From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 3 18:16:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPPg7-00027F-83-00027j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:16:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPPg7-00027F-83; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:16:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPPg7-00027F-83; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:16:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPPg7-0001Xw-B8; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:16:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPPfp-00020h-PX; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:15:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA3IFUP21309 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:15:30 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iA3IFT621300 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:15:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.131.98]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.0) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:15:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:15:56 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] scan-crash Message-ID: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I don't know whether to attribute this to my Epson 1660 scanner, or to Twain, or to the scan software that dare not speak its name, but:- the scanner has a feature (presumably to save power) where it puts itself into a sort-of stand-by mode after so many minutes of not being used. You have to wake it up by pressing a button on the front. Should you not realize it has gone to sleep (and there's no obvious sign), then you will regret it, because attempting to give it a scan to do will crash the whole machine (Iyonix). Any ideas? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 3 19:26:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPQf4-00024A-Hh-000252."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:26:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPQf4-00024A-Hh; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:19:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPQf4-00024A-Hh; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:19:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPQf4-0000dE-7K; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:19:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPQeW-0003Zy-8P; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:18:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA3JHtW00491 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:17:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA3JHsx00488 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:17:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CPQdl-000DGz-7N for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:17:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:16:42 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scan-crash References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I don't know whether to attribute this to my >Epson 1660 scanner, or to Twain, or to the >scan software that dare not speak its name, >but:- Possibly the TWAIN driver. >You have to wake it up by pressing a button on >the front Really? I have never actually seen a 1660, but this doesn't sound like how things are supposed to work. >do will crash the whole machine (Iyonix). What sort of crash? Yes these Epsons turn off their lamps, and as a result some scans have to have a significant warm up period. The driver should cope with that (and it does). However there has been a need to increase the time the driver will wait for. You can change this yourself. Below is a quote from this list from 2003. ========================================================= A few people have had problems scanning negatives/transparencies using my USB Epson scanner driver on the Iyonix. I guess the problem may also be present on the Castle podule. Anyway we seem to have a fix. Inside the scanner driver find the file !TWAIN.Sources.!EpsonGT.!Install load into an editor, you should see the text timeout10000 change the 1 to a 2, be careful to make no other changes. There are three lots of two lines, you only need change the two lines for your scanner. Older drivers may have less than three supported scanners. I suspect this may also cure a problem I have on my 1650 where the very first scan from cold can end in tears. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 3 22:26:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPTWt-0004mR-Kl-0004nF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:26:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPTWt-0004mR-Kl; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:23:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPTWt-0004mR-Kl; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:22:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPTWt-0005vU-7h; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:22:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPTWe-00039r-DJ; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:22:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA3MMPu03243 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:22:25 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iA3MMPq03239 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:22:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.131.98]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.0) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:22:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:22:55 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scan-crash Message-ID: References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks very much - In message you wrote: [snip] > What sort of crash? I have never learnt the names of the different sort of crashes. What occurs is that the mouse still moves the pointer around, but you can't use it to do anything: all windows are frozen. [snip] > Below is a quote from this list from 2003. etc etc > > you should see the text > > timeout10000 > > change the 1 to a 2, be careful to make no other changes. following this, I found mine were all set to timeout40000, so I changed them to 80000 and tried again. This did not cure the problem, I'm afraid. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 3 23:46:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPUl0-0001Bk-KD-0001CY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:46:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPUl0-0001Bk-KD; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:41:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPUl0-0001Bk-KD; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:41:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPUl0-0007kk-1N; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:41:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPUke-0006WM-LY; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:41:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA3Nf6017324 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:41:06 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA3Nf5U17321 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:41:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CPUkv-0004iW-4l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:41:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:39:54 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scan-crash References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have never learnt the names of the different sort >of crashes. What occurs is that the mouse still moves >the pointer around, but you can't use it to do anything: >all windows are frozen. Oh it 'hangs'. So you're sure it has hung it's not just warming up - about a minute at worst. >following this, I found mine were all set to timeout40000, >so I changed them to 80000 and tried again. This did not >cure the problem, I'm afraid. Not good news. Which version of the TWAIN driver have you? (Menu->Info) and what is the position as regards version of RISC OS 5? Did it do this before you upgrade to the latest version of RISC OS 5. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 13:25:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPcO0-00008K-Lu-00008y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:25:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPcO0-00008K-Lu; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:50:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPcO0-00008K-Lu; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:50:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPcO0-0005ze-Hb; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:50:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPcNm-0005df-0i; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:50:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA47nqh29361 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:49:52 GMT Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA47nqi29358 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:49:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.225.85]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:50:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:19:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash Message-ID: <4d0871cb65Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2004 07:50:19.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE61BF70:01C4C242] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com>, michael talibard wrote: > I don't know whether to attribute this to my Epson 1660 scanner, or to > Twain, or to the scan software that dare not speak its name, but:- The 1660 works on my Iyonix with Twain 2.10 and timeout=20000. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 13:26:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPeMA-0002q3-Cv-0002rZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:26:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPeMA-0002q3-Cv; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:56:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPeMA-0002q3-Cv; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:56:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPeM9-0002Pz-PO; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:56:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPeLn-0007lk-8H; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:56:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA49u0a23841 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:56:00 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA49txN23837 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:55:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=RiscPc) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CPeLV-000J2d-8P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:55:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:16:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scan-crash Message-ID: <4d087c794dcharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I have never learnt the names of the different sort > >of crashes. What occurs is that the mouse still moves > >the pointer around, but you can't use it to do anything: > >all windows are frozen. > Oh it 'hangs'. > So you're sure it has hung it's not just warming up - about a minute at > worst. > >following this, I found mine were all set to timeout40000, > >so I changed them to 80000 and tried again. This did not > >cure the problem, I'm afraid. > Not good news. Which version of the TWAIN driver have you? (Menu->Info) > and what is the position as regards version of RISC OS 5? Did it do this > before you upgrade to the latest version of RISC OS 5. I, too, have a 1660 with an Iyonix. I've never had any problems with it coming out of Sleeping Beauty mode. I just let the software cope. Incidentally, my copy of !Twain is in !Boot.Resources. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 13:26:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPfU1-0001wJ-8h-0001xo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:26:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPfU1-0001wJ-8h; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:08:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPfU1-0001wJ-8h; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:08:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPfTV-0007iU-Hk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:08:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPfTD-0007P3-IO; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:07:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4B7nG15305 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:07:49 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iA4B7mI15278 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:07:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.131.229]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.0) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:07:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:08:19 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scan-crash Message-ID: References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > So you're sure it has hung it's not just warming up - about a minute > at worst. Yes, it definitely 'hangs' - (thanks for explaining that word). > Which version of the TWAIN driver have you? (Menu->Info) Here, Info shows no version number, it just gives !TWAIN Application 2048 14:24:23 24 Apr 2003 But then that seems to be true of every other application: I can only find version numbers from the Icon bar, and Twain doesn't go there. Am I being dense? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 13:26:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPfft-0001sw-DQ-0001tn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:26:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPfft-0001sw-DQ; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:21:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPfft-0001sw-DQ; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:21:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPffs-0003L8-T2; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:21:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPffO-0002GN-7G; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:20:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4BKG319209 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:20:16 GMT Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4BKGp19203 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:20:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.202.88]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:20:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:19:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash Message-ID: <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2004 11:20:37.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F57F570:01C4C260] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , michael talibard wrote: [Snip] Twain version > Here, Info shows no version number, it just gives !TWAIN Application. You have to look at !Twain.Sources.!EpsonGT.!Info. Mine looks like this :- majorversion:2 minorversion:10 language:2 country:44 info:Epson GT scanners. supportedgroups:2 manufacturer:Epson productfamily:GT Scanner productname:Epson GT Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 13:26:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPgoX-0001vN-SM-0001wl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:26:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPgoX-0001vN-SM; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:34:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPgoX-0001vN-SM; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:34:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPgoX-0001qb-6B; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:34:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPgoJ-00067v-G8; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:33:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4CXcZ10221 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:33:38 GMT Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4CXbP10218 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:33:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix.iyonix.earley.fourcom.com (i-194-106-52-185.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.185]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA4CXbnF016764 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:33:37 GMT Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:33:21 GMT From: Peter Bell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash Message-ID: References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> X-Organization: FourSquare Computing Limited User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> Ian Hamilton wrote: > In article , michael talibard > wrote: > > [Snip] Twain version > > > Here, Info shows no version number, it just gives !TWAIN Application. > > You have to look at !Twain.Sources.!EpsonGT.!Info. No you don't! If you menu over the 'Scan' window (brought up by clicking the 'Scan' button in DPlngScan), you get the 'Info' option at the top of the menu. Mine says: Name Epson GT, Purpose TWAIN source, Author (C) David Pilling 1993, Version 2.10. If starting a scan whilst the scanner is sleeping, my Iyonix 'hangs' for about 35 seconds before the scanner starts to 'whirr'. -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 13:45:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPhnL-000019-Jr-000022."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:45:52 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPhnL-000019-Jr; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:36:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPhnL-000019-Jr; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:36:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPhnK-0000QY-CD; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:36:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPhmo-00040e-H1; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:36:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4Da7730244 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:36:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4Da6m30239 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:36:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CPhmV-000BFM-E4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:36:03 +0000 Message-ID: <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:34:23 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >If you menu over the 'Scan' window (brought up by clicking the 'Scan' >button in DPlngScan), you get the 'Info' option at the top of the menu. Yes that is right, not finding this is a trap many people fall into. Thanks to those who have just shared their 1660 experience. As I said the other interesting thing is which version of RISC OS 5? I don't have enough experience to know how much variation there can be in Iyonix USB hardware and configuration. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 14:25:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPiTH-0006YZ-B5-0006Zm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:25:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPiTH-0006YZ-B5; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:20:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPiTH-0006YZ-B5; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:20:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPiTH-00004E-1J; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:20:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPiT2-0005Kz-7x; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:20:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4EJfh13034 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:19:41 GMT Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4EJe113015 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:19:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix.iyonix.earley.fourcom.com (i-194-106-52-185.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.185]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA4EJdnF020493 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:19:39 GMT Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:19:07 GMT From: Peter Bell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash Message-ID: References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: FourSquare Computing Limited User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Thanks to those who have just shared their 1660 experience. > > As I said the other interesting thing is which version of RISC OS 5? > > I don't have enough experience to know how much variation there can be > in Iyonix USB hardware and configuration. Mine has been working fine on whatever versions of RO since I bought the 1660 on 10 May 2003. -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 14:35:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPibn-0005zP-CK-00061B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:35:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPibn-0005zP-CK; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:29:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPibn-0005zP-CK; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:29:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPibk-0005D7-J1; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:29:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPibI-00055G-QV; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:28:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4ESPE16880 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:28:25 GMT Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4ESOY16876 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:28:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.202.34]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:28:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:27:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash Message-ID: <4d0898feaeIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2004 14:28:51.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B085630:01C4C27A] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Peter Bell wrote: > In message <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling > wrote: > > Thanks to those who have just shared their 1660 experience. > Mine has been working fine on whatever versions of RO since I bought > the 1660 on 10 May 2003. Mine too, headers suggest most of us are on 5.07. I am aware of someone with a 1640 model that doesn't wake up though. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 14:45:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPiqp-0001CN-RN-0001Dc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:45:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPiqp-0001CN-RN; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:44:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPiqp-0001CN-RN; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:44:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPiqo-00075R-Sj; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:44:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPiqY-000517-6X; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:44:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4Ei4721505 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:44:04 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4Ei4F21500 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:44:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CPiqJ-000Cvq-Ej for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:44:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:42:49 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash Message-ID: <1c619a084d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 4 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >If you menu over the 'Scan' window (brought up by clicking the 'Scan' > >button in DPlngScan), you get the 'Info' option at the top of the > >menu. > > Yes that is right, not finding this is a trap many people fall into. > > Thanks to those who have just shared their 1660 experience. > > As I said the other interesting thing is which version of RISC OS 5? > > I don't have enough experience to know how much variation there can > be in Iyonix USB hardware and configuration. > I am wondering when the original enquirer will be told that the facilities with his scanner were supplied by Castle and that he should approach Castle with his problem. In my experience Castle are good at dealing with difficult problems, though the trouble with such is that it can take some time to diagnose the causes. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 14:55:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPivx-0007GG-J0-0007HZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:55:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPivx-0007GG-J0; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:49:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPivx-0007GG-J0; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:49:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPivx-0002ct-E6; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:49:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPivn-0000dy-Ui; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:49:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4EnYJ23912 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:49:34 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4EnY723907 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:49:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CPivd-0004vK-9U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:49:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:48:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 4th November 2004 References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've put the latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows on my web site. New in this version; TWAIN - see Scan on the Applets menu. Windows Meta File support (.wmf and .emf) - this is "meta files light". I've only used the built in Windows rendering. So meta files won't work with direct PostScript output, there's no image processing and some limitations on transformations. I suspect that the large amount of meta file format graphics available will make up for this. I've added "Find next" to the edit menu. This is a typical Windows feature, although trivial to implement I think it makes things a lot better. I'm tempted to add it to the RISC OS version. What tends to happen is that you search for something, find it, do some editing, and then want to search for the next occurrence. The standard RISC OS approach, is F4 (open find) then F2 (previous settings), then OK. Maybe that seems natural on RISC OS, but in the Windows context it is horrible. It can now all be replaced by F3. Lots of bug fixing and tinkering. For example it is now possible to export graphics via the clipboard. Auto-kerning now works correctly. The link; http://www.davidpilling.net/ovnproi.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 15:05:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPj2W-0005Mg-JL-0005Nb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:05:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPj2W-0005Mg-JL; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:56:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPj2W-0005Mg-JL; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:56:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPj2W-0002ff-MF; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:56:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPj2J-0005rB-AS; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:56:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4EuK627151 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:56:20 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4EuJ727145 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:56:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CPj2A-0000KM-L1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:56:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:55:18 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1c619a084d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1c619a084d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I am wondering when the original enquirer will be told that the >facilities with his scanner were supplied by Castle and that he should Yes getting Castle involved is a good idea. The problem is always where the problem lies. It could be in my driver, it could be in the Iyonix, it might even be a combination, or some oddity in the scanner. I'm always reluctant to blame someone else 8-) Interestingly there does seem to be some sort of a pattern developing. A few weeks ago someone approached me with similar problems with a 4870. That was the first time I'd heard of any trouble with Epsons and Iyonix. I suspect we're now heading for someone loaning a particularly difficult Epson to Castle for deeper investigation. If anyone else has Epson problems I'd like to know. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 15:25:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPjM8-00020x-EX-00022N."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:25:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPjM8-00020x-EX; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:16:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPjM8-00020x-EX; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:16:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPjM8-0007Jz-9J; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:16:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPjLs-00020P-FC; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:16:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4FGRj02620 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:16:27 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iA4FGRI02616 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:16:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.131.229]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.0) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:16:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:16:57 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash Message-ID: <62819d084d.michael@talibard.com> References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1c619a084d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks to all who've contributed; you have enabled me to find the Twain version number. Like the others, I have version 2.10 of Twain. I am using RiscOS 5.07, but as far as I recall, it's been like this with all versions of RiscOS 5. With me, once it hangs, I can wait as long as I like, but nothing will work without restarting the machine. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 18:46:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPmUZ-00052C-CS-00053E."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:46:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPmUZ-00052C-CS; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:37:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPmUZ-00052C-CS; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:37:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPmUZ-0007ZZ-LN; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:37:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPmTz-000295-Ec; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:37:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4IaMr31129 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:36:22 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4IaMX31126 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:36:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CPmT7-000AJ0-8B for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:36:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:34:44 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Artworks Files on Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, One problem of swopping documents between Windows and RISC OS, is the ancient curse "You'll never get Artworks files to appear on Windows". A workaround is to generate a proxy image for the Artworks graphics. You do this on RISC OS in the usual way. The latest version of OP for Windows will use proxies for printing if it can't render the main image. This amounts to replacing the Artworks graphic with a bit map version, so has the same problems - large amount of memory used, resolution dependence. But it is something you can do with the existing tools. It's also much akin to recent additions to Techwriter. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 18:56:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPmeF-00042U-A0-00043U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:56:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPmeF-00042U-A0; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:47:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPmeF-00042U-A0; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:47:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPmeE-0005Cv-J5; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:47:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPmdd-0003E4-KX; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:47:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4IkW300532 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:46:32 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4IkV200527 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:46:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CPmdM-000GI1-4v for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:46:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:45:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Easy way to change text file end of line markers on Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, One problem I keep finding is RISC OS text files (with traditional LF end of line marker) on Windows (where the standard is CR LF). How can I convert them easily? There is a command line tool "lfstrip" which will do this, it's part of the AppletSDK available from my web site (http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/appletsdk.zip) However it's tedious opening command line windows and using this. What I've just worked out, is that I can put a short cut to lfstrip.exe in my "SendTo" folder. (located somewhere like C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\SendTo) Then all I have to do is right click the file I want to convert, and pick lfstrip from the resulting menu. Only snag is that you can only convert one file at a time this way. However you can select a folder in which case all .txt files in it will be converted. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 22:06:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPpde-0006io-MC-0006ju."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:06:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPpde-0006io-MC; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:59:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPpde-0006io-MC; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:59:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPpde-0007DX-MW; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:59:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPpdE-00016C-Ne; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:59:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4LwJu02075 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:58:19 GMT Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4LwId02071 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:58:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-111-131.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.111.131]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7C6E0001F7 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:58:18 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:58:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash Message-ID: <4d08c23d59robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Peter Bell wrote: > In message <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> Ian Hamilton > wrote: > > In article , michael talibard > > wrote: > > > > [Snip] Twain version > > > > > Here, Info shows no version number, it just gives !TWAIN > > > Application. > > > > You have to look at !Twain.Sources.!EpsonGT.!Info. > No you don't! > If you menu over the 'Scan' window (brought up by clicking the 'Scan' > button in DPlngScan), you get the 'Info' option at the top of the menu. > Mine says: Name Epson GT, Purpose TWAIN source, Author (C) David > Pilling 1993, Version 2.10. > If starting a scan whilst the scanner is sleeping, my Iyonix 'hangs' > for about 35 seconds before the scanner starts to 'whirr'. My new Epson 1660 has just arrived. I have not tried it yet but in the installation leaflet it says it should not be connected via a hub. Could that be the reason why it works OK for some people but not others? (I hope not as I was planning to use it via the hub built into my monitor.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhemmings@argonet.co.uk (also on MSN) Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From tim@powys.org Thu Nov 4 22:06:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPpfb-0002Cb-Bv-0002Ce."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:06:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPpfb-0002Cb-Bv; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:01:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPpfb-0002Cb-Bv for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:01:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPpfb-0000Fn-HJ for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:01:27 +0000 Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CPpfa-000MHN-Fm for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:01:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:59:24 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Easy way to change text file end of line markers on Windows Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message from David Pilling of 4 Nov you wrote: > Hi, > > One problem I keep finding is RISC OS text files (with traditional LF > end of line marker) on Windows (where the standard is CR LF). > > How can I convert them easily? > > There is a command line tool "lfstrip" which will do this, it's part of > the AppletSDK available from my web site > (http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/appletsdk.zip) > > However it's tedious opening command line windows and using this. What > I've just worked out, is that I can put a short cut to lfstrip.exe in my > "SendTo" folder. > (located somewhere like C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\SendTo) > > Then all I have to do is right click the file I want to convert, and > pick lfstrip from the resulting menu. > > Only snag is that you can only convert one file at a time this way. > However you can select a folder in which case all .txt files in it will > be converted. There's a program called !StripIt which both adds and removes CRs. It is by Andrew Rawnsley of R-Comp. It handles folders of files very quickly and changes them all, just drag the folder to the icon-bar.. My version, 2.01, is 26 bit but runs fine under Aemulor. It came with HTMLEdit. Sounds exactly the job for the above purpose. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 4 22:56:20 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPqQM-0001sG-R0-0001sy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:56:20 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPqQM-0001sG-R0; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:49:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPqQM-0001sG-R0; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:49:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPqQL-0003um-TU; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:49:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPqQ2-0000gT-9s; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:49:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA4MnHa10196 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:49:17 GMT Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA4MnGC10193 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:49:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA4MnGnF006776 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:49:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:47:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash Message-ID: <4d08c6c016bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4d08c23d59robh@argonet.co.uk> References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <4d08c23d59robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d08c23d59robh@argonet.co.uk>, wrote: [Snip] > My new Epson 1660 has just arrived. I have not tried it yet > but in the installation leaflet it says it should not be > connected via a hub. Could that be the reason why it works OK > for some people but not others? Possibly because the scanner uses a bi-directional protocol? I have a hub which seems not to work with such devices (eg, my Epson printer) though it is perfectly OK with a mouse. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 5 13:25:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPz3r-0004a4-BE-0004ai."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:25:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPz3r-0004a4-BE; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:03:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPz3r-0004a4-BE; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:03:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPz3r-0002om-6V; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:03:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPz31-0007cD-Rp; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:02:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA5818121903 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:01:08 GMT Received: from mta10-svc.ntlworld.com (mta10-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.94]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA5817F21894 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:01:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from oemcomputer ([81.104.8.24]) by mta10-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041105075935.QRCL20770.mta10-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:59:35 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20041105075155.0094f4d0@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:00:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 4th November 2004 In-Reply-To: References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4212554==_.ALT" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --=====================_4212554==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >What tends to happen is that you search for something, find it, do some >editing, and then want to search for the next occurrence. The standard >RISC OS approach, is F4 (open find) then F2 (previous settings), then OK. >Maybe that seems natural on RISC OS, but in the Windows context it is >horrible. It can now all be replaced by F3. Hi, When trying out Find, I discovered that pressing F4 had no effect. Pressing F3 before F causes OvationPro to crash. Is it just me? Neill McNeill --=====================_4212554==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
What tends to happen is that you search for something, find it, do some editing, and then want to search for the next occurrence. The standard RISC OS approach, is F4 (open find) then F2 (previous settings), then OK. Maybe that seems natural on RISC OS, but in the Windows context it is horrible. It can now all be replaced by F3.


Hi,

   When trying out Find, I discovered that pressing F4 had no effect.  Pressing F3 before <CTRL> F causes OvationPro to crash.
   Is it just me?

Neill McNeill --=====================_4212554==_.ALT-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 5 13:25:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CPzMm-0005Hb-DU-0005IP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:25:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CPzMm-0005Hb-DU; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:22:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPzMm-0005Hb-DU; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:22:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CPzMl-00040y-T3; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:22:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPzMO-0000Ii-Ga; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:22:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA58LRR24368 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:21:27 GMT Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA58LRW24364 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:21:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.225.107]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:21:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:20:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: scan-crash Message-ID: <4d08fb39f5Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4d08c6c016bric@f2s.com> References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <4d08c23d59robh@argonet.co.uk> <4d08c6c016bric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2004 08:21:54.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[8227DC80:01C4C310] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d08c6c016bric@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll wrote: > In article <4d08c23d59robh@argonet.co.uk>, wrote: > [Snip] > > My new Epson 1660 has just arrived. I have not tried it yet but in > > the installation leaflet it says it should not be connected via a > > hub. > Possibly because the scanner uses a bi-directional protocol? I have a > hub which seems not to work with such devices (eg, my Epson printer) > though it is perfectly OK with a mouse. Both my 1660 scanner and an Epson printer are on a hub, I haven't seen any problems with either. It's certainly a good idea to eliminate hubs as a cause when USB problems occur. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 5 13:25:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQ0aI-000620-6U-00063L."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:25:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQ0aI-000620-6U; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:40:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQ0aI-000620-6U; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:40:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQ0aH-0004TO-NF; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:40:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQ0a0-0007V6-3K; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:40:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA59e8308270 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:40:08 GMT Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA59e7P08261 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:40:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iA59e5Lt000958 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:40:05 GMT In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Easy way to change text file end of line markers on Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:38:21 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Then all I have to do is right click the file I want to convert, and > pick lfstrip from the resulting menu. > > Only snag is that you can only convert one file at a time this way. > However you can select a folder in which case all .txt files in it will > be converted. > Why can't you select multiple files (using drag, shift or ctrl) and choose sendTo? Or is this a limitation of lfstrip? Maybe you could get the author to change it to accept a list of files ;-) Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 5 13:35:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQ4C3-0003CY-G0-0003Dq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:35:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQ4C3-0003CY-G0; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:31:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQ4C3-0003CY-G0; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:31:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQ4C3-00022O-K2; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:31:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQ4BY-000115-6a; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:31:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA5DUWc10479 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:30:32 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA5DUWa10475 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:30:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQ4Ah-000ATl-93 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:30:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:29:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 4th November 2004 References: <1b0e2a084d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0887c3bbIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <2NavvCBf$iiBFwoO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20041105075155.0094f4d0@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20041105075155.0094f4d0@pop.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id iA5DUWa10476 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >   When trying out Find, I discovered that pressing F4 had no effect.  Pressing >F3 before F causes OvationPro to crash. F4 is not supposed to work, that's a RISC OS key press, replaced by Ctrl F. Sorry to hear F3 causes a crash, I thought I'd allowed for there being no previous search. I'll have to look at that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 5 14:35:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQ55V-0002Rx-Bn-0002T3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:35:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQ55V-0002Rx-Bn; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:29:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQ55V-0002Rx-Bn; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:29:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQ55V-0000vI-Cl; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:29:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQ557-0003g1-6P; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:28:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA5ESZT27266 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:28:35 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA5ESZZ27261 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:28:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQ54s-0001Bw-Cc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:28:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:26:57 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Easy way to change text file end of line markers on Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Why can't you select multiple files (using drag, shift or ctrl) and >choose sendTo? Or is this a limitation of lfstrip? Maybe you could >get the author to change it to accept a list of files ;-) lfstrip limit - author lacking in foresight limited it to one file. I think Windows limits command line lengths so there will be another limit. Not really a big problem because you can just set it off on a folder and it will find all the .txt files for you. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 5 17:15:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQ7bQ-0006ob-L6-0006pP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:15:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQ7bQ-0006ob-L6; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:10:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQ7bQ-0006ob-L6; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:10:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQ7bQ-0004Hb-AV; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:10:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQ7b0-0005Ou-GU; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:09:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA5H9Xt09698 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:09:33 GMT Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA5H9Ws09693 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:09:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-165-57.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.57] helo=HOBBIT) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CQ7aa-000KSI-8O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:09:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:09:33 GMT From: roger darlington To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Epson 1640S still crashes Message-ID: <5aa62b094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Sorry I don't know how to link this in with the current exchanges on this subject, which I have missed. I have tried setting Twain 2.10 to timeout=20000, but if I scan, then leave alone until the Epson 1640S light goes out, then my settup also hangs, and will not recover even if left for infinite time. By hang I mean I can move the mouse, but it will not draw rectangles on the pinboard, nor do owt else. It does start the scan, but the green bar gets just 0.05 inch across then frezes. If I unplug the USB cable, the green bar completes the scan, but it is a blank scan, and the computer is still frozen until thawed (re-set). Iyonix, RO5.07, or is it 5.08? 512MB RAM, all mods and updates done. -- Cheers Roger Bury Walkers http://burywalkers.members.beeb.net/ Atomic Software http://rogerdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Summer Winers http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ Lasers? It's all done by mirrors! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 5 18:05:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQ8Q3-00061b-R6-000627."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:05:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQ8Q3-00061b-R6; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:02:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQ8Q3-00061b-R6; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:02:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQ8Q3-0004fA-5J; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:02:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQ8Pb-0008C8-KA; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:02:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA5I0XU20947 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:00:33 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA5I0Xq20943 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:00:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQ8Nz-000FeU-Fq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:00:32 +0000 Message-ID: <7VBsZ8Fz97iBFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:59:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Epson 1640S still crashes References: <5aa62b094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <5aa62b094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >It does start the scan, but the green bar gets just 0.05 inch across >then frezes. If I unplug the USB cable, the green bar completes the >scan, but it is a blank scan, and the computer is still frozen until >thawed (re-set). There's a variable CommandSet in the Epson driver config file, you might try changing that from 0 to 1. (!TWAIN.Sources.!EpsonGT.UK.Config). However, looking at the source code I'm inclining to the view that warm up is not being handled correctly. It seems like a lot of effort has gone into doing it right when the transparency unit is in use, but not for flat bed scanning. I've done another version, I'm going to have to send this to some of you for testing... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 6 02:55:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQGbk-0007SN-J4-0007TE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:55:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQGbk-0007SN-J4; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:47:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQGbk-0007SN-J4; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:47:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQGbk-00075E-Ld; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:47:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQGbD-0000OJ-Sg; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:46:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA62jfo15181 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:45:41 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA62jeR15178 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:45:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQGaC-000IiV-6w for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:45:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:44:17 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Epson 1640S still crashes References: <5aa62b094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <5aa62b094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Iyonix, RO5.07, or is it 5.08? 512MB RAM, all mods and updates done. The other interesting thing is if these particular scanners will work on Simtec USB. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 6 13:03:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQMjt-0004i3-MG-0004j7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:03:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQMjt-0004i3-MG; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:20:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQMjt-0004i3-MG; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:20:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQMjt-0005Pr-KZ; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:20:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQMje-0003Z9-Ch; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:19:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA69J6T04741 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:19:06 GMT Received: from mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.139]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA69J5C04733 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:19:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0055E13469A for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:12:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01981-01-48 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:12:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCF313469F for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:12:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:18:59 GMT From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Epson 1640S still crashes Message-ID: <466784094d.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <5aa62b094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >Iyonix, RO5.07, or is it 5.08? 512MB RAM, all mods and updates done. > > The other interesting thing is if these particular scanners will work on > Simtec USB. I have an Epson 1200S which works very well on a Kinetic. I found it more reliable on a Cumana scsi-1 card rather than scsi-2. I acquired a 1640S (actually as a freebee from Epson) but nothing I could do would induce it to work at all. So I gave it away and went back to the 1200. -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 6 13:03:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQNvx-0002ly-H9-0002mn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:03:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQNvx-0002ly-H9; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:36:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQNvx-0002ly-H9; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:36:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQNvx-0006aK-2H; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:36:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQNvj-0001c6-56; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:36:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6Aa8K15723 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:36:08 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6Aa7s15716 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:36:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20041106103519.FFTP13844.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@JeffWallis> for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:35:19 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c4c3ec$68c42640$bf070552@JeffWallis> From: "Jeff Wallis" To: "List PillingSoftware" Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:35:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have downloaded and upgraded the latest version but none of the announced new features seem to be implemented. F3 does nothing, can't import .wmf files and no sign of any applet called 'scan'. According to the 'About OP' window I have version 2.75 dated 5th Oct. Any suggestions? Another question - I have a registered version of OP - does its registered status survive updates or should I re-enter my registration number into the new version? Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 6 13:03:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQOsR-0001kQ-M5-0001l1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:03:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQOsR-0001kQ-M5; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:37:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQOsR-0001kQ-M5; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:37:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQOsR-0004Me-I6; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:37:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQOs6-0007eL-PX; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:36:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6BaPK24859 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:36:25 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6BaPA24853 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:36:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=53339 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQOro-0002sZ-LM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:36:24 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.69.179]:55234 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQOrn-0005jT-Hw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:36:23 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c4c3ec$7dc27290$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <000701c4c3ec$68c42640$bf070552@JeffWallis> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:36:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:35 AM , Jeff Wallis wrote: > I have downloaded and upgraded the latest version but none of the > announced new features seem to be implemented. F3 does nothing, can't > import .wmf files and no sign of any applet called 'scan'. According > to the 'About OP' window I have version 2.75 dated 5th Oct. Any > suggestions? This surely isn't the latest version. The version with the new features. The new one says: 2.75 (04-November-04). And DPScan 1.21 (22-October-2004). Maybe you had the old download in cache? Maybe you downloaded the new one to another place, whilst still having the old one. Which you used (of course by mistake) again ... > Another question - I have a registered version of OP - does its > registered status survive updates or should I re-enter my > registration number into the new version? It survives updates. Together with all *your* settings. An update finds your already installed OPW and only updates, what needs updating. Same is true for DPScan. Anyway, no problem of your kind here. And also not with the implemented new features as far as I use them by instruction. Also the proxy from Artworks -be it with memory hungry settings and big filesize- works nicely. Proxy can also be used the other way around. That is for a .bmp in OPW-->proxy-->accepted bitmap in OPRO. Same can be done with .wmf. Meaning .wmf in OPW and a bitmap (proxy) in OPRO - although something has to be done for the background of the image in the proxy, when the .wmf itself contains more than. David Pilling knows about that, so likely this will be resolved soon. Another step towards easily exchanging dtp docs (text, vector graphic, bitmap) between 2 platforms. I like that. Thanks, David, for your efforts. Tonnie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 6 13:23:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQQQh-0007Wa-GJ-0007XH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:23:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQQQh-0007Wa-GJ; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:16:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQQQh-0007Wa-GJ; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:16:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQQQg-0002sw-PH; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:16:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQQQO-00065l-PN; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:16:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6DG0o09985 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:16:00 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6DFxw09982 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:15:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQQQ8-000IRO-JK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:15:57 +0000 Message-ID: <+TdNY7BE5MjBFwAB@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:14:44 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Epson 1640S still crashes References: <5aa62b094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <5aa62b094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It does start the scan, but the green bar gets just 0.05 inch across >then frezes. If I unplug the USB cable, the green bar completes the >scan, but it is a blank scan, and the computer is still frozen until >thawed (re-set). I've got a new version which apparently solves Michael Talibard's problem. So if you have a problem with a USB Epson not starting from cold correctly let me know. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 6 14:03:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQR9U-0003Oe-Ru-0003Pi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:03:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQR9U-0003Oe-Ru; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:02:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQR9U-0003Oe-Ru; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:02:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQR9U-0001aS-Eo; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:02:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQR9J-0007xg-K1; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:02:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6E1t617161 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:01:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6E1sT17156 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:01:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQR8b-00095h-BM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:01:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:00:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Epson 1640S still crashes References: <5aa62b094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <+TdNY7BE5MjBFwAB@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+TdNY7BE5MjBFwAB@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've got a new version which apparently solves Michael Talibard's >problem. So if you have a problem with a USB Epson not starting from >cold correctly let me know. Based on what I've seen in the source code, I believe the problem is that the driver only implements warm up correctly if the transparency unit is connected. The attraction of this theory is that it explains why most people don't have problems. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 6 14:23:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQRLn-0005fy-Kj-0005gr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:23:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQRLn-0005fy-Kj; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:15:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQRLn-0005fy-Kj; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:15:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQRLn-0003vi-7E; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:15:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQRL9-0001jk-Ts; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:14:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6EEiU18996 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:14:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6EEh118992 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:14:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQRL0-000OAP-Fd for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:14:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:13:11 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Epson 1640S still crashes References: <5aa62b094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <466784094d.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <466784094d.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have an Epson 1200S which works very well on a Kinetic. >I found it more reliable on a Cumana scsi-1 card rather than scsi-2. >I acquired a 1640S (actually as a freebee from Epson) but nothing I >could do would induce it to work at all. So I gave it away and >went back to the 1200. At the end of the day the 1640 and 1200 on SCSI have been no problem. There were some troubles with the 1200 which took me most of a year to sort out - something like black and white scans not working, and warm up problems. SCSI can be a tricky thing to get working. Main problem with Cummana SCSI 2 is that 'block mode' often has to be turned off for the relevant SCSI id, or else everything just hangs. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 6 16:34:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQTNY-0001n8-Kt-0001nz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:34:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQTNY-0001n8-Kt; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:25:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQTNY-0001n8-Kt; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:25:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQTNX-000309-Vs; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:25:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQTMv-00053l-0X; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:24:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6GOYa06955 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:24:34 GMT Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6GOX606951 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:24:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([82.0.64.182]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041106162423.JXN25811.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:24:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Julia Cooke To: Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:25:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <001f01c4c3ec$7dc27290$6502a8c0@padua> References: <001f01c4c3ec$7dc27290$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <001f01c4c3ec$7dc27290$6502a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:35 AM , > Jeff Wallis wrote: > > I have downloaded and upgraded the latest version but none of the > > announced new features seem to be implemented. F3 does nothing, can't > > import .wmf files and no sign of any applet called 'scan'. According > > to the 'About OP' window I have version 2.75 dated 5th Oct. Any > > suggestions? Same here! > This surely isn't the latest version. The version with the new features. > The new one says: 2.75 (04-November-04). > And DPScan 1.21 (22-October-2004). Are both the most recent OP versions numbered 2.75?? > Maybe you had the old download in cache? Maybe you downloaded the new > one to another place, whilst still having the old one. Which you used > (of course by mistake) again ... I've deleted all old downloads, uninstalled OP and reinstalled from a fresh download (re-entering the reg. no.), but no change. I don't know where else there might be anything lurking - but then I'm no Windows expert. Julia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 6 16:54:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQTgS-0001oZ-Ag-0001pq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:54:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQTgS-0001oZ-Ag; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:45:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQTgS-0001oZ-Ag; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:45:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQTgR-0006Cd-Mr; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:45:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQTg9-0007B3-JC; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:44:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6GiY810241 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:44:34 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6GiY810238 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:44:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQTg1-000FkD-FA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:44:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:43:02 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November References: <001f01c4c3ec$7dc27290$6502a8c0@padua> <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Are both the most recent OP versions numbered 2.75?? Yes, this is the policy, the version number stays the same, but the date changes. The file you download ovnproi.exe should be 1.43 MB (1,507,840 bytes) long. Quite a bit longer than the previous version. That allows us to distinguish the two possibilities, downloading the wrong thing, or the installation taking place somewhere you don't expect it to have done. So how long is it? The are possible explanations for both things. But we do know that some people have got the right version off the web site, and I've checked what is on there, so the trivial explanation that the wrong thing is on the web site is ruled out. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQUV3-0006jc-FI-0006kV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:57:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQUV3-0006jc-FI; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:37:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQUV3-0006jc-FI; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:37:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQUV3-0005j2-Bl; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:37:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQUUh-0004RF-MV; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:36:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6HaeU23672 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:36:40 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6Hae323669 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:36:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20041106173659.FRS12530.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@JeffWallis> for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:36:59 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c4c427$28bf97b0$bf070552@JeffWallis> From: "Jeff Wallis" To: References: <001f01c4c3ec$7dc27290$6502a8c0@padua><4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:36:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November > >Are both the most recent OP versions numbered 2.75?? > > Yes, this is the policy, the version number stays the same, but the date > changes. > > The file you download ovnproi.exe should be > > 1.43 MB (1,507,840 bytes) > > long. Quite a bit longer than the previous version. > > That allows us to distinguish the two possibilities, downloading the wrong > thing, or the installation taking place somewhere you don't expect it to > have done. > > So how long is it? According to file 'Properties' Size: 1,474,048 Size on Disc: 1,474,560 Date 6th November 2004 I have tried removing my original version of OP and installing the latest version from scratch. I still end up with the old October edition. Files in OP folder now dated 6th November except OvnPro.exe which is dated 5th October. Incidentally I have exactly the same problem with the version I have on my laptop. Jeff Wallis > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQVHR-0007EE-4g-0007F1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:57:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQVHR-0007EE-4g; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:27:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQVHR-0007EE-4g; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:27:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQVHR-0006sP-7e; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:27:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQVH4-00031n-RP; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:26:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6IQhT32672 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:26:43 GMT Received: from mailhost.netweaver.net (mailhost.netweaver.net [213.160.118.140]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iA6IQhW32669 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:26:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 6182 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 17:33:31 -0000 Received: from cpc6-hem12-4-0-cust123.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.sandford.ntlworld.com) (john@thesandfords.me.uk@213.107.176.123) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 17:33:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:26:33 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: References: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> Julia Cooke wrote: [snip] > I don't know where else there might be anything lurking - but then I'm no > Windows expert. > > Julia Your problem and anyone else on ntlworld is that they (ntl) use a transparent proxy which will cache the op download so this could still have a copy of the older version and it is difficult to change, the cache will be refreshed in about 24 hrs and then you can download the new version, alternativley if david changes the file name slightly this will also work (this could apply to other isp's who use this method of caching. If any of you have a pc I believe loading the page and refreshing it may work also, but he or she would have to be on the same ntl proxy as others having problems. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group email info@hhrug.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQVuZ-0006Qn-DT-0006Rf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:57:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQVuZ-0006Qn-DT; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:07:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQVuZ-0006Qn-DT; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:07:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQVuY-0001gP-Re; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:07:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQVuC-0004Ap-6q; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:07:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6J75U06711 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:07:05 GMT Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6J75p06707 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:07:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-165-48.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.48] helo=HOBBIT) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CQVtw-000L01-8i for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:07:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:29:00 GMT From: roger darlington To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Epson 1640S still crashes Message-ID: <4e44b1094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <5aa62b094d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <7VBsZ8Fz97iBFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 6 Nov 2004, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > >I look forward to testimg it. > > Apparently this version sorted out the other persons problems. > > Its attached. I wonder do you have a trannie unit, and is it connected? > > > No, no tranny unit. This appears to solve the problem. However, the problem returns if I put in my old config file. So, perhaps it has something to do with the old config file. So, instead of putting my old config file in, I copied the 2 new defs I have made into it: Changing the Max 17 to Max 19 and adding two new lines at the end of the Setup's, thus: Setup OSmaps -2 -1 6 300 300 0 0 2480 3526 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 Setup CDcovers -2 -1 6 300 300 154 0 2255 3526 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -47600 0 0 2 0 This them makes those scans deep blue! (and the Previews black!) So I replaced all traces of my config file with the one you supplied, and added my own via the WIMP interface (as you are supposed to). Everything now works fine. -- Cheers Roger Bury Walkers http://burywalkers.members.beeb.net/ Atomic Software http://rogerdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Summer Winers http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ Oh no! I've only just managed to get it all in of kilter. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQX9G-0002te-SD-0002uT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:57:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQX9G-0002te-SD; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:26:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQX9G-0002te-SD; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:26:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQX9G-0005oM-HT; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:26:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQX8q-0003BC-6F; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:26:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6KQG218567 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:26:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6KQFX18564 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:26:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQX8y-0008Fk-3O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:26:40 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:23:59 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: <6e49c1094d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Subject: [softwarelist] New &A91 zip file types and SparkFS 1.41 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) (Sorry to bore anyone who has been following an exchange on c.s.a.networking.) A feature of the new ZIP = &A91 file type is that they are not visible across a network connection between Iyonix with Samba and a RPC will LanMan98. This is not my concern here (or is it?). My concern is a little feature of SparkFS v. 1.41. If you double clock on an archive with the file-type of DDC, it opens and the files in the archive are readable. But if you drag the same archive to the SparkFS icon on the icon-bar, it opens and the files are readable PLUS the file-type of the archive is changed to &A91. Is the latter supposed to happen? Is it a good thing? Currently it causes havoc as it makes such files immediately invisible to a RPC at the receiving end of a Samba to Lanman98 link from an Iyonix. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQXZ9-0007Tu-IR-0007V8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:57:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQXZ9-0007Tu-IR; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:53:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQXZ9-0007Tu-IR; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:53:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQXZ9-0000df-Gz; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:53:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQXYr-0002RU-R2; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:53:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6KrEn22521 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:53:14 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091B35E.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.179.94]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6KrEV22518 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:53:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.105] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CQXYe-0006ET-00 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:53:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:52:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New &A91 zip file types and SparkFS 1.41 Message-ID: <4d09c3f0d6sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <6e49c1094d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <6e49c1094d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > A feature of the new ZIP = &A91 file type is that they are not visible > across a network connection between Iyonix with Samba and a RPC will > LanMan98. This is not my concern here (or is it?). [snip] > Currently it causes havoc as it makes such files immediately invisible > to a RPC at the receiving end of a Samba to Lanman98 link from an > Iyonix. Then your Samba is set up incorrectly (or is buggy). SparkFS is behaving correctly now (as of version 1.41). If you run 1.41 on all your machines, then it should be consistent. Have a look whether your MimeMap file as well as Samba's FileTypes file knows about &A91 on all of your machines -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQYPn-0005l5-Ae-0005mK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:57:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQYPn-0005l5-Ae; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:48:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQYPn-0005l5-Ae; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:48:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQYPn-0007YG-2t; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:48:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQYPP-0001Eq-Ve; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:47:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6LlPf30449 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:47:25 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6LlP030446 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:47:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQYP6-00008X-Kw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:47:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:46:34 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: New &A91 zip file types and SparkFS 1.41 Message-ID: References: <6e49c1094d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4d09c3f0d6sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4d09c3f0d6sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 6 Nov, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > > A feature of the new ZIP = &A91 file type is that they are not visible > > across a network connection between Iyonix with Samba and a RPC will > > LanMan98. This is not my concern here (or is it?). > > [snip] > > > Currently it causes havoc as it makes such files immediately invisible > > to a RPC at the receiving end of a Samba to Lanman98 link from an > > Iyonix. > > Then your Samba is set up incorrectly (or is buggy). SparkFS is > behaving correctly now (as of version 1.41). If you run 1.41 on all > your machines, then it should be consistent. Agreed: it is consistent, I was querying the inconsistency with what it did with an archive between double-clicking and dragging a file to the icon-bar icon. > Have a look whether your MimeMap file as well as Samba's FileTypes file > knows about &A91 on all of your machines Here is where I get into problems. I am suspicious that what I have done with mimemap is wrong. The original line was: application/zip Archive ddc .zip .arc .spk .lha .arj .lzh I could not see how to alter that so added below (and probably incorrectly) this: application/zip Zip a91 .zip This has made no change. But I have now added (thanks) this line to Samba's FileTypes file: 0xa91 : zip I had not bothered with Samba as we have established that the Samba-Win98 combination correctly shows and transfers Zip files with the type number of &A91. I had concluded that the problem was with Lanman98, though this could yet be wrong. (And I long back added a similar line to LanMan98's FileTypes file.) And there is still no difference. I still cannot see the &A91 Zip files that are on my Iyonix disc through Samba on the Iyonix to LanMan98 on the RPC. I suspect my mimemap file (on both machines probably) is not right and would be grateful for any suggestions. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQYWz-00008l-F5-00009V."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:57:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQYWz-00008l-F5; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:55:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQYWz-00008l-F5; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:55:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQYWz-0002KM-G6; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:55:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQYWi-0000bc-3O; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:55:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6Lt8N31396 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:55:08 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091B35E.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.179.94]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6Lt7031393 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:55:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.105] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CQYWY-000103-00 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:55:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:55:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New &A91 zip file types and SparkFS 1.41 Message-ID: <4d09c9a099sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <6e49c1094d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4d09c3f0d6sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 6 Nov, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > Have a look whether your MimeMap file as well as Samba's FileTypes > > file knows about &A91 on all of your machines > Here is where I get into problems. I am suspicious that what I have > done with mimemap is wrong. The original line was: > application/zip Archive ddc .zip .arc .spk .lha .arj .lzh > I could not see how to alter that so added below (and probably > incorrectly) this: > application/zip Zip a91 .zip Adding this line is correct, however you have to remove the extension ".zip" from the "Archive ddc" line above, of course. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQZ7x-0004m8-Qy-0004mh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:57:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQZ7x-0004m8-Qy; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQZ7x-0004m8-Qy; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQZ7x-0007JJ-4E; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQZ7h-00014L-9v; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6MXJR05354 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:33:19 GMT Received: from mta10-svc.ntlworld.com (mta10-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.94]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6MXJ505345 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:33:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([82.0.64.182]) by mta10-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041106223148.GCVA20770.mta10-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:31:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Julia Cooke To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: <4d09cd22f8julia.c@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , wrote: [snip] > Your problem and anyone else on ntlworld is that they (ntl) use a > transparent proxy which will cache the op download so this could still > have a copy of the older version and it is difficult to change, the > cache will be refreshed in about 24 hrs and then you can download the > new version, alternativley if david changes the file name slightly this > will also work (this could apply to other isp's who use this method of > caching. If any of you have a pc I believe loading the page and > refreshing it may work also, but he or she would have to be on the same > ntl proxy as others having problems. Aha! That must have been the problem - for me, at least. I've just reverted to an old dial-up account which I keep for emergencies (different ISP) and downloaded the newer version successfully. Thanks for your help, Julia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:57:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQZ82-0000SM-91-0000TF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:57:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQZ82-0000SM-91; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQZ82-0000SM-91; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQZ82-0004uh-It; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQZ7g-0005NE-PE; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA6MXIM05342 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:33:18 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA6MXH105339 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:33:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQZ7S-000MQn-Gr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:32:08 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: New &A91 zip file types and SparkFS 1.41 Message-ID: References: <6e49c1094d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4d09c3f0d6sbellon@sbellon.de> <4d09c9a099sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4d09c9a099sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 6 Nov, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > In message of 6 Nov, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > > Have a look whether your MimeMap file as well as Samba's FileTypes > > > file knows about &A91 on all of your machines > > > Here is where I get into problems. I am suspicious that what I have > > done with mimemap is wrong. The original line was: > > > application/zip Archive ddc .zip .arc .spk .lha .arj .lzh > > > I could not see how to alter that so added below (and probably > > incorrectly) this: > > > application/zip Zip a91 .zip > > Adding this line is correct, however you have to remove the extension > ".zip" from the "Archive ddc" line above, of course. > Thanks, makes eminent sense! I've done that, rebooted but still I can't see the A91 files through Samba to LanMan98. (Mind you his is rather off topic for this group. I think I've done the various problems to death on the c.s.a.networking newsgroup.) -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQlXN-00040O-M0-000418."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:05 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQlXN-00040O-M0; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:48:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQlXN-00040O-M0; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:48:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQlXN-000419-KP; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:48:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQlWq-0003u8-PA; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:48:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA7BldR27092 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:47:39 GMT Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA7Bldi27089 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:47:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CQlWF-000KNy-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:47:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:46:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: <4d0a15bc42nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <000701c4c3ec$68c42640$bf070552@JeffWallis> References: <000701c4c3ec$68c42640$bf070552@JeffWallis> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Ive downloaded the latest version (twice) but it wont install telling me a log file is being generated. There was no previous OP installation on the computer. I cant find the log! Im running Win2000NT as Administrator. Any suggestions? -- besters.. Ned === -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQnzj-0001k3-Go-0001kk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQnzj-0001k3-Go; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:26:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQnzj-0001k3-Go; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:26:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQnzi-00048B-TP; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:26:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQnz1-0003uU-Gt; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:25:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA7EPFU20845 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:25:15 GMT Received: from mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (mta09-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.49]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA7EPEP20842 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:25:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20041107142633.YAZJ1100.mta09-svc.ntlworld.com@JeffWallis> for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:26:33 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c4c4d5$9461ebe0$bf070552@JeffWallis> From: "Jeff Wallis" To: References: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:25:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >> I don't know where else there might be anything lurking - but then I'm no >> Windows expert. >> >> Julia > > Your problem and anyone else on ntlworld is that they (ntl) use a > transparent proxy which will cache the op download so this could still > have a copy of the older version and it is difficult to change, the cache > will be refreshed in about 24 hrs and then you can download the new > version, alternativley if david changes the file name slightly this will > also work (this could apply to other isp's who use this method of caching. > If any of you have a pc I believe loading the page and refreshing it may > work also, but he or she would have to be on the same ntl proxy as others > having problems. > > -- > John Sandford West Herts UK > I've used my old Freeserve dial-up account to download the file again - all now works perfectly. (I'd forgotten just how slow dial-up is). Thanks very much for this. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQpsT-0000pu-3a-0000qO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQpsT-0000pu-3a; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:26:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQpsT-0000pu-3a; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:26:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQpsS-0003go-U2; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:26:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQpsA-0004sc-Ew; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:26:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA7GQF306325 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:26:15 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA7GQEJ06316 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:26:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQprq-000Cek-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:26:14 +0000 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:28:56 +0100 From: David Mills Message-ID: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] printing X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (19 May 2000) [TEST 3], ZapEmail 0.25 (30 Jun 2000) test-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm havibg problems printing multiple copies from Ovation Pro 2.74 via printers 1,67 on my Iyonix. I am using drivers for Stylus Colour 640 (gimp driver) and PostScript Level2(to a networked laser printer). No matter how many copies I ask for I only get 1 copy printed. This was never a problem with the BJC610 on the SARPC. I assume it is an OP problem. Can anyone enlighten me please? David Mills -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQqZO-0006aM-HA-0006b6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQqZO-0006aM-HA; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:11:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQqZO-0006aM-HA; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:11:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQqZO-0004Qj-4y; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:11:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQqZB-0006Wv-SF; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:11:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA7HAod20689 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:10:50 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA7HAnI20683 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:10:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([193.237.242.97] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQqYy-000GkX-7u for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:10:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:11:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: printing Message-ID: <4d0a337d62mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk>, David Mills wrote: > I'm havibg problems printing multiple copies from Ovation Pro 2.74 > via printers 1,67 on my Iyonix. I'm using Ovation Pro 2.75 (but haven't had any printing problems with previous versions) and Printers 1.67, to both PostScript and PCL printers, and printing multiple pages works fine here. > I am using drivers for Stylus Colour 640 (gimp driver) and > PostScript Level2(to a networked laser printer). > No matter how many copies I ask for I only get 1 copy printed. > I assume it is an OP problem. Can anyone enlighten me please? Try printing to file using the PostScript driver, then look at the file in a text editor. Near the end of the file should be the line "n Copies", where n is the number of copies you asked Ovation Pro to print. If that's there, it means Ovation Pro is printing correctly and the problem lies with the Postscript printer. Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQqjd-0006WV-B5-0006XD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQqjd-0006WV-B5; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:21:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQqjd-0006WV-B5; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:21:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQqjd-0001uE-8K; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:21:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQqjU-0003hT-1u; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:21:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA7HLYD22112 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:21:34 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091ADDC.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.173.220]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA7HLXB22109 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:21:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.105] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CQqjL-0002wY-00 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:21:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:21:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: printing Message-ID: <4d0a346ee6sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Mills wrote: > I am using drivers for Stylus Colour 640 (gimp driver) and PostScript > Level2(to a networked laser printer). Sorry to hijack this thread ... I have developed a printer driver that supports printers connected directly to a network or via a printserver and that speak either the JetDirect or the LPD protocol. If here are some people who'd like to beta test the driver, please write me an email. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQsNI-0004fQ-5L-0004gA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQsNI-0004fQ-5L; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:06:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQsNI-0004fQ-5L; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:06:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQsNI-0007Vx-Ew; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:06:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQsMR-00042d-2W; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:05:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA7J5jR05179 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:05:45 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA7J5iL05175 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:05:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=54905 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQsM9-00055V-8O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:05:41 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.69.179]:55002 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQsM8-0000sb-8Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:05:40 +0100 Message-ID: <001301c4c4f4$6bda4ef0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <000701c4c3ec$68c42640$bf070552@JeffWallis> <4d0a15bc42nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:05:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:46 PM , Ned Abell wrote: > Ive downloaded the latest version (twice) but it wont install > telling me a log file is being generated. There was no previous > OP installation on the computer. I cant find the log! > > Im running Win2000NT as Administrator. > > Any suggestions? I am too on Win2000. As Administrator. I downloaded and installed as an upgrade. This means that I also had Dictionaries and Filters downlaoded and installed. My OPW isn't on the default path, isn't in 'Program Files'. I uninstalled my of OPW. I renamed Documents/..../Application Data/DavidPilling -where my configuration is stored. I runned installer again. I installed on default path (Program Files) instead of where I had my original copy. Filters and Dictionary were found - for I hadn't uninstalled. Running OPW (as a fresh install) was no problem. Also a new folder DavidPilling was made in Doc &Sett. OPW opened as a fresh copy - nothing of my choices/configuration was present. I uninstalled this one again and removed the (for me temporary) DavidPilling folder. I made my original DavidPilling active again. I re-installed (this time again a fresh OPW -latest version) where I want it to be. It found my original settings. So, I am back to my starting point. Twice installing a fresh OPW in W2K. Running without a problem. As said above, I do wonder whether you also installed Dictionary and Filters before trying to run OPW ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQsQl-0005y9-DQ-0005z0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQsQl-0005y9-DQ; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:10:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQsQl-0005y9-DQ; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:10:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQsQk-00013L-U7; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:10:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQsQV-00078v-HV; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:10:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA7JA5705861 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:10:05 GMT Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA7JA4S05856 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:10:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-2161.llama.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.184.113] helo=webserver.etcnet) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQsQN-0006Cb-TI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:10:04 +0000 Received: from client.etcnet [10.0.128.75] by webserver.etcnet with smtp (ANTmail1.32); id sm1ac8e9e; Sun, 07 Nov 04 17:44 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:44:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Lawton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Epson 1640S still crashes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Well I could tell you if you ask nicely :) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sat 06 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >Iyonix, RO5.07, or is it 5.08? 512MB RAM, all mods and updates done. > > The other interesting thing is if these particular scanners will work on > Simtec USB. > Don't know about the 1640, but the 1660 does work quite happily with the Simtec card (Twain 2.09) Dave -- A sig will appear here when normal service is resumed :) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQz7W-0004h5-80-0004hX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQz7W-0004h5-80; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQz7W-0004h5-80; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQz7W-000561-8w; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQz7E-0004fG-Rj; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:18:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA82IYj02836 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:18:34 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA82IXk02830 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:18:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 212-229-248-122.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.248.122] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQz6y-0008VS-J8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:18:29 +0000 Message-ID: <007501c4c539$7c604c30$7af8e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <000701c4c3ec$68c42640$bf070552@JeffWallis> <4d0a15bc42nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:19:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Ive downloaded the latest version (twice) but it wont install > telling me a log file is being generated. There was no previous > OP installation on the computer. I cant find the log! Not much I can think of to say. Obviously it should not do this. There's no need to have installed Dictionaries or other stuff first, but it might be interesting to try doing so. I'd also be inclined to have a look at the location you've chosen to install at, and see what has arrived there. Oh there's always the damaged file download explanation, I quoted the correct length of ovnproi.exe 1.43 MB (1,507,840 bytes) the other day. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQz7e-0000H2-R7-0000HP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQz7e-0000H2-R7; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQz7e-0000H2-R7; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQz7d-00057k-Ug; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQz7H-00032g-PS; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:18:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA82IWd02823 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:18:32 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA82IWw02820 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:18:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 212-229-248-122.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.248.122] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQz6x-0008VS-I0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:18:28 +0000 Message-ID: <007401c4c539$7b91ffb0$7af8e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> <4d09cd22f8julia.c@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:18:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Your problem and anyone else on ntlworld is that they (ntl) use a > > transparent proxy which will cache the op download so this could still > > have a copy of the older version and it is difficult to change, the I think that version had been uploaded since the early hours of 4th. Nov. So the proxying must last longer than 24 hours. I'm reluctant to start changing the name each time, but if this is a long term problem, I'll have to do that. I'd imagine that such proxying will end in tears, you can't change the name of every web page when they're updated. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQz7m-0007Kz-KC-0007LX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQz7m-0007Kz-KC; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQz7m-0007Kz-KC; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQz7m-0002Ob-2z; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQz7I-00032K-9U; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:18:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA82IVU02816 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:18:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA82IVR02812 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:18:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 212-229-248-122.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.248.122] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQz6w-0008VS-HM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:18:26 +0000 Message-ID: <007301c4c539$7adabda0$7af8e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d0a337d62mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: printing Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:15:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > I'm havibg problems printing multiple copies from Ovation Pro 2.74 > > via printers 1,67 on my Iyonix. You may be able to fiddle things, for example if you turn on 'collate' you'll force OP to print each page N times rather than telling RISC OS it wants N copies of each page. However I don't see why this would go wrong. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CQz87-0003Vs-4p-0003Wc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CQz87-0003Vs-4p; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQz87-0003Vs-4p; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CQz87-0004iL-Ax; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQz7n-00014o-O1; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:19:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA82IUQ02810 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:18:30 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA82ITa02801 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:18:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 212-229-248-122.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.248.122] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CQz6v-0008VS-Gi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:18:25 +0000 Message-ID: <007201c4c539$7a24db20$7af8e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <6e49c1094d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New &A91 zip file types and SparkFS 1.41 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:08:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > My concern is a little feature of SparkFS v. 1.41. If you double clock > on an archive with the file-type of DDC, it opens and the files in the > archive are readable. But if you drag the same archive to the SparkFS > icon on the icon-bar, it opens and the files are readable PLUS the > file-type of the archive is changed to &A91. > > Is the latter supposed to happen? Is it a good thing? This sounds like reasonable behaviour. Traditionally if you drag something to SparkFS it may set the type. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CR4Tl-0006gK-67-0006hD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CR4Tl-0006gK-67; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:02:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CR4Tl-0006gK-67; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:02:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CR4Tl-0000j1-Lr; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:02:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CR4TN-0004T8-Cm; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:01:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA881Nr26160 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:01:23 GMT Received: from mailhost.netweaver.net (mailhost.netweaver.net [213.160.118.140]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iA881M126157 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:01:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 17155 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 07:08:27 -0000 Received: from cpc6-hem12-4-0-cust123.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.sandford.ntlworld.com) (john@thesandfords.me.uk@213.107.176.123) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 07:08:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:01:09 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: <32f3840a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> References: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> <4d09cd22f8julia.c@ntlworld.com> <007401c4c539$7b91ffb0$7af8e5d4@mypc> In-Reply-To: <007401c4c539$7b91ffb0$7af8e5d4@mypc> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <007401c4c539$7b91ffb0$7af8e5d4@mypc> "David Pilling" wrote: > > > > Your problem and anyone else on ntlworld is that they (ntl) use a > > > transparent proxy which will cache the op download so this could still > > > have a copy of the older version and it is difficult to change, the > > > I think that version had been uploaded since the early hours of 4th. Nov. So > the proxying must last longer than 24 hours. > > I'm reluctant to start changing the name each time, but if this is a long > term problem, I'll have to do that. > > I'd imagine that such proxying will end in tears, you can't change the name > of every web page when they're updated. I think its less of a problem for Windows users as IE/firefox can get the proxy to reload/update its cache, Risc OS browsers dont seem able to, I do it by changing the Proxy used as I have another local proxy ip address, but yes it does cause problems with my own web pages not changing here for days some time after uploading new versions unless I go out of my way to force it. > > David Pilling John -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group email info@hhrug.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CR6Id-0007lE-A8-0007mb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CR6Id-0007lE-A8; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:59:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CR6Id-0007lE-A8; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:58:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CR6Ic-0001Ak-Nq; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:58:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CR67K-0001MO-6y; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:47:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA89kpJ15393 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:46:51 GMT Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA89koY15390 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:46:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CR66s-000A6i-0L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:46:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:44:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: <4d0a8e69c3nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <007501c4c539$7c604c30$7af8e5d4@mypc> References: <000701c4c3ec$68c42640$bf070552@JeffWallis> <4d0a15bc42nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <007501c4c539$7c604c30$7af8e5d4@mypc> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > Ive downloaded the latest version (twice) but it wont > > install telling me a log file is being generated. There was > > no previous OP installation on the computer. I cant find the > > log! > Not much I can think of to say. Obviously it should not do > this. There's no need to have installed Dictionaries or other > stuff first, but it might be interesting to try doing so. > I'd also be inclined to have a look at the location you've > chosen to install at, and see what has arrived there. > Oh there's always the damaged file download explanation, I > quoted the correct length of ovnproi.exe 1.43 MB > (1,507,840 bytes) the other day. OK, Ive uninstalled OPW etc from the Contol Panel as Administrator. Ive downloaded filters and dictionaries and installed them to default paths. Ive then redownloaded and reinstalled OPW and it generates the same error. The downloaded filesize is correct. All files are in C:\Program Files\DavidPilling which contains Dictionaries, Filters, Thesaurus and OvationPro directories. Comparing the old out of date installation on my Win2000 laptop which worked with the one on the new XCube the files seem the same number and apart from drive letters the install log looks very similar. -- besters.. Ned === -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CR6QN-0006jK-BG-0006l0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CR6QN-0006jK-BG; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:07:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CR6QN-0006jK-BG; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:06:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CR6QN-0006Cf-8y; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:06:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CR6Q9-00051q-K2; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:06:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA8A6d121267 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:06:39 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA8A6cS21262 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:06:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CR6Q1-0005Qm-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:06:37 +0100 Received: from [62.180.24.153] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CR6Q1-0005jq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:06:37 +0100 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:37:46 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] printing Message-ID: References: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> David Mills wrote: > I'm havibg problems printing multiple copies from Ovation Pro 2.74 via > printers 1,67 on my Iyonix. > > I am using drivers for Stylus Colour 640 (gimp driver) and PostScript > Level2(to a networked laser printer). > > No matter how many copies I ask for I only get 1 copy printed. Which version of GPDriver are you using? Very early versions were only able to print 1 copy no matter how many the application requested. That was fixed in version 1.13, current version is 1.15. You can find the GPDriver version number by clicking Menu over the Gimp-Print window while it is printing and going to the "Info" entry. Alternatively, have a look at the file !Help inside !GPDriver. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:58:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CR6Xo-0005GK-Sn-0005Hm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:58:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CR6Xo-0005GK-Sn; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:14:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CR6Xo-0005GK-Sn; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:14:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CR6Xo-0003Pw-Q0; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:14:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CR6I4-0006vq-48; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:58:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA89w0n18191 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:58:00 GMT Received: from mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (mta09-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.49]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA89w0V18177 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:58:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([81.100.203.215]) by mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041108095919.FWBM1100.mta09-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:59:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:57:31 GMT From: JayCee To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Printing picture frames Message-ID: <7d9a8f0a4d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id iA89w0V18179 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I appear to have a problem with printing of 8bpp greyscale jpegs. They will print fine in a normal frame but if you rotate the frame at all the whole page refuses to print, something is going to the printer as its light is flashing, but no matter how long you wait nothing actually gets printed. There is no problem printing 24bpp jpegs either 'straight' or in rotated frames. OK I got round the problem by scanning the b/w photo in 24bpp colour mode but surely this shouldn't happen. Iyonix RISCOS 5.08 OvPro 2.75 DPlngScan 1.21 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:59:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CR8Ul-0004jI-SM-0004jq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:59:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CR8Ul-0004jI-SM; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:19:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CR8Ul-0004jI-SM; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:19:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CR8Ul-0005h1-IL; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:19:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CR8UI-0003L0-UM; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:19:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA8CIjb30412 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:18:45 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA8CIi930402 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:18:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=39182 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CR8Ts-0000ZE-Ag for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:18:44 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.69.179]:55255 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CR8Tr-0007l3-FA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c4c584$bd071750$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <000701c4c3ec$68c42640$bf070552@JeffWallis> <4d0a15bc42nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <007501c4c539$7c604c30$7af8e5d4@mypc> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:17:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Monday, November 08, 2004 3:19 AM , David Pilling wrote: >> Ive downloaded the latest version (twice) but it wont install >> telling me a log file is being generated. There was no previous >> OP installation on the computer. I cant find the log! > > Not much I can think of to say. Obviously it should not do this. > There's no need to have installed Dictionaries or other stuff first, > but it might be interesting to try doing so. I got an error about not finding Hyphenation stuff, when I (re-)installed OPW without Dictionaries and/or Filters. Maybe totally unrelated, maybe not. However, I didn't get that error anymore, when all was installed ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:59:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRBHS-0001WD-Pw-0001XH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:59:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRBHS-0001WD-Pw; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:18:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRBHS-0001WD-Pw; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:18:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRBHR-0007Li-GC; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:18:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRBFg-0002cl-MJ; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:16:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA8FFoD20506 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:15:50 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (B.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA8FFnd20496 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:15:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CRBF4-0000Rk-FM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:15:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:13:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing picture frames Message-ID: <4d0aac8c4fgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7d9a8f0a4d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <7d9a8f0a4d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id iA8FFod20503 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <7d9a8f0a4d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk>, JayCee wrote: > I appear to have a problem with printing of 8bpp greyscale jpegs. > They will print fine in a normal frame but if you rotate the frame at > all the whole page refuses to print, something is going to the printer > as its light is flashing, but no matter how long you wait nothing > actually gets printed. > There is no problem printing 24bpp jpegs either 'straight' or in rotated > frames. Let me guess, this is a PostScript printer, and you are using the Level 2 driver. If so, then when you print non rotated JPEGs they are sent to the print output as a JPEG. But once they are rotated, OPro will send them as sprites. The sprites less than 24bpp are being chopped up into lots of small bitmap images when sent to the printer. For something like a photo that could have many thousands of areas at different grey levels this could result in many thousands of small bitmaps being sent. So it is quite possible that the printer is running out of memory when dealing with these images, or that the amount of them has caused a problem for its PostScript interpreter. You say 'no matter how long you wait nothing actually gets printed', exactly how long have you waited? Have you waited until the printers light stops flashing, which would be a sign that it has given up. > OK I got round the problem by scanning the b/w photo in 24bpp colour > mode but surely this shouldn't happen. Convert the 8bpp JPEGs into 24bpp using DPlngScan - Menu then choose Colour -> Change format -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:59:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRDFf-0004VF-3I-0004W9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:59:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRDFf-0004VF-3I; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:24:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRDFf-0004VF-3I; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:24:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRDFe-0003WX-Qn; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:24:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRDBC-000554-7r; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:19:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA8FUC129329 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:30:12 GMT Received: from mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (mta09-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.49]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA8FUBg29318 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:30:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([81.100.203.215]) by mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041108153130.DLKL1100.mta09-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:31:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:27:10 GMT From: JayCee To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing picture frames Message-ID: <93c8ad0a4d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <7d9a8f0a4d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <4d0aac8c4fgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d0aac8c4fgav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d0aac8c4fgav@crawford-print.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <7d9a8f0a4d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk>, > JayCee wrote: > > I appear to have a problem with printing of 8bpp greyscale jpegs. > > > They will print fine in a normal frame but if you rotate the frame at > > all the whole page refuses to print, something is going to the printer > > as its light is flashing, but no matter how long you wait nothing > > actually gets printed. > > > There is no problem printing 24bpp jpegs either 'straight' or in rotated > > frames. > > Let me guess, this is a PostScript printer, and you are using the > Level 2 driver. > > If so, then when you print non rotated JPEGs they are sent to the print > output as a JPEG. But once they are rotated, OPro will send them as > sprites. The sprites less than 24bpp are being chopped up into lots of > small bitmap images when sent to the printer. For something like a photo > that could have many thousands of areas at different grey levels this > could result in many thousands of small bitmaps being sent. So it is > quite possible that the printer is running out of memory when dealing > with these images, or that the amount of them has caused a problem for > its PostScript interpreter. > > You say 'no matter how long you wait nothing actually gets printed', > exactly how long have you waited? Have you waited until the printers > light stops flashing, which would be a sign that it has given up. > > > OK I got round the problem by scanning the b/w photo in 24bpp colour > > mode but surely this shouldn't happen. > > Convert the 8bpp JPEGs into 24bpp using DPlngScan - Menu then choose > Colour -> Change format > Good guess - yes I am using postscript. Thanks for the explanation, I waited quite a time, over ten minutes in one case but the printer light didn't stop flashing. I shall just scan all my pics in 24bpp from now on - that will solve it!! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:59:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRDYi-0007Jg-Ae-0007Ki."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:59:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRDYi-0007Jg-Ae; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:44:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRDYi-0007Jg-Ae; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:44:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRDYi-0003i1-2N; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:44:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRDYC-00088l-05; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:43:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA8HhLW20508 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:43:21 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA8HhL920505 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:43:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CRDXw-0006JU-G8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:43:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:45:03 +0100 From: David Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] printing Message-ID: <0beab40a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (19 May 2000) [TEST 3], ZapEmail 0.25 (30 Jun 2000) test-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > In message <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> > David Mills wrote: > > > I'm havibg problems printing multiple copies from Ovation Pro 2.74 via > > printers 1,67 on my Iyonix. > > > > I am using drivers for Stylus Colour 640 (gimp driver) and PostScript > > Level2(to a networked laser printer). > > > > No matter how many copies I ask for I only get 1 copy printed. > > Which version of GPDriver are you using? version 1.11 > > Very early versions were only able to print 1 copy no matter how many the > application requested. That was fixed in version 1.13, current version is > 1.15. Please remind me where from? and I'll try to remember my code > > You can find the GPDriver version number by clicking Menu over the > Gimp-Print window while it is printing and going to the "Info" entry. > Alternatively, have a look at the file !Help inside !GPDriver. > > Martin he point is that i'm not using a gimp driver for the Postscript printer and it behaves the same.... David's work round works! david -- They say it's not as bad as they say it is! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:59:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRDhw-0007Fw-ID-0007GW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:59:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRDhw-0007Fw-ID; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:53:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRDhw-0007Fw-ID; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:53:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRDhw-0000Ix-DC; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:53:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRDh8-0002pk-Tw; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:52:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA8Hqbj23255 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:52:37 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA8Hqba23251 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:52:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CRDgy-0003RS-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:52:36 +0100 Received: from [62.180.24.112] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CRDgy-0005aW-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:52:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:50:59 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] printing Message-ID: <6af3ba0a4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <0beab40a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0beab40a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <0beab40a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> David Mills wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > In message <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> > > David Mills wrote: > > > > > I'm havibg problems printing multiple copies from Ovation Pro 2.74 via > > > printers 1,67 on my Iyonix. > > > > > > I am using drivers for Stylus Colour 640 (gimp driver) and PostScript > > > Level2(to a networked laser printer). > > > > > > No matter how many copies I ask for I only get 1 copy printed. > > > > Which version of GPDriver are you using? > > version 1.11 ... which only supports printing one copy, so this is no surprise. > > Very early versions were only able to print 1 copy no matter how many > > the application requested. That was fixed in version 1.13, current > > version is 1.15. > > Please remind me where from? and I'll try to remember my code Access details sent privately. > he point is that i'm not using a gimp driver for the Postscript > printer and it behaves the same.... > > David's work round works! Yes, but it slows down printing significantly. If you ask for multiple copies using PostScript, the printer can print them at its maximum speed, which is often many times faster than sending multiple copies of the page to the printer, which is what David's workaround does. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:59:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRE7A-000265-4H-000276."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:59:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRE7A-000265-4H; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:19:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRE7A-000265-4H; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:19:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRE7A-0003l9-56; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:19:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRE3M-00075f-Vm; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:15:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA8IFYB29774 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:15:34 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA8IFXg29771 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:15:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=RiscPc) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CRE3B-000Erd-De for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:15:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:12:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] printing Message-ID: <4d0abcf3c6charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6af3ba0a4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <0beab40a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <6af3ba0a4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6af3ba0a4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > > Which version of GPDriver are you using? > > > > version 1.11 > ... which only supports printing one copy, so this is no surprise. I noticed the same problem on Saturday - but I have been using 1.14, so the problem shouldn't have been there. I've just downloaded 1.15 - and I'll see what happens. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:59:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRFMV-0003pV-8w-0003qF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:59:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRFMV-0003pV-8w; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:39:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRFMV-0003pV-8w; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:39:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRFMV-0002Be-Jb; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:39:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRFLn-0003Q9-HU; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:38:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA8JcY313312 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:38:34 GMT Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA8JcY213309 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:38:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-181-204.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.181.204]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270C6E00037B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:38:33 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:34:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: <4d0ac467c3steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <32f3840a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> References: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> <4d09cd22f8julia.c@ntlworld.com> <007401c4c539$7b91ffb0$7af8e5d4@mypc> <32f3840a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Nov, wrote: > I think its less of a problem for Windows users as IE/firefox can get > the proxy to reload/update its cache, Risc OS browsers dont seem able > to, I do it by changing the Proxy used as I have another local proxy ip > address, but yes it does cause problems with my own web pages not > changing here for days some time after uploading new versions unless I > go out of my way to force it. Without wishing to start an argument about the relative merits of Windows and RO, you should note that IE tends to hold pages in it's own *local* cache and as a result can show a 404 for a page that is immediately fetched if you force it to delete all "temporary internet files" If it can't even force its way through its own local cache I can't see how it would magically do so *and* force an ISP's cache to update. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:59:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRFwq-0003OT-48-0003PM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:59:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRFwq-0003OT-48; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:17:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRFwq-0003OT-48; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:17:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRFwq-0001EL-3C; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:17:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRFvq-00048t-0H; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:16:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA8KFcW19738 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:15:38 GMT Received: from mailhost.netweaver.net (mailhost.netweaver.net [213.160.118.140]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iA8KFcb19735 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:15:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 3693 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 19:22:47 -0000 Received: from cpc6-hem12-4-0-cust123.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.sandford.ntlworld.com) (john@thesandfords.me.uk@213.107.176.123) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 19:22:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:15:39 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: <2f32c80a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> References: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> <4d09cd22f8julia.c@ntlworld.com> <32f3840a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> <4d0ac467c3steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4d0ac467c3steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d0ac467c3steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Steven Pampling wrote: [snip] > > Without wishing to start an argument about the relative merits of Windows > and RO, you should note that IE tends to hold pages in it's own *local* > cache and as a result can show a 404 for a page that is immediately fetched > if you force it to delete all "temporary internet files" > > If it can't even force its way through its own local cache I can't see how > it would magically do so *and* force an ISP's cache to update. > > -- > Steve Pampling > > -- Nor do I Steve but if I boot up the PC and load my web page and get the old page then refresh/reload it, I usually then see the new uploaded page where as on RO I still got the older version, both are using the same cable modem/account/proxy, Once the new page appears on windows browser it will then load ok on RO. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group email info@hhrug.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 16:59:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRGm7-00026t-HK-00027X."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:08:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: <4d0acd1bdcphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2f32c80a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> References: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> <4d09cd22f8julia.c@ntlworld.com> <32f3840a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> <4d0ac467c3steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <2f32c80a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.01g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > > > Without wishing to start an argument about the relative merits of > > > > > > Windows and RO, you should note that IE tends to hold pages in > > it's own *local* cache and as a result can show a 404 for a page that > > is immediately fetched if you force it to delete all "temporary > > internet files" > > > > If it can't even force its way through its own local cache I can't > > see how it would magically do so *and* force an ISP's cache to update. > > > > -- Steve Pampling > > > > -- > Nor do I Steve but if I boot up the PC and load my web page and get the > old page then refresh/reload it, I usually then see the new uploaded > page where as on RO I still got the older version, both are using the > same cable modem/account/proxy, Once the new page appears on windows > browser it will then load ok on RO. In Fresco, if you refresh then page back and then page forwards you get the updated web page. Clumsy I know, but it works. Phil Coates -- .. This email has been sent from a RiscPC which does not run Windows, but it will more than likely read your files. philco@heter.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 17:00:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRLUu-0006Rg-5k-0006SA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:00:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRLUu-0006Rg-5k; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 02:12:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRLUu-0006Rg-5k; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 02:12:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRLUu-0006xR-Ic; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 02:12:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRLRI-0007oW-Ql; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 02:08:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA91Hhr16347 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:17:43 GMT Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA91HhV16342 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:17:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.159.101.224] (helo=barryrpc) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CRKdi-0006sm-SB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:17:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:17:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: <4d0ae3d73abarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d0acd1bdcphilco@heter.co.uk> References: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> <4d09cd22f8julia.c@ntlworld.com> <32f3840a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> <4d0ac467c3steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <2f32c80a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> <4d0acd1bdcphilco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d0acd1bdcphilco@heter.co.uk>, Phil wrote: > > > > > > Without wishing to start an argument about the relative merits of > > > > > > > > > > Windows and RO, you should note that IE tends to hold pages in > > > it's own *local* cache and as a result can show a 404 for a page > > > that is immediately fetched if you force it to delete all > > > "temporary internet files" > > > > > > If it can't even force its way through its own local cache I > > > can't see how it would magically do so *and* force an ISP's cache > > > to update. > > > > > > -- Steve Pampling > > > > > > -- > > Nor do I Steve but if I boot up the PC and load my web page and get > > the old page then refresh/reload it, I usually then see the new > > uploaded page where as on RO I still got the older version, both > > are using the same cable modem/account/proxy, Once the new page > > appears on windows browser it will then load ok on RO. > In Fresco, if you refresh then page back and then page forwards you > get the updated web page. Clumsy I know, but it works. I think if you press F5 in Oregano 2 that also refreshes the page. Well it seems to for me. Maybe Oregano 1 does also? -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 18:07:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRaHd-0001ea-6q-0001fz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:07:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRaHd-0001ea-6q; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:59:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRaHd-0001ea-6q; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:59:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRaHc-0000zR-Ph; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:59:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRaHE-00031F-4T; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:59:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA9HwvH16426 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:58:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA9Hwvx16409 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:58:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CRaGX-000Miy-Iw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:58:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:57:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November References: <000701c4c3ec$68c42640$bf070552@JeffWallis> <4d0a15bc42nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <007501c4c539$7c604c30$7af8e5d4@mypc> <4d0a8e69c3nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d0a8e69c3nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >All files are in C:\Program Files\DavidPilling which contains >Dictionaries, Filters, Thesaurus and OvationPro directories. So to clear this up, is the installer crashing (which is what you said originally) or is the program itself crashing when you attempt to start it? You mentioned being able to uninstall the program, that implies that most of the installation process is completing and if I could find OP on the start menu or the main ovnpro.exe file (in the folder chosen for installation) I'd try running it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 18:17:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRaPC-00060n-KO-00061X."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:17:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRaPC-00060n-KO; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:07:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRaPC-00060n-KO; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:07:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRaPC-00064i-3f; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:07:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRaOk-0000UQ-NM; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:07:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA9I73U19034 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:07:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA9I73w19030 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:07:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CRaOT-000AY2-9W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:07:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:05:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November References: <4d09b0f80bjulia.c@ntlworld.com> <4d09cd22f8julia.c@ntlworld.com> <32f3840a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> <4d0ac467c3steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <2f32c80a4d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> <4d0acd1bdcphilco@heter.co.uk> <4d0ae3d73abarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d0ae3d73abarry@e-allen.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I think if you press F5 in Oregano 2 that also refreshes the page. Well >it seems to for me. Maybe Oregano 1 does also? For my money IE does not cache enough. It always seems keen to check that the original web page still exists before it will let you see it again. A typical example that irritates me, is I have a web page on view, I want to save it to disc, and I can be left waiting for ages whilst another copy is retrieved. Despite this behaviour there is a lot of space filled with cached images and web pages on my hard disc. I presume that web page designers can say if their page are to be cached, or made available 'off line'. Now if I knew how to do that for a .exe... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 18:37:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRaqM-0001hR-AM-0001iZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:37:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRaqM-0001hR-AM; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:35:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRaqM-0001hR-AM; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:35:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRaqM-00054V-0Q; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:35:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRape-0007iQ-Kl; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:35:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA9IYkA24626 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:34:46 GMT Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iA9IYjm24622 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:34:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from unknown (HELO Vigor10) (brian?howlett@81.156.130.183 with plain) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 18:34:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:27:06 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: References: <4d0a15bc42nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <4d0a8e69c3nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 9 Nov, David Pilling wrote: >> All files are in C:\Program Files\DavidPilling which contains >> Dictionaries, Filters, Thesaurus and OvationPro directories. > > So to clear this up, is the installer crashing (which is what you said > originally) or is the program itself crashing when you attempt to > start it? > > You mentioned being able to uninstall the program, that implies that > most of the installation process is completing and if I could find OP > on the start menu or the main ovnpro.exe file (in the folder chosen > for installation) I'd try running it. > For me, the program appears to install, but fails to run. Windows creates a huge debug file and suggests forwarding a report to Microsoft, which I did the first time it failed. I don't know if they have a procedure in place to forward these reports to software authors. It's much too big to post here, but if you like I could email the information privately. -- Brian Howlett --------------------------------------------------- This place would be a paradise tomorrow, if every department had a supervisor with a sub-machine gun. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 9 18:47:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRay2-0004Pk-8o-0004Ql."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:47:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRay2-0004Pk-8o; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:43:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRay2-0004Pk-8o; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:43:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRay1-0007JI-IW; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:43:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRaxG-0005xm-9e; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:42:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iA9Igrv26129 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:42:53 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iA9IgqM26125 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:42:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CRax8-000GkW-7y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:42:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:41:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November References: <4d0a15bc42nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <4d0a8e69c3nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >which I did the first time it failed. I don't know if they have a >procedure in place to forward these reports to software authors. No. 8-) > >It's much too big to post here, but if you like I could email the >information privately. Yes please, that would be good. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 10 13:51:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRjWC-0006R1-6o-0006Rh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:51:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRjWC-0006R1-6o; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:51:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRjWC-0006R1-6o; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:51:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRjWB-0005SU-Tc; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:51:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRjV7-00080j-Ot; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:50:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAA3oDv21050 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:50:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAA3oCY21046 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:50:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CRjUp-000DDY-Ce for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:50:12 +0000 Message-ID: <5lisl4Jm+YkBFwah@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:48:54 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November References: <000701c4c3ec$68c42640$bf070552@JeffWallis> <4d0a15bc42nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <007501c4c539$7c604c30$7af8e5d4@mypc> <4d0a8e69c3nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >So to clear this up, is the installer crashing (which is what you said >originally) or is the program itself crashing when you attempt to start >it? A suggestion - it looks like there is a bug, OPW will fall over if there isn't a printer installed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 10 13:51:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CRp6X-0007fO-Af-0007fx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:51:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CRp6X-0007fO-Af; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:49:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRp6X-0007fO-Af; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:49:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CRp6X-0001EG-2c; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:49:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CRp6F-0000YJ-Di; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:49:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAA9mls13444 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:48:47 GMT Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAA9mkP13439 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:48:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CRp5p-000HU8-DC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:48:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:43:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows - 4th November Message-ID: <4d0b95f2dbnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <5lisl4Jm+YkBFwah@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <000701c4c3ec$68c42640$bf070552@JeffWallis> <4d0a15bc42nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <007501c4c539$7c604c30$7af8e5d4@mypc> <4d0a8e69c3nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <5lisl4Jm+YkBFwah@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 10 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >So to clear this up, is the installer crashing (which is what > >you said originally) or is the program itself crashing when > >you attempt to start it? > A suggestion - it looks like there is a bug, OPW will fall > over if there isn't a printer installed. Sorry it was an ambiguous statement. The program installed OK but generated the error when trying to run it. There was no printer installed. Ive now installed a printer and reinstalled OPW and it runs! So the printer bug looks like the cause. -- besters.. Ned === -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 11 17:41:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CSIq6-0000XM-5F-0000YL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:41:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CSIq6-0000XM-5F; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:34:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSIq6-0000XM-5F; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:34:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSIq6-00033b-E5; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:34:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CSIpR-00077R-EM; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:33:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iABHWQY13823 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:32:26 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iABHWPj13800 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:32:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CSIo4-000N0S-8S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:32:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:31:46 GMT From: Jeremy Roberts To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. Message-ID: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello All: I'm attempting to import Artworks documents (each consisting of a single sprite and several draw objects on top) into OPro frames. Smaller versions (e.g. 845KB) load as expected when the doc icon is dropped into the OPro frame, thus proving, at least to me, that I have the relevant AW modules, and !OArtworks, loaded correctly. One of these AW files has a 24MB sprite in it. If I try to load this into OPro, it simply generates the error: "Internal error, no stack for trap handler: Internal error: abort on data transfer.... [etc. etc.]' and Opro quits at once. I assume I /should/ be able to do this exercise OK? What's likely to be going wrong here? How do I get around it? On the Iyo I have a vast supply of memory available, BUT is it not being utilised? Or is Opro being memory-restricted? Or is it something else entirely? I'm not running Aemulor when this happens, and have quitted most other apps which I think (in my naive, finger-crossing, kind of way) may cause conflicts. With thanks for help - Jeremy R. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Now THAT's computing - simple - elegant - productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 11 23:11:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CSO2F-00060O-E6-00060q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:11:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CSO2F-00060O-E6; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:07:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSO2F-00060O-E6; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:07:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSO2F-0002IE-52; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:07:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CSO1s-0002IY-Fg; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:07:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iABN62109171 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:06:02 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iABN62F09168 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:06:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CSO0v-0003Q0-BX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:06:01 +0000 Message-ID: <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:04:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >One of these AW files has a 24MB sprite in it. If I try to load this >into OPro, it simply generates the error: I'd be interested to know if this AW file will display in the freeware AW viewer that comes with the Iyonix, and if large sprites (obviously of the order of 24MB) will display in OP on your machine? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 11 23:51:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CSOdv-0003Jb-4e-0005tE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:51:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CSOdv-0003Jb-4e; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:49:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSOdv-0003Jb-4e; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:46:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSOdm-0005T5-HC; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:46:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CSOdT-0000FE-9D; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:45:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iABNiwk14811 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:44:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iABNiwH14808 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:44:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CSOcb-000OGM-0n for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:44:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:44:32 GMT From: Jeremy Roberts To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. Message-ID: <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >One of these AW files has a 24MB sprite in it. If I try to load this > >into OPro, it simply generates the error: > > I'd be interested to know if this AW file will display in the freeware > AW viewer that comes with the Iyonix, and if large sprites (obviously of > the order of 24MB) will display in OP on your machine? > Hi David: Yes and yes to those, no problem. ATB, Jeremy R. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Now THAT's computing - simple - elegant - productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 12 01:51:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CSQau-0000tQ-6n-0000uh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:51:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CSQau-0000tQ-6n; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:51:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSQau-0000tQ-6n; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:51:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSQat-0005T7-R0; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:51:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CSQaZ-000272-G0; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:50:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAC1o3T07358 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:50:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAC1o2U07355 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:50:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CSQZe-000EmX-E6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:50:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:48:26 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Yes and yes to those, no problem. Hmm. Right at this moment, the thought springs to mind that after lots of messing about with "high bit memory" problems, I added a feature that copied AW files into low memory for rendering. That will probably come unstuck for such large files. Question is what triggers that feature... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 12 02:01:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CSQiT-0003wh-Rt-0003xF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:01:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CSQiT-0003wh-Rt; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:59:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSQiT-0003wh-Rt; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:59:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSQiT-0000kO-E0; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:59:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CSQiF-00049R-KC; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:58:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAC1w8709139 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:58:08 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAC1w8A09133 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:58:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CSQhT-000Fe2-Fh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:58:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:56:33 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >about with "high bit memory" problems, I added a feature that copied AW >files into low memory for rendering. That will probably come unstuck >for such large files. Question is what triggers that feature... Seemingly it depends on if the Artworks modules say they can render from high memory. So that's a question for Martin Wuerthner - at what version does enhanced rendering come in? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 12 14:09:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CSY5q-0005Pg-RZ-0005QU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:09:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CSY5q-0005Pg-RZ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:51:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSY5q-0005Pg-RZ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:51:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSY5q-0006Cr-8Y; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:51:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CSY4f-0003Lq-FH; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:50:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAC9nwd15120 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:49:58 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.190]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAC9nvC15114 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:49:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CSY45-0005Au-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:49:57 +0100 Received: from [62.180.24.2] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CSY44-0002UL-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:49:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:05:12 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. Message-ID: <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >about with "high bit memory" problems, I added a feature that copied AW > >files into low memory for rendering. That will probably come unstuck > >for such large files. Question is what triggers that feature... > > Seemingly it depends on if the Artworks modules say they can render from > high memory. So that's a question for Martin Wuerthner - at what version > does enhanced rendering come in? With version 1.37 (23-Jul-02). Conveniently, the SWI AWRender_Version (&46089) was introduced with 1.36, so you only need to call AWRender_Version and if there is no error, then check the value returned in r0 (137 or higher for version 1.37). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 12 14:49:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CScaY-0000Ua-E3-0000WG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:49:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CScaY-0000Ua-E3; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:39:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CScaY-0000Ua-E3; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:39:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CScaY-00038u-3x; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:39:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CScaG-0005X8-Ci; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:39:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iACEcMs29109 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:38:22 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iACEcMc29106 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:38:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CScZB-000CHC-9s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:38:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:37:03 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Seemingly it depends on if the Artworks modules say they can render from >> high memory. So that's a question for Martin Wuerthner - at what version >> does enhanced rendering come in? > >With version 1.37 (23-Jul-02). Thank you. Over to Jeremy, what does F12, *help modules show? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 12 19:19:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CSgt8-0003de-Ji-0003eX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:19:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CSgt8-0003de-Ji; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:15:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSgt8-0003de-Ji; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:15:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CSgt7-0005qX-Sv; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:15:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CSgrC-0002gB-2r; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:13:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iACJC7d12493 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:12:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iACJC6112489 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:12:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CSgqM-000Pl3-6E for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:12:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:40:50 GMT From: Jeremy Roberts To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. Message-ID: <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id iACJC6112490 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >> Seemingly it depends on if the Artworks modules say they can render from > >> high memory. So that's a question for Martin Wuerthner - at what version > >> does enhanced rendering come in? > > > >With version 1.37 (23-Jul-02). > > Thank you. > > Over to Jeremy, what does F12, *help modules show? Errm, well, um, hmm, nothing I can make sense of!! ;-) Do you (really) want to check for yourself/selves?? :-) JR. -------------------------------------------------------------------- *help modules ==> Help on keyword Modules *Modules lists the modules currently loaded, giving the name and address of the module, and also the address of its workspace. See also *ROMModules. Modules loaded are: MOS Utilities 5.07 (08 Sep 2004) Podule Manager 1.60 (04 Nov 2002) PCI Manager 0.06 (21 Jun 2004) FileSwitch 2.66 (01 Jul 2004) ResourceFS 0.24 (19 Nov 2003) Territory Mgr 0.42 (12 Dec 2002) UK Messages 1.06 (02 Dec 2003) MessageTrans 0.47 (25 Feb 2004) UK Territory 0.51 (16 Apr 2002) Window Manager 4.93 (12 Aug 2004) Desktop 2.66 (01 Jul 2004) C Library 5.50 (01 Jul 2004) NVidia 0.13 (06 Sep 2004) Task Manager 1.26 (21 Jun 2004) ADFSFiler 0.97 (05 Jun 2003) ARM 0.19 (06 May 2004) BBC BASIC V 1.36 (21 Jun 2004) BBC BASIC VI 1.36 (21 Jun 2004) BASICTrans 2.09 (02 Jul 2004) International Buffer Manager 0.37 (16 May 2003) Colour Selector 1.76 (11 Jul 2004) Debugger 1.77 (30 Jul 2004) DeviceFS 0.67 (12 Aug 2004) USBDriver 0.31 (12 Aug 2004) OHCIDriver 0.19 (12 Aug 2004) DisplayManager 0.38 (03 Feb 2003) DMAManager 0.17 (07 Feb 2003) Drag A Sprite 0.15 (16 Mar 2001) Drag An Object 0.08 (27 Nov 2002) Drawing Module 1.17 (05 May 2003) FileCore 3.32 (08 Aug 2003) ADFS 3.35 (03 Apr 2003) Filer 2.08 (07 Feb 2003) FilerSWIs 0.05 (16 Mar 2001) FSLock 1.21 (27 Nov 2000) Font Manager 3.58 (16 Feb 2004) FPEmulator 4.22 (20 Jun 2004) (1.13CELM) Free 0.39 (26 Nov 2002) Hourglass 2.16 (29 Nov 2002) IIC 0.18 (13 Jul 2004) 4.5.2.5 International 1.65 (24 Apr 2002) Int'l Keyboard 0.89 (01 Jul 2004) Inverse Table 0.15 (23 Mar 2001) NetFiler 0.79 (17 Jan 2003) NetStatus 2.09 (17 Jan 2003) NetUtils 2.02 (26 Jun 2003) Obey 0.39 (26 Jun 2003) Pinboard 0.81 (31 Jul 2003) PipeFS 0.22 (14 May 2001) RAMFSFiler 0.38 (13 Jan 2003) ResourceFiler 0.18 (14 May 2001) ROM Fonts 0.71 (12 Aug 2004) ScreenBlanker 2.32 (02 Jul 2001) ScrSaver 0.14 (15 Apr 1998) Serial 0.25 (13 Jul 2004) 4.8.2.9 Serial Device 0.40 (13 Nov 2003) Serial Support 0.25 (13 Nov 2003) SerialMouse 0.08 (13 Nov 2003) ShellCLI 0.33 (23 Oct 2002) SoundDMA 1.64 (21 Feb 2003) AC97 version Sound Control 1.00 (17 Feb 2003) SoundChannels 1.34 (16 Mar 2001) SoundScheduler 1.27 (19 Mar 2001) SpriteExtension 1.16 (03 Mar 2004) SpriteUtils 1.12 (23 Mar 2001) Squash 0.27 (02 Jun 2000) SuperSample 0.13 (23 Mar 2001) System Devices 1.30 (16 Mar 2001) TaskWindow 0.70 (24 Oct 2002) Window Utils 2.53 (05 Apr 2001) Filter Manager 0.24 (16 Mar 2001) WaveSynth 1.19 (21 Jun 2004) StringLib 1.16 (21 Jun 2004) Percussion 1.15 (21 Jun 2004) Filer_Action 0.47 (15 Apr 2003) DOSFS 0.78 (25 Jul 2003) Colour Picker 0.49 (25 Oct 2002) Screen Modes 0.30 (03 Feb 2003) DrawFile 1.52 (22 Nov 2002) Boot Commands 1.34 (06 Sep 2004) AUN Messages 0.17 (08 Sep 2004) Mbuf Manager 0.26 (15 Dec 2000) © ANT Ltd 1994-1996 & Acorn 1997-2000 Internet 5.49 (05 Aug 2004) Resolver 0.69 (11 Jul 2004) (Acorn) © ANT Ltd, 1997 BootNet 0.95 (02 Jul 2004) Mime Mapping 0.15 (19 Jun 2002) © ANT Ltd, 1997-2000 LanManFS 2.30 (16 Feb 2004) EtherK 0.13 (06 Sep 2004) DHCP client 0.21 (05 Aug 2004) !Edit 1.63 (11 Jul 2004) !Draw 1.13 (17 Jan 2003) !Paint 1.96 (21 Feb 2003) !Alarm 2.74 (24 Jul 2003) !Chars 1.20 (08 Sep 2004) !Help 3.13 (08 Sep 2004) Tiny 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RISC OS and the Iyonix: Now THAT's computing - simple - elegant - productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 12 19:49:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CShN8-0003eK-Db-0003fQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:49:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CShN8-0003eK-Db; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:46:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CShN8-0003eK-Db; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:46:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CShN7-0000nE-Vn; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:46:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CShMc-0001or-U1; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:45:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iACJin218273 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:44:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iACJim618270 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:44:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CShLk-000NsH-AE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:44:48 +0000 Message-ID: <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:43:33 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Errm, well, um, hmm, nothing I can make sense of!! ;-) Before you list the module, run OP, because I can't see any ArtWorks modules in that listing. I've had some other thoughts. The frame you're putting this AW file in, is it rectangular? There will be a lot of other complications if it is irregular. Second, you could send me an example. But I'd suggest you construct this by replacing the sprite with one which is pure white, and then sticking the lot in a Zip file - check it still crashes - an all white image should compress well. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 16:55:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CT5ve-0007Vn-Go-0007WM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:55:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CT5ve-0007Vn-Go; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:59:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CT5ve-0007Vn-Go; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:59:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CT5ve-0005Dl-0V; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:59:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CT5vE-0002uG-Fe; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:59:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iADLw8r20320 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:58:08 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iADLw7G20317 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:58:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CT5uZ-000NTp-61 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:58:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:50:09 GMT From: Jeremy Roberts To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. Message-ID: References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >Errm, well, um, hmm, nothing I can make sense of!! ;-) > > Before you list the module, run OP, because I can't see any ArtWorks > modules in that listing. Doh. You'd THINK, wouldn't you, that any fool........ [I'll send the new listing to DP: surely no-one else wants to be bothered with it?] > I've had some other thoughts. > > The frame you're putting this AW file in, is it rectangular? There will > be a lot of other complications if it is irregular. It's rectangular. > > Second, you could send me an example. But I'd suggest you construct this > by replacing the sprite with one which is pure white, and then sticking > the lot in a Zip file - check it still crashes - an all white image > should compress well. > > Yep - replaced the old file with an identical-sized white sprite (i.e. 24MB).... and the new file STILL crashes OPro. Compressed it, and will send through to DP as requested. Grateful for further help! Cheers, Jeremy R. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Now THAT's computing - simple - elegant - productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 16:55:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CU4OS-0003hB-6g-0003hp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:55:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CU4OS-0003hB-6g; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:33:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU4OS-0003hB-6g; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:33:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU4OR-0006Mw-Sp; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:33:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CU4Nw-0002m2-Rb; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:32:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGEW5k20245 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:32:05 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iAGEW4q20231 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:32:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.145.125]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.0) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:31:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:32:42 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] zip-hang Message-ID: <467cc70e4d.michael@talibard.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have recently (for the first time) started using !SparkFS to zip some large files. What it does is to write for a few seconds, and then 'hang' the machine for a longer time, proportional to the size of the file. For example, for a 44 Mg file, it writes for 8 or 9 seconds, then hangs for 1 minute, 49 seconds. Is this a 'feature' or a bug? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 18:05:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CU7fq-0007IS-HQ-0007JF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:05:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CU7fq-0007IS-HQ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:03:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU7fq-0007IS-HQ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:03:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU7fq-0007mt-5s; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:03:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CU7fV-0007JU-TF; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:03:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGI2nu16868 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:02:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGI2mo16864 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:02:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CU7fD-000OLZ-By for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:02:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:01:09 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] zip-hang References: <467cc70e4d.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <467cc70e4d.michael@talibard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have recently (for the first time) started using !SparkFS >to zip some large files. What it does is to write for a few >seconds, and then 'hang' the machine for a longer time, >proportional to the size of the file. >Is this a 'feature' or a bug? It's just the way it is. When a file is being written to SparkFS it is just being spooled (often to memory, if that is not sufficient then to disc). However when a file is closed it has to be compressed, and the compression process is computationally intensive, hence the delay. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 18:05:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CU7gw-0000Kl-H7-0000Lk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:05:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CU7gw-0000Kl-H7; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:04:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU7gw-0000Kl-H7; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:04:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU7gw-00043J-1P; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:04:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CU7gh-0005Nd-Ei; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:04:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGI4Ab17209 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:04:10 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGI49617205 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:04:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CU7gX-000Odk-Ac for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:04:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:02:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP Windows conversion problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) From: "Colin Randall" I wonder if someone is able to help me. I am trying to convert a RiscOS OP file into a Windows one. I have followed the direction on the web site and made the extension .dpd but when I try to open the file I get the message 'No suitable file filter found' and yet in my Windows OP folder I have the five filters TransDDF, PCX, TIF, IMP, PNG and cannot find any others. I know I must be missing something. but what? Any help much appreciated. Colin -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 18:45:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CU8Bp-000274-Hu-00027m."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:45:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CU8Bp-000274-Hu; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:36:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU8Bp-000274-Hu; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:36:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU8Bp-00072f-Aa; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:36:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CU8BP-0000XV-41; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:36:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGIZrB23775 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:35:53 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGIZqt23771 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:35:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CU8BE-0007Uz-DZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:35:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:34:36 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows conversion problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have followed the direction on the web site and made the extension >.dpd >but when I try to open the file I get the message 'No suitable file >filter found' After you give the file the .dpd extension, does it show the correct icon - the Ovation quill symbol with a turned down corner? My suspicion is that the file is not being renamed correctly. Some versions of Windows are set up to not show extensions. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 20:25:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CU9oQ-0006oh-6T-0006pn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:25:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CU9oQ-0006oh-6T; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:20:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU9oQ-0006oh-6T; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:20:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU9oQ-0007aW-W4; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:20:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CU9l5-0005kP-SX; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:16:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGKGno12379 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:16:49 GMT Received: from smtp3.global.net.uk (smtp3.global.net.uk [80.189.92.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGKGmx12374 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:16:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 192.223.adsl.brightview.com ([80.189.223.192] helo=RTV) by smtp3.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1CU9ku-000DYz-HS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:16:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:07:55 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] zip-hang Message-ID: <4D0EE62CD1%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <467cc70e4d.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Authenticated-Sender: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article David Pilling wrote: > > I have recently (for the first time) started using !SparkFS to zip some > > large files. What it does is to write for a few seconds, and then 'hang' > > the machine for a longer time, proportional to the size of the file. Is > > this a 'feature' or a bug? What version is this? > It's just the way it is. When a file is being written to SparkFS it is > just being spooled (often to memory, if that is not sufficient then to > disc). However when a file is closed it has to be compressed, and the > compression process is computationally intensive, hence the delay. Since I upgraded to 1.41 I have had frequent machine 'locks' when opening one particular Arc file. It is 2Mb is size & password protected. The pointer 'freezes' on the icon in the dir' & Alt-break achieves nothing. I never had this problem with 1.39 (never u/g to 1.40) & the file was much bigger at one time. 160Mb is usually free when SFS is run. Since the file doesn't lock the machine every time, I assumed it was 'one of those things'. This msg makes me wonder if SFS has acquired a bug from 1.39 to 1.41. I note that there were changes to 'Dynamic Areas' in 1.40, but I haven't changed 1.41 from the defaults. -- Computer: a person doing calculations Dictionery definition, 1936 __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:35:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CU9tY-0003e6-3K; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:25:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU9tY-0003e6-3K; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:25:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CU9tX-0004mg-N0; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:25:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CU9tP-0002Xi-Sv; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:25:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGKPQW13926 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:25:26 GMT Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGKPQC13922 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:25:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-196-43.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.196.43]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35514E00044B for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:25:26 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:37:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] zip-hang Message-ID: <4d0ee35845steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <467cc70e4d.michael@talibard.com> References: <467cc70e4d.michael@talibard.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16 Nov, michael talibard wrote: > I have recently (for the first time) started using !SparkFS > to zip some large files. What it does is to write for a few > seconds, and then 'hang' the machine for a longer time, > proportional to the size of the file. > For example, for a 44 Mg file, it writes for 8 or 9 seconds, > then hangs for 1 minute, 49 seconds. > Is this a 'feature' or a bug? Feature. The tendency to "pause" while writing to an archive with an increasingly long pause as the file size increases is reasonably well known. TBH - You get increasingly large delays when writing zip files on PeeCees. You could try pointing the temporary file location to a RAM disc and the target zip file location then see how that changes performance. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 21:55:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUBA1-0006yU-7n-0006z2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:55:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUBA1-0006yU-7n; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUBA1-0006yU-7n; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUBA1-0000yx-5r; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUB9j-0002fJ-7l; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGLkEG28281 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGLkDL28278 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUB9R-000Ac1-Dn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:44:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] zip-hang References: <467cc70e4d.michael@talibard.com> <4D0EE62CD1%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4D0EE62CD1%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Since I upgraded to 1.41 I have had frequent machine 'locks' when opening one >particular Arc file. It is 2Mb is size & password protected. The pointer >'freezes' on the icon in the dir' & Alt-break achieves nothing. What Michael Talibard observed is normal and how things are expected to be. I don't think you can build a case on it. What you're telling me sounds different, and more like a bug. It's unlikely to be a new bug because so little has changed. However there are differences for example the program is now linked with GStubs. Sometimes changing things like this, for example using different compiler can make software behave differently. There is one point though, password protected archives, if you attempt to access the contents without first setting the correct password, then they may cause a crash. This is a security feature. As I've often had to point out there is no flag in an archive that says it is password protected, nor is there a copy of the password. Unpacking the data without the right password relies on SparkFS spotting the data is corrupt, and that RISC OS is prepared for a filing system to fail. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 21:55:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUBGN-0005Ep-GQ-0005FH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:55:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUBGN-0005Ep-GQ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:53:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUBGN-0005Ep-GQ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:53:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUBGM-0004SP-SX; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:53:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUBG7-0003vw-3V; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:53:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGLqxB29649 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:52:59 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGLqw529645 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:52:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUBGB-000Aqp-4b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:53:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:51:50 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] zip-hang References: <467cc70e4d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0ee35845steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4d0ee35845steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Feature. The tendency to "pause" while writing to an archive with an >increasingly long pause as the file size increases is reasonably well >known. Different sources of delay. The bigger the file you add to the archive, the longer it takes, because there is more data to compress. The other delay is the bigger the zip file is the longer it takes to update the directory in it. Now long ago, SparkFS handled this in a safe but inefficient way. More recent versions default to a fast (but riskier) strategy. I'd not expect big zip files to be much slower to update these days. >You could try pointing the temporary file location to a RAM disc and the >target zip file location then see how that changes performance. Better to increase SparkFS's max memory slot. SparkFS will only use the temp file if it runs out of memory. If you really want to speed things up, use the *ZipStrength command and change the value from 9 to something less. You'll get somewhat less compression but greater speed in the phase of things that appears to be causing the delay. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 22:15:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUBbn-0002zR-4u-000314."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:15:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUBbn-0002zR-4u; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:15:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUBbn-0002zR-4u; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:15:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUBbn-0002Vh-6S; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:15:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUBbc-0000Sq-IU; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:15:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGMFFm01207 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:15:15 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGMFEg01203 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:15:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUBbW-000G5f-76 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:15:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:13:59 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows conversion problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) After conversion it does have the Ovation Qill a turned down corner, but not the same as that of Documents created in the Windows version. The icon of the converted file has a half-size quill on it. Does that explain anything? Colin -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 22:35:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUBmg-0002Yw-HY-0002ZV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:35:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUBmg-0002Yw-HY; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:26:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUBmg-0002Yw-HY; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:26:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUBmg-0001ZI-7f; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:26:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUBlS-0004bp-GF; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:25:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGMPNF02750 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:25:23 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGMPME02746 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:25:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUBlK-000HMS-7P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:25:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:24:12 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows conversion problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >After conversion it does have the Ovation Qill a turned down corner, >but not the same as that of Documents created in the Windows version. >The icon of the converted file has a half-size quill on it. >Does that explain anything? No, but I would expect any renamed document from the Acorn to show the same icon as a newly created one on Windows. If they don't then the rename is wrong. OP has about four filetypes/extensions, dpd (document), dps (style sheet), ddl (DDL form of document), and csc (Script). It sounds to me as if you've got one of the non-document file types - csc? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 23:25:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUCgk-0003Jh-G3-0003Ml."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:25:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUCgk-0003Jh-G3; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:24:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUCgk-0003Jh-G3; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:24:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUCgk-00064Z-KR; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:24:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUCgT-0005M9-42; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:24:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGNOC112290 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:24:12 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGNOBp12282 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:24:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUCgD-0005wT-Ec for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:24:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:22:51 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Yep - replaced the old file with an identical-sized white sprite (i.e. >24MB).... and the new file STILL crashes OPro. Certain inevitability about this, it appears to be a high bit memory problem... In other words the file does not crash on my Iyonix, however if I run a few copies of OP (using up address space) then it does crash. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 23:36:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUCjy-0007OK-Cu-0007Qk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:36:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUCjy-0007OK-Cu; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:28:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUCjy-0007OK-Cu; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:28:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUCjz-0000Q8-Ng; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:28:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUCjS-0007oZ-UF; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:27:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGNRKJ12856 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:27:20 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGNRKs12850 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:27:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUCjH-000OwB-8R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:27:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:27:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Bug in SparkFS v1.41? Message-ID: <4d0ef86db3lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've just installed SparkFS v1.41 and I notice that it no longer understands .tar files which my Linux server generates as website backups. I reverted back to v1.39 (don't have 1.40 as I upgraded it to 1.41) and that works fine still (thought it might have been my Linux server at fault at first). Switch back to 1.41 again and it stops opening the .tar files. I guess it might be something to do with new filetypes (vague memories of a thread on here) but I'd have thought that directly dragging the file to the !SparkFS icon would open them (they did before). The filetype of the .tar files is c46. Any ideas? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 16 23:55:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUD53-0005aP-S9-0005ap."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:55:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUD53-0005aP-S9; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:49:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUD53-0005aP-S9; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:49:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUD55-0002H3-H3; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:49:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUD4P-00071H-Ch; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:49:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAGNn4t15705 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:49:04 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAGNn3t15702 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:49:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUD4J-000OuL-AO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:49:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:48:00 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bug in SparkFS v1.41? References: <4d0ef86db3lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4d0ef86db3lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've just installed SparkFS v1.41 and I notice that it no longer >understands .tar files which my Linux server generates as website backups. Is the tar module loaded? (SparkFS choices). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 00:45:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUDp7-0004Ew-6T-0004Fq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:45:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUDp7-0004Ew-6T; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:37:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUDp7-0004Ew-6T; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:37:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUDp6-0001vo-PS; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:37:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUDnq-0002Fg-LU; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:36:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAH0Zwu23048 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:35:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAH0Zv723043 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:35:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUDng-000C0M-9P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:35:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:35:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bug in SparkFS v1.41? Message-ID: <4d0efeb308lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4d0ef86db3lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I've just installed SparkFS v1.41 and I notice that it no longer > >understands .tar files which my Linux server generates as website > >backups. > Is the tar module loaded? (SparkFS choices). Yes. I suspected that at first, and ensured that the relevant modules were ticked. In fact, I ticked them all in the end. No joy. Normal .zip files seem ok. Just .tar files so far causing a problem. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ The closest I ever got to a 4.0 in high school was my blood alcohol content. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 03:15:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUGIB-00018V-MQ-00018o."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:15:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUGIB-00018V-MQ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:15:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUGIB-00018V-MQ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:15:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUGIB-0003SS-NN; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:15:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUGHu-0001ta-Bq; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:15:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAH3EvE20958 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:14:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAH3EuS20955 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:14:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUGHY-000KfR-0w for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:14:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:13:49 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bug in SparkFS v1.41? References: <4d0ef86db3lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0efeb308lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4d0efeb308lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Normal .zip files seem ok. Just .tar files so far causing a problem. For me tar files work as expected. Double click or drag and drop on the icon bar icon. How do you go on with a tar file created by SparkFS? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 13:21:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUKu0-0005GG-7L-0005Gy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:21:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUKu0-0005GG-7L; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:10:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUKu0-0005GG-7L; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:10:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUKtz-0000dB-Sn; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:10:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUKtZ-0001ln-6d; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:10:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAH8ACM29789 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:10:12 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAH8ACh29785 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:10:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUKtH-000Gtl-89 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:10:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:09:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bug in SparkFS v1.41? Message-ID: <4d0f2844b7lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4d0ef86db3lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0efeb308lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > For me tar files work as expected. Double click or drag and drop on the > icon bar icon. > How do you go on with a tar file created by SparkFS? Hmm. Just tried that - created new tar file, quit SparkFS, reloaded SparkFS, open tar file - that all works perfectly. No problems there. Examining the two files in !Zap and they're completely different internally. The file created by SparkFS looks like it's got some form of directory structure at the beginning of the file. The one created on my Linux box looks like it's all data - completely random gobbledegook from start to finish, yet it opens perfectly with SparkFS 1.39 I can email you an example file if you like. The one I have here is approx 6K. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ 51 things to do in a lift.... 26. Walk on with a cooler that says "human head" on the side. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 13:21:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUM3t-0003vg-BM-0003wQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:21:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUM3t-0003vg-BM; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:25:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUM3t-0003vg-BM; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:25:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUM3t-0005Zo-8x; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:25:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUM3F-0000f9-2X; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:24:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAH9OGS12702 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:24:16 GMT Received: from smtp3.global.net.uk (smtp3.global.net.uk [80.189.92.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAH9OFA12696 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:24:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 30.226.adsl.brightview.com ([80.189.226.30] helo=RTV) by smtp3.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1CUM2x-00072Q-Br for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:24:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:35:02 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] zip-hang Message-ID: <4D0F2A9376%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <467cc70e4d.michael@talibard.com> <4D0EE62CD1%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Authenticated-Sender: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article David Pilling wrote: > > Since I upgraded to 1.41 I have had frequent machine 'locks' when opening > > one particular Arc file. It is 2Mb is size & password protected. The > > pointer 'freezes' on the icon in the dir' & Alt-break achieves nothing. > What Michael Talibard observed is normal and how things are expected to > be. I don't think you can build a case on it. What you're telling me > sounds different, and more like a bug. > > It's unlikely to be a new bug because so little has changed. However > there are differences for example the program is now linked with GStubs. > Sometimes changing things like this, for example using different > compiler can make software behave differently. That's interesting. Shortly after I wrote the above, the computer locked again after I'd run another prog' that was compiled with GStubs. It seems my RPC has issues with such programs. I didn't notice how much memory was available when the programs crashed the computer, but it's usually >160Mb. > There is one point though, password protected archives, if you attempt > to access the contents without first setting the correct password, then > they may cause a crash. This is a security feature. But I assume that would crash SFS & not the computer. > As I've often had to point out there is no flag in an archive that says > it is password protected, nor is there a copy of the password. Unpacking > the data without the right password relies on SparkFS spotting the data > is corrupt, and that RISC OS is prepared for a filing system to fail. AIH the Zip in question /is/ password protected. Under both 1.39 & 1.41 it opens to show the files, but (obviously) you couldn't load them. -- I like talking to a brick wall. It's the only thing in the world that never contradicts me. Oscar Wilde __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:21:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUMFA-0005dy-Af; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:36:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUMFA-0005dy-Af; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:36:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUMFA-0002pC-4E; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:36:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUMEv-0004fn-5D; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:36:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAH9aSJ16296 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:36:28 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAH9aS016293 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:36:28 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CUMEl-00052Y-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:36:27 +0100 Received: from [62.180.24.225] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CUMEk-00077G-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:36:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:36:01 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. Message-ID: <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >Yep - replaced the old file with an identical-sized white sprite (i.e. > >24MB).... and the new file STILL crashes OPro. > > Certain inevitability about this, it appears to be a high bit memory > problem... > > In other words the file does not crash on my Iyonix, however if I run a > few copies of OP (using up address space) then it does crash. Aha, true, I see the problem with the seventh copy of OP using a 24MB sprite in an AW file. The crash occurs in GSpriteExtend, so OP is exonerated. It seems that GSpriteExtend 0.70 has problems rendering sprites from high addresses. Some internal CC documentation of 1995(!) says about GSpriteExtend 0.65: - should be 32-bit address clean now Which reveals an unexpected amount of foresight on behalf of CC (who was even familiar with that term in 1995?) combined with the almost inevitable fact that software properties are difficult to ensure unless there is a way to test them - which I do not think there was in 1995... Actually, it is still possible that GSpriteExtend is OK and the crash is caused by AWRender passing an invalid address to GSpriteExtend - in any case, it is a problem somewhere in the ArtWorks rendering modules. Until this is fixed I can only recommend making sure that you do not run into high memory problems by not using software that uses excessive logical dynamic area sizes. As I mentioned above, I need to try very hard to provoke the problem by running 7 copies of OP, so if the problem occurs immediately, then some other software has used a lot of logical DA space. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 13:21:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUMHo-0000A0-IK-0000Ar."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:21:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUMHo-0000A0-IK; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:39:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUMHo-0000A0-IK; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:39:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUMHo-0005ux-DL; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:39:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUMHX-0005Bq-6Q; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:39:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAH9dFF17051 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:39:15 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.191]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAH9dEh17044 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:39:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CUMHS-0000Ob-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:39:14 +0100 Received: from [62.180.24.225] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CUMHR-0005jZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:39:14 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:39:01 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bug in SparkFS v1.41? Message-ID: References: <4d0ef86db3lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0efeb308lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0f2844b7lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4d0f2844b7lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d0f2844b7lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> pv wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > For me tar files work as expected. Double click or drag and drop on the > > icon bar icon. > > > How do you go on with a tar file created by SparkFS? > > Hmm. Just tried that - created new tar file, quit SparkFS, reloaded > SparkFS, open tar file - that all works perfectly. No problems there. > > Examining the two files in !Zap and they're completely different > internally. The file created by SparkFS looks like it's got some form of > directory structure at the beginning of the file. The one created on my > Linux box looks like it's all data - completely random gobbledegook from > start to finish, yet it opens perfectly with SparkFS 1.39 The tar format is pretty much plain text and there is no way a standard tar file could end up as "completely random gobbledegook from start to finish", so I guess your "tar" file is really a tar.gz or tar.Z, which would be an entirely different matter. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 13:21:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUN1c-0006oK-Ro-0006pJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:21:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUN1c-0006oK-Ro; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:26:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUN1c-0006oK-Ro; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:26:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUN1c-0000gh-Do; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:26:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUN1F-00007b-0c; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:26:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHAQPE32473 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:26:25 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHAQPg32470 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:26:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.161.75.156] (helo=[213.161.75.156]) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CUMve-0005BB-Dz for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:20:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4d0ef86db3lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0efeb308lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0f2844b7lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:25:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: pv Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bug in SparkFS v1.41? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The tar format is pretty much plain text and there is no way a standard >tar file could end up as "completely random gobbledegook from start to >finish", so I guess your "tar" file is really a tar.gz or tar.Z, which >would be an entirely different matter. Hmm. I'll have to examine my backup script on the server. I think I use a zip compress option on the tar generation - perhaps a -z or something. I'll double-check. However, it still works fine on SparkFS 1.39 so I presume something must have changed somewhere between the versions? Puzzled Paul from Portsmouth. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life. 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(email IS genuine - to fool junkmailers!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 13:21:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUNJv-0001ZQ-AB-0001a4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:21:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUNJv-0001ZQ-AB; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:45:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUNJv-0001ZQ-AB; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:45:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUNJv-0000LJ-FK; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:45:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUNJb-0003kD-4i; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:45:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHAjMe07246 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:45:22 GMT Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHAjMA07241 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:45:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from user-5160.l6.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.65.116.40] helo=Phoebe) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUNJR-0003hP-Tt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:45:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:45:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Bug in SparkFS v1.41? Message-ID: <4d0f367f8emark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4d0ef86db3lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0efeb308lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0f2844b7lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , pv wrote: > >The tar format is pretty much plain text and there is no way a standard > >tar file could end up as "completely random gobbledegook from start to > >finish", so I guess your "tar" file is really a tar.gz or tar.Z, which > >would be an entirely different matter. > Hmm. I'll have to examine my backup script on the server. I think I > use a zip compress option on the tar generation - perhaps a -z or > something. I'll double-check. > However, it still works fine on SparkFS 1.39 so I presume something > must have changed somewhere between the versions? > Puzzled Paul from Portsmouth. Paul, What version of the TAR module have you got in !SparkFS.Modules, I've got 1.40 here? Looking at the upgrade files, the upgrade to 1.40 included new versions of all the Modules whereas the upgrade to 1.41 didn't. Could this possibly be the problem? -- Whatcha up to Norm? My ideal weight if I were eleven feet tall. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 13:51:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUQ42-0006rA-Ar-0006sd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:51:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUQ42-0006rA-Ar; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:41:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUQ42-0006rA-Ar; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:41:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUQ3l-0007E9-QI; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:41:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUQ3L-0000Qi-8D; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:40:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHDefb31622 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:40:41 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHDefN31618 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:40:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUQ3H-0001rb-67 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:40:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:39:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bug in SparkFS v1.41? References: <4d0ef86db3lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0efeb308lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0f2844b7lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4d0f2844b7lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Examining the two files in !Zap and they're completely different >internally. The file created by SparkFS looks like it's got some form of >directory structure at the beginning of the file. The one created on my >Linux box looks like it's all data - completely random gobbledegook from >start to finish, yet it opens perfectly with SparkFS 1.39 Typically a TAR file consists of a number of 512 byte blocks of data. Each file is turned into a number of such blocks, the first block contains the filename and other information, the last block is padded with zeros. There is no compression so you can also see the contents of the files. This structure is quite easy to spot in an editor. OTOH if it just looks like alphabet soup it is probably compressed... There's an old trap - setting the type to Tar when it is actually not Tar, but a GZipped tar (or whatever). This would probably tie up with changes to 1.41, older versions didn't know Tar was an archive type. I'd expect double click to not work with any version (operating in image mode), but drag to the icon bar probably would work on pre 1.40. I'd guess that if you set the type to Data the file will work as you expect. Beyond that, it's the usual thing of not being able to keep everyone happy, the change the Pluto users wanted is the change that has upset your way of working. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 13:51:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUQ5h-0003Jv-8b-0003LZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:51:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUQ5h-0003Jv-8b; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:43:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUQ5h-0003Jv-8b; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:43:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUQ5S-0003rT-D3; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:43:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUQ57-000192-P3; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:42:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHDgf632290 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:42:41 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHDgfI32287 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:42:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUQ5E-0002QO-6H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:42:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:41:26 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] zip-hang References: <467cc70e4d.michael@talibard.com> <4D0EE62CD1%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4D0F2A9376%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4D0F2A9376%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> There is one point though, password protected archives, if you attempt >> to access the contents without first setting the correct password, then >> they may cause a crash. This is a security feature. >But I assume that would crash SFS & not the computer. In general a bug in a program can crash the whole operating system. >AIH the Zip in question /is/ password protected. Under both 1.39 & 1.41 it >opens to show the files, but (obviously) you couldn't load them. Passwords are not supported for Zip files. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 14:01:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUQIG-0003kA-Lq-0003kw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:01:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUQIG-0003kA-Lq; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:56:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUQIG-0003kA-Lq; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:56:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUQIG-0000Ma-0r; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:56:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUQHe-0004vl-KE; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:55:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHDtUV03744 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:55:30 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHDtU603740 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:55:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUQHe-0005oa-4k for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:55:42 +0000 Message-ID: <5alca9Dzf1mBFw53@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:53:55 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Aha, true, I see the problem with the seventh copy of OP using a 24MB >sprite in an AW file. How quickly you get to high bit addresses depends on how much memory there is in the machine, a 512MB machine will get there a lot faster than my 128MB one does. >Which reveals an unexpected amount of foresight on behalf of CC (who was >even familiar with that term in 1995?) Hmm. I don't recall when I first became aware of high bit memory issues. As soon as dynamic areas appeared i.e. RISC OS 3.5 in 1994 they were a logical possibility. At first it was apparent that RISC OS itself had problems with them - you couldn't do some filing system operations on them - so there was not much point sorting out lesser bugs. >fact that software properties are difficult to ensure unless there is a >way to test them - which I do not think there was in 1995... Long ago someone gave me a little bit of Basic that creates empty DA's until they have high bit set addresses. So very easy to arrange a test, but usually an old machine will keel over before you actually manage to do anything (as mentioned above RISC OS had problems itself). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 16:01:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUS5f-00039f-Js-0003Ac."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:01:13 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUS5f-00039f-Js; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:51:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUS5f-00039f-Js; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:51:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUS5e-0003Rn-HD; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:51:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUS4y-0002EH-RE; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:50:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHFoJD10552 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:50:19 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHFoIE10547 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:50:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUS4X-0001n1-37 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:50:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:49:02 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows conversion problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >OP has about four filetypes/extensions, dpd (document), dps (style >sheet), ddl (DDL form of document), and csc (Script). It sounds to me >as if you've got one of the non-document file types - csc? Colin has solved his problem and points out to me, when you rename, rename from Windows, renaming from RISC OS may leave a ",filetype" on the end of the file name. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 17:41:20 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUTfe-0003nF-K8-0003oF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:41:20 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUTfe-0003nF-K8; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:32:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUTfe-0003nF-K8; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:32:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUTfd-00041E-UB; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:32:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUTfB-0006BN-QA; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:32:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHHW0c10258 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:32:00 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHHVx810244 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:31:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUTf8-000Coi-4J for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:32:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:27:51 GMT From: Jeremy Roberts To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. Message-ID: <285b5b0f4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> you wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > >Yep - replaced the old file with an identical-sized white sprite (i.e. > > >24MB).... and the new file STILL crashes OPro. > > > > Certain inevitability about this, it appears to be a high bit memory > > problem... > > > > In other words the file does not crash on my Iyonix, however if I run a > > few copies of OP (using up address space) then it does crash. > > Aha, true, I see the problem with the seventh copy of OP using a 24MB > sprite in an AW file. The crash occurs in GSpriteExtend, so OP is > exonerated. It seems that GSpriteExtend 0.70 has problems rendering > sprites from high addresses. [snip] > > Actually, it is still possible that GSpriteExtend is OK and the crash is > caused by AWRender passing an invalid address to GSpriteExtend - in any > case, it is a problem somewhere in the ArtWorks rendering modules. > > Until this is fixed I can only recommend making sure that you do not run > into high memory problems by not using software that uses excessive > logical dynamic area sizes. As I mentioned above, I need to try very hard > to provoke the problem by running 7 copies of OP, so if the problem occurs > immediately, then some other software has used a lot of logical DA space. > > Martin Thanks for all your - DP's and MW's - useful comments on this. At boot-up ATM I have the (512MB) Iyo running SparkFS, Alarm, TempDir, Netfetch, MessengerPro, Bookmaker, StrongEd, Printers, DPlingScan, NeXTBar, CameraDesk, Oregano2. Can I ask (of someone) WHICH of the above should NOT be run at start-up? - so as to conform with MW's comment above that 'some other software has used a lot of logical DA space.' Or is it the ORDER of running these that I have wrong? Note I don't currently run OPro at start-up, nor Aemulor. Thanks for help, Jeremy R. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Now THAT's computing - simple - elegant - productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 17:51:20 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUTwq-0006gV-RN-0006hQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:51:20 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUTwq-0006gV-RN; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:50:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUTwq-0006gV-RN; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:50:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUTws-0003Xa-Co; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:50:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUTwS-0003Zv-Fd; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:50:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHHnqv15574 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:49:52 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHHnpH15570 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:49:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CUTwF-0004Bo-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:49:51 +0100 Received: from [62.180.25.75] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CUTwE-0003ab-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:49:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:49:38 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. Message-ID: References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <285b5b0f4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <285b5b0f4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <285b5b0f4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> Jeremy Roberts wrote: > Thanks for all your - DP's and MW's - useful comments on this. > > At boot-up ATM I have the (512MB) Iyo running SparkFS, Alarm, TempDir, > Netfetch, MessengerPro, Bookmaker, StrongEd, Printers, DPlingScan, > NeXTBar, CameraDesk, Oregano2. > > Can I ask (of someone) WHICH of the above should NOT be run at start-up? > - so as to conform with MW's comment above that 'some other software has > used a lot of logical DA space.' As far as I can see, at least MessengerPro and Oregano2 are hot candidates. Please note that MPro has an option to limit its DA usage. If you set this properly, then MPro will not be a problem. In !Messenger.Servers.!MsgServe.!Run2 you need the line: Set MsgServe$DynamicAreaSize 33554432 (if you find a similar line, change it, else add it somewhere near the start) > Or is it the ORDER of running these that I have wrong? No. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 18:21:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUUHZ-0001Yf-IR-0001ZA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:21:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUUHZ-0001Yf-IR; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:11:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUUHZ-0001Yf-IR; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:11:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUUHb-0001gk-PB; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:11:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUUHL-0004xT-Et; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:11:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHIBNj20897 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:11:23 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHIBNh20894 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:11:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUUGq-000MIv-Gr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:11:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:10:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <285b5b0f4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> At boot-up ATM I have the (512MB) Iyo running SparkFS, Alarm, TempDir, >> Netfetch, MessengerPro, Bookmaker, StrongEd, Printers, DPlingScan, >> NeXTBar, CameraDesk, Oregano2. The latest versions of DPlingScan and SparkFS will let you configure things so that they don't use a full 512MB of address space. See respective ReadMe files. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 19:41:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUVep-0000OV-QM-0000PW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:41:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUVep-0000OV-QM; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:40:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUVep-0000OV-QM; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUVeo-0004NB-K9; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUVeW-0000cC-Mu; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHJdVe06195 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHJdVM06189 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUVeM-000OPs-9L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:38:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Bug in SparkFS v1.41? Message-ID: <4d0f675ad7lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4d0ef86db3lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0efeb308lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4d0f2844b7lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > I'd guess that if you set the type to Data the file will work as you > expect. Aha. Yes. That solved it. Thanks very much. I'll have to have a fiddle around with my mimemap file and see if I can fool it into opening it. In the meantime, I'll just drag the file to the icon. Thanks for pointing that out. Paul :-) -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 17 20:51:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUWe5-0003NF-Qn-0003Ne."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:51:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUWe5-0003NF-Qn; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:43:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUWe5-0003NF-Qn; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:43:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUWe5-000233-1t; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:43:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUWdb-0008Pj-S9; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:42:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHKgW918929 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:42:32 GMT Received: from smtp2.global.net.uk (smtp2.global.net.uk [80.189.94.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHKgWE18924 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:42:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 237.227.adsl.brightview.com ([80.189.227.237] helo=RTV) by smtp2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1CUWdM-0001RC-19 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:42:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:24:55 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] zip-hang Message-ID: <4D0F6B9112%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4D0F2A9376%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Authenticated-Sender: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article David Pilling wrote: > >> There is one point though, password protected archives, if you attempt > >> to access the contents without first setting the correct password, then > >> they may cause a crash. This is a security feature. > >But I assume that would crash SFS & not the computer. > In general a bug in a program can crash the whole operating system. True, but I was referring to the 'security feature', but perhaps that comment was 'tongue-in-cheek'. > >AIH the Zip in question /is/ password protected. Under both 1.39 & 1.41 it > >opens to show the files, but (obviously) you couldn't load them. > Passwords are not supported for Zip files. Sorry, I should have said the Arc in question... All this talk of Zip files has confused me! ;-) I suspect that my RPC doesn't like 258Mb of RAM. Before I installed that I had few crashes. Now they occur quite frequently. -- Some people don't have a single redeeming vice __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:51:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUWkP-00012J-LV; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:49:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUWkP-00012J-LV; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:49:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUWkP-00026z-8o; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:49:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUWjy-0001HC-GO; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:49:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAHKnFd19984 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:49:15 GMT Received: from mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAHKnEd19980 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:49:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041117204910.CHGS1968.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:49:10 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.9.213.119]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041117204909.RGEG17601.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@Iyonix> for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:49:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:49:27 GMT From: Alan Leighton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] zip-hang Message-ID: <55d06d0f4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4D0F2A9376%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4D0F6B9112%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4D0F6B9112%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4D0F6B9112%mik.towse@xemik.com> you wrote: > In article David Pilling wrote: > > > >> There is one point though, password protected archives, if you attempt > > >> to access the contents without first setting the correct password, then > > >> they may cause a crash. This is a security feature. > > >But I assume that would crash SFS & not the computer. > > In general a bug in a program can crash the whole operating system. > True, but I was referring to the 'security feature', but perhaps that > comment was 'tongue-in-cheek'. > > > >AIH the Zip in question /is/ password protected. Under both 1.39 & 1.41 it > > >opens to show the files, but (obviously) you couldn't load them. > > Passwords are not supported for Zip files. > Sorry, I should have said the Arc in question... All this talk of Zip files > has confused me! ;-) > > I suspect that my RPC doesn't like 258Mb of RAM. Before I installed that I > had few crashes. Now they occur quite frequently. Honestly we dont realize the work DP does and how that makes our lives so much better Alan > -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton DD BD MCIM Dean of Academic Studies St Augustine Theological Seminary Priory Lodge, Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 18 13:26:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUhCS-0005WI-CH-0005XD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:26:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUhCS-0005WI-CH; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:59:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUhCS-0005WI-CH; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:59:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUhCS-0000WR-IT; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:59:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUhBx-0006ig-RR; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:58:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAI7wae28676 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:58:36 GMT Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAI7wa328671 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:58:36 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-166-40.freeuk.com ([80.168.166.40] helo=HOBBIT) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CUhBb-000GTE-7v for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:58:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:58:32 GMT From: roger darlington To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 -> 1.40 (or 1.41) Message-ID: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Just after seeing that SparkFS has been updated I looked at my copy, it is 1.39. But there is no 1.39 to 1.40 or 1.39 to 1.41 upgrade on your update page, and I over-read someone saying that betweem 1.39 and 1.40 new modules were introduced. Please can you address the problem of upgrading from 1.39. -- Cheers Roger Bury Walkers http://burywalkers.members.beeb.net/ Atomic Software http://rogerdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Summer Winers http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ A pint glass is a beer-bottle without a bottle-neck -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 18 13:26:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUhvV-0001sz-GI-0001tU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:26:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUhvV-0001sz-GI; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:46:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUhvV-0001sz-GI; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:46:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUhvU-0006BX-Pt; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:46:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUhuv-0004fY-4c; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:45:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAI8jGi05171 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:45:16 GMT Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAI8jGr05167 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:45:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-166-40.freeuk.com ([80.168.166.40] helo=HOBBIT) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CUhul-000IJp-8Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:45:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:45:08 GMT From: roger darlington To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] DPSS 1.19 -> 1.21: filters missing now Message-ID: <3256af0f4d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi David, I just upgraded my !DPSS from 1.19 to 1.21 and now I find that the extra filters I designed have gone missing from the filter>user menu. The file 'Filters' still shows all 16 as being present, but !DPSS has failed to read them further than 'Slight Sharpen' (ie resident filters). I expect there's some sort of config to set, but cannot find it. -- Cheers Roger Bury Walkers http://burywalkers.members.beeb.net/ Atomic Software http://rogerdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Summer Winers http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ Scene one - seen 'em all. Scene two - seen too many. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 18 13:26:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUi1b-0001Tc-Jn-0001UB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:26:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUi1b-0001Tc-Jn; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:52:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUi1b-0001Tc-Jn; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:52:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUi1a-0001BU-Q4; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:52:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUi1L-0003ye-MW; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:52:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAI8pwF06199 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:51:58 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAI8pvY06196 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:51:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from user-6937.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.155.25] helo=Phoebe) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUi1F-0001Z7-06 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:51:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:51:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.39 -> 1.40 (or 1.41) Message-ID: <4d0faff50cmark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , roger darlington wrote: > Just after seeing that SparkFS has been updated I looked at my copy, it > is 1.39. But there is no 1.39 to 1.40 or 1.39 to 1.41 upgrade on your > update page, and I over-read someone saying that betweem 1.39 and 1.40 > new modules were introduced. > Please can you address the problem of upgrading from 1.39. I can email you the upgrade file if you want. I've got all the upgrades from 133 to 141! Just in case :) -- Beer, Normie? Uh, Coach, I dunno, I had one this week. Eh, why not, I'm still young. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 18 13:26:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUiPX-00074I-B8-000762."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:26:52 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUiPX-00074I-B8; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:17:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUiPX-00074I-B8; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:17:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUiPW-0006ct-Rb; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:17:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUiPH-0003Rf-2W; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:16:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAI9GcN11766 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:16:38 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAI9GcR11762 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:16:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CUiP8-0005Eh-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:16:38 +0100 Received: from [62.180.24.205] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CUiP3-00076J-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:16:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:16:01 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 -> 1.40 (or 1.41) Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message roger darlington wrote: > Just after seeing that SparkFS has been updated I looked at my copy, it > is 1.39. But there is no 1.39 to 1.40 or 1.39 to 1.41 upgrade on your > update page Where did you look? I find precisely these upgrades on the SparkFS page: http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/spark.html * Click to download SparkFS 1.41 (to upgrade from version 1.40) * Click to download SparkFS 1.41 1.40 (to upgrade from version 1.39) Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 18 13:36:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUmPq-0006v4-3H-0006w9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:36:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUmPq-0006v4-3H; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:33:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUmPq-0006v4-3H; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:33:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUmPp-0002SB-OH; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:33:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUmPJ-0006ni-34; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:33:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAIDWog24142 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:32:50 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAIDWo524138 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:32:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUmP3-0006gF-B4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:32:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:31:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPSS 1.19 -> 1.21: filters missing now References: <3256af0f4d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <3256af0f4d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I just upgraded my !DPSS from 1.19 to 1.21 and now I find that the >extra filters I designed have gone missing from the filter>user menu. > >The file 'Filters' still shows all 16 as being present, but !DPSS has >failed to read them further than 'Slight Sharpen' (ie resident >filters). My expectation is that the upgrade overwrites the filters in the copy you're upgrading. So it's not a surprise that when you run the new copy any user defined filters are gone (I admit this is not a good thing). The mystery is why you can still find new filters you added - perhaps this is in a different copy of the program - in which case the solution is to copy them across. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 18 13:36:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUmRR-0007l2-DG-0007lk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:36:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUmRR-0007l2-DG; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:35:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUmRR-0007l2-DG; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:35:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUmRR-00015M-Kb; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:35:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUmR6-0000OT-UO; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:34:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAIDYpM24727 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:34:51 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAIDYpW24722 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:34:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUmR1-0007CZ-9v for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:34:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:33:11 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.39 -> 1.40 (or 1.41) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Please can you address the problem of upgrading from 1.39. Full sets of upgrades are on the home page for each program. The RISC OS home page only has a link to the latest upgrade. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 18 14:36:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUnKI-0005wE-RO-0005wy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:36:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUnKI-0005wE-RO; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:31:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUnKI-0005wE-RO; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:31:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUnKG-0004eA-Dn; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:31:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUnK4-000862-Pl; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:31:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAIEVYA10831 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:31:34 GMT Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAIEVYZ10826 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:31:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-165-228.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.228] helo=HOBBIT) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CUnJt-0009s0-9D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:31:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:31:29 GMT From: roger darlington To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPSS 1.19 -> 1.21: filters missing now Message-ID: References: <3256af0f4d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="948536360--1246378743--1862124001" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This message is in MIME format which your mailer apparently does not support. You either require a newer version of your software which supports MIME, or a separate MIME decoding utility. Alternatively, ask the sender of this message to resend it in a different format. --948536360--1246378743--1862124001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 18 Nov 2004, David Pilling wrote: > > >I just upgraded my !DPSS from 1.19 to 1.21 and now I find that the > >extra filters I designed have gone missing from the filter>user menu. > > > >The file 'Filters' still shows all 16 as being present, but !DPSS has > >failed to read them further than 'Slight Sharpen' (ie resident > >filters). > > My expectation is that the upgrade overwrites the filters in the copy > you're upgrading. So it's not a surprise that when you run the new copy > any user defined filters are gone (I admit this is not a good thing). > The mystery is why you can still find new filters you added - perhaps > this is in a different copy of the program - in which case the solution > is to copy them across. > No, the update did not over-write the 'Filter' file to which I added extra filters, it is still there, in 1.21. But running DPSS and going to Filter>Users does not show more than the resident 6 filters, the extra ones I defined are not shown. But THEY ARE IN THE 'Filter' file, which IS within !DPSS 1.21. I enclose my Filters file, in case it is corrupt now., but it looks OK to me. -- Cheers Roger Bury Walkers http://burywalkers.members.beeb.net/ Atomic Software http://rogerdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Summer Winers http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ Get fit: Recycle your bicycle --948536360--1246378743--1862124001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="Filters" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Filters" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable //->Filters // Produced by ImageMaster at 8:26pm 14 Feb 00 // // // // Emboss 0,0,0,0,0 0,-1,0,0,0 0,0,0,0,0 0,0,0,1,0 0,0,0,0,0 128,1 // // Blur 0,0,0,0,0 0,1,1,1,0 0,1,1,1,0 0,1,1,1,0 0,0,0,0,0 0,9 // // Slight blur 0,0,0,0,0 0,5,7,5,0 0,7,20,7,0 0,5,7,5,0 0,0,0,0,0 0,68 // // Sharpen 0,0,0,0,0 0,-1,-1,-1,0 0,-1,10,-1,0 0,-1,-1,-1,0 0,0,0,0,0 0,2 // // Laplace Edge 0,0,0,0,0 0,-1,-1,-1,0 0,-1,8,-1,0 0,-1,-1,-1,0 0,0,0,0,0 0,1 // // SlightSharpen 0,0,0,0,0 0,-1,-1,-1,0 0,-1,20,-1,0 0,-1,-1,-1,0 0,0,0,0,0 0,12 // // Emboss2 0,0,0,0,0 0,-1,-1,0,0 0,-1,0,1,0 0,0,1,1,0 0,0,0,0,0 128,1 // // High Sharpen 0,0,0,0,0 0,-1,-1,-1,0 0,-1,9,-1,0 0,-1,-1,-1,0 0,0,0,0,0 0,1 // // Light Blurr 0,0,0,0,0 0,1,2,1,0 0,2,2,2,0 0,1,2,1,0 0,0,0,0,0 0,14 // // Enhance Detail 0,0,0,0,0 0,0,-1,0,0 0,-1,9,-1,0 0,0,-1,0,0 0,0,0,0,0 0,5 // // Enhance Focus 0,0,0,0,0 0,0,-1,0,0 0,-1,7,-1,0 0,0,-1,0,0 0,0,0,0,0 0,3 // // 5x5 Sharpen -1,-2,-3,-2,-1 -2,-4,-5,-4,-2 -3,-5,160,-5,-3 -2,-4,-5,-4,-2 -1,-2,-3,-2,-1 0,92 // // 5x5 ring sharp -1,-1,-1,-1,-1 -1,0,0,0,-1 -1,0,32,0,-1 -1,0,0,0,-1 -1,-1,-1,-1,-1 0,16 // // Camera Shake -1,-1,-1,-1,-1 -1,1,1,1,-1 -1,1,-3,1,-1 -1,1,1,1,-1 -1,-1,-1,-1,-1 0,-11 // // speed 0,0,0,0,2 0,0,0,2,0 0,0,2,0,0 0,0,0,2,0 0,0,0,0,2 0,10 // // Hedged Laplace -1,-1,-1,-1,-1 -1,-1,-1,-1,-1 -1,-2,29,-2,-1 -1,-1,-1,-1,-1 -1,-1,-1,-1,-1 0,-1 --948536360--1246378743--1862124001-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 18 15:26:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUo8K-0005tF-IX-0005vz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:26:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUo8K-0005tF-IX; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:23:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUo8K-0005tF-IX; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:23:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUo8K-0003KI-CQ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:23:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUo7k-000827-Do; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:23:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAIFMqS27089 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:22:52 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAIFMqY27084 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:22:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CUo7X-000NLg-Dt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:22:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:21:43 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPSS 1.19 -> 1.21: filters missing now References: <3256af0f4d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >No, the update did not over-write the 'Filter' file to which I added >extra filters, it is still there, in 1.21. But running DPSS and going Where exactly are your filters? The active ones appear to be in DPlngScan.Resources -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 18 15:36:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUoHX-0007l8-JR-0007ls."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:36:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUoHX-0007l8-JR; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:33:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUoHX-0007l8-JR; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:33:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUoHW-0003B3-DE; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:33:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUoHJ-0004MZ-Dz; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:32:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAIFWgo30450 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:32:42 GMT Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAIFWfV30443 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:32:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-165-228.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.228] helo=HOBBIT) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CUoH3-000Ci1-75 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:32:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:32:35 GMT From: roger darlington To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPSS 1.19 -> 1.21: filters missing now Message-ID: <8ba3d40f4d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <3256af0f4d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 18 Nov 2004, David Pilling wrote: > >No, the update did not over-write the 'Filter' file to which I added > >extra filters, it is still there, in 1.21. But running DPSS and going > > Where exactly are your filters? > > The active ones appear to be in DPlngScan.Resources > > Aha - they are in the root !DPSS directory! Moved them into the resources dir and everything hunky dory again. Many thanks, problem solved. -- Cheers Roger Bury Walkers http://burywalkers.members.beeb.net/ Atomic Software http://rogerdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Summer Winers http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ "I suspect everyone, and yet, I suspect no-one" Inspector Cleuseau -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 18 21:47:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CUu4R-0005nQ-Sf-0005nw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:47:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CUu4R-0005nQ-Sf; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:44:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUu4R-0005nQ-Sf; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:44:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CUu4R-0003HQ-Nb; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:44:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUu3z-00035E-KJ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:43:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAILh5m32131 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:43:05 GMT Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAILh4f32128 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:43:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-196-165.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.196.165]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDB4E0002C6 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:43:04 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:52:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] zip-hang Message-ID: <4d0ff1f81fsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <467cc70e4d.michael@talibard.com> <4d0ee35845steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > If you really want to speed things up, use the *ZipStrength command and > change the value from 9 to something less. You'll get somewhat less > compression but greater speed in the phase of things that appears to be > causing the delay. I've always defaulted to the technique of copying the files into the zip and then going downstairs to make a pot of tea. Never fails, the job is always finished when I next look. :-) -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 20 14:06:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVVbK-00064h-Gy-00065h."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:06:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVVbK-00064h-Gy; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:48:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVVbK-00064h-Gy; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:48:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVVbK-0007Rf-3A; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:48:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVVal-0005bG-Au; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:47:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAKDlOQ07705 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:47:24 GMT Received: from smtp18.wxs.nl (smtp18.wxs.nl [195.121.6.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAKDlLP07698 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:47:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp18.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I7H000OACYXM5@smtp18.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:47:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:47:34 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Little mistake in THe applet To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear all, I think I found a little mistake in the THe applet. Actually, it was Harriet Bazley who pointed my attention to it. One of the options is the automatic substitution of a normal dash between spaces by a so-called n-dash. The applet chooses ASCII 153 for that dash, while it actually should be ASCII 151. On the other hand, a dash between numbers is automatically substituted by ASCII 151, while it should be ASCII 153 (the minus sign). Apparently, both dashes seem to be transposed. However, it is quite easy to change things back. Just search for {Deleteb}- (the latter being ASCII 151) and change that dash to ASCII 153 Then search for {Deleteb}- (the latter being a normal dash) and change that dash to ASCII 151. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 20 14:26:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVW7h-0007Zz-A5-0007al."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:26:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVW7h-0007Zz-A5; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:21:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVW7h-0007Zz-A5; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:21:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVW7g-00018m-TD; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:21:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVW6u-0003vL-Fr; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:21:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAKEKsG13575 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:20:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAKEKri13572 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:20:53 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CVW6f-000DGp-0z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:20:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:19:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Little mistake in THe applet References: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I think I found a little mistake in the THe applet. Interesting. I believe Rupert Thompson (THe author) has left the scene. I do have his agreement for me to produce versions of his applets for Windows. The point I'm making is that someone should (or can) (or will have to) produce a modified version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 20 14:56:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVWZo-00067Z-Qk-00068s."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:56:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVWZo-00067Z-Qk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:51:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVWZo-00067Z-Qk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:51:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVWZo-0001Uf-3O; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:51:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVWZL-00045P-2V; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:50:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAKEoMR18674 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:50:22 GMT Received: from mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAKEoMp18671 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:50:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041120145017.LSEI5690.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:50:17 +0000 Received: from iyonix.iyonix.ntlworld.com ([213.106.195.89]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041120145017.CKMN1125.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@iyonix.iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:50:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:50:14 GMT From: Roger Noble To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Little mistake in THe applet Message-ID: <366fd8104d.rgn@iyonix.ntlworld.com> References: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.08) X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Paul Sprangers wrote: > One of the options is the automatic substitution of a normal dash between > spaces by a so-called n-dash. The applet chooses ASCII 153 for that dash, > while it actually should be ASCII 151. On the other hand, a dash between > numbers is automatically substituted by ASCII 151, while it should be ASCII > 153 (the minus sign). Apparently, both dashes seem to be transposed. At least with my version (1.79) it is doing the correct thing. It is replacing a - between digits with an en-dash (ASCII 151) and a - between spaces with an em-dash (ASCII 152); all of which is what it says on the menu. In any case, it really shouldn't replace either with a minus sign (ASCII 153). Cheers, Roger -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 20 15:16:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVWqr-0000fp-Qn-0000gv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:16:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVWqr-0000fp-Qn; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:08:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVWqr-0000fp-Qn; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:08:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVWqr-0004qv-3n; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:08:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVWqd-0002dg-CA; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:08:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAKF8HW22212 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:08:17 GMT Received: from mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAKF8Hf22209 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:08:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041120150817.MTKT5690.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:08:17 +0000 Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041120150816.FUNP1125.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:08:16 +0000 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: "'List PillingSoftware'" Subject: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:08:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 thread-index: AcTPEoCHH8vdh933SVmjv8w/keP/FQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041120150816.FUNP1125.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Since updating to the latest version of OP for Windows I've found the style palette applet no longer works. Has anyone else had this problem? Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 20 15:36:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVXCW-0001gj-DW-0001hn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:36:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVXCW-0001gj-DW; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:31:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVXCW-0001gj-DW; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:31:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVXCV-0000Nj-NW; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:30:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVXC6-00035A-CF; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:30:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAKFUPH26101 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:30:25 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAKFUPW26097 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:30:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CVXBw-000MOF-1r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:29:18 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette References: <20041120150816.FUNP1125.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> In-Reply-To: <20041120150816.FUNP1125.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Since updating to the latest version of OP for Windows I've found the style >palette applet no longer works. Has anyone else had this problem? What's the date on the version you have? (Help->About). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 20 15:56:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVXVg-0000oS-BI-0000oy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:56:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVXVg-0000oS-BI; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:50:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVXVg-0000oS-BI; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:50:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVXVg-00014z-9N; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:50:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVXV0-0006rm-K2; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:50:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAKFnv229262 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:49:57 GMT Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.10]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAKFnu429259 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:49:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bb-195-172-55-213.ukonline.co.uk ([195.172.55.213] helo=nails.norbins) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CVXUm-00037n-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:49:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:48:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Nagel Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Little mistake in THe applet -- minus etc To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: speaking for myself X-Return-Rcpt-To: jim@abbeypress.net X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id iAKFnv429260 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sat 20 Nov, Paul Sprangers wrote: > I think I found a little mistake in the THe applet. [...] > One of the options is the automatic substitution of a normal dash between > spaces by a so-called n-dash. The applet chooses ASCII 153 for that dash, > while it actually should be ASCII 151. > On the other hand, a dash between numbers is automatically substituted by > ASCII 151, while it should be ASCII 153 (the minus sign). [...] you DO want an N-dash (ascii 151) BETWEEN numbers, when you mean a RANGE of numbers, eg. 1914—1984. a minus sign (ascii 153) would, in my stylebook at least, have a space before it and no space between it and the number when you mean an negative number. horrible to use a hyphen here. when you mean the minus as an operator, it would be ascii 153 with space both fore and aft. the Oxford Handbook for Editors and Typesetters (approximate title!) has a definitive section on the subtle differences in usage for hyphen (ascii 45), N-dash and M-dash (RiscOS 152). and am i correct that the RiscOS font system is unique (and superior) in having a distinct character for minus? (exactly the same width and height as the plus sign.) as far as i can make out, Windoze and Mac do not, nor the Hermes system used by The Times. what about Linux etc? -- Jim Nagel freelance writer & subeditor: Computer Shopper magazine UK * The Times * Abbey Press Glastonbury *** please note new email address. flood of junkmail forces phase-out of my old UKonline address. *** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 20 16:26:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVXxP-0002nj-F3-0002oT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:26:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVXxP-0002nj-F3; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:19:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVXxP-0002nj-F3; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:19:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVXxP-0006Fu-FY; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:19:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVXwg-0001hS-Gt; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:18:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAKGIVn02589 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:18:31 GMT Received: from smtp13.wxs.nl (smtp13.wxs.nl [195.121.6.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAKGIV402584 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:18:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I7H00JI2JXPIA@smtp13.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:17:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:17:55 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Little mistake in THe applet In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4d10e075eepaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > Interesting. I believe Rupert Thompson (THe author) has left the scene. > I do have his agreement for me to produce versions of his applets for > Windows. The point I'm making is that someone should (or can) (or will > have to) produce a modified version. Well, changing two bytes is not something that I would call 'producing a modified version'. And since Jim Nagel pointed out that the dash between two numbers should be an ASCII-151 after all, as it is intended to be a range, rather than a calculation, it's just a matter of changing one single byte. Although something tells me that you are far more competent than I am, I could send you my version, if you want to. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 20 16:36:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVYC0-0004st-6a-0004tl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:36:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVYC0-0004st-6a; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:34:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVYC0-0004st-6a; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:34:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVYBz-000597-HQ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:34:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVYAq-0003Lq-1e; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:33:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAKGXBC05786 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:33:11 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAKGXBh05783 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:33:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CVYAQ-0008o4-GS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:32:54 +0000 Message-ID: <2YV$apC3F3nBFwRc@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:31:51 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Little mistake in THe applet -- minus etc References: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >and am i correct that the RiscOS font system is unique (and superior) >in having a distinct character for minus? (exactly the same width and >height as the plus sign.) as far as i can make out, Windoze and Mac >do not, nor the Hermes system used by The Times. what about Linux etc? 8 bit Windows does not have the minus glyph, but Unicode Windows does. In addition you have to draw the line with fonts, so if you're using Windows 98 which does support some Unicode then you may have fonts which don't. All this matters to me, if you take a RISC OS document to the Windows version of Ovation Pro. You'll find that typically on Windows XP, all the RISC OS glyphs appear. There are a number of RISC OS glyphs which are not in 8 bit Windows, the fl and fi ligatures, the four Welsh glyphs, spring to mind. Of course 8 bit Windows does have some glyphs which RISC OS does not. I guess this is yesterdays battle though because now everyone has a Unicode font manager and they support a lot of glyphs. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 20 16:46:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVYJA-00018w-JD-00019x."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:46:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVYJA-00018w-JD; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:41:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVYJA-00018w-JD; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:41:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVYJA-0005TP-N1; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:41:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVYIh-0005JJ-HC; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:41:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAKGfII07410 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:41:18 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAKGfHI07406 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:41:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CVYIX-000048-DI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:41:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:40:06 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Little mistake in THe applet References: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> <4d10e075eepaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4d10e075eepaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Well, changing two bytes is not something that I would call 'producing a >modified version'. And since Jim Nagel pointed out that the dash between The points I'm making are that if anyone comes up with changes to these programs, the author is not around to incorporate them into a future release, and if anyone thinks these programs could be taken forward there is an opportunity to take them over. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:47:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVYwu-0003dc-5z-0003eJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:47:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVYwu-0003dc-5z; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:23:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVYwu-0003dc-5z; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:23:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVYwu-0004jx-M0; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:23:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVYwf-00008P-PA; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:22:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAKHMYp21315 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:22:34 GMT Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAKHMXL21310 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:22:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVYwS-000CWU-TG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:22:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:21:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Little mistake in THe applet Message-ID: <4d10e64dacchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> References: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Dear all, > I think I found a little mistake in the THe applet. > Actually, it was Harriet Bazley who pointed my attention to it. > One of the options is the automatic substitution of a normal dash > between spaces by a so-called n-dash. The applet chooses ASCII 153 > for that dash, while it actually should be ASCII 151. On the other > hand, a dash between numbers is automatically substituted by ASCII > 151, while it should be ASCII 153 (the minus sign). Apparently, > both dashes seem to be transposed. > However, it is quite easy to change things back. > Just search for {Deleteb}- (the latter being ASCII 151) and change that > dash to ASCII 153 > Then search for {Deleteb}- (the latter being a normal dash) and change that > dash to ASCII 151. I will certainly make the change in the version on my alt opro site (once it has become clear what changes are actually needed 8o)) Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:47:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVrNT-0004kL-8k-0004kr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:47:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVrNT-0004kL-8k; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:03:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVrNT-0004kL-8k; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:03:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVrNT-0005z2-D7; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:03:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVrMo-0006bY-Kk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:02:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iALD2d005158 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:02:39 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iALD2dY05152 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:02:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=52539 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVrMU-0002Kl-R3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:02:38 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.69.179]:55441 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVrMT-0004ah-TI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:02:37 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c4cfc2$0892a5d0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> <2YV$apC3F3nBFwRc@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Little mistake in THe applet -- minus etc Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:02:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:31 PM , David Pilling wrote: >> and am i correct that the RiscOS font system is unique (and superior) >> in having a distinct character for minus? (exactly the same width and >> height as the plus sign.) as far as i can make out, Windoze and Mac >> do not, nor the Hermes system used by The Times. what about Linux >> etc? > > 8 bit Windows does not have the minus glyph, but Unicode Windows does. > In addition you have to draw the line with fonts, so if you're using > Windows 98 which does support some Unicode then you may have fonts > which don't. 8 bit Windows, I think you mean a windows TrueType font of 256 characters. These 256 characters are the characters defined in 'Windows Ansi' and/or 'Western Europe' or in CodePage 1252. Unicode Windows, I think you mean a windows TrueType or OpenType font, which contains more than 256 characters. Such a font is divided in 'subsets' of 256 chars, called CodePages. By default 'Western Europe' = CP1252 is used. The other chars (belonging to another subset) can be used too. This depends on: 1) Unicode support and the degree of Unicode support in a program. 2) a fontmanager, that offers Unicode support. > All this matters to me, if you take a RISC OS document to the Windows > version of Ovation Pro. You'll find that typically on Windows XP, all > the RISC OS glyphs appear. .... as long as you use a font, that contains all the glyphs, this is also true for other Windows OS versions. Even in W98. The font manager supports this part of Unicode fontmanagement. > There are a number of RISC OS glyphs which are not in 8 bit Windows, > the fl and fi ligatures, the four Welsh glyphs, spring to mind. Default 'Latin1 Encoding' in Windows defines a different 256-chars set than in 'Acorn Latin1' or 'EFF Latin 1' or 'iSV Latin 1'. And the older versions of 'Acorn Latin1' also differ from the current one (no Welsh glyphs, no Euro). As far as I can see, Acorn originally based the choice on what you find in Type1 fonts in PostScript printers - be it in a different order. These include fi and fl and minus. But also a few other chars, which you don't find in 'Acorn Latin1' and also not in 'Windows Latin1'. > Of course 8 bit Windows does have some glyphs which RISC OS does not. Yes. I think you did a great job by giving Acorn Latin1 support in the Windows version of Ovation Pro. And ... even better, when I export text from OPW to e.g. Notepad, I also get the correct chars in Notepad. The other way around isn't perfect yet - there are a few Windows only glyphs from the range 128...160, which shouldn't appear or appear differently, when I import a text from a windows program (Wordpad, Notepad and so on) in OPW. > I guess this is yesterdays battle though because now everyone has a > Unicode font manager and they support a lot of glyphs. As long as a program supports it too and as long as fonts are used with enough characters! Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:47:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CVsvl-00057e-R8-00058I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:47:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CVsvl-00057e-R8; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:43:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVsvl-00057e-R8; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:43:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CVsvl-00051p-8K; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:43:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVsvO-00037n-HF; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:42:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iALEgNE20069 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:42:23 GMT Received: from mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iALEgMF20065 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:42:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041121144216.YZBF1968.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:42:16 +0000 Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041121144216.DQYK2076.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:42:16 +0000 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:42:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTPFesrMMUOnCS/SfCjQUKZsqA8FwAwgMuQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041121144216.DQYK2076.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,IN_REP_TO, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: 20 November 2004 15:29 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette >Since updating to the latest version of OP for Windows I've found the >style palette applet no longer works. Has anyone else had this problem? What's the date on the version you have? (Help->About). 2.75 4th November Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:47:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CW1Om-0003BE-3N-0003DU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:47:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CW1Om-0003BE-3N; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CW1Om-0003BE-3N; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CW1Ol-0007fq-Qa; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CW1OW-0001Nt-DV; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iALNj9g20995 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iALNj9u20991 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 212-229-247-20.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.247.20] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CW1OF-000BRY-MX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:09 +0000 Message-ID: <002601c4d024$6e211b40$14f7e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <20041121144216.DQYK2076.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:39:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >Since updating to the latest version of OP for Windows I've found the > >style palette applet no longer works. Has anyone else had this problem? > What's the date on the version you have? (Help->About). > 2.75 4th November Hmm. when I tried the StylePalette (admittedly on the 16th Nov. version) it did work, but when it first appeared it was in the bottom left hand corner, perhaps I would not have spotted it if the task bar had been in the way. I can see this ending up with, locate the script file that contains all the applet settings and hack out the style palette ones - not good. I presume when you say it doesn't work, it just isn't appearing? David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:47:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CW1P3-0004fO-MB-0004gK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:47:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CW1P3-0004fO-MB; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CW1P3-0004fO-MB; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CW1P3-00000V-Kn; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CW1OW-0005I1-Az; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iALNj8h20984 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:08 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iALNj7x20980 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 212-229-247-20.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.247.20] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CW1OE-000BRY-LZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:45:07 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c4d024$6d5bf680$14f7e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <4d10d2b23dpaul@delink.nl> <2YV$apC3F3nBFwRc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <001601c4cfc2$0892a5d0$6502a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Little mistake in THe applet -- minus etc Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:35:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > 8 bit Windows, I think you mean a windows TrueType font of 256 characters. The fundamental limit is what is in the font. If the font doesn't contain the glyphs then you're not going to be able to display them. In olden days 8 bits were used for each character sent to the font manager. That limits one to 256 glyphs at a time. You can get around that by using different 'code pages', however realistically you're going to stick to one code page. So when I say '8 bit Windows' I mean driving the font manager with 8 bits per character and keeping to one code page. With Unicode 16 bits are used, giving 65,000 possible glyphs with no code pages involved. You need the fonts, and you need Unicode support to get complete results. Unicode support in Windows 95, 98 and ME is only partial and often doesn't work correctly. However I believe I have programmed around these problems. > .... as long as you use a font, that contains all the glyphs, this is also > true for other Windows OS versions. > Even in W98. The font manager supports this part of Unicode fontmanagement. Yes things will work with other versions of Windows. I didn't mean to imply they won't. What I meant was that if I was going to sit down in front of a computer and expect things to work immediately I'd pick one with XP installed. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:48:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWAhD-0007KH-4C-0007LS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:48:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWAhD-0007KH-4C; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:41:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWAhD-0007KH-4C; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:41:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWAhF-0000a5-0t; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:41:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWAgp-0004nx-E5; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:40:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAM9ebD21318 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:40:37 GMT Received: from mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAM9eaZ21314 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:40:36 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122094032.RCFY3998.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:40:32 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.9.213.119]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122094032.RRAG1113.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@Iyonix> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:40:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:41:01 GMT From: Alan Leighton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Captitals to low case Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi In Impression you can use Ctrl+S to change the case of letters. Say from a sentence in low case to capitals. Does OP do this as I cant find it in the manual. Alan 8-) -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton DD BD MCIM Dean of Academic Studies St Augustine Theological Seminary Priory Lodge, Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:48:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWAv0-0000ri-RK-0000sl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:48:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWAv0-0000ri-RK; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWAv0-0000ri-RK; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWAv0-0004AH-8i; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWAul-0005jc-6O; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAM9t7K25608 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:07 GMT Received: from mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAM9t5P25584 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122095504.DSSL8585.mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:04 +0000 Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122095504.DYLC21208.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:04 +0000 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:54:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTQJEUajEcxZ0zLQ4GYqpZfZiQP7QAVKgfA In-Reply-To: <002601c4d024$6e211b40$14f7e5d4@mypc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041122095504.DYLC21208.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,IN_REP_TO, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: 21 November 2004 23:40 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette > >Since updating to the latest version of OP for Windows I've found the > >style palette applet no longer works. Has anyone else had this problem? > What's the date on the version you have? (Help->About). > 2.75 4th November I presume when you say it doesn't work, it just isn't appearing? That's correct. The icon appears in the toolbar and StylePal is ticked in the applets drop-down menu. I minimised the OP window to check if it was being positioned in an odd place but there was no sign of the SP window. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:48:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWAvd-0000ua-FT-00010I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:48:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWAvd-0000ua-FT; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:56:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWAvd-0000ua-FT; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:56:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWAvd-0003Fo-GR; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:56:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWAvL-0006DE-Vn; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAM9tq025802 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:52 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id iAM9tpi25796 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.143.169]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.6.0) with SMTP id KLA74787 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:55:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:56:29 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Captitals to low case Message-ID: <5c36c5114d.michael@talibard.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > Hi > > In Impression you can use Ctrl+S to change the case of letters. > Say from a sentence in low case to capitals. Does OP do this > as I cant find it in the manual. > > Alan 8-) > Yes, it does. Where a stretch of text already has some capitals, these will become lower case. That is unlikely to be what the user wants, and I have often wished that instead of just swapping lower case with upper, Ctrl-S would 'force' upper the first time and lower the next. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:48:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWB3Q-0006df-80-0006ee."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:48:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWB3Q-0006df-80; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:04:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWB3Q-0006df-80; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:04:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWB3P-0003xV-SY; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:04:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWB36-0001er-Qy; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:03:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMA3mq28992 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:03:48 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMA3lN28987 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:03:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWB2x-000EjM-DZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:03:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:59:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Captitals to low case Message-ID: <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 22 Nov, Alan Leighton wrote: > Hi > In Impression you can use Ctrl+S to change the case of letters. > Say from a sentence in low case to capitals. Does OP do this > as I cant find it in the manual. Ctrl-Shift-S -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:49:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWBFm-0006Vu-Hz-0006XN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:49:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWBFm-0006Vu-Hz; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWBFm-0006Vu-Hz; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWBFm-0001Te-D5; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWBFP-0008GQ-RM; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:16:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMA9Ux30535 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:09:30 GMT Received: from mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMA9EG30445 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:09:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122100906.EACT1121.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:09:06 +0000 Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122100905.JXCH1092.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:09:05 +0000 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTQJEUajEcxZ0zLQ4GYqpZfZiQP7QAVoqgA In-Reply-To: <002601c4d024$6e211b40$14f7e5d4@mypc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041122100905.JXCH1092.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,IN_REP_TO, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: 21 November 2004 23:40 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette > >Since updating to the latest version of OP for Windows I've found the > >style palette applet no longer works. Has anyone else had this problem? > What's the date on the version you have? (Help->About). > 2.75 4th November Hmm. when I tried the StylePalette (admittedly on the 16th Nov. version) it did work, but when it first appeared it was in the bottom left hand corner, perhaps I would not have spotted it if the task bar had been in the way. I can see this ending up with, locate the script file that contains all the applet settings and hack out the style palette ones - not good. I presume when you say it doesn't work, it just isn't appearing? David Pilling Problem now solved - the SP window was lurking behind the task bar. Now having moved it to the desired position OP remembers it between sessions and appears correctly each time. Thanks very much for your help. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:50:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWBFy-00049j-Sp-0004B2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:50:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWBFy-00049j-Sp; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWBFy-00049j-Sp; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWBFy-0005du-G7; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWBFn-0003sV-H4; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMAFB331898 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:15:11 GMT Received: from mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMAF0X31846 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:15:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122101454.EOKW1121.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:14:54 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.9.213.119]) by aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122101454.GPAD20377.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@Iyonix> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:14:54 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:13:51 GMT From: Alan Leighton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Captitals to low case Message-ID: <50cdc6114d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On 22 Nov, Alan Leighton wrote: > > Hi > > > In Impression you can use Ctrl+S to change the case of letters. > > Say from a sentence in low case to capitals. Does OP do this > > as I cant find it in the manual. > Ctrl-Shift-S > Thank you kind sir. Alan -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton DD BD MCIM Dean of Academic Studies St Augustine Theological Seminary Priory Lodge, Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:50:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWBG1-0002gP-E5-0002hG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:50:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWBG1-0002gP-E5; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWBG1-0002gP-E5; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWBG1-0000wx-2c; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWBFk-0003jz-J6; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMACrM31349 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:12:53 GMT Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMACj331313 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:12:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.225.28]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:13:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:11:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Captitals to low case Message-ID: <4d11c69d8bIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2004 10:13:04.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAD0FA60:01C4D07B] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > On 22 Nov, Alan Leighton wrote: > > In Impression you can use Ctrl+S to change the case of letters. Say > > from a sentence in low case to capitals. Does OP do this as I cant > > find it in the manual. > Ctrl-Shift-S Depends, there is a macro called ImpKeys which maps Ctrl+S to Ctrl-Shift-S. On the CD it's in DavidPilling.Extras.Macros. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 17:50:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWBGD-0002JD-7t-0002KJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:50:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWBGD-0002JD-7t; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWBGD-0002JD-7t; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWBGD-00016s-2P; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWBFr-0003ru-8K; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:17:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMADe531532 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:13:40 GMT Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMADTG31471 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:13:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.159.101.224] (helo=barryrpc) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CWBC5-0008pC-TB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:13:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:12:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Captitals to low case Message-ID: <4d11c6b8a5barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > On 22 Nov, Alan Leighton wrote: > > Hi > > In Impression you can use Ctrl+S to change the case of letters. > > Say from a sentence in low case to capitals. Does OP do this > > as I cant find it in the manual. > Ctrl-Shift-S I think that there is an Applet which changes all the key bindings to Impression style. I use CTRL "S" to swap case with Ovation. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:14:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWEHk-0003bG-RS-0003cq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:14:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWEHk-0003bG-RS; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:31:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWEHk-0003bG-RS; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:31:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWEHk-0000WC-9E; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:31:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWEHR-0007Vj-2q; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:30:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMDUgf04470 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:30:42 GMT Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-07.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.27]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMDUfv04466 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:30:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (194.230.225.105) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.0.036) id 418AB7DA00126CEE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:30:41 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:28:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Captitals to low case To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon 22 Nov, Alan Leighton wrote: > > Hi > > In Impression you can use Ctrl+S to change the case of letters. > Say from a sentence in low case to capitals. Does OP do this > as I cant find it in the manual. > > Alan 8-) The manual page 270 states that you then use: CS_S If you add the two following lines to the !Macros file: defmacro(1,"C_S","{'CS_S}",""); defmacro(1,"CS_S","{checkstory(0)}",""); you can use Ctrl+S as is used by Fireworkz, PipeDream (actually C_SS), Organizer, Personal4 and as you state by Impression. Another way is by editing the !Macros file as follows: Open an OvPro document on screen. Then from the main window: Menu > Misc > Macros... This opens the Macros window Click on "Key", then on "New... Press Ctrl+S, then on OK Then at the caret type: {'CS_S} Right-Click on OK, then left-click on "Save". Follow the same procedure for the second key to enter. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:14:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWEKQ-0007Fb-Gg-0007Gf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:14:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWEKQ-0007Fb-Gg; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:34:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWEKQ-0007Fb-Gg; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:34:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWEKP-0002F1-Vh; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:34:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWEJz-0005ze-8T; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:33:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMDXU705438 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:33:30 GMT Received: from mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMDXTe05434 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:33:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122133325.XMFF1121.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:33:25 +0000 Received: from pickwick ([82.0.185.71]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122133324.JHUU1113.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@pickwick> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:33:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:26:42 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: printing Message-ID: <9946920a4d.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d0a337d62mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <007301c4c539$7adabda0$7af8e5d4@mypc> In-Reply-To: <007301c4c539$7adabda0$7af8e5d4@mypc> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi In message <007301c4c539$7adabda0$7af8e5d4@mypc> "David Pilling" wrote: [snip] > You may be able to fiddle things, for example if you turn on 'collate' > you'll force OP to print each page N times > rather than telling RISC OS it wants N copies of each page. > > However I don't see why this would go wrong. > > > David Pilling > If I have 'Collate' ON then no matter how many copies I specify the Postscript file has '1 Copies' but 'Collate' Of gives the correct number in the PS file (Printers 1.64a, PS Level 2) Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:15:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWERs-00074f-54-00075e."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:15:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWERs-00074f-54; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:41:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWERs-00074f-54; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:41:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWERs-0006iU-Bb; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:41:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWERW-0000Sb-5N; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:41:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMDfF008096 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:41:15 GMT Received: from mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMDfEo08091 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:41:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122134114.ZRTF8585.mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:41:14 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.9.213.119]) by aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122134114.UAFP20377.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@Iyonix> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:41:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:41:46 GMT From: Alan Leighton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Captitals to low case Message-ID: <89d6d9114d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > On Mon 22 Nov, Alan Leighton wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > In Impression you can use Ctrl+S to change the case of letters. > > Say from a sentence in low case to capitals. Does OP do this > > as I cant find it in the manual. > > > > Alan 8-) > > The manual page 270 states that you then use: CS_S > > If you add the two following lines to the !Macros file: > > defmacro(1,"C_S","{'CS_S}",""); > defmacro(1,"CS_S","{checkstory(0)}",""); > > you can use Ctrl+S as is used by Fireworkz, PipeDream (actually C_SS), > Organizer, Personal4 and as you state by Impression. > > Another way is by editing the !Macros file as follows: > > Open an OvPro document on screen. Then from the main window: > > Menu > Misc > Macros... > > > This opens the Macros window > > Click on "Key", then on "New... > > Press Ctrl+S, then on OK > > Then at the caret type: {'CS_S} > > Right-Click on OK, then left-click on "Save". > > Follow the same procedure for the second key to enter. > Well JohnvV you certainly go the other mile! I will have a go at this but it all seems a bit scary. Blessings Alan > > -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton DD BD MCIM Dean of Academic Studies St Augustine Theological Seminary Priory Lodge, Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:16:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWFDC-0004Xl-LI-0004Yg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:16:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWFDC-0004Xl-LI; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:30:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWFDC-0004Xl-LI; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:30:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWFDB-0002aZ-Vp; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:30:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWFCz-0004CG-BS; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:30:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMEUIi25203 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:30:18 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMEUIM25199 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:30:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CWFCr-0005zs-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:30:17 +0100 Received: from [62.180.24.46] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CWFCp-0005bu-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:30:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:29:39 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. Message-ID: <8438de114d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > > Yep - replaced the old file with an identical-sized white sprite > > > (i.e. 24MB).... and the new file STILL crashes OPro. > > > > Certain inevitability about this, it appears to be a high bit memory > > problem... > > Aha, true, I see the problem with the seventh copy of OP using a 24MB > sprite in an AW file. The crash occurs in GSpriteExtend, so OP is > exonerated. It seems that GSpriteExtend 0.70 has problems rendering > sprites from high addresses. > > Actually, it is still possible that GSpriteExtend is OK and the crash is > caused by AWRender passing an invalid address to GSpriteExtend - in any > case, it is a problem somewhere in the ArtWorks rendering modules. After further investigation it became apparent that it is indeed a GSpriteExtend problem. It is not actually related to the sprite itself being in high memory but to the colour processing tables being in high memory. The colour processing tables are stored inside each sprite object in the ArtWorks document. They are relatively small, so a future version of AWRender could move them to low memory if it finds them to be in high memory. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:18:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWFkR-0003nS-43-0003oY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:18:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWFkR-0003nS-43; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:05:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWFkR-0003nS-43; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:04:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWFkR-0006Vi-0h; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:04:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWFjs-00049s-SM; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:04:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMF43504745 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:04:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMF43E04741 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:04:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWFjU-00046o-9P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:04:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:02:40 GMT From: Jeremy Roberts To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro crashes with Artworks imports. Message-ID: <413ee1114d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <08b3440c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <5Ao8MCCOA$kBFwop@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8bd3660c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <7e289a0c4d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <685dc90c4d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <9fjN70GlJRlBFwhV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <8438de114d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <8438de114d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8438de114d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> you wrote: > In message <9528300f4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > In message > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > Yep - replaced the old file with an identical-sized white sprite > > > > (i.e. 24MB).... and the new file STILL crashes OPro. > > > > > > Certain inevitability about this, it appears to be a high bit memory > > > problem... > > > > Aha, true, I see the problem with the seventh copy of OP using a 24MB > > sprite in an AW file. The crash occurs in GSpriteExtend, so OP is > > exonerated. It seems that GSpriteExtend 0.70 has problems rendering > > sprites from high addresses. > > > > Actually, it is still possible that GSpriteExtend is OK and the crash is > > caused by AWRender passing an invalid address to GSpriteExtend - in any > > case, it is a problem somewhere in the ArtWorks rendering modules. > > After further investigation it became apparent that it is indeed a > GSpriteExtend problem. It is not actually related to the sprite itself > being in high memory but to the colour processing tables being in high > memory. The colour processing tables are stored inside each sprite object > in the ArtWorks document. They are relatively small, so a future version > of AWRender could move them to low memory if it finds them to be in high > memory. > > Martin Thank you for your continued exploration of this 'problem' - which I originally raised, Martin. ATB, Jeremy R. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Now THAT's computing - simple - elegant - productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:22:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWIQz-0006Qw-4I-0006Rd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:22:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWIQz-0006Qw-4I; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:57:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWIQz-0006Qw-4I; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:57:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWIQy-0005n3-Vs; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:57:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWIQf-0002Q1-6Q; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:56:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMHuTB28772 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:56:29 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMHuT528765 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:56:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CWIQO-0003ab-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:56:28 +0100 Received: from [62.180.24.46] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CWFH5-0006fV-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:34:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:34:28 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: printing Message-ID: <72a9de114d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d0a337d62mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <9946920a4d.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9946920a4d.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <9946920a4d.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> colinc@argonet.co.uk wrote: > In message <007301c4c539$7adabda0$7af8e5d4@mypc> > "David Pilling" wrote: > > [snip] > > You may be able to fiddle things, for example if you turn on 'collate' > > you'll force OP to print each page N times > > rather than telling RISC OS it wants N copies of each page. > > > > However I don't see why this would go wrong. > > If I have 'Collate' ON then no matter how many copies I specify the > Postscript file has '1 Copies' but 'Collate' Of gives the correct number > in the PS file (Printers 1.64a, PS Level 2) Of course, that is precisely as intended. If you switch "Collate" ON, then OvationPro does not tell the printer driver to print multiple copies. Instead, it simply prints the page several times itself, which leads to several instances of "1 Copies" in the PostScript file (one for each copy you want), instead of a single instance of "N Copies" (where N is the number of copies you want). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:22:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWJY1-0002Sg-8v-0002TV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:22:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWJY1-0002Sg-8v; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:08:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWJY1-0002Sg-8v; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:08:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWJY1-0003aJ-H4; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:08:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWJXV-0003ic-MR; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:07:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMJ7da18934 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:07:39 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMJ7cK18927 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:07:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from user-5197.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.76.20.77] helo=rpc) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CWJXG-0007If-3v for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:07:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:02:20 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: printing Message-ID: References: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d0a337d62mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <9946920a4d.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9946920a4d.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <9946920a4d.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi > > In message <007301c4c539$7adabda0$7af8e5d4@mypc> > "David Pilling" wrote: > > [snip] > > You may be able to fiddle things, for example if you turn on 'collate' > > you'll force OP to print each page N times > > rather than telling RISC OS it wants N copies of each page. > > > > However I don't see why this would go wrong. > > > > > > David Pilling > > > If I have 'Collate' ON then no matter how many copies I specify the > Postscript file has '1 Copies' but 'Collate' Of gives the correct number in > the PS file (Printers 1.64a, PS Level 2) > > Colin > Example: two page document What I would expect is with Collate on, the print file will contain two copies of each page, each printed with '1 copies' With collate off, the file should contain a copy of page 1 with '2 copies' followed by page two with '2 copies'. Collate on should print page1, page2, page1, page2, while collate off produces page1, page1, page2, page2. The latter can use the printers 'copies' feature. The former cannot. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:27:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWKcG-0001hK-Le-0001iU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:27:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWKcG-0001hK-Le; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:16:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWKcG-0001hK-Le; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:16:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWKcG-00029J-Fy; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:16:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWKbn-0003hi-5u; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:16:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAMKGAn14472 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:16:10 GMT Received: from mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAMKG9c14468 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:16:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122201605.MEVY8585.mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:16:05 +0000 Received: from pickwick ([82.0.185.71]) by aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041122201604.ZGDA1092.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@pickwick> for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:16:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:12:21 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: printing Message-ID: References: <789a2f0a4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4d0a337d62mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <9946920a4d.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) [snip lucid explanations by Martin Wuerthner and Alan Adams] Ah, now I see. Thank you. Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:27:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWOlF-00045r-MC-00046B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:27:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWOlF-00045r-MC; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:42:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWOlF-00045r-MC; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:42:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWOlF-0001YK-M6; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:42:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWOko-0006lA-FM; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:41:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAN0fd904449 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:41:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAN0fdK04443 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:41:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWOkZ-000CGb-4P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:41:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:24:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Captitals to low case Message-ID: <4d1214a986Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5c36c5114d.michael@talibard.com> References: <5c36c5114d.michael@talibard.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5c36c5114d.michael@talibard.com>, michael talibard wrote: > Where a stretch of text already has some capitals, these will become > lower case. That is unlikely to be what the user wants, and I have > often wished that instead of just swapping lower case with upper, > Ctrl-S would 'force' upper the first time and lower the next. The problem with that is that the program that changes the characters' case then needs to know that it is manipulating text that it itself has previously manipulated and keep track of what it did last time. Really you'd need three separate functions: swap case, force low, force high - and get the user to choose which action they want to apply. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:27:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWVpG-0000my-Jn-0000nw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:27:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWVpG-0000my-Jn; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:15:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWVpG-0000my-Jn; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:15:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWVpF-0007m7-TQ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:15:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWVos-0007r0-Tb; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:14:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAN8EHg12020 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:14:17 GMT Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAN8EGW12015 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:14:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-164-253.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.253] helo=HOBBIT) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CWVoW-000Mco-6d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:14:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:14:10 GMT From: roger darlington To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Captitals to low case Message-ID: <1fae3f124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <5c36c5114d.michael@talibard.com> <4d1214a986Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d1214a986Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 23 Nov 2004, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <5c36c5114d.michael@talibard.com>, > michael talibard wrote: > > > Where a stretch of text already has some capitals, these will become > > lower case. That is unlikely to be what the user wants, and I have > > often wished that instead of just swapping lower case with upper, > > Ctrl-S would 'force' upper the first time and lower the next. > > The problem with that is that the program that changes the characters' > case then needs to know that it is manipulating text that it itself has > previously manipulated and keep track of what it did last time. > > Really you'd need three separate functions: swap case, force low, force > high - and get the user to choose which action they want to apply. > So that'll be Shift-S (the upper key of Shift & CTRL) for Upper case Shift-CTRL (the lower of Shift & CTRL) Lower case and Shift-CTRL-S (both upper & lower keys) for Swap case then? Can it be done? Has anyone done it? Can !HID do it (for all apps). -- Cheers Roger Bury Walkers http://burywalkers.members.beeb.net/ Atomic Software http://rogerdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Summer Winers http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ Einstein? He was so much older then, he's younger than that now. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:27:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWW5h-0002IR-CB-0002J2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:27:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWW5h-0002IR-CB; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:32:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWW5h-0002IR-CB; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:32:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWW5h-0006gM-Hi; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:32:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWW5J-0001Vz-IQ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:31:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAN8VSg15113 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:31:28 GMT Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAN8VRm15107 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:31:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-164-253.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.253] helo=HOBBIT) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CWW59-000NBb-8F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:31:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:31:25 GMT From: roger darlington To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OPro images locked aren't??!!?? Message-ID: <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,PLING_QUERY,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) OPro 2.75, Iyonix, RO 5.08 Drop a Sprite into an open OPro doc. Now try to physically move the whole frame - it says its locked. OK - so treble click on image - a 'modify picture' comes up, which has the 'No Lock' already selected. So the image isn't locked, yet it wont move!!! OK - so try 'Modify Object' instead f 'modify picture' That has the 'Lock' box un-ticked - it isn't locked, yet it still wont move!!! Why are pictures everything glued down permanently with super-glue? -- Cheers Roger Bury Walkers http://burywalkers.members.beeb.net/ Atomic Software http://rogerdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Summer Winers http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:28:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWWHA-0006ai-8j-0006bF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:28:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWWHA-0006ai-8j; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:43:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWWHA-0006ai-8j; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:43:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWWHA-0005Vo-Gx; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:43:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWWGv-0000gv-BN; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:43:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAN8hVA17063 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:43:31 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (B.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAN8hUm17060 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:43:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWXCs-00023x-5o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:43:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:43:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro images locked aren't??!!?? Message-ID: <4d124255c7gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,PLING_QUERY,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, roger darlington wrote: > OPro 2.75, Iyonix, RO 5.08 > Drop a Sprite into an open OPro doc. > Now try to physically move the whole frame - it says its locked. > OK - so treble click on image - a 'modify picture' comes up, which has > the 'No Lock' already selected. > So the image isn't locked, yet it wont move!!! > OK - so try 'Modify Object' instead f 'modify picture' > That has the 'Lock' box un-ticked - it isn't locked, yet it still wont > move!!! > Why are pictures everything glued down permanently with super-glue? It sounds like you are dropping the sprite over a text frame, so the picture is being created in an embedded frame. Try creating an empty frame first, then drop the sprite into that. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:28:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWWM0-0001rq-9Z-0001sV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:28:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWWM0-0001rq-9Z; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:48:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWWM0-0001rq-9Z; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:48:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWWM0-0003VW-NS; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:48:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWWLr-0002qY-80; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:48:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAN8mbV18134 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:48:37 GMT Received: from mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAN8maZ18129 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:48:36 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041123084832.UXBV540.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:48:32 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([81.100.203.215]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041123084832.VCUA2076.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:48:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:48:11 GMT From: JayCee To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro images locked aren't??!!?? Message-ID: <4ecb42124d.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PLING_QUERY, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> you wrote: > OPro 2.75, Iyonix, RO 5.08 > > Drop a Sprite into an open OPro doc. > > Now try to physically move the whole frame - it says its locked. > > OK - so treble click on image - a 'modify picture' comes up, which has > the 'No Lock' already selected. > > So the image isn't locked, yet it wont move!!! > > OK - so try 'Modify Object' instead f 'modify picture' > That has the 'Lock' box un-ticked - it isn't locked, yet it still wont > move!!! > > Why are pictures everything glued down permanently with super-glue? > > FWIW I have just tried this and can move and manipulate the frame just like any other. RISCOS 5.08 OvPro 2.75 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:29:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWXAn-0007Ya-7U-0007ZD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:29:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWXAn-0007Ya-7U; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:41:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWXAn-0007Ya-7U; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:41:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWXAm-0005Fn-Eu; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:41:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWXAI-00088N-SN; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:40:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAN9eeN08475 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:40:40 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAN9edJ08470 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:40:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CWXA7-00061Q-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:40:39 +0100 Received: from [62.180.24.113] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CWXA6-0008IP-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:40:39 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:39:38 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro images locked aren't??!!?? Message-ID: <618147124d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,IN_REP_TO,PLING_QUERY, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> roger darlington wrote: > OPro 2.75, Iyonix, RO 5.08 > > Drop a Sprite into an open OPro doc. > > Now try to physically move the whole frame - it says its locked. Yes, because YOU told OPro to position the image itself and that you will not want to positiong it manually. That was part of the deal of dropping the picture in a frame with a text flow rather than creating a dedicated frame for it that you can control yourself. > OK - so treble click on image - a 'modify picture' comes up, which has > the 'No Lock' already selected. Entirely different "lock" option. > So the image isn't locked, yet it wont move!!! It does. Inside the frame, which is what the abovementioned "Lock" option is for. > OK - so try 'Modify Object' instead f 'modify picture' > That has the 'Lock' box un-ticked - it isn't locked, yet it still wont > move!!! > > Why are pictures everything glued down permanently with super-glue? The exact opposite is the case. The picture is floating as part of the text story. When you dropped the picture in, you might have noticed the caret appearing right after it. If it is not there, click somewhere to the right of the image. Now press the left arrow key and type a few characters. Do you see how the picture moves? And that even without you having to move it. Maybe a quick peek at the rather nice OPro manual would not do any harm? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:30:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWY0I-0001af-OW-0001cp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:30:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWY0I-0001af-OW; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:34:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWY0I-0001af-OW; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:34:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWY0I-0000Yq-7X; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:34:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWXzS-0007ge-Sn; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:33:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANAXQS30007 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:33:26 GMT Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANAXQP29999 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:33:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from adsl-164-253.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.253] helo=HOBBIT) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CWXzB-0002qb-9O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:33:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:33:25 GMT From: roger darlington To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro images locked aren't??!!?? Message-ID: <086e4c124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4d124255c7gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d124255c7gav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PLING_QUERY, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 23 Nov 2004, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, > roger darlington wrote: > > OPro 2.75, Iyonix, RO 5.08 > > > Drop a Sprite into an open OPro doc. > > > Now try to physically move the whole frame - it says its locked. > > > OK - so treble click on image - a 'modify picture' comes up, which has > > the 'No Lock' already selected. > > > So the image isn't locked, yet it wont move!!! > > > OK - so try 'Modify Object' instead f 'modify picture' > > That has the 'Lock' box un-ticked - it isn't locked, yet it still wont > > move!!! > > > Why are pictures everything glued down permanently with super-glue? > > It sounds like you are dropping the sprite over a text frame, so the > picture is being created in an embedded frame. Try creating an empty > frame first, then drop the sprite into that. > Yes Gavin, - you are right. It's so long since I used Opro for piccies. I was using it like !Draw, but you're right, you can't just drop piccies into a text frame and move them around at will. Yes Martin, maybe a quick re-look at the 8-year old manual is required. But has Opro been updated with new functions in the intervening period? -- Cheers Roger Bury Walkers http://burywalkers.members.beeb.net/ Atomic Software http://rogerdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Summer Winers http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ I remember it well, I've never been there before -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:36:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWbhJ-0002ng-Gw-0002pP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:36:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWbhJ-0002ng-Gw; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:31:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWbhJ-0002ng-Gw; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:31:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWbhI-0003m7-S4; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:31:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWbgU-0004Jw-Ht; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:30:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANETsl10267 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:29:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANETrm10259 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:29:53 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWbg0-000JXe-B4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:29:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:30:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] referenced files in DDL Message-ID: <4d125c9c6fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I know it's possible to include a picture in a document by specifying something like: PICTURE_117={picture {reference ".Spriteg"} } in the DDL. Is there a way to embed a piece of text? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:36:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWbvt-0007Cw-HO-0007F2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:36:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWbvt-0007Cw-HO; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:46:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWbvt-0007Cw-HO; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:46:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWbvt-0006hU-44; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:46:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWbvS-0001a5-Jx; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:45:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANEjhi15744 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:45:43 GMT Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANEjhK15739 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:45:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bb-195-172-55-213.ukonline.co.uk ([195.172.55.213] helo=nails.norbins) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CWbvF-0009hZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:45:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:42:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Nagel Subject: [softwarelist] HTML export from OPro To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: speaking for myself X-Return-Rcpt-To: jim@abbeypress.net X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) what's the state of play for generating HTML pages from an OPro document? havent seen any mention of the topic on this maillist. is Heyrick still our man? -- Jim Nagel -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:36:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWdBF-00007a-NG-00008Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:36:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWdBF-00007a-NG; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:06:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWdBF-00007a-NG; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:06:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWdBE-0007iU-MM; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:06:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWdAk-0002G5-QB; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:05:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANG5NM17824 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:05:23 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANG5N117818 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:05:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWdA6-000KjS-Go for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:05:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:02:58 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] referenced files in DDL Message-ID: References: <4d125c9c6fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d125c9c6fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 23 Nov, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > I know it's possible to include a picture in a document by specifying > something like: > > PICTURE_117={picture > {reference ".Spriteg"} > } > > in the DDL. Is there a way to embed a piece of text? > Many thanks. I had been looking for a way to handle large logos without using big space per document. It took me a while to find my original Ovation disc and the manual. But I got there and am, for a few moments at least, a very happy bunny. Trust you get your problem solved! -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:36:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWds0-0006np-LJ-0006ok."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:36:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWds0-0006np-LJ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:50:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWds0-0006np-LJ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:50:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWds0-0002D0-4X; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:50:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWdre-0003Te-KR; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:50:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANGnoQ09475 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:49:50 GMT Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANGnnH09469 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:49:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bb-195-172-55-213.ukonline.co.uk ([195.172.55.213] helo=nails.norbins) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CWdrN-0007Qt-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:49:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:45:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Nagel Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro images locked aren't??!!?? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <618147124d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: speaking for myself X-Return-Rcpt-To: jim@abbeypress.net X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PLING_QUERY, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue 23 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > [snip] > Maybe a quick peek at the rather nice OPro manual would not do any harm? now, now, Martin. that's the closest we've ever heard you come to being even slightly the teeensiest bit something-or-other. ;=} -- Jim Nagel -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:37:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWfEB-0002vS-52-0002yP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:37:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWfEB-0002vS-52; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:17:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWfEB-0002vS-52; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:17:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWfEA-0002As-Vx; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:17:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWfDj-0002y3-Sf; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:16:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANIGd108755 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:16:39 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANIGb308744 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:16:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.131.213] (helo=62.188.131.213) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CWf7k-000410-UQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:10:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:58:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Capitals to low case Message-ID: <4d125f38c9pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d11c582a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > On 22 Nov, Alan Leighton wrote: > > Hi > > In Impression you can use Ctrl+S to change the case of letters. > > Say from a sentence in low case to capitals. Does OP do this > > as I cant find it in the manual. > Ctrl-Shift-S I can also do this from the button bar. Document menu > misc > macros. This brings up a window containing all the macros defined, with their button bar icons where these exist. Scroll down, and fairly near the bottom of the list you should find 'swapcase', with an icon with upper and lower case 'a' under a double-ended arrow. Tick the box at the end of this line, and then 'save' at the bottom of the macros window, and it'll appear on the button bar (perhaps the next time you run OPro, I forget). It swaps case at the caret, but doesn't go on doing this to the right as long as the button is 'held down', as the keypress does. HTH, Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:37:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWfGj-0002Pg-M4-0002Qa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:37:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWfGj-0002Pg-M4; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:20:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWfGj-0002Pg-M4; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:20:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWfGj-0003bD-Jd; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:20:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWfGQ-0003jN-6f; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:19:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANIJai09567 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:19:36 GMT Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-05.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.26]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANIJaQ09560 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:19:36 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (194.230.225.37) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.0.036) id 418ABA05001F06CE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:19:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:17:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro images locked aren't??!!?? To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <618147124d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PLING_QUERY, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue 23 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > In message <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> > roger darlington wrote: > > > OPro 2.75, Iyonix, RO 5.08 > > > > Drop a Sprite into an open OPro doc. > > > > Now try to physically move the whole frame - it says its locked. [snip most of the rest] > > Maybe a quick peek at the rather nice OPro manual would not do any harm? > Aware of the high standards you set yourself, rather a nice compliment to the authors of the *latest* manual. Thank you! But then, Roger Darlington seems not to be aware of David Pilling's and my efforts for the Manual version 2 dated Anno 2000/2001. Nor of David Pillings efforts to create a new version of OvPro, released in 2001. If he has OvPro version2.75, he must also have this manual as it was on the CD with version 2.70. And will then easily discover that OvPro from 8 years ago has come a long way. With loads of new functions. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 18:47:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWfeY-0005kF-5Z-0005lM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:47:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWfeY-0005kF-5Z; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:44:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWfeY-0005kF-5Z; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:44:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWfeY-0000Vd-B3; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:44:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWfeF-0008B8-Vp; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:44:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANIi9i23450 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:44:09 GMT Received: from smtp1.global.net.uk (smtp1.global.net.uk [80.189.94.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANIi9223444 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:44:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 243.215.adsl.brightview.com ([80.189.215.243] helo=RTV) by smtp1.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1CWfe4-0004kg-IZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:44:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:40:02 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] HTML export from OPro Message-ID: <4D1278FAFC%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Authenticated-Sender: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article Jim Nagel wrote: > what's the state of play for generating HTML pages > from an OPro document? havent seen any mention > of the topic on this maillist. is Heyrick still our man? He is, but there doesn't seem to have been an uodate since Oct 2003. http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html -- Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. Wernher von Braun __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:27:52 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWgCx-00035j-I1; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:20:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWgCx-00035j-I1; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:20:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWgCx-0005xJ-Bs; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:20:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWgCS-0001rI-Iu; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:19:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANJJWU01548 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:19:32 GMT Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-06.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANJJVh01545 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:19:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (194.230.225.243) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.0.036) id 418AB7EB0013FA2E for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:19:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:16:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] referenced files in DDL To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I probably missed the origin of the following, but... On Tue 23 Nov, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > In message of 23 Nov, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > I know it's possible to include a picture in a document by specifying > > something like: > > > > PICTURE_117={picture > > {reference ".Spriteg"} > > } > > > > in the DDL. Is there a way to embed a piece of text? > > What follows does not use the DDL file but the original document. At times this (=embed a piece of text) can be useful to add text next to a picture also embedded in the text. I use the following procedure: Using Edit I create the text I want, then save this in Draw. Then Check within Draw (by exporting to Edit once more) that the font is used I want (see the manaul for Draw how to handle text within Draw). I then drag the Draw picture to the exact spot -pin-pointed by the mouse pointer- where I want to imbed it in the OvPro text. One can then resize the imported Draw-Text window to suit and move the text within the embedded text window. The font size will follow. The text layout (no. of lines etc., general layout, font used) cannot be changed in Ovpro. This must be done in Draw. [snip the rest] Hope this gives some -more- ideas ;-) JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 19:57:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWgkL-0000ij-8k-0000jN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:57:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWgkL-0000ij-8k; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:54:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWgkL-0000ij-8k; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:54:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWgkL-0002V1-Cp; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:54:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWgje-0006UX-MH; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:53:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANJrlp09351 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:53:47 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANJrlJ09348 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:53:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWgjS-000ELh-EO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:53:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:52:14 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro images locked aren't??!!?? References: <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <844241124d.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,PLING_QUERY,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Drop a Sprite into an open OPro doc. >Now try to physically move the whole frame - it says its locked. As others have said the problem is likely to be that the picture is embedded in a text flow. That will happen if the text frame is not empty *or* if it is auto linked, which the principal frame in the default document usually is. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 22:08:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWin2-0004s6-FW-0004sQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:08:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWin2-0004s6-FW; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:05:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWin2-0004s6-FW; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:05:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWin2-00003W-Kn; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:05:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWimk-0003d3-AD; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:05:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANM56q00728 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:05:06 GMT Received: from mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANM55x00722 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:05:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041123220501.QSWM22418.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:05:01 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20041123220500.HLYE1092.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:05:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:03:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] referenced files in DDL To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4d125c9c6fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Tue 23 Nov, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > I know it's possible to include a picture in a document by specifying > something like: > > PICTURE_117={picture > {reference ".Spriteg"} > } > > in the DDL. Is there a way to embed a piece of text? Are you trying to construct a DDL file to build an OPro document from a number of external text files or something? I presume you've already tried the equivalent: STORY_12c={story {reference "RAM::RamDisc0.$.Text"} {endoftext} } and found as I did that it doesn't bring the text in. I also tried import, include, text, file as alternatives to reference but they all produce the same error: "Unknown object creator at ". Is there full documentation of the DDL syntax outside the OPro executable? I couldn't find anything on the CD or the website. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 22:28:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWj0u-0002tw-3r-0002uP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:28:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWj0u-0002tw-3r; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:19:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWj0u-0002tw-3r; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:19:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWj0t-000624-SE; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:19:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWj0g-0008NE-W5; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:19:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANMJZg03137 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:19:35 GMT Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANMJY203134 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:19:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWj0Y-00051S-Ja for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:19:34 +0000 Message-ID: <8m9dVnLoc7oBFwK$@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:18:16 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] referenced files in DDL References: <4d125c9c6fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> in the DDL. Is there a way to embed a piece of text? No. You can't do the trick of having a piece of referenced text - one possible meaning. You also can't make DDL merge in a text file. Whatever is producing the DDL would have to convert the text file to DDL format. >Is there full documentation of the DDL syntax outside the OPro executable? I No. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 22:28:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWj26-00039e-Sb-0003AF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:28:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWj26-00039e-Sb; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:21:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWj26-00039e-Sb; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:21:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWj26-0000dV-GD; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:21:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWj1w-00063p-9m; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:21:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANMKt503384 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:20:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANMKtY03377 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:20:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWj1q-000MGo-Ca for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:20:55 +0000 Message-ID: <7WMcJ$Lvd7oBFwoI@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:19:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Windows OPro: Printers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Chris Howe Hi, I have just started using the windows version of OPro and when I go to print a document I only get a drop down menu for the first 3 printers that I have set up. Is there a way to get it to display all the printers I use (6) Chris -- Chris Howe (Chris@howedesigns.co.uk) StrongARM Risc PC700 running Risc OS4 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 22:38:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWjBx-0001iL-5d-0001is."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:38:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWjBx-0001iL-5d; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:31:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWjBx-0001iL-5d; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:31:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWjBx-00012w-I1; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:31:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWjBo-0001go-LQ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:31:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANMV7e05652 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:31:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANMV7e05647 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:31:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWjBh-000HJ1-8Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:31:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:30:02 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Windows OPro: Printers References: <7WMcJ$Lvd7oBFwoI@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7WMcJ$Lvd7oBFwoI@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >I have just started using the windows version of OPro and when I go to >print a document I only get a drop down menu for the first 3 printers >that I have set up. >Is there a way to get it to display all the printers I use (6) This is a problem that is sort of haunting me. There once was a bug which I fixed. But I suspect there are still problems. Can you tell me which version of Windows you're using (the 9X and NT lines list printers in different ways), and what is special about the printers that don't appear (or the ones that do)? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 23 23:48:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWkNI-0006D8-Cx-0006Dk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:48:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWkNI-0006D8-Cx; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:47:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWkNI-0006D8-Cx; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:47:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWkNH-0007Wi-Oj; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:47:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWkN3-0002wj-6b; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:46:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iANNkdY19137 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:46:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iANNkd719134 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:46:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWkMo-000B5L-FQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:46:38 +0000 Message-ID: <6nXM11QAu8oBFw7h@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:45:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette References: <002601c4d024$6e211b40$14f7e5d4@mypc> <20041122095504.DYLC21208.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> In-Reply-To: <20041122095504.DYLC21208.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >That's correct. The icon appears in the toolbar and StylePal is ticked in >the applets drop-down menu. I minimised the OP window to check if it was >being positioned in an odd place but there was no sign of the SP window. Which icon appears in the toolbar? If it is StylePal right click and see if you can maximise it. This is an unusual and interesting new effect. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 24 01:48:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWmEE-0004pr-PI-0004qO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:48:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWmEE-0004pr-PI; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:45:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWmEE-0004pr-PI; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:45:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWmEE-0007H9-Kz; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:45:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWmE0-0003Uj-8x; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:45:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAO1jQJ02370 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:45:26 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAO1jPu02367 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:45:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWmDj-000AZj-Cb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:45:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:43:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] referenced files in DDL Message-ID: <4d129fba96Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4d125c9c6fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > Are you trying to construct a DDL file to build an OPro document from > a number of external text files or something? Yes. > I presume you've already tried the equivalent: > STORY_12c={story > {reference "RAM::RamDisc0.$.Text"} > {endoftext} > } Actually I didn't try it because I assumed the reference support for pictures only came about as a consequence of proxy/reference treatment of images being implemented a while ago and didn't expect it would work for text too. > and found as I did that it doesn't bring the text in. Phew! I'd have looked so silly.... > Is there full documentation of the DDL syntax outside the OPro > executable? I couldn't find anything on the CD or the website. There's no doc anywhere as far as I know. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 24 13:59:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWxeZ-0003Nz-LJ-0003PA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:59:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWxeZ-0003Nz-LJ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:57:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWxeZ-0003Nz-LJ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:57:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWxeZ-0004Rk-AH; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:57:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWxeE-0001nb-8a; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:57:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAODupb26592 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:56:51 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAODupF26588 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:56:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CWxda-000HuG-BH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:56:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:55:43 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette References: <002601c4d024$6e211b40$14f7e5d4@mypc> <20041122095504.DYLC21208.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> <6nXM11QAu8oBFw7h@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6nXM11QAu8oBFw7h@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) If you really want to reboot the StylePalette, this information will help. > OPW has a mini registry that saves settings for applets. > > C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application > Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun.!Tags.csc > > Probably the easy way to reboot the style pal applet is to delete the > lines > > tagwrite(0,('s'<<24)|('t'<<16)|('y'<<8)|0,0x0,0); > tagwrite(0,('s'<<24)|('t'<<16)|('y'<<8)|0,0x414,1); > tagwrite(0,('s'<<24)|('t'<<16)|('y'<<8)|0,0x111,2); > > See the 'sty' in the alphabet soup - all lines with sty in. > whilst OPW is not running, and then run it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 24 16:00:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CWzSf-0004TE-Al-0004Tt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:00:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CWzSf-0004TE-Al; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:53:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWzSf-0004TE-Al; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:53:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CWzSf-0005FR-37; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:53:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CWzS8-0004iE-EX; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:53:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAOFq7001402 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:52:07 GMT Received: from mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAOFq6c01398 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:52:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041124155200.WYWU540.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:52:00 +0000 Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041124155159.ILMU1113.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:51:59 +0000 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:51:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcTRtudqtml4dr1wSxKsRv12VRzBIgAeO8jQ In-Reply-To: <6nXM11QAu8oBFw7h@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041124155159.ILMU1113.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,IN_REP_TO, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: 23 November 2004 23:45 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows - Style palette >That's correct. The icon appears in the toolbar and StylePal is ticked >in the applets drop-down menu. I minimised the OP window to check if it >was being positioned in an odd place but there was no sign of the SP window. Which icon appears in the toolbar? If it is StylePal right click and see if you can maximise it. This is an unusual and interesting new effect. To summarise the problem. The StlylPal icon appeared in the OP button bar (sorry - I find it hard to keep track of button bars, toolbars and task bars) - StylePal was ticked in the applets drop-down menu. Clicking on the button bar apparently had no effect. Following your suggestion I unlocked and moved the Windows task bar - I found the SylePal window positioned at the bottom left of the screen and had been covered by the Windows task bar. StylePalette window was moved to my required position and now appears there whenever OP is run. Problem solved - I like the way the StylePalette window stays on top all the time - much more convenient than the Risc version. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 24 22:40:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CX5jy-0003M6-4f-0003Mc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:40:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CX5jy-0003M6-4f; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:35:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CX5jy-0003M6-4f; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:35:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CX5jy-0001V8-7y; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:35:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CX5ji-0006cR-Cl; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:35:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAOMZEf28703 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:35:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAOMZEn28698 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:35:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CX5jF-000Gew-2d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:35:14 +0000 Message-ID: <7dCsrMJRxQpBFwQy@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:33:53 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Is there an OP Windows Applet for making tables? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: "Colin Randall" Has anyone produced an Applet for the Windows version of OP that produces tables, as when you convert a RiscOS version of OP with a table from Tablemate in it is impossible to re-edit it from the Windows side? -- Colin Randall -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 24 23:20:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CX6Hh-00044O-J7-000473."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:20:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CX6Hh-00044O-J7; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:10:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CX6Hh-00044O-J7; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:10:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CX6Hh-0003nx-KY; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:10:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CX66u-0000UN-1d; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:59:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAOMxWT32759 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:59:32 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAOMxWV32755 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:59:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CX66p-000DoV-4W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:59:35 +0000 Message-ID: <3MG$vZKAIRpBFwg9@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:58:08 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Is there an OP Windows Applet for making tables? References: <7dCsrMJRxQpBFwQy@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7dCsrMJRxQpBFwQy@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Has anyone produced an Applet for the Windows version of OP that >produces tables, as when you convert a RiscOS version of OP with a >table from Tablemate in it is impossible to re-edit it from the Windows >side? There are a couple of programs that can edit Draw files on Windows (Oak Draw and Aspex). At one level a Tablemate file is just a Draw file. The only complete solution would be a port of Tablemate to Windows. It is now apparent to me that lack of table support (for Windows of any kind) is a major snag. The most immediate solution is likely to be OLE support, longer term native tables in OPW. However if anyone knows of a way of generating tables in wmf or emf form on Windows, those formats can now be loaded. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 25 13:24:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CXFYm-0003Sp-3I-0003Tl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:24:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CXFYm-0003Sp-3I; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:05:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CXFYm-0003Sp-3I; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:05:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CXFYl-0000mf-Od; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:05:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CXFYK-0005L8-KA; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:04:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAP93pQ22148 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:03:51 GMT Received: from mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAP93ow22144 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:03:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041125090346.FXPE22418.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:03:46 +0000 Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041125090345.XPNI27146.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:03:45 +0000 From: "Jeff Wallis" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Is there an OP Windows Applet for making tables? Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:03:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <3MG$vZKAIRpBFwg9@pilling.demon.co.uk> Thread-Index: AcTSel61r5dXxLNyTHmq/zdTnzmiwgAUJZkw Message-Id: <20041125090345.XPNI27146.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,IN_REP_TO, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: 24 November 2004 22:58 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Is there an OP Windows Applet for making tables? >Has anyone produced an Applet for the Windows version of OP that >produces tables, as when you convert a RiscOS version of OP with a >table from Tablemate in it is impossible to re-edit it from the Windows >side? However if anyone knows of a way of generating tables in wmf or emf form on Windows, those formats can now be loaded. Construct a table in Excel - highlight it - CTRL C, then CTRL V in an OP window. I've not tested this technique out to any great extent but I've used it a number of times for simple tables. Excel charts can be imported similarly. No OLE of course, but if you keep the native Excel file it's a simple task to make alterations. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 25 13:34:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CXJiw-0000rk-Ga-0000st."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:34:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CXJiw-0000rk-Ga; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:31:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CXJiw-0000rk-Ga; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:31:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CXJiv-00022R-UE; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:31:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CXJig-00039V-7l; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:31:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id iAPDVGG06157 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:31:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iAPDVGa06154 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:31:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CXJiN-00041u-ET for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:31:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:29:48 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Is there an OP Windows Applet for making tables? References: <3MG$vZKAIRpBFwg9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20041125090345.XPNI27146.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> In-Reply-To: <20041125090345.XPNI27146.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@JeffWallis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Construct a table in Excel - highlight it - CTRL C, then CTRL V in an OP >window. Ah yes, with the Windows clipboard things can be made available in a range of formats metafiles will often be amongst them. Good point. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net