From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 14 18:58:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C45Mk-0005MN-Rl-0005Mz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:58:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C45Mk-0005MN-Rl; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:20:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C45Mk-0005MN-Rl; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:20:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C45Mk-0004gB-BS; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:20:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C45MZ-0000je-1d; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 23:19:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i85MJcM01527 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:19:38 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i85MJcC01524 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:19:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=46918 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C45MH-0003uz-JM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:19:37 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55794 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C45MF-0004IB-MS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:19:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c49396$8e53f1a0$7302a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <000f01c493ac$4292c730$57070552@JeffWallis> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro - Windows Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 00:20:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Monday, September 06, 2004 2:55 AM , Jeff Wallis wrote: > Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows XP Home > > I am just finding my way around the Windows version having used (and > continue to use) OP on a Risc PC. There seems to be a difference in > the way that frames are moved around the page. On my Risc PC I just > move the cursor into the frame, left click and hold, the 'move' icon > appears and I drag the frame to its new position. In the Windows > version, left clicking and holding in the frame has no effect Windows2000 and XP. Make sure that the cursor is red and blinking - when it is a text frame. This can mean a click in the (first) frame and next (another) click+hold. In my experience, when you create a new frame, a click in the new frame is surely needed to get the cursor appear in the new frame first. Also in a picture frame a click (as if you can let a cursor appear) is needed, before I can use click+hold. Click+hold give a move icon, but only at the moment that I have started moving the frame. It can be moved the same way as in RISC OS. Also additional frames (added with right click). > and the > only way to move the frame is by holding down SHIFT while dragging, > the green frame outline appearing at some random position on the > screen rather than over the original frame. I also have strange effects, when I hold SHIFT down while dragging. But - I have no problem with the default dragging as described above. > Another oddity. I import a TIFF image; after a couple of error > messages 'unknown field with tag 700 ignored - (0 x 2bc)' the image > is displayed. I then go to Picture/Info and it assures me it's a Draw > file so no resolution info. In the current state, I think you get this kind of info for other image formats too, like png. I guess that this is not implemented yet. BMP and sprites give more info, as far as I have seen. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 14 18:58:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C5al3-00079u-Ed-0007AP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:58:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C5al3-00079u-Ed; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:03:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C5al3-00079u-Ed; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:03:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C5al3-00040S-Bh; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:03:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C5akn-0007TF-Mm; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 03:03:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8A22Yk25743 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 03:02:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8A22Yu25740 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 03:02:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 212-229-244-115.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.244.115] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C5akD-000Lw1-0V; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:02:33 +0000 Message-ID: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: Cc: References: <000f01c493ac$4292c730$57070552@JeffWallis> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro - Windows Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 03:05:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, > continue to use) OP on a Risc PC. There seems to be a difference in the way > that frames are moved around the page. Yes up to a point. On RISC OS you do a long click + drag, or you hold down control and do a click + drag. On Windows you can again do a long click + drag or you do a control + right click drag. > down SHIFT while dragging, the green frame outline appearing at some random > position on the screen rather than over the original frame. On both versions Shift constrains movement to horizontal or vertical. What you're seeing is correct, but given you're doing a large drag not very useful. I think you'll find control right click drag sorts things out. > Another oddity. I import a TIFF image; after a couple of error messages > 'unknown field with tag 700 ignored - (0 x 2bc)' the image is displayed. I > then go to Picture/Info and it assures me it's a Draw file so no resolution > info. All bit maps are converted to Draw files. That is done to preserve the resolution information. But good point, you can't actually see it. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 14 18:58:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C5fNv-0004d6-Cx-0004dc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:58:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C5fNv-0004d6-Cx; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:59:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C5fNv-0004d6-Cx; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:59:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C5fNu-0005ST-NW; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:59:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C5fNZ-0001i1-Nc; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:59:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8A6x7j30606 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:59:07 +0100 Received: from mail3.sa.chariot.net.au (mail3.sa.chariot.net.au [203.87.94.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8A6x5u30600 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:59:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by mail3.sa.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB8AA47E8 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:29:03 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (ppp-242.cust203-87-112.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.112.242]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 876895F703 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:29:02 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:03:44 +0830 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro - Windows Message-ID: <7aa704ec4c.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: <000f01c493ac$4292c730$57070552@JeffWallis> <000701c49396$8e53f1a0$7302a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000701c49396$8e53f1a0$7302a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <000701c49396$8e53f1a0$7302a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > On Monday, September 06, 2004 2:55 AM , > Jeff Wallis wrote: > > > Ovation Pro 2.74 Windows XP Home > > > > I am just finding my way around the Windows version having used (and > > continue to use) OP on a Risc PC. There seems to be a difference in > > the way that frames are moved around the page. On my Risc PC I just > > move the cursor into the frame, left click and hold, the 'move' icon > > appears and I drag the frame to its new position. In the Windows > > version, left clicking and holding in the frame has no effect > > Windows2000 and XP. > > Make sure that the cursor is red and blinking - when it is a text frame. > This can mean a click in the (first) frame and next (another) click+hold. > > In my experience, when you create a new frame, a click in the new frame is > surely needed to get the cursor appear in the new frame first. > > Also in a picture frame a click (as if you can let a cursor appear) is > needed, before I can use click+hold. > > Click+hold give a move icon, but only at the moment that I have started > moving the frame. It can be moved the same way as in RISC OS. > Also additional frames (added with right click). > > > > and the > > only way to move the frame is by holding down SHIFT while dragging, > > the green frame outline appearing at some random position on the > > screen rather than over the original frame. > > I also have strange effects, when I hold SHIFT down while dragging. > But - I have no problem with the default dragging as described above. > [SNIP] I have the same problem but it appears that it is only with imported files from the RiscPC frames will only move in one direction selecting one and trying to move it sometimes refuses to move. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 14 18:59:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C6URR-0006kA-5E-0006kj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:59:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C6URR-0006kA-5E; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:30:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C6URR-0006kA-5E; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:30:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C6URR-0003tz-FN; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:30:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C6UR4-0007fW-Q6; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:30:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8CDTpP17076 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:29:51 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DBD3E.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.189.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8CDToD17072 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:29:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C6UQP-0006L4-00 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:29:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:29:49 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS documentation Message-ID: <4ced486473sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Is there documentation available of how to write SparkFS modules? -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 14 22:18:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C7KYv-0004Br-BL-0004Ej."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:18:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C7KYv-0004Br-BL; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:10:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7KYv-0004Br-BL; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:10:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7KYv-0003Up-AI; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:10:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C7KYe-0003xg-Ch; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:09:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8EL9Ff00549 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:09:15 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8EL9E500537 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:09:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C7KY5-000BgC-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:09:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS documentation References: <4ced486473sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4ced486473sbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is there documentation available of how to write SparkFS modules? No. We could discuss this I suppose. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 14 22:18:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C7Kb9-0001dt-D1-0001eZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:18:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C7Kb9-0001dt-D1; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:12:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7Kb9-0001dt-D1; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:12:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7Kb8-0001xC-RE; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:12:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C7Kaq-0007lW-3r; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:12:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8ELBu000926 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:11:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8ELBuR00923 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:11:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C7Kah-000C3b-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:11:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:10:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro - Windows References: <000f01c493ac$4292c730$57070552@JeffWallis> <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> In-Reply-To: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc>, David Pilling >Yes up to a point. On RISC OS you do a long click + drag, or you hold down >control and do a click + drag. On Windows you can again do a long click + >drag or you do a control + right click drag. Looking into this there are some bugs, shift+long click drag didn't always set off a constrained drag, and usually sets it off in the wrong place. Second Control+shift+right click drag was not implemented. So a useful discussion. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 14 22:28:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C7KkS-0004Rs-8P-0004Si."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:28:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C7KkS-0004Rs-8P; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:22:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7KkS-0004Rs-8P; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:22:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7KkS-00057H-6b; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:22:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C7KkC-0005Ee-OO; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:21:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8ELLdm02216 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:21:39 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (p5091BDCA.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.189.202]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8ELLc802210 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:21:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7Kk4-0008NW-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:21:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:21:54 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS documentation Message-ID: <4cee7b48e5sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4ced486473sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > >Is there documentation available of how to write SparkFS modules? > No. I see. Is it just "not available" or doesn't it exist? > We could discuss this I suppose. All right. :-) -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 14 23:08:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C7LTK-0005vz-CJ-0005xB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:08:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C7LTK-0005vz-CJ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7LTK-0005vz-CJ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7LTK-0001F5-Kb; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C7LT5-0001nF-RL; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:08:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8EM7wa09958 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:07:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8EM7wd09955 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:07:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C7LSv-000Kvc-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:07:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:06:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS documentation References: <4ced486473sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cee7b48e5sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cee7b48e5sbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I see. Is it just "not available" or doesn't it exist? It does not exist. It is defined by the source code, and that isn't commented. In the early years I did fine tune the interface, and it was quite good there being no third party modules. Why would I document things which only I need to understand... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 15 14:14:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C7RiR-00076c-OE-00077f."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:14:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C7RiR-00076c-OE; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:48:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7RiR-00076c-OE; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:48:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7RiR-0003Sb-92; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:48:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C7Ri8-0004sh-QP; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:48:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8F4lUv04939 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:47:30 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DB217.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.178.23]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8F4lTg04935 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:47:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7RhX-0003Qu-00 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:47:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:47:09 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS documentation Message-ID: <4ceea40c5asbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4ced486473sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cee7b48e5sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > >I see. Is it just "not available" or doesn't it exist? > It does not exist. It is defined by the source code, and that isn't > commented. Ok, what about making a quick and short documentation regarding the inerface between SparkFS and the modules? Then I can see whether what I want to do is possible. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 15 14:54:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C7Zx5-0001li-SX-0001nj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:54:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C7Zx5-0001li-SX; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:36:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7Zx5-0001li-SX; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:36:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7Zx5-0002zx-KL; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:36:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C7Zwm-0001tz-4O; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:35:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8FDYau27395 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:34:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8FDYZ927391 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:34:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C7Zvf-0004e4-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:34:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:33:13 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS documentation References: <4ced486473sbellon@sbellon.de> <4cee7b48e5sbellon@sbellon.de> <4ceea40c5asbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4ceea40c5asbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Ok, what about making a quick and short documentation regarding the >inerface between SparkFS and the modules? Then I can see whether what I >want to do is possible. Tell me what you want to do, if I'm sympathetic I'll make the info available - presumably in the form of the source code for an existing module. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 02:14:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C7kis-0000Nh-Mo-0000OU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:14:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C7kis-0000Nh-Mo; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:06:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7kis-0000Nh-Mo; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:06:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7kir-000033-Nl; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:06:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C7kiG-0007lQ-3x; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:05:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8G155b28449 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:05:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8G154J28446 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:05:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C7khs-000Kss-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:05:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:04:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Ovation Pro for Windows is supplied with a collection of True Type fonts which make handling documents originally produced on RISC OS easier. Registered users of Ovation Pro for Windows can download the font installer from http://www.davidpilling.net/fonts.html, The fonts are; Bookmark - the Beebug equivalent of PostScript Bookman, Computer Concepts BookM or Acorn Robinson. Chaucer - the Beebug equivalent of PostScript Zapf Chancery or Acorn Churchill. Curator - the Beebug equivalent of Acorn Corpus. DPDings - an equivalent of Acorn Selwyn. Paladin - the Beebug equivalent of PostScript Palatino or Acorn and Computer Concepts Pembroke. SwissB - the Beebug equivalent of Acorn Homerton. SymbolB - the Beebug equivalent of PostScript Symbol or Acorn Sidney. Vogue - the Beebug equivalent of PostScript AvantGarde, Computer Concepts AvantG or Acorn Clare. Click on the font names to see samples in PDF format. Text fonts contain full set of the Latin encodings as found in Windows codepages 1252, 1250, 1254 and 1257 and have 4 weights (except Chaucer). They contain more characters than in the Acorn Latin 1 character set used by current Windows and RISC OS versions of Ovation Pro. However future Unicode enabled versions will be able to use all these characters. The Windows Character Map application (available from Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools or sometimes just Accessories) can be used to view all the characters. The fonts can be used from any Windows program. You can change the Ovation Pro font manager settings, so that Corpus used in a RISC OS document is mapped to Curator instead of to Courier New and so that Homerton is mapped to SwissB instead of Arial. DPDings is a new font required because the Selwyn font produced by Acorn to map to Zapf Dingbats for PostScript printing has a different order of characters. Other possible maps are Pembroke to Paladin, BookM to Bookmark and AvantG to Vogue. These will be especially useful if you are importing Impression documents into Ovation Pro for Windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 16:54:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C7qEh-0006IL-QE-0006JN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:54:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C7qEh-0006IL-QE; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:59:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7qEh-0006IL-QE; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:59:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7qEg-000168-UH; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:59:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C7qEP-0000cd-2B; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:59:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8G6wU716466 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:58:30 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8G6wT916462 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:58:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from BRUCEA6 ([82.44.100.114]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:58:54 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:58:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 06:58:54.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[A120CC00:01C49BBA] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > Ovation Pro for Windows is supplied with a collection of True Type > fonts which make handling documents originally produced on RISC OS > easier. > Paladin - the Beebug equivalent of PostScript Palatino or Acorn and > Computer Concepts Pembroke. Pembroke was in fact my design, licensed to Computer Concepts... (and also, as it happens, to Clares, for use with Tempest - who here remembers that, I wonder? I still have my early copy and packaging.) Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 16:55:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C7tHh-0000KF-7P-0000Kv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:55:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C7tHh-0000KF-7P; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:14:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7tHh-0000KF-7P; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:14:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7tHg-0006BH-MJ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:14:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C7tHT-0004u2-EI; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:14:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8GADqU31563 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:13:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8GADq631557 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:13:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C7tGx-0000W3-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:13:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:10:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts Message-ID: <4cef457b4fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> References: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16 Sep, Bruce Goatly wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > Ovation Pro for Windows is supplied with a collection of True Type > > fonts which make handling documents originally produced on RISC OS > > easier. > > Paladin - the Beebug equivalent of PostScript Palatino or Acorn and > > Computer Concepts Pembroke. > > Pembroke was in fact my design, licensed to Computer Concepts... (and > also, as it happens, to Clares, for use with Tempest - who here > remembers that, I wonder? I still have my early copy and packaging.) I do indeed remember Tempest as it was on the University suite of Arcs. However they never could find the manual for me - so I didn't manage to get it to produce anything. ;-( Pembroke/Palatino is a nicely distinctive body font. For some reason my copies of Palatino and Pembroke have both disappeared but I do have a copy of Paladin in a folder marked Beebug. Must get that lot sorted... -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 17:24:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C7yuo-0001N9-5Z-0001Nv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:24:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C7yuo-0001N9-5Z; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:15:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7yuo-0001N9-5Z; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:15:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C7yuo-00066u-F2; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:15:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C7yuG-0005kz-1T; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:14:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8GGER007683 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:14:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8GGEP207674 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:14:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C7ytt-000NAl-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:14:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:13:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts References: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> In-Reply-To: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Pembroke was in fact my design, licensed to Computer Concepts... (and also, >as it happens Well that is interesting. (thinks, sweet words should stop him suing). I believe that Acorn did supply Pembroke with some packages? What inclines one to saying "Acorn" is the font name being a college name. Would you like me to change the wording (the web page repeats the text in the posting)? >, to Clares, for use with Tempest - who here remembers that, I >wonder? I still have my early copy and packaging.) I do. It was very good. However as far as I know never finished. This backs up my experience of DTP software, the last 10% takes 90% of the effort. If you look at the original Ovation manual, my name is not mentioned, that is because Beebug were convinced I would never complete the program. We thought it would take six months at most, so when it took eighteen everyone was surprised. Anyway part of the fun was being shown Tempest and told "this is great, why doesn't our program work that fast". Beebug had bad experiences with programmers who could not finish what they started, so they knew the signs. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 19:14:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C80gU-0004VA-Mj-0004XL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:14:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C80gU-0004VA-Mj; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:08:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C80gU-0004VA-Mj; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:08:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C80gT-0007n7-PQ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:08:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C80ct-0002k6-AT; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:04:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8GI4ht32277 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:04:43 +0100 Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8GI4gx32269 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:04:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from BRUCEA6 ([82.44.100.114]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:05:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001901c49c17$a48113c0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts (now veering OT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:04:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 18:05:07.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3153970:01C49C17] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> Pembroke was in fact my design, licensed to Computer Concepts... >> (and also, as it happens > > Well that is interesting. (thinks, sweet words should stop him > suing). I believe that Acorn did supply Pembroke with some packages? > What inclines one to saying "Acorn" is the font name being a college > name. Very much the reason I chose the name... > Would you like me to change the wording (the web page repeats the text > in the posting)? I'm not too bothered now, but if you're able to set the record straight without trouble it would be pleasant. I did drop a slightly dry note to CC about it at the time, but as far as I know no attribution was ever made. I'm not the litigious sort. >> , to Clares, for use with Tempest - who here remembers that, I >> wonder? I still have my early copy and packaging.) > > I do. It was very good. However as far as I know never finished. Exactly right. I'm racking my brains to think who the programmer was - I remember meeting him at a show, as he was proudly putting Tempest through its considerable paces. > Beebug had bad experiences with programmers who could not finish what > they started, so they knew the signs. As the program matures, the challenge fades - I guess it's the original challenge that's the stimulus. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 20:35:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C81tM-0006e7-NM-0006el."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:35:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C81tM-0006e7-NM; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:26:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C81tM-0006e7-NM; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:26:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C81tM-00021R-1X; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:26:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C81sw-0006Cw-Cl; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:25:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8GJPSi14438 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:25:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8GJPRt14435 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:25:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C81sl-0001nt-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:25:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:24:13 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts (now veering OT) References: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <001901c49c17$a48113c0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> In-Reply-To: <001901c49c17$a48113c0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I'm not too bothered now, but if you're able to set the record straight >without trouble it would be pleasant. I did drop a slightly dry note to CC >about it at the time, but as far as I know no attribution was ever made. I'm >not the litigious sort. Well what I'm doing is saying whose programs the fonts came with, rather than crediting designers. John Wallace did many of the early Beebug fonts. Maybe I see what you're saying, you originated the font, and various parties used it? >As the program matures, the challenge fades - I guess it's the original >challenge that's the stimulus. No. Programmers just do the easy bits, the bits they fancy doing, first. Then when the going gets tough they get fed up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 20:35:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C81wA-0005Ps-BX-0005S5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:35:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C81wA-0005Ps-BX; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:28:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C81wA-0005Ps-BX; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:28:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C81wA-0004pn-C7; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:28:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C81vw-0004Ov-5Z; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:28:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8GJSes14908 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:28:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8GJSdU14898 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:28:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dougal.locationworks.com ([62.49.148.34] helo=localhost) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C81vr-00085m-4f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:28:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell Gatherer To: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:23:44 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts Message-ID: <4cef782338lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> References: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6>, Bruce Goatly wrote: > > Paladin - the Beebug equivalent of PostScript Palatino or Acorn and > > Computer Concepts Pembroke. > > Pembroke was in fact my design, licensed to Computer Concepts... Thanks for that; I still use it every day for correspondence. I have always greatly preferred Pembroke / Palatino to Trinity / Times. -- Kell Gatherer kell@locsource.com is a SPAM TRAP: use kell at location hyphen works dot com www.locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 20:55:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C82DU-0006kx-4G-0006lZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:55:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C82DU-0006kx-4G; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:46:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C82DU-0006kx-4G; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:46:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C82DU-0003S2-4y; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:46:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C82D6-0001Qs-Rw; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:46:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8GJkNb17811 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:46:23 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8GJkNX17808 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:46:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C82D0-000F5M-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:46:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:45:11 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts References: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <4cef782338lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <4cef782338lists@locsource.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Pembroke was in fact my design, licensed to Computer Concepts... I remember Tempest and I still have a copy of the rather buggy demo version, in its original packaging, buried somewhere in my room. IIRC, it was supposed to be able to import Acorn DTP files as well as its own file format but I think it lost out to Impression and Ovation which came along at about the same time. -- David Briggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 20:55:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C82Ej-0005A9-7t-0005Ay."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:55:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C82Ej-0005A9-7t; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:48:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C82Ej-0005A9-7t; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:48:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C82Ej-0003th-8b; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:48:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C82EN-0001r6-30; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:47:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8GJlil18115 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:47:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8GJliu18112 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:47:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C82EJ-000FCR-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:47:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:46:12 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts References: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <4cef782338lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <4cef782338lists@locsource.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: charles hope > >Pembroke was in fact my design, licensed to Computer Concepts... (and > >also, as it happens > Well that is interesting. (thinks, sweet words should stop him suing). I > believe that Acorn did supply Pembroke with some packages? What inclines > one to saying "Acorn" is the font name being a college name. Sob ... no one produced one called "Magdalene" -- Using an Iyonix, running RISC OS5. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 21:35:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C82y0-00035d-5D-000363."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:35:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C82y0-00035d-5D; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:34:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C82y0-00035d-5D; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:34:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C82y0-0000nJ-DT; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:34:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C82xk-0002ot-MB; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:34:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8GKYVj25819 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:34:31 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8GKYUL25815 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:34:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C82xZ-0002TD-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:34:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:29:14 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts Message-ID: <4cef7e2242john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <4cef782338lists@locsource.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >From: charles hope > > >Pembroke was in fact my design, licensed to Computer Concepts... (and > > >also, as it happens > > Well that is interesting. (thinks, sweet words should stop him suing). > > I believe that Acorn did supply Pembroke with some packages? What > > inclines one to saying "Acorn" is the font name being a college name. > Sob ... no one produced one called "Magdalene" You design it - you name it. I suggest a RISC OS version of Minion. As long as it's of the same standard as EFF fonts I'll buy a set from you. ;-) -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 23:15:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C84Ut-0006A3-IE-0006Af."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:15:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C84Ut-0006A3-IE; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:13:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C84Ut-0006A3-IE; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:12:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C84Ut-0007H7-DD; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:12:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C84Ua-0003TJ-QB; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:12:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8GMCTs08427 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:12:29 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8GMCS608424 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:12:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from BRUCEA6 ([82.44.100.114]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:12:53 +0100 Message-ID: <009e01c49c3a$3c9ffa50$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <001901c49c17$a48113c0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts (now veering OT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:12:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 22:12:53.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FFC2F60:01C49C3A] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: [Pembroke] > Maybe I see what you're saying, you originated the font, and various > parties used it? Exactly so. I should have added a copyright string. 8-) Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 16 23:25:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C84Xr-0007OW-DS-0007PG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:25:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C84Xr-0007OW-DS; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:16:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C84Xr-0007OW-DS; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:16:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C84Xq-0000OV-MX; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:16:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C84XM-0007mj-37; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:15:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8GMFSS08727 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:15:28 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8GMFQA08721 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:15:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from BRUCEA6 ([82.44.100.114]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:15:51 +0100 Message-ID: <00a301c49c3a$a65dd520$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <4cef782338lists@locsource.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:15:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 22:15:51.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9BB69C0:01C49C3A] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Kell Gatherer wrote: > Thanks for that; I still use it every day for correspondence. I have > always greatly preferred Pembroke / Palatino to Trinity / Times. That's pleasant to hear - and if I remember correctly you designed some fonts for Beebug, did you not? (Are you listening, John?) Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 17 14:03:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C8ClC-0003JH-Hc-0003Jz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:03:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C8ClC-0003JH-Hc; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:02:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C8ClC-0003JH-Hc; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:02:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C8ClB-00073C-VV; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:02:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C8CkJ-0001yR-Sm; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:01:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8H6xbn20828 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:59:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8H6xaj20824 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:59:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C8CiW-0006qc-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 06:59:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:58:15 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts (now veering OT) Message-ID: References: <009e01c49c3a$3c9ffa50$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> In-Reply-To: <009e01c49c3a$3c9ffa50$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 16 Sep, "Bruce Goatly" wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > [Pembroke] > > > Maybe I see what you're saying, you originated the font, and various > > parties used it? > > Exactly so. I should have added a copyright string. 8-) To the best of my knowledge, you still have copyright whether or no you put a string there. The problem is proving that you did the work. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 18 14:56:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C8feS-0002GG-Mq-0002H5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:56:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C8feS-0002GG-Mq; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:53:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C8feS-0002GG-Mq; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:53:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C8feR-0000LT-SZ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:53:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C8feC-0003Uc-Ue; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:53:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8IDqTd26613 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:52:29 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8IDqS426610 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:52:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dougal.locationworks.com ([62.49.148.34] helo=localhost) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C8fdc-000Oks-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:52:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell Gatherer To: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:01:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts Message-ID: <4cf051d0a1lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <00a301c49c3a$a65dd520$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> References: <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <4cef782338lists@locsource.com> <00a301c49c3a$a65dd520$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <00a301c49c3a$a65dd520$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6>, Bruce Goatly wrote: > > Thanks for that; I still use it every day for correspondence. I have > > always greatly preferred Pembroke / Palatino to Trinity / Times. > That's pleasant to hear - and if I remember correctly you designed some > fonts for Beebug, did you not? (Are you listening, John?) Lots. Amongst others, Buick, Cabaal, JungleDrum, Rob_Roy. My brother Nigel did lots as well, too many to list here, but including Liberton, Salisbury, Waverley, Joppa, OldTown and NewTown (all named after Edinburgh areas). Regards, -- Kell Gatherer kell@locsource.com is a SPAM TRAP: use kell at location hyphen works dot com www.locationworks.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 21 19:28:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C8npZ-0001DI-MN-0001E7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:28:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C8npZ-0001DI-MN; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:37:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C8npZ-0001DI-MN; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:37:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C8npZ-00020v-OR; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:37:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C8npI-00058Q-LC; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:37:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8IMZul32324 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:35:56 +0100 Received: from grunt15.ihug.co.nz (grunt15.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8IMZsM32317 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:35:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from p70.hn1.wave.co.nz (albion) [203.96.192.70] by grunt15.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C8no5-0004wU-00; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:35:50 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:43:42 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro leader problem Message-ID: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="4cef062d8fh96/MyTs5AmTpqgsZyAtB4" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_48_96,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a MIME encapsulated message. --4cef062d8fh96/MyTs5AmTpqgsZyAtB4 Content-Type: text/plain Hi, I have over the last couple of days been trying to solve a problem relating to leaders. I have a style defined (ToC) to produce nicely set out tables of contents for a book (there are some hundreds of these - it is a large three volume book). Where I am looking at, for example a book section there is a separate document (chapter) giving the table of contents. In this document the page numbers appear properly with leaders (. ) right up to the page number at the right tab. In some of the chapters there are ancillary tables of contents for various definitions. These appear after a few pages of text; the ToC style is used but no leaders appear unless the 'title' is very short (just a few letters) - and even then they only appear up to the next left tab - not right to the right tab at the end. I have tried cutting down the second kind of chapter by removing all ancillary text - but the problem remains. If anyone has seen and cured this kind of problem I would be very grateful for help. I attach a small style sheet which contains only the styles in use in the ToCs (the 'indent' style -may- interfere, but the tabbing appears always to conform to the ToC tab ruler - so I am not sure! 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I have a style defined (ToC) to produce nicely set out > tables of contents for a book (there are some hundreds of these - it is a > large three volume book). Where I am looking at, for example a book section > there is a separate document (chapter) giving the table of contents. In > this document the page numbers appear properly with leaders (. ) right up > to the page number at the right tab. > > In some of the chapters there are ancillary tables of contents for > various definitions. These appear after a few pages of text; the ToC style > is used but no leaders appear unless the 'title' is very short (just a few > letters) - and even then they only appear up to the next left tab - not > right to the right tab at the end. > > I have tried cutting down the second kind of chapter by removing all > ancillary text - but the problem remains. If anyone has seen and cured this > kind of problem I would be very grateful for help. I attach a small style > sheet which contains only the styles in use in the ToCs (the 'indent' style > -may- interfere, but the tabbing appears always to conform to the ToC tab > ruler - so I am not sure! For the ToC style do you need the early left tabs? I'd be inclined to delete them just keeping the leader on the right aligned tab position and use different styles for differently indented sub-sections instead of putting everything into one style (if that is how you are working), eg I'd have 3 styles for this: Styles . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 Applying . . . . . . . . . . 13 from menu . . . . . . . 13 by keyboard . . . . . . 13 Defining . . . . . . . . . . 10 Is the Line scope for the ToC style important to the way you work? I'd prefer making it Paragraph with a return at the end of each line. I'd also make the ruler explicit for the indent style - whether the same as the ToC ruler or different. As it is at present the indent style will inherit the tab ruler from whatever styles are applied before the indent style - therefore possibly inconsistent within the document. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 21 19:29:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C9hTG-0001Bo-RX-0001DV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:29:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C9hTG-0001Bo-RX; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:02:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C9hTG-0001Bo-RX; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:02:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C9hTG-0000a9-CB; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:02:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C9hSp-0006RE-Vo; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:01:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8LA0Se26257 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:00:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8LA0Pt26229 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:00:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9hRg-000835-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:00:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:19:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OP: mail merge questions Message-ID: <4cf1be0d71Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I understand that mail merge uses CSV files, where any field that needs embedded commas should have its value enclosed by double quotes. What should I do to include a double-quote in such a field? Is it possible to include a tab, newline, or newparagraph in such a field? Is there a way to place a merge indicator inside a text frame that is very small? Or rather, having done so and having the frame then display the overflow arrow, how does one then apply an effect to the merge indicator - or even see that it is there? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 21 22:38:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C9sIA-0003zD-Ca-00040C."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:38:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C9sIA-0003zD-Ca; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:35:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C9sIA-0003zD-Ca; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:35:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C9sIA-0007D6-KB; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:35:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C9sHs-0006S2-EK; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:35:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8LLYa906727 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:34:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8LLYZd06723 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:34:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9sHT-000HG9-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:34:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:33:16 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro leader problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >various definitions. These appear after a few pages of text; the ToC style >is used but no leaders appear unless the 'title' is very short (just a few >letters) - and even then they only appear up to the next left tab - not >right to the right tab at the end. Could I see an example document where it goes wrong? I wonder if there could be an effect applied to the problem text, which is causing the trouble. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 21 22:48:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C9sNE-0006az-Im-0006bk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:48:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C9sNE-0006az-Im; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:40:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C9sNE-0006az-Im; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:40:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C9sNE-0002Rw-Ik; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:40:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C9sMw-0001Jq-PS; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:40:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8LLe0i07641 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:40:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8LLe0E07638 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:40:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9sMh-00050n-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:39:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:38:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: mail merge questions References: <4cf1be0d71Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf1be0d71Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I understand that mail merge uses CSV files, where any field that needs >embedded commas should have its value enclosed by double quotes. What >should I do to include a double-quote in such a field? ISTR you can use two double quotes, and looking at the source, you can also use \" >Is it possible to include a tab, newline, or newparagraph in such a >field? Yes the full range of C escapes is supported, \n, \r, \v, \t, \f >Is there a way to place a merge indicator inside a text frame that is >very small? Or rather, having done so and having the frame then >display the overflow arrow, how does one then apply an effect to the >merge indicator - or even see that it is there? If you can get the caret in the frame, select all, then apply effect. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 22 02:18:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1C9vgg-0003IB-73-0003It."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:18:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1C9vgg-0003IB-73; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:12:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C9vgg-0003IB-73; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:12:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1C9vgf-00011l-RT; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:12:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1C9vgF-0003Cw-Dy; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:12:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8M1C1q04439 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:12:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8M1C0O04434 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:12:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9vfs-0003nG-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:12:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:10:15 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: mail merge questions Message-ID: <4cf22b0aa3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4cf1be0d71Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > [various answers] Thanks! -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 22 16:04:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CA8Wt-0001o3-E3-0001pG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:04:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CA8Wt-0001o3-E3; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:55:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CA8Wt-0001o3-E3; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:55:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CA8Wt-00029y-0v; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:55:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CA8Wg-0007Uo-2L; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:55:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8MEsqr22846 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:54:52 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8MEspI22835 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:54:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.174.206.92] (helo=brookland.plus.com) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CA8W5-00097V-B6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:54:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:37:41 +0100 From: Tom Chubb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Unable to load document Message-ID: <07f774f24c.tomc@tomc.brookland.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have a document which won't load, failing with the error message "Document contents have changed since being saved". I tried changing the file type to DDL, but that also fails with "=needed at 1" Any ideas? SARPC 3.7 OPro 2.72 Many thanks, Tom C -- Tom Chubb in Parkgate, Cheshire To re-write your life story: www.topprog.co.uk www.brookland.plus.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 22 17:34:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CA9zI-0006jg-Cu-0006kx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:34:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CA9zI-0006jg-Cu; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:29:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CA9zI-0006jg-Cu; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:29:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CA9zH-0004HZ-PL; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:28:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CA9z4-0007Kw-LJ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:28:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8MGSRD15264 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:28:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8MGSQl15259 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:28:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CA9yk-000PHb-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:28:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:26:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Unable to load document References: <07f774f24c.tomc@tomc.brookland.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <07f774f24c.tomc@tomc.brookland.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have a document which won't load, failing with the error message >"Document contents have changed since being saved". Later versions of OP checksum the contents of documents. If you get the above error it means the contents of the document have changed since they were saved - an example of how this can happen, is that the document has been corrupted on disc by a faulty disc drive interface. So you have a potentially corrupt document, and the corruption has occurred outside OP. What I'd do is turn off document checking from OP General choices. That may let you load the document - depends how bad the corruption. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 22 17:44:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAA6E-0005Fk-Sx-0005Ge."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:44:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAA6E-0005Fk-Sx; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:36:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAA6E-0005Fk-Sx; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:36:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAA6E-0006g0-PD; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:36:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAA5u-0000jO-BT; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:35:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8MGZin16698 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:35:44 +0100 Received: from smtp.fireflyuk.net (mail3.fireflyuk.net [207.44.238.99] (may be forged)) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8MGZhI16694 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:35:43 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost by smtp.fireflyuk.net (FireFly Email Server v6.2.1) with SMTP id MUN74094 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:35:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:32:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] no current file Message-ID: <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> References: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I tried sending this to ovationpro@list.barnet.ac.uk but it keeps getting returned... perhaps this one will be better? ===================================================== I wonder if this is a bug or if something on my system is causing it. If I have a document loaded in OP and I copy selected text and then I paste that text back into the document an error message 'no current file' appears. It seems that if the document has been saved then the pasting works if done by CTL-V. If done from the main menu: edit=> paste I get the same error message but then there is a fatal error type 5 and the document gets lost. If the document has not been saved then the same thing happens but there is always a fatal error. I have notice this for some time, but until today I have always had saved documents and used CTL-C and CTL-V so the fatal error never occurred. It does not depend on the document - I just tried a new one with a simple sentence. using RISC-PC strongarm OS 3.7 -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 22 18:24:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAAif-0006bP-8I-0006c7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:24:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAAif-0006bP-8I; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:15:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAAif-0006bP-8I; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:15:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAAif-0000UA-A1; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:15:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAAhv-0003Va-O6; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:15:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8MHF0p24942 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:15:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8MHF0c24930 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:15:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CAAhn-000A12-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:15:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:13:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] no current file References: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I tried sending this to ovationpro@list.barnet.ac.uk but it keeps It's over two years since the list moved from there. >If I have a document loaded in OP and I copy selected >text and then I paste that text back into the document >an error message 'no current file' appears. I think this is an applet problem. My recollection is that an applet was messing about with the current file setting. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 22 19:24:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CABdU-0007ax-Lb-0007bW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:24:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CABdU-0007ax-Lb; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:14:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CABdU-0007ax-Lb; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:14:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CABdU-0002wQ-Fe; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:14:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CABdE-0004uY-Fd; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:14:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8MIE7B03526 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:14:07 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8MIE7b03512 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:14:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.174.207.152] (helo=brookland.plus.com) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CABcv-000ICI-DP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:14:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:04 +0100 From: Tom Chubb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Unable to load document Message-ID: <9f6888f24c.tomc@tomc.brookland.plus.com> References: <07f774f24c.tomc@tomc.brookland.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: >>I have a document which won't load, failing with the error message >>"Document contents have changed since being saved". > >Later versions of OP checksum the contents of documents. If you get the >above error it means the contents of the document have changed since >they were saved - an example of how this can happen, is that the >document has been corrupted on disc by a faulty disc drive interface. > >So you have a potentially corrupt document, and the corruption has >occurred outside OP. > >What I'd do is turn off document checking from OP General choices. That >may let you load the document - depends how bad the corruption. Many thanks, David. That did the trick, and I was able to get at the information I needed. Regards, Tom C -- Tom Chubb in Parkgate, Cheshire To re-write your life story: www.topprog.co.uk www.brookland.plus.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 22 20:54:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAD3A-0006hB-4l-0006hx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:54:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAD3A-0006hB-4l; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:45:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAD3A-0006hB-4l; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:45:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAD3A-0004fB-68; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:45:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAD2r-00042s-PZ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:44:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8MJiff18213 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:44:41 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (B.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8MJiej18209 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:44:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CAD2d-0000cB-Vx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:44:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:43:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: no current file Message-ID: <4cf29101f2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> References: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i8MJifj18210 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk>, rod a wrote: > It seems that if the document has been saved then the > pasting works if done by CTL-V. If done from the main > menu: edit=> paste > I get the same error message but then there is a fatal > error type 5 and the document gets lost. I'm not sure if it is causing your problem, but if you have the NudgePal applet installed, then try un-installing it. It responds to events related to copying and pasting, so it could be that. If you are using NudgePal and removing it does solve your problem let me know which version of NudgePal it is. Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 22 21:04:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CADK0-0006RL-FR-0006SS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:04:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CADK0-0006RL-FR; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:02:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CADK0-0006RL-FR; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:02:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CADK0-00036v-HZ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:02:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CADJk-000637-Il; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:02:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8MK24L21377 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:02:04 +0100 Received: from mta2.wss.scd.yahoo.com (mta2.wss.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.85.33]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8MK23Z21374 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:02:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from btopenworld (213.122.180.165) by mta2.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016) (authenticated as jades@jades.org) id 4124EBD40174A0E1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:02:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:01:43 +0100 From: Graham Thurlwell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts Message-ID: <114d09f24c.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com> References: <4cef782338lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <4cef782338lists@locsource.com> X-Organization: Jades' FFE Site (http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On the 16 Sep 2004, Kell Gatherer wrote: > In article <001701c49bba$8edc4880$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6>, > Bruce Goatly wrote: > > > Paladin - the Beebug equivalent of PostScript Palatino or Acorn and > > > Computer Concepts Pembroke. > > > > > > Pembroke was in fact my design, licensed to Computer Concepts... > > Thanks for that; I still use it every day for correspondence. I have > always greatly preferred Pembroke / Palatino to Trinity / Times. You know, I've spent months trying to find a RISC OS equivalent to Palatino, as it's the font used in the Puffin editions of the Fighting Fantasy books. I never thought it would be Pembroke, which is one of my favourite fonts and we've had since we got Impression 2! I thought the adventure sheets I'd knocked up in Draw using Pembroke as a stopgap font looked uncannily like the ones in the book. I've just knocked up a test page in Ovation, consisting of a paragraph from the book in roughly the same font size (12pt) and sure enough they're virtually identical! -- Graham Thurlwell. Jades' First Encounters Site. http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 22 21:14:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CADLq-0005bc-MK-0005c1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:14:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CADLq-0005bc-MK; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:04:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CADLq-0005bc-MK; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:04:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CADLq-0002jn-Mp; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:04:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CADLd-0001Rx-Bo; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:04:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8MK4E121667 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:04:14 +0100 Received: from smtp.fireflyuk.net (mail3.fireflyuk.net [207.44.238.99] (may be forged)) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8MK4DW21663 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:04:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost by smtp.fireflyuk.net (FireFly Email Server v6.2.1) with SMTP id MUN74094 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:04:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:00:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: no current file Message-ID: <4cf29282dbrod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf29101f2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> <4cf29101f2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SEARCH_ENGINE_PROMO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 22 Sep, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk>, > rod a wrote: > > It seems that if the document has been saved then the > > pasting works if done by CTL-V. If done from the main > > menu: edit=> paste > > I get the same error message but then there is a fatal > > error type 5 and the document gets lost. > I'm not sure if it is causing your problem, but if you have the NudgePal > applet installed, then try un-installing it. It responds to events > related to copying and pasting, so it could be that. > If you are using NudgePal and removing it does solve your problem let me > know which version of NudgePal it is. No, I don't have it. At least it is not listed in the menu nor in my Applets directory. So NudgePal is innocent! -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 22 21:54:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAE51-0004cc-N8-0004dG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:54:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAE51-0004cc-N8; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:51:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAE51-0004cc-N8; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:51:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAE50-0005Wy-W6; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:51:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAE4n-0000h1-NA; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:50:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8MKoov28466 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:50:50 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8MKooL28463 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:50:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.25.17] (helo=myriscpc.nom) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CAE4f-000Nmz-NZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:50:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:49:28 +0100 (BST) From: Arthur Taylor Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <114d09f24c.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor @ home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Tue 21 Sep, Graham Thurlwell wrote: Snip > > You know, I've spent months trying to find a RISC OS equivalent to > Palatino, as it's the font used in the Puffin editions of the Fighting > Fantasy books. I never thought it would be Pembroke, which is one of my > favourite fonts and we've had since we got Impression 2! > AFAIK (and recognise), EFF's Michael is also a Palatino look-alike. > I thought the adventure sheets I'd knocked up in Draw using Pembroke as > a stopgap font looked uncannily like the ones in the book. I've just > knocked up a test page in Ovation, consisting of a paragraph from the > book in roughly the same font size (12pt) and sure enough they're > virtually identical! > -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 22 22:04:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAEHY-0003cK-HJ-0003d7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:04:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAEHY-0003cK-HJ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:04:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAEHY-0003cK-HJ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:04:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAEHY-0003Aq-56; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:04:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAEHL-0003qA-8d; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:03:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8ML3m330652 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:03:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8ML3lE30649 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:03:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CAEHD-0009NZ-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:03:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:01:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Windows Fonts Message-ID: <4cf2981ae4john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <114d09f24c.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 22 Sep, Arthur Taylor wrote: > In on Tue 21 Sep, Graham Thurlwell wrote: > Snip > > > > You know, I've spent months trying to find a RISC OS equivalent to > > Palatino, as it's the font used in the Puffin editions of the Fighting > > Fantasy books. I never thought it would be Pembroke, which is one of my > > favourite fonts and we've had since we got Impression 2! > > > AFAIK (and recognise), EFF's Michael is also a Palatino look-alike. It is indeed. According to EFF: "This typeface was designed in 1949 by Hermann Zapf. It is a very modern serif face, with a large x-height, many straight lines and a dynamic appearance. The face is a favourite with paperback book publishers." It's on the EFF Professional Typography CD. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 23 19:07:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAXrx-00058m-MQ-00059Y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:07:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAXrx-00058m-MQ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:59:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAXrx-00058m-MQ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:59:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAXrx-0007nK-PL; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:59:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAXrL-0001zS-Km; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:58:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8NHvhP18750 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:57:43 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8NHvg618745 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:57:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.87]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040923081832.TLNY28875.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@JeffWallis> for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:18:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> From: "Jeff Wallis" To: "List PillingSoftware" Subject: [softwarelist] Saving macros - OP for Windows Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:19:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) There seems to be a problem when saving a new configuration for the button bar. Saving the new configuration from the macros list window appears to have no effect and the original configuration is restored the next time OP is loaded. A work-round is to save the file elsewhere using 'save as' and then copying it into OvationPro/Autorun. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 23 20:17:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAZ2J-0004GY-82-0004HD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:17:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAZ2J-0004GY-82; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:13:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAZ2J-0004GY-82; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:13:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAZ2J-0001W6-AW; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:13:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAZ22-0007PZ-Hs; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:13:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8NJDJL01629 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:13:19 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8NJDJR01624 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:13:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CAZ1q-000GHv-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:13:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:11:44 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Saving macros - OP for Windows References: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> In-Reply-To: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >There seems to be a problem when saving a new configuration for the >button bar. Saving the new configuration from the macros list window >appears to have no effect and the original configuration is restored >the next time OP is loaded. Hmm. There's a long running catch, basically someone installs a file in the Autorun folder which sets up macros (button bar height) and which is always run after the !Macros file that OP saves there. So my advice would be to investigate the contents of Autorun. I think at one time Beebug issued a file which caused this problem, which wasn't very helpful. Files are executed in alphabetic order. >A work-round is to save the file elsewhere using 'save as' and then >copying it into OvationPro/Autorun. And giving it what name? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 23 21:27:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAa9W-0003nw-Ed-0003oo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:27:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAa9W-0003nw-Ed; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:25:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAa9W-0003nw-Ed; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:25:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAa9W-0006VR-BZ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:25:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAa99-000887-KO; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:24:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8NKOer15265 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:24:40 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8NKOe915262 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:24:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ppp-225-14-195.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.14.195]:1034 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAa73-000Et4-Vq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:22:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:25:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Saving macros - OP for Windows Message-ID: <4cf31899a2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >There seems to be a problem when saving a new configuration for the > >button bar. Saving the new configuration from the macros list window > >appears to have no effect and the original configuration is restored > >the next time OP is loaded. > Hmm. There's a long running catch, basically someone installs a file in > the Autorun folder which sets up macros (button bar height) and which is > always run after the !Macros file that OP saves there. So my advice > would be to investigate the contents of Autorun. > I think at one time Beebug issued a file which caused this problem, > which wasn't very helpful. > Files are executed in alphabetic order. > >A work-round is to save the file elsewhere using 'save as' and then > >copying it into OvationPro/Autorun. > And giving it what name? I was intrigued by this one, as it has been variously noted by users of the RO version, though I've never suffered from it myself. Mr P has noted the answer. On my Windows version of OvPro, two days ago I added a couple of extra buttons to the button bar, did the usual Macro "Save" and they are still there now, two day later. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 23 22:47:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAbLn-000327-Bo-00032l."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:47:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAbLn-000327-Bo; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:42:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAbLn-000327-Bo; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:42:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAbLn-00074s-0l; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:42:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAbLY-0000Al-DN; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:41:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8NLfbZ28245 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:41:37 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8NLfaK28238 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:41:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-171-50.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.171.50]:1039 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAbLG-0004gq-Aw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:41:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:41:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Saving macros - OP for Windows Message-ID: <4cf31f9027dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cf31899a2dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> <4cf31899a2dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 23 Sep, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > >There seems to be a problem when saving a new configuration for the > > >button bar. Saving the new configuration from the macros list window > > >appears to have no effect and the original configuration is restored > > >the next time OP is loaded. > > Hmm. There's a long running catch, basically someone installs a file > > in the Autorun folder which sets up macros (button bar height) and > > which is always run after the !Macros file that OP saves there. So my > > advice would be to investigate the contents of Autorun. > > I think at one time Beebug issued a file which caused this problem, > > which wasn't very helpful. > > Files are executed in alphabetic order. > > >A work-round is to save the file elsewhere using 'save as' and then > > >copying it into OvationPro/Autorun. > > And giving it what name? > I was intrigued by this one, as it has been variously noted by users of > the RO version, though I've never suffered from it myself. > Mr P has noted the answer. > On my Windows version of OvPro, two days ago I added a couple of extra > buttons to the button bar, did the usual Macro "Save" and they are still > there now, two day later. > Cheers > Dave S However, this reminds me of a problem I'm having with Macros. Inside the "Custom" Applet I have placed a sprite file(s) with a few additional button sprites (Created for and taken from my RO version). But Win OvPro is not adding them to the Button Sprite pool. They are in Applets\Custom\AResources and the sprite files are, "Buttons.spr" and "Buttons22.spr" AIUI This is the place where such things should be placed, but as I say it doesn't work. If this is not the correct place, where should additional Sprites be placed (Rectum aside)? ;-) Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 23 23:37:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAc91-0005xT-Ff-0005y7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:37:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAc91-0005xT-Ff; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:32:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAc91-0005xT-Ff; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:32:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAc91-0000gO-IO; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:32:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAc8g-0004Nh-2B; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:32:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8NMWQ804315 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:32:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8NMWPg04309 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:32:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CAc8X-00082v-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:32:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:31:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Saving macros - OP for Windows References: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> <4cf31899a2dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf31f9027dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cf31f9027dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >They are in Applets\Custom\AResources and the sprite files are, >"Buttons.spr" and "Buttons22.spr" Is the Custom applet configured to be loaded - Applet manager? On Windows there is no point bothering with non-square pixel icon sprites (the plain Buttons file in other words). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 13:59:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAir6-00024O-IM-00024u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:59:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAir6-00024O-IM; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 05:42:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAir6-00024O-IM; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 05:42:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAir6-0006tW-C4; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 05:42:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAiqp-0000K0-99; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:42:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8O5gIM09253 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:42:18 +0100 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8O5gHm09249 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:42:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CAOiZ-0001MQ-Vs for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:12:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:11:37 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: no current file Message-ID: <4cf2d57461gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf29282dbrod@argonet.co.uk> References: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> <4cf29101f2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4cf29282dbrod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i8O5gIm09250 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SEARCH_ENGINE_PROMO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cf29282dbrod@argonet.co.uk>, rod a wrote: > > If you are using NudgePal and removing it does solve your problem let > > me know which version of NudgePal it is. > No, I don't have it. At least it is not listed in the menu > nor in my Applets directory. > So NudgePal is innocent! Sorry, I was wrong with NudgePal. I made some changes to the last version of NudgePal, relating to setting the current file state, after David Pilling has received a bug report about type 5 errors. Which was why I said NudgePal. What I should have said was the PastePos applet - this is the one I've done that responds to copy and paste events. Is this perhaps installed? (look on the Edit sub-menu - is there a 'Paste in position' entry at the foot of the menu?) The only other applet I can think that deals with copy/paste is Clipbrds. Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 13:59:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAk6a-0003FC-I9-0003Fo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:59:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAk6a-0003FC-I9; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:02:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAk6a-0003FC-I9; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:02:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAk6a-0003dd-DW; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:02:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAk6E-0001JW-KW; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:02:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8O70nT20366 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:00:49 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8O70m620357 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:00:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ppp-225-6-12.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.6.12]:1126 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAk4T-0005GX-7N for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:00:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:52:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Saving macros - OP for Windows Message-ID: <4cf3520485dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> <4cf31899a2dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf31f9027dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >They are in Applets\Custom\AResources and the sprite files are, > >"Buttons.spr" and "Buttons22.spr" > Is the Custom applet configured to be loaded - Applet manager? > On Windows there is no point bothering with non-square pixel icon > sprites (the plain Buttons file in other words). Aha! I thought it was, but it wasn't. Re-trying took three goes before it would stay "Active". That is Applet manager. Hilight "Custom" applet line. Click "Active" button then "OK" button. It wouldn't stay active after a quit and rerun of Ov Pro until I saved over the Default document. This brings up another problem (Sorry), that might tie in with the original posters problem. I have three button on the bar that just contain a couple of letters indicating their function, because until now I couldn't get the additional button Sprites to register in the Button pool... Okay the buttons are in the pool, I've been to Macros and "Edit"ed the three button entries to now show an icon. "Save"... Overwriting default Macros... "Yes". Excellent, those three now show the appropriate icons instead of the letters. Problem. When I quit OvPro then rerun it, the three buttons are back to the letter only displays. I've tried this many times, even re-saving over the default doc, but nothing I do will fix the icons for those three buttons. As a last resort, I created a new button and gave it one of the "Custom" added sprites... After Quit and re-run the sprite for the button had gone leaving the new button the couple of indicator letters. As an absolutely last gasp... I re-edited this new button and gave it a sprite from the Main sprite button pool. No change, after re-run the sprite had again gone. Over to you Mr P. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 13:59:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAlgK-0007Ra-57-0007SY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:59:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAlgK-0007Ra-57; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:43:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAlgK-0007Ra-57; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:43:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAlgK-00056Y-2U; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:43:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAlg2-00051Z-Ac; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:43:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8O8hUg08985 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:43:30 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8O8hTx08981 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:43:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.73.220]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040924084138.GVJN24841.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:41:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:43:25 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: no current file Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4cf2d57461gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> <4cf29101f2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4cf29282dbrod@argonet.co.uk> <4cf2d57461gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.45d (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="535695447--1061735419--1987640597"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --535695447--1061735419--1987640597 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Gavin Crawford wrote: > The only other applet I can think that deals with copy/paste is Clipbrd= s. I don't see how it could be Clipbrds (which I wrote), because that doesn'= t actually concern itself with the contents of the clipboards or with copyi= ng and pasting. It just changes the current clipboard. However, in the interests of finding the problem, it's probably worth disabling Clipbrds and seeing if that helps. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummi= es!=20 --535695447--1061735419--1987640597 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBU94wp6M/P/S/JWgRAn0CAJ9T9T5nlQVBzD3OkqOH23NjK3k66wCePLZB CBjmj560GH4qppOwZImoZ4c= =P/T9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --535695447--1061735419--1987640597-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 13:59:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAo1E-0001tW-CV-0001uR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:59:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAo1E-0001tW-CV; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:13:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAo1E-0001tW-CV; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:13:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAo0v-0002j3-KJ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:13:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAo0c-0007yI-3a; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:13:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OBCp918710 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:12:51 +0100 Received: from mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (mta09-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.49]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OBCpb18706 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:12:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([81.100.203.215]) by mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040924111355.DMHS1100.mta09-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:13:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:14:08 +0100 From: JayCee To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Urgent help with corrupt file Message-ID: <5e006af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi All, I produce a monthly chess magazine which I was about to start printing today for posting early next week. However when I try to load it into OPro I get an error saying 'Document contents have changed since being saved'. To reconstruct the magazine will take weeks, if indeed it is even possible; I haven't backed it up yet as I do a complete backup once a week on a weekend. The only thing I can think of that may have happened is that there is a JPEG in it which I edited and saved into the OPro document direct from !DPLNGScan but I thought pictures are saved with the document. Can anybody please suggest a way I can get this document back? I do have !DiscKnight (he says desperately!) One other thing I thought I would put it in a SparkFS zipped directory and see how big that was (the file itself is 5.8Mb) incase anyone wanted a copy to look at for me but when I try to save it into the Spark directory it just locks my machine completely, requiring a power off to get it going again, other files drag quite OK into the same Spark directory. This is strange as I can drag it to another directory on my hard disc and it copies OK - still won't open though! Iyonix RISCOS 5.07 OPro 2.73 Thanks John Charman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 13:59:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAo8H-0002PZ-NA-0002QT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:59:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAo8H-0002PZ-NA; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:20:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAo8H-0002PZ-NA; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:20:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAo8D-0004rw-SP; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:20:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAo7s-0004U0-9Y; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:20:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OBK7F21607 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:20:07 +0100 Received: from mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (mta09-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.49]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OBK7n21603 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:20:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([81.100.203.215]) by mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040924112112.EBEN1100.mta09-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:21:12 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:21:25 +0100 From: JayCee To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Urgent help with corrupt file - PS Message-ID: <12ab6af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Sorry to follow up myself but after a complete power off and on I have managed to get the file to save into a SparkFS archive. Anyway it is a 466Kb archive if anyone thinks they can help by looking at it. John Charman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 13:59:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAoHe-0005c3-Eb-0005cs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:59:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAoHe-0005c3-Eb; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:30:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAoHe-0005c3-Eb; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:30:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAoHe-00045R-BY; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:30:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAoHO-00030f-Mn; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:30:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OBUJF24931 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:30:19 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OBUJW24927 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:30:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=44958 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAoHK-0002hG-7X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:30:18 +0200 Received: from cp65220-a.venra1.lb.home.nl ([84.30.249.124]:49152 helo=sol) by smtp5.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAoHG-0002pj-Nc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:30:14 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:27:24 +0200 From: "I.F.T. Busser" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Urgent help with corrupt file - PS Message-ID: <16376bf34c.BenBfm@feniks.demon.nl> References: <12ab6af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <12ab6af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Busser & Busser facility management User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <12ab6af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > Sorry to follow up myself but after a complete power off and on I have > managed to get the file to save into a SparkFS archive. > > Anyway it is a 466Kb archive if anyone thinks they can help by looking > at it. > > John Charman I would like to give it a try, so send it by private email. Ike -- I.F.T. Busser Busser & Busser f.m. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 13:59:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAoSF-0006Lk-7F-0006NO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:59:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAoSF-0006Lk-7F; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:41:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAoSF-0006Lk-7F; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:41:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAoSF-0001kr-06; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:41:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAoRw-0006VT-RZ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:41:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OBf3d27638 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:41:03 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OBf2l27629 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:41:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=40621 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAoRi-00052t-5x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:41:02 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55085 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAoRf-0003ov-Tf for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:40:59 +0200 Message-ID: <002201c4a22b$5d807690$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> <4cf31899a2dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf31f9027dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf3520485dfs@ukgateway.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Saving macros - OP for Windows Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:29:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, September 24, 2004 8:52 AM , Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >>> They are in Applets\Custom\AResources and the sprite files are, >>> "Buttons.spr" and "Buttons22.spr" > >> Is the Custom applet configured to be loaded - Applet manager? > >> On Windows there is no point bothering with non-square pixel icon >> sprites (the plain Buttons file in other words). > > Aha! I thought it was, but it wasn't. > > Re-trying took three goes before it would stay "Active". > That is Applet manager. > Hilight "Custom" applet line. > Click "Active" button then "OK" button. > > It wouldn't stay active after a quit and rerun of Ov Pro until I saved > over the Default document. In my case it only takes one go. Applet manager Highlight Custom applet line Click 'Inactive' and OK. Rerun OPW. Custom applet shows itself as 'Inactive'. I make it Active, hit OK. Rerun OPW. Applet is Active. I did the same with Fluff. Same result. 1) I have a 3 row button bar. It survived every update till now. 2) I have several private files in Stationary. They all survive. 3) I have added some Colour charts (Draw colours). They all survive an update. 4) I have made my own default doc. Also survives the update. 5) I have added my own fontmap entries. They also survive. 6) I have reconfigured applets. This survives. 7) I entered my details in Document version Applet. This also survives. Where are these settings stored. Most of these in 'Documents and settings' of the user (XP and W2K), that is 1,4,5,6. C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro Here I have 2 Folders (AutoRun) and (Applets) and the default.dps. With every save the scripts in there (or the default.dps) should be updated. Anyway, that's what happens on my system. Maybe there is something wrong (don't ask me why,how,when) with the manifest.txt in your Applets folder ... a) Maybe you can (temporary) rename your manifest.txt in the Applets folder in Document and Settings. b) Rerun OPW, where OPW starts using the defaults which come with OPW. For instance I have fraction applet active. With the defaults in Applet manager (and my 3 button row) the fraction button becomes grey/empty. c) Configure Applet manager (active and inactive as you want it) and hit OK. A new manifest.txt is created in Documents ...... Applets. Rerun OPW: all is present as you have done in c) Anyway, that's how it goes (correctly) in my OPW. On your other problem ... I don't have an answer. ........ > This brings up another problem (Sorry), that might tie in with the > original posters problem. > > I have three button on the bar that just contain a couple of letters > indicating their function, because until now I couldn't get the > additional button Sprites to register in the Button pool... > > Okay the buttons are in the pool, I've been to Macros and "Edit"ed the > three button entries to now show an icon. > > "Save"... Overwriting default Macros... "Yes". > > Excellent, those three now show the appropriate icons instead of the > letters. > > Problem. When I quit OvPro then rerun it, the three buttons are back > to the letter only displays. However, I can imagine that it also has something to do with the 'Macros.csc' in Documents and Settings .... AutoRun folder. ............ Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 13:59:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAovF-0000Jd-4Z-0000LH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:59:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAovF-0000Jd-4Z; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:11:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAovF-0000Jd-4Z; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:11:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAovF-00041h-6K; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:11:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAoux-0004MP-2Y; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:11:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OCB9703177 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:11:09 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OCB9M03170 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:11:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CAouq-00008N-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:11:08 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.111] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CAoup-0003z3-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:11:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:10:50 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Urgent help with corrupt file Message-ID: <39316ff34c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <5e006af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5e006af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <5e006af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> JayCee wrote: > I produce a monthly chess magazine which I was about to start printing > today for posting early next week. > > However when I try to load it into OPro I get an error saying 'Document > contents have changed since being saved'. Have you seen the thread "Unable to load document"? That shows how you can get OP to load the document. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 13:59:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAp0e-0004hF-Ho-0004j2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:59:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAp0e-0004hF-Ho; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:17:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAp0e-0004hF-Ho; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:17:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAp0d-0002Xy-IT; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:17:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAp0N-0000bY-7u; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:16:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OCGh404564 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:16:43 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OCGfn04553 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:16:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([81.100.203.215]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040924121450.WAIC24841.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:14:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:17:37 +0100 From: JayCee To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Urgent help with corrupt file Message-ID: <2cd06ff34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5e006af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <39316ff34c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <39316ff34c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <39316ff34c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> you wrote: > In message <5e006af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> > JayCee wrote: > > > I produce a monthly chess magazine which I was about to start printing > > today for posting early next week. > > > > However when I try to load it into OPro I get an error saying 'Document > > contents have changed since being saved'. > > Have you seen the thread "Unable to load document"? That shows how you can > get OP to load the document. > > Martin I have to admit I hadn't read that thread as it wasn't applicable to me (famous last words!) but having now used the technique I can get the document to load and can see which page the problem is onm, hhowever moving on to that page to attempt to correct the text or delete it just locks my machine up again. Ike Busser is very kindly looking at my document for me however I will continue to try different approaches. I did resave it, with another name, after managing to load it but reloading hat file still stiffs the machine when I move onto the corrupted page. Thanks to all for the help and suggestions. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 13:59:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAp4g-00028z-PX-0002At."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:59:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAp4g-00028z-PX; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:21:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAp4g-00028z-PX; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:21:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAp4g-00028l-LW; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:21:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAp4R-0003z3-5O; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:21:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OCL3c05668 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:21:03 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OCL2S05663 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:21:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=44160 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAp4P-00054q-Tc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:21:01 +0200 Received: from cp65220-a.venra1.lb.home.nl ([84.30.249.124]:49172 helo=sol) by smtp4.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAp4P-00057w-1j for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:21:01 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:21:23 +0200 From: "I.F.T. Busser" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Urgent help with corrupt file Message-ID: <3a2870f34c.BenBfm@feniks.demon.nl> References: <5e006af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <39316ff34c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <2cd06ff34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2cd06ff34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Busser & Busser facility management User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <2cd06ff34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <39316ff34c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> you wrote: > > > In message <5e006af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> > > JayCee wrote: > > > > > I produce a monthly chess magazine which I was about to start printing > > > today for posting early next week. > > > > > > However when I try to load it into OPro I get an error saying 'Document > > > contents have changed since being saved'. > > > > Have you seen the thread "Unable to load document"? That shows how you can > > get OP to load the document. > > > > Martin > > I have to admit I hadn't read that thread as it wasn't applicable to > me (famous last words!) but having now used the technique I can get the > document to load and can see which page the problem is onm, hhowever > moving on to that page to attempt to correct the text or delete it just > locks my machine up again. > > Ike Busser is very kindly looking at my document for me however I will > continue to try different approaches. > > I did resave it, with another name, after managing to load it but > reloading hat file still stiffs the machine when I move onto the > corrupted page. > That is as far as I got. Still looking into it. Ike -- I.F.T. Busser Busser & Busser f.m. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 14:19:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CApt6-0005FF-Ai-0005G4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:19:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CApt6-0005FF-Ai; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:13:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CApt6-0005FF-Ai; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:13:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CApt6-0003vo-1k; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:13:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CApsn-0008Bp-3H; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:13:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8ODCwI20836 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:12:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8ODCv920830 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:12:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CApsd-000L7q-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:12:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:11:25 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Urgent help with corrupt file References: <5e006af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <39316ff34c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <2cd06ff34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2cd06ff34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I did resave it, with another name, after managing to load it but >reloading hat file still stiffs the machine when I move onto the >corrupted page. The other standard advice is to try saving the file as DDL and reloading that, or perhaps fixing the DDL by hand. If you were lucky and the corruption was in the middle of an image that could be quite effective. Of course the worry for you (as highlighted in the thread earlier this week) is that this sort of corruption is occurring outside Ovation Pro. SCSITest (free utils on my web site) is one way of testing the veracity of your filing system (doesn't have to be SCSI). I'd be happy to look at the document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 14:39:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAqAv-0003Yb-M1-0003ZN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:39:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAqAv-0003Yb-M1; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:31:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAqAv-0003Yb-M1; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:31:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAqAv-0006iV-I5; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:31:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAqAY-0000bQ-5S; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:31:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8ODVB326399 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:31:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8ODVBn26392 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:31:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CAqAH-0002aV-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:31:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:29:31 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Saving macros - OP for Windows References: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> <4cf31899a2dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf31f9027dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf3520485dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cf3520485dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It wouldn't stay active after a quit and rerun of Ov Pro until I saved >over the Default document. Thanks, I suspect that will be very useful, in resolving some bugs. On RISC OS, all the files for Ovation Pro live inside !OvnPro. So there's an AutoRun folder in there etc. On Windows this is not the case, there is an AutoRun folder etc. in the folder where you installed Ovation Pro. But for each user there are personal copies of folders and files, typically located in C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro That is on XP and the first "David Pilling" is the current user name. The location is slightly different on different versions of Windows. Anyway there are rules for which version of a file is loaded i.e. the main one or the personalised one for the current user. This means that each user can set up OPW differently. It also means that there's even more confusion about where macro settings are coming from. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 15:09:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAqhb-0006Gc-SW-0006Hl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:09:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAqhb-0006Gc-SW; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:05:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAqhb-0006Gc-SW; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:05:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAqhb-0007cO-Kf; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:05:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAqhJ-0005uP-OJ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:05:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OE58O03147 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:05:08 +0100 Received: from smtp14.wxs.nl (smtp14.wxs.nl [195.121.6.28]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OE57N03142 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:05:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp14.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I4J0066CTSIRL@smtp14.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:05:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:06:03 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Urgent help with corrupt file - PS In-reply-to: <12ab6af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4cf379bd61paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <12ab6af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) JayCee wrote: > Anyway it is a 466Kb archive if anyone thinks they can help by looking > at it. If I can help, I would like to give it a try too. (Not the least because I'm interested in the chess magazine) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 15:19:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAqqF-0005V4-Ka-0005Vb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:19:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAqqF-0005V4-Ka; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:14:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAqqF-0005V4-Ka; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:14:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAqqE-0003cK-SI; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:14:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAqps-0005Cr-0e; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:14:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OEE5505633 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:14:05 +0100 Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OEE5W05630 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:14:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([81.100.203.215]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040924141357.GBFP26479.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:13:57 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:14:09 +0100 From: JayCee To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Urgent help with corrupt file Message-ID: <5c7b7af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5e006af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <39316ff34c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <2cd06ff34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i8OEE5W05631 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >I did resave it, with another name, after managing to load it but > >reloading hat file still stiffs the machine when I move onto the > >corrupted page. > > The other standard advice is to try saving the file as DDL and reloading > that, or perhaps fixing the DDL by hand. > > If you were lucky and the corruption was in the middle of an image that > could be quite effective. > > Of course the worry for you (as highlighted in the thread earlier this > week) is that this sort of corruption is occurring outside Ovation Pro. > > SCSITest (free utils on my web site) is one way of testing the veracity > of your filing system (doesn't have to be SCSI). > > I'd be happy to look at the document. > > Thanks Dave but Ike Busser has now sorted it for me. The problem appears to be in a draw file of a chessboard, a standard drawing I use a lot in the magazine, but tnhis one must have somehow corrupted and yet it had been loading and saving many times previously; as you say this is worrying. Thanks to all that offered advice; and especially to Ike for fixing the file for me. John Charman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 17:59:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAtPz-00050S-SO-00051G."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:59:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAtPz-00050S-SO; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:59:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAtPz-00050S-SO; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:59:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAtPz-0002l5-JU; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:59:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAtPi-0003dV-TR; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:59:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OGx4K15807 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:59:04 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OGx4v15799 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:59:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from blueyonder ([62.31.108.148]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:59:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William McNee To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:04:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Urgent help with corrupt file - PS Message-ID: <4cf38a1813wulliemc@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf379bd61paul@delink.nl> References: <12ab6af34c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <4cf379bd61paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2004 16:59:28.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA763190:01C4A257] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cf379bd61paul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > JayCee wrote: > > Anyway it is a 466Kb archive if anyone thinks they can help by looking > > at it. > If I can help, I would like to give it a try too. (Not the least because > I'm interested in the chess magazine) Seems like JC has a few potential subscribers on here, including me. Perhaps it was a blessing in disguise he had to ask for help on here...;-) > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers William -- Reply to wulliemc (at) blueyonder (dot) co (dot) uk West Lothian, Scotland 162MB StrongArm RISC PC 20GB Harddisc RISC OS 4.37 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 18:19:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAtfo-0002Kk-8h-0002LU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:19:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAtfo-0002Kk-8h; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:15:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAtfo-0002Kk-8h; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:15:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAtfo-0006YL-G0; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:15:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAtfX-0005o1-Hx; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:15:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OHFYX19285 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:15:34 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OHFYi19281 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:15:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-7339.l3.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.76.92.171] helo=Phoebe) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CAtfQ-0002Ie-RS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:15:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:15:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 Message-ID: <4cf38b1638mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've got NetWatch watching the David Pilling News page for updates and today it notified me of a change to the site. Scrolling down the page, I find that there's a new version of Ovation Pro. Now maybe I've been asleep (sleepless nights due to a 13 week old baby), but I don't recall any announcements on this upgrade. Is it worth upgrading to? While on the subject of the news page, David is it possible that when you update something on the page that it's highlighted in some fashion - colour change, an updated icon or something similar? -- What's going on, Mr. Peterson? The question is what's going in Mr. Peterson. A beer please, Woody. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 19:19:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAudf-0001l6-M9-0001lq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:19:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAudf-0001l6-M9; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:17:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAudf-0001l6-M9; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:17:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAudf-0000Sa-Ho; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:17:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAudK-0007HH-3L; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:17:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OIHBq28966 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:17:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OIHBx28963 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:17:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CAud3-000HqZ-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:17:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:16:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 Message-ID: <4cf390abf4lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cf38b1638mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4cf38b1638mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cf38b1638mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk>, Mark Fraser wrote: > Scrolling down the page, I find that there's a new version of Ovation > Pro. Now maybe I've been asleep (sleepless nights due to a 13 week old > baby), but I don't recall any announcements on this upgrade. Is it worth > upgrading to? If you download it and open the archive, there are a selection of files called ChangesXXX which detail the differences between all the different versions. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Age is a very high price to pay for maturity. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 20:09:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAvO7-0007ZE-QS-0007Zt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:09:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAvO7-0007ZE-QS; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:05:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAvO7-0007ZE-QS; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:05:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAvO7-0002Ym-0d; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:05:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAvNn-00026J-E6; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:05:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OJ5K403635 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:05:20 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OJ5Jb03632 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:05:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CAvNd-00018z-IZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:05:18 +0000 Message-ID: <9LjN+oJl+GVBFwwL@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:04:05 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 References: <4cf38b1638mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf38b1638mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've got NetWatch watching the David Pilling News page for updates and >today it notified me of a change to the site. triffic. Yes there are various changes (made last night), and I was about to tell the world about them. But, someone has pointed out to me that the 2.75 on the web site does not have a fix for a particular bug (which has been fixed in the Windows version for some time). Later tonight I intend replacing that 2.75 with a different one. So on this occasion, better to wait for the announcement ;-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 21:29:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAwbE-0003Pa-7s-0003QU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:29:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAwbE-0003Pa-7s; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:23:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAwbE-0003Pa-7s; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:23:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAwbE-0006BP-6s; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:23:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAwav-00035s-Th; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:23:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OKMwb14932 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:22:58 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OKMv214929 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:22:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-160-139.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.160.139]:1143 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAwaj-000AUe-HG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:22:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:23:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Saving macros - OP for Windows Message-ID: <4cf39c45b3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <002201c4a22b$5d807690$6502a8c0@padua> References: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> <4cf31899a2dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf31f9027dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf3520485dfs@ukgateway.net> <002201c4a22b$5d807690$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <002201c4a22b$5d807690$6502a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > However, I can imagine that it also has something to do with the > 'Macros.csc' in Documents and Settings .... AutoRun folder. > Tonnie Thanks for your note, appreciated. The problem does seem to be where you suggest. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 21:29:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAwbF-00022D-5Z-00024K."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:29:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAwbF-00022D-5Z; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:23:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAwbF-00022D-5Z; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:23:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAwbF-0005Ru-Du; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:23:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAwar-0001Al-LN; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:23:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OKMso14916 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:22:54 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OKMsB14910 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:22:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-160-139.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.160.139]:1143 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAwag-000AUe-Gx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:22:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:21:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Saving macros - OP for Windows Message-ID: <4cf39c2113dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> <4cf31899a2dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf31f9027dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf3520485dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >It wouldn't stay active after a quit and rerun of Ov Pro until I saved > >over the Default document. > Thanks, I suspect that will be very useful, in resolving some bugs. > On RISC OS, all the files for Ovation Pro live inside !OvnPro. So > there's an AutoRun folder in there etc. > On Windows this is not the case, there is an AutoRun folder etc. in the > folder where you installed Ovation Pro. But for each user there are > personal copies of folders and files, typically located in > C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application > Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro > That is on XP and the first "David Pilling" is the current user name. > The location is slightly different on different versions of Windows. > Anyway there are rules for which version of a file is loaded i.e. the > main one or the personalised one for the current user. > This means that each user can set up OPW differently. > It also means that there's even more confusion about where macro > settings are coming from. !*\#~!!.... David thanks for your note. I took the Macros file from Docs and Settings... loaded it into a Text editor and had a butchers... I took the Macros file from within OvPro AutoRun (Created in March 2003) and put that in the Text editor and had a looksee at that. The one in OvPro AutoRun was complete with the additional buttons and the Sprite references. Whereas the Macros file in Docs and settings... (Created 24 September 2004) had the buttons but no Sprite references. I copied the OvPro AutoRun Macros file over the Docs and setting one. Re-ran Ovation Pro and my buttons now have the appropriate icons. But... I created a new button and did a Macro Save, that obviously overwrote... to the Macro file in Docs and Settings... The new button is there, but its assigned button icon is not, and the three other buttons are again iconless. I'm 'afeard' here be bugs of some sort that seem to have happened in some more recent version. Yes a macro Save is being done to Docs and Settings... because the blank buttons show, but the Sprite name is not being saved with it. >From within OvPro AutoRun (Created March 2003) defmacro2(4,"Hilite","{string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s==\"Hilight\") addstyle(i-1)}","hilite",""); >From Documents and Settings...(Created Sept 24 2004) defmacro(4,"Hilite","{string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s==\"Hilight\") addstyle(i-1)}",""); Over to you Mr P. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 21:29:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAwfE-0006Hz-Pf-0006IL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:29:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAwfE-0006Hz-Pf; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAwfE-0006Hz-Pf; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAwfE-0007M1-OC; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAweu-0002gb-R7; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:27:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OKRHQ15569 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:27:17 +0100 Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OKRH215566 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:27:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040924202709.FJYY26479.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@JeffWallis> for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:27:09 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c4a274$dc98e450$bf070552@JeffWallis> From: "Jeff Wallis" To: References: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> <4cf31899a2dfs@ukgateway.net><4cf31f9027dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf3520485dfs@ukgateway.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Saving macros - OP for Windows Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:27:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Saving macros - OP for Windows > >It wouldn't stay active after a quit and rerun of Ov Pro until I saved >>over the Default document. > > Thanks, I suspect that will be very useful, in resolving some bugs. > > On RISC OS, all the files for Ovation Pro live inside !OvnPro. So there's > an > AutoRun folder in there etc. > > On Windows this is not the case, there is an AutoRun folder etc. in the > folder > where you installed Ovation Pro. But for each user there are personal > copies of > folders and files, typically located in > > C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application > Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro > > That is on XP and the first "David Pilling" is the current user name. > > The location is slightly different on different versions of Windows. > > Anyway there are rules for which version of a file is loaded i.e. the main > one > or the personalised one for the current user. > > This means that each user can set up OPW differently. > > It also means that there's even more confusion about where macro settings > are > coming from. Investigating this it appears that the macros file is saved into the 'Documents and Settings' version of Autorun but is loaded from the Program Files/DP/OP location of Autorun. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 21:39:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAwiJ-00052G-Jl-00052k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:39:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAwiJ-00052G-Jl; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:30:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAwiJ-00052G-Jl; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:30:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAwiI-0001kA-TW; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:30:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAwi2-0004um-96; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:30:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OKUQM15999 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:30:26 +0100 Message-Id: <200409242030.i8OKUQM15999@svr1.spellings.net> Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OKUQp15995 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:30:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CAwi0-000BIa-Hl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:30:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:30:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Message-ID: <4cf39cea8cjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Ovation Pro: If you click Menu over the list of Styles in the Edit style window you can save a text file of the descriptions of all the styles. Can you edit that text file and drop it back somehow? -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 21:59:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAx2J-0000nT-Qq-0000oD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:59:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAx2J-0000nT-Qq; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:51:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAx2J-0000nT-Qq; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:51:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAx2J-0001bZ-2o; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:51:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAx21-0006a6-LW; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:51:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OKov518530 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:50:57 +0100 Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OKotO18522 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:50:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from p67.hn2.wave.co.nz (albion) [203.96.192.195] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CAx1l-0001Lt-00; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:50:49 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:02:04 +1200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro leader problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="4cf32bf550522y0Mse58cVNCDyruwlbW" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a MIME encapsulated message. --4cf32bf550522y0Mse58cVNCDyruwlbW Content-Type: text/plain In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 15 Sep, Keith Hopper wrote: > > Hi, > > I have over the last couple of days been trying to solve a problem > > relating to leaders. I have a style defined (ToC) to produce nicely set out > > tables of contents for a book (there are some hundreds of these - it is a > > large three volume book). Where I am looking at, for example a book section > > there is a separate document (chapter) giving the table of contents. In > > this document the page numbers appear properly with leaders (. ) right up > > to the page number at the right tab. > > > > In some of the chapters there are ancillary tables of contents for > > various definitions. These appear after a few pages of text; the ToC style > > is used but no leaders appear unless the 'title' is very short (just a few > > letters) - and even then they only appear up to the next left tab - not > > right to the right tab at the end. > > > > I have tried cutting down the second kind of chapter by removing all > > ancillary text - but the problem remains. If anyone has seen and cured this > > kind of problem I would be very grateful for help. I attach a small style > > sheet which contains only the styles in use in the ToCs (the 'indent' style > > -may- interfere, but the tabbing appears always to conform to the ToC tab > > ruler - so I am not sure! > For the ToC style do you need the early left tabs? I'd be inclined to delete > them just keeping the leader on the right aligned tab position and use > different styles for differently indented sub-sections instead of putting > everything into one style (if that is how you are working), eg I'd have 3 > styles for this: > Styles . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 > Applying . . . . . . . . . . 13 > from menu . . . . . . . 13 > by keyboard . . . . . . 13 > Defining . . . . . . . . . . 10 Well! I think I understand what you are suggesting, but my entry lines tend to look like - 2.1.3Some title99 I want the first 'ltab' to have no leader but -all- subsequent tabs to have a leader. Thus the desired look will be something like - 2. Principal head . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 99 2.1 . . First side head . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100 2.1.1 . . . . Sub-head . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100 > Is the Line scope for the ToC style important to the way you work? I'd prefer > making it Paragraph with a return at the end of each line. I have obviously completely misunderstood the difference between a line-based and a paragraph-based style all my OvPro years! I thought that a line-style meant something that was rendered on one line - irrespective of whether there was a return at the end or not! A paragraph-based style I assumed to apply to anything of an arbitrary length which extends to the next return. > I'd also make the ruler explicit for the indent style - whether the same as > the ToC ruler or different. As it is at present the indent style will inherit > the tab ruler from whatever styles are applied before the indent style - > therefore possibly inconsistent within the document. I don't think I understand this. The indent style is just a left-margin of 8mm - having nothing to do wih tabs. The base style tabs are all at 8mm intervals - in fact all of my 'standard house' style is based on an 8mm horizontal grid for margins, first lines, etc. I therefore don't understand exactly what tabs are involved in the indent style - as it has no ruler. My understanding is that tabbing is inherited unless a later style applied uses a ruler of its own. That is the reason that I could see no conflict (which you indiacter there is) between indent and ToC - one without ruler, the other with. I have produced the attached test example which indicates (apart from something I will comment on later) the effect I am after. Of course the long leader on the right is present - I have not been able to produce a test document with it missing - but I will try to produce a cut-down real chapter with the problem when I get to work on Monday. The minor problem revealed by the test documnt attached is that the leaders before the text are not lined up correctly - I don't see why this occrs either. More on Monday! Thanks for your thoughts which have revealed several misconceptions of mine. I hang my head in shame! 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Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:49:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAxng-00038D-92; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:40:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAxng-00038D-92; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:40:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAxng-00021C-DJ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:40:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAxnJ-0006um-9C; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:39:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OLdsT25048 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:39:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OLdrJ25045 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:39:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CAxnD-00052M-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:39:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4Ew8N4KpPJVBFwgy@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:38:49 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Message-ID: <4cf39cea8cjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <200409242030.i8OKUQM15999@svr1.spellings.net> In-Reply-To: <200409242030.i8OKUQM15999@svr1.spellings.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >If you click Menu over the list of Styles in the Edit style window you can >save a text file of the descriptions of all the styles. Can you edit that >text file and drop it back somehow? No, but you have various options. You can of course edit the styles using OP. Then save a stylesheet. That stylesheet file can be dropped into the Edit style window (e.g. of another document), and the styles will be loaded into the document (same thing works for colours). You can save your document as a DDL file, and edit the style definitions in that (if for some reason editing a text form of the styles is easier). You can combine these techniques - save stylesheet, load, save (resulting minimal) doc as DDL, edit, load, save as style sheet, drop into edit style window. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 22:49:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAxpP-0001T9-FI-0001Tr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:49:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAxpP-0001T9-FI; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:42:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAxpP-0001T9-FI; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:42:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAxpP-00009j-IH; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:42:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAxpA-0005Er-G4; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:41:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OLfuD25314 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:41:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OLftZ25309 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:41:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CAxpB-0009Sz-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:41:53 +0000 Message-ID: <90p9RWLORJVBFwjw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:40:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Saving macros - OP for Windows References: <000301c4a145$ffaade60$57070552@JeffWallis> <4cf31899a2dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf31f9027dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf3520485dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cf39c2113dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cf39c2113dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Over to you Mr P. OK, I'll not have this resolved 'till next week. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 24 22:59:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CAy2j-0007eu-Eb-0007fQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:59:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CAy2j-0007eu-Eb; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:55:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAy2j-0007eu-Eb; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:55:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CAy2j-0006Y1-AB; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:55:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAy2N-0001xw-TK; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:55:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8OLtPB26887 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:55:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8OLtPa26882 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:55:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CAy2F-000Hsx-K1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:55:23 +0000 Message-ID: <$kP91zLXaJVBFwDY@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:50:15 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro leader problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I have obviously completely misunderstood the difference between a >line-based and a paragraph-based style all my OvPro years! I thought that a >line-style meant something that was rendered on one line - irrespective of >whether there was a return at the end or not! A paragraph-based style I >assumed to apply to anything of an arbitrary length which extends to the >next return. In Ovation (the old program), if you set a paragraph style it applied throughout the paragraph. So say you had two paragraphs in different styles and deleted the end of paragraph marker between them, Ovation would force the resulting single paragraph to have the same style throughout. In OP styles only apply to the text they are applied to initially. A single paragraph might have more than one value for a paragraph style attribute like leading throughout it. The leading for individual lines will be the value for the style at the start of each line. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 25 02:50:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CB1ar-0003pq-PM-0003qi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:50:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CB1ar-0003pq-PM; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:43:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CB1ar-0003pq-PM; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:43:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CB1ar-0000Mn-Lo; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:43:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CB1aX-0003p5-4m; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:43:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8P1gt306858 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:42:55 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8P1gsB06855 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:42:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CB1aO-000EvN-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 01:42:52 +0000 Message-ID: <1gl$U5N$yMVBFwTp@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:41:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Ovation Pro for RISC OS 2.75 is available from; http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op275.zip This consists of about half a dozen changes, split between bug fixes and small improvements, and new RISC OS 5 sprites. As discussed, this version is dated 24th September, and has one more bug fix over the 22nd September version which some people may have got hold of yesterday. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 25 03:10:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CB1xR-0006D2-Qq-0006DP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:10:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CB1xR-0006D2-Qq; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:06:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CB1xR-0006D2-Qq; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:06:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CB1xQ-0001jf-VX; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:06:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CB1wn-0004YI-Ii; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:06:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8P262G10585 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:06:02 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8P262U10576 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:06:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CB1we-000DJ9-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:05:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:04:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, A major upgrade of some of the fonts supplied with Ovation Pro is available. Visit the web page; http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/fontup.html to read about them and download. The fonts are; SwissB Curator Paladin Vogue Bookmark Chaucer SymbolB DPDings You may recognise them as being the same as the fonts recently released for the Windows version of Ovation Pro (see http://www.davidpilling.net/fonts.html). Users of Ovation Pro now have a set of fonts they can use on both RISC OS and Windows. The fonts actually go back to 1989, Beebug and Ovation. The new versions contain more characters - for example the euro symbol and have been thoroughly modernised for newer versions of RISC OS. PostScript type 1 files are supplied, meaning you won't get the irritating filled characters with some forms of PostScript output. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 25 03:20:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CB27I-0000l9-La-0000ll."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:20:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CB27I-0000l9-La; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:16:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CB27I-0000l9-La; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:16:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CB27I-0003C0-Gz; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:16:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CB26v-00059o-B1; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:16:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8P2GXO11832 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:16:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8P2GXD11828 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:16:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([193.237.242.97] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CB26w-0002KS-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:16:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:17:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.75 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4cf3bca977mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1gl$U5N$yMVBFwTp@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <1gl$U5N$yMVBFwTp@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <1gl$U5N$yMVBFwTp@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Ovation Pro for RISC OS 2.75 is available . . . > This consists of about half a dozen changes, split between bug > fixes and small improvements, and new RISC OS 5 sprites. These two changes (from "Changes275") are particularly welcome -- thank you: > DP 400 > Any function that scans all stories in a document (e.g. > search/replace, document info) does not see stories in text frames > embedded in other stories. > Fixed. > DP397 > Allow sheets dialogue box to work on Printers Pairs. Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 25 15:15:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBDJr-0003JC-Ia-0003Jw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:15:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBDJr-0003JC-Ia; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:14:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBDJr-0003JC-Ia; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:14:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBDJr-0004OM-HQ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:14:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBDJJ-0005lq-11; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:14:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8PEDrl23694 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:13:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8PEDrR23690 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:13:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CBDJ7-0003VA-Hd for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:13:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:50:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Message-ID: <4cf39cea8cjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <4cf3a44c70john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4Ew8N4KpPJVBFwgy@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <200409242030.i8OKUQM15999@svr1.spellings.net> <4Ew8N4KpPJVBFwgy@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 24 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >If you click Menu over the list of Styles in the Edit style window you > >can save a text file of the descriptions of all the styles. Can you > >edit that text file and drop it back somehow? > No, but you have various options. Shucks. I discovered the save text file by accident and thought I had an easy option to tidy up all the styles - rename, re-order &c. Oh well, back to the traditional ways: > You can of course edit the styles using OP. Then save a stylesheet. That > stylesheet file can be dropped into the Edit style window (e.g. of > another document), and the styles will be loaded into the document (same > thing works for colours). > You can save your document as a DDL file, and edit the style definitions > in that (if for some reason editing a text form of the styles is > easier). > You can combine these techniques - save stylesheet, load, save > (resulting minimal) doc as DDL, edit, load, save as style sheet, drop > into edit style window. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:23:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBHAh-0006Uu-QQ-0006Vj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBHAh-0006Uu-QQ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:21:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBHAh-0006Uu-QQ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:21:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBHAg-0003hI-Vb; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:21:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBH9o-0007Zp-Fk; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:20:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8PIKO629216 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:20:24 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8PIKNM29213 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:20:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040925181842.IPWT20874.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:18:42 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:20:11 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro leader problem To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Fri 24 Sep, Keith Hopper wrote: > In article , > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Wed 15 Sep, Keith Hopper wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I have over the last couple of days been trying to solve a problem > > > relating to leaders. I have a style defined (ToC) to produce nicely set > > > out tables of contents for a book (there are some hundreds of these - > > > it is a large three volume book). Where I am looking at, for example a > > > book section there is a separate document (chapter) giving the table of > > > contents. In this document the page numbers appear properly with > > > leaders (. ) right up to the page number at the right tab. > > > [snip] > > > For the ToC style do you need the early left tabs? I'd be inclined to > > delete them just keeping the leader on the right aligned tab position and > > use different styles for differently indented sub-sections instead of > > putting everything into one style (if that is how you are working), eg > > I'd have 3 styles for this: > > Styles . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 > > Applying . . . . . . . . . . 13 > > from menu . . . . . . . 13 > > by keyboard . . . . . . 13 > > Defining . . . . . . . . . . 10 > > Well! I think I understand what you are suggesting, but my entry lines > tend to look like - > > 2.1.3Some title99 > > I want the first 'ltab' to have no leader but -all- subsequent tabs to > have a leader. Thus the desired look will be something like - > > 2. Principal head . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 99 > 2.1 . . First side head . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100 > 2.1.1 . . . . Sub-head . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100 > > > Is the Line scope for the ToC style important to the way you work? I'd > > prefer making it Paragraph with a return at the end of each line. > > I have obviously completely misunderstood the difference between a > line-based and a paragraph-based style all my OvPro years! I thought that a > line-style meant something that was rendered on one line - irrespective of > whether there was a return at the end or not! A paragraph-based style I > assumed to apply to anything of an arbitrary length which extends to the > next return. My comment was based on my ignorance of line-style and the fact that I'd always have a return at the end of each line in a ToC, so paragraph styles which I'm familiar with would work just as well. Your example document does have returns at the end of each ToC line. > > I'd also make the ruler explicit for the indent style - whether the same > > as the ToC ruler or different. As it is at present the indent style will > > inherit the tab ruler from whatever styles are applied before the indent > > style - therefore possibly inconsistent within the document. > > I don't think I understand this. The indent style is just a > left-margin of 8mm - having nothing to do wih tabs. The base style tabs are > all at 8mm intervals - in fact all of my 'standard house' style is based on > an 8mm horizontal grid for margins, first lines, etc. I therefore don't > understand exactly what tabs are involved in the indent style - as it has > no ruler. My understanding is that tabbing is inherited unless a later > style applied uses a ruler of its own. That is the reason that I could see > no conflict (which you indiacter there is) between indent and ToC - one > without ruler, the other with. This is me not understanding how you are working, so it is not surprising my comments don't make sense to you. From your description here and the example file I see that you use the indent style simply to modify the margins of whatever other style(s) are applied. I had wrongly assumed you you were using it to achieve the hierarchy in the ToC. > I have produced the attached test example which indicates (apart from > something I will comment on later) the effect I am after. Of course the > long leader on the right is present - I have not been able to produce a > test document with it missing - but I will try to produce a cut-down real > chapter with the problem when I get to work on Monday. I think I've had problems with right-align tabs if the position is too close to or to the right of the right margin - probably set for a frame with Inset 0mm but used in a frame which gives a slightly shorter line because of the inset. Have you set the tabs and then applied the Right indent in the Formatting dialogue box for the style? Are there circumstances where the right indent necessary in the ToC or does the right-align tab in practice always define the end of the line? Do you want the third example (Indent style followed by ToC) to produce the same result as the second (ToC style followed by Indent)? To do so I think you'd have to take the indents out of ToC, make indents in ToC inherit, and define a separate style (perhaps ToCmargins) which you'd apply if not using Indent. This may not be much (any) advantage to you. > The minor problem revealed by the test documnt attached is that the > leaders before the text are not lined up correctly - I don't see why this > occrs either. A possibility is that the positioning of the leader starts at the tab position and works back to the left, the leader you have defined (dot-space-space) doesn't fit exactly into the 8mm grid. It fits 2+ times into 8mm, 5+ times into 16mm, 8 (maybe+) into 24mm and 10+ into 32mm (by adding a fourth level of sub heading. If this is correct you'd have to be able to define the leaders to a known width which is in exact proportion to the vertical grid to get start and end aligned. > More on Monday! > > Thanks for your thoughts which have revealed several > misconceptions of mine. I hang my head in shame! Or maybe my misconceptions have served to confuse you about what you do understand - my apologies if that is so. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:23:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBHgl-0004Ok-NS-0004PX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBHgl-0004Ok-NS; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:54:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBHgl-0004Ok-NS; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:54:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBHgl-0001Jy-1z; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:54:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBHgH-0006nm-7a; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:54:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8PIs7t00575 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:54:07 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i8PIs6L00567 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:54:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.132.192]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.5.2) with SMTP id DEMO for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:54:03 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:54:59 +0100 From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 Message-ID: <430718f44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <4cf38b1638mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <9LjN+oJl+GVBFwwL@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9LjN+oJl+GVBFwwL@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) The new !ovnpro sprite is beautiful, but whether I'll ever get used to the new file_b27, or any of the others that have that duck-egg blue colour, I am inclined to doubt. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:23:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBfUq-0005g1-8Y-0005ga."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBfUq-0005g1-8Y; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:19:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBfUq-0005g1-8Y; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:19:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBfUq-0000N3-FZ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:19:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBfUP-0004eP-Oc; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:19:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8QKIrv20978 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:18:53 +0100 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8QKIqv20972 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:18:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-85.hafnium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.55.213] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CBfTp-0008NX-HR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:18:46 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:23:14 +0100 From: John To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Yet Another Global Clipboard Problem Message-ID: <09036df44c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> References: <380e8dd74c.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <380e8dd74c.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i8QKIrv20975 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <380e8dd74c.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> you wrote: > On 31 Jul, David Pilling wrote in message > : > > > > of the frame. A document template I use a lot has a single master > > > frame with 0mm insets, and I usually have to move the caret off the > > > edge with spaces before paste will work (no matter how far down the > > > page I am). > > > > I think I can understand this, global paste works by sending a file to > > the destination - as if you dragged a save box from Edit direct to where > > you want the text to go. Anyway OP generates a position for this file to > > be dropped at, I'd guess that if the caret is too close to the frame > > edge the position is outside the frame. > > Makes sense -- thanks. At least now I know what the cause is, I can work > around it in the only documents where it's ever been a problem. The > templates in question came from Impression originally, hence the 0mm > inset. > > It would also explain the way in which the frame borders sometimes get > messed up when moving the caret and changing selections in those > documents. > > > If you had another bigger frame behind the target, you might see the > > pasted text appear in it. > > I can't reproduce that with a rectangular frame, but with an ellipse it > does indeed end up in the frame behind. > I get the text in the back frame with rectangular frames. sometimes entering a space before pasting fixes it. Sometimes, deleting replacing the frame works (no change to the insert). Sometimes increasing the insert works! It seem to occur slightly more often after am OvP upgrade, where the frame was produced in the earlier version -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, "phone" 01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercyNOSPAM@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, (remove NOSPAM) Riscstation Lite+. Risc OS 4.03 boot 1.03. Messenger Pro. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:23:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBgDE-0006S8-IS-0006Si."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBgDE-0006S8-IS; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:05:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBgDE-0006S8-IS; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:05:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBgDE-00043S-GN; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:05:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBgCZ-0007Xd-GK; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:04:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8QL5JE26434 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:05:19 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8QL5IK26431 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:05:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.143.159] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CBfBr-0005xT-R3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:00:12 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:00:46 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 for RISC OS Message-ID: <5861a7f44c.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> References: <1gl$U5N$yMVBFwTp@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1gl$U5N$yMVBFwTp@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.63 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1gl$U5N$yMVBFwTp@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Ovation Pro for RISC OS 2.75 is available from; > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op275.zip > > This consists of about half a dozen changes, split between bug fixes and > small improvements, and new RISC OS 5 sprites. > > As discussed, this version is dated 24th September, and has one more bug > fix over the 22nd September version which some people may have got hold > of yesterday. I installed the above but it still seems to be dated 22nd September although !RunImage is now stamped as 23:15:20 23 Sep 2004. I this correct? Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ Turn left where the chip shop used to be. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:23:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBhke-0002YF-Ql-0002Yv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBhke-0002YF-Ql; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:44:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBhke-0002YF-Ql; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:44:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBhkd-0000QB-Sl; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:44:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBhjz-0006Db-2e; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:43:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8QMhkN04619 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:43:46 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8QMhjt04615 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:43:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0358.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.49.102] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CBhk2-0006rD-00 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:43:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:29:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4cf4af8749mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5861a7f44c.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> References: <1gl$U5N$yMVBFwTp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5861a7f44c.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5861a7f44c.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk>, Richard Watkinson wrote: > In message <1gl$U5N$yMVBFwTp@pilling.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Ovation Pro for RISC OS 2.75 is available from; > > > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op275.zip > > > > This consists of about half a dozen changes, split between bug > > fixes and small improvements, and new RISC OS 5 sprites. > > > > As discussed, this version is dated 24th September, and has one > > more bug fix over the 22nd September version which some people may > > have got hold of yesterday. > I installed the above but it still seems to be dated 22nd September > although !RunImage is now stamped as 23:15:20 23 Sep 2004. > I this correct? No The date should be 24th September, see report above from David, You should turn of your Cache of and you will get the right version. Mick. -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to email Virus ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:23:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBi5n-0006oH-7h-0006pF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBi5n-0006oH-7h; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:06:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBi5n-0006oH-7h; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:06:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBi5n-0000mp-6B; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:06:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBi54-0005xc-23; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:05:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8QN4lZ07402 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:04:47 +0100 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (newman.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8QN4jP07399 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:04:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12ACC1277C0 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:04:37 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:06:53 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Message-ID: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="4cf4b2b2denk3S8vEKf+0Jg0eOcew8sM" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a MIME encapsulated message. --4cf4b2b2denk3S8vEKf+0Jg0eOcew8sM Content-Type: text/plain Hi, As promised two tiny examples - leader-bug - in which the leader is not rendered leader-ok - in which the leader is rendered Both examples include a preceding 'heading' just in case that has some mysterious carry on effect. I am still mystified! 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Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:28:00 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Ovation Pro List Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:30:17 +1200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro leader problem Message-ID: <4cf4ba8ff1kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: Clearing up misunderstandings!! [snip} > I think I've had problems with right-align tabs if the position is too > close to or to the right of the right margin - probably set for a frame with > Inset 0mm but used in a frame which gives a slightly shorter line because of > the inset. Have you set the tabs and then applied the Right indent in the > Formatting dialogue box for the style? Are there circumstances where the > right indent necessary in the ToC or does the right-align tab in > practice always define the end of the line? Not quite! Where one has a -very- long title, it is sometimes necessary to split it over two lines. There are two approaches to this - which I have had to use in the past - put the extended line in a non-ToC style duly tabbed right with the Pno at the end - -or- delete excess length, tab to the page number and put the excess on a following line suitable tabbed to indicate it is really an extension of the title. So both your scenarios have applied in the past from time to time! > Do you want the third example (Indent style followed by ToC) to produce the > same result as the second (ToC style followed by Indent)? To do so I think > you'd have to take the indents out of ToC, make indents in ToC inherit, and > define a separate style (perhaps ToCmargins) which you'd apply if not using > Indent. This may not be much (any) advantage to you. Not really! My use of the indent is solely to balance the page content under a central heading. If the titles are quite long I prefer a little extra white at the left end of a line to give a more even appearnace rather than a 'left-heavy' one! > > The minor problem revealed by the test documnt attached is that the > > leaders before the text are not lined up correctly - I don't see why this > > occrs either. > A possibility is that the positioning of the leader starts at the tab > position and works back to the left, the leader you have defined > (dot-space-space) doesn't fit exactly into the 8mm grid. It fits 2+ times > into 8mm, 5+ times into 16mm, 8 (maybe+) into 24mm and 10+ into 32mm (by > adding a fourth level of sub heading. Mmm! That sounds to me horribly like an 'unexpected' feature. I always assumed that leaders from a left tab started at the tab and vice versa for a right tab. Mmm! Must look into that! > If this is correct you'd have to be able to define the leaders to a known > width which is in exact proportion to the vertical grid to get start and end > aligned. I appreciate that - but I haven't found a way of specifying leader length - is there one? You may already have read the short note to which I attached two tiny examples which, apart from the text content, should have the same leaders - but don't! One extracted from a 'contents only' document (OK), the other from the middle of another document (buggy). Thanks again for you insights. Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:23:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBq1l-0003Id-BA-0003J4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBq1l-0003Id-BA; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:34:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBq1l-0003Id-BA; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:34:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBq1l-00009W-9I; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:34:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBq1U-0006Hd-AI; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:34:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8R7Y5D16922 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:34:05 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8R7Y4916916 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:34:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=60969 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBq1F-0001hi-Pi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:33:57 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55691 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBq1F-0006mw-1c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:33:57 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c4a464$5a587d10$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:33:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi On Monday, September 27, 2004 1:06 AM , Keith Hopper wrote: > Hi, > As promised two tiny examples - > > leader-bug - in which the leader is not rendered > > leader-ok - in which the leader is rendered > > Both examples include a preceding 'heading' just in case that > has some mysterious carry on effect. > > I am still mystified! I don't know why ... but when I remove the tab at 20 (first one) in the buggy document, the leading works. when I add a tab at e.g. 180 (same as at 160) the leading between 160 and 180 works too. Just an observation ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:23:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBqq3-0005EP-LE-0005FA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBqq3-0005EP-LE; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:26:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBqq3-0005EP-LE; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:26:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBqq3-0003XF-9C; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:26:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBqpD-0002y3-2N; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:25:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8R8Pxp27511 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:25:59 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8R8Pw927506 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:25:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.174.211.127] (helo=patbryan.plusnet.co.uk) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CBqpP-0006y7-25 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:25:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:17:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Can anyone help? Message-ID: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="4cf4715ec76sIOt3e8E8r/WNhbeF69oo" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a MIME encapsulated message. --4cf4715ec76sIOt3e8E8r/WNhbeF69oo Content-Type: text/plain Hi everyone Can anyone solve the problem I have with the attached OP file? When using the new paragraph key after a deletion, OP freezes! Ctrl with Esc brings up a message from Ovation Pro - Script stopped. Continue does just that - till next time. Thanks in advance. 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Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBrA7-0005P2-Ee; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:47:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBrA7-0005P2-Ee; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:47:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBrA7-0004v9-78; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:47:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBr9S-0007QR-4f; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:46:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8R8kpw01147 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:46:51 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i8R8kox01141 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:46:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from unknown (HELO Vigor10) (brian?howlett@81.156.133.187 with plain) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 08:46:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:46:03 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Can anyone help? Message-ID: <55f3e7f44c.Brian@btinternet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 26 Sep, wrote: > Hi everyone > > Can anyone solve the problem I have with the attached OP file? > > When using the new paragraph key after a deletion, OP freezes! Ctrl > with Esc brings up a message from Ovation Pro - Script stopped. > Continue does just that - till next time. > Doesn't do that here, with OP 2.75 / RISC OS Select 4.39 - which OP version / RISC OS version are you using? -- Brian Howlett ----------------------- Procrastinate tomorrow! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:23:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBrK7-0005BL-QO-0005Cp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBrK7-0005BL-QO; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:57:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBrK7-0005BL-QO; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:57:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBrK6-0002vX-Rq; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:57:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBrJO-0006NV-M5; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:56:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8R8vJO03894 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:57:19 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8R8vJH03891 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:57:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.202.115]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:57:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:56:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Can anyone help? Message-ID: <4cf4e8e4b4Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.07) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2004 08:57:36.0645 (UTC) FILETIME=[08EFEB50:01C4A470] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , wrote: > Can anyone solve the problem I have with the attached OP file? > When using the new paragraph key after a deletion, OP freezes! Ctrl with > Esc brings up a message from Ovation Pro - Script stopped. Continue does > just that - till next time. Do you have the !List applet by Levens Software installed (!OvnPro.Applets.!List)? If so, try removing it. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:23:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBrTr-0003lz-Es-0003mp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBrTr-0003lz-Es; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:07:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBrTr-0003lz-Es; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:07:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBrTr-0001Nw-Dc; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:07:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBrTb-0005D9-RQ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:07:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8R97LN07169 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:07:21 +0100 Received: from mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (mta04-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.44]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8R97Ln07165 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:07:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.73.220]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040927090534.EYKK4745.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:05:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:07:09 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Can anyone help? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.45d (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="377865115--1399596455--1404073279"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --377865115--1399596455--1404073279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, wrote: > When using the new paragraph key after a deletion, OP freezes! Ctrl wit= h Esc > brings up a message from Ovation Pro - Script stopped. Continue does ju= st > that - till next time. That sounds like you've hit a bug in an applet - it's probably not document-specific. Try disabling some applets (double click on them within the OvPro.Applets= directory) and see when the error stops appearing (remember, you have to = quit and restart OvPro between changing the applet configuration). John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --377865115--1399596455--1404073279 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBV9hCp6M/P/S/JWgRAl5lAJ9Uo0d5fxSurB41Q4ALaDDnsG5PegCfa2YL e5sec5zOLc2EsxhDXCz4+nY= =zC1R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --377865115--1399596455--1404073279-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:23:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBrb0-00030o-9D-000320."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:23:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBrb0-00030o-9D; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:15:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBrb0-00030o-9D; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:14:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBrb0-0001pm-G8; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:14:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBrao-0002BJ-HP; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:14:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8R9Enc09478 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:14:49 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8R9EmR09472 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:14:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040927091508.QKTE19539.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:15:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:51:11 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Mon 27 Sep, Keith Hopper wrote: > Hi, > As promised two tiny examples - > > leader-bug - in which the leader is not rendered > > leader-ok - in which the leader is rendered > > Both examples include a preceding 'heading' just in case that has some > mysterious carry on effect. > By double-clicking each example file and dropping the other into the same document the symptome are the same. The OK text is always OK and the bug always shows. I have Opro set to use existing styles if a style of the same name is imported, not make extras eg ToC01. This demonstrates that there is nothing 'wrong' with the styles in the buggy example. Scanning the 2 DDL files in a text editor I do not see any differences with the styles. This points to something in the construction of the paragraph which is causing the problem. After various edits of the bug DDL file (the only one which helps a little is to ensure that the start of that line is not centred) I found 3 ways to get the leader. First as Tonnie Demarteau found to remove the leader-less tab at position 20, the second is to put a tab at the start of the line, and the third is very similar to add another tab in the text. What seems to be happening is that the first use of the Tab key in the line gets the leader of the first defined tab stop regardless of which tab stop it actually aligns to. I have tested this by adding a different character (*) as leader to the first tab stop position and see that leader as I expected from the above surmise. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:24:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBrfY-0006j9-Jp-0006k5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:24:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBrfY-0006j9-Jp; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:19:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBrfY-0006j9-Jp; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:19:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBrfX-0005Y5-KZ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:19:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBrep-0008TG-Pm; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:18:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8R9JLj10741 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:19:21 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8R9JLR10735 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:19:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040927091629.SONM1412.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:16:29 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:16:57 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro leader problem To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4cf4ba8ff1kh@waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Mon 27 Sep, Keith Hopper wrote: > In article , > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > Clearing up misunderstandings!! > > [snip} > > > I think I've had problems with right-align tabs if the position is too > > close to or to the right of the right margin - probably set for a frame > > with Inset 0mm but used in a frame which gives a slightly shorter line > > because of the inset. Have you set the tabs and then applied the Right > > indent in the Formatting dialogue box for the style? Are there > > circumstances where the right indent necessary in the ToC or does the > > right-align tab in practice always define the end of the line? > > Not quite! Where one has a -very- long title, it is sometimes > necessary to split it over two lines. There are two approaches to this - > which I have had to use in the past - put the extended line in a non-ToC > style duly tabbed right with the Pno at the end - -or- delete excess > length, tab to the page number and put the excess on a following line > suitable tabbed to indicate it is really an extension of the title. > > So both your scenarios have applied in the past from time to time! I think my approach would be to use the ToC style for the line with Page no, and use a separate style to hang the manually overflowed heading under the start of that heading. . . . . . An extremely long subheading which . . . . . 3 will not fit on one ToC line > > Do you want the third example (Indent style followed by ToC) to produce > > the same result as the second (ToC style followed by Indent)? To do so I > > think you'd have to take the indents out of ToC, make indents in ToC > > inherit, and define a separate style (perhaps ToCmargins) which you'd > > apply if not using Indent. This may not be much (any) advantage to you. > > Not really! My use of the indent is solely to balance the page content > under a central heading. If the titles are quite long I prefer a little > extra white at the left end of a line to give a more even appearnace rather > than a 'left-heavy' one! > > > > The minor problem revealed by the test documnt attached is that > > > the leaders before the text are not lined up correctly - I don't see > > > why this occrs either. > > > A possibility is that the positioning of the leader starts at the tab > > position and works back to the left, the leader you have defined > > (dot-space-space) doesn't fit exactly into the 8mm grid. It fits 2+ times > > into 8mm, 5+ times into 16mm, 8 (maybe+) into 24mm and 10+ into 32mm (by > > adding a fourth level of sub heading. > > Mmm! That sounds to me horribly like an 'unexpected' feature. I always > assumed that leaders from a left tab started at the tab and vice versa for > a right tab. Mmm! Must look into that! I think the leaders for a left tab *do* start at that tab. The text flows to the right from the tab and leaders flow to the left from the same position. Right tabs are different in that the text flows left from the tab and then the leader fills the remaining space. I think you are expecting the leader to start at the previous tab position if there is no text and flow from there. This would have a similar effect, leaving a variable white space between leader and text, eg: 1 Heading. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . sub head . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . .sub sub head. . . . . . . . 3 There is obviously no excuse for this in a fixed-pitch font but in normal typesetting I think it must happen one way or the other. I suppose the visual ideal is something like leaders justified within the space, but I imagine that would be impossible to programme. > > If this is correct you'd have to be able to define the leaders to a known > > width which is in exact proportion to the vertical grid to get start and > > end aligned. > > I appreciate that - but I haven't found a way of specifying leader > length - is there one? Not that I've found. Is there a way to specify space of thin-, en- or em-space (I don't know what a 'thin' space is but remember seeing it as an option alongside the other two in Pagemaker 5 or 6)? If this was possible you'd have to define your vertical grid in points knowing your font size. Very messy in practice. > You may already have read the short note to which I attached two tiny > examples which, apart from the text content, should have the same leaders - > but don't! One extracted from a 'contents only' document (OK), the other > from the middle of another document (buggy). Yes, seen and responded to separately. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:24:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBsT4-0005PN-6T-0005QR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:24:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CBsT4-0005PN-6T; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:10:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBsT4-0005PN-6T; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:10:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CBsT3-0006lp-MW; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:10:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CBsSD-0008Pd-N3; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:09:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8RAAO423917 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:10:24 +0100 Received: from smtp.fireflyuk.net (mail3.fireflyuk.net [207.44.238.99] (may be forged)) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8RAAN723906 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:10:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost by smtp.fireflyuk.net (FireFly Email Server v6.2.1) with SMTP id MUN74094 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:10:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:08:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: no current file - SOLVED Message-ID: <4cf4ef8611rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> References: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have now solved the problem (see below). As David Pilling suggested, the problem was caused by an Applet. The guilty party was StylePal. I have replaced the version I was using with the one on David's site and all is well. [for interest the one which caused the problem gives this information about itself: majorversion:1 minorversion:7 info:Palette which allows styles to be added, removed and edited. author: David Pilling majorcompatible:2 minorcompatible:45 usersettings:0 while the 'new' one (which works) tells me: all the same things except minorversion:2 Well, that might interest someone... but I'm happy as StylePal is the Applet I use most. Thanks again to those who helped. > ====== ORIGINAL PROBLEM =========== > I wonder if this is a bug or if something on my system > is causing it. > If I have a document loaded in OP and I copy selected > text and then I paste that text back into the document > an error message 'no current file' appears. > It seems that if the document has been saved then the > pasting works if done by CTL-V. If done from the main > menu: edit=> paste > I get the same error message but then there is a fatal > error type 5 and the document gets lost. > If the document has not been saved then the same thing > happens but there is always a fatal error. > I have notice this for some time, but until today I > have always had saved documents and used CTL-C and > CTL-V so the fatal error never occurred. > It does not depend on the document - I just tried > a new one with a simple sentence. > using RISC-PC strongarm OS 3.7 >======================================================== -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:24:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CBvcd-0005Ds-73-0005Ex."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:32:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:33:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: no current file - SOLVED Message-ID: <4cf4f74797john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf4ef8611rod@argonet.co.uk> References: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> <4cf4ef8611rod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 27 Sep, rod a wrote: > [for interest the one which caused the problem gives this > information about itself: > majorversion:1 > minorversion:7 > info:Palette which allows styles to be added, removed and edited. > author: David Pilling > majorcompatible:2 > minorcompatible:45 > usersettings:0 > while the 'new' one (which works) tells me: > all the same things except > minorversion:2 I have minorversion:8 -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:24:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CC1BQ-0001AO-9b-0001BW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:24:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CC1BQ-0001AO-9b; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:29:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CC1BQ-0001AO-9b; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:29:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CC1BQ-0005Ej-Nm; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:29:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CC1Ak-0007YX-CK; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:28:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8RJSmr02414 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:28:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8RJSlD02410 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:28:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CC1At-0001dl-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:28:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:49:47 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 for RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <1gl$U5N$yMVBFwTp@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear David, > > Hi, > > Ovation Pro for RISC OS 2.75 is available from; > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op275.zip > Thank you for the upgrade. The OvationPro icon does not show itself either as the application in the directory or on the iconbar. Should there be a ! at the end for the Sprites in: If "" >= "500" Then IconSprites .5Sprites Else If "" >= "400" Then IconSprites .4Sprites Else IconSprites .Sprites I am using a RiscPC 3.7 StrongArm Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ________________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind M. Share M.A. roz@lupus-support.org.uk | | | | \__ \ / LUpus Patients Understanding & Support |_| \___/ |___/ / http://www.lupus-support.org.uk LuPUS MB: http://www.lupus-forums.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:24:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CC5dn-0003aA-H4-0003aZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:24:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CC5dn-0003aA-H4; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:14:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CC5dn-0003aA-H4; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:14:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CC5dn-0001bo-22; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:14:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CC5co-00035H-Kk; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:13:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8S0DSa12995 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:13:28 +0100 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (newman.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8S0DQ812990 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:13:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77979127C11 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:13:15 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Ovation Pro List Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:58:24 +1200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Message-ID: <4cf53b7adfkh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: [snip debugging notes] > What seems to be happening is that the first use of the Tab key in the line > gets the leader of the first defined tab stop regardless of which tab stop it > actually aligns to. I have tested this by adding a different character (*) as > leader to the first tab stop position and see that leader as I expected from > the above surmise. It seems to me from reading your notes and Tonnie's that there is a work-around - thank you both. However, I do feel that this problem might actually be a bug in the tab/leader code, since it comes and goes (so to speak) with the insertion of a quite innocent tab - which isn't actually used in the buggy version. May I suggest the model of tabs and leaders which I was given by a master printer in a hot metal type situation many years ago? Tabs are 'chunks' of metal of a given width with no face (in practice pieces of metal of varying widths are used to make up the 'width' of a tab). These 'chunks' are only used to space after or before some text to line something up with subsequent or previous lines. This means that once in the forme there is absolutely no stretchability. If, instead of space there is to be a leader then a chunk of metal of the leader width is repeated - (1) In the case of a left tab - from the last position (which may have been a tab) up to the position where some character is to be placed. If the leader metal will not fit evenly then spacers are inserted to the right of the last leader and in front of the desired character to reach the position required. (2) In the case of a right tab - then the text in front of the tab position required is laid in the box and - rather more difficult - an imaginary leader is started at the beginning of the line up to or just beyond the end of the text preceding the text tabbed right. Space is added after the preceding text up to the end of these imaginary leaders. Further real leaders are then added as necessary in the same way that leaders are applied for a left tab - but up to the left edge of the tabbed text (spacing before this if needed). This insures an imaginary grid of leaders over the entire line for right tabbing. Does this 'old-fashioned' description accord with what you understand by tabs and leaders? If it does then perhaps we should expect OvPro to do something along these lines. In saying this I am explicitly not getting at David, just trying to get my head around a model of how leaders actually do work in terms of the hot metal model with which I am most familiar, rather than (if different) the hot metal model itself. Just a few more thoughts! Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:24:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCC6p-0000ot-Mj-0000pQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:24:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCC6p-0000ot-Mj; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:09:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCC6p-0000ot-Mj; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:09:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCC6o-0000lU-QW; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:09:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCC5F-0000a8-L0; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:07:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8S77wd14071 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:07:58 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8S77w514067 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:07:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from JeffWallis ([82.5.7.191]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040928070504.SGRU1412.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@JeffWallis> for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:05:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c4a529$dc8c2230$bf070552@JeffWallis> From: "Jeff Wallis" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 for RISC OS Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:07:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosalind M. Share" To: Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 for RISC OS > Dear David, > >> >> Hi, >> >> Ovation Pro for RISC OS 2.75 is available from; >> >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op275.zip >> > Thank you for the upgrade. > > The OvationPro icon does not show itself either as the application in the > directory or on the iconbar. Should there be a ! at the end for the > > Sprites > in: > > If "" >= "500" Then IconSprites .5Sprites Else > If > "" >= "400" Then IconSprites .4Sprites Else > IconSprites .Sprites > > > I am using a RiscPC 3.7 StrongArm > > Regards, > > Ros > -- Adding the pling in the !Boot file line as described above solved it for me. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:24:12 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCEUE-0004qG-Eq-0004rA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:24:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCEUE-0004qG-Eq; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:41:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCEUE-0004qG-Eq; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:41:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCEUE-0004m7-EH; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:41:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCETI-0004I8-5X; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:40:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8S9f5w18472 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:41:05 +0100 Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8S9f4i18468 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:41:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-107-244.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.107.244]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9007E1C003AE for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:40:55 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:40:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Scanner problem - repost Message-ID: <4cf570ca4brobh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Apologies if this appears twice, I thought I posted it yesterday but now cannot find any trace of it - even in my mail log! Anyway, my scanner seems to have developed a problem - scans are appearing with a number of horizontal lines across the image. It could well be a coincidence but it seems to have only happened since upgrading to the latest version of !DplngScan although I had not used it for a couple of weeks or so before that. Can anyone suggest whether this is more likely to mean that my scanner is fault and needs replacing :-( or if it could be a software issue? I'm using version 1.20 of !DplngScan, a TWAIN driver (MustekSP) version 2.13 with a Mustek 12000SP scanner. It is connected via a CTL SCSI card to my RiscPC running RISC OS 4.02. The problem seems to affect all resolutions in both colour and grey scale but is not visible in previews. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:24:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCIv8-0006JZ-4A-0006KQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:24:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCIv8-0006JZ-4A; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:25:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCIv8-0006JZ-4A; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:25:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCIv8-00027q-3d; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:25:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCIuO-0001We-3Z; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:24:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8SEP1X05379 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:25:01 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8SEP0m05374 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:25:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=39680 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCIuR-0007QT-24 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:24:51 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55358 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCIuP-0001Fv-Rw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:24:49 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c4a566$eb4e7010$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4cf53b7adfkh@waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:24:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:58 AM , Keith Hopper wrote: > In article , > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > [snip debugging notes] > >> What seems to be happening is that the first use of the Tab key in >> the line gets the leader of the first defined tab stop regardless of >> which tab stop it actually aligns to. I have tested this by adding a >> different character (*) as leader to the first tab stop position and >> see that leader as I expected from the above surmise. > ... > However, I do feel that this problem might actually be a bug in > the tab/leader code, since it comes and goes (so to speak) with the > insertion of a quite innocent tab - which isn't actually used in the buggy > version. > > May I suggest the model of tabs and leaders which I was given by > a master printer in a hot metal type situation many years ago? ... > In saying this I am explicitly not getting at David, just trying > to get my head around a model of how leaders actually do work in terms > of the hot metal model with which I am most familiar, rather than (if > different) the hot metal model itself. > > Just a few more thoughts! > Except from the buggy stuff that you have hit, I can't see a problem with the way the leaders work. With a left tab -even in proportionally spaced text- the periods in e.g. the first pages of Chapters of the manual are nicely hoizontal aligned. I used a zoom of 1000 and vertical guidelines to check that. I also changed font to LondonA - the font that you used in your examples. Again I see good alignment. The end of the advance width is different for each char and hence also the total width for each group of characters or words. Hence -in general- the space between last char and the leading part is different for each line to be able to get the first leader character (in your example the period) nicely horizontal aligned. It seems to me that the leadering starts from the tab and ends at the text. In case of a left tab, that's backwards. Maybe I misunderstood your point. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 19:24:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCLN9-0007SQ-Ep-0007Ub."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:24:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCLN9-0007SQ-Ep; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:02:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCLN9-0007SQ-Ep; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:02:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCLN9-0006AB-CG; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:02:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCLLz-0005of-T7; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:01:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8SH28918284 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:02:08 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8SH28v18281 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:02:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [81.174.211.243] (helo=patbryan.plusnet.co.uk) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CCLMT-0001Hk-5R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:01:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:52:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Can anyone help? Message-ID: <4cf5984bc1patbryan@patbryan.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4cf4e8e4b4Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> References: <4cf4e8e4b4Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 27 Sep, Ian Hamilton wrote: > In article , > wrote: > > Can anyone solve the problem I have with the attached OP file? > > When using the new paragraph key after a deletion, OP freezes! Ctrl with > > Esc brings up a message from Ovation Pro - Script stopped. Continue does > > just that - till next time. > Do you have the !List applet by Levens Software installed > (!OvnPro.Applets.!List)? If so, try removing it. > Ian Thanks for the help. Twas the !List applet. It has been terminated! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 21:33:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCOdY-0001ER-7N-0001FP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:33:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCOdY-0001ER-7N; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:31:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCOdY-0001ER-7N; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:31:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCOdY-0001H4-31; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:31:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCOcU-0003Rk-Rr; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:30:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8SKUuK21540 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:30:56 +0100 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (newman.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8SKUsY21534 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:30:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967CD1279FD for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:30:42 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:30:42 +1200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Message-ID: <4cf5ac4cb6kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <000701c4a566$eb4e7010$6502a8c0@padua> References: <4cf53b7adfkh@waikato.ac.nz> <000701c4a566$eb4e7010$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <000701c4a566$eb4e7010$6502a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: [snip earlier discussion] > It seems to me that the leadering starts from the tab and ends at the text. > In case of a left tab, that's backwards. That is precisely my point - it should always be forwards - the left/right difference lies in the need for 'imaginary' leaders from the line beginning to the end of the pre-tab text with a right tab - then apply space to line up the start of a real leader with the end of the imaginary ones). For a left tab the real leaders start immediately after preceding text (or another tab if multiple tabs are involved). Does this sound OK to you? Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 21:53:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCOuY-0001pB-FA-0001pe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:53:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCOuY-0001pB-FA; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:49:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCOuY-0001pB-FA; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:49:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCOuY-0002Ki-DQ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:49:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCOu3-00075G-Qh; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:48:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8SKmtC24180 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:48:55 +0100 Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8SKmsB24175 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:48:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-207-163.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.207.163]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B449E4C00331 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:48:44 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:17:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Can anyone help? Message-ID: <4cf5ab0e3dsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <55f3e7f44c.Brian@btinternet.com> References: <55f3e7f44c.Brian@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 27 Sep, Brian Howlett wrote: > On 26 Sep, wrote: > > Hi everyone > > > > Can anyone solve the problem I have with the attached OP file? > > > > When using the new paragraph key after a deletion, OP freezes! Ctrl > > with Esc brings up a message from Ovation Pro - Script stopped. > > Continue does just that - till next time. > > > Doesn't do that here, with OP 2.75 / RISC OS Select 4.39 - which OP > version / RISC OS version are you using? That's easy to answer - 2.70 - the value is embedded in the first section of the file. Pat might like to consider downloading the update to take the installed copy to 2.75 irrespective of having fixed the most obvious problem by removing an applet. http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro.html -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 22:33:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCPV9-0005vO-DF-0005wC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:33:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCPV9-0005vO-DF; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:27:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCPV9-0005vO-DF; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:27:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCPV8-0000qH-Qq; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:27:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCPUh-0001uE-V5; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:26:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8SLQqc29505 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:26:52 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8SLQqc29502 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:26:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.151.57] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CCOTg-0005iR-PI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:21:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:15:56 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.63 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > A major upgrade of some of the fonts supplied with Ovation Pro is > available. > > Visit the web page; > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/fontup.html > > to read about them and download. > > The fonts are; > > SwissB > Curator > Paladin > Vogue > Bookmark > Chaucer > SymbolB > DPDings > > You may recognise them as being the same as the fonts recently released > for the Windows version of Ovation Pro (see > http://www.davidpilling.net/fonts.html). Users of Ovation Pro now have a > set of fonts they can use on both RISC OS and Windows. > > The fonts actually go back to 1989, Beebug and Ovation. The new versions > contain more characters - for example the euro symbol and have been > thoroughly modernised for newer versions of RISC OS. > > PostScript type 1 files are supplied, meaning you won't get the > irritating filled characters with some forms of PostScript output. > Thanks very much for these new fonts David. For some obscure reason I had great difficulty installing them on Adjust 4.39. I decided to do it manually but although they seemed to be present in !Fonts RISC OS did not want to know. So I retried using the !Boot utility. Still no joy. I next deleted !Fonts from !Boot.Resources and replaced it with a backup where the old Beebug fonts were working and used the !Boot utility to merge. After merging I clicked on Rescan - it crashed as did Open Fonts. However after a shutdown everything was OK. Maybe I should have done a rescan first time. Question: Is it possible to get the Truetype version of these fonts to use in Oregano? Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ Turn left where the chip shop used to be. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 22:43:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCPg5-0007TQ-8b-0007Tm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:43:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCPg5-0007TQ-8b; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:38:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCPg5-0007TQ-8b; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:38:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCPg5-0002PE-FP; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:38:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCPez-0003sI-8Y; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:37:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8SLc4v30992 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:38:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8SLc3Y30987 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:38:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CCPfV-0004FR-K5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:37:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:36:35 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is it possible to get the Truetype version of these fonts to use in >Oregano? Naive answer, yes. If you have Ovation Pro for Windows, you've got the TT versions of the fonts... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 22:53:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCPpf-0003F2-Nx-0003Fe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:53:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCPpf-0003F2-Nx; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:48:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCPpf-0003F2-Nx; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:48:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCPpf-0002Yp-77; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:48:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCPoi-0005Tq-SS; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:47:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8SLmBX32260 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:48:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8SLmBw32257 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:48:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CCPpJ-0005MB-Jn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:48:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:46:29 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: no current file - SOLVED References: <00c001c496da$d6142d60$73f4e5d4@mypc> <4cf27f7780rod@argonet.co.uk> <4cf4ef8611rod@argonet.co.uk> <4cf4f74797john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf4f74797john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> information about itself: >> majorversion:1 >> minorversion:7 >> while the 'new' one (which works) tells me: >> all the same things except >> minorversion:2 > >I have minorversion:8 I think this is because Nick Kaijaks produced an improved version of the Style Palette. See the alternative OP site; http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/ -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 23:13:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCQ5f-0001pz-LE-0001qc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:13:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCQ5f-0001pz-LE; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:04:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCQ5f-0001pz-LE; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:04:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCQ5f-0006sy-CU; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:04:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCQ4w-0004Ym-B4; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:04:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8SM4mh02404 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:04:48 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8SM4m502400 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:04:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=55971 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCQ5O-0007sg-9R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:04:38 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55649 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCQ5N-0007Od-3f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:04:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001701c4a5a7$2696b930$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4cf53b7adfkh@waikato.ac.nz> <000701c4a566$eb4e7010$6502a8c0@padua> <4cf5ac4cb6kh@waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:04:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:30 PM , Keith Hopper wrote: > In article <000701c4a566$eb4e7010$6502a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > [snip earlier discussion] > >> It seems to me that the leadering starts from the tab and ends at >> the text. In case of a left tab, that's backwards. > > > That is precisely my point - it should always be forwards - the > left/right difference lies in the need for 'imaginary' leaders from > the line beginning to the end of the pre-tab text with a right tab - then > apply space to line up the start of a real leader with the end of the > imaginary ones). For a left tab the real leaders start immediately > after preceding text (or another tab if multiple tabs are involved). > > Does this sound OK to you? > I have to say, that I have no problem at all with the way it works. As I wrote, it seems to me from tab to text. The tab is the only 'fixed' point in a line of proportional spaced text -except from left and right site of the frame. So, I like the harmony of the 'grid' created by the leaders, built from tabs to text. The consequence of a different 'space' between last char and first leader (or the opposite with a right tab) and the other spaces is -in my view- inevitable in a proportional font. Of course, I can be wrong :-) Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 28 23:53:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCQmV-0000Sc-Gf-0000TS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:53:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCQmV-0000Sc-Gf; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:49:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCQmV-0000Sc-Gf; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:49:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCQmU-0002pg-T8; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:49:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCQmC-0004rz-Qy; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:48:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8SMmuC07849 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:48:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8SMmuf07846 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:48:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CCQm5-0000nv-9T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:48:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:47:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 for RISC OS References: <000501c4a529$dc8c2230$bf070552@JeffWallis> In-Reply-To: <000501c4a529$dc8c2230$bf070552@JeffWallis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, OK, I'm sorry there was a problem for user of RISC OS 3.70 and older with the upgrade. Thanks to the people who have pointed out the solution. In !OvnPro.!Boot, the (very long) line; If "" >= "500" Then IconSprites .5Sprites Else If "" >= "400" Then IconSprites .4Sprites Else IconSprites .!Sprites is correct as show above. In other words, insert a ! before the last Sprites in the line. You only need do this if you are having problems. I've fixed the upgrade on my web site, but I have not changed the version number or date. Sept. 24 is shown in the Info window (icon bar menu) that's the only date that matters. We're not quite desperate enough to start on file time stamps. Another smooth upgrade. The joke was that this upgrade was just to see if I still could do upgrades. As to the OP RISC OS 5 icons. Richard Hallas did them (he also designed all the RISC OS 5 icons which come with the Iyonix). I think he's covered in an article the reaction he has had. Something like people don't like change, and you can't make everyone happy. If you prefer the RISC OS 4, or RISC OS 3 icons, then you can change !Boot (as above) to get them. As Queen Victoria said "Change! Things are quite bad enough already". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 29 01:03:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCRum-00025W-48-000272."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:03:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCRum-00025W-48; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:01:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCRum-00025W-48; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:01:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCRum-0007RT-3q; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:01:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCRts-0004um-Sk; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:00:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8T01f517420 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:01:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8T01fX17414 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:01:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CCRvc-000MYa-6H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:02:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:59:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade Message-ID: <4cf5bf7449Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Richard Watkinson wrote: > Thanks very much for these new fonts David. > For some obscure reason I had great difficulty installing them on > Adjust 4.39. I decided to do it manually but although they seemed to > be present in !Fonts RISC OS did not want to know. Do you have a Messages1 file inside !Fonts containing the index of installed fonts? If so, did you rebuild it? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 29 03:53:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCUZB-00065U-73-00065o."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:53:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCUZB-00065U-73; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 02:51:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCUZB-00065U-73; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 02:51:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCUZA-0002NF-Q5; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 02:51:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCUXo-00075E-R0; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:50:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8T2oZ207035 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:50:35 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8T2oZi07027 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:50:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CCUXw-000Gwi-83 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 02:50:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:49:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples References: <4cf53b7adfkh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4cf53b7adfkh@waikato.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > May I suggest the model of tabs and leaders which I was given by a >master printer in a hot metal type situation many years ago? Taking this one piece at a time. Your observation of leaders was something I understood. I wrote it to work that way. It seems my original idea was to centre the leaders in the space available, and I then changed to the way it works now. I'm interested to read how it should work. Somewhat surprised that someone actually knows. When writing OP there just wasn't time to convene a meeting to decide stuff at this level of detail. Should I change things? It'd not be that hard, but obviously would change the appearance of existing documents. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 29 04:23:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCV3l-0007LD-Ry-0007Ll."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 04:23:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCV3l-0007LD-Ry; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:23:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCV3l-0007LD-Ry; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:23:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCV3l-0003Mx-FV; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:23:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCV2v-00074m-7f; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 04:22:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8T3N0D12553 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 04:23:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8T3MxG12549 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 04:23:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CCV3I-000G6A-Hi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:22:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 04:21:43 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >What seems to be happening is that the first use of the Tab key in the line >gets the leader of the first defined tab stop regardless of which tab stop it >actually aligns to. I have tested this by adding a different character (*) as >leader to the first tab stop position and see that leader as I expected from >the above surmise. Yes that seems to be exactly right. ISTR having had a discussion about this some time back with Roger Maine. Changing this would be difficult. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 29 13:50:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCaOM-0006S0-Qp-0006Sm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:50:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCaOM-0006S0-Qp; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:04:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCaOM-0006S0-Qp; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:04:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCaOM-0004Z4-2P; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:04:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCaNT-0001N7-M0; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:03:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8T94Q508951 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:04:26 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8T94PD08942 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:04:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CCaNi-0002ch-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:04:14 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.205] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CCaNh-0002FK-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:04:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:22:35 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples Message-ID: References: <4cf53b7adfkh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > > May I suggest the model of tabs and leaders which I was given by a > >master printer in a hot metal type situation many years ago? > > Taking this one piece at a time. Your observation of leaders was > something I understood. I wrote it to work that way. > > It seems my original idea was to centre the leaders in the space > available, and I then changed to the way it works now. Which always seems to be right aligned in the space available. > I'm interested to read how it should work. The problem is that a single, fixed way will never be perfect in all circumstances. The second problem is that devising a cunning algorithm would lead to results that users cannot understand prompting them to ask why the one leader string is left-aligned and the other one is right-aligned. So, the best solution would be to make the leader alignment a property of the tab in addition to the leader character (two bits to spare anywhere in the structure?). Of course, this would be quite some work, most notably an extension of the user interface, which is costly. If you do not want to do that, the existing behaviour could still be improved slightly: Let us assume that aligning leader characters of adjacent lines is the main goal. In that case, OP could do better than it does now. Let us call tab positions "fixed" positions and the ends of arbitrary text "ragged". The basic observation is that the leader string may be embedded between two ragged positions or between a ragged and a fixed position or between two fixed positions. Aligning to a fixed position should be preferred to aligning to a ragged position. In the case of a left tab, we always know that the right end of the leader is at a "fixed" position, so right aligning the leader (as OP does now) makes perfect sense. In the case of right and centre tabs, we know that the right end of the leader is "ragged" as long as there is some text following the tab (which is likely). However, there is still a chance that the leader string starts at a fixed position. This always happens when the preceding tab was a right tab. It can also happen when the preceding tab was a left or centre tab and there was no text following that tab. In these cases, aligning the leader string to the left would be better. However, there is also the aspect of stability: We do not want the alignment to change suddenly when the user types some text. This means that it is debatable whether the presence of text on either side of the tab should really be taken into account. However, there is at least one case where there is no doubt: The leader of any tab following a right tab should always be left aligned because it always starts at the same fixed position in all lines. > Should I change things? It'd not be that hard, but obviously would > change the appearance of existing documents. You could always add an "intelligent leader alignment" option. With this option off, all leaders would remain right aligned. On the other hand, if you only change the leader alignment of a tab following a right tab, then not too many documents will change - and I doubt it would be very obvious that they changed. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 29 13:50:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCdep-00007t-Ea-00008g."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:50:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCdep-00007t-Ea; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:34:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCdep-00007t-Ea; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:34:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCdeo-00041Y-US; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:34:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCddb-0004oV-BY; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:32:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8TCXcQ02254 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:33:38 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8TCXb602246 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:33:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=40411 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCdeA-00053l-H2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:33:26 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55442 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCde9-00072s-IO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:33:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c4a620$854c4930$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:33:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:15 PM , Richard Watkinson wrote: >> You may recognise them as being the same as the fonts recently >> released for the Windows version of Ovation Pro (see >> http://www.davidpilling.net/fonts.html). Users of Ovation Pro now >> have a set of fonts they can use on both RISC OS and Windows. >> .... > Question: > > Is it possible to get the Truetype version of these fonts to use in > Oregano? > I tried in the demo of Oregano2. I created directories like Paladin and Bookmark in !Oregano.Resources.Fonts I copied the 4 TT fonts for Paladin and Bookmark - which has to copied from the system folder Fonts (or Control panel -->Fonts) to a default windows folder first - into their newly created folders inside !Oregano. I changed the names to Regular, Italic, Bold, BoldItalic - Likely the original weight names will work too. e.g. Roman and RomanItalic and Light and LightOblique. But that isn't all, that has to be done. !ConfiX -anyway the one that comes with my demo- uses the file !Oregano.ConFiX._Config to get the info to build the menu in !ConFiX appliaction. To get other and new fonts displayed in the menu of !ConfiX, additions have to made to the lines (4 times), Menu=Font; Old Times,Old-Times;Typewriter,Typewriter in this _config file. easy to find these lines with Find in !Edit. The changes don't need to be the same for each line. e.g. change for proportional font can be: Menu=Font; Old Times,Old-Times;Typewriter,Typewriter;Paladin,Paladin;Bookmark,Bookmark;Swis sB,SwissB whilst the line for monospaced font can be: Menu=Font; Old Times,Old-Times;Typewriter,Typewriter;Curator,Curator Of course -as far as supported in Oregano2/OS in use- different encodings can be used. No need to say, that it is wise to make a copy of the original _Config File !!!! After adding the fonts and updating the _Config file, the added fonts can be used. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From rwatki@argonet.co.uk Wed Sep 29 19:01:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCikm-0005bL-Li-0005bP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:01:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCikm-0005bL-Li; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:00:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCikm-0005bL-Li for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:00:36 +0000 Received: from [213.161.67.201] (helo=smtp.argonet.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCikm-0006K8-IZ for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:00:36 +0000 Received: from [213.116.54.246] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CChjl-0007dD-FF for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:55:30 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:10:09 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.75 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4364c0f54c.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.63 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) You wrote: > Hi, > > OK, I'm sorry there was a problem for user of RISC OS 3.70 and older > with the upgrade. > > Thanks to the people who have pointed out the solution. > > In !OvnPro.!Boot, the (very long) line; > > If "" >= "500" Then IconSprites .5Sprites Else > If "" >= "400" Then IconSprites .4Sprites Else > IconSprites .!Sprites > > is correct as show above. In other words, insert a ! before the last > Sprites in the line. > > You only need do this if you are having problems. > > I've fixed the upgrade on my web site, but I have not changed the > version number or date. > > Sept. 24 is shown in the Info window (icon bar menu) that's the only > date that matters. We're not quite desperate enough to start on file > time stamps. > > Another smooth upgrade. The joke was that this upgrade was just to see > if I still could do upgrades. > Pillock! :-) > As to the OP RISC OS 5 icons. Richard Hallas did them (he also designed > all the RISC OS 5 icons which come with the Iyonix). I think he's > covered in an article the reaction he has had. Something like people > don't like change, and you can't make everyone happy. > > If you prefer the RISC OS 4, or RISC OS 3 icons, then you can change > !Boot (as above) to get them. Icons are usualy of minimal importance but with OP going through so many changes I think a new set is no bad thing. There has never been anything to prevent us redesigning our own icons for different versions of applications other than futility. > As Queen Victoria said "Change! Things are quite bad enough already". I was wondering about going for the OP RISC OS 5 icons despite the fact I am using OP on RISC OS 4.39. I like them and with a bit of renaming here and there... Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ A kitten is for life... From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 29 21:21:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCksJ-0003kj-AL-0003lC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:21:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCksJ-0003kj-AL; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:16:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCksJ-0003kj-AL; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:16:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCksI-0005yh-Ux; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:16:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCks3-0001BE-8l; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:16:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8TKFwn09058 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:15:58 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8TKFvh09054 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:15:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.130.16] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CCjqj-000723-VZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:10:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:13:07 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS Fonts Upgrade Message-ID: References: <4cf5bf7449Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cf5bf7449Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.63 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cf5bf7449Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article , > Richard Watkinson wrote: > > > Thanks very much for these new fonts David. > > > For some obscure reason I had great difficulty installing them on > > Adjust 4.39. I decided to do it manually but although they seemed to > > be present in !Fonts RISC OS did not want to know. > > Do you have a Messages1 file inside !Fonts containing the index of > installed fonts? If so, did you rebuild it? > Yes and I did not rebuild it. I think that answers the question. When I finally got everything to work I had clicked on Rescan fonts. Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ Join the RSPB today -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 30 16:22:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCyPA-0001KP-E8-0001LG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:22:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCyPA-0001KP-E8; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:43:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCyPA-0001KP-E8; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:43:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCyPA-0007Ah-65; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:43:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCyOp-0000S1-PE; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:42:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8UAgbV24501 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:42:37 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8UAgak24495 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:42:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.116.50.103] (helo=213.116.50.103) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CCxNL-0005p8-4u for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:37:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Tim Rickard) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:47:12 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.36 for RISC OS 4.39 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Fonts Upgrade Message-Id: <2453279.1047123-wildtime@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed 29 Sep 2004 (19:13:07 +0100), rwatki@argonet.co.uk wrote: >In message <4cf5bf7449Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > >> In article , >> Richard Watkinson wrote: >> >> > Thanks very much for these new fonts David. >> >> > For some obscure reason I had great difficulty installing them on >> > Adjust 4.39. I decided to do it manually but although they seemed >to >> > be present in !Fonts RISC OS did not want to know. >> >> Do you have a Messages1 file inside !Fonts containing the index of >> installed fonts? If so, did you rebuild it? >> > >Yes and I did not rebuild it. I think that answers the question. When I >finally got everything to work I had clicked on Rescan fonts. > >Richard Watkinson > >Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival > >http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ Dear David, I found this exchange extremely useful. I installed both ways, manually and via !Boot The newly installed fonts were not recognised until I indexed my list of fonts and then rescanned, via the !Boot Configuration Fonts panel. I, too, am on Adjust 4.39. Many thanks, Tim Tim Rickard Prospero Productions Ltd. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 30 16:22:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCyqV-0002AV-Bp-0002BY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:22:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCyqV-0002AV-Bp; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:11:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCyqV-0002AV-Bp; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:11:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCyqV-0004QL-F5; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:11:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCyqB-0001GG-7T; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:11:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8UBB8N32462 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:11:08 +0100 Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8UBB8H32459 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:11:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk (i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net [195.137.94.49]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8UBB6nF015608 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:11:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:11:42 +0100 From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Golden Message-ID: <45cb80f64c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Could anyone please advise this utterly non-artistic person how best to create in OP 2.75 (RO 3.7) the colour best suited to a Golden Wedding celebration? TIA. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 30 16:22:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCz1y-0005qL-FX-0005rN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:22:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCz1y-0005qL-FX; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:23:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCz1y-0005qL-FX; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:23:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCz1x-0003ix-G5; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:23:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCz1i-0004Tv-2z; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:23:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8UBN9R03321 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:23:09 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8UBN8K03317 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:23:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CCz1f-0005cp-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:23:07 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.96] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CCz1f-0007wJ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:23:07 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:22:50 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Golden Message-ID: References: <45cb80f64c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <45cb80f64c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <45cb80f64c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> Ian Wolfe wrote: > Could anyone please advise this utterly non-artistic person how best to > create in OP 2.75 (RO 3.7) the colour best suited to a Golden Wedding > celebration? TIA. The problem is that gold is not a colour. You can draw objects that look golden, but they do so because they have the right colour graduations and highlights. Henk Huinen once did a tutorial in Acorn Publisher on how to achieve a gold effect in ArtWorks. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 30 16:22:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CCzJH-0004Pa-4d-0004Qf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:22:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CCzJH-0004Pa-4d; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:41:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCzJH-0004Pa-4d; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:41:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CCzJH-0002QF-8Z; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:41:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CCzIq-0003rV-OA; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:40:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8UBeo608618 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:40:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8UBenW08611 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:40:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CCzIl-000Q0V-G6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:40:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:38:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Golden Message-ID: <4cf68346b1Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <45cb80f64c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <45cb80f64c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> > Ian Wolfe wrote: > > Could anyone please advise this utterly non-artistic person how > > best to create in OP 2.75 (RO 3.7) the colour best suited to a > > Golden Wedding celebration? TIA. > The problem is that gold is not a colour. You can draw objects that > look golden, but they do so because they have the right colour > graduations and highlights. Henk Huinen once did a tutorial in Acorn > Publisher on how to achieve a gold effect in ArtWorks. It's also going to depend a lot on the printer you're using and the paper/card you're printing onto. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 30 16:22:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CD0KX-00076u-GH-00077Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:22:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CD0KX-00076u-GH; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:46:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CD0KX-00076u-GH; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:46:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CD0KW-0004uO-91; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:46:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CD0JF-0002yu-Ne; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:45:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8UCjEu26582 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:45:14 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8UCjEZ26578 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:45:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i8UCj9Z5031863 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:45:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4cf68346b1Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Golden MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:45:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > > Could anyone please advise this utterly non-artistic person how > > > best to create in OP 2.75 (RO 3.7) the colour best suited to a > > > Golden Wedding celebration? TIA. > > > The problem is that gold is not a colour. You can draw objects that > > look golden, but they do so because they have the right colour > > graduations and highlights. Henk Huinen once did a tutorial in Acorn > > Publisher on how to achieve a gold effect in ArtWorks. > > It's also going to depend a lot on the printer you're using and the > paper/card you're printing onto. > You could always use gold paper and print black or some other solid colour where you don't want gold Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 30 17:12:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CD3WO-000748-PV-00075F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:12:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CD3WO-000748-PV; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:11:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CD3WO-000748-PV; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:11:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CD3WO-0002RC-KG; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:11:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CD3W2-00085w-TL; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:10:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8UGAXt17676 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:10:33 +0100 Received: from smtp4.global.net.uk (smtp4.global.net.uk [80.189.92.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8UGAWp17673 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:10:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 218.232.adsl.brightview.com ([80.189.232.218] helo=RTV) by smtp4.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1CD3Vm-0009ED-IC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:10:30 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:07:19 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Golden Message-ID: <4CF690DF29%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <45cb80f64c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Authenticated-Sender: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Ian Wolfe wrote: > > Could anyone please advise this utterly non-artistic person how best to > > create in OP 2.75 (RO 3.7) the colour best suited to a Golden Wedding > > celebration? TIA. > The problem is that gold is not a colour. You can draw objects that look > golden, but they do so because they have the right colour graduations and > highlights. Henk Huinen once did a tutorial in Acorn Publisher on how to > achieve a gold effect in ArtWorks. If you have access to a laser printer, Paper Direct used to sell a gold foil which you put over your paper when you print the design. The foil 'sticks' to the black parts & IIRC you can attach the gold only where needed. I checked the site but couldn't see it, so I can say if they still sell the foil. http://www.vistapapers.co.uk/cgi-bin/vistapapers.storefront -- Conversation enriches the understanding, but solitude is the school of genius. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:32:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CD4fY-0007MN-G2; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:24:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CD4fY-0007MN-G2; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:24:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CD4fY-0003Uq-Pi; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:24:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CD4ev-000060-Pb; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:24:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8UHNuv32282 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:23:56 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.co.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8UHNtE32279 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:23:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.234.229] (helo=bd39.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CD4en-00038z-F4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:23:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:21:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Golden Message-ID: <4cf6a2a53candrew@owlart.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4cf68346b1Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , wrote: > > > > Could anyone please advise this utterly non-artistic person how > > > > best to create in OP 2.75 (RO 3.7) the colour best suited to a > > > > Golden Wedding celebration? TIA. > > > > > The problem is that gold is not a colour. You can draw objects that > > > look golden, but they do so because they have the right colour > > > graduations and highlights. Henk Huinen once did a tutorial in Acorn > > > Publisher on how to achieve a gold effect in ArtWorks. > > > > It's also going to depend a lot on the printer you're using and the > > paper/card you're printing onto. > > > You could always use gold paper and print black or some other solid > colour where you don't want gold If it's something relatively small (a couple A4 sheets or so) then I have a Citizen Printiva which prints gold, silver red & blue metallics as well as stardard printing. It works best on very smooth paper and isn't high-gloss gold but looks metallic none-the-less. Get in touch if you want anything printing. Andrew -- http://www.owlart.net/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 30 22:12:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CD84r-0006Db-NX-0006EV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:12:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CD84r-0006Db-NX; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:03:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CD84r-0006Db-NX; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:03:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CD84q-0003j1-Vs; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:03:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CD84Y-0006Tu-K1; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:02:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8UL2d902338 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:02:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8UL2cl02334 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:02:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CD84S-000Gxy-Ki for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:02:36 +0000 Message-ID: <4Yz86EDsQHXBFwxB@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:01:32 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Golden References: <4cf68346b1Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4cf6a2a53candrew@owlart.net> In-Reply-To: <4cf6a2a53candrew@owlart.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > highlights. Henk Huinen once did a tutorial in Acorn Publisher on how to > achieve a gold effect in ArtWorks. Volume 9 issue 2. It's still available from us. -- John Cartmell editor Qercus - editor@qercus.com www.qercus.com Qercus: a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines one magazine for graphics & design - one magazine for all RISC OS users Finnybank Ltd 30 Finnybank Rd Sale M33 6LR == 0161 969 9820 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 30 22:52:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1CD8nJ-0002oO-EA-0002ov."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:52:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1CD8nJ-0002oO-EA; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:48:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CD8nJ-0002oO-EA; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:48:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1CD8nJ-0004BI-7M; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:48:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CD8mv-0004di-J4; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:48:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i8ULmc810118 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:48:38 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i8ULmbK10115 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:48:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040930214845.HLKS2251.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:48:45 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:22:20 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Leader-bug examples To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Wed 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >What seems to be happening is that the first use of the Tab key in the > >line gets the leader of the first defined tab stop regardless of which tab > >stop it actually aligns to. I have tested this by adding a different > >character (*) as leader to the first tab stop position and see that leader > >as I expected from the above surmise. > > Yes that seems to be exactly right. > > ISTR having had a discussion about this some time back with Roger Maine. > Changing this would be difficult. Pity this is the difficult bit to change regarding leaders because it is the bit which strikes me most as being wrong. If David hadn't written the above implying deliberate choice in programming I'd wonder if it was a bug. The leader is attached to the tab position and can be (will often be) different for different positions along a line so should be active for that position regardless of what else is on the line. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net