From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 4 16:56:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BL0Vw-0002YB-JG-0002Yg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 May 2004 16:56:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BL0Vw-0002YB-JG; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:03:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BL0Vw-0002YB-JG; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:03:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BL0Vw-0007RN-Oy; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:03:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BL0UU-0005RC-1c; Tue, 04 May 2004 15:01:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i44E14T29882 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 May 2004 15:01:04 +0100 Received: from dinopsis.arachsys.net (dinopsis.arachsys.net [212.74.117.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i44E12929864 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 15:01:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from du-040-0235.access.clara.net ([217.158.116.235] helo=lab) by dinopsis.arachsys.net with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BL0Tl-0002PM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 May 2004 15:01:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:55:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Japanese Message-ID: <4ca9d43dderichard@4qd.org> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) We have a customer in Japan who is interested in distributing our products - he is about to start translating into Japanese. Can O-Pro handle Japanese - is it worth pointing him to the Windoze version? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www sites http://www.4QD.co.uk http://www.4QDtec.com http://www.4QD.org All email addresses are copyright. Resale or use on any lists is expressly forbidden ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 4 16:56:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BL0xW-0005Zw-Hf-0005bH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 May 2004 16:56:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BL0xW-0005Zw-Hf; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:31:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BL0xW-0005Zw-Hf; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:31:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BL0xW-0003wi-8v; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:31:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BL0xO-00065J-49; Tue, 04 May 2004 15:31:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i44EVTt07139 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 May 2004 15:31:29 +0100 Received: from hades2.sharp.co.uk ([193.133.140.109]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i44EVTo07133 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 15:31:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from exchange1.sle.sharp.co.uk ([172.31.104.100]) by hades2.sharp.co.uk; Tue, 04 May 2004 15:25:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.31.105.73] (oit-xm600-gj.sle.sharp.co.uk [172.31.105.73]) by exchange1.sle.sharp.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JJSKTPWR; Tue, 4 May 2004 15:28:24 +0100 Message-ID: <4097A93E.6060307@sharp.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 15:31:26 +0100 From: Graham Jones User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Japanese References: <4ca9d43dderichard@4qd.org> In-Reply-To: <4ca9d43dderichard@4qd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Richard Torrens wrote: >We have a customer in Japan who is interested in distributing our products >- he is about to start translating into Japanese. > >Can O-Pro handle Japanese - is it worth pointing him to the Windoze >version? > > I produced an applet for Ovation which will insert Japanese characters into a document. It uses the Wadalab fonts for displaying the characters. It doesn't do dictionary lookup or kana -> kanji conversion, but you can type kana and convert various codes into kanji (jis, euc etc). To that extent it is probably no so useful for "native" Japanese use, more for people like me who want to put a small amount of Japanese text into a document. Current home on the web is at http://pages.eidosnet.co.uk/~grahamj/ but will be moving when I get round to it. Eventually it will end up at http://www.4ozNuff.org.uk/kanji Graham -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon May 10 14:34:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BNAt6-0007bd-7x-0007cV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:34:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BNAt6-0007bd-7x; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:32:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BNAt6-0007bd-7x; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:32:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BNAt6-0004ng-8V; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:32:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BNAso-0004by-9V; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4ADVPQ12515 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4ADVPc12512 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BNAsP-000Cwe-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:25 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:30:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Assistance with DPSS/TWAIN in London References: <4ca9d43dderichard@4qd.org> <4097A93E.6060307@sharp.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4097A93E.6060307@sharp.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've been contacted by someone who needs assistance using DPSS and a Mustek scanner, they're partially sighted, and live in London SE3 (Westcombe park). What they want is someone who can actually go around there and show them what to do. So if anyone could do that, let me know. Or if you've any other ideas like user groups etc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon May 10 18:54:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BNEs4-0001E0-LC-0001EY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:54:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BNEs4-0001E0-LC; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:47:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BNEs4-0001E0-LC; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:47:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BNEs4-0003Nf-DB; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:47:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BNErn-0002AG-Vl; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:47:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4AHks717721 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:46:54 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4AHksH17717 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:46:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-41.arkansas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.55.41] helo=localhost) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BNErc-0002eJ-OX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:46:53 +0100 Path: beeston12.freeserve.co.uk%rphillips Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:18:44 +0100 From: Robin Phillips Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.apps Cc: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Page references in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <80e2e7ac4c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Lines: 15 User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Posted-And-Mailed: yes Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,MISSING_HEADERS, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) [Posted and mailed] Dear colleagues, I am handling a lengthy text in Ovation Pro to produce a pamphlet-style booklet. At various points in the text I want to make reference to an item on another page. Is there a way I can insert a tag which would keep the text reference (see p.XX) correct despite the re-sizing of pages which inevitably happens when I am inserting pictures here and there? Thanks in advance, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT Phone: 0115 922 4930 http://www.beeston12.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon May 10 21:54:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BNHe6-0005Pe-56-0005Py."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:54:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BNHe6-0005Pe-56; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:45:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BNHe6-0005Pe-56; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:45:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BNHe6-00016S-Bh; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:45:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BNHdu-00057O-At; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:44:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4AKilV17025 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:44:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4AKike17021 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:44:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BNHdm-000Ds5-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:44:46 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:43:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Page references in Ovation Pro References: <80e2e7ac4c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <80e2e7ac4c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I am handling a lengthy text in Ovation Pro to produce a pamphlet-style >booklet. At various points in the text I want to make reference to an item >on another page. Is there a way I can insert a tag which would keep the text >reference (see p.XX) correct despite the re-sizing of pages which inevitably >happens when I am inserting pictures here and there? I don't believe this can be done in an easy way - some programs let you just do the sort of thing you want. I think it can be done in a complicated way, using the script language and mail merge. I have an idea it's been discussed on the OP mail list - or maybe there is an example somewhere. Although I may be confusing it with getting documents to say "page n of NN". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon May 10 21:54:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BNHk3-0004kd-CQ-0004ky."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:54:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BNHk3-0004kd-CQ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:51:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BNHk3-0004kd-CQ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:51:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BNHk3-0004hS-I0; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:51:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BNHjs-0006UI-S1; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:51:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4AKowW17955 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:50:58 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4AKovX17952 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:50:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk ([80.5.191.219]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040510205004.YRLE26889.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:50:04 +0100 Received: from gwen (unknown [192.168.1.103]) by trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F02190 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:50:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Page references in Ovation Pro Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:51:35 +0100 Message-ID: <003401c436d0$9544ad60$6701a8c0@gwen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >I am handling a lengthy text in Ovation Pro to produce a > pamphlet-style > >booklet. At various points in the text I want to make > reference to an > >item on another page. Is there a way I can insert a tag which would > >keep the text reference (see p.XX) correct despite the re-sizing of > >pages which inevitably happens when I am inserting pictures here and > >there? > > I don't believe this can be done in an easy way - some > programs let you > just do the sort of thing you want. > > I think it can be done in a complicated way, using the script > language > and mail merge. I have an idea it's been discussed on the OP > mail list - > or maybe there is an example somewhere. Although I may be > confusing it > with getting documents to say "page n of NN". It's been a while since I've looked at it, but shouldn't Rupert Thompson's XRef applet do this? Look it up in the applets section of http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ovationpro/ if you've not got a copy installed. Best, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon May 10 22:14:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BNHyw-0000cJ-9D-0000cq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 10 May 2004 22:14:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BNHyw-0000cJ-9D; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:06:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BNHyw-0000cJ-9D; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:06:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BNHyw-0001D6-M1; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:06:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BNHyk-000869-SD; Mon, 10 May 2004 22:06:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4AL6MX20860 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 10 May 2004 22:06:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4AL6Mv20857 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 22:06:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BNHyg-000AUD-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 10 May 2004 22:06:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:04:53 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Page references in Ovation Pro References: <003401c436d0$9544ad60$6701a8c0@gwen> In-Reply-To: <003401c436d0$9544ad60$6701a8c0@gwen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It's been a while since I've looked at it, but shouldn't Rupert >Thompson's XRef applet do this? Look it up in the applets section of >http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ovationpro/ if you've not got a copy >installed. Yes, thanks, sorry for being misleading. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 18 18:34:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BPS4g-0000fi-8v-0000gC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 May 2004 18:34:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BPS4g-0000fi-8v; Sun, 16 May 2004 20:17:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BPS4g-0000fi-8v; Sun, 16 May 2004 20:17:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BPS4g-000313-Jg; Sun, 16 May 2004 20:17:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BPS4V-0007Qe-Rw; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:17:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4GKGwX15474 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:16:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4GKGv415466 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:16:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BPS49-000P2l-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:16:57 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:16:04 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs timestamps Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Following a post to csa.? I tried using SyncDisc to backup RISC OS files via Lanman98 to a Windows PC, however it fails to realise that existing files are the same and recopies. I think it's because Windows stores file datestamps accurate to 1 second whereas RISC OS works to the centisecond. Is there any chance of a tweak to SyncDiscs to do approximates datestamp checking (1 sec. if that will do, or errm. 1.5 sec, whatever) ? -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 18 18:34:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BPSsc-0003DL-Mn-0003E3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 May 2004 18:34:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BPSsc-0003DL-Mn; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:09:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BPSsc-0003DL-Mn; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:09:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BPSsb-0002HG-SH; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:09:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BPSsP-0007lT-GM; Sun, 16 May 2004 22:08:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4GL8eM29506 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 May 2004 22:08:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4GL8cr29496 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 22:08:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BPSs9-000KRV-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 May 2004 22:08:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 22:07:10 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs timestamps Message-ID: <4cb029c939Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Tim Howarth wrote: > Following a post to csa.? I tried using SyncDisc to backup RISC OS > files via Lanman98 to a Windows PC, however it fails to realise that > existing files are the same and recopies. > I think it's because Windows stores file datestamps accurate to 1 > second whereas RISC OS works to the centisecond. !DirSync (by Jan-Jaap van der Geer; http://home.c2i.net/jjvdgeer/riscos/) has various options including a setting that equates timestamps that are within a couple of sconds of each other. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 18 23:24:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BQCu7-0007aj-OQ-0007bK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:24:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BQCu7-0007aj-OQ; Tue, 18 May 2004 22:17:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BQCu7-0007aj-OQ; Tue, 18 May 2004 22:17:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BQCu7-0001cm-Az; Tue, 18 May 2004 22:17:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BQCtc-0000jG-Aj; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:17:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4IMGmC23082 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:16:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4IMGlJ23078 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:16:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BQCtD-0001Ii-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:16:47 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 23:15:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs timestamps References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Following a post to csa.? I tried using SyncDisc to backup RISC OS files >via Lanman98 to a Windows PC, however it fails to realise that existing >files are the same and recopies. >I think it's because Windows stores file datestamps accurate to 1 second >whereas RISC OS works to the centisecond. See 'TimeRes' in the !Help file. The Microsoft document explaining why synchronising a Win 9X system with a Win NT system gives such interesting results is almost laugh out loud funny. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 19 14:13:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BQKKk-0004Zi-4R-0004a4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 May 2004 14:13:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BQKKk-0004Zi-4R; Wed, 19 May 2004 06:13:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BQKKk-0004Zi-4R; Wed, 19 May 2004 06:13:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BQKKk-00036w-6G; Wed, 19 May 2004 06:13:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BQKKT-0005B1-Rf; Wed, 19 May 2004 07:13:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4J6DDP01046 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 May 2004 07:13:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4J6DCD01042 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 07:13:12 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BQKKG-000O6T-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 May 2004 07:13:12 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:13:08 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs timestamps Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > > See 'TimeRes' in the !Help file. Ah, thanks, hadn't spotted that. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon May 24 20:01:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BRxzx-0000K5-Kw-0000KL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 24 May 2004 20:01:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BRxzx-0000K5-Kw; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:47:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BRxzx-0000K5-Kw; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:47:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BRxzx-0000Pm-9f; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:47:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BRxzh-0008RM-QF; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:46:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4NIkB307525 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:46:11 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4NIkBm07522 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:46:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-115.california.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.56.115] helo=localhost) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BRxz7-0004lK-LD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:46:10 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:15:49 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue Message-ID: <84fa9eb34c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am using OvationPro version 2.67. When editing a text, if I use F4 to bring up the Search and Replace window, and enter the string searched for in the writable icon, and then hit Return, nothing happens. The "Go" button is surrounded by a yellow highlighted border, and I am told this means that it shows the action to follow if you hit Return. Is there a mistake here, or what? TIA, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT Phone: 0115 922 4930 http://www.beeston12.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon May 24 20:01:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BRyRC-0003ud-Eu-0003v2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 24 May 2004 20:01:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BRyRC-0003ud-Eu; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:15:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BRyRC-0003ud-Eu; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:15:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BRyRC-00006V-FO; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:15:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BRyR0-0002PA-Ap; Sun, 23 May 2004 20:14:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4NJEkl11955 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 May 2004 20:14:46 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4NJEk511952 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 20:14:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC ([81.109.35.99]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040523191457.ZANZ5696.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 20:14:57 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 20:14:40 +0100 From: Pete Bready To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs timestamps Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >Following a post to csa.? I tried using SyncDisc to backup RISC OS files > >via Lanman98 to a Windows PC, however it fails to realise that existing > >files are the same and recopies. > >I think it's because Windows stores file datestamps accurate to 1 second > >whereas RISC OS works to the centisecond. > > See 'TimeRes' in the !Help file. > > The Microsoft document explaining why synchronising a Win 9X system with > a Win NT system gives such interesting results is almost laugh out loud > funny. > > Can we join in in the fun - what's the URL? -- Pete Bready -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon May 24 20:01:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSKPT-0006n0-Df-0006nY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 24 May 2004 20:01:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSKPT-0006n0-Df; Mon, 24 May 2004 18:42:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSKPT-0006n0-Df; Mon, 24 May 2004 18:42:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSKPT-0001XJ-20; Mon, 24 May 2004 18:42:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSKPD-0002o4-8A; Mon, 24 May 2004 19:42:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4OIgG429462 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 May 2004 19:42:16 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4OIgF429455 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 19:42:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-2-dialup-80.spectraweb.ch [194.230.154.80]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i4OIgDfQ031944 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 20:42:14 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 20:37:56 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <84fa9eb34c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sun 23 May, Robin Phillips wrote: > > I am using OvationPro version 2.67. When editing a text, if I use F4 to > bring up the Search and Replace window, and enter the string searched for in > the writable icon, and then hit Return, nothing happens. The "Go" button is > surrounded by a yellow highlighted border, and I am told this means that it > shows the action to follow if you hit Return. > > Is there a mistake here, or what? I presume the action to follow is the Replace string which has to be entered... JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon May 24 22:11:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSMah-0006if-3p-0006jT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:11:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSMah-0006if-3p; Mon, 24 May 2004 21:02:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSMah-0006if-3p; Mon, 24 May 2004 21:02:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSMag-0003NZ-V0; Mon, 24 May 2004 21:02:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSMaC-0000l1-Oh; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:02:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4OL0kX25592 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:00:46 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4OL0i525581 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:00:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-136.colorado.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.57.136] helo=localhost) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BSMYs-0002y0-GH; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:00:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:56:57 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: janvredencurch@smile.ch Cc: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Sun 23 May, Robin Phillips wrote: > > > > I am using OvationPro version 2.67. When editing a text, if I use F4 to > > bring up the Search and Replace window, and enter the string searched for in > > the writable icon, and then hit Return, nothing happens. The "Go" button is > > surrounded by a yellow highlighted border, and I am told this means that it > > shows the action to follow if you hit Return. > > > > Is there a mistake here, or what? > > I presume the action to follow is the Replace string which has to be entered... You are correct! My situation was one where I was wanting to use ONLY the Find facility, and not the Replace. I have just tested the Find+Replace facility and it does work perfectly. It would be an improvement if the logic were re-written a bit, so that you could tick a button to grey out the Replace icon, and at that point the Go button would get a yellow highlight, ready to operate when you hit Return. Do you get what I mean? There are probably several ways it could be re-arranged. It is a dialogue that serves several purposes, and Search by itself is quite an important part of its job. Anyway, thanks for explaining. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT Phone: 0115 922 4930 http://www.beeston12.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon May 24 23:31:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSNy3-0000nX-Nt-0000oD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:31:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSNy3-0000nX-Nt; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:30:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSNy3-0000nX-Nt; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:30:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSNy3-0005HK-7c; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:30:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSNxl-0001cE-3y; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:30:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4OMUHB09013 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:30:17 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4OMUGO09009 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:30:17 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (1Cust32.tnt16.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.8.32]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i4OMF6725621 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:15:07 +0100 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 23:28:51 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue Message-ID: <4CB44FF3ED%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article Robin Phillips wrote: > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > On Sun 23 May, Robin Phillips wrote: > > > I am using OvationPro version 2.67. When editing a text, if I use F4 > > > to bring up the Search and Replace window, and enter the string > > > searched for in the writable icon, and then hit Return, nothing > > > happens. The "Go" button is surrounded by a yellow highlighted border, > > > and I am told this means that it shows the action to follow if you hit > > > Return. [snip] > > I presume the action to follow is the Replace string which has to be > > entered... > You are correct! My situation was one where I was wanting to use ONLY the > Find facility, and not the Replace. I have just tested the Find+Replace > facility and it does work perfectly. Simply press Return twice. The first press moves the cursor to the Replace box. The second actions the search. -- High heels were invented by a woman who had been kissed on the forehead. Christopher Morley __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:41:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSO6x-0007aa-93; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:40:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSO6x-0007aa-93; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:39:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSO6x-0002hV-KB; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:39:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSO6m-0005Vu-WF; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:39:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4OMdfw10759 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:39:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4OMdfb10756 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:39:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSO6e-000Jav-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:39:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1qofGmItlnsAFwP7@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 23:38:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs timestamps References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Can we join in in the fun - what's the URL? http://www.fileware.com/daylight.htm gives some of the flavour, not sure if this is what I read at the time. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon May 24 23:51:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSO8B-0003ME-K1-0003MV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:51:09 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSO8B-0003ME-K1; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:41:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSO8B-0003ME-K1; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:41:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSO8B-0003up-0f; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:41:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSO81-0003j4-JK; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:41:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4OMf2f11007 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:41:02 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4OMf1111004 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:41:02 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSO7x-000LQ3-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:41:01 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 23:39:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue References: <84fa9eb34c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <84fa9eb34c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I am using OvationPro version 2.67. When editing a text, if I use F4 to >bring up the Search and Replace window, and enter the string searched for in >the writable icon, and then hit Return, nothing happens. The "Go" button is >surrounded by a yellow highlighted border, and I am told this means that it >shows the action to follow if you hit Return. You could probably edit the templates to change the action. ISTR a kart verification string. BTW, no need to be using 2.67 anymore. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 01:31:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSPil-0004ni-Gv-0004oj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 01:31:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSPil-0004ni-Gv; Tue, 25 May 2004 00:23:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSPil-0004ni-Gv; Tue, 25 May 2004 00:23:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSPil-0004kC-2Q; Tue, 25 May 2004 00:23:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSPiU-0003MS-RZ; Tue, 25 May 2004 01:22:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4P0MPV26264 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 01:22:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4P0MPM26261 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 01:22:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSPi4-000HHj-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 May 2004 01:22:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:06:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue Message-ID: <4cb45363e2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <84fa9eb34c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > I presume the action to follow is the Replace string which has to be > entered... But, wouldn't you expect the S&R to work and replace all of the targets with nothing, ie delete them, in this case? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 13:52:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSWU0-0003eI-Eq-0003eq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 13:52:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSWU0-0003eI-Eq; Tue, 25 May 2004 07:36:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSWU0-0003eI-Eq; Tue, 25 May 2004 07:36:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSWU0-0001pO-DC; Tue, 25 May 2004 07:36:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSWTl-0001V7-KO; Tue, 25 May 2004 08:36:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4P7Zm609195 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 08:35:48 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4P7Zew09175 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 08:35:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (189.28.72.fdial.global.net.uk [80.189.28.72]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i4P7KT702317 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 08:20:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:35:15 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue Message-ID: <4CB481FA33%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <84fa9eb34c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4cb45363e2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cb45363e2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4cb45363e2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > I presume the action to follow is the Replace string which has to be > > entered... > But, wouldn't you expect the S&R to work and replace all of the targets > with nothing, ie delete them, in this case? No, because the 'found' box has a /and/ a button. Clicking moves to the next find. BEWARE: pressing return on /this/ box will action the replace. -- Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read. Frank Zappa __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:42:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSesF-0000Qp-Ed; Tue, 25 May 2004 16:33:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSesF-0000Qp-Ed; Tue, 25 May 2004 16:33:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSesF-00063H-9h; Tue, 25 May 2004 16:33:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSes2-0007e8-Ly; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:33:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PGXIT19627 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:33:18 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PGXHa19622 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:33:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Dad (adsl213-218-195-186.as15444.net [213.218.195.186]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i4PGI6716217 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:18:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:33:01 +0100 From: Jeremy Brayshaw To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> X-Organization: PressXpress User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) If I put a picture (JPEG) from my digital camera into Ovation Pro, I can edit it using all the available functions. Using 'menu->picture->process...' lets me edit the gamma curve (is that what it's called? The line that can be adjusted to give a different spread of colour/brightness intensity). I've just got a new digital camera that takes much higher resolution photos (still JPEG, though). Now, as soon as I try and edit that curve, it says 'not enough memory' and shrinks to a title-bar in the top left of the screen. The main difference between files from the old camera and from the new is size - the old ones (which work!) were around a quarter of a Mb in size, the new ones (which don't work) are around 3Mb! I've stripped out the EXIF info and run them through !JClean, but still they won't 'modify'. Viewing and printing the page - even with four such photos on a single Ovation page - are both fine, provided they remain unmodified. Could it be anything to do with 'wimpslot'? I've tried increasing the wimpslot as defined in OvPro's !Run file, but it doesn't seem to make any difference - or I haven't increased it enough! Not that I know exactly what that does, anyway! Any ideas anyone? Thanks! Kinetic RPC, 178 Mb memory Ov Pro 2.73 RO 4.03 -- ====---------------==================------------------------==== Jeremy Brayshaw Jeremy@Brayshaw.org.uk ====---------------==================------------------------==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 18:02:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSfBC-0001Nj-7D-0001P7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:02:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSfBC-0001Nj-7D; Tue, 25 May 2004 16:53:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSfBC-0001Nj-7D; Tue, 25 May 2004 16:53:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSfBC-0007PX-0J; Tue, 25 May 2004 16:53:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSfB1-00017M-Og; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:53:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PGr1f23925 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:53:01 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PGr0J23918 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:53:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dhcppc1 ([81.96.84.125]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040525165305.PILS9422.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@dhcppc1> for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:53:05 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:53:38 +0100 From: Chris Terran To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> X-Organization: Cake User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> Jeremy Brayshaw wrote: > If I put a picture (JPEG) from my digital camera into Ovation Pro, I > can edit it using all the available functions. Using > 'menu->picture->process...' lets me edit the gamma curve (is that what > it's called? The line that can be adjusted to give a different spread > of colour/brightness intensity). > > I've just got a new digital camera that takes much higher resolution > photos (still JPEG, though). > > Now, as soon as I try and edit that curve, it says 'not enough memory' > and shrinks to a title-bar in the top left of the screen. > > The main difference between files from the old camera and from the new > is size - the old ones (which work!) were around a quarter of a Mb in > size, the new ones (which don't work) are around 3Mb! We have a Canon 10D, which also produces 3MB JPEGS (about 3000x2000 pixels). If you convert these to sprites, they are 24MB each. If OPro needs to keep these in application-slot memory for editing purposes, you're going to run out very fast.... the app slot is limited to 26MB on pre-RO 5 machines. > I've stripped out the EXIF info and run them through !JClean, but still > they won't 'modify'. Viewing and printing the page - even with four > such photos on a single Ovation page - are both fine, provided they > remain unmodified. I imagine images are kept in JPEG format if you just put them on a page, but need to be decoded for image processing purposes. This might explain why you can view and print them, but have problems editing. Not sure if this is the problem, though. It depends on how the program uses memory. > Could it be anything to do with 'wimpslot'? I've tried increasing the > wimpslot as defined in OvPro's !Run file, but it doesn't seem to make > any difference - or I haven't increased it enough! Not that I know > exactly what that does, anyway! Unless you've got an Iyonix, you're limited to a 26MB wimpslot. Best, Chris -- *** Chris & Lee's Photodesk tutorials, tips and resources *** http://www.photodesk.iconbar.com *** Latest: Image stacking at http://www.roast.iconbar.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 18:12:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSfRR-0007Sn-HP-0007TW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:12:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSfRR-0007Sn-HP; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:10:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSfRR-0007Sn-HP; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:10:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSfRQ-0004d8-Mp; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:10:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSfRH-0007mv-PN; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:10:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PH9uO28310 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:56 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PH9tA28307 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Dad (adsl213-218-195-186.as15444.net [213.218.195.186]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i4PGsh719095 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:54:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:36 +0100 From: Jeremy Brayshaw To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: PressXpress User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> you wrote: > In message <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> > Jeremy Brayshaw wrote: > > > If I put a picture (JPEG) from my digital camera into Ovation Pro, I > > can edit it using all the available functions. Using > > 'menu->picture->process...' lets me edit the gamma curve (is that what > > it's called? The line that can be adjusted to give a different spread > > of colour/brightness intensity). > > > > I've just got a new digital camera that takes much higher resolution > > photos (still JPEG, though). > > > > Now, as soon as I try and edit that curve, it says 'not enough memory' > > and shrinks to a title-bar in the top left of the screen. > > > > The main difference between files from the old camera and from the new > > is size - the old ones (which work!) were around a quarter of a Mb in > > size, the new ones (which don't work) are around 3Mb! > > We have a Canon 10D, which also produces 3MB JPEGS (about 3000x2000 > pixels). If you convert these to sprites, they are 24MB each. If OPro > needs to keep these in application-slot memory for editing purposes, > you're going to run out very fast.... the app slot is limited to 26MB > on pre-RO 5 machines. > > > I've stripped out the EXIF info and run them through !JClean, but still > > they won't 'modify'. Viewing and printing the page - even with four > > such photos on a single Ovation page - are both fine, provided they > > remain unmodified. > > I imagine images are kept in JPEG format if you just put them on a page, > but need to be decoded for image processing purposes. This might explain > why you can view and print them, but have problems editing. > > Not sure if this is the problem, though. It depends on how the > program uses memory. > > > Could it be anything to do with 'wimpslot'? I've tried increasing the > > wimpslot as defined in OvPro's !Run file, but it doesn't seem to make > > any difference - or I haven't increased it enough! Not that I know > > exactly what that does, anyway! > > Unless you've got an Iyonix, you're limited to a 26MB wimpslot. > > Best, Chris Thanks for that! I've just tried increasing the Wimpslot in the !Run file to just over 25Mb and, amazingly, it works! But only with one JPEG. If I load a second onto the page and try to modify that as well, then it gives up again! I assume, then, it converts each JPEG to a sprite to perform this modification. Hmmm ... that's a nuisance (to put it politely)! Still, at least I can now modify them if there's only one on a page. Time to get myself an Iyonix, I think. Looks like RISC OS 4 is getting very outdated now! Thanks for your help! Jeremy. -- ====---------------==================------------------------==== Jeremy Brayshaw Jeremy@Brayshaw.org.uk ====---------------==================------------------------==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 18:12:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSfRS-0002Ez-Jd-0002Fj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:12:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSfRS-0002Ez-Jd; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:10:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSfRS-0002Ez-Jd; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:10:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSfRR-0004dx-T4; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:10:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSfRI-0001jD-2q; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:10:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PH9wR28331 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:58 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PH9vK28327 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-zh-1-1-dialup-8.spectraweb.ch [194.230.6.8]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i4PH9sfO010399 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:09:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:51:33 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4cb45363e2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue 25 May, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > In article , > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > I presume the action to follow is the Replace string which has to be > > entered... > > But, wouldn't you expect the S&R to work and replace all of the targets > with nothing, ie delete them, in this case? Only if you confirm such specific action in the following window that appears after having hit twice. I understood Robin Phillips' question as "finding a certain string" while editing. His question, I believe, did not concern 'replacing'. PipeDream acts as Robin Phillips stated in his original question. But, the searched string having been found, the 'Search' window closes and you must start anew unless you have ticked the 'Replace' box (even without entering any replace string). I believe OvPro's handling is far superior. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 18:42:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSfqs-0005NP-QS-0005Ny."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:42:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSfqs-0005NP-QS; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:36:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSfqs-0005NP-QS; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:36:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSfqr-0000aP-Pn; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:36:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSfqe-0000MD-MF; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:36:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PHa6W01294 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:36:06 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PHa6Z01289 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:36:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([80.177.5.63] helo=[10.0.0.9]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSfqP-000AiB-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:36:05 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tony Simons Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:36:05 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 25 May 2004, at 18:09, Jeremy Brayshaw wrote: >>> I've just got a new digital camera that takes much higher resolution >>> photos (still JPEG, though). >>> >>> Now, as soon as I try and edit that curve, it says 'not enough >>> memory' >>> and shrinks to a title-bar in the top left of the screen. >>> >>> The main difference between files from the old camera and from the >>> new >>> is size - the old ones (which work!) were around a quarter of a Mb in >>> size, the new ones (which don't work) are around 3Mb! >> >> We have a Canon 10D, which also produces 3MB JPEGS (about 3000x2000 >> pixels). If you convert these to sprites, they are 24MB each. If OPro >> needs to keep these in application-slot memory for editing purposes, >> you're going to run out very fast.... the app slot is limited to 26MB >> on pre-RO 5 machines. >> > > Thanks for that! > > I've just tried increasing the Wimpslot in the !Run file to just over > 25Mb and, amazingly, it works! But only with one JPEG. If I load a > second onto the page and try to modify that as well, then it gives up > again! > > I assume, then, it converts each JPEG to a sprite to perform this > modification. Hmmm ... that's a nuisance (to put it politely)! > > Still, at least I can now modify them if there's only one on a page. > > Time to get myself an Iyonix, I think. Looks like RISC OS 4 is getting > very outdated now! > > Thanks for your help! > > Jeremy. Why should you want pictures of that size in your document? Crop the area of the picture to the required size and reduce the dpi of the picture to around 150. That is plenty of resolution even for imagesetters and you will get better printouts from laser or inkjets anything over 150 dpi is a waste of resources. Tony Simons York www.necpwa.demon.co.uk The box said Windows 98 or better so I bought a Mac -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 20:12:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BShJl-0004DJ-EZ-0004Dn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:12:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BShJl-0004DJ-EZ; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:10:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BShJl-0004DJ-EZ; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:10:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BShJl-0004zk-4s; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:10:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BShJa-0002O8-GB; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:10:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PJ9mx21590 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:09:48 +0100 Received: from mta10-svc.ntlworld.com (mta10-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.94]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PJ9ic21574 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:09:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([80.6.248.217]) by mta10-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040525190611.YQSC13246.mta10-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:06:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:09:48 +0100 From: Alan Leighton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> you wrote: > > > In message <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> > > Jeremy Brayshaw wrote: > > > > > If I put a picture (JPEG) from my digital camera into Ovation Pro, I > > > can edit it using all the available functions. Using > > > 'menu->picture->process...' lets me edit the gamma curve (is that what > > > it's called? The line that can be adjusted to give a different spread > > > of colour/brightness intensity). > > > > > > I've just got a new digital camera that takes much higher resolution > > > photos (still JPEG, though). > > > > > > Now, as soon as I try and edit that curve, it says 'not enough memory' > > > and shrinks to a title-bar in the top left of the screen. > > > > > > The main difference between files from the old camera and from the new > > > is size - the old ones (which work!) were around a quarter of a Mb in > > > size, the new ones (which don't work) are around 3Mb! > > > > We have a Canon 10D, which also produces 3MB JPEGS (about 3000x2000 > > pixels). If you convert these to sprites, they are 24MB each. If OPro > > needs to keep these in application-slot memory for editing purposes, > > you're going to run out very fast.... the app slot is limited to 26MB > > on pre-RO 5 machines. > > > > > I've stripped out the EXIF info and run them through !JClean, but still > > > they won't 'modify'. Viewing and printing the page - even with four > > > such photos on a single Ovation page - are both fine, provided they > > > remain unmodified. > > > > I imagine images are kept in JPEG format if you just put them on a page, > > but need to be decoded for image processing purposes. This might explain > > why you can view and print them, but have problems editing. > > > > Not sure if this is the problem, though. It depends on how the > > program uses memory. > > > > > Could it be anything to do with 'wimpslot'? I've tried increasing the > > > wimpslot as defined in OvPro's !Run file, but it doesn't seem to make > > > any difference - or I haven't increased it enough! Not that I know > > > exactly what that does, anyway! > > > > Unless you've got an Iyonix, you're limited to a 26MB wimpslot. > > > > Best, Chris > > Thanks for that! > > I've just tried increasing the Wimpslot in the !Run file to just over > 25Mb and, amazingly, it works! But only with one JPEG. If I load a > second onto the page and try to modify that as well, then it gives up > again! > > I assume, then, it converts each JPEG to a sprite to perform this > modification. Hmmm ... that's a nuisance (to put it politely)! > > Still, at least I can now modify them if there's only one on a page. > > Time to get myself an Iyonix, I think. Looks like RISC OS 4 is getting > very outdated now! > > Thanks for your help! > Go for it Jeremy believe me you wont regret it Alan Networked RSPC(SA) 3.7 + Iyonix 5.05 + PC/ XP pro Network printing with Kyocera FS 3750 & Canon BJC 7100 +optical mouse.. > -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton Dean of Academic Studies St Augustine Theological Seminary Priory Lodge, Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 20:22:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BShRm-0003Xt-4I-0003YH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:22:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BShRm-0003Xt-4I; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:18:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BShRm-0003Xt-4I; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:18:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BShRm-0003cY-5W; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:18:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BShRc-0007yK-Ma; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:18:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PJI4h23317 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:18:04 +0100 Received: from lon1-mail-1.visp.demon.net (lon1-mail-1.visp.demon.net [193.195.70.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PJI1h23313 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:18:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from beeb (host-73b-th-m-83.dial.beeb.net [62.56.19.83] (may be forged)) by lon1-mail-1.visp.demon.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.8-GR) with SMTP id BFY43639; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:17:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:14:45 +0100 From: Derek Todd To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue Message-ID: <9e04c2b44c.dtodd@beeb.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > PipeDream acts as Robin Phillips stated in his original question. But, > the searched string having been found, the 'Search' window closes and > you must start anew unless you have ticked the 'Replace' box (even > without entering any replace string). I believe OvPro's handling is far > superior. > > JohnvV > Instead of starting anew use (Ctrl BNM) for the next match or (Ctrl BPM) for the previous match. In PipeDream you canof course setup your own function key definitions. Please excuse me using the Ovation List to put this information about another application. -- Derek Todd Dorset U.K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 20:42:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BShnA-0003VE-F0-0003Vg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:42:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BShnA-0003VE-F0; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:40:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BShnA-0003VE-F0; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:40:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BShnA-0006gA-FP; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:40:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BShmz-00023C-ET; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:40:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PJeLf29098 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:40:21 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PJeJe29077 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:40:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [82.112.128.34] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.11) id AFBC1BC00BE; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:34:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:40:59 +0100 From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i4PJeKe29082 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Time to get myself an Iyonix, I think. Looks like RISC OS 4 is getting > > very outdated now! > Go for it Jeremy believe me you wont regret it > > Alan Obviously, Alan, your experience of Iyonix is rather different from mine! My machine doesn't cope with the inadequacies of Photodesk particularly well. It is a bit faster than was my Kinetic RiscPC, but then there are these crashes to deal with that everyone else is talking about. Apparently, these are to be laid at the door of Photodesk, rather than Iyonix, but what consolation is that? In addition, my Iyonix frequently disobeys its various switches that are supposed to turn it on, it keeps (falsely) complaining that it had no keyboard connected, and I have yet to be supplied (at third time of asking) with a mouse that works with it. Castle seem to feel unsurprised and not much bothered. Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 21:02:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSi0N-0002Tk-F9-0002U9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:02:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSi0N-0002Tk-F9; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:54:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSi0N-0002Tk-F9; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:54:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSi0N-0004SG-G8; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:54:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSi0C-0006HV-3a; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:54:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PJrxQ00933 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:53:59 +0100 Received: from mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (mta09-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.49]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PJrwd00923 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:53:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([80.6.248.217]) by mta09-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040525195429.CZTA20971.mta09-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:54:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:56:40 +0100 From: Alan Leighton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.05) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i4PJrwd00925 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > Time to get myself an Iyonix, I think. Looks like RISC OS 4 is getting > > > very outdated now! > > > Go for it Jeremy believe me you wont regret it > > > > Alan > > > Obviously, Alan, your experience of Iyonix is rather > different from mine! > > My machine doesn't cope with the inadequacies > of Photodesk particularly well. It is a bit faster > than was my Kinetic RiscPC, but then there are > these crashes to deal with that everyone else is > talking about. Apparently, these are to be laid at > the door of Photodesk, rather than Iyonix, but > what consolation is that? > > In addition, my Iyonix frequently disobeys its > various switches that are supposed to turn it on, > it keeps (falsely) complaining that it had no keyboard > connected, and I have yet to be supplied (at third time > of asking) with a mouse that works with it. Castle seem > to feel unsurprised and not much bothered. > > Michael Talibard > Gosh Michael that is very sad. I hope John B will listen to what you say and help you. I can not remember the last time I had a crash on the Iyonix. Just look at my webb site and see what it can do. My PC can be a nightmare. alanleighton.co.uk -- Rev Dr Alan GC Leighton Dean of Academic Studies St Augustine Theological Seminary Priory Lodge, Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 21:52:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSimi-0006qr-MV-0006r7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:52:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSimi-0006qr-MV; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:44:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSimi-0006qr-MV; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:44:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSime-0002NU-2v; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:44:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSimH-0003oB-Ky; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:44:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PKhTF14966 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:43:29 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PKhPh14948 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:43:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSilg-000D0S-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:43:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:43:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk>, michael talibard wrote: > My machine doesn't cope with the inadequacies of Photodesk particularly > well. It is a bit faster than was my Kinetic RiscPC, but then there are > these crashes to deal with that everyone else is talking about. > Apparently, these are to be laid at the door of Photodesk, rather than > Iyonix, but what consolation is that? Hmmm. Far be it for me to question the reliability of your particular machine, but Photodesk is my most used application (after Zap). I have it virtually permanently running here and it's never once crashed on my Iyonix. What are you doing at the time it starts crashing? And what are these crashes everyone else is talking about. The Iyonix is the most reliable computer I've ever used, even more so than my trusty RPC. > In addition, my Iyonix frequently disobeys its various switches that are > supposed to turn it on, it keeps (falsely) complaining that it had no > keyboard connected, and I have yet to be supplied (at third time of > asking) with a mouse that works with it. Castle seem to feel unsurprised > and not much bothered. Have you joined the Iyonix mailing list and asked there? I've never had any of the problems you report, and I've added new mice to mine. I'm using a standard PC Latec USB infra-red wheel mouse at the moment. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ If you're riding' ahead of the herd, take a look back every now and then to make sure it's still there. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 21:52:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSinm-0007Ay-J9-0007BL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:52:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSinm-0007Ay-J9; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:45:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSinm-0007Ay-J9; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:45:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSinm-0000uT-H7; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:45:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSin3-0002JJ-6b; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:44:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PKidq15234 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:44:39 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PKiV715200 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:44:31 +0100 Received: from cluster1 ([172.23.146.42]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 21:44:34 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:44:34 +0100 Received: from smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.14]) by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 25 May 2004 18:13:22 +0100 Received: from eback03.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.214]) by smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 18:12:59 +0100 Received: from [172.23.164.200] (helo=anti-virus01-07.blueyonder.co.uk) by eback03.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BSfTz-0006u9-Ev for barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:12:55 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim13.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BSfTx-0006My-W1; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:12:54 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSfRQ-0001jD-Fz; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:10:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PH9wR28331 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:58 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PH9vK28327 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-zh-1-1-dialup-8.spectraweb.ch [194.230.6.8]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i4PH9sfO010399 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:09:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:51:33 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4cb45363e2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2004 17:12:59.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[8751EB80:01C4427B] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue 25 May, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > In article , > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > I presume the action to follow is the Replace string which has to be > > entered... > > But, wouldn't you expect the S&R to work and replace all of the targets > with nothing, ie delete them, in this case? Only if you confirm such specific action in the following window that appears after having hit twice. I understood Robin Phillips' question as "finding a certain string" while editing. His question, I believe, did not concern 'replacing'. PipeDream acts as Robin Phillips stated in his original question. But, the searched string having been found, the 'Search' window closes and you must start anew unless you have ticked the 'Replace' box (even without entering any replace string). I believe OvPro's handling is far superior. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 21:52:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSioR-0003nK-Dt-0003ng."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:52:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSioR-0003nK-Dt; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:46:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSioR-0003nK-Dt; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:46:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSioR-0003UR-1U; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:46:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSio7-00033P-3H; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:45:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PKji715536 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:45:44 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PKjfS15520 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:45:41 +0100 Received: from cluster1 ([172.23.146.42]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 21:45:44 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:44:57 +0100 Received: from smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.15]) by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 25 May 2004 18:13:29 +0100 Received: from eback04.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.215]) by smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 18:12:58 +0100 Received: from [172.23.164.206] (helo=anti-virus02-09.blueyonder.co.uk) by eback04.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BSfTF-0005L7-PX for goatly@blueyonder.co.uk; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:12:09 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim13.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BSfTx-0006My-W1; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:12:54 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSfRQ-0001jD-Fz; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:10:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PH9wR28331 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:58 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PH9vK28327 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-zh-1-1-dialup-8.spectraweb.ch [194.230.6.8]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i4PH9sfO010399 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:09:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:51:33 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4cb45363e2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: goatly@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2004 17:12:58.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[86F8A7F0:01C4427B] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue 25 May, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > In article , > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > I presume the action to follow is the Replace string which has to be > > entered... > > But, wouldn't you expect the S&R to work and replace all of the targets > with nothing, ie delete them, in this case? Only if you confirm such specific action in the following window that appears after having hit twice. I understood Robin Phillips' question as "finding a certain string" while editing. His question, I believe, did not concern 'replacing'. PipeDream acts as Robin Phillips stated in his original question. But, the searched string having been found, the 'Search' window closes and you must start anew unless you have ticked the 'Replace' box (even without entering any replace string). I believe OvPro's handling is far superior. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 21:53:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSiqO-0000lO-6H-0000lo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:53:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSiqO-0000lO-6H; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:48:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSiqO-0000lO-6H; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:48:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSiqO-0001wb-Kq; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:48:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSiqF-0001cB-Be; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:48:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PKluA16141 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:47:56 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PKlqa16123 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:47:52 +0100 Received: from cluster1 ([172.23.146.42]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 21:47:55 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:47:09 +0100 Received: from smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.14]) by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 25 May 2004 20:31:07 +0100 Received: from eback02.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.213]) by smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 20:19:42 +0100 Received: from [172.23.164.204] (helo=anti-virus02-07.blueyonder.co.uk) by eback02.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BShSd-00042Y-4P for goatly@blueyonder.co.uk; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:19:39 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim9.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BShS0-0004OI-8m; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:19:00 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BShRm-0007yK-9Q; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:18:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PJI4h23317 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:18:04 +0100 Received: from lon1-mail-1.visp.demon.net (lon1-mail-1.visp.demon.net [193.195.70.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PJI1h23313 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:18:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from beeb (host-73b-th-m-83.dial.beeb.net [62.56.19.83] (may be forged)) by lon1-mail-1.visp.demon.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.8-GR) with SMTP id BFY43639; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:17:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:14:45 +0100 From: Derek Todd To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue Message-ID: <9e04c2b44c.dtodd@beeb.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: goatly@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2004 19:19:42.0926 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B7FA6E0:01C4428D] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > PipeDream acts as Robin Phillips stated in his original question. But, > the searched string having been found, the 'Search' window closes and > you must start anew unless you have ticked the 'Replace' box (even > without entering any replace string). I believe OvPro's handling is far > superior. > > JohnvV > Instead of starting anew use (Ctrl BNM) for the next match or (Ctrl BPM) for the previous match. In PipeDream you canof course setup your own function key definitions. Please excuse me using the Ovation List to put this information about another application. -- Derek Todd Dorset U.K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 21:53:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSiqb-0000zd-LO-000101."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:53:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSiqb-0000zd-LO; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:48:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSiqb-0000zd-LO; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:48:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSiqb-0007SG-EW; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:48:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSiqF-0003c9-G0; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:48:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PKlug16140 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:47:56 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PKlqq16125 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:47:52 +0100 Received: from cluster1 ([172.23.146.42]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 21:47:55 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:47:12 +0100 Received: from smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.14]) by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 25 May 2004 20:31:07 +0100 Received: from eback04.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.215]) by smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 20:19:43 +0100 Received: from [172.23.164.206] (helo=anti-virus02-09.blueyonder.co.uk) by eback04.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BShRu-0001Dd-8G for barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:18:54 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim9.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BShS0-0004OI-8m; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:19:00 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BShRm-0007yK-9Q; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:18:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PJI4h23317 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:18:04 +0100 Received: from lon1-mail-1.visp.demon.net (lon1-mail-1.visp.demon.net [193.195.70.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PJI1h23313 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:18:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from beeb (host-73b-th-m-83.dial.beeb.net [62.56.19.83] (may be forged)) by lon1-mail-1.visp.demon.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.8-GR) with SMTP id BFY43639; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:17:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:14:45 +0100 From: Derek Todd To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue Message-ID: <9e04c2b44c.dtodd@beeb.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2004 19:19:43.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BC27C40:01C4428D] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > PipeDream acts as Robin Phillips stated in his original question. But, > the searched string having been found, the 'Search' window closes and > you must start anew unless you have ticked the 'Replace' box (even > without entering any replace string). I believe OvPro's handling is far > superior. > > JohnvV > Instead of starting anew use (Ctrl BNM) for the next match or (Ctrl BPM) for the previous match. In PipeDream you canof course setup your own function key definitions. Please excuse me using the Ovation List to put this information about another application. -- Derek Todd Dorset U.K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 21:53:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSis2-0001OZ-Iw-0001Oy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:53:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSis2-0001OZ-Iw; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:49:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSis2-0001OZ-Iw; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:49:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSis2-0002Zt-Kj; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:49:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSirt-0001sj-Op; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:49:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PKnkU16665 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:49:46 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PKngP16649 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:49:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Dad (adsl213-218-195-186.as15444.net [213.218.195.186]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i4PKYU704736 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:34:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:49:19 +0100 From: Jeremy Brayshaw To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <37adcab44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: PressXpress User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > On 25 May 2004, at 18:09, Jeremy Brayshaw wrote: > >>> I've just got a new digital camera that takes much higher resolution > >>> photos (still JPEG, though). > >>> > >>> Now, as soon as I try and edit that curve, it says 'not enough > >>> memory' > >>> and shrinks to a title-bar in the top left of the screen. > >>> > >>> The main difference between files from the old camera and from the > >>> new > >>> is size - the old ones (which work!) were around a quarter of a Mb in > >>> size, the new ones (which don't work) are around 3Mb! > >> > >> We have a Canon 10D, which also produces 3MB JPEGS (about 3000x2000 > >> pixels). If you convert these to sprites, they are 24MB each. If OPro > >> needs to keep these in application-slot memory for editing purposes, > >> you're going to run out very fast.... the app slot is limited to 26MB > >> on pre-RO 5 machines. > >> > > > > Thanks for that! > > > > I've just tried increasing the Wimpslot in the !Run file to just over > > 25Mb and, amazingly, it works! But only with one JPEG. If I load a > > second onto the page and try to modify that as well, then it gives up > > again! > > > > I assume, then, it converts each JPEG to a sprite to perform this > > modification. Hmmm ... that's a nuisance (to put it politely)! > > > > Still, at least I can now modify them if there's only one on a page. > > > > Time to get myself an Iyonix, I think. Looks like RISC OS 4 is getting > > very outdated now! > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > Jeremy. > > Why should you want pictures of that size in your document? > > Crop the area of the picture to the required size and reduce the dpi of > the picture to around 150. > > That is plenty of resolution even for imagesetters and you will get > better printouts from laser or inkjets anything over 150 dpi is a waste > of resources. > Thanks, Tony, but if I am to enlarge a photo to A3, and if it is to be 150dpi, then it must be around 2500 pixels by 1750 pixels (according to my maths, which may be a bit rusty!). The camera is set to take pictures at 2560 x 1920. So to achieve the resolution you suggest (which I agree is a minimum for top quality printouts at A3 size) then I am already taking them in the minimum resolution I can - which gives file sizes of around 3Mb per photo! Certainly, for average 'holiday snaps' then a much lower resolution is fine, but for professional quality, they need to be this size! Of course, I have opted for a not-too-lossy compression of the JPEG, which also dramatically increases the file size - but sometimes that quality is needed. The camera can actually take photos at 3264 x 2448 pixels, and save in TIFF format, but this gives a single photo file size in the region of 24Mb! (I imagine I could enlarge this to the size of a double-decker bus and still keep high quality!!) Thanks for the help, though - I appreciate your comments! Jeremy. -- ====---------------==================------------------------==== Jeremy Brayshaw Jeremy@Brayshaw.org.uk ====---------------==================------------------------==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 22:12:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSj6C-0002k0-9b-0002ko."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:12:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSj6C-0002k0-9b; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:04:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSj6C-0002k0-9b; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:04:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSj6C-0002dO-Np; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:04:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSj5v-0003dk-0T; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:04:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PL1tm19910 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:01:55 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PL1mU19863 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:01:48 +0100 Received: from cluster1 ([172.23.146.42]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 22:01:48 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:00:55 +0100 Received: from smtp-in2.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.13]) by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 25 May 2004 18:12:09 +0100 Received: from eback03.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.214]) by smtp-in2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 18:11:11 +0100 Received: from [172.23.164.202] (helo=anti-virus01-09.blueyonder.co.uk) by eback03.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BSfSF-0005kc-Ay for goatly@blueyonder.co.uk; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:11:07 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim8.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BSfSK-0007iI-NI; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:11:12 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSfRQ-0007mv-DM; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:10:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PH9uO28310 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:56 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PH9tA28307 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Dad (adsl213-218-195-186.as15444.net [213.218.195.186]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i4PGsh719095 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:54:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:36 +0100 From: Jeremy Brayshaw To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: PressXpress User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: goatly@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2004 17:11:11.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[46E0E150:01C4427B] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> you wrote: > In message <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> > Jeremy Brayshaw wrote: > > > If I put a picture (JPEG) from my digital camera into Ovation Pro, I > > can edit it using all the available functions. Using > > 'menu->picture->process...' lets me edit the gamma curve (is that what > > it's called? The line that can be adjusted to give a different spread > > of colour/brightness intensity). > > > > I've just got a new digital camera that takes much higher resolution > > photos (still JPEG, though). > > > > Now, as soon as I try and edit that curve, it says 'not enough memory' > > and shrinks to a title-bar in the top left of the screen. > > > > The main difference between files from the old camera and from the new > > is size - the old ones (which work!) were around a quarter of a Mb in > > size, the new ones (which don't work) are around 3Mb! > > We have a Canon 10D, which also produces 3MB JPEGS (about 3000x2000 > pixels). If you convert these to sprites, they are 24MB each. If OPro > needs to keep these in application-slot memory for editing purposes, > you're going to run out very fast.... the app slot is limited to 26MB > on pre-RO 5 machines. > > > I've stripped out the EXIF info and run them through !JClean, but still > > they won't 'modify'. Viewing and printing the page - even with four > > such photos on a single Ovation page - are both fine, provided they > > remain unmodified. > > I imagine images are kept in JPEG format if you just put them on a page, > but need to be decoded for image processing purposes. This might explain > why you can view and print them, but have problems editing. > > Not sure if this is the problem, though. It depends on how the > program uses memory. > > > Could it be anything to do with 'wimpslot'? I've tried increasing the > > wimpslot as defined in OvPro's !Run file, but it doesn't seem to make > > any difference - or I haven't increased it enough! Not that I know > > exactly what that does, anyway! > > Unless you've got an Iyonix, you're limited to a 26MB wimpslot. > > Best, Chris Thanks for that! I've just tried increasing the Wimpslot in the !Run file to just over 25Mb and, amazingly, it works! But only with one JPEG. If I load a second onto the page and try to modify that as well, then it gives up again! I assume, then, it converts each JPEG to a sprite to perform this modification. Hmmm ... that's a nuisance (to put it politely)! Still, at least I can now modify them if there's only one on a page. Time to get myself an Iyonix, I think. Looks like RISC OS 4 is getting very outdated now! Thanks for your help! Jeremy. -- ====---------------==================------------------------==== Jeremy Brayshaw Jeremy@Brayshaw.org.uk ====---------------==================------------------------==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 22:12:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSj6I-0004sm-D4-0004t4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:12:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSj6I-0004sm-D4; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:04:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSj6I-0004sm-D4; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:04:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSj6H-0000Si-RU; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:04:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSj5x-0008UG-32; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:04:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PL0pX19565 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:00:51 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PL0iM19497 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:00:44 +0100 Received: from cluster1 ([172.23.146.42]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 22:00:47 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:00:46 +0100 Received: from smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.15]) by cluster1 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 25 May 2004 18:11:59 +0100 Received: from eback02.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.213]) by smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 25 May 2004 18:11:11 +0100 Received: from [172.23.164.200] (helo=anti-virus01-07.blueyonder.co.uk) by eback02.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BSfSF-0005DM-Pk for barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:11:07 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim8.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BSfSK-0007iI-NI; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:11:12 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSfRQ-0007mv-DM; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:10:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PH9uO28310 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:56 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PH9tA28307 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Dad (adsl213-218-195-186.as15444.net [213.218.195.186]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i4PGsh719095 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 17:54:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:36 +0100 From: Jeremy Brayshaw To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: PressXpress User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2004 17:11:11.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[471D4E10:01C4427B] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> you wrote: > In message <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> > Jeremy Brayshaw wrote: > > > If I put a picture (JPEG) from my digital camera into Ovation Pro, I > > can edit it using all the available functions. Using > > 'menu->picture->process...' lets me edit the gamma curve (is that what > > it's called? The line that can be adjusted to give a different spread > > of colour/brightness intensity). > > > > I've just got a new digital camera that takes much higher resolution > > photos (still JPEG, though). > > > > Now, as soon as I try and edit that curve, it says 'not enough memory' > > and shrinks to a title-bar in the top left of the screen. > > > > The main difference between files from the old camera and from the new > > is size - the old ones (which work!) were around a quarter of a Mb in > > size, the new ones (which don't work) are around 3Mb! > > We have a Canon 10D, which also produces 3MB JPEGS (about 3000x2000 > pixels). If you convert these to sprites, they are 24MB each. If OPro > needs to keep these in application-slot memory for editing purposes, > you're going to run out very fast.... the app slot is limited to 26MB > on pre-RO 5 machines. > > > I've stripped out the EXIF info and run them through !JClean, but still > > they won't 'modify'. Viewing and printing the page - even with four > > such photos on a single Ovation page - are both fine, provided they > > remain unmodified. > > I imagine images are kept in JPEG format if you just put them on a page, > but need to be decoded for image processing purposes. This might explain > why you can view and print them, but have problems editing. > > Not sure if this is the problem, though. It depends on how the > program uses memory. > > > Could it be anything to do with 'wimpslot'? I've tried increasing the > > wimpslot as defined in OvPro's !Run file, but it doesn't seem to make > > any difference - or I haven't increased it enough! Not that I know > > exactly what that does, anyway! > > Unless you've got an Iyonix, you're limited to a 26MB wimpslot. > > Best, Chris Thanks for that! I've just tried increasing the Wimpslot in the !Run file to just over 25Mb and, amazingly, it works! But only with one JPEG. If I load a second onto the page and try to modify that as well, then it gives up again! I assume, then, it converts each JPEG to a sprite to perform this modification. Hmmm ... that's a nuisance (to put it politely)! Still, at least I can now modify them if there's only one on a page. Time to get myself an Iyonix, I think. Looks like RISC OS 4 is getting very outdated now! Thanks for your help! Jeremy. -- ====---------------==================------------------------==== Jeremy Brayshaw Jeremy@Brayshaw.org.uk ====---------------==================------------------------==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 22:32:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSjWR-00001f-8R-00002A."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:32:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSjWR-00001f-8R; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:31:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSjWR-00001f-8R; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:31:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSjWR-0000gA-E4; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:31:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSjWH-0003WO-KB; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:31:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PLV5Y27279 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:31:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PLUwV27232 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:30:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSjVh-000E0Y-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:30:57 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:29:24 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> > Now, as soon as I try and edit that curve, it says 'not enough memory' >> > and shrinks to a title-bar in the top left of the screen. >> Unless you've got an Iyonix, you're limited to a 26MB wimpslot. >I've just tried increasing the Wimpslot in the !Run file to just over >25Mb and, amazingly, it works! But only with one JPEG. If I load a >second onto the page and try to modify that as well, then it gives up >again! OP can only image process JPEG's (or render them rotated) by converting them to sprites. ISTR it will do this in strips so it should not be necessary to have enough memory to hold the entire JPEG expanded. I'm not sure why expanding the wimp slot helps. OP will use application slot memory (above the initial wimp slot) for workspace e.g. when expanding the JPEG. Memory from the initial wimp slot is used by C library functions - maybe you've discovered that memory is being used up - a memory leak. In the past there have been a number of problems with JPEG's and reporting running out of memory - alas you seem to be past those versions, although still not using the latest version. Plan B, is to convert your JPEG's to sprites, keep them on disc and load into OP as referenced images. As to the Iyonix, if your Iyonix sits there doing nothing, just as supplied and it doesn't crash then it is reliable. If you run some software and it crashes, then it's the software that is unreliable not the machine. It's all subjective, if I say Windows XP is reliable and '98 is a bug ridden load of rubbish, there will be someone whose experience is the exact opposite. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 22:43:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSjbE-0007We-LB-0007Wv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:43:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSjbE-0007We-LB; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:36:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSjbE-0007We-LB; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:36:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSjbE-0002Bt-DW; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:36:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSjaz-00019x-AZ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:36:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PLZ7028605 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:35:07 +0100 Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PLYvA28542 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:34:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from marsden8.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610D44C002CD for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:34:56 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040525214643.0260c7b0@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:25:04 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 20:56 25/05/2004, Alan Leighton wrote: >[snip] >Gosh Michael that is very sad. I hope John B will listen to >what you say and help you. I can not remember the last time >I had a crash on the Iyonix. Just look at my webb site and >see what it can do. My PC can be a nightmare. Sorry to butt in on your exchange of views, and perhaps this forum is not the correct place for such a topic, but perhaps I might say these few words. The different experiences that you both have had with the same (RISC OS) machine should be a lesson to all those who continually drum up the stability of RISC OS and associated ARM hardware as compared to (usually) PC/Windows stability. There appears to be no reason for why a particular machine or OS is not very stable, given that the OS can be the same and the hardware identical. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 22:43:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSjek-0001c7-Ow-0001cX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:43:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSjek-0001c7-Ow; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:40:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSjek-0001c7-Ow; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:40:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSjek-0002dI-Gk; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:40:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSjdR-0002MU-Dn; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:38:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PLc9A29124 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:38:09 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PLc7r29116 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:38:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [82.112.128.34] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.11) id AB58195010C; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:32:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:38:52 +0100 From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> you wrote: > . . . Photodesk is my most used application (after Zap). I have it > virtually permanently running here and it's never once crashed on > my Iyonix. Lucky you! > What are you doing at the time it starts crashing? - same as other people - Some memory-hungry operation such as rotating a large image, but also sometimes other functions. I don't know if 'crash' is the right term, but everything stops working, and there is no way out other than to reboot, of course losing all work since the last save. It got better, but not perfect, when I took advice to alter some setting or other that I can't now recall. But just as a person with a bad back learns not to move in certain ways, so there are operations that I instinctively avoid now, just in case - In my case to reboot may be no easy matter. > The Iyonix is the most reliable computer I've ever used Well, if not running Photodesk, then yes, I'd half agree (if it turned on properly I maybe would - and if my mouse worked - perhaps these are not exactly reliability issues, but they're damn irritating). > I've never had any of the problems you report I'm sure that's true. But I hope you don't imply that I haven't either! > I've added new mice to mine. I'm on my third. I have come to the conclusion that the problems are probably not in the mice themselves, but somewhere within the machine. I have grown weary of appealing to Castle along the lines that I have a bum machine: they will never see it that way - or certainly they didn't in the matter of its starting up properly. Michael Talibard. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 22:53:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSjmQ-0005Ce-5M-0005Cv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:53:00 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSjmQ-0005Ce-5M; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:48:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSjmQ-0005Ce-5M; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:48:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSjmQ-0006c4-Dj; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:48:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSjmH-0000Rv-3Q; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:48:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PLlEa30713 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:47:14 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PLl9i30694 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:47:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSjlM-000C8s-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:47:09 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:45:52 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >machine: they will never see it that way - or certainly >they didn't in the matter of its starting up properly. I thought all this Iyonix start up trouble was well understood now - something like the PAL's have to be reprogrammed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 23:13:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSk1n-0006dO-7S-0006e4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:13:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSk1n-0006dO-7S; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:04:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSk1n-0006dO-7S; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:04:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSk1n-0004Jt-2w; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:04:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSk0u-0007aq-0O; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:03:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PM1Ni01151 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:01:23 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PM1Jc01134 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:01:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSjz3-000AXH-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:01:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:01:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4cb4d14c2blists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk>, michael talibard wrote: > Some memory-hungry operation such as rotating a large image, but also > sometimes other functions. I don't know if 'crash' is the right term, but > everything stops working, and there is no way out other than to reboot, > of course losing all work since the last save. It got better, but not > perfect, when I took advice to alter some setting or other that I can't > now recall. But just as a person with a bad back learns not to move in > certain ways, so there are operations that I instinctively avoid now, > just in case - Odd! If you've got a sequence of events which will crash it (or cause it to lock up) everytime, then you'd be more than welcome to email me the sequence and I'll test it out here. Out of interest, how much memory do you have in the Iyonix, and what other apps are running at the same time? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ My country is the world and my religion is to do good. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 23:13:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSk8X-0007gv-5M-0007hT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:13:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSk8X-0007gv-5M; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:11:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSk8X-0007gv-5M; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:11:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSk8X-0006dN-GK; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:11:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSk8P-0002s6-8A; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:10:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PM9jX02662 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:09:45 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PM9ex02643 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:09:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [82.112.128.34] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.11) id A2BD7B10110; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:03:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:10:24 +0100 From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > I thought all this Iyonix start up trouble was well understood now - > something like the PAL's have to be reprogrammed. Yes, I got the impression that Castle understood it all right. Even that they might do something about it at some unspecified future date. I'm not holding my breath. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 23:23:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSkHo-0000F1-Em-0000FT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:23:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSkHo-0000F1-Em; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:20:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSkHo-0000F1-Em; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:20:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSkHo-0004gG-Ah; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:20:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSkHR-0003wU-T5; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:20:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PMK8p04511 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:20:08 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PMK6r04491 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:20:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSkHG-0005om-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:20:06 +0200 Received: from [62.246.51.247] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSkHF-0004td-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:20:05 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:19:53 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <99f7d2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <37adcab44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <37adcab44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <37adcab44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> Jeremy Brayshaw wrote: > In message you wrote: > > Why should you want pictures of that size in your document? > > > > Crop the area of the picture to the required size and reduce the dpi of > > the picture to around 150. > > > > That is plenty of resolution even for imagesetters and you will get > > better printouts from laser or inkjets anything over 150 dpi is a waste > > of resources. > > > > Thanks, Tony, but if I am to enlarge a photo to A3, and if it is to be > 150dpi, then it must be around 2500 pixels by 1750 pixels (according to > my maths, which may be a bit rusty!). The camera is set to take pictures > at 2560 x 1920. So to achieve the resolution you suggest (which I agree > is a minimum for top quality printouts at A3 size) then I am already > taking them in the minimum resolution I can - which gives file sizes of > around 3Mb per photo! Yes, fine, but surely, if you have four photographs on one page, then you do not need each one to be at A3 - unless you are printing some really large format poster? What Tony suggested was to create lower resolution versions of the photos for use at standard sizes, e.g., in the document you are creating. This will also keep the size of the document down. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 23:23:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSkHo-00035w-LV-00036R."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:23:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSkHo-00035w-LV; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:20:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSkHo-00035w-LV; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:20:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSkHo-0004gL-CK; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:20:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSkHf-0006v7-EG; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:20:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PMK7U04504 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:20:07 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PMK6904486 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:20:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSkHF-0005mU-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:20:05 +0200 Received: from [62.246.51.247] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSkHE-0004td-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:20:05 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:16:45 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> michael talibard wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > > I thought all this Iyonix start up trouble was well understood now - > > something like the PAL's have to be reprogrammed. > > Yes, I got the impression that Castle understood it all right. > Even that they might do something about it at some > unspecified future date. I'm not holding my breath. They have started doing something about it months ago. For instance, by offering to fix your machine free of charge. Maybe, rather than complaining about the problem in public, you may want to take up their offer? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 23:33:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSkPo-0001kD-86-0001kh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:33:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSkPo-0001kD-86; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:28:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSkPo-0001kD-86; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:28:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSkPo-0005AG-BR; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:28:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSkPg-0005yf-GL; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:28:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PMSbY06030 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:28:37 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PMSXP06017 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:28:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [82.112.128.34] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.11) id A72B1B3010C; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:22:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:29:11 +0100 From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> you wrote: > They have started doing something about it months ago. > For instance, by offering to fix your machine free of charge. Thank you, this is good news - it wasn't so when last I spoke to them. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue May 25 23:43:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSkTl-0001a3-4E-0001aW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:43:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSkTl-0001a3-4E; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:33:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSkTl-0001a3-4E; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:33:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSkTl-0003ft-4R; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:33:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSkTb-0005qL-4S; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:32:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PMWdu06764 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:32:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PMWa306748 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:32:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=anonymous) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSkTL-0000kF-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:32:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:32:19 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4cb4d41afalists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , michael talibard wrote: > Thank you, this is good news - it wasn't so when last I spoke to them. That must be several months ago then. They've been doing free updates for people since the Southeast show last year! -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 01:03:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSlp9-0001QZ-Rf-0001Qv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 01:03:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSlp9-0001QZ-Rf; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:59:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSlp9-0001QZ-Rf; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:59:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSlp9-00039M-Cw; Tue, 25 May 2004 23:59:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSlp1-0006QX-6S; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:59:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4PNwme21532 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:58:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4PNwmF21528 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:58:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSlol-0007mZ-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 May 2004 00:58:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:58:43 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4104dcb44c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <4cb4d41afalists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4cb4d41afalists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 25 May, Paul Vigay wrote: > In article , > michael talibard wrote: > > > Thank you, this is good news - it wasn't so when last I spoke to them. > > That must be several months ago then. They've been doing free updates for > people since the Southeast show last year! And I had mine done in London last week. Mind you I did have to bring it over at my expense but the ROUGOL meeting was worth going to anyway. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 14:27:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSsEg-0002W9-Pc-0002Wl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:27:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSsEg-0002W9-Pc; Wed, 26 May 2004 06:49:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSsEg-0002W9-Pc; Wed, 26 May 2004 06:49:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSsEg-0003PF-Lf; Wed, 26 May 2004 06:49:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSsEW-0004om-P4; Wed, 26 May 2004 07:49:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4Q6nHv07192 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 07:49:17 +0100 Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4Q6nB507168 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 07:49:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Dad (adsl213-218-195-186.as15444.net [213.218.195.186]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i4Q6Xu718692 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 07:33:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:48:59 +0100 From: Jeremy Brayshaw To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <37adcab44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <99f7d2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <99f7d2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> X-Organization: PressXpress User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <99f7d2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> you wrote: > In message <37adcab44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> > Jeremy Brayshaw wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > > Why should you want pictures of that size in your document? > > > > > > Crop the area of the picture to the required size and reduce the dpi of > > > the picture to around 150. > > > > > > That is plenty of resolution even for imagesetters and you will get > > > better printouts from laser or inkjets anything over 150 dpi is a waste > > > of resources. > > > > > > > Thanks, Tony, but if I am to enlarge a photo to A3, and if it is to be > > 150dpi, then it must be around 2500 pixels by 1750 pixels (according to > > my maths, which may be a bit rusty!). The camera is set to take pictures > > at 2560 x 1920. So to achieve the resolution you suggest (which I agree > > is a minimum for top quality printouts at A3 size) then I am already > > taking them in the minimum resolution I can - which gives file sizes of > > around 3Mb per photo! > > Yes, fine, but surely, if you have four photographs on one page, then you > do not need each one to be at A3 - unless you are printing some really > large format poster? > > What Tony suggested was to create lower resolution versions of the photos > for use at standard sizes, e.g., in the document you are creating. This > will also keep the size of the document down. Yes, I think I did agree with this in my reply! If not, I certainly meant to! It's a very sensible and helpful suggestion thanks, for when I only want a 'normal' size printout with 4-up on an A4 page. Thanks! Jeremy -- ====---------------==================------------------------==== Jeremy Brayshaw Jeremy@Brayshaw.org.uk ====---------------==================------------------------==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 14:27:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSsbO-0003Xj-CR-0003YC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:27:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSsbO-0003Xj-CR; Wed, 26 May 2004 07:13:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSsbO-0003Xj-CR; Wed, 26 May 2004 07:13:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSsbO-00052y-LZ; Wed, 26 May 2004 07:13:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSsbG-0007xP-53; Wed, 26 May 2004 08:13:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4Q7D6n12235 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 08:13:06 +0100 Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4Q7D5e12230 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 08:13:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.202.122]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 26 May 2004 08:13:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:10:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4cb5038d6cIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2004 07:13:09.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5EC9D50:01C442F0] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk>, michael talibard wrote: [Snip] > it keeps (falsely) complaining that it had no keyboard connected, All this means is, at the time the keyboard is checked, it hasn't been recognised by the USB system. It usually occurs if you are using a hub as these are initialised later. > and I have yet to be supplied (at third time of asking) with a mouse > that works with it. It's unlikely the mouse is at fault although you haven't said what happens. Try the mouse on a native USB port rather than a hub, also give !HID a go as it takes control away from the OS USB Drivers. HTH, Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 14:27:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSxRo-0001Me-Ab-0001N9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:27:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSxRo-0001Me-Ab; Wed, 26 May 2004 12:23:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSxRo-0001Me-Ab; Wed, 26 May 2004 12:23:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSxRo-0005ok-3N; Wed, 26 May 2004 12:23:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSxRb-0004Du-Ig; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:23:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4QCMfZ13618 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:22:41 +0100 Received: from smtp18.wxs.nl (smtp18.wxs.nl [195.121.6.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4QCMeT13611 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:22:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp18.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HYB00KABMDSLB@smtp18.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:22:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:22:16 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4cb5201724paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > Plan B, is to convert your JPEG's to sprites, keep them on disc and load > into OP as referenced images. Why should they be converted to sprites first? I always use directly referenced JPEG images, and I never had problems so far. Or have I missed something (as usual)? As for Photodesk problems on the Iyonix: I've put Photodesk in my boot, so that it is permanently there, thus using low memory (or something like that - it was an advice from Spacetech). Anyhow, since then it never crashed again, or froze the machine. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 14:37:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BSyXF-00062S-E1-000632."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:37:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BSyXF-00062S-E1; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:33:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSyXF-00062S-E1; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:33:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BSyXF-00015F-28; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:33:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BSyWz-0005Wh-2h; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:33:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4QDWsa04044 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:32:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4QDWqd04033 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:32:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BSyWG-000PCN-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:32:32 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:31:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <4cb5201724paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4cb5201724paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Why should they be converted to sprites first? >I always use directly referenced JPEG images, and I never had problems so >far. Or have I missed something (as usual)? If it works (as it should) fine. I only said convert to sprites because the general tone of the discussion was that these were very large images and JPEG rendering was going wrong for them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 18:17:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BT1zQ-0007Zs-8l-0007aW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:17:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BT1zQ-0007Zs-8l; Wed, 26 May 2004 17:14:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT1zQ-0007Zs-8l; Wed, 26 May 2004 17:14:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT1zQ-0007l8-H1; Wed, 26 May 2004 17:14:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BT1JY-0007Yb-IX; Wed, 26 May 2004 17:31:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4QGVOu29327 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 17:31:24 +0100 Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [32.97.166.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4QGVNc29323 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 17:31:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from jacorn.attglobal.net (slip32-106-141-143.bar.es.prserv.net[32.106.141.143]) by attglobal.net (out2) with SMTP id <200405261631172020523i8he>; Wed, 26 May 2004 16:31:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:30:31 +0200 From: James K White To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> X-Organization: Spanish Oakseed User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> you wrote: > In message <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> > michael talibard wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > I thought all this Iyonix start up trouble was well understood now - > > > something like the PAL's have to be reprogrammed. > > > > Yes, I got the impression that Castle understood it all right. > > Even that they might do something about it at some > > unspecified future date. I'm not holding my breath. > > They have started doing something about it months ago. For instance, by > offering to fix your machine free of charge. Maybe, rather than > complaining about the problem in public, you may want to take up their > offer? > I'm rather pleased to be reading this thread. Since I have an X100 bought at the Loxton Show, my startup problems were always unlikely to be fixed by the tweaks to the earlier machines being applied in various venues around the country, as by then these were already incorporated. So it's good to know that the problem may be solved by reprogramming of the PALs, as DP mentioned above. After testing components in the RPC (HDD CD and FD) or simply disconnecting others, I had come to the conclusion it was more likely the problem was either software (soft poweroff, or the HAL) or variation in the voltage supply that some component was picky about. I think it's good that problems and complaints are aired in open discussion, cetainly it's put my mind at rest. Strangely John Ballance didn't mention software as a possibility, just that it was a return-to-base situation. When the X100 does finally switch on (sometimes it takes all morning while I'm working on the RPC) it's lovely to work with, I have to say. But no way can I start serious work on it yet. James Mallorca -- 287Mz RPC with Access to 600Mz X100 Iyonix c/w RISC OS 4.39 -and- RISC OS 5.6, and looking forward to 5.9 :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 19:17:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BT2tO-0004JS-SQ-0004LR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:17:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BT2tO-0004JS-SQ; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:12:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT2tO-0004JS-SQ; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:12:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT2tO-00068w-FN; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:12:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BT2tB-0004m5-P2; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:12:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4QICGE21902 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:12:16 +0100 Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4QICG921899 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:12:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from peter (81-86-188-201.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.188.201]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CC0554C0042C for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:12:15 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <001c01c4434c$f8b8c290$c9bc5651@peter> From: "Peter Jennings" To: References: <84fa9eb34c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:12:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue > > BTW, no need to be using 2.67 anymore. > I've just gone back to 2.67 after upgrading to 2.74. I missed some of the applets -- in particular Quotes, which I consider essential -- among the few available 32 bit compatible ones that now have to be used (and which I don't otherwise need). Peter Jennings jennings@aaug.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 19:47:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BT3MY-0003eP-Bd-0003em."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:47:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BT3MY-0003eP-Bd; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:42:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT3MY-0003eP-Bd; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:42:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT3MY-0005ei-Bv; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:42:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BT3M9-0001XU-RT; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:42:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4QIgGn27479 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:42:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4QIgG827468 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:42:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BT3Lz-000HXh-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:42:15 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:40:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue References: <84fa9eb34c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <001c01c4434c$f8b8c290$c9bc5651@peter> In-Reply-To: <001c01c4434c$f8b8c290$c9bc5651@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've just gone back to 2.67 after upgrading to 2.74. I missed some of the >applets -- in particular Quotes, which I consider essential -- among the few >available 32 bit compatible ones that now have to be used (and which I don't >otherwise need). I think you've misunderstood. 95% of applets work on both 26 and 32 bit versions with no change. The short list of applets is of ones that don't work without being upgraded. Let me put it this way, *all* available applets can be used on both 26 and 32 bit versions. However about nine of them need to be upgraded, and those upgrades are available. Quotes is one of the applets that works with no change. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 19:47:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BT3NW-0000oV-Ik-0000p9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:47:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BT3NW-0000oV-Ik; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:43:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT3NW-0000oV-Ik; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:43:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT3NW-0006SG-EE; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:43:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BT3NM-0001r9-5j; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:43:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4QIhaY27727 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:43:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4QIha927721 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:43:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BT3NH-0001Pt-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:43:35 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:42:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> In-Reply-To: <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: charles hope In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Why should they be converted to sprites first? I always use directly > >referenced JPEG images, and I never had problems so far. Or have I > >missed something (as usual)? > If it works (as it should) fine. > I only said convert to sprites because the general tone of the > discussion was that these were very large images and JPEG rendering was > going wrong for them. A couple of years ago, I was getting a lot of unexplained crashes in documents with lots of pictures. Turning them to sprites first has completely rmoved the problem - just a sDavid suggests. -- Using an Iyonix, running RISC OS5. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 20:07:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BT3ht-0007mN-JR-0007mx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:07:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BT3ht-0007mN-JR; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:04:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT3ht-0007mN-JR; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:04:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT3hs-0006wZ-Ro; Wed, 26 May 2004 19:04:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BT3hi-0000DR-Bc; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:04:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4QJ4WR31523 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:04:32 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4QJ4WR31520 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:04:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BT3hY-000M0z-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:04:32 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 20:03:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> In-Reply-To: <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >So it's good to know that the problem may be solved by reprogramming of the >PALs, as DP mentioned above. I should say I was talking about the 'early' machines, the problems that came to light about a year ago. I've no idea about problems with new machines. Again going back a year, some of the boot problems seemed to be improved by changing the CD ROM drive, and there was some theory about which drive had to be master on the IDE bus. I've no doubt that software can make a machine fail to boot, but presumably that is trivial and not what we're talking about. All speculation, talk to Castle about it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 21:38:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BT594-0004CI-Lu-0004Cj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:38:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BT594-0004CI-Lu; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:37:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT594-0004CI-Lu; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:37:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT594-000605-Hf; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:37:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BT58s-0002Tv-HC; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:36:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4QKaUh18176 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:36:30 +0100 Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4QKaPl18156 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:36:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from peter (81-86-188-201.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.188.201]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 82B4E4C001A3 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:36:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000d01c44361$1c518610$c9bc5651@peter> From: "Peter Jennings" To: References: <84fa9eb34c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <001c01c4434c$f8b8c290$c9bc5651@peter> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:36:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> I've just gone back to 2.67 after upgrading to 2.74. I missed some >> of the applets -- in particular Quotes, which I consider essential >> -- among the few available 32 bit compatible ones that now have to >> be used (and which I don't otherwise need). > > I think you've misunderstood. 95% of applets work on both 26 and 32 > bit versions with no change. The short list of applets is of ones > that don't work without being upgraded. > > Let me put it this way, *all* available applets can be used on both 26 > and 32 bit versions. However about nine of them need to be upgraded, > and those upgrades are available. > > Quotes is one of the applets that works with no change. > Thanks for putting me right. I wasn't aware that any 26 bit were already 32 bit compatible so I misunderstood: This version is 26/32 bit compatible. This means that you must only use it with 26/32 bit applets, so after upgrading the main program as described below you must upgrade any of the following applets that you use. If a 26/32 bit version of an applet is not available you must remove it. I'll upgrade again right away. 8-) Peter Jennings jennings@aaug.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 21:38:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BT59D-0006k0-Ec-0006l7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:38:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BT59D-0006k0-Ec; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:37:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT59D-0006k0-Ec; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:37:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT59D-0000rT-Be; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:37:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BT58q-0000Jh-LE; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:36:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4QKaUB18174 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:36:30 +0100 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4QKaO818154 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:36:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-231-204.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.231.204]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEFE1C003E1 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:36:24 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:34:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4cb54d25e2steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 26 May, David Pilling wrote: > Again going back a year, some of the boot problems seemed to be improved > by changing the CD ROM drive, and there was some theory about which > drive had to be master on the IDE bus. "Theory"? I just mentioned that a common problem on PC kit with drive select was that it sometimes failed and that it slowed down start up slightly. People shifted to master/slave setup and many of the problems disappeared. There are other problems that can occur with mismatched controllers on the drives but I don't think anyone has had those problems with an Iyonix. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed May 26 22:08:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BT5aL-0004Qn-D6-0004T7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 May 2004 22:08:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BT5aL-0004Qn-D6; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:05:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT5aL-0004Qn-D6; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:05:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BT5aK-0003TU-S4; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:05:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BT5Zy-0001Xf-3p; Wed, 26 May 2004 22:04:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4QL3Lx23969 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 May 2004 22:03:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4QL3KV23963 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 22:03:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BT5YV-000IH9-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 May 2004 22:03:19 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:01:50 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <4cb54d25e2steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4cb54d25e2steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >"Theory"? Due apologies, I'm only rambling about my recollections of a year back. I say "theory" because I tried changing it over and it made not a scrap of difference - but of course my problems where elsewhere. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 27 13:18:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BTFEz-000598-OX-00059a."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 May 2004 13:18:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BTFEz-000598-OX; Thu, 27 May 2004 07:23:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BTFEz-000598-OX; Thu, 27 May 2004 07:23:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BTFEz-0004ER-CD; Thu, 27 May 2004 07:23:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BTFEo-0000gy-0c; Thu, 27 May 2004 08:23:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4R7N7117904 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 May 2004 08:23:07 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4R7N5j17894 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 08:23:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BTFEG-0002jm-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:23:04 +0200 Received: from [62.246.4.177] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BTFEF-00009q-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:23:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:15:23 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <8bd487b54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> In-Reply-To: <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> James K White wrote: > I'm rather pleased to be reading this thread. Since I have an X100 > bought at the Loxton Show, my startup problems were always unlikely to > be fixed by the tweaks to the earlier machines being applied in various > venues around the country, as by then these were already incorporated. > > So it's good to know that the problem may be solved by reprogramming of > the PALs, as DP mentioned above. I think there is a misunderstanding. The "PAL" and "jumper" fixes are for the standard Iyonix machines. I have never heard about any problems with X100 Iyonix machines. > I think it's good that problems and complaints are aired in open > discussion, cetainly it's put my mind at rest. Strangely John Ballance > didn't mention software as a possibility, just that it was a > return-to-base situation. Ah, so he already offered to fix it - so I cannot really see what this public discussion is about. Oh, and just in case you misunderstood the issue of "PAL" reprogramming: This is done with specialist equipment and it is very much a "return-to-base" situation. However, it is likely that your problem requires yet another fix. In any case, this is not really a topic for this list. The Iyonix list is the appropriate place. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 27 13:18:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BTJdf-0001DL-LZ-0001FU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 May 2004 13:18:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BTJdf-0001DL-LZ; Thu, 27 May 2004 12:05:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BTJdf-0001DL-LZ; Thu, 27 May 2004 12:05:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BTJdf-00028y-4K; Thu, 27 May 2004 12:05:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BTJdQ-0002L5-K6; Thu, 27 May 2004 13:05:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4RC4sb09570 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 May 2004 13:04:54 +0100 Received: from prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [32.97.166.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4RC4rh09563 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 13:04:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from jacorn.attglobal.net (slip32-106-141-214.bar.es.prserv.net[32.106.141.214]) by attglobal.net (out1) with SMTP id <2004052712044620104v5m1ge>; Thu, 27 May 2004 12:04:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:35:50 +0200 From: James K White To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <0f328fb54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <8bd487b54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <8bd487b54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> X-Organization: Spanish Oakseed User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8bd487b54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> > James K White wrote: > > > I'm rather pleased to be reading this thread. Since I have an X100 > > bought at the Loxton Show, my startup problems were always unlikely to > > be fixed by the tweaks to the earlier machines being applied in various > > venues around the country, as by then these were already incorporated. > > > > So it's good to know that the problem may be solved by reprogramming of > > the PALs, as DP mentioned above. > > I think there is a misunderstanding. The "PAL" and "jumper" fixes are for > the standard Iyonix machines. I have never heard about any problems with > X100 Iyonix machines. > so this is a first... > > I think it's good that problems and complaints are aired in open > > discussion, cetainly it's put my mind at rest. Strangely John Ballance > > didn't mention software as a possibility, just that it was a > > return-to-base situation. > > Ah, so he already offered to fix it - so I cannot really see what this > public discussion is about. Well, the subject of intermittent functioning was brought up in this list, DP even having a say. While I certainly benefitted from the discussion, it's probable I'm not alone. > Oh, and just in case you misunderstood the issue of "PAL" reprogramming: > This is done with specialist equipment and it is very much a > "return-to-base" situation. However, it is likely that your problem > requires yet another fix. Quite right, it's returning to base today :-) although JB was really happy for me to check it through thouroughly and I was happy to get _some_ pointers from this list > > In any case, this is not really a topic for this list. The Iyonix list is > the appropriate place. Which is where it started in the first place, with not a single offer of advice. FWIWW, I learnt more from this list, LOL end of OT James -- 287Mz RPC, RISC OS 4.39; but no Iyonix -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu May 27 16:08:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BTMPI-0000bF-GC-0000bt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 May 2004 16:08:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BTMPI-0000bF-GC; Thu, 27 May 2004 15:02:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BTMPI-0000bF-GC; Thu, 27 May 2004 15:02:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BTMPH-0001IM-OV; Thu, 27 May 2004 15:02:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BTGFe-0003zp-Oh; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:28:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4R8Roo03729 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:27:50 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4R8Rkj03699 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:27:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from modem-5.delaware.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.59.5] helo=localhost) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BTGEq-0003Ya-RV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:27:45 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:42:09 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Error in Search and Replace dialogue Message-ID: <05e237b54c.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear colleagues, In message Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Tue 25 May, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > > In article , > > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > > > I presume the action to follow is the Replace string which has to be > > > entered... > > > > But, wouldn't you expect the S&R to work and replace all of the targets > > with nothing, ie delete them, in this case? > > Only if you confirm such specific action in the following window that > appears after having hit twice. > > I understood Robin Phillips' question as "finding a certain string" > while editing. His question, I believe, did not concern 'replacing'. That is correct. John vV is right in saying that I was NOT doing any replacing, but only repeated searching (for a variety of strings) in the course of editing a lengthy document. The upshot was that (a) I can do that by remembering to hit return TWICE to do a Search with NO Replace, and (b) that Search AND Replace did work perfectly on my set-up. PipeDream I know nothing about, so I will now shut up, after thanking you all for useful comments! Best wishes, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT Phone: 0115 922 4930 http://www.beeston12.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat May 29 14:02:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BU2En-0001Nr-CW-0001Oo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 29 May 2004 14:02:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BU2En-0001Nr-CW; Sat, 29 May 2004 11:42:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BU2En-0001Nr-CW; Sat, 29 May 2004 11:42:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BU2En-00030f-Ml; Sat, 29 May 2004 11:42:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BU2Ee-0005KN-4e; Sat, 29 May 2004 12:42:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4TBg9e30342 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 29 May 2004 12:42:09 +0100 Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4TBg6f30332 for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 12:42:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-250-115.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.250.115]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CC64C00186 for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 12:42:06 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 09:11:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4cb694a014steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <0f328fb54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <8bd487b54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <0f328fb54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 27 May, James K White wrote: > Well, the subject of intermittent functioning was brought up in this > list, DP even having a say. While I certainly benefitted from the > discussion, it's probable I'm not alone. DP was commenting on a problem with the first 50-odd machines which were all set for Cable Select on the disc drives. The alteration I suggested cured one of the aspects of the start up problem. Various other aspects have been dealt with in other ways and not all machines have a problem starting even with the old PAL code, cable select, no capacitor on the reset line, etc. Mine for example still has the old PAL code ( I don't have the programmer available) but the other fixes are done on a just in case basis since I've never had any problems at all. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat May 29 14:12:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BU3c4-0000xf-7d-0000yN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 29 May 2004 14:12:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BU3c4-0000xf-7d; Sat, 29 May 2004 13:11:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BU3c4-0000xf-7d; Sat, 29 May 2004 13:11:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BU3c4-0003lV-6j; Sat, 29 May 2004 13:11:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BU3bm-0002pa-PT; Sat, 29 May 2004 14:10:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4TD9T418712 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 29 May 2004 14:09:29 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4TD9To18709 for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 14:09:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BU3aa-000O3H-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 29 May 2004 14:09:28 +0100 Message-ID: <836NhmAusIuAFwP$@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 14:07:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <8bd487b54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <0f328fb54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <4cb694a014steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4cb694a014steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >DP was commenting on a problem with the first 50-odd machines which were >all set for Cable Select on the disc drives. Yep there was that, and there was an idea that the drive on the end of the cable had to be the master. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 1 19:18:55 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BU7fe-00010h-9B-00011B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:18:55 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BU7fe-00010h-9B; Sat, 29 May 2004 17:30:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BU7fe-00010h-9B; Sat, 29 May 2004 17:30:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BU7fe-0004VT-LE; Sat, 29 May 2004 17:30:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BU6m4-0000r4-Da; Sat, 29 May 2004 17:33:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4TGX8327363 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 29 May 2004 17:33:08 +0100 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4TGX4T27350 for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 17:33:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC (81-178-233-74.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.233.74]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729D51C00170 for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 17:33:04 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 14:49:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4cb6b39bcdsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <836NhmAusIuAFwP$@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <8bd487b54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <0f328fb54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <4cb694a014steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <836NhmAusIuAFwP$@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > >DP was commenting on a problem with the first 50-odd machines which > >were all set for Cable Select on the disc drives. > Yep there was that, and there was an idea that the drive on the end of > the cable had to be the master. Hmmm. I remember somebody suggesting that, but since I've never seen that positioning situation make an iota of difference on a PeeCee (not on IDE anyway) I put that suggestion in the file along with designs for dehydrated water. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 1 19:19:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BUTqp-0000BA-Rl-0000Bl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:19:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BUTqp-0000BA-Rl; Sun, 30 May 2004 17:12:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BUTqp-0000BA-Rl; Sun, 30 May 2004 17:11:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BUTqp-0002ml-EB; Sun, 30 May 2004 17:11:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BUTqW-0004kt-0c; Sun, 30 May 2004 18:11:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4UHAxQ14347 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 30 May 2004 18:10:59 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4UHAs614311 for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 18:10:54 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BUTpZ-000Odh-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 30 May 2004 18:10:47 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:07:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Gerald L Fitton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <8bd487b54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <0f328fb54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <4cb694a014steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <836NhmAusIuAFwP$@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cb6b39bcdsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4cb6b39bcdsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 S Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sat, 29 May 2004, 14:49:46, Steven Pampling wrote: >On 29 May, David Pilling wrote: >> >DP was commenting on a problem with the first 50-odd machines which >> >were all set for Cable Select on the disc drives. > >> Yep there was that, and there was an idea that the drive on the end of >> the cable had to be the master. > >Hmmm. I remember somebody suggesting that, but since I've never seen that >positioning situation make an iota of difference on a PeeCee (not on IDE >anyway) I put that suggestion in the file along with designs for dehydrated >water. I encountered this 'problem' on a Compaq machine when I changed from the last cable plug to the other one. The Compaq failed to see the one and only drive until I forced it to do so. I found the easiest solution was to use the final plug but, just for fun about a week ago, I did change the jumper to 'master' and then tried the 'other' cable plug. That did work but failed again when I put the jumper back to CS. Gerald -- Gerald L Fitton Swindon GB-SN2 7QA -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 1 19:19:08 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BUiyQ-0005jA-Qf-0005jn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:19:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BUiyQ-0005jA-Qf; Mon, 31 May 2004 09:20:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BUiyQ-0005jA-Qf; Mon, 31 May 2004 09:20:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BUiyQ-0006GW-01; Mon, 31 May 2004 09:20:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BUiy4-0006sf-77; Mon, 31 May 2004 10:20:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i4V9Jop13237 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 31 May 2004 10:19:50 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4V9JlZ13224 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 10:19:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([80.1.151.118]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040531091920.GNTP19746.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 10:19:20 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 10:21:33 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OP Impression filter Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.04) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have just acquired ArtWorks 2.22. The manuals are available on the CD in PDF and in Impression format. I converted the ArtWorks 1 manual from Impression to OP with no problem, but when I tried to convert the Art- Works 2 manual (the one with the file name AW2Manl on the CD), I got the error 'Unknown object at 55468' and nothing was produced. I have the latest version of the AWViewer in !Boot.Resourses. Is this a problem with the Impression filter for OP? If so, is there a there a work-around? Maybe if I could find out which object is giving the problem, I could delete it from the Impression file before conversion. If the answer is that it's nothing to do with the Imp filter, I guess the next step is the ArtWorks list. Thanks in advance, Ralph -- Ralph Stevens In leafy Epping -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 1 19:38:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BVE6D-0005Cb-9C-0005DE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:38:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BVE6D-0005Cb-9C; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:34:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVE6D-0005Cb-9C; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:34:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVE6D-000771-Lo; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:34:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BVE5o-0002kw-8y; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 19:34:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i51IXlZ14458 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:33:47 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i51IXjo14445 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:33:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-239.spectraweb.ch [194.230.8.239]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i51IXgfQ029584 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:33:44 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:29:43 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Impression filter To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon 31 May, ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com wrote: > > I have just acquired ArtWorks 2.22. The manuals are available on the CD in > PDF and in Impression format. I converted the ArtWorks 1 manual from > Impression to OP with no problem, but when I tried to convert the Art- > Works 2 manual (the one with the file name AW2Manl on the CD), I got the > error 'Unknown object at 55468' and nothing was produced. I have the > latest version of the AWViewer in !Boot.Resourses. > > Is this a problem with the Impression filter for OP? If so, is there a > there a work-around? Had same problem, but another number. > Maybe if I could find out which object is giving the problem, I could > delete it from the Impression file before conversion. Thinks... I tried deleting a few graphics from the manual, saved and tried anew. The error message changes every time with another number. Which makes me believe it has to do with the pic's in the manual. > > If the answer is that it's nothing to do with the Imp filter, I guess > the next step is the ArtWorks list. Or maybe a meeting of David and Martin? JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jun 1 22:48:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BVH6z-0002DX-8G-0002Dw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:48:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BVH6z-0002DX-8G; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:47:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVH6z-0002DX-8G; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:47:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVH6z-0005wo-8x; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:47:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BVH6p-0004Qa-Sv; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:47:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i51LlR917621 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:47:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i51LlNs17587 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:47:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BVH6R-000DVs-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:47:23 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:46:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Impression filter References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have just acquired ArtWorks 2.22. The manuals are available on the CD in >PDF and in Impression format. I converted the ArtWorks 1 manual from >Impression to OP with no problem, but when I tried to convert the Art- >Works 2 manual (the one with the file name AW2Manl on the CD), I got the >error 'Unknown object at 55468' and nothing was produced. I have the >latest version of the AWViewer in !Boot.Resourses. Have you got the latest version of the Impression loader? >Is this a problem with the Impression filter for OP? If so, is there a >there a work-around? As far as I know there are no problems with the Impression loader, but bear in mind the situation, I had to reverse engineer the file format, I don't have a nice book with it all written down. There are corrupt Impression documents around, at one point I considered writing an Impression document fixing program (this is for real some versions of Impression will crash on loading such documents). But it may just be a type of Impression document I've not seen before. I can have a look at the document if you like, but I did this work four years ago, so I've forgotten it all, and given the current position I'm unlikely to expend a lot of time now. Four years back I looked at all the problem cases and never came to the conclusion there was anything I could improve. >Maybe if I could find out which object is giving the problem, I could >delete it from the Impression file before conversion. Yes, that can be a way around the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 2 14:32:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BVO0f-0001HI-Pq-0001He."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:32:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BVO0f-0001HI-Pq; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 05:09:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVO0f-0001HI-Pq; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 05:09:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVO0e-000681-Ny; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 05:09:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BVO0P-0002YA-GR; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:09:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i5258Zl09595 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:08:35 +0100 Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz (bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i5258U909570 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:08:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (smtp-3b.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.212]) by linda-1.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0HYO00KEB0Y3S3@linda-1.paradise.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:08:28 +1200 (NZST) Received: from eyewear.paradise.net.nz (203-96-156-27.tnt6.paradise.net.nz [203.96.156.27]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDB9ADFA8 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:08:26 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:27:29 +1200 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] OPro s+r 'All Stories' To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4cb87401e7adamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) OPro 2.74, RO 5.06 Ctrl-C Ctrl-V allows me to paste text into the F4 'Find' box, but even though I tick 'All stories' it won't search all the document first time. If I do it all a second time it does. Is this happening with others? Might we have a history menu in each writeble icon? I sometimes resort to dropping all text into Zap where I can paste hightlighted text into it (with Ctrl-P). And it offers histories. However this workaround is not always appropriate with some OP documents, and anyway it's not a great solution. Brian -- B r i a n A d a m Auckland NEW ZEALAND www.adam.co.nz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 2 14:32:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BVVXc-0000tg-6r-0000wR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:32:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BVVXc-0000tg-6r; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:12:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVVXc-0000tg-6r; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:12:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVVXX-0005VZ-C5; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:12:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BVVX6-0002tJ-4L; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:11:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i52DBM200939 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:11:22 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i52DBJv00934 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:11:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-523.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.226.11] helo=rpc) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BVVWZ-0003Ry-9w for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:11:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:11:12 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <8b90c1b44c.alan@ntlworld.com> <816bc4b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4cb4ca24f9lists-NOSPAM@vigay.com> <3836cfb44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <6019d2b44c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <24aed2b44c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <75d136b54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <8bd487b54c.martin@bach.mw-software.com> <0f328fb54c.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <4cb694a014steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <836NhmAusIuAFwP$@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4cb6b39bcdsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > On Sat, 29 May 2004, 14:49:46, > Steven Pampling wrote: > >On 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > >> >DP was commenting on a problem with the first 50-odd machines which > >> >were all set for Cable Select on the disc drives. > > > >> Yep there was that, and there was an idea that the drive on the end of > >> the cable had to be the master. > > > >Hmmm. I remember somebody suggesting that, but since I've never seen that > >positioning situation make an iota of difference on a PeeCee (not on IDE > >anyway) I put that suggestion in the file along with designs for dehydrated > >water. > > I encountered this 'problem' on a Compaq machine when I changed > from the last cable plug to the other one. The Compaq failed > to see the one and only drive until I forced it to do so. > > I found the easiest solution was to use the final plug but, just > for fun about a week ago, I did change the jumper to 'master' > and then tried the 'other' cable plug. That did work but > failed again when I put the jumper back to CS. > > > Gerald I think this is the expected behaviour. If I understand "cable select" correctly, the two plugs are wired differently, so moving a single drive from one connector to the other switches it from being a master to a slave. Setting the master jumper will override this. The implication of this is that a "cable select" cable is different to a standard IDE cable, in which the connectors are wired in parallel. Can anyone confirm this? (I would expect to see two or three of the wires split out between the connectors, and twisted. At least, that is how it is done with floppy disc cables to enable the use of hard-wired drive IDs.) > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 2 14:32:52 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BVVcH-00014S-3G-00014s."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:32:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BVVcH-00014S-3G; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:17:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVVcH-00014S-3G; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:17:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVVcG-0007nh-Qk; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:17:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BVVbl-00060p-W8; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:16:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i52DGL802945 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:16:21 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i52DGK402941 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:16:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from user-523.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.226.11] helo=rpc) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BVVbP-0004tu-VA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:16:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:16:13 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <58e1bfb84c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <4cb5201724paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >Why should they be converted to sprites first? > >I always use directly referenced JPEG images, and I never had problems so > >far. Or have I missed something (as usual)? > > If it works (as it should) fine. > > I only said convert to sprites because the general tone of the > discussion was that these were very large images and JPEG rendering was > going wrong for them. > I also usually use referenced JPEGs. however I get the impression that converting them to sprites speeds up the rendering to screen, which can be significantly slow if I use too many for the picture cache. I am on an 80MB RPC, so I have the cache set to 40MB, which seems a reasonable compromise. OPro version is 2.73. I don't usually bother reducing the resolution, but that would also help the rendering time. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jun 2 14:32:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1BVVpA-0002xy-GB-0002zN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:32:53 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1BVVpA-0002xy-GB; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:30:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVVpA-0002xy-GB; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:30:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1BVVp9-0002nK-IS; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:30:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BVVog-0007Sw-Kh; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:30:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i52DTha08361 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:29:43 +0100 Received: from smtp15.wxs.nl (smtp15.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i52DTem08344 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:29:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp15.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HYO001G0O5F9J@smtp15.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:29:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:29:38 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Photos in Ovation Pro In-reply-to: <58e1bfb84c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4cb8c11be3paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.06) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <1536b3b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <3f19b5b44c.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <728fb6b44c.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <4cb5201724paul@delink.nl> <58e1bfb84c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <58e1bfb84c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > I also usually use referenced JPEGs. however I get the impression that > converting them to sprites speeds up the rendering to screen, which can > be significantly slow if I use too many for the picture cache. I am on > an 80MB RPC, so I have the cache set to 40MB, which seems a reasonable > compromise. OPro version is 2.73. > I don't usually bother reducing the resolution, but that would also help > the rendering time. But why don't you use proxies, then? Configure proxy settings in the Choices menu (icon bar) and don't forget to switch on 'Use Proxies' in the 'View Options' window (document - Ctrl-Shft-O). The rendered image on screen won't have the same quality as the original JPEG, of course, but rendering is instant, without the need to convert the JPEG to a sprite first (memory economics!). And the eventual print remains the same. Great option! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net