From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 1 22:58:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CDVIO-0001sY-4q-0001sy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:58:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CDVIO-0001sY-4q; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:50:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDVIO-0001sY-4q; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:50:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDVIO-0000gz-AB; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:50:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CDVHq-00042w-I4; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:49:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i91LnoG00385 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:49:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i91LnnQ00382 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:49:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CDVHd-000DgS-EA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:49:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:48:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Pity this is the difficult bit to change regarding leaders because it is the >bit which strikes me most as being wrong. If David hadn't written the above >implying deliberate choice in programming I'd wonder if it was a bug. The history is that originally OP did not allow the leader to be specified for the tab. I added that feature shortly after I took over the program. However someone (Roger Maine I guess) pointed out this snag to me. Whilst it was too much work to fix for RISC OS, I'm inclined to fix it for Windows, I'm just worried that a change may upset existing documents. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 2 13:29:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CDezW-0005uA-5z-0005vk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:29:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CDezW-0005uA-5z; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:11:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDezW-0005uA-5z; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:11:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDezW-0000uu-FT; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:11:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CDezD-0007gK-A4; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 09:11:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i928BAq22425 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:11:10 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i928B9222422 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:11:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20041002080815.CKLC1412.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:08:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:45:04 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Fri 01 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >Pity this is the difficult bit to change regarding leaders because it is > >the bit which strikes me most as being wrong. If David hadn't written the > >above implying deliberate choice in programming I'd wonder if it was a > >bug. > > The history is that originally OP did not allow the leader to be > specified for the tab. I added that feature shortly after I took over > the program. However someone (Roger Maine I guess) pointed out this snag > to me. > > Whilst it was too much work to fix for RISC OS, I'm inclined to fix it > for Windows, I'm just worried that a change may upset existing > documents. If you change it for the Windows version would that change filter back to RISC OS? I think the suggested different behaviour is more intuitive, so less likely to catch-out new users. The current behaviour obviously caught-out an experienced user of OPro in Keith Hopper. At the time the version with modified behaviour is released you could warn people (in the release announcement, on the website) to keep a copy of their current version so they can go back for particular documents if the change causes problems and they feel the effort of changing the document to work the new way is not worthwhile. Perhaps changes which will affect the way existing documents work/display/print could be released with a significant version number change as an indication of major change and possible document incompatibility. Taking Keith Hopper's ToC as an example, a document which has a spare tab somewhere early in a line to get the leaders displaying later on the line would end up with a spare (unnecessary) tab character, with leader if it past the position of the first tab which doesn't have a leader. As these are spare tabs inserted to get the visual effect desired removing them would tidy up the document but could be a pain for a long document. Because this work-around is unlikely to be easy to apply consistently within a document an alternative style which gets round it may have been applied (my preference I think). Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 2 13:29:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CDfAI-0000P8-8i-0000QA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:29:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CDfAI-0000P8-8i; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:22:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDfAI-0000P8-8i; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:22:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDfAI-0006qr-Gx; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:22:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CDf9d-0005oY-03; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 09:22:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i928MU723700 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:22:30 +0100 Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i928MTa23694 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:22:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk (i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net [195.137.94.49]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i928MOnF001419 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:22:24 +0100 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 09:23:03 +0100 From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Golden Message-ID: <3c0679f74c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cf6a2a53candrew@owlart.net> Andrew wrote: > In article > , > wrote: > > > > > Could anyone please advise this utterly non-artistic person how > > > > > best to create in OP 2.75 (RO 3.7) the colour best suited to a > > > > > Golden Wedding celebration? TIA. > > > > > > > The problem is that gold is not a colour. You can draw objects that > > > > look golden, but they do so because they have the right colour > > > > graduations and highlights. Henk Huinen once did a tutorial in Acorn > > > > Publisher on how to achieve a gold effect in ArtWorks. > > > > > > It's also going to depend a lot on the printer you're using and the > > > paper/card you're printing onto. > > > > > > You could always use gold paper and print black or some other solid > > colour where you don't want gold > > If it's something relatively small (a couple A4 sheets or so) then I have > a Citizen Printiva which prints gold, silver red & blue metallics as well > as stardard printing. It works best on very smooth paper and isn't > high-gloss gold but looks metallic none-the-less. Get in touch if you > want anything printing. > > Andrew I know I shouldn't be by now, but I'm still amazed at the friendly helpful responses to the pleas for help from people like me. We're well on the way to solving the problem. Many thanks, chaps - you're pure gold:-). -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 2 13:48:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CDjAC-00047y-QD-00048a."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:48:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CDjAC-00047y-QD; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:39:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDjAC-00047y-QD; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:39:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDjAB-0006fm-Tm; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:39:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CDj9v-0000SX-Jm; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:38:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i92CcTm26172 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:38:29 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i92CcT526169 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:38:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CDj9b-000O66-8K for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:38:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:36:44 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >If you change it for the Windows version would that change filter back to >RISC OS? Well it might. Sometimes things turn out to be easier to do than one expects. >I think the suggested different behaviour is more intuitive, so less likely >to catch-out new users. Oh yes, I think how it works now is wrong. >At the time the version with modified behaviour is released you could warn >people (in the release announcement, on the website) to keep a copy of their People don't remember, people don't read documentation - and quite right too, they have more important things to do. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 2 14:59:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CDkMd-0004oB-Io-0004oe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:59:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CDkMd-0004oB-Io; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:55:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDkMd-0004oB-Io; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:55:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDkMd-0003B6-L5; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:55:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CDkLy-0002nU-Az; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 14:55:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i92DtQa03674 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:55:26 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i92DtPe03671 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:55:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CDkM4-0003uV-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 15:55:20 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.191] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CDkM3-0007Qv-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 15:55:20 +0200 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 15:55:00 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Message-ID: <866a97f74c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > > If you change it for the Windows version would that change filter back > > to RISC OS? > > Well it might. Sometimes things turn out to be easier to do than one > expects. > > > I think the suggested different behaviour is more intuitive, so less > > likely to catch-out new users. > > Oh yes, I think how it works now is wrong. > > > At the time the version with modified behaviour is released you could > > warn people (in the release announcement, on the website) to keep a > > copy of their > > People don't remember, people don't read documentation - and quite right > too, they have more important things to do. Too true - I find an option in preferences much more effective than pages of explanations in release notes. That way, users have a much bigger chance of curing the problem when they find a document rendering problem in this specific area. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 19:16:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CDoqp-00046U-Ms-00046v."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:16:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CDoqp-00046U-Ms; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 18:43:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDoqp-00046U-Ms; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 18:43:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDoqo-0000JG-TF; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 18:43:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CDopy-0002AF-3t; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:42:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i92Igb312947 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:42:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i92IgaG12944 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:42:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CDoqi-000N9R-AD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 18:43:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:05:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Message-ID: <4cf7ae5b49Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > People don't remember, people don't read documentation - and quite > right too, they have more important things to do. How about the choice of method being optional, with thenew method being the default, however if one opens an old document in the newer software you geta warning box (like the ones about imported style conflicts etc) that asks if you want old/new behaviour? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 19:16:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CDu0T-0000zX-Ct-00010M."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:16:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CDu0T-0000zX-Ct; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:13:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDu0T-0000zX-Ct; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:13:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CDu0T-0002WD-Mr; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:13:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CDtzV-0005Zj-Tk; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:12:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i930C6l18614 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:12:06 +0100 Received: from grunt14.ihug.co.nz (grunt14.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.61]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i930C4V18611 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:12:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from p29.hn1.wave.co.nz (albion) [203.96.192.29] by grunt14.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CDtyk-000102-00; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:11:55 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:38:53 +1200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Message-ID: <4cf65cd480kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <4cf53b7adfkh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_48_96,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > > May I suggest the model of tabs and leaders which I was given by a > >master printer in a hot metal type situation many years ago? > Taking this one piece at a time. Your observation of leaders was > something I understood. I wrote it to work that way. > It seems my original idea was to centre the leaders in the space > available, and I then changed to the way it works now. > I'm interested to read how it should work. Somewhat surprised that > someone actually knows. When writing OP there just wasn't time to > convene a meeting to decide stuff at this level of detail. > Should I change things? It'd not be that hard, but obviously would > change the appearance of existing documents. I am replying to this, but I have also read Martin's useful thoughts which I have fed in to the following - I like Martin's use of the terms fixed and ragged, but I am uncertain about his application of them to left tabs. If a left tab is given a leader than this has a fixed right end - the tab. However, surely it also has a fixed left end - the 'natural' width of the preceding text having produced this. A tab is merely padding from the last text set at its natural width up to the defined point. The crucial point as I see it is if we have two or more tabs some of which have leaders and some of which do not. If these are all left tabs then surely the leader must be set from the (fixed) position of the previous tab (whether associated with a leader or not) to the new tab - and not backwards. I know that when actually laying metal type in a forme leaders work from the left to the right in this kind of situation - strangely like a right tab with a ragged right edge - except that where the new tab is just 'chops off' some tail of the leader string as necessary to position the text (if any) correctly at the required tab position. This kind of thing is often used in multi-level indenting for indices or contents - tabbing beyond level 0 is accompanied by leaders extending from levl 0 to the next (to the next, etc) tab. Just my two penn'orth. Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 19:17:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CEAJo-0003Yv-Dp-0003ZL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:17:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CEAJo-0003Yv-Dp; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:38:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEAJo-0003Yv-Dp; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:38:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEAJo-0000Jm-2m; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:38:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CEAIr-00047p-Ub; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:37:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i93Hc5J11889 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:38:05 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i93Hc4r11885 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:38:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.174.216.18] (helo=patbryan.plusnet.co.uk) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CEAJ0-00027r-NZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:37:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:39:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Message-ID: <4cf82fc69fpatbryan@patbryan.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4cf65cd480kh@waikato.ac.nz> References: <4cf53b7adfkh@waikato.ac.nz> <4cf65cd480kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 30 Sep, Keith Hopper wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > > May I suggest the model of tabs and leaders which I was given by a > > >master printer in a hot metal type situation many years ago? > > Taking this one piece at a time. Your observation of leaders was > > something I understood. I wrote it to work that way. > > It seems my original idea was to centre the leaders in the space > > available, and I then changed to the way it works now. > > I'm interested to read how it should work. Somewhat surprised that > > someone actually knows. When writing OP there just wasn't time to > > convene a meeting to decide stuff at this level of detail. > > Should I change things? It'd not be that hard, but obviously would > > change the appearance of existing documents. > I am replying to this, but I have also read Martin's useful thoughts > which I have fed in to the following - > I like Martin's use of the terms fixed and ragged, but I am uncertain > about his application of them to left tabs. If a left tab is given a leader > than this has a fixed right end - the tab. However, surely it also has a > fixed left end - the 'natural' width of the preceding text having produced > this. A tab is merely padding from the last text set at its natural width > up to the defined point. > The crucial point as I see it is if we have two or more tabs some of > which have leaders and some of which do not. If these are all left tabs > then surely the leader must be set from the (fixed) position of the > previous tab (whether associated with a leader or not) to the new tab - and > not backwards. I know that when actually laying metal type in a forme > leaders work from the left to the right in this kind of situation - > strangely like a right tab with a ragged right edge - except that where the > new tab is just 'chops off' some tail of the leader string as necessary to > position the text (if any) correctly at the required tab position. > This kind of thing is often used in multi-level indenting for indices > or contents - tabbing beyond level 0 is accompanied by leaders extending > from levl 0 to the next (to the next, etc) tab. > Just my two penn'orth. > Keith In hot metal setting when the dots need to be lined up we would use a split measure. Then the ragged wording of the left section would push the dots to the fixed right edge. The ragged wording of the right section would push the dots to the fixed left edge. The two sections when butted together would therefore line the dots up. I have not tried this with tabs but it may work. Bryan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 19:17:12 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CENzV-000333-EB-00033r."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:17:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CENzV-000333-EB; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 08:14:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CENzV-000333-EB; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 08:14:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CENzV-0002n4-5t; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 08:14:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CENyK-0001cK-LE; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 09:13:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i948DcE04881 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:13:38 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i948DbO04872 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:13:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CENyJ-0007gq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:13:27 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.39] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CENyI-0002lw-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:13:26 +0200 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 09:27:44 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images Message-ID: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) There is a problem with OP and referenced images that caught me a few times: Under certain circumstances files with referenced images cannot be loaded into OP at all. For example, I have created a document on my RiscPC with a referenced picture residing on that machine's main hard disc "HardDisc4". I then tried loading that document on my Iyonix (via ShareFS). The Iyonixes hard disc has a different name. Therefore, when OP tried opening the referenced file an error box pops up asking for "HardDisc4" to be inserted. Clicking on "OK" or "Cancel" just results in the same error box being displayed again. Clicking on one of the buttons then results in another error box, etc. etc. Unfortunately, the error boxes never stop, so the only way out is Alt-Break to kill OP, losing any unsaved work. The problem is that OP seems to look for the external file each time the image is meant to be displayed. Instead, it should mark the image as unavailable after the first unsuccessful attempt to open it and not try to access the file again (perhaps until being told so). The current implementation has the advantage that the user can make the file available at any time and it is then used the next time the image is displayed without requiring any user intervention. However, it is based on the assumption that checking for the existence of a file is non-obtrusive, which, unfortunately, it is not due to the system's "Insert disc xxx" mechanism. There is a way of getting the best of both alternatives: OP could try opening the file normally the first time (which allows for the case that the referenced image is on a floppy that is not currently in the disc drive). Then, during any subsequent attempts to open the file, OP should install an UpCall handler to intercept UpCall 1 and 2, which will prevent the "Insert disc xxx" dialogue box from being displayed. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 19:17:20 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CER8Q-000122-AC-00012e."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:17:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CER8Q-000122-AC; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:36:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CER8Q-000122-AC; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:36:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CER8P-0004qR-RP; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:36:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CER7J-0000Rx-Cx; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:34:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i94BZIB25273 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:35:18 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.net (host1a.kbnet.net [81.26.107.30] (may be forged)) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i94BZHA25270 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:35:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.1.44.143] (host213-1-44-143.webport.bt.net [213.1.44.143]) by host1.kbnet.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i94BZ3L09918 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:35:05 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:09:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4/10/04 8:27 am, "Martin Wuerthner" wrote: > There is a problem with OP and referenced images that caught me a few > times: Under certain circumstances files with referenced images cannot be > loaded into OP at all. > > For example, I have created a document on my RiscPC with a referenced > picture residing on that machine's main hard disc "HardDisc4". I then > tried loading that document on my Iyonix (via ShareFS). The Iyonixes hard > disc has a different name. Therefore, when OP tried opening the referenced > file an error box pops up asking for "HardDisc4" to be inserted. Clicking > on "OK" or "Cancel" just results in the same error box being displayed > again. Clicking on one of the buttons then results in another error box, > etc. etc. Unfortunately, the error boxes never stop, so the only way out > is Alt-Break to kill OP, losing any unsaved work. > > The problem is that OP seems to look for the external file each time the > image is meant to be displayed. Instead, it should mark the image as > unavailable after the first unsuccessful attempt to open it and not try to > access the file again (perhaps until being told so). > > The current implementation has the advantage that the user can make the > file available at any time and it is then used the next time the image is > displayed without requiring any user intervention. However, it is based on > the assumption that checking for the existence of a file is non-obtrusive, > which, unfortunately, it is not due to the system's "Insert disc xxx" > mechanism. > > There is a way of getting the best of both alternatives: OP could try > opening the file normally the first time (which allows for the case that > the referenced image is on a floppy that is not currently in the disc > drive). Then, during any subsequent attempts to open the file, OP should > install an UpCall handler to intercept UpCall 1 and 2, which will prevent > the "Insert disc xxx" dialogue box from being displayed. > > Martin When publishing Acorn Publisher I used referenced images almost exclusively because it significantly reduces the potential file size of the main document, which became essential. The system works well in OP but as Martin says there can be issues. Similar software on other platforms allows you to display a list of referenced images (linked files). When a file is updated or inaccessible the document continues to show the preview and the link list highlights the situation, with a sub-menu or buttons which allow you to update the document. On loading a document any missing link is highlighted in the same way as a missing font. This kind of system would be ideal in OP. In those other applications linked or referenced images are thee norm (and default) and consequently the facilities for handling such images are better developed compared with OP where embedded images are the norm, and referenced images were adde4d as a later feature. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 19:17:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CEghO-0004hq-3n-00039m."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:17:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CEghO-0004hq-3n; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 04:28:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEghO-0004hq-3n; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 04:13:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEdNy-00029A-2A; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 00:40:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CEdGj-0006eB-5B; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 01:33:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i950Xum29469 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:33:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i950XuI29466 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:33:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CEdGy-000JRO-FV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 00:33:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:10:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images Message-ID: <4cf8cc719fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Mike Williams wrote: > The system works well in OP but as Martin says there can be issues. > Similar software on other platforms allows you to display a list of > referenced images (linked files). Though this clearly won't work in the situation that Martin described, saving a working document as DDL allows you to inspect the list of embedded image filenames, via a text editor. It'd be fairly easy to write some code that took a DDL file and summarised the referenced files inside it, and allowed changes to those. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 19:17:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CEo4J-0007DF-Mk-0007ER."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:17:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CEo4J-0007DF-Mk; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:05:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEo4J-0007DF-Mk; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:05:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEo4I-00051u-ST; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:05:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CEo3S-0005q6-6O; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 13:04:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i95C4cA01209 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:04:38 +0100 Received: from msgdirector3.onetel.net.uk (msgdirector3.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.159]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i95C4cJ01202 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:04:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bghill.onetel.com ([213.78.95.246]) by msgdirector3.onetel.net.uk (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with SMTP id CTR22259; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:04:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:05:45 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: [softwarelist] Smart quotes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) When doing a Mailmerge with OP, I find that smart quotes are not produced from the imported fields for house names. 'Use Smart quotes' is selected in the Text choices of OP on the Icon Bar and also selected in the Applets pull down menu. Have I missed something? If this is how it works, would it be possible to incorporate the use of Smart quotes into a style? Can Smart quotes be specified in the CSV file used to hold the import information? Bernard. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road email: bghill@onetel.com Undy, Caldicot NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 20:06:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CEubN-0000LR-EN-0000Lx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:06:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CEubN-0000LR-EN; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:03:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEubN-0000LR-EN; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:03:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEubN-0002Ku-8K; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:03:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CEub8-0000TK-2w; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:03:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i95J3EG14119 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:03:14 +0100 Received: from obelix.sunrise.ch (mailrelay3.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i95J3EZ14114 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:03:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-2-dialup-73.spectraweb.ch [194.230.9.73]) by obelix.sunrise.ch (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i95J1sEY006994 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:01:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:48:32 +0100 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4cf8cc719fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon 04 Oct, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > In article , > Mike Williams wrote: > > > The system works well in OP but as Martin says there can be issues. > > Similar software on other platforms allows you to display a list of > > referenced images (linked files). > > Though this clearly won't work in the situation that Martin described, > saving a working document as DDL allows you to inspect the list of > embedded image filenames, via a text editor. It'd be fairly easy to > write some code that took a DDL file and summarised the referenced > files inside it, and allowed changes to those. > I definitely do not want to pretend to have sufficient knowledge to comment on the info given by Martin Wuerthner, Mike Williams or Jeremy Nicoll, but would like to add some comment on Martin's initial message. He mentions the problem arises when switchiong to another system where the Harddisc has another name. I had a similar problem using Organizer. When travelling I take my notebook (with VRPC) with me and of course transfer my agenda. At a certain moment this did not work; a certain file could not be found (Journal) and some other problems. Careful investigation revealed that Organizer initially saved files not to a named harddisc but as ^.B.B1.DIVERS. (DIVERS is the directory where I save the ^ files) The notebook suddenly did not recognize this name and demanded ADFS::HD4.B.B1.DIVERS. ^^^^^^^^^ If OvPro can/could reference without the need of a *named* hard disc, this might ne a possible solution to Martin's question (presuming the pictures are in the same directory as the OvPro document). JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 20:26:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CEuts-0000Cg-Oi-0000DK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:26:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CEuts-0000Cg-Oi; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:23:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEuts-0000Cg-Oi; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:23:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEuts-0005st-Dl; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:23:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CEute-0007b4-S9; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:22:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i95JMOW17313 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:22:24 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i95JMOQ17310 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:22:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from CybertronPC ([82.34.59.24]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:22:49 +0100 Message-ID: <031901c4ab10$a2bba750$183b2252@CybertronPC> From: "John M Ward" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:22:20 +0100 Organization: Chateau John MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2004 19:22:49.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[B36A2180:01C4AB10] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > I definitely do not want to pretend to have sufficient knowledge to > comment on the info given by Martin Wuerthner, Mike Williams or > Jeremy Nicoll, but would like to add some comment on Martin's initial > message. > > He mentions the problem arises when switchiong to another system > where the Harddisc has another name. > I had a similar problem using Organizer... > > If OvPro can/could reference without the need of a *named* hard disc, > this might ne a possible solution to Martin's question (presuming the > pictures are in the same directory as the OvPro document). A possible way around this, if it could easily and conveniently be programmed into these programs, would be using path variables instead, and setting these by the usual dragging an icon to a filer window. I'm thinking here of setting where !Printers prints to a file, for example. In the case of OvationPro, an Image$Path (or suchlike) variable could be set, and the referenced images would be stored there, or in sub-folders of that location as that would be stored with the leafname within the document. When all this is copied to another machine, such as a portable running VirtualRPC, the copy of OvPro there would then need to have its Image$Dir variable set appropriately and the program will then find the images. I bet I've missed something vital that makes this idea unworkable, but at least it might get better minds than mine thinking in more "lateral" directions and finding a better way... -- John M Ward * * RISC OS computing since 1987, A310 to Iyonix * * Fully ARMed for 17 years! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 20:56:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CEvIb-0002Lb-Eu-0002M6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:56:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CEvIb-0002Lb-Eu; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:48:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEvIb-0002Lb-Eu; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:48:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEvIb-0004QZ-DY; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:48:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CEvII-0006vW-JJ; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:48:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i95Jm8521719 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:48:08 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i95Jm8h21715 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:48:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([81.99.21.189]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041005194625.SCQR25095.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:46:25 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:48:04 +0100 From: Colin Carnegie To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/1.45d (Qt/3.3.2) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > If OvPro can/could reference without the need of a *named* hard > disc, this might ne a possible solution to Martin's question > (presuming the pictures are in the same directory as the OvPro > document). > > JohnvV > > Please forgive me if I've completely mis-understood the issue, but surely the use of the '{filepath}.^.' macro eliminates the need for a named hard disc. Colin -- Colin Carnegie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 22:16:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CEwbr-0003qB-Mp-0003qn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:16:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CEwbr-0003qB-Mp; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:12:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEwbr-0003qB-Mp; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:12:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEwbq-0001Cu-SR; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:12:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CEwbc-0005Lr-M8; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:12:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i95LC6Q03085 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:12:06 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i95LC6Y03082 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:12:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.172.229] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CEva8-0002Y5-Er for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:06:45 +0100 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:55:22 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.63 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >Pity this is the difficult bit to change regarding leaders because it is the > >bit which strikes me most as being wrong. If David hadn't written the above > >implying deliberate choice in programming I'd wonder if it was a bug. > > The history is that originally OP did not allow the leader to be > specified for the tab. I added that feature shortly after I took over > the program. However someone (Roger Maine I guess) pointed out this snag > to me. > > Whilst it was too much work to fix for RISC OS, I'm inclined to fix it > for Windows, I'm just worried that a change may upset existing > documents. Reading between the lines, does this spell the beginning of the end for developments to OvnPro for RISC OS? I realise that when it comes to earning an honest crust, OP Windows sales will be a priority but you do have plenty of loyal RISC OS supporters. And I'm feeling guilty now as after I bought your 2000 edition of the manual I said I was going to buy the Script Manual but for various personal reasons did not get round to it. Is it still available? Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ A kitten is for life... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 22:26:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CEwn7-0004b6-9c-0004bb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:26:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CEwn7-0004b6-9c; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:24:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEwn7-0004b6-9c; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:24:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEwn7-0002WG-PF; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:24:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CEwmn-00030H-Rp; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:23:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i95LNjL04714 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:23:45 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i95LNiK04711 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:23:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CEwme-000Af9-1K for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:23:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:22:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >And I'm feeling guilty now as after I bought your 2000 edition of the >manual I said I was going to buy the Script Manual but for various >personal reasons did not get round to it. > >Is it still available? > Yes. Let me confuse you, I don't make money on the manuals. ;-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 22:36:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CEwqo-0003PP-5v-0003Q5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:36:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CEwqo-0003PP-5v; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:28:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEwqo-0003PP-5v; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:28:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEwqo-0003iP-JV; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:28:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CEwqd-0004ra-4w; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:27:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i95LRlJ05544 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:27:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i95LRlh05538 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:27:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CEwrG-000GBK-CM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:28:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:26:12 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >There is a problem with OP and referenced images that caught me a few >times: Under certain circumstances files with referenced images cannot be >loaded into OP at all. Fair point. Just to say there are ways around some of the problems, you can reference images relative to the document (as Colin Carnegie suggested). I'd expect tricks using path variables and/or OP macros would work. Finally you can usually manage to turn off pictures (View->Options) whilst you sort out things. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 5 22:36:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CEwsE-0004Bc-5b-0004C9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:36:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CEwsE-0004Bc-5b; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:29:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEwsE-0004Bc-5b; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:29:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CEwsE-0004QA-Fo; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:29:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CEwrx-0004hP-DB; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:29:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i95LT9C05727 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:29:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i95LT8P05724 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:29:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CEwsa-000GNF-Ag for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:29:52 +0000 Message-ID: <7vNMXXGoHxYBFwLs@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:28:08 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: M P Churchill In message you wrote: > Hi, > > A major upgrade of some of the fonts supplied with Ovation Pro is > available. > > Visit the web page; > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/fontup.html > Thanks. There was a problem installing them on RO 4.39 unless Agenda was viewed first. The font merge came up with 'name not recognised' for each face on first attempt, then I looked at Agenda, and they seemed to install. Messages1 in !Fonts had them all in. They worked on screen - but not for printing! I had a document in SwissB; it either printed as a blank page or in Sassoon - presumably because this is my desktop font, or because the final note in the doc was in Sassoon. I changed the body text to Homerton - and it printed. Any ideas what is going on? Thanks -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 6 13:57:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CF6NS-0000iC-Lb-0000ih."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:57:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CF6NS-0000iC-Lb; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 07:38:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CF6NS-0000iC-Lb; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 07:38:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CF6NS-0004ZV-GU; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 07:38:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CF6Mw-0004BQ-5u; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:37:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i967bGb02859 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:37:16 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i967bGd02855 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:37:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CF6MM-00030C-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:37:14 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.69] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CF6MM-0006MF-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:37:14 +0200 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:46:54 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Colin Carnegie wrote: > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > > > If OvPro can/could reference without the need of a *named* hard > > disc, this might ne a possible solution to Martin's question > > (presuming the pictures are in the same directory as the OvPro > > document). > > > Please forgive me if I've completely mis-understood the issue, but > surely the use of the '{filepath}.^.' macro eliminates the need for a > named hard disc. If you do this on the source machine when creating the document, fine. However, unless you take any special action OvationPro stores the complete path name including the hard disc in the document. My point was about the continued error messages on the target machine that prevent you from doing anything but kill OvationPro. As David has pointed out, switching image viewing off on the target machine can do the trick - but only if you do it before loading the document. Of course, before loading the document you do not know there is a problem with it. Therefore, it is advisable not to load a document from disc if you have unsaved work - it would be lost if the loaded document has an unresolved referenced image with a differently named hard disc. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 6 13:57:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CF9Bl-0002SD-Az-0002Sy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:57:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CF9Bl-0002SD-Az; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:38:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CF9Bl-0002SD-Az; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:38:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CF9Bl-0006bG-4q; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:38:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CF9B9-0006gb-Sb; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:37:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i96AbVv18977 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:37:31 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i96AbUL18971 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:37:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=41547 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CF9Ao-0008M7-AO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:37:30 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55244 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CF9An-0001xA-3g for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:37:29 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c4ab90$7cf99bf0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <7vNMXXGoHxYBFwLs@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:37:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tuesday, October 05, 2004 11:28 PM , David Pilling wrote: >> From: M P Churchill > > In message you wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> A major upgrade of some of the fonts supplied with Ovation Pro is >> available. >> >> Visit the web page; >> >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/fontup.html >> > > Thanks. There was a problem installing them on RO 4.39 unless Agenda > was viewed first. The font merge came up with 'name not recognised' > for each face on first attempt, then I looked at Agenda, and they > seemed to install. Messages1 in !Fonts had them all in. They worked > on screen - but not for printing! I had a document in SwissB; it > either printed as a blank page or in Sassoon - presumably because > this is my desktop font, or because the final note in the doc was in > Sassoon. > > I changed the body text to Homerton - and it printed. > > Any ideas what is going on? I assume you also tried after a reboot. Or at least a reboot after installation of the fonts? I also assume that the lines in Messages1 are like this for the language fonts: LFont_SwissB.Bold: LFont_SwissB.Bold.Oblique: LFont_SwissB.Medium:* LFont_SwissB.Medium.Oblique: and like this for SymbolB and DPDings: Font_SymbolB:* I don't have RO 4.39. I have/had RO 4.29i - first Select. No trouble with installation. I haven't printed from here - no software/!Printers installed. Not updated to 32bit. I have RO4.02 - patch 5. !Printers 1.64a. OP doc with all the new fonts and both weights of Sassoon with all chars as given with f11. Print to PS and PCL5 no problem at all. !Printers 1.53+ Sprinter: no problem. Any other people around suffering from *not printing*? Which OS? Which printer/!Printers? Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 6 14:07:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFBTq-0003e6-Kz-0003fl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:07:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFBTq-0003e6-Kz; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:05:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFBTq-0003e6-Kz; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:05:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFBTp-0001sx-HD; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:05:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFBSv-00073f-NT; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:04:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i96D3nx27603 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:03:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i96D3mC27596 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:03:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFBSO-000MXZ-0T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:03:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:02:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >My point was about the continued error messages on the target machine that >prevent you from doing anything but kill OvationPro. Hmm. my recollection was that although the errors were tedious they didn't stop you doing anything. OP is supposed to automatically make the window very small if it hits a redraw error - thus preventing any further errors whilst leaving enough room for you to Menu and turn off pictures. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 6 16:47:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFDvu-0006u9-Q3-0006vN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:47:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFDvu-0006u9-Q3; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:42:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFDvu-0006u9-Q3; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:42:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFDvt-0004v1-P1; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:42:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFDvL-0005lq-JE; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:41:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i96FfKs07790 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:41:20 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i96FfJT07785 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:41:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CFDuo-0000ok-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:41:18 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.237] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CFDuo-0003i6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:41:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:40:46 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images Message-ID: <6971b0f94c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > > My point was about the continued error messages on the target machine > > that prevent you from doing anything but kill OvationPro. > > Hmm. my recollection was that although the errors were tedious they > didn't stop you doing anything. OP is supposed to automatically make the > window very small if it hits a redraw error - thus preventing any > further errors whilst leaving enough room for you to Menu and turn off > pictures. Yes, I agree this is how it should happen. Unfortunately, what happens is that there is an unending sequence of "Insert disc xxx" error boxes - as soon as I click on Cancel, a new one opens, with no chance to do anything else but press Alt-Break. The OP window is not made smaller. As you know, these error boxes are displayed by the Wimp and clicking on Cancel returns a "Disc not found" error to the caller of the filing system call (OP, in this case) but somehow it seems that OP ignores this error. There is no error box displayed by OP, so I guess this is the reason why the mechanism you describe above, which is probably part of the error box display mechanism, does not kick in. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 6 18:27:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFFRN-0005Ai-7Q-0005B6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:27:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFFRN-0005Ai-7Q; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:19:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFFRN-0005Ai-7Q; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:19:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFFRM-0005jO-Sz; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:19:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFFR4-00022f-MW; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:18:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i96HIId31592 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:18:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i96HIIK31588 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:18:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFFQf-000G0u-FR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:18:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:16:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images References: <6971b0f94c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <6971b0f94c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Yes, I agree this is how it should happen. Unfortunately, what happens is >that there is an unending sequence of "Insert disc xxx" error boxes - as So probably my code is not spotting the error and returning it, as quickly as it should. The only tip is to hold down the escape key, which will get rid of such error boxes a lot quicker than clicking on C a n c e l. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 6 20:38:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFHYz-0006Ci-EW-0006DS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:38:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFHYz-0006Ci-EW; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:35:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFHYz-0006Ci-EW; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:35:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFHYz-000044-62; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:35:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFHYU-0002it-1U; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:34:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i96JYCm23624 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:34:12 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i96JYCV23621 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:34:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.25.17] (helo=myriscpc.nom) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CFHYA-000LSh-Pb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:34:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:50:39 +0100 (BST) From: Arthur Taylor Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor @ home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Wed 06 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >My point was about the continued error messages on the target machine that > >prevent you from doing anything but kill OvationPro. > > Hmm. my recollection was that although the errors were tedious they > didn't stop you doing anything. OP is supposed to automatically make the > window very small if it hits a redraw error - thus preventing any > further errors whilst leaving enough room for you to Menu and turn off > pictures. > This is what happens in my experience, although you have to drag the window a bit larger to get a bit of the document page to click menu on - it contracts right down to just the top & side tool bars, which fooled me initially! -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 6 23:48:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFKSv-0001o1-QO-0001os."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:48:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFKSv-0001o1-QO; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:40:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFKSv-0001o1-QO; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:40:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFKSu-0003XN-VN; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:40:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFKSS-0001YG-8P; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:40:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i96Me5S16538 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:40:05 +0100 Received: from mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (mta04-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.44]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i96Me5A16534 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:40:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from j8s0v7 ([80.5.10.70]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20041006223821.SYVV4745.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@j8s0v7> for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:38:21 +0100 Message-ID: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> From: "John Grogan" To: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:39:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Although the new versions of the fonts seem to work fine when copied into the standard Fonts folder, I have had problems trying to instal them into EasyFontPro. The following is a copy of the message I sent to APDL last week: Iyonix RiscOS v5.07 EasyFontPro v5.12 Reg No 02320 DrFonty v1.44 David Pilling has released new versions of eight old Beebug fonts used with OvationPro. They all work fine when simply copied to !Boot.Resources.!Fonts and used in the standard RiscOS way but six of them (the "language" fonts - see attached) fail to load into EasyFontPro (message: fonts cannot be rendered). DrFonty says they contain more than 255 characters then gives an error "subscript out of range". Any ideas? I haven't had any response as yet. John Grogan -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 6 23:58:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFKbc-0002IQ-3w-0002Iv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:58:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFKbc-0002IQ-3w; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:49:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFKbc-0002IQ-3w; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:49:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFKbb-00028I-Vs; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:49:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFKbJ-0007C2-Ty; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:49:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i96MnUX17739 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:49:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i96MnUe17736 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:49:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFKbC-000Bw4-JM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:49:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:49:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade Message-ID: <4cf9d7afa9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> References: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 06 Oct, John Grogan wrote: > Although the new versions of the fonts seem to work fine when copied > into the standard Fonts folder, I have had problems trying to instal > them into EasyFontPro. The following is a copy of the message I sent to > APDL last week: > Iyonix RiscOS v5.07 EasyFontPro v5.12 Reg No 02320 DrFonty v1.44 > David Pilling has released new versions of eight old Beebug fonts > used with OvationPro. They all work fine when simply copied to > !Boot.Resources.!Fonts and used in the standard RiscOS way but six of > them (the "language" fonts - see attached) fail to load into EasyFontPro > (message: fonts cannot be rendered). DrFonty says they contain more > than 255 characters then gives an error "subscript out of range". > Any ideas? They all work OK in EasyFont Pro 5.04 on RO 4.02 here. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 7 01:38:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFMCp-00032a-Do-00032x."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:38:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFMCp-00032a-Do; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:32:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFMCp-00032a-Do; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:32:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFMCp-0000AT-3N; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:32:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFMCN-0007Lp-U0; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:31:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i970Vdu31047 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:31:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i970VdC31044 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:31:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFMC2-0007Wi-Ee for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:31:38 +0000 Message-ID: <$WAdJ4FY4IZBFww3@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:30:16 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade References: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> <4cf9d7afa9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf9d7afa9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: M P Churchill > I also assume that the lines in Messages1 are like this for the language > fonts: > > LFont_SwissB.Bold: > LFont_SwissB.Bold.Oblique: > LFont_SwissB.Medium:* > LFont_SwissB.Medium.Oblique: > and like this for SymbolB and DPDings: > > Font_SymbolB:* Yes. All OK > Any other people around suffering from *not printing*? > Which OS? > Which printer/!Printers? Something has occurred to me. The original fonts were not in !Fonts - they were in EasyFontPro. This was not loaded when I installed the new fonts. Are the new fonts "complete", or do they "add onto" the existing ones? Best wishes -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 7 01:58:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFMZ8-0002uJ-Qu-0002uw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:58:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFMZ8-0002uJ-Qu; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:55:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFMZ8-0002uJ-Qu; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:55:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFMZ8-0004Q8-5D; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:55:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFMYK-0000qM-Hn; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:54:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i970sZx00900 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:54:35 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i970sZa00897 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:54:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFMYE-000FgF-FF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:54:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:53:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade References: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> <4cf9d7afa9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$WAdJ4FY4IZBFww3@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$WAdJ4FY4IZBFww3@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Are the new fonts "complete", or do they "add onto" the existing ones? Complete. What sort of printer are you using? PostScript or something else? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 7 01:58:20 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFMbn-00021B-Jf-00023B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:58:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFMbn-00021B-Jf; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:58:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFMbn-00021B-Jf; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:58:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFMbm-0002JL-TW; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:58:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFMbZ-0006UK-7k; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:58:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i970vwC01388 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:57:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i970vvc01383 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:57:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFMcB-000NpP-Bq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:58:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:56:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade References: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> In-Reply-To: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > see attached) fail to load into EasyFontPro (message: fonts cannot be > rendered). DrFonty says they contain more than 255 characters then >gives an > error "subscript out of range". These fonts contain more than 255 characters. That is legal, it's a feature of course, but it is perhaps not common. The built in fonts, Homerton etc. in later versions of RISC OS have a similar extension. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 7 14:16:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFRZt-0005u5-3a-0005ut."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:16:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFRZt-0005u5-3a; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:16:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFRZt-0005u5-3a; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:16:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFRZs-0000lN-IY; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:16:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFRZb-0003Vp-HI; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:16:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i976G2L30467 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:16:02 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i976G2d30464 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:16:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-202-154.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.202.154]:1031 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFRXD-0006Vh-Th for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:13:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:14:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade Message-ID: <4cfa006abcdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> References: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7>, John Grogan wrote: > Although the new versions of the fonts seem to work fine when copied into > the standard Fonts folder, I have had problems trying to instal them into > EasyFontPro. The following is a copy of the message I sent to APDL last > week: [Snip] > John Grogan John, Installed the new Font versions on this SARPC with Select RO 4.39 into EasyFont Pro version 5.11 without any difficulty. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 7 14:16:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFT7K-0001Ny-3n-0001Oe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:16:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFT7K-0001Ny-3n; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:55:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFT7K-0001Ny-3n; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:55:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFT7J-0005FC-Vj; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:55:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFT6y-0001CN-8B; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:54:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i977sdm13596 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:54:39 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i977scv13591 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:54:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CFT6k-0003a6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:54:38 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.34] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CFT6j-0004WL-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:54:38 +0200 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:54:17 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images Message-ID: <0a9209fa4c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <6971b0f94c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > > Yes, I agree this is how it should happen. Unfortunately, what happens > > is that there is an unending sequence of "Insert disc xxx" error boxes > > So probably my code is not spotting the error and returning it, as > quickly as it should. > > The only tip is to hold down the escape key, which will get rid of such > error boxes a lot quicker than clicking on C a n c e l. Hmmm. I cannot see any difference here. And even if it was quicker, it would not help since after getting rid of the error box the next one appears immediately. No time to do anything, not even to open a menu in OP. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 7 14:26:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFYF2-0004SI-QZ-0004TF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:26:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFYF2-0004SI-QZ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:23:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFYF2-0004SI-QZ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:23:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFYEm-0001ZY-Ms; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:23:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFYDl-0005li-H7; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:22:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i97DLRM07638 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:21:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i97DLQb07633 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:21:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFYD0-0003bl-DI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:21:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:20:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Problem with OP and referenced images References: <6971b0f94c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <0a9209fa4c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <0a9209fa4c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Hmmm. I cannot see any difference here. And even if it was quicker, it >would not help since after getting rid of the error box the next one >appears immediately. No time to do anything, not even to open a menu in Well say you're loading a 100K file and it is read in 4K blocks and each block returns an error, if the error is ignored you're going to have to click on the Can button 25 times. Holding down escape produces those 25 clear error events a lot faster and with less effort. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 7 15:36:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFZEf-0000EW-96-0000FN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:36:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFZEf-0000EW-96; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:27:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFZEf-0000EW-96; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:27:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFZDY-00014J-5G; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:27:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFZCb-0005YQ-St; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:25:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i97EOdM25708 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:24:39 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i97EOcW25701 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:24:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=54954 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFZCA-0002I5-Ca for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:24:38 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55300 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFZC9-0006vM-8l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:24:37 +0200 Message-ID: <004001c4ac79$6266efb0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:23:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:39 AM , John Grogan wrote: > Although the new versions of the fonts seem to work fine when copied > into the standard Fonts folder, I have had problems trying to instal > them into EasyFontPro. The following is a copy of the message I sent > to APDL last week: > > Iyonix RiscOS v5.07 > EasyFontPro v5.12 Reg No 02320 > DrFonty v1.44 > > David Pilling has released new versions of eight old Beebug fonts > used with OvationPro. They all work fine when simply copied to > !Boot.Resources.!Fonts and used in the standard RiscOS way but six of them (the > "language" fonts - see attached) fail to load into EasyFontPro (message: fonts cannot > be rendered). DrFonty says they contain more than 255 > characters then gives an error "subscript out of range". > This is also what DrFonty 1.42 says in RO 4.02. But it also says this for IYONIX Rom fonts - e.g. Homerton, whilst it happily loads the Latin1 chars from an older Language font with less chars and a shorter Base0 Encoding. Also !FontFiend 2.45m has the same problem. If you want to have a look inside the fonts -or IYONIX Romfonts-, you need a copy of !FontEd. Make sure, that you don't *SAVE*. This means a loss of data like kerning - just as the opening window in !FontEd will tell you. The language fonts show an order of chars as listed in the Base0 file in the ROMFonts-Encoding folder. Fonts based on this encoding 0 have the addtion '0' to Intmetric and Outlines files. >From all these chars, a small list (256) is used for each 'Alphabet' or Language or Encoding. Which subsets are supported can be seen 1) at the chars present in a FontEd window 2) the Encoding text files (e.g. Latin1, Welsh) in the ROMFonts-Encoding folder. This is different in each OS. Of course, for the latter also !XChars from martin Wuertner can be used. BTW: Language fonts came with RO 3. People with Artworks CD will find the Artworks fonts on the CD in 2 formats. By CC called RO2 and RO3 fonts. RO2 = version 6 - Outlines/Intmetrics/ Latin1 only. RO3 = version 8 - Base0 or Latin1 only. With -if present- support for kerning. People with XARAX can find TrueType versions of neraly all these fonts on the XARAX CD. Anyway, when people wants Unicode support - one of the things needed will be fonts for which Unicode support makes sense. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 8 14:21:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFuYs-0006pj-BW-0006qo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:21:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFuYs-0006pj-BW; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:13:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFuYs-0006pj-BW; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:13:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFuYs-00022H-CE; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:13:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFuYY-0004Pz-5Y; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:13:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i98DCgM02870 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:12:42 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i98DCfW02860 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:12:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFuZ1-000NOJ-5P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:13:39 +0000 Message-ID: <7GKctWCzHpZBFwBN@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:11:15 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade References: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> <4cf9d7afa9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$WAdJ4FY4IZBFww3@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: M P Churchill > What sort of printer are you using? PostScript or something else? > LaserDirect (Canon LBP8) When I get the time, I'll install the fonts again and try printing to an inkjet via UniPrint. -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 8 14:42:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFusS-00055y-5n-000577."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:42:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFusS-00055y-5n; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:33:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFusS-00055y-5n; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:33:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFusS-0000fA-8n; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:33:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFury-00064G-Ex; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:33:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i98DWvH08444 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:32:57 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i98DWuY08435 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:32:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFurf-000MjX-FB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:32:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:31:24 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade References: <004701c4abf5$5315eea0$6401a8c0@j8s0v7> <4cf9d7afa9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <$WAdJ4FY4IZBFww3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7GKctWCzHpZBFwBN@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7GKctWCzHpZBFwBN@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> What sort of printer are you using? PostScript or something else? >LaserDirect (Canon LBP8) Oh I've got one of those - free to a good home, full Canon service history - it uses CC's own font manager and there are some oddities. For example I seem to recall it won't print text over a certain point size unless you turn off "text half toning" that setting actually controls if the CC font manager is used or not. So I'd be inclined to try twiddling that setting. >When I get the time, I'll install the fonts again and try printing to >an inkjet via UniPrint. Or Sprinter (free from my web site), or ArcFax. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 8 14:52:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CFv2k-0002lF-JP-0002mN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:52:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CFv2k-0002lF-JP; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:44:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFv2k-0002lF-JP; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:44:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CFv2j-0001NJ-JJ; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:44:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CFv2M-0000Y6-7h; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:43:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i98Dhis11781 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:43:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i98DhiU11776 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:43:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFv27-0000EQ-D9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:43:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:42:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS, DPScan, OPW, updates. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, There are new versions of the following on my web site. SparkFS - upgrade 1.39 to 1.40 http://www.davidpilling.net/sfs139.zip This uses the official RISC OS Ltd. file type for Zip files. I suspect this is going to cause great irritation for some people. Things like Mime map will have to be updated. However I have been prevailed upon to produce this version for the benefit of Adjust (or whatever) users. New RISC OS 5 Sprites. Linked with GStubs, so doesn't need 32 bit C library. DPScan 1.21 http://www.davidpilling.net/sc121.zip A few minor bug fixes. Ovation Pro for Windows 2.75 5th. October 2004 http://www.davidpilling.net/ovnproi.exe I seem to have been uploading a new version every week recently. Just minor fiddling. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 00:42:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CG4MG-0003qc-Lr-0003rH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:42:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CG4MG-0003qc-Lr; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:41:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CG4MG-0003qc-Lr; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:41:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CG4MG-0006qq-IO; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:41:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CG4Lz-0008SX-7Y; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:40:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i98NeUw28757 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:40:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i98NeUg28752 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:40:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CG4Lc-000CvO-2u for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:40:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:38:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > SparkFS - upgrade 1.39 to 1.40 > http://www.davidpilling.net/sfs139.zip Thankyou for continuing updates to your products. I've been reading the info about being able to limit the maximum size of SparkFS's dynamic area by setting negative values in SparkFS$Memory in the !Run file. I'm confused about how, or if, that relates to my existing Memory configuration values set via the iconbar choices menu. There, I've got max=8192K. I'm using RO 3.70/3, on a RPC with 258M RAM. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 02:12:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CG5gz-0000EU-LJ-0000FA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 02:12:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CG5gz-0000EU-LJ; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 01:06:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CG5gz-0000EU-LJ; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 01:06:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CG5gz-00040X-Bt; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 01:06:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CG5gk-0004I0-OY; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 02:06:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99168N09084 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 02:06:08 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99167G09081 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 02:06:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CG5gV-0003cr-1T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 01:06:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 02:05:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration References: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've been reading the info about being able to limit the maximum size >of SparkFS's dynamic area by setting negative values in SparkFS$Memory >in the !Run file. I'm confused about how, or if, that relates to my >existing Memory configuration values set via the iconbar choices menu. >There, I've got max=8192K. The new setting lets you change the maximum size of the dynamic area. That's a new value. The old values of max and min memory in choices still apply, but the max value is of course limited to be less than the maximum size of the dynamic area. I guess if you've got an Iyonix with 512MB, set the max size of the dynamic area to 32MB, set the max memory setting to 32MB, and set the min memory to 1MB, and forget about it. I think those settings will lose you very little memory, and you're unlikely to find SparkFS running out of memory. Once it was different, when machines only had 1 or 2MB of RAM. SparkFS was happy using the system sprite area (before dynamic areas were invented, and that has a max of 4MB). I suppose ideally the max memory setting in the SparkFS choices window would also set the max size of the dynamic area. Now I think about it, that could be made to work, or things could be arranged so it appeared to work, but it would be a lot more effort. One person has come to me, and said "you're stuffing up the entire machine by grabbing a full size dynamic area, you know that SparkFS will never need that much memory, why don't you fix it". However since it was just one person, I suspect life has gone on. I have a hazy recollection that RISC OS 5 has some sort of limiting system for dynamic area sizes. DPScan from 1.19 on has a similar feature. I have an Iyonix, and I've felt no need to use these new features. But if you have had problems there is now a solution. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 13:37:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CG6my-0002Q7-IL-0002Qs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:37:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CG6my-0002Q7-IL; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 02:16:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CG6my-0002Q7-IL; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 02:16:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CG6my-00064m-GF; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 02:16:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CG6mI-00068K-09; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 03:16:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i992FwV16612 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:15:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i992Fvt16608 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:15:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CG6mj-000C1v-B2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 02:16:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 03:07:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfaf175f2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > The new setting lets you change the maximum size of the dynamic area. > That's a new value. > The old values of max and min memory in choices still apply, but the > max value is of course limited to be less than the maximum size of > the dynamic area. Thanks for replying with so much info... but I'm still confused. Do the choices max/min values also relate to the (same) dynamic area, or are they for some other area of memory? > I suppose ideally the max memory setting in the SparkFS choices > window would also set the max size of the dynamic area. Or vice versa? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 13:37:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGB1b-0004Kt-RA-0004Lb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:37:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGB1b-0004Kt-RA; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 06:48:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGB1b-0004Kt-RA; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 06:48:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGB1b-0004fR-6f; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 06:48:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGB1C-0000g4-CV; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 07:47:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i996lSP25457 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 07:47:28 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB83A.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.184.58]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i996lR425451 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 07:47:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CGB0o-000680-00 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 08:47:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 08:47:27 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm having a little problem with the new Zip filetype. I did the changes myself to 1.39 shortly after RISCOS Ltd. introduced this new filetype. I had the same problem by then, but I thought it was due to my incompetence. But now the same is true for the official 1.40. The problem is this: When double-clicking on a &DDC attachment in Pluto it flawlessly opens in SparkFS having been copied to .Pluto with a unique random name first. With the new &A91 filetype this doesn't work anymore. When double-clicking on a &A91 attachment, Pluto tells me: File '....!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ID70136b01.Pluto.fb0af291' not found But looking into that directory, that file is present and is correctly filetyped &A91. And double-clicking it there opens it fine in SparkFS. Is there any difference in SparkFS how &DDC and &A91 are handled w.r.t. to opening them? How can I further track down the problem and fix it? TIA. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 13:37:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGDSA-0004zD-7W-0004zq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:37:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGDSA-0004zD-7W; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 09:23:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGDSA-0004zD-7W; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 09:23:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGDSA-0003Qy-2R; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 09:23:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGDRp-0003IU-Ne; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:23:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i999NI315749 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:23:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i999NHF15744 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:23:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGDRd-0009J1-6V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 09:23:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:23:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > SparkFS - upgrade 1.39 to 1.40 > > http://www.davidpilling.net/sfs139.zip > Thankyou for continuing updates to your products. Hmm. I've just downloaded the new 1.40 SparkFS but when I try to run Freshen and drag my existing v1.39 to the window and click Start I get the error message "Incorrect length for file !RunImage." and the upgrade aborts. I presume I must be doing something wrong this end, as I've not seen any other comments about the problem. Any ideas? Paul -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ 21 of Life's Unanswered Questions... 11. Why is it that when you're driving and looking for an address, you turn down the volume on the radio? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 13:37:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGETI-0001ej-6y-0001fL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:37:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGETI-0001ej-6y; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:29:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGETI-0001ej-6y; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:29:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGETH-0001le-Ul; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:29:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGERl-0007rp-UR; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:27:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99ARE325948 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:27:14 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99ARED25945 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:27:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGERV-000Pvu-1L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:27:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:24:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfb1f06d3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> References: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > SparkFS - upgrade 1.39 to 1.40 > > > http://www.davidpilling.net/sfs139.zip > > Thankyou for continuing updates to your products. > Hmm. I've just downloaded the new 1.40 SparkFS but when I try to run > Freshen and drag my existing v1.39 to the window and click Start I > get the error message "Incorrect length for file !RunImage." and the > upgrade aborts. > I presume I must be doing something wrong this end, as I've not seen > any other comments about the problem. Any ideas? It worked for me... The !RunImage in my backup copy of V1.39 is 47375 bytes long. The upgrade itself, zipped, was 464901 bytes. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 13:37:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGEaN-0005M8-60-0005MZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:37:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGEaN-0005M8-60; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:36:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGEaN-0005M8-60; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:36:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGEaN-0005TU-Ld; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:36:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGEa3-0000Ef-R6; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:36:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99AZvR27779 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:35:57 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99AZvd27770 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:35:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20041009103303.NGRB28128.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:33:03 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:27:11 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sat 09 Oct, Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > SparkFS - upgrade 1.39 to 1.40 > > > http://www.davidpilling.net/sfs139.zip > > > Thankyou for continuing updates to your products. > > Hmm. I've just downloaded the new 1.40 SparkFS but when I try to run > Freshen and drag my existing v1.39 to the window and click Start I get the > error message "Incorrect length for file !RunImage." and the upgrade > aborts. > > I presume I must be doing something wrong this end, as I've not seen any > other comments about the problem. Any ideas? Not meaning to offend, I downloaded the file David posted the URL for and tried the upgrade with the result Paul saw. But my previous version was 1.38. When I downloaded the intermediate patch and went 1.38 >> 1.39 >> 1.40 it all worked fine. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 13:37:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGFW0-0003lK-Qb-0003m1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:37:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGFW0-0003lK-Qb; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:35:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGFW0-0003lK-Qb; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:35:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGFW0-0000jt-2A; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:35:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGFVa-0008B7-5K; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:35:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99BZKQ08296 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:35:20 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99BZJU08288 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:35:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGFVO-000MY1-9F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:35:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:35:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfb258145lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cfb1f06d3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4cfb1f06d3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfb1f06d3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > It worked for me... The !RunImage in my backup copy of V1.39 is 47375 > bytes long. The upgrade itself, zipped, was 464901 bytes. That's odd. The !RunImage file in my copy of v1.39 is 87,952 bytes long. The upgrade is the same length, but I guess that's ok because I can extract !Freshen from it ok. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ 101 uses for a Bill Gates: 5: A crash test dummy -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 13:37:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGFWv-0000I7-5Y-0000Il."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:37:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGFWv-0000I7-5Y; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:36:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGFWv-0000I7-5Y; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:36:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGFWv-00017H-Fa; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:36:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGFWT-0007xV-6m; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:36:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99BaKP08428 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:36:20 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99BaJl08425 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:36:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGFWN-000Mnq-7A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:36:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:36:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfb259689lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > Not meaning to offend, I downloaded the file David posted the URL for and > tried the upgrade with the result Paul saw. But my previous version was > 1.38. When I downloaded the intermediate patch and went 1.38 >> 1.39 >> > 1.40 it all worked fine. Hmm. I've only got v1.39 and I can't see a way of 'downgrading' either, as all the files on Davids site, upgrade from a previous version. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 13:37:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGFgA-0002Wz-9h-0002Xf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:37:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGFgA-0002Wz-9h; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:46:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGFgA-0002Wz-9h; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:46:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGFg9-0004j9-O9; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:46:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGFfw-0002tb-FC; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:46:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99Bk7E09687 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:46:07 +0100 Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99Bk6W09684 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:46:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([82.9.213.119]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041009114558.JOPZ26479.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:45:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:46:35 +0100 From: Alan Leighton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: References: <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4cfb259689lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cfb259689lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cfb259689lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> you wrote: > In article , > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > Not meaning to offend, I downloaded the file David posted the URL for and > > tried the upgrade with the result Paul saw. But my previous version was > > 1.38. When I downloaded the intermediate patch and went 1.38 >> 1.39 >> > > 1.40 it all worked fine. > > Hmm. I've only got v1.39 and I can't see a way of 'downgrading' either, as > all the files on Davids site, upgrade from a previous version. > would it be legit to send you a copy of the updated version as you already have 1,39? If so I will. Alan -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton Dean of Academic Studies St Augustine Theological Seminary Priory Lodge, Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 13:57:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGGdP-0001dL-I5-0001e6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:57:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGGdP-0001dL-I5; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:47:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGGdP-0001dL-I5; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:47:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGGdP-0003YW-Cb; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:47:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGGcx-0004vh-Gj; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:47:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99Cl0R17580 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:47:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99Cl0T17576 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:47:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGGcj-000ORN-1x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:46:57 +0000 Message-ID: <6Sbc4aB319ZBFwAr@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:45:43 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration References: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfaf175f2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfaf175f2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Do the choices max/min values also relate to the (same) dynamic area, >or are they for some other area of memory? Yes. The value in the run file sets the max size of the dynamic area, and the max value in choices sets the amount of that same dynamic area that you are prepared to use. The point is you set the max dynamic area size to the most you could conceivably use - 128MB, and you set choices max to the most you want to use at the moment. If you say "oh I have a 512MB Iyonix, and I might want SparkFS to use the lot", well just leave the settings alone, and forget this debate. >> I suppose ideally the max memory setting in the SparkFS choices >> window would also set the max size of the dynamic area. >Or vice versa? Not really because in that ideal strategy there would be no independent user controlled way of changing the dynamic area size. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 14:07:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGGuc-0002Uz-4o-0002Xb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:07:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGGuc-0002Uz-4o; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:05:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGGuc-0002Uz-4o; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:05:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGGuc-0000gz-Ac; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:05:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGGuG-00076f-HE; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:05:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99D4sf20253 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:04:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99D4sG20248 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:04:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGGv1-0009Ni-4r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:05:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:58:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfb2d2076Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfb258145lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> References: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4cfb1f06d3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfb258145lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfb258145lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <4cfb1f06d3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > It worked for me... The !RunImage in my backup copy of V1.39 is > > 47375 bytes long. The upgrade itself, zipped, was 464901 bytes. > That's odd. The !RunImage file in my copy of v1.39 is 87,952 bytes > long. I just went back and checked... definitely 47375, and the V140 one is only slightly larger, 49359 bytes. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 14:17:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGH2A-0003gT-KG-0003gx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:17:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGH2A-0003gT-KG; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:13:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGH2A-0003gT-KG; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:13:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGH2A-0004c0-3p; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:13:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGH20-0001vy-Oz; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:13:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99DCuA21253 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:12:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99DCuN21250 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:12:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGH1q-0007Vh-MO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:12:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:07:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfb2deefaJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6Sbc4aB319ZBFwAr@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfaf175f2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <6Sbc4aB319ZBFwAr@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6Sbc4aB319ZBFwAr@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Do the choices max/min values also relate to the (same) dynamic area, > >or are they for some other area of memory? > Yes. The value in the run file sets the max size of the dynamic area, > and the max value in choices sets the amount of that same dynamic > area that you are prepared to use. > The point is you set the max dynamic area size to the most you could > conceivably use - 128MB, and you set choices max to the most you want > to use at the moment. Ah, I see... Thanks! -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 14:37:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGHMN-0002dr-4F-0002ec."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:37:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGHMN-0002dr-4F; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:34:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGHMN-0002dr-4F; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:34:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGHMN-00052s-3o; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:34:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGHLz-0005Y2-Uc; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:33:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99DXX924307 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:33:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99DXWa24303 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:33:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGHMS-000Icd-Aw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:34:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:32:14 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration References: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Hmm. I've just downloaded the new 1.40 SparkFS but when I try to run >Freshen and drag my existing v1.39 to the window and click Start I get the >error message "Incorrect length for file !RunImage." and the upgrade aborts. Things that tend to happen are, you're patching the wrong version, or I've sent you a version which is between releases, or after a previous patch a file has not been re-squeezed. Other possibilities, a virus has tacked itself on to the file, your file system has changed the size, or you've done something to the file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 14:47:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGHZ7-0006hb-Jl-0006iO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:47:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGHZ7-0006hb-Jl; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:47:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGHZ7-0006hb-Jl; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:47:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGHZ6-0003l0-N3; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:47:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGHYL-0002dv-Qk; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:46:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99DkM026237 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:46:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99DkMI26234 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:46:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGHYD-000Azv-LT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:46:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:45:07 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration References: <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: M P Churchill In message <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> you wrote: > In article <4cfae3df8fJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > SparkFS - upgrade 1.39 to 1.40 > > > http://www.davidpilling.net/sfs139.zip > > > Thankyou for continuing updates to your products. > > Hmm. I've just downloaded the new 1.40 SparkFS but when I try to run > Freshen and drag my existing v1.39 to the window and click Start I get the > error message "Incorrect length for file !RunImage." and the upgrade aborts. > I found upon checking that I had 1.38 installed. I had to download the 1.38 to 1.39 upgrade and run that before doing 1.39 to 1.40 > I presume I must be doing something wrong this end, as I've not seen any > other comments about the problem. Any ideas? > After getting 1.39 installed, there were no problems here. -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 16:07:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGIlH-0003TF-75-0003Ti."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:07:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGIlH-0003TF-75; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:03:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGIlH-0003TF-75; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:03:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGIlG-0002dk-Tn; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:03:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGIl2-00048L-1C; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 16:03:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99F3R404767 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:03:27 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99F3Qh04763 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:03:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-1645.l1.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.6.109] helo=Phoebe) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CGIko-0004z6-PF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 16:03:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 16:03:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > I'm having a little problem with the new Zip filetype. I did the changes > myself to 1.39 shortly after RISCOS Ltd. introduced this new filetype. I > had the same problem by then, but I thought it was due to my > incompetence. But now the same is true for the official 1.40. The problem > is this: > When double-clicking on a &DDC attachment in Pluto it flawlessly opens in > SparkFS having been copied to .Pluto with a unique random > name first. With the new &A91 filetype this doesn't work anymore. When > double-clicking on a &A91 attachment, Pluto tells me: > File '....!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ID70136b01.Pluto.fb0af291' not found > But looking into that directory, that file is present and is correctly > filetyped &A91. And double-clicking it there opens it fine in SparkFS. > Is there any difference in SparkFS how &DDC and &A91 are handled w.r.t. > to opening them? How can I further track down the problem and fix it? I have noticed a possible mistake in !SparkFS.!Boot, surely the line: Set Alias$@RunType_A91 SparkFSFiler_OpenDir %%*0 should read: Set Alias$@RunType_A91 Run .!Run %%*0 as here at least with the line in the as supplied state, I get an error box pop up saying SparkFSFiler_OpenDir not found. Which it wouldn't have if SparkFS hasn't been run at that time. -- Can I draw you a beer, Norm? No, I know what they look like. Just pour me one. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 18:57:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGLNu-0003I5-CY-0003J0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:57:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGLNu-0003I5-CY; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:51:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGLNu-0003I5-CY; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:51:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGLNu-0005oN-Mq; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:51:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGLNc-00022q-5l; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 18:51:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99HpPH28784 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:51:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99HpOs28780 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:51:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGLOI-0005Yv-3l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:52:22 +0000 Message-ID: <78A8DEHWTCaBFwqa@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:50:14 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have noticed a possible mistake in !SparkFS.!Boot, surely the line: >Set Alias$@RunType_A91 SparkFSFiler_OpenDir %%*0 > >should read: >Set Alias$@RunType_A91 Run .!Run %%*0 Yes, you're quite right. I'll go change it. Sorry. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 21:17:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGNd4-0000Tq-BM-0000UZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:17:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGNd4-0000Tq-BM; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:15:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGNd4-0000Tq-BM; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:15:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGNd4-0006AK-8U; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:15:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGNce-0002Mj-LS; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:15:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99KE7014145 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:14:07 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB83A.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.184.58]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99KE6t14142 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:14:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CGNbI-0003jD-00 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:13:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:14:14 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfb54fc9csbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <78A8DEHWTCaBFwqa@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <78A8DEHWTCaBFwqa@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > >I have noticed a possible mistake in !SparkFS.!Boot, surely the line: > >Set Alias$@RunType_A91 SparkFSFiler_OpenDir %%*0 > > > >should read: > >Set Alias$@RunType_A91 Run .!Run %%*0 > Yes, you're quite right. I'll go change it. Sorry. But this doesn't solve my problem. :-( -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 22:07:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGOJC-000603-Lx-00060U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:07:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGOJC-000603-Lx; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:59:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGOJC-000603-Lx; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:59:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGOJC-0003PK-Kv; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:59:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGOJ0-00038j-1m; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:59:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99Kwhj18943 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:58:43 +0100 Received: from mta10-svc.ntlworld.com (mta10-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.94]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99Kwa218930 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:58:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by mta10-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20041009205711.KNPZ20770.mta10-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:57:11 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:39:38 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4cfb2d2076Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sat 09 Oct, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4cfb258145lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com>, > Paul Vigay wrote: > > In article <4cfb1f06d3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > > It worked for me... The !RunImage in my backup copy of V1.39 is > > > 47375 bytes long. The upgrade itself, zipped, was 464901 bytes. > > > That's odd. The !RunImage file in my copy of v1.39 is 87,952 bytes > > long. > > I just went back and checked... definitely 47375, and the V140 one is > only slightly larger, 49359 bytes. !RunImage file sizes here are: 1.37 47103 1.38 47103 1.39 87976 that's 24 bytes bigger than Paul's which is failing 1.40 91320 I started today with 1.38 as the current version and upgraded from the to 1.39 and then to 1.40 so am confident that the updater for 1.39 to 1.40 is looking for the 87976 !RunImage Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 22:17:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGOT0-0003GG-MA-0003Go."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:17:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGOT0-0003GG-MA; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:09:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGOT0-0003GG-MA; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:09:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGOT0-0003x8-L4; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:09:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGOST-0008Jd-5r; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:08:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99L3FO19979 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:03:15 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99L3EA19976 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:03:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGOMr-000NrH-JO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:03:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:01:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >changes myself to 1.39 shortly after RISCOS Ltd. introduced this new >filetype. Yes the changes I have made have the same effect as those anyone could have made themselves. And this may be useful because users could go back to DDC for Zip files if they wanted to. > I had the same problem by then, but I thought it was due to >Is there any difference in SparkFS how &DDC and &A91 are handled w.r.t. >to opening them? How can I further track down the problem and fix it? I'd say there is no difference. I messed up !Boot, but once SparkFS has been run that problem no longer exists. My guess would be that Pluto knows something about DDC files, but does not know the same about A91's. I wonder how you'd go on with a Tar file or other archive type? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 22:37:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGOmy-0005nn-Jz-0005ox."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:37:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGOmy-0005nn-Jz; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:30:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGOmy-0005nn-Jz; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:30:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGOmx-0002xZ-Vm; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:30:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGOmP-0005VB-6x; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:29:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99LNQl22296 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:23:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99LNKV22289 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:23:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGOgS-000PiT-Jk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:23:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:22:16 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration References: <4cfb2d2076Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >1.39 87976 that's 24 bytes bigger than Paul's which is failing I've sent Paul a complete 1.40, still be interesting if there's a general problem... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 9 23:48:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGPz2-0003X5-JN-0003Xc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:48:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGPz2-0003X5-JN; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:46:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGPz2-0003X5-JN; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:46:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGPz1-0004yQ-QP; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:46:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGPyi-0005sm-SU; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:46:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99MjcM31998 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:45:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99MjW931987 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:45:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGPxk-000Kl3-8a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:45:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:46:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfb62e54alists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4cfb2d2076Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > I've sent Paul a complete 1.40, still be interesting if there's a general > problem... That's odd. Nothing received as of 11:45pm Which address did you sent it to? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Nothing in the known universe travels faster than a bad cheque. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 10 00:28:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGQYP-0003J5-FW-0003KT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:28:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGQYP-0003J5-FW; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:23:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGQYP-0003J5-FW; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:23:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGQYP-0001PN-Ka; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:23:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGQYE-0008An-8n; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:22:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99NMog04341 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:22:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99NMo704337 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:22:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGQY5-0009Gd-D2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:22:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:13:57 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfb6570d0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4cfb2d2076Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sat 09 Oct, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > In article <4cfb258145lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com>, > > Paul Vigay wrote: > > > In article <4cfb1f06d3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > > > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > > > > It worked for me... The !RunImage in my backup copy of V1.39 is > > > > 47375 bytes long. The upgrade itself, zipped, was 464901 bytes. > > > > > That's odd. The !RunImage file in my copy of v1.39 is 87,952 bytes > > > long. > > > > I just went back and checked... definitely 47375, and the V140 one is > > only slightly larger, 49359 bytes. > !RunImage file sizes here are: > 1.37 47103 > 1.38 47103 > 1.39 87976 that's 24 bytes bigger than Paul's which is failing > 1.40 91320 > I started today with 1.38 as the current version and upgraded from > the to 1.39 and then to 1.40 so am confident that the updater for > 1.39 to 1.40 is looking for the 87976 !RunImage So, do I have the right code (at 47K or so), or do you (at nearly twice that)? How can we tell? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 10 00:38:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGQgm-00036z-MV-00037k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:38:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGQgm-00036z-MV; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:31:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGQgm-00036z-MV; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:31:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGQgm-0004g8-Or; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:31:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGQge-0004js-OR; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:31:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99NVZq05446 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:31:35 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99NVZQ05443 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:31:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGQgY-000NWP-MW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:31:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:30:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration References: <4cfb2d2076Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfb62e54alists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cfb62e54alists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >That's odd. Nothing received as of 11:45pm >Which address did you sent it to? paul@vigay.com at about 3pm Sat. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 10 00:38:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGQik-00043d-R3-00044e."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:38:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGQik-00043d-R3; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:33:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGQik-00043d-R3; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:33:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGQik-00075r-5b; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:33:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGQiZ-0004VV-Vh; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:33:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i99NXbj05774 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:33:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i99NXbX05768 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:33:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGQiW-000374-1b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:33:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:32:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration References: <4cfb2d2076Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfb6570d0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfb6570d0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> >the V140 one is >> > only slightly larger, 49359 bytes. The above is right. >So, do I have the right code (at 47K or so), or do you (at nearly twice >that)? How can we tell? A factor of 2 would suggest squeezing is not taking place correctly. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 10 01:28:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGRXv-0005WZ-QL-0005XY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:28:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGRXv-0005WZ-QL; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:26:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGRXv-0005WZ-QL; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:26:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGRXu-0002ss-Tq; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:26:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGRXb-0004uo-CP; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:26:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9A0QAD11488 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:26:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9A0QAg11485 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:26:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGRXN-000A0B-9W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:26:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:26:47 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfb6c1bd0lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4cfb2d2076Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfb62e54alists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > paul@vigay.com > at about 3pm Sat. Aha. Thanks. That's a disused email address (but still works, by forwarding to my hotmail account - which I don't check that frequently). I'll go and check it now. Best address to contact me at now is nospam@vigay.com Thanks. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Shareware signature - after you've read it, please post £10.00 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 10 14:11:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGY4b-0004yc-7E-0004z5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:11:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGY4b-0004yc-7E; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:24:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGY4b-0004yc-7E; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:24:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGY4b-0000Ao-0r; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:24:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGY3j-0003La-Or; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:23:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9A7JAk09628 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:19:10 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB0EC.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.176.236]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9A7J9u09624 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:19:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CGXz1-0000nl-00 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:19:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:19:00 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > I'd say there is no difference. I messed up !Boot, but once SparkFS > has been run that problem no longer exists. My guess would be that > Pluto knows something about DDC files, but does not know the same > about A91's. I wonder how you'd go on with a Tar file or other > archive type? Hm, you're right. Tar archives show the same effect than the new Zip ones. Gzipped tar files however work as expected again (i.e. they're gunzipped and then opened). -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 10 14:11:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGYsr-0002YP-RH-0002aa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:11:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGYsr-0002YP-RH; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:16:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGYsr-0002YP-RH; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:16:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGYsr-000791-8e; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:16:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGYsX-0004ur-8c; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:16:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9A8GKm16476 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:16:20 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9A8GKT16473 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:16:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-5655.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.77.214.23] helo=Phoebe) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CGYsN-0006fm-RU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:16:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:11:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfb96a128mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > I'd say there is no difference. I messed up !Boot, but once SparkFS has > > been run that problem no longer exists. My guess would be that Pluto > > knows something about DDC files, but does not know the same about > > A91's. I wonder how you'd go on with a Tar file or other archive type? > Hm, you're right. Tar archives show the same effect than the new Zip > ones. Gzipped tar files however work as expected again (i.e. they're > gunzipped and then opened). What does your mimemap file show for application/zip and application/x-tar? -- Beer, Normie? Uh, Coach, I dunno, I had one this week. Eh, why not, I'm still young. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Oct 10 14:11:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGcSm-0006VI-Eu-0006Vr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:11:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGcSm-0006VI-Eu; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:06:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGcSm-0006VI-Eu; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:06:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGcSm-0006fh-Dt; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:06:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGcSZ-0006dv-Ox; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:05:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9AC5cX15073 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:05:38 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB0EC.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.176.236]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9AC5bJ15068 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:05:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CGcSG-0002sm-00 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:05:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:05:30 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfbac1444sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cfb96a128mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb96a128mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Mark Fraser wrote: > In article <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > Hm, you're right. Tar archives show the same effect than the new > > Zip ones. Gzipped tar files however work as expected again (i.e. > > they're gunzipped and then opened). > What does your mimemap file show for application/zip and > application/x-tar? application/zip ZIP a91 .zip application/zip Archive ddc .arc .spk .lha .arj .lzh application/x-tar tar c46 .tar -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGfWi-0007Zf-H8-0007aP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGfWi-0007Zf-H8; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:22:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGfWi-0007Zf-H8; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:22:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGfWi-00054u-4I; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:22:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGfWL-00081W-6n; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:22:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9AFLCp07425 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:21:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9AFLB307421 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:21:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGfVW-0008k4-Lu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:21:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:14:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfbbd6a7dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfb54fc9csbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <78A8DEHWTCaBFwqa@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cfb54fc9csbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfb54fc9csbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > >I have noticed a possible mistake in !SparkFS.!Boot, surely the > > >line: Set Alias$@RunType_A91 SparkFSFiler_OpenDir %%*0 > > > > > >should read: > > >Set Alias$@RunType_A91 Run .!Run %%*0 > > Yes, you're quite right. I'll go change it. Sorry. > But this doesn't solve my problem. :-( No... Pluto sends Message_DataOpen for whatever you double-click on (seen via !WimpMon) but doesn't seem to issue a Run or Filer_Run (at least !Reporter doesn't show it happening). So I suppose that unless the SparkFS filer wimp application is running these files are just ignored. How does SparkFS know which filetypes it will respond to these messages for? Does it depend on Alias$@RunType_xxx vars, or is there something else in SparkFS that configures the filetypes it knows about? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGfr9-0004VQ-CM-0004WK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGfr9-0004VQ-CM; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:43:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGfr9-0004VQ-CM; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:43:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGfr9-0002eU-L4; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:43:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGfr0-00023B-1l; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:43:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9AFhDu10283 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:43:13 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB0EC.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.176.236]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9AFhDI10280 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:43:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CGfqq-0004k9-00 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:43:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:43:16 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfbc003ecsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cfbbd6a7dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <78A8DEHWTCaBFwqa@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cfb54fc9csbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbbd6a7dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > So I suppose that unless the SparkFS filer wimp application is > running these files are just ignored. I have SparkFS always running. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGguR-0002Nr-HN-0002Pk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGguR-0002Nr-HN; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:51:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGguR-0002Nr-HN; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:50:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGguR-000179-6w; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:50:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGguG-0007Y7-Ry; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:50:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9AGod619140 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:50:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9AGocC19137 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:50:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGgu5-000E8v-EO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:50:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:48:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfbc607bcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfbc003ecsbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <78A8DEHWTCaBFwqa@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cfb54fc9csbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbbd6a7dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfbc003ecsbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfbc003ecsbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > So I suppose that unless the SparkFS filer wimp application is > > running these files are just ignored. > I have SparkFS always running. Ah, well... !SparkFS.Config.AtExit doesn't contain anything relevant to A91 files but does have a line for DDC, which seems odd. And there are lots of ddc entries in !SparkFS.Config.Extensions but no A91 ones. DDC is in .NoCo too, but there's no A91 entry but I don't know if ther should be. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGhQJ-0007hF-4R-0007hp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGhQJ-0007hF-4R; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:23:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGhQJ-0007hF-4R; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:23:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGhQJ-0004ln-7C; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:23:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGhPx-0003kO-50; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:23:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9AHNRp23488 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:23:27 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB0EC.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.176.236]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9AHNQH23483 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:23:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CGhPp-0005rD-00 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:23:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:23:33 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfbc93238sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cfbc607bcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <78A8DEHWTCaBFwqa@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cfb54fc9csbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbbd6a7dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfbc003ecsbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbc607bcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4cfbc003ecsbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > So I suppose that unless the SparkFS filer wimp application is > > > running these files are just ignored. > > I have SparkFS always running. > Ah, well... !SparkFS.Config.AtExit doesn't contain anything relevant > to A91 files but does have a line for DDC, which seems odd. And there > are lots of ddc entries in !SparkFS.Config.Extensions but no A91 ones. > DDC is in .NoCo too, but there's no A91 entry but I don't know if ther > should be. You may find it interesting to know that I already had added those A91 entries into those files. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 19 17:36:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGhaM-0003Dq-Jh-0003Dt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGhaM-0003Dq-Jh; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:34:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGhaM-0003Dq-Jh for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:34:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGhaL-0007cP-WB for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:34:18 +0000 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGhay-000AME-BN for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:34:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:29:13 +0100 Subject: CrossStar question Message-ID: <4cfbc9b747Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm fairly certain I've asked you this before, but I can't find a copy of the relevant mails... I use CrossStar (V2.12) a lot, as I'm seriously interested in cryptic crosswords. I find it inconvenient though that I can't save a list of solution words out as a textfile, either because I want to lookup a bunch of them in a dictionary (or via *dict) or because I want to examine long lists of words for possible partial anagrams (eg when you suspect that an answer is an anagram of several words/letters present in a clue but you only know its length and the position of a few letters). How difficult would it be to add such a save option to CrossStar? I could tempt you with a modest amount of cash if that would help... I did just notice something else that's odd (a bugette perhaps?). I don't care much about it because saving the "clues" entered in the grid is not something I expect to do often, but I tried such a save and got: Clues across. 1. elephant 16. e 17. monkey 18. u 19. rabbit 20. 21. which looked wrong, and the reason is that the listed numbers are not right-justified into the same-width columns. That is, that should look like: 1. elephant 16. e 17. monkey 18. u 19. rabbit 20. 21. Of course it's trivial to fix in an editor... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGhsk-0007Nr-Ed-0007OD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGhsk-0007Nr-Ed; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:53:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGhsk-0007Nr-Ed; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:53:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGhsk-0004Yf-AK; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:53:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGhsa-00045U-Fo; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:53:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9AHqui26944 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:52:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9AHqul26941 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:52:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGhsM-000B2o-MV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:52:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:44:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfbcb251eJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfbc93238sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <78A8DEHWTCaBFwqa@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cfb54fc9csbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbbd6a7dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfbc003ecsbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbc607bcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfbc93238sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfbc93238sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > You may find it interesting to know that I already had added those A91 > entries into those files. Yes, pity you hadn't told us... It'd have been nice if that had fixed it. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGjwJ-0005Jv-4h-0005KS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGjwJ-0005Jv-4h; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:05:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGjwJ-0005Jv-4h; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:05:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGjwJ-0000Dv-8v; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:05:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGjw2-00059r-Rd; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:04:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9AK4Se19047 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:04:28 +0100 Received: from mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com (mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.85.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9AK4Rr19042 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:04:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from btopenworld (213.122.44.130) by mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016) (authenticated as jades@jades.org) id 415949D9008FD785 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:04:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 19:58:53 +0100 From: Graham Thurlwell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade Message-ID: References: <4cf9d7afa9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf9d7afa9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Jades' FFE Site (http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_48_96,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On the 6 Oct 2004, John Cartmell wrote: > On 06 Oct, John Grogan wrote: > > Although the new versions of the fonts seem to work fine when copied > > into the standard Fonts folder, I have had problems trying to instal > > them into EasyFontPro. The following is a copy of the message I sent to > > APDL last week: > > > Iyonix RiscOS v5.07 EasyFontPro v5.12 Reg No 02320 DrFonty v1.44 > They all work OK in EasyFont Pro 5.04 on RO 4.02 here. Ditto EFPro 5.05 on our Omega running Select 3i4 here. -- Graham Thurlwell. Jades' First Encounters Site. http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGkXW-0000DU-Kg-0000Ec."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGkXW-0000DU-Kg; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:43:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGkXW-0000DU-Kg; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:43:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGkXW-0003ol-7h; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:43:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGkXO-0006II-Su; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:43:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9AKhGu27642 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:43:16 +0100 Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9AKhGR27631 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:43:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-194-46.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.194.46]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D673E000156 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:43:14 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:30:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfbda599esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4cfbac1444sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb96a128mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <4cfbac1444sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 10 Oct, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > In article <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de>, > > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > Hm, you're right. Tar archives show the same effect than the new > > > Zip ones. Gzipped tar files however work as expected again (i.e. > > > they're gunzipped and then opened). > > What does your mimemap file show for application/zip and > > application/x-tar? > application/zip ZIP a91 .zip > application/zip Archive ddc .arc .spk .lha .arj .lzh > application/x-tar tar c46 .tar Nothing silly like having more than one mimemap type file in your system I suppose? (The kind of mistake I used to make, until I decided that whatever the resource there should be only one copy - including for Confix contrary to Castles habit...) -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGkXh-0002pn-5k-0002qQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGkXh-0002pn-5k; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:43:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGkXh-0002pn-5k; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:43:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGkXh-00053w-Jc; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:43:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGkXP-0003ts-0t; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:43:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9AKhH827646 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:43:17 +0100 Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9AKhGv27638 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:43:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-194-46.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.194.46]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40905E000157 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:43:15 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:33:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration Message-ID: <4cfbda9e29steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4cfb196e51lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4cfb259689lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 09 Oct, Alan Leighton wrote: > would it be legit to send you a copy of the updated version > as you already have 1,39? If so I will. Let the author do it - he's part of the conversation... :-) -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:12 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGm5Z-0001Io-74-0001JA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGm5Z-0001Io-74; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:22:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGm5Z-0001Io-74; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:22:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGm5Y-0000Pe-WC; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:22:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGm57-0001Qa-Go; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:22:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9AMLx312653 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:21:59 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB0EC.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.176.236]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9AMLwe12649 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:21:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CGm4j-0008QE-00 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:21:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:21:54 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfbe482fasbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cfbda599esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb96a128mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <4cfbac1444sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbda599esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Steven Pampling wrote: > On 10 Oct, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > Mark Fraser wrote: > > > What does your mimemap file show for application/zip and > > > application/x-tar? > > application/zip ZIP a91 .zip > > application/zip Archive ddc .arc .spk .lha .arj .lzh > > application/x-tar tar c46 .tar > Nothing silly like having more than one mimemap type file in your > system I suppose? No, in fact, I checked the output of *mimemap and only pasted the content of the MimeMap file because it is more readable. But am I right in assuming that all you other Pluto users can double-click on attached files of the types &A91 and &C46 in Pluto and SparkFS opens them correctly? -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGmxd-0001u8-4M-0001uv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGmxd-0001u8-4M; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:18:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGmxd-0001u8-4M; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:18:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGmxd-0001cw-6N; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:18:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGmx2-0004hY-8i; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:18:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9ANHZ219332 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:17:35 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9ANHZM19328 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:17:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CGmwX-000GVm-Mr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:17:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:17:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfbe99574evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfbe482fasbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb96a128mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <4cfbac1444sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbda599esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4cfbe482fasbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfbe482fasbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > But am I right in assuming that all you other Pluto users can > double-click on attached files of the types &A91 and &C46 in Pluto > and SparkFS opens them correctly? No, I'm getting exactly the same behaviour as you have reported. Evan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CGopy-00056T-Ky-00056j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CGopy-00056T-Ky; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:18:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGopy-00056T-Ky; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:18:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CGopy-0004cX-7N; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:18:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CGopq-0007gX-Kb; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:18:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9B1IVQ02491 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:18:31 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9B1IUU02487 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:18:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGopZ-000Ovh-2O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:18:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:07:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfbf3ac45Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfbe482fasbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb96a128mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <4cfbac1444sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbda599esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4cfbe482fasbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfbe482fasbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > But am I right in assuming that all you other Pluto users can double- > click on attached files of the types &A91 and &C46 in Pluto and > SparkFS opens them correctly? No, I get the error you reported, when SparkFS (filer) is active, and errors on both filetypes when SparkFS (filer) is not active. Even in the latter situation, since the SparkFS module is still loaded I think I might have expected the archives to be openable. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CH4ZN-0007ZY-JO-0007aJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CH4ZN-0007ZY-JO; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:06:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CH4ZN-0007ZY-JO; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:06:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CH4ZM-0001jo-Nb; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:06:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CH4Z6-00054c-IR; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:06:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9BI69e06087 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:06:09 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9BI69m06084 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:06:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=36111 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CH4Yi-0005He-S4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:06:08 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55066 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CH4Yg-0005Oh-Q7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:06:06 +0200 Message-ID: <001c01c4afbc$fe29ef10$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <000701c4a620$854c4930$6502a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:06:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:33 PM , Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:15 PM , > Richard Watkinson wrote: > >>> You may recognise them as being the same as the fonts recently >>> released for the Windows version of Ovation Pro (see >>> http://www.davidpilling.net/fonts.html). Users of Ovation Pro now >>> have a set of fonts they can use on both RISC OS and Windows. >>> > > .... >> Question: >> >> Is it possible to get the Truetype version of these fonts to use in >> Oregano? >> > > I tried in the demo of Oregano2. .... Snipped the rather complicated way as I described ... On the website of XAT Technology, there are updates of ConFiX, as also used by !Oregano2 http://www.xat.nl/en/riscos/sw/confix/index.htm !ConfiX version 0.82 (15 Sep 2004) 134K ZIP file This is the most recent version of the program. Now with resources in English, Dutch, German and French. Suitable for RISC OS 3.10 onwards (including RISC OS 5). But also additions to make adding TrueType fonts easy. With these additions, it now only takes to copy the wanted fonts to the Fonts folder in Oregano as they are found in Windows. http://www.xat.nl/en/riscos/sw/oregano/index.htm !TT2O2 (TrueType To Oregano2) version 0.05 (05 Apr 2003), 18Kb Oregano2 uses TrueType fonts, as found on most other platforms, for rendering text on its pages, rather than the standard RISC OS fonts. Free TrueType fonts can be found in many places on the web, but they will generally not be in the correct format for use by Oregano2. This utility !TT2O2 will convert any TrueType into the correct naming scheme for use by Oregano2 and will also store it in the required folder inside Oregano2. New _Config file for Oregano2 (05 Apr 2003), 6kb This is a upgrade to Oregano2 to allow all TrueType fonts to be displayed in the font menus. It also works happily in the demo of !Oregano2. That is the demo, that I used. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CH63O-0004Zx-EQ-0004fS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CH63O-0004Zx-EQ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:41:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CH63O-0004Zx-EQ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:41:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CH63O-0004Pv-5Y; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:41:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CH63E-00050T-Rc; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:41:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9BJfRD24608 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:41:27 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9BJfQ024601 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:41:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20041011194155.OQHH19539.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:41:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:40:26 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS V140 memory configuration To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4cfb6570d0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sun 10 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >In on Sun 10 Oct, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > In article , > > Anthony Hilton wrote: In > > > on Sat 09 Oct, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: In article > > > > <4cfb258145lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com>, > > > > Paul Vigay wrote: In article > > > > > <4cfb1f06d3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > > > > > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It worked for me... The !RunImage in my backup copy of V1.39 is > > > > > > 47375 bytes long. The upgrade itself, zipped, was 464901 bytes. > > > > > > > > > That's odd. The !RunImage file in my copy of v1.39 is 87,952 bytes > > > > > long. > > The above is right. > > > > > > > > > I just went back and checked... definitely 47375, and the V140 one is > > > > only slightly larger, 49359 bytes. > > > > > !RunImage file sizes here are: > > > 1.37 47103 > > > 1.38 47103 > > > 1.39 87976 that's 24 bytes bigger than Paul's which is failing > > > 1.40 91320 > > > > > I started today with 1.38 as the current version and upgraded from > > > the to 1.39 and then to 1.40 so am confident that the updater for > > > 1.39 to 1.40 is looking for the 87976 !RunImage > > > > So, do I have the right code (at 47K or so), or do you (at nearly twice > > that)? How can we tell? > > > > A factor of 2 would suggest squeezing is not taking place correctly. So from the file sizes I quoted above the upgrade from 1.38 to 1.39 didn't squeeze the result, the upgrade from 1.39 to 1.40 was happy with teh unsqueezed input and also didn't squeeze the result. I downloaded the patches, unzipped them to RAM disc before unloading !SparkFS in readiness for patching th application. Is the problem likely to be with my setup - SA RiscPC, RISC OS 4.39 (Adjust 1i2), 50Mb RAM - or with the routine I used? If so should I take any action to get squeezed versions of the !Runimage? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHNUl-0000yn-LW-0000zj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHNUl-0000yn-LW; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:19:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHNUl-0000yn-LW; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:19:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHNUl-0007Pi-Bu; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:19:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CHNUC-0001XX-KX; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:18:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9CEIH020790 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:18:17 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9CEIGC20780 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:18:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0164.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.48.164] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CHNTj-00055C-00 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:18:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:43:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 and Laser printing. Message-ID: <4cfcbcb462mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Just updated my copy of Ovation Pro to v2.75 and now have a problem when trying to print on my Kyocera laser 3750 when I click on - print - it just freezes where by I have to do a Alt Break at this point the Printers will Quit. But I have found if I go Print Setup -> Separation -> Screen, and un-tick PostScript Screen all seems to be ok. But when I go back to the old version of Ovation Pro all is right with no problems printing. My Computer Kinetic RiscPC, with OS 4.04 and 134 Mb memory, Window manager version 4.16, with Castle DMA32 SCSI Interface, Also Simtec USB Card. Is any one else noticed this with the new version of Ovation Pro. Best Regards, Mick Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHUQV-0005Oh-3r-0005PT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHUQV-0005Oh-3r; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:43:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHUQV-0005Oh-3r; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:43:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHUQU-0005Ok-V6; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:43:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CHUQC-0008Of-PI; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:43:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9CLgfQ15509 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:42:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9CLgf615506 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:42:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CHUQO-000DGg-Bc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:43:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:41:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 and Laser printing. Message-ID: <4cfce881f2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfcbcb462mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> References: <4cfcbcb462mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfcbcb462mmartin@zetnet.co.uk>, Michael M Martin wrote: > Just updated my copy of Ovation Pro to v2.75 and now have a problem > when trying to print on my Kyocera laser 3750 when I click on - print > - it just freezes where by I have to do a Alt Break at this point the > Printers will Quit. > But I have found if I go Print Setup -> Separation -> Screen, and > un-tick PostScript Screen all seems to be ok. > But when I go back to the old version of Ovation Pro all is right > with no problems printing. If you take a very simple document - eg an A4 page containing just one word, and try to print it to a file, uing the old version of OP, and then again (to another file) with the new version, what's different about the two files? Do both files get created ok? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHVwy-0006jK-Qy-0006ky."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHVwy-0006jK-Qy; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:21:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHVwy-0006jK-Qy; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:21:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHVwy-0006vl-34; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:21:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CHVwV-0000i4-T4; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:20:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9CNKAs28966 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:20:10 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9CNK9P28963 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:20:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0122.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.48.122] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CHVw8-0006bF-00 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:20:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:13:44 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 and Laser printing. Message-ID: <4cfcf0edd4mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfce881f2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4cfcbcb462mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> <4cfce881f2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfce881f2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4cfcbcb462mmartin@zetnet.co.uk>, > Michael M Martin wrote: > > Just updated my copy of Ovation Pro to v2.75 and now have a problem > > when trying to print on my Kyocera laser 3750 when I click on - > > print - it just freezes where by I have to do a Alt Break at this > > point the Printers will Quit. > > But I have found if I go Print Setup -> Separation -> Screen, and > > un-tick PostScript Screen all seems to be ok. > > But when I go back to the old version of Ovation Pro all is right > > with no problems printing. > If you take a very simple document - eg an A4 page containing just one > word, and try to print it to a file, uing the old version of OP, and > then again (to another file) with the new version, what's different > about the two files? Do both files get created ok? I have now found the problem, at least I have got it working now by taking out the ! at the start Sprites what I put into the line in the Ovation Pro Boot file, but how that cured the problem I cannot say. Here is the Line in the Boot file what David Pilling said to alter in a email to the group on the 28 Sep 2004. ------------ In !OvnPro.!Boot, the (very long) line; If "" >= "500" Then IconSprites .5Sprites Else If "" >= "400" Then IconSprites .4Sprites Else IconSprites .!Sprites is correct as show above. In other words, insert a ! before the last Sprites in the line. You only need do this if you are having problems. -------------------- I have now tried this four times with the ! in the Boot file and on each of the test prints it failed, by taking the ! out in the Boot file then I could get it to work with no problems. So to me the problem seems to be in that line. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHaCK-0006o9-4C-0006ob."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHaCK-0006o9-4C; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 03:53:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHaCK-0006o9-4C; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 03:53:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHaCK-0002Zi-3q; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 03:53:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CHaBy-0005JB-Ck; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 04:52:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9D3qU631579 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 04:52:30 +0100 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (newman.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9D3qSC31574 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 04:52:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B09127DB0 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:52:25 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:53:58 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. Message-ID: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, While this oddity does not affect the printed result or the document content it certainly looks odd on the screen (Iyonix RICOS 5.07). If I have, somewhere on the page I am looking at, a line in a bold font and then I delete the line below that, the whole of the page above - and the two lines below the bold text are not exactly rendered in bold - but look as though they have lines a pixel or so too wide. Quite weird actually - but a redraw gets rid of it. Has anyone else noticed this? Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From mmartin@zetnet.co.uk Tue Oct 19 17:36:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHc3k-00009a-Fw-00009e."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHc3k-00009a-Fw; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:52:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHc3k-00009a-Fw for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:52:24 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHc3k-0000xr-OR for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:52:24 +0000 Received: from bts-0074.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.48.74] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CHc3j-0003Ny-00 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:52:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:51:00 +0100 Subject: Ovation Pro 2.75 and Laser printer Message-ID: <4cfd154cd1mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: mmartin@zetnet.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello David, I feel I have found the problem for my Printing from Ovation Pro, with my Kyocera Laser 3750 after I click on Print, and it freezes the print job where by I have to do Alt Break. On the 28 Sep 2004 you sent a email to the group with a cure for some other problem where you where saying about the ! in the Boot File, see below. ------------------ Thanks to the people who have pointed out the solution. In !OvnPro.!Boot, the (very long) line; If "" >= "500" Then IconSprites .5Sprites Else If "" >= "400" Then IconSprites .4Sprites Else IconSprites .!Sprites is correct as show above. In other words, insert a ! before the last Sprites in the line. You only need do this if you are having problems. ------------------------------------ I put the above ! into the Boot file, and found that I have now got a Print problem with Ovation Pro, by taking out the ! at the end of the Line cures the print problem, So I thought I would test this out by Putting the ! back into the Boot file and my printing problem returned. By taking it out the Printing work ok, do you have a clue to how this is affecting the printer. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHeRh-0004tX-G2-0004uc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHeRh-0004tX-G2; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:25:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHeRh-0004tX-G2; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:25:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHeRh-00035R-Lq; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:25:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CHeRK-0003fH-IB; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:24:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9D8OaJ12495 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:24:36 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.191]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9D8Oah12490 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:24:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CHeR2-0005gy-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:24:36 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.1] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CHeR1-0008Ps-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:24:35 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:53:41 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 and Laser printing. Message-ID: <3c8820fd4c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <4cfcbcb462mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> <4cfce881f2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfcf0edd4mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfcf0edd4mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cfcf0edd4mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> Michael M Martin wrote: > In article <4cfce881f2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > In article <4cfcbcb462mmartin@zetnet.co.uk>, > > Michael M Martin wrote: > > > Just updated my copy of Ovation Pro to v2.75 and now have a problem > > > when trying to print on my Kyocera laser 3750 when I click on - > > > print - it just freezes where by I have to do a Alt Break at this > > > point the Printers will Quit. > > > > But I have found if I go Print Setup -> Separation -> Screen, and > > > un-tick PostScript Screen all seems to be ok. > > > > But when I go back to the old version of Ovation Pro all is right > > > with no problems printing. > > > If you take a very simple document - eg an A4 page containing just one > > word, and try to print it to a file, uing the old version of OP, and > > then again (to another file) with the new version, what's different > > about the two files? Do both files get created ok? > > I have now found the problem, at least I have got it working now by > taking out the ! at the start Sprites what I put into the line in the > Ovation Pro Boot file, but how that cured the problem I cannot say. > > [...] > I have now tried this four times with the ! in the Boot file and on > each of the test prints it failed, by taking the ! out in the Boot file > then I could get it to work with no problems. This is bizarre because on your system (RISC OS 4 - what is RISC OS 4.04 by the way?), it does not make the slightest bit of difference whether there is a ! at that position or not. Actually, you could delete the end of that line altogether - it is not even executed, it is only there for RISC OS 3. Unless, of course, your boot sequence is broken. What does *Show Boot$OSVersion in a TaskWindow display? If that tiny change to the !Boot file makes a difference, this must be a very coincidental ripple effect of a far more serious problem that needs investigation. Basically, if adding that completely irrelevant character can break printing from OvationPro, then anything you do can break any application. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHh6O-0004kD-Ss-0004lm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHh6O-0004kD-Ss; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:15:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHh6O-0004kD-Ss; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:15:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHh6O-0007bD-ND; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:15:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CHh5l-00036k-1V; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:14:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9DBERg02140 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:14:27 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9DBER102134 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:14:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0210.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.48.210] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CHh5O-0005zb-00 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:14:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:12:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 and Laser printing. Message-ID: <4cfd32bb1dmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3c8820fd4c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <4cfcbcb462mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> <4cfce881f2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cfcf0edd4mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> <3c8820fd4c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <3c8820fd4c.martin@bach.mw-software.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > This is bizarre because on your system (RISC OS 4 - what is RISC OS > 4.04 by the way?), it does not make the slightest bit of difference > whether there is a ! at that position or not. Actually, you could > delete the end of that line altogether - it is not even executed, it > is only there for RISC OS 3. Unless, of course, your boot sequence is > broken. What does > *Show Boot$OSVersion > in a TaskWindow display? It shows the version in the taskWindow with *show as Boot$OSVersion:400 the task info shows that it's version 4.04 > If that tiny change to the !Boot file makes a difference, this must > be a very coincidental ripple effect of a far more serious problem > that needs investigation. Basically, if adding that completely > irrelevant character can break printing from OvationPro, then > anything you do can break any application. I do not understand also why this is affecting printing, but the tests I have done on it points to that Line in the Boot, for four times I tried putting the ! in and four times it freezes the print job where by I have to do A Alt Break to get out of it. I have also Took the ! out and all works ok, But how I cannot say, I have now sent away a Email to David Pilling pointing out what I have found. All other programs are working fine with no bother Printing from any of them, I loaded up the old version from the CD version 1.60 and tried it on that and all worked fine. Best Regards, Mick Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From mmartin@zetnet.co.uk Tue Oct 19 17:36:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHiyJ-0005ZP-88-0005ZT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHiyJ-0005ZP-88; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:15:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHiyJ-0005ZP-88 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:15:15 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHiyI-0000pN-SJ for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:15:15 +0000 Received: from bts-0335.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.49.79] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CHiyH-0002um-00 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:15:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:12:19 +0100 Subject: OvationPro 2.60 updated to v 2.75 Message-ID: <4cfd3db431mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: mmartin@zetnet.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi David, I tried updating my CD copy v2.60 of OvationPro to the newer version 2.75 to try and over come the printing problem with the last update. But get the following error when I load a file to try and print it out. I get the following error in File: Macro. Line Type Description 1 Serious error Unknown identifier snapmac_do 1 Serious error Unknown identifier snapmac_do I'm getting this error with just one Applets in what came with the Update v2.75 what is !ColSupp. can you please help me over come this problem as I have a lot of Printing to do. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHiyu-0006ZR-G8-0006ae."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHiyu-0006ZR-G8; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:15:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHiyu-0006ZR-G8; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:15:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHiyt-00019E-E1; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:15:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CHiyY-0006po-Nk; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:15:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9DDFEQ08346 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:15:14 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9DDFDu08338 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:15:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0335.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.49.79] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CHiyG-0002um-00 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:15:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:05:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.60 updated to v 2.75 Message-ID: <4cfd3d0c4cmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi All to try and over come this printing problem with OvationPro 2.75, I decided to go back to my old Copy on CD v2.60 and try updating this one to version 2.75 what seem to update ok but when I drop the File into it I get the following error in File: Macro. Line Type Description 1 Serious error Unknown identifier snapmac_do 1 Serious error Unknown identifier snapmac_do I'm getting this error with just one Applets in what came with the Update v2.75 what is !ColSupp. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHpAR-0005y1-LL-0005yo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHpAR-0005y1-LL; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:52:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHpAR-0005y1-LL; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:52:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHpAR-0007MR-Dq; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:52:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CHpA1-0000Mb-P1; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:51:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9DJpBs12315 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:51:11 +0100 Received: from mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (mta04-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.44]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9DJpBM12312 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:51:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20041013194925.YDQJ4745.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:49:25 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:31:36 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Wed 13 Oct, Keith Hopper wrote: > Hi, > While this oddity does not affect the printed result or the document > content it certainly looks odd on the screen (Iyonix RICOS 5.07). > > If I have, somewhere on the page I am looking at, a line in a bold > font and then I delete the line below that, the whole of the page above - > and the two lines below the bold text are not exactly rendered in bold - > but look as though they have lines a pixel or so too wide. Quite weird > actually - but a redraw gets rid of it. > > Has anyone else noticed this? There has been a screen-redraw oddity in Opro for a while, and the workaround of forcing a redraw to clear it reported a few times. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHqUt-0004VT-EA-0004WJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHqUt-0004VT-EA; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:17:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHqUt-0004VT-EA; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:17:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHqUt-0007Ho-7N; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:17:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CHqTr-0002Hu-Eo; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:16:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9DLG4H27808 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:16:04 +0100 Received: from smtp2.es.uci.edu (smtp2.es.uci.edu [128.200.80.5]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9DLG2q27804 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:16:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [128.200.31.21] (toy.ps.uci.edu [128.200.31.21]) by smtp2.es.uci.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i9DLFq0T005036 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:15:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dennison@uci.edu@pop.uci.edu Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:15:51 -0700 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phil Dennison Subject: [softwarelist] OPro for windows grouped frame Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-NACS_ES-MailScanner: No viruses found Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I recently used Ovation Pro for Windows seriously for the first time - very nice compared to the other software on that computer. I observed a slight oddity though. I was making a document which was to be duplicated twice to produce three copies per page. The individual item has a main frame with several sub-frames inside with content. I grouped all the frames together to allow for easy copying. When the frames are grouped and the resultant entity selected, the frame displayed is much larger than the expected parent frame. I think that this is just a display bug, as I had no problem copying and pasting the items to suitable positions lower down the page, whereas there would not have been room to paste the frame as displayed. I did have trouble using the duplicate function though, and had to resort to copy and paste. Regards, Phil. -- Dr Phil Dennison NMR Facility Director (949)824-6010 (office) Department of Chemistry (949)824-5649 (lab) University of California, Irvine (949)824-8571 (fax) Irvine, CA 92697-2025 dennison@uci.edu USA -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CHsht-0003qs-Lv-0003rx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CHsht-0003qs-Lv; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:38:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHsht-0003qs-Lv; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:38:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CHsht-0000WZ-H8; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:38:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CHshU-0005nO-Iz; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:38:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9DNcFf18918 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:38:15 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9DNcF318914 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:38:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0419.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.49.163] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CHshC-0005Oc-00 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:38:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:36:52 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro version 2,69 Message-ID: <4cfd76e1f4mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Can some kind person tell me how I can get a copy of the version 2.69 to update my CD copy of 2.60. I have been onto David Web site but can only find the new version 2.75 but I'm getting problems with this version when printing, I have email David but to press no reply. I need to get this up and running as I have a lot of work to print out for our local School. Or have any kind person got a copy what they can send me Please, or a URL: for to get it. I have tried loading my files into version 2.60 but will not excepts them and get the following message - File produced by newer version of Ovation, in this case it was version 2.75. This will learn me to keep my old Copy until I see all is well with the new version. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CI08q-0007Gc-Kd-0007HE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CI08q-0007Gc-Kd; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:35:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI08q-0007Gc-Kd; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:35:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI08q-0005me-5L; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:35:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CI08Y-0003ni-BV; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:34:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9E7Yab27286 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:34:36 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9E7YaI27283 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:34:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0171.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.48.171] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CI08A-0003Em-00 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:34:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:29:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro 2.75 and Printing Message-ID: <4cfda225f2mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi All, Thank you all for your kind help for getting OvationPro back up and working with my Printer, also thanks to Dave Symes for his kind help also Phil Coates, But still had the same problem with v2.69 so I thought I will do a switch on with the - Delete Key help down at start up, and that seems to have cured my Printing Problem with OvationPro. But what I could not get my head round, I was able to print from all my other programs bar for OvationPro. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CI0ko-0002VL-Rk-0002XD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CI0ko-0002VL-Rk; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:14:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI0ko-0002VL-Rk; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:14:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI0ko-0005Qe-As; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:14:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CI0kQ-0003uP-Tr; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:14:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9E8Dv503411 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:57 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9E8Du103408 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CI0kF-0006zy-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:13:55 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.147] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CI0kE-0003Fh-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:13:55 +0200 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:29:19 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro version 2,69 Message-ID: References: <4cfd76e1f4mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfd76e1f4mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cfd76e1f4mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> Michael M Martin wrote: > Can some kind person tell me how I can get a copy of the version 2.69 > to update my CD copy of 2.60. > > I have been onto David Web site but can only find the new version 2.75 > but I'm getting problems with this version when printing, I have email > David but to press no reply. > > I need to get this up and running as I have a lot of work to print out > for our local School. Did you not write that it prints well when you take out that "!" in the !Boot file? So, what prevents you from printing your files? > Or have any kind person got a copy what they can send me Please, or a > URL: for to get it. > > I have tried loading my files into version 2.60 but will not excepts > them and get the following message - File produced by newer version of > Ovation, in this case it was version 2.75. In that case, before spending time locating version 2.69 it might be a good idea to first find out whether files produced by 2.75 can be loaded into 2.69 at all. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CI3BF-0005GS-I0-0005HA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CI3BF-0005GS-I0; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:49:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI3BF-0005GS-I0; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:49:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI3BF-0006V5-9v; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:49:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CI3AS-0005LH-He; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:49:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9EAmov17338 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:48:50 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9EAmoO17333 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:48:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0478.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.49.222] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CI3A9-0001qp-00 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:48:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:41:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro version 2,69 Message-ID: <4cfdb3af73mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4cfd76e1f4mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4cfd76e1f4mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> Michael M Martin > wrote: > > Can some kind person tell me how I can get a copy of the version > > 2.69 to update my CD copy of 2.60. > > > > I have been onto David Web site but can only find the new version > > 2.75 but I'm getting problems with this version when printing, I > > have email David but to press no reply. > > > > I need to get this up and running as I have a lot of work to print > > out for our local School. > Did you not write that it prints well when you take out that "!" in > the !Boot file? So, what prevents you from printing your files? Yes it would print but found that when I tried the next file that one also failed to Print it would just freeze up. > > Or have any kind person got a copy what they can send me Please, or > > a URL: for to get it. > > > > I have tried loading my files into version 2.60 but will not > > excepts them and get the following message - File produced by newer > > version of Ovation, in this case it was version 2.75. > In that case, before spending time locating version 2.69 it might be > a good idea to first find out whether files produced by 2.75 can be > loaded into 2.69 at all. I got a copy of 2.69 but found the same problem with that, so I decided to do a Power on reset by holding down the Delete Key and that did the trick and all was well. But what was confusing that the Printer would work with all my other programmes, ie. like Browsers, Draw, Publisher, EasiWrite and Pluto but not with OvationPro. Mick. -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CI6Hx-00072y-Ps-000741."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CI6Hx-00072y-Ps; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:09:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI6Hx-00072y-Ps; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:09:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI6Hw-0000Co-JY; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:09:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CI6He-0001tP-SL; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:08:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9EE8OX14639 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:08:24 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9EE8Na14627 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:08:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.209] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CI6HH-0005B7-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:08:23 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.71] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CI6HG-0003JZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:08:22 +0200 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:08:12 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. Message-ID: References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: > While this oddity does not affect the printed result or the > document content it certainly looks odd on the screen (Iyonix RICOS > 5.07). > > If I have, somewhere on the page I am looking at, a line in a bold > font and then I delete the line below that, the whole of the page above > - and the two lines below the bold text are not exactly rendered in bold > - but look as though they have lines a pixel or so too wide. Quite weird > actually - but a redraw gets rid of it. I cannot reproduce this here. Does it always happen or only with a specific document? I presume you are in a 16M colour mode? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CI6WU-0003S5-6k-0003Ss."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CI6WU-0003S5-6k; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:24:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI6WU-0003S5-6k; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:24:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI6WT-000774-Or; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:24:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CI6Vx-0008H2-P9; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:23:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9EENPr19006 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:23:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9EENP818996 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:23:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([193.237.242.97] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CI6Vo-000ApO-JZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:23:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:24:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. Message-ID: <4cfdc82cfemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: > > While this oddity does not affect the printed result or the > > document content it certainly looks odd on the screen (Iyonix > > RICOS 5.07). > > > > If I have, somewhere on the page I am looking at, a line in > > a bold font and then I delete the line below that, the whole of > > the page above - and the two lines below the bold text are not > > exactly rendered in bold - but look as though they have lines a > > pixel or so too wide. Quite weird actually - but a redraw gets > > rid of it. In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > I cannot reproduce this here. Does it always happen or only with a > specific document? I presume you are in a 16M colour mode? It seems to be an unfortunate artefact of background blending of anti-aliased fonts, and happens unpredictably. If I disable background blending (e.g. using SpecialFX) it seems to go away though. I have a key macro set up: {viewrepaint(0,0)} I've assigned this to F2 because, for some reason, my mind associates refreshing the screen with loading a file, and that traditional use of F2 has always seemed rather redundant to me. Background blending is worth using, so I keep it enabled for Ovation Pro but can easily force a window redraw using F2 when the above problem occurs. Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CI9lL-0004oP-DG-0004r7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CI9lL-0004oP-DG; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:51:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI9lL-0004oP-DG; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:51:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CI9lK-0007jN-Hs; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:51:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CI9kl-0003ue-1I; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:51:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9EHoki11089 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:50:46 +0100 Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9EHoj711083 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:50:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-4100.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.65.144.4] helo=Phoebe) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CI9kT-0002St-97 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:50:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:50:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfddb07aamark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfbe482fasbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb91d93asbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb96a128mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <4cfbac1444sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbda599esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4cfbe482fasbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cfbe482fasbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: [Snip] > But am I right in assuming that all you other Pluto users can > double-click on attached files of the types &A91 and &C46 in Pluto and > SparkFS opens them correctly? I'm also getting the errors you mention for archives that end up filetyped &A91. Strange thing is that if you open Pluto's scrap directory, you can see the file in there after you click on OK. -- How's it going, Mr. Peterson? Poor. I'm sorry to hear that. No, I mean pour. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CIBgq-0006XS-Jl-0006Y3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CIBgq-0006XS-Jl; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:55:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CIBgq-0006XS-Jl; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:55:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CIBgp-0005Hs-Tw; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:55:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CIBgT-0005ZX-Am; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:54:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9EJsY307498 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:54:34 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9EJsXF07495 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:54:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20041014195237.NQWS24841.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:52:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:42:08 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro for windows grouped frame To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Wed 13 Oct, Phil Dennison wrote: > Hi, > > I recently used Ovation Pro for Windows seriously for the first time > - very nice compared to the other software on that computer. > > I observed a slight oddity though. I was making a document which was > to be duplicated twice to produce three copies per page. The > individual item has a main frame with several sub-frames inside with > content. [snip] Does Opro for Windows have the Imposit applet? I think that is the one which allows you to create a single small page and print multiples on a sheet using the Thumbnails > all same > paper area options. This way I print a sheet of 24 address labels from a document with a single label-size page and no messing round copying frames and would avoid the apparent problem described. This also has the advantage that there is only one place to make edits and all future prints have the same version. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CIGYg-0005UF-Qe-0005UZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CIGYg-0005UF-Qe; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:07:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CIGYg-0005UF-Qe; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:07:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CIGYg-0001U5-3a; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:07:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CIGYR-0004EG-7f; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:06:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9F16Lf25610 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:06:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9F16Kx25599 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:06:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 212-229-248-243.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.248.243] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CIGXz-000PHu-2Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:06:20 +0000 Message-ID: <013001c4b253$50bdeb30$f3f8e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <78A8DEHWTCaBFwqa@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cfb54fc9csbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbbd6a7dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:03:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > No... Pluto sends Message_DataOpen for whatever you double-click on > (seen via !WimpMon) but doesn't seem to issue a Run or Filer_Run (at > least !Reporter doesn't show it happening). So I suppose that unless > the SparkFS filer wimp application is running these files are just > ignored. > How does SparkFS know which filetypes it will respond to these messages > for? Interesting point. So it could be that SparkFS filer is the app that knows something special about type DDC etc. I'll have to investigate and report back. Thanks for pointing out the atexit things. Yet another error on my part. Ever get the feeling I'm not familiar with this software... David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:36:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CIMlu-0006Il-Is-0006K4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:36:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CIMlu-0006Il-Is; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:45:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CIMlu-0006Il-Is; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:45:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CIMlu-0007lr-Lr; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:45:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CIMkY-00017l-KO; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:43:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9F7hNR20736 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:43:23 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (p5091AAEF.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.170.239]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9F7hMx20730 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:43:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CIMkC-0001Jh-00 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:43:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:42:20 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype Message-ID: <4cfe2729f9sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <013001c4b253$50bdeb30$f3f8e5d4@mypc> References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <78A8DEHWTCaBFwqa@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cfb54fc9csbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbbd6a7dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <013001c4b253$50bdeb30$f3f8e5d4@mypc> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > I'll have to investigate and report back. Much appreciated! :-) -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:37:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CIzyn-0000de-KV-0000eV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:37:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CIzyn-0000de-KV; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:37:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CIzyn-0000de-KV; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:37:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CIzyn-0005TX-6J; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:37:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CIzyP-0002l6-9N; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:36:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9H1a7s24937 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:36:07 +0100 Received: from grunt13.ihug.co.nz (grunt13.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.60]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9H1a5M24934 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:36:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from p169.hn2.wave.co.nz (albion) [203.96.195.182] by grunt13.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CIzxq-0006B9-00; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:36:03 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:59:57 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. Message-ID: <4cff09ff62kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> > Keith Hopper wrote: > > While this oddity does not affect the printed result or the > > document content it certainly looks odd on the screen (Iyonix RICOS > > 5.07). > > > > If I have, somewhere on the page I am looking at, a line in a bold > > font and then I delete the line below that, the whole of the page above > > - and the two lines below the bold text are not exactly rendered in bold > > - but look as though they have lines a pixel or so too wide. Quite weird > > actually - but a redraw gets rid of it. > I cannot reproduce this here. Does it always happen or only with a > specific document? I presume you are in a 16M colour mode? So far I have tested in sixteen documents (ArtWorks module descriptions) and the same happens in all - created by dropping row text into a blank document and then adding layout styles/effects. Yes my Iyonix is running in 24-bit colour. I will, however, try on some other documents tomorrow when back at the office! Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:37:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CJ6lP-0000Wf-R5-0000XF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:37:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CJ6lP-0000Wf-R5; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:51:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJ6lP-0000Wf-R5; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:51:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJ6lP-00022y-6r; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:51:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CJ6l9-0006DZ-N3; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:51:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9H8p8p22777 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:51:08 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9H8p8422774 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:51:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([82.9.213.119]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041017085022.CIUV13844.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:50:22 +0100 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:51:52 +0100 From: Alan Leighton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. Message-ID: References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4cff09ff62kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4cff09ff62kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cff09ff62kh@waikato.ac.nz> you wrote: > In article , > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > In message <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> > > Keith Hopper wrote: > > > > While this oddity does not affect the printed result or the > > > document content it certainly looks odd on the screen (Iyonix RICOS > > > 5.07). > > > > > > If I have, somewhere on the page I am looking at, a line in a bold > > > font and then I delete the line below that, the whole of the page above > > > - and the two lines below the bold text are not exactly rendered in bold > > > - but look as though they have lines a pixel or so too wide. Quite weird > > > actually - but a redraw gets rid of it. > > > I cannot reproduce this here. Does it always happen or only with a > > specific document? I presume you are in a 16M colour mode? > > So far I have tested in sixteen documents (ArtWorks module > descriptions) and the same happens in all - created by dropping row text > into a blank document and then adding layout styles/effects. Yes my Iyonix > is running in 24-bit colour. > > I will, however, try on some other documents tomorrow when back at the > office! Was the document first done in !Impression and then converted to !Ovation? If so then let me know as I have had this trouble and know a fix. Alan -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton Dean of Academic Studies St Augustine Theological Seminary Priory Lodge, Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 17:37:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CJ9P6-0001Tb-IO-0001UB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:37:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CJ9P6-0001Tb-IO; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:40:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJ9P6-0001Tb-IO; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:40:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJ9P6-0001Mp-Gq; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:40:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CJ9Ov-00035V-Dm; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:40:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9HBeIv19897 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:40:18 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9HBeHY19889 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:40:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CJ9Ob-0005H7-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:40:17 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.151] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CJ9Oa-0004Wc-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:40:17 +0200 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:38:22 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. Message-ID: <0a7244ff4c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4cff09ff62kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <4cff09ff62kh@waikato.ac.nz> you wrote: > > > In article , > > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > In message <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> > > > Keith Hopper wrote: > > > > > > > If I have, somewhere on the page I am looking at, a line in a > > > > bold font and then I delete the line below that, the whole of the > > > > page above - and the two lines below the bold text are not exactly > > > > rendered in bold - but look as though they have lines a pixel or > > > > so too wide. Quite weird actually - but a redraw gets rid of it. > > > > > I cannot reproduce this here. Does it always happen or only with a > > > specific document? I presume you are in a 16M colour mode? > > > > So far I have tested in sixteen documents (ArtWorks module > > descriptions) and the same happens in all - created by dropping row > > text into a blank document and then adding layout styles/effects. Yes > > my Iyonix is running in 24-bit colour. > > > > I will, however, try on some other documents tomorrow when back > > at the office! No need - if it happens on a blank document with raw text dropped into it, it cannot be a problem with a specific document. > Was the document first done in !Impression and then converted to > !Ovation? If so then let me know as I have had this trouble and know a > fix. As Keith wrote he dropped raw text into an OP frame, so Impression was not involved. Besides, as Peter Newble has pointed out it seems that the problem is caused by SpecialFX. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 18:36:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CJxme-00066Z-Cb-00067S."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:36:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CJxme-00066Z-Cb; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:28:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJxme-00066Z-Cb; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:28:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJxme-00038V-MP; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:28:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CJxm7-0005Uc-J2; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:27:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9JHRJ812250 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:27:19 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9JHRJn12246 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:27:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CJxm0-000Bw2-B4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:27:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:26:09 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro for windows grouped frame References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I observed a slight oddity though. I was making a document which was to >be duplicated twice to produce three copies per page. The individual >item has a main frame with several sub-frames inside with content. I >grouped all the frames together to allow for easy copying. When the >frames are grouped and the resultant entity selected, the frame >displayed is much larger than the expected parent frame. >I think that this is just a display bug, as I had no problem copying >and pasting the items to suitable positions lower down the page, >whereas there would not have been room to paste the frame as displayed. >I did have trouble using the duplicate function though, and had to >resort to copy and paste. All these symptoms could be explained by your multiple selection containing a linked master frame. This is quite a common occurrence, you open a new document, plonk a few frames on the page, select all, and find that you can't do various things - the reason is that the new document comes with a default frame. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 18:46:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CJy0T-0004ik-MK-0004js."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:46:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CJy0T-0004ik-MK; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:42:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJy0T-0004ik-MK; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:42:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJy0T-00029c-Md; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:42:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CJy0E-0008A1-6W; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:42:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9JHg9T15301 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:42:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9JHg7Z15294 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:42:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CJxzr-000BDp-0r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:42:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:40:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4cfdc82cfemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cfdc82cfemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> > a bold font and then I delete the line below that, the whole of >> > the page above - and the two lines below the bold text are not >> > exactly rendered in bold - but look as though they have lines a >It seems to be an unfortunate artefact of background blending of >anti-aliased fonts, and happens unpredictably. If I disable background >blending (e.g. using SpecialFX) it seems to go away though. I'll check this, it sounds surprising. I know OP does have some redraw problems, but not usually this bad. The comments about SpecialFX are based on a false idea, because OP uses background blending for font painting without any extra programs, or any other user intervention. So to get background blending you need do nothing. Background blending appeared in RISC OS about the same time OP came out (1996), and being an early adopter of the feature, a common complaint back then was about OP not printing correctly. It's not clear from this discussion if the problem appears from scratch, or when SFX is added and used to turn on blending, or if the point is that SFX is only used to turn it off? I don't recall off hand, but OP may be using various rules to turn on and off blending as and when needed and any use of SFX may upset its assumptions. Transparent frames would be a situation where blending paid off, whilst solid fill frames would not show any benefit. I'd worry if transparent frames were the problem area. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 20:46:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CJzsp-0004f9-Gh-0004fo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:46:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CJzsp-0004f9-Gh; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:43:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJzsp-0004f9-Gh; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:42:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJzso-0000i5-TW; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:42:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CJzsU-0000X5-Oc; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:42:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9JJgGQ06834 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:42:16 +0100 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (newman.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9JJgF306828 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:42:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3256B127923 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:42:12 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:46:38 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. Message-ID: <4dfff1a958kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4cfdc82cfemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >> > a bold font and then I delete the line below that, the whole of > >> > the page above - and the two lines below the bold text are not > >> > exactly rendered in bold - but look as though they have lines a > >It seems to be an unfortunate artefact of background blending of > >anti-aliased fonts, and happens unpredictably. If I disable background > >blending (e.g. using SpecialFX) it seems to go away though. > I'll check this, it sounds surprising. I know OP does have some redraw > problems, but not usually this bad. > The comments about SpecialFX are based on a false idea, because OP uses > background blending for font painting without any extra programs, or any > other user intervention. Unless OvPro loads SpecialFX secretly - ie without telling me - I have a copy - but have never used it in anger so to speak. It may not, therefore, have anything to do with the oddity. Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 20:56:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CJzwV-0007VQ-71-0007Vt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:56:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CJzwV-0007VQ-71; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:46:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJzwV-0007VQ-71; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:46:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CJzwU-0002Mt-Vz; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:46:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CJzw1-0007uP-17; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:46:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9JJkDc07637 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:46:13 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9JJkC807632 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:46:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=58490 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CJzvw-0002lH-EI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:46:12 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55265 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CJzvv-00037E-84 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:46:11 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c4b614$4db95810$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4cfdc82cfemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:45:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:40 PM , David Pilling wrote: >>>> a bold font and then I delete the line below that, the whole of >>>> the page above - and the two lines below the bold text are not >>>> exactly rendered in bold - but look as though they have lines a >> It seems to be an unfortunate artefact of background blending of >> anti-aliased fonts, and happens unpredictably. If I disable >> background blending (e.g. using SpecialFX) it seems to go away >> though. > > I'll check this, it sounds surprising. I know OP does have some redraw > problems, but not usually this bad. Maybe totally irrelevant ... Maybe not. On website of Castle - News there is a new Redrawmanager module: 16 October 2004 32 bit RedrawManager module version 0.08. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 22:06:12 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CK17H-0000XX-Ff-0000Yh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:06:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CK17H-0000XX-Ff; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:02:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CK17H-0000XX-Ff; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:01:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CK17H-0005I7-I1; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:01:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CK16w-0003XS-Sz; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:01:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9JL1IS20779 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:01:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9JL1F520764 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:01:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CK16Y-000FEN-9C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:01:15 +0000 Message-ID: <7lCslMKCBYdBFwzL@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:59:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4cfdc82cfemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4dfff1a958kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4dfff1a958kh@waikato.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Unless OvPro loads SpecialFX secretly - ie without telling me No. OP has nothing to do with SFX. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 19 23:36:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CK2Rn-0007gc-Eh-0007jQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:36:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CK2Rn-0007gc-Eh; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:27:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CK2Rn-0007gc-Eh; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:27:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CK2Rm-0004r2-Nu; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:27:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CK2Rc-0000dZ-LP; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:27:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9JMQrm02634 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:26:53 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9JMQq502630 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:26:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CK2RP-0004BD-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:26:51 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.75] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CK2RP-0007G1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:26:51 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:26:47 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. Message-ID: <8e7b87004d.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4cfdc82cfemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <000901c4b614$4db95810$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000901c4b614$4db95810$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <000901c4b614$4db95810$6502a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > On Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:40 PM , > David Pilling wrote: > > >>>> a bold font and then I delete the line below that, the whole of > >>>> the page above - and the two lines below the bold text are not > >>>> exactly rendered in bold - but look as though they have lines a > >> It seems to be an unfortunate artefact of background blending of > >> anti-aliased fonts, and happens unpredictably. If I disable > >> background blending (e.g. using SpecialFX) it seems to go away > >> though. > > > > I'll check this, it sounds surprising. I know OP does have some redraw > > problems, but not usually this bad. > > Maybe totally irrelevant ... Yes. > On website of Castle - News there is a new Redrawmanager module: > > 16 October 2004 32 bit RedrawManager module version 0.08. This is just the first 32-bit release of this module. The fact that nobody has missed it on the Iyonix so far tells tales about the huge number of applications requiring it - I cannot think of a single one. Certainly irrelevant for OP. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 20 03:26:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CK67M-00026R-J7-00027O."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:26:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CK67M-00026R-J7; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:22:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CK67M-00026R-J7; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:22:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CK67M-00070w-Ke; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:22:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CK67A-0007nt-7m; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:22:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9K2LrP02274 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:21:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9K2Lq602271 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:21:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CK67Z-000NYi-6A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:22:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:20:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.40 and the new Zip filetype References: <4cfb0b1ff1sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfb388779mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <78A8DEHWTCaBFwqa@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cfb54fc9csbellon@sbellon.de> <4cfbbd6a7dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <013001c4b253$50bdeb30$f3f8e5d4@mypc> In-Reply-To: <013001c4b253$50bdeb30$f3f8e5d4@mypc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Interesting point. So it could be that SparkFS filer is the app that knows >something special about type DDC etc. Yes that seems to be the case. The SparkFS filer only knows that DDC is an archive type. It knows nothing about other types. Interestingly this has always been the case - it's been wrong since the beginning, tar files at least had a different type. I'm going to let Stefan have a copy of the new version. I'd expect it to be generally available soon. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From Richard@Hallas.net Wed Oct 20 13:53:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CKE0p-0000RU-Hf-0000RY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:53:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CKE0p-0000RU-Hf; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:48:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKE0p-0000RU-Hf for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:48:11 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKE0p-0005a7-5G for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:48:11 +0000 Received: from adsl-166-81.freeuk.com ([80.168.166.81] helo=Iyonix) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKE0o-000NBA-8h; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:48:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:45:36 +0100 From: Richard Hallas To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. Message-ID: <8d1fcb004d.OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4cfdc82cfemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.72b9 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) Cc: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > It seems to be an unfortunate artefact of background blending of > > anti-aliased fonts, and happens unpredictably. If I disable > > background blending (e.g. using SpecialFX) it seems to go away > > though. > > I'll check this, it sounds surprising. I know OP does have some > redraw problems, but not usually this bad. > > The comments about SpecialFX are based on a false idea, because OP > uses background blending for font painting without any extra > programs, or any other user intervention. > > So to get background blending you need do nothing. > > Background blending appeared in RISC OS about the same time OP came > out (1996), and being an early adopter of the feature, a common > complaint back then was about OP not printing correctly. > > It's not clear from this discussion if the problem appears from > scratch, or when SFX is added and used to turn on blending, or if > the point is that SFX is only used to turn it off? I think I ought to make two points about SpecialFX, as the person who wrote the Setup utility. First of all, for anyone who has installed SFX in the normal way (i.e. with its setup utility installed as a Configure plug-in, and used to control the module), a set of defaults will be in force. One of those defaults is for SFX /not/ to affect background blending in Ovation Pro (it turns on anti-aliasing for vector graphics, though). The reason blending is turned off for Ovation Pro is that Ovation Pro is known to handle this feature itself. It's one of the very few applications that has specific support for it (another is Fresco). So unless anyone has manually enabled the blending switch for Ovation Pro in SFXSetup, SFX won't be responsible for the reported behaviour. Secondly, it's also important to realise that turning background blending off for Ovation Pro in SFXSetup does *not* mean disabling the feature in Ovation Pro. All you're turning on/off with the switch is whether SFX /affects/ Ovation Pro. I.e. by turning off the switch, you're saying "don't force this application to do background blending" rather than "turn off background blending in this application". With blending off in SFX, the application is left to its own devices, and in Ovation Pro's case, it will do the background blending by itself. SFX *cannot* turn off background blending in Ovation Pro; all it can do is force it to be on all the time, or leave Ovation Pro up to its own devices. Forcing background blending with SFX would not be a good idea in Ovation Pro's case because it could potentially affect the Ovation Pro's own support for the feature, so that's why it's turned off by default. (And the same goes for Fresco.) Anyway, notwithstanding all of the above, let me take this opportunity to recommend that everyone should upgrade to SpecialFX 1.05 if they have not already done so. This was an important bug-fix release which fixes a various potential problems, and anyone who has SFX installed and running permanently really ought to ensure that they have this latest version. The download page is here: ...and contains detailed instructions and background information. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 21 02:23:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CKRXT-0007X5-Dk-0007XV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:23:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CKRXT-0007X5-Dk; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:14:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKRXT-0007X5-Dk; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:14:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKRXS-0002sN-Qp; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:14:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CKRWm-00017J-4L; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:14:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9L1DEn03816 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:13:14 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9L1DDe03806 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:13:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CKRWR-000GYn-Cl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:13:44 +0000 Message-ID: <4N2svJJSzwdBFwwK@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:11:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro 2.75 rendering oddity. References: <4cfd0a95e4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <4cff09ff62kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4cff09ff62kh@waikato.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I will, however, try on some other documents tomorrow when back at the >office! I've failed to reproduce this problem, on my Iyonix. When you change some text, it can lead to previous lines being reflowed. For example if you insert a space in the first word, part of that word can then flow back onto the previous line. So it is fair enough that the things you describe cause previous lines to be refreshed in some way. The effect as you describe it, does sound like what happens if you repeatedly paint text using background blending (without erasing the background). The problem is finding what might cause that to happen - one suggestion was transparent frames. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 21 20:02:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CKiAF-0006fV-Sa-0006gN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:02:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CKiAF-0006fV-Sa; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:59:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKiAF-0006fV-Sa; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:59:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKiAF-0006EB-Kt; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:59:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CKi9z-0000WY-CG; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:59:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9LIxNO16203 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:59:23 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9LIxM916197 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:59:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CKiAQ-00038r-4l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:00:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:57:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.41 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, SparkFS 1.41 is now available from my web site; http://www.davidpilling.net/sfs140.zip The changes are slight, just fixing the problems pointed out here in recent days. The configuration files have had the new Zip type added. The SparkFS filer has been fixed to understand there are other archive types besides DDC - in other words you should now be able to open zips from Pluto. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 21 21:12:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CKjG1-00072g-8R-000734."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:12:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CKjG1-00072g-8R; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:09:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKjG1-00072g-8R; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:09:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKjG1-00065u-DS; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:09:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CKjFk-0002TR-HB; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:09:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9LK9S330195 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:09:28 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB835.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.184.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9LK9RJ30184 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:09:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CKjFW-0001J0-00 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:09:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:08:01 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 Message-ID: <4d018272f9sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > http://www.davidpilling.net/sfs140.zip > The changes are slight, just fixing the problems pointed out here in > recent days. The &A91 changes yes, but the &F89 changes we were discussing by email are not included. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 21 21:52:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CKjrH-0003hh-EQ-0003ig."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:52:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CKjrH-0003hh-EQ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:48:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKjrH-0003hh-EQ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:48:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKjrH-0000QL-7v; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:48:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CKjr6-00015e-To; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:48:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9LKm4b04054 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:48:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9LKm3604051 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:48:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CKjqs-0008Cm-1o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:48:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:46:53 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 References: <4d018272f9sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4d018272f9sbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The &A91 changes yes, but the &F89 changes we were discussing by email >are not included. Well those are *your* customisations. I'd be happy for you to tell everyone what you did. As the author of ShrinkWrap I can hardly steal its file type 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 21 22:02:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CKk1j-0000ps-6L-0000rw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:02:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CKk1j-0000ps-6L; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:59:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKk1j-0000ps-6L; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:59:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKk1j-0005o8-Q2; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:59:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CKk1U-0001rQ-Au; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:59:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9LKwqW05707 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:58:52 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB835.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.184.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9LKwpR05703 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:58:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CKk1K-0001kB-00 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:58:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:58:51 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 Message-ID: <4d01871a69sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4d018272f9sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > >The &A91 changes yes, but the &F89 changes we were discussing by > >email are not included. > Well those are *your* customisations. I'd be happy for you to tell > everyone what you did. Ah, ok, I thought perhaps adding the modifications as comments to the !Run and !Boot file like it is done for filetype &3FB would be nice. > As the author of ShrinkWrap I can hardly steal its file type 8-) I wasn't aware that ShrinkWrap uses &F89. At least the copy I have here (0.05) doesn't seem to. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 21 23:12:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CKl1A-0004AV-A3-0004BL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:12:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CKl1A-0004AV-A3; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:02:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKl1A-0004AV-A3; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:02:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKl19-0004He-SW; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:02:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CKl0S-0001vX-6s; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:02:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9LM0EV15214 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:00:14 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9LM0Dh15209 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:00:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CKkyh-000C8a-Kt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:00:11 +0000 Message-ID: <6NYsPeGlEDeBFw5o@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:59:01 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 References: <4d018272f9sbellon@sbellon.de> <4d01871a69sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4d01871a69sbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Ah, ok, I thought perhaps adding the modifications as comments to the >!Run and !Boot file like it is done for filetype &3FB would be nice. True. >I wasn't aware that ShrinkWrap uses &F89. At least the copy I have here >(0.05) doesn't seem to. It does. SW treats F89 files as its own GZips. F89 was registered by Acorn for SW. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 22 03:02:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CKofA-0006ys-Ef-0006zF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:02:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CKofA-0006ys-Ef; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:56:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKofA-0006ys-Ef; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:56:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKofA-0000fL-Bj; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:56:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CKoeu-0003uN-UQ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:56:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9M1tgV15311 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:55:42 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9M1tfm15302 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:55:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CKoea-000KX6-Fu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:55:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:54:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] DPScan for Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, The software that keeps changing its name - DPScan, David Pilling's Scanning Software, DPSS, Image... is now available for Windows. I suspect I may have said this would never happen, however there is a need to be able to handle some RISC OS file formats on Windows. You have to be a registered user of Ovation Pro for Windows to use DPScan. I also need to get in my apology for the file type icons in the current version. They are temporary. The URL; http://www.davidpilling.net/dpscan.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 22 13:48:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CKrZr-00044p-Rf-00045a."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:48:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CKrZr-00044p-Rf; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:03:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKrZr-00044p-Rf; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:02:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKrZr-0003hX-Bk; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:02:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CKrZI-0005ED-Ur; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:02:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9M51PW15245 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:01:25 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9M51Nh15234 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:01:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-215-7.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.215.7]:1063 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CKrYH-000Ow6-Ig for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:01:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:02:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] DPScan for Windows Message-ID: <4d01b35f29dfs@ukgateway.net> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > The software that keeps changing its name - DPScan, David Pilling's > Scanning Software, DPSS, Image... is now available for Windows. > I suspect I may have said this would never happen, however there is a > need to be able to handle some RISC OS file formats on Windows. > You have to be a registered user of Ovation Pro for Windows to use > DPScan. > I also need to get in my apology for the file type icons in the current > version. They are temporary. > The URL; > http://www.davidpilling.net/dpscan.html David. Neato! Just downloaded and installed, had a quick play before toddling off to work. Most excellent, thanks. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 22 13:48:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CKwC0-0005K9-Qx-0005LM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:48:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CKwC0-0005K9-Qx; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:58:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKwC0-0005K9-Qx; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:58:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKwBz-0002MJ-Vn; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:58:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CKwBo-000498-6C; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:58:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9M9vpK06086 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:57:51 +0100 Received: from smtp4.global.net.uk (smtp4.global.net.uk [80.189.92.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9M9voU06081 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:57:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 100.231.adsl.brightview.com ([80.189.231.100] helo=RTV) by smtp4.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1CKwBC-0001wF-FK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:57:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:56:46 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan for Windows Message-ID: <4D01CE52D9%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Authenticated-Sender: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article David Pilling wrote: > The software that keeps changing its name - DPScan, David Pilling's > Scanning Software, DPSS, Image... is now available for Windows. [snip] > You have to be a registered user of Ovation Pro for Windows to use > DPScan. Darn! Is this likely to change? I have no use for OPro on Windows being happy using it on ROS. I use DPSS on my RPC, but that no longer has a scanner attached. I have an Epson RX500 on my XP desktop & I would prefer to use DPSS4W rather than less configurable PC s/w. (Altho', to be fair, the Epson s/w is better than most PC scanner s/w I've seen.) BTW is it possible to use/access a scanner over a network? [snip] > The URL; > > http://www.davidpilling.net/dpscan.html -- __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:08:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CKz0z-0004Lp-8N; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:59:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKz0z-0004Lp-8N; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:59:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CKz0z-0004jS-84; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:59:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CKz0O-0008WA-Kw; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:58:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9MCwav24257 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:58:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9MCwZW24253 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:58:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CKzwO-000H9w-IN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:58:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:57:24 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan for Windows References: <4D01CE52D9%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4D01CE52D9%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> You have to be a registered user of Ovation Pro for Windows to use >> DPScan. >Darn! Is this likely to change? Well maybe. > I have no use for OPro on Windows being happy >using it on ROS. I use DPSS on my RPC, but that no longer has a scanner >attached. I have an Epson RX500 on my XP desktop & I would prefer to use >DPSS4W rather than less configurable PC s/w. (Altho', to be fair, the Epson >s/w is better than most PC scanner s/w I've seen.) Bear in mind the difference between DPScan and my TWAIN drivers. If you're after the functionality of my TWAIN drivers - all the stuff in the window that comes up when you click on Scan, then you'll be disappointed. >BTW is it possible to use/access a scanner over a network? Yes but. There are dedicated network scanner drivers for some models of scanner, sometimes from third parties. Then potentially one can use any TWAIN driver over a network - I believe people sell software to do this. However the snag is that many TWAIN drivers don't support the necessary features, and you'd probably have a generic interface. Google should find this stuff. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 22 19:08:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CL3i6-0001cd-Sz-0001cz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:08:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CL3i6-0001cd-Sz; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:00:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CL3i6-0001cd-Sz; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:00:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CL3i6-0006t4-Oe; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:00:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CL3hR-0001Wn-He; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:59:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9MHxLm05903 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:59:21 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9MHxKK05900 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:59:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-212-75.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.212.75]:1029 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CL3h7-000P8U-T5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:59:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:59:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan for Windows Message-ID: <4d01fa8374dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d01b35f29dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4d01b35f29dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d01b35f29dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > David. Neato! Just downloaded and installed, had a quick play before > toddling off to work. > Most excellent, thanks. > Cheers > Dave S Having more time to play since returning home, thank you again David, it works a treat. Only one small niggle, a personal foible on my part, I've had to ResHack it to resize the "Main" template, 'cos as per usual your opening window size is too darn small for my liking. :-) Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 23 03:19:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CLBOs-0004Vn-Rt-0004WW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:19:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CLBOs-0004Vn-Rt; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:13:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLBOs-0004Vn-Rt; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:12:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLBOs-0004LF-Ev; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:12:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CLBOi-0008S9-7E; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:12:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9N2CPP16168 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:12:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9N2COR16165 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:12:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CLBOJ-0005Bs-2c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:12:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:11:09 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan for Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, The manual (PDF) for DPScan for Windows is now available from; http://www.davidpilling.net/dpscan.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 23 03:29:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CLBVJ-00024c-Aw-00025C."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:29:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CLBVJ-00024c-Aw; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:19:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLBVJ-00024c-Aw; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:19:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLBVJ-00058P-4p; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:19:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CLBV1-0006sz-TU; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:19:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9N2JAa17496 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:19:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9N2J9R17492 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:19:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CLCR8-000Ifz-GO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:19:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:18:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan for Windows References: <4d01b35f29dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d01fa8374dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4d01fa8374dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Only one small niggle, a personal foible on my part, I've had to ResHack >it to resize the "Main" template, 'cos as per usual your opening window >size is too darn small for my liking. :-) Fair enough, I will change that. Make it into one of those Windows programs where the window starts opening at some mad size and position, and you've no idea what you did to make it save that as the default or how to change it, and out on Google there are tales that it depends on holding down Control when you close the main window, or something... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 23 13:54:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CLE4l-00037C-BM-00037m."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:54:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CLE4l-00037C-BM; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:04:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLE4l-00037C-BM; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:04:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLE4l-0007dh-AP; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:04:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CLE4E-0006MD-RA; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:03:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9N53XJ14636 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:03:33 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9N53WU14633 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:03:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-226-4.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.226.4]:1117 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CLE3v-000ISx-6y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:03:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:04:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan for Windows Message-ID: <4d02376728dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4d01b35f29dfs@ukgateway.net> <4d01fa8374dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Only one small niggle, a personal foible on my part, I've had to ResHack > >it to resize the "Main" template, 'cos as per usual your opening window > >size is too darn small for my liking. :-) > Fair enough, I will change that. > Make it into one of those Windows programs where the window starts > opening at some mad size and position, and you've no idea what you did > to make it save that as the default or how to change it, and out on > Google there are tales that it depends on holding down Control when you > close the main window, or something... I see Mr P... Yes that is one real PITA with MS-Windows, some things are so arcane it makes you wonder if the folks at MS understand what's happening either. I've found the ideal opening size for the initial OvnPro window on my machine (17" monitor) when I hacked the "Main" template was 500 width and 200 depth. This gave me a satisfactory opening window without taking over too much screen real estate. As ever... Most grateful for your continued work and advice. Cheers Dave S PS: Aha! Just remembered a question about Win DPScan. Is there any setting that can be configured, so the default display size for any graphic loaded into DPScan, is other than the default size you've set (100%)? For example, I'd prefer it when the graphic is loaded, that it's initially displayed at 30 percent full size. D. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 23 13:54:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CLIN4-00028v-SJ-00029k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:54:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CLIN4-00028v-SJ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:39:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLIN4-00028v-SJ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:39:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLIN4-0002Er-GZ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:39:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CLIMu-0005Dw-Kw; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:39:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9N9d2J19323 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:39:02 +0100 Received: from smtp1.global.net.uk (smtp1.global.net.uk [80.189.94.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9N9d1l19320 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:39:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 140.214.adsl.brightview.com ([80.189.214.140] helo=RTV) by smtp1.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1CLIMW-0000jT-NI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:39:00 +0100 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:39:34 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan for Windows Message-ID: <4D0250959E%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4D01CE52D9%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Authenticated-Sender: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article David Pilling wrote: > >> You have to be a registered user of Ovation Pro for Windows to use > >> DPScan. > >Darn! Is this likely to change? > Well maybe. > > > I have no use for OPro on Windows being happy using it on ROS. I use DPSS > > on my RPC, but that no longer has a scanner attached. I have an Epson > > RX500 on my XP desktop & I would prefer to use DPSS4W rather than less > > configurable PC s/w. (Altho', to be fair, the Epson s/w is better than > > most PC scanner s/w I've seen.) > Bear in mind the difference between DPScan and my TWAIN drivers. If > you're after the functionality of my TWAIN drivers - all the stuff in > the window that comes up when you click on Scan, then you'll be > disappointed. Ah. yes, I'd forgotten about that. In reality, then, I want the functionality of your TWAIN drivers on Windows. So when are you writing them? ;-) > > BTW is it possible to use/access a scanner over a network? > Yes but. There are dedicated network scanner drivers for some models of > scanner, sometimes from third parties. I've found RemoteScan which I'll try, but I suspect I'll need something at the client end for it to work. And that being a RPC... > Then potentially one can use any TWAIN driver over a network - I believe > people sell software to do this. However the snag is that many TWAIN > drivers don't support the necessary features, and you'd probably have a > generic interface. > > Google should find this stuff. Hm, but I'll need a ROS TWAIN driver for the RX500. Is there one available & does it support the 'necessary features'? -- It won't hurt; honest! __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:14:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CLLcc-0002mt-Hg; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:07:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLLcc-0002mt-Hg; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:07:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLLcc-00005e-8J; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:07:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CLLc1-00028v-9p; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:07:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9ND6qo19279 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:06:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9ND6pj19276 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:06:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CLLbf-000Eta-20 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:06:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:05:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan for Windows References: <4D01CE52D9%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4D0250959E%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4D0250959E%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Ah. yes, I'd forgotten about that. In reality, then, I want the functionality >of your TWAIN drivers on Windows. So when are you writing them? ;-) No. This is another in my lengthy series "I tell ya, I coulda been a contenda..." of missed chances. Back in 1998 there was a niche where my drivers would have succeeded on Windows. >I've found RemoteScan which I'll try, but I suspect I'll need something at >the client end for it to work. And that being a RPC... Ah all bets are off if you want to use RISC OS over a network to scan. There is an obvious project there, write a RISC OS TWAIN driver which uses a Windows TWAIN driver over the network. A bit like Uniprint, but for scanners. >Hm, but I'll need a ROS TWAIN driver for the RX500. Is there one available & >does it support the 'necessary features'? The 'necessary features' would have to be in the Windows driver. I've not heard of the RX500. Looking at the Linux driver situation (Sane) will tell you what other Epsons it is compatible with, and hence if my existing Epson driver will work with it (probably not). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 23 14:14:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CLLgW-0000AQ-BP-0000B2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:14:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CLLgW-0000AQ-BP; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:11:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLLgW-0000AQ-BP; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:11:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLLgW-0002pB-Aw; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:11:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CLLfg-0003JF-V2; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:11:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9NDAtR19937 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:10:55 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9NDAsv19934 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:10:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CLLfa-000FSV-1s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:10:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:09:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] FileSwop, Image Convert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Ovation Pro (and Techwriter) can load alien file formats using a system called FileSwop - this consists of some system variables set up to specify file types and a *command to execute to convert from one to another. I read in Archive today that RISC OS Select/Adjust has a system of *commands that convert from one image format to another, so I wondered if anyone has attempted to use this with the FileSwop interface? As I see it, all that would be needed is a !app folder with a !Run file in, a few system variable definitions, and you'd be able to transparently load files on Select/Adjust. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 26 18:25:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CLeRd-000124-4l-00012t."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:25:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CLeRd-000124-4l; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:13:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLeRd-000124-4l; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:13:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CLeRd-0006Kd-8r; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:13:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CLeQ9-0000f0-L8; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:12:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9O9Bdt02116 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:11:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9O9Bc902112 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:11:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CLeQF-000Hox-4k for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:12:19 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:10:48 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan for Windows Message-ID: <7dc9d1024d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message from David Pilling of 22 Oct you wrote: > Hi, > > The software that keeps changing its name - DPScan, David Pilling's > Scanning Software, DPSS, Image... is now available for Windows. > > I suspect I may have said this would never happen, however there is a > need to be able to handle some RISC OS file formats on Windows. > > You have to be a registered user of Ovation Pro for Windows to use > DPScan. > > I also need to get in my apology for the file type icons in the current > version. They are temporary. > > The URL; > > http://www.davidpilling.net/dpscan.html > > A quiet thanks for ths, DPscan being one of my most used programs on RISC OS. It will sort out the total lack of flexibility in the raw MS windows where I have a very occasional need to move graphics around. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 27 15:07:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CMmo1-0005cu-G5-0005fv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:07:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CMmo1-0005cu-G5; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:21:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CMmo1-0005cu-G5; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:21:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CMmo1-0002z1-OT; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:21:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CMmnq-000134-V6; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:21:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9RCK6T00456 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:20:06 +0100 Received: from smtp18.wxs.nl (smtp18.wxs.nl [195.121.6.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9RCK6M00449 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:20:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp18.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I68004W9SXHBQ@smtp18.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:20:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:20:49 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Memory problem with DPlingScan 1.21 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4d046eb11fpaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear all, Since upgrading to DPlingScan 1.21, I notice that I can't load more than three JPG's simultaneously (app. 3,7 Mb), where I could easily load 10 of them in the previous version. DPlingScan quits, saying: 'Not enough memory, stack overflow'. Increasing the Max Ram to 300 Mb doesn't have any effect. Running an Iyonix, with 512 Mb Ram and RISC OS 5.07. Very curious about your replies, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 27 15:27:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CMolP-0000Zv-II-0000ah."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:27:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CMolP-0000Zv-II; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:27:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CMolP-0000Zv-II; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:26:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CMolP-0002e7-Aq; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:26:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CMolA-0001WR-DK; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:26:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i9REQMO04513 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:26:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i9REQL904508 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:26:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CMokn-000I7d-0l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:26:21 +0000 Message-ID: <$VAtJkBD$6fBFwAb@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:25:07 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Memory problem with DPlingScan 1.21 References: <4d046eb11fpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4d046eb11fpaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Since upgrading to DPlingScan 1.21, I notice that I can't load more than >three JPG's simultaneously (app. 3,7 Mb), where I could easily load 10 of >them in the previous version. DPlingScan quits, saying: 'Not enough memory, >stack overflow'. Increasing the Max Ram to 300 Mb doesn't have any effect. >Running an Iyonix, with 512 Mb Ram and RISC OS 5.07. 1.21 running on Iyonix will use the "new" memory allocation method. That is instead of using a dynamic area it uses its wimp slot. The point being (see !ReadMe) you can revert to the older option - and see if the problems go away. This newer memory allocation system is not perfect. The problem is that the C library is stuck underneath the memory the application has allocated and so can't extend its work space. For this reason you may find that increasing the wimp slot in !Run is a solution. The thing is that memory management in RISC OS has changed over the years, ideally I'd sit down and write a new memory management system that is optimised for machines using 512MB of memory where the use of dynamic areas is to be avoided. DPScan set off on machines where 4MB was the most likely to be found and there were no dynamic areas. Then there is the suggestion that Castle may change things so that dynamic areas could be used without causing trouble. Anything one does do can only be an option because not everyone is going to switch to RISC OS 5. Funny that I can say "I wish RISC OS had a simple memory management model like Windows does". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net