From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 1 23:30:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bg9yp-00071j-Nn-00072N."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:30:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bg9yp-00071j-Nn; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:24:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bg9yp-00071j-Nn; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:24:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bg9yp-0001uF-1o; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:24:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bg9yY-0002pb-2f; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:24:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i61MO4G11100 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:24:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i61MO3g11094 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:24:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bg9yN-000BJN-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:24:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:19:22 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc7db5b54Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: [snip grumpiness] While we're at it, can I suggest (or remind you) that you should keep a copy of te original runimage in case whatever you do wrecks the current one? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 2 00:30:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgAuf-0002Wh-Mp-0002Xt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:30:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgAuf-0002Wh-Mp; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:24:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgAuf-0002Wh-Mp; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:24:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgAue-0005Nm-Tn; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:24:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgAtI-0002WC-8Q; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 00:22:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i61NF5G20335 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:15:05 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DBE02.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.190.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i61NEwO20271 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:14:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BgAlc-0003BF-00 for ; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 01:14:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 01:14:55 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc7e5efabsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dave Symes wrote: > Command line, command line! this is the 21st century y'know, not 1983. So what? The command line is much more versatile than any GUI. This is still true in 2004, you know. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 2 13:37:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgHBE-0003ga-Je-0003h5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:37:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgHBE-0003ga-Je; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:05:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgHBE-0003ga-Je; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:05:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgHBD-0006mM-Sj; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:05:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgHAy-0006cW-HP; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:05:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6265Ac26772 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:05:10 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i62658i26764 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:05:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ppp-225-0-223.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.0.223]:1024 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgHAZ-00097A-Nt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:05:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 05:58:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc8056a9cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cc7e5efabsbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7e5efabsbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cc7e5efabsbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > Command line, command line! this is the 21st century y'know, not 1983. > So what? The command line is much more versatile than any GUI. This is > still true in 2004, you know. You are in error. If you'd said... In certain circumstances, the command line can be more versatile than the GUI. I'd believe that. You try writing a letter, filling a spreadsheet, touching up a graphic from the command line, then you see just how versatile it is. ;-) GD -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 2 13:37:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgHBF-0004Sg-Sk-0004TC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:37:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgHBF-0004Sg-Sk; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:05:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgHBF-0004Sg-Sk; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:05:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgHBF-0003jz-Gq; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:05:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgHAy-0000Xn-Jb; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:05:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i62659926767 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:05:09 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i62657B26758 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:05:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ppp-225-0-223.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.0.223]:1024 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgHAX-00097A-7M for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:05:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 05:54:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc80502bbdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cc7db5b54Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7db5b54Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cc7db5b54Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > [snip grumpiness] > While we're at it, can I suggest (or remind you) that you should keep a > copy of te original runimage in case whatever you do wrecks the current > one? No you can't. I may be a grumpy old B, but I'm not that daft. ;-) Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 2 13:37:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgHBF-0007T8-GO-0007Ti."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:37:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgHBF-0007T8-GO; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:05:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgHBF-0007T8-GO; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:05:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgHBE-0006nb-T0; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:05:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgHAy-0008Jo-Pj; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:05:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6265E926786 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:05:14 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6265CW26778 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:05:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ppp-225-0-223.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.0.223]:1024 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgHAd-00097A-C3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:05:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:22:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc8078d1bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> <+5VtSZCOBG5AFw2I@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cc7d5a923dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >> *unsqueeze !RunImage > >That doesn't work, I've tried it, how can it? the filer has no idea what > >!RunImage or where it's hiding... Drive 4 or Drive 5... > Yeah well obviously fill in the full path to the !RunImage, and also of > course possibly to unsqueeze too. > >Inside that, in Library there are two files "squeeze" and "xpand". > >Nothing called unsqueeze though. > Yep, quite right. Try 'xpand' instead. > Over the years these things changed name - even within Acorn they > changed. There was also occasionally a special version for unsqueezing > modules. > They do however respond to the -h flag, with help info. Thanks for all the thought folks. I've just tried some more command line antics, and still no unsqueezed Runimage. I think I've wasted enough time on this little project... So I'm off to attend to some business paperwork which I should have been doing anyway. Case closed methinks. Again thanks for the info. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 2 13:37:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgHPK-0004OR-Oh-0004Ou."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:37:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgHPK-0004OR-Oh; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:20:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgHPK-0004OR-Oh; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:20:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgHPK-0002ux-FX; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:20:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgHP6-0003OI-9E; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:20:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i626Jwx29386 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:19:58 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (pD95DBB6C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.93.187.108]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i626Jqk29377 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:19:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BgHOp-0006iy-00 for ; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 08:19:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 08:19:57 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc80cd92asbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4cc8056a9cdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7e5efabsbellon@sbellon.de> <4cc8056a9cdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4cc7e5efabsbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > Dave Symes wrote: > > > Command line, command line! this is the 21st century y'know, not > > > 1983. > > So what? The command line is much more versatile than any GUI. This > > is still true in 2004, you know. > You are in error. Am I? > If you'd said... In certain circumstances, the command line can be > more versatile than the GUI. I'd believe that. I all circumstances that you have to do often. You can do scripting you can repeat commands much quicker than do the same GUI operations over and over again. > You try writing a letter, filling a spreadsheet, touching up a graphic > from the command line, then you see just how versatile it is. ;-) Take a look at my "Diplomarbeit" (German master thesis equivalent) on my home page . It's completely scripted and the whole thing is done in LaTeX despite containing tons of bar diagrams. They are not drawn using a drawing application but are all scripted and generated by a program called "ploticus". The whole thesis is scripted so that I could (and still can) generate an updated one whenever I have new input data. (The whole source to the thesis is open so you can take a look at the build process. You have to download a 160 MB ISO image however). Try to do this with a GUI! The problem is that people are afraid of the command line. I don't understand why. The command line is your friend, not your enemy. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 2 14:47:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgOIE-0001Zz-Ip-0001ac."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:47:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgOIE-0001Zz-Ip; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:41:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgOIE-0001Zz-Ip; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:41:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgOIE-0005RM-MJ; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:41:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgOHx-0003OC-D6; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:41:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i62Dei813752 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:40:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i62Deho13749 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:40:43 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BgOHT-0002G8-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:40:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:03:31 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <+5VtSZCOBG5AFw2I@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Thu 01 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > >So what you are say is, I've got to write stuff at the command line, like > >*Unsqueeze Filepath to !RunImage. > > I think it is just > > *unsqueeze !RunImage > > err, and you've got the latest unsqueeze from Freshen have you? > > -- > David Pilling A quick glance inside my !Freshen.Library reveals 'squeeze' and 'xpand' xpand successfully decompresses !Sprinter.!RunImage for me. Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 2 20:37:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgTqN-00071k-Di-00072A."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:37:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgTqN-00071k-Di; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:37:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgTqN-00071k-Di; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:37:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgTqN-0002rF-1V; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:37:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgTqC-0004np-DD; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:36:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i62Jag301831 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:36:42 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i62Jagc01825 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:36:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-234-199.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.234.199]:1036 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgTpw-0005Kb-0p for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:36:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:08:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc84dae98dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <+5VtSZCOBG5AFw2I@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Stephen Parkin wrote: > In on Thu 01 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > >So what you are say is, I've got to write stuff at the command line, like > > >*Unsqueeze Filepath to !RunImage. > > > > I think it is just > > > > *unsqueeze !RunImage > > > > err, and you've got the latest unsqueeze from Freshen have you? > > > > -- > > David Pilling > A quick glance inside my !Freshen.Library reveals 'squeeze' and 'xpand' > xpand successfully decompresses !Sprinter.!RunImage for me. > Stephen So for.... sake Stephen,before I book myself into the loony bin again, *exactly* what did you write at the.... command line. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 2 20:37:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgTqa-0005OI-QV-0005Og."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:37:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgTqa-0005OI-QV; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:37:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgTqa-0005OI-QV; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:37:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgTqa-0002UR-0K; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:37:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgTqC-0001NR-DB; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:36:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i62Jae201811 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:36:40 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i62Jae801799 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:36:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-234-199.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.234.199]:1036 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgTpt-0005Kb-NG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:36:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:05:37 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc84d742cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cc80cd92asbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7e5efabsbellon@sbellon.de> <4cc8056a9cdfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc80cd92asbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cc80cd92asbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > The problem is that people are afraid of the command line. I don't > understand why. The command line is your friend, not your enemy. Well I ain't afraid 'o no command line, bin using it since, well a long time ago. Hasn't helped me much with this one though, has it. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 2 21:37:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgUkX-00035a-MO-00038Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:37:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgUkX-00035a-MO; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:35:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgUkX-00035a-MO; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:35:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgUkX-0006v3-P4; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:35:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgUk3-0005Is-QR; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:34:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i62KYVs12231 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:34:31 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i62KYV012228 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:34:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BgUjt-0006wA-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:34:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:58:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc82bd8ebJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cc80cd92asbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7e5efabsbellon@sbellon.de> <4cc8056a9cdfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc80cd92asbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cc80cd92asbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > The problem is that people are afraid of the command line. I don't > understand why. The command line is your friend, not your enemy. I agree with Stefan. One of the most important aspects of a command-line, or script-based method is that later on you can see how some effect was achieved - and what's more if there's any complexity the script approach allows you to leave comments explaining what you did & why. Whereas, in a document produced via a GUI there's no way to tell how something was done - you just see the overall result. When something is scripted it is also easy to take copies of it and tweak the script to do something subtly different. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 2 22:37:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgVeX-0001pK-7j-0001pe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:37:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgVeX-0001pK-7j; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:33:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgVeX-0001pK-7j; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:33:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgVeX-0002HG-7B; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:33:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgVeE-0002Ht-QR; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:32:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i62LWMK24598 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:32:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i62LWLL24588 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:32:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BgVds-000Eos-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:32:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:30:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7e5efabsbellon@sbellon.de> <4cc8056a9cdfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc80cd92asbellon@sbellon.de> <4cc82bd8ebJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cc82bd8ebJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I agree with Stefan. One of the most important aspects of a >command-line, or script-based method is that later on you can see how >some effect was achieved - and what's more if there's any complexity It's like the parody by Craig Brown, where the invention of a wonderful thing called "the book" makes the internet obsolete. Want to find the answer? look in "a book", no messing with modems, and www this and that. Despite predating the mouse the command line is remarkably powerful. He goes on to say how word processing was wiped out by the invention of "the typewriter". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 3 15:01:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgkwW-0004km-Sv-0004lv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:01:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgkwW-0004km-Sv; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:52:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgkwW-0004km-Sv; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:52:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgkwW-0005H8-OX; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:52:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgkwA-0000RT-0x; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:52:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i63Dpnj01939 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:51:49 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i63Dpnn01934 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:51:49 +0100 Received: from cluster6 ([172.23.146.57]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:52:03 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster6 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:51:41 +0100 Received: from smtp-in1.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.12]) by cluster6 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:49:12 +0100 Received: from eback03.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.214]) by smtp-in1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:17:41 +0100 Received: from [172.23.164.201] (helo=anti-virus01-08.blueyonder.co.uk) by eback03.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Bg7zq-00015c-BM for goatly@blueyonder.co.uk; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:17:26 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim15.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bg7zp-0004M1-Hs; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:17:25 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bg7zn-0006Oq-Cg; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:17:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i61KH1N19594 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:17:01 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i61KGtv19568 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:16:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-213-202.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.213.202]:1050 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bg7zA-000LQc-E4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:16:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:17:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc7d5a923dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <+5VtSZCOBG5AFw2I@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> <+5VtSZCOBG5AFw2I@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: goatly@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2004 20:17:41.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[76469C60:01C45FA8] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <+5VtSZCOBG5AFw2I@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >So what you are say is, I've got to write stuff at the command line, like > >*Unsqueeze Filepath to !RunImage. > I think it is just > *unsqueeze !RunImage That doesn't work, I've tried it, how can it? the filer has no idea what !RunImage or where it's hiding... Drive 4 or Drive 5... > err, and you've got the latest unsqueeze from Freshen have you? Well I have version 1.07 of Freshen. Inside that, in Library there are two files "squeeze" and "xpand". Nothing called unsqueeze though. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 3 15:01:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bgkwb-0004nK-RX-0004q9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:01:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bgkwb-0004nK-RX; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:52:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bgkwb-0004nK-RX; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:52:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bgkwb-00030P-8f; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:52:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgkwA-0001Hi-92; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:52:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i63Dpnl01936 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:51:49 +0100 Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i63DpnN01922 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:51:49 +0100 Received: from cluster6 ([172.23.146.57]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:52:03 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster6 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:51:36 +0100 Received: from smtp-in2.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.13]) by cluster6 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:48:55 +0100 Received: from eback01.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.212]) by smtp-in2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:17:41 +0100 Received: from [172.23.164.201] (helo=anti-virus01-08.blueyonder.co.uk) by eback01.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Bg7xE-0008FS-TT for john-m-ward@blueyonder.co.uk; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:14:44 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim15.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bg7zp-0004M1-Hs; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:17:25 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bg7zn-0006Oq-Cg; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:17:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i61KH1N19594 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:17:01 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i61KGtv19568 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:16:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-213-202.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.213.202]:1050 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bg7zA-000LQc-E4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:16:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:17:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc7d5a923dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <+5VtSZCOBG5AFw2I@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> <+5VtSZCOBG5AFw2I@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: john-m-ward@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2004 20:17:41.0629 (UTC) FILETIME=[76405AD0:01C45FA8] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <+5VtSZCOBG5AFw2I@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >So what you are say is, I've got to write stuff at the command line, like > >*Unsqueeze Filepath to !RunImage. > I think it is just > *unsqueeze !RunImage That doesn't work, I've tried it, how can it? the filer has no idea what !RunImage or where it's hiding... Drive 4 or Drive 5... > err, and you've got the latest unsqueeze from Freshen have you? Well I have version 1.07 of Freshen. Inside that, in Library there are two files "squeeze" and "xpand". Nothing called unsqueeze though. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 3 15:11:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bgl9W-0007hW-6c-0007i4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:11:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bgl9W-0007hW-6c; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:06:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bgl9W-0007hW-6c; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:06:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bgl9V-0000jE-Qd; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:06:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bgl95-0003Bs-1b; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:05:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i63E5PI04659 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:05:25 +0100 Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i63E5OZ04656 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:05:24 +0100 Received: from cluster6 ([172.23.146.57]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:05:39 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster6 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:05:17 +0100 Received: from smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.15]) by cluster6 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:39:45 +0100 Received: from eback01.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.212]) by smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:03:29 +0100 Received: from [172.23.164.200] (helo=anti-virus01-07.blueyonder.co.uk) by eback01.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Bg8fZ-0005ay-2a for john-m-ward@blueyonder.co.uk; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:00:33 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim9.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bg8fd-0006zn-L3; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:00:37 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bg8i5-0006FH-Uv; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:03:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i61L0dT28468 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:00:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i61L0XC28428 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:00:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bg8fY-000KYU-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:00:32 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:59:08 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter References: <4cc5418722dfs@ukgateway.net> <8abf82c54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cc7583366dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7828fa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc7cc3920dfs@ukgateway.net> <+5VtSZCOBG5AFw2I@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cc7d5a923dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cc7d5a923dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: john-m-ward@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2004 21:03:29.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC567BA0:01C45FAE] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> *unsqueeze !RunImage >That doesn't work, I've tried it, how can it? the filer has no idea what >!RunImage or where it's hiding... Drive 4 or Drive 5... Yeah well obviously fill in the full path to the !RunImage, and also of course possibly to unsqueeze too. >Inside that, in Library there are two files "squeeze" and "xpand". >Nothing called unsqueeze though. Yep, quite right. Try 'xpand' instead. Over the years these things changed name - even within Acorn they changed. There was also occasionally a special version for unsqueezing modules. They do however respond to the -h flag, with help info. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 3 17:21:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgnFU-0006Gn-Se-0006HM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:21:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgnFU-0006Gn-Se; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:20:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgnFU-0006Gn-Se; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:20:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgnFU-0000WC-Lh; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:20:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgnF5-0004Lq-OB; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:19:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i63GJf926630 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:19:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i63GJe126626 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:19:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BgnEn-00075Y-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:19:37 +0100 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:18:19 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4cc84dae98dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Fri 02 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Stephen Parkin wrote: > > In on Thu 01 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > >So what you are say is, I've got to write stuff at the command line, like > > > >*Unsqueeze Filepath to !RunImage. > > > > > > I think it is just > > > > > > *unsqueeze !RunImage > > > > > > err, and you've got the latest unsqueeze from Freshen have you? > > > > > > -- > > > David Pilling > > > A quick glance inside my !Freshen.Library reveals 'squeeze' and 'xpand' > > xpand successfully decompresses !Sprinter.!RunImage for me. > > > Stephen > > So for.... sake Stephen,before I book myself into the loony bin again, > *exactly* what did you write at the.... command line. > > Cheers > Dave S > LOL! To make sure you're using the correct file(s), copy !Sprinter.!RunImage somewhere, eg. into the RamDisc. Then copy !Freshen.Library.xpand to the same place and make that the work directory. For me with RO Select, that's: Menu -> Set work directory Press F12, or in a Task Window, type: xpand !RunImage !RunImage2 Robert's that man you saw in your auntie's bed... Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 7 19:07:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BgoY5-0006T1-4M-0006TV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:07:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BgoY5-0006T1-4M; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:43:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgoY5-0006T1-4M; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:43:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BgoY5-0004mq-4b; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:43:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BgoX5-0001NC-Dr; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 18:42:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i63HgOZ11029 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 18:42:24 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i63HgOi11026 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 18:42:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BgoWu-0000oT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:42:24 +0200 Received: from [62.246.14.7] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BgoWt-0007Cl-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:42:23 +0200 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:38:39 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <65d2cec84c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Stephen Parkin wrote: > To make sure you're using the correct file(s), copy !Sprinter.!RunImage > somewhere, eg. into the RamDisc. Then copy !Freshen.Library.xpand to the > same place and make that the work directory. For me with RO Select, > that's: > > Menu -> Set work directory Non-Select owners type: dir RAM::RamDisc0.$ (not much point in using the GUI to do a command-line-specific thing just before having to use the command-line anyway) Then, as Stephen wrote, type: xpand !RunImage !RunImage2 This will leave you with the unsqueezed file !RunImage2 Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 7 19:07:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bgq6F-0005Kh-Is-0005LG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:07:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bgq6F-0005Kh-Is; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:23:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bgq6F-0005Kh-Is; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:22:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bgq6F-0006Hh-LJ; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:22:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bgq5p-0001xB-Vl; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:22:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i63JMLg30151 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:22:21 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i63JMIe30136 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:22:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-232-60.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.232.60]:2487 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bgq5Y-000NbG-JX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:22:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:57:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc8d5ff86dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4cc84dae98dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Stephen Parkin wrote: > In on Fri 02 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > > > > So for.... sake Stephen,before I book myself into the loony bin again, > > *exactly* what did you write at the.... command line. > > > > Cheers > > Dave S > > > LOL! > To make sure you're using the correct file(s), copy !Sprinter.!RunImage > somewhere, eg. into the RamDisc. Then copy !Freshen.Library.xpand to the > same place and make that the work directory. For me with RO Select, > that's: > Menu -> Set work directory > Press F12, or in a Task Window, type: xpand !RunImage !RunImage2 > Robert's that man you saw in your auntie's bed... > Stephen Stephen, You really can't have expected me to do something that simple, all by my self, now can you. ;-) I was trying with the full pathnames to xpand and !Runimage, and a variety of other things. Anyway thanks, your method worked. Then did a search and replace. Removed the 2 from the file name. stuck it in a copy of SPrinter, then after modifying the Sprinter !Run file, It all worked a spiffin treat. And as you mentioned. Robert in Aunties bed. Cheers Dave S PS: Why does anyone bother Crunching/Squeezing files thes days? -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 7 19:07:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bgq6J-0004Dl-NE-0004E9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:07:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bgq6J-0004Dl-NE; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:23:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bgq6J-0004Dl-NE; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:23:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bgq6J-0006iI-0w; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:23:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bgq5p-0003ji-N6; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:22:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i63JMMI30158 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:22:22 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i63JMKm30150 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:22:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-232-60.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.232.60]:2487 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bgq5b-000NbG-D6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:22:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:01:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter Message-ID: <4cc8d664b1dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <65d2cec84c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <65d2cec84c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <65d2cec84c.martin@bach.mw-software.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Stephen Parkin wrote: > > To make sure you're using the correct file(s), copy > > !Sprinter.!RunImage somewhere, eg. into the RamDisc. Then copy > > !Freshen.Library.xpand to the same place and make that the work > > directory. For me with RO Select, that's: > > > > Menu -> Set work directory > Non-Select owners type: dir RAM::RamDisc0.$ > (not much point in using the GUI to do a command-line-specific thing just > before having to use the command-line anyway) > Then, as Stephen wrote, type: xpand !RunImage !RunImage2 > This will leave you with the unsqueezed file !RunImage2 > Martin As a protest, I refused to do f12 So there. Used a Zap Task window instead... So there. ;-)))) Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 7 19:07:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BhA98-0002Wx-NJ-0002XM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:07:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BhA98-0002Wx-NJ; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:47:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BhA98-0002Wx-NJ; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:47:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BhA98-0000G2-22; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:47:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BhA8p-0000bE-FC; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 17:46:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i64GkW917009 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:46:32 +0100 Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i64GkWu17005 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:46:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-35.bromine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.33.35] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BhA8M-0007V4-QJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 17:46:31 +0100 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 17:40:06 +0100 From: John To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: <084c4dc94c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 Subject: [softwarelist] Recent Postings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Since upgrading spamstamp last tuesday. I have received no postings on this news group. Has everything gone quiet or have i mucked something up? -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, "phone" 01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercyNOSPAM@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, (remove NOSPAM) Riscstation Lite+. Risc OS 4.03 boot 1.03. Messenger Pro. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 7 19:07:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BhART-0000Yp-5l-0000ZS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:07:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BhART-0000Yp-5l; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 17:06:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BhART-0000Yp-5l; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 17:06:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BhART-0003TU-GN; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 17:06:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BhAQk-0004LO-3P; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 18:05:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i64H5FY20356 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 18:05:15 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i64H5FB20344 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 18:05:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BhAQU-00025D-0Z; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 18:05:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 18:04:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Recent Postings Message-ID: <4cc94f8797Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <084c4dc94c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> References: <084c4dc94c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <084c4dc94c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk>, John wrote: > Since upgrading spamstamp last tuesday. I have received no postings > on this news group. This is a mailing list, not a newsgroup. I don't think spamstamp is normally used to process news postings? > Has everything gone quiet or have i mucked something up? The latter I think; there's been 20 (ish) messages here. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 7 19:07:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BhajL-0001co-4K-0001dF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:07:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BhajL-0001co-4K; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:10:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BhajL-0001co-4K; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:10:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BhajL-0004SP-3k; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:10:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bhaib-0001YE-FD; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:09:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i65L98l25499 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:09:08 +0100 Received: from mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (mta09-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.49]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i65L97V25492 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:09:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([81.110.160.151]) by mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040705210026.OCQH27224.mta09-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:00:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:53:04 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Recent Postings To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4cc94f8797Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sun 04 Jul, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <084c4dc94c.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk>, > John wrote: > > Since upgrading spamstamp last tuesday. I have received no postings > > on this news group. > > This is a mailing list, not a newsgroup. I don't think spamstamp is > normally used to process news postings? > > > Has everything gone quiet or have i mucked something up? > > The latter I think; there's been 20 (ish) messages here. > Also since upgrading SpamStamp I have found a few posts to this mailing list marked as spam and stored in the spam bin, thankfully the [softwarelist] in teh subject made identifying them easy. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 7 19:07:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bhcb6-0003mv-KJ-0003nd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:07:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bhcb6-0003mv-KJ; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:10:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bhcb6-0003mv-KJ; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:10:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bhcb6-0007nN-31; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:10:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bhcap-000540-8u; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:09:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i65N9VI14681 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:09:31 +0100 Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz (bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i65N9Uo14672 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:09:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (smtp-1a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.194]) by linda-1.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0I0E00644IZQLL@linda-1.paradise.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:09:28 +1200 (NZST) Received: from eyewear.paradise.net.nz (203-96-156-161.tnt6.paradise.net.nz [203.96.156.161]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56ACA8279E for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:09:25 +1200 (NZST) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:49:52 +1200 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] OPro Toolbar Scrolling Request To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear David :)) A sideways scroll on the toolbar (when not all the bar is visible) is initiated with the pointer in a small part near the edge of the window. The area is a little too small for me. Does anyone else find this has a slow-down effect on their work in OP? Could you increase the size of it? Say, if a toolbar icon is partially hidden, start a scroll when the pointer arrives on that icon. I guess that means increase that 'scrollable area' to almost the full width of an icon. Bri OP 2.74 -- Brian Adam Auckland NEW ZEALAND -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 7 23:27:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BiKqh-0001WV-BJ-0001X8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:27:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BiKqh-0001WV-BJ; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:25:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BiKqh-0001WV-BJ; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:25:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BiKqh-00064m-Al; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:25:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BiKq7-0002Hb-Of; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:24:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i67MO2W25769 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:24:02 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i67MO1725762 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:24:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BiKpd-0007aJ-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:24:01 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:22:52 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter References: <4cc84dae98dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cc8d5ff86dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cc8d5ff86dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >PS: Why does anyone bother Crunching/Squeezing files thes days? ...because we always have done. I guess there's not much reason left. squeeze will pack ARM code slightly better than zip so there's some saving there. It's really just for the benefit of those with old technology - small discs, slow computers and dial up connectivity. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 7 23:27:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BiKrO-0006cz-7u-0006dN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:27:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BiKrO-0006cz-7u; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:25:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BiKrO-0006cz-7u; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:25:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BiKrO-0006Sz-8N; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:25:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BiKr3-00031D-D1; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:25:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i67MPMQ26060 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:25:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i67MPMJ26056 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:25:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BiKqw-0007gc-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:25:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:24:01 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Toolbar Scrolling Request References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I guess that means increase that 'scrollable area' to almost the full >width of an icon. not a bad idea, although the present size has not posed me problems. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 7 23:47:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BiL41-0000Sh-BB-0000TC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:47:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BiL41-0000Sh-BB; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:38:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BiL41-0000Sh-BB; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:38:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BiL41-0000zx-9s; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:38:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BiL3k-0007rh-DT; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:38:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i67McQZ28299 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:38:26 +0100 Received: from hnexfe08.hetnet.nl (hnexfe08.hetnet.nl [195.121.6.174]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i67McP428292 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:38:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omega ([80.60.38.201]) by hnexfe08.hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6874); Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:38:25 +0200 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:36:54 +0200 From: Frits Polak To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Toolbar Scrolling Request Message-ID: <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2004 22:38:25.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D935CF0:01C46473] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> brian wrote: > Dear David :)) > > A sideways scroll on the toolbar (when not all the bar is visible) is > initiated with the pointer in a small part near the edge of the window. > The area is a little too small for me. Does anyone else find this has a > slow-down effect on their work in OP? > > Could you increase the size of it? Say, if a toolbar icon is partially > hidden, start a scroll when the pointer arrives on that icon. > > I guess that means increase that 'scrollable area' to almost the full > width of an icon. > > > Bri > OP 2.74 > That seems a very good idea! Cheers, Frits -- Frits Polak Abcoude The Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 8 01:27:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BiMf2-0003Ys-Sa-0003ZI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:27:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BiMf2-0003Ys-Sa; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:21:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BiMf2-0003Ys-Sa; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:21:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BiMf2-0004sv-LA; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:21:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BiMeJ-0002dl-T1; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:20:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i680KCe11427 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:20:12 +0100 Received: from linda-2.paradise.net.nz (bm-2a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i680KBu11422 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:20:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (smtp-2b.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.211]) by linda-2.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0I0I00CIOBLKLP@linda-2.paradise.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:20:09 +1200 (NZST) Received: from eyewear.paradise.net.nz (203-96-156-99.tnt6.paradise.net.nz [203.96.156.99]) by smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BF09E498 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:20:07 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:20:28 +1200 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Toolbar Scrolling Request In-reply-to: <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) As Sendu has expressed elsewhere (the Merlin list), I'm for getting rid of the need to carefully aim for something every time. This article refered to by Rich Cheng on that list who wrote: > Although I see your point about the difference between clicking on or > near an icon, it should be noted that the request is not about being > *unable* to click/drop files on an icon. It's about how quickly you can > do so. > See the link below for a more thorough explanation of why Sendu's wish > would be A Good Thing: Quiz ... 1. Microsoft Toolbars offer the user the option of displaying a label below each tool. Name at least one reason why labeled tools can be accessed faster. (Assume, for this, that the user knows the tool and does not need the label just simply to identify the tool.) 2. You have a palette of tools in a graphics application that consists of a matrix of 16x16-pixel icons laid out as a 2x8 array that lies along the left-hand edge of the screen. Without moving the array from the left-hand side of the screen or changing the size of the icons, what steps can you take to decrease the time necessary to access the average tool? and (OT) an interesting one considering RO's context-sensitive menus 3. A right-handed user is known to be within 10 pixels of the exact center of a large, 1600 X 1200 screen. You will place a single-pixel target on the screen that the user must point to exactly. List the five pixel locations on the screen that the user can access fastest. For extra credit, list them in order from fastest to slowest access... Brian -- Brian Adam Auckland NEW ZEALAND -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 8 02:07:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BiNJa-0004Go-QK-0004H4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:07:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BiNJa-0004Go-QK; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:03:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BiNJa-0004Go-QK; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:03:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BiNJZ-0005Ux-OU; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:03:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BiNJJ-00040p-1L; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:02:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6812f719904 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:02:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6812eO19900 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:02:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BiNJ9-00074A-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:02:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:59:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Toolbar Scrolling Request Message-ID: <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz>, brian wrote: > A right-handed user is known to be within 10 pixels of the exact > center of a large, 1600 X 1200 screen. You will place a single-pixel > target on the screen that the user must point to exactly. List the > five pixel locations on the screen that the user can access fastest. I guess that where the pointer is now is the fastest (no change required). The other four must be the corners. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 21 23:03:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnP7d-0001Eq-L5-0001Fh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:03:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnP7d-0001Eq-L5; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:59:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnP7d-0001Eq-L5; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:59:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnP7d-0007AR-Ag; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:59:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnP61-0000ws-8I; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:57:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6LLudh12482 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:56:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6LLucm12479 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:56:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BnP4n-00001h-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:56:37 +0100 Message-ID: <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:55:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, It seems to me that the last update to Ovation Pro for Windows stopped the graphics filters from working (that's the version you are using unless you got the one that appeared today). There are two possible fixes, either new filters or a new Ovation Pro. As it happens both are now available. The trivial cause was switching over to .aff as the preferred extension for Acorn Draw files on Windows. There are too many other programs that produce .drw files. Think of AFF as Acorn draw File Format. The new filter pack has in addition various bug fixes and enhancements. Filters are supplied for TIFF, GIF, PCX and PNG graphics files, and for Impression DDF (.ddf) and Impression document files (.imp). Unless you want to use these filters there's nothing new about the Ovation Pro. The above are available from; http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html Note that the name of the Ovation Pro for Windows installer has changed, it is now ovnproi.exe, an extra 'i'. That is to prevent clashes with the name of the main Ovation Pro executable. Somewhat shamefacedly I also have to report that you can now buy a registration code for Ovation Pro from the above web page. Signing up for this gives you a code that unlocks the time out on Windows copies of Ovation Pro. One fine day when I complete the program you'll also get a CD. The reason for taking this decision, is that there are things which I either don't want to just give away or can't. But on the other hand I don't want to wait months longer before making them available. Delay is likely to encourage people to find their own solutions. The first thing that registration gets you access to is the former Beebug, Desktop Thesaurus. Again it is on the above web page. To use it you will need the latest (July) version of Ovation Pro for Windows. Other resources that require registration will follow. However free access to the main Ovation Pro program will continue. So you can carry on as before and I'd be perfectly happy if you did. Just to underline that, I can envisage that it may be another year before I declare the program complete, that is the risk you're taking if you buy the registration code today. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 22 13:39:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnWRh-0001HM-An-0001Hp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:39:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnWRh-0001HM-An; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:48:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnWRh-0001HM-An; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:48:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnWRh-0000me-5N; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:48:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnWRM-0007W5-9C; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:48:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6M5lt622827 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:47:55 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6M5lnn22810 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:47:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-234-107.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.234.107]:1068 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnWQR-000JE8-Dk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:47:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:47:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: <4cd25690dadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Somewhat shamefacedly I also have to report that you can now buy a > registration code for Ovation Pro from the above web page. Signing up > for this gives you a code that unlocks the time out on Windows copies of > Ovation Pro. One fine day when I complete the program you'll also get a > CD. Most excellent news David. My lolly is on the way. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 22 13:39:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnWnA-0000aY-H1-0000bo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:39:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnWnA-0000aY-H1; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:10:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnWnA-0000aY-H1; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:10:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnWnA-0003IM-37; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:10:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnWma-0007Lb-Hv; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:10:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6M6A6C26451 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:10:06 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6M6A6s26448 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:10:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-234-107.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.234.107]:1183 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnWmK-000Onc-VZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:10:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:10:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: <4cd258a94fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cd25690dadfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cd25690dadfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 22 Jul, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > In article <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > Somewhat shamefacedly I also have to report that you can now buy a > > registration code for Ovation Pro from the above web page. Signing up > > for this gives you a code that unlocks the time out on Windows copies > > of Ovation Pro. One fine day when I complete the program you'll also > > get a CD. > Most excellent news David. > My lolly is on the way. > Cheers > Dave S That said... There is a problem with the box to enter your RO OvPro registration number. It'll only allow 4 digits, and my number is 5 long. I removed the leading 0 and that went in okay... Well It seemed to, time will tell. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 22 13:39:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnZPP-0001uA-GT-0001uw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:39:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnZPP-0001uA-GT; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:58:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnZPP-0001uA-GT; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:58:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnZPO-0000Kc-Oz; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:58:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnZOw-0002NE-Rl; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:58:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6M8vrS01211 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:57:53 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6M8vqR01205 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:57:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6M8vnRc003471 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:57:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:57:48 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > The trivial cause was switching over to .aff as the preferred extension > for Acorn Draw files on Windows. There are too many other programs that > produce .drw files. Think of AFF as Acorn draw File Format. > You've probably had this discussion before but... The windows file extension site :- http://www.icdatamaster.com/ lists .aff as a ispell affixes definition file. Probably not too likely to clash. Interestingly though it lists .draw as "Acorn's object-based format : Vector graphics" http://filext.com/ also lists .draw, but doesn't really give a use for .aff Xara uses both .drw and .aff for draw files so I guess you have gone the right way. I wonder where the .draw extension has come from and what software uses it. Maybe you should "register" .aff with one or both of the above sites. I don't know how official they are, but they come quite high when googling for file extensions. > Somewhat shamefacedly I also have to report that you can now buy a > registration code for Ovation Pro from the above web page. About time you started getting some recompense for your work. Just duck as you get all the brickbats about the price being "Too high for us long suffering Acorn users" or "Too low for such an amazing piece of software" ;-) - looks about right to me and I will order my copy in the fullness of time. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 22 18:49:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnhaT-0007MO-QD-0007NC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:49:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnhaT-0007MO-QD; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:42:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnhaT-0007MO-QD; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:42:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnhaS-0001La-Q7; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:42:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bnha7-0001Nb-5N; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:42:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6MHfQK28239 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:41:26 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6MHfG128205 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:41:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-214-30.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.214.30]:1074 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnhZ6-000HRs-Pn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:41:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:40:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: <4cd297e487dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , wrote: > > The trivial cause was switching over to .aff as the preferred > > extension for Acorn Draw files on Windows. There are too many other > > programs that produce .drw files. Think of AFF as Acorn draw File > > Format. > > [Snip] > I wonder where the .draw extension has come from and what software > uses it. > Maybe you should "register" .aff with one or both of the above sites. > I don't know how official they are, but they come quite high when > googling for file extensions. [Snip] > Andy Ling [Snip] A PC Vector graphics app called AspexDraw, accepts drawfiles with an .aff extension. Must confess I've not tried it with .draw, but the next time I wind up the MS-PC I'll see what happens. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 22 22:29:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bnl3n-0001nj-4r-0001pJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:29:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bnl3n-0001nj-4r; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:25:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bnl3n-0001nj-4r; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:25:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bnl3n-00034l-AF; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:25:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bnl3L-0001Cz-7Y; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:24:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6MLOF005822 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:24:15 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6MLOFg05819 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:24:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bnl30-000KN0-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:24:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:22:59 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] importing Word files MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: charles hope I'm sure that in the past I used to be able to save an RTF out of a Word document and then inport to OvPro with all the formatting and font data intact. This doesn't seem to work any more. All I get is an error message saying that its an RTF filetype and it display all the formatting info as text. Has anyone any idea waht might have gone wrong/got lost? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 22 22:39:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnlCc-0005FX-Il-0005GC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:39:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnlCc-0005FX-Il; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:34:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnlCc-0005FX-Il; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:34:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnlCc-0002kT-Kq; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:34:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnlCK-0004TV-3Z; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:33:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6MLXgc08094 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:33:42 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6MLXgR08091 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:33:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BnlC9-0005kx-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:33:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:32:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] importing Word files References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >This doesn't seem to work any more. All I get is an error message >saying that its an RTF filetype and it display all the formatting info >as text. The TransRTF filter has to be visible. ISTR it is necessary to drag the RTF file to the OP icon bar icon. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 22 22:49:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnlJF-0006RM-Ej-0006Ru."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:49:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnlJF-0006RM-Ej; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:41:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnlJF-0006RM-Ej; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:41:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnlJF-0003wh-CC; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:41:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnlIo-00028s-M2; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:40:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6MLeRj09591 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:40:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6MLeR209587 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:40:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BnlIg-000FC1-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:40:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:39:26 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news References: <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Maybe you should "register" .aff with one or both of the above sites. >I don't know how official they are, but they come quite high when >googling for file extensions. Hmm. when I looked into it, it seemed every vector drawing program used .drw. It's interesting to me that there is not more upset over extensions, given there appears to be no central authority. I've never head of anyone suing over someone else using their extension. Surely there must have been clashes over the years. >Just duck as you get all the brickbats about the price being >"Too high for us long suffering Acorn users" or "Too low for >such an amazing piece of software" ;-) - Yes, well, that announcement means the price is fixed, and on past form I'll be sticking with it. Had the program been finished a year or two back it would have been lower. In passing, I've emailed out all orders received. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 13:46:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnvTK-0006fH-A8-0006g5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnvTK-0006fH-A8; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:32:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnvTK-0006fH-A8; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:32:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnvTJ-0003uT-V3; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:32:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnvT1-0005C3-Oh; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:31:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6N8VDC01112 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:31:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6N8VDP01108 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:31:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BnvSS-0000Xw-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:31:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:31:08 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > The trivial cause was switching over to .aff as the preferred extension > for Acorn Draw files on Windows. There are too many other programs that > produce .drw files. Think of AFF as Acorn draw File Format. Can you make ot cope with ,aff too ? (that is - "comma aff") This would allow those who work with Acorn/Windows versions to swap files via network (Lanman98 or LanManFS 2 or those using Virtual Acorn) without having to rename files. Likewise ,b27 etc. > Filters are supplied for TIFF, GIF, PCX and PNG graphics files, and for > Impression DDF (.ddf) and Impression document files (.imp). Likewise can it *please* cope with ,bc5 so that Impdocs can simply be opened rather than renamed first. Indeed any Acorn files(types) it understands cope with "comma hex filetype" endings. > Note that the name of the Ovation Pro for Windows installer has changed, > it is now ovnproi.exe, an extra 'i'. That is to prevent clashes with the > name of the main Ovation Pro executable. You are allowed to use longer filenames nowadays ;-) OvationProInstaller.exe - yes I know it's hard to break away from old habits - short filenames/no spaces etc. > Somewhat shamefacedly I also have to report that you can now buy a > registration code for Ovation Pro from the above web page. That's good news, at work we have a site license for RISC OS version but virtually no Acorns left. What would the price be to convert that to Windows version ? Have you considered getting the demo version on thick PC mag (PCW/Shopper etc.) cover CDs - or don't you consider it finished enough yet ? -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 13:46:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnvWY-0007U7-Im-0007Ud."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnvWY-0007U7-Im; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:35:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnvWY-0007U7-Im; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:35:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnvWY-0005Uv-Lh; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:35:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnvW0-00080a-Ct; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:34:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6N8YeM01948 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:34:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6N8YdL01943 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:34:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BnvVn-00015R-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:34:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:34:33 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Make local Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Is it possible to use "Make local" on a frame which is part of a linked chain ? I had a file which had master page linked frames and wanted to make one frame local (maintaining flow) but couldn't. However by editting a ddl copy of the file I achieved what I wanted. Would allowing "Make local" under those circumstances be dangerous ? -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 13:46:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnxD0-0007CF-H6-0007Cy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnxD0-0007CF-H6; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:23:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnxD0-0007CF-H6; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:23:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnxD0-0005a2-2p; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:23:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnxCf-0000iF-KM; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:23:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NAMIU32251 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:22:18 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NAMI332241 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:22:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BnxBx-0005it-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:22:17 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.21] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BnxBx-0005Zn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:22:17 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:21:46 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Tim Howarth wrote: > Can you make ot cope with ,aff too ? > > (that is - "comma aff") > > This would allow those who work with Acorn/Windows versions to swap > files via network (Lanman98 or LanManFS 2 or those using Virtual Acorn) > without having to rename files. > > Likewise ,b27 etc. No, that is not the way to do it. The way to do it is to have the DOS extensions in your RISC OS MimeMap, which will prevent those comma extensions from being added in the first place. Then, you have the best of both worlds: Proper filenames on the Windows side AND correct file types on the Acorn side. For example, check what happens when you save a text file with the name "test/txt" from RISC OS. It will be named "test.txt" under Windows as should be, NOT "test.txt,fff". This is with LanMan98 from RISC OS and this is how it should work. Not sure about HostFS, but if it does not do it this way, it is HostFS which needs to be changed. Otherwise you would have to request each and every PC application that accepts text files to be changed to accept ,fff files instead of .txt. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 13:46:12 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bny60-0001Fa-HU-0001GH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bny60-0001Fa-HU; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:20:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bny60-0001Fa-HU; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:20:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bny60-0000Jn-2c; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:20:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bny5S-0006IR-FF; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:19:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NBJMw16280 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:19:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NBJM716272 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:19:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bny5B-00055K-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:19:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:19:19 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Tim Howarth wrote: > > > Can you make it cope with ,aff too ? > > No, that is not the way to do it. > > For example, check what happens when you save a text file with the name > "test/txt" from RISC OS. To make this work all files from RISC OS would have to be saved to PC with added /aff extension. i.e. they would need renaming in RISC OS. With old Impression docs that isn't good/possible because of the 10 char filename limitation. (If you save a text file named "text" you get text,fff) > This is with LanMan98 from RISC OS and this is how it should work. Not > sure about HostFS, Should be the same, I spent ages getting Graeme to match LanMan98's behaviour. > Otherwise you would have to request each and every PC application that > accepts text files to be changed to accept ,fff files instead of .txt. This is a specific Acorn program which could handle known types this way (maye offer to add a proper extension on saving, or rename on opening). (Personal reason being, we have thousands of Impression docs on Windows servers and an easy way of opening them from Windows would be handy. - I could easily script a rename of them all from ,bc5 to .imp but that would break Impression on the odd RISC OS machine we still have, unless names are very short.) -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 14:15:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnzmW-0002Os-Rs-0002Pa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:15:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnzmW-0002Os-Rs; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:08:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnzmW-0002Os-Rs; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:08:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnzmW-0001iW-C7; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:08:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnzmC-0004wb-C8; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:07:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6ND7cx15350 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:07:38 +0100 Received: from mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.139]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6ND7ci15344 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:07:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778C2133F32 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:02:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12305-01-10 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:02:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from MartinRPC (unknown [81.168.120.7]) by mra04.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA583133EE6 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:02:23 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:06:56 +0100 From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Martin Wuerthner wrote Not sure about HostFS, but if it does not do it > this way, it is HostFS which needs to be changed. HostFS works exactly the same way - I think HostFS networking is largely based on LanMan98. -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 14:25:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bnzu5-0000la-98-0000mT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:25:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bnzu5-0000la-98; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:16:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bnzu5-0000la-98; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:16:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bnzu5-0000GN-Iy; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:16:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bnztt-0007Qh-Mg; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:15:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NDFeg17621 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:15:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NDFeI17618 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:15:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bnztj-000Fey-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:15:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:14:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Can you make ot cope with ,aff too ? Perhaps. I sympathise, because my RISC OS machines produce useless file names on Windows too. As Martin says there's probably a way around it, if you have the patience to set things up correctly [1] This reminds me that someone gave me an archive of a book they'd written using Ovation (mark 1) some years back. They no longer had any Acorns and they wanted to do more work on the book. Anyway, I found an absolutely brilliant rename program for RISC OS, which added all the correct extensions to the files - they had many Ovation docs, graphics files etc. etc. >You are allowed to use longer filenames nowadays ;-) What about DOS users? >That's good news, at work we have a site license for RISC OS version but >virtually no Acorns left. >What would the price be to convert that to Windows version ? Same as the single user upgrade - 60 pounds. >Have you considered getting the demo version on thick PC mag >(PCW/Shopper etc.) cover CDs - or don't you consider it finished enough >yet ? It is not finished enough yet. I dread the mainstream PC community getting hold of it and tearing it to bits. One obvious reason why they'd do that, is they've not read the manual - since I've not finished the manual for Windows. [1] great idea for a piece of software, something which sets up Mime map etc. correctly. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 14:25:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BnzvK-0001Uc-7z-0001V8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:25:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BnzvK-0001Uc-7z; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:17:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnzvK-0001Uc-7z; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:17:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BnzvK-0005pw-8S; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:17:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bnzv6-0005bp-C0; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:17:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NDH1Z17939 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:17:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NDH0W17932 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:17:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bnzv2-000ORQ-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:17:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:15:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] importing Word files References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > The TransRTF filter has to be visible. ISTR it is necessary to drag the > RTF file to the OP icon bar icon. Thanks that worked. Is there any way of OvPro knowing about the filter automatically rather than my having to open the main directory & then open Filters? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 14:26:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bnzxy-00013h-Ax-00014A."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:26:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bnzxy-00013h-Ax; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:20:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bnzxy-00013h-Ax; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:20:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bnzxy-0002Dj-4S; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:20:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnzxV-0006at-I0; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:19:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NDJSu18618 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:19:28 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NDJRP18611 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:19:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=54584 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnzxP-0004S8-BM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:19:27 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55547 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BnzxM-0007Ij-LU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:19:24 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c470c0$92ec54d0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:18:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, July 23, 2004 12:19, Tim Howarth wrote: > To make this work all files from RISC OS would have to be saved to PC > with added /aff extension. > > i.e. they would need renaming in RISC OS. > > With old Impression docs that isn't good/possible because of the 10 > char filename limitation. > > (If you save a text file named "text" you get text,fff) > >> This is with LanMan98 from RISC OS and this is how it should work. >> Not sure about HostFS, > > Should be the same, I spent ages getting Graeme to match LanMan98's > behaviour. HostFS in Redsquirrel (and the commercial emulators) works very well. When you extend the default extensions yourself. For *new* files - or when you re-save a file. Or when you copy (within RedSquirrel) to another folder. What already has a bad extension, isn't changed 'automatically', when you add an extension to HostFS. The bad extensions like ,fff or ,b27 -only seen from the windows side- remain unaltered. In RS you can't see, how it looks in windows. In RS there is no need to add /xxx. You can get even worse results, when you do that. Things like .txt,fff .... in windows Or !run files named !run/oby -which of course don't run anymore- in the emulator. So, when you add extensions to HostFS as listed in the Help of OPW like .b27 or .dpd and so on (note period, not comma), 1) all NEW OP docs created in the emulator get the correct extension for use on the windows side and remain OK for use inside the emulator (no windows extension, no /xxx) 2)all OPW docs, created in the windows version -which contain .dpd extension by default- are seen within the emulator without the .dpd but with the OP filetype. Hence can happily be opened and so on within the emulator. BTW From inside RS you can even open an OP doc in the windows version of OP by issuing the command *Hostopen from the CLI. Or send it -via OPW- to a windows printer with *Hostprint ... > (Personal reason being, we have thousands of Impression docs on > Windows servers and an easy way of opening them from Windows would be > handy. - I could easily script a rename of them all from ,bc5 to .imp > but that would break Impression on the odd RISC OS machine we still > have, unless names are very short.) I think with proper care the .imp extension would be invisible (not existing and not taken into account) inside RISC OS. So you would still have the same short filenames *in RISC OS* as you had from the beginning. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 14:26:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bo00f-00027H-6I-00027v."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:26:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bo00f-00027H-6I; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:22:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo00f-00027H-6I; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:22:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo00f-0000HG-Lx; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:22:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bo00L-0000Ar-DU; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:22:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NDMOc19532 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:22:24 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NDMN419528 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:22:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6NDMKqm026632 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:22:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:22:14 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >You are allowed to use longer filenames nowadays ;-) > > What about DOS users? > You mean OvPro for WINDOWS runs on DOS ;-) I've got a multi- user CPM Rare Black Box somewhere. Can I use it on that too? Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 14:35:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bo07i-0003WU-LB-0003Xy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bo07i-0003WU-LB; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:30:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo07i-0003WU-LB; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:30:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo07i-0003Cr-Bt; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:30:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bo07X-0000hX-Po; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:29:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NDTo921728 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:29:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NDToA21724 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:29:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bo07R-0000aK-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:29:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:29:46 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: <3ec104d34c.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <000f01c470c0$92ec54d0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000f01c470c0$92ec54d0$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <000f01c470c0$92ec54d0$6502a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > On Friday, July 23, 2004 12:19, > Tim Howarth wrote: > > > (Personal reason being, we have thousands of Impression docs on > > Windows servers and an easy way of opening them from Windows would be > > handy. - I could easily script a rename of them all from ,bc5 to .imp > > but that would break Impression on the odd RISC OS machine we still > > have, unless names are very short.) > > > I think with proper care the .imp extension would be invisible (not existing > and not taken into account) inside RISC OS. So you would still have the same > short filenames *in RISC OS* as you had from the beginning. I don't think so with Lanman98 - at one stage HostFS did work this way (and may still be configurable to do so). -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 14:46:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bo0E5-0001DF-H7-0001E7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:46:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bo0E5-0001DF-H7; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:36:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0E5-0001DF-H7; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:36:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0E5-0003YO-1q; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:36:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bo0DQ-0001zw-Qi; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:36:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NDZt523263 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:55 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NDZsv23259 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bo0DK-000Ioh-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:35:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:34:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> What about DOS users? >You mean OvPro for WINDOWS runs on DOS ;-) I've got a multi- >user CPM Rare Black Box somewhere. Can I use it on that too? Since Adobe etc. have neglected the CP/M user maybe so. The point is that there's always someone using old stuff. Perhaps just as a filing system. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 14:46:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bo0FD-00042D-OX-000432."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:46:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bo0FD-00042D-OX; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0FD-00042D-OX; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0FD-000456-Ck; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bo0Eh-0002zb-OQ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:37:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NDbG323578 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:37:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NDbFo23570 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:37:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bo0Ed-000J1R-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:36:14 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] importing Word files References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is there any way of OvPro knowing about the filter automatically rather >than my having to open the main directory & then open Filters? Well you can add a Filer_Boot line to your desktop boot file, or put the filter in the same place as !Fonts. Or not recommended but effective, stick the filter in !OvnPro.Applets. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 14:56:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bo0NV-0000Ff-5H-0000GL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:56:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bo0NV-0000Ff-5H; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0NV-0000Ff-5H; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0NV-0002KV-9b; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bo0N6-00026V-Gm; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:46:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NDjfE26004 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:45:41 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NDjel25999 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:45:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-127-218.teleos-web.de [213.182.127.218]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CC0B28093D for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:42:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:45:29 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 23 Jul 2004 15:42:25 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:42:24 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: <61e905d34c.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: [snip] > [1] great idea for a piece of software, something which sets up Mime map > etc. correctly. > IMHO and in this day and age, I think the !Boot or !Run of an app. should care for at least the files it creates and maybe also for the files it edits/knows. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 14:56:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bo0Nu-0005Nu-Jf-0005OZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:56:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bo0Nu-0005Nu-Jf; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0Nu-0005Nu-Jf; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0Nt-00037q-QW; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:46:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bo0Na-0003wb-IV; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:46:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NDkR226228 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:46:27 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NDkRK26224 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:46:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-127-218.teleos-web.de [213.182.127.218]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CCBD5221D4E for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:45:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:48:11 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 23 Jul 2004 15:45:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:45:07 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: [snip] > >Have you considered getting the demo version on thick PC mag > >(PCW/Shopper etc.) cover CDs - or don't you consider it finished enough > >yet ? > I'd put it on tucows and the like, the rest will follow (its their job anyway). Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 14:56:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bo0QF-0002bT-Sf-0002c4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:56:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bo0QF-0002bT-Sf; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:49:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0QF-0002bT-Sf; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:49:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0QF-0006fo-Mj; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:49:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bo0Q5-0004yV-C8; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:49:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NDn2v26873 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:49:02 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NDn1U26869 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:49:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-127-218.teleos-web.de [213.182.127.218]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0371A252FA1 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:49:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:51:54 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 23 Jul 2004 15:48:50 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:48:50 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: [snip] > It is not finished enough yet. I dread the mainstream PC community > getting hold of it and tearing it to bits. One obvious reason why they'd > do that, is they've not read the manual - since I've not finished the > manual for Windows. > Just set up a forum and let them sort themselves out. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 15:16:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bo0js-0006Te-Qh-0006UR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:16:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bo0js-0006Te-Qh; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:09:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0js-0006Te-Qh; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:09:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo0js-0002Qa-2l; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:09:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bo0jc-0006yu-7o; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:09:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NE99S01093 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:09:09 +0100 Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NE98d01085 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:09:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6NE94NR012650 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:09:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:08:59 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: [snip] > It is not finished enough yet. I dread the mainstream PC community > getting hold of it and tearing it to bits. One obvious reason why they'd > do that, is they've not read the manual - since I've not finished the > manual for Windows. It really needs to be a bit more "Windows Friendly" too. Things like :- Tooltips Remembering window position & size Better handling of the toolboxes (The box at the bottom often gets in the way of the horizontal scroll bar) Add a "?" icon to do the "Help what's this" function Add new & open icons to default button bar This is just a quick list and probably not that good a one, but it will be stupid things that people will complain about rather than praising the good things. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 23 18:56:12 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bo49I-0006VD-KX-0006Vg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:56:12 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bo49I-0006VD-KX; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:48:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo49I-0006VD-KX; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:48:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo49I-0002vt-5e; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:48:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bo48r-0004eL-Fj; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:47:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NHl1R24584 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:47:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NHl1h24581 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:47:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bo48K-0005m5-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:47:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:45:52 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I'd put it on tucows and the like, the rest will follow (its their >job anyway). That is if tucows will accept it. I've had stuff turned down 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 24 00:56:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bo9nE-0004Pj-JX-0004Q2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:56:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bo9nE-0004Pj-JX; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:49:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo9nE-0004Pj-JX; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:49:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bo9nD-000626-RM; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:49:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bo9ma-0004Fm-CM; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:48:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6NNmcU17432 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:48:38 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.191]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6NNmc917429 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:48:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bo9mI-0007NY-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:48:38 +0200 Received: from [62.180.24.16] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bo9mH-00061a-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:48:38 +0200 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:48:02 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3ec104d34c.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3ec104d34c.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <3ec104d34c.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> Tim Howarth wrote: > In message <000f01c470c0$92ec54d0$6502a8c0@padua> > "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > > > On Friday, July 23, 2004 12:19, > > Tim Howarth wrote: > > > > > (Personal reason being, we have thousands of Impression docs on > > > Windows servers and an easy way of opening them from Windows would > > > be handy. - I could easily script a rename of them all from ,bc5 to > > > .imp but that would break Impression on the odd RISC OS machine we > > > still have, unless names are very short.) > > > > > > I think with proper care the .imp extension would be invisible (not > > existing and not taken into account) inside RISC OS. So you would > > still have the same short filenames *in RISC OS* as you had from the > > beginning. > > I don't think so with Lanman98 - at one stage HostFS did work this way > (and may still be configurable to do so). I think Tonnie is correct. If you add a mapping from .imp to the proper RISC OS type, then LanMan98 will not expose the extension to the RISC OS side at all. Just add an entry to !LanMan98.Mappings and it should work. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 24 14:16:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BoGxf-0004fc-9w-0004gu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:16:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BoGxf-0004fc-9w; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:28:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoGxf-0004fc-9w; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:28:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoGxe-0002Eo-TZ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:28:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoGx1-00023f-AA; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:28:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6O7Rqr29946 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:27:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6O7Rpd29943 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:27:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BoGwh-000LVX-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:27:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:27:47 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: <497367d34c.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3ec104d34c.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Martin Wuerthner wrote: > I think Tonnie is correct. If you add a mapping from .imp to the proper > RISC OS type, then LanMan98 will not expose the extension to the RISC OS > side at all. Just add an entry to !LanMan98.Mappings and it should work. No, that's not how it works. (At least with the version I have.) If I have a mapping of .imp to &bc5 and save a file from Impression called Impish a file called Impish,bc5 is created on the PC. If I save a file called Impish/imp then a file called Impish.imp is created and this appears with the correct filetype. Without the mapping Impish/imp would create a file on PC called Impish.imp,bc5 Unless I've missed something..... -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 24 14:16:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BoHKh-0003Oz-4w-0003PJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:16:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BoHKh-0003Oz-4w; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:52:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoHKh-0003Oz-4w; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:52:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoHKh-0005Pj-B6; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:52:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoHKG-0007PW-AP; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:52:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6O7ptO00331 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:51:55 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6O7ptp00325 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:51:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-122-237.teleos-web.de [213.182.122.237]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 51E15219156 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:51:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:54:53 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 24 Jul 2004 09:51:48 +0200 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:51:48 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Message-ID: <08a669d34c.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > I'd put it on tucows and the like, the rest will follow (its their > >job anyway). > > That is if tucows will accept it. > > I've had stuff turned down 8-) > Looking at "Windows > Business > Desktop Publishing" on tucows I think You are no slouch when it comes to modesty. In other news hell refused the opening of its first and only ice rink :> Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 24 14:16:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BoJys-0005HS-8s-0005MM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:16:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BoJys-0005HS-8s; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:42:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoJys-0005HS-8s; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:42:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoJys-0003ET-Hu; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:42:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoJxi-0001HL-0c; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:41:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6OAei027547 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:40:44 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6OAeig27544 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:40:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=49838 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoJxL-0006a5-Qm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:40:43 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55430 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoJxJ-0007JT-Ra for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:40:41 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c47173$91d1ccc0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4cc9f2fc4fadamlists@paradise.net.nz> <5d78f9ca4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <4ccb02f3f2adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4ccb0681ceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <+xWtg5DYZu$AFwGq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3ec104d34c.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <497367d34c.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows news Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:58:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Saturday, July 24, 2004 8:27, Tim Howarth wrote: > In message > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> I think Tonnie is correct. If you add a mapping from .imp to the >> proper RISC OS type, then LanMan98 will not expose the extension to >> the RISC OS side at all. Just add an entry to !LanMan98.Mappings and >> it should work. > > No, that's not how it works. (At least with the version I have.) > > > If I have a mapping of .imp to &bc5 and save a file from Impression > called Impish a file called Impish,bc5 is created on the PC. > > If I save a file called Impish/imp then a file called Impish.imp is > created and this appears with the correct filetype. > > Without the mapping Impish/imp would create a file on PC called > Impish.imp,bc5 > > Unless I've missed something..... Adding or not adding the *comma+extension* is set in the later versions of Lanman98 with a button near the bottom of LanMan98 window: No-Filetypes. In older versions you had to make such a share/connection yourself by adding a line 'somewhere' - as clearly explained in the !Help. This *comma+extension* concept is something very different from the *period+extension, translated to /extension in RISC OS*. The *period+extension* is controlled in the mappings file in LanMan98 and in the HostFS extensions file in the emulator(s). Or -in case you use that too- in another mappings file in !Sambaserver ... In general, it all works nice - as far as I have seen and used it the past years. It *is* annoying that each program wants its own specific layout/set-up for its own specific mappings file. Maybe MIME map can solve it ... in future. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 24 14:36:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BoMbA-0002p3-8B-0002ph."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:36:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BoMbA-0002p3-8B; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:30:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoMbA-0002p3-8B; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:30:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoMbA-0001ug-58; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:30:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoMas-0007d1-9n; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:29:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6ODTIV22169 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:29:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6ODTIU22163 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:29:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BoMaS-000B1c-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:29:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:29:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Is it me or does OvationPro not like communicating with Zap via the global clipboard? I've got the global clipboard enabled in OPro and I then select a portion of text and CTRL-C. If I then click in a Zap window and try pasting it, nothing happens. :-( Any ideas? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Double your drive space: Delete Windows! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 24 14:56:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BoMsO-0007mT-5w-00001G."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:56:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BoMsO-0007mT-5w; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:47:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoMsO-0007mT-5w; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:47:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoMsO-0001oQ-LZ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:47:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoMrm-0007DC-Nv; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:47:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6ODkl324616 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:46:47 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i6ODkkd24613 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:46:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from unknown (HELO Vigor10) (brian?howlett@81.156.31.102 with plain) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 13:46:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:44:41 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: References: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 24 Jul, Paul Vigay wrote: > Is it me or does OvationPro not like communicating with Zap via the > global clipboard? > > I've got the global clipboard enabled in OPro and I then select a > portion of text and CTRL-C. If I then click in a Zap window and try > pasting it, nothing happens. :-( > > Any ideas? > Works fine here, with OPro 2.73, Zap 1.45 and Select 4.39 - are you doing ^V in Zap to paste? By default, Zap uses ^Y to paste from the clipboard. You'll need to edit the Keys file to change this. -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------------- What's the difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 24 15:36:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BoNcL-0003HA-8X-0003Jl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:36:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BoNcL-0003HA-8X; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:35:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoNcL-0003HA-8X; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:35:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoNcL-00008t-CA; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:35:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoNbk-0002up-SX; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:34:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6OEYRL32202 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:34:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6OEYRA32198 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:34:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BoNbX-000Mjb-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:34:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:33:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd38e77f8lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Brian Howlett wrote: > Works fine here, with OPro 2.73, Zap 1.45 and Select 4.39 - are you doing > ^V in Zap to paste? By default, Zap uses ^Y to paste from the clipboard. Yep. I was doing CTRL-Y to paste (which works from things like Impression Publisher and Pluto etc), but it doesn't do anything from Ovation. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ So, I picked an afternoon when I wasn't doing anything, and decided to rob a bank.. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jul 24 16:36:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BoOV2-0006sq-5J-0006tU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:36:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BoOV2-0006sq-5J; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:31:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoOV2-0006sq-5J; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:31:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoOV2-0003P0-Ec; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:31:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoOUh-0000HS-NH; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:31:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6OFV3L09147 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:31:03 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6OFV2I09144 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:31:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BoOUG-0003Nh-N1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:31:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ChrisJ To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:28:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd3938160chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> References: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > Is it me or does OvationPro not like communicating with Zap via the > global clipboard? > I've got the global clipboard enabled in OPro and I then select a > portion of text and CTRL-C. If I then click in a Zap window and try > pasting it, nothing happens. :-( Certainly works here with OP 2.74 and Zap 1.46. -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 27 22:01:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BoQsf-0000FD-6J-0000Fg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:01:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BoQsf-0000FD-6J; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:04:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoQsf-0000FD-6J; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:04:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoQsf-0001ci-NG; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:04:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoQrz-0007AS-3r; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:03:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6OI2OM02174 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:02:24 +0100 Received: from smtp2.global.net.uk (smtp2.global.net.uk [80.189.94.52]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6OI2NQ02170 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:02:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from gr.189.148.236.dial.global.net.uk ([80.189.148.236] helo=freenetname) by smtp2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1BoQqi-000NYL-HG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:02:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:59:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> References: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Authenticated-Sender: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > Is it me or does OvationPro not like communicating with Zap via the > global clipboard? > I've got the global clipboard enabled in OPro and I then select a portion > of text and CTRL-C. > If I then click in a Zap window and try pasting it, nothing happens. :-( > Any ideas? Works okay on this machine Paul. OvPro 2.74 and Zap 1.46 But then I'm on RO Select 4.39 which has a lot better Global clipboard support than some other versions. I see you are on RO 5.06 might that have something to do with it? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 27 22:01:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BoS1L-000504-Dt-00050N."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:01:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BoS1L-000504-Dt; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:17:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoS1L-000504-Dt; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:17:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoS1L-0001w9-4w; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:17:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoS0B-0005uq-JM; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:16:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6OJFxm12563 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:15:59 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6OJFwa12560 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:15:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BoRzx-0007Rc-Gc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:15:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ChrisJ To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:10:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd3a7bd49chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > I see you are on RO 5.06 might that have something to do with it? Probably not. I forgot to mention in my previous posting I am on an Iyonix with RISC OS 5.06 Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 27 22:01:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BoTyt-0006PH-Mo-0006Q7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:01:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BoTyt-0006PH-Mo; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:22:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoTyt-0006PH-Mo; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:22:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoTys-0000Ts-Ry; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:22:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoTya-0001bL-HL; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:22:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6OLMP504053 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:22:25 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netweaver.net (mailhost.netweaver.net [213.160.118.140]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i6OLMO604047 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:22:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 24478 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 21:44:13 -0000 Received: from cpc6-hem12-4-0-cust123.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix) (john@thesandfords.me.uk@213.107.176.123) by 0 with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 21:44:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:22:25 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: References: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05+ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com>, > Paul Vigay wrote: > > Is it me or does OvationPro not like communicating with Zap via the > > global clipboard? > > > I've got the global clipboard enabled in OPro and I then select a portion > > of text and CTRL-C. > > If I then click in a Zap window and try pasting it, nothing happens. :-( > > > Any ideas? > > Works okay on this machine Paul. > OvPro 2.74 and Zap 1.46 > > But then I'm on RO Select 4.39 which has a lot better Global clipboard > support than some other versions. > > I see you are on RO 5.06 might that have something to do with it? > > Cheers > Dave S > > -- Not here on 5.06 it don't, at least with !StrongED I can cut and paste via the Global Clipboard with OvPro. (I don't use Zap) Perhaps its (zap) is using different keys to control+V as StrongED does. (Shift+Control+V) -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group email info@hhrug.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 27 22:01:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BoVa2-0004zV-8a-0004zy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:01:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BoVa2-0004zV-8a; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:05:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoVa2-0004zV-8a; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:05:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BoVa2-0003VI-GT; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:05:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BoVZ0-0001aK-2W; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:04:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6ON2FH19401 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:02:15 +0100 Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz (bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6ON2Cg19391 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:02:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (smtp-1a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.194]) by linda-1.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0I1D00HI4PBL0J@linda-1.paradise.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:02:09 +1200 (NZST) Received: from eyewear.paradise.net.nz (203-96-156-190.tnt6.paradise.net.nz [203.96.156.190]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3975E828F6 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:02:08 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:02:33 +1200 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard In-reply-to: <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4cd3bd07e3adamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > Works okay on this machine Paul. > OvPro 2.74 and Zap 1.46 > I see you are on RO 5.06 might that have something to do with it? No. I'm on RO 5.06, OvPro 2.74 and Zap 1.46. Ctrl-C in OP then Ctrl-Y in Zap works. Bri -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 27 22:01:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BofmK-0003fW-HE-0003iC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:01:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BofmK-0003fW-HE; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:58:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BofmK-0003fW-HE; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:58:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BofmK-00068r-59; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:58:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bofm3-0003k3-FF; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:58:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6P9w1D14655 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:58:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6P9w1814652 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:58:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BoflX-000GHV-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:57:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:57:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd3f90847lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cd3bd07e3adamlists@paradise.net.nz> References: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cd3bd07e3adamlists@paradise.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cd3bd07e3adamlists@paradise.net.nz>, brian wrote: > No. I'm on RO 5.06, OvPro 2.74 and Zap 1.46. > Ctrl-C in OP then Ctrl-Y in Zap works. Most weird. It's all working fine today, so I'm wondering if perhaps something internally had crashed or become corrupted yesterday. Obviously turning the machine on again this morning had reset something. I presume there's some form of internal communication going on somewhere, so perhaps yesterday's session had corrupted something, or something else loaded was interfering with it. Odd! Anyway, it seems to work ok now, so thanks for all the feedback. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Using an Acorn StrongArm Risc PC - British Technology at it's best! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 27 22:01:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bog7F-0003Sg-H9-0003T2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:01:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bog7F-0003Sg-H9; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:20:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bog7F-0003Sg-H9; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:20:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bog7F-0002Nb-3h; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:20:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bog6z-0007x8-HB; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:20:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6PAK1l18078 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:20:01 +0100 Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6PAK1A18074 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:20:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from marsden8.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86024C002D1 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:19:59 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:20:43 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard In-Reply-To: <4cd3f90847lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> References: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cd3bd07e3adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4cd3f90847lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 10:57 25/07/2004, Paul Vigay wrote: >In article <4cd3bd07e3adamlists@paradise.net.nz>, > brian wrote: > > > No. I'm on RO 5.06, OvPro 2.74 and Zap 1.46. > > Ctrl-C in OP then Ctrl-Y in Zap works. > >Most weird. It's all working fine today, so I'm wondering if perhaps >something internally had crashed or become corrupted yesterday. > >Obviously turning the machine on again this morning had reset something. I >presume there's some form of internal communication going on somewhere, so >perhaps yesterday's session had corrupted something, or something else >loaded was interfering with it. Odd! > >Anyway, it seems to work ok now, so thanks for all the feedback. Perhaps it is your well-known effect on Windows computers spilling over on to RISC OS! After all, it could not possibly be anything to do with RISC OS, could it? :-p Perhaps a cosmic ray from a stray alien, perhaps? Beware! :o) -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 27 22:01:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BonK5-0001gJ-HH-0001gk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:01:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BonK5-0001gJ-HH; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:02:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BonK5-0001gJ-HH; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:02:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BonK5-0000pS-6Z; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:02:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BonFt-00020g-Gd; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:57:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6PHvDX02870 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:57:13 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6PHvBL02856 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:57:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-203-71.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.203.71]:1036 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BonF0-000NFM-Ks for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:56:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:54:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd424ab2fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4cd3f90847lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> References: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cd3bd07e3adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4cd3f90847lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cd3f90847lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <4cd3bd07e3adamlists@paradise.net.nz>, > brian wrote: > > No. I'm on RO 5.06, OvPro 2.74 and Zap 1.46. > > Ctrl-C in OP then Ctrl-Y in Zap works. > Most weird. It's all working fine today, so I'm wondering if perhaps > something internally had crashed or become corrupted yesterday. > Obviously turning the machine on again this morning had reset something. > I presume there's some form of internal communication going on > somewhere, so perhaps yesterday's session had corrupted something, or > something else loaded was interfering with it. Odd! > Anyway, it seems to work ok now, so thanks for all the feedback. Paul as you are on an Iy and RO 5.6 this is probably of no relevance, but I'll mention it anyway... I'm on RO Select, and it is possible, using third party Clipboard applications to mess up the action of the Clipboardholder module such that it stops the paste action working. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 27 22:01:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bp98Q-000460-Qt-00047E."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:01:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bp98Q-000460-Qt; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:19:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bp98Q-000460-Qt; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:19:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bp98Q-0007TI-4D; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:19:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bp988-0005La-Tm; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:19:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6QHIgA26538 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:18:42 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6QHIfQ26530 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:18:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bp97Z-000BE4-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:18:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:18:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd4a539e8lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> References: <4cd3888600lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <4cd3a149e8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4cd3bd07e3adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4cd3f90847lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > Perhaps it is your well-known effect on Windows computers spilling over > on to RISC OS! After all, it could not possibly be anything to do with > RISC OS, could it? :-p Perhaps a cosmic ray from a stray alien, perhaps? Well, exactly :-) RISC OS is so reliable and normally does exactly what I expect, it's a major surprise when something doesn't quite work as expected. That sort of thing happens all the time with Windows, so I don't even bother commenting about it. However, it's major news on RISC OS. hehe. :-) -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ 51 things to do in a lift.... 40. Draw a little square on the floor with chalk and announce to the other passengers that this is your "personal space." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 27 22:51:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BpZno-0003r3-Hx-0003rS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:51:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BpZno-0003r3-Hx; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:48:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpZno-0003r3-Hx; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:48:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpZno-0005nP-Bl; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:48:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BpZnT-00036S-BT; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:47:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6RLlF419323 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:47:15 +0100 Received: from obelix.sunrise.ch (mailrelay3.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6RLlEo19319 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:47:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-2-dialup-95.spectraweb.ch [194.230.9.95]) by obelix.sunrise.ch (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6RLlfTN029092 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:47:42 +0200 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:45:57 +0100 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sun 25 Jul, Phillip Marsden wrote: > > At 10:57 25/07/2004, Paul Vigay wrote: > >In article <4cd3bd07e3adamlists@paradise.net.nz>, > > brian wrote: > > > > > No. I'm on RO 5.06, OvPro 2.74 and Zap 1.46. > > > Ctrl-C in OP then Ctrl-Y in Zap works. > > > >Most weird. It's all working fine today, so I'm wondering if perhaps > >something internally had crashed or become corrupted yesterday. > > > >Obviously turning the machine on again this morning had reset something. I > >presume there's some form of internal communication going on somewhere, so > >perhaps yesterday's session had corrupted something, or something else > >loaded was interfering with it. Odd! > > > >Anyway, it seems to work ok now, so thanks for all the feedback. > > Perhaps it is your well-known effect on Windows computers spilling over on > to RISC OS! After all, it could not possibly be anything to do with RISC > OS, could it? :-p Perhaps a cosmic ray from a stray alien, perhaps? > > Beware! :o) Indeed, beware. The RiscOS computers let us use many programs at the same time. Wonderful as one can transfer from one program to another. It works so well that one hardly expects let alone understands that *too* many programs might lead to internal interference, especially after long sessions of use. If not resetting or shutting down the computer after 2 or 3 days non-stop use, I do find at times the response slowing down or eventually dropping down to zero speed. Or a crash with no direct indication why. Even does not work. A Windoze machine does not give you that multitude of working applications at the same time, it will hang much sooner. And making you wonder what to do. When working on important documents, using several programs, I suggest you reset the Risc computer at least once a day, of course after having saved all your work. One way to save time is to reserve a certain area on your screen where you deposit the files actually being used and save the "Pinboard". Having reset, all your working files are immediately present/available. Just to complete the picture: I generally have 25+ programs loaded on startup. And then continue working for many hours, adding more programs, etc. To avoid interruption when handling complex matters, I continue the next day without shutting down. And the next day ... etc., etc. Experienced on the RiscPC and the Iyonix. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jul 27 23:11:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bpa8W-0006fX-Kq-0006gv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:11:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bpa8W-0006fX-Kq; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:09:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpa8W-0006fX-Kq; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:09:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpa8W-0006JM-8O; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:09:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bpa8D-0006ua-M6; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:09:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6RM8v923156 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:08:57 +0100 Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6RM8vd23153 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:08:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from marsden8.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2F64C0011E for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:08:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:09:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 23:45 27/07/2004, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: >[snip] > > >Indeed, beware. > >The RiscOS computers let us use many programs at the same time. >Wonderful as one can transfer from one program to another. It works so >well that one hardly expects let alone understands that *too* many >programs might lead to internal interference, especially after long >sessions of use. > >If not resetting or shutting down the computer after 2 or 3 days >non-stop use, I do find at times the response slowing down or eventually >dropping down to zero speed. Or a crash with no direct indication why. >Even does not work. > >A Windoze machine does not give you that multitude of working >applications at the same time, it will hang much sooner. And making you >wonder what to do. > > >When working on important documents, using several programs, I suggest >you reset the Risc computer at least once a day, of course after having >saved all your work. > >One way to save time is to reserve a certain area on your screen where >you deposit the files actually being used and save the "Pinboard". >Having reset, all your working files are immediately present/available. > >Just to complete the picture: I generally have 25+ programs loaded on >startup. And then continue working for many hours, adding more programs, >etc. To avoid interruption when handling complex matters, I continue the >next day without shutting down. And the next day ... etc., etc. > >Experienced on the RiscPC and the Iyonix. I find your experience most interesting, for two reasons. 1. It is not often that an obviously keen RISC OS enthusiast will accept that there is *anything* at all wrong with the operation of RISC OS. Your operation of RISC OS is right on the limit by the description that you give. Your belief that Windows would not cope with the same kind of treatment is open to debate, as my own Win98 machine has 32 applications/processes running at this moment, and it does not slow down over the course of the day. However, I am more likely to accept your belief because you are willing to admit that RISC OS is not super-perfect, unlike quite a few of the RISC OS enthusiasts we hear from. 2. It reminds of a time 20 years ago when Unix was in its infancy for commercial use. It was common practice to shut the machine down and turn the power off once per week, in order to "clear things down", as the Unix of the day was not robust enough to stand the constant pressure, and definitely got slower and slower. Perhaps the development of RISC OS for really intensive work (such as you give it) is at the same stage as Unix was then? Nice to hear from you. :o) -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 28 00:01:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bpatr-0001Tt-Dm-0001UD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:01:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bpatr-0001Tt-Dm; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:58:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpatr-0001Tt-Dm; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:58:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpatr-0001nQ-24; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:58:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bpasn-00057y-3g; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:57:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6RMv1H30461 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:57:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6RMv0E30457 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:57:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BpasV-0004JD-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:56:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:57:23 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > 1. It is not often that an obviously keen RISC OS enthusiast will accept > that there is *anything* at all wrong with the operation of RISC OS. Your > operation of RISC OS is right on the limit by the description that you > give. Your belief that Windows would not cope with the same kind of > treatment is open to debate, as my own Win98 machine has 32 > applications/processes running at this moment, and it does not slow down > over the course of the day. However, I am more likely to accept your > belief because you are willing to admit that RISC OS is not > super-perfect, unlike quite a few of the RISC OS enthusiasts we hear > from. As I presume you're referring to me, I'm currently running 34 applications on my Iyonix. I last reset the machine about 10 days ago and I've been doing some extensive Photodesk editing tonight with Oregano2, ArtWorks2, Zap, DrawWorks and a number of other applications in constant cut/paste mode. I must admit that I tend to push the machine to its limits and take it for granted somewhat. I guess this 'can' lull you into a false sense of security, simply because it's *too* reliable. eg. I've *never* backed up the harddrive on my Iyonix, which I admit I really ought to sometime. I tend to think to myself that this machine is so reliable I'll 'do it tomorrow' and keep putting it off. Conversely, a Windows XP machine generally crashes within 5 minutes of me doing any work on it, but as we've discussed in the past, that may just be down to PK. ;-) > 2. It reminds of a time 20 years ago when Unix was in its infancy for > commercial use. It was common practice to shut the machine down and turn > the power off once per week, in order to "clear things down", as the Unix > of the day was not robust enough to stand the constant pressure, and > definitely got slower and slower. Perhaps the development of RISC OS for > really intensive work (such as you give it) is at the same stage as Unix > was then? Actually, even now, I tend to "shutdown -r now" on my servers once every 10 days or so, even though some of the people at work like to boast how many days 'uptime' they've had. :-) Paul -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ 101 uses for a Bill Gates: 16: Something to tie the washing line to -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 28 14:28:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BpkVb-0005cu-EA-0005dR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:28:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BpkVb-0005cu-EA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:14:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpkVb-0005cu-EA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:13:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpkVb-0002kc-7E; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:13:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BpkVN-0003fR-30; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:13:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6S9DNe23678 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:13:23 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i6S9DLH23674 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:13:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([82.112.134.54]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 7.4.5) with SMTP id DEMO for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:13:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:13:34 +0100 From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <5b7a80d54c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> you wrote: [snip] > . . . I'm currently running 34 applications > on my Iyonix. I last reset the machine about 10 days ago . . . > doing some extensive Photodesk editing tonight with Oregano2, > ArtWorks2, Zap, DrawWorks and a number of other applications > in constant cut/paste mode. I must admit that I tend to push the > machine to its limits and take it for granted somewhat. > I guess this 'can' lull you into a false sense of security, simply > because it's *too* reliable. Wow! That is really astonishing. If only all Iyonixes were like that! I begin to realise the full extent of my bad luck. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 28 14:28:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bpmoc-0003Rh-Jk-0003ST."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:28:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bpmoc-0003Rh-Jk; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:41:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpmoc-0003Rh-Jk; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:41:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpmob-0002Ji-Th; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:41:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BpmoP-00087l-EC; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:41:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6S9ccD30851 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:38:39 +0100 Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6S9cPj30727 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:38:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from marsden8.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E231C003EC for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:38:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040728103433.0260e130@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:38:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard In-Reply-To: <5b7a80d54c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <5b7a80d54c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 10:13 28/07/2004, michael talibard wrote: >In message <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> you wrote: > >[snip] > > . . . I'm currently running 34 applications > > on my Iyonix. I last reset the machine about 10 days ago . . . > > doing some extensive Photodesk editing tonight with Oregano2, > > ArtWorks2, Zap, DrawWorks and a number of other applications > > in constant cut/paste mode. I must admit that I tend to push the > > machine to its limits and take it for granted somewhat. > > I guess this 'can' lull you into a false sense of security, simply > > because it's *too* reliable. > >Wow! That is really astonishing. If only all Iyonixes were >like that! I begin to realise the full extent of my bad luck. It is strange how there is a small core of vocal Iyonix users who NEVER have any problems with their Iyonix machines. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 28 14:28:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bpmot-00044H-BD-00044w."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:28:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bpmot-00044H-BD; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:42:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpmot-00044H-BD; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:42:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpmot-0002BX-9D; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:42:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bpmob-00087l-Gq; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:41:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6S9ccE30842 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:38:38 +0100 Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6S9cPU30725 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:38:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from marsden8.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFABC1C003FF for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:38:21 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040728101617.02622ba0@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:32:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard In-Reply-To: <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 23:57 27/07/2004, Paul Vigay wrote: >In article <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com>, > Phillip Marsden wrote: > > 1. It is not often that an obviously keen RISC OS enthusiast will accept > > that there is *anything* at all wrong with the operation of RISC OS. Your > > operation of RISC OS is right on the limit by the description that you > > give. Your belief that Windows would not cope with the same kind of > > treatment is open to debate, as my own Win98 machine has 32 > > applications/processes running at this moment, and it does not slow down > > over the course of the day. However, I am more likely to accept your > > belief because you are willing to admit that RISC OS is not > > super-perfect, unlike quite a few of the RISC OS enthusiasts we hear > > from. > >As I presume you're referring to me, I'm currently running 34 applications >on my Iyonix. I last reset the machine about 10 days ago and I've been >doing some extensive Photodesk editing tonight with Oregano2, ArtWorks2, >Zap, DrawWorks and a number of other applications in constant cut/paste >mode. I must admit that I tend to push the machine to its limits and take >it for granted somewhat. >I guess this 'can' lull you into a false sense of security, simply because >it's *too* reliable. eg. I've *never* backed up the harddrive on my Iyonix, >which I admit I really ought to sometime. I tend to think to myself that >this machine is so reliable I'll 'do it tomorrow' and keep putting it off. > >Conversely, a Windows XP machine generally crashes within 5 minutes of me >doing any work on it, but as we've discussed in the past, that may just be >down to PK. ;-) Well, the cosmic rays must be heavy today. Only 5 minutes of up-time on an XP system. :o( Are you sure that it is not the same effect as in a crop circle, where time slows down, and the real time in the real world is several days? ;o) There are quite a few members of our club who have XP machines as well as RISC OS machines. Strangely, they all report that they do not get crashes. I suggest that you work in a tin-foil shelter to avoid the rays. :o) In X-Men, Magneto has a special skull-cap to keep out Professor Xavier and his mind-reading. Perhaps you should have a special cap to keep in your anti-Windows rays? Still, I suppose that you think that if you keep repeating it often enough, even those trouble-free XP users will start believing the propaganda that you push out. :o( -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 28 18:58:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bpsgi-00017r-3H-00018A."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:58:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bpsgi-00017r-3H; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:58:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpsgi-00017r-3H; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:58:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpsgh-0007f6-QV; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:57:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bpsg9-0006cX-M4; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:57:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6SHvAQ14284 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:57:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6SHv9s14275 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:57:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bpsfs-000GGi-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:57:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:57:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd5b072bblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040728103433.0260e130@mail.btinternet.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <5b7a80d54c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728103433.0260e130@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6.0.3.0.2.20040728103433.0260e130@mail.btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > It is strange how there is a small core of vocal Iyonix users who NEVER > have any problems with their Iyonix machines. I didn't say I *never* had problems. I've had a few, but most were due to my own tweaking and fiddling around, which is perhaps why mine is so reliable - because I tweak it and customise it so everything works nicely. I keep all the modules and third party things well organised, so I tend to intimately know the machine and how it's setup, which I guess helps. :-) -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ 51 things to do in a lift.... 22. Frown and mutter "gotta go, gotta go" then sigh and say "oops!" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 28 19:58:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BptWf-0004Gr-PW-0004HN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:58:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BptWf-0004Gr-PW; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:51:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BptWf-0004Gr-PW; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:51:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BptWf-0001wu-O3; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:51:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BptVw-0005D0-Uo; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:50:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6SIolv27662 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:50:47 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6SIojU27655 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:50:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-207-41.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.207.41]:1030 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BptVi-000JIL-FE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:50:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:14:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd5b20a53dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040728101617.02622ba0@mail.btinternet.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728101617.02622ba0@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6.0.3.0.2.20040728101617.02622ba0@mail.btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden wrote: [Snip] > In X-Men, Magneto has a special skull-cap to keep out Professor Xavier > and his mind-reading. That had me a bit amused. Considering just how powerful Magneto's magnetic power was, you'd have thought he could have used that to shield himself from X's mind probing. Sort of like his own personal Faraday cage. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 28 21:38:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bpv4l-0002uw-GR-0002ve."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:38:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bpv4l-0002uw-GR; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:31:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpv4l-0002uw-GR; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:30:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpv4k-0001vO-RU; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:30:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bpv3v-00062j-Hc; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:30:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6SKTu519823 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:29:56 +0100 Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6SKTuL19820 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:29:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from marsden8.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271AA4C003D2 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:29:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040728210427.02634060@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:24:14 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard In-Reply-To: <4cd5b072bblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <5b7a80d54c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728103433.0260e130@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd5b072bblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 18:57 28/07/2004, Paul Vigay wrote: >In article <6.0.3.0.2.20040728103433.0260e130@mail.btinternet.com>, > Phillip Marsden wrote: > > > It is strange how there is a small core of vocal Iyonix users who NEVER > > have any problems with their Iyonix machines. > >I didn't say I *never* had problems. I've had a few, but most were due to >my own tweaking and fiddling around, which is perhaps why mine is so >reliable - because I tweak it and customise it so everything works nicely. >I keep all the modules and third party things well organised, so I tend to >intimately know the machine and how it's setup, which I guess helps. :-) That "never" must have got fast in the filter, and not got through into my email box. :o) The point that keeps getting thrown at such as myself, when I point out that Windows performance is improved by a regular clean-up of the registry, is that RISC OS does not need that kind of attention. Here we have you saying that you tweak things, organise the modules etc. The bog-standard RISC OS user will not have a clue how to do this, I know that I don't. So despite all the hype about RISC OS being great without constant tinkering, we have the experts (who have NO trouble at all with their RISC OS machines, strangely enough) tweaking it to get that stability which supposedly comes "as standard". Please, Paul, give us all a break and stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes. You are now revealing, in your desire to impress us how great RISC OS is in comparison with the hated Windows, that RISC OS is no different to any other system in terms of required maintenance, despite all the proclamations you have made over the years. :o( -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 28 22:48:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bpw9L-0005BZ-8s-0005C8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:48:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bpw9L-0005BZ-8s; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:39:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpw9L-0005BZ-8s; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:39:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bpw9L-0006oa-HQ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:39:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bpw95-0001aN-DM; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:39:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6SJZR106028 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:35:27 +0100 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6SJZ6f05947 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:35:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-197-9.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.197.9]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62741C000E4 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:35:03 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:34:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd5b9540csteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4cd5b20a53dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728101617.02622ba0@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd5b20a53dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 28 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <6.0.3.0.2.20040728101617.02622ba0@mail.btinternet.com>, > Phillip Marsden wrote: > [Snip] > > In X-Men, Magneto has a special skull-cap to keep out Professor Xavier > > and his mind-reading. > That had me a bit amused. > Considering just how powerful Magneto's magnetic power was, you'd have > thought he could have used that to shield himself from X's mind probing. > Sort of like his own personal Faraday cage. So thought is an electro-magnetic wave then? Presumably that makes the characters that wander the streets with tinfoil skullcaps perfectly sane (and immune to mind control) -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 28 22:58:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BpwOF-0006pE-LD-0006pi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:58:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BpwOF-0006pE-LD; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:55:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpwOF-0006pE-LD; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:55:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpwOF-0004NS-CP; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:55:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BpwO4-0005ug-1u; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:55:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6SLsfG02772 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:54:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6SLscT02752 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:54:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BpwNh-000GPd-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:54:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:53:11 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <5b7a80d54c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728103433.0260e130@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd5b072bblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728210427.02634060@mail.btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040728210427.02634060@mail.btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >You are now revealing, in your desire to impress us how great RISC OS >is in comparison with the hated Windows, that RISC OS is no different >to any etc. etc. I think that is far enough for an off topic discussion. The problem is that all this is anecdotal, no doubt some PC's and some Iyonix's have malfunctioning hardware which makes them highly unreliable, similarly some will have incorrect operating system components installed, and that's before you get onto different applications being used in different ways. What operating system vendors seek is "five nines", meaning the system is 99.999% reliable, or five minutes and 15 seconds of downtime per year. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 28 22:58:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BpwPR-0005Lv-4B-0005MM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:58:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BpwPR-0005Lv-4B; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:56:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpwPR-0005Lv-4B; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:56:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpwPQ-0004jO-UX; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:56:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BpwPA-0001qT-Jh; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:56:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6SLu4l03086 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:56:04 +0100 Received: from obelix.sunrise.ch (mailrelay3.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6SLu2i03067 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:56:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-2-dialup-248.spectraweb.ch [194.230.154.248]) by obelix.sunrise.ch (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6SLuRao018043 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:56:28 +0200 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:53:32 +0100 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Just a follow-up on my earlier mailing and referring to all comments since then. There is a difference between the multitude of programs I initiate and those programs being installed by the computer on 'Power-up'. I also believe that there is a relation between certain programs and a conflict between other programs. I presume one can expect that 'picture' programs have a common relation (i.e. respect another program-wise). But this does not mean that a 'picture' program and a -say- database program have this same kind of relationship. Actually, it was trying to load a 15Mb OvPro document that made me aware of the delay. I waited and waited ... And wondered. As normally the document appeared within 5 seconds (yes looking up something in the OP manual). Today, on the Iyonix used non-stop for over 36 hours, I opened a Pipedream chart, which I use every day. It took more than a minute to appear on screen. Having reset the computer it appeared within 5 seconds... As I was accustomed to. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jul 28 23:28:50 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BpwoE-00022y-AA-00023O."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:28:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BpwoE-00022y-AA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:22:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpwoE-00022y-AA; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:22:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpwoD-0003f9-VY; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:22:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bpwny-00011d-Li; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:21:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6SMLXh08453 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:21:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6SMLWj08448 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:21:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bpwni-000ITD-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:21:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:18:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd5c85348Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040728210427.02634060@mail.btinternet.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <5b7a80d54c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728103433.0260e130@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd5b072bblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728210427.02634060@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6.0.3.0.2.20040728210427.02634060@mail.btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > ... The bog-standard RISC OS user will not have a clue how to do > this, I know that I don't. You know some of it. It's simple things like keeping a list of anything you've added to the machine, or moved or deleted, so that you know why what's there IS there. It's not rocket science, but common sense. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 29 00:18:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BpxXp-0002vS-42-0002vn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:18:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BpxXp-0002vS-42; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:09:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpxXp-0002vS-42; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:09:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BpxXp-0001Yo-1f; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:09:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BpxXZ-0003pV-To; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:08:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6SN8cM16419 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:08:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6SN8Yr16403 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:08:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BpxXF-000Lv0-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:08:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:07:18 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <01cfccd54c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.06-ds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 28 Jul, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > Just a follow-up on my earlier mailing and referring to all comments > since then. > > There is a difference between the multitude of programs I initiate and > those programs being installed by the computer on 'Power-up'. > > > I also believe that there is a relation between certain programs and a > conflict between other programs. I presume one can expect that 'picture' > programs have a common relation (i.e. respect another program-wise). But > this does not mean that a 'picture' program and a -say- database program > have this same kind of relationship. > > > Actually, it was trying to load a 15Mb OvPro document that made me aware > of the delay. I waited and waited ... And wondered. As normally the > document appeared within 5 seconds (yes looking up something in the OP > manual). > > Today, on the Iyonix used non-stop for over 36 hours, I opened a > Pipedream chart, which I use every day. It took more than a minute to > appear on screen. Having reset the computer it appeared within 5 > seconds... > As I was accustomed to. One or two people have said that Oregano2 eats memory, neet restarting occasionally and I wonder if you were running that? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 29 16:12:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bq6Lm-00067K-Qs-00067r."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:12:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bq6Lm-00067K-Qs; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:33:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bq6Lm-00067K-Qs; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:33:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bq6Lm-0000qa-5Q; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:33:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bq6LY-0002Lu-LN; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:33:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6T8WM422604 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:32:22 +0100 Received: from obelix.sunrise.ch (mailrelay3.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6T8WMw22597 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:32:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-92.spectraweb.ch [194.230.8.92]) by obelix.sunrise.ch (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6T8Wlao005185 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:32:48 +0200 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:31:06 +0100 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <01cfccd54c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thu 29 Jul, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > One or two people have said that Oregano2 eats memory, neet restarting > occasionally and I wonder if you were running that? No. -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 29 16:12:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bq6s6-0003o3-Id-0003ow."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:12:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bq6s6-0003o3-Id; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:06:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bq6s6-0003o3-Id; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:06:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bq6s6-00022v-In; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:06:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bq6rj-0004Ot-33; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:06:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6T95kc32265 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:05:46 +0100 Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6T95kI32262 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:05:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from marsden8.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5944B1C00191 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:05:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040729100104.02615eb0@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:03:01 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <5b7a80d54c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728103433.0260e130@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd5b072bblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728210427.02634060@mail.btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 22:53 28/07/2004, David Pilling wrote: >>You are now revealing, in your desire to impress us how great RISC OS is >>in comparison with the hated Windows, that RISC OS is no different to any > >etc. etc. > >I think that is far enough for an off topic discussion. > >The problem is that all this is anecdotal, no doubt some PC's and some >Iyonix's have malfunctioning hardware which makes them highly unreliable, >similarly some will have incorrect operating system components installed, >and that's before you get onto different applications being used in >different ways. > >What operating system vendors seek is "five nines", meaning the system is >99.999% reliable, or five minutes and 15 seconds of downtime per year. Thank-you for being so accommodating. I had doubts that I should continue, given the nature of the forum. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 29 16:12:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bq7TV-00006S-9D-00007P."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:12:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bq7TV-00006S-9D; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:45:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bq7TV-00006S-9D; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:45:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bq7TV-0003Mm-Ie; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:45:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bq7TF-0007Rp-1A; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:45:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6T9ioh11052 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:44:50 +0100 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6T9io711047 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:44:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-198-241.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.198.241]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8441C00044 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:44:49 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:26:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd5fa7bd9steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <01cfccd54c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <01cfccd54c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 29 Jul, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > One or two people have said that Oregano2 eats memory, neet restarting > occasionally and I wonder if you were running that? Or Pluto with certain filters and not recently "expired" on busy mailboxes. A variety of applications introduce memory fragmentation. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 29 16:12:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BqBoI-0007CL-Ox-0007DM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:12:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BqBoI-0007CL-Ox; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:23:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqBoI-0007CL-Ox; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:23:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqBoI-0005ps-3m; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:23:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BqBnc-0004gD-Tn; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:22:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6TEMAI28118 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:22:10 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6TEMAU28113 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:22:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.116.50.4] (helo=oramj.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BqBmH-0007jW-F8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:21:01 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:22:18 +0000 (GMT) From: "John E.D. Oram" Subject: [softwarelist] Upgrading from RiscOs to Iyonix To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Oram, Sheffield, + 44 0114 2663910 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear David I am in process of purchasing an Iyonix(IYO12) and generally up-dating my equipment. At present I have a RiscOS/StrongArm / Select set-up on which I have been using various products purchased from yourself. I would like to check out which ones need replacing/ up-dating, and would be pleased if you would send me whatever is necessary. At present I use !Twain with !Arcfax and with my old Canon IX-4015 scanner, for general scanning (!ImgMaster v. 1.12) and an OCR programme (!Sleuth3). I hope to go on using Arcfax on the Iyonix, together with a new scanner (Epson 2400).My Arcfax is version 1.17, I understand I need your latest DPIngScan in connection with the supplied !Twain - not sure I understand what that is, but please supply as needed. My version of !OvnPro is 2.72 - do I need any modifications here please ? I have been using the free version of Sparkplug for ages (V.2.26) - perhaps it is time I lashed out on the full version Obviously I will pay be cheque or card as soon as you let me know what I need. Many thanks in anticipation of whatever help you can give me. John E. Oram -- John Oram, John Oram & Associates - Psychotherapy Centre, 13 Rustlings Rd, Sheffield, S.Yorks, England. S11 7AA + 44 0114 2663910 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 29 16:32:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BqClE-0007ju-HW-0007lE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:32:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BqClE-0007ju-HW; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:24:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqClE-0007ju-HW; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:24:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqClE-0002Ek-4c; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:24:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BqCku-0000Vz-A0; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:23:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6TFNSA13245 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:23:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6TFNRH13236 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:23:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BqCkh-000LWx-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:23:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:22:07 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Upgrading from RiscOs to Iyonix References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >scanner, for general scanning (!ImgMaster v. 1.12) For legal reasons the name of this has changed to DPSS or DPlngScan. You can upgrade for free from my web site, see www.davidpilling.net/riscsos.html > and an OCR programme >(!Sleuth3). Nowt to do with me [1]. Talk to APDL. > I hope to go on using Arcfax on the Iyonix, together with a >new scanner (Epson 2400).My Arcfax is version 1.17 See the above web page for an upgrade. >, I understand I need >your latest DPIngScan in connection with the supplied !Twain - not sure >I understand what that is, but please supply as needed. As above. > >My version of !OvnPro is 2.72 - do I need any modifications here please >? I think you don't, but I believe there is a later version on my web site. >I have been using the free version of Sparkplug for ages (V.2.26) - >perhaps it is time I lashed out on the full version Yes! Yes!! 8-) Actually the Iyonix comes with a read only version of SparkFS which might put off the day, although Castle assured me it would be a good advert. >Obviously I will pay be cheque or card as soon as you let me know what I >need. Making use of the easy to use online shop at www.davidpilling.net. [1] actually I ported it to 32 bits, but I had nothing to do with writing it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 29 16:52:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BqD3m-0003jh-HN-0003kf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:52:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BqD3m-0003jh-HN; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:43:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqD3m-0003jh-HN; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:43:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqD3m-0007Nz-5D; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:43:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BqD2h-0006Q3-PM; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:42:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6TFfmM18691 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:41:48 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6TFflP18688 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:41:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (189.31.65.fdial.global.net.uk [80.189.31.65]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i6TFS3W27795 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:28:03 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:39:44 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Upgrading from RiscOs to Iyonix Message-ID: <4CD627AB53%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article David Pilling wrote: > >scanner, for general scanning (!ImgMaster v. 1.12) > For legal reasons the name of this has changed to DPSS or DPlngScan. You > can upgrade for free from my web site, see > www.davidpilling.net/riscsos.html I assume you mean www.davidpilling.net/riscos.html, but I couldn't see DPSS on there. Could you post the u/g URL here, pls? TIA [snip] -- A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:42:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BqDyW-0004Tm-JQ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:41:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqDyW-0004Tm-JQ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:41:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqDyV-0006zM-Nw; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:41:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BqDxp-0005x6-Oa; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:41:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6TGf1H01834 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:41:01 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6TGf0q01822 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:41:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BqDxg-000FLj-LT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:40:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:40:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Upgrading from RiscOs to Iyonix Message-ID: <4cd62d3ea9evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4CD627AB53%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4CD627AB53%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4CD627AB53%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > I assume you mean www.davidpilling.net/riscos.html, but I couldn't > see DPSS on there. Could you post the u/g URL here, pls? Scroll down just past halfway - Scan software upgrade 1.xx to 1.18 Or for a new purchase: http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/twain.html Highly recommended. Evan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 29 17:42:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BqDyY-0002qv-6o-0002rQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:42:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BqDyY-0002qv-6o; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:41:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqDyY-0002qv-6o; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:41:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqDyX-00033B-Tf; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:41:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BqDxo-0001hI-4F; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:41:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6TGepa01788 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:40:51 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6TGepr01785 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:40:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BqDxW-000FLj-NH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:40:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:33:08 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Upgrading from RiscOs to Iyonix Message-ID: <4cd62c8ea5evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Actually the Iyonix comes with a read only version of SparkFS which > might put off the day, although Castle assured me it would be a > good advert. Worked on me.. ;-) Evan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jul 29 20:32:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BqGYU-0005Xc-Mu-0005Y4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:32:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BqGYU-0005Xc-Mu; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:27:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqGYU-0005Xc-Mu; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:27:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqGYT-0004WQ-T5; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:27:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BqGXH-0006Md-08; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:25:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6TJPEm03780 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:25:14 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6TJPDL03776 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:25:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-2608.elephant.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.250.48] helo=wild4598) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BqGWe-0001sJ-1F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:25:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David H Wild To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:50:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and Global clipboard Message-ID: <4cd60d37aadhwild@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040729100104.02615eb0@mail.btinternet.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040725111702.02610e60@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040727225316.02623020@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd548107elists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <5b7a80d54c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728103433.0260e130@mail.btinternet.com> <4cd5b072bblists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040728210427.02634060@mail.btinternet.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20040729100104.02615eb0@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6.0.3.0.2.20040729100104.02615eb0@mail.btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > >What operating system vendors seek is "five nines", meaning the system > >is 99.999% reliable, or five minutes and 15 seconds of downtime per > >year. > Thank-you for being so accommodating. I had doubts that I should > continue, given the nature of the forum. According to **your** contributions, the only people who have any trouble with PCs are those RISC_OS people who are too stupid to realise just how perfect Windows is. Those complaints, in PC magazines and in some newspapers - from people who have never heard of RISC_OS, must be a figment of my imagination. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Acorn StrongArm Risc_PC | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dhwild@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jul 30 22:23:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Bqeil-0006jr-EF-0006kO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:23:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Bqeil-0006jr-EF; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:15:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bqeil-0006jr-EF; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:15:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Bqeil-0007Ch-5R; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:15:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Bqei9-0006oA-LA; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:14:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6ULE3e27755 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:14:03 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6ULDwL27715 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:13:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (189.27.112.fdial.global.net.uk [80.189.27.112]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i6UL09W08348 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:00:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:16:15 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Upgrading from RiscOs to Iyonix Message-ID: <4CD6BF53F6%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4CD627AB53%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4cd62d3ea9evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cd62d3ea9evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cd62d3ea9evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> Evan Clark wrote: > Mik Towse wrote: > > I assume you mean www.davidpilling.net/riscos.html, but I couldn't > > see DPSS on there. Could you post the u/g URL here, pls? > Scroll down just past halfway - Scan software upgrade 1.xx to 1.18 Thanks for that. Don't know why I couldn't see it, but since I've already got 1.18, I haven't bothered to go back. ;-) > Or for a new purchase: > > http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/twain.html > > Highly recommended. Hm, that was a very sore point! David released Twain2 at a very reasonable price. However, my scanner was supplied by Castle & they charged almost double[1]. I had a major argument at a Wakefield Show about that & they implied, 'Tough, pay it or do without'. I've not been back to a Castle Stand since. [1] Altho' I understood ATT that it was produced by David for Castle. -- A theory is better than its explanation __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:53:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BqfAX-0001EG-Gb; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:44:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqfAX-0001EG-Gb; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:44:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BqfAW-0006tZ-UR; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:44:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BqfAE-0003NN-1t; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:43:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i6ULhTu32537 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:43:29 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6ULhTn32534 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:43:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BqfA0-0008Do-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:43:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:42:21 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Upgrading from RiscOs to Iyonix References: <4CD627AB53%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4cd62d3ea9evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4CD6BF53F6%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4CD6BF53F6%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >[1] Altho' I understood ATT that it was produced by David for Castle. Castle wrote the Mustek specific code. The TWAIN drivers are structured as a large common chunk on to which a single C source file that is scanner specific is added. Castle did a lot of work on the Mustek side of things - yet another scanner maker who didn't want to reveal their secrets. Anyway Castle have the Mustek source code and know all the secrets of the Mustek. I couldn't build a Mustek driver if I wanted to. Sometimes this is a problem because I can't be a lot of help if someone has problems with a Mustek. That's the situation in the modern era. Go back to 1994 and I was writing Mustek drivers on my own, in the mid 90's Mustek were co-operating with Castle. Frank Hertel who wrote some Acorn PD stuff even worked for Mustek. In 1994, the three pass Mustek was a price breakthrough. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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