From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 7 16:26:53 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AeARy-0000Dt-KR-0000GR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:26:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AeARy-0000Dt-KR; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:58:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AeARy-0000Dt-KR; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:58:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AeARq-0006nO-4Z; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:57:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i079vQl03977 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:57:26 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i079vPC03971 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:57:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=50925 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AeARJ-0003sO-BS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:57:25 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55491 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AeARH-0006Ws-KY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:57:23 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c3d504$ea1499f0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c652a103edfs@ukgateway.net> <10909201.20040103060214@riotclone.org> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Win OvPro Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:59:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Saturday, January 03, 2004 7:02 AM, Dave wrote: ... > Would it be possible to modify the Fluff applet, so that one could > write multiple Fluff scripts and its menu entry led to a sub-menu > showing all the "Fluff" files that were in the appropriate directory? > I'm sure I'm not the only person who has a few different combinations > of things to regularly do with certain batches of files, but really > can't be bothered to delve into the directory structure and rename > files to make Fluff do what is needed today, then go back and rename > once finished. > There are more scripts, that can be runned. Like Fontmap scripts. There are more 'defaults' for different occasions. Not only Labels. I have made subdirectories in Stationary, in which I have stored my favourites. File-->Stationary also offers 'View'. Also for each subfolder. View gives a normal filer window with all the facilities offered by windows. 'Open with' inclusive to be able to edit a script easily with e.g. Notepad or Wordpad. What is in Stationary is preserved during updating. I am happy with this structure. BTW: I don't have the troublesome things with 'Find' or 'not correctly positioned cursor between 2 characters', that you mention. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 7 18:06:24 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AeHvf-0005mE-9U-0005oC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:06:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AeHvf-0005mE-9U; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:57:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AeHvf-0005mE-9U; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:57:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AeHv9-0004Ll-KW; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:56:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i07Hu7W04644 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:56:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i07Hu6u04639 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:56:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AeHuX-0007OL-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:56:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:54:45 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Win OvPro References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c652a103edfs@ukgateway.net> <10909201.20040103060214@riotclone.org> <000d01c3d504$ea1499f0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000d01c3d504$ea1499f0$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have made subdirectories in Stationary, in which I have stored my >favourites. Neat idea... In other words, with for example the fluff applet, all you need is a way of running scripts. The stationery applet is one way - it just runs the 'document' name you click on. Another way (more RISC OS style) is to store the scripts in a folder and double click them in a filer (explorer) window as needed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 8 15:39:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AecEu-0000Vr-IO-0000Yy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:39:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AecEu-0000Vr-IO; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:38:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AecEu-0000Vr-IO; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:38:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AecEf-00061a-9h; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:38:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i08FbIg32263 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:37:18 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i08FbIM32259 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:37:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from steve.net.co.uk ([80.0.148.22]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040108153718.BUGQ1005.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@steve.net.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:37:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:37:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax- ISDN modem driver To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue 06 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > modem emulation. You'd get the same result by keeping your old analogue > modem connected to the phone line - assuming you have a spare serial > port or serial switch. ... except that I returned my (University of Brighton) 22.8 Hayes modem and used a spare Sporster Voice 33.6 Faxmodem and now it won't work. It dials and connects OK but tranmission nearly always fails. I have been meaning to enquire about this. Any thoughts? (Arcfax 1.16). Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing, Mathematical and Information Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 8 17:09:30 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AedXn-0005Wc-AA-0006R0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:09:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AedXn-0005Wc-AA; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:02:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AedXn-0005Wc-AA; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:02:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AedXc-0006f8-D5; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:01:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i08H1HJ08327 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:01:17 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i08H1Go08306 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:01:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AedX1-000NiR-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:01:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:59:57 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax- ISDN modem driver References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >... except that I returned my (University of Brighton) 22.8 Hayes modem and >used a spare Sporster Voice 33.6 Faxmodem and now it won't work. It dials and >connects OK but tranmission nearly always fails. I have been meaning to >enquire about this. Any thoughts? (Arcfax 1.16). More data needed... With most Sportsters you have a choice of Class 2.0 (NOT 2) or Class 1. There are a 101 possible causes of things not working - from the silly, Class 2.0 won't work with 2D fax encoding enabled, to the problematic like the phone line quality. Producing a debug recording of a failed attempt is the usual start point for serious diagnosis. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 9 17:48:18 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Af0dt-0004vZ-F3-0004zI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:48:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Af0dt-0004vZ-F3; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:41:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Af0dt-0004vZ-F3; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:41:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Af0dl-0001O6-U5; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:41:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i09Hf2l03437 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:41:02 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i09Hexf03409 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:40:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Af0d0-000Mi3-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:40:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:39:26 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro - Windows Version (2.72 14-November 2003) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > From: Paul Witheridge Use of Alt-Tab to switch between Ovation Pro Windows ---------------------------------------------------- Consider the following scenario. Open two separate .dpd documents. Click on the text in the first document so that the cursor appears. Then use Alt-Tab to switch to the second document and click on the text in that document so that cursor appears. Finally use Alt-Tab to switch back to the first document. Result, frame in the first document is no longer selected and the cursor has disappeared. To continue work on the first document it is necessary to click on the text again. It would be very convenient if Ovation Pro could always restore the cursor when switching in this way. Marking to End of Text ---------------------- Consider a set of lines of text at the end of a document. The last line has no new line character at the end. Position the cursor at the beginning of the first line, hold down the shift key and use the down arrow key to mark the lines. The last line is not yet marked. Keep the shift key pressed and press the end key. This marks to the end of the last line, but at the same time unmarks all the previously marked lines above. This is NOT the expected windows behaviour. If you use the right arrow key (instead of the end key) to mark to the end of the last line, the previous lines stay marked as expected. And, of course, the Ctrl-Shift-End combination marks to the end of the document as expected. Window Size on Open ------------------- Maybe there's an answer to this already. I use a fairly high resolution 1600 by 1200. Every time I open a .dpd document I have to resize the damned window. I know that customising the default window size was requested by a note in Feb 2003. I'd just like to add my vote for this improvement. Thanks and looking forward to the first commercial Windows version of Ovation Pro. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 9 18:08:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Af0vd-0000ch-8m-0000fE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:08:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Af0vd-0000ch-8m; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:00:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Af0vd-0000ch-8m; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:00:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Af0vO-0004Gp-W9; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:59:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i09HxWK11739 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:59:32 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i09HxVn11726 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:59:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.24.32] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A9B45D0214; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:49:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:00:31 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Genuine Pilling Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I do wish subscribers would learn not to post their contributions as if they were from David, because when it is he, I pay extra attention (e.g. to a thread I'm not otherwise following) and it's an irritation to find it's someone else. Not to embarrass him, but because he may not be aware, may I mention Paul W. as the most recent of many examples? M.J.T. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 9 18:08:20 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Af12M-0000T4-7h-0000WV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:08:20 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Af12M-0000T4-7h; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:07:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Af12M-0000T4-7h; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:07:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Af12I-00077J-HZ; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:07:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i09I6cu14259 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:06:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i09I6bo14255 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:06:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Af11p-0008RV-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:06:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:05:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro - Windows Version (2.72 14-November 2003) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It would be very convenient if Ovation Pro could always restore the >cursor when switching in this way. Problematic. OP internally has one selected frame, one cursor position (in all documents). What you're asking for is one position per document. Off hand I can't see there is a fundamental problem - for example presumably a paste instruction always specifies a document. Maybe another difference in Windows and RISC OS. Anyway substantial amount of work needed to change it. >Marking to End of Text Yes, wrong. I will fix it. It's a subtlety of the way Windows apps work which (no surprise) I didn't know. >Window Size on Open As you say, Dave Symes pointed this problem out a long time ago. I intend to resolve it, but I have more important things to do first. All this is good stuff for me. The problem, and I saw the same thing happen with programmers new to RISC OS, is that what I as a Windows novice consider good enough, an experienced Windows user may find a load of rubbish. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 9 19:58:25 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Af2ls-0004o8-55-0004rT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:58:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Af2ls-0004o8-55; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:58:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Af2ls-0004o8-55; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:58:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Af2lW-0005Ee-2e; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:57:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i09JvLn20699 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:57:21 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i09JvKJ20691 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:57:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Af2kx-0006nZ-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:57:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:56:19 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Genuine Pilling References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >I do wish subscribers would learn not to post their >contributions as if they were from David, because In a sense my fault. If someone posts from an address that is not subbed to the list, the posting bounces to me, and I re-post. There is a way to ensure that the posting looks like it comes from the original sender, however I have not worked out how to do that from my PC. Attempts that fail end up posting the password for the list to everyone, so not much fun playing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 9 20:28:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Af35o-0007lC-CD-0000uc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:28:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Af35o-0007lC-CD; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:19:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Af35o-0007lC-CD; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:18:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Af35k-0005vd-OH; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:18:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i09KIOD27923 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:18:24 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i09KINE27906 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:18:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from Iyonix ([80.6.247.123]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040109201807.WIMM9852.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@Iyonix> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:18:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:21:21 GMT From: Alan Leighton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Genuine Pilling Message-ID: <8c973a6e4c.alan@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > Hi, > > >I do wish subscribers would learn not to post their > >contributions as if they were from David, because > > In a sense my fault. If someone posts from an address that is not subbed > to the list, the posting bounces to me, and I re-post. There is a way to > ensure that the posting looks like it comes from the original sender, > however I have not worked out how to do that from my PC. Attempts that > fail end up posting the password for the list to everyone, so not much > fun playing. > > The great thing for most of us silent members that we feel David that you are there for us. You always respond to our needs and we buy your products as we feel part of them. I will buy the OPro PC version as I am committed not only to RISCOS but its software writers. It is a weird way, to many of us, a family thing so keep being open and vunerable!! Blessings Alan -- Dr Alan GC Leighton (Rev) S.A.C.R.E. Resources & Teesside.E.A. Priory Lodge, 86b Church Lane, Eston,TS6 9QR 01642 504798. email: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Jan 9 20:58:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Af3bF-0003oD-Rv-0003rR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:58:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Af3bF-0003oD-Rv; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:51:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Af3bF-0003oD-Rv; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:51:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Af3b9-0001GW-Lu; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:51:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i09Konu06798 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:50:49 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i09KonF06788 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:50:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040109205035.GSYB17535.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:50:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:45:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro - Windows Version (2.72 14-November 2003) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Fri 09 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >It would be very convenient if Ovation Pro could always restore the > >cursor when switching in this way. > > Problematic. OP internally has one selected frame, one cursor position > (in all documents). What you're asking for is one position per document. > Off hand I can't see there is a fundamental problem - for example > presumably a paste instruction always specifies a document. > > Maybe another difference in Windows and RISC OS. Anyway substantial > amount of work needed to change it. Partly a difference between RISC OS and Windows. In RISC OS it makes sense to leave the selection where it is because any window in the stack can be active and take input. In Windows only the front window of the stack can be active so Windows apps make a window active (with whatever form of cursor is appropriate) as soon as it is brought to the top of the stack. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 13 16:47:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ag1G2-00032p-8L-00037P."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:47:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ag1G2-00032p-8L; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:33:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ag1G2-00032p-8L; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:33:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ag1F9-0004TV-0r; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:32:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0CCVRV12337 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:31:27 GMT Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0CCVQ512325 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:31:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i0CCVMY15865 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:31:22 GMT In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro - Windows Version (2.72 14-November 2003) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:14:26 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Anthony Hilton wrote on 09/01/2004 20:45:14: > In on Fri 09 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >It would be very convenient if Ovation Pro could always restore the > > >cursor when switching in this way. > > > > Problematic. OP internally has one selected frame, one cursor position > > (in all documents). What you're asking for is one position per document. > > Off hand I can't see there is a fundamental problem - for example > > presumably a paste instruction always specifies a document. > > > > Maybe another difference in Windows and RISC OS. Anyway substantial > > amount of work needed to change it. > > Partly a difference between RISC OS and Windows. In RISC OS it makes sense to > leave the selection where it is because any window in the stack can be active > and take input. In Windows only the front window of the stack can be active > so Windows apps make a window active (with whatever form of cursor is > appropriate) as soon as it is brought to the top of the stack. > Please do not assume this to be the way all windows GUIs work. There is an option buried in Windows to allow 'focus-follows-mouse' This means the active window is not always the one on top. Whilst I accept some people do not like this mode, I cannot live without it. So can you make sure OvPro for windows behaves when this mode is turned on. Some applications have a habit of jumping to the front as soon as you move the mouse into their window. This is less than optimal behaviour. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 15:23:22 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgmjS-0001FW-Qw-0001JG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:23:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgmjS-0001FW-Qw; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:15:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgmjS-0001FW-Qw; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:14:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgmjI-0000np-0q; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:14:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EFE1t23717 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:14:01 GMT Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EFE0J23697 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:14:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from rpc2.ethernet by smtp.hccnet.nl via fia102-21-100.dsl.hccnet.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id i0EFDrr6018719 (8.12.10/2.03); Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:13:59 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:10:07 +0100 (GMT) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Genuine Pilling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select 3i3 [4.37] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: StrongARM 110 on my first RiscPC (RPC1) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Michael, On Fri 09 Jan, michael talibard wrote: > I do wish subscribers would learn not to post their > contributions as if they were from David, Seconded! I've never understood what happen with those mails... [snip] > may I mention Paul W. as the most recent of many examples? but are you implying those posters do so themselfs - perhaps without knowing it? Well, at least that's my hope! I had always assumed is was caused at the mailserver side somehow? Indeed it would be nice to have the proper real sender at 'From: '. :-) greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place Ahhhhhhhh, I forget what I was going to say. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 16:03:26 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgnPX-00067s-Au-0006EU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:03:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgnPX-00067s-Au; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:58:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgnPX-00067s-Au; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:58:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgnPR-0004H8-8P; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:58:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EFwBT11506 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:58:11 GMT Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EFwAq11500 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:58:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i0EFw6E30829 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:58:06 GMT In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Genuine Pilling MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:59:22 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Johan Heuseveldt wrote on 14/01/2004 14:10:07: > Hi Michael, > > On Fri 09 Jan, michael talibard wrote: > > > I do wish subscribers would learn not to post their > > contributions as if they were from David, > > Seconded! > > I've never understood what happen with those mails... > I thought David had explained it, but to try and put it in simple terms:- If you send a message to the list using an email address that is not the one you used when you subscribed, then the list software spots this and thinks you are not subscribed to the list. Instead of sending your message to everyone, what it does is sends it to the list maintainer. In this case David. This is primarily to stop unauthorised spammers sending rubbish to everyone on this list. For which I am sure we are all grateful. It is then up to David to vet these messages and if he is happy they are not spam he then forwards them to the list. The problem is that because David is doing the forwarding, the message appears to come from him. David did say there is a way to make the message appear to come from it's "real" originator, but he hasn't worked out how and probably doesn't have the time to spend doing so. So for the time being I guess this is something we have to put up with. I suppose the other option is for David to return the message to the sender and insist they post from the registered email address, but that may be considered a bit heavy handed Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 17:13:28 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgoOk-0007gF-Db-0002oe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:13:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgoOk-0007gF-Db; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:03:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgoOk-0007gF-Db; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:01:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgoOd-0001xp-Ka; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:01:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EH1RO08573 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:01:27 GMT Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EH1QJ08552 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:01:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from rpc2.ethernet by smtp.hccnet.nl via fia102-21-100.dsl.hccnet.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id i0EH1Or2008022 (8.12.10/2.03); Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:01:25 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:01:06 +0100 (GMT) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Genuine Pilling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select 3i3 [4.37] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: StrongARM 110 on my first RiscPC (RPC1) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Andy, On Wed 14 Jan, Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: > Johan Heuseveldt wrote on 14/01/2004 14:10:07: > > On Fri 09 Jan, michael talibard wrote: > > > > > I do wish subscribers would learn not to post their > > > contributions as if they were from David, > > > > Seconded! > > > > I've never understood what happen with those mails... > > > > I thought David had explained it, but to try and put it in > simple terms:- Yes, he did, but my messge was gone already in copper wires. Please accept my apologies everyone, I was in too much of a hurry. I realy should make sure every message is read before responding to any of them. > This is primarily to stop unauthorised spammers sending > rubbish to everyone on this list. For which I am sure > we are all grateful. Yes, you're quite correct. The 'softwarelist' is in that respect very clean! [snip] > So for the time being I guess this is something we have to > put up with. I suppose the other option is for David to > return the message to the sender and insist they post from > the registered email address, but that may be considered > a bit heavy handed Perhaps indeed. OTOH, it /is/ normal practice to use this for exact that reason. Why is there a registration method for a good reason, and not used by people! :-) I would prefer David working on software, instead of sorting out some problems manually, which are initiated by its subscribers. But, now it could be me a bit heavy handed! Thanks Andy for your nice answer. Keeping my head below table for a while, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place If somthing is confidential, it will be left in the copier machine. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 17:43:32 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Agoy6-0006ky-PW-0006mm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:43:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Agoy6-0006ky-PW; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:38:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Agoy6-0006ky-PW; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:38:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Agoy2-0005YO-II; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:38:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EHc5P23594 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:38:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EHc5S23586 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:38:05 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Agoxw-0001iJ-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:38:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:36:48 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Everyone agrees the PostScript generated by the Acorn printer drivers is bad. One reason for that is the way masked bitmaps (sprites with areas of transparency) are chopped up into lots of tiny images. Lots of people have asked for OP to generate its own PS. At the moment I'm working on that very feature on the Windows version. There's not much choice because the Windows PS drivers don't even attempt things like masked images. I would like to hear what features you'd like to see in PS output or what else is bad about the Acorn PS. The things I have done or intend doing, include masked images using the PS level 3 features, and direct output of CMYK colours to the printer. New PS level 3 features make masked images very easy and efficient, shame no one has added them to the Acorn drivers. Do I hear the cry, "what about level 1 output on Windows 3.1...", that's a bit more complicated. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 17:53:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgpCe-000174-6r-0001Fv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:53:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgpCe-000174-6r; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:53:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgpCe-000174-6r; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:53:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgpCO-0001R3-RL; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:53:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EHqut28981 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:52:56 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EHqu728977 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:52:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AgpCJ-0007Mb-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:52:55 +0000 Message-ID: <8gznWEEhGYBAFw2c@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:51:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Genuine Pilling References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >If you send a message to the list using an email address >that is not the one you used when you subscribed, then Good explanation. To put it yet another way, your freedom to post from any address you want has been curtailed by the spammers. Perhaps the best solution would be to have post only addresses on the list - i.e. addresses you could post from but which didn't receive postings. As it happens the list gets very little spam, but going back to when there was no defence against spam and a piece of spam arrived, it caused a lot of consternation. So this defence has to stay. It's a point of view thing, I get 200 pieces of spam a day. So spam is a big consideration to me. I've got it under control using SAProxy but I'm looking forward to demon enabling brightmail. That inspires another idea, I suppose the list could run behind a spam filter. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 18:23:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgpWW-0007k5-Fa-0007lx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:23:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgpWW-0007k5-Fa; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:13:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgpWW-0007k5-Fa; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:13:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgpWQ-0005fF-0c; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:13:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EIDXA03922 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:13:33 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EIDWQ03917 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:13:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id i0EIDV0g001718 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:13:32 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:13:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Genuine Pilling Message-ID: <4c70c2096fbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , wrote: [Snip] > If you send a message to the list using an email address that > is not the one you used when you subscribed, then the list > software spots this and thinks you are not subscribed to the > list. ... The problem is that because David is doing the > forwarding, the message appears to come from him. [Snip] > So for the time being I guess this is something we have to put > up with. ... I would rather such messages were bounced. In some if not all these irritating cases, I suppose, people will have changed their email address and failed to re-subscribe with their new address. This is what is required for most lists and it should be the norm here as well IMHO. As long as David adopts the 'helpful' procedure you have explained there is little incentive for subscribers to bother :-( Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 19:23:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgqW7-0004ZK-Cq-0004eM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:23:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgqW7-0004ZK-Cq; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:17:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgqW7-0004ZK-Cq; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:17:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgqVy-00085J-SB; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:17:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EJHB932745 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:17:11 GMT Received: from sodium.webfusion.co.uk (sodium.webfusion.co.uk [212.67.202.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EJHAk32730 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:17:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from apache by sodium.webfusion.co.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AgqVq-0002tk-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:17:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Received: from 82-35-18-28.cable.ubr03.hari.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.35.18.28]) by mail.dawnsun.co.uk with webmail; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:17:10 +0000 From: Peter Gaunt Message-ID: 400595b6.5d757a6f.17503bd@dawnsun.co.uk In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Pete's webmailer (0.84) Organization: Somewhat chaotic Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:17:10 +0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,INVALID_MSGID, IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:36:48 +0000, David Pilling wrote: > I would like to hear what features you'd like to see in > PS output or what else is bad about the Acorn PS. I use the Acorn PS drivers a lot with OP for generating PDFs via Riscript. I then print the PDFs from my Mac. It's the only way I can get printouts from the Acorn these days. Generally speaking it works well though I don't make a lot of use of bit maps. One of the problems with Riscript, unless they've fixed it recently, is that it can't cope with clipped vector graphics with the result that I have to be careful to mask any clipped bits off using opaque, empty frames. So, my main request would be the ability to directly generate PDFs rather than normal Postscript along with proper handling of clipped vector graphics. Another problem with the Postscript from the Acorn drivers is to do with embedded fonts. Sometimes the Mac's on-screen display fills in the enclosed bits of characters such as 'o', 'p' and 'g' though they normally print out fine. Perversely in Acrobat reader on a PC it's the other way around: the screen display is fine but the printouts fill bits in. Doesn't affect all fonts and seems to be a particular problem with serif fonts. I don't know whether the problem lies with Acorn's drivers, the fonts or (unlikely I'd guess) the Mac/PC interpretation of Postscript. The problem's existed for many years: I used to take the output from Postscript files to work and squirt them at the printer from a Mac in the late 80s and early 90s and the problem was around then. If /that/ could be fixed it'd be just great. -- Pete ==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 20:03:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Agr8e-0003nD-4F-0003pD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:03:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Agr8e-0003nD-4F; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:57:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Agr8e-0003nD-4F; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:57:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Agr8T-0005gl-82; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:57:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EJuw815630 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:56:58 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EJuwJ15623 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:56:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.72.222]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040114195644.JAPK14639.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:56:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:56:45 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.27 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1597932622--1584186860--1187531186"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1597932622--1584186860--1187531186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > masked images using the PS level 3 features I'm a little concerned about this because, IIRC, there are quite a few printers and programs out there that only use level 2. For example, my Kyocera FS800 emulates PS level 2, so presumably this feature wouldn't wo= rk on it in PS mode. BTW, OPro is still a bit flaky under wine/Linux - let's hope it continues= to improve as it has done and you get two platforms for the price of one :-= ) John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou! --1597932622--1584186860--1187531186 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBABZ8Bp6M/P/S/JWgRAgD+AJ9Dr+9bEh8I65Nw6v3Bjio49J/ruQCglvt0 4VyPJnvLNQAqFw/B2PI/tCI= =7LNR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1597932622--1584186860--1187531186-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 20:13:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgrGV-00017m-KL-0001AV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:13:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgrGV-00017m-KL; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:05:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgrGV-00017m-KL; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:05:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgrGR-0007Xq-9g; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:05:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EK5EG18789 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:05:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EK5E818778 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:05:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AgrGL-000FA7-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:05:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:04:12 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP References: <400595b6.5d757a6f.17503bd@dawnsun.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <400595b6.5d757a6f.17503bd@dawnsun.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >So, my main request would be the ability to directly generate PDFs >rather than normal Postscript along with proper handling of clipped >vector graphics. Yes, that is high on my list of desirable new features, of course for now it falls into the "don't run before you can walk" clause. I think the clipping problem is a RiscScript one, in fact on RISC OS the clipping is often done by OP's own PS code rather than by the printer driver's code. >Another problem with the Postscript from the Acorn drivers is to do >with embedded fonts. Sometimes the Mac's on-screen display fills in the >enclosed bits of characters such as 'o', 'p' and 'g' though they >normally print out fine. Sounds like a problem in the way fonts are embedded. I'll have to look out for that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 20:13:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgrK5-00002X-Bg-00005L."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:13:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgrK5-00002X-Bg; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:09:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgrK5-00002X-Bg; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:09:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgrK3-0008EK-7S; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:09:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EK90f20832 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:09:00 GMT Received: from sodium.webfusion.co.uk (sodium.webfusion.co.uk [212.67.202.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EK8xs20819 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:08:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 82-35-18-28.cable.ubr03.hari.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.35.18.28] helo=localhost) by sodium.webfusion.co.uk with asmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AgrJy-0007zh-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:08:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:08:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Peter Gaunt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7A6335F1-46CD-11D8-92C7-003065F08624@dawnsun.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 08:04 , David Pilling wrote: >> So, my main request would be the ability to directly generate PDFs rather >> than normal Postscript along with proper handling of clipped vector >> graphics. > > Yes, that is high on my list of desirable new features, of course for now > it falls into the "don't run before you can walk" clause. Most wise :-) Be good if you could do it eventually though. -- Pete ==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 20:13:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgrLg-0005xQ-PL-0005yf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:13:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgrLg-0005xQ-PL; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:10:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgrLg-0005xQ-PL; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:10:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgrLd-0008PQ-NM; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:10:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EKAcd21675 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:10:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EKAbt21672 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:10:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AgrLZ-000Iac-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:10:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:09:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> masked images using the PS level 3 features >I'm a little concerned about this because, IIRC, there are quite a few >printers and programs out there that only use level 2. For example, my Oh yes, my HP4050 which is only 3 or 4 years old is level 2 only. At the end of the day I'll have an option that lets you set what level you want. I imagine level 1 support will be necessary. But if you have level 3, you can have nice PS files. If you don't have level 3 then you have to accept some sort of bodge in level 1 or 2, it may be how Acorn have done things, it may be another way, but there will always be the chance of problems with it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 20:23:38 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgrSs-0003h8-IQ-0003ic."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:23:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgrSs-0003h8-IQ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:18:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgrSs-0003h8-IQ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:18:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgrSo-0004ET-DL; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:18:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EKI0025539 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:18:00 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EKHxg25525 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:17:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040114201800.NJVB22499.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:18:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:11:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: 400595b6.5d757a6f.17503bd@dawnsun.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Wed 14 Jan, Peter Gaunt wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:36:48 +0000, > David Pilling wrote: > > > I would like to hear what features you'd like to see in > > PS output or what else is bad about the Acorn PS. > > I use the Acorn PS drivers a lot with OP for generating PDFs via > Riscript. I then print the PDFs from my Mac. It's the only way I can get > printouts from the Acorn these days. Generally speaking it works well > though I don't make a lot of use of bit maps. > > One of the problems with Riscript, unless they've fixed it recently, is > that it can't cope with clipped vector graphics with the result that I > have to be careful to mask any clipped bits off using opaque, empty > frames. > > So, my main request would be the ability to directly generate PDFs rather > than normal Postscript along with proper handling of clipped vector > graphics. If using RISC OS 4 you have Taborce (with a 3-page limit), you can download Ghostscript (http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript/) and TaborcaGS (http://www.sparkplug.org.uk/) to remove the 3-page limit and get proper clipping in the PDF. I don't know whether this setup uses the Acorn PS driver as first stage or not. > Another problem with the Postscript from the Acorn drivers is to do with > embedded fonts. This probably depends how the fonts are embedded - Type 3 generated from the Acorn outline fonts or genuine Type 1 fonts included within the RISC OS fonts? I'd suggest you try fonts from EFF in their Publisher format (RISC OS outline fonts with Type 1 definitions included). Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 20:23:39 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgrVd-0006T2-Io-0006W6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:23:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgrVd-0006T2-Io; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:21:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgrVd-0006T2-Io; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:21:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgrVa-0004qB-AK; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:20:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EKKrL26813 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:20:53 GMT Received: from mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EKKre26786 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:20:53 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAEF4063E4 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:20:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07447-01-78 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:20:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC (unknown [81.168.125.61]) by mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8B8406558 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:20:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:19:53 GMT From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Message-ID: <22a3cd704c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I would like to hear what features you'd like to see in PS output or > what else is bad about the Acorn PS. Two aspects perceived as unsatisfactory (from a user's point of view) in conjunction with an Epson C2000 colour laser: 1. (eg the Artworks apple) areas of graded (on screen) colour are rendered in distict bands rather than graded 2. In some fonts lines of text are laterally compressed such that although individual letters are correctly sized, they overlap. -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 21:13:40 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgsBJ-0001rD-5j-0001xA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:13:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgsBJ-0001rD-5j; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:04:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgsBJ-0001rD-5j; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:04:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgsBF-0005B3-5j; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:04:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EL3ur10482 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:03:56 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EL3tQ10476 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:03:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-132.spectraweb.ch [194.230.116.132]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id i0EL3oC0018030 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:03:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:24:01 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Genuine Pilling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed 14 Jan, Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: snip some > > David did say there is a way to make the message appear to > come from it's "real" originator, but he hasn't worked out > how and probably doesn't have the time to spend doing so. What happens if you "bounce" the message (to the mailing list)? My ISP managed to trace a "Spammer" when I bounced a 'Spam' message to them, so apparently they managed to trace the sender somehow. JMvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 21:33:41 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgsVW-0004zc-NE-00050n."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:33:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgsVW-0004zc-NE; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:24:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgsVW-0004zc-NE; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:24:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgsVR-0005zi-E5; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:24:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0ELOmR16684 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:24:48 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0ELOmI16680 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:24:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AgsVK-0009EP-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:24:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:16:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Message-ID: <4c70d2d130john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 14 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > I would like to hear what features you'd like to see in PS output or > what else is bad about the Acorn PS. > The things I have done or intend doing, include masked images using the > PS level 3 features, and direct output of CMYK colours to the printer. > New PS level 3 features make masked images very easy and efficient, > shame no one has added them to the Acorn drivers. Is there an indication that this work will find its way back to RISC OS OP? [If not I shall sulk loudly!] I'd like to put in a plea for things to be explained clearly (eg if you have an option of monochrome or colour then we bears of little brain get confused when ticking the monochrome option allows colour information to pass through). -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 21:43:42 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Agsly-0006O8-II-0006QL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:43:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Agsly-0006O8-II; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:42:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Agsly-0006O8-II; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:41:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Agslu-0002h0-P7; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:41:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0ELfoL22574 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:41:50 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0ELfoH22570 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:41:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Agslm-0007ZJ-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:41:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:40:23 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP References: <4c70d2d130john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c70d2d130john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> New PS level 3 features make masked images very easy and efficient, >> shame no one has added them to the Acorn drivers. >Is there an indication that this work will find its way back to RISC OS OP? Um, well, you know how it is. Seriously, I'd say it is unlikely. Although moving the code from the Win version to the RISC OS one, would be considerably less work than writing it from scratch. >I'd like to put in a plea for things to be explained clearly (eg if you >have an option of monochrome or colour then we bears of little brain get OK, that's another idea, an option to toggle between colour and grey scale PS output (that does what it says). There probably should also be an option to control if CMYK colours end up on the printer or if a conversion to RGB is done by OP (as when using the OS printer driver). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 22:43:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Agtdy-00026m-Mj-000280."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:43:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Agtdy-00026m-Mj; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:37:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Agtdy-00026m-Mj; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:37:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Agtdr-0004oj-Gk; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:37:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EMbY309923 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:37:34 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EMbXB09916 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:37:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=39345 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agtdl-0002D8-3A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:37:33 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55780 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agtdk-00032n-32 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:37:32 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c3daef$468f4820$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: 400595b6.5d757a6f.17503bd@dawnsun.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:39:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SEE_FOR_YOURSELF,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:17 PM, Peter Gaunt wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:36:48 +0000, > David Pilling wrote: > > Another problem with the Postscript from the Acorn drivers is to do > with embedded fonts. Sometimes the Mac's on-screen display fills in > the enclosed bits of characters such as 'o', 'p' and 'g' though they > normally print out fine. Perversely in Acrobat reader on a PC it's > the other way around: the screen display is fine but the printouts > fill bits in. Doesn't affect all fonts and seems to be a particular > problem with serif fonts. I don't know whether the problem lies with > Acorn's drivers, the fonts or (unlikely I'd guess) the Mac/PC > interpretation of Postscript. The problem's existed for many years: I > used to take the output from Postscript files to work and squirt them > at the printer from a Mac in the late 80s and early 90s and the > problem was around then. If /that/ could be fixed it'd be just great. The problem with the filled characters (I only can speak about the PC environment) is due to the fonts. Old version 6 fonts have been made with incorrect path direction. This isn't due to 'wrong drawing of the glyphs with more than one path -like p,B,Q- ', but to the way the saving happened. Not all multiple-path characters are affected. This differ from font to font. Saving them in newer font editors doesn't cure the problem. Every singular incorrect glyph has to be redrawn fully. This can be done several ways, but not on user level. You can see for yourself, which fonts cause these problems *as soon as you turn on 'Substitute Type3 fonts' in RiScript*. With this option 'on', RiScript creates a Type1 description in the PDF. With the faulty paths. On the PC the faults aren't visible on screen, but they show on printing. In RISC OS the original fonts are used, when they are loaded. When you don't have these fonts loaded and use a pdf with these fonts, RiScript makes a font from the Type1 in the pdf: also *with* the filled characters. Without this option 'Substitute Type3', the display on screen on the PC is bad. As far as the Type3 in the PostScript and PDF is accepted by Acrobat. Printing of what is accepted would be fine. The above is of course only valid for 'not mapped' fonts. How can you *see*, which fonts are affected? Only old version 6 fonts - 256 characters, with Intmetrics and Outlines. In !FontEd change to Alter format to version 8 and tick flag non-zero. Next hit Redisplay. All faulty characters become filled. In !FontFiend there is also an option to do this. Sadly, you'll find that all main CC fonts (Pembroke, AvantG, BookM) and all Beebug fonts (Paladin, Vogue, Chaucer, SwissB, Bookmark, Curator, SymbolB) suffer. Also *old* EFF fonts. Same goes for Selwyn and Sidney. Even for Homerton, Trinity and Corpus in their newer versions. However these fonts are normally not used, but mapped. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 22:53:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AgtkF-0000oo-Hi-0000rT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:53:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AgtkF-0000oo-Hi; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:44:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AgtkF-0000oo-Hi; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:44:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AgtkC-0003jx-22; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:44:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0EMi8R13212 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:44:08 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0EMi7R13206 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:44:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=40028 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agtk7-0001MX-Gm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:44:07 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55791 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agtk6-0002YL-Qv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:44:06 +0100 Message-ID: <003701c3daf0$31d95a00$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:45:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:09 PM, David Pilling wrote: >>> masked images using the PS level 3 features >> I'm a little concerned about this because, IIRC, there are quite a >> few printers and programs out there that only use level 2. For >> example, my > > Oh yes, my HP4050 which is only 3 or 4 years old is level 2 only. At > the end of the day I'll have an option that lets you set what level > you > want. I imagine level 1 support will be necessary. > > But if you have level 3, you can have nice PS files. If you don't have > level 3 then you have to accept some sort of bodge in level 1 or 2, it > may be how Acorn have done things, it may be another way, but there > will always be the chance of problems with it. I would like to see an option to 'print as image'. I don't know, whether this also would be a work-around when only level 2 (or even level 1) is available. It would be even nicer, when this 'print as image' would result in a 'eps', that also can be imported in other programs ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 23:13:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AguBe-0003cE-Dm-0003e2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:13:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AguBe-0003cE-Dm; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:12:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AguBe-0003cE-Dm; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:12:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AguBZ-00007O-Su; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:12:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0ENCPm24879 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:12:25 GMT Received: from sodium.webfusion.co.uk (sodium.webfusion.co.uk [212.67.202.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0ENCOs24875 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:12:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from apache by sodium.webfusion.co.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AguBU-0000lF-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:12:24 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Received: from 82-35-18-28.cable.ubr03.hari.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.35.18.28]) by mail.dawnsun.co.uk with webmail; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:12:24 +0000 From: Peter Gaunt Message-ID: 4005ccd8.76e84afc.4362e0b4@dawnsun.co.uk In-Reply-To: <001801c3daef$468f4820$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Pete's webmailer (0.84) Organization: Somewhat chaotic Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:12:24 +0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION, INVALID_MSGID,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:39:26 +0100, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > The problem with the filled characters (I only can speak about > the PC environment) is due to the fonts. > [snip explanation] Thanks Tonnie. This has bothered me for over 15 years but at least I understand the reason for it now which is some consolation. Basically, without replacing the fonts concerned there's nothing can be done about it either. Drat. Yet another reason to pester David (yet again!) to do a Mac OS X version of OP. It'd wipe the floor with everything else that's out there at a similar price or even at a considerably higher price. Unfortunately, unless David manages to clone himself I can't see him doing one :-( -- Pete ==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 14 23:43:46 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AguXF-0001RB-92-0001Sk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:43:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AguXF-0001RB-92; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:34:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AguXF-0001RB-92; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:34:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AguWw-0004Pz-Rm; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:34:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0ENYTi29811 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:34:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0ENYT129808 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:34:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AguWq-0007Wy-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:34:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:32:58 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP References: <001801c3daef$468f4820$6502a8c0@padua> <4005ccd8.76e84afc.4362e0b4@dawnsun.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4005ccd8.76e84afc.4362e0b4@dawnsun.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Yet another reason to pester David (yet again!) to do a Mac OS X >version of OP. It'd wipe the floor with everything else that's out >there at a similar price or Well if anyone wanted to put together a business proposition... I've got enough risk with the Win version. Just now I think I've found an interesting shortcoming. Auto kerned text, on RISC OS appears to not be kerned on my PS printer - can that really be right? Auto kerned text (same font) on Windows seems to be a significantly different size. So much for cross platform compatibility. I chose an example of a line of AWAWAWAWAW maybe the effect is not noticeable in real life. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 15 13:28:23 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ah2nV-0005sC-FL-0005to."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:28:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ah2nV-0005sC-FL; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:24:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ah2nV-0005sC-FL; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:24:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ah2nK-0003sN-Ou; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:24:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0F8Nn818754 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:23:49 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0F8Nn718751 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:23:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.209] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ah2n6-0000y0-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:23:48 +0100 Received: from [172.182.249.103] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ah2n6-0000Y7-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:23:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:06:56 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Message-ID: <0070d7704c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 14 Jan, Peter Gaunt wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:36:48 +0000, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > I would like to hear what features you'd like to see in > > > PS output or what else is bad about the Acorn PS. > > > > I use the Acorn PS drivers a lot with OP for generating PDFs via > > Riscript. I then print the PDFs from my Mac. It's the only way I can get > > printouts from the Acorn these days. Generally speaking it works well > > though I don't make a lot of use of bit maps. > > > > One of the problems with Riscript, unless they've fixed it recently, is > > that it can't cope with clipped vector graphics with the result that I > > have to be careful to mask any clipped bits off using opaque, empty > > frames. > > > > So, my main request would be the ability to directly generate PDFs rather > > than normal Postscript along with proper handling of clipped vector > > graphics. > > If using RISC OS 4 you have Taborce (with a 3-page limit), you can > download Ghostscript (http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript/) and > TaborcaGS (http://www.sparkplug.org.uk/) to remove the 3-page limit and > get proper clipping in the PDF. I don't know whether this setup uses the > Acorn PS driver as first stage or not. It does, that is a slightly tweaked version of the Acorn PS driver. In my experience it is better to use the standard PostScript level 2 printer driver to generate the PS output, then feed that to GhostScript using the !ps2pdf front-end. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 15 13:28:27 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ah3Au-00073S-74-00077D."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:28:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ah3Au-00073S-74; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:48:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ah3Au-00073S-74; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:48:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ah3Ap-0007Kb-N1; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:48:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0F8mEH25885 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:48:14 GMT Received: from server.si-plan.com (i-195-137-105-11.freedom2surf.net [195.137.105.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0F8mD325879 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:48:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from server1.siplan (server1.siplan [192.168.0.1]) by server.si-plan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D1B141C6 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:56:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sw2.siplan ([192.168.0.249]) by server1.siplan (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:56:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dward by si-plan.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 15 Jan 2004 08:48:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:48:24 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Message-ID: <642a12714c.dward@si-plan.com> References: <0070d7704c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <0070d7704c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: Si-Plan Electronics Research Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.37) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <0070d7704c.martin@mw-software.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > In on Wed 14 Jan, Peter Gaunt wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:36:48 +0000, > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > I would like to hear what features you'd like to see in > > > > PS output or what else is bad about the Acorn PS. > > > > > > I use the Acorn PS drivers a lot with OP for generating PDFs via > > > Riscript. I then print the PDFs from my Mac. It's the only way I can get > > > printouts from the Acorn these days. Generally speaking it works well > > > though I don't make a lot of use of bit maps. > > > > > > One of the problems with Riscript, unless they've fixed it recently, is > > > that it can't cope with clipped vector graphics with the result that I > > > have to be careful to mask any clipped bits off using opaque, empty > > > frames. > > > > > > So, my main request would be the ability to directly generate PDFs rather > > > than normal Postscript along with proper handling of clipped vector > > > graphics. > > > > If using RISC OS 4 you have Taborce (with a 3-page limit), you can > > download Ghostscript (http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript/) and > > TaborcaGS (http://www.sparkplug.org.uk/) to remove the 3-page limit and > > get proper clipping in the PDF. I don't know whether this setup uses the > > Acorn PS driver as first stage or not. I'm glad someone else has found TaborcaGS to be of some use. > It does, that is a slightly tweaked version of the Acorn PS driver. In my > experience it is better to use the standard PostScript level 2 printer > driver to generate the PS output, then feed that to GhostScript using the > !ps2pdf front-end. My TaborcaGS uses the PS driver from the original Taborca and then passes it to ghostscript. Unfortunately as Martin says Taborca uses a tweaked Acorn Level 1 driver not the better level 2 driver. Level 1 driver has big problems clipping and both have problems with bitmaps, all bitmaps need to be in 24bit colour i.e. jpegs for the output to look good on the screen and when printed. I would have liked to do a level 2 version of my program bypassing the need to have Taborca installed but I do not have the source code and looking at the compressed basic support code I probably would have problems understanding it. My TaborcaGS was created as my father needed to generate PDFs and he could not remember how to drive ghostscript via the command line. I do use it myself but if I see a problem with the output I then use the level 2 driver and use ghostscript via the command line to generate the required output. Dave -- Dave Ward Software Engineer Si-Plan Electronics Research Ltd +44 (0) 1789 205849 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 15 13:28:31 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ah45Y-0004os-F1-0004uD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:28:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ah45Y-0004os-F1; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:46:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ah45Y-0004os-F1; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:46:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ah45R-0003oK-3L; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:46:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0F9kfA09094 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:46:41 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0F9kdf09076 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:46:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ah45H-0008KN-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:46:39 +0100 Received: from [172.176.136.204] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ah45H-0006Im-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:46:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:45:49 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Message-ID: <596c17714c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4005ccd8.76e84afc.4362e0b4@dawnsun.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >Yet another reason to pester David (yet again!) to do a Mac OS X > >version of OP. It'd wipe the floor with everything else that's out > >there at a similar price or > > Well if anyone wanted to put together a business proposition... I've got > enough risk with the Win version. > > Just now I think I've found an interesting shortcoming. Auto kerned > text, on RISC OS appears to not be kerned on my PS printer - can that > really be right? No, it works here. However, there are two things to be noted: * some development versions of the FontManager (in particular, some Unicode-enabled 26-bit versions) had a bug that stopped auto-kerning from working in PS output * (probably too obvious?): The kerning bit needs to be set when declaring the font using PDriver_DeclareFont Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 15 13:37:57 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ah7eT-00033z-A9-00035z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:37:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ah7eT-00033z-A9; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:35:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ah7eT-00033z-A9; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:35:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ah7eN-0008Ly-HI; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:35:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0FDYhc22794 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:34:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0FDYgQ22783 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:34:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ah7dx-000Jh8-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:34:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:33:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP References: <4005ccd8.76e84afc.4362e0b4@dawnsun.co.uk> <596c17714c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <596c17714c.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >* some development versions of the FontManager (in particular, some > Unicode-enabled 26-bit versions) had a bug that stopped auto-kerning > from working in PS output Many thanks, that will be my problem. >* (probably too obvious?): The kerning bit needs to be set when declaring > the font using PDriver_DeclareFont Ah yes, early versions of OP didn't do that - much upset. It was reflecting on that overnight which made me think something was wrong. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 15 13:58:01 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ah7rC-0003Tt-AU-0003Xx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:58:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ah7rC-0003Tt-AU; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:48:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ah7rC-0003Tt-AU; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:48:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ah7r8-0007rH-Kc; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:48:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0FDmDl00409 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:48:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0FDmCr00397 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:48:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ah7r1-000GTL-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:48:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:47:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP References: <4005ccd8.76e84afc.4362e0b4@dawnsun.co.uk> <596c17714c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Jeremy Brayshaw In message you wrote: > Hi, > > Everyone agrees the PostScript generated by the Acorn printer drivers is > bad. Hear hear! > I would like to hear what features you'd like to see in PS output or > what else is bad about the Acorn PS. Without understanding P.S. that's not an easy question to answer! All I know is I frequently run out of memory on my printer (HP2100M) even though it has the maximum amount it can take. A particular problem is when printing two-up A5's sideways on an A4 sheet. It often fails to complete the page, giving some sort of a problem that only outputs part of the page then hangs the printer with an error. (Using OvPro - not tried other software) Needless to say, the printer doesn't indicate what that error might be. > The things I have done or intend doing, include masked images using the > PS level 3 features, and direct output of CMYK colours to the printer. > > New PS level 3 features make masked images very easy and efficient, > shame no one has added them to the Acorn drivers. I assume from your text that the PostScript driver for OvPro will be ported to the RISCOS version? Can't say I'm interested in the Windows version, as if I ever get a 'PC' it'll run Linux rather than giving Gates any more money. My major concern is if you write code that is P.S. level 3 compatible, it won't be useable on my P.S. Level 2 printer? -- ====---------------==================------------------------==== Jeremy Brayshaw Jeremy@Brayshaw.org.uk ====---------------==================------------------------==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Jan 15 15:28:03 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ah9Li-000406-KJ-00042q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:28:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ah9Li-000406-KJ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:24:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ah9Li-000406-KJ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:23:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ah9LO-0003P0-UA; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:23:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0FFNNh13579 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:23:23 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0FFNMb13574 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:23:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Ah9L8-000FTo-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:23:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:22:13 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP References: <4005ccd8.76e84afc.4362e0b4@dawnsun.co.uk> <596c17714c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Without understanding P.S. that's not an easy question to answer! All I >know is I frequently run out of memory on my printer (HP2100M) even >though it has the maximum amount it can take. A particular problem is >when printing two-up A5's sideways on an A4 sheet. It often fails to >complete the page, giving some sort of a problem that only outputs part >of the page then hangs the printer with an error. (Using OvPro - not >tried other software) Needless to say, the printer doesn't indicate >what that error might be. My HP printer has an option in the set up that lets you control if an error message is printed when things fail. As to memory, well you can't fit a quart in a pint pot. I have a notion that on some printers you can allocate how memory is used, by default they may not make sensible use of it. I keep reading lurid warnings that fonts should only be downloaded to printers with hard discs built in - point being you may be able to make matters better. The usual reason why my PS printing fails seems to be data corruption over the network from the RISC PC. >I assume from your text that the PostScript driver for OvPro will be >ported to the RISCOS version? Can't say I'm interested in the Windows >version, as if I ever get a 'PC' it'll run Linux rather than giving >Gates any more money. >My major concern is if you write code that is P.S. level 3 compatible, >it won't be useable on my P.S. Level 2 printer? By the time I've finished, you'll be using a printer with level 3 PS on a Linux box with a completed version of Wine. So a Win version of OP using level 3 will be just what you want. Or they'll have finished porting the .net run time to Linux - a Win version doesn't have to run on a Microsoft operating system. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 20 16:34:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AiZVK-0003cc-AA-0004G1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:34:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AiZVK-0003cc-AA; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:55:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AiZVK-0003cc-AA; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:31:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AiZO6-0005UY-Hg; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:24:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0JDNpU03523 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:23:51 GMT Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0JDNph03512 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:23:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bghill.onetel.net.uk ([213.78.79.247]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ATA90532; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:23:47 GMT Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:29:13 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed 14 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >Yet another reason to pester David (yet again!) to do a Mac OS X > >version of OP. It'd wipe the floor with everything else that's out > >there at a similar price or > > Well if anyone wanted to put together a business proposition... I've got > enough risk with the Win version. > > Just now I think I've found an interesting shortcoming. Auto kerned > text, on RISC OS appears to not be kerned on my PS printer - can that > really be right? > > Auto kerned text (same font) on Windows seems to be a significantly > different size. So much for cross platform compatibility. > > I chose an example of a line of AWAWAWAWAW maybe the effect is not > noticeable in real life. > > I have just repeated your AWAWAW test using my HP LaserJet5000 PS printer which printed the autokerned sample as expected with the kerned version about 89% of the length of the other. Berni. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road email: bghill@onetel.net.uk Undy, Caldicot NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 20 16:34:51 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AigPU-0006A1-5P-0003pF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:34:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AigPU-0006A1-5P; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:56:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AigPU-0006A1-5P; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:54:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AigAf-0004Ip-BM; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:38:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0JKcgG23663 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:38:42 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0JKcfq23659 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:38:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aibqb-0004lZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:01:54 +0100 Received: from [172.177.13.242] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AiblJ-0007hB-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:56:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:54:59 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP Message-ID: <7b9048734c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message "Bernard G. Hill" wrote: > On Wed 14 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >Yet another reason to pester David (yet again!) to do a Mac OS X > > >version of OP. It'd wipe the floor with everything else that's out > > >there at a similar price or > > > > Well if anyone wanted to put together a business proposition... I've got > > enough risk with the Win version. > > > > Just now I think I've found an interesting shortcoming. Auto kerned > > text, on RISC OS appears to not be kerned on my PS printer - can that > > really be right? > > > > Auto kerned text (same font) on Windows seems to be a significantly > > different size. So much for cross platform compatibility. > > > > I chose an example of a line of AWAWAWAWAW maybe the effect is not > > noticeable in real life. > > > > > I have just repeated your AWAWAW test using my HP LaserJet5000 PS > printer which printed the autokerned sample as expected with the kerned > version about 89% of the length of the other. As I pointed out in my reply a few days ago, David was mistaken: It does indeed work. So, your result is not surprising. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 20 18:41:00 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aj0g9-0007Jj-JZ-0007ML."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:41:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aj0g9-0007Jj-JZ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:32:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aj0g9-0007Jj-JZ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:32:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Aizzh-0004kN-S3; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:48:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0KHmTS27294 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:48:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0KHmTn27287 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:48:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AizzI-000CNr-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:48:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:46:54 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PostScript output from OP References: <7b9048734c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <7b9048734c.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >As I pointed out in my reply a few days ago, David was mistaken: It does >indeed work. So, your result is not surprising. Two things to say. Kerning didn't work on RISC OS for me because I had the Unicode font manager installed on my RPC - just as Martin said. Second kerning on Windows didn't match up with RISC OS because of a bug in Ovation Pro for Windows. I've fixed that and there is now no difference. So that potential problem has gone away. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 21 18:59:35 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AjNV5-00075v-Jb-000784."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:59:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AjNV5-00075v-Jb; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:54:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AjNV5-00075v-Jb; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:54:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AjNUz-0001cf-2K; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:54:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0LIsLM05458 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:54:21 GMT Received: from cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0LIsKw05454 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:54:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-1507.kawau.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.78.149.227] helo=localhost) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AjNU5-0004nW-Ud for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:53:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:53:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] [OP] Templates Message-ID: <4c74608caemark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Today when printing a document, I noticed that I couldn't see the marbled background behind a couple of the buttons. So, I went searching in the Templates file and found that the Front & Back radio buttons had been set to filled. Deselecting the filled option made them look much better. While I was at it, I went through all the other templates and found the same in 'Guidelines' with the text next to the left and right writable icons. Finally, I found a template for paragraph rules which looked quite interesting, but I couldn't find it in Ovation Pro anywhere. I'm assuming this hasn't been implemented yet? -- Hey, Mr. Peterson, Jack Frost nipping at your nose? Yep, now let's get Joe Beer nipping at my liver, huh? ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Jan 21 19:39:37 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AjO87-0003Si-Ji-0003Uz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:39:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AjO87-0003Si-Ji; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:35:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AjO87-0003Si-Ji; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:35:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AjO80-0002cL-De; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:35:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0LJYnG25564 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:34:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0LJYlr25546 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:34:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AjO7i-000LBk-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:34:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:33:37 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] [OP] Templates References: <4c74608caemark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c74608caemark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Today when printing a document, I noticed that I couldn't see the marbled >background behind a couple of the buttons. So, I went searching in the Fair enough, but sometimes things are as they are for a reason. Those radio buttons are written to - "front and back" do change to "left and right" and I guess you may find the text corrupts now. >Finally, I found a template for paragraph rules which looked quite >interesting, but I couldn't find it in Ovation Pro anywhere. I'm assuming >this hasn't been implemented yet? Yes. One day, one day... 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 24 19:07:09 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AkSxx-0004au-Nb-0004bu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:07:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AkSxx-0004au-Nb; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:57:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AkSxx-0004au-Nb; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:57:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AkSxj-0004k5-UI; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:56:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0OIuUn00910 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:56:30 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0OIuT100902 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:56:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AkSxI-00082u-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:56:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:55:17 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows 16th January References: <4c74608caemark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I'd better point out that there is a new version of Ovation Pro for Windows available. This is the 16th January release of 2.72. There's not much new, but the previous one has timed out. The main thing I have been working on, is direct PostScript generation. There's quite a lot of this in the version of the program on the web site, however unless you're aware of all the limitations it's probably best left alone (it is not enabled by default). Many bugs and problems will have been tackled but none so significant that I can remember. I'm making good progress with the direct PostScript so I may produce another version in a couple of weeks or so. This work makes me think that some areas of RISC OS were inspired by PostScript, gluing Ovation Pro on to PostScript is a lot simpler than gluing it on to the Windows GDI. The URL is as usual http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html ======================================================== Background. The Windows PostScript printer drivers are not capable of rendering everything in an Ovation Pro document, so OP has to be able to produce its own PostScript. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Jan 24 22:27:19 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AkW7Q-0006Cb-6w-0006ET."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:27:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AkW7Q-0006Cb-6w; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:19:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AkW7Q-0006Cb-6w; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:19:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AkW7K-0002aG-5q; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:19:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0OMIit12429 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:18:44 GMT Received: from cmailm6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0OMIiU12422 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:18:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-1549.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.70.13] helo=localhost) by cmailm6.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AkW6M-0007t3-Lb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:18:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:06:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: [OP] Templates Message-ID: <4c75fdc909mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c74608caemark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Today when printing a document, I noticed that I couldn't see the marbled > >background behind a couple of the buttons. So, I went searching in the > Fair enough, but sometimes things are as they are for a reason. Those > radio buttons are written to - "front and back" do change to "left and > right" and I guess you may find the text corrupts now. See what you mean :( > >Finally, I found a template for paragraph rules which looked quite > >interesting, but I couldn't find it in Ovation Pro anywhere. I'm assuming > >this hasn't been implemented yet? > Yes. One day, one day... 8-) Would this have something to do with creating tables natively in Ovation? :) -- What's the story, Norm? Boy meets beer. Boy drinks beer. Boy meets another beer. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net