:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBJWw-0001rz-JA; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:24:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBJWV-0003kv-TQ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:24:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2FLNoL13337 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:23:50 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2FLNnD13329 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:23:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBJTx-000Ous-5b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:21:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:14:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) The problem with a cosy relationship between Publishers and Printers is that you get into a certain way of working that's OK - because it works. Then they change their software, it no longer works, and you have forgotten how it should have worked before you made all those odd little changes to suit one another. As the title may suggest - it's the problem of bleeds. So assume you want an A4 (210 x 297 mm) page printed to the edge with a 3mm bleed to ensure that, when it's printed on larger than A4 paper, it can be trimmed to exactly A4 with the bleed allowing for slight errors in trimming. What size do you make: the page in Ovation Pro's page guidelines - assuming that bleed items will run outside the page area; the page in Ovation Pro's page guidlines - assuming that bleed items will be within the page area; the paper size in !printers; and should the bleed box be ticked when printing to PS file? And if I produce a pdf file from the PS file and want to check if it's a page that bleeds up to an A4 page or bleeds out from the A4 page how do I check that if I only have an ordinary domestic A4 printer to hand? As you may have guessed one well-used setting has suddenly stopped working correctly! ;-( Help? -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:46 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBK32-0004qR-6R-0004qx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBK32-0004qR-6R; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBK32-0004qR-6R; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBK32-0004rb-M9; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:57:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBK2k-0005id-C0; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:57:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2FLvSY23435 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:57:28 GMT Received: from smtp-a.bsve.net (smtp-a.bsve.net [62.69.65.164]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j2FLvRn23432 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:57:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 5875 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 21:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?213.1.16.177?) (213.1.16.177) by 0 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 21:57:25 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:56:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bleeding Printers From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Always define page size as trimmed page size - there is always a difference between a defined document page and the size of the sheet it is printed on. In OP you simply define any frame to be located at x=-3mm or y=-3mm as required. In !Printers you need paper sizes like SRA4, SRA3 etc defined which are oversize to accommodate bleed, trim and registration marks. Either ask the printer for the size of his press or experiment until you have a page size which does not provoke a warning message (or if you have Impression that will tell you if the print area is larger than the paper area, and tell you what size is required. Bleed box should be ticked - there are occasions when you might not want bleed to print. To check bleed simply print at reduced size, say 80 or 90% with crop marks selected and you can see what is happening. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing On 15/3/05 9:14 pm, "John Cartmell" wrote: > The problem with a cosy relationship between Publishers and Printers is > that you get into a certain way of working that's OK - because it works. > Then they change their software, it no longer works, and you have forgotten > how it should have worked before you made all those odd little changes to > suit one another. > > As the title may suggest - it's the problem of bleeds. > > So assume you want an A4 (210 x 297 mm) page printed to the edge with a 3mm > bleed to ensure that, when it's printed on larger than A4 paper, it can be > trimmed to exactly A4 with the bleed allowing for slight errors in > trimming. > > What size do you make: > > the page in Ovation Pro's page guidelines > - assuming that bleed items will run outside the page area; > > the page in Ovation Pro's page guidlines > - assuming that bleed items will be within the page area; > > the paper size in !printers; > > and should the bleed box be ticked when printing to PS file? > > And if I produce a pdf file from the PS file and want to check if it's a > page that bleeds up to an A4 page or bleeds out from the A4 page how do I > check that if I only have an ordinary domestic A4 printer to hand? > > As you may have guessed one well-used setting has suddenly stopped working > correctly! ;-( > > Help? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBKJU-0007UK-J9-0007Um."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBKJU-0007UK-J9; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:14:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBKJU-0007UK-J9; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:14:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBKJU-00071H-PV; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:14:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBKJH-0007Qx-2Q; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:14:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2FMEa127614 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:14:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2FMEag27611 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:14:36 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBKH6-0004wL-5o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:12:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:14:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4c3a3e45mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.08) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > So assume you want an A4 (210 x 297 mm) page printed to the edge > with a 3mm bleed to ensure that, when it's printed on larger than > A4 paper, it can be trimmed to exactly A4 with the bleed allowing > for slight errors in trimming. > What size do you make: > the page in Ovation Pro's page guidelines - assuming that bleed > items will run outside the page area; > the page in Ovation Pro's page guidlines - assuming that bleed > items will be within the page area; I make Ovation Pro's "page size" the trimmed size of the page, i.e. A4 in this case. The frame containing the bleeding image (as it were) therefore goes beyond the page margins so I select View>Options>Pasteboard to see it all. The frame will be, say, 6mm bigger than A4 in each direction (216×303mm) and positioned at (-3mm,-3mm). > the paper size in !printers; To whatever size of paper the printer is using, usually SRA3 (320×450mm). You'll then need an appropriate imposition format (Booklet, Printers pairs, Thumbnails, etc.) so that Ovation Pro positions the pages appropriately on the paper. Crop marks, assuming you select them ("Printers marks" in the print dialogue box), mark the edge of the trimmed page which is the page size of the document -- hence the need to set Ovation Pro's page size to the intended trimmed size. > and should the bleed box be ticked when printing to PS file? Yes, otherwise Ovation Pro crops the page to the defined page size (i.e. where the crop marks are). Untick "bleed" when making, say, a PDF proof to send to someone to show them the effect of the final trimmed page. > And if I produce a pdf file from the PS file and want to check if > it's a page that bleeds up to an A4 page or bleeds out from the A4 > page how do I check that if I only have an ordinary domestic A4 > printer to hand? Scale it accordingly. If you select the correct paper size for your printer (A4), then in Ovation Pro's print dialogue box select "Printers marks" THEN "Fit", it will fit the whole imposed sheet) plus crop marks within the printable area of your A4 paper. Having said that, for one-off pages such as posters or leaflets I often set Ovation Pro's page size to the paper size and lay out the frames, crop marks, fold marks etc. on it myself, e.g. for a 6pp double-sided DL-size leaflet laid out for work-and-turn printing on SRA3. Also, one printing firm I use prefers to handle imposition itself, in order to maximise its workflow when working on several jobs at once, so asks for oversize PDFs, i.e. where the document page size is the final trimmed size plus bleed (216×303mm in the case of A4). Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBKwk-0005JL-Ff-0005K2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBKwk-0005JL-Ff; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:55:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBKwk-0005JL-Ff; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:55:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBKwk-0007UX-MK; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:55:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBKwU-0002MS-12; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:55:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2FMsvb04924 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:54:57 GMT Received: from mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout15.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.15]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2FMsvc04918 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:54:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050315225449.WFXZ22922.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:54:49 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050315225449.HUCW1352.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:54:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:37:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bleeding Printers To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Tue 15 Mar, John Cartmell wrote: > The problem with a cosy relationship between Publishers and Printers is > that you get into a certain way of working that's OK - because it works. > Then they change their software, it no longer works, and you have forgotten > how it should have worked before you made all those odd little changes to > suit one another. > > As the title may suggest - it's the problem of bleeds. > > So assume you want an A4 (210 x 297 mm) page printed to the edge with a 3mm > bleed to ensure that, when it's printed on larger than A4 paper, it can be > trimmed to exactly A4 with the bleed allowing for slight errors in > trimming. > > What size do you make: > > the page in Ovation Pro's page guidelines > - assuming that bleed items will run outside the page area; Make this A4, OPro does allow frames or lines which extend beyone the page edges (perhaps easier to view if you have the pasteboard display on). > the page in Ovation Pro's page guidlines > - assuming that bleed items will be within the page area; At least 216 x 303 mm - possibly larger if you want to put crop marks at teh corners which may extend beyond the bleed. > the paper size in !printers; Anything big enough to include the bleed and printers (crop) marks - A3 is easy but bigger than you need. You could create paper sizes for RA4 (215 x 305 mm), SRA4 (225 x 320 mm), or B4 (250 x 353 mm) if you know what size the litho printer will use. > and should the bleed box be ticked when printing to PS file? Yes, otherwise Opro will crop the output to the page diemnsions. I'd also add the Printers Marks to get corner crop marks and possibly mid-side registration marks if it is to be colour-separated. > And if I produce a pdf file from the PS file and want to check if it's a > page that bleeds up to an A4 page or bleeds out from the A4 page how do I > check that if I only have an ordinary domestic A4 printer to hand? I've just checked this by printing to PS file and using GView/Ghostscript to view the output. I think Riscript may also allow you to view the PS before converting to PDF. The PS and resulting PDF will have the page size set as the paper size in !printers, so the bleed should be visible even in the PDF > As you may have guessed one well-used setting has suddenly stopped working > correctly! ;-( > > Help? I set up a new single-page document with default master frame. Added a second frame X=-3mm, Y=-3mm, W=216mm, H=303mm, Fill colour magenta - Send this frame to Back and the default frame will be white within a magenta background. Set a PS printer to print to file and select A3 paper. Print including Bleed and Printers marks. View the file with GView/Ghostscript and see that the crop marks indicate the A4 paper size, the magenta area bleeds 3mm at each edge. Hope this encourages you to play for a few minutes to get a feel of how it works. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBM86-00066H-Qh-00066p."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBM86-00066H-Qh; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:11:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBM86-00066H-Qh; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:11:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBM86-0006nB-3g; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:11:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBM7o-0005ps-9P; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:11:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2G0Amp21844 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:10:48 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2G0Ale21841 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:10:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBM5Y-000Hka-48 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:08:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:09:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4c44c61bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4c3a3e45mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c3a3e45mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4c3a3e45mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, P. C. Newble wrote: > In article <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > John Cartmell wrote: [Snip] > Also, one printing firm I use prefers to handle imposition > itself, in order to maximise its workflow when working on several jobs > at once, so asks for oversize PDFs, i.e. where the document page size > is the final trimmed size plus bleed (216×303mm in the case of A4). Many thanks for all that Peter and Mike. That is where I started but had moved away from that in order to fit in with the Printers requirements. You've managed to convince me that advice I was given elsewhere is wrong. The sharing of your joint expertise is much appreciated. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:53 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBUhi-0002aY-O6-0002bO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBUhi-0002aY-O6; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:20:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBUhi-0002aY-O6; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:20:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBUhi-0001QP-8s; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:20:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBUh6-00087Q-Pp; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:20:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2G9Jfi27522 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:19:41 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2G9JeD27518 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:19:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBUgm-000162-9V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:19:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:19:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4c7718b9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4c44c61bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c3a3e45mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c44c61bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j2G9JfD27519 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4c44c61bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <4d4c3a3e45mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, > P. C. Newble wrote: > > In article <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > > John Cartmell wrote: > [Snip] > > Also, one printing firm I use prefers to handle imposition > > itself, in order to maximise its workflow when working on several jobs > > at once, so asks for oversize PDFs, i.e. where the document page size > > is the final trimmed size plus bleed (216×303mm in the case of A4). > Many thanks for all that Peter and Mike. That is where I started but > had moved away from that in order to fit in with the Printers > requirements. You've managed to convince me that advice I was given > elsewhere is wrong. The sharing of your joint expertise is much > appreciated. But as Peter said, some printers would prefer to handle the imposition side themselves, so the most important advice I'd give is ask the printer what they want - don't just give them what you think they need. If they want to handle all imposition they may not require any crop and registration marks as their software will add them along with colour bars etc. * If in doubt ask the people who will be printing your job * Acorn Publisher magazine has always been a good resource for this kind of information ;-) -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBV91-0001NB-Om-0001OH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBV91-0001NB-Om; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:48:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBV91-0001NB-Om; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:48:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBV91-0006im-FC; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:48:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBV8b-00052b-OJ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:48:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2G9mJl04439 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:48:19 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2G9mI204436 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:48:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBV6Q-000JCa-5G for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:46:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:47:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4c79b7d4john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4c7718b9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c3a3e45mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c44c61bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c7718b9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4c7718b9gav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4d4c44c61bjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > wrote: > > In article <4d4c3a3e45mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, P. C. Newble > > wrote: > > > In article <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > > > wrote: > > [Snip] > > > Also, one printing firm I use prefers to handle imposition itself, > > > in order to maximise its workflow when working on several jobs at > > > once, so asks for oversize PDFs, i.e. where the document page size > > > is the final trimmed size plus bleed (216×303mm in the case of A4). > > Many thanks for all that Peter and Mike. That is where I started but > > had moved away from that in order to fit in with the Printers > > requirements. You've managed to convince me that advice I was given > > elsewhere is wrong. The sharing of your joint expertise is much > > appreciated. > But as Peter said, some printers would prefer to handle the imposition > side themselves, so the most important advice I'd give is ask the > printer what they want - don't just give them what you think they need. I'll back that. The problem surfaced when the Printers request was for a change to making the pages sizes in Ovation oversize at 216 x 303 - and the result was not a happy one. > If they want to handle all imposition they may not require any crop and > registration marks as their software will add them along with colour > bars etc. > * If in doubt ask the people who will be printing your job * And don't assume that all will want the same. ;-) > Acorn Publisher magazine has always been a good resource for this kind > of information ;-) There is an AP/Qercus article being born! Very many thanks everyone, -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBX9d-0005fW-P1-0005gb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBX9d-0005fW-P1; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:57:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBX9d-0005fW-P1; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:57:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBX9d-0006qd-GG; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:57:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBX98-0001Co-25; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:57:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GBus425812 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:56:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2GBurW25805 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:56:53 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBX6b-0008kC-JD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:54:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:57:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > The problem with a cosy relationship between Publishers and Printers is > that you get into a certain way of working that's OK - because it works. > Then they change their software, it no longer works, and you have > forgotten how it should have worked before you made all those odd little > changes to suit one another. > As the title may suggest - it's the problem of bleeds. [Snip] There has been some superb assistance from people. Thanks. Next stage: Using a page size 210 x 297 (A4) I have my page and some items (eg rules and graphics that go to the edge of the page) extend out to 3mm beyond those boundaries. I have set my printer page to 225 x 320 and print to postscript file with bleed and all printers marks ticked. To check the work I then produce a pdf using RiScript with page limits set to A3. Only the left and bottom printers marks are shown. Now instead of printing to file I print at 70% to my laser printer. All printers marks are shown? Is this a PostScript or RiScript fault or might I be doing something silly as usual? If it's a RiScript fault then I can live with it - but need to get in touch with XAmple. If it's a PostScript problem then it's back to the drawing board. ;-( NB Small item: In the past I have not given any bleed on the fold edge of a page but it seems that the Printers would now prefer a 3mm bleed on all edges. More help? -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:44:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBXjJ-0002Bn-II-0002CP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:44:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBXjJ-0002Bn-II; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:34:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBXjJ-0002Bn-II; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:34:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBXjJ-0001kM-FK; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:34:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBXiz-0002eT-6d; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:34:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GCXwt07330 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2GCXwH07324 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBXgf-000BCJ-5W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:31:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.08) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > Using a page size 210 x 297 (A4) . . . I have set my printer page > to 225 x 320 and print to postscript file with bleed and all > printers marks ticked. To check the work I then produce a pdf using > RiScript with page limits set to A3. Only the left and bottom > printers marks are shown. . . . Doing exactly that I see all crop and registration marks in the RiScript window (RiScript v4.15, Ovation Pro v2.75). No need to set a page size in RiScript -- it will choose that itself when it sees the size of your document. The only thing I can think is that RiScript always seems to show just the bottom left-hand corner of a document when you open it, even if the paper size and chosen scale would allow you to see more on screen (very Style Guide compliant!). Don't take this the wrong way, but you haven't forgotten to maximise the window . . . ? > NB Small item: In the past I have not given any bleed on the fold > edge of a page but it seems that the Printers would now prefer a > 3mm bleed on all edges. I suppose it avoids confusion as to which edges are meant to bleed and which not. If their imposition software masks the fold edges of adjoining pages like Ovation Pro's "Printers pairs" etc. then any bleed there would be automatically lost anyway (although RiScript wouldn't display that aspect of a Postscript or PDF file properly because it has to ignore vector masks, because the drawfile format doesn't support them). Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:45:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBYPi-0006ez-BQ-0006fl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:45:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBYPi-0006ez-BQ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:18:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBYPi-0006ez-BQ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:18:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBYPi-0002KB-Az; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:18:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBYPB-00061A-PS; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:17:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GDERd29120 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:14:27 GMT Received: from smtp-c.bsve.net (smtp-c.bsve.net [62.69.65.166]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j2GDEQ829112 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:14:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 16531 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2005 13:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?213.1.31.191?) (213.1.31.191) by 0 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2005 13:14:00 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:11:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bleeding Printers From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) First point, check very carefully that paper size is properly defined and named, and that this paper size is selected under 'Configure'. What is described is exactly what you would expect to see if a paper size smaller than required was selected. A way of testing would be to generate a test page in PostScript and then email this to printers with request they run it through Distiller. If result is OK then fine, if result is same as with RiScript then I suspect problem is at your end. In the distant past I remember some versions of either !Printers or specific printer definition files giving this error. Re bleed on fold edge I think its simply a case of many designers not bothering about this nicety so most printers assume bleed all round and have their imposition software set up to cope. Trying to be helpful (and correct) then fails to fit the 'norm'. Again do what printers prefer. As an addendum to this, from experience imposition software has difficulty in positioning pages correctly if bleed and trim details are not the same throughout. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing On 16/3/05 11:57 am, "John Cartmell" wrote: > In article <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > wrote: >> The problem with a cosy relationship between Publishers and Printers is >> that you get into a certain way of working that's OK - because it works. >> Then they change their software, it no longer works, and you have >> forgotten how it should have worked before you made all those odd little >> changes to suit one another. > >> As the title may suggest - it's the problem of bleeds. > > [Snip] > There has been some superb assistance from people. Thanks. > > Next stage: > > Using a page size 210 x 297 (A4) I have my page and some items (eg rules > and graphics that go to the edge of the page) extend out to 3mm beyond > those boundaries. I have set my printer page to 225 x 320 and print to > postscript file with bleed and all printers marks ticked. To check the work > I then produce a pdf using RiScript with page limits set to A3. Only the > left and bottom printers marks are shown. > Now instead of printing to file I print at 70% to my laser printer. All > printers marks are shown? > > Is this a PostScript or RiScript fault or might I be doing something silly > as usual? > If it's a RiScript fault then I can live with it - but need to get in touch > with XAmple. If it's a PostScript problem then it's back to the drawing > board. ;-( > > NB Small item: > In the past I have not given any bleed on the fold edge of a page but it > seems that the Printers would now prefer a 3mm bleed on all edges. > > More help? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:45:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBYRx-0000Xd-Av-0000YD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:45:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBYRx-0000Xd-Av; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:20:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBYRx-0000Xd-Av; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:20:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBYRx-0001Ri-1g; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:20:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBYRR-00005d-0X; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:20:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GDJoc30601 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:19:50 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2GDJnY30596 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:19:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBYRB-0008KU-Ax for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:19:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:18:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4c8d06ccgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: [Snip] > Next stage: > Using a page size 210 x 297 (A4) I have my page and some items (eg > rules and graphics that go to the edge of the page) extend out to 3mm > beyond those boundaries. I have set my printer page to 225 x 320 and > print to postscript file with bleed and all printers marks ticked. To > check the work I then produce a pdf using RiScript with page limits set > to A3. Only the left and bottom printers marks are shown. Now instead > of printing to file I print at 70% to my laser printer. All printers > marks are shown? > Is this a PostScript or RiScript fault or might I be doing something > silly as usual? If it's a RiScript fault then I can live with it - but > need to get in touch with XAmple. If it's a PostScript problem then > it's back to the drawing board. ;-( > NB Small item: > In the past I have not given any bleed on the fold edge of a page but it > seems that the Printers would now prefer a 3mm bleed on all edges. > More help? I think you need to tell us what exactly they have ask for and what you are supplying to them. For example are you sending them each separate page of your document or do they want a two page spread? Do they require PostScript files, PDFs etc? Are the files RGB composites or CMYK separations? Do they require a single file per page, or multi paged files? If they have asked for an A4 page with bleed all round are you sure they still want printers marks around this page. I would imagine they would not, as they may want to re-build the document in exactly the same way as you are doing in OPro, i.e. an A4 with 3mm bleed, each of your separate pages would be dropped in and their software would impose to their requirements. The bleed areas along the adjoining pages would not be included - in exactly the same way as OPro does when printing Pamphlet or Printers pairs etc. On the other hand if they are wanting a two page spread then they will want a bleed around all sides of the A3 page. It all comes down to understanding what they are asking for - and for anyone on this list to be able to help further, it would help if we had the information to what you are trying to achieve. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:45:03 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBZlu-0003Y4-KT-0003Yk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:45:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBZlu-0003Y4-KT; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:45:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBZlu-0003Y4-KT; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:45:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBZlu-0007GF-4n; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:45:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBZkH-0006S4-6t; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:43:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GEhR523216 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:43:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2GEhQu23212 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:43:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBZhs-000PDS-Ic for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:41:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:40:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, P. C. Newble wrote: > In article <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > wrote: > > Using a page size 210 x 297 (A4) . . . I have set my printer page > > to 225 x 320 and print to postscript file with bleed and all > > printers marks ticked. To check the work I then produce a pdf using > > RiScript with page limits set to A3. Only the left and bottom > > printers marks are shown. . . . > Doing exactly that I see all crop and registration marks in the > RiScript window (RiScript v4.15, Ovation Pro v2.75). No need to set a > page size in RiScript -- it will choose that itself when it sees the > size of your document. > The only thing I can think is that RiScript always seems to show just > the bottom left-hand corner of a document when you open it, even if > the paper size and chosen scale would allow you to see more on screen > (very Style Guide compliant!). Don't take this the wrong way, but you > haven't forgotten to maximise the window . . . ? I hadn't but I was getting to the situation where I'd even welcome "You have plugged your computer into the socket on the wall..."! Your suggestion did lead me to find a *second* page size setting on RiScript (the 1st was in choices and the 2nd is at the bottom of the RiScript page) and that has solved *my* problem. I can now see all the Printer's marks. So why can't the Printer see them?! [Snip] many thanks, -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:45:04 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBa3r-0002GZ-Qd-0002HX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:45:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBa3r-0002GZ-Qd; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:03:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBa3r-0002GZ-Qd; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:03:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBa3r-0002w5-1S; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:03:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBa3F-0005d4-Gd; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:03:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GExAw29550 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:59:10 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2GEx8R29540 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:59:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBZwR-0003Rk-HG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:56:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:58:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4c96305ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4c8d06ccgav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c8d06ccgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4c8d06ccgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > John Cartmell wrote: > [Snip] > > Next stage: > > Using a page size 210 x 297 (A4) I have my page and some items (eg > > rules and graphics that go to the edge of the page) extend out to 3mm > > beyond those boundaries. I have set my printer page to 225 x 320 and > > print to postscript file with bleed and all printers marks ticked. To > > check the work I then produce a pdf using RiScript with page limits set > > to A3. Only the left and bottom printers marks are shown. Now instead > > of printing to file I print at 70% to my laser printer. All printers > > marks are shown? > > Is this a PostScript or RiScript fault or might I be doing something > > silly as usual? If it's a RiScript fault then I can live with it - but > > need to get in touch with XAmple. If it's a PostScript problem then > > it's back to the drawing board. ;-( > > NB Small item: > > In the past I have not given any bleed on the fold edge of a page but it > > seems that the Printers would now prefer a 3mm bleed on all edges. > > More help? > I think you need to tell us what exactly they have ask for and what you > are supplying to them. > For example are you sending them each separate page of your document or > do they want a two page spread? Do they require PostScript files, PDFs > etc? Are the files RGB composites or CMYK separations? Do they require > a single file per page, or multi paged files? [Snip] OK We've been having some problems with our Printers for Qercus for some time for reasons as I have already described - ie all ad hoc as work-arounds but now causing problems after the Printers have updated their software. In the meantime I have had to prepare some other work for another Printer and have taken the opportunity of learning on that to 'get back to basics' and try and tease out all the work-arounds that we've set up for Qercus that may be the cause of the problems. For Qercus there is no need for Printers' marks but I'm using them with a printing size of 225 by 320 as a guide to check that all is well before reverting to a printing size of 216 by 303 without Printers' marks. The other Printers have insisted on Printers' marks even though they're putting single pages together in the same way as is done in Qercus (the other is only an 8-page booklet but I cannot see why that should make any difference). Other than that the requirements are the same: single pages, pdfs if possible otherwise postscript files are accepted, composites, single file per page. I'm getting closer thanks to all the help here. I think maybe I need some fresh air, coffee and start again! ;-) Many thanks, -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:45:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBbQh-0007jg-Cj-0007kn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:45:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBbQh-0007jg-Cj; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:31:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBbQh-0007jg-Cj; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:31:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBbQh-00024x-Nn; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:31:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBbP3-0008Vz-Jp; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:29:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GGTfG30795 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:29:41 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2GGTdU30784 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:29:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBbMn-000K0f-5F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:27:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:29:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.08) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > Your suggestion did lead me to find a *second* page size setting on > RiScript (the 1st was in choices and the 2nd is at the bottom of > the RiScript page) and that has solved *my* problem. I can now see > all the Printer's marks. So why can't the Printer see them?! So was the problem that RiScript assumed the page size to be A4 (until you changed it to A3 using the option at the bottom of the window), but because you were printing A4+marks you were only seeing the bottom and left marks plus all but the top and right edges of the A4 page? If so I'd guess the name of the !Printers page size definition you were using starts with "A4". The Postscript driver embeds in its output a file from !Printers.ps.Paper to match the named paper size, UP TO its first space. The file "a4" (case-insensitive, obviously) contains nothing more than: %%BeginFeature: PageSize A4 a4 %%EndFeature So if in !Printers you create a paper size called "A4 oversize" (with a space in between) it will use !Printers.ps.Paper.a4 and therefore still instruct the printer to print A4 regardless of the actual dimensions of "A4 oversize". If, on the other hand, you call it "SRA3", or maybe "A4 oversize" with a HARD space in the middle, it will look for a file called "SRA4" or "A4 oversize". If it doesn't find one it instead inserts generic code containing the correct size rounded to the nearest point. For instance, at some point I created a !Printers paper size called "613×438pt (A5+bleed)". That doesn't match a Postscript paper definition finename, so instead when printing to file the resulting Postscript file contains: {613x438pt} The moral is to call your paper size definitions "SRA4", "Oversize A4" etc. rather than "A4 oversize", to stop !Printers using standard sizes, and to avoid confusion later on! I have recently found how useful these !Printers Postscript paper size files are. I bought a second-hand Lexmark A3 colour laser printer whose Mac driver allows you to select all sorts of options to do with paper feeding, colour rendering etc. which otherwise could only be selected via the printer's cumbersome front panel. Looking at the output from the Mac driver I was able to work out how these features were controlled and incorporate the code in RISC OS Postscript page definitions. Thus, as well as "a4", "a3" etc., that directory now contains files called "a4 lexmark card rear", "a4 lexmark rgb", "a4 lexmark cmyk rear", etc. For instance "a4 lexmark card rear"consists of: %%BeginFeature: *PageRegion A4 <> /PageSize [595 842] /ImagingBBox null >> setpagedevice %%EndFeature %%BeginFeature: *MediaType Card << /MediaType (Card Stock) /Policies << /MediaType 2 >> >> setpagedevice %%EndFeature %%BeginFeature: *OutputBin Rear << /OutputAttributes << /Priority[1 0] >> >> setpagedevice %%EndFeature In !Printers I have defined equivalent paper definitions for each of these (using hard spaces throughout!), all sharing the same graphics margins and only differing by name, which is used by !Printers to find the appropriate file in !Printers.ps.Paper. Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 16:53:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBblW-0000vb-A4-0000wd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:53:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBblW-0000vb-A4; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:53:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBblW-0000vb-A4; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:53:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBblV-0005Hc-UA; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:53:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBbku-0007wR-SM; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:52:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GGoTF04704 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:50:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2GGnwF04567 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:50:28 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBbg9-0006xF-Hu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:47:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:46:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Bleeding Printers Message-ID: <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4c34c582john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, P. C. Newble wrote: > If so I'd guess the name of the !Printers page size definition you were > using starts with "A4". The Postscript driver embeds in its > output a file from !Printers.ps.Paper to match the named paper size, UP > TO its first space. The file "a4" (case-insensitive, obviously) contains > nothing more than: > %%BeginFeature: PageSize A4 > a4 > %%EndFeature Well that seems to be it - but there is no space in my 'A4Extended'. I have to get ready for RONWUG now but I think I need to get back to experimenting with a new definition of 'ExtendedA4' - somewhere about midnight. ;-( Many thanks, -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 17:53:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBccK-0001fI-4E-0001fc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:53:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBccK-0001fI-4E; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:47:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBccK-0001fI-4E; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:47:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBccK-0001bo-3E; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:47:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBcbz-0000aq-Rt; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:47:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GHl4b24265 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:47:04 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2GHl3924252 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:47:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBcZi-000FNV-5F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:44:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:47:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.08) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, P. C. > Newble wrote: > > If so I'd guess the name of the !Printers page size definition > > you were using starts with "A4". . . . > Well that seems to be it - but there is no space in my > 'A4Extended'. . . . Aha! It seems I was only partly right. In that case the resulting Postscript contains: which a device (RiScript or a printer, presumably) seems to take to mean A4. It looks as though !Printers is trying to be a little too clever. For a long time I avoided paper size definitions starting with "A4" etc. because I'd read in Acorn Publisher or perhaps on Usenet that "A4", "A3" etc. at the beginning of the name would cause !Printers to use the standard page size, and evidently that advice was sound. However, as I said before, paper sizes called "210x297mm", "A4 oversize" (WITH a hard space), "Oversize A4" do work as I suggested, i.e. the actual size in points is used if no correspondingly-named file is found in !Printers.ps.Paper. Now if only DP could be persauded to port his work on direct Postscript output from Ovation Pro for Windows to the RISC OS version (at a price, naturally)! Then I wouldn't have to go through composite-colour Postscript output files either, changing RGB colour definitions back to CMYK because !Printers only works in RGB space . . . Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 22:23:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBgup-0003ZM-RJ-0003Zf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:23:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBgup-0003ZM-RJ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:22:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBgup-0003ZM-RJ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:22:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBgup-0004HB-AI; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:22:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBguU-0005mO-43; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:22:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GMGWW03142 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:16:32 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2GMGVr03137 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:16:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBgoP-000GxS-6W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:16:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:14:47 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Now if only DP could be persauded to port his work on direct >Postscript output from Ovation Pro for Windows to the RISC OS version I am often tempted. The direct PS stuff would bring new things to RISC OS like PostScript level 3 which resolves the huge amount of trouble surrounding masked images. However I doubt there is enough interest, and in any case you can just use the Windows version. I guess the only catch is that you need versions of the fonts that can be used on Windows. Maybe it would be better to spend the time on a quick way to use RISC OS fonts on Windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 23:03:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBhS0-0002L1-8q-0002La."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:03:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBhS0-0002L1-8q; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:57:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBhS0-0002L1-8q; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:57:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBhS0-0007LD-JD; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:57:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBhOv-0004Is-MT; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:54:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GMrZs09375 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:53:35 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j2GMrZs09372 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:53:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.130.190]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.4) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:53:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:55:22 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <7bd1c14c4d.michael@talibard.com> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > and in any case you can just > use the Windows version. Not those of us who have a principled objection to owning a Windows machine. :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 16 23:23:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBhq1-0005yv-48-00061l."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:23:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBhq1-0005yv-48; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:22:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBhq1-0005yv-48; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:22:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBhq1-00039r-4Y; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:22:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBhpf-0000Dr-MR; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:21:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2GNLau13782 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:21:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2GNLZY13778 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:21:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBhpX-0009hm-0K for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:21:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:20:21 GMT From: Jeremy Roberts To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <7bd1c14c4d.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <71bdc34c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00S) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <7bd1c14c4d.michael@talibard.com> michael talibard wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > > and in any case you can just use the Windows version. > > Not those of us who have a principled objection to owning a Windows > machine. :-) And here's another who's certainly not going to go down THAT route... Bit like eating at Macdonald's: why would I ever want to do that? Obviously, if you can't beat 'em, AVOID 'em. JR. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Now THAT's computing - simple - elegant - productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 00:23:47 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBihT-0003Ft-8b-0003GQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:23:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBihT-0003Ft-8b; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:17:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBihT-0003Ft-8b; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:17:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBihT-0007b5-Gg; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:17:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBih0-000612-8d; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:16:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2H0FMg25888 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:15:22 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2H0FLs25870 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:15:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBidF-000H9W-HH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:12:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:13:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <4d4cc8ee9ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Now if only DP could be persauded to port his work on direct > >Postscript output from Ovation Pro for Windows to the RISC OS version > I am often tempted. The direct PS stuff would bring new things to RISC > OS like PostScript level 3 which resolves the huge amount of trouble > surrounding masked images. > However I doubt there is enough interest [Snip] Just send me the invoice for a copy. ;-) -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 00:23:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBihY-00028A-6K-00028Z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:23:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBihY-00028A-6K; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:17:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBihY-00028A-6K; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:17:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBihY-0001ta-PO; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:17:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBih7-00060x-Hu; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:16:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2H0FHR25844 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:15:17 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2H0FGD25823 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:15:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBidG-000H9W-GG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:12:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:15:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <4d4cc926bcjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <7bd1c14c4d.michael@talibard.com> <71bdc34c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Jeremy Roberts wrote: > In message <7bd1c14c4d.michael@talibard.com> > michael talibard wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > and in any case you can just use the Windows version. > > > > Not those of us who have a principled objection to owning a Windows > > machine. :-) > And here's another who's certainly not going to go down THAT route... > Bit like eating at Macdonald's: why would I ever want to do that? It's actually one of the few places that you can guarantee being able to get a Vegetarian meal. ;-) But the question about Windows is much harder... -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 00:33:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBiu4-0001WN-7y-0001XJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:33:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBiu4-0001WN-7y; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:30:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBiu4-0001WN-7y; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:30:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBiu4-0003fz-8S; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:30:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBitr-0003vp-1F; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:30:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2H0TxI28243 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:29:59 GMT Received: from mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout17.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2H0Txi28240 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:29:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050317002954.CNIA21280.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:29:54 +0000 Received: from j8s0v7 ([80.5.10.222]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050317002954.ZGO1279.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@j8s0v7> for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:29:54 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c52a88$5be0b8a0$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:29:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) No, no,no, David! We really do not want to use Windows. We use RiscOS because we actually think it's better. I would find anything that fixes the Postscript clipping problems in RiscOS extremely helpful. I was rather under the impression that X-Ample had solved the problems with RiScript - supposedly demonstrated at Expo 2004 (see http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact1110.html). Am I waiting in vain? John Grogan ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs > >Now if only DP could be persauded to port his work on direct > >Postscript output from Ovation Pro for Windows to the RISC OS version > > I am often tempted. The direct PS stuff would bring new things to RISC > OS like PostScript level 3 which resolves the huge amount of trouble > surrounding masked images. > > However I doubt there is enough interest, and in any case you can just > use the Windows version. > > I guess the only catch is that you need versions of the fonts that can > be used on Windows. Maybe it would be better to spend the time on a > quick way to use RISC OS fonts on Windows. > > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 00:53:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBjE1-0000Nk-Pt-0000OA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:53:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBjE1-0000Nk-Pt; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:50:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBjE1-0000Nk-Pt; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:50:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBjE0-0005Ex-Rx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:50:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBjDe-0001dT-Fd; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:50:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2H0oOO30607 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:50:24 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2H0oOT30604 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:50:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBjBG-000KFL-IH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:48:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:49:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001501c52a88$5be0b8a0$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <001501c52a88$5be0b8a0$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <001501c52a88$5be0b8a0$6501a8c0@j8s0v7>, John Grogan wrote: > No, no,no, David! We really do not want to use Windows. We use RiscOS > because we actually think it's better. I would find anything that fixes > the Postscript clipping problems in RiscOS extremely helpful. I was > rather under the impression that X-Ample had solved the problems with > RiScript - supposedly demonstrated at Expo 2004 (see > http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact1110.html). Am I waiting in vain? There are other problems with the Postscript printers and RiScript only takes over when the printers have produced a file. If David would sort out the Postscript printers problem I'd kiss his feet. OK maybe he'd prefer it if I just sent some cash! ;-) As for RiScript - it's being beta tested and I'm hoping (praying!) for a release soon. From inside information (!) I had reckoned on having the upgrade before I took over Acorn Publisher. ;-( If both problems were sorted it would save me a great deal of wasted, frustratiung, and headache-producing time. Of course what's really needed is a combination of the two so that I can save even more time by printing straight to a pdf file. ;-) -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 02:03:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBkGR-0000Q4-3E-0000Qa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:03:52 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBkGR-0000Q4-3E; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:57:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBkGR-0000Q4-3E; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:57:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBkGQ-0005L6-RF; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:57:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBkG5-0002T1-DJ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:57:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2H1uuh16200 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:56:56 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2H1uuE16197 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:56:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBkDn-000PAf-3q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:54:47 +0000 Message-ID: <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:55:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <001501c52a88$5be0b8a0$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >There are other problems with the Postscript printers and RiScript only >takes over when the printers have produced a file. Yes, problems with clipping to an irregular shape are specific to RiscScript - although I believe the authors are working on a fixed version. Just to pick an example there's nothing to stop you creating an irregular frame in Ovation Pro and producing a PostScript file - it is all fine. The troubles start when you print a sprite with a mask (i.e. areas of transparency) to PostScript, regardless of if you use RiscScript. I suppose Acorn should get some credit, because to this day, Windows just ignores such objects. Anyway their efforts mean that sprites tend to print in millions of small pieces, along with lots of other odd effects. Even if you don't want to use Windows permanently, the current version of Ovation Pro for Windows will let you find if the PostScript generated is better for you. After all if your printer can't take level 3 a lot of the advantages will be lost. As it happens I've been working since Christmas on finishing the PostScript generation in Ovation Pro for Windows. What I had left undone was support for level 1 (and a bit of level 2). I also had a bit of a struggle getting OPW to work with the Adobe Acrobat PDF printer driver. That is now solved and direct PS should soon be better than the Windows drivers for everyone (not just those with level 3 printers). Direct PDF generation is a possibility. I guess it would not be too hard now. However on Windows at least, PDF printer drivers are being given away. We'll see if the PS code ever makes it to RISC OS. The problem comes down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 people want this feature, it is hard to justify spending a couple of weeks on it. Finally, I can see the point of view of those who don't want to use Windows. If RISC OS does all you want, don't change. If RISC OS doesn't do all you want, then look at Linux and Mac OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 02:43:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBkuQ-0000Ex-Jp-0000FO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:43:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBkuQ-0000Ex-Jp; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:38:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBkuQ-0000Ex-Jp; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:38:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBkuP-0000je-VL; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:38:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBktz-0003nq-Dp; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:38:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2H2cFE26134 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:38:15 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2H2cEi26130 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:38:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBkrl-0005uV-58 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:36:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:38:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: rs Message-ID: <4d4cd637ffmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.08) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > However I doubt there is enough interest, and in any case you can > just use the Windows version. Some might, but for me it's more efficient to work round the various problems in the RISC OS version, however frustrating they can be at times.. > I guess the only catch is that you need versions of the fonts that > can be used on Windows. Maybe it would be better to spend the time > on a quick way to use RISC OS fonts on Windows. Most of the fonts I use under RISC OS were converted from Windows fonts (and contain Type 1 and AFM files for Postscript printing) so for me at least that would not be a major problem. I have a Windows machine because of the need to run SADiE, a hardware-based audio editing platform which runs on a PC, and I have thus been unable to avoid Windows entirely for more than a decade, but I can't imagine a less productive environment for typography or design. In article <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > If David would sort out the Postscript printers problem I'd kiss > his feet. OK maybe he'd prefer it if I just sent some cash! ;-) In article <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > We'll see if the PS code ever makes it to RISC OS. The problem > comes down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 people want > this feature, it is hard to justify spending a couple of weeks on > it. I must be one of those twenty people, although the Postscript issue is not the only one that concerns me; I can't speak for anyone else, but Ovation Pro is the most important of the many tools I use to earn the greater part of my living, so it would be worth spending a significant sum (well, significant to me anyway) towards an improved version. I could never afford to pay outright for a bespoke program because I'd need to pay money to the programmer rather more quickly than I could earn it myself(!) but I could and would contribute both financially and as a beta tester. As far as I can remember there has only been one paid-for upgrade in its history, so for the overall amount I've spent on it to date the benefits have been huge. > Finally, I can see the point of view of those who don't want to use > Windows. If RISC OS does all you want, don't change. If RISC OS > doesn't do all you want, then look at Linux and Mac OS. RISC OS doesn't do everything I want, but nor do either Windows or Mac OS X, both of which I use too even though there is much about them (particularly Windows) which I dislike. Just as the RISC OS model of many individual programs, doing specific, limited jobs well within a co-operative environment, is better than the monolithic bloatware of Microsoft and Adobe, so it helps to share tasks between different machines and OSs, playing to their strengths. Hence I use Safari on the Mac about as much as Netsurf on the Iyonix; I use both PhotoDesk and DP's scanning software, but Adobe PhotoShop on the Mac just as much; I couldn't do without either RiScript on the Iyonix or Acrobat Distiller on the Mac; the best tool I've been able to find for converting PostScript fonts between Windows and Mac formats runs under Windows and the best tools for converting from Windows to RISC OS format run only on the RISC PC; I've tried Quark XPress and Adobe InDesign on the Mac, and I've even (once) had to use MS Word (wash my mouth out with soap!) But for serious, detailed textual work RISC OS, Ovation Pro, Zap etc. are an unbeatable combination alongside the likes of Pluto, so Ovation Pro for Windows can never be more than a small part of the answer. Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 14:35:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBoZC-0005eM-6n-0005g0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:35:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBoZC-0005eM-6n; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:33:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBoZC-0005eM-6n; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:33:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBoZB-0007Sc-Uz; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:33:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBoYv-0003zY-Dz; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:32:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2H6Wcj02968 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:32:38 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (B.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2H6WbJ02963 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:32:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.187.226.10] (helo=RISCPC20) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBoYe-0003Zf-Jy for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:32:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:33:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <4d4cebbaf6philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <7bd1c14c4d.michael@talibard.com> <71bdc34c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Jeremy Roberts wrote: > In message <7bd1c14c4d.michael@talibard.com> michael talibard > wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > and in any case you can just use the Windows version. > > > > Not those of us who have a principled objection to owning a Windows > > machine. :-) > And here's another who's certainly not going to go down THAT route... > Bit like eating at Macdonald's: why would I ever want to do that? > Obviously, if you can't beat 'em, AVOID 'em. > JR. Cor this awakened a few us up in Sleepy RiscOs Meadow !! Like a number (hopefully more than 20) I use RiscOs and Windows. Some lovely features on Windows, but as is very often been said, the productivity environment is so awful on Windows. I often liken using Windows, as like typing with mittens on, or running for the bus with only one leg in your trousers (including ladies). You get there but your kn&&&&rd at the end of it. Whoops I've sent this from the RiscPC. I usually like a challenge in the morning. Phil Coates -- .. This email has been sent from a RiscPC which does not run Windows, but it will more than likely read your files. philco@heter.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From tim@powys.org Thu Mar 17 14:35:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBp3w-0000T6-RP-0000T8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:35:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBp3w-0000T6-RP; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:04:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBp3w-0000T6-RP for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:04:56 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.212] (helo=ptb-relay01.plus.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBp3w-0002DU-CA for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:04:56 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DBp3v-0006Zo-R9 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:04:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:03:21 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <807eee4c4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message from David Pilling of 17 Mar you wrote: > We'll see if the PS code ever makes it to RISC OS. The problem comes > down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 people want this > feature, it is hard to justify spending a couple of weeks on it. I will pay up to £30 for such an upgrade to the RISC OS program. (21?) regards, -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 14:35:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBq8O-0004BT-BZ-0004Bq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:35:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBq8O-0004BT-BZ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:13:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBq8O-0004BT-BZ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:13:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBq8O-00062a-CA; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:13:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBq7x-0007u8-5h; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:13:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2H8Cvo21931 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:12:57 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2H8Cua21926 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:12:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-183-250.access.as9105.com ([80.41.183.250]:10160 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBq7k-0002oF-3H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:12:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:13:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: rs Message-ID: <4d4cf4ebc4dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d4cebbaf6philco@heter.co.uk> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <7bd1c14c4d.michael@talibard.com> <71bdc34c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4d4cebbaf6philco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4cebbaf6philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil wrote: > In article , Jeremy Roberts > wrote: > > In message <7bd1c14c4d.michael@talibard.com> michael talibard > > wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > and in any case you can just use the Windows version. > > > > > > Not those of us who have a principled objection to owning a Windows > > > machine. :-) > > And here's another who's certainly not going to go down THAT route... > > Bit like eating at Macdonald's: why would I ever want to do that? > > Obviously, if you can't beat 'em, AVOID 'em. > > JR. > Cor this awakened a few us up in Sleepy RiscOs Meadow !! > Like a number (hopefully more than 20) I use RiscOs and Windows. Some > lovely features on Windows, but as is very often been said, the > productivity environment is so awful on Windows. > I often liken using Windows, as like typing with mittens on, or running > for the bus with only one leg in your trousers (including ladies). You > get there but your kn&&&&rd at the end of it. > Whoops I've sent this from the RiscPC. I usually like a challenge in the > morning. > Phil Coates I think Phil, the number of us now using both RO machines for main work and Win (or other) PCs) for additional stuff is a lot larger than 20. My guess would be at least in hundreds. To paraphrase Mr Holden... "Horses for courses". It's all very well some folks being "principled"... Power to their elbow if that's what they want to do, but *I* cannot do what I need without *some* applications that run under MS-Windows. Firefox and PaintShop Pro to name but two. As for Win-Ovation Pro, what a boon to be able to use it on both RO an Win... Thanks David for your work. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 14:35:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBrWj-0007Z4-Kx-0007a6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:35:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBrWj-0007Z4-Kx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:42:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBrWj-0007Z4-Kx; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:42:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBrWj-0000sk-AR; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:42:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBrWN-0000SM-H9; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:42:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2H9gEn13461 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:42:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2H9gD213458 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:42:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBrTr-000NNk-Gl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:39:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:42:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <4d4cfd08b6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <001501c52a88$5be0b8a0$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Direct PDF generation is a possibility. I guess it would not be too hard > now. However on Windows at least, PDF printer drivers are being given > away. We would be more than willing to pay for it for RISC OS - although getting Postscript right - no chopped up bitmap images - should be a first priority. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 14:35:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBsBR-00025p-QL-00028g."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:35:20 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBsBR-00025p-QL; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:24:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBsBR-00025p-QL; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:24:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBsBQ-0005tT-SO; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:24:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBsB7-0007sn-IT; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:24:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HAONZ27463 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:24:23 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (B.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HAON627455 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:24:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBsAw-00027L-MM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:24:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:20:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: rs Message-ID: <4d4d0090acgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <001501c52a88$5be0b8a0$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > We'll see if the PS code ever makes it to RISC OS. The problem comes > down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 people want this feature, > it is hard to justify spending a couple of weeks on it. >From a purely monetary point of view, what would the couple of weeks work be worth? I suspect there are a number of us RISC OS users who are using Ovation Pro in a professional capacity that would be willing to pay towards getting this PS code integrated into the RISC OS version. If we knew what sort of cost would be involved maybe we could gauge the amount of interest. Over the years David, you have very kindly provided many updates and added a host of extra features to OPro with very little monetary gain. There has been on numerous occasions many offers from existing users willing to pay towards new features and upgrades, which you have declined. Maybe now is the time to consider accepting this financial incentive. I would certainly be willing to pay towards this feature. Also: One concern about using OPW for printing is the lack of support for embedded ArtWorks documents. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 14:35:22 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBsMa-0003hE-Q8-0003i9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:35:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBsMa-0003hE-Q8; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:36:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBsMa-0003hE-Q8; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:36:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBsMZ-0000ys-Pn; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:36:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBsM8-00030Y-TJ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:35:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HAZoh06497 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:35:50 GMT Received: from ppsw-8.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-8.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.138]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HAZo406488 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:35:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.230.151]:1336 helo=sds46) by ppsw-8.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.158]:25) with esmtp id 1DBsLr-0003sV-SE (Exim 4.44) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net (return-path ); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:35:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:34:40 GMT From: Simon Smith To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: rs Message-ID: <4ad7014d4d.Simon@sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d4d0090acgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4d0090acgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > We'll see if the PS code ever makes it to RISC OS. The problem comes > > down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 people want this feature, > > it is hard to justify spending a couple of weeks on it. > > From a purely monetary point of view, what would the couple of weeks > work be worth? > > I suspect there are a number of us RISC OS users who are using Ovation > Pro in a professional capacity that would be willing to pay towards > getting this PS code integrated into the RISC OS version. If we knew > what sort of cost would be involved maybe we could gauge the amount of > interest. > > Over the years David, you have very kindly provided many updates and > added a host of extra features to OPro with very little monetary gain. > There has been on numerous occasions many offers from existing users > willing to pay towards new features and upgrades, which you have > declined. Maybe now is the time to consider accepting this financial > incentive. I would certainly be willing to pay towards this feature. I'm going to briefly unlurk here to say that I would too. I use OvnPro extensively to produce work which is then handled by a Big Publisher, and even in cases where the specific features/improvements won't necessarily be of direct benefit to me, I'm more than willing to pay towards them. (And I suspect I'm far from the only one.) -- Simon Smith "I am myself only in music. Music is enough for a whole lifetime - but a lifetime is not enough for music." (Sergei Rachmaninov) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 14:35:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBsgL-0001od-Dt-0001q4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:35:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBsgL-0001od-Dt; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:56:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBsgL-0001od-Dt; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:56:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBsgL-00059h-47; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:56:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBsfu-0001sv-SN; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:56:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HAuAr16688 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:56:10 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HAuAB16682 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:56:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DBsfh-0006pX-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:56:09 +0100 Received: from [81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DBsfh-0000vu-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:56:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:56:03 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Vector formats on OvProWin Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.13a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1942118824--364211971--887124356"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1942118824--364211971--887124356 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need to produce a course manual on the next couple of months and want t= o use OvPro, as I have in the past. However, I now spend most of my time using linux. Fortunately, OvProWin seems to work fairly happily using CrossoverOffice under linux :-) So, a question - when I was using the RISC OS version, I knew which vecto= r format to use for my illustrations (Draw). Is there a suitable vector for= mat to use for the Windows version? For example, I have software that exports= SVG natively and wondered whether I could import SVG into OvPro? While on this subject, a little oddity with using OvPro under wine on lin= ux - fonts. In OvPro, I can see all my font families with no trouble. However,= it doesn't seem to like some of them. Annoyingly, it isn't even consistent: = I first noticed the problem importing an old RISC OS document - the fonts w= ere off, of course, so I tried to set new fonts but many fonts (including sta= ndard ones like Arial and Bitstream Sans) were displayed as a monospaced font (wrongly!). However, in another document, I could use Arial with no probl= ems. This issue is not directly a wine problem because fonts work perfectly un= der other applications, but it's a bit of a killer! It would be worth getting= it working properly under wine, because there is almost no real competition = in the linux space for OvPro and getting it working under wine, if it isn't = too much trouble, gives a huge extra market. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --1942118824--364211971--887124356 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCOWJIp6M/P/S/JWgRAh/JAJ0ZMDbw4qLZMuEKFLB+UmrJOWIuTACdHbf7 kjscljkMSj7s9ReuRIy5+yM= =YTxD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1942118824--364211971--887124356-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 14:35:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBtg8-0002HF-MS-0002Hg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:35:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBtg8-0002HF-MS; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:00:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBtg8-0002HF-MS; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:00:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBtg8-0000tX-Pl; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:00:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBtfY-0003od-Pf; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:00:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HBxkO13339 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:59:46 GMT Received: from lon-mail-4.gradwell.net (lon-mail-4.gradwell.net [193.111.201.130]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HBxjR13328 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:59:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from magpieway.net ([62.3.222.108] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.local ident=tony$pop3*vanderhoff#org) by lon-mail-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.181) id 42397130.902f.6c3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:59:44 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:59:37 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Vector formats on OvProWin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.13 (Qt/3.3.3) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) John Pettigrew wrote in message > I need to produce a course manual on the next couple of months and want to > use OvPro, as I have in the past. However, I now spend most of my time > using linux. Fortunately, OvProWin seems to work fairly happily using > CrossoverOffice under linux :-) > > So, a question - when I was using the RISC OS version, I knew which vector > format to use for my illustrations (Draw). Is there a suitable vector > format to use for the Windows version? For example, I have software that > exports SVG natively and wondered whether I could import SVG into OvPro? > > While on this subject, a little oddity with using OvPro under wine on > linux - fonts. In OvPro, I can see all my font families with no trouble. > However, it doesn't seem to like some of them. Annoyingly, it isn't even > consistent: I first noticed the problem importing an old RISC OS document > - the fonts were off, of course, so I tried to set new fonts but many > fonts (including standard ones like Arial and Bitstream Sans) were > displayed as a monospaced font (wrongly!). However, in another document, I > could use Arial with no problems. > > This issue is not directly a wine problem because fonts work perfectly > under other applications, but it's a bit of a killer! It would be worth > getting it working properly under wine, because there is almost no real > competition in the linux space for OvPro and getting it working under > wine, if it isn't too much trouble, gives a huge extra market. It would be even more wonderful if OPro (virtually the only reason I now turn on my RISC OS box) would run natively under Linux... I guess that's too much to hope for, David? -- Tony van der Hoff Buckinghamshire England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 14:35:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBuDC-0006LQ-6w-0006ME."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:35:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBuDC-0006LQ-6w; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:34:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBuDC-0006LQ-6w; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:34:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBuDB-00031o-VV; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:34:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBuCp-0007r2-VX; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:34:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HCYED26147 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:34:14 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.191]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HCYDe26141 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:34:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DBuCb-0007Y6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:34:13 +0100 Received: from [81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DBuCb-0001km-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:34:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:34:12 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Vector formats on OvProWin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.13a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1311435095--2087710320--1911456554"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1311435095--2087710320--1911456554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Tony van der Hoff wrote:= > It would be even more wonderful if OPro (virtually the only reason I no= w > turn on my RISC OS box) would run natively under Linux... I guess that'= s too > much to hope for, David? Couldn't agree more :-) I suspect that, if it runs OK under wine, it might be possible to compile= it using winelib so that there is no need for a separate wine installation. However, I've not tried generic wine, and CrossoverOffice comes with lots= of DLLs and library files to make stuff work better, so standard wine might = not work. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --1311435095--2087710320--1911456554 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCOXlEp6M/P/S/JWgRAgf9AKCOQjkjkTxdVhh9fwW+U0STzpe7vgCfQ5rB QqG6JbIn32Hw5eGEGGlwU0Q= =PxzE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1311435095--2087710320--1911456554-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 15:05:11 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBwPx-0003bU-4F-0003c7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:05:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBwPx-0003bU-4F; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:56:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBwPx-0003bU-4F; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:56:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBwPw-0002Q2-Nv; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:56:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBwPU-0000S8-7T; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:55:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HEtQs10668 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:55:26 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HEtOx10658 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:55:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBwN9-00054T-42 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:53:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:53:49 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Vector formats on OvProWin References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >So, a question - when I was using the RISC OS version, I knew which vector >format to use for my illustrations (Draw). Is there a suitable vector format >to use for the Windows version? As of now wmf/emf (windows meta file). > For example, I have software that exports SVG >natively and wondered whether I could import SVG into OvPro? It can't at the moment. What is likely is support for OLE/ActiveX which would allow e.g. the Adobe SVG renderer to be used transparently by OPW. >ones like Arial and Bitstream Sans) were displayed as a monospaced font >(wrongly!). However, in another document, I could use Arial with no problems. That is very puzzling. I'd be only too happy to sort matters out - but need more info. There is a lot of complexity behind the font handling. For example to get some information I have to read the True Type font files direct, in other words it will depend on Windows being emulated down to the last detail. Things like character widths are cached - so if they have the wrong spacing I'd expect that error to be maintained for the length of time the program runs. To put it another way once character spacing is wrong it is likely to stay wrong for the program run. That may give you a clue, is the problem provoked by some particular way of starting the program. There are three different types of fonts (on Windows) Open, True Type, and PS Type1's - again any connection with trouble? Winelib sounds interesting. If I could do a Linux version with a modest amount of effort that would be good. What I don't want is to spend years working on it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 15:15:11 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBwhW-0003Eu-Ag-0003Fz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:15:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBwhW-0003Eu-Ag; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:14:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBwhW-0003Eu-Ag; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:14:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBwhW-0003Zv-4E; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:14:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBwgx-0007Fi-L4; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:13:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HFDVV18333 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:13:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HFDU618329 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:13:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBwgj-000HFl-Kf for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:13:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:13:46 GMT From: Jeremy Roberts To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: rs Message-ID: References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d4d0090acgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ad7014d4d.Simon@sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ad7014d4d.Simon@sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00S) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ad7014d4d.Simon@sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk> Simon Smith wrote: > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > Over the years David, you have very kindly provided many updates and > > added a host of extra features to OPro with very little monetary gain. > > There has been on numerous occasions many offers from existing users > > willing to pay towards new features and upgrades, which you have > > declined. Maybe now is the time to consider accepting this financial > > incentive. I would certainly be willing to pay towards this feature. > > I'm going to briefly unlurk here to say that I would too. I use OvnPro > extensively to produce work which is then handled by a Big Publisher, and > even in cases where the specific features/improvements won't > necessarily be of direct benefit to me, I'm more than willing to pay > towards them. (And I suspect I'm far from the only one.) My sentiment, too, exactly! JR. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Now THAT's computing - simple - elegant - productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 15:35:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBx0K-0004jM-Rk-0004k8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:35:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBx0K-0004jM-Rk; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:33:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBx0K-0004jM-Rk; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:33:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBx0K-0005Li-De; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:33:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBx03-0001Kw-NJ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:33:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HFXLS25318 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:33:21 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HFXKd25310 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:33:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DBwzw-00047X-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:33:20 +0100 Received: from [81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DBwzw-0006YC-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:33:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:33:19 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Vector formats on OvProWin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.13a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1605361023--1072208848--1469187028"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1605361023--1072208848--1469187028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > So, a question - when I was using the RISC OS version, I knew which v= ector > > format to use for my illustrations (Draw). Is there a suitable vector= > > format to use for the Windows version? >=20 > As of now wmf/emf (windows meta file). It'll just have to be high-res bitmaps, then. WMF/EMF not well supported = on linux, for some strange reason :-) > There is a lot of complexity behind the font handling. For example to g= et > some information I have to read the True Type font files direct, in oth= er > words it will depend on Windows being emulated down to the last detail.= These are TrueType fonts, the kosher versions. They work perfectly under linux, as well as in MS Office under wine. However, there are flaws in wi= ne and I guess OvPro is falling through one of these. TBH, the best way of sorting it out, especially if you'd like to investigate a linux version, = is to talk to CodeWeavers, who maintain the CrossoverOffice version of wine (http://www.codeweavers.com/). They have a good, open development model a= nd are very responsive. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummi= es!=20 --1605361023--1072208848--1469187028 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCOaM/p6M/P/S/JWgRAjbZAJ0Q68SvGhCKIxAm/H5d0DKlimhu3gCeJMep WyBwCRgnpnWWlRg5cj8x/js= =Lwp3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1605361023--1072208848--1469187028-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 15:55:13 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBxCj-0003zP-FA-00040X."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:55:13 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBxCj-0003zP-FA; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:46:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBxCj-0003zP-FA; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:46:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBxCj-0006u3-HR; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:46:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBxCP-0005N8-Ca; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:46:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HFk7R29486 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:46:07 GMT Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HFk6M29483 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:46:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonixpc.workgroup ([82.32.7.157]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:46:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:36:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: rs Message-ID: <4d4d1d763djack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d4d0090acgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ad7014d4d.Simon@sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.08) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2005 15:46:43.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[8471A420:01C52B08] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Jeremy Roberts wrote: > In message <4ad7014d4d.Simon@sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk> Simon Smith > wrote: > > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > > Over the years David, you have very kindly provided many updates > > > and added a host of extra features to OPro with very little > > > monetary gain. There has been on numerous occasions many offers > > > from existing users willing to pay towards new features and > > > upgrades, which you have declined. Maybe now is the time to > > > consider accepting this financial incentive. I would certainly be > > > willing to pay towards this feature. > > > > I'm going to briefly unlurk here to say that I would too. I use > > OvnPro extensively to produce work which is then handled by a Big > > Publisher, and even in cases where the specific > > features/improvements won't necessarily be of direct benefit to me, > > I'm more than willing to pay towards them. (And I suspect I'm far > > from the only one.) You're not - me too! Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 16:15:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBxWh-0000Vm-SE-0000X9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:15:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBxWh-0000Vm-SE; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:07:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBxWh-0000Vm-SE; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:07:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBxWh-0004fc-I7; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:07:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBxVw-0003Xj-AS; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:06:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HG6CI04578 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:06:12 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HG6CZ04574 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:06:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DBxVj-0006lx-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:06:11 +0100 Received: from [81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DBxVj-0007TV-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:06:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:06:08 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Vector formats on OvProWin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.13a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1491332865--875204906--706173670"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1491332865--875204906--706173670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > There is a lot of complexity behind the font handling. Actually, having checked a bit further, the problem with Arial has gone a= way (so was possibly a problem with the imported document I saw the issue in)= . However, I am still unable to use the Bitstream Vera family. Whenever I p= ick a member of this family (Bitstream Vera Sans, Bitstream Vera Sans Mono or Bitstream Vera Serif), the font that is actually displayed appears to be Courier New (or, at least, no visible change occurs when I change to Cour= ier New). Indeed, having checked a postscript printout, the font defined is Courier_New_Regular. This font family is a genuine Bitstream font family, and works fine in al= l other apps, so I've no idea what's going on! This family is one of those = with + signs next to the TT indicator in the font menu, whatever that means, although all the other fonts with this mark appear to work properly. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --1491332865--875204906--706173670 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCOarwp6M/P/S/JWgRAhScAJ9pEhdLESR0fLtOsF9m9zIKXjl1CACgoZsW EkwZ7MQck5Do/0j3L3Bzt9M= =WOot -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1491332865--875204906--706173670-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 16:35:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBxwz-0005RS-9U-0005SA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:35:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBxwz-0005RS-9U; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:34:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBxwz-0005RS-9U; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:34:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBxwz-0001DC-NW; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:34:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBxwZ-0006Rf-4V; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:33:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HGXYH14830 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:33:34 GMT Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HGXYd14822 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:33:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.208.17]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:34:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Ron. Briscoe" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:35:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: rs Message-ID: <4d4d22e1f8ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <001501c52a88$5be0b8a0$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2005 16:34:10.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[25C9E7A0:01C52B0F] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > We'll see if the PS code ever makes it to RISC OS. The problem comes > down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 people want this feature, > it is hard to justify spending a couple of weeks on it. I strongly suspect that you are mistaken and that we are quite willing to pay for such an upgrade. I feel that I owe you some money anyway for all the free 32bit upgrades to my collection of your excellent software. Regards Ron. Regards Ron. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 17:05:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DById-0000c0-Qb-0000cb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:05:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DById-0000c0-Qb; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:56:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DById-0000c0-Qb; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:56:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DById-000089-3G; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:56:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DByHg-0005T7-Q7; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:55:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HGtNM24282 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:55:23 GMT Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HGtMf24269 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:55:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-3394.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.237.66] helo=localhost.com.freeuk.com) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1DByHI-0000cs-Hq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:55:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:55:12 GMT From: Kevin Corney To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4cc8ee9ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4cc8ee9ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d4cc8ee9ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > >Now if only DP could be persauded to port his work on direct > > >Postscript output from Ovation Pro for Windows to the RISC OS version > > > I am often tempted. The direct PS stuff would bring new things to RISC > > OS like PostScript level 3 which resolves the huge amount of trouble > > surrounding masked images. > > > However I doubt there is enough interest > > [Snip] > > Just send me the invoice for a copy. ;-) > And me. -- Kevin Corney, Emley, West Yorkshire, HD8 9RG Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten. - W. Ulbricht -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 18:25:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DBzcw-0003Go-L3-0003HL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:25:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DBzcw-0003Go-L3; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:21:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBzcw-0003Go-L3; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:21:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DBzcw-0002WG-Au; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:21:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DBzcc-0005WN-IW; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:21:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HILGQ16215 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:21:16 GMT Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HILFX16210 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:21:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from standalone ([62.31.103.98]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:21:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William McNee To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:22:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: rs Message-ID: <4d4d2ca3e2wulliemc@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4cf4ebc4dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <7bd1c14c4d.michael@talibard.com> <71bdc34c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4d4cebbaf6philco@heter.co.uk> <4d4cf4ebc4dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2005 18:21:52.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[31297160:01C52B1E] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4cf4ebc4dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > I think Phil, the number of us now using both RO machines for main work > and Win (or other) PCs) for additional stuff is a lot larger than 20. > My guess would be at least in hundreds. Yes, you can add 1 to that number as of 2 weeks ago. I mainly use the PC for playing games (the reason I bought it) and use VRPC for e-mail and internet, and go over to the PC for problem sites. OE really is ugly...X-O William -- Using Virtual RISC PC Adjust on a Special Reserve MAXX PC The best of both worlds www.virtualacorn.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 19:45:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DC0tL-0000t2-DZ-0000tS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:45:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DC0tL-0000t2-DZ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:42:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC0tL-0000t2-DZ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:42:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC0tL-0003Mr-0p; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:42:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DC0sw-0006V0-9h; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:42:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HJg9b05665 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:42:09 GMT Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HJg8X05643 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:42:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.25.17] (helo=myriscpc.nom) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1DC0sh-000K0L-Dn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:42:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:42:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Arthur Taylor Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor @ home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Thu 17 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > As it happens I've been working since Christmas on finishing the > PostScript generation in Ovation Pro for Windows. What I had left undone > was support for level 1 (and a bit of level 2). > > I also had a bit of a struggle getting OPW to work with the Adobe > Acrobat PDF printer driver. That is now solved and direct PS should soon > be better than the Windows drivers for everyone (not just those with > level 3 printers). > > Direct PDF generation is a possibility. I guess it would not be too hard > now. However on Windows at least, PDF printer drivers are being given > away. > > We'll see if the PS code ever makes it to RISC OS. The problem comes > down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 people want this feature, > it is hard to justify spending a couple of weeks on it. > I'd like to add my support/encouragement for you bringing these improvements to the RISC OS version. I'm only a tiddler in the DTP field, producing a few newsletters, documents, posters etc for myself or local clubs/charities, but the days of supplying 'camera-ready' hard copy to the printers are on the way out and I'm starting to try the postscipt - pdf route. I'd certainly be willing to pay for this sort of upgrade - please go ahead. Regards, (P.S. I will *not* be using the Windows version, although Linux is a possibility some time in the future) -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 21:35:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DC2Uq-0004WO-Hz-0004X1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:35:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DC2Uq-0004WO-Hz; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:25:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC2Uq-0004WO-Hz; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:25:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC2Uq-00044X-E7; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:25:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DC2Uc-0006RS-Ak; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:25:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HLPBf01625 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:25:11 GMT Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HLP9G01619 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:25:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DC2UN-000OEZ-6K for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:25:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:24:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: rs Message-ID: <4d4d3d5d55evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d4d1d763djack@ljsevans.co.uk> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d4d0090acgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ad7014d4d.Simon@sds46.clare.cam.ac.uk> <4d4d1d763djack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d4d1d763djack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans wrote: > You're not - me too! Make that one more. Evan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 21:35:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DC2eI-0004Hg-KT-0004Jf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:35:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DC2eI-0004Hg-KT; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:35:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC2eI-0004Hg-KT; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:35:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC2eI-0001sY-5u; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:35:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DC2e0-0001C7-Cm; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:35:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HLYxp03477 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:34:59 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HLYwS03474 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:34:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DC2du-00082t-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:34:58 +0000 Message-ID: <5Qo8I6DlefOCFw1C@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:33:25 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Vector formats on OvProWin References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Bitstream Vera Serif), the font that is actually displayed appears to be >Courier New (or, at least, no visible change occurs when I change to Courier >New). Indeed, having checked a postscript printout, the font defined is >Courier_New_Regular. Hmm. Well can be some sort of OS oddity, could of course be legitimate OP behaviour - if there's some reason why the font should not change. Something you could do, is open the Chars window (F11) and pick the font from the menu there. >+ signs next to the TT indicator in the font menu, whatever that means, It means the font has more than one member, you can see the members by pressing cursor right when the font name is highlighted, or hold down control to see the sub menu all the time. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 21:45:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DC2lI-0006IN-8t-0006Ip."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:45:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DC2lI-0006IN-8t; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:42:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC2lI-0006IN-8t; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:42:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC2lI-0006Ro-K0; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:42:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DC2kz-0006n0-TI; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:42:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HLgCf05010 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:42:12 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HLgCL05007 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:42:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dsl-80-41-191-237.access.as9105.com ([80.41.191.237]:10149 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DC2kt-000Cst-IR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:42:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:44:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Vector formats on OvProWin Message-ID: <4d4d3f1f28dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , John Pettigrew wrote: [Snip] > So, a question - when I was using the RISC OS version, I knew which > vector format to use for my illustrations (Draw). Is there a suitable > vector format to use for the Windows version? [Snip] You can still use Drawfiles.aff I have an application installed on my XP box called Aspex Draw, it can both Load Edit/Work on and Save Drawfiles. And of course if you have DplngScan for Windows you can work on Spritefiles.ff9 Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 17 22:05:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DC356-0004o0-PR-0004ol."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:05:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DC356-0004o0-PR; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:03:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC356-0004o0-PR; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:03:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC356-0002SD-Mj; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:03:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DC34p-0003LG-9t; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:02:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2HM2cj09552 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:02:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2HM2cp09549 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:02:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DC34f-000JXe-Li for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:02:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:01:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs References: <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks for the encouragement about PostScript. We'll see how it goes. The first thing is to get it finished for Windows, and then test it. The thing I have yet to do is support masked images for PS level 1 and 2. So it remains to be seen if I do any better than Acorn at that. So lets see if it is desirable for RISC OS at all. A couple of thoughts are that you would not want totally stand alone PS anyway. Artworks graphics have to be supported - the Artworks render code generates its own PostScript (fatal flaw if that uses RISC OS for things like sprites - Martin?). Secondly there are various methods of inserting bits of PostScript for printer specific features like duplexing, again I suppose they would have to be supported. If OP generates its own PS it can do things like CMYK colours which will always be far beyond any RISC OS printer driver. However things like using level 3 extensions for masked images are probably doable with a bit of tinkering with the existing RISC OS drivers. I wonder there has been any serious effort to get ROSL/Castle to sort it out? >(P.S. I will *not* be using the Windows version, although Linux is a >possibility some time in the future) One of my first insights into software (in about 1980) was that it is not something you can do on your own. What I was thinking was that everyone can't write their own operating system. At the time it was possible to design your own hardware architecture and then write your own operating system to run on it. Problem was that you'd be the only person using them. Anyway today numbers matter even more. You need large numbers of users to have a viable operating system. I was interested to read the figures Paul Middleton quoted recently for the numbers of machines Acorn had sold. I always say that it was a danger sign when Acorn stopped quoting sales figures in about 1989. Given how small the numbers are it is quite amazing what was achieved. So you may say "*I* am going to use RISC OS till hell freezes over" but *you* will find yourself doing many 1000's of man years of programming. To have any relevance what you have to say is "I and my 5 million buddies are going to use RISC OS..." -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 18 02:15:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DC6xc-0001PF-QW-0001Pd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:15:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DC6xc-0001PF-QW; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:11:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC6xc-0001PF-QW; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:11:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC6xc-0002IA-28; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:11:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DC6xE-0002Jl-GL; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:11:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2I2ASV15585 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:10:28 GMT Received: from grunt11.ihug.co.nz (grunt11.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2I2AQo15567 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:10:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 203-118-155-178.ham.wave.co.nz (albion.cs.waikato.ac.nz) [203.118.155.178] by grunt11.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DC6wR-0006uk-00; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:10:24 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:27:04 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Vector formats on OvProWin Message-ID: <4d4d4e0cb7kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >So, a question - when I was using the RISC OS version, I knew which vector > >format to use for my illustrations (Draw). Is there a suitable vector format > >to use for the Windows version? > As of now wmf/emf (windows meta file). > > For example, I have software that exports SVG > >natively and wondered whether I could import SVG into OvPro? > It can't at the moment. What is likely is support for OLE/ActiveX which > would allow e.g. the Adobe SVG renderer to be used transparently by OPW. [snip] I seem to remember that there was some thought of changing to/adding the use of a suitable xml mark-up language (OPxl??) to your quiver, so in that vein accepting SVG and making a suitable renderer handle it on RISCOS - W**** - linux would seem a consistent option. Having Artworks2, I regularly generate SVG from it for use in application/xhtml+svg web documents - wonderful stuff! There is a Firefox build which renders these quite nicely - but that is native - not 'plug-in'. I know there is a RISCOS browser plug-in - I seem to remember something to do with WSS - but I don't know if it is complete or up to SVG 1.1 at present. Just a nudge in the SVG direction!! Regards, Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 18 02:15:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DC6xd-00015M-Ar-000167."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:15:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DC6xd-00015M-Ar; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:11:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC6xd-00015M-Ar; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:11:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DC6xd-0005zO-7T; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:11:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DC6xE-0002J6-61; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:11:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2I2AQH15562 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:10:26 GMT Received: from grunt11.ihug.co.nz (grunt11.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2I2AOB15544 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:10:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 203-118-155-178.ham.wave.co.nz (albion.cs.waikato.ac.nz) [203.118.155.178] by grunt11.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DC6wO-0006uk-00; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:10:21 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:14:44 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <4d4d4ceb91kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <001501c52a88$5be0b8a0$6501a8c0@j8s0v7> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > We'll see if the PS code ever makes it to RISC OS. The problem comes > down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 people want this feature, > it is hard to justify spending a couple of weeks on it. Put me down for a copy please! > Finally, I can see the point of view of those who don't want to use > Windows. If RISC OS does all you want, don't change. If RISC OS doesn't > do all you want, then look at Linux and Mac OS. Indeed _ I use a linux laptop - but really only for handling xml - many times a day - when I'm not generating it under RISCOS using StrongEd or PHP. Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 18 14:03:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DCDhB-0005FQ-7q-0005GJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:03:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DCDhB-0005FQ-7q; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:23:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCDhB-0005FQ-7q; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:23:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCDhB-0003CI-67; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:23:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DCDgv-0001IN-Ok; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:22:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2I9Ma118591 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:22:36 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2I9MZH18588 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:22:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cpc3-cmbg4-5-0-cust55.cmbg.cable.ntl.com[81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1DCDge1xMK-000732; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:22:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:22:10 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] fonts on OvProWin in linux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5Qo8I6DlefOCFw1C@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <5Qo8I6DlefOCFw1C@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.13a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1264036172--472510612--1251822617"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1264036172--472510612--1251822617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > Bitstream Vera >=20 > Hmm. Well can be some sort of OS oddity, could of course be legitimate = OP > behaviour - if there's some reason why the font should not change. >=20 > Something you could do, is open the Chars window (F11) and pick the fon= t > from the menu there. Well, the Chars window shows the same font AFAICS as the main screen if I= select Bitstream Vera. > > + signs next to the TT indicator in the font menu, whatever that mean= s, >=20 > It means the font has more than one member, you can see the members by > pressing cursor right when the font name is highlighted Ah - that shows a possible cause. All other fonts that I could see had an= entry "(Regular)". However, the Bitstream Vera family has members Bold, B= old Oblique, Oblique and Roman. No (Regular). Might that be it? John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --1264036172--472510612--1251822617 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCOp3Fp6M/P/S/JWgRAkcIAJsEXeaV6UJ3GkpQ9pQvR1EArdnkxQCfVRyt RZ5Av3UXpRxkOHE/8QdHXq0= =Zdig -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1264036172--472510612--1251822617-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 18 14:03:38 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DCFEu-0003NF-Gw-0003OG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:03:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DCFEu-0003NF-Gw; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:02:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCFEu-0003NF-Gw; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:02:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCFEu-0007MX-1N; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:02:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DCFEY-0000JK-NJ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:01:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2IB1J628930 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:01:19 GMT Received: from mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout19.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2IB1I228924 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:01:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050318110113.QMDC2577.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:01:13 +0000 Received: from Donkey.my.home ([82.16.4.165]) by aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050318110113.SHBS10174.aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@Donkey.my.home> for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:01:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:01:12 GMT From: David Mc Dowell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <2f1b884d4d.DMcD@ntlworld.com> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d4d4ceb91kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4d4d4ceb91kh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d4d4ceb91kh@waikato.ac.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: > In article <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > [snip] > > > We'll see if the PS code ever makes it to RISC OS. The problem comes > > down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 people want this feature, > > it is hard to justify spending a couple of weeks on it. > > Put me down for a copy please! > > > Finally, I can see the point of view of those who don't want to use > > Windows. If RISC OS does all you want, don't change. If RISC OS doesn't > > do all you want, then look at Linux and Mac OS. > And another, please! Regards, David. -- David Mc Dowell: RISC OS 4 Authorised Installer Acorn User since discovering the 'Atom' in 1978 Secretary: Bottisham Acorn Users Group - BAUG Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 18 14:03:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DCGeG-0007mY-Ov-0007nR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:03:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DCGeG-0007mY-Ov; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:32:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCGeG-0007mY-Ov; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:32:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCGeG-0003Tn-Gf; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:32:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DCGdo-0002Ke-L0; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:31:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2ICVMu31500 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:31:22 GMT Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2ICVLm31488 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:31:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1DCGdL-000Evj-HD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:31:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:25:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <4d4d8fd2acnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2f1b884d4d.DMcD@ntlworld.com> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d4d4ceb91kh@waikato.ac.nz> <2f1b884d4d.DMcD@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > In message <4d4d4ceb91kh@waikato.ac.nz> > Keith Hopper wrote: > > In article <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David > > Pilling wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > We'll see if the PS code ever makes it to RISC OS. The > > > problem comes down to numbers, if as I suspect less than > > > 20 people want this feature, it is hard to justify > > > spending a couple of weeks on it. > > > > Put me down for a copy please! > > > > > Finally, I can see the point of view of those who don't > > > want to use Windows. If RISC OS does all you want, don't > > > change. If RISC OS doesn't do all you want, then look at > > > Linux and Mac OS. > > Et mois aussi svp [(:-) -- besters.. Ned === -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 18 14:23:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DCIGy-0006rJ-S0-0006rt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:23:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DCIGy-0006rJ-S0; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:16:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCIGy-0006rJ-S0; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:16:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCIGy-0002yU-Fm; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:16:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DCIGX-0004Hg-SZ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:15:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2IEFdq17547 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:15:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2IEFYU17493 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:15:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DCIE8-000M8a-3c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:13:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:14:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] fonts on OvProWin in linux References: <5Qo8I6DlefOCFw1C@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Well, the Chars window shows the same font AFAICS as the main screen if I >select Bitstream Vera. That is interesting. I can't see why if there is a problem with a font it would get replaced with another - what would control which other font was used? Now of course OPW has lots of font mapping and substitution built into it. I suggested using the character window because that is one of the places with the least substitution possible. Even so if you had a font map set up (Misc->Font Manager) you could achieve the results you report - presumably though you don't have such a map. >Ah - that shows a possible cause. All other fonts that I could see had an >entry "(Regular)". However, the Bitstream Vera family has members Bold, Bold >Oblique, Oblique and Roman. No (Regular). That should not be a problem. I suppose problems with the name might be a possible scenario, OPW mangles font name in some way, operating system defaults to Courier for any fonts names it can't find. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 18 14:53:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DCIiS-0006xz-8Z-0006yl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:53:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DCIiS-0006xz-8Z; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:44:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCIiS-0006xz-8Z; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:44:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCIiS-0004e1-FO; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:44:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DCIhw-0007ED-3G; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:44:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2IEi6329153 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:44:06 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2IEi4i29117 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:44:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DCIho-0004fC-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:44:04 +0100 Received: from [81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DCIhn-000448-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:44:04 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:44:01 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] fonts on OvProWin in linux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <5Qo8I6DlefOCFw1C@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.13a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1033114768--773972224--470373298"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1033114768--773972224--470373298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > Well, the Chars window shows the same font AFAICS as the main screen = if I > > select Bitstream Vera. >=20 > That is interesting. I can't see why if there is a problem with a font = it > would get replaced with another - what would control which other font w= as > used? Oddly, OvPro *does* get the oblique character of the displayed font right= , even though it seems to be Courier New Oblique. However, I can't make it display Bitstream Vera. Has anyone tried this font family in Windows? It's freely available for download from http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ Oh, and if we get this sorted o= ut, the licence allows free distribution with any software... > Even so if you had a font map set up (Misc->Font Manager) you could ach= ieve > the results you report - presumably though you don't have such a map. I've tried disabling all options within the Font manager, to no avail. BTW, while thinking about the Chars function - any chance that the font s= ize used will be configurable? The default is tiny on my (1600x1200) screen. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --1033114768--773972224--470373298 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCOukyp6M/P/S/JWgRAhiSAJ9V7pUnOhvuX2LZuO/8QGvrumDw6ACdHADG /ieYia6bKMpUgfoKBJexzCM= =TNwk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1033114768--773972224--470373298-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 18 18:13:38 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DCLto-0006Y1-Rm-0006Yk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:13:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DCLto-0006Y1-Rm; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:08:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCLto-0006Y1-Rm; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:08:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCLto-0002y6-Eo; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:08:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DCLtS-0003IH-C1; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:08:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2II85I31190 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:08:05 GMT Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2II84q31187 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:08:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from du-005-0124.freeuk.com ([212.126.146.124] helo=freeuk.com.bapfish.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DCLtD-000MwB-7s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:08:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:58:05 GMT From: Bernard Veasey To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] rs Message-ID: <7357774d4d.Bernard@bapfish.freeuk.com> References: <4d4ca07941editor@qercus.com> <4d4c8594f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c88ead3mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4c94774ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4c9e802dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca00d38john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4d4ca5960fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4d4ccc3ce2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4d4d4ceb91kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4d4d4ceb91kh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <$TGNohKcOOOCFwkZ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > We'll see if the PS code ever makes it to RISC OS. The problem comes > down to numbers, if as I suspect less than 20 people want this feature, > it is hard to justify spending a couple of weeks on it. I would love to have this feature too please! -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 18 19:53:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DCNPj-0000Ii-7W-0000JC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:53:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DCNPj-0000Ii-7W; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:45:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCNPj-0000Ii-7W; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:45:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCNPj-000663-24; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:45:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DCNPJ-0006HK-Qa; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:45:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2IJj0o28671 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:45:00 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2IJixq28661 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:45:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DCNP1-000P2t-Jb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:44:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:43:30 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] fonts on OvProWin in linux References: <5Qo8I6DlefOCFw1C@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Has anyone tried this font family in Windows? It's freely available for >download from http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ Oh, and if we get this sorted out, >the licence allows free distribution with any software... The link from that page does not download. I got them from: http://www.december14.net/fonts.shtml#family I'm not sure if these are the right fonts, 10 fonts in total, 2 families of 4 and 1 family of 2. They show up with "Regular" in OPW. Bitstream Vera Sans Bitstream Vera Sans Mono Bitstream Vera Serif -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 19 13:27:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DCUHV-0002Ro-IM-0002qR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:27:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DCUHV-0002Ro-IM; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:05:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCUHV-0002Ro-IM; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:05:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCUHV-00065j-FW; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:05:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DCUHT-0008KK-35; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:05:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2J354218616 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:05:04 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2J351m18598 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:05:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DCUGr-0007yj-Av for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:05:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:03:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] fonts on OvProWin in linux References: <5Qo8I6DlefOCFw1C@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >BTW, while thinking about the Chars function - any chance that the font size >used will be configurable? The default is tiny on my (1600x1200) screen. Yes. It is not just right as it is. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 19 13:27:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DCdc4-0003NH-IJ-0003PR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:27:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DCdc4-0003NH-IJ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:03:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCdc4-0003NH-IJ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:03:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCdc4-0001TG-B2; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:03:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DCdby-0001E9-E9; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:03:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2JD2UF17977 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:02:30 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2JD2UX17973 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:02:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DCdb4-0007FZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:02:30 +0100 Received: from [81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DCdb3-0003Zm-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:02:29 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:02:25 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] fonts on OvProWin in linux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <5Qo8I6DlefOCFw1C@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.13a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1478897617--1446369338--7154048"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1478897617--1446369338--7154048 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > Has anyone tried this font family in Windows? It's freely available f= or > > download from http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ >=20 > The link from that page does not download. I got them from: >=20 > http://www.december14.net/fonts.shtml#family Strange, it works here (just tried again to be sure). Probably some trans= ient error. One advantage of the Gnome page is that it does show you the licen= ce. > I'm not sure if these are the right fonts, 10 fonts in total, 2 familie= s of > 4 and 1 family of 2. They show up with "Regular" in OPW. They look like the right fonts to me. Given that they work in OPW on Wind= ows, I assume it's some odd effect of wine and will just have to avoid these f= onts=20 :-) It's still strange that MSWord can use these fonts fine under wine b= ut OPW can't - I wouldn't have expected that they did anything *too* radical= ly different with fonts! John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummi= es!=20 --1478897617--1446369338--7154048 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCPCLlp6M/P/S/JWgRAnAYAJsH5KRg3zUx/WUCGHhQFkJIIk5JOgCfQhXV Sr6Z4O83l+ATlBVPUXZ5JGY= =bvmi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1478897617--1446369338--7154048-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 19 13:47:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DCeHB-0002fV-NK-0002gP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:47:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DCeHB-0002fV-NK; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:46:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCeHB-0002fV-NK; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:46:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCeHB-0001Eo-1S; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:46:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DCeGl-0007AW-Cn; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:45:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2JDjRW28346 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:45:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2JDjRh28343 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:45:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DCeEV-0006M0-3o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:43:15 +0000 Message-ID: <2NYvP2BhyCPCFwsr@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:44:01 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] fonts on OvProWin in linux References: <5Qo8I6DlefOCFw1C@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >They look like the right fonts to me. Given that they work in OPW on Windows, >I assume it's some odd effect of wine and will just have to avoid these fonts >:-) It's still strange that MSWord can use these fonts fine under wine but >OPW can't - I wouldn't have expected that they did anything *too* radically >different with fonts! What puzzles me is that I get a (Regular) font name, whilst you said these fonts displayed "Roman". That's why I wonder if they are the same. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 19 18:07:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DCiCZ-0000aQ-Lj-0000bB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:07:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DCiCZ-0000aQ-Lj; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:57:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCiCZ-0000aQ-Lj; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:57:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DCiCZ-0000HA-Hw; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:57:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DCiC6-0002FA-ME; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:57:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2JHukd27638 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:56:46 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2JHujB27635 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:56:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DCiBp-00089v-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:56:45 +0100 Received: from [81.96.74.55] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DCiBp-0003kp-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:56:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:56:43 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] fonts on OvProWin in linux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2NYvP2BhyCPCFwsr@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <5Qo8I6DlefOCFw1C@pilling.demon.co.uk> <2NYvP2BhyCPCFwsr@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.13a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="695318102--2063228741--1669147099"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --695318102--2063228741--1669147099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > What puzzles me is that I get a (Regular) font name, whilst you said th= ese > fonts displayed "Roman". >=20 > That's why I wonder if they are the same. I've uninstalled the version I had and reinstalled using the link from th= e site you found, to no avail. I still see no (Regular) entry in the fonts = list (restarted OvPro in between), and still see the substitution of Courier N= ew in its place. I can only assume it's some odd wine thing, though why it strikes only Ov= Pro I cannot imagine. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --695318102--2063228741--1669147099 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCPGfcp6M/P/S/JWgRAiCSAJ4klys+jBCZczrowA2wKHUSu9sq2QCfeYr9 NPZqbSemIg4sJKkjwM/WBVE= =Lrff -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --695318102--2063228741--1669147099-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 24 14:38:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DEQGP-0002F9-B1-0002G3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:38:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DEQGP-0002F9-B1; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:12:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEQGP-0002F9-B1; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:12:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEQGP-0004Nh-53; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:12:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DEQGI-0005xA-7B; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:12:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2OBBS701031 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:11:28 GMT Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2OBBQw01016 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:11:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DEQFI-000BE8-74 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:11:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:09:14 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe Message-ID: <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] A book scanner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,PORN_4,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've just heard of an interesting book scanner that does not wreck the spines of books when you press down on them to get a decent copy. It avaoids the need for such pressing. Have a look at: http://www.plustek.com/products/book.htm Apparently it is available for £170 or so. Would anyone else be interested in joining in and asking nice kind Mr Pilling what fee he might charge to do a driver for this machine? (If that can be done of course; it may be that it has a MS-only interface.) -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 24 14:38:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DEQny-0000lD-Hd-0000m3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:38:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DEQny-0000lD-Hd; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:47:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEQny-0000lD-Hd; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:47:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEQny-0005x2-4n; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:47:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DEQnf-0007Lq-Rf; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:46:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2OBklu26847 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:46:47 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2OBkka26843 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:46:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DEQnW-0002us-DC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:46:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:46:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] A book scanner Message-ID: <4d50a34fa8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,PORN_4,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > I've just heard of an interesting book scanner that does not wreck the > spines of books when you press down on them to get a decent copy. It > avaoids the need for such pressing. That's how the photocopier at Manchester Poly library worked (circa 1990). And Plustek call it innovative and have a patent pending? > Have a look at: > http://www.plustek.com/products/book.htm > Apparently it is available for £170 or so. It would work better if you put it on a stand so that the non-copied side of the book could remain flat and vertical. The library's photocopier was large and the (near) vertical perspex sheet was 40-50 cm tall. > Would anyone else be interested in joining in and asking nice kind Mr > Pilling what fee he might charge to do a driver for this machine? (If > that can be done of course; it may be that it has a MS-only interface.) I think this will count as asking! ;-) -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 24 14:38:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DER9l-0001Ry-5R-0001So."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:38:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DER9l-0001Ry-5R; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:09:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DER9l-0001Ry-5R; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:09:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DER9l-0002ru-Er; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:09:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DER9d-0002w8-CT; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:09:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2OC9Tl03804 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:09:29 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j2OC9Ta03800 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:09:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.128.107]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.4) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:09:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:11:20 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] A book scanner Message-ID: References: <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id j2OC9Ta03801 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PORN_4, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I've just heard of an interesting book scanner that does not wreck the > spines of books when you press down on them to get a decent copy. It > avaoids the need for such pressing. > > Have a look at: > > http://www.plustek.com/products/book.htm > > Apparently it is available for £170 or so. > > Would anyone else be interested in joining in and asking nice kind Mr > Pilling what fee he might charge to do a driver for this machine? (If > that can be done of course; it may be that it has a MS-only interface.) > Yes, I certainly would be interested in this. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Mar 24 22:38:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DEaud-0003B6-3v-0003BU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:38:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DEaud-0003B6-3v; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:34:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEaud-0003B6-3v; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:34:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEauc-0007Ub-WE; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:34:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DEauH-0001tn-R0; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:34:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2OMY5v18748 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:34:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2OMY5C18745 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:34:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DEatw-00097Q-Le for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:34:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:32:26 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] A book scanner References: <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Would anyone else be interested in joining in and asking nice kind Mr >Pilling what fee he might charge to do a driver for this machine? (If >that can be done of course; it may be that it has a MS-only interface.) Firstly Plustek would have to make available the interface. In the past they were very good to me. That was about the time Linux took off, and they have made the same information available to Linux developers. Given this new scanner involves patented technology they may be less open about it at first. As usual you'll find the answer to this question when a Linux driver appears. "interface" here does not mean a few escape sequences, on past form it will be 1000's of lines of C/C++ source code. Second you'd have to enthuse me - not easy. In October, John Ballance at Castle sent me an Epson 1670 to do a driver for. As it happens that scanner uses the Agfa Snapscan interface for which I already have a driver. So something of an open goal. I've not done it and the scanner is going back. At this stage in proceedings what you want is something like gimp print, something that takes Linux Sane drivers and produces a RISC OS TWAIN driver. ISTR someone approaching me and saying this was what they were doing. I gave them some source code... When I wrote the majority of my scanner drivers, Linux drivers did not exist, and it was new work, now it would be duplicating the Linux stuff. It is an interesting scanner. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 25 01:58:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DEdxv-0002tv-S5-0002uI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:58:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DEdxv-0002tv-S5; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:50:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEdxv-0002tv-S5; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:50:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEdxv-0001VG-Ge; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:50:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DEdxp-0001GM-J2; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:50:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2P1nox01793 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:49:50 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2P1nnO01790 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:49:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DEdv2-000OqX-GG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:47:24 +0000 Message-ID: <$7ENCFJt32QCFw2$@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:48:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] A book scanner References: <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <8d58e0504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8d58e0504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Thanks. I supect the cost for the few number who might be interested >(I am biased and am _very_ interested) might be more even than buying a >PC to run it off as an alternative. Does of course depend on what you have in mind. If for example you're going to scan 1000's of pages in books. Or perhaps you were thinking of selling a turnkey system featuring a RISC OS computer (to libraries, Iyonix computers are very quiet) then producing a driver would be viable. For a turnkey system you'd probably not even want a TWAIN driver, just take the Plustek code and compile it. What I doubt is viable, is writing a driver and then hoping people will come along and buy it. On past form I'd sell a handful of drivers. What is never obvious with scanner drivers is the trouble one can get in to. In theory it is a very simple job. In reality things go wrong - scanner makers supply the wrong information (time after time), scanners prove incompatible with the hardware on RISC OS computers (I had about six SCSI cards). The last Plustek I wrote a driver for, weeks of messing about and weird results. Turned out mine had a broken mirror inside it. At that point Plustek discontinued it. There's also the question of user satisfaction. If the results are less than perfect, then the scanner maker is not going to give any support. People often say "couldn't you reverse engineer a driver". Yes I can do that, but what usually happens is you get 95% of the thing to work and the other 5% is something only the maker understands. Again with the Plusteks, one or two RISC PC's would not work with them. So what did you say to someone who had just bought a scanner and software and found it wouldn't work? Sticking RISC OS machines into turnkey packages is probably one of the few ways of gaining new users. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 25 13:52:08 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DEk6g-0000vW-A1-0000vv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:52:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DEk6g-0000vW-A1; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:23:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEk6g-0000vW-A1; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:23:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEk6f-0005hk-UP; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:23:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DEk6c-0003fV-7f; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:23:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2P8NRJ26577 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:23:27 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2P8NQi26574 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:23:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from user-2066.l3.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.136.18] helo=Phoebe) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1DEk6I-0004jO-3q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:23:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:23:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A book scanner Message-ID: <4d51148159mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Second you'd have to enthuse me - not easy. In October, John Ballance at > Castle sent me an Epson 1670 to do a driver for. As it happens that > scanner uses the Agfa Snapscan interface for which I already have a > driver. So something of an open goal. I've not done it and the scanner > is going back. Does this mean that a driver for the Epson 1670 is available? I've currently got an AGFA 1236S scanner, but would love to be able to use the Epson. Would it work with both USB stacks? -- How about a beer, Norm? That's that amber sudsy stuff, right? I've heard good things about it! ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 25 13:52:10 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DEkok-0001aN-FH-0001an."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:52:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DEkok-0001aN-FH; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:09:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEkok-0001aN-FH; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:09:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEkok-00031P-IW; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:09:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DEkoB-0001kZ-Kh; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:08:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2P98XE24971 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:08:33 GMT Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2P98X824966 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:08:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DEknw-000EHZ-LB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:08:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:06:19 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: A book scanner Message-ID: <5f7018514d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4d51148159mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d51148159mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 25 Mar, Mark Fraser wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > Second you'd have to enthuse me - not easy. In October, John Ballance at > > Castle sent me an Epson 1670 to do a driver for. As it happens that > > scanner uses the Agfa Snapscan interface for which I already have a > > driver. So something of an open goal. I've not done it and the scanner > > is going back. > > Does this mean that a driver for the Epson 1670 is available? I've > currently got an AGFA 1236S scanner, but would love to be able to use the > Epson. Would it work with both USB stacks? In view of David's obvious reluctance to continue with writing Twain drivers, it might be worth considering what is being developed in the Unix field in the SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) project: http://www.sane-project.org/intro.html I wonder if there is a chance that, after the massive Firefox Project, the Unix Porting project could turn its attention to this? (Would it have any similarities to Martin Wuerthner's Printer Gimp project?) As ever the problem is that of providing a fair reward for the people who do the work. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 25 13:52:10 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DEnGw-0007Yb-3X-0007Z8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:52:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DEnGw-0007Yb-3X; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:46:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEnGw-0007Yb-3X; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:46:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEnGv-0000t8-J0; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:46:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DEnGt-00005T-2W; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:46:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2PBkDX13323 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:46:13 GMT Received: from mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout18.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2PBkDe13315 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:46:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050325114608.FLWG12495.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:46:08 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050325114608.QJZU5678.aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:46:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:45:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Mailmerge and POBar To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have been using mailmerge in OPro (2.73 RISC OS 4.39) for the first time and found it easy to use and the manual clear on how to cope with addresses of varying number of lines. I used !POBar to generate the text string to barcode each postcode (only 10 addresses so not too bad), added that to the CSV file and defined the relevant Merge tag to be the correct style (14pt POBar font) so I cn print envelopes with that much of the barcode on them. Would it be possible to use a field definition in mailmerge to call !POBar and generate the barcode at merge time? For example if field 6 is the postcode [Merge 6] will print it plain and field 7 reads field 6 and converts it so [Merge 7] is the barcode? Aside - there was a question here recently asking whether the Royal Mail had changed the barcode because the person asking has seen different barcode on letters received from that generated by !POBar. I wonder whether the reason is the inclusion of the Delivery Point? The !POBar help clearly states that the Delivery Point is not simply house number and is unlikely to be easily guessed. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 25 14:12:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DEpNw-0004Ey-6l-0004Ff."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:12:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DEpNw-0004Ey-6l; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:02:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEpNw-0004Ey-6l; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:02:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEpNv-0005GX-TO; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:02:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DEpNq-0007mb-Kt; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:01:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2PE1S215269 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:01:28 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2PE1R015262 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:01:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DEpNO-0000CI-M7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:01:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:00:08 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: A book scanner References: <69db9f504d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4d51148159mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d51148159mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Does this mean that a driver for the Epson 1670 is available? No, it means the opposite. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 25 14:12:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DEpTY-0007PW-Md-0007Q5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:12:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DEpTY-0007PW-Md; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:07:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEpTY-0007PW-Md; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:07:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEpTX-00075E-RH; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:07:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DEpTV-0004Ca-7H; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:07:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2PE7XR16142 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:07:33 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2PE7Xt16139 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:07:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DEpTI-000PLS-9B for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:07:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:06:23 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailmerge and POBar References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Would it be possible to use a field definition in mailmerge to call !POBar >and generate the barcode at merge time? Yes. See page 182 (chapter 12 verse 7.4). >changed the barcode because the person asking has seen different barcode on >letters received from that generated by !POBar. I think they just have their own internal format in addition. I notice Archive magazine now comes with a bar code on - usually stuck over the address label. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Mar 25 15:22:04 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DEqdE-0005AQ-AW-0005Ao."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:22:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DEqdE-0005AQ-AW; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:21:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEqdE-0005AQ-AW; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:21:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DEqdE-00015s-3D; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:21:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DEqcv-0007EI-NF; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:21:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2PFLNa05310 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:21:23 GMT Received: from mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout15.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.15]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2PFLMY05304 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:21:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050325152118.LCSI12099.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:21:18 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050325152118.ZKRK1187.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:21:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:13:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mailmerge and POBar To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Fri 25 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > >Would it be possible to use a field definition in mailmerge to call !POBar > >and generate the barcode at merge time? > > Yes. See page 182 (chapter 12 verse 7.4). Thank you David. I had skimmed and missed the reference to POBar. Must read more carefully in future. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 26 14:25:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DFBVG-0002pP-52-0002q3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:25:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DFBVG-0002pP-52; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:39:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFBVG-0002pP-52; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:39:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFBVG-000586-BL; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:39:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DFBUy-0003y8-0q; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:38:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2QDcCe17261 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:38:12 GMT Received: from smtp-2.opaltelecom.net (smtp-2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.69]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2QDcCi17256 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:38:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [84.13.11.196] (helo=risccube.talktalk.net) by smtp-2.opaltelecom.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1DFBUR-0000Sv-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:38:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:38:32 GMT From: Gerald Cobbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Character Selector - Ovn Pro Windows Message-ID: <8132b5514d.Gerald@talktalk.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I'm a newish user of OvnPro Windows so please excuse me if this subject has come up in the past. When you press F11 in OP Windows the Character selector window appears. When you select a character it immediately disappears. This can be a bit of an irritation if you use it a fair bit. Is it possible to configure it so that the window remains on screen until you deselect it? Regards -- Gerald -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 26 14:35:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DFCJm-0006wf-82-0006xJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:35:52 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DFCJm-0006wf-82; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:31:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFCJm-0006wf-82; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:31:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFCJm-00009B-Ai; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:31:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DFCJh-0003SC-Tr; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:31:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2QEUab32147 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:30:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2QEUaN32139 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:30:36 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DFCJ9-0004JN-FZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:30:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:29:09 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Character Selector - Ovn Pro Windows References: <8132b5514d.Gerald@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <8132b5514d.Gerald@talktalk.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >When you press F11 in OP Windows the Character selector window appears. >When you select a character it immediately disappears. >Is it possible to configure it so that the window remains on screen >until you deselect it? As on RISC OS clicking on a character with the right button (Adjust?) will insert the character and leave the window open. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 26 17:16:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DFElQ-0000cU-59-0000cx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:16:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DFElQ-0000cU-59; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:07:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFElQ-0000cU-59; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:07:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFElQ-00064s-E2; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:07:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DFElE-0001f4-Q3; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:07:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2QH7Ve23118 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:07:31 GMT Received: from smtp-2.opaltelecom.net (smtp-2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.69]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2QH7VU23114 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:07:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [84.13.11.196] (helo=risccube.talktalk.net) by smtp-2.opaltelecom.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1DFEl0-0001FJ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:07:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:07:46 GMT From: Gerald Cobbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Character Selector - Ovn Pro Windows - Thanks Message-ID: <4f5ac8514d.Gerald@talktalk.net> References: <8132b5514d.Gerald@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > >When you press F11 in OP Windows the Character selector window appears. > >When you select a character it immediately disappears. > >Is it possible to configure it so that the window remains on screen > >until you deselect it? > > As on RISC OS clicking on a character with the right button (Adjust?) > will insert the character and leave the window open. Thanks David - didn't realise that. Regards -- Gerald -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 5 16:43:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DFtnV-0005wJ-3f-0005xO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:43:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DFtnV-0005wJ-3f; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:56:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFtnV-0005wJ-3f; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:56:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFtnU-00040M-Sx; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:56:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DFtn3-0008On-32; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:56:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2SCtmF11934 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:55:48 +0100 Received: from mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout15.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.15]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2SCtlY11930 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:55:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050328125543.CMJU12099.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:55:43 +0100 Received: from Iyonix ([82.9.212.1]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050328125543.WCXQ1279.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@Iyonix> for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:55:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:00:03 +0100 From: Alan Leighton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] automatic page numbers Message-ID: References: <4.2.0.58.20050304084616.00951330@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) T know that to number a page one uses ctrl and N together. But how do you get !Ovation to number pages at the bottom of the page automatically? Thank you Alan -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton Priory Lodge, 86B Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 5 16:43:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DFuB0-0000VQ-Rg-0000Vw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:43:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DFuB0-0000VQ-Rg; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:21:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFuB0-0000VQ-Rg; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:21:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFuB0-0007CZ-DY; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:21:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DFuAg-0007mC-VB; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:20:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2SDKcG17836 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:20:38 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id j2SDKcr17827 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:20:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.134.73]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.4) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:20:28 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:22:14 +0100 From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] automatic page numbers Message-ID: References: <4.2.0.58.20050304084616.00951330@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > T know that to number a page one uses ctrl and N together. > But how do you get !Ovation to number pages at the bottom > of the page automatically? > > Thank you > > Alan What I do is this: use Ctrl-N (or Insert > Page number) into a little frame on the master page. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 5 16:43:33 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DFuQE-0005Qv-Az-0005RQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:43:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DFuQE-0005Qv-Az; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:36:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFuQE-0005Qv-Az; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DFuQE-0001fC-76; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DFuQB-0007iF-9j; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:36:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j2SDafo25834 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:36:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j2SDaeG25831 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:36:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DFuQ4-0002uT-0R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:36:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:36:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: automatic page numbers Message-ID: <4d52bcb120mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20050304084616.00951330@pop.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.08) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , michael talibard wrote: > In message you wrote: > > how do you get !Ovation to number pages at the bottom of the page > > automatically? > What I do is this: use Ctrl-N (or Insert > Page number) into a > little frame on the master page. Or, either when creating the document or in Page>Page guidelinesŒ (when in 'Edit master pages' mode) set the footer (or header) to a suitably-sized margin. Then, when you go back to the master page, the footer (or header) area will be available in which you can place the page number (preceded in the footer by at least one blank line, probably) and left-, centre- or right-align it as appropriate. (If you create a double-sided document there will be two master pages for each chapter in which you can have separately left- and right-aligned page numbers if required, as well as different running headings etc. on left- and right-hand pages. Select View>Options>Guidelines (if you don't already) to see the outline of the master frame(s), including the header and footer, to make sure you don't put the page number in the main body of the frame by mistake! Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Apr 5 16:44:38 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DIPnS-0004ex-Jk-0004fx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:44:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DIPnS-0004ex-Jk; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:31:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DIPnS-0004ex-Jk; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:31:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DIPnR-00059u-Sr; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:31:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DIPnP-00024z-9X; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:31:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j34BUQo21802 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:30:26 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.net.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j34BUQa21789 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:30:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [195.82.127.159] (helo=Iyonix.pnyoung.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DIPmj-0007QD-Ke for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:30:25 +0100 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:30:23 +0100 From: Dr Peter Young To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] A wee SuprShft applet problem. Message-ID: <26fd4b564d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Being a bad and lazy typist I have this applet loaded by default; I have version 1.01, which seems from the website to be the current one. I'm not sure of this is one of David's ones; it says 'Author:Beebug.' There is a silly problem with this, which probably only effects typists of my standard. What happens it this: 1) Come to the end of a sentence or paragraph, so that the applet will make the next character a capital. 2) Go back to correct a typing error higher up the document. 3) The next first character in the correction duly becomes a capital. Now, I know it's only doing what it was told to do, but it's a bit of a nuisance. Is there any possibility of remedying this, or will I just have to try to improve my typing? TIA, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 6 13:58:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DJ0uN-0000SG-G4-0000Sd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:58:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DJ0uN-0000SG-G4; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 03:08:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DJ0uN-0000SG-G4; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 03:08:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DJ0uN-00019C-R1; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 03:08:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DJ0tq-0001kN-P1; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 04:08:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j36370X12262 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 04:07:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j36370K12242 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 04:07:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DJ0qD-0005gg-5B for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 03:04:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 04:05:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] A wee SuprShft applet problem. References: <26fd4b564d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <26fd4b564d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >have version 1.01, which seems from the website to be the current one. >I'm not sure of this is one of David's ones; it says 'Author:Beebug.' They're all mine now. Once the "Beebug" ones denoted those written by Beebug's staff. >3) The next first character in the correction duly becomes a capital. Hmm. it should spot that the caret position has changed. I'd guess that things can be improved. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Apr 6 13:58:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1DJ4xc-0004Gh-I5-0004HA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:58:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1DJ4xc-0004Gh-I5; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:28:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DJ4xc-0004Gh-I5; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:28:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1DJ4xc-0002Gd-E0; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:28:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DJ4wk-0007rW-78; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:27:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id j367R1v14625 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:27:01 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j367R1m14618 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:27:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [195.82.127.159] (helo=Iyonix.pnyoung.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DJ4vs-0000uM-OF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:26:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:19:12 +0100 From: Dr Peter Young To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] A wee SuprShft applet problem. Message-ID: References: <26fd4b564d.pnyoung@pnyoung.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.12 (MsgServe/3.00) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 6 Apr 2005 David Pilling wrote: >>have version 1.01, which seems from the website to be the current one. >>I'm not sure of this is one of David's ones; it says 'Author:Beebug.' > >They're all mine now. Once the "Beebug" ones denoted those written by >Beebug's staff. > >>3) The next first character in the correction duly becomes a capital. > >Hmm. it should spot that the caret position has changed. > >I'd guess that things can be improved.. > I'd be grateful if it could be; thanks. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net