From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 13:48:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AmtAG-0002hH-9n-0002ho."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:48:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AmtAG-0002hH-9n; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmtAG-0002hH-9n; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmtAF-0001ZF-Ph; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AmtAB-00046x-Aw; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VBJIQ16337 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:18 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VBJIw16333 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Amt9h-0007og-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:19:17 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Amt9h-0001zO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:19:17 +0100 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:19:31 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Hanging indent Message-ID: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? I want a paragraph that has its first line with no indent, but all remaining lines indented to the right. I tried a left indent of 5mm and first line indent of 0mm, but the 0mm is only relative to the 5mm, so all lines are equally indented. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 13:48:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AmuPZ-0002Et-JJ-0002FY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:48:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AmuPZ-0002Et-JJ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:39:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmuPZ-0002Et-JJ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:39:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmuPX-0006bK-7O; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:39:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AmuOr-0007jV-1X; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:39:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VCcVX21764 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:38:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VCcUD21750 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:38:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=RiscPC) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AmuOL-000LF9-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:38:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:25:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hanging indent Message-ID: <4c79636d6acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk>, Sendu Bala wrote: > How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? I want a paragraph that has its > first line with no indent, but all remaining lines indented to the > right. I tried a left indent of 5mm and first line indent of 0mm, but > the 0mm is only relative to the 5mm, so all lines are equally indented. OvPro manual p 63. Fig 5.29 shows exactly what you are describing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 13:48:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AmuYg-0001R2-Az-0001RQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:48:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AmuYg-0001R2-Az; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:49:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmuYg-0001R2-Az; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:49:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmuYg-0000US-32; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:49:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AmuYR-0007ZB-AY; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:48:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VCmkd25813 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:48:46 GMT Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VCmjT25808 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:48:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (81-178-222-212.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.222.212]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D94E1C0033A for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:48:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:52:41 GMT From: Paul Horth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hanging indent Message-ID: <19e865794c.paul.horth@asgo03.pipex.com> References: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> you wrote: > How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? I want a paragraph that has its > first line with no indent, but all remaining lines indented to the > right. I tried a left indent of 5mm and first line indent of 0mm, but > the 0mm is only relative to the 5mm, so all lines are equally indented. Left indent of 5mm and 1st indent of -5mm works for me. -- Paul Horth on an Iyonix RISC PC: British, non-Micro$oft, fast, fun and virus-resistant. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 13:48:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AmubL-0007is-H8-0007kv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:48:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AmubL-0007is-H8; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmubL-0007is-H8; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmubK-0006tA-2M; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AmubH-00029X-HX; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VCpkd26697 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:46 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VCpkA26694 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:51:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AmubB-0006FY-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:51:45 +0100 Received: from [172.184.22.45] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AmubB-0005Hn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:51:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:50:11 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hanging indent Message-ID: <86ad65794c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Sendu Bala wrote: > How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? I want a paragraph that has its > first line with no indent, but all remaining lines indented to the > right. I tried a left indent of 5mm and first line indent of 0mm, but > the 0mm is only relative to the 5mm, so all lines are equally indented. Try a first indent of -5mm instead of 0mm. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 14:48:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AmwKg-0003kn-EB-0003lP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:48:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AmwKg-0003kn-EB; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:42:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmwKg-0003kn-EB; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:42:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AmwKg-0005y8-4v; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:42:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AmwKI-0004uc-93; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:42:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VEXpk10635 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:33:51 GMT Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VEXoh10629 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:33:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HSC00FIKZ05WR@smtp03.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:31:22 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:33:12 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Hanging indent In-reply-to: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c796f1bf8paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? In a style: - Click Style -> Edit Style - Click on Tabs/ - Drag the first line indent (the lower 'flag' at the left hand side) to 5 mm. - (Put also a left tab there, for special cases) - Click OK etc. In local circumstances: - Press Ctrl-Tab - Repeat the process described above Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 31 23:18:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1An4Ne-0007MR-Fz-0007P8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1An4Ne-0007MR-Fz; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1An4Ne-0007MR-Fz; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1An4Ne-0000Mr-PI; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1An4Na-0003V0-Sn; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0VNI9817086 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0VNI8K17063 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1An4NM-0001Zk-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:18:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:16:33 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] footnotes References: <8b605d794c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c796f1bf8paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4c796f1bf8paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Robert Hunter I want to give details of references at the bottom of pages on which they are cited ie sequentially numbered footnotes. I have tried the Manual and the Applets website but can see nothing. Can anyone kindly advise if, and if so how, this can be achieved in Ovation Pro on an Iyonix using OP 2.72, please? TIA -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 18:39:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Anisv-0000dh-4s-0000eY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:39:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Anisv-0000dh-4s; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:33:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anisv-0000dh-4s; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:33:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anisv-00025N-9y; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:33:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Anisk-0005kD-Is; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:33:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12IU9i09773 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:30:09 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12IU5U09743 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:30:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-2-dialup-179.spectraweb.ch [194.230.117.179]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i12IU3a8022481 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:30:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:29:23 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hanging indent To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c796f1bf8paul@delink.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sat 31 Jan, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > > How do you do a hanging indent in OPro? > > In a style: > - Click Style -> Edit Style > - Click on Tabs/ > - Drag the first line indent (the lower 'flag' at the left hand side) to > 5 mm. > - (Put also a left tab there, for special cases) I understand the reasoning for the last sentence, but believe setting a left tab at the same position of the 'Left indent' is *not* needed. If you have a paragraph of several lines starting with a hanging indent and decide you want a new paragraph added to the same topic, just hit Return followed by Tab. In other words: after a 'Return' the 'Left indent' tab acts as a 'Left tab'. (With hanging indents only.) > - Click OK etc. > > In local circumstances: > - Press Ctrl-Tab > - Repeat the process described above Especially when handling larger documents with indents I strongly advise using Styles and never Effects for text lay out. Even if this means that you initially have to create several "Indent Styles" for your document. This way you can, once your document has been fully created, try out the different "Indent Styles" on the different paragraphs having indents and possibly one or more addtional following (left/centre/right) tabs. And see what your document looks like. Impossible when using 'Effects'. And then decide which (modified) Indent styles you maintain so as to have a uniform lay out of your document. greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 19:49:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ank26-0005O0-FG-0005Oe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:49:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ank26-0005O0-FG; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:46:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ank26-0005O0-FG; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:46:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ank26-00011S-9J; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:46:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ank1x-00036k-Df; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:46:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12JkX114662 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:46:33 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12JkWn14654 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:46:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.209] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ank1g-0001dr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:46:32 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ank1f-0003Jp-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:46:31 +0100 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:46:53 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, (applogies if this turns out to be a ps2pdf problem, but I don't know) Using OvnPro v2.70 on an Iyonix. Printers v1.67 with supplied PoScript2 printer driver. GView v1.40. ps2pdf v.004 I have a document (using mostly trinity medium, with bold and italic usage) that looks fine in the Ovation window, but when I print it to postscript some of the letter positions get a little screwy. On conversion to pdf they look screwier, and on printing (from Acrobat under Widows) some of the letters are even out-right missing. For example... I didn't keep the postscript file, but had looked at it in GView: http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_odd.pdf At the bottom of page 2 you'll see (c) in bold, where the c has drifted into the left-hand bracket. I saw this same effect in GView. On page 4 some of the long words closest to the picture (amplified, amplification, non-specific... infact all words with 'fi') display oddly in the pdf and print out with a small space after the 'fi'. In the case of the word 'Scientific', last line, last page, the 'fi' once again displays oddly, but fails to print at all, leaving just a space. (I can't spot anything odd about the 'fi's with GView.) Can anyone explain what's going on, and how I avoid this? Having edited the document in OvnPro and reprinted (things having moved) the (c) seems better, but I'm still getting the 'fi' problem. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 20:09:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AnkLi-0004Pq-Sg-0004R8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:09:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AnkLi-0004Pq-Sg; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:07:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnkLi-0004Pq-Sg; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:07:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnkLi-0002Ca-JT; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:07:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AnkLY-0007pC-7y; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:07:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12K6tB24355 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:06:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12K6s024346 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:06:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AnkLO-0004wS-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:06:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:05:52 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >oddly in the pdf and print out with a small space after the 'fi'. In >the case of the word 'Scientific', last line, last page, the 'fi' once >again displays oddly, but fails to print at all, leaving just a space. >(I can't spot anything odd about the 'fi's with GView.) The fi's may be being converted to fi ligatures, if you have that applet loaded - easy to check try sticking the caret between the f and the i. The c running into the bracket is unusual. Presumably it would not be hard to isolate those couple of lines in a separate document that I or all of us could have a play with. The typical escape route for OP here, is to try printing to another printer driver e.g. SPrinter (free utils, my web site), and see if things are OK on that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 20:59:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Anl8P-0006DB-4c-0006Dz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:59:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Anl8P-0006DB-4c; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:57:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anl8P-0006DB-4c; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:57:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anl8P-0001yP-3s; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:57:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Anl8C-0004bJ-OW; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:57:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12KvFr18984 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:57:15 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12KvEp18978 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:57:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anl86-0005P6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:57:14 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anl86-0005fT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:57:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:57:38 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 2 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >oddly in the pdf and print out with a small space after the 'fi'. In > >the case of the word 'Scientific', last line, last page, the 'fi' once > >again displays oddly, but fails to print at all, leaving just a space. > >(I can't spot anything odd about the 'fi's with GView.) > > The fi's may be being converted to fi ligatures, if you have that applet > loaded - easy to check try sticking the caret between the f and the i. Thanks, yes, it was ligatures. My document is now printing out and converting to pdf just fine. As an aside, what is the purpose of these ligatures? Why would you want all the fi's in all your words converted to these oddly-handled characters? > The c running into the bracket is unusual. Presumably it would not be > hard to isolate those couple of lines in a separate document that I or > all of us could have a play with. Well, while 'those couple of lines' are still in the document, unedited, I've edited other parts of the document with the effect that the (c) now appears a line higher than before. In this position it prints out fine... [later]... ok, if I add extra lines so that the (c) appears in the exact same place as it was, the problem reappears. Since it's position dependent, however, I'm not competent enough to isolate it without changing its position. I could snip all the text and pictures after it, but if I tried removing the text and pictures before it and inserting lots of blank lines the problem wouldn't reappear. So the most I could isolate was the first two pages: http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_prob.zip (144k) Again, the problem is a bold (c) two lines from the bottom of page 2. PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in the above document)? -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 22:29:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AnmT2-0006Fb-QL-0006GY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:29:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AnmT2-0006Fb-QL; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:22:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnmT2-0006Fb-QL; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:22:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnmT1-0000dk-UU; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:22:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AnmSw-0002sN-AX; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:22:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12MMcf27152 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:22:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12MMcS27149 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:22:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AnmSi-000OpK-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:22:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:21:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >ligatures? Why would you want all the fi's in all your words converted >to these oddly-handled characters? Others will know more about it than I do. It's a stylistic thing. >http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_prob.zip (144k) >Again, the problem is a bold (c) two lines from the bottom of page 2. Got it, doesn't go wrong on Windows, but I'll go try on an Acorn. >PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in the >above document)? Easy, use the page->delete page menu function. The interesting question is why do you have to. If a page contains nothing other than stuff generated by the master pages, it is usually auto deleted. If I add a frame to page 2, then delete it, pages 3,4 and 5 are indeed auto deleted. I wonder how you managed to remove their contents without that happening? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 2 22:39:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Anme0-0006zb-BZ-00070F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:39:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Anme0-0006zb-BZ; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:34:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anme0-0006zb-BZ; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:34:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Anme0-0001ao-9Z; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:34:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Anmdu-0004hy-AI; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:34:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i12MY5R01387 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:34:05 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i12MY4b01383 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:34:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anmdo-0003Q1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:34:04 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anmdo-0007OE-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:34:04 +0100 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:34:29 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 2 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >ligatures? Why would you want all the fi's in all your words converted > >to these oddly-handled characters? > > Others will know more about it than I do. It's a stylistic thing. > > >http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_prob.zip (144k) > >Again, the problem is a bold (c) two lines from the bottom of page 2. > > Got it, doesn't go wrong on Windows, but I'll go try on an Acorn. Thanks. Just to be clear, you don't see a problem when viewing in Ovation, only after printing it (to postscript is the only thing I've tried). > >PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in the > >above document)? > > Easy, use the page->delete page menu function. The interesting question > is why do you have to. If a page contains nothing other than stuff > generated by the master pages, it is usually auto deleted. Yes, that's the behaviour I was expecting... > If I add a frame to page 2, then delete it, pages 3,4 and 5 are indeed > auto deleted. I wonder how you managed to remove their contents without > that happening? I drag selected all the text from the last word on page 2 to the last word on page 6, then hit ctrl-x. Then I ctrl-x'd each picture on pages 3-5 in turn. And as you saw, the blank pages just sort of stayed there. Should I be using the delete key on the keyboard or something? -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 02:09:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AnpvA-0003Ea-4F-0003Fc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:09:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AnpvA-0003Ea-4F; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:04:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnpvA-0003Ea-4F; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:04:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnpvA-00010G-4N; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:04:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Anpv5-0001Da-RI; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:04:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1323xl06813 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:03:59 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1323wS06808 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:03:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anpuw-0003C3-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:03:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:02:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Thanks. Just to be clear, you don't see a problem when viewing in >Ovation, only after printing it (to postscript is the only thing I've >tried). Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). >> auto deleted. I wonder how you managed to remove their contents without >Should I be using the delete key on the keyboard or something? No, should happen however things are deleted. Probably a bug, however there are subtleties so I can't say for sure. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 13:58:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AnqoA-0007JR-8z-0007Kb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:58:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AnqoA-0007JR-8z; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:01:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnqoA-0007JR-8z; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:01:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AnqoA-0005pK-JD; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:01:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Anqny-0003uH-Mt; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:00:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1330Mg18211 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:00:22 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13303U18045 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:00:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AnqnB-0009OE-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:00:01 +0000 Message-ID: <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:58:28 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). I'm not sure if you've done this, but printing to PostScript and looking at the PS in GView would be an interesting test. If the PS gives the bad result, we could compare it with the PS generated on my Iyonix. If the PS is good, well the problem is outside OP. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 14:00:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao0EG-0006a3-DR-0006cl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:00:05 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao0EG-0006a3-DR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:04:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao0EG-0006a3-DR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:04:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao0EF-0005YB-Rp; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:04:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao0Dw-0005rv-Fz; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:04:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13D45X30931 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:04:05 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13D40M30860 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:04:01 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anvt2-0000O8-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:26:24 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Anvt1-0002Ul-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:26:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:26:45 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on > >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). > > I'm not sure if you've done this, but printing to PostScript and looking > at the PS in GView would be an interesting test. If the PS gives the bad > result, we could compare it with the PS generated on my Iyonix. If the > PS is good, well the problem is outside OP. Ughh, I could have sworn I saw the problem in GView, but looking now it seems fine. Looks like the problem is in ps2pdf. Thanks for the pointers though. I'll get in touch with Tim Nicholson. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 14:00:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao0sP-00015H-Ho-00016V."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:00:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao0sP-00015H-Ho; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:46:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao0sP-00015H-Ho; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:46:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao0sO-0001jN-Qv; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:46:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao0rc-0003Mx-3d; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:45:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13DjAd26717 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:45:10 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13Dj9R26706 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:45:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao0rU-0006Kq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:45:08 +0100 Received: from [172.180.38.90] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao0rU-0007nN-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:45:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:44:34 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Sendu Bala wrote: > On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on > > >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). > > > > I'm not sure if you've done this, but printing to PostScript and looking > > at the PS in GView would be an interesting test. If the PS gives the bad > > result, we could compare it with the PS generated on my Iyonix. If the > > PS is good, well the problem is outside OP. > > Ughh, I could have sworn I saw the problem in GView, but looking now it > seems fine. Looks like the problem is in ps2pdf. Thanks for the > pointers though. I'll get in touch with Tim Nicholson. No, there is no point in doing that. !ps2pdf is just a simple front-end for GhostScript. It is next to impossible that your problem has anything to do with the !ps2pdf application. The only thing !psp2df could possibly get wrong is the parameters it passes to GhostScript, but since there is no "please corrupt my ligatures" parameter it could have accidentally passed (and no other parameter that deals with font conversion), there is no point in bothering Tim with this problem. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 14:08:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao1DG-0001c3-9G-0001g9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:08:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao1DG-0001c3-9G; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:07:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao1DG-0001c3-9G; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:07:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao1DG-0006Y3-4a; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:07:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao1D8-0007j7-FX; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:07:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13E7Ld08577 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:07:21 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13E7Kn08572 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:07:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao1Cy-0004ME-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:07:20 +0100 Received: from [172.180.38.90] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao1Cx-0000ml-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:07:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:06:43 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <1e31f87a4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Sendu Bala wrote: > http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_odd.pdf > At the bottom of page 2 you'll see (c) in bold, where the c has drifted > into the left-hand bracket. I saw this same effect in GView. On page 4 > some of the long words closest to the picture (amplified, > amplification, non-specific... infact all words with 'fi') display > oddly in the pdf and print out with a small space after the 'fi'. In > the case of the word 'Scientific', last line, last page, the 'fi' once > again displays oddly, but fails to print at all, leaving just a space. > (I can't spot anything odd about the 'fi's with GView.) This is odd - the ligatures seem to be represented differently from the rest of the word. I have just tried it and but in my case, even PDF conversion of some text with ligatures via !ps2pdf worked fine - the result is perfect when viewed with !pdf under RISC OS and Acrobat Reader under Windows. To give us a clue, try the following: Print a single line containing ligatures from OvationPro to PostScript - preferably not just ligatures, but words containing ligatures, such as "amplified". Check the output with GView, convert to PDF, check the output with Acrobat Reader. Anything odd? If so, please let us see the OP file, the PS and the PDF. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 18:18:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao55s-0007kj-Bs-0007mU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:18:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao55s-0007kj-Bs; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:16:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao55s-0007kj-Bs; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:16:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao55s-0006aZ-B5; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:16:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao55i-00054f-34; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:16:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13IFvq31476 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:15:57 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13IFvo31467 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:15:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from du-005-0220.freeuk.com ([212.126.146.220] helo=localhost) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao55X-0007dk-Il for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:15:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:42:19 GMT From: Denys Wells To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OPro RTF import Message-ID: <53ee0b7b4c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm trying to load into OPro (2.72) a large table (5 columns, 200+ lines) produced in RTF format by a PC family history program. This goes into MSWord correctly as the formatted table, but I want to edit it in RISCOS OPro, so need to import it first. The file converts to DDL using the command line method suggested in !TransRTF help, but has lost all its tabular format when opened in OPro. Setting up apropriate tabs in the OPro document doesn't help, as the tab key seems to have a mind of its own: sometimes text is moved to centre of the line, other times it acts as a return key, moving text down the page. Has anyone successfully imported a RTF table into OPro, and if not are there any suggestions please as to how this might be done? In case anyone suggests trying CSV or TSV export from the PC program, this sadly does not work correctly from the particular program, otherwise I'd now have it in !Eureka. -- Denys Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 18:38:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao5L8-00034q-9A-00037l."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:38:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao5L8-00034q-9A; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao5L8-00034q-9A; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao5L8-0005qB-6o; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao5L1-0001mZ-K2; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:31:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13IVhA05192 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:31:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13IVh905183 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:31:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao5Ko-0000Is-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:31:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:30:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro RTF import References: <53ee0b7b4c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <53ee0b7b4c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Has anyone successfully imported a RTF table into OPro, and if not are there >any suggestions please as to how this might be done? General suggestion would be to check if there are tabs in the right places (view->options, invisibles), and then (having turned off invisibles) set up the tab rulers for the relevant area of text. Tabbed text tends to look a mess, all it takes is for the tab positions to be slightly different to what they were originally. Not a happy area, no tables in OP, no way I can modify the RTF loader. Both things I intend to sort out, but not for some time. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 18:38:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao5Lx-00069j-Er-0006Ag."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:38:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao5Lx-00069j-Er; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao5Lx-00069j-Er; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao5Lx-00043T-Az; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao5Lv-0007oS-21; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:32:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13IWlI05621 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:32:47 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13IWlo05617 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:32:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch ([194.230.225.249]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i13IWja8030071 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:32:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:32:03 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon 02 Feb, Sendu Bala wrote: > snip some > > > >PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in the > > >above document)? snip some more > > I drag selected all the text from the last word on page 2 to the last > word on page 6, then hit ctrl-x. Then I ctrl-x'd each picture on pages > 3-5 in turn. And as you saw, the blank pages just sort of stayed there. > > Should I be using the delete key on the keyboard or something? For text you can use the Delete key, for frames and/or pictures I generally use ctrl-k. Three things come to mind: 1. In 'General Preferences' (ctrl-P), have you set "Auto page delete"? 2. It can be that the pages which you believe to be empty after all the 'ctrl-x-ing' are not really empty. In the Macros menu activate 'invisibles' (it then appears on the toolbar where you can toggle it to be active or not) and then look if any tokens are visible on the pages you believe to be empty. 3. Set View so that you easily see the total of a page. Then shft-ctrl-drag from the top left corner of the page to the bottom right. If then any windows appear you know the page is not empty. Testing out this last aspect I also discovered that the PC equivalent for the Risc 'Enter' key (=goto next page/column) is 'Fn-ctrl-Return'. greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 20:18:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao6sT-0000QN-Hh-0000R2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:18:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao6sT-0000QN-Hh; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:10:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao6sT-0000QN-Hh; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:10:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao6sT-0006io-5K; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:10:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao6sM-0008H8-0d; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:10:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13KA9314139 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:10:09 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13KA8914124 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:10:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao6s3-0003jV-Me for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:10:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:06:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <4c7b1925cfgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Sendu Bala wrote: > >PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in > >the above document)? > Easy, use the page->delete page menu function. The interesting > question is why do you have to. If a page contains nothing other > than stuff generated by the master pages, it is usually auto deleted. > If I add a frame to page 2, then delete it, pages 3,4 and 5 are > indeed auto deleted. I wonder how you managed to remove their > contents without that happening? One way is to have a couple of frames on the master page which are linked and also linked to create an autolink chain. Then in the document add some text to the frames so that it auto creates more pages. Re-open the master page and delete the links between the frames. Back to main document and the text is now only in the first frame, with the overflow arrow showing that more text is hidden. But the significant thing is that the empty pages are not auto deleted. One other point: If the frames are re-linked (and chained) on the master pages then the overflow arrow isn't removed from the first frame even though the text reflows to the other frames. The way to remove the arrow is selected all the text, cut and paste it back into the same frame. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 20:58:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao7Zy-00039n-RI-0003CB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:58:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao7Zy-00039n-RI; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao7Zy-00039n-RI; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao7Zy-00060L-9H; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao7Zu-0000LE-CX; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13KtGI06248 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:55:16 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13KtFQ06243 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:55:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao7Zj-0007LZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:55:15 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao7Zi-0001NB-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:55:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:59 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> > Sendu Bala wrote: > > > On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on > > > >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). > > > > > > I'm not sure if you've done this, but printing to PostScript and looking > > > at the PS in GView would be an interesting test. If the PS gives the bad > > > result, we could compare it with the PS generated on my Iyonix. If the > > > PS is good, well the problem is outside OP. > > > > Ughh, I could have sworn I saw the problem in GView, but looking now it > > seems fine. Looks like the problem is in ps2pdf. Thanks for the > > pointers though. I'll get in touch with Tim Nicholson. > > No, there is no point in doing that. !ps2pdf is just a simple front-end > for GhostScript. In which case... is it Graham Jones I need to talk to? (my !GhostScr contains a folder called 7_03, so I presume I have the latest version?) > It is next to impossible that your problem has anything to do with the > !ps2pdf application. The only thing !psp2df could possibly get wrong is > the parameters it passes to GhostScript, but since there is no "please > corrupt my ligatures" parameter We're no longer talking about the ligature problem here... > it could have accidentally passed (and no other parameter that deals > with font conversion), there is no point in bothering Tim with this > problem. Here's my email to Tim, which might have been better sent to Graham?: http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/ps2pdf_-_odd.zip (345k) contains a postscript file (generated from an OvnPro print to the Iyonix PoScript2 printer driver) and the ps2pdf pdf generated from it. Two lines from the bottom of page two you'll find a bold c in brackets: (c). Using GView to view the postscript it looks fine. However in the pdf the c has drifted to the left so it overlaps with the (. Testing at my end showed that this effect was dependent on the positiong of the (c) on the page - I could only get this oddity to occur if it's that exact position. Have you ever seen something like this before? Could you suggest if there might be a problem in ps2pdf, or is there perhaps something odd about the postscript file that a look in GView doesn't reveal? Could OvnPro be causing the problem? -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 20:58:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao7aL-0005md-FZ-0005ng."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:58:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao7aL-0005md-FZ; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao7aL-0005md-FZ; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao7aM-0000oP-5y; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao7Zs-0001a6-AN; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:55:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13KtFi06245 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:55:15 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13KtFN06239 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:55:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao7Zj-0007sw-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:55:15 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao7Zi-0001NB-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:55:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:47:22 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <34df1c7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Mon 02 Feb, Sendu Bala wrote: > > > snip some > > > > > >PS. How do I remove blank pages from a document (as in pages 3-6 in the > > > >above document)? > > snip some more > > > > > I drag selected all the text from the last word on page 2 to the last > > word on page 6, then hit ctrl-x. Then I ctrl-x'd each picture on pages > > 3-5 in turn. And as you saw, the blank pages just sort of stayed there. > > > > Should I be using the delete key on the keyboard or something? > > For text you can use the Delete key, for frames and/or pictures I > generally use ctrl-k. > > Three things come to mind: > > 1. In 'General Preferences' (ctrl-P), have you set "Auto page delete"? I can't find any such option in choices from the iconbar, and if I hit ctrl-P it just creates a new empty page (the exact opposite of what we're trying to do). > 2. It can be that the pages which you believe to be empty after all the > 'ctrl-x-ing' are not really empty. In the Macros menu activate > 'invisibles' (it then appears on the toolbar where you can toggle it to > be active or not) and then look if any tokens are visible on the pages > you believe to be empty. David said he just needed to create a frame and delete it for the pages to disspear, so I assume they were truly empty. OvnPro just hadn't noticed. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 21:28:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao83E-00056Q-QR-00057F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:28:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao83E-00056Q-QR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:25:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao83E-00056Q-QR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:25:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao83E-0004oA-0M; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:25:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao82E-00060Q-Ht; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:24:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13LOaV18174 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:24:36 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13LOZZ18169 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:24:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao827-0007VK-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:24:35 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao827-0003bq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:24:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:25:25 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <1e31f87a4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <1e31f87a4c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Sendu Bala wrote: > > > http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_odd.pdf > > At the bottom of page 2 you'll see (c) in bold, where the c has drifted > > into the left-hand bracket. I saw this same effect in GView. On page 4 > > some of the long words closest to the picture (amplified, > > amplification, non-specific... infact all words with 'fi') display > > oddly in the pdf and print out with a small space after the 'fi'. In > > the case of the word 'Scientific', last line, last page, the 'fi' once > > again displays oddly, but fails to print at all, leaving just a space. > > (I can't spot anything odd about the 'fi's with GView.) [snip] > To give us a clue, try the following: Print a single line containing > ligatures from OvationPro to PostScript - preferably not just ligatures, > but words containing ligatures, such as "amplified". Check the output with > GView, convert to PDF, check the output with Acrobat Reader. Anything odd? I wrote 'Scientific amplified ligatures fififif' on one line. GView and pdf, at 100% scale, do what I assume is normal and slightly mess up the spacing between letters (by chance, I think, there was a slight space after the fi in Scientific, but not in amplified), but at higher magnifications, or when viewed with reader under Windows, there are no problems. Then I tried copying that string to give a couple of sentences worth of it, and made it flow against an empty frame (trying to simulate where it occured in my original document), but still no joy. As a sanity check I went back to my original file, used 'add ligatures' and printed the last page which had been a problem before. Still not reproducing the effect. As a final sanity check I printed all the six pages of the file above, and finally I reproduced the effect. It is bizarre, yes. I choose to print page 6 of a document in OvnPro, convert to pdf and the word 'Scientific' is fine. I choose to print pages 1-6 of the same document, just moments later, and on conversion to pdf the word 'Scientific' on page 6 has gained a space after 'fi'. > If so, please let us see the OP file, the PS and the PDF. This is beyond me, so all I can offer is the full 6-page document once again. This time I've included OvnPro file, postscript printout and pdf for completeness: http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_fis.zip (1152k) To reproduce the problem I suppose you'd have to have ligatures turned on of course, and maybe use 'add ligatures'. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 21:38:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao86q-0003ay-GJ-0003bt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:38:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao86q-0003ay-GJ; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:29:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao86q-0003ay-GJ; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:29:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao86p-00055Y-PP; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:29:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao86i-0006rR-3d; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:29:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13LTDl19819 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:29:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13LTDn19816 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:29:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao86b-000Pd8-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:29:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:27:59 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: <34df1c7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <34df1c7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I can't find any such option in choices from the iconbar, and if I hit Well you could find document preferences on the menus. The first thing I did was look if you had auto page delete on - and at least on the document on your web site, you did. >> 'ctrl-x-ing' are not really empty. In the Macros menu activate >> 'invisibles' (it then appears on the toolbar where you can toggle it to View menu... I also checked there was no text at all in the extra pages, control caret down and see where the caret ends up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 21:48:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao8KA-0001D3-3F-0001E1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:48:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao8KA-0001D3-3F; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:43:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao8KA-0001D3-3F; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:43:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao8K9-0000J1-Qs; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:43:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao8Jl-0001WR-4b; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:42:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13Lgij25092 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:42:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13Lghn25089 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:42:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao8Jf-000K8x-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:42:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:41:17 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: <1e31f87a4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_fis.zip (1152k) The .ps file in that does not show the ligature problem, and when converted to .pdf the ligature problem does not show up either - however I'm using GhostScript on Windows. The ligature problem does show up in your .pdf. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 22:28:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao8zl-00027j-Ga-00028X."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:28:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao8zl-00027j-Ga; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:26:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao8zl-00027j-Ga; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:26:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao8zk-00059i-Tv; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:26:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao8wI-00022x-Lt; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:22:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13MMVk18523 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:22:31 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13MMU818513 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:22:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao8w9-0005F8-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:22:29 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao8w9-0000hT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:22:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:23:18 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <1e31f87a4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_fis.zip (1152k) > > The .ps file in that does not show the ligature problem, and when > converted to .pdf the ligature problem does not show up either - however > I'm using GhostScript on Windows. And as I've said previously, you don't see the problem in GView under RISC OS either. > The ligature problem does show up in your .pdf. Martin, if you're still there, how would you interpret all this? Is it still definitately not a ps2pdf problem? Where can the problem possibly lie? -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 22:58:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao9TW-0006yZ-KL-0006zH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:58:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao9TW-0006yZ-KL; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:56:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao9TW-0006yZ-KL; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:56:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao9TW-0005rS-4E; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:56:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao9TQ-0005mf-Ss; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:56:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13MulV10242 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:56:47 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13MukL10199 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:56:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao9TJ-0008Uk-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:56:45 +0100 Received: from [62.246.13.66] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao9TH-0003Bd-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:56:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:38:24 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Sendu Bala wrote: > On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > In message <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> > > Sendu Bala wrote: > > > > > On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on > > > > >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if you've done this, but printing to PostScript and > > > > looking at the PS in GView would be an interesting test. If the > > > > PS gives the bad result, we could compare it with the PS > > > > generated on my Iyonix. If the PS is good, well the problem is > > > > outside OP. > > > > > > Ughh, I could have sworn I saw the problem in GView, but looking now it > > > seems fine. Looks like the problem is in ps2pdf. Thanks for the > > > pointers though. I'll get in touch with Tim Nicholson. > > > > No, there is no point in doing that. !ps2pdf is just a simple front-end > > for GhostScript. > > In which case... is it Graham Jones I need to talk to? Most certainly not. Nor is it me even though the executable you are using was compiled be me. The only people who would have anything to do with this problem are the GhostScript developers. > (my !GhostScr contains a folder called 7_03, so I presume I have the > latest version?) Yes, there is only one version of GS that runs on the Iyonix. > Have you ever seen something like this before? Could you suggest if > there might be a problem in ps2pdf, or is there perhaps something odd > about the postscript file that a look in GView doesn't reveal? Could > OvnPro be causing the problem? Well, I have not looked at the files, but from everything you have told us so far, the PS is fine. If it looks OK then, by definition, it is fine. The PDF conversion should preserve the way the document looks, otherwise it is broken. So, this is the fault of GhostScript and if you really want to track this problem down you need to talk to the GhostScript developers, but I do not think you will have too much success. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 23:18:47 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ao9gj-0006bT-9s-0006cL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:18:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ao9gj-0006bT-9s; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:10:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao9gj-0006bT-9s; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:10:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ao9gi-0002rx-TD; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:10:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ao9gd-0007hm-M2; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:10:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13NARU17403 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:10:27 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13NAQb17394 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:10:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao9gY-0001p1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:10:26 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ao9gY-0004ru-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:10:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:11:14 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> > Sendu Bala wrote: > > > On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > > > In message <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> > > > Sendu Bala wrote: > > > > > > > On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Understood. Printing on the Iyonix and viewing on GhostScript on > > > > > >Windows, again I don't see a problem with the (c). [snip] > > Have you ever seen something like this before? Could you suggest if > > there might be a problem in ps2pdf, or is there perhaps something odd > > about the postscript file that a look in GView doesn't reveal? Could > > OvnPro be causing the problem? > > Well, I have not looked at the files, but from everything you have told us > so far, the PS is fine. If it looks OK then, by definition, it is fine. > The PDF conversion should preserve the way the document looks, otherwise > it is broken. So, this is the fault of GhostScript This is where you loose me. I thought GView /also/ used GhostScript? If GView can get it right, why not ps2pdf? Or is ps2pdf using different features of GhostScript? Anyway, I'm certainly not going to follow this up myself. I can get good output, and if the solution is 'don't use ligatures and move things if things go wrong', I'll make do with that. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 3 23:58:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoAMy-0007hh-SR-0007jq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:58:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoAMy-0007hh-SR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:54:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoAMy-0007hh-SR; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:54:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoAMy-0005D4-KM; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:54:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AoAMa-0007fK-Mo; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:53:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i13NrjS04414 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:53:45 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13NrjZ04411 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:53:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoAMS-0007J7-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:53:44 +0100 Received: from [62.246.13.66] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoAMS-0002dq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:53:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:53:13 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <12e32d7b4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Sendu Bala wrote: > On 3 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > Well, I have not looked at the files, but from everything you have told us > > so far, the PS is fine. If it looks OK then, by definition, it is fine. > > The PDF conversion should preserve the way the document looks, otherwise > > it is broken. So, this is the fault of GhostScript > > This is where you loose me. I thought GView /also/ used GhostScript? If > GView can get it right, why not ps2pdf? Or is ps2pdf using different > features of GhostScript? Of course. GView tells GhostScript to turn the PostScript into a bitmap, i.e., interpret and render it. ps2pdf asks GhostScript to turn the PS into a PDF, i.e., a different vector representation. These two functions of GhostScript have little in common. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 01:38:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoBsF-0002oZ-MS-0002pV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:38:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoBsF-0002oZ-MS; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:30:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoBsF-0002oZ-MS; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:30:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoBsF-00064N-TO; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:30:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AoBrB-0005jV-Ln; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:29:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i141TPX29948 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:29:25 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i141TNE29943 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:29:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from rpc.OFFICE (ip219-88-211-20.kc.net.nz [219.88.211.20]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 7019D4012F5 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:21:35 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:29:04 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i141TPE29946 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk>, Sendu Bala wrote: > Anyway, I'm certainly not going to follow this up myself. I can get > good output, and if the solution is 'don't use ligatures and move > things if things go wrong', I'll make do with that. I can't resist having a look now. Interestingly, your dud pdf (the 1st 1) that stuffs up the (c) and ligatures (eg Scientific on pg 6) renders fine in Riscript. There appear to be some funny character substitutions going on in the font mapping (it's at about this point that Tonnie chips in...). It's like it's picking a character width from somewhere, and the actual character from somewhere else. For instance, I think your (c) problem is being caused by a peculiar ´ [alt-180] following the 3 at the beginning of the line. It's muddled up the character width and shunted the screen paint down till you've changed font (the bold 'c'). I'm guessing that when you get the 3' on a different line to the (c), things look ok. In !PDF that character is really wide; in Acrobat it's normal, but followed by a big space. As I say, in Riscript, character, space and (c) all as they should be. Similarly the ž in scientific on pg 6. !PDF renders it darker, like it's from a different font, but the spacing's ok. Acrobat renders it ok, but there's a space following. Riscript has character and spacing ok. Ditto for your last (Test/pdf) pdf as well. If you make the pdf with Riscript, all characters render well in all progs. Interestingly, the file size has gone up to 860k. If you make the pdf with GS on the PC, all characters render well in all progs, and this pdf is 1483k (but I could have converted at set to a higher res). So the postscript would appear to be fine. There is a difference though, between the GS's. RO is v7, Win is v8. What could be happening is that they're handling the mapping of those upper set characters in different ways. If the problem does lie there, then you may have to enquire of Graham if he's planning on updating the port... I don't know if anything can be done font mapping wise... Or buy Riscript. cheers: Tim -- de-Sig. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 14:01:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoIZf-0003Rc-3h-0003Sa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:01:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoIZf-0003Rc-3h; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:39:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoIZf-0003Rc-3h; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:39:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoIZe-00054f-Ti; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:39:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AoIZY-0007FS-Qr; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:39:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i148den29163 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:39:40 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i148ddE29159 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:39:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoIZO-0000DA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:39:38 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoIZO-0003Ym-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:39:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:40:34 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4 Feb, Tim King wrote: > In article <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk>, > Sendu Bala wrote: > > Anyway, I'm certainly not going to follow this up myself. I can get > > good output, and if the solution is 'don't use ligatures and move > > things if things go wrong', I'll make do with that. > > I can't resist having a look now. [snip explanation] Many thanks, at least I know exactly what to avoid now :) [snip filesizes] I've configured ps2pdf to do automatic compression on colour, gray and mono because it was creating really big pdfs before. No doubt RiScript and Acrobat would create even smaller pdfs with similar settings (if they have them?). > So the postscript would appear to be fine. There is a difference > though, between the GS's. RO is v7, Win is v8. What does RiScript use btw? > What could be happening is that they're handling the mapping of those > upper set characters in different ways. If the problem does lie > there, then you may have to enquire of Graham if he's planning on > updating the port... I don't know if anything can be done font > mapping wise... Or buy Riscript. I have RiScript and would love to use it. It's just not 32bit. Does Martin want to suggest if a switch to v8 could be the answer, and if it's ok to bother Graham now? Surely this would be of use to everyone if v8 has general improvements in handling like this. I can't be the only person to ever get odd results creating pdfs under RISC OS! Or if it could be the mapping issue, can somone suggest how I test that theory? -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 14:01:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoK2s-0002ti-9n-0002wh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:01:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoK2s-0002ti-9n; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:14:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoK2s-0002ti-9n; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:14:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoK2r-0001bj-PS; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:14:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AoK2k-00022c-Od; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:14:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14ADrO02756 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:13:53 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14ADqg02747 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:13:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=39583 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoK2Z-0007eU-WD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:13:51 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55557 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoK2Y-0001UT-EU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:13:50 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:12:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:29 AM, Tim King wrote: > In article <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk>, > Sendu Bala wrote: >> Anyway, I'm certainly not going to follow this up myself. I can get >> good output, and if the solution is 'don't use ligatures and move >> things if things go wrong', I'll make do with that. > > I can't resist having a look now. > > Interestingly, your dud pdf (the 1st 1) that stuffs up the (c) and > ligatures (eg Scientific on pg 6) renders fine in Riscript. RiScript uses installed RISC OS fonts to render pages, whenever this is possible. Trinity is always loaded. So, when the 4 basic weights of Times are mentioned in the .pdf, Trinity is used. Same way as it has been or is used in the original OP doc. > There appear to be some funny character substitutions going on in the font > mapping (it's at about this point that Tonnie chips in...). I did. By private email with attachments for the first .pdf. Main conclusion: I can NOT reproduce the error. It isn't only the (c), there is also a same kind of (e) on one of the next pages. Report in Acrobat for the faulty .pdf mentions 2 entries for Times-Roman and Times-Italic, meaning that there have been used 2 'sources' for these fonts: Standard Encoding with Embedded font (Embedded subset for Italic) and Custom Encoding with Embedded font (Embedded subset for Italic). For Times-Bold and Courier, only the default 'Standard Encoding' is listed. There is also a 'Type3' with Custom Encoding. I suppose for the headers. Type3's aren't listed by name. By letter, in this case A. In my (very small) xxx.pdf, there is only one entry for Times-Roman. Custom Encoding. When I use my own xxx.ps and make a .pdf out of it with RiScript or Distiller, the .pdf is smaller. For the .pdf lets the receiver deliver the *outlines* of the fonts to render the text. E.g. Trinity in Risc OS, in-built Times in printer, TrueType Times New Roman in Acrobat. In GS environment 'inbuilt' fonts of GS are used, that can be found in the fonts folder. Also in RISC OS these fonts consist of PC font files (.pfb, .afm, .pfm). But .... *metrics* are part of the .ps file, so this should also not be the problem in this case. And it isn't when I use my xxx.ps/pdf. > It's like > it's picking a character width from somewhere, and the actual > character from somewhere else. Like Acrobat reports: 2 entries for Times-Roman ... > For instance, I think your (c) problem is being caused by a peculiar ´ > [alt-180] following the 3 at the beginning of the line. It's muddled > up the character width and shunted the screen paint down till you've > changed font (the bold 'c'). I'm guessing that when you get the 3' on > a different line to the (c), things look ok. In !PDF that character is > really wide; in Acrobat it's normal, but followed by a big space. As I > say, in Riscript, character, space and (c) all as they should be. > > Similarly the fi in scientific on pg 6. !PDF renders it darker, like > it's from a different font, but the spacing's ok. Acrobat renders it > ok, but there's a space following. Riscript has character and spacing > ok. > > Ditto for your last (Test/pdf) pdf as well. As said, for a mapped font, the receiver has to supply the outlines and the way the not-standard ones are rendered. This is different or can be different for each program/device. ... > > So the postscript would appear to be fine. There is a difference > though, between the GS's. RO is v7, Win is v8. What could be happening > is that they're handling the mapping of those upper set characters in > different ways. If the problem does lie there, then you may have to > enquire of Graham if he's planning on updating the port... I don't > know if anything can be done font mapping wise... Or buy Riscript. I don't know specific differences between 7.03 in RISC OS (still available for Windows) and the 8.13 Windows version. What is clear to me is that GS and RiScript can render MORE glyphs than I can actually print with a mapped font. The outlines of these additional (or missing) glyphs have to be embedded to make them appear in print. I also have seen cases, where GS renders chars above 127 correct where as they don't appear in print. In many cases RiScript can make paths of 'deviant' chars - like Zcaron (part of Acorn Latin2) in a Latin1 environment- when it has to render a .pdf (not originally made in RiScript). Anyway, this doesn't solve the problem of Sendu ... Tonnie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 16:41:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoPxb-0003gT-6t-0003jX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:41:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoPxb-0003gT-6t; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:33:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoPxb-0003gT-6t; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:33:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoPxa-0002Fv-UA; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:33:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoPxT-0005dC-DJ; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:32:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14GWp008699 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:32:51 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14GWlU08672 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:32:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoPxG-0000yD-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:32:46 +0100 Received: from [172.180.89.117] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoPxG-0005l6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:32:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:28:39 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <9305897b4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <1e31f87a4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Sendu Bala wrote: > On 3 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > >http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_fis.zip (1152k) > > > > The .ps file in that does not show the ligature problem, and when > > converted to .pdf the ligature problem does not show up either - however > > I'm using GhostScript on Windows. > > And as I've said previously, you don't see the problem in GView under > RISC OS either. > > > > The ligature problem does show up in your .pdf. > > Martin, if you're still there, how would you interpret all this? Is it > still definitately not a ps2pdf problem? Where can the problem possibly > lie? In GhostScript, as I have suggested before. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 16:41:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoPxc-000734-5c-00076O."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:41:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoPxc-000734-5c; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:33:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoPxc-000734-5c; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:33:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoPxc-0001DJ-Ck; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:33:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoPxS-0003xO-ME; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:32:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14GWnW08686 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:32:49 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14GWlM08678 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:32:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoPxH-0008K9-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:32:47 +0100 Received: from [172.180.89.117] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoPxH-0005l6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:32:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:32:09 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Sendu Bala wrote: > I have RiScript and would love to use it. It's just not 32bit. Does > Martin want to suggest if a switch to v8 could be the answer, and if > it's ok to bother Graham now? Surely this would be of use to everyone > if v8 has general improvements in handling like this. I can't be the > only person to ever get odd results creating pdfs under RISC OS! I have not found any problems so far, but I will try with your file. As for porting version 8: Either Graham or I could do that, since Graham has been so kind as to send me his code changes and porting infrastructure to create the 32-bit version of GS 7.03. However, I suspect, it may not be a smooth ride to apply Graham's porting mechanism to the v8 sources so I have no idea when Graham or I will find the time to do this. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 19:01:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoS9f-0005bb-Ic-0005cP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:01:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoS9f-0005bb-Ic; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:53:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoS9f-0005bb-Ic; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:53:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoS9f-00051y-I9; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:53:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoS7P-0005nz-W8; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:51:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14IpEp18195 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:51:14 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14IpEL18187 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:51:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from du-005-0157.freeuk.com ([212.126.146.157] helo=localhost) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AoS7E-000Pqt-Ua for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:51:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:30:06 GMT From: Denys Wells To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro RTF import Message-ID: References: <53ee0b7b4c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >Has anyone successfully imported a RTF table into OPro, and if not are there > >any suggestions please as to how this might be done? > > General suggestion would be to check if there are tabs in the right > places (view->options, invisibles), and then (having turned off > invisibles) set up the tab rulers for the relevant area of text. > > Tabbed text tends to look a mess, all it takes is for the tab positions > to be slightly different to what they were originally. > Thanks for these comments, David. I discovered that although all text except the heading (correctly centred) was apparently left aligned, the whole text was subject to a tab at the page centre, as imported. By selecting all text, deleting all styles and effects, and then setting Bodytext Style to include suitable tabs, the text did make sense. It is now possible to get each of the 200+ lines suitably tabbed, but it is a tedious job, as not all the text is in quite the right order, and line breaks are often in the wrong places. At least !TransRTF gets rid of all the rubbish in the RTF file (but also loses the line characters in the table). I tried Tim Powys-Lybbe's suggestion of importing the RTF into Impression, using its RTFLoader, but this resulted in all the rubbish being there as well as the disjointed text: thanks for the idea, Tim, but it seems simpler to stick with the DDL in OPro. > Not a happy area, no tables in OP, no way I can modify the RTF loader. > Both things I intend to sort out, but not for some time. > I look forward to it when you do have the time :) -- Denys Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 19:11:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoSI9-0007A9-M7-0007Aa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:11:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoSI9-0007A9-M7; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:02:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoSI9-0007A9-M7; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:02:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoSI9-0007LM-M2; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:02:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoSHu-0008MS-BU; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:02:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14J24V23685 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:02:04 GMT Received: from dinopsis.arachsys.net (dinopsis.arachsys.net [212.74.117.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14J1ug23607 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:01:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from du-040-0246.access.clara.net ([217.158.116.246] helo=lab) by dinopsis.arachsys.net with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoSHZ-0002EG-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:01:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:39:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] coppiers fax scan machines Message-ID: <4c7b89fa4drichard@4qd.org> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm looking for a multi purpose fax scan etc machine to work with a risc pc does anyone know of one? Mary Torrens -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www sites http://www.4QD.co.uk http://www.4QDtec.com http://www.4QD.org All email addresses are copyright. Resale or use on any lists is expressly forbidden ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 19:51:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoSup-0006kI-3H-0006od."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:51:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoSup-0006kI-3H; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:42:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoSup-0006kI-3H; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:42:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoSuo-00043e-Sc; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:42:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoSu9-0003mD-Iv; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:41:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14JfZv08579 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:41:35 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14JfYD08566 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:41:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoSty-0008Oc-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:41:34 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoSty-0002Ds-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:41:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:41:38 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm a new user of OvnPro as some might have guessed. I've just finished reading most of the manual (I skimmed chapter 10 about pictures and skipped chapters 16 on) and have some remaining questions. Layout ------ I want to create two column pages with headers and footers defined on the master page. There should be default positions for diagram frames that can be wide enough to overlap two columns (but not all pages will have digarams). The text in each column should /always/ be fully vertically justified. Most of that seems easy enough to do. I'd use the standard things in the new document dialogue and then edit my master page for the headers and footers. For the default diagram frames would it be best to use guidelines? However the problem I'm finding is that it won't justify lines vertically if a frame (eg. if I make a local diagram frame) overlaps. The restriction is mentioned in the manual, but what is the reason for it? How else can I get vertical justification? I've tried playing with lock to the baseline grid, but that doesn't really do what I want (esp. if there are lines of different font size on a page). I used to manually fiddle with relative leading in Impression Publisher, but needless to say that was a nightmare! At least OvnPro gives me 'fit' type placement of the first line in a frame, which helps when it is opposite a subheading in the other frame and I'm using baseline lock. In short, how can I be guaranteed of text always starting right at the top of frames and always ending at the very bottom, no matter what else I may do on the page? If that's not possible, what's a good way of having something close? Oh, and if you're making use of the baseline grid features, how do you work out optimal settings for the spacing and origin if you know the font sizes on your page? Styles ------ Following on, I define my subheadings by having a large space before and a small one after. This looks good and works well (I hate the idea of using a blank line to separate things), but causes a problem if a subheading ends up at the top of a frame - I have a dreaded space at the top of a frame. Is there any way to have a style that says 'space before, except at the top of a frame'? Or any other way to acheive the same thing? How about super-advanced styles that can say things like 'normal text up to the first fullstop, then italic till the next full stop, then normal text but bold on the first number'. Basically I want to automatically and consistently style my references. Perhaps someone has written an applet for this task? BTW, does anyone know of an EndNote equivalent for RISC OS? My bodytext style is set to have a first line indent. However the first paragraph of a section shouldn't have the first line indent. This setup is easy to achieve in (*cough*) MS Word which lets you say what style follows another style. Ie. I'd have my subheading style defined to be followed by a no-first-line-indent-bodytext-based style, and that style in turn to be followed by the normal bodytext style. Is there any similar capability in OvnPro, or do I have to manually style the first paragraph in all my sections? Oddities -------- At one point I couldn't get view->grid->show baseline to do anything, but it seems fine now. What could I have done wrong? Sometimes if I've selected bunches of text and carry out an operation that causes the selection to clear there is a redraw error with the black of the selection being left up the left and right edges of the containing frames. You can't delete/copy a frame that has been linked to another, but why can't we adjust select all the frames in a link chain and delete/copy them together? As it stands you have to first delete each link, which seems unnecessary. If I place the caret next to a letter I can hit any two letters in quick succession and they will be inserted. I can hit backspace and space in quick succession and the letter will be deleted and followed by a space. But if I hit backscace and another letter (as if to replace the letter), the letter is deleted but the new letter is almost never inserted. The problem only happens if I type so fast that I press the new letter key before I've fully raised the backspace key (but I always give time to see that the old letter has been deleted before trying the new letter). This same effect is not seen in other progs (eg. StrongED), and is not caused by the backspace key somehow 'blocking' the letter keys - If I deliberately keep backspace held down and wait a little while (but not so long auto-repeat kicks in), I can enter a new letter. Misc ---- Where are choices stored? Where is the default style-sheet/document stored if I want to back it up before making big changes? There's an auto-save feature, but is there an auto-backup feature? I'd like multiple auto-backups if possible. Anyway, if you got this far I'm impressed and will reward you by finishing ;) -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 20:11:49 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoTFp-0005MR-3n-0005NU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:11:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoTFp-0005MR-3n; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:04:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoTFp-0005MR-3n; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:04:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoTFo-0000nk-K8; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:04:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoTFe-0006WY-Pw; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:03:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14K3hW16785 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:03:43 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14K3hT16779 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:03:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.105.234.234]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040204200330.UBUD13477.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:03:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:03:19 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.27 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="234449229--389085592--1718350780"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --234449229--389085592--1718350780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Sendu Bala wrote: > BTW, does anyone know of an EndNote equivalent for RISC OS? Yes - there's Citation, by Dr Tim Dawson (IIRC). I forget the URL, I'm afraid, but it was at the University of Cardiff site (again, IIRC). A net= search will probably bring you to it. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --234449229--389085592--1718350780 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAIVAIp6M/P/S/JWgRApAsAKCWBItlCilbFZzsYZR+ulUcr4qzVACfUr9W mTkW3QSRFCCl207OiEI5Xik= =D54q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --234449229--389085592--1718350780-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 20:21:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoTRQ-0001un-5p-0001wC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:21:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoTRQ-0001un-5p; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:16:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoTRQ-0001un-5p; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:16:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoTRP-0003ZY-U1; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:16:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoTRJ-0008Qo-L7; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:16:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14KFik21473 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:15:44 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14KFhi21467 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:15:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoTR1-0003We-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:15:43 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoTR1-0000QU-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:15:43 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:15:46 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4 Feb, John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, Sendu Bala wrote: > > > BTW, does anyone know of an EndNote equivalent for RISC OS? > > Yes - there's Citation, by Dr Tim Dawson (IIRC). I forget the URL, Thanks for the pointer. It sounds good (http://www.dawsontp.doctors.org.uk/), but isn't 32bit. It hasn't been updated since August 2000. Does anyone have an idea if Dr Dawson is still active in the RISC OS scene? Does anyone use it under Aemulor? I might have to get that so I can use RiScript as well. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 20:31:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoTa0-0003eO-3v-0003fX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:31:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoTa0-0003eO-3v; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:25:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoTa0-0003eO-3v; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:25:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoTa0-0002RZ-5f; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:25:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoTZJ-00020B-EU; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:24:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14KOAx24580 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:24:10 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14KO9M24576 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:24:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoTZB-0004fD-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:24:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:22:31 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] coppiers fax scan machines References: <4c7b89fa4drichard@4qd.org> In-Reply-To: <4c7b89fa4drichard@4qd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I'm looking for a multi purpose fax scan etc machine to work with a risc >pc does anyone know of one? I don't. Going back to the mid 90's supporting these seemed like a great idea. However despite a lot of effort HP would never reveal the command sets. There was always the notion that some of them might use a standard command set for printing and scanning, no idea if anyone every got anywhere though. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 20:31:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoTdi-0007Ve-6P-0007Wf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:31:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoTdi-0007Ve-6P; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:28:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoTdi-0007Ve-6P; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:28:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoTdi-0005X1-Ea; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:28:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoTdW-0002Nc-ND; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:28:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14KSZB26295 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:28:35 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14KSYl26289 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:28:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoTdS-000OIc-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:28:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:27:26 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro RTF import Message-ID: <48e29e7b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <53ee0b7b4c.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 4 Feb, Denys Wells wrote: > In message David Pilling wrote: > > > >Has anyone successfully imported a RTF table into OPro, and if not > > >are there any suggestions please as to how this might be done? > > > > General suggestion would be to check if there are tabs in the right > > places (view->options, invisibles), and then (having turned off > > invisibles) set up the tab rulers for the relevant area of text. > > > > Tabbed text tends to look a mess, all it takes is for the tab > > positions to be slightly different to what they were originally. > > > Thanks for these comments, David. I discovered that although all text > except the heading (correctly centred) was apparently left aligned, > the whole text was subject to a tab at the page centre, as imported. > By selecting all text, deleting all styles and effects, and then > setting Bodytext Style to include suitable tabs, the text did make > sense. It is now possible to get each of the 200+ lines suitably > tabbed, but it is a tedious job, as not all the text is in quite the > right order, and line breaks are often in the wrong places. At least > !TransRTF gets rid of all the rubbish in the RTF file (but also loses > the line characters in the table). > > I tried Tim Powys-Lybbe's suggestion of importing the RTF into > Impression, using its RTFLoader, but this resulted in all the rubbish > being there as well as the disjointed text: thanks for the idea, Tim, > but it seems simpler to stick with the DDL in OPro. Good idea while it lasted? No! A further thought is that some PC-based genealogy programs do export tab separated reports. Further one can export (not 100% successfully, I'll agree) from one genealogy program to another by doing so in the GEDCOM format. Specifically I do know that Generations Easy Tree will export any set of fields you care to name in TSV. There may be other programs that will do the same. So get the data into one of those programs? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 20:41:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoTk1-0002c1-9p-0002eK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:41:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoTk1-0002c1-9p; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:35:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoTk1-0002c1-9p; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:35:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoTk0-0002uc-FY; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:35:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoTjt-0006OQ-FJ; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:35:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14KZ3T29350 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:35:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14KZ2q29346 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:35:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoTjd-0009Ny-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:34:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:33:17 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >and footers. For the default diagram frames would it be best to use >guidelines? Guidelines to mark the positions - fine. I suppose you could have picture boxes on the master page, and push them to the back in the doc pages where they are not needed. >lines vertically if a frame (eg. if I make a local diagram frame) >overlaps. The restriction is mentioned in the manual, but what is the >reason for it? I couldn't do the maths. > How else can I get vertical justification? I've tried >playing with lock to the baseline grid, but that doesn't really do what I guess some would say that in a multi column layout, lock to baseline grid was essential - so that the baselines in both columns line up as they do in professionally produced documents. Given that you can forget vertical justification. >Oh, and if you're making use of the baseline grid features, how do you >work out optimal settings for the spacing and origin if you know the >font sizes on your page? You'd set the grid to suite the bodytext (probably the style of the same name, but the point size in which most text is). >the top of a frame. Is there any way to have a style that says 'space >before, except at the top of a frame'? Or any other way to acheive the >same thing? I read a review recently and a program had "space between" as an option. I don't know of a good answer to your question. >similar capability in OvnPro, or do I have to manually style the first >paragraph in all my sections? I fear so. >At one point I couldn't get view->grid->show baseline to do anything, >but it seems fine now. What could I have done wrong? Odd settings for the grid spacing/position? >You can't delete/copy a frame that has been linked to another, but why >can't we adjust select all the frames in a link chain and delete/copy >them together? Fair comment. >caused by the backspace key somehow 'blocking' the letter keys - If I >deliberately keep backspace held down and wait a little while (but not >so long auto-repeat kicks in), I can enter a new letter. I suspect my enhanced keyboard module (UniversalKey, wonder if the problem occurs on Techwriter (which also uses it (or did))) >Where are choices stored? !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Choices >Where is the default style-sheet/document >stored if I want to back it up before making big changes? !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.Default > There's an >auto-save feature, but is there an auto-backup feature? I'd like >multiple auto-backups if possible. No. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 21:21:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoUNE-0000Ts-LL-0000Uk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:21:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoUNE-0000Ts-LL; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:15:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoUNE-0000Ts-LL; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:15:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoUNE-0005Fq-6j; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:15:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoULq-0003CV-MK; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:14:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14LDo815142 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:13:50 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14LDnc15129 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:13:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoULE-00038Q-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:13:48 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoULE-0008PO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:13:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:13:54 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: <2823a37b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > How else can I get vertical justification? I've tried > >playing with lock to the baseline grid, but that doesn't really do what > > I guess some would say that in a multi column layout, lock to baseline > grid was essential - so that the baselines in both columns line up as > they do in professionally produced documents. That does look good, but how do you avoid problems as in: http://www.sendu.co.uk/news/software/OvnPro_-_vertical.zip (5k) The third example where I've tried to use lock to baseline shows an akward gap after the subheading. Is there a trick to stop that happening? And is there any way to at least get the text in both columns to start at the top of the frames? (or would first line 'fit' work if this was on a master frame column?) One question I forgot to ask first time around: How do you stop the 'cols' and 'page palette' windows appearing every time you open a new document, and how do you save the position of the 'Ovation Pro Styles' window so it always appears in the same place when you create or open a file? Having to constantly move/close those windows is driving me up the wall ;) -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 22:31:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoVRm-0006YJ-5r-0006bZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:31:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoVRm-0006YJ-5r; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:24:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoVRm-0006YJ-5r; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:24:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoVRm-0003BC-P5; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:24:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoVRI-0008Gp-4w; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:24:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14MMvw14180 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:22:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14MMus14169 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:22:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoVQ8-000JoN-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:22:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:21:30 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovn Pro (Win) chars References: <2823a37b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2823a37b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: I should explain that I am a complete novice with windows but I need to use OP windows as a backup as my laptop will not support Virtual RPC My question is whether there is any equivalent to !chars for windows I understand that I can insert non-keyboard characters with Alt (asci No.) but this is cumbersome and I am not always sure that the number will be the same. Alternatively is there any way of viewing the complete character set of a windows font. -- Dan McCarthy 8 Kings Avenue Dunedin New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 22:31:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoVX4-0004dv-Sf-0004ee."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:31:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoVX4-0004dv-Sf; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:30:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoVX4-0004dv-Sf; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:30:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoVX4-0007Qo-H0; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:30:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoVWB-0003L9-JA; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:29:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14MSLq16629 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:28:21 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14MSL416626 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:28:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoVVN-0003U2-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:28:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:26:56 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions References: <2823a37b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2823a37b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The third example where I've tried to use lock to baseline shows an >akward gap after the subheading. Is there a trick to stop that >happening? And is there any way to at least get the text in both >columns to start at the top of the frames? (or would first line 'fit' >work if this was on a master frame column?) Perhaps some of the professionals could comment. I'd say the frame has to be positioned properly relative to the grid - so that the first line is correctly positioned when in the bodytext. As to headings they'll have to have the right point size relative to the bodytext point size. >One question I forgot to ask first time around: >How do you stop the 'cols' and 'page palette' windows appearing every >time you open a new document, and how do you save the position of the >'Ovation Pro Styles' window so it always appears in the same place when >you create or open a file? Having to constantly move/close those windows >is driving me up the wall ;) Can be done, can't recall the details, it's been discussed here often, so it will be in the archives. A combination of things, later versions e.g. Nick Kaijaks improved style palette, and some of them have options you can enable from the script language files that make them up (i.e. you edit the scripts where they tell you). Finally load the template files into a template editor and position the windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 22:41:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoVes-0004a6-56-0004b7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:41:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoVes-0004a6-56; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:38:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoVes-0004a6-56; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:38:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoVes-0002cf-D5; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:38:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoVeZ-0003UF-UA; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:37:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14Mb7k20239 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:37:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14Mb7M20229 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:37:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoVdq-0004FQ-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:37:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:36:00 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovn Pro (Win) chars References: <2823a37b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I should explain that I am a complete novice with windows but I need to >use OP windows as a backup as my laptop will not support Virtual RPC My >question is whether there is any equivalent to !chars for windows I >understand that I can insert non-keyboard characters with Alt (asci >No.) but this is cumbersome and I am not always sure that the number >will be the same. Alternatively is there any way of viewing the >complete character set of a windows font. Within OP there is the F11 characters display which will probably do what you want (shows you everything you can insert in OP). True on both RISC OS and Windows. Within Windows there is something called 'character map', this is easier to find on older versions of Windows. On XP it is under Accessories->system tools, just under accessories on NT etc. Interesting because you can look at all the Unicode characters in suitable fonts. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 23:01:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoVsa-00032T-5z-00033j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:01:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoVsa-00032T-5z; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:52:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoVsa-00032T-5z; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:52:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoVsa-0002Cs-Jv; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:52:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoVrf-0007pi-EW; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:51:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14MoHg25202 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:50:17 GMT Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14MoHL25199 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:50:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.129.43.154] (helo=acornrpc) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AoVqa-0003cy-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:50:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:49:50 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovn Pro (Win) chars Message-ID: References: <2823a37b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4 Feb, David Pilling wrote: >> From: > > I should explain that I am a complete novice with windows but I need > to use OP windows as a backup as my laptop will not support Virtual > RPC My question is whether there is any equivalent to !chars for > windows I understand that I can insert non-keyboard characters with > Alt (asci No.) but this is cumbersome and I am not always sure that > the number will be the same. Alternatively is there any way of viewing > the complete character set of a windows font. > Start>Programs>Accessories>Character Map should find it. -- Brian Howlett ----------------------- Procrastinate tomorrow! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 4 23:11:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoW9Q-00000U-Gx-00001K."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:11:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoW9Q-00000U-Gx; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:09:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoW9Q-00000U-Gx; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:09:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoW9Q-0000yV-3c; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:09:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoW97-0002xd-Lf; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:09:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i14N8Ki32622 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:08:20 GMT Received: from he203war.uk.vianw.net (he203war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.244.150]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i14N8Km32619 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:08:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [195.102.205.34] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he203war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoW82-0007ME-Q6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:08:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:44:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] The alternative OPro resources site - updates Message-ID: <4c7ba5eb30chris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.37) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Just to say that I have made a few changes to the site. These include updates to the XCal app and Calendar template, and adding Avery L4736 label templates. David has also sent an updated Index applet (sort module therein), which fixes a problem with this applet observed on the Iyonix. The urls are: http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/index.html http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/index.html These are two different sites, so use whichever you find is best for you. Best wishes to all Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 01:11:59 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoXyk-0005bS-4U-0005ck."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:11:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoXyk-0005bS-4U; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 01:06:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoXyk-0005bS-4U; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 01:06:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoXyk-0000lA-9N; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 01:06:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoXyZ-0005G3-S3; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 01:06:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15169v05886 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:06:09 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15167x05872 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:06:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from rpc.OFFICE (ip219-88-211-20.kc.net.nz [219.88.211.20]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id CF2E34012E3 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:58:15 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:03:17 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > Main conclusion: I can NOT reproduce the error. with GS7? in RO? From Sendu's OP file I *always* get bad pdf using GS7. However, if I start with a fresh OP doc, then I can't reproduce it - not even by importing relevent text from the orig to include all his styles exactly. the problem also disappears if you take his orig OP file over to windows and run the ps from wOPro, then convert to pdf back in RO with GS7. So it's not (particularly) a GS7 problem, either. As you were, Martin. No rush. We should congratulate Sendu on the subtlty of his corruption ;-) > Report in Acrobat for the faulty .pdf mentions 2 entries for > Times-Roman and Times-Italic, meaning that there have been used 2 > 'sources' for these fonts: well, that explains it! But how? and from where? I can only find 1 (Nimbus) in GS. > I don't know specific differences between 7.03 in RISC OS (still > available for Windows) and the 8.13 Windows version. a quick look in GS at pdf_font shows there are all sorts of opportunities for GS to alter the encoding and metrics when doing the pdf conversion, and there are considerable differences between the v7 and v8 files. Certainly the v8 pdf from the original RO ps works ok in all readers. Tim -- de-Sig. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 13:14:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aoa5v-0006lY-58-0006lz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:14:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aoa5v-0006lY-58; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:22:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aoa5v-0006lY-58; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:22:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aoa5v-0005Mt-Em; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:22:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aoa5A-0006nQ-7B; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:21:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i153Kd703300 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 03:20:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i153Kck03297 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 03:20:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aoa4E-000Mw0-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:20:38 +0000 Message-ID: <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 03:19:22 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] News - OP 2.73 RISC OS References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Some news... (1) I can now accept credit/debit card payments for software - via my web site. A project I started in 1989 (I am not kidding). (2) Ovation Pro 2.73 for RISC is available from; http://davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op273.zip This contains one measly bug fix (and some tinkering). It's hard to know if such bug fixes releases are worthwhile, but it's a nasty bug, and it's six months since the last update. The bug is change text frame undo make a change to the document save document (without undo buffer) crash amazing no one had spotted it. This version is linked with StubsG, so it will work on 32 bit systems and 26 bit systems with or without an upgraded C library. (3) I'm no longer registered for VAT. Prices remain unchanged, as they did in 1991 when I became VAT registered. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 13:14:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AofhN-00014j-AY-00016T."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:14:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AofhN-00014j-AY; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:21:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AofhN-00014j-AY; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:21:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AofhM-00020b-KW; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:21:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AofhA-0002UF-MS; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:21:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i159KKV24147 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:20:20 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i159KJs24137 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:20:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AofgJ-0002py-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:20:19 +0100 Received: from [172.178.125.115] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AofgI-0003cS-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:20:18 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:19:18 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> Tim King wrote: > In article <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > Main conclusion: I can NOT reproduce the error. > > with GS7? in RO? From Sendu's OP file I *always* get bad pdf using > GS7. However, if I start with a fresh OP doc, then I can't reproduce > it - not even by importing relevent text from the orig to include all > his styles exactly. > > the problem also disappears if you take his orig OP file over to > windows and run the ps from wOPro, then convert to pdf back in RO with > GS7. So it's not (particularly) a GS7 problem, either. As you were, > Martin. No rush. The fact that you cannot make it go wrong does not mean that it is not a GS7 problem. It most certainly is. Just look at the facts: - the PS output displays OK - I had a look at the generated PS code, it is correct - converting it with GS7 leads to incorrect PDF - converting it with GS8 leads to correct PDF Incidently, I managed to create a document from scratch that demonstrates the problem. 26 words on two pages. So, it is not a document corruption. Just to clarify in case the nature of the problem is not clear: It has nothing to do with the (c). The reason why you see the problem there is the font change for the letter c. While all the text up to the c (including the opening parenthesis) is printed as a single text string, the c needs to be in a new text string because it is in a different font. This means that when printing, the position of this text string has to be supplied. This again means that at this very point, any miscalculations of the previous text width will show. The problem is the backtick symbol after the 3 at the beginning of the line. This is considered to be too wide by GhostScript when converting the text, but only on the second page! The problem never occurs on the first page. Subtle changes to the first page make the problem go away on the second page. Since the PS output of the second page does not change, it is clear that this is not an OP problem, nor a problem of the PS driver. It is a GS problem. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 13:15:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AojKR-0000zQ-Gb-00010H."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:15:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AojKR-0000zQ-Gb; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:14:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AojKR-0000zQ-Gb; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:13:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AojKQ-0006FH-O8; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:13:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AojKC-0000hp-BI; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:13:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15DD7430293 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:13:07 GMT Received: from mta1.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mta1.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.140]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15DD7U30285 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:13:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from biota.soton.ac.uk (biota.biochem.soton.ac.uk [152.78.163.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by mta1.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i15CVj6V031509 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:31:45 GMT Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040205122700.00b96e50@pop3.soton.ac.uk> X-Sender: mlb1@pop3.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:31:47 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: "M.Bellamy" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ISS-MailScanner: Believed to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 20:15 04/02/2004 +0000, you wrote: >On 4 Feb, John Pettigrew wrote: > > > In a previous message, Sendu Bala wrote: > > > > > BTW, does anyone know of an EndNote equivalent for RISC OS? > > > > Yes - there's Citation, by Dr Tim Dawson (IIRC). I forget the URL, > >Thanks for the pointer. It sounds good >(http://www.dawsontp.doctors.org.uk/), but isn't 32bit. It hasn't been >updated since August 2000. Does anyone have an idea if Dr Dawson is >still active in the RISC OS scene? There's also the Endnotes and XRef applets by Rupert Thompson http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/applets.html#enote Matt -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 13:44:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aojie-0002wO-3x-0002zd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:44:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aojie-0002wO-3x; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:39:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aojie-0002wO-3x; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:39:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aojid-0006F8-AN; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:38:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aojhs-0004gf-Tm; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:38:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15DbkP14368 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:37:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15DbhP14336 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:37:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AojhP-000KQP-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:37:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:36:31 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >the second page does not change, it is clear that this is not an OP >problem, nor a problem of the PS driver. It is a GS problem. Good explanation. Could the problem be an error in the fonts metric infomation? BTW my experiments where with GS 7.04 on Windows, so not far removed from 7.03. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 15:14:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aol70-0003aO-CH-0003ik."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:14:13 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aol70-0003aO-CH; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:08:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aol70-0003aO-CH; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:08:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aol6z-0003q0-Pd; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:08:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aol6o-0005GZ-4r; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:08:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15F7D613928 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:07:13 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15F7CF13921 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:07:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aol60-0008Sf-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:07:12 +0100 Received: from [172.178.75.8] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aol5z-0008TK-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:07:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:06:38 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <6b59057c4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >the second page does not change, it is clear that this is not an OP > >problem, nor a problem of the PS driver. It is a GS problem. > > Good explanation. Could the problem be an error in the fonts metric > infomation? Yes, this may be possible - if you mean the GS font metrics. The RO font metrics are correct, which you can see when rendering the PS output. It is not likely to be a font metric problem because the output is correct for the first page and only goes wrong for the second page! This makes it far more likely that it is a software problem. > BTW my experiments where with GS 7.04 on Windows, so not far removed > from 7.03. OK, good to know. It is well possible that even 7.03 on Windows would work OK - the support files, e.g., the fonts, may well be different. I will have to check this. There is also the issue of the compiler: The current 7.03 executable was compiled with a version of the Castle compiler, which was well known to break a lot of software. I have not yet recompiled it with the current compiler, so this could fix it. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 15:34:12 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AolPG-0006zp-9L-00074I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:34:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AolPG-0006zp-9L; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:27:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AolPG-0006zp-9L; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:27:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AolPG-0003cZ-E4; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:27:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AolP1-0002zc-3k; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:26:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15FQ6k26122 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:26:06 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15FQ5a26110 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:26:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AolOG-000Hwv-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:26:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:16:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News - OP 2.73 RISC OS Message-ID: <4c7c064168Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > (2) Ovation Pro 2.73 for RISC is available from; > http://davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op273.zip > This contains one measly bug fix (and some tinkering). It's hard to > know if such bug fixes releases are worthwhile Well, I'd say so. Thanks for continuing to do these fixes. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 17:24:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AonBY-0007IE-MI-0007Iz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:24:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AonBY-0007IE-MI; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:21:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AonBY-0007IE-MI; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:21:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AonBY-0002kB-Iw; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:21:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AonBM-0006bN-D0; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:20:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15HKNc26092 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:20:23 GMT Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.10]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15HKMg26083 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:20:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-16-191.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.28.191] helo=alfchamings.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1AonAp-0000u5-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:20:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:23:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News - OP 2.73 RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thu 05 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > Some news... > > (1) I can now accept credit/debit card payments for software - via my > web site. A project I started in 1989 (I am not kidding). > > (2) Ovation Pro 2.73 for RISC is available from; > > http://davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op273.zip > Dear All Can anyone please tell me why I am getting this problem when I try to run Freshen - I get an error message: File: System.Modules.CLIB not found. I don't remember doing anything strange with CLIB but it doesn't seem to be in System.Modules. Thanks Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 18:24:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aoo4U-0001fH-At-0001gi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:24:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aoo4U-0001fH-At; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:17:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aoo4U-0001fH-At; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:17:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aoo4U-0000Ll-0h; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:17:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aoo3h-0000TG-Te; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:17:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15IGVv24459 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:16:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15IGUm24454 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:16:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aoo3C-000Hdv-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:16:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:15:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News - OP 2.73 RISC OS References: <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Can anyone please tell me why I am getting this problem when I try to run >Freshen - I get an error message: File: System.Modules.CLIB not found. At face value, Freshen is trying to find the new C library. I'll have to go check but it sounds like I have slipped up, i.e. whilst the latest OP does not need the new C lib, Freshen does. Odd that this didn't come to light with the previous version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 18:44:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AooSw-0007S1-QQ-0007SW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:44:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AooSw-0007S1-QQ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:43:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AooSw-0007S1-QQ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:43:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AooSv-0006uX-Tp; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:43:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AooSd-00042F-9A; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:42:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15IgI705303 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:42:18 GMT Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15IgHF05286 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:42:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-3077.karuhiruhi.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.78.140.5] helo=localhost) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AooRb-0007CT-7V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:41:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:38:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: News - OP 2.73 RISC OS Message-ID: <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > (2) Ovation Pro 2.73 for RISC is available from; > http://davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op273.zip > This contains one measly bug fix (and some tinkering). It's hard to know > if such bug fixes releases are worthwhile, but it's a nasty bug, and > it's six months since the last update. The bug is > change text frame > undo > make a change to the document > save document (without undo buffer) > crash > amazing no one had spotted it. > This version is linked with StubsG, so it will work on 32 bit systems > and 26 bit systems with or without an upgraded C library. Just upgraded from 2.72 (31-July-03) but every time I try to run it, I get an error saying SWI &11E0 not known. -- How's life treating you, Norm? Like it caught me sleeping with its' wife. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 19:14:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aootv-0002yo-KH-0002zY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:14:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aootv-0002yo-KH; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:11:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aootv-0002yo-KH; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:10:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aootv-00072x-33; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:10:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aootl-0004Ow-UB; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:10:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15JA3320253 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:10:03 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15JA0R20184 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:10:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aoosy-000103-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:10:00 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aoosx-0001CI-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:09:59 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:10:11 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: <6da51b7c4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <2823a37b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 4 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >The third example where I've tried to use lock to baseline shows an > >akward gap after the subheading. Is there a trick to stop that > >happening? And is there any way to at least get the text in both > >columns to start at the top of the frames? (or would first line 'fit' > >work if this was on a master frame column?) > > Perhaps some of the professionals could comment. I'd say the frame has > to be positioned properly relative to the grid - so that the first line > is correctly positioned when in the bodytext. As to headings they'll > have to have the right point size relative to the bodytext point size. What specifically does that mean? How do I work out the 'right point size relative to the bodytext point size'? Can someone offer a worked example? > >One question I forgot to ask first time around: > >How do you stop the 'cols' and 'page palette' windows appearing every > >time you open a new document, and how do you save the position of the > >'Ovation Pro Styles' window so it always appears in the same place when > >you create or open a file? Having to constantly move/close those windows > >is driving me up the wall ;) > > Can be done, can't recall the details, it's been discussed here often, > so it will be in the archives. A combination of things, later versions > e.g. Nick Kaijaks improved style palette, and some of them have options > you can enable from the script language files that make them up (i.e. > you edit the scripts where they tell you). Finally load the template > files into a template editor and position the windows. Does anyone have the archives in a searchable database? I'd download all the zips, but I don't even know what to search for. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 19:24:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aop0e-0004dy-Go-0004fF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:24:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aop0e-0004dy-Go; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:17:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aop0e-0004dy-Go; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:17:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aop0d-0000EI-Q7; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:17:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aop0Q-0005R8-MY; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:17:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15JHIY23862 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:17:18 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15JHHJ23856 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:17:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk (i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net [195.137.94.49]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id i15JHGsT021106 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:17:17 GMT Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:18:51 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: News - OP 2.73 RISC OS Message-ID: <9c701c7c4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> Mark Fraser wrote: [snip] > Just upgraded from 2.72 (31-July-03) but every time I try to run it, I get > an error saying SWI &11E0 not known. Surprisingly for one with my level of incompetence, I've upgraded with no trouble at all. Many thanks, David. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 20:04:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AopbT-0004Bm-7z-0004C7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:04:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AopbT-0004Bm-7z; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:56:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AopbT-0004Bm-7z; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:55:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AopbT-0006I4-8y; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:55:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aopb3-0002VA-59; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:55:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15JsjZ09889 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:54:45 GMT Received: from mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (mta04-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.44]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15Jsjl09885 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:54:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.105.234.234]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040205195439.IDHO22174.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:54:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:54:41 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6da51b7c4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <2823a37b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6da51b7c4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.27 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="918586752--1203293224--1579322063"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --918586752--1203293224--1579322063 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Sendu Bala wrote: > > > The third example where I've tried to use lock to baseline shows an= > > > akward gap after the subheading. The problem is that using "lock to baseline" does exactly that - each lin= e is locked to the next highest available baseline on the page. This baseli= ne is calculated from the values you set based on a nominal point size and leading. So, if you are using 12 pt Trinity and 120% leading, then introduce a 14 = pt heading, or a heading with a 6 pt space after it (for example), OvPro has= to leave a mostly blank vertical space to reach the next highest available baseline, because your larger text overflows (vertically) the baseline be= low it, and similarly for the 6 pt space. This is the problem with "Lock to baseline" - you have to avoid changing point size and it prevents part-line spacings. But it does guarantee line= s that line up across the page. You lose flexibility for discipline. HTH John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou! --918586752--1203293224--1579322063 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAIp+Dp6M/P/S/JWgRAr4MAKCYAgy3o6Cyaoccp4zdIHmsFGwsHQCgkC3b ZEh4h68LOnfK8WsAB/qlOAg= =qY3Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --918586752--1203293224--1579322063-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 20:14:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aopng-0000wY-Hk-0000x7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:14:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aopng-0000wY-Hk; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:08:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aopng-0000wY-Hk; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:08:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aopng-0001ld-8Y; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:08:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AopnH-0007wV-JP; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:08:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15K7ku16419 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:07:46 GMT Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15K7kd16415 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:07:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:07:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:03:23 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2004 20:07:45.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[B85F4E10:01C3EC23] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, Sendu Bala wrote: > > > > > The third example where I've tried to use lock to baseline shows an > > > > akward gap after the subheading. > > The problem is that using "lock to baseline" does exactly that - each line > is locked to the next highest available baseline on the page. This baseline > is calculated from the values you set based on a nominal point size and > leading. > > So, if you are using 12 pt Trinity and 120% leading, then introduce a 14 pt > heading, or a heading with a 6 pt space after it (for example), OvPro has to > leave a mostly blank vertical space to reach the next highest available > baseline, because your larger text overflows (vertically) the baseline below > it, and similarly for the 6 pt space. > > This is the problem with "Lock to baseline" - you have to avoid changing > point size and it prevents part-line spacings. But it does guarantee lines > that line up across the page. You lose flexibility for discipline. You can allow headings to 'float' by not locking them to the baseline grid. But I'd still prefer to have the option of vertical justification because of its greater flexibility for single-column pages. (Both facilities have their uses, of course, for different page designs.) Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 20:24:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AopuX-0003r7-So-0003rf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:24:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AopuX-0003r7-So; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:15:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AopuX-0003r7-So; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:15:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AopuX-0004Yk-Hm; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:15:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AopuH-0000T2-Ni; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:15:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15KEbC19583 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:14:37 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15KEbl19578 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:14:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoptV-00036I-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:14:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:13:23 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovn Pro (Win) chars References: <2823a37b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: > Within OP there is the F11 characters display which will probably do > what you want (shows you everything you can insert in OP). True on both > RISC OS and Windows. Thank you David and Brian. Problem solved I had remembered F11 but not the F Lock Key When it comes to Windows I can only stand back and gaze in awe at my own ignorence. I think my age is the real problem -- Dan Mcarthy -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 20:24:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aoq0X-0004oV-6B-0004ph."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:24:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aoq0X-0004oV-6B; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:21:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aoq0X-0004oV-6B; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:21:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aoq0W-0001YE-Cw; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:21:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aopzu-0001E5-Gi; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:21:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15KKiI22550 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:20:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15KKgm22440 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:20:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AopzO-0002IC-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:20:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:19:36 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions References: <2823a37b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6da51b7c4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6da51b7c4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Does anyone have the archives in a searchable database? I'd download >all the zips, but I don't even know what to search for. Many of the zips are on your OP CD. What you do is unpack all the text files into a folder, there are then many free and supplied tools in RISC OS that can search a folder of text files for strings. So you'd enter "style palette" or whatever and they'd pull out the references to it. If you have SparkFS you probably don't even need to unpack the files. I'd use Acorns !Find, but as I say there are lots of freeware equivalents. Plan B would be select all the text files, and then drop into your favourite text editor and use its search facilities. The other clue was to look at the help info that comes with the various palettes. Plan C, upload all the files to your web site and use google 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 20:34:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aoq3H-0000QD-9L-0000Qx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:34:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aoq3H-0000QD-9L; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:24:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aoq3H-0000QD-9L; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:24:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aoq3H-00070C-KQ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:24:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aoq35-0006Fg-63; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:24:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15KO5g24408 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:24:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15KO4x24403 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:24:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aoq2e-000Dfw-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:24:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:22:37 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >You can allow headings to 'float' by not locking them to the baseline grid. >But I'd still prefer to have the option of vertical justification because of >its greater flexibility for single-column pages. (Both facilities have their >uses, of course, for different page designs.) Maybe interesting to see how the national newspapers do it. ISTR they do line up baselines across columns. I sorted out the drop caps long ago by close observation of the Times. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 20:44:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoqHR-0002Sd-9E-0002TO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:44:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoqHR-0002Sd-9E; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:39:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqHR-0002Sd-9E; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:39:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqHR-0003dK-HF; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:39:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoqHD-0000W0-Uz; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:39:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15KcI430728 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:38:18 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15KcHV30724 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:38:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040205203743.FODK9105.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:37:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:32:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <6da51b7c4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Thu 05 Feb, Sendu Bala wrote: > On 4 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > >The third example where I've tried to use lock to baseline shows an > > >akward gap after the subheading. Is there a trick to stop that > > >happening? And is there any way to at least get the text in both > > >columns to start at the top of the frames? (or would first line 'fit' > > >work if this was on a master frame column?) > > > > Perhaps some of the professionals could comment. I'd say the frame has > > to be positioned properly relative to the grid - so that the first line > > is correctly positioned when in the bodytext. As to headings they'll > > have to have the right point size relative to the bodytext point size. > > What specifically does that mean? How do I work out the 'right point > size relative to the bodytext point size'? Can someone offer a worked > example? When setting styles set the leading to an absolute value not relative (eg 12pt font on 15pt leading (12/15pt below) not 25% leading or +3pt leading). I decide the body type size and leading first. The baseline spacing I use in the document is then set to body leading. Headings are set with a combination of leading and space to be a multiple of the baseline grid spacing. An example I do use: Body text 12/15pt +7.5pt after +left align Subhead 12/15pt +0pt after +bold +left align Main headings 18/22.5pt +7.5pt before +bold +centre align Author 14/15pt +bold +italic +right align (I don't have baseline snap on for this document, if I did it would have to be on a grid of 7.5pt) main headings would fit the same vertically (if a little tighter to the following text) as 21/22.5pt - the leading is the controlling factor here. Sometimes you might want to move the type vertically within the leading space (Modify Text - V Shift), but it is more predictable to use smaller leading and add the space before/after. In on Wed 04 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > responding to a post from Sendu Bala: > > >the top of a frame. Is there any way to have a style that says 'space > >before, except at the top of a frame'? Or any other way to acheive the > >same thing? > > I read a review recently and a program had "space between" as an option. > I don't know of a good answer to your question. You might find it better to add more space after the preceding paragraph (space after is ignored at the bottom of a frame). For consistent (and easily modified) layout always use styles, and assign them keyboard shortcuts. Then most paragraphs are BodyText, but some are 'Firstpara' which doesn't have the first line indent, and others are 'Lastpara' which has the extra space before the next heading. When the style has Paragraph scope you don't need to select anything, just place the cursor in the paragraph and hit the keypress you've assigned and the style is applied to the whole paragraph. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 20:54:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoqOO-0005KJ-Hy-0005L8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:54:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoqOO-0005KJ-Hy; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:46:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqOO-0005KJ-Hy; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:46:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqOO-0001vm-Cj; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:46:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoqOH-0006Jx-9t; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:46:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15KjfW00820 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:45:41 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15KjeP00816 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:45:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AoqNY-000Hgr-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:45:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:44:30 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News - OP 2.73 RISC OS References: <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Can anyone please tell me why I am getting this problem when I try to run >Freshen - I get an error message: File: System.Modules.CLIB not found. OK from the point of view of anyone without the new C lib, what was on the web site was wrong. I've corrected things now. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 20:54:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoqVw-0004kt-8p-0004lS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:54:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoqVw-0004kt-8p; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:54:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqVw-0004kt-8p; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:54:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqVw-0000FA-CS; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:54:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoqVo-00035t-1T; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:54:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15KrRT03609 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:53:27 GMT Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15KrQJ03604 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:53:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040205205323.LJL26804.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:53:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:47:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Wed 04 Feb, Sendu Bala wrote: > MS Word which lets you say what style follows another style. Ie. I'd have > my subheading style defined to be followed by a > no-first-line-indent-bodytext-based style, and that style in turn to be > followed by the normal bodytext style. Chained styles like this can be very powerful, and would be a valuable feature in Opro (RISC OS and Win). I set up a template (in MSWord) for a friend who needs consistent labels for the back of photographs in greetings card mounts. There are 3 lines of text on each label - Title in bold followed by location in italics followed by photographer's name in roman type. Each is a style which sets the next style and the Title style is set to begin a logical page (always start on a new label). Open the template and the cursor is ready to start in Ttle style, hit return and the style changes to location, hit return and the style changes to Photographer, hit return and the style returns to Title and the cursor is positioned in the next label. At production time the typist only has to think about the words, everything else is automated. The downside is they only work when typing the document. If the text is imported from another file and the Title style is applied to the first paragraph the rest do not automatically pick up the succeeding styles. Aldus (as it was when I used it, now Adobe) Pagemaker also had the feature, I don't remember if that would flow styles if a paragraph had a style applied which chained to others. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 21:14:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoqkD-0000Oh-T0-0000PG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:14:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoqkD-0000Oh-T0; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:09:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqkD-0000Oh-T0; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:09:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqkD-0002EH-PW; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:09:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aoqjc-0000uq-K2; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:08:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15L7iY09435 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:07:44 GMT Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15L7hK09431 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:07:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:07:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:04:14 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: <8916267c4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2004 21:07:43.0344 (UTC) FILETIME=[18B07700:01C3EC2C] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >You can allow headings to 'float' by not locking them to the baseline grid. > >But I'd still prefer to have the option of vertical justification because of > >its greater flexibility for single-column pages. (Both facilities have their > >uses, of course, for different page designs.) > > Maybe interesting to see how the national newspapers do it. ISTR they do > line up baselines across columns. Dunno about the nationals, but _Nature_ magazine's front half, which is produced in-house on Quark, does indeed lock text to the baseline grid. Crossheads are (IIRC) set after a full line space to the same leading but in a high-contrast font. I'd be interested to hear about the nationals too. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 21:14:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoqkM-0004bC-3U-0004cG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:14:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoqkM-0004bC-3U; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:09:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqkM-0004bC-3U; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:09:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqkL-0004eA-Ph; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:09:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoqkC-00053u-5z; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:09:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15L8L409636 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:08:21 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15L8Lf09632 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:08:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040205210820.FDEP28184.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:08:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:00:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Thu 05 Feb, Bruce Goatly wrote: > > You can allow headings to 'float' by not locking them to the baseline grid. > But I'd still prefer to have the option of vertical justification because > of its greater flexibility for single-column pages. (Both facilities have > their uses, of course, for different page designs.) The purpose of most documents is to communicate the content not display the design, so I tend to avoid justification (vertical or horizontal). In some respects the best design is that which is not noticable while it makes the content most acessible. Baseline lock can aid even in single column documents if printed accurately - the white space between lines on both sides of the sheet lines up and guides the eye more easily from line to line. Changing the spacing between words or lines makes reading more of an effort. Worst is horizontal justification which reduces the word spacing toofarso that the words fit on the line but run into each other. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 21:14:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AoqmC-0002Uz-IY-0002VX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:14:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AoqmC-0002Uz-IY; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:11:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqmC-0002Uz-IY; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:11:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqmC-0006Dt-IP; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:11:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aoqm5-0004vk-U6; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:11:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15LAJU10305 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:10:19 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15LAIQ10296 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:10:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=55528 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoqlO-00087g-Cg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:10:18 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55851 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoqlL-0000dU-Dt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:10:15 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01c3ec2c$c256a400$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:01:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thursday, February 05, 2004 2:03 AM, Tim King wrote: > In article <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: >> Main conclusion: I can NOT reproduce the error. > > with GS7? in RO? From Sendu's OP file I *always* get bad pdf using > GS7. However, if I start with a fresh OP doc, then I can't reproduce > it - not even by importing relevent text from the orig to include all > his styles exactly. I should have written it the way that you did! I can NOT reproduce the error with a fresh OP doc. > the problem also disappears if you take his orig OP file over to > windows and run the ps from wOPro, then convert to pdf back in RO with > GS7. So it's not (particularly) a GS7 problem, either. As you were, > Martin. No rush. > > We should congratulate Sendu on the subtlty of his corruption ;-) > >> Report in Acrobat for the faulty .pdf mentions 2 entries for >> Times-Roman and Times-Italic, meaning that there have been used 2 >> 'sources' for these fonts: > > well, that explains it! But how? and from where? I can only find 1 > (Nimbus) in GS. Me too. >> I don't know specific differences between 7.03 in RISC OS (still >> available for Windows) and the 8.13 Windows version. > > a quick look in GS at pdf_font shows there are all sorts of > opportunities for GS to alter the encoding and metrics when doing the > pdf conversion, and there are considerable differences between the v7 > and v8 files. Certainly the v8 pdf from the original RO ps works ok in > all readers. One important difference that I have found, is the way that 8.13 (and GSView 4.6) handle TrueTypes. When I make a .pdf from windows output in GS 8.13, !pdf in RISC OS renders all characters (as far as I have used them - surely full Latin1 set in OPW-) used in TrueType format in OPW. When I use the same .ps and make a .pdf with GS 7.03, !pdf doesn't render the original TrueType chars. BTW: On the GhostScript page (http://www.ghostscript.com/) at the bottom, there is a new (?) set fonts to replace the Nimbus fonts. I haven't downloaded and tried them yet. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 21:24:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aoqmc-0005HK-E3-00022d."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:24:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aoqmc-0005HK-E3; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:15:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aoqmc-0005HK-E3; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:11:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AoqmU-0006JN-P8; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:11:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AoqmP-0001Gw-VE; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:11:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15LAJ210306 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:10:19 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15LAI510298 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:10:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=55527 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoqlO-0003MT-9D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:10:18 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55851 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoqlL-0000dU-RX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:10:15 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c3ec2c$c2970860$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <6b59057c4c.martin@mw-software.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:12:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:06 PM, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >>> the second page does not change, it is clear that this is not an OP >>> problem, nor a problem of the PS driver. It is a GS problem. >> >> Good explanation. Could the problem be an error in the fonts metric >> infomation? > > Yes, this may be possible - if you mean the GS font metrics. The RO > font metrics are correct, which you can see when rendering the PS > output. It is not likely to be a font metric problem because the > output is correct for the first page and only goes wrong for the > second page! This makes it far more likely that it is a software > problem. You can see the same at page 4, near the bottom for (e). That is in the first .pdf with the ligature-trouble. > >> BTW my experiments where with GS 7.04 on Windows, so not far removed >> from 7.03. > > OK, good to know. It is well possible that even 7.03 on Windows would > work OK - the support files, e.g., the fonts, may well be different. > I will have to check this. There is also the issue of the compiler: > The current > 7.03 executable was compiled with a version of the Castle compiler, > which was well known to break a lot of software. I have not yet > recompiled it with the current compiler, so this could fix it. BTW: On the GhostScript page (http://www.ghostscript.com/) at the bottom, there is a new (?) set fonts to replace the Nimbus fonts. I haven't downloaded and tried them yet. As far as I can see, GhostScript in RISC OS also uses Windows-format fonts (.pfb, .afm .inf). Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 21:34:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aor15-0001X4-QK-0001Xs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:34:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aor15-0001X4-QK; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:26:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aor15-0001X4-QK; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:26:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aor14-0002ud-Ug; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:26:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aor0X-0007Hu-QD; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:25:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15LP8M16444 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:25:08 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15LP8r16440 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:25:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aoqzj-000NXy-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:25:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:21:39 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News - OP 2.73 RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c7c064168Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) [snip] > > (2) Ovation Pro 2.73 for RISC is available from; > > > http://davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op273.zip > > > This contains one measly bug fix (and some tinkering). It's hard to > > know if such bug fixes releases are worthwhile > > Well, I'd say so. Thanks for continuing to do these fixes. I also agree and thank you David for these fixes. Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ________________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind M. Share M.A. roz@lupus-support.org.uk | | | | \__ \ / LUpus Patients Understanding & Support |_| \___/ |___/ / http://www.lupus-support.org.uk LuPUS MB: http://www.lupus-forums.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 21:34:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aor5l-0000sY-CA-0000vF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:34:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aor5l-0000sY-CA; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:31:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aor5l-0000sY-CA; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:31:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aor5l-0006sc-K8; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:31:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aor5I-0003kQ-CS; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:30:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15LTkJ18033 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:29:46 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15LTk518002 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:29:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aor4B-0004Lr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:29:43 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aor4A-0001mT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:29:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:28:03 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: References: <8916267c4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8916267c4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 5 Feb, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > >You can allow headings to 'float' by not locking them to the baseline grid. > > >But I'd still prefer to have the option of vertical justification > > >because of its greater flexibility for single-column pages. (Both > > >facilities have their uses, of course, for different page designs.) > > > > Maybe interesting to see how the national newspapers do it. ISTR they do > > line up baselines across columns. > > Dunno about the nationals, but _Nature_ magazine's front half, which is > produced in-house on Quark, does indeed lock text to the baseline grid. > Crossheads are (IIRC) set after a full line space to the same leading but in > a high-contrast font. I'd be interested to hear about the nationals too. I don't know about nationals, but I'm trying to follow all the international scientific journals that I read. The great majority of them use vertical justification. But I'll see if I can make lock to baseline work for me. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 21:44:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aor9U-000610-EL-000626."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:44:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aor9U-000610-EL; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:35:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aor9U-000610-EL; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:35:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aor9U-0002Mv-9E; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:35:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aor9F-0004Rd-49; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:34:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15LYES19634 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:34:14 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15LYDo19627 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:34:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aor8X-0001hJ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:34:13 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aor8X-0004Q1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:34:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:34:24 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 5 Feb, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Thu 05 Feb, Sendu Bala wrote: > > On 4 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > >The third example where I've tried to use lock to baseline shows > > > >an akward gap after the subheading. Is there a trick to stop that > > > >happening? And is there any way to at least get the text in both > > > >columns to start at the top of the frames? (or would first line > > > >'fit' work if this was on a master frame column?) [snip] > When setting styles set the leading to an absolute value not relative > (eg 12pt font on 15pt leading (12/15pt below) not 25% leading or +3pt > leading). > > I decide the body type size and leading first. The baseline spacing I > use in the document is then set to body leading. Headings are set > with a combination of leading and space to be a multiple of the > baseline grid spacing. > > An example I do use: > Body text 12/15pt +7.5pt after +left align > Subhead 12/15pt +0pt after +bold +left align > Main headings 18/22.5pt +7.5pt before +bold +centre align > Author 14/15pt +bold +italic +right align Sorry for being stupid, but I don't understand this notation. So for Body text the text is 12pt, the absolute leading is 15pt, but what is +7.5pt, and what do you mean by 'after +left align'? > (I don't have baseline snap on for this document, if I did it would > have to be on a grid of 7.5pt) main headings would fit the same > vertically (if a little tighter to the following text) as 21/22.5pt - > the leading is the controlling factor here. You lost me again ;) I think I should go away and just experiment for some time. Thanks for trying though :) [snip] > > >the top of a frame. Is there any way to have a style that says > > >'space before, except at the top of a frame'? Or any other way to > > >acheive the same thing? [snip] > You might find it better to add more space after the preceding > paragraph (space after is ignored at the bottom of a frame). Yes, thanks for the suggestion. I think that's the way I'll do it. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 21:44:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AorFi-00031g-Be-00035z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:44:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AorFi-00031g-Be; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:41:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AorFi-00031g-Be; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:41:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AorFi-0007Vg-CP; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:41:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AorFJ-0005LH-En; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:41:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15LemJ21659 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:40:48 GMT Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15LemY21656 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:40:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:40:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:31:23 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2004 21:40:48.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7A6E7A0:01C3EC30] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Thu 05 Feb, Bruce Goatly wrote: > Changing the spacing between words or lines makes reading more of an effort. > Worst is horizontal justification which reduces the word spacing toofarso > that the words fit on the line but run into each other. Actually I'm in agreement with you on this - I can't stand the sort of overtracked setting that one sees in newspapers. I realize that I failed to define what I meant by vertical justification: I'd like paragraphs to be treated as entities on a page in the same way as words are on a line, with the difference that the possibility of expansion or (slight) contraction of the inter-paragraph space would be part of the style definition. Thus the space (or lack of it) between consecutive paragraphs could be fixed but the space above and below headings and other set-off matter could 'breathe' and allow the bottom lines of facing pages to line up at the bottom of the page, regardless of what odd spaces above and below (in terms of the line spacing of the main text) were defined for them. In publications where you might have a mixture of illustrations, headings, displayed quotations (in smaller type!) and displayed equations on facing pages, this would greatly simplify page make-up. At the moment I have to make all adjustments manually, and only at the very last moment, after all corrections have been made. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 22:34:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AorwX-000059-SX-00005W."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:34:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AorwX-000059-SX; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:25:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AorwX-000059-SX; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:25:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AorwX-0003yu-Kx; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:25:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aorw0-0007j1-Ml; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:25:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15MOsw05813 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:24:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15MOrr05809 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:24:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AorvZ-000Dzb-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:24:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:23:51 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I'd like paragraphs to be treated as entities on a page in the same way as >words are on a line, with the difference that the possibility of expansion >or (slight) contraction of the inter-paragraph space would be part of the >style definition. Thus the space (or lack of it) between consecutive >paragraphs could be fixed but the space above and below headings and other >set-off matter could 'breathe' and allow the bottom lines of facing pages to >line up at the bottom of the page, regardless of what odd spaces above and >below (in terms of the line spacing of the main text) were defined for them. That's a good idea, I like it, and it would be quite easy to do. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 22:44:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aos5U-0003Fr-5O-0003Hl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:44:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aos5U-0003Fr-5O; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:35:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aos5U-0003Fr-5O; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:35:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aos5U-0003Mm-CL; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:35:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aos5A-0008Qs-6m; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:34:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15MYLt10172 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:34:21 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091B01E.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.176.30]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15MYKq10163 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:34:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Aos4h-0008OW-00 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:34:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:34:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions Message-ID: <4c7c2e5da8sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > >I'd like paragraphs to be treated as entities on a page in the same > >way as words are on a line, with the difference that the possibility > >of expansion or (slight) contraction of the inter-paragraph space > >would be part of the style definition. Thus the space (or lack of > >it) between consecutive paragraphs could be fixed but the space > >above and below headings and other set-off matter could 'breathe' > >and allow the bottom lines of facing pages to line up at the bottom > >of the page, regardless of what odd spaces above and below (in terms > >of the line spacing of the main text) were defined for them. > That's a good idea, I like it, and it would be quite easy to do. ... and is exactly what TeX has been doing for years. ;-) -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 22:44:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AosAR-0004cB-7u-0004cZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:44:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AosAR-0004cB-7u; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:40:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AosAR-0004cB-7u; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:40:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AosAR-0007NK-7K; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:40:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AosAG-0000w5-Ek; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:40:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15MdHF12206 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:39:17 GMT Received: from cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15MdHX12201 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:39:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-191.caterpie.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.57.191] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aos8o-0000E8-K4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:38:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:38:56 GMT From: "Alex. Cessford" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News - OP 2.73 RISC OS Message-ID: <4ec22e7c4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >Can anyone please tell me why I am getting this problem when I try to run > >Freshen - I get an error message: File: System.Modules.CLIB not found. > > At face value, Freshen is trying to find the new C library. > > I'll have to go check but it sounds like I have slipped up, i.e. whilst > the latest OP does not need the new C lib, Freshen does. Odd that this > didn't come to light with the previous version. I've just upgraded version 2.72 to 2.73 using !Freshen, with no problem. I acquired new CLib while ago but did nothing to it before using Freshen, in spite of having read this posting before attempting the upgrade. Hope this helps. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 22:54:34 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AosEe-0002U3-H6-0002Uf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:54:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AosEe-0002U3-H6; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:44:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AosEe-0002U3-H6; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:44:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AosEd-0000wK-Tb; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:44:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AosEP-0007Ku-QZ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:44:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15MhaN13643 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:43:36 GMT Received: from smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.10]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15MhaU13621 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:43:36 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:43:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:38:58 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c7c2e5da8sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2004 22:43:35.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D5661D0:01C3EC39] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c7c2e5da8sbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > >I'd like paragraphs to be treated as entities on a page in the same > > >way as words are on a line, with the difference that the possibility > > >of expansion or (slight) contraction of the inter-paragraph space > > >would be part of the style definition. Thus the space (or lack of > > >it) between consecutive paragraphs could be fixed but the space > > >above and below headings and other set-off matter could 'breathe' > > >and allow the bottom lines of facing pages to line up at the bottom > > >of the page, regardless of what odd spaces above and below (in terms > > >of the line spacing of the main text) were defined for them. > > > That's a good idea, I like it, and it would be quite easy to do. Hooray! > ... and is exactly what TeX has been doing for years. ;-) I know, but TechWriter doesn't... 8-( Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 23:04:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AosXh-0007LQ-5e-0007Mk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:04:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AosXh-0007LQ-5e; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:04:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AosXh-0007LQ-5e; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:04:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AosXh-0003Bq-DS; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:04:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AosWr-0003LV-0g; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:03:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15N2dO19739 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:02:39 GMT Received: from he204war.uk.vianw.net (he204war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.244.151]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15N2d919736 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:02:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [195.102.195.251] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he204war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AosW6-0004Lq-Ge for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:02:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:41:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The alternative OPro resources site - updates Message-ID: <4c7c2f02e4chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4c7ba5eb30chris@bulldog.u-net.com> References: <4c7ba5eb30chris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.37) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Following up my own post, bad form, I know - I forgot to mention that OvHTML , the Ovation Pro to HTML converter, has been updated to version 0.40, with 0.41 beta also available. > The urls are: > http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/index.html > http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/index.html -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 23:14:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AosfG-0003Nz-Fp-0003OZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:14:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AosfG-0003Nz-Fp; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:12:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AosfG-0003Nz-Fp; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:12:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AosfG-00017D-Lq; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:12:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aosf3-00047J-0a; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:11:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15NBTX22745 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:11:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15NBRQ22738 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:11:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aosed-0003W9-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:11:27 +0000 Message-ID: <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:10:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: News - OP 2.73 RISC OS References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Just upgraded from 2.72 (31-July-03) but every time I try to run it, I get >an error saying SWI &11E0 not known. Sorry I have no idea. I wonder if there is any indication at what point in proceedings the error is occurring (e.g. does the main program load or what?). Is the number 11E0 above accurate? I can't find what that SWI is, which makes me wonder if the new code is corrupted (i.e. your downloaded copy of it). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 5 23:34:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aossx-0001c9-CU-0001dQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:34:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aossx-0001c9-CU; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:26:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aossx-0001c9-CU; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:26:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aossx-0000tz-K1; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:26:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AossY-0003G8-Nb; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:25:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i15NP2026953 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:25:02 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i15NP1s26948 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:25:01 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aosrl-0001AF-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:25:01 +0100 Received: from [213.6.49.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aosrk-0005Le-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:25:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:24:25 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <29ec327c4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <6b59057c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <002c01c3ec2c$c2970860$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <002c01c3ec2c$c2970860$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <002c01c3ec2c$c2970860$6502a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > As far as I can see, GhostScript in RISC OS also uses Windows-format > fonts (.pfb, .afm .inf). Not Windows-format fonts at all, they are PostScript fonts. Generally, when saying Windows-format fonts, one would mean TrueType. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 00:54:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AouG3-00049o-7Z-0004Ah."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:54:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AouG3-00049o-7Z; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:54:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AouG3-00049o-7Z; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:54:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AouG3-00039x-3F; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:54:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AouFr-0007Ai-6I; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:53:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i160rDq19350 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:53:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i160rCk19346 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:53:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AouF5-0003Az-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:53:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:39:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions Message-ID: <4c7c39d019john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 05 Feb, Anthony Hilton wrote: > The purpose of most documents is to communicate the content not display > the design, so I tend to avoid justification (vertical or horizontal). > In some respects the best design is that which is not noticable while it > makes the content most acessible. Getting the design right is essential. If it's wrong then the design gets in the way of good communication. The argument is then focussed on what makes the design 'right' for the reader. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 01:44:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aov1L-0001iu-IE-0001jO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:44:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aov1L-0001iu-IE; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 01:43:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aov1L-0001iu-IE; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 01:43:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aov1L-0003LP-Gp; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 01:43:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aov17-0001ld-5Q; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 01:42:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i161g2r30065 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:42:02 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i161g1Q30062 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:42:01 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aov0L-0009ye-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 01:42:01 +0000 Message-ID: <8n2XHVESCvIAFwON@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:40:34 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions References: <4c7c39d019john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c7c39d019john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Qercus editor On 05 Feb, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message David Pilling > wrote: > > >You can allow headings to 'float' by not locking them to the baseline > > >grid. But I'd still prefer to have the option of vertical > > >justification because of its greater flexibility for single-column > > >pages. (Both facilities have their uses, of course, for different > > >page designs.) > > > > Maybe interesting to see how the national newspapers do it. ISTR they > > do line up baselines across columns. > Dunno about the nationals, but _Nature_ magazine's front half, which is > produced in-house on Quark, does indeed lock text to the baseline grid. > Crossheads are (IIRC) set after a full line space to the same leading > but in a high-contrast font. I'd be interested to hear about the > nationals too. Acorn Publisher locks to the baseline grid but, if you want to see how it looks without, then vol 9 issue 1 was an attempt to avoid the problem of the extra gap after/before headings and paragraphs. It looks better locked to a grid across columns. -- John Cartmell editor Qercus - editor@qercus.com www.qercus.com Qercus: a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines one magazine for graphics & design - one magazine for all RISC OS users Finnybank Ltd 30 Finnybank Rd Sale M33 6LR == 0161 969 9820 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 14:17:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ap1p2-0006xC-Bi-0006z7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:17:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ap1p2-0006xC-Bi; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:58:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap1p2-0006xC-Bi; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:58:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap1p2-0006hz-E8; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:58:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ap1ou-0005Nz-BY; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:58:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i168vpD30717 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:57:51 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i168vpZ30712 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:57:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040206085751.BKD28184.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:57:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:53:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro general questions To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Thu 05 Feb, Sendu Bala wrote: > On 5 Feb, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > In on Thu 05 Feb, Sendu Bala wrote: > > > On 4 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > >The third example where I've tried to use lock to baseline shows > > > > >an akward gap after the subheading. Is there a trick to stop that > > > > >happening? And is there any way to at least get the text in both > > > > >columns to start at the top of the frames? (or would first line > > > > >'fit' work if this was on a master frame column?) > > [snip] > > > When setting styles set the leading to an absolute value not relative > > (eg 12pt font on 15pt leading (12/15pt below) not 25% leading or +3pt > > leading). > > > > I decide the body type size and leading first. The baseline spacing I > > use in the document is then set to body leading. Headings are set > > with a combination of leading and space to be a multiple of the > > baseline grid spacing. > > > > An example I do use: > > Body text 12/15pt +7.5pt after +left align > > Subhead 12/15pt +0pt after +bold +left align > > Main headings 18/22.5pt +7.5pt before +bold +centre align > > Author 14/15pt +bold +italic +right align > > Sorry for being stupid, but I don't understand this notation. So for > Body text the text is 12pt, the absolute leading is 15pt, but what is > +7.5pt, and what do you mean by 'after +left align'? +7.5pt after the paragraph has 7.5pt spacing after the paragraph +left align paragraph is left aligned +right align paragraph is right aligned I think the notation I've used follows the Style definitions in OPro (that was my intention) but I didn't check the notation displayed before sending. > > > (I don't have baseline snap on for this document, if I did it would > > have to be on a grid of 7.5pt) main headings would fit the same > > vertically (if a little tighter to the following text) as 21/22.5pt - > > the leading is the controlling factor here. > > You lost me again ;) I think I should go away and just experiment for > some time. Thanks for trying though :) Playing is definitely the best way to learn. While playing remember that any dimension box in Opro can take any units the proram recognises, so you can set the grid in points (even though the display will convert it to cm when you confirm it). The main point I was trying to make with this paragraph is that the font size is (nearly) irrelevant, it is the leading which will determine how well/easily things line up. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 14:17:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ap1pK-0003VZ-DJ-0003Wb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:17:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ap1pK-0003VZ-DJ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:59:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap1pK-0003VZ-DJ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:59:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap1pJ-0007cK-NL; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:59:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ap1ox-0006rF-U0; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:58:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i168vpr30709 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:57:51 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i168vo730705 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:57:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040206085750.BJP28184.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:57:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:57:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Thu 05 Feb, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message <4c7c2e5da8sbellon@sbellon.de> > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > >I'd like paragraphs to be treated as entities on a page in the same > > > >way as words are on a line, with the difference that the possibility > > > >of expansion or (slight) contraction of the inter-paragraph space > > > >would be part of the style definition. Thus the space (or lack of > > > >it) between consecutive paragraphs could be fixed but the space > > > >above and below headings and other set-off matter could 'breathe' > > > >and allow the bottom lines of facing pages to line up at the bottom > > > >of the page, regardless of what odd spaces above and below (in terms > > > >of the line spacing of the main text) were defined for them. > > > > > That's a good idea, I like it, and it would be quite easy to do. > > Hooray! Yes, I think it will be a better vertical justification scheme than the current one of padding the leading of every line. I think it might also help Sendu's question in the start of this thread. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 14:17:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ap3GK-0002pQ-5t-0002rU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:17:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ap3GK-0002pQ-5t; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:31:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap3GK-0002pQ-5t; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:31:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap3GK-0003lZ-Ep; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:31:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ap3G6-0007L8-9Q; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:30:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16AUhs09611 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:30:43 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16AUeE09592 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:30:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=59211 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ap3Fw-000499-FB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:30:40 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55980 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ap3Fv-0003gp-Fi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:30:39 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c3ec9c$931fe460$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <6b59057c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <002c01c3ec2c$c2970860$6502a8c0@padua> <29ec327c4c.martin@mw-software.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:30:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, February 06, 2004 12:24 AM, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <002c01c3ec2c$c2970860$6502a8c0@padua> > "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > >> As far as I can see, GhostScript in RISC OS also uses Windows-format >> fonts (.pfb, .afm .inf). > > Not Windows-format fonts at all, they are PostScript fonts. Generally, > when saying Windows-format fonts, one would mean TrueType. Weren't we talking about GhostScript - PostScript and so on ? :-) Windows-format of PostScript fonts is different from e.g. Macintosh format. When you want to convert a PostScript font with !T1toFont, you can do that only straight away with PostScript font files in WindowsPC format ... What is 'generally' said, doesn't need to be correct Maybe it was sometime in the past (skipping the .fon format), but surely not nowadays. Maybe take a look at: http://www.macromedia.com/support/fontographer/ts/documents/formats.htm and -as an extension- at: http://www.macromedia.com/support/fontographer/ts/documents/type3.htm Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 14:17:56 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ap47d-0004id-Jz-0004kY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:17:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ap47d-0004id-Jz; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:26:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap47d-0004id-Jz; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:26:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap47b-0007Jf-M7; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:26:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ap47O-0004Vi-Vh; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:25:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16BPnK05602 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:25:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16BPnW05598 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:25:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ap47H-000KRE-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:25:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:56:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions Message-ID: <4c7c7247f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 06 Feb, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Thu 05 Feb, Bruce Goatly wrote: > > In message <4c7c2e5da8sbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon > > wrote: > > > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > >I'd like paragraphs to be treated as entities on a page in the > > > > >same way as words are on a line, with the difference that the > > > > >possibility of expansion or (slight) contraction of the > > > > >inter-paragraph space would be part of the style definition. Thus > > > > >the space (or lack of it) between consecutive paragraphs could be > > > > >fixed but the space above and below headings and other set-off > > > > >matter could 'breathe' and allow the bottom lines of facing pages > > > > >to line up at the bottom of the page, regardless of what odd > > > > >spaces above and below (in terms of the line spacing of the main > > > > >text) were defined for them. > > > > > > > That's a good idea, I like it, and it would be quite easy to do. > > > > Hooray! > Yes, I think it will be a better vertical justification scheme than the > current one of padding the leading of every line. I think it might also > help Sendu's question in the start of this thread. I'm still not convinced that it will give a better overall design. Whilst you can get the top and bottom lines to line up across columns those in-between won't match. Is this an improvement - or do I misunderstand? -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 14:18:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ap5dl-00055X-Lx-00056c."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:18:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ap5dl-00055X-Lx; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:03:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap5dl-00055X-Lx; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:03:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap5dl-0000WH-HR; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:03:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ap5cd-00031X-Sd; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:02:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16D23m30517 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:02:03 GMT Received: from trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk (cpc3-warw1-3-0-cust6.brhm.cable.ntl.com [80.5.186.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16D21H30504 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:02:01 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from gwen (unknown [192.168.1.103]) by trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AA77404B for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:02:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:02:27 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c3ecb1$78be74a0$6701a8c0@gwen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <4c7c7247f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_30,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Yes, I think it will be a better vertical justification scheme than > > the current one of padding the leading of every line. I > think it might > > also help Sendu's question in the start of this thread. > > I'm still not convinced that it will give a better overall > design. Whilst you can get the top and bottom lines to line > up across columns those in-between won't match. Is this an > improvement - or do I misunderstand? Hi all, For single page layouts in particular, a well-designed vertical justification scheme would be excellent. For example, imagine a simple A4 poster for an event, made up of the following lines: -----top------ 12pt venue 54pt HEADLINE 36pt subtitle 12pt price/box office info 24pt date/time 10pt sponsors ----bottom---- There is an ideal visual spacing for these elements, which is not equal to a simple % or pt size leading after each line. It would have a different spacing before and after each line depending on the relative pt sizes of the nearest neighbours and their visual density. I think that TeX is pretty good at justifying these sort of spaces (using so-called 'springs' such as the \vfil command, I believe). Equally, if you were doing a single spread for an advert, to be able to let paragraphs justify themselves on the page could be a convenient shortcut. However, if you're producing copy-heavy columnar material, or documents with more than one page, then a well-disciplined grid layout (well described by Anthony) is always a better starting point for a more polished result. Breaking out of the grid after you've set it up is a designer's prerogative. Learning to design to a grid first is certainly more work. However, it will make a document conform to the visual language of print we see every day in newspapers, books and magazines, which can only benefit the reader. Best, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 14:18:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ap633-0005CH-BF-0005Ds."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:18:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ap633-0005CH-BF; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:29:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap633-0005CH-BF; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:29:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap633-0004Qz-9y; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:29:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ap62f-00047L-5O; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:29:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16DT3Y12557 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:29:03 GMT Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16DT2s12549 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:29:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-18-205.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.205] helo=alfchamings.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Ap62Q-0008On-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:28:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:27:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News - OP 2.73 RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thu 05 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > >Can anyone please tell me why I am getting this problem when I try to run > >Freshen - I get an error message: File: System.Modules.CLIB not found. > > OK from the point of view of anyone without the new C lib, what was on > the web site was wrong. I've corrected things now. > Thanks, David. Upgrade now complete. The same happened last time, actually, but I put off reporting anything because I thought there was probably something wrong with CLIB on my computer which I could fix. I never got around to investigating. Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 14:18:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ap6cW-0000W9-AI-0000Yi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:18:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ap6cW-0000W9-AI; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:06:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap6cW-0000W9-AI; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:06:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap6cV-0006SJ-Mh; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:06:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ap6c9-0008Vr-0n; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:05:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16E5g302411 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:05:42 GMT Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16E5fR02405 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:05:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:05:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:02:02 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions Message-ID: <6545837c4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c7c7247f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2004 14:05:40.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DCE8C40:01C3ECBA] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c7c7247f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > I'm still not convinced that it will give a better overall design. Whilst > you can get the top and bottom lines to line up across columns those > in-between won't match. Is this an improvement - or do I misunderstand? No, you haven't misunderstood me - I wasn't (intentionally) advocating using it for multiple-column work, for which Nick Kaijaks' comments are valuable. I was describing the situation for single-column (especially book or journal) pages that all need to end at the same place on a page but aren't going to suffer visually if the lines don't match up across the spine. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 14:18:02 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ap6g5-0005hh-GJ-0005iy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:18:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ap6g5-0005hh-GJ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:09:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap6g5-0005hh-GJ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:09:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap6g4-0001tR-MT; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:09:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ap6fi-0005BW-3x; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:09:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16E9Oo04278 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:09:24 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16E9Lc04199 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:09:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=47971 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ap6fZ-0000if-NR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:09:21 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55397 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ap6fY-0005pl-OO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:09:20 +0100 Message-ID: <004001c3ecbb$20154450$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4c7c7247f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:11:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, February 06, 2004 11:56 AM, John Cartmell wrote: > On 06 Feb, Anthony Hilton wrote: >> In on Thu 05 Feb, Bruce Goatly wrote: >>> In message <4c7c2e5da8sbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon >>> wrote: >>> >>>> David Pilling wrote: >>>>>> I'd like paragraphs to be treated as entities on a page in the >>>>>> same way as words are on a line, with the difference that the >>>>>> possibility of expansion or (slight) contraction of the >>>>>> inter-paragraph space would be part of the style definition. Thus >>>>>> the space (or lack of it) between consecutive paragraphs could be >>>>>> fixed but the space above and below headings and other set-off >>>>>> matter could 'breathe' and allow the bottom lines of facing pages >>>>>> to line up at the bottom of the page, regardless of what odd >>>>>> spaces above and below (in terms of the line spacing of the main >>>>>> text) were defined for them. >>>> >>>>> That's a good idea, I like it, and it would be quite easy to do. >>> >>> Hooray! > >> Yes, I think it will be a better vertical justification scheme than >> the current one of padding the leading of every line. I think it >> might also help Sendu's question in the start of this thread. > > I'm still not convinced that it will give a better overall design. > Whilst you can get the top and bottom lines to line up across columns > those in-between won't match. Is this an improvement - or do I > misunderstand? I agree with John Cartmell, that I am not convinced. Surely for multi-page and multi-column layouts, lock to baseline on for some styles and off for others is a very good feature for line up. Anthony Hilton wrote: >>> I decide the body type size and leading first. The baseline spacing >>> I use in the document is then set to body leading. Headings are set >>> with a combination of leading and space to be a multiple of the >>> baseline grid spacing. >>> ... > Playing is definitely the best way to learn. While playing remember > that any dimension box in Opro can take any units the proram > recognises, so you can set the grid in points (even though the > display will convert it to cm when you confirm it). > > The main point I was trying to make with this paragraph is that the > font size is (nearly) irrelevant, it is the leading which will > determine how well/easily things line up. I think, that -as long as font+fontsize+leading fit in the your choosen grid- it is safe to set 'lock to baseline' for these styles. No 'lock to baseline' leaves you with playing with font+leading+Modify Frame-->First line. In general, this will only have to be done for a few styles. Font can also be an issue. Trinity.Bold or Trinity.Medium.Italic can have different leading in the same grid. And of course, Modify Text frame-->First line can also give improvements in certain situations. When you have decided on the best grid spacing for your document, you can improve vertical aligment by position the grid in such a way, that it gives you the best vertical aligment possible in the (main) frames. This can be done with entering the best value in the Document Preferences-->Text. The default baseline grid origin of 50 point can be changed. As Anthony said also with other measurements e.g. 4 mm. Of course, this can be done much easier, when you have 'show baseline grid on', not only 'show object'. Tonnie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 14:37:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ap72U-0005nF-As-0005oq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:37:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ap72U-0005nF-As; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:33:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap72U-0005nF-As; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:33:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap72U-0005ta-7q; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:33:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ap72B-0001tB-73; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:32:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16EWcO19533 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:32:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16EWb119526 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:32:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ap724-0000Ks-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:32:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:30:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions Message-ID: <4c7c85eb46john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6545837c4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> References: <4c7c7247f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <6545837c4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 06 Feb, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message <4c7c7247f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell > wrote: > > I'm still not convinced that it will give a better overall design. > > Whilst you can get the top and bottom lines to line up across columns > > those in-between won't match. Is this an improvement - or do I > > misunderstand? > No, you haven't misunderstood me - I wasn't (intentionally) advocating > using it for multiple-column work, for which Nick Kaijaks' comments are > valuable. I was describing the situation for single-column (especially > book or journal) pages that all need to end at the same place on a page > but aren't going to suffer visually if the lines don't match up across > the spine. That makes sense. For titling or tickets / posters &c I'd tend to use ArtWorks because of the vertical control. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 16:37:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ap8uD-0004zj-HK-000522."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:37:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ap8uD-0004zj-HK; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:32:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap8uD-0004zj-HK; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:32:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap8uD-0002gc-32; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:32:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ap8tt-0003Xr-Q7; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:32:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16GW5R25346 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:32:05 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16GW3025332 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:32:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=60529 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ap8te-0004dX-UC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:32:02 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55535 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ap8te-0003k4-7q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:32:02 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01c3eccf$0f29aa00$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News - OP 2.73 RISC OS Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:34:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:15 PM, David Pilling wrote: >> Can anyone please tell me why I am getting this problem when I try >> to run Freshen - I get an error message: File: System.Modules.CLIB >> not found. > > At face value, Freshen is trying to find the new C library. > > I'll have to go check but it sounds like I have slipped up, i.e. > whilst the latest OP does not need the new C lib, Freshen does. Odd > that this didn't come to light with the previous version. > A bit of topic: There is a new CLIB on Castles website: 5.47. Without what didn't went OK in 5.46. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 17:27:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ap9eU-0007D0-JD-0007Ez."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:27:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ap9eU-0007D0-JD; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:20:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap9eU-0007D0-JD; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:20:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ap9eU-00075x-Ol; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:20:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ap9e3-0005nZ-Cp; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:19:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16HJne18501 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:19:49 GMT Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16HJml18495 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:19:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bts-0321.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.49.65] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ap9dr-0001Nu-00 for ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:19:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:12:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News - OP 2.73 RISC OS Message-ID: <4c7c94ae89mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <002e01c3eccf$0f29aa00$6502a8c0@padua> References: <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <002e01c3eccf$0f29aa00$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <002e01c3eccf$0f29aa00$6502a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:15 PM, > David Pilling wrote: > >> Can anyone please tell me why I am getting this problem when I try > >> to run Freshen - I get an error message: File: System.Modules.CLIB > >> not found. > > > > At face value, Freshen is trying to find the new C library. > > > > I'll have to go check but it sounds like I have slipped up, i.e. > > whilst the latest OP does not need the new C lib, Freshen does. Odd > > that this didn't come to light with the previous version. > > > A bit of topic: > There is a new CLIB on Castles website: 5.47. Without what didn't went OK in > 5.46. Can you give the url: to this module please , I have been on Castle site but cannot find it. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |======== Risc OS Virus Free =========|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 17:57:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApA4b-0006zN-Jb-00070Z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:57:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApA4b-0006zN-Jb; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:47:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApA4b-0006zN-Jb; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:47:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApA4a-0007mi-G1; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:47:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApA4S-0001UV-Jw; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:47:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16HkiQ01942 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:46:44 GMT Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16Hkhw01936 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:46:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:46:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:42:57 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions Message-ID: <377f977c4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004001c3ecbb$20154450$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2004 17:46:42.0749 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E6D76D0:01C3ECD9] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <004001c3ecbb$20154450$6502a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > > I'm still not convinced that it will give a better overall design. > > Whilst you can get the top and bottom lines to line up across columns > > those in-between won't match. Is this an improvement - or do I > > misunderstand? > > I agree with John Cartmell, that I am not convinced. Surely for multi-page > and > multi-column layouts, lock to baseline on for some styles and off for others > is a very good feature for line up. I'm not convinced that that would work for the type of work I've described, where there can be quotations set in smaller type set off from the main text by spaces above and below. If one switches off locking to the baseline grid for the quotations (as one would have to), one is left with perhaps a space of 8pt above the quotation and 4pt below it. Very ugly. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 17:57:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApAAn-0001f2-Hm-0001fs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:57:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApAAn-0001f2-Hm; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:53:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApAAn-0001f2-Hm; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:53:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApAAn-0001Sc-1l; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:53:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApAAJ-0007x8-OX; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:53:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16Hqsf04729 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:52:54 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16HqqA04716 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:52:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-3262.putangitangi.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.78.204.190] helo=localhost) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ApA9r-0005R2-FA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:52:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:52:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: News - OP 2.73 RISC OS Message-ID: <4c7c9861eamark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <001a01c3eb07$e451cb50$6502a8c0@padua> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Just upgraded from 2.72 (31-July-03) but every time I try to run it, I > >get an error saying SWI &11E0 not known. > Sorry I have no idea. I wonder if there is any indication at what point > in proceedings the error is occurring (e.g. does the main program load > or what?). > Is the number 11E0 above accurate? I can't find what that SWI is, which > makes me wonder if the new code is corrupted (i.e. your downloaded copy > of it). Must've been a corrupted download as I've downloaded it again and it now runs fine :) -- Beer, Normie? Uh, Coach, I dunno, I had one this week. Eh, why not, I'm still young. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 18:17:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApAVL-0002gQ-Ku-0002hY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:17:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApAVL-0002gQ-Ku; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApAVL-0002gQ-Ku; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApAVL-0007Go-9G; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApAV9-0005KD-B6; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:14:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16IEK515267 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:14:20 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16IEIX15255 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:14:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApAUc-0000Qh-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:14:18 +0100 Received: from [172.183.155.197] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApAUc-0000cP-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:14:18 +0100 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:13:42 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News - OP 2.73 RISC OS Message-ID: References: <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c94ae89mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c7c94ae89mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c7c94ae89mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> Michael M Martin wrote: > In article <002e01c3eccf$0f29aa00$6502a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > On Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:15 PM, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > >> Can anyone please tell me why I am getting this problem when I try > > >> to run Freshen - I get an error message: File: System.Modules.CLIB > > >> not found. > > > > > > At face value, Freshen is trying to find the new C library. > > > > > > I'll have to go check but it sounds like I have slipped up, i.e. > > > whilst the latest OP does not need the new C lib, Freshen does. Odd > > > that this didn't come to light with the previous version. > > > > > > A bit of topic: > > There is a new CLIB on Castles website: 5.47. Without what didn't went > > OK in 5.46. > > Can you give the url: to this module please , I have been on Castle site > but cannot find it. http://www.iyonix.com/32bit/system.shtml Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 19:17:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApBQU-0000bj-7K-0000ct."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:17:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApBQU-0000bj-7K; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:14:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApBQU-0000bj-7K; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:14:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApBQT-0003p0-EU; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:14:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApBPk-00053K-L3; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:13:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16JDFE10749 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:13:15 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16JDEk10740 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:13:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApBPe-0004Yj-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:13:14 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApBPd-000266-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:13:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:13:55 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions Message-ID: <0cd39f7c4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 6 Feb, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Thu 05 Feb, Bruce Goatly wrote: > > In message <4c7c2e5da8sbellon@sbellon.de> > > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > >I'd like paragraphs to be treated as entities on a page in the same > > > > >way as words are on a line, with the difference that the possibility > > > > >of expansion or (slight) contraction of the inter-paragraph space > > > > >would be part of the style definition. Thus the space (or lack of > > > > >it) between consecutive paragraphs could be fixed but the space > > > > >above and below headings and other set-off matter could 'breathe' > > > > >and allow the bottom lines of facing pages to line up at the bottom > > > > >of the page, regardless of what odd spaces above and below (in terms > > > > >of the line spacing of the main text) were defined for them. > > > > > > > That's a good idea, I like it, and it would be quite easy to do. > > > > Hooray! > > Yes, I think it will be a better vertical justification scheme than the > current one of padding the leading of every line. I think it might also help > Sendu's question in the start of this thread. The journals that I read that use vertical justification just do it in OvnPro's simple way of changing the leading of each line. However, thanks for all the suggestions and help re. lock to baseline - I haven't finished my design, but already it looks a lot better than anything I ever managed in Impression. I'll definitely stick with baseline for my two column layout, but the idea above, expanded on by Nick Kaijaks later in the thread certainly sounds interesting for single column layouts. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 6 19:47:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApBt9-0006Dh-QQ-0006ER."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:47:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApBt9-0006Dh-QQ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:43:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApBt9-0006Dh-QQ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:43:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApBt8-0006aW-VX; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:43:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApBsx-0004ji-0l; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:43:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i16JhPR20700 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:43:25 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i16JhOd20695 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:43:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=41900 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ApBsq-0001pw-80 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:43:24 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55535 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ApBsp-00078j-II for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:43:23 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c3ece9$ca9fa0e0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <377f977c4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:45:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, February 06, 2004 6:42 PM, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message <004001c3ecbb$20154450$6502a8c0@padua> > "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > >>> I'm still not convinced that it will give a better overall design. >>> Whilst you can get the top and bottom lines to line up across >>> columns those in-between won't match. Is this an improvement - or >>> do I misunderstand? >> >> I agree with John Cartmell, that I am not convinced. Surely for >> multi-page and >> multi-column layouts, lock to baseline on for some styles and off >> for others is a very good feature for line up. > > I'm not convinced that that would work for the type of work I've > described, where there can be quotations set in smaller type set off > from the main text by spaces above and below. If one switches off > locking to the baseline grid for the quotations (as one would have > to), one is left with perhaps a space of 8pt above the quotation and > 4pt below it. Very ugly. Of course, setting "lock to baseline off" for some styles, isn't ALL that is needed. It gives freedom to position and to treat a part of text differently. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 7 14:11:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApT96-0006xw-CV-0006ys."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:11:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApT96-0006xw-CV; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:09:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApT96-0006xw-CV; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:09:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApT96-0001lF-N9; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:09:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApT8n-0007YJ-JI; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:09:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i17E7q022656 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:07:52 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i17E7qB22649 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:07:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.209] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApT7f-0005To-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 15:07:51 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApT7f-0002ku-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 15:07:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:08:49 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Keep together, relative font size Message-ID: <30ba077d4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Is there any way to define 'keep together' styles, if for instance you don't want a paragraph to ever be split between two pages/columns? I'd also like a 'keep with next paragraph' to keep subheadings and the first paragraph of a section together. Also, is there any way to define a relative font size in a style? For instance I want a url style that has certain attributes, one of which is to be 1pt smaller than the surrounding text. URLs may appear within text of styles with different font sizes. Or do I need a different url style for each of my other styles? Please add the above to the features request list, if such a thing exists. -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 7 14:20:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApTB3-0005Ug-7F-0005VK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:20:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApTB3-0005Ug-7F; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:11:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApTB3-0005Ug-7F; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:11:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApTB3-00039E-2N; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:11:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApTAn-0005IK-AD; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:11:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i17EAR023781 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:10:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i17EAR523774 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:10:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApTAA-000AUs-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:10:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:32:08 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions References: <4c7c7247f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <000a01c3ecb1$78be74a0$6701a8c0@gwen> In-Reply-To: <000a01c3ecb1$78be74a0$6701a8c0@gwen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) So on vertical justification... with great foresight the program has room in the file for 16 types. Of which 4 are currently used. Proposed additional ones would be; (a) expand space between paragraphs (b) expand space between all lines in proportion to line height -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 7 14:40:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApTTl-0006q5-8h-0006s1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:40:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApTTl-0006q5-8h; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:30:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApTTl-0006q5-8h; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:30:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApTTl-0004nH-CT; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:30:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApTTb-0000Lf-R8; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:30:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i17EU3N29748 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:30:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i17EU1Y29707 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:30:01 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApTT6-000EYg-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:30:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:28:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Keep together, relative font size References: <30ba077d4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <30ba077d4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is there any way to define 'keep together' styles, if for instance you >don't want a paragraph to ever be split between two pages/columns? I'd >also like a 'keep with next paragraph' to keep subheadings and the >first paragraph of a section together. Not at the moment. This feature was in the original spec. you can find the buttons hidden in the templates, and it is supported in the file format etc. But it is not implemented. >Also, is there any way to define a relative font size in a style? No. > For >instance I want a url style that has certain attributes, one of which >is to be 1pt smaller than the surrounding text. URLs may appear within >text of styles with different font sizes. Or do I need a different url >style for each of my other styles? Good idea. There is something I've long wanted to do with styles which might cover this. I'm afraid the lack of progress is a weak point. However you know the situation with Acorn/RISC OS etc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 7 18:40:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApXFD-0000ei-A3-0000fg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:40:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApXFD-0000ei-A3; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:31:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApXFD-0000ei-A3; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:31:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApXFC-0004jX-UW; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:31:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApXE5-0008Id-EO; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:30:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i17IUNQ21732 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:30:23 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i17IUMf21717 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:30:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from Iyo ([80.0.194.220]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040207182946.MXDD9105.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyo> for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:29:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Grahame Parish To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:29:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Keep together, relative font size Message-ID: <4c7d1fa382maillist.parish@millers-way.net> In-Reply-To: References: <30ba077d4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Is there any way to define 'keep together' styles, if for instance you > >don't want a paragraph to ever be split between two pages/columns? I'd > >also like a 'keep with next paragraph' to keep subheadings and the > >first paragraph of a section together. > Not at the moment. This feature was in the original spec. you can find > the buttons hidden in the templates, and it is supported in the file > format etc. But it is not implemented. In addition to the above, how about an option in paragraph styles to hide the blank line if the previous paragraph ends directly before a page break so that you don't get a blank line at the top of a page. Cheers, Grahame. -- Grahame Parish maillistDOTparishATmillersHYPHENwayDOTnet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 7 18:50:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApXNM-0000HC-CW-0000Hk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:50:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApXNM-0000HC-CW; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:40:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApXNM-0000HC-CW; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:40:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApXNM-0001Ia-MJ; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:40:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApXKv-0001y9-6T; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:37:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i17IbOX23789 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:37:24 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i17IbNA23786 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:37:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApXKV-0002im-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:37:23 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.144] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApXKV-0003HS-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:37:23 +0100 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:36:45 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Keep together, relative font size Message-ID: <3542207d4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <30ba077d4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7d1fa382maillist.parish@millers-way.net> In-Reply-To: <4c7d1fa382maillist.parish@millers-way.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c7d1fa382maillist.parish@millers-way.net> Grahame Parish wrote: > In addition to the above, how about an option in paragraph styles to > hide the blank line if the previous paragraph ends directly before a > page break so that you don't get a blank line at the top of a page. Blank line? You do not need blank lines to separate paragraphs. If you use "space after" in the style, you can easily achieve what you want: Some space after a paragraph that only appears if there is another paragraph after it on the same page. If the paragraph is at the bottom of a page, the space is ignored and there is no space preceding the next paragraph on the following page. You do not normally need any blank lines in a properly formatted document (and hence no feature to hide them). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 7 19:20:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApXxT-0003E2-3K-0003FD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:20:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApXxT-0003E2-3K; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:17:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApXxT-0003E2-3K; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:17:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApXxS-0006J6-Oh; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:17:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApXxB-0005HJ-74; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:17:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i17JHE504525 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:17:14 GMT Received: from smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.10]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i17JHD904522 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:17:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:17:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:16:06 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions Message-ID: <69dc237d4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2004 19:17:13.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDB9CAD0:01C3EDAE] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > So on vertical justification... with great foresight the program has > room in the file for 16 types. Of which 4 are currently used. > > Proposed additional ones would be; > > (a) expand space between paragraphs > (b) expand space between all lines in proportion to line height My brain is in weekend mode, David - what is the practical benefit of (b) over (a), please? Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 7 20:00:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApYb4-00073M-8D-00079L."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:00:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApYb4-00073M-8D; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:58:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApYb4-00073M-8D; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:58:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApYb4-0002I5-9n; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:58:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApYap-0002oK-Vu; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:58:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i17Jw4718746 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:58:04 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i17Jw3P18737 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:58:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApYaZ-000LRh-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:58:03 +0000 Message-ID: <9Nh39oALMUJAFw0R@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:56:59 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro general questions References: <69dc237d4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <69dc237d4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> (b) expand space between all lines in proportion to line height >My brain is in weekend mode, David - what is the practical benefit of (b) >over (a), please? It was an attempt to implement Nick Kaijaks comments from yesterday - looking more closely at what he said, it's perhaps not good enough. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 7 21:30:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApZss-0000Y1-Ci-0000ZN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:30:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApZss-0000Y1-Ci; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:21:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApZss-0000Y1-Ci; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:21:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApZss-0001Of-Lk; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:21:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApZs0-0003Q7-5G; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:20:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i17LJjO20197 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:19:45 GMT Received: from hnexfe06.hetnet.nl (hnexfe06.hetnet.nl [195.121.6.172]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i17LJit20192 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:19:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from riscpc ([80.60.38.201]) by hnexfe06.hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:19:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:19:58 +0100 From: Frits Polak To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: News - OP 2.73 RISC OS Message-ID: <72332f7d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c9861eamark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c7c9861eamark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2004 21:19:44.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B527B80:01C3EDC0] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c7c9861eamark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> Mark Fraser wrote: > In article <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >Just upgraded from 2.72 (31-July-03) but every time I try to run it, I > > >get an error saying SWI &11E0 not known. > > > Sorry I have no idea. I wonder if there is any indication at what point > > in proceedings the error is occurring (e.g. does the main program load > > or what?). > > > Is the number 11E0 above accurate? I can't find what that SWI is, which > > makes me wonder if the new code is corrupted (i.e. your downloaded copy > > of it). > > Must've been a corrupted download as I've downloaded it again and it now > runs fine :) > That's nice for you, but I still can't get it to run at my RPC at home, despite several downloads. I keep on getting the error message "SWI &E24F not known" This also happens if I just double click on the !RunImage file. I am running RISCOS Select 4.37 and the 32-bit CLib 4.57. After "upgrading" OvPro under VirtualRPC-SE (also running Select 4.37) I have the same problem. If I downgrade the application to version 2.72 all is fine again! The funny thing is that Ovpro 273 runs fine on my RPC at work which has a similar setup. What module or so am I missing at home that knows about SWI &E24F ? Help much appreciated! Frits -- Frits Polak Abcoude -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 7 22:40:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Apb68-00047E-Ai-00047w."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:40:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Apb68-00047E-Ai; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:38:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Apb68-00047E-Ai; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:38:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Apb68-0005lW-4M; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:38:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Apb5p-0002k8-Ku; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:38:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i17Mc3i08682 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:38:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i17Mc2W08678 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:38:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Apb5O-000Bn5-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:38:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:36:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: News - OP 2.73 RISC OS References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c9861eamark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <72332f7d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> In-Reply-To: <72332f7d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I keep on getting the error message "SWI &E24F not known" This also >happens if I just double click on the !RunImage file. I am running I would be inclined to go with the corruption idea, and copy the working !RunImage to the copy that raises the above error. Freshen on OP is just copying files, there is no patching or anything complex. All that is different between two copies is the RegData file that details who the copy belongs to. SparkFS does not check the CRC's on files in Zips [1] - Spark/SparkPlug do. So if I was wondering about file corruption I'd unpack with Spark. [1] feet of clay (again). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Feb 8 01:10:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApdLp-0006pE-4e-0006qU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 01:10:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApdLp-0006pE-4e; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:03:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApdLp-0006pE-4e; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:03:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApdLp-0000Wx-2R; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:03:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApdLI-0004kO-2t; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:02:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1812D113480 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 01:02:13 GMT Received: from hnexfe06.hetnet.nl (hnexfe06.hetnet.nl [195.121.6.172]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1812Dl13477 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 01:02:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from riscpc ([80.60.38.201]) by hnexfe06.hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 8 Feb 2004 02:02:12 +0100 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 02:02:34 +0100 From: Frits Polak To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: News - OP 2.73 RISC OS Message-ID: <7994437d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c9861eamark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <72332f7d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2004 01:02:12.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F9D8C50:01C3EDDF] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >I keep on getting the error message "SWI &E24F not known" This also > >happens if I just double click on the !RunImage file. I am running > > I would be inclined to go with the corruption idea, and copy the working > !RunImage to the copy that raises the above error. > > Freshen on OP is just copying files, there is no patching or anything > complex. All that is different between two copies is the RegData file > that details who the copy belongs to. > > SparkFS does not check the CRC's on files in Zips [1] - Spark/SparkPlug > do. So if I was wondering about file corruption I'd unpack with Spark. > > > [1] feet of clay (again). > > Thanks David, You were right about corruption. I tried Spark on the archive and indeed, it reported a bad CRC. But several repeated downloads all reported this bad CRC. BUT, instead of downloading with Oregano-2 (which is my default browser, I downloaded it with Oregano-1 and then I got an intact archive and the subsequent upgrading went painless! But the funny thing is, I also tried to download the archive with IE-6 on my Wintel-XP machine and that also produced a corrupt archive! So what really is causing this, I don't know! Thanks anyway, Frits -- Frits Polak Abcoude -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Feb 8 02:30:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApeZM-0005oX-H2-0005os."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 02:30:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApeZM-0005oX-H2; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 02:21:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApeZM-0005oX-H2; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 02:21:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApeZM-00070o-3O; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 02:21:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApeZ4-0001rA-2n; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 02:20:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i182K8927440 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 02:20:08 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i182K8s27436 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 02:20:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApeYI-000C7c-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 02:20:06 +0000 Message-ID: <7ABm+IDLyZJAFwlD@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 02:18:51 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: News - OP 2.73 RISC OS References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c9861eamark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <72332f7d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <7994437d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> In-Reply-To: <7994437d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >thing is, I also tried to download the archive with IE-6 on my Wintel-XP >machine and that also produced a corrupt archive! So what really is It has been said in the past that corrupt copies of archives can get stuck in caches, so when you download again, you download the same corrupt copy. In the past I had two web sites and so dloading from the other one was a fix. Simplest problem is truncation, and it is easy to look at file lengths. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Feb 8 14:07:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AphUS-0001I3-Kk-0001NJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:07:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AphUS-0001I3-Kk; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 05:28:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AphUS-0001I3-Kk; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 05:28:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AphUS-0005yD-8r; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 05:28:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AphUD-0004Sg-1U; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 05:28:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i185RaT06025 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 05:27:36 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i185RZp05993 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 05:27:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from rpc.OFFICE (ip219-88-211-20.kc.net.nz [219.88.211.20]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 44F694012B0 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:19:33 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 09:22:52 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <4c7c224cfftim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_48_96,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Incidently, I managed to create a document from scratch that > demonstrates the problem. horray! > Since the PS output of the second page does not change, it is clear > that this is not an OP problem, nor a problem of the PS driver. It > is a GS problem. Um, sort of agree. But it's in combination with RO ps. If I generate the ps (original doc) from Windows (wOP), then pdf it with GS7 in RO, the problem isn't present. So it's not just GS7. It's either GS7 on RO, or GS with the particular (correct, as you say) flavour of RO ps. My worry was that, not knowing why it's going wrong, a v8 port might still present the same problem. Tim -- de-Sig. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Feb 8 14:07:12 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AplRG-0004JP-8k-0004Kd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:07:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AplRG-0004JP-8k; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:41:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AplRG-0004JP-8k; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:41:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AplRG-0005IH-HE; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:41:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AplO7-0003mb-1S; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:38:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i189bEQ20353 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:37:14 GMT Received: from mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (mta04-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.44]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i189bB220333 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:37:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.253.41.6]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040208093704.PTVW22174.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:37:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:37:20 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Registration question Message-ID: <8ab5727d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c9861eamark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <72332f7d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <7994437d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> In-Reply-To: <7994437d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Having moved house is there any way you can change your registration details in OPro 2.73 - or indeed should I be reporting the move to David? John Charman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Feb 8 14:17:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AppgT-0002yH-Ak-0002yt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:17:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AppgT-0002yH-Ak; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:13:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AppgT-0002yH-Ak; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:13:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AppgT-0005dm-2V; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:13:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AppgF-0007Gq-JH; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:13:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i18EBne06387 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:11:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i18EBmj06383 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:11:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Appf2-000E0f-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:48 +0000 Message-ID: <8N63NqAkNkJAFwUa@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:10:44 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Registration question References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c9861eamark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <72332f7d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <7994437d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <8ab5727d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8ab5727d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Having moved house is there any way you can change your registration >details in OPro 2.73 - or indeed should I be reporting the move to >David? If you want your address changing, tell me about it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 10 16:51:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApsFR-00035m-7n-00036G."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:51:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApsFR-00035m-7n; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:57:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApsFR-00035m-7n; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:57:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApsFR-0000E0-7T; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:57:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApsEk-0003OJ-Vl; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:56:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i18GtZC29158 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 16:55:35 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i18GtZ329127 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 16:55:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApsDW-0003On-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:55:34 +0100 Received: from [172.179.82.213] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ApsDW-0003ci-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:55:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:54:55 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro - odd postscript output? Message-ID: <7dc59a7d4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7c224cfftim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c7c224cfftim@dsign.co.nz> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c7c224cfftim@dsign.co.nz> Tim King wrote: > In article , > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > Incidently, I managed to create a document from scratch that > > demonstrates the problem. > > horray! > > > Since the PS output of the second page does not change, it is clear > > that this is not an OP problem, nor a problem of the PS driver. It > > is a GS problem. > > Um, sort of agree. But it's in combination with RO ps. If I generate the > ps (original doc) from Windows (wOP), then pdf it with GS7 in RO, the > problem isn't present. So it's not just GS7. It's either GS7 on RO, or > GS with the particular (correct, as you say) flavour of RO ps. But the RO PS is correct, so it is simply a fact that GS7 has a bug when converting this specific PostScript output. Of course, if you generate the PS under Windows, then the PS is different so this particular bug does not show. > My worry was that, not knowing why it's going wrong, a v8 port might > still present the same problem. Fortunately, it appears that it does not. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 10 16:51:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApsTP-0006oR-KU-0006ov."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:51:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApsTP-0006oR-KU; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:12:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApsTP-0006oR-KU; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:11:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApsTP-0004i0-4B; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:11:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ApsTA-0003IB-9U; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:11:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i18HBDP03916 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:11:13 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i18HBCQ03911 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:11:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld.com ([213.104.212.186]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040208171029.CKUH9105.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:10:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:12:07 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Registration question Message-ID: <91589c7d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0efa997a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <2bYVoSLU5wHAFwlK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0211d97a4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <6ea91d7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <630b2a7b4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> <4c7b36a812tim@dsign.co.nz> <4c7bb82369tim@dsign.co.nz> <5Rs2qrN6YbIAFwN3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c18b541mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <5Fh2$cDM1sIAFwcS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c7c9861eamark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <72332f7d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <7994437d4c.fritspolak@fritspolak.hetnet.nl> <8ab5727d4c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <8N63NqAkNkJAFwUa@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8N63NqAkNkJAFwUa@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8N63NqAkNkJAFwUa@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >Having moved house is there any way you can change your registration > >details in OPro 2.73 - or indeed should I be reporting the move to > >David? > > If you want your address changing, tell me about it. > Thanks Dave, thought there might be an easy way and didn't want to bother you.... My registration number is 5091 and my new address is: 2 Woodcock Close, Norwich NR3 3TW Thanks John Charman old address was 45 Smiths Lane, Fakemham, Norfolk NR21 8LQ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 10 16:51:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ApvqS-0005bt-JV-0005co."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:51:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ApvqS-0005bt-JV; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:48:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApvqS-0005bt-JV; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:48:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ApvqR-0006nI-Qr; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:47:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Apvpl-00026y-Js; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:47:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i18Kkj907490 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:46:45 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i18KkiG07485 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:46:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ppp-225-3-20.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.3.20]:1026 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ApvpC-000PF1-DR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:46:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:32:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Graphic problem Message-ID: <4c7daea73bdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm wondering if there's a solution to my problem... Aside from keep taking the tablets. I have a Draw created graphic, it contains lots of coloured graded objects on an A5 sized graded background. On this SARPC Select 4.37 it take over a minute to redraw *any* changes. Aside from reducing the document view down to 30% to get faster redraws...(But then you can't see what's really happening at that small scale) anyone know of a way to do this as one can in Impression Publisher with Menu-View-Quality-Outline? For those who might not know, with the above noted setting, Impression presents the the graphic as a simple outline, which can be moved, positioned, resized very quickly... (Same graphic, takes a couple of seconds instead of over a minute for each action in OvPro). Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 10 16:52:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AqAAM-0007hj-LF-0007iR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:52:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AqAAM-0007hj-LF; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:05:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AqAAM-0007hj-LF; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:05:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AqAAM-0005Mh-8u; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:05:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AqA9n-0003t7-0J; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:04:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i19C3w932361 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:03:58 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i19C3vS32350 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:03:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AqA8o-0002Hm-AS; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:03:54 +0000 Received: from host81-136-104-105.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.136.104.105]) (WebMail authenticated user be82) by email.argonet.co.uk with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:03:54 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <63862.81.136.104.105.1076328234.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:03:54 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re:[softwarelist] Re: News - OP 2.73 RISC OS From: "Alan Philip Dawes" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: WebMail (version 3.31 ß) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,MISSING_MIMEOLE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Feb, Frits Polak wrote: > You were right about corruption. I tried Spark on the archive and > indeed, it reported a bad CRC. But several repeated downloads all > reported this bad CRC. BUT, instead of downloading with Oregano-2 (which > is my default browser, I downloaded it with Oregano-1 and then I got an > intact archive and the subsequent upgrading went painless! But the funny > thing is, I also tried to download the archive with IE-6 on my Wintel-XP > machine and that also produced a corrupt archive! So what really is > causing this, I don't know! It's probably not the browser as it is likely that when you downloaded the file you found to be corrupted a server close to you in NL (probably your ISP's) cached it and your subsequent corrupted download came from the cache on that server rather than from David's site. Alan -- alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 10 16:53:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AqDFw-0003DR-4u-0003F0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:53:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AqDFw-0003DR-4u; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:23:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AqDFw-0003DR-4u; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:23:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AqDFw-0002NH-7T; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:23:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AqDFQ-0000P0-AI; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:22:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i19FMY315532 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:22:34 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i19FMXL15529 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:22:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=58035 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AqDF2-0002wu-Q7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:22:32 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55034 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AqDF0-0002h6-Pi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:22:30 +0100 Message-ID: <003101c3ef20$d9963e40$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <63862.81.136.104.105.1076328234.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:[softwarelist] Re: News - OP 2.73 RISC OS Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:19:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Monday, February 09, 2004 1:03 PM, Alan Philip Dawes wrote: > On 08 Feb, Frits Polak wrote: >> You were right about corruption. I tried Spark on the archive and >> indeed, it reported a bad CRC. But several repeated downloads all >> reported this bad CRC. BUT, instead of downloading with Oregano-2 >> (which is my default browser, I downloaded it with Oregano-1 and >> then I got an intact archive and the subsequent upgrading went >> painless! But the funny thing is, I also tried to download the >> archive with IE-6 on my Wintel-XP machine and that also produced a >> corrupt archive! So what really is causing this, I don't know! > > It's probably not the browser as it is likely that when you > downloaded the file you found to be corrupted a server close to you > in NL (probably your ISP's) cached it and your subsequent corrupted > download came from the cache on that server rather than from David's > site. I also downloaded mine with IE-6. From the NL (which doesn't mean same ISP and server). Download and install: no problem. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 10 18:01:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aqc43-0001oV-Sb-0001px."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:01:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aqc43-0001oV-Sb; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:52:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aqc43-0001oV-Sb; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:52:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aqc43-0004qH-Ha; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:52:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aqc3X-0002mL-3C; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:52:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1AHpmo29952 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:51:48 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1AHplF29940 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:51:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aqc31-0008mf-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:51:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:50:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Graphic problem References: <4c7daea73bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c7daea73bdfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >On this SARPC Select 4.37 it take over a minute to redraw *any* changes. >Aside from reducing the document view down to 30% to get faster >redraws...(But then you can't see what's really happening at that small >scale) anyone know of a way to do this as one can in Impression Publisher >with Menu-View-Quality-Outline? Convert to ArtWorks, and then the AW applet will let you change quality. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 10 19:41:12 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AqdbY-0003Mw-9y-0003NT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:41:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AqdbY-0003Mw-9y; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:31:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AqdbY-0003Mw-9y; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:31:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AqdbX-0002Rx-TS; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:31:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AqdbG-0006cY-4Q; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:31:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1AJV1615916 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:31:01 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1AJUwI15888 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:30:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-172-177.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.172.177]:1031 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AqdaN-000K5b-2L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:30:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:19:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Graphic problem Message-ID: <4c7eafb633dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4c7daea73bdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >On this SARPC Select 4.37 it take over a minute to redraw *any* > >changes. Aside from reducing the document view down to 30% to get > >faster redraws...(But then you can't see what's really happening at > >that small scale) anyone know of a way to do this as one can in > >Impression Publisher with Menu-View-Quality-Outline? > Convert to ArtWorks, and then the AW applet will let you change quality. So what you are saying is: 1) Draw is able to convert a file to Artworks type... How does it do that? Can't say I've seen any menu or save options to do that. Or 2) I should spend quite a lot of lolly I don't have at the moment, to get a copy of Artworks? Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 10 20:01:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aqdze-0004ar-Jv-0004be."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:01:13 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aqdze-0004ar-Jv; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:56:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aqdze-0004ar-Jv; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:56:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aqdzd-0002nY-VU; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:56:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AqdzN-0001pL-JN; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:56:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1AJu2o27772 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:56:02 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1AJu0a27729 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:56:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AqdzD-0008t7-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:56:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:54:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Graphic problem References: <4c7daea73bdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c7eafb633dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c7eafb633dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >So what you are saying is: >1) Draw is able to convert a file to Artworks type... How does it do that? >Can't say I've seen any menu or save options to do that. Sorry I thought you might have it. Oh another idea, use the OP proxy feature, create a bitmap for display purposes, and save the Draw file for high res printing. >2) I should spend quite a lot of lolly I don't have at the moment, to get >a copy of Artworks? Martin... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 10 21:41:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AqfaA-0000vk-Dm-0000wP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:41:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AqfaA-0000vk-Dm; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:38:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AqfaA-0000vk-Dm; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:38:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AqfaA-0005FG-1N; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:38:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AqfYp-0006xq-5N; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1ALabK13870 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:37 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1ALabm13866 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.209] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AqfYa-00054L-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:36:36 +0100 Received: from [213.6.49.142] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AqfYa-00055f-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:36:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:33:24 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Graphic problem Message-ID: <5df0bb7e4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4c7daea73bdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c7eafb633dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >So what you are saying is: > >1) Draw is able to convert a file to Artworks type... How does it do that? > >Can't say I've seen any menu or save options to do that. > > Sorry I thought you might have it. Oh another idea, use the OP proxy > feature, create a bitmap for display purposes, and save the Draw file > for high res printing. > > >2) I should spend quite a lot of lolly I don't have at the moment, to get > >a copy of Artworks? > > Martin... Well, I agree it would be rather pointless to buy ArtWorks just to convert some graphics from Draw to ArtWorks format. And there is no way to do it outside ArtWorks. Passing back the ball to you, David (;-)): Would it not be rather simple to implement a view quality system for Draw files - just like Publisher does it? For Draw, a two level system would be enough for a start: Normal and outline. In outline mode, simply render each path as a thin black line (i.e., call Draw_Stroke with a thickness of 0) instead of filling and/or stroking it. Likewise, render sprites and JPEGs as wireframe parallelograms by just plotting the outline. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 10 22:11:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aqg5n-0002q8-3d-0002qv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:11:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aqg5n-0002q8-3d; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:10:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aqg5n-0002q8-3d; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:10:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aqg5m-0000Wk-V4; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:10:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Aqg5X-0002Pc-QO; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:10:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1AMATK25184 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:10:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1AMAS325168 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:10:28 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aqg5C-0009or-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:10:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:09:08 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Graphic problem References: <4c7daea73bdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c7eafb633dfs@ukgateway.net> <5df0bb7e4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <5df0bb7e4c.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Martin... >Well, I agree it would be rather pointless to buy ArtWorks just to convert Roughly translated, buy, buy, buy! >Passing back the ball to you, David (;-)): Would it not be rather simple >to implement a view quality system for Draw files - just like Publisher Yes it would, I almost did that once. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 17 16:56:14 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1As3WH-0003w4-FK-0003zJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:56:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1As3WH-0003w4-FK; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:23:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1As3WH-0003w4-FK; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:23:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1As3WH-0002kl-GK; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:23:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1As3Va-0008WC-JG; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:23:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1EHMbP04021 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:22:37 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1EHMZv04004 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:22:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.116.62.17] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1As3Uu-0008AI-SU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:22:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:45:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Keep together, relative font size Message-ID: <4c7f4654eesteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <30ba077d4c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_48_96,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 07 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > This feature was in the original spec. you can find > the buttons hidden in the templates, and it is supported in the file > format etc. Sort of. Last time I tried any kind of manipulation of this by generating the input files from external applications (I've been known to tart around with Organizer for one) the resulting documents tended to be a bit fragile and OP usually went 'arris over 'eadrail rather than output what I had been working toward. I can't recall it actually producing the correct display though. > But it is not implemented. Booo. It's one of the features of Impression Publisher I really miss - I had this Squirrel database that output to a file which if direct dropped onto Impression would produce a two column booklet printed beer/pub guide for the whole of Warwickshire. The only problem was I couldn't get IP to print anything extensive without throwing up a strange error (which they'd managed to leave out of the messages file so it was a touch cryptic) Now if OP could do the job there would be quite a few happy people - for starters I think I know how to put together a neat and tidy production of paper organiser address pages direct from Organizer. -- No Rugby Airport, and good riddance to what never was... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 17 16:56:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AsMLS-0005QN-6R-0005Rf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:56:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AsMLS-0005QN-6R; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:30:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AsMLS-0005QN-6R; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:30:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AsMLS-0003TM-Qf; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:30:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AsMKG-0001QK-T2; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:28:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1FDSPw06629 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:28:25 GMT Received: from lon-mail-6.gradwell.net (lon-mail-6.gradwell.net [193.111.201.132]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i1FDSOA06624 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:28:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 13260 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 13:28:23 -0000 Received: from magpieway.net (HELO tony-lx.magpieway.net) (tony@pop3.vanderhoff.org@62.3.222.108) by lon-mail-6.gradwell.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 13:28:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:28:23 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/1.25e (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, If I create a tar/gz archive on my linux box, either via "tar -cz", or "tar -c" followed by "gzip", I get an archive which SparkFS won't open, reporting "Unidentified Header Type found". The Linux utilities uncompress it quite happily, as does WinZip. Has anyone any experience of this/suggestions to make, please? -- Tony van der Hoff Buckinghamshire England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 17 16:58:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AsSU7-0000RA-RL-0000Ra."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:58:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AsSU7-0000RA-RL; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:03:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AsSU7-0000RA-RL; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:03:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AsSU7-0006MQ-9G; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:03:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AsSTK-0004bH-Is; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:02:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1FK1ss16024 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:01:54 GMT Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1FK1q716011 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:01:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-11-160.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.18.160] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1AsSSb-000FQ9-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:01:52 +0000 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B8D2BEE6 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:37:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 15 Feb 2004 18:36:55 +0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:36:53 GMT From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 Message-ID: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.37) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.67 alpha 3 X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 15 Feb, in message Tony van der Hoff wrote: >Hi, > >If I create a tar/gz archive on my linux box, either via "tar -cz", or "tar >-c" followed by "gzip", I get an archive which SparkFS won't open, reporting >"Unidentified Header Type found". The Linux utilities uncompress it quite >happily, as does WinZip. > >Has anyone any experience of this/suggestions to make, please? Firstly you might want to upgrade to 1.39 Secondly you need to set the filetype of the file to a non-archive filetype (i.e. DOS or something) and then drag the file to SparkFS and then I think it will unarchive it. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com | http://director.sourceforge.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 17 16:58:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Asie7-0006Dh-DP-0006ER."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:58:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Asie7-0006Dh-DP; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:18:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Asie7-0006Dh-DP; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:18:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Asie7-0005fi-09; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:18:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Asie1-0004VN-DN; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:18:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1GDIA406055 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:18:10 GMT Received: from lon-mail-5.gradwell.net (lon-mail-5.gradwell.net [193.111.201.131]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i1GDI9I06047 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:18:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 28700 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 13:18:08 -0000 Received: from magpieway.net (HELO tony-lx.magpieway.net) (tony@pop3.vanderhoff.org@62.3.222.108) by lon-mail-5.gradwell.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 13:18:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:18:08 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/1.25e (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Philip Ludlam wrote in message <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> > On 15 Feb, in message > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > If I create a tar/gz archive on my linux box, either via "tar -cz", or > > "tar -c" followed by "gzip", I get an archive which SparkFS won't open, > > reporting "Unidentified Header Type found". The Linux utilities > > uncompress it quite happily, as does WinZip. > > > > Has anyone any experience of this/suggestions to make, please? > > Firstly you might want to upgrade to 1.39 > > Secondly you need to set the filetype of the file to a non-archive > filetype (i.e. DOS or something) and then drag the file to SparkFS and > then I think it will unarchive it. > Thanks, Phil; done both; it is the change of file type that does the trick. For David, this leaves the question "Why?" outstanding. I'm assuming it's LanMan98 that assigns it the "archive" file type; presumably by dint of the extension. Surely SparkFS should be able to handle this type? A further drawback comes to light: SparkFS creates a directory file/tar in the work directory; shouldn't this be in scrap? Finally, attempting to open the .tar.gz archive in SparkFS, and failing with the error message, requires that SparkFS is closed down and restarted, before the file type can be changed. It evidently does not close the file after the error. Perhaps I'm asking the wrong question: How should I, under Linux, prepare an archive that SparkFS can handle, without any messing about for the user? -- Tony van der Hoff Buckinghamshire England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 17 16:58:54 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1At10w-0001eH-Bv-0001fM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:58:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1At10w-0001eH-Bv; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:55:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1At10w-0001eH-Bv; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:55:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1At10w-0001IJ-G4; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:55:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1At10Y-0004oI-6F; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:55:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1H8sUh07637 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:54:30 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1H8sTU07631 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:54:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1At0zt-0007WA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:54:29 +0100 Received: from [172.178.63.244] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1At0zs-00082i-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:54:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:53:37 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 Message-ID: References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Philip Ludlam wrote in message > <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> > > > On 15 Feb, in message > > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > > > If I create a tar/gz archive on my linux box, either via "tar -cz", > > > or "tar -c" followed by "gzip", I get an archive which SparkFS won't > > > open, reporting "Unidentified Header Type found". The Linux > > > utilities uncompress it quite happily, as does WinZip. > > > > > > Has anyone any experience of this/suggestions to make, please? > > > > Firstly you might want to upgrade to 1.39 > > > > Secondly you need to set the filetype of the file to a non-archive > > filetype (i.e. DOS or something) and then drag the file to SparkFS and > > then I think it will unarchive it. > > > Thanks, Phil; done both; it is the change of file type that does the > trick. > > For David, this leaves the question "Why?" outstanding. I'm assuming > it's LanMan98 that assigns it the "archive" file type; presumably by > dint of the extension. Surely SparkFS should be able to handle this > type? Well, if you think about it, the filetype is wrong. A .gz file is NOT an archive. An archive is a container format that can act like a directory, i.e., in which you can store a file hierarchy. A .gz file is a compressed version of some other file, so something completely different. It is no more an archive than a Squash file is an archive. As it seems, the default mappings in LanMan98 assign the archive filetype to it, which is incorrect - you can change this is !LanMan98.Mappings. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 17 17:06:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1At8as-00063c-QN-00064O."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:06:13 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1At8as-00063c-QN; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:01:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1At8as-00063c-QN; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:01:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1At8ar-0000Je-Vu; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:01:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1At8ae-0003zO-E2; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:00:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1HH0Nv20908 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:00:23 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1HH0GH20812 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:00:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1At8Zz-0002Bx-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:00:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:58:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >If I create a tar/gz archive on my linux box, either via "tar -cz", or "tar >-c" followed by "gzip", I get an archive which SparkFS won't open, reporting >"Unidentified Header Type found". The Linux utilities uncompress it quite >happily, as does WinZip. If you type it as zip then SparkFS won't open it... is that the explanation. A Gzip is not a zip. Typed as data (or the correct Gzip type) SparkFS will uncompress it - as opposed to open it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 17 18:06:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1At9bn-0004fQ-DS-0004g1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:06:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1At9bn-0004fQ-DS; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:06:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1At9bn-0004fQ-DS; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:06:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1At9bm-0000Dn-Uq; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:06:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1At9bW-0002KY-0m; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:05:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1HI5jV19799 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:05:45 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1HI5iX19784 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:05:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1At9bL-0005ea-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:05:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:04:17 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >For David, this leaves the question "Why?" outstanding. I'm assuming it's >LanMan98 that assigns it the "archive" file type; presumably by dint of the >extension. Surely SparkFS should be able to handle this type? Well maybe. If a file is not an archive type, SparkFS goes through a system of detecting and setting types - it will get from uucode to tar file for example. However I took the decision that if a file had an archive type then it was known to be of that type. I guess that would have been OK if someone hadn't entered Gzips as type archive in Mime Map. >A further drawback comes to light: SparkFS creates a directory file/tar in >the work directory; shouldn't this be in scrap? No, it is expanding the file, that's for all time, not just while you have it open. >Finally, attempting to open the .tar.gz archive in SparkFS, and failing with >the error message, requires that SparkFS is closed down and restarted, >before the file type can be changed. It evidently does not close the file >after the error. Now that does surprise me. There may be an issue with image files. When you give something archive type, if SparkFS is running, and has image mode active, then RISC OS is being told there's something special about the file - even if SparkFS never sees it. Is SparkFS treating these files as image files? >Perhaps I'm asking the wrong question: How should I, under Linux, prepare an >archive that SparkFS can handle, without any messing about for the user? use info-zip and produce a .zip file? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 18 15:11:33 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtTFn-000274-Qf-00027y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:11:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtTFn-000274-Qf; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:04:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtTFn-000274-Qf; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:04:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtTFn-00046L-20; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:04:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtTFf-00055y-R7; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:04:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1IF41p09609 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:04:01 GMT Received: from lon-mail-5.gradwell.net (lon-mail-5.gradwell.net [193.111.201.131]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i1IF3uI09555 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:03:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 80774 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2004 15:03:49 -0000 Received: from magpieway.net (HELO tony-lx.magpieway.net) (tony@pop3.vanderhoff.org@62.3.222.108) by lon-mail-5.gradwell.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2004 15:03:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:03:49 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/1.25e (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote in message > > For David, this leaves the question "Why?" outstanding. I'm assuming > > it's LanMan98 that assigns it the "archive" file type; presumably by > > dint of the extension. Surely SparkFS should be able to handle this > > type? > > Well maybe. If a file is not an archive type, SparkFS goes through a > system of detecting and setting types - it will get from uucode to tar > file for example. However I took the decision that if a file had an > archive type then it was known to be of that type. I guess that would have > been OK if someone hadn't entered Gzips as type archive in Mime Map. > OK, thanks David, and to Martin. I stand corrected on file types :-) However, changing the type from "archive" to "zip" (which I presume *is* the right type?) adds to the complication; SparkFS doesn't recognise the type (it doesn't feature in the Alias$@RunType list); it will, expand it when dragged to the icon bar. [snip] > > > Finally, attempting to open the .tar.gz archive in SparkFS, and failing > > with the error message, requires that SparkFS is closed down and > > restarted, before the file type can be changed. It evidently does not > > close the file after the error. > > Now that does surprise me. There may be an issue with image files. When > you give something archive type, if SparkFS is running, and has image mode > active, then RISC OS is being told there's something special about the > file - even if SparkFS never sees it. Is SparkFS treating these files as > image files? > I'm not sure that I understand the question. However, further fiddling reveals that it's probably LanMan98 related, so your guess looks good. If I copy the file from the SAMBA share to a local disk, the problem of it not being closed does not occur. > > Perhaps I'm asking the wrong question: How should I, under Linux, > > prepare an archive that SparkFS can handle, without any messing about > > for the user? > > use info-zip and produce a .zip file? > Yes, I thought of that just after I posted :). Using the GCCSDK port of InfoZip is even better: file types are maintained. Thanks again for your help. -- Tony van der Hoff Buckinghamshire England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 18 15:41:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtThp-0004GR-7d-0004IA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:41:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtThp-0004GR-7d; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:33:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtThp-0004GR-7d; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:33:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtThp-0004P1-5s; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:33:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtThW-0006BK-4v; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:33:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1IFXHb29851 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:33:17 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1IFXEI29827 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:33:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.209] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AtThK-0005Fc-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:33:14 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.121] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AtThJ-0000cq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:33:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:32:31 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 Message-ID: References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Tony van der Hoff wrote: > David Pilling wrote in message > > > > > For David, this leaves the question "Why?" outstanding. I'm assuming > > > it's LanMan98 that assigns it the "archive" file type; presumably by > > > dint of the extension. Surely SparkFS should be able to handle this > > > type? > > > > Well maybe. If a file is not an archive type, SparkFS goes through a > > system of detecting and setting types - it will get from uucode to tar > > file for example. However I took the decision that if a file had an > > archive type then it was known to be of that type. I guess that would have > > been OK if someone hadn't entered Gzips as type archive in Mime Map. > > > OK, thanks David, and to Martin. I stand corrected on file types :-) > > However, changing the type from "archive" to "zip" (which I presume *is* the > right type?) No. If at all, you would have to give it GZip type. Zip and GZip have nothing in common, despite the similar name. There is probably an allocated type for GZip, but I would not bother, Data will do. > adds to the complication; SparkFS doesn't recognise the type > (it doesn't feature in the Alias$@RunType list); it will, expand it when > dragged to the icon bar. In no way will SparkFS want to recognise the type if you double click on such a file since it cannot OPEN GZip (or Unix-compressed .Z) files - it can only expand such a file to reveal its embedded uncompressed file, which then can possibly be opened (e.g., a tar file). This expansion has to be a user-initiated operation within the user's chosen application, it should not be done automatically when you double-click on a file. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 18 15:51:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtTpe-0002gb-71-0002hQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:51:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtTpe-0002gb-71; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:41:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtTpe-0002gb-71; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:41:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtTpd-00024x-Vw; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:41:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtTpa-0007cA-5A; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:41:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1IFfcl01736 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:41:38 GMT Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1IFfcl01724 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:41:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.253.40.215]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040218154135.QKXN18691.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:41:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:42:21 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Justification funny Message-ID: <877cba824c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Can anyone explain the following funny: I produce a small monthly magazine and whilst on screen the text is correctly fully justified when I print it on either my HP970 Inkjet or my HP 1200 Laser the text is printed left justified. Using OPro 2.73 on an Iyonix - !Printers 1.67 via USB JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 18 18:21:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtWGY-0000gM-L2-0000h2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:21:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtWGY-0000gM-L2; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:17:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtWGY-0000gM-L2; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:17:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtWGY-0005FC-9y; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:17:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtWGS-0005eZ-KY; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:17:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1IIHQX25943 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:17:26 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1IIHQ825939 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:17:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AtWGD-000Mqz-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:17:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:16:06 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >However, changing the type from "archive" to "zip" (which I presume *is* the >right type?) Martin has cleared this up, but just for the record, traditionally SparkFS used type DDC for Zip files, the same as for some other archive types, however Justin Fletcher has recently invented a new type just for Zips - you'll have to adapt your copy of SparkFS if you want to use that type. GZips, are not Zips and shouldn't have either of the Zip file types. However there are at least two valid types for GZips. My program 'Shrink Wrap' which was written originally for Acorn, gives transparent access to GZips and is available for free from my web site, anyway it has the most official GZip type. But since you don't always want ShrinkWrap to own a file it's useful there is another GZip type. >>Is SparkFS treating these files as >> image files? >I'm not sure that I understand the question. Archives can be treated as 'image files' an image file acts just like a folder. The quick way to tell is if the paths of objects inside the archive (filer window title) contain lots of ###'s - if they do then the archive is not open in image mode. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 18 18:21:44 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtWJh-0006zP-DE-000740."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:21:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtWJh-0006zP-DE; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:21:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtWJh-0006zP-DE; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:21:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtWJg-00049Y-TL; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:21:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtWJd-0003td-3U; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:20:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1IIKmI27854 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:20:48 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1IIKm527849 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:20:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AtWJU-000NBZ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:20:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:19:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Justification funny References: <877cba824c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <877cba824c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I produce a small monthly magazine and whilst on screen the text is >correctly fully justified when I print it on either my HP970 Inkjet or >my HP 1200 Laser the text is printed left justified. There was a bug in the RISC OS printer drivers where the combination of justification and tracking (possibly auto kern too) led to this effect. You'd find that results with CC Turbo drivers were also OK. I suspect this bug fix did not trickle through to ROS 5. If this is the problem then the results are not left justified, they're simply not correctly justified. Anyway that's one guess. You can investigate what combination of effects is in force. Problem should also show up on Sprinter if you want to save paper. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 18 19:31:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtXJG-0007Et-4K-0007FR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:31:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtXJG-0007Et-4K; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:24:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtXJG-0007Et-4K; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:24:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtXJF-0004eQ-RF; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:24:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtXJB-0003aT-4m; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:24:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1IJOHO18483 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:24:17 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1IJOG818479 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:24:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AtXIt-000AZx-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:24:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:22:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] TableMate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i1IJOG818481 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello, David,   I realise that this is not your area but I would like to know if there have been any updates to TableMate Designer since version 4.05a.  I have tried unsuccessfully to get hold of George Buchanan (Dalriada).  Judging from his website he doesn't appear to be involved with RiscOS any more anyway.  Do you know if anyone took over the software from him? Alternatively do you know if the source code is available or could you suggest anyone else to contact?  There is an irritating bug which I suspect is caused by incorrect allocation/management of the flex store.  I'll be happy to send you details if you wish.  It would be nice also to create a 32-bit version.   I use TableMate a great deal with Ovation Pro.  Do you know if it will work with Ovation Pro on the Iyonix?  If TableMate is no longer supported, can you recommend an alternative package for creating tables that links to Ovation Pro in the same way?   Incidentally, if George Buchanan is no longer working with RiscOS, it would be a good idea to remove his phone number from the RiscOS software websites - I think a lady named Fiona might be getting a bit cheesed off with people calling her!  Do you have any influence on or contact with people who own the RiscOS websites?   Many thanks John Grogan -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 18 23:41:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtbJs-0000RC-G0-0000Tl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:41:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtbJs-0000RC-G0; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:41:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtbJs-0000RC-G0; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:41:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtbJs-0004iD-PB; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:41:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtbJm-0002Zd-Ul; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:41:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1INfE630292 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:41:14 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1INfE430286 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:41:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AtbJZ-00010i-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:41:13 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.252] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AtbJY-0004Y0-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:41:12 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:40:35 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Justification funny Message-ID: <3845e6824c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <877cba824c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >I produce a small monthly magazine and whilst on screen the text is > >correctly fully justified when I print it on either my HP970 Inkjet or > >my HP 1200 Laser the text is printed left justified. > > There was a bug in the RISC OS printer drivers where the combination of > justification and tracking (possibly auto kern too) led to this effect. > You'd find that results with CC Turbo drivers were also OK. I remember there being a bug in CC's Turbo drivers that prevented fully justified output from ArtWorks text areas. Presumably, this is a different bug. In that case, switching off "Text halftoning" in the Turbo drivers' options helped because this meant that the Turbo drivers delegated text output to the FontManager instead of using the Turbo drivers' own (horrible) font rendering routines. Just as an aside... Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 19 00:52:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtcIX-0000P1-7m-0000Q5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:52:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtcIX-0000P1-7m; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:44:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtcIX-0000P1-7m; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:44:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtcIX-0000lg-7f; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:44:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtcIJ-0007G3-LZ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:43:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1J0hnK17003 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:43:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1J0hna16997 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:43:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AtcI7-0007xB-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:43:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:41:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] TableMate Message-ID: <4c82ebdd71john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i1J0hna17000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 18 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > I realise that this is not your area but I would like to know if there > have been any updates to TableMate Designer since version 4.05a. I have > tried unsuccessfully to get hold of George Buchanan (Dalriada). Judging > from his website he doesn't appear to be involved with RiscOS any more > anyway. Do you know if anyone took over the software from him? > Alternatively do you know if the source code is available or could you > suggest anyone else to contact? There is an irritating bug which I > suspect is caused by incorrect allocation/management of the flex store. > I'll be happy to send you details if you wish. It would be nice also to > create a 32-bit version. > > I use TableMate a great deal with Ovation Pro. Do you know if it will > work with Ovation Pro on the Iyonix? If TableMate is no longer > supported, can you recommend an alternative package for creating > tables that links to Ovation Pro in the same way? > > Incidentally, if George Buchanan is no longer working with RiscOS, it > would be a good idea to remove his phone number from the RiscOS software > websites - I think a lady named Fiona might be getting a bit cheesed off > with people calling her! Do you have any influence on or contact with > people who own the RiscOS websites? Last I heard George was in NZ and may be working on TableMate to iron out problems whilst (incomplete) sets of software are in the loft of the house of Fiona. If there was some way of getting hold of those incomplete sets, getting George to release the latest version he has, and complete the sets for new sales and to update current users then I would do it. If anyone can locate George for long enough for this to be agreed... ;-) -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 19 02:02:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtdPT-00047v-Cd-00048s."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:02:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtdPT-00047v-Cd; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:55:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtdPT-00047v-Cd; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:55:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtdPT-0001OG-LR; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:55:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtdPG-00046q-LF; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:55:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1J1t6N04686 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:55:06 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1J1t5S04678 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:55:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AtdP6-000Coz-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:55:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:53:55 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Justification funny References: <877cba824c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <3845e6824c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <3845e6824c.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I remember there being a bug in CC's Turbo drivers that prevented fully >justified output from ArtWorks text areas. Presumably, this is a different The problem I am talking about was discussed for a long time here (look in the archives). Robin Watts fixed it eventually. And we thought that was the end of it. It's a good example, I could have programmed around the bug, it would have taken a day or two, but I've probably spent more time writing about it, and certainly it has upset a lot of people. On the other hand going around these things makes one produce bad code - if you saw the code you'd say "why do you do it in such a crummy way", and the answer is I'm dodging bugs that have been in RISC OS since 1989. This makes me think, the problem involves enhanced justification - if it was the vanilla version more things would fail. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 19 13:20:13 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtjI1-0000br-Jr-0000cQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:20:13 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtjI1-0000br-Jr; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:12:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtjI1-0000br-Jr; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:12:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtjI0-00075r-VX; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:12:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtjHv-00078Y-DJ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:12:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1J8BFq28856 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:11:15 GMT Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1J8BED28852 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:11:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost.com ([213.48.225.34]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:11:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:25:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TableMate Message-ID: <4c8310d784Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2004 08:11:14.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[F15BAF50:01C3F6BF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id i1J8BFD28853 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > I use TableMate a great deal with Ovation Pro. Do you know if it will > work with Ovation Pro on the Iyonix? Yes, if you also have Aemulor. HTH, Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 19 13:20:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtkdJ-0003fY-Bh-0003gA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:20:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtkdJ-0003fY-Bh; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:38:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtkdJ-0003fY-Bh; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:38:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtkdJ-0003sS-ED; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:38:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtkdD-0002gE-Df; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:38:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1J9ble25338 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:37:47 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1J9bkH25318 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:37:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.253.40.252]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040219093719.SAJW17812.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:37:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:36:16 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Justification funny Message-ID: <4bce1c834c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <877cba824c.jaycee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <3845e6824c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >I remember there being a bug in CC's Turbo drivers that prevented fully > >justified output from ArtWorks text areas. Presumably, this is a different > > The problem I am talking about was discussed for a long time here (look > in the archives). Robin Watts fixed it eventually. And we thought that > was the end of it. > > It's a good example, I could have programmed around the bug, it would > have taken a day or two, but I've probably spent more time writing about > it, and certainly it has upset a lot of people. On the other hand going > around these things makes one produce bad code - if you saw the code > you'd say "why do you do it in such a crummy way", and the answer is I'm > dodging bugs that have been in RISC OS since 1989. > > This makes me think, the problem involves enhanced justification - if it > was the vanilla version more things would fail. > Yes it does seem to be a problem with justification and tracking as if I turn tracking off then it prints correctly fully justified. Thanks for the help in 'tracking' down the problem. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 19 13:20:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtmpC-000300-He-00030r."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:20:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtmpC-000300-He; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:58:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtmpC-000300-He; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:58:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtmpC-0000mb-2l; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:58:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Atmov-0007Xd-JD; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:58:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1JBw3j02892 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:58:03 GMT Received: from lon-mail-2.gradwell.net (lon-mail-2.gradwell.net [193.111.201.126]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i1JBw2U02876 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:58:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 19850 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 11:58:02 -0000 Received: from magpieway.net (HELO tony-lx.magpieway.net) (tony@pop3.vanderhoff.org@62.3.222.108) by lon-mail-2.gradwell.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 11:58:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:58:01 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/1.25e (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote in message [snip] > > >>Is SparkFS treating these files as > >> image files? > >I'm not sure that I understand the question. > > Archives can be treated as 'image files' an image file acts just like a > folder. The quick way to tell is if the paths of objects inside the > archive (filer window title) contain lots of ###'s - if they do then the > archive is not open in image mode. > > OK, I think we're a bit at cross purposes here. I'm unable to open the "archive". so I can't see any ##, nor anything else. My original problem is solved, with help from you, Phil, and Martin, for which I'm grateful. However, should you want to pursue what looks like a misfeature, I'll summarise. I generate a tar.gz on my Linux box, on a Samba share, which is exported to the Risc PC, and the NT box. Under WinNT the file is associated with WinZip, and double-clicking on it causes WinZip to extract it to temp, and display the contents of the tar. Perhaps I'd expect SparkFS to behave similarly. Perhaps I'm wrong. No matter. Under LANMan98 it looks like an archive (wrongly, as it turns out, but never mind, we know why). If I double click on this "archive", SparkFS reports "Unidentified header type" and abandons the attempt. At this stage, I cannot do anything with the file; NT reports "File in use", and RISC OS reports "Sharing Mode Conflict" if I try to change its type. The only solution to this situation is to exit SparkFS (app and FS), and to restart it. In particular, SparkFS:close does not help. However, if I copy the "archive" to a local directory, and try to open it there, SparkFS still reports "Unidentified header", but now I am able to change the type to "data", without going through the rigmarole of closing SparkFS. If the file type is set to "data", then SparkFS unpacks the tar to the directory containing the gz, wherever it's located. You consider this to be the correct behaviour; fair enough. I understand what's going wrong, and why. I was under various mistaken impressions about tar, gz, zips and archives, and I'm grateful to everyone for correcting me. I shall probably never again want to unpack a tar.gz on the RISC OS box; I have better tools for this. If I do, then I'll know the solution :) Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff Buckinghamshire England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 19 13:30:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtoCc-0004lf-Ro-0004mQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:30:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtoCc-0004lf-Ro; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:26:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtoCc-0004lf-Ro; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:26:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtoCc-0007Sq-E4; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:26:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtoBr-0007rB-P0; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:26:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1JDPaG23174 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:25:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1JDPYL23160 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:25:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AtoBK-0006rO-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:25:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:24:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >OK, I think we're a bit at cross purposes here. I'm unable to open the >"archive". so I can't see any ##, nor anything else. My original problem is OK, but when you open other archives... >causes WinZip to extract it to temp, and display the contents of the tar. >Perhaps I'd expect SparkFS to behave similarly. Perhaps I'm wrong. No Yes, it would be very reasonable behaviour for a program like Spark, which is what WinZip is akin to. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 19 13:40:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AtoNB-0001cH-BZ-0001cm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:40:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AtoNB-0001cH-BZ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:37:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtoNB-0001cH-BZ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:37:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AtoNB-0006aO-9k; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:37:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AtoN4-0004We-Le; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:37:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1JDbJf29836 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:37:19 GMT Received: from lon-mail-3.gradwell.net (lon-mail-3.gradwell.net [193.111.201.127]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i1JDbJ329831 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:37:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 79768 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 13:37:18 -0000 Received: from magpieway.net (HELO tony-lx.magpieway.net) (tony@pop3.vanderhoff.org@62.3.222.108) by lon-mail-3.gradwell.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 13:37:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:37:18 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/1.25e (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote in message [snip] > > OK, but when you open other archives... > No, no "###" to be seen... -- Tony van der Hoff Buckinghamshire England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 19 19:40:29 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Atu01-0002VS-9d-0002Vu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:40:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Atu01-0002VS-9d; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:38:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Atu01-0002VS-9d; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:38:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Atu01-0001GH-NZ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:38:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Attzw-00055A-Nz; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:38:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1JJbR225144 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:37:27 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1JJbQw25140 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:37:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AttzC-0006Yf-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:37:26 +0100 Received: from [81.96.147.40] (helo=192.168.1.1) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AttzB-00045L-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:37:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:38:32 GMT From: Sendu Bala To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 Message-ID: <38f253834c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fcc8d459823b113e6be83de3123de3db Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 19 Feb, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > David Pilling wrote in message > > > [snip] > > > > >>Is SparkFS treating these files as > > >> image files? [snip] > Under LANMan98 it looks like an archive (wrongly, as it turns out, but never > mind, we know why). If I double click on this "archive", SparkFS reports > "Unidentified header type" and abandons the attempt. > > At this stage, I cannot do anything with the file; NT reports "File in use", > and RISC OS reports "Sharing Mode Conflict" if I try to change its type. What I do when I get hit by the "Unidentified header type" problem is simply drag the file to the SparkFS icon on the iconbar. I never even considered changing its type. Can you not do the same, or does the file conflict stop you even reading the file? -- Sendu Bala http://www.sendu.co.uk/ | Tori, Kenshin, DNA and my Iyonix "I tell you with no ego that this is my finest blade. If you should encounter God, God will be cut." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 19 19:50:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Atu8V-0006NI-9g-0006Ns."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:50:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Atu8V-0006NI-9g; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:47:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Atu8V-0006NI-9g; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:47:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Atu8U-0005yf-OM; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:47:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Atu8O-0007WP-OD; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:46:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1JJkS628716 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:46:28 GMT Received: from lon-mail-6.gradwell.net (lon-mail-6.gradwell.net [193.111.201.132]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id i1JJkS328710 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:46:28 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 49131 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 19:46:27 -0000 Received: from magpieway.net (HELO tony-lx.magpieway.net) (tony@pop3.vanderhoff.org@62.3.222.108) by lon-mail-6.gradwell.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 19:46:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:46:27 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38f253834c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> <38f253834c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/1.25e (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Sendu Bala wrote in message <38f253834c.Sendu@sendu.co.uk> > On 19 Feb, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > David Pilling wrote in message > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > >>Is SparkFS treating these files as > > > >> image files? > > [snip] > > > Under LANMan98 it looks like an archive (wrongly, as it turns out, but never > > mind, we know why). If I double click on this "archive", SparkFS reports > > "Unidentified header type" and abandons the attempt. > > > > At this stage, I cannot do anything with the file; NT reports "File in use", > > and RISC OS reports "Sharing Mode Conflict" if I try to change its type. > > What I do when I get hit by the "Unidentified header type" problem is > simply drag the file to the SparkFS icon on the iconbar. I never even > considered changing its type. Can you not do the same, or does the file > conflict stop you even reading the file? > No, that doesn't work (in this case). It still reports the same problem. -- Tony van der Hoff Buckinghamshire England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:02:58 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Auy28-0004hC-BZ-0004hd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:02:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Auy28-0004hC-BZ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:08:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Auy28-0004hC-BZ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:08:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Auy28-0005GJ-CT; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:08:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Auy23-0003ml-UX; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:08:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1MI7jV28443 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:07:45 GMT Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1MI7iK28437 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:07:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-11-130.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.18.130] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Auy11-000CH5-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:07:43 +0000 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3042BEE2 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:03:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 22 Feb 2004 16:02:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:02:33 GMT From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.36 Message-ID: References: <1df53e814c.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.37) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.67 alpha 3++ X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 18 Feb, in message Tony van der Hoff wrote: >David Pilling wrote in message > [snip] >> > Finally, attempting to open the .tar.gz archive in SparkFS, and failing >> > with the error message, requires that SparkFS is closed down and >> > restarted, before the file type can be changed. It evidently does not >> > close the file after the error. >> >> Now that does surprise me. There may be an issue with image files. When >> you give something archive type, if SparkFS is running, and has image mode >> active, then RISC OS is being told there's something special about the >> file - even if SparkFS never sees it. Is SparkFS treating these files as >> image files? >> >I'm not sure that I understand the question. However, further fiddling >reveals that it's probably LanMan98 related, so your guess looks good. If I >copy the file from the SAMBA share to a local disk, the problem of it not >being closed does not occur. I regularly run into problems accessing archives (Zips) through SparkFS and LanMan98. So much so that I copy the archive to the local machine before I open it. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com | http://director.sourceforge.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Av10n-0001Qp-FJ-0001RW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Av10n-0001Qp-FJ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:19:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Av10n-0001Qp-FJ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:19:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Av10n-0003mS-Hm; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:19:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Av10S-0000SO-HO; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:19:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1MLIMq25181 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:18:22 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1MLILT25178 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:18:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-207-16.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.207.16]:1054 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Av0xf-0000yb-4Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:16:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:18:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) For goodness sake, can't something be expletivingwell done about the none functioning of the global clipboard in OvPro. I've just needed to copy and paste chucks of stuff, out of lot of text files and put them into an OvPro file for collecting together. I gave up, removed OvPro and went back to Impression Publisher. Eventually I shall have to dump the Impression file on OvPro and get the info in that way. Gordon expeltivingwell Bennett. Very, Very GD -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:04 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Av1Rn-0003eI-8E-0003fD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Av1Rn-0003eI-8E; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:47:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Av1Rn-0003eI-8E; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:47:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Av1Rn-0002Nr-Ai; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:47:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Av1Rh-0003AJ-Ow; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:47:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1MLl1d07316 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:47:01 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1MLl0v07303 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:47:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=RiscPC) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Av1RD-000Kn1-8o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:46:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:47:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c84eb4534charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > For goodness sake, can't something be expletivingwell done about the none > functioning of the global clipboard in OvPro. > I've just needed to copy and paste chucks of stuff, out of lot of text > files and put them into an OvPro file for collecting together. Why don't you "Save marked text" and drop the save box onto OvPro? > I gave up, removed OvPro and went back to Impression Publisher. > Eventually I shall have to dump the Impression file on OvPro and get the > info in that way. OvPro has an Impression import facility. > Very, Very GD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:05 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Av1i0-0005Fg-OT-0005GX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:05 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Av1i0-0005Fg-OT; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:04:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Av1i0-0005Fg-OT; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:04:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Av1i0-00041t-De; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:04:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Av1hX-0004oN-6U; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:03:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1MM34212798 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:03:04 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1MM33X12787 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:03:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Av1gk-000H0Y-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:03:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:54:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c84ebdb47john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 22 Feb, Dave Symes wrote: > For goodness sake, can't something be expletivingwell done about the none > functioning of the global clipboard in OvPro. > I've just needed to copy and paste chucks of stuff, out of lot of text > files and put them into an OvPro file for collecting together. > I gave up, removed OvPro and went back to Impression Publisher. Shift-Ctrl-C in StrongEd Ctrl-V in OP - OK Ctrl-X in Pluto Ctrl-V in OP - OK Ctrl-C in Pluto Ctrl-V in OP - OK &c What were you trying to do? -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:07 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Av8ES-0005z8-8k-0005zX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Av8ES-0005z8-8k; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:02:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Av8ES-0005z8-8k; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:02:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Av8ES-0000Wa-Gr; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:02:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Av8EF-0004K1-Ib; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:02:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1N516j10842 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:01:06 GMT Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1N514u10826 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:01:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.229.49.93] (helo=barryrpc) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Av8DH-000LM4-Ib for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:01:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 04:43:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c85115047barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c84ebdb47john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c84ebdb47john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c84ebdb47john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > On 22 Feb, Dave Symes wrote: > > For goodness sake, can't something be expletivingwell done about > > the none functioning of the global clipboard in OvPro. > > I've just needed to copy and paste chucks of stuff, out of lot of > > text files and put them into an OvPro file for collecting together. > > I gave up, removed OvPro and went back to Impression Publisher. > Shift-Ctrl-C in StrongEd Ctrl-V in OP - OK > Ctrl-X in Pluto Ctrl-V in OP - OK > Ctrl-C in Pluto Ctrl-V in OP - OK Global Clipboard also needs to be ticked in OP General Choices. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Av9K2-0002LG-Lm-0002Lg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Av9K2-0002LG-Lm; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:12:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Av9K2-0002LG-Lm; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:12:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Av9K2-0005UQ-JB; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:12:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Av9JK-00014z-3t; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:11:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1N6AWv22055 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:10:32 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1N6AUF22047 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:10:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-171-87.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.171.87]:1029 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Av9Gd-0000MJ-L8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:08:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:11:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c85195ededfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c84eb4534charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c84eb4534charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c84eb4534charles.hope@argonet.co.uk>, charles.hope wrote: > In article <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > wrote: > > For goodness sake, can't something be expletivingwell done about the > > none functioning of the global clipboard in OvPro. > > I've just needed to copy and paste chucks of stuff, out of lot of text > > files and put them into an OvPro file for collecting together. > Why don't you "Save marked text" and drop the save box onto OvPro? > > I gave up, removed OvPro and went back to Impression Publisher. > > Eventually I shall have to dump the Impression file on OvPro and get > > the info in that way. > OvPro has an Impression import facility. > > Very, Very GD Thank you for your thoughts Charles... We are talking about the Global Clipboard here, not the OvPro internal one that functions okay, if the Global clip is turned off. Yes, Save marked text will work, but that's not what I need. There was/is a lot of work to be done... I need Ctrl-C put the caret in the Ov doc at the appropriate place and Ctrl-V then move on to the next bit PDQ. The RO Select folks say it's not their fault if they change the way the Global clipboard works, and thereafter a particular application won't work with it... apparently it's up the the app writer to make it work with the OS., not the other way around. I know OvPro has an Impression Import facility, otherwise I wouldn't have said... "Eventually I shall have to dump the Impression file on OvPro and get the info in that way." GD -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvAPs-0007Ku-SQ-0007LM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvAPs-0007Ku-SQ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:22:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvAPs-0007Ku-SQ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:22:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvAPs-0007d3-KT; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:22:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvAPm-0007TK-9L; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:22:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1N7LcZ03455 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:21:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1N7LbF03447 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:21:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from aether.demon.co.uk ([158.152.186.18]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AvAPI-000PsE-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:21:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.48.2] (helo=aether.demon.co.uk) by aether.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvAP9-00030d-HC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:21:27 +0000 Received: from matthew by aether.demon.co.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 23 Feb 2004 07:23:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:22:36 GMT From: Matthew Hambley To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <8de91f854c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.37) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > For goodness sake, can't something be expletivingwell done about the none > functioning of the global clipboard in OvPro. > > I've just needed to copy and paste chucks of stuff, out of lot of text > files and put them into an OvPro file for collecting together. Setting convenience aside for a moment can't you save the selection from your text editor to Ovation? That's what those of us who tend to forget that the global clipboard exists do. -- (\/)atthew )-(ambley ---------------\ If something's worth doing it's worth E-mail : matthew@aether.demon.co.uk \ doing badly until you can learn to Public key : C991137B \ do it well. Web : http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/ \----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:11 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvAca-0005Ks-JJ-0005Lb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvAca-0005Ks-JJ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:35:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvAca-0005Ks-JJ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:35:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvAca-0004i3-NQ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:35:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvAcV-0000O1-05; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:35:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1N7Ymj05981 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:34:48 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1N7Ymu05978 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:34:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-142-246.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.142.246]:1024 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AvAc2-000CCU-WC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:34:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:20:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c851a340fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c84ebdb47john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c84ebdb47john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c84ebdb47john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > On 22 Feb, Dave Symes wrote: > > For goodness sake, can't something be expletivingwell done about the > > none functioning of the global clipboard in OvPro. > > I've just needed to copy and paste chucks of stuff, out of lot of text > > files and put them into an OvPro file for collecting together. > > I gave up, removed OvPro and went back to Impression Publisher. > Shift-Ctrl-C in StrongEd > Ctrl-V in OP - OK > Ctrl-X in Pluto > Ctrl-V in OP - OK > Ctrl-C in Pluto > Ctrl-V in OP - OK > &c > What were you trying to do? John, First you need to have the Global clipboard ON in OvPro Choices. But to see the problem... You need to be running under one of the later versions of RO Select. The Ov global clip still works but all returns, formatting etc, are lost and you get a blob of text pasted. Sometime, within the last couple of Select versions they effed about with the global clip, introducing all sorts of problems, like pasting double, and of course the OvPro problem... Nobody on either side seems to want to fix the problems, though I believe there is a patch to sort the double pasting problem. GD -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:12 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvArF-000102-LE-00010J."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvArF-000102-LE; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:50:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvArF-000102-LE; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:50:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvArF-0004I0-Di; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:50:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvAqZ-0002iq-45; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:49:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1N7n2R08468 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:49:02 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1N7n2108463 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:49:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from dial-62-64-142-246.access.uk.tiscali.com ([62.64.142.246]:1031 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AvApo-000EXY-Mh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:49:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:46:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c85221ff3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <8de91f854c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <8de91f854c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <8de91f854c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk>, Matthew Hambley wrote: > In message <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: > > For goodness sake, can't something be expletivingwell done about the > > none functioning of the global clipboard in OvPro. > > > > I've just needed to copy and paste chucks of stuff, out of lot of text > > files and put them into an OvPro file for collecting together. > Setting convenience aside for a moment can't you save the selection from > your text editor to Ovation? That's what those of us who tend to forget > that the global clipboard exists do. Thanks for your thoughts Matthew. Yes, indeed if it was a one off, ar maybe a couple, but this involves a large number of text bits being manouvered. I've always been an advocate of the Global clipboard idea, so there's not much chance of me forgetting... The bottom line is... The bug/fault/problem exists, between OvPro and the GC, and has for some while now, so something needs to be done about it. Just switching of a provided facility in an app because it doesn't work correctly, is not the answer. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:16 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvDIv-0002tt-Li-0002v0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvDIv-0002tt-Li; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:27:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvDIv-0002tt-Li; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:27:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvDIv-0006vE-HU; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:27:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvDIq-0001P5-Vf; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:27:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1NAQYr10478 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:26:34 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1NAQXa10475 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:26:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AvDIG-0001Ul-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:26:32 +0100 Received: from [172.182.105.11] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AvDIG-0000SO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:26:32 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:13:29 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c84eb4534charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <4c85195ededfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c85195ededfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c85195ededfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > The RO Select folks say it's not their fault if they change the way the > Global clipboard works, and thereafter a particular application won't > work with it... apparently it's up the the app writer to make it work > with the OS., not the other way around. Complete and utter nonsense. The game works like this: * There is an official published OS interface * The OS implements this interface * Applications use this interface * Future OS versions continue complying with this interface At some stage, it might be necessary for the OS to revise an interface. This may require applications being updated. However, this involves: * Publishing a new, revised specification of the OS interface PRIOR to changing it. This document also explains why the change had to be made and how applications are to be changed to support the change. Well, nowadays, we might even be content with receiving said documentation at the time the change is made, or, maybe even later, but none of this has happened, nor has there been any explanation as to why certain changes had to be made that broke existing applications. This is not the first time the Select developers have chosen to ignore the rules of the game causing a lot of annoyance amongst developers. The more the Select developers continually ignore common practice the more I and other developers will grow weary of supporting their branch of the OS. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:17 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvDea-0004Fn-7X-0004Gs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvDea-0004Fn-7X; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:49:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvDea-0004Fn-7X; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:49:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvDea-0003KC-2k; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:49:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvDeT-0005C6-0Z; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:49:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1NAnMF21421 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:49:22 GMT Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1NAnK721408 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:49:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (189.24.234.fdial.global.net.uk [80.189.24.234]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i1NAY2E07109 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:34:03 GMT Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:59:55 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4C84EC65E7%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c84eb4534charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c84eb4534charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c84eb4534charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> charles.hope wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > For goodness sake, can't something be expletivingwell done about the none > > functioning of the global clipboard in OvPro. But it's not essential in RISC OS. There are other simple ways of achieving the same result. I suspect you've been using Windoze too much lately & forgotten how easy it is on RISC OS to drag & drop data between apps. > > I've just needed to copy and paste chucks of stuff, out of lot of text > > files and put them into an OvPro file for collecting together. > Why don't you "Save marked text" and drop the save box onto OvPro? What's wrong with using a simple "highlight, shift-drag"? [snip] -- We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvEU6-0000qm-KP; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:42:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvEU6-0000qm-KP; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:42:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvEU6-0002ak-4t; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:42:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvETz-0004Op-Pf; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:42:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1NBgGV22481 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:42:16 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1NBgEk22458 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:42:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AvETQ-0002Ik-0A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:42:08 +0000 Received: from host81-136-12-23.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.136.12.23]) (WebMail authenticated user be82) by email.argonet.co.uk with HTTP; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:42:08 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <32712.81.136.12.23.1077536528.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:42:08 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives From: "Alan Philip Dawes" To: In-Reply-To: <4c851a340fdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4c851a340fdfs@ukgateway.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: WebMail (version 3.31 ß) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,MISSING_MIMEOLE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> On 22 Feb, Dave Symes wrote: > But to see the problem... > You need to be running under one of the later versions of RO Select. > Bearing in mind Martin's comments in this thread, perhaps you should think about 'upgrading' to an earlier version of ROS either permanently, as I have done, or by using the 'dual boot' facility to go back to 4.02 as provided for in select when you need to use the global clipboard. Alan -- alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvIog-000158-Ao-00019h."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvIog-000158-Ao; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:20:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvIog-000158-Ao; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:20:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvIog-00045q-5K; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:20:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvIob-0004tY-SY; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:20:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1NGJC212344 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:19:12 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1NGJAl12330 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:19:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AvInV-0000Zo-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:19:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:05:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c854fccc9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c85221ff3dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <8de91f854c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <4c85221ff3dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c85221ff3dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > Thanks for your thoughts Matthew. Yes, indeed if it was a one off, or > maybe a couple, but this involves a large number of text bits being > manouvered. It's not possible to copy/move all of the source document into the new OP document, and then just use OP's facilities within a single document to move all the bits around as you require? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvOEf-00056h-Lw-000572."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvOEf-00056h-Lw; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:07:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvOEf-00056h-Lw; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:07:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvOEf-00073S-KO; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:07:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvODN-0001Qp-29; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:06:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1NM3Ms00300 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:03:22 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1NM3Kk32757 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:03:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.25.224] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ABF3214F0078; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:44:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:48:18 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <703259854c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <8de91f854c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <4c85221ff3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c854fccc9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c854fccc9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Here's another solution. Buy a copy of Datapower. Make a very simple database, with just two fields in a record: one little one at the top, just to hold a number or title so that you can sort them and find them easily, and one larger text field that is a convenient size to hold a screenful of text. Keep all your 'raw' texts in this. From there you can drag and drop the bits into Ovation very easily. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvOZR-0002hB-Bw-0002hW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvOZR-0002hB-Bw; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvOZR-0002hB-Bw; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvOZR-0004Pf-Hc; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvOYi-0005I5-EE; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:28:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1NMQ5J08989 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:05 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1NMQ5j08986 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ppp-225-13-125.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.13.125]:1149 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AvOWc-000Ll0-Ej for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:18:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c8571e465dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c854fccc9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <8de91f854c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <4c85221ff3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c854fccc9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c854fccc9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4c85221ff3dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > Thanks for your thoughts Matthew. Yes, indeed if it was a one off, or > > maybe a couple, but this involves a large number of text bits being > > manouvered. > It's not possible to copy/move all of the source document into the new > OP document, and then just use OP's facilities within a single document > to move all the bits around as you require? Really, like dump 1283 items from one particular Pluto box into OvPro then try to find the bits I want, no chance, far to messy, doncha think I've already tried that one. Cheers GD -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvOZg-0000pU-9U-0000pw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvOZg-0000pU-9U; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvOZg-0000pU-9U; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvOZg-000055-PA; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvOYj-0005IN-7u; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:28:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1NMQ9G09007 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:09 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1NMQ8e09004 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ppp-225-13-125.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.13.125]:1149 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AvOWf-000Ll0-LB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:21:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c85722c70dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c854fccc9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <8de91f854c.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> <4c85221ff3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c854fccc9Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) While I thank those of you who have made useful and even useless suggestion... ;-) Aside from my particular problem, I think many of you are still missing the point. There is a problem with OVPro and the global clipboard that needs fixing PDQ. GD -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvOZj-0000rG-8D-0000sF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvOZj-0000rG-8D; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvOZj-0000rG-8D; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvOZj-0001LZ-Cy; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvOYw-0002O1-77; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:28:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1NMQ1j08962 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:01 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1NMPxv08938 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ppp-225-13-125.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.13.125]:1149 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AvOWW-000Ll0-Qy for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:04:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c8570b1f6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4C84EC65E7%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c84eb4534charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <4C84EC65E7%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4C84EC65E7%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > > Dave Symes wrote: > > > For goodness sake, can't something be expletivingwell done about the > > > none functioning of the global clipboard in OvPro. > But it's not essential in RISC OS. There are other simple ways of > achieving the same result. I suspect you've been using Windoze too much > lately & forgotten how easy it is on RISC OS to drag & drop data between > apps. > > > I've just needed to copy and paste chucks of stuff, out of lot of > > > text files and put them into an OvPro file for collecting together. > > Why don't you "Save marked text" and drop the save box onto OvPro? > What's wrong with using a simple "highlight, shift-drag"? > [snip] You are still not getting it. Yes I could do a Shift Drag and drop if the text was in Zap for example, but it's not. The stuff is in various Pluto boxes so you can't do a Shift-Drag from an opened Pluto doc to an OvPro window. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvOZo-0005Jj-MO-0005K5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvOZo-0005Jj-MO; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvOZo-0005Jj-MO; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvOZo-0001Nz-PR; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:29:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvOYz-0002Po-T4; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:28:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1NMQ3t08974 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:03 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1NMQ2K08971 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ppp-225-13-125.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.225.13.125]:1149 helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AvOWZ-000Ll0-IH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:10:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c85713061dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <32712.81.136.12.23.1077536528.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> References: <4c851a340fdfs@ukgateway.net> <32712.81.136.12.23.1077536528.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <32712.81.136.12.23.1077536528.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk>, Alan Philip Dawes wrote: > >> On 22 Feb, Dave Symes wrote: > > But to see the problem... > > You need to be running under one of the later versions of RO Select. > > > Bearing in mind Martin's comments in this thread, perhaps you should > think about 'upgrading' to an earlier version of ROS either permanently, > as I have done, or by using the 'dual boot' facility to go back to 4.02 > as provided for in select when you need to use the global clipboard. > Alan As there are no smilies, I assume you were serious... Were I to reply with what I really want to say about this reply, I would probably be ejected from the list. Suffice to say instead... Revert back to 2.04 just to use the global clipboard, my arse I would. GD -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvQ71-0000rj-C1-0000sb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvQ71-0000rj-C1; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:07:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (helo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvQ71-0000rj-C1; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:07:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvQ71-0001mc-IC; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:07:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvQ69-00042f-7t; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:06:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1O04h610026 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:04:43 GMT Received: from he200war.uk.vianw.net (he200war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.244.148]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1O04gM10015 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:04:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [195.102.195.197] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he200war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 1AvQ3y-0000d6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:04:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:16:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4c8577371fchris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4c8570b1f6dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c84eb4534charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <4C84EC65E7%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8570b1f6dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.37) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c8570b1f6dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > The stuff is in various Pluto boxes so you can't do a Shift-Drag > from an opened Pluto doc to an OvPro window. But you can do a "Message->save with selection ticked with some text selected. Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 24 17:03:43 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AvZNp-000762-QW-00076n."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:03:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AvZNp-000762-QW; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:01:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (helo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvZNp-000762-QW; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:01:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AvZNp-0006oa-0J; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:01:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AvZNO-0006XS-Qg; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:01:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i1OA0SQ23844 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:00:28 GMT Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1OA0A623619 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:00:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RTV (189.27.21.fdial.global.net.uk [80.189.27.21]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i1O9inE15115 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:44:49 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:56:14 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Clipboard expletives Message-ID: <4C857AE1CB%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4c84e8a4d4dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c84eb4534charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <4C84EC65E7%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4c8570b1f6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c8570b1f6dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c8570b1f6dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > Mik Towse wrote: > > > Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > > > > I've just needed to copy and paste chucks of stuff, out of lot of > > > > text files and put them into an OvPro file for collecting together. > > > Why don't you "Save marked text" and drop the save box onto OvPro? > > What's wrong with using a simple "highlight, shift-drag"? > > [snip] > You are still not getting it. But I did post this before you 'amplified'. :o) > Yes I could do a Shift Drag and drop if the text was in Zap for example, > but it's not. > > The stuff is in various Pluto boxes so you can't do a Shift-Drag from an > opened Pluto doc to an OvPro window. Hm... Odd. You can drag & drop from a /MPro/ wdw by highlighting the text & holding down