From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 5 17:20:57 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ASJYs-0001xe-AJ-00021B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:20:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ASJYs-0001xe-AJ; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:16:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ASJYs-0001xe-AJ; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:16:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ASJYf-0006NT-BU; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:16:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB5HFHw03158 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:15:17 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB5HFHf03151 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:15:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.25.121] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAEE6290170; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:05:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:16:27 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] selection Message-ID: References: <4c4c804c3asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id hB5HFHf03154 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) It frequently happens˜but bafflingly not quite always˜that a style will decide it wants to apply to paragraphs, and however often I set it to apply to selections, it will put itself back to the paragraph setting. Why is this? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 5 17:30:54 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ASJhu-00022v-9S-000280."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:30:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ASJhu-00022v-9S; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:25:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ASJhu-00022v-9S; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:25:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ASJhl-0000BL-S0; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:25:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB5HPMO20458 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:25:22 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB5HPLY20443 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:25:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ASJhh-000Khv-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:25:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:23:54 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] selection References: <4c4c804c3asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id hB5HPLY20445 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It frequently happensËœbut bafflingly not quite alwaysËœthat >a style will decide it wants to apply to paragraphs, and however >often I set it to apply to selections, it will put itself back to the >paragraph setting. Why is this? Are you saying the scope setting in the Edit style window changes, or is it just that the observed effect varies? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 5 19:50:59 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ASLpi-0002Bp-85-0002Cf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:50:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ASLpi-0002Bp-85; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:41:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ASLpi-0002Bp-85; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:41:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ASLpX-0005om-W2; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:41:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB5JfTx10528 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:41:29 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB5JfSN10521 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:41:28 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.25.121] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD326B80170; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:32:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:42:42 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] selection Message-ID: <99cb305c4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <4c4c804c3asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id hB5JfSN10522 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > Are you saying the scope setting in the Edit style window changes, or is > it just that the observed effect varies? > Both: there is no sign left anywhere that I ever changed it. (I've noticed this on and off for years now) M.J.T. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 5 22:31:06 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ASOLy-0005rx-JR-0005ti."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:31:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ASOLy-0005rx-JR; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:23:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ASOLy-0005rx-JR; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:23:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ASOLo-0005rF-U9; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:23:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB5MMwh25504 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:22:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB5MMvh25501 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:22:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ASOLh-000O1S-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:22:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:21:19 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] selection References: <4c4c804c3asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <99cb305c4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99cb305c4c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Are you saying the scope setting in the Edit style window changes, or is >> it just that the observed effect varies? Right, seemingly this is a feature not a bug. Jan-Maarten van Vredenburch has had to point it out to me. Apparently the idea is that if you set any format attributes for the style, it auto changes to paragraph scope - which (trust me) makes some sort of sense. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Dec 7 13:17:05 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ASuKp-0002mu-DT-0002p4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:17:05 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ASuKp-0002mu-DT; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:32:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ASuKp-0002mu-DT; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:32:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ASuKC-0008Ea-5k; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:31:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB78UwQ32151 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:30:58 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB78Uv932145 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:30:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-504.blastoise.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.43.248] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASuJb-0002S9-Sd for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:30:56 +0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:31:06 GMT From: "Alex. Cessford" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro Message-ID: References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SATISFACTION, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >> >From: charles hope > > A few comments. > > Firstly if you post from an address that is not subscribed to this list, > your message bounces to me, and I have to forward it to the list. So the > comment was from Charles Hope not from me. Oh! My apologies. I thought that I subscribed to this list long ago? Certainly I've had MPro fetching the postings to this list for a goodish number of months now, so I don't quite understand what happened here. Having just re-read all this, it's appears to me that this 'bouncing' has occurred because I used the softwarelist address to do a "Reply-To". If I am correct (?) does this mean that softwarelist@davidpilling.net is not subscribed to softwarelist@davidpilling.net? I have don't pretend to understand about these things, I just use them, so feel free to laugh and/or hurl appropriate comments in my direction :-) no offence will be taken. > And if anyone has similar support templates for any RISC OS application > we'll >be interested in hosting them on the new Qercus web site. > > There is a third party Ovation Pro web site; > > http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/ Thank you for this information, I've duly stored it safely. > which is the first place to look for anything like document templates. > And (hmm hmm) the first place to send anything you'd like other OP users > to have access to 8-) If I have anything worthwhile I'll gladly share it. > There are also some Avery templates on the OP CD - probably not the > right ones, but that is another resource. I did say originally that I couldn't think where else to look - the OP CD is such a place that never occurred to me, thank you again. > Finally congratulations to John Cartmel on his take over of Acorn User - > which is what all the Quercus is about. Quercus robur being the mighty > English Oak tree, from which little Acorns grow. > > I guess for those of us who saw issue one of Acorn User (a freebie if > you'd bought a BBC micro) it is interesting to see what has happened to > it. Yes I'll certainly echo that. My subscription to Acorn User ended recently and I have yet to respond to the two or three reminders/offers to re-subscribe that I have been sent because I was not overly satisfied with its content, not to mention its somewhat skimpy proof-reading! I'll probably invest again now. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 8 23:01:02 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ATUE6-00046k-Dp-0004CB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:01:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ATUE6-00046k-Dp; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:51:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ATUE6-00046k-Dp; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:51:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATUDA-0001wP-JG; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:50:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB8Mnv028482 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:49:57 GMT Received: from technetium.cix.co.uk (technetium.cix.co.uk [194.153.0.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB8Mntq28479 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:49:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (from cix@localhost) by technetium.cix.co.uk (8.11.3/CIX/8.11.2) id hB8MnsW14394 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:49:54 GMT X-Envelope-From: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:49 +0000 (GMT) From:(E J Phillips) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Ameol-Version: 2.52.2000, Windows 98 4.10.2222 ( A ) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In-Reply-To: Which is what I have done: no problem John Phillips. Cumbria in the North West -------- Original Message -------- >From: charles hope In article <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk>, Alex. Cessford wrote: > I'm looking for an OP file that matches Avery L7676 Full Face CD/DVD > Labels. Why not draw your own template? All you need to do is to measure a sheet of labels and transfer the measurements to an OVPro document. -- Using an Iyonix, running RISC OS5. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 8 23:11:03 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ATUVe-0005Vk-6Q-0005Y1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:11:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ATUVe-0005Vk-6Q; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:09:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ATUVe-0005Vk-6Q; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:09:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATUV5-0003d6-BU; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:09:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB8N97j02872 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:09:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB8N97V02866 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:09:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ATUV1-000BTF-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:09:07 +0000 Message-ID: <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:07:45 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, > Oh! My apologies. I thought that I subscribed to this list long ago? Err yes you do, my comment was pointing out that the suggestion you thanked me for was from in fact from Charles Hope. > happened here. Having just re-read all this, it's appears to me that > this 'bouncing' has occurred because I used the softwarelist address > to do a "Reply-To". If I am correct (?) Nope your mail didn't bounce, Charles Hope's did. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 9 13:50:30 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ATVoC-0003AD-59-0003Bq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:50:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ATVoC-0003AD-59; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:33:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ATVoC-0003AD-59; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:33:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATVo6-0005OT-F2; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:32:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB90Wm121982 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:32:48 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB90WmL21978 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:32:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ATVnz-000CUH-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:32:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:31:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Thinking back to when the 32 bit version of Ovation Pro came out, one problem was that some people with older machines would not install the new Shared C library which was required. For this reason they're still using 2.67 and 2.67 has remained as an option on my website. What I've just done is relink 2.72 with Justin Fletcher's StubsG - result a version of the program that will run on Iyonix and older machines without any need to update modules. If you're already using 2.72 there is nothing to do. However if you're a 2.67 user you can now upgrade - however note you will still have to upgrade the handful of applets which use compiled code - things like the fill applet and colour supplement. A list of these is given in the upgrade documentation. This is the URL of the upgrade. http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op272.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 9 13:51:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ATerN-0007a1-Ik-0007de."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:51:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ATerN-0007a1-Ik; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:12:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ATerN-0007a1-Ik; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:12:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATeqf-00072X-NV; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:12:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB9AC0s30933 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:12:00 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB9ABxn30923 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:11:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=33097 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATeqU-0007Di-Se for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:11:58 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55745 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATeqQ-0001eh-Hc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:11:54 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c3bd73$ee1fdc60$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:13:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:31 AM, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Thinking back to when the 32 bit version of Ovation Pro came out, one > problem was that some people with older machines would not install the > new Shared C library which was required. For this reason they're still > using 2.67 and 2.67 has remained as an option on my website. > > What I've just done is relink 2.72 with Justin Fletcher's StubsG - > result a version of the program that will run on Iyonix and older > machines without any need to update modules. > If you're already using 2.72 there is nothing to do. I am already using 2.72 with newer modules and newer applets. However, from time to time newer (32 bit) modules appear. So, I wonder would it be wise to 'switch' from the 32 bit version 2.72 to the 2.72 version "of the program that will run on Iyonix and older machines without any need to update modules." Or, will this happen transparantly in a possible future release of 2.73? Or, doesn't your announcement mean, that there are 2 different versions of 2.72? > However if you're a > 2.67 user you can now upgrade - however note you will still have to > upgrade the handful of applets which use compiled code - things like > the fill applet and colour supplement. A list of these is given in the > upgrade documentation. > > This is the URL of the upgrade. > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op272.zip Yes, I am confused or I don't understand ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 9 14:10:18 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ATiQg-0002XE-7p-00033S."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:10:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ATiQg-0002XE-7p; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:01:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ATiQg-0002XE-7p; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:01:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATiPv-0004eU-OX; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:00:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB9Dxjo25493 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:59:45 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB9DxjC25488 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:59:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ATiOu-000NbH-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:59:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:58:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 References: <001201c3bd73$ee1fdc60$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <001201c3bd73$ee1fdc60$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >However, from time to time newer (32 bit) modules appear. Modules? Ah you mean like the Shared C lib. >Or, will this happen transparantly in a possible future release of 2.73? All being well 2.73 will be linked with StubsG - so it will work without the latest Castle shared C lib. The idea here is to make a small step forward. >Or, doesn't your announcement mean, that there are 2 different versions of >2.72? The announcement means there are two versions of 2.72 - quite naughty, but you can tell them by the date in the info box. It occurred to me overnight that the upgrade won't actually work, this is because the !Freshen is a 32 bit version, I suppose you could apply the patch by hand (it only consists of copying files). Anyway I will produce a StubsG version of Freshen and fix the upgrade this afternoon. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 9 20:00:36 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ATnzM-0006oh-6L-0006pq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:00:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ATnzM-0006oh-6L; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 19:57:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ATnzM-0006oh-6L; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 19:57:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATnr8-0006iM-GP; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 19:49:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB9Jn3c04619 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:49:03 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB9Jn2a04616 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:49:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.229.54] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ATnqx-0005VQ-3N for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 19:49:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 19:49:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 Message-ID: <4c5e40ca10dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, [Snip] > What I've just done is relink 2.72 with Justin Fletcher's StubsG - > result a version of the program that will run on Iyonix and older > machines without any need to update modules. [Snip] Where can one get a copy of StubsG from, Mr P? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 9 21:30:43 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ATpR2-0001mv-4L-0001ok."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:30:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ATpR2-0001mv-4L; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:30:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ATpR2-0001mv-4L; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:30:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATpQk-0002oQ-CF; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:30:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB9LTvx08713 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:29:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB9LTu208704 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:29:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ATpQZ-000KLI-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:29:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:28:33 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5e40ca10dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c5e40ca10dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Where can one get a copy of StubsG from, Mr P? So I had a quick google... http://support.riscos.com/Support/Resources/Libraries/StubsG/ -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 10 13:57:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ATxQA-0003ei-CS-0003hI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:57:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ATxQA-0003ei-CS; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:02:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ATxQA-0003ei-CS; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:02:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATxPZ-0001f2-T3; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:01:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBA60CQ12825 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:00:12 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBA601V12733 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:00:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.212.244] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ATxO8-000MRZ-UE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:59:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:59:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 Message-ID: <4c5e78929edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5e40ca10dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Where can one get a copy of StubsG from, Mr P? > So I had a quick google... > http://support.riscos.com/Support/Resources/Libraries/StubsG/ Thanks. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 10 17:37:19 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AU8CV-0007Cy-Co-0007Gq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:37:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AU8CV-0007Cy-Co; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:32:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AU8CV-0007Cy-Co; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:32:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AU8CK-0000hL-PN; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:32:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBAHWBI17706 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:32:11 GMT Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBAHWAg17701 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:32:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (81-86-238-205.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.238.205]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739C216000199 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:32:10 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:31:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have started having trouble printing TableMate tables which are placed in frames in an OvPro document. They used to print OK until recently, but have now started printing blank tables. The table prints OK directly from TableMate. I can't think that I have changed anything relevent lately except install EasyFontPro. Can anyone suggest a remedy, please? Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 10 17:47:19 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AU8Nk-0006oD-FO-0006ul."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:47:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AU8Nk-0006oD-FO; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:44:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AU8Nk-0006oD-FO; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:44:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AU8NY-00018h-Oi; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:44:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBAHhwc21415 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:43:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBAHhuY21405 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:43:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AU8NP-000Itd-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:43:55 +0000 Message-ID: <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:42:17 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have started having trouble printing TableMate tables >which are placed in frames in an OvPro document. On which version of RISC OS etc. is this? It brings to mind the 'disappearing text in draw files' problem (on Iyonix) discussed here a few weeks back, to which there seems to be no problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 10 18:57:24 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AU9Pz-0000hn-Gz-0000k0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:57:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AU9Pz-0000hn-Gz; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:50:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AU9Pz-0000hn-Gz; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:50:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AU9PZ-0003hl-U1; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:50:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBAIo5u17306 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:50:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBAIo4E17299 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:50:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AU9PQ-0003gg-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:50:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:48:54 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Qercus editor On 10 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: > I have started having trouble printing TableMate tables > which are placed in frames in an OvPro document. > They used to print OK until recently, but have now started > printing blank tables. The table prints OK directly from > TableMate. I can't think that I have changed anything > relevent lately except install EasyFontPro. > Can anyone suggest a remedy, please? Take note of David's answer and also try saving the files from TableMate and straight into OvPro as Draw files (having carefully saved the original) and quit TableMate from the Icon Bar before printing. -- John Cartmell editor Qercus - editor@qercus.com www.qercus.com Qercus: a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines one magazine for graphics & design - one magazine for all RISC OS users Finnybank Ltd 30 Finnybank Rd Sale M33 6LR == 0161 969 9820 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 10 20:47:27 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUB7c-0007Xr-D3-0007gB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:47:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUB7c-0007Xr-D3; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:39:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUB7c-0007Xr-D3; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:39:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUB7L-0005Ni-8i; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:39:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBAKdPb25618 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:39:25 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBAKdOB25606 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:39:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.203.138] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AUB7B-000OmY-UL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:39:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:09:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 Message-ID: <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c5e78929edfs@ukgateway.net> References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5e40ca10dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c5e78929edfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 10 Dec, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > >Where can one get a copy of StubsG from, Mr P? > > So I had a quick google... > > http://support.riscos.com/Support/Resources/Libraries/StubsG/ > Thanks. > Dave S Yes well, all very interesting... Probably. What do you do with StubsG once you've downloaded it? Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 10 21:27:29 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUBqc-0004ng-8A-0004tD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:27:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUBqc-0004ng-8A; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:26:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUBqc-0004ng-8A; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:26:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUBqJ-0003sL-PG; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:25:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBALPuj11070 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:25:56 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBALPt511056 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:25:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AUBqE-000ExG-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:25:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:24:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5e40ca10dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c5e78929edfs@ukgateway.net> <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >What do you do with StubsG once you've downloaded it? Normally you link a C program with something called 'stubs'. This is the bit of tiky taky that glues the C program onto the Shared C Library. What you do is replace stubs with stubsG. So it is chiefly of use to people with the C source code for programs. Although possibly someone could produce something that patched it in to existing programs. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 10 22:57:33 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUD9n-0000TG-7Y-0000Vt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:57:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUD9n-0000TG-7Y; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:50:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUD9n-0000TG-7Y; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:50:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUD9h-0007TB-UT; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:50:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBAMntO05129 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:49:55 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBAMnsC05124 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:49:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from du-009-0154.freeuk.com ([212.126.152.154] helo=helvellyn) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUD9V-0000g3-UD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:49:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:41:09 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 Message-ID: References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5e40ca10dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c5e78929edfs@ukgateway.net> <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (10 Aug 2003) sb-2, ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 10 Dec, Dave Symes wrote in message <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net>: > Yes well, all very interesting... Probably. What do you do with StubsG > once you've downloaded it? Unless you're a programmer, nothing. As a user, you don't need it: you just use the software (in this case O-Pro) that has been compiled with it. The point of compiling with StubsG is that it lets O-Pro work with both the 26-bit and 32-bit Shared C Libraries. There's some debate as to whether its use is actually a good thing or not. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ * Dec 10 1903 - Marie Curie became the first woman to win a Nobel prize. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 10 22:57:34 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUDDc-0004TY-HJ-0004W1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:57:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUDDc-0004TY-HJ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:54:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUDDc-0004TY-HJ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:54:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUDDZ-0007sI-8C; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:54:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBAMs3j06259 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:54:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBAMs3r06256 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:54:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AUDDV-000AHH-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:54:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:23:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 Message-ID: <4c5ecd3479Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5e40ca10dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c5e78929edfs@ukgateway.net> <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > Yes well, all very interesting... Probably. > What do you do with StubsG once you've downloaded it? Unless you're a programmer compiling & linking C/assembler programs, nothing at all. David mentioned StubsG when he said: > What I've just done is relink 2.72 with Justin Fletcher's StubsG - > result a version of the program that will run on Iyonix and older > machines without any need to update modules. which is the process *he* went through to make a version of OP that you (or I) can run on either a 26-bit or 32-bit machine. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 10 23:27:35 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUDcB-0001js-FA-0001lP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:27:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUDcB-0001js-FA; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:19:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUDcB-0001js-FA; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:19:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUDc7-0007iv-8M; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:19:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBANJNV13832 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:19:23 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBANJNM13829 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:19:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AUDc2-000EBm-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:19:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:18:07 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5e40ca10dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c5e78929edfs@ukgateway.net> <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >the 26-bit and 32-bit Shared C Libraries. There's some debate as to >whether its use is actually a good thing or not. Go on tell me the worst before things get out of hand... I just want to make life simpler for everyone. I guess looking at things tonight the linked code is slightly larger with StubsG, perhaps by using it some snazzy compiler features can't be used - all a fair trade for a simpler life. Mind you how much sympathy can you have with people who insist on using ancient software (which won't work with the new shared C library) and by doing so block any new developments. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 10 23:27:37 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUDgS-0000lL-7W-0000n5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:27:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUDgS-0000lL-7W; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:23:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUDgS-0000lL-7W; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:23:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUDgD-0002zg-HZ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:23:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBANNcH15199 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:23:38 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBANNcm15193 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:23:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.151.177] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUDg1-0002tc-0G for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:23:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:01:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 Message-ID: <4c5dfffa30steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 09 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > What I've just done is relink 2.72 with Justin Fletcher's StubsG - > result a version of the program that will run on Iyonix and older > machines without any need to update modules. Is that intended as a "all machines" version? I ask as I was sent a beta test version of a program that crashed the keyboard/mouse section of the OS (USB support?) when compiled with StubsG but worked perfectly with SharedC. There may be "issues" -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 10 23:33:14 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUDoz-00035c-9L-00038Y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:33:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUDoz-00035c-9L; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:32:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUDoz-00035c-9L; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:32:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUDns-00045K-5h; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:31:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBANVW617138 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:31:32 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBANVVT17135 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:31:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AUDnn-000Gqz-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:31:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:29:52 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5dfffa30steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5dfffa30steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is that intended as a "all machines" version? Yes. >I ask as I was sent a beta test version of a program that crashed the >keyboard/mouse section of the OS (USB support?) when compiled with StubsG >but worked perfectly with SharedC. >There may be "issues" Oh. Well we'll find out if that is the case soon enough. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 12:18:46 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUKkD-0007ST-L3-0007Tr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:18:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUKkD-0007ST-L3; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:56:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUKkD-0007ST-L3; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:56:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUKjT-0001cV-36; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:55:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBB6suL16578 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:54:56 GMT Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBB6ssi16565 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:54:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (81-86-237-245.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.237.245]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B0916000095 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:54:51 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:53:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > >From: Qercus editor > On 10 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: > > I have started having trouble printing TableMate tables > > which are placed in frames in an OvPro document. > > They used to print OK until recently, but have now > > started printing blank tables. The table prints OK > > directly from TableMate. I can't think that I have > > changed anything relevent lately except install > > EasyFontPro. > > Can anyone suggest a remedy, please? > Take note of David's answer and also try saving the files > from TableMate and straight into OvPro as Draw files > (having carefully saved the original) and quit TableMate > from the Icon Bar before printing. Thank you David for your reply and for forwarding John Cartmell's reply. I am using an Iyonix with RiscOS 5.03, OvPro v.2.72, Tablemate v.5.00a (I seem to remember that I replaced a module to make this 32-bit compatible) and Printer v. 1.67. This setup used to work OK. I have recently installed EasyFontPro v.5.11 and so far as I know !Fonts is also running - could there be a clash between them? Regarding John's suggestion of using Draw: this is the work around that I have been using. A Draw file in OvPro still prints the blank table, but if I Convert To Path then although it looks horrible on screen it prints out properly. Doing this for every table in a document though is not very convenient to say the least. Am I the only one to suffer this problem? Thanks for any more suggestions that may be offered. Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 12:18:53 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AULkU-0006XU-KY-0006YY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:18:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AULkU-0006XU-KY; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:00:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AULkU-0006XU-KY; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:00:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AULis-0006jI-Jy; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:58:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBB7wqw28498 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:58:52 GMT Received: from mxout2.netvision.net.il (mxout2.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBB7wpt28493 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:58:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.58.194]) by mxout2.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPQ007MG0U2HE@mxout2.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:58:50 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:58:50 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing In-reply-to: <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3FD823BA.5060605@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031028 References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Graham Jenkins wrote: > On 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > >>>From: Qercus editor > > >>On 10 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: >> >>>I have started having trouble printing TableMate tables >>>which are placed in frames in an OvPro document. > > >>>They used to print OK until recently, but have now >>>started printing blank tables. The table prints OK >>>directly from TableMate. I can't think that I have >>>changed anything relevent lately except install >>>EasyFontPro. > > >>>Can anyone suggest a remedy, please? > > > >>Take note of David's answer and also try saving the files >>from TableMate and straight into OvPro as Draw files >>(having carefully saved the original) and quit TableMate >>from the Icon Bar before printing. > > > > Thank you David for your reply and for forwarding John > Cartmell's reply. > > I am using an Iyonix with RiscOS 5.03, OvPro v.2.72, > Tablemate v.5.00a (I seem to remember that I replaced a > module to make this 32-bit compatible) and Printer v. 1.67. > > This setup used to work OK. I have recently installed > EasyFontPro v.5.11 and so far as I know !Fonts is also > running - could there be a clash between them? > > Regarding John's suggestion of using Draw: this is the work > around that I have been using. A Draw file in OvPro still > prints the blank table, but if I Convert To Path then > although it looks horrible on screen it prints out properly. > Doing this for every table in a document though is not very > convenient to say the least. > > Am I the only one to suffer this problem? No. You are not alone! However, I have found that the problem does not manifext itself immediately, but only after the system has been running for a while. Possibly some s/w loaded later is interfering, but I have not yet managed to find out what. I use SPrinter from David Pilling to test whether the problem exists yet, and if it does I do a quick reboot and try again. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 12:19:00 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUNbA-0000Ci-5y-0002mL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:19:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUNbA-0000Ci-5y; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:01:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUNbA-0000Ci-5y; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:59:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUNat-0006PA-QJ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:58:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBB9wgN30207 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:58:42 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBB9wf030196 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:58:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=41961 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUNai-0003rN-Mi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:58:40 +0100 Received: from cp65220-a.venra1.lb.home.nl ([213.51.39.200]:49186 helo=sol) by smtp4.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUNah-0004Tb-Jk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:58:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:57:21 +0100 From: "I.F.T. Busser" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: <7d38125f4c.BenBfm@feniks.demon.nl> References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> X-Organization: Busser & Busser facility management User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> you wrote: > On 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >From: Qercus editor > > > On 10 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: > > > I have started having trouble printing TableMate tables > > > which are placed in frames in an OvPro document. > > > > They used to print OK until recently, but have now > > > started printing blank tables. The table prints OK > > > directly from TableMate. I can't think that I have > > > changed anything relevent lately except install > > > EasyFontPro. > > > > Can anyone suggest a remedy, please? > > > > Take note of David's answer and also try saving the files > > from TableMate and straight into OvPro as Draw files > > (having carefully saved the original) and quit TableMate > > from the Icon Bar before printing. > > > Thank you David for your reply and for forwarding John > Cartmell's reply. > > I am using an Iyonix with RiscOS 5.03, OvPro v.2.72, > Tablemate v.5.00a (I seem to remember that I replaced a > module to make this 32-bit compatible) and Printer v. 1.67. > > This setup used to work OK. I have recently installed > EasyFontPro v.5.11 and so far as I know !Fonts is also > running - could there be a clash between them? > > Regarding John's suggestion of using Draw: this is the work > around that I have been using. A Draw file in OvPro still > prints the blank table, but if I Convert To Path then > although it looks horrible on screen it prints out properly. > Doing this for every table in a document though is not very > convenient to say the least. > > Am I the only one to suffer this problem? > > Thanks for any more suggestions that may be offered. > > Cheers - > No I have told David about this problem too. But it disappeared when I remade the table from scratch again and then imported it. (I was using the table as a template for invoicing). I am using the same setup althought Tablemate is running under Aemulor. You might try if that works. Ike -- I.F.T. Busser Busser & Busser f.m. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 12:19:02 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUO6k-0005X6-4s-0000Al."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:19:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUO6k-0005X6-4s; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:33:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUO6k-0005X6-4s; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:31:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUO6R-0000wj-8p; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:31:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBAVM819656 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:31:22 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBAVKq19648 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:31:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AUO6J-0001Iw-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:31:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:28:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: <4c5f1516eejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: > Regarding John's suggestion of using Draw: this is the work around that > I have been using. A Draw file in OvPro still prints the blank table, > but if I Convert To Path then although it looks horrible on screen it > prints out properly. Doing this for every table in a document though is > not very convenient to say the least. Isolate the problem. Does it still not work if you produce something in Draw using text? If there is a problem there then ignore the TableMate connection and follow David's advice regard the draw problem. If Draw works but TableMate doesn't then we'll see about getting a later version of TableMate to you. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 12:19:13 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUPDI-00014K-Jw-00018v."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:19:13 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUPDI-00014K-Jw; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:42:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUPDI-00014K-Jw; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:42:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUPCe-0002Ya-Sz; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:41:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBBfom22167 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:41:50 GMT Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBBfnj22161 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:41:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (81-86-254-51.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.254.51]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AD916000548 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:41:49 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:40:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: <4c5f1bb0c8graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5f1516eejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <4c5f1516eejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Dec, John Cartmell wrote: > On 11 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: > > Regarding John's suggestion of using Draw: this is the > > work around that I have been using. A Draw file in > > OvPro still prints the blank table, but if I Convert To > > Path then although it looks horrible on screen it > > prints out properly. Doing this for every table in a > > document though is not very convenient to say the least. > Isolate the problem. Does it still not work if you > produce something in Draw using text? If there is a > problem there then ignore the TableMate connection and > follow David's advice regard the draw problem. If Draw > works but TableMate doesn't then we'll see about getting > a later version of TableMate to you. OK. I create a Table containing text in Tablemate and it prints direct from TableMate OK. I transfer this table to a frame in OvPro and it prints only a blank table. I save the table from TableMate as a draw file and drop it into OvPro and also put the same file into Draw and convert to path, dropping this into Ovpro. Printing this produces a blank table for the plain draw file and a complete table with text from the convert to path file. I create a rectangle in draw and insert some text into that. This prints OK from Draw. I transfer this to a frame in OvPro and it prints the rectangle without the text. I go back to draw and do a Convert to Path and put this into OvPro and it prints OK. Does this help at all? Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 12:19:16 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUPTc-00001V-5c-0007T5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:19:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUPTc-00001V-5c; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:15:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUPTc-00001V-5c; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:59:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUPOV-0004JF-6S; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:54:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBBs7o27855 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:54:07 GMT Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBBs6v27848 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:54:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (81-86-254-51.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.254.51]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E05160000AB for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:54:06 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:54:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: <4c5f1ce860graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >From: Qercus editor > On 10 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: > > I have started having trouble printing TableMate tables > > which are placed in frames in an OvPro document. > > They used to print OK until recently, but have now > > started printing blank tables. The table prints OK > > directly from TableMate. I can't think that I have > > changed anything relevent lately except install > > EasyFontPro. > > Can anyone suggest a remedy, please? > Take note of David's answer and also try saving the files > from TableMate and straight into OvPro as Draw files > (having carefully saved the original) and quit TableMate > from the Icon Bar before printing. Further to this: I remember that a few months ago if I tried to print an OvPro doc containing tables with TableMate still on the iconbar it produced a fatal error. More recently this hasn't happened. I can't remember what I did (if anything) to cause this change. the tests I refer to in my earlier reply (later in the thread) were all done with tableMate on the iconbar. Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 12:38:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUPwG-0007NZ-E1-0007S0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:38:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUPwG-0007NZ-E1; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:29:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUPwG-0007NZ-E1; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:29:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUPw3-000575-Un; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:28:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBCSlW11175 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:28:47 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBCSkX11167 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:28:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AUPvx-000OQm-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:28:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:26:57 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Am I the only one to suffer this problem? No. You're having the same problem as others, the problem which was discussed here in some depth a couple of months ago. I've no doubt the problem is very frustrating. The trouble is that despite some useful reports we're no where near getting some sort of a handle on what is going wrong. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 12:48:31 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUQCq-00066P-Jm-00068N."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:48:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUQCq-00066P-Jm; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:46:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUQCq-00066P-Jm; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:46:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUQCQ-0001Ec-Fg; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:45:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBCjiP18761 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:45:44 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBCjgf18716 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:45:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=38979 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUQCM-0005Cq-EU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:45:42 +0100 Received: from cp65220-a.venra1.lb.home.nl ([213.51.39.200]:49268 helo=sol) by smtp3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUQCK-0003eC-P5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:45:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:44:24 +0100 From: "I.F.T. Busser" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Busser & Busser facility management User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > Actually there is one thing to get hold of - am I right that everyone > who has seen this problem has only done so in Draw file (Tablemate is > the same) output. > > In other words the fonts never go missing in OP's own text? > > If so that should help, the Draw file rendering handles fonts in its own > way. Possibly using different SWI's to the main OP. > Yes it was in my case. Ike -- I.F.T. Busser Busser & Busser f.m. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 12:58:31 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUQI5-0001oJ-JF-00022b."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:58:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUQI5-0001oJ-JF; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:51:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUQI5-0001oJ-JF; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:51:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUQ9g-0007jy-Qs; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:42:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBCglm17503 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:42:47 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBCgkI17498 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:42:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AUQ9V-000Dd1-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:42:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:41:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Actually there is one thing to get hold of - am I right that everyone who has seen this problem has only done so in Draw file (Tablemate is the same) output. In other words the fonts never go missing in OP's own text? If so that should help, the Draw file rendering handles fonts in its own way. Possibly using different SWI's to the main OP. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 13:18:36 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUQZA-0003Ej-7T-0003Na."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:18:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUQZA-0003Ej-7T; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:09:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUQZA-0003Ej-7T; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:09:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUQYv-0006ZI-54; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:09:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBD8w429484 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:08:58 GMT Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBD8wT29481 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:08:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (81-86-254-51.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.254.51]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34D81C00295 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:08:57 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:08:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: <4c5f23c0d6graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > Actually there is one thing to get hold of - am I right > that everyone who has seen this problem has only done so > in Draw file (Tablemate is the same) output. > In other words the fonts never go missing in OP's own > text? > If so that should help, the Draw file rendering handles > fonts in its own way. Possibly using different SWI's to > the main OP. I can confirm that text in OvPro itself has never gone missing. The docs that I try to print show all the text except that which comes from TableMate. Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 13:18:39 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUQaB-0002IC-JB-0002NO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:18:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUQaB-0002IC-JB; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:10:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUQaB-0002IC-JB; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:10:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUQZu-00045y-T5; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:10:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBDA0G29820 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:10:00 GMT Received: from smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.10]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBD9xb29815 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:09:59 GMT Received: from cluster3 ([172.23.146.48]) by smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:10:06 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster3 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:09:45 +0000 Received: from smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.15]) by cluster3 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:34:18 +0000 Received: from exim13.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.48]) by smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:59:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim13.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AULix-00025I-4Y; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:59:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AULiu-0006jI-Fd; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:59:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBB7wqw28498 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:58:52 GMT Received: from mxout2.netvision.net.il (mxout2.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBB7wpt28493 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:58:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.58.194]) by mxout2.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPQ007MG0U2HE@mxout2.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:58:50 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:58:50 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing In-reply-to: <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3FD823BA.5060605@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031028 References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: geoff.potter@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2003 07:59:12.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA4CE9B0:01C3BFBC] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Graham Jenkins wrote: > On 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > >>>From: Qercus editor > > >>On 10 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: >> >>>I have started having trouble printing TableMate tables >>>which are placed in frames in an OvPro document. > > >>>They used to print OK until recently, but have now >>>started printing blank tables. The table prints OK >>>directly from TableMate. I can't think that I have >>>changed anything relevent lately except install >>>EasyFontPro. > > >>>Can anyone suggest a remedy, please? > > > >>Take note of David's answer and also try saving the files >>from TableMate and straight into OvPro as Draw files >>(having carefully saved the original) and quit TableMate >>from the Icon Bar before printing. > > > > Thank you David for your reply and for forwarding John > Cartmell's reply. > > I am using an Iyonix with RiscOS 5.03, OvPro v.2.72, > Tablemate v.5.00a (I seem to remember that I replaced a > module to make this 32-bit compatible) and Printer v. 1.67. > > This setup used to work OK. I have recently installed > EasyFontPro v.5.11 and so far as I know !Fonts is also > running - could there be a clash between them? > > Regarding John's suggestion of using Draw: this is the work > around that I have been using. A Draw file in OvPro still > prints the blank table, but if I Convert To Path then > although it looks horrible on screen it prints out properly. > Doing this for every table in a document though is not very > convenient to say the least. > > Am I the only one to suffer this problem? No. You are not alone! However, I have found that the problem does not manifext itself immediately, but only after the system has been running for a while. Possibly some s/w loaded later is interfering, but I have not yet managed to find out what. I use SPrinter from David Pilling to test whether the problem exists yet, and if it does I do a quick reboot and try again. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 13:38:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUQXJ-0005Ha-6R-0003yk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:38:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUQXJ-0005Ha-6R; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:31:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUQXJ-0005Ha-6R; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:07:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUQW6-0003Hx-3j; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:06:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBD60V28062 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:06:00 GMT Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBD5xX28043 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:05:59 GMT Received: from cluster3 ([172.23.146.48]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:06:08 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster3 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:05:26 +0000 Received: from smtp-in2.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.13]) by cluster3 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:09:24 +0000 Received: from exim13.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.48]) by smtp-in2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:59:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim13.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUNb0-0002HP-P7; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:58:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUNaz-0006PA-2e; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:58:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBB9wgN30207 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:58:42 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBB9wf030196 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:58:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=41961 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUNai-0003rN-Mi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:58:40 +0100 Received: from cp65220-a.venra1.lb.home.nl ([213.51.39.200]:49186 helo=sol) by smtp4.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUNah-0004Tb-Jk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:58:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:57:21 +0100 From: "I.F.T. Busser" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: <7d38125f4c.BenBfm@feniks.demon.nl> References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> X-Organization: Busser & Busser facility management User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: geoff.potter@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2003 09:59:08.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B20D2E0:01C3BFCD] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c5f016286graham@gjenkins.me.uk> you wrote: > On 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >From: Qercus editor > > > On 10 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: > > > I have started having trouble printing TableMate tables > > > which are placed in frames in an OvPro document. > > > > They used to print OK until recently, but have now > > > started printing blank tables. The table prints OK > > > directly from TableMate. I can't think that I have > > > changed anything relevent lately except install > > > EasyFontPro. > > > > Can anyone suggest a remedy, please? > > > > Take note of David's answer and also try saving the files > > from TableMate and straight into OvPro as Draw files > > (having carefully saved the original) and quit TableMate > > from the Icon Bar before printing. > > > Thank you David for your reply and for forwarding John > Cartmell's reply. > > I am using an Iyonix with RiscOS 5.03, OvPro v.2.72, > Tablemate v.5.00a (I seem to remember that I replaced a > module to make this 32-bit compatible) and Printer v. 1.67. > > This setup used to work OK. I have recently installed > EasyFontPro v.5.11 and so far as I know !Fonts is also > running - could there be a clash between them? > > Regarding John's suggestion of using Draw: this is the work > around that I have been using. A Draw file in OvPro still > prints the blank table, but if I Convert To Path then > although it looks horrible on screen it prints out properly. > Doing this for every table in a document though is not very > convenient to say the least. > > Am I the only one to suffer this problem? > > Thanks for any more suggestions that may be offered. > > Cheers - > No I have told David about this problem too. But it disappeared when I remade the table from scratch again and then imported it. (I was using the table as a template for invoicing). I am using the same setup althought Tablemate is running under Aemulor. You might try if that works. Ike -- I.F.T. Busser Busser & Busser f.m. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 15:48:40 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUSnL-0004Vl-52-0000rx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:48:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUSnL-0004Vl-52; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:46:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUSnL-0004Vl-52; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:32:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUSn8-0007Bf-Iz; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:31:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBFVh625962 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:31:43 GMT Received: from mxout3.netvision.net.il (mxout3.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.24]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBFVe325950 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:31:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.37.160]) by mxout3.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPQ004S9LSRKK@mxout3.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:31:39 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:31:38 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3FD88DDA.4080000@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031028 References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > > Actually there is one thing to get hold of - am I right that everyone > who has seen this problem has only done so in Draw file (Tablemate is > the same) output. ... and only on the Iyonix. > In other words the fonts never go missing in OP's own text? Absolutely correct! > If so that should help, the Draw file rendering handles fonts in its own > way. Possibly using different SWI's to the main OP. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 18:18:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUVMn-0007S6-Cz-0007Tb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:18:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUVMn-0007S6-Cz; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:16:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUVMn-0007S6-Cz; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:16:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUVKR-000173-3X; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:14:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBIECH02539 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:14:12 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBIEBF02533 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:14:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AUVKE-0008sP-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:14:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:26:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: <4c5f3b5477john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5f23c0d6graham@gjenkins.me.uk> References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5f23c0d6graham@gjenkins.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: > On 11 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > Actually there is one thing to get hold of - am I right that everyone > > who has seen this problem has only done so in Draw file (Tablemate is > > the same) output. > > In other words the fonts never go missing in OP's own text? > > If so that should help, the Draw file rendering handles fonts in its > > own way. Possibly using different SWI's to the main OP. > I can confirm that text in OvPro itself has never gone missing. The docs > that I try to print show all the text except that which comes from > TableMate. Was there not a suggestion made for putting it right? Certainly I (now) never get this problem. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 18:48:49 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUVlE-00023t-MY-00060R."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:48:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUVlE-00023t-MY; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:44:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUVlE-00023t-MY; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:42:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUVkq-000527-5f; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:41:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBIfaW11874 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:41:36 GMT Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBIfXd11851 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:41:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix (81-86-242-206.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.242.206]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D67160002B4 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:41:33 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:41:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: <4c5f4233ffgraham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5f3b5477john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4c5eb7f86agraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <2MRl9YC5r11$EwaY@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5f23c0d6graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <4c5f3b5477john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Dec, John Cartmell wrote: > On 11 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: > > On 11 Dec, David Pilling > > wrote: > > > Actually there is one thing to get hold of - am I > > > right that everyone who has seen this problem has > > > only done so in Draw file (Tablemate is the same) > > > output. > > > In other words the fonts never go missing in OP's own > > > text? > > > If so that should help, the Draw file rendering > > > handles fonts in its own way. Possibly using > > > different SWI's to the main OP. > > I can confirm that text in OvPro itself has never gone > > missing. The docs that I try to print show all the text > > except that which comes from TableMate. > Was there not a suggestion made for putting it right? > Certainly I (now) never get this problem. If there was then that is what I'm asking for. It used to work before - what has changed? Cheers - -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 18:58:49 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUVzW-00054E-6M-00056O."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:58:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUVzW-00054E-6M; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:56:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUVzW-00054E-6M; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:56:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUVzE-0007kW-1K; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:56:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBIuPH19166 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:56:25 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBIuPQ19162 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:56:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.225.10.220] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AUVz5-0007ct-6H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:56:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:10:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro RISC OS new version 2.72 Message-ID: <4c5efd77cedfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <+ofnUTFBRQ1$EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5e40ca10dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c5e78929edfs@ukgateway.net> <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 10 Dec, Dave Symes wrote in message > <4c5ec66e50dfs@ukgateway.net>: > > Yes well, all very interesting... Probably. What do you do with StubsG > > once you've downloaded it? > Unless you're a programmer, nothing. As a user, you don't need it: you > just use the software (in this case O-Pro) that has been compiled with > it. > The point of compiling with StubsG is that it lets O-Pro work with both > the 26-bit and 32-bit Shared C Libraries. There's some debate as to > whether its use is actually a good thing or not. Thanks to all those who replied... As Arthur noted in a private email, ...someone wasn't paying attention at the back of the class. :-( Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 19:58:50 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUWoC-0001Oh-Iq-0001a5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:58:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUWoC-0001Oh-Iq; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:49:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUWoC-0001Oh-Iq; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:49:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUWo0-0006vs-2E; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:49:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBJmsh12132 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:48:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBJms412126 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:48:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AUWnt-000PoJ-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:48:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:36:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-ID: <4c5f4747e0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5f1bb0c8graham@gjenkins.me.uk> References: <4c5e11488cag@argonet.co.uk> <5040c95e4c.philip@philipnet.com> <200312101956.23045.mark@cyberporte.com> <4c5f1516eejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4c5f1bb0c8graham@gjenkins.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Dec, Graham Jenkins wrote: > Does this help at all? Yes. Don't mention Tablemate in your presentation of the problem. Get the Draw problem sorted and that *should* be the full answer. As David mentioned there was a problem with Draw not printing text through OvPro but it's so long ago I've forgotten what the answer was. Certainly it was solved so unless someone else here gives you the full solution soon I'll see what my archives have to offer. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 11 22:18:57 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUZ8N-00078i-CT-0007CH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:18:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUZ8N-00078i-CT; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:18:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUZ8N-00078i-CT; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:18:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUYyz-0000rs-PB; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:08:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBBM8Nv11497 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:08:23 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBBM8Nh11493 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:08:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AUYys-00068G-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:08:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:06:45 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing References: <4c5e11488cag@argonet.co.uk> <5040c95e4c.philip@philipnet.com> <200312101956.23045.mark@cyberporte.com> <4c5f1516eejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4c5f1bb0c8graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <4c5f4747e0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5f4747e0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >As David mentioned there was a problem with Draw not printing text through >OvPro but it's so long ago I've forgotten what the answer was. Certainly it >was solved so unless someone else here gives you the full solution soon People have found that if you 'jiggle around' the installation of RISC OS the problem goes away - perhaps temporarily. This of course is one of the things that makes sorting it out properly more difficult. So there has been no solution, although several people have had the problem and then seen it go away. The comments earlier today about the problem being only seen in Draw file rendering made me think... Although OP has its own Draw rendering code, it is based on Acorns original code, in other words most Draw rendering will work in similar ways, and this could explain why not just OP shows the problem. ISTR that within Draw file rendering there are three types of text; (1) a standard draw text object (2) a transformed draw text object (3) a text area Unfortunately it is not easy to distinguish between 1 and 2 at the user interface level. All the same it would be interesting to discover which of the 3 are affected by the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 12 18:36:42 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AUs2x-0004fX-IO-0004iz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:36:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AUs2x-0004fX-IO; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:29:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUs2x-0004fX-IO; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:29:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUs2k-0005ne-Uz; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:29:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBCITFw14058 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:29:15 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBCITFp14054 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:29:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([213.106.195.118]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031212182910.DGHN19387.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@iyonix> for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:29:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:28:21 GMT From: Roger Noble To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: <3fd7c45f4c.rgn@rgnoble.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Subject: [softwarelist] Artworks embedded JPEG printing X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi All, I am not sure whether this belongs on the Artworks mailing list or this one, but ... I have a document which contains an Artworks2 picture, which itself contains an embedded JPEG. When I print this document via postscript all is as I expect. But when it is printed via one of the PDumpers (e.g., !SPrinter), then the JPEG prints at about 4 times the size that it should be. This is more or less irrespective of its actual size or claimed dpi. If I print the picture from Artworks2 it is OK. If I export the picture as a draw file, drag it into OvationPro and print that it is OK. If I export the JPEG from the ArtWorks2 file, drag that into OvationPro and print that it prints OK. If I import the Artworks2 file into PhotoDesk it looks OK. AWViewer shows the file as looking correct. It is only wrong if I print it as an embedded Artworks picture from OP to a non-postscript printer. This is all with Printers 1.67 on an Iyonix. Has anyone else come across this one? Cheers, Roger -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 15 15:16:42 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AVrWu-0005s5-I7-0005uj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:16:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AVrWu-0005s5-I7; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:08:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AVrWu-0005s5-I7; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:08:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AVrWk-0005Wo-Mq; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:08:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBFC7dG14313 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:07:39 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBFC7bl14287 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:07:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AVrVg-0001vn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:07:36 +0100 Received: from [172.182.225.203] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AVrVg-0000j8-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:07:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:02:32 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks embedded JPEG printing Message-ID: <92062d614c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <3fd7c45f4c.rgn@rgnoble.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <3fd7c45f4c.rgn@rgnoble.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <3fd7c45f4c.rgn@rgnoble.ntlworld.com> Roger Noble wrote: > I am not sure whether this belongs on the Artworks mailing list or this > one, but ... > > I have a document which contains an Artworks2 picture, which itself > contains an embedded JPEG. When I print this document via postscript all > is as I expect. But when it is printed via one of the PDumpers (e.g., > !SPrinter), then the JPEG prints at about 4 times the size that it > should be. This is more or less irrespective of its actual size or > claimed dpi. > > If I print the picture from Artworks2 it is OK. > If I export the picture as a draw file, drag it into OvationPro and > print that it is OK. > If I export the JPEG from the ArtWorks2 file, drag that into OvationPro > and print that it prints OK. > If I import the Artworks2 file into PhotoDesk it looks OK. AWViewer > shows the file as looking correct. > > It is only wrong if I print it as an embedded Artworks picture from OP > to a non-postscript printer. This problem is caused by a known bug that has been fixed in JPEGObject in May, before the release of ArtWorks 2, so printing from ArtWorks 2 is correct (and from ArtWorks 1 with JPEGObject 1.12). Unfortunately, the bug fix has not yet found its way into AWRender (which is still at version 1.61, dated January 2003), so printing from other applications is still affected. With all the work of releasing AW2, the issue had somehow escaped from my mind. The bug's symptom's are that JPEGs that have been scaled down on the page are printed much too big. Incorporating the bug fix into AWRender is not a big deal as such but sorting out a full AWRender release is a lot of work, so I cannot promise any specific release date at the moment. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 15 15:16:51 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AVtbP-0004Ln-5o-0003Bx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:16:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AVtbP-0004Ln-5o; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:26:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AVtbP-0004Ln-5o; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AVtaw-0000dz-M9; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBFEKjs17907 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:20:45 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBFEKik17900 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:20:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix ([213.106.195.118]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031215142040.PNKH19387.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@iyonix> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:20:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:20:35 GMT From: Roger Noble To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Artworks embedded JPEG printing Message-ID: References: <3fd7c45f4c.rgn@rgnoble.ntlworld.com> <92062d614c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <92062d614c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13S) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Martin Wuerthner wrote: > The bug's symptom's are that JPEGs that have been scaled down on the page > are printed much too big. > > Incorporating the bug fix into AWRender is not a big deal as such but > sorting out a full AWRender release is a lot of work, so I cannot promise > any specific release date at the moment. Thanks for the information. It is not a big problem for me, I usually use postscript for this document which appears to be OK. I was printing it to the bubblejet for a quick look. Cheers, Roger -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 15 22:36:02 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AW1JQ-0004t0-7b-0004uE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:36:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AW1JQ-0004t0-7b; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:35:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AW1JQ-0004t0-7b; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:35:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AW1J3-0005Kp-Iz; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:35:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBFMYLD08778 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:34:21 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBFMYLh08775 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:34:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.24.141] (helo=62.188.24.141) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW1IA-0002n3-Ag for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:34:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(William Jackson) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:57:10 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.35 [test b] for RISC OS 4.37 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Blank Table Printing Message-Id: <2452989.1857107-williamj@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) FWIW I created a table in TableMate Designer II version 5.02a which I dragged to a frame in an O-Pro version 2.72 document and printed out with no problem on a Canon BJC4650 printer with an A4 printer driver using Printers+version 1.90b4. The computer is a RiscPC RISC OS 4.37 (Select 3i3). The table had no pictures if that is significant to the current debate. Regards William Jackson -- As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ williamj@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 17 16:03:57 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AWe52-0007ZV-Hu-0007dl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:03:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AWe52-0007ZV-Hu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:59:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AWe52-0007ZV-Hu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:59:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWe4q-0006Zd-59; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:59:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBHFwF608402 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:58:15 GMT Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBHFwEM08387 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:58:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBHFwAe05082 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:58:10 GMT To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Another name battle ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:52:47 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Could this be the start of another battle over product names? http://www.ociweb.com/product/ovation/ I hope not ;-) Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 17 18:54:07 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AWggO-0002KT-70-0000PF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:54:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AWggO-0002KT-70; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:50:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AWggO-0002KT-70; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:46:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWggH-0001vx-8r; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:45:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBHIjos13321 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:45:50 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBHIjo813315 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:45:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([62.253.144.43]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031217184542.SYZS19387.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:45:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:44:57 GMT From: Peter Wickham To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) My wife produces a magazine in pamphlet mode for a charity. It was originally done using Impression and sending a printed version to the printers for duplication (after addition by them of photos). It is now done using OP. We now send to the printer a pdf of the document for them to process and print. Our problem is that we need to send the resultant file as true greyscale and not cmyk. All is OK apart from some shaded backgrounds that are still coming out as cmyk. They (the printers) say we should choose black - black instead of composite black to overcome this in the pdf generation. We use RiScript to generate the pdf and as this is just a conversion of a postscript output, I assume that I should be able to do this from within OP. The question is, how do I ensure that all output is in true greyscale and not cmyk. System is:- RiscPC SA1100 running Select 4.37 OP v2.72 RiScript v4.15 Printers v1.62 -- Peter Wickham peter.wickham@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 17 19:44:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AWeHe-0003Su-4V-0001Qu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:44:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AWeHe-0003Su-4V; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:40:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AWeHe-0003Su-4V; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:12:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWeHX-0002ib-Q6; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:12:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBHGCB514929 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:12:11 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBHGCA914925 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:12:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AWeHS-000ELT-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:12:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:10:57 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Another name battle ? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Could this be the start of another battle over product names? >http://www.ociweb.com/product/ovation/ No. The use of the name 'ovation' for software (in the USA) has a long and tangled history. ISTR it won a prize for best vapourware one year. There was a legal challenge to Beebug some years back, the outcome of which was that they won the right to use the name for desktop publishing software. Some may recall that the Sleuth OCR program was once sold as "part of the Ovation suite" again something to do with trademark wrangling. Anyway I now own the UK trade mark on the name Ovation for desktop publishing software. So I am untouchable as long as I confine my activities to the UK. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 17 20:34:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AWi3d-000219-6d-0002tV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:34:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AWi3d-000219-6d; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:26:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AWi3d-000219-6d; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:14:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWi3S-00030l-Ec; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:13:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBHKDnf07724 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:13:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBHKDmK07719 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:13:49 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AWi3I-000KaD-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:13:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:12:23 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Our problem is that we need to send the resultant file as true greyscale and >not cmyk. All is OK apart from some shaded backgrounds that are still coming >out as cmyk. My worry would be that in some situations OP outputs its own PostScript - those cases are graduated fills, and CMYK sprites. Artworks graphics may be another case. PS printer drivers can usually be set to force grey scale output. CMYK sprites do give CMYK output. The fills on the other hand produce RGB. Questions are; Are you actually using the OP fill applet to produce the 'shaded backgrounds' that go wrong? Where is the CMYK coming from? Is it in the PS file, or is it being generated by RiScript? If the latter the question is what is it that triggers CMYK production? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 17 20:44:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AWiBH-0004xI-6a-0000yb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:44:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AWiBH-0004xI-6a; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:36:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AWiBH-0004xI-6a; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:22:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWiAl-0004ZH-Ap; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:21:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBHKLQj11189 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:21:26 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBHKLPT11161 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:21:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031217202121.GLNG14657.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:21:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:13:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Wed 17 Dec, Peter Wickham wrote: > My wife produces a magazine in pamphlet mode for a charity. It was > originally done using Impression and sending a printed version to the > printers for duplication (after addition by them of photos). It is now > done using OP. We now send to the printer a pdf of the document for them > to process and print. > > Our problem is that we need to send the resultant file as true greyscale > and not cmyk. All is OK apart from some shaded backgrounds that are still > coming out as cmyk. They (the printers) say we should choose black - black > instead of composite black to overcome this in the pdf generation. We use > RiScript to generate the pdf and as this is just a conversion of a > postscript output, I assume that I should be able to do this from within > OP. The question is, how do I ensure that all output is in true greyscale > and not cmyk. > There are 3 approaches worth investigating (listed in order of complication and change to existing documents and practices). Can the printer tell by looking at the file in whatever software he processes it with whether it is OK? If so testing shouldn't be expensive as he's not actually running anything out. If you are using a PS printer driver with colour capability switch it to black only (Printer Control - Configuration then un-tick the Colour option). Try printing just the black separation. (Print - Setup - Separations and just have Black ticked in the Plates drop-down.) Define a new colour - RealBlack - as a spot colour and use that throughout the document (text as well as background tints and any frame borders). If pictures are stored as other than greyscale sprites/tiffs/whatever you may also need to use the Picture - Process - Duotone option to force the Black in pictures to be RealBlack. I have just tested display of a colour jpeg - setting to duotone from Black to White makes it show on screen as greyscale (but as a jpeg is sent direct to the postscript output that may not actually work). Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 17 20:54:12 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AWiTh-0002V0-5v-0000h0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:54:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AWiTh-0002V0-5v; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:45:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AWiTh-0002V0-5v; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:41:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWiT1-0001mL-5O; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:40:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBHKeJt17467 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:40:19 GMT Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBHKeH017457 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:40:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from rpc.OFFICE (ip219-88-211-20.kc.net.nz [219.88.211.20]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id E71784012B7 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:35:09 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:36:29 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: <4c6263c038tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > (but as a jpeg is sent direct to the postscript output that may not > actually work). P1 driver then? Tim -- de-Sig. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 17 22:04:16 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AWjkD-0005cv-4K-0005jJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:04:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AWjkD-0005cv-4K; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:02:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AWjkD-0005cv-4K; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:02:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWjjt-0000sY-6T; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:01:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBHM1Ok13731 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:01:24 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBHM1OO13724 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:01:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWjjO-0000zM-RV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:01:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:05:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: <4c62666df8gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > If pictures are stored as other than greyscale > sprites/tiffs/whatever you may also need to use the Picture - Process > - Duotone option to force the Black in pictures to be RealBlack. I > have just tested display of a colour jpeg - setting to duotone from > Black to White makes it show on screen as greyscale (but as a jpeg is > sent direct to the postscript output that may not actually work). If a JPEG is processed in any way in OP, then it will be handled as if it was a sprite when out output to PS. This allows JPEGS to be set to use contone colours, or colour separated etc. But OP does have a small bug that can effect the use of JPEGS when printing to PS level 2. Once any processing has been applied to a JPEG, the effect of if being handled as a sprite in the printout cannot be removed - i.e the 'Default' button in the process window doesn't reverse the effects of the JPEG printing as a sprite. What should also be noted is that this sprite handling effect will still be present even if a new JPEG replaces the one in the frame. The only way to restore the frame to print the JPEG directly to the PS is to remove the picture from the frame, make the frame a text frame by typing some text, delete all the text, then drop the JPEG back into the frame. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 17 22:34:15 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AWkDm-0006Lk-GV-0006Ne."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:34:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AWkDm-0006Lk-GV; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:32:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AWkDm-0006Lk-GV; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:32:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWkDa-0005Ha-6G; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:32:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBHMW9l23570 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:32:09 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBHMW8H23564 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:32:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWkD9-0001gv-TF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:32:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:35:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: <4c6269200cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Our problem is that we need to send the resultant file as true > >greyscale and not cmyk. All is OK apart from some shaded > >backgrounds that are still coming out as cmyk. > My worry would be that in some situations OP outputs its own > PostScript - those cases are graduated fills, and CMYK sprites. > Artworks graphics may be another case. > PS printer drivers can usually be set to force grey scale output. > CMYK sprites do give CMYK output. The fills on the other hand produce > RGB. > Questions are; > Are you actually using the OP fill applet to produce the 'shaded > backgrounds' that go wrong? > Where is the CMYK coming from? Is it in the PS file, or is it being > generated by RiScript? If the latter the question is what is it that > triggers CMYK production? My guess is that the software the printers are using is either reporting it as CMYK, when it is really RGB, or (more probably) that the RGB data has been converted to CMYK when the PDF was loaded. Which could possibly be the reason why they are having problems with black, as it may be being separated across the cyan, magenta and yellow channels. Even though OP can output CMYK sprites as CMYK data in the PostScript, other things are still in RGB space, such as any colours defined in OP i.e. all text and frames etc. This then creates a PS/PDF file that contains both RGB and CMYK data. But how the individual applications, such as imposition software or RIPs etc. will treat this file with regard to colour correction and conversion is anyones guess. Now what we need is a way to create CMYK output from the RISC OS printer drivers... Hmmm... ;-) -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 17 22:44:17 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AWkLU-00062N-CX-00065b."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:44:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AWkLU-00062N-CX; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:40:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AWkLU-00062N-CX; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:40:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWkLO-0006SQ-LT; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:40:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBHMeED26243 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:40:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBHMeEh26239 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:40:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AWkKz-000EAE-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:40:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:38:55 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing from OP to greyscale References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> <4c6269200cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c6269200cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Even though OP can output CMYK sprites as CMYK data in the PostScript, >other things are still in RGB space, such as any colours defined in OP That was my idea - is using rgb space triggering cmyk output - in which case things like OP fill applet output may be to blame. In recent days I've been working on direct PS output for the Windows version of OP. One thing which it is easy enough to do, is support CMYK output in the PS of all CMYK colours. However something which it had never occurred to me to add, is greyscale PS output. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 18 13:48:15 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AWmgN-0007bD-8f-0007gI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:48:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AWmgN-0007bD-8f; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:10:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AWmgN-0007bD-8f; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:10:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWmg0-0000cS-PR; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:10:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBI19tL31475 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:09:55 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBI19sv31467 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:09:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWmfp-0006NG-KT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:09:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:46:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: <4c62751f9agav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> <4c6269200cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Even though OP can output CMYK sprites as CMYK data in the > >PostScript, other things are still in RGB space, such as any colours > >defined in OP > That was my idea - is using rgb space triggering cmyk output - in > which case things like OP fill applet output may be to blame. I suppose it could. Even if the PS is created with the Colour option off (in the printer config dialogue) the output still contains some RGB info, so it's possible that it could be interpreted as being an RGB document and therefore converted to CMYK. It would depend on how the software at the printers is dealing with the file - usually it's impossible to know without doing lots of tests with different files. > In recent days I've been working on direct PS output for the Windows > version of OP. One thing which it is easy enough to do, is support > CMYK output in the PS of all CMYK colours. > However something which it had never occurred to me to add, is > greyscale PS output. It could be useful for some situations, such as Peter's job, which started this thread. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 18 18:38:16 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AX2vU-0004D0-7d-0004QT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:38:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AX2vU-0004D0-7d; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:31:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AX2vU-0004D0-7d; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:31:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX2rw-0001jJ-RS; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:27:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBIIR9S29055 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:27:09 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBIIR8H29048 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:27:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.225.4.98] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AX2r2-0002kM-Mi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:26:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:24:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] DPlngscan Q Message-ID: <4c62db86d4dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David, Have you or anyone else produced a filter that'll allow DPlngscan to load Adobe Photoshop files? (.psd) Someone has sent me a few piccies in .psd which I'd like to view on this SARPC... otherwise I'll have to startup my XP-Box. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 18 19:58:20 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AX4Fq-0002cN-7x-0002eP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:58:20 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AX4Fq-0002cN-7x; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:56:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AX4Fq-0002cN-7x; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:56:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX4Fh-0004G2-Gi; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:56:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBIJttH26280 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:55:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBIJtsn26275 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:55:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AX4FW-0002ZL-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:55:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:54:52 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPlngscan Q References: <4c62db86d4dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c62db86d4dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Have you or anyone else produced a filter that'll allow DPlngscan to load >Adobe Photoshop files? (.psd) No. I've always been sort of interested, probably because Photodesk handles them. I think Compo may do as well - no idea if support has spilled into the author of Compo's pd image manipulation things. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 18 21:38:25 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AX5mh-0000yv-GY-000115."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:38:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AX5mh-0000yv-GY; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AX5mh-0000yv-GY; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX5mb-0007Dr-L3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBILY4B02788 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:04 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBILY4o02784 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([62.253.148.205]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031218213402.FBLU1005.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:33:20 GMT From: Peter Wickham To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: <86caec624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > There are 3 approaches worth investigating (listed in order of complication > and change to existing documents and practices). Can the printer tell by > looking at the file in whatever software he processes it with whether it is > OK? If so testing shouldn't be expensive as he's not actually running > anything out. > > If you are using a PS printer driver with colour capability switch it to > black only (Printer Control - Configuration then un-tick the Colour option). We switched off the colour on the printer driver. > > Try printing just the black separation. (Print - Setup - Separations and just > have Black ticked in the Plates drop-down.) Separations is greyed out, so cannot try this - cannot see at the moment why this is so. > > Define a new colour - RealBlack - as a spot colour and use that throughout > the document (text as well as background tints and any frame borders). If > pictures are stored as other than greyscale sprites/tiffs/whatever you may > also need to use the Picture - Process - Duotone option to force the Black in > pictures to be RealBlack. I have just tested display of a colour jpeg - > setting to duotone from Black to White makes it show on screen as greyscale > (but as a jpeg is sent direct to the postscript output that may not actually > work). Jpegs are fine as is the rest of the file apart from boxes with grey fills. -- Peter Wickham peter.wickham@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 18 21:38:26 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AX5nD-0002Wk-Cn-0002Yo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:38:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AX5nD-0002Wk-Cn; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AX5nD-0002Wk-Cn; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX5mb-0002Wu-Rb; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBILY2m02782 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:02 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBILY1d02767 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:01 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([62.253.148.205]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031218213400.FBJF1005.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:24:57 GMT From: Peter Wickham To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: <6206ec624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >Our problem is that we need to send the resultant file as true greyscale and > >not cmyk. All is OK apart from some shaded backgrounds that are still coming > >out as cmyk. > My worry would be that in some situations OP outputs its own PostScript > - those cases are graduated fills, and CMYK sprites. Artworks graphics > may be another case. > PS printer drivers can usually be set to force grey scale output. We turned off the colour option in the printer driver. > CMYK sprites do give CMYK output. The fills on the other hand produce > RGB. > Questions are; > Are you actually using the OP fill applet to produce the 'shaded > backgrounds' that go wrong? No. Used Object, Modify, Fill Colour, then Registration at 50%. Should we have used Black at 50% instead of Registration? Or should we have used the Fill applet? > Where is the CMYK coming from? Is it in the PS file, or is it being > generated by RiScript? If the latter the question is what is it that > triggers CMYK production? Don't know. Everything apart from the grey fills came out OK including the jpegs. -- Peter Wickham peter.wickham@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 18 21:48:27 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AX605-0003Bf-72-0003Hj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:48:27 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AX605-0003Bf-72; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:48:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AX605-0003Bf-72; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:48:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX5zz-0000tR-8J; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:47:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBILltw08593 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:47:55 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBILlsb08587 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:47:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.228.90] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AX5zs-0005UN-OZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:47:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:46:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPlngscan Q Message-ID: <4c62edf6b7dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4c62db86d4dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Have you or anyone else produced a filter that'll allow DPlngscan to > >load Adobe Photoshop files? (.psd) > No. I've always been sort of interested, probably because Photodesk > handles them. I think Compo may do as well - no idea if support has > spilled into the author of Compo's pd image manipulation things. If you are talking about "!Variation" no it doesn't and produces the same error message from CFSI. I do have Photodesk, but dislike the UI so much... But I suppose I could force myself to use it... Load the .psd files then immediately Save them out as Sprites without using anything else. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 18 21:58:28 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AX64v-0004bd-Hq-0004cw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:58:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AX64v-0004bd-Hq; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:53:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AX64v-0004bd-Hq; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:53:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX63G-00053N-Iy; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:51:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBILpKh10636 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:51:20 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBILpJs10630 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:51:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AX63D-0007IS-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:51:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:50:06 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> <6206ec624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <6206ec624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Are you actually using the OP fill applet to produce the 'shaded >> backgrounds' that go wrong? >No. Used Object, Modify, Fill Colour, then Registration at 50%. Should we >have used Black at 50% instead of Registration? Or should we have used the >Fill applet? Registration black is a colour that is guaranteed to appear on all plates at 100% strength typically for things like printers marks. So yes, use black at 50% instead of reg. black for document content. Alas I can't see that such simple filled areas are special enough to cause trouble. In your other reply you say separations are greyed - obvious idea colour supplement is not installed? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 19 16:52:15 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AXNlz-00026x-KQ-00028w."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:52:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AXNlz-00026x-KQ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:46:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXNlz-00026x-KQ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:46:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AXNlq-0008BC-El; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:46:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBJGkBX10837 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:46:11 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBJGkAO10812 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:46:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AXNlR-000GRs-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:46:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:46:10 GMT From: Malcolm Cowell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Comic Sans lookalike Message-ID: <1a5656634c.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello Can anyone direct me to a lookalike for Comic Sans with both upper and lower case? Thanks. -- Malcolm Cowell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 19 17:12:18 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AXO97-0002AB-J7-0002CI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:12:18 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AXO97-0002AB-J7; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:10:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXO97-0002AB-J7; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:10:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AXO95-0003al-Ks; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:10:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBJHAWs25153 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:10:32 GMT Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBJHAWW25149 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:10:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from uff411.ucs.de (212-62-82-103.teleos-web.de [212.62.82.103]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B6C44B3C61 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:10:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:11:52 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 19 Dec 2003 18:10:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:10:21 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Comic Sans lookalike Message-ID: <108d58634c.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <1a5656634c.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1a5656634c.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1a5656634c.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Hello > Can anyone direct me to a lookalike for Comic Sans with both upper and > lower case? > > Thanks. > Hello, Harry Decker's Fonts should have all You need and more: http://www.fonts.iconbar.com/Microsoft/ Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 19 17:42:17 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AXO4p-00053j-CX-0007lY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:42:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AXO4p-00053j-CX; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:42:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXO4p-00053j-CX; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:06:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AXO4a-0002qU-Dc; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:05:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBJH5q723522 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:05:52 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBJH5pl23513 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:05:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXO4T-0005dH-Hl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:05:49 +0000 Received: from 194.106.46.76 (WebMail authenticated user bd39) by email.argonet.co.uk with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:05:49 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <10121.194.106.46.76.1071853549.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:05:49 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Comic Sans lookalike From: "Andrew Conroy" To: In-Reply-To: <1a5656634c.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> References: <1a5656634c.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: WebMail (version 3.31 ß) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,MISSING_MIMEOLE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Malcolm Cowell said: > > Hello > Can anyone direct me to a lookalike for Comic Sans with both upper and > lower case? > > Thanks. Try Harry Decker's Font Emporium at http://www.fonts.iconbar.com/ specifically http://www.fonts.iconbar.com/Microsoft where there are literally thousands of fonts including copies of many of the more popular MS fonts. Andrew -- Andrew Conroy (Via WebMail) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 19 18:22:36 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AXP9F-0006Rz-MO-0006Un."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:22:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AXP9F-0006Rz-MO; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:14:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXP9F-0006Rz-MO; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:14:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AXP8m-0004Fo-AU; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:14:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBJIEEM22403 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:14:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBJIEDv22397 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:14:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AXP8e-0005QN-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:14:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:13:11 GMT From: Malcolm Cowell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Comic Sans lookalike Message-ID: References: <1a5656634c.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> <10121.194.106.46.76.1071853549.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <10121.194.106.46.76.1071853549.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Andrew Conroy wrote: > > Hello > > Can anyone direct me to a lookalike for Comic Sans with both upper and > > lower case? > Try Harry Decker's Font Emporium at http://www.fonts.iconbar.com/ > specifically http://www.fonts.iconbar.com/Microsoft where there are > literally thousands of fonts including copies of many of the more popular > MS fonts. Thanks to you and Martin and anyone else who has helped by the time I send this. What service! -- Malcolm Cowell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 19 20:32:28 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AXRE0-0000JX-98-0003bv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:32:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AXRE0-0000JX-98; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:30:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXRE0-0000JX-98; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:27:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AXRDl-0004xV-99; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:27:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBJKR7A02062 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:27:07 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBJKR6J02059 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:27:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([62.253.148.66]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031219202706.FXEC1005.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:27:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:26:26 GMT From: Peter Wickham To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> <6206ec624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > Alas I can't see that such simple filled areas are special enough to > cause trouble. Neither could I! > > In your other reply you say separations are greyed - obvious idea colour > supplement is not installed? > Yes. Applet is installed. What else could cause separations to be greyed out? -- Peter Wickham peter.wickham@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 19 22:32:34 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AXT9O-0001rR-H0-0003pp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:32:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AXT9O-0001rR-H0; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:32:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXT9O-0001rR-H0; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:31:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AXT93-00056x-Ke; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:30:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBJMUjD02007 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:30:45 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBJMUfT01987 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:30:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AXT8r-000Gy7-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:30:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:29:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> <6206ec624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Alas I can't see that such simple filled areas are special enough to >> cause trouble. >Neither could I! What I can't see from this range is how you can follow things through - presumably one should be able to see X in the PostScript and get Y in the PDF, and so see what is special about these filled areas. >Yes. Applet is installed. What else could cause separations to be greyed >out? Looking at the code, nothing. I'd be inclined to check for other signs of the colour supplement being present e.g. are their colour choices in OP choices (icon bar), does process and screen appear on the Picture-> menu when a picture is selected. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 20 16:47:02 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AXfaD-00015N-8Z-00017o."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:47:02 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AXfaD-00015N-8Z; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:47:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXfaD-00015N-8Z; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:47:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AXfZs-0005Mi-2j; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:47:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBKBl9s18388 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:47:09 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBKBl0E18333 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:47:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([62.253.148.192]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031220114659.YBGD1005.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:46:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:46:07 GMT From: Peter Wickham To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> <6206ec624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >> Alas I can't see that such simple filled areas are special enough to > >> cause trouble. > >Neither could I! > > What I can't see from this range is how you can follow things through - > presumably one should be able to see X in the PostScript and get Y in > the PDF, and so see what is special about these filled areas. Will try a few experiments with just these fills to see if we can understand this from the printers point of view. > > >Yes. Applet is installed. What else could cause separations to be greyed > >out? > > Looking at the code, nothing. I'd be inclined to check for other signs > of the colour supplement being present e.g. are their colour choices in > OP choices (icon bar), does process and screen appear on the Picture-> > menu when a picture is selected. Now we are getting somewhere. Although applet was in correct place, I did not have the Colour option in Icon choices or process and screen in the Picture menu. I have just tried deleting it and reinstalling from the downloaded archive. We now definitely have this functioning - separations is no longer greyed out and I have the options as above. Don't know why this should of been happening. It was definitely the latest version (26/32 bit neutral) as I checked the !Info file. Many thanks to all. If I can find out what is different with the fills, will let you know. Best regards, -- Peter Wickham peter.wickham@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 20 16:47:12 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AXiiv-0002rs-5g-0003SF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:47:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AXiiv-0002rs-5g; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:09:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXiiv-0002rs-5g; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:08:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AXiie-0004A8-Jh; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:08:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBKF8Xb01283 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:08:33 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBKF8Xx01279 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:08:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031220150833.FWVL2588.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:08:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:06:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sat 20 Dec, Peter Wickham wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > >> Alas I can't see that such simple filled areas are special enough to > > >> cause trouble. > > >Neither could I! > > > > What I can't see from this range is how you can follow things through - > > presumably one should be able to see X in the PostScript and get Y in > > the PDF, and so see what is special about these filled areas. > Will try a few experiments with just these fills to see if we can > understand this from the printers point of view. > > > > > >Yes. Applet is installed. What else could cause separations to be > > >greyed out? > > > > Looking at the code, nothing. I'd be inclined to check for other signs > > of the colour supplement being present e.g. are their colour choices in > > OP choices (icon bar), does process and screen appear on the Picture-> > > menu when a picture is selected. > > Now we are getting somewhere. Although applet was in correct place, I did > not have the Colour option in Icon choices or process and screen in the > Picture menu. I have just tried deleting it and reinstalling from the > downloaded archive. We now definitely have this functioning - separations > is no longer greyed out and I have the options as above. Don't know why > this should of been happening. It was definitely the latest version (26/32 > bit neutral) as I checked the !Info file. Did the applet have a - on the end of its name indicating it was inactive? Double click an active applet to make it inactive next time you load Opro, double click again to re-activate it. Changes in status this way only affect whether the applet is loaded with Opro or not, so these changes have no effect while OPro is loaded. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 20 17:16:34 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AXkfp-0003Ky-3j-0004O6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:16:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AXkfp-0003Ky-3j; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:14:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXkfp-0003Ky-3j; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:13:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AXkfh-0006y8-4A; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:13:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBKHDUH21530 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:13:30 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBKHDT821503 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:13:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld ([62.253.148.234]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031220171319.LPZQ29762.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld> for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:13:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:08:43 GMT From: Peter Wickham To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > > Did the applet have a - on the end of its name indicating it was inactive? > Double click an active applet to make it inactive next time you load Opro, > double click again to re-activate it. Changes in status this way only affect > whether the applet is loaded with Opro or not, so these changes have no > effect while OPro is loaded. Not that I remember! Will check and see if it happens again if that was so. I had forgotten that applets can be turned off (must be aged brain fade!). -- Peter Wickham peter.wickham@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 20 18:56:40 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AXmGu-0003gt-KU-0003i7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:56:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AXmGu-0003gt-KU; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:56:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXmGu-0003gt-KU; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:56:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AXmGn-0007o9-H3; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:56:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBKIu1830164 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:56:01 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBKItxa30121 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:55:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AXmGd-00068i-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:55:59 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.12] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AXmGd-0005tN-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:55:59 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:55:24 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: <3a01e6634c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <86caec624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <86caec624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <86caec624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> Peter Wickham wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > > > There are 3 approaches worth investigating (listed in order of complication > > and change to existing documents and practices). Can the printer tell by > > looking at the file in whatever software he processes it with whether it is > > OK? If so testing shouldn't be expensive as he's not actually running > > anything out. > > > > If you are using a PS printer driver with colour capability switch it to > > black only (Printer Control - Configuration then un-tick the Colour option). > > We switched off the colour on the printer driver. This does not necessarily guarantee black and white output. Switching "Colour" off in the PS printer driver is only a hint to the driver that it need not bother including full colour information since the final output is B&W only. This is very much different from an option to force colours to be converted to greyscales. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 20 18:56:41 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AXmH9-0003pv-Lg-0003qT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:56:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AXmH9-0003pv-Lg; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:56:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXmH9-0003pv-Lg; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:56:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AXmGn-0006yI-P8; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:56:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBKIu1S30162 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:56:01 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBKItxM30115 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:55:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AXmGc-000566-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:55:58 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.12] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AXmGc-0005tN-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:55:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:53:18 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing from OP to greyscale Message-ID: References: <678a59624c.peter@peter.wickham.ntlworld.com> <4c6263c038tim@dsign.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c6263c038tim@dsign.co.nz> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c6263c038tim@dsign.co.nz> Tim King wrote: > In article , > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > (but as a jpeg is sent direct to the postscript output that may not > > actually work). > > P1 driver then? No need - if you switch an image processing option on then the JPEG is rendered as a sprite anyway, so it cannot appear in the PS output as a JPEG, no matter whether you use Level 1 or 2. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 22 21:29:45 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYXSm-0005CQ-Ip-0005FK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:29:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYXSm-0005CQ-Ip; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:19:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYXSm-0005CQ-Ip; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:19:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYXSP-0000JD-PD; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:19:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBMLIvo32635 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:18:57 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBMLIu332630 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:18:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.142.79] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AYXRp-000E1d-3f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:18:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:19:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Win OvPro Message-ID: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Well really... I've just done over two and a half hours constructing and attempting to print a doc in Windows Ovation Pro that won't print. Basic doc page was constructed in RO OvPro then taken to the Win PC. We have a page with a Draw graphic and some texts converted to paths, the whole lot then Grouped as one object. In Win OvPro, I decided to draw a rectangle behind the (transparent) graphic frame and do a Radial Graduated fill for this frame. The finished page looked a treat and I attempted to print it on my Epson Stylus colour Photo printer. Trundle trundle, but no print, well no picture only a few text and numbers printed on the top of the page. So, to cut a load of experiments into a short version. If I delete the Graduated fill frame, then my page will print correctly. With the graduated fill it will not. Obviously I've worked around that problem by creating a suitable rectangle in Draw and doing a Grade fill, then putting the draw object in my doc. Ended up with the more or less the same appearance...But I want to know why the OvPro graduated fill will not print. Cheers Dave S PS: A graduated fill constructed in the RO version of OvPro then loaded in to the Win version won't print either. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 22 22:09:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYYC0-0002au-7l-0002ef."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:09:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYYC0-0002au-7l; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:06:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYYC0-0002au-7l; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:06:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYYBg-0006jN-Sg; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:06:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBMM60715854 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:06:00 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBMM5xp15834 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:05:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYYBb-0000He-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:05:59 +0000 Message-ID: <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:04:25 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Win OvPro References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >Trundle trundle, but no print, well no picture only a few text and numbers >printed on the top of the page. Text and numbers from your doc. or the sort of junk you get when the data sent to the printer gets disrupted? Oddly enough, last night I spotted a bug - OP has a flag that tells it if the printer is colour capable and changes the output. That flag is set on RISC OS, but the code has been removed in the Windows version. Result the Win version always assumes a black and white printer. This flag applies to just the fill and EPS applets. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 22 22:59:48 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYYyx-0006Kg-FQ-0006Nl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:59:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYYyx-0006Kg-FQ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:57:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYYyx-0006Kg-FQ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:56:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYYyY-0003sG-7P; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:56:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBMMuQs31731 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:56:26 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBMMuQ831726 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:56:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.219.56] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AYYxl-000Hhw-D1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:55:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:57:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >Trundle trundle, but no print, well no picture only a few text and > >numbers printed on the top of the page. > Text and numbers from your doc. or the sort of junk you get when the > data sent to the printer gets disrupted? > Oddly enough, last night I spotted a bug - OP has a flag that tells it > if the printer is colour capable and changes the output. That flag is > set on RISC OS, but the code has been removed in the Windows version. > Result the Win version always assumes a black and white printer. This > flag applies to just the fill and EPS applets. David, nothing from the doc was printed. The printer printed two lines then froze. It printed: [0.64 0 0 -0.64 19371 -5547] 869765 869765 All attempts at printing variously produced the above lines, but always the... [0.64 0 0 -0.64 nnnnn -nnnnn] 869765 869765 Where only the nnnnn numbers changes with each attempt. If you want, I can send you the specific fill to try yourself. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 22 23:19:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYZJs-0007Gp-KM-0007JP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:19:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYZJs-0007Gp-KM; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:18:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYZJs-0007Gp-KM; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:18:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYZJb-0007Ka-Tb; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:18:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBMNIEo04721 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:18:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBMNID304718 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:18:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYZJV-000JwU-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:18:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:17:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It printed: >[0.64 0 0 -0.64 19371 -5547] >869765 869765 Looks like PostScript. That is a problem - bits of PS code left hanging around. ISTR the EPS applet doing something similar once. Something you can do is print to file, and then look at the file, chunks of PS tend to stand out. I can't really try this. My current project is sorting out the PS printing. So I took an axe to all the stuff in your copy a few weeks ago. I will get things right now. You could delete Applets/Fill/Library/!PSCode.csc Problem is the above quote does not look much like what this produces. Sorry about this. Sort of surprising because I have often tested fill printing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 22 23:39:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYZUp-0000eU-BD-0000kh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:39:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYZUp-0000eU-BD; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:29:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYZUp-0000eU-BD; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:29:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYZUh-0000FO-84; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:29:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBMNTfH07762 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:29:41 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBMNTfO07758 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:29:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYZUa-0009II-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:29:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:28:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >You could delete >Applets/Fill/Library/!PSCode.csc I've just tried this, and it still goes wrong on my copy. A workaround would be to locate (in the above file) void fill_startevent(int user,int view) { string name; fill_prtype=(prinfo(name)>>16) & 0xFFFF; fill_prtype=1; } and add the line I've added fill_prtype=1; I'm not sure what has gone wrong here. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 23 13:58:29 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYfbT-0001ft-5d-0001hh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:58:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYfbT-0001ft-5d; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:01:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYfbT-0001ft-5d; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:01:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYfb7-0000rP-0G; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:00:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBN60Wp14402 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:00:32 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.48]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBN60V814399 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:00:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.225.114] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AYfaZ-000C1L-NE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:00:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 05:54:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <4c652a103edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >You could delete > >Applets/Fill/Library/!PSCode.csc > I've just tried this, and it still goes wrong on my copy. A workaround > would be to locate (in the above file) > void fill_startevent(int user,int view) > { > string name; > fill_prtype=(prinfo(name)>>16) & 0xFFFF; > fill_prtype=1; > } > and add the line I've added > fill_prtype=1; > I'm not sure what has gone wrong here. Thanks. I'll give that a go later when I have some time. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 23 13:58:48 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYk9w-0004pq-9y-0004uE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:58:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYk9w-0004pq-9y; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:53:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYk9w-0004pq-9y; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:53:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYk9d-00030l-BN; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:52:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBNAqEH06895 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:52:14 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBNAqD906889 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:52:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.227.190] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AYk8R-000HIW-Ks for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:51:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:52:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >It printed: > >[0.64 0 0 -0.64 19371 -5547] > >869765 869765 > Looks like PostScript. That is a problem - bits of PS code left hanging > around. ISTR the EPS applet doing something similar once. Something you > can do is print to file, and then look at the file, chunks of PS tend to > stand out. > I can't really try this. My current project is sorting out the PS > printing. So I took an axe to all the stuff in your copy a few weeks > ago. I will get things right now. > You could delete > Applets/Fill/Library/!PSCode.csc > Problem is the above quote does not look much like what this produces. > Sorry about this. Sort of surprising because I have often tested fill > printing. Yes when I did the above, upon attempting a Print, OvPro crashed out, died and vanished. > I've just tried this, and it still goes wrong on my copy. A workaround > would be to locate (in the above file) > void fill_startevent(int user,int view) > { > string name; > fill_prtype=(prinfo(name)>>16) & 0xFFFF; > fill_prtype=1; > } > and add the line I've added > fill_prtype=1; > I'm not sure what has gone wrong here. > David Pilling Done the above noted mod, but unfortunately doesn't make any difference. I've set up a new file for testing, mostly to save on ink and (now ordinary IJ) paper, and to see if any of them would print. It has four rectangular frames. 1) Contains a Hatch fill (Nothing fancy just the defaults). 2) Contains a Graduated linear fill, from 20% Red to 20% Yellow. 3) Contains a Graduated Radial fill, same colour and percentages. 4) Contains a blob fill. Added to that, a fifth which is a Drawfile graded Red to yellow in 256 steps. The Epson printing preferences, are set to auto present a preview window which has to be [Print]button pressed before it does the business. Step 1) When attempting to print the above noted file, the print preview window doesn't appear at all, the printer goes straight to printing the aforementioned numbers. Step 2) Remove all grad frames except one, attempt a reprint, no go. Step 3) Remove that grad and replace with one of the others no print... Do that with all four... No Print. Finally, to test that something still prints... Start with full doc remove all grad frames, leaving only the graded Drawfile. Attempt a print... Preview window arrives, and printing is done. ************************ Make the HP Laserjet the default printer. (Not colour). Start with the doc containing all the grads. Four part lines of numbers at the top of the page, followed by the Hatch fill that seems okay. The words "Graduated Linear" which I've written on top of the fill frame, so I know which is what has printed, followed by five part lines of numbers, but no actual fill. "Graduated Radial" text has printed, but no following lines of numbers and no actual fill. "Blob Fill" has printed correctly. Followed obviously by the correct printing of the Drawfile grade. *********************** Print to file: The Laserjet produces a textural file of some notable size. The Epson produces a small file, twelve very short lines. *********************** Final thought/check. Did a Graduated Linear fill in PagePlus-9 this printed okay. I have no more to add at present Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 23 14:08:08 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYn8i-0000C9-EY-0000F7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:08:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYn8i-0000C9-EY; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:04:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYn8i-0000C9-EY; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:04:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYn8R-0007hO-HH; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:03:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBNE3VR03463 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:03:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBNE3Vm03458 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:03:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYn8E-0008Ql-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:03:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:02:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Done the above noted mod, but unfortunately doesn't make any difference. Thanks for the testing. I'm sorry it's obviously broken, I'll get it fixed for the next version. One key to what is going on, is if the printer is PostScript or not. For a PS printer OP works in a different way. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 23 19:39:20 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYrrj-0005hu-PM-0004A2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:39:20 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYrrj-0005hu-PM; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:34:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYrrj-0005hu-PM; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:06:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYrrI-0003jo-QQ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:06:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBNJ5q224285 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:05:52 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBNJ5qA24282 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:05:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYrqp-000150-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:05:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:04:23 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've set up a new file for testing, mostly to save on ink and (now >ordinary IJ) paper, and to see if any of them would print. On RISC OS you could use SPrinter... I've no idea if there is a free equivalent for Windows. One simple way of testing printout is to print to file using a PostScript printer and then have GSView installed (part of GhostScript). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 23 22:58:34 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYvIJ-0003bE-4W-0004o2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:58:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYvIJ-0003bE-4W; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:54:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYvIJ-0003bE-4W; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:46:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYvHr-0001CA-VL; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:45:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBNMjgL10669 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:45:42 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBNMjfa10662 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:45:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYvHZ-0008KA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:45:41 +0100 Received: from [213.6.49.24] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYvHY-0008Iz-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:45:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:45:09 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >I've set up a new file for testing, mostly to save on ink and (now > >ordinary IJ) paper, and to see if any of them would print. > > On RISC OS you could use SPrinter... I've no idea if there is a free > equivalent for Windows. One simple way of testing printout is to print > to file using a PostScript printer and then have GSView installed (part > of GhostScript). I have downloaded and installed an "Imprint bitmap driver" - I cannot remember where from. It is similar to SPrinter for Windows. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 23 23:38:34 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYvyY-00049C-OA-0004mQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:38:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYvyY-00049C-OA; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:31:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYvyY-00049C-OA; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:30:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYvyO-0005wc-02; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:29:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBNNTlC20537 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:29:47 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBNNTkc20533 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:29:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYvyE-000G11-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:29:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:28:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have downloaded and installed an "Imprint bitmap driver" - I cannot >remember where from. It is similar to SPrinter for Windows. http://www.visolu.com/ says Also available is our ImPrint Bitmap Print Driver for Windows 95, 98, 2K and XP -- this product is no longer in active development and has only limited support. however I can't find a link on that site to it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 23 23:48:37 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYwG6-0004O5-CU-0004bR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:48:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYwG6-0004O5-CU; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:48:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYwG6-0004O5-CU; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:48:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYwG1-0007hs-1k; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:48:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBNNm3L24279 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:48:03 GMT Received: from technetium.cix.co.uk (technetium.cix.co.uk [194.153.0.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBNNm2X24276 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:48:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (from cix@localhost) by technetium.cix.co.uk (8.11.3/CIX/8.11.2) id hBNNm1u23240 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:48:02 GMT X-Envelope-From: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:47 +0000 (GMT) From:(E J Phillips) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Comic Sans lookalike To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Ameol-Version: 2.52.2000, Windows 98 4.10.2222 ( A ) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In-Reply-To: <10121.194.106.46.76.1071853549.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Do they have a Windows one like EFF's St. Mary or indeed do EFF do it for Windows? John Phillips. Cumbria in the North West -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 24 02:28:43 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYtuy-0000vp-7M-0005ZH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:28:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYtuy-0000vp-7M; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:21:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYtuy-0000vp-7M; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:18:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYtuo-0003ZJ-Ub; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:18:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBNLI1W25833 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:18:01 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBNLI0m25822 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:18:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.225.0.12] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AYtuh-000IVD-34 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:17:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:50:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <4c65769817dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Done the above noted mod, but unfortunately doesn't make any difference. > Thanks for the testing. I'm sorry it's obviously broken, I'll get it > fixed for the next version. > One key to what is going on, is if the printer is PostScript or not. For > a PS printer OP works in a different way. I don't think it's a PS printer. Epson Stylus Photo 915. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 24 02:48:43 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AYyw3-0007mR-BJ-00003U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:48:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AYyw3-0007mR-BJ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:39:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AYyw3-0007mR-BJ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:39:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYyvu-0005kN-7j; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:39:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBO2dSt21350 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:39:28 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBO2dRI21346 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:39:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYyvm-000DLy-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:39:26 +0000 Message-ID: <0G3Ff9DewP6$Ewj7@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:38:22 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c65769817dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c65769817dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I don't think it's a PS printer. >Epson Stylus Photo 915. Yes, I thought it probably was not PS, that makes the problems harder to explain. However in the past Epson did sell some of their colour ink jet printers with PS emulations. I think you would probably have noticed if it was one of them - from the price if nothing else. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 24 13:54:23 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AZ5mT-000470-6x-00049t."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:54:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AZ5mT-000470-6x; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AZ5mT-000470-6x; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AZ5mH-00018F-2a; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:58:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBO9vp325015 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:57:51 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.173]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBO9vpK25010 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:57:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AZ5m2-0007fq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:57:50 +0100 Received: from [172.184.138.128] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AZ5m0-0001Ai-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:57:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:57:00 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <8c0ec4654c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >I have downloaded and installed an "Imprint bitmap driver" - I cannot > >remember where from. It is similar to SPrinter for Windows. > > http://www.visolu.com/ > > says > > Also available is our ImPrint Bitmap Print Driver for Windows 95, 98, 2K > and XP -- this product is no longer in active development and has only > limited support. > > however I can't find a link on that site to it. OK, but there are others. There are various offers that only work for a limited time and there is one that only displays a nag screen if not registered but is otherwise fully functional: http://www.nedatacorp.com/imageprinter.asp I have not tried it, but from the description on the web page it looks exactly like what we are looking for. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 24 13:54:23 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AZ5o5-0000Uw-5m-0000XP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:54:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AZ5o5-0000Uw-5m; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:00:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AZ5o5-0000Uw-5m; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:59:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AZ5nu-0001Nd-8s; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:59:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBO9xin25349 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:59:44 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBO9xiA25343 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:59:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AZ5ns-0005Ou-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:59:44 +0100 Received: from [172.184.138.128] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AZ5np-0001Nz-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:59:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:58:53 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Comic Sans lookalike Message-ID: <873ac4654c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk (E J Phillips) wrote: > In-Reply-To: <10121.194.106.46.76.1071853549.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> > Do they have a Windows one like EFF's St. Mary or indeed do EFF do it for > Windows? A quick look at EFF's web page will show you that they offer their fonts in Acorn, Windows and Mac format. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 24 13:54:30 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AZ6oH-00015M-Fn-0005mA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:54:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AZ6oH-00015M-Fn; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:09:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AZ6oH-00015M-Fn; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:04:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AZ6o9-0005gv-68; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:04:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBOB3w209137 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:03:58 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBOB3vO09131 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:03:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=36945 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZ6o1-0006W0-Dm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:03:57 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55968 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZ6o0-0005uq-LU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:03:56 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c3c944$b4ef0bf0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> <8c0ec4654c.martin@mw-software.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:53:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:57 AM, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >>> I have downloaded and installed an "Imprint bitmap driver" - I >>> cannot remember where from. It is similar to SPrinter for Windows. >> >> http://www.visolu.com/ >> >> says >> >> Also available is our ImPrint Bitmap Print Driver for Windows 95, >> 98, 2K and XP -- this product is no longer in active development and >> has only limited support. >> >> however I can't find a link on that site to it. > > OK, but there are others. There are various offers that only work for > a limited time and there is one that only displays a nag screen if not > registered but is otherwise fully functional: > http://www.nedatacorp.com/imageprinter.asp > I have not tried it, but from the description on the web page it looks > exactly like what we are looking for. > Only useful for W95/98/ME Despite this info, I tried to install in W2000. Not accepted. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 27 13:52:11 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AaDgK-0007Wu-Ha-0007Y3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:52:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AaDgK-0007Wu-Ha; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:36:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AaDgK-0007Wu-Ha; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:36:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AaDfv-0005T4-HT; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:36:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBRCZQu11386 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:35:26 GMT Received: from technetium.cix.co.uk (technetium.cix.co.uk [194.153.0.53]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBRCZPw11383 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:35:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (from cix@localhost) by technetium.cix.co.uk (8.11.3/CIX/8.11.2) id hBRCZPl19289 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:35:25 GMT X-Envelope-From: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:35 +0000 (GMT) From:(E J Phillips) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Comic Sans lookalike To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Ameol-Version: 2.52.2000, Windows 98 4.10.2222 ( A ) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In-Reply-To: <873ac4654c.martin@mw-software.com> Ta very much John Phillips. Cumbria in the North West -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Dec 28 14:31:09 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AaZsz-0007TB-Ic-0007U2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:31:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AaZsz-0007TB-Ic; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:19:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AaZsz-0007TB-Ic; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:19:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AaZsU-0007xC-Ri; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:18:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBSCINR06679 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:18:23 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.29]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBSCINK06675 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:18:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from du-008-0076.freeuk.com ([195.8.75.76] helo=localhost.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AaZsE-00084z-9s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:18:22 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:17:45 GMT From: Trevor Holden To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Cc: trevholden@freeuk.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Automatic space key expansion Message-ID: <3049e0674c.trevholden@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM_2,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) My first time use of this resource, so apologies if mistakes made. I use a combination of 'Impact' database plus Ovation Pro to produce my pupils' annual school reports. This can be involve up to 100 reports for any one Year Group, thus over 200 reports in any one academic year! In the Impact database I enter a series of codes (for example "1axxx, 2exxx, 3hxxx, etc" which I then mailmerge into Ovation Pro. In Ovation Pro I then use the !Abbrev applet to expand the codes into phrases/sentences. For example, "1axxx" expands into some thing like "has made very pleasing progress this year . . .". In any one pupil's report there can be up to 10 mail-merged codes that I then need to expand. I would like to automate this expansion process. When I have tried to use "F4" Search and Replace to try to emulate pressing the space bar at the end of each occurrence of "xxx", i.e Search for "xxx" and Replace with [space], this simply inserts a space but does not expand the abbreviation. So, 1axxx simply becomes 1a[space]. I have tried using the control code <032> instead of [space], but to the same effect, no expansion. Any suggestion please as to how this tedious manual expansion task could be automated would be very much appreciated. Trevor Holden -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Dec 28 14:40:19 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aac4I-00014M-6X-00019U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:40:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aac4I-00014M-6X; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:39:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aac4I-00014M-6X; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:38:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Aac43-0004QS-71; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:38:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBSEcPx07950 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:38:25 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBSEcP207943 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:38:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aac3k-000LFe-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:38:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:37:16 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Automatic space key expansion References: <3049e0674c.trevholden@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <3049e0674c.trevholden@freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Any suggestion please as to how this tedious manual expansion task could >be automated would be very much appreciated. You could use scripted search and replace - see the fluff applet. Or mail merge lets you step through records, and then there is a 'fix' option which produces a document with the mail merge done, and editable. Why do you need to go beyond the original mail merge solution? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Dec 28 20:10:35 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aah7j-0007MA-EA-0007Nb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:10:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aah7j-0007MA-EA; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:02:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aah7j-0007MA-EA; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:02:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Aah7M-0002Yj-CA; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:02:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBSK2H311314 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:02:17 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBSK2GD11308 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:02:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106] helo=localhost.com) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aah79-000MSl-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:02:16 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:04:14 GMT From: John Bodiam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Automatic space key expansion Message-ID: <48fe0a684c.John@bigbo.demon.co.uk> References: <3049e0674c.trevholden@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <3049e0674c.trevholden@freeuk.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_FAKE_HELO_DOTCOM_2,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Snip > When I have tried to use "F4" Search and Replace to try to emulate > pressing the space bar at the end of each occurrence of "xxx", i.e > Search for "xxx" and Replace with [space], this simply inserts a space > but does not expand the abbreviation. So, 1axxx simply becomes > 1a[space]. I have tried using the control code <032> instead of [space], > but to the same effect, no expansion. > > Any suggestion please as to how this tedious manual expansion task could > be automated would be very much appreciated. I suggest that you use the Fluff Applet, suitably edited (tedious, but just once). John -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Dec 28 22:30:41 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AajKG-0003FB-7C-0003GW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:30:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AajKG-0003FB-7C; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:23:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AajKG-0003FB-7C; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:23:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AajJI-0004Vd-65; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:22:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBSMMir20134 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:22:44 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBSMMhU20098 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:22:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031228222232.EWAH19387.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:22:32 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:12:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Automatic space key expansion To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <3049e0674c.trevholden@freeuk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sun 28 Dec, Trevor Holden wrote: > My first time use of this resource, so apologies if mistakes made. > > I use a combination of 'Impact' database plus Ovation Pro to produce my > pupils' annual school reports. This can be involve up to 100 reports for > any one Year Group, thus over 200 reports in any one academic year! > > In the Impact database I enter a series of codes (for example "1axxx, > 2exxx, 3hxxx, etc" which I then mailmerge into Ovation Pro. In Ovation > Pro I then use the !Abbrev applet to expand the codes into > phrases/sentences. For example, "1axxx" expands into some thing like > "has made very pleasing progress this year . . .". In any one pupil's > report there can be up to 10 mail-merged codes that I then need to > expand. I would like to automate this expansion process. Having seen David Pilling's and John Bodiam's repsonses I'm stepping back in the process. Can your impact database provide the link between the code and the phrase so that you merge the actual phrases instead of the codes? > When I have tried to use "F4" Search and Replace to try to emulate > pressing the space bar at the end of each occurrence of "xxx", i.e > Search for "xxx" and Replace with [space], this simply inserts a space > but does not expand the abbreviation. So, 1axxx simply becomes > 1a[space]. I have tried using the control code <032> instead of [space], > but to the same effect, no expansion. Are you wanting Search for "xxx" and replace with "xxx "? In which case Search for "xxx" and replace with "\& " with wildcards selected (\& is the found text and very useful for adding before and/or after the search string). > Any suggestion please as to how this tedious manual expansion task could > be automated would be very much appreciated. I think you may find, as John suggested, modifying *a copy* of the Fluff applet (and renaming it somehow) is the most satisfactoy if this stage must be completed within Opro. This applet allows you to set up a series of search and replace operations and runn them all in order from one selection on the Applets menu. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Dec 28 23:20:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aak5P-0001cC-59-0001f7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:20:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aak5P-0001cC-59; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:12:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aak5P-0001cC-59; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:12:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Aak4u-0001Vx-Sd; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:12:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBSNC2800415 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:12:02 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBSNC2l00409 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:12:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Aak4n-000Leo-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:12:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:10:44 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Automatic space key expansion References: <3049e0674c.trevholden@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Can your impact database provide the link between the code and the phrase so >that you merge the actual phrases instead of the codes? Oh good grief, I get it now. So after mail merge we have a document with codes in... I'd suggest using the mail merge fields facility, I'm a bit hazy about the details, but the result should be that after the merge you have a document with the phrases in. The examples in the OP manual show how to use fields to modify the data coming in via mail merge from a database. (what follows only starts to make sense if you're familiar with this section of the manual). I'd guess this is a superior method because you only have the mail merge step. If you get things set up with scripted editing you're always going to have to run the script by hand. Thinking... you're going to have OP field definitions a bit like if(field(1)=="xxxx1") macv="Good" elseif(field(1)=="xxxx2") macv="Not bad" The max length of a field definition in OP is probably 256 chars. So you might end up defining the text somewhere else. There may even be a nifty solution where you define a series of constant macros; xxxx1 Good xxxx2 Not bad and then have a very simple field definition that just macro expands the data coming from the database. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Dec 29 01:20:55 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Aam3A-0005Oe-JI-0005Q7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:20:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Aam3A-0005Oe-JI; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:18:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Aam3A-0005Oe-JI; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:18:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Aam2m-0006GY-PW; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:18:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBT1HsY22554 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:17:54 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBT1Hr122550 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:17:53 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.25.139] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE788837026E; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:08:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:19:18 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Automatic expansion Message-ID: References: <3049e0674c.trevholden@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <3049e0674c.trevholden@freeuk.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id hBT1Hr122552 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Trevor - I have a different database (Datapower 1), but if it's of any use to you, here's how I would crack your problem: I would plan to print directly from my database onto the report forms, OR indeed onto blank paper, and (if necessary) guillotine to required size. Therefore in Datapower, I would set up a blank report with all the required headings in exactly the right places, in their correct fonts, etc. Datapower has enough DTP features to mimic closely whatever the school wants. It's time-consuming but fun, and you only do it once. I would then feed into the database a tab-separated file with the list of names etc. - whatever would reduce the typing of individual reports. I would type in the unavoidable bits and pieces such as figures for 'class position', 'exam %age' or whatever (but maybe these can go in automatically with the names?) I would type just the first word of the body of each report (typically the pupil's first name, so probably that could also have gone in automatically). Next, I would export a tab-separated file of all that, drop it into Ovation, and THERE type the body of each report, where all the abbreviation expansions would work. Next (this takes courage) I would 'delete all files' from the database. Finally, from Ovation, I would 'Save story', drop that back into Datapower, and print. Job done. Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 6 16:37:10 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AbGsi-0003ym-B8-00040d."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:37:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AbGsi-0003ym-B8; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:13:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AbGsi-0003ym-B8; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:13:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AbGsK-0007aA-SD; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:13:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBUACvX06013 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:12:57 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBUACuD06010 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:12:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AbGrw-0000wT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:12:56 +0100 Received: from [172.176.10.154] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AbGrv-00055W-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:12:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 02:18:13 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <7293ab684c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> <8c0ec4654c.martin@mw-software.com> <001201c3c944$b4ef0bf0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <001201c3c944$b4ef0bf0$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <001201c3c944$b4ef0bf0$6502a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > On Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:57 AM, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > OK, but there are others. There are various offers that only work for > > a limited time and there is one that only displays a nag screen if not > > registered but is otherwise fully functional: > > http://www.nedatacorp.com/imageprinter.asp > > I have not tried it, but from the description on the web page it looks > > exactly like what we are looking for. > > > > Only useful for W95/98/ME > > Despite this info, I tried to install in W2000. Not accepted. Have you seen the link to the NT4/W2000/XP version on the same page? :-) Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 6 16:37:21 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AbIkQ-0002DS-Dx-0002FD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:37:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AbIkQ-0002DS-Dx; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:13:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AbIkQ-0002DS-Dx; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:13:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AbIjq-00013j-9w; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:12:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBUCCau03493 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:12:36 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hBUCCYt03470 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:12:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=42589 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbIji-0002bY-AA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:12:34 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55656 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AbIjg-0000Gd-Ig for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:12:32 +0100 Message-ID: <001301c3ce05$4ace7ab0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c65454336dfs@ukgateway.net> <8c0ec4654c.martin@mw-software.com> <001201c3c944$b4ef0bf0$6502a8c0@padua> <7293ab684c.martin@mw-software.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:14:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:18 AM, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <001201c3c944$b4ef0bf0$6502a8c0@padua> > "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > >> On Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:57 AM, >> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >>> OK, but there are others. There are various offers that only work >>> for a limited time and there is one that only displays a nag screen >>> if not registered but is otherwise fully functional: >>> http://www.nedatacorp.com/imageprinter.asp >>> I have not tried it, but from the description on the web page it >>> looks exactly like what we are looking for. >>> >> >> Only useful for W95/98/ME >> >> Despite this info, I tried to install in W2000. Not accepted. This was about the first link, that you gave ... > Have you seen the link to the NT4/W2000/XP version on the same page? > :-) Obviously, I didn't :-) Now I have. Downloaded and installed in W2000. Works very nice. Thanks. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 6 16:41:36 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Acesv-00074W-8d-000764."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:41:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Acesv-00074W-8d; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:03:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Acesv-00074W-8d; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:03:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AcesD-0004nL-Bs; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:02:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i0362Ok17015 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:02:24 GMT Received: from tmailb2.svr.pol.co.uk (tmailb2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.168.142]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0362NH17010 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:02:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from user-3508.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk ([81.79.237.180] helo=localhost) by tmailb2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Acere-0005oZ-SN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:02:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:02:14 +0000 From: Dave X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Personal Organization: Riot/Clone X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <10909201.20040103060214@riotclone.org> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Win OvPro In-Reply-To: <4c652a103edfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c652a103edfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Just a few observations on the Windows version. Not saying that the way you've done things is necessarily wrong in some of these cases, but what happens isn't what I would expect. 1. On loading, the floating info bar on the bottom is too high, not taking into account the Windows scroll bar. When the window is resized and the scroll bar disappears, the info bar is then too low and not flush with the bottom of the window. Similarly with the left hand button bar, it overlaps the edge of the window slightly. 2. "Find", only works from the cursor position (assuming no selected areas). I would expect options for "Search from cursor" and "Search whole document". 3. Once a search is completed, there is no option to conduct a new search without closing the "Find" window and reactivating the function. 4. When the "Find" window is closed, the cursor returns to its original position, but is not activated so a mouse click is necessary before anything else can be done. 5. Find previous only has a single entry memory (if I haven't missed an option somewhere). It would be nice if this was configurable, and all the 'previous' searches appeared on a drop-down menu. 6. Might be me, but the use of "Find" rather than "Search" really jars where I'm so used to "Search" being used in most pieces of software. 7. Yes, I have been using "Find" quite a bit. :-) Would it be possible to modify the Fluff applet, so that one could write multiple Fluff scripts and its menu entry led to a sub-menu showing all the "Fluff" files that were in the appropriate directory? I'm sure I'm not the only person who has a few different combinations of things to regularly do with certain batches of files, but really can't be bothered to delve into the directory structure and rename files to make Fluff do what is needed today, then go back and rename once finished. 8. The cursor does not follow Page Down. For instance, pressing Page Down 2 or 3 times then the down cursor key will make the document leap back to where you started, the cursor dutifully one line lower than it was before. The first couple of times I did something like this it made no sense. Now I've worked out what's happening, it is merely frustrating. 9. Finally, the mouse cursor seems to be slightly off. If I position it between 2 letters in a document and click, then there appears to be a 50% chance that the cursor will be placed one character back from where I intended. To be certain that the cursor will appear where it is wanted, I have found it easier to click on the letter in front then the cursor will always be placed before that character. Cheers Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 6 16:45:15 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Adpjx-0007gb-EM-0007jK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:45:15 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Adpjx-0007gb-EM; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:51:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Adpjx-0007gb-EM; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:51:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Adpjl-0002QQ-Ac; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:51:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i06BoAo23421 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:50:10 GMT Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i06Bo9E23364 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:50:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i06Bo6e22073 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:50:06 GMT In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:51:13 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > On RISC OS you could use SPrinter... I've no idea if there is a free > > equivalent for Windows. To add to the ones already mentioned. I use FinePrint ( http://www.fineprint.com ). It isn't free, but there is a demo version available that adds a "Printed by fineprint" message. Along with giving you a preview it also lets you generate booklets, delete pages and things. Also a lot of printer drivers let you turn on a preview. This pops up a window of what is about to be printed and gives you the option to cancel the print. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 6 18:45:45 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Adw5E-0004mi-BM-0004oM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:45:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Adw5E-0004mi-BM; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:37:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Adw5E-0004mi-BM; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:37:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Adw57-0007aI-Al; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:37:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i06Ib4V08917 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:37:04 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i06Ib4P08912 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:37:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Adw4d-000InK-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:37:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:35:34 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Win OvPro References: <4c64fada16dfs@ukgateway.net> <4P5W9qCpp25$EwKw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c6503d54fdfs@ukgateway.net> <4c652a103edfs@ukgateway.net> <10909201.20040103060214@riotclone.org> In-Reply-To: <10909201.20040103060214@riotclone.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Just a few observations on the Windows version. Most of what you say applies to the RISC OS version too - so are these things where Win should be different or things that you think are wrong on any platform? >1. On loading, the floating info bar on the bottom is too high, not >taking into account the Windows scroll bar. I think you can change these (as on RISC OS), change, save default doc. something like that. >2. "Find", only works from the cursor position (assuming no selected >areas). I would expect options for "Search from cursor" and "Search >whole document". There are - 'All stories', 'Find from start' >3. Once a search is completed, there is no option to conduct a new >search without closing the "Find" window and reactivating the >function. If you keep on clicking the search function will go around again. The rest is usual RISC OS behaviour. >4. When the "Find" window is closed, the cursor returns to its >original position, but is not activated so a mouse click is necessary >before anything else can be done. Not for me. >5. Find previous only has a single entry memory (if I haven't missed >an option somewhere). It would be nice if this was configurable, and >all the 'previous' searches appeared on a drop-down menu. F2 for previous (RISC OS standard) >6. Might be me, but the use of "Find" rather than "Search" really jars >where I'm so used to "Search" being used in most pieces of software. I have pieces of Win software that use the term 'Find'. Most of them in fact. >Would it be possible to modify the Fluff applet, so that one could >write multiple Fluff scripts and its menu entry led to a sub-menu >showing all the "Fluff" files that were in the appropriate directory? Yes. >8. The cursor does not follow Page Down. For instance, pressing Page >Down 2 or 3 times then the down cursor key will make the document leap >back to where you started, the cursor dutifully one line lower than it Intentional. >9. Finally, the mouse cursor seems to be slightly off. If I position >it between 2 letters in a document and click, then there appears to be a 50% This sort of thing has not been quite right in the Windows version. Perhaps this situation needs fixing too. Above I've said for a few things, "it works this way because this is how RISC OS works". In the long run that is not a good answer, and things will change, where the Win way is better. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 6 20:55:48 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AdyCH-0002Fx-BK-0002Hu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:55:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AdyCH-0002Fx-BK; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 20:53:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AdyCH-0002Fx-BK; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 20:53:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AdyCC-0006Uz-PM; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 20:53:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i06KqZK19384 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:52:35 GMT Received: from rolf.uib.no (rolf.uib.no [129.177.30.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i06KqYR19377 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:52:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by rolf.uib.no for softwarelist@davidpilling.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AdyBi-0003HQ-Gr; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:52:30 +0100 Received: from oppringt-246.ppp.uib.no (morol.uib.no) [129.177.138.246] by smtp.uib.no for softwarelist@davidpilling.net with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AdyBh-000250-00; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:52:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:55:35 GMT From: ola lind To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] ArcFax- ISDN modem driver Message-ID: <1fb6b76c4c.ola@morol.uib.no> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.37) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-checked-clean: by exiscan on rolf X-Scanner: af7a11c5b3968e4119ca669d5b4240d9 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -39.0 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * -30.0 -- From is listed in 'whitelist_from' * -9.0 -- Message received from UIB Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi! About a year ago I purchased an Eicon Diva 850 ISDN terminal adaptor. It functions OK with the Ant internet suite once i found out that the initialisation string should be AT&F0L2M1E1V1Q0W1&B2. It has USB and serial connection som both RiscPC and laptop can be sonnected at the same time. But - Can I use it with ArcFax? And which modem driver should I try? Best wishes, Ola. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Jan 6 21:56:06 2004 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Adz4e-0006S4-3v-0006VN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:56:06 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Adz4e-0006S4-3v; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:49:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Adz4e-0006S4-3v; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:49:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Adz4Y-0005hU-3l; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:49:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i06LmiB09718 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:48:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i06Lmi409713 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:48:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Adz47-000DLU-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:48:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:47:42 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax- ISDN modem driver References: <1fb6b76c4c.ola@morol.uib.no> In-Reply-To: <1fb6b76c4c.ola@morol.uib.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > About a year ago I purchased an Eicon Diva 850 ISDN terminal adaptor. > But - Can I use it with ArcFax? And which modem driver should I try? It depends. Some ISDN TA's suppport a fax modem emulation. So if yours supports fax Class 2 you'd use the Class 2 modem driver. How to find out? Talk to the modem. In a terminal program type AT+FCLASS=? and see what it says. The old question is if you can use ArcFax to send Group 4 ISDN faxes, the answer to that is no. All you can do is hope the TA has an analogue modem emulation. You'd get the same result by keeping your old analogue modem connected to the phone line - assuming you have a spare serial port or serial switch. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net