From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 1 13:42:22 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFvH6-0002ic-69-0002kg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:42:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFvH6-0002ic-69; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:54:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFvH6-0002ic-69; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:54:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFvGw-0007Ef-A0; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:54:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA1CsGs25012 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:54:16 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A0EC.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.160.236]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA1CsCN24973 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:54:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.100] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AFvGc-0008HH-02 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:54:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:53:52 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Announcement: 32-bit Font Directory Professional available Message-ID: <4c4a88f18esbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) FONT DIRECTORY PROFESSIONAL "If there were Oscars for software, this one would sweep the board" - Acorn Publisher "...the gold standard by which all font managers must be judged" - Risc User After much arm twisting, and support from the RISC OS community, LOOKsystems is pleased to announce the availability of the "Download Edition" of our highly acclaimed font management software (a kind of advanced !Fonts folder). The software works on all RISC OS computers from OS 3.10 onwards (thought we don't guarantee that it works on emulators). Adrian Look, of LOOKsystems, granted me access to the source code to make the software 26/32 bit neutral - so it's now working with XScale processors as well as StrongARMs, etc. New icon sets have been created by Richard Hallas (designer of the RISC OS 5 icons), so Font Directory should look at home on RISC OS 4 and 5 desktops. There is also a shiny new website, where you can purchase the software, download the latest releases, browse the wealth of on-line documentation, and ask for technical support: http://riscos.looksystems.org.uk/ The cost of Font Directory Professional has been dramatically reduced to £15 (the original RRP was £65). Upgrades for existing users cost just £10. For more information check out the FAQ, Information Sheets, and on-line User Documentation: http://riscos.looksystems.org.uk/wiki/FontDirectoryFaq http://riscos.looksystems.org.uk/wiki/FontDirectoryDocumentation http://riscos.looksystems.org.uk/wiki/FontDirectoryReviews On behalf of Adrian Look, Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 1 14:31:57 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFwjV-0000LL-F8-0000My."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:31:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFwjV-0000LL-F8; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:28:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFwjV-0000LL-F8; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:28:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFwjG-0000lk-23; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:27:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA1ERXB25733 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:27:33 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A0EC.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.160.236]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA1EROt25658 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:27:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.100] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AFwip-0008SE-00 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:27:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:27:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] 32-bit version of TransRTF available? Message-ID: <4c4a9184a2sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi! I need to import quite a few RTF files into OvationPro. Is there some import functionality available for RISC OS 5? The TransRTF loader doesn'T work as the !Convert absolute file is not 32-bit clean. Any ideas? -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 1 16:22:03 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFyUf-0006Fl-3I-0006Hb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:22:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFyUf-0006Fl-3I; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:20:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFyUf-0006Fl-3I; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:20:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFyUS-0004C6-1f; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:20:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA1GK3v00329 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:20:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA1GJrQ32720 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:19:53 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AFyTf-000BJ7-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:19:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:18:22 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 32-bit version of TransRTF available? References: <4c4a9184a2sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c4a9184a2sbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I need to import quite a few RTF files into OvationPro. Is there some >import functionality available for RISC OS 5? The TransRTF loader >doesn'T work as the !Convert absolute file is not 32-bit clean. No tough luck. The RTF loader was written for Beebug by Rob Clark, he vanished without trace taking the source code. I tried really hard to contact him. I did have a half hearted attempt at converting the object code, but gave up. I'm almost certain to write a new RTF loader for the Windows version (I've researched this and know about the resources now available which will make it easier). So my position is to wait. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 1 16:32:04 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFyd1-0004BR-Eh-0004EU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:32:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFyd1-0004BR-Eh; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:29:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFyd1-0004BR-Eh; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:29:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFycl-0002eu-UD; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:29:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA1GSFK03334 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:28:15 GMT Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A0EC.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.160.236]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA1GRx503181 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:28:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.100] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AFybV-0000G6-01 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 17:27:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 17:27:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: 32-bit version of TransRTF available? Message-ID: <4c4a9c89edsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4c4a9184a2sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > I'm almost certain to write a new RTF loader for the Windows version Will this become available for the RISC OS version as well? -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 1 17:12:05 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AFzDq-0000Ar-DO-0000CW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:12:05 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AFzDq-0000Ar-DO; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 17:07:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AFzDq-0000Ar-DO; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 17:07:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFzDj-0007on-0X; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 17:07:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA1H5uK17905 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:05:56 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA1H5jF17831 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:05:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AFzC4-000F0w-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 17:05:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:04:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: 32-bit version of TransRTF available? References: <4c4a9184a2sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c4a9c89edsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c4a9c89edsbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I'm almost certain to write a new RTF loader for the Windows version >Will this become available for the RISC OS version as well? Sorry for not being more explicit, yes it will be available for RISC OS too. (From my point of view such things are trivial to make work on one system once they work on the other - this does not apply to everything I may do in the future. The two likely spin offs for RISC OS from the Windows version are a better RTF loader and an MS Word loader. I'm still encountering people who don't realise that Ovation Pro documents produced on RISC OS will load into the Windows version with no conversion, or work. Sometimes they try to use the import or export file menu entries rather than just loading like a normal document.) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:55:12 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AGSAP-0001uH-Hy-0001vb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:55:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AGSAP-0001uH-Hy; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:01:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AGSAP-0001uH-Hy; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:01:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGS9V-0002t7-2S; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:01:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA2NwqX14288 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:58:52 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA2NwgX14230 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:58:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGS7F-0007pT-Js for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:58:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:56:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Announcing the Wysiwyg applet Message-ID: <4c4b43f551gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, A new applet, Wysiwyg, is now available from: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html The Wysiwyg applet allows fine adjustment to the ArtWorks WYSIWYG rendering level used in Ovation Pro documents. The level can be set to any value between 0 and 11 in 0.1 steps using a slider bar. This applet requires the applet !OArtWrks 1.06 or newer to be installed. All feedback welcomed (good or bad). Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:55:26 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AGav1-0005fB-3q-0004mv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:55:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AGav1-0005fB-3q; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:20:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AGav1-0005fB-3q; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:22:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGaun-0005yT-IU; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:22:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA39LCI16446 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:21:12 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA39L5n16401 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:21:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AGatU-0006eW-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:21:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:20:56 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Announcing the Wysiwyg applet Message-ID: <311f7d4b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4c4b43f551gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c4b43f551gav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 2 Nov, Gavin Crawford wrote: > Hi, > > A new applet, Wysiwyg, is now available from: > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html > > The Wysiwyg applet allows fine adjustment to the ArtWorks WYSIWYG > rendering level used in Ovation Pro documents. The level can be set > to any value between 0 and 11 in 0.1 steps using a slider bar. > > This applet requires the applet !OArtWrks 1.06 or newer to be installed. Where do I find OArtWrks? (I have ArtWorks 2: but can't see it in there.) -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:55:28 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AGbvZ-0004yb-Lf-00050H."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:55:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AGbvZ-0004yb-Lf; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:27:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AGbvZ-0004yb-Lf; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:27:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGbuI-0002Dv-JT; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:25:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA3AOqL05808 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:24:52 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA3AOpq05804 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:24:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AGbtD-0004ti-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:24:51 +0100 Received: from [172.178.224.167] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AGbtC-0004mo-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:24:51 +0100 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:01:57 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Announcing the Wysiwyg applet Message-ID: <82e0804b4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4c4b43f551gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <311f7d4b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <311f7d4b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <311f7d4b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 2 Nov, Gavin Crawford wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > A new applet, Wysiwyg, is now available from: > > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html > > > > The Wysiwyg applet allows fine adjustment to the ArtWorks WYSIWYG > > rendering level used in Ovation Pro documents. The level can be set > > to any value between 0 and 11 in 0.1 steps using a slider bar. > > > > This applet requires the applet !OArtWrks 1.06 or newer to be installed. > > Where do I find OArtWrks? Inside your copy of OvationPro (try the Applets subdirectory)? Or, failing that, on DP's web site? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:55:49 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AGe1L-0003ZT-7U-00027k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:55:49 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AGe1L-0003ZT-7U; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:31:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AGe1L-0003ZT-7U; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:41:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGe0t-0002Gf-UP; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:40:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA3CeXV18444 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:40:33 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA3CeRM18337 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:40:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.151.138] (helo=Art) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGe0K-0000Jr-Rp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:40:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:34:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Announcing the Wysiwyg applet Message-ID: <4c4b8ee321gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <311f7d4b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4c4b43f551gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <311f7d4b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <311f7d4b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 2 Nov, Gavin Crawford wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A new applet, Wysiwyg, is now available from: > > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html > > > > The Wysiwyg applet allows fine adjustment to the ArtWorks WYSIWYG > > rendering level used in Ovation Pro documents. The level can be set > > to any value between 0 and 11 in 0.1 steps using a slider bar. > > > > This applet requires the applet !OArtWrks 1.06 or newer to be > > installed. > Where do I find OArtWrks? (I have ArtWorks 2: but can't see it in > there.) OArtWrks is the applet that allows ArtWorks files to be used in Ovation Pro, so if you already use ArtWorks files in your documents then the applet is currently installed. Of course if it is not installed and you don't use any ArtWorks files in your OP documents then the Wysiwyg applet isn't really of much use to you. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:55:50 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AGewD-0004J0-Ef-0004Oc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:55:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AGewD-0004J0-Ef; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:40:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AGewD-0004J0-Ef; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:40:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGevZ-0006ii-Bf; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:39:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA3Dcs923678 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:38:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA3Dcfu23350 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:38:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AGeul-0007Cd-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:38:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:37:33 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Announcing the Wysiwyg applet Message-ID: <929d944b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4c4b43f551gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <311f7d4b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <82e0804b4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <82e0804b4c.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 3 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <311f7d4b4c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > > In message of 2 Nov, Gavin Crawford wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > A new applet, Wysiwyg, is now available from: > > > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html > > > > > > The Wysiwyg applet allows fine adjustment to the ArtWorks WYSIWYG > > > rendering level used in Ovation Pro documents. The level can be set > > > to any value between 0 and 11 in 0.1 steps using a slider bar. > > > > > > This applet requires the applet !OArtWrks 1.06 or newer to be installed. > > > > Where do I find OArtWrks? > > Inside your copy of OvationPro (try the Applets subdirectory)? Or, failing > that, on DP's web site? Found it. Thanks. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:55:54 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AGhse-0002cX-3E-0003hj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:55:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AGhse-0002cX-3E; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:49:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AGhse-0002cX-3E; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:48:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGhlT-0006Hs-Rx; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:41:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA3GepL04635 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:40:51 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA3GelD04566 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:40:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.40.51.1] (helo=tinypc) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AGhl1-000FUQ-LP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:40:48 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c3a229$1af92400$02646401@LOCAL> From: "kevinb1" To: "Pilling Software List" Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro on Windows XP Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:38:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, The school has just made available to all teachers a laptop for use at school and at home. This means that I now have a use for the Windows version of OvationPro. The laptop has been set up with two profiles, one for use at school and one for use at home. The school profile has been set up to access the school network(dynamic IP addressing). The home profile has been set up for use anywhere but also on my home network(static IP addressing). I down loaded the trial version of OvationPro at school and suitably installed it and all appears to be fine. I then change to the other profile to make sure that the desktop is identical. I had to install into the second profile, this copy does not work, it gives me an error message connected with the exe file and wanting me to send a report of to Microsoft, which of course I declined. Has anybody else experienced this and found a cure or is this the first time it has occured. Kevin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:55:56 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AGjNn-0001yT-8S-00067b."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:55:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AGjNn-0001yT-8S; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:34:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AGjNn-0001yT-8S; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:24:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGjNU-0006Y8-UY; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:24:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA3IOQ318169 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:24:26 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA3IOPu18161 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:24:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031103182420.DPWE2637.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:24:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:11:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro on Windows XP To: Pilling Software List In-Reply-To: <001001c3a229$1af92400$02646401@LOCAL> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Mon 03 Nov, kevinb1 wrote: > Hi, > The school has just made available to all teachers a laptop for use at > school and at home. This means that I now have a use for the Windows > version of OvationPro. The laptop has been set up with two profiles, one > for use at school and one for use at home. The school profile has been set > up to access the school network(dynamic IP addressing). The home profile > has been set up for use anywhere but also on my home network(static IP > addressing). I down loaded the trial version of OvationPro at school and > suitably installed it and all appears to be fine. I then change to the > other profile to make sure that the desktop is identical. I had to install > into the second profile, this copy does not work, it gives me an error > message connected with the exe file and wanting me to send a report of to > Microsoft, which of course I declined. > Has anybody else experienced this and found a cure or is this the first > time it has occured. Are these separate location profiles for the different network settings and you use the same user profile (login name) with both, or is it different user profiles? Does the user profile you used when you installed OPro have administrator privileges to permit installation of software available to all user profiles? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:55:57 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AGjjj-0002MI-DR-0002R1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:55:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AGjjj-0002MI-DR; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:47:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AGjjj-0002MI-DR; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:47:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGjjZ-0003TQ-La; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:47:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA3IlLX28580 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:47:21 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA3IlKv28577 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:47:20 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk ([195.137.94.49]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id hA3IlK5Q021396 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:47:20 GMT Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:48:37 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: <2818b14b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have no problem transferring OP Documents from the RPC to the PC but I seem to be unable to do it the reverse way. Can someone help please? TIA. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:56:14 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AGqee-0001wE-HL-0001wv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:56:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AGqee-0001wE-HL; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 02:10:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AGqee-0001wE-HL; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 02:10:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGqdz-0007rz-SL; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 02:10:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA429St03543 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:09:28 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA429Mp03508 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:09:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pickwick ([81.99.20.85]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031104020920.BRE26284.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@pickwick> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:09:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 02:09:15 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: <9f6fd94b4c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <2818b14b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <2818b14b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <2818b14b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> Ian Wolfe wrote: > I have no problem transferring OP Documents from the RPC to the PC but I > seem to be unable to do it the reverse way. Can someone help please? > TIA. File type issue? Ie, OP documents produced on the PC aren't given a filetype, just an extension, (.dpd) and so seem to the RPC to be of file type DOS and not &B27 (OvnPro). Save your file to the RPC and then menu (over the file) -> SetType -> b27 Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:56:23 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AGviC-0002R2-Cr-0002TE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:56:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AGviC-0002R2-Cr; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:34:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AGviC-0002R2-Cr; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:34:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGvi5-0000RP-QG; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:34:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA47YQS26311 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:34:26 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA47YM926240 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:34:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk ([195.137.94.49]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id hA47YL5Q021401 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:34:22 GMT Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:35:32 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: <934ef74b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: <2818b14b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <9f6fd94b4c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9f6fd94b4c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <9f6fd94b4c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> colinc@argonet.co.uk wrote: [snip] > File type issue? Ie, OP documents produced on the PC aren't given a > filetype, just an extension, (.dpd) and so seem to the RPC to be of file > type DOS and not &B27 (OvnPro). Save your file to the RPC and then > > menu (over the file) -> SetType -> b27 Many thanks, Colin. I had been putting OvnPro. However now when double clickingI get "Not enough memory" although on the Icn bar I still allegedly have 6M. (It's a document with 6 JPEGs). Must be great to understand computers:-( -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:56:31 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AH1Y6-0003hO-8S-0003p5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:56:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AH1Y6-0003hO-8S; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:48:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AH1Y6-0003hO-8S; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:48:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AH1Xu-0006er-SG; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:48:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA4Dm4017757 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:48:04 GMT Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA4Dlva17629 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:47:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-3679.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.142.95] helo=riscpc) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AH1XI-0006Qe-2z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:47:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:22:10 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: References: <2818b14b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <9f6fd94b4c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <934ef74b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <934ef74b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <934ef74b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> you wrote: > In message <9f6fd94b4c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> > colinc@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > > [snip] > > > File type issue? Ie, OP documents produced on the PC aren't given a > > filetype, just an extension, (.dpd) and so seem to the RPC to be of file > > type DOS and not &B27 (OvnPro). Save your file to the RPC and then > > > > menu (over the file) -> SetType -> b27 > > Many thanks, Colin. I had been putting OvnPro. However now when double > clickingI get "Not enough memory" although on the Icn bar I still > allegedly have 6M. (It's a document with 6 JPEGs). Must be great to > understand computers:-( I suspect you need to increase picture cache. Over the icon bar icon, click Menu scroll the left panel down until you see Picture, and click it. Increase the max picture cache value. Mine is set to 40M (half of physical memory). I am assuming here that you will get out of memory if this is exceeded. You might instead just get uncached operation, i.e. very slow picture rendering. If the latter, then this won't help your problem. Alan -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 16:56:36 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AH47m-0007OL-7H-00031W."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:56:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AH47m-0007OL-7H; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:36:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AH47m-0007OL-7H; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:33:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AH47C-0005bA-Td; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:33:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA4GWmp13817 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:32:49 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA4GWiO13724 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:32:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.40.54.194] (helo=tinypc) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AH46k-000Jnf-Gu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:32:43 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c3a2f1$242490a0$02646401@LOCAL> From: "kevinb1" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro on Windows XP Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:31:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Hilton" To: "Pilling Software List" Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro on Windows XP > In on Mon 03 Nov, kevinb1 wrote: > > Hi, > > The school has just made available to all teachers a laptop for use at > > school and at home. This means that I now have a use for the Windows > > version of OvationPro. The laptop has been set up with two profiles, one > > for use at school and one for use at home. The school profile has been set > > up to access the school network(dynamic IP addressing). The home profile > > has been set up for use anywhere but also on my home network(static IP > > addressing). I down loaded the trial version of OvationPro at school and > > suitably installed it and all appears to be fine. I then change to the > > other profile to make sure that the desktop is identical. I had to install > > into the second profile, this copy does not work, it gives me an error > > message connected with the exe file and wanting me to send a report of to > > Microsoft, which of course I declined. > > Has anybody else experienced this and found a cure or is this the first > > time it has occured. > > Are these separate location profiles for the different network settings and > you use the same user profile (login name) with both, or is it different user > profiles? Different login names > Does the user profile you used when you installed OPro have administrator > privileges to permit installation of software available to all user profiles? > The profile I installed OPro into has full administrator priveleges on the school network but I suspect this is not what you mean. However I have successfully installed software into both profiles, swapped to the other profile, located the program in the the start menu and then sent a short cut to the desktop with each program working correctly. I could not do this with OPro. It installed fine into the school profile and still works, but when I changed to the other profile OPro was not in the start menu, I therefore installed it again. This put in in the start menu and was able to create short cut. This installation fails to work. Kevin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 18:43:41 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AH5zs-0003MH-8K-0003O1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:43:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AH5zs-0003MH-8K; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:33:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AH5zs-0003MH-8K; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:33:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AH5zm-0006Ov-3v; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:33:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA4IXXa03543 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:33:33 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA4IXVp03489 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:33:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AH5ze-000DX8-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:33:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:32:26 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC References: <2818b14b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <9f6fd94b4c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <934ef74b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I suspect you need to increase picture cache. I'm not so sure. Firstly picture cache only applies to documents using referenced images - a complex situation for transfer from PC to RISC OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 18:43:41 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AH5zv-0003Pj-8u-0003Tr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:43:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AH5zv-0003Pj-8u; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:33:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AH5zv-0003Pj-8u; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:33:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AH5zO-0001Qv-PY; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:33:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA4IWrb02446 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:32:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA4IWo002382 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:32:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AH5yz-000DQZ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:32:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:31:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro on Windows XP References: <001d01c3a2f1$242490a0$02646401@LOCAL> In-Reply-To: <001d01c3a2f1$242490a0$02646401@LOCAL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The profile I installed OPro into has full administrator priveleges on the >school network but I suspect this is not what you mean. However I have >successfully installed software into both profiles, swapped to the other >profile, located the program in the the start menu and then sent a short cut >to the desktop with each program working correctly. I could not do this with >OPro. This should work OK. As it stands OP installs just for the current user. If you want to have more than one user then the correct thing, the easiest thing is to just copy the short cut in the start menu folder. Installing twice, would not do any harm, unless you installed into two different locations. I wonder what the error you got was exactly? - it sounds like a nasty crash, but then again it might be something like the .exe not being found. I regard this as being something that needs fixing. As others have hinted, and may have been mentioned in the past, OP will only install if the user has administrator rights - this is not something that can be changed. So install as admin, and then sort out the shortcuts. Don't install as humble user at all. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 18:43:41 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AH63I-0003oc-Hm-0003po."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:43:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AH63I-0003oc-Hm; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:37:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AH63I-0003oc-Hm; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:37:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AH639-00071a-0M; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:37:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA4Ib0207645 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:37:01 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA4IaqY07502 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:36:53 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AH62u-000E0y-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:36:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:35:13 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC References: <2818b14b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <9f6fd94b4c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <934ef74b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <934ef74b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Many thanks, Colin. I had been putting OvnPro. However now when double >clickingI get "Not enough memory" although on the Icn bar I still >allegedly have 6M. (It's a document with 6 JPEGs). Must be great to >understand computers:-( How big is the document? (easy enough to read off in a filer window). And when does the memory error appear. If you try to load a large document you'll get a not enough memory error on load, but no memory will be used. So with an 8MB document you'd still have 6MB free. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 19:43:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AH6zp-0003hB-9g-0003iP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:43:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AH6zp-0003hB-9g; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:37:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AH6zp-0003hB-9g; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:37:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AH6zg-0001oE-Q7; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:37:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA4JbL017264 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:37:21 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA4JbJ817209 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:37:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk ([195.137.94.49]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id hA4JbI5Q023624 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:37:18 GMT Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:38:24 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: <107d394c4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: <2818b14b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <9f6fd94b4c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <934ef74b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >Many thanks, Colin. I had been putting OvnPro. However now when double > >clickingI get "Not enough memory" although on the Icn bar I still > >allegedly have 6M. (It's a document with 6 JPEGs). Must be great to > >understand computers:-( > > How big is the document? (easy enough to read off in a filer window). In the PC 12.87M. In te RPC 13498084. I tried increasing the Picture cache even to 50M but with no success. > And when does the memory error appear. Immediately on double clicking. If instead I try to insert it into a blank document I get the Error message "Inserted file is of type OvnPro not text. Are you sure you want to proceed". If you continue, you get the Not Enough Memory message. I've tried it with only one frame, file size 1868752. When double clicking this, I get the font replacement message. On continuing the document loads but with a BLANK picture frame. IF I try to insert the file into a blank document, I get the first error message as above then a couple of lines of "text" in the document. The fault cannot be my beautiful 2-year old granddaughter's photo - it must be because I'm in it:-( I'm most grateful to you all for your help. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 4 19:53:45 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AH7Dv-0005v2-LQ-0005xS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:53:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AH7Dv-0005v2-LQ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:52:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AH7Dv-0005v2-LQ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:52:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AH7Cu-0004FL-Oe; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:51:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA4JpAh01674 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:51:10 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA4Jp7U01638 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:51:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AH7Cl-000GfO-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:51:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:49:45 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC References: <2818b14b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <9f6fd94b4c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> <934ef74b4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <107d394c4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <107d394c4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >In the PC 12.87M. In te RPC 13498084. I tried increasing the Picture >cache even to 50M but with no success. I forgot to say, the usual problem with anything transferred is that it is corrupted during the transfer. How do you check that? Try sending the file back to the PC, or try sending a file from RISC OS to PC and then back again. I'd enable the options in OP General choices that check documents. >Immediately on double clicking. If instead I try to insert it into a >blank document I get the Error message "Inserted file is of type OvnPro >not text. Are you sure you want to proceed". If you continue, you get >the Not Enough Memory message. Normal, you can't load a document into another document. >I've tried it with only one frame, file size 1868752. When double >clicking this, I get the font replacement message. On continuing the >document loads but with a BLANK picture frame. IF I try to insert the The pictures in the document... are they things which RISC OS understands anyway? (e.g. transfer the JPEG across and see if OP on RISC OS will load it anyway). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 5 17:02:31 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AHOXJ-0001Vv-HS-0001XX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:02:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AHOXJ-0001Vv-HS; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:21:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AHOXJ-0001Vv-HS; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:21:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHOWp-0004Zx-BD; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:20:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA5EK8210121 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:20:08 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA5EK5U10071 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:20:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk ([195.137.94.49]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id hA5EK45Q018580 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:20:04 GMT Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:21:05 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >In the PC 12.87M. In te RPC 13498084. I tried increasing the Picture > >cache even to 50M but with no success. > > I forgot to say, the usual problem with anything transferred is that it > is corrupted during the transfer. Ah, so it's not just footballers:-) > How do you check that? Try sending the file back to the PC, or try > sending a file from RISC OS to PC and then back again. You're absolutely right (to no one's surprise!). > I'd enable the options in OP General choices that check documents. It was enabled. > >Immediately on double clicking. If instead I try to insert it into a > >blank document I get the Error message "Inserted file is of type OvnPro > >not text. Are you sure you want to proceed". If you continue, you get > >the Not Enough Memory message. > > Normal, you can't load a document into another document. Thank you. I didn't know that. > >I've tried it with only one frame, file size 1868752. When double > >clicking this, I get the font replacement message. On continuing the > >document loads but with a BLANK picture frame. IF I try to insert the > > The pictures in the document... are they things which RISC OS > understands anyway? (e.g. transfer the JPEG across and see if OP on RISC > OS will load it anyway). Well, it's provenance is Camcorder > Corel Photo House Image > saved as JPEG > to RPC via Lanman 98. Its size is then 1862502 bytes. This will still not load into OP. It will however load with ChangeFSI which saves it to a size of 93082. This them loads into OP. I started this because I thought it more difficult to construct the document of photos in Windows OP than in RPC. It has turned into something of an education which has taught me quite a bit (I think!!). I'm most grateful to you all, especially David (again!). -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 5 17:02:41 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AHQRi-0005FA-EE-0005KS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:02:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AHQRi-0005FA-EE; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:23:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AHQRi-0005FA-EE; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:23:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHQRV-0007ES-86; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:23:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA5GNHm11187 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:23:18 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA5GNCm11028 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:23:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AHQR5-0004Lr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:23:11 +0100 Received: from [172.183.152.174] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AHQR4-0002UZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:23:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:17:56 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Ian Wolfe wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > The pictures in the document... are they things which RISC OS > > understands anyway? (e.g. transfer the JPEG across and see if OP on RISC > > OS will load it anyway). > > Well, it's provenance is Camcorder > Corel Photo House Image > saved as > JPEG > to RPC via Lanman 98. Its size is then 1862502 bytes. This will > still not load into OP. It will however load with ChangeFSI which saves > it to a size of 93082. This them loads into OP. This reduction in file size is a bit suspicious. You are certain to have lost detail or quality. The default setting of ChangeFSI when saving JPEGs is only 75% quality, which can reduce the file size a lot but affects the quality of the image. If you want to retain the full quality it would be better to feed the JPEG through !CleanJPEG to turn it into something that can be loaded into OvationPro directly. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 5 17:21:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AHRFE-0005no-GZ-0007PT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:21:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AHRFE-0005no-GZ; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:16:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AHRFE-0005no-GZ; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:15:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHRF3-0002jv-CR; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:14:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA5HEcC12170 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:14:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA5HEYR12078 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:14:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AHREn-000Hji-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:14:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:13:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Well, it's provenance is Camcorder > Corel Photo House Image > saved as >JPEG > to RPC via Lanman 98. Its size is then 1862502 bytes. This will >still not load into OP. It will however load with ChangeFSI which saves >it to a size of 93082. This them loads into OP. OP can only render JPEG's which RISC OS understands. RISC OS doesn't understand all of them, and as Martin W just pointed out there are tools that will tweek the JPEG (without a expand compress cycle) so RISC OS can understand it. Loading the JPEG and then saving as JPEG is not a good idea, each JPEG expand compress cycle tends to lose quality. Loading as JPEG and then saving as a sprite would be no problem though. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 5 17:41:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AHRWV-0004jk-CG-0004nK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:41:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AHRWV-0004jk-CG; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:32:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AHRWV-0004jk-CG; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:32:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHRVY-0004Uu-Ez; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:31:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA5HVht00627 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:31:43 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA5HVel00537 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:31:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.116.56.203] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHRVI-0006WS-VK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:31:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 08:31:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro on Windows XP Message-ID: <4c4c804c3asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001d01c3a2f1$242490a0$02646401@LOCAL> References: <001d01c3a2f1$242490a0$02646401@LOCAL> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 04 Nov, kevinb1 wrote: > The profile I installed OPro into has full administrator priveleges on > the school network but I suspect this is not what you mean. However I > have successfully installed software into both profiles, swapped to the > other profile, located the program in the the start menu and then sent a > short cut to the desktop with each program working correctly. I could > not do this with OPro. It installed fine into the school profile and > still works, but when I changed to the other profile OPro was not in the > start menu, I therefore installed it again. This put in in the start > menu and was able to create short cut. This installation fails to work. Try: 1. Log on as a domain user with admin privileges and install. Copy the shortcut to the *All Users* desktop or All Users start menu. Make sure the user has appropriate permissions to read the shortcut or it will not appear. 2. Log on as local Administrator and do the above. NB Local Admin is slightly different to Domain User with admin. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 5 18:01:52 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AHRrV-0004lK-Ez-00050t."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:01:52 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AHRrV-0004lK-Ez; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:54:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AHRrV-0004lK-Ez; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:54:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHRrG-0003XK-3Z; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:54:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA5HsCX30471 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:54:13 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA5HsAJ30418 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:54:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk ([195.137.94.49]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id hA5Hs95Q011400 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:54:09 GMT Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:55:23 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: <74e4b34c4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > > >Well, it's provenance is Camcorder > Corel Photo House Image > saved as > >JPEG > to RPC via Lanman 98. Its size is then 1862502 bytes. This will > >still not load into OP. It will however load with ChangeFSI which saves > >it to a size of 93082. This them loads into OP. > > OP can only render JPEG's which RISC OS understands. RISC OS doesn't > understand all of them, and as Martin W just pointed out there are > tools that will tweek the JPEG (without a expand compress cycle) so RISC > OS can understand it. > > Loading the JPEG and then saving as JPEG is not a good idea, each JPEG > expand compress cycle tends to lose quality. Loading as JPEG and then > saving as a sprite would be no problem though. Thank you both - you are true gentlemen. I continue to learn. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 5 23:10:54 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AHWj1-0006Uz-B6-0006WG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:10:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AHWj1-0006Uz-B6; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 23:06:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AHWj1-0006Uz-B6; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 23:06:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHWig-0001mw-Bt; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 23:05:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA5N4xI18933 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:04:59 GMT Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA5N4vl18884 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:04:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-12-76.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.20.76] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1AHWhr-000MkV-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 23:04:56 +0000 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34BE2BEB3 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:09:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 05 Nov 2003 21:08:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:08:08 GMT From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro on Windows XP Message-ID: References: <4c4c804c3asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c4c804c3asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.37) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 5 Nov, in message <4c4c804c3asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling wrote: >On 04 Nov, kevinb1 wrote: > >> The profile I installed OPro into has full administrator priveleges on >> the school network but I suspect this is not what you mean. However I >> have successfully installed software into both profiles, swapped to the >> other profile, located the program in the the start menu and then sent a >> short cut to the desktop with each program working correctly. I could >> not do this with OPro. It installed fine into the school profile and >> still works, but when I changed to the other profile OPro was not in the >> start menu, I therefore installed it again. This put in in the start >> menu and was able to create short cut. This installation fails to work. > >Try: >1. Log on as a domain user with admin privileges and install. >Copy the shortcut to the *All Users* desktop or All Users start menu. Make more efficient use of disk space - move rather than copy :-) . Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 6 01:51:01 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AHZE8-0000xa-KS-0000yd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:51:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AHZE8-0000xa-KS; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:46:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AHZE8-0000xa-KS; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:46:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHZDV-0004ZO-IM; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:45:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA61jEl20229 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:45:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA61jAo20108 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:45:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AHZCv-000NkY-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:45:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:43:54 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OvHTML 0.41B2 References: <4c4c804c3asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, The latest version of OvHTML is available from; http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 6 21:08:31 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AHrIe-0002mJ-Hc-0002nz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:08:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AHrIe-0002mJ-Hc; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:04:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AHrIe-0002mJ-Hc; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:04:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHrHZ-0006pc-4a; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:03:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA6L2bd03915 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:02:37 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA6L2Yc03882 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:02:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.116.58.102] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AHrGy-0001JL-48 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:02:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:41:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvationPro on Windows XP Message-ID: <4c4d46f11dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c4c804c3asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 05 Nov, Philip Ludlam wrote: > On 5 Nov, in message <4c4c804c3asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven > Pampling wrote: > >On 04 Nov, kevinb1 wrote: > > > >> The profile I installed OPro into has full administrator priveleges > >> on the school network but I suspect this is not what you mean. > >> However I have successfully installed software into both profiles, > >> swapped to the other profile, located the program in the the start > >> menu and then sent a short cut to the desktop with each program > >> working correctly. I could not do this with OPro. It installed fine > >> into the school profile and still works, but when I changed to the > >> other profile OPro was not in the start menu, I therefore installed > >> it again. This put in in the start menu and was able to create short > >> cut. This installation fails to work. > > > >Try: 1. Log on as a domain user with admin privileges and install. Copy > >the shortcut to the *All Users* desktop or All Users start menu. > Make more efficient use of disk space - move rather than copy :-) . It's a PeeCee we're talking about. If you've got to the point of worrying about the saving of 1k of shortcut space then you're in deeper trouble than you realise. (Like if you have that many shortcuts that it makes a difference you've already made a big mistake or hundred) -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 11 18:03:46 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AIy8t-0005uQ-C0-0005z1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:03:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AIy8t-0005uQ-C0; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:34:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AIy8t-0005uQ-C0; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:34:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AIy8k-0000Xe-IY; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:34:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA9MXQP03900 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:33:26 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hA9MXJj03735 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:33:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AIy7S-0002AE-DN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:33:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:08:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Utilities for applet writers available Message-ID: <4c4ed4e312gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, (Some boring applet info, probably of interest only to other applet writers) Last week I released the Wysiwyg applet. As I haven't had any negative reports of anyone having any problems (or any positive reports for that matter), I've decided to release some other utilities for applet writers. To explain what that has do do with anything: The Wysiwyg applet uses an external application to provide its window and slider bar. When a new value is made, the external task transfers the value back to the Script file side of the applet. I'd been looking for a way to send data to OPro from an external task for some time, when just recently it hit me that it had been staring me in the face. It goes something like this: Create a small script file that calls a function that takes the data as its parameter. Then Filer_Run the file. The only problem being if the SHIFT key is being held down when the file gets Filer_Run, as this causes the script to be loaded by a text editor. So, to get around that problem, I decided to send the data directly to Ovation Pro's iconbar icon using the Data transfer protocol. To allow others to use this method without having implement the whole Data transfer protocol themselves, I've done a couple of small utilities that can be download from: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/oproresources.html First there's 'CallOPro' which lets you call an OPro function by running the utility with the function you wish to call passed as the command line string. This will wrap up the function (or functions) in a main() function to produce a small script file in memory and then RAM transfer it to OPro. The other, is 'SendOPro' which is passed a filename of a file to be sent to OPro's iconbar icon. The file can be of any type that OPro would normally accept when dragged to its iconbar icon i.e a document, a script file, text file, DDL, stylesheet and any others (although I can't think of any others). -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 12 22:40:40 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AK3Vq-00077J-8M-00079A."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:40:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AK3Vq-00077J-8M; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:31:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AK3Vq-00077J-8M; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:30:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AK3Vi-0001Jr-62; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:30:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hACMUBW13128 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:30:11 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hACMU9w13073 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:30:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.146.65] (helo=62.188.146.65) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AK3Uz-0006P9-JR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:30:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:28:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Tempory fix to tile printing Message-ID: <4c5067bf78robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've just had a printer misfeed when printing out a rather large tiled poster. I'd like to avoid printing all the tiles again so is there a way I can make a temporary fix to the Imposition applet to only print the last tile? For the longer term, it would be very useful if this could be an option in the print dialog box - similar to print sheet. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 12 23:00:41 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AK3xh-0006Lo-3m-0006NR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:00:41 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AK3xh-0006Lo-3m; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:59:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AK3xh-0006Lo-3m; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:59:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AK3xX-0006BL-PN; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:59:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hACMxUb18858 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:59:30 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hACMxPe18733 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:59:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AK3xN-000Pn3-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:59:25 +0000 Message-ID: <+yXHSlCHsrs$EwQN@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:58:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tempory fix to tile printing References: <4c5067bf78robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5067bf78robh@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've just had a printer misfeed when printing out a rather large tiled >poster. I'd like to avoid printing all the tiles again so is there a way >I can make a temporary fix to the Imposition applet to only print the >last tile? Yes. Now don't ask me what it is. >For the longer term, it would be very useful if this could be an option >in the print dialog box - similar to print sheet. True. I guess if you set the scale to the same value as used for the tile job, all you've got to do is turn on view print margins and position the print position for the tiles you want to reprint. You may even be able to calculate the values. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 13 13:26:59 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AKCCz-0002XI-Iu-0002YM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:26:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AKCCz-0002XI-Iu; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:48:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AKCCz-0002XI-Iu; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:48:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AKCCR-0003cV-Ov; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:47:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAD7l7f05477 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:47:09 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAD7kjc05027 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:46:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.15.37] (helo=62.188.15.37) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKCBe-0002Gh-Cc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:46:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:34:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tempory fix to tile printing Message-ID: <4c5099bdf9robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+yXHSlCHsrs$EwQN@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4c5067bf78robh@argonet.co.uk> <+yXHSlCHsrs$EwQN@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <+yXHSlCHsrs$EwQN@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I've just had a printer misfeed when printing out a rather large tiled > >poster. I'd like to avoid printing all the tiles again so is there a > >way I can make a temporary fix to the Imposition applet to only print > >the last tile? > Yes. Now don't ask me what it is. Could I at least ask for a hint? I've tried altering the script in the file called: OvationPro.!OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Tile but this did not seem to have any effect. Is this the right place to be looking? If it is then I'll try harder! > >For the longer term, it would be very useful if this could be an > >option in the print dialog box - similar to print sheet. > True. > I guess if you set the scale to the same value as used for the tile > job, all you've got to do is turn on view print margins and position > the print position for the tiles you want to reprint. You may even be > able to calculate the values. Thanks for the idea - I'll try this if I can't do it the other way. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 13 13:46:51 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AKHeS-0002mj-Ir-0002rQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:46:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AKHeS-0002mj-Ir; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AKHeS-0002mj-Ir; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:36:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AKHdY-0000TA-Sv; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:35:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hADDZac01236 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:35:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hADDZZB01232 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:35:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AKHdH-000C4q-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:35:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:34:26 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tempory fix to tile printing References: <4c5067bf78robh@argonet.co.uk> <+yXHSlCHsrs$EwQN@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5099bdf9robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5099bdf9robh@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Could I at least ask for a hint? I've tried altering the script in the >file called: OvationPro.!OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Tile but this >did not seem to have any effect. Is this the right place to be looking? >If it is then I'll try harder! You're looking in the right place. I'd say that you have to change that script so that it only tells OP it wants to print just one tile, and then change the rest so that it only prints the tile you want. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 13 20:57:11 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AKONi-0002VM-Ki-0002WM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:57:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AKONi-0002VM-Ki; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:48:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AKONi-0002VM-Ki; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:47:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AKONR-0002mO-Ov; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:47:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hADKlVL27504 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:47:31 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hADKlUW27495 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:47:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031113204416.HBKW2197.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:44:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:38:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tempory fix to tile printing To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4c5099bdf9robh@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Thu 13 Nov, robh@argonet.co.uk wrote: > In article <+yXHSlCHsrs$EwQN@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > >I've just had a printer misfeed when printing out a rather large tiled > > >poster. I'd like to avoid printing all the tiles again so is there a > > >way I can make a temporary fix to the Imposition applet to only print > > >the last tile? > > >For the longer term, it would be very useful if this could be an > > >option in the print dialog box - similar to print sheet. > > > True. > > > I guess if you set the scale to the same value as used for the tile > > job, all you've got to do is turn on view print margins and position > > the print position for the tiles you want to reprint. You may even be > > able to calculate the values. > > Thanks for the idea - I'll try this if I can't do it the other way. If you really want the tiles calculated again try printing to file with a Postscript driver, viewing the result in Riscript or Gview/Ghostscript and printing just the final page. It is probably possible to manually edit the PS file to chop out the pages you do not need. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 13 21:27:12 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AKOz2-0001Ow-H2-0001RH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:27:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AKOz2-0001Ow-H2; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:26:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AKOz2-0001Ow-H2; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:26:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AKOxT-0006Eq-9p; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:24:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hADLOph07912 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:24:51 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hADLOoT07909 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:24:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.135.146] (helo=62.188.135.146) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKOxL-0004ug-Rf for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:24:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:23:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tempory fix to tile printing Message-ID: <4c50e5a589robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c5067bf78robh@argonet.co.uk> <+yXHSlCHsrs$EwQN@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c5099bdf9robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Could I at least ask for a hint? I've tried altering the script in > >the file called: OvationPro.!OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Tile > >but this did not seem to have any effect. Is this the right place to > >be looking? If it is then I'll try harder! > You're looking in the right place. I'd say that you have to change that > script so that it only tells OP it wants to print just one tile, and > then change the rest so that it only prints the tile you want. OK, I'm half way there! I have managed to get it printing just one tile but what script do I need to alter to tell it which tile to print? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 14 00:05:24 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AKRLt-0000Rt-CW-0000TX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:05:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AKRLt-0000Rt-CW; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:58:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AKRLt-0000Rt-CW; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:58:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AKRKh-00031w-UG; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:57:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hADNul723454 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:56:47 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hADNujY23446 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:56:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.135.237] (helo=62.188.135.237) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKRKM-0006uw-Gl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:56:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:39:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tempory fix to tile printing Message-ID: <4c50e71301robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c5099bdf9robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Thu 13 Nov, robh@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > In article <+yXHSlCHsrs$EwQN@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > > wrote: > > > >I've just had a printer misfeed when printing out a rather large > > > >tiled poster. I'd like to avoid printing all the tiles again so > > > >is there a way I can make a temporary fix to the Imposition applet > > > >to only print the last tile? > > > > >For the longer term, it would be very useful if this could be an > > > >option in the print dialog box - similar to print sheet. > > > > > True. > > > > > I guess if you set the scale to the same value as used for the tile > > > job, all you've got to do is turn on view print margins and > > > position the print position for the tiles you want to reprint. You > > > may even be able to calculate the values. > > > > Thanks for the idea - I'll try this if I can't do it the other way. > If you really want the tiles calculated again try printing to file with > a Postscript driver, viewing the result in Riscript or > Gview/Ghostscript and printing just the final page. It is probably > possible to manually edit the PS file to chop out the pages you do not > need. Thanks for the suggestion but I'm not using a postscript printer so I'd assume that this would not help? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 14 14:10:22 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AKaJp-0004JR-F0-0004LG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:10:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AKaJp-0004JR-F0; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:32:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AKaJp-0004JR-F0; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:32:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AKaJY-0004gx-3J; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:32:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAE9WCM14075 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:32:12 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAE9WCu14070 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:32:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.73.117]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031114093211.RBGD2197.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:32:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:32:10 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tempory fix to tile printing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c50e71301robh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4c5099bdf9robh@argonet.co.uk> <4c50e71301robh@argonet.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.25 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="853834529--469254112--402984386"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --853834529--469254112--402984386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, wrote: > > If you really want the tiles calculated again try printing to file wi= th > > a Postscript driver, viewing the result in Riscript or Gview/Ghostscr= ipt > > and printing just the final page. It is probably possible to manually= > > edit the PS file to chop out the pages you do not need. >=20 > Thanks for the suggestion but I'm not using a postscript printer so I'd= > assume that this would not help? If you're still trying to get this working, you might try using SPrinter (which is, IIRC, available for download from David's site). This lets you= print to sprites - so you might find that you can print your tiles and th= en just reprint whichever tiles you need from the sprites produced. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --853834529--469254112--402984386 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/tKEbp6M/P/S/JWgRAvF/AKCQZv/Y80il2kP9U4KlHB1BcYgPcgCfSi7O YS7mgR0wpNIrqYgcrx7xgKs= =CZfa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --853834529--469254112--402984386-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 15 02:20:42 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AKq0o-00047W-Cz-00048j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:20:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AKq0o-00047W-Cz; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:18:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AKq0o-00047W-Cz; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:18:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AKq0d-0003ps-Q2; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:17:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAF2HhT29407 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:17:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAF2HhL29403 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:17:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AKq0M-000BTP-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:17:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:16:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tempory fix to tile printing References: <4c5099bdf9robh@argonet.co.uk> <4c50e71301robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c50e71301robh@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) So I guess you get to print just one tile by tweeking prtilecount() in library.tile. To print just one tile per page fix the values of tilex and tiley in prtilesetup(), rather than calculating them? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 15 02:30:42 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AKq3G-0005Ij-Ha-0005Lf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:30:42 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AKq3G-0005Ij-Ha; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:20:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AKq3G-0005Ij-Ha; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:20:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AKq31-0005vG-HC; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:20:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAF2KP929701 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:20:25 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAF2KOF29695 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:20:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AKq2y-000BYq-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:20:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:19:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Friday 14th list hiccup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, If you posted anything on Friday and it has not appeared here, it probably isn't going to. Trouble at t'mill... please repost. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 15 13:44:00 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AKzg6-0007DS-7j-0007Ef."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:44:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AKzg6-0007DS-7j; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:37:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AKzg6-0007DS-7j; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:37:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AKzfj-0007n5-6O; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:37:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAFCamQ04587 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:36:48 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAFCamp04584 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:36:48 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.120.205] (helo=62.188.120.205) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKzfR-0002Uk-Oi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:36:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:46:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Tempory fix to tile printing Message-ID: <4c51a80a81robh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c5099bdf9robh@argonet.co.uk> <4c50e71301robh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > So I guess you get to print just one tile by tweeking prtilecount() in > library.tile. To print just one tile per page fix the values of tilex > and tiley in prtilesetup(), rather than calculating them? Thanks David that was really helpful and I have now managed to print just the one missing tile. :-) I had managed to work out how to alter prtilecount() to only print one tile but was not sure which function to alter to set the tile number. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:34 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALKgY-00054u-LT-00055p."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALKgY-00054u-LT; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:03:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALKgY-00054u-LT; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:03:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALKg2-0002GC-6B; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:02:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGB2Ch30177 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:02:12 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGB2Bn30174 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:02:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.225.8.11] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALKfR-0000oB-GX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:02:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:15:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David. I'm having a problem with a document in the opposite direction. :-( Perfectly okay in RO OvPro 2.72 but when I transfer it to the PC version (latest available) the document loads (no error messages), and while any frames in the doc present okay, the contents do not. The contents within each main frame are: A Draw image with some text *converted to path* and a separate frame with some bog standard Times Roman text. As I say, will load the doc and frames but without contents in the PC OvPro. That is, neither graphic or plain text. Now RUN VRPC-SE RO OvPro 2.72 double click the same Doc on the floppy disk and it'll load correctly. I faffed around for a while, trying this and that, no change. New tack... Back to the Real SARPC, edited the document, changing the Draw graphic for an 8 bit sprite. Back to the PC OvPro... Doc loads including frames but again no content... Either graphic or text. Run VRPC-SE, this version of the Doc is also okay there. Any ideas please? For experimental purposes I've created a small version of the document, just one frame set with the Draw graphic, and one frame set with the Sprite graphic... So if you'd like to have a look, I'll zip it up and send. Cheers Dave S PS: As I really did need to print the doc last night, I manually (how tedious) reconstructed it in the PC OvPro using the Sprite graphics. Thereafter obviously loads/saves okay. But I really would like to understand why my original doc, still will not load in to the PC version. Oh, and for those who might be wondering... why couldn't you just print out of the RO OvPro... Simple really... My Epson Photo Colour printer is connected to the PC. D. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:35 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALKv7-0006Qf-D5-0006Ts."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALKv7-0006Qf-D5; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:18:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALKv7-0006Qf-D5; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:18:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALKus-0005Sr-Kq; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:18:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGBI3O01207 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:18:03 GMT Received: from expresso.netweaver.net (expresso.netweaver.net [217.151.99.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id hAGBI2201204 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:18:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 14030 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 12:18:03 -0000 Received: from cpc4-hem12-3-0-cust133.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix) (john@thesandfords.me.uk@213.105.83.133) by 0 with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 12:18:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:18:00 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: References: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > Cheers > Dave S > > PS: > As I really did need to print the doc last night, I manually (how tedious) > reconstructed it in the PC OvPro using the Sprite graphics. > > Thereafter obviously loads/saves okay. > But I really would like to understand why my original doc, still will not > load in to the PC version. > > Oh, and for those who might be wondering... why couldn't you just print > out of the RO OvPro... > Simple really... My Epson Photo Colour printer is connected to the PC. > > D. > !UniPrint from Rcomp is useful in this situation and normally if you have windows only printers. (just a user of !uniprint) -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group email hhrug@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:37 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALLQP-00052b-Bk-00054w."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALLQP-00052b-Bk; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:50:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALLQP-00052b-Bk; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:50:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALLQJ-0005Ct-BO; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:50:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGBoUZ08357 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:50:30 GMT Received: from smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGBoTu08353 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:50:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:50:32 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:49:24 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2003 11:50:32.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6F476B0:01C3AC37] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message sandfordjm@ntlworld.com wrote: > !UniPrint from Rcomp is useful in this situation and normally if you > have windows only printers. (just a user of !uniprint) But be warned - I don't know what Win version Dave has, but UniPrint isn't supported on Win ME (and doesn't work for me). Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:39 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALLtU-0007cN-Ca-0007gt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALLtU-0007cN-Ca; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:20:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALLtU-0007cN-Ca; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:20:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALLtE-0008LH-PY; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:20:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGCKOP18172 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:20:24 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGCKN918168 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:20:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ALLt6-000BLI-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:20:21 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:19:23 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 16 Nov, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message > sandfordjm@ntlworld.com wrote: > > > !UniPrint from Rcomp is useful in this situation and normally if you > > have windows only printers. (just a user of !uniprint) > > But be warned - I don't know what Win version Dave has, but UniPrint isn't > supported on Win ME (and doesn't work for me). Wait for the gimp-print project, by our own Martin Wuerthner? http://www.mw-software.com/software/rougps/rougps.html -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:39 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALM2X-0007Fq-9J-0007He."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALM2X-0007Fq-9J; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:30:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALM2X-0007Fq-9J; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:30:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALM2N-0000tY-2C; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:29:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGCTpA22389 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:29:51 GMT Received: from smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGCTon22383 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:29:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:29:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:28:52 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2003 12:29:53.0821 (UTC) FILETIME=[5659BCD0:01C3AC3D] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > Wait for the gimp-print project, by our own Martin Wuerthner? Precisely. And I can't wait! (Reminder to self - chip in some Earth poundingtons.) Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:43 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALNFH-0000pC-Ir-0000qt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALNFH-0000pC-Ir; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:47:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALNFH-0000pC-Ir; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:47:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALNFB-00013X-IR; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:47:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGDl7409407 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:47:07 GMT Received: from expresso.netweaver.net (expresso.netweaver.net [217.151.99.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id hAGDl6r09403 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:47:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 22935 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 14:47:08 -0000 Received: from cpc4-hem12-3-0-cust133.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix) (john@thesandfords.me.uk@213.105.83.133) by 0 with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 14:47:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:47:00 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message > sandfordjm@ntlworld.com wrote: > > > !UniPrint from Rcomp is useful in this situation and normally if you > > have windows only printers. (just a user of !uniprint) > > But be warned - I don't know what Win version Dave has, but UniPrint isn't > supported on Win ME (and doesn't work for me). > > Bruce > > -- Works for me on (98se/ME/2000 pro) with any printer i've attached. (except wkere I've forgoten to upgrade the windows server.exe with !Uniprint upgrades on the RiscOS machines.) -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group email hhrug@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALNUx-0005Rg-HJ-0005TW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALNUx-0005Rg-HJ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:03:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALNUx-0005Rg-HJ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:03:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALNUr-00083W-MT; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:03:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGE3Kp13647 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:03:20 GMT Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGE3JG13644 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:03:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:03:22 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:02:39 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2003 14:03:22.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[655DCF70:01C3AC4A] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message sandfordjm@ntlworld.com wrote: > Works for me on (98se/ME/2000 pro) with any printer i've attached. > (except wkere I've forgoten to upgrade the windows server.exe with > !Uniprint upgrades on the RiscOS machines.) Well, all I get nowadays is "Can't open Printer:" and no joy from R-Comp. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:46 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALNxF-0001Q2-41-0001RA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALNxF-0001Q2-41; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:32:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALNxF-0001Q2-41; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:32:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALNx0-0004Qb-UR; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:32:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGEWQW19442 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:32:26 GMT Received: from expresso.netweaver.net (expresso.netweaver.net [217.151.99.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id hAGEWPT19431 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:32:25 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 4434 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2003 15:32:27 -0000 Received: from cpc4-hem12-3-0-cust133.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix) (john@thesandfords.me.uk@213.105.83.133) by 0 with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 15:32:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:32:00 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message > sandfordjm@ntlworld.com wrote: > > > Works for me on (98se/ME/2000 pro) with any printer i've attached. > > (except wkere I've forgoten to upgrade the windows server.exe with > > !Uniprint upgrades on the RiscOS machines.) > > Well, all I get nowadays is "Can't open Printer:" and no joy from R-Comp. > > Bruce > I think i saw that when I did not have a suitable entry in the RiscPC Hosts file for the server name and something similar if the RiscOS client does not match the Windows server for version number. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group email hhrug@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:51 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALOjz-0004Oh-F5-0004QF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALOjz-0004Oh-F5; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:23:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALOjz-0004Oh-F5; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:23:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALOjs-0001zw-Ue; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:23:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGFMot31279 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:22:50 GMT Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGFMod31268 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:22:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:22:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:18:58 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2003 15:22:53.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[80DF47A0:01C3AC55] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message sandfordjm@ntlworld.com wrote: > I think i saw that when I did not have a suitable entry in the > RiscPC Hosts file for the server name and something similar if the > RiscOS client does not match the Windows server for version number. Thanks for the thought - however, the Hosts file is O.K. and the version numbers are (AFAICT) the same. I'm trying to run it on an Iyonix, but I doubt that that would be significant. I'm sorry - this is well OT for this list; I was just a bit cross at the lack of support (and the criticism for using Win ME at all). Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:56 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALPaY-0000x9-7o-00010z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:56 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALPaY-0000x9-7o; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:17:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALPaY-0000x9-7o; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:17:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALPaP-0002x5-TU; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:17:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGGHCb14069 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:17:12 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGGHCU14065 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:17:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=37090 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALPaJ-0006tX-Ud for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:17:11 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55882 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALPaJ-0004FM-2J for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:17:11 +0100 Message-ID: <005401c3ab8b$bd32c210$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:18:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:15 AM, Dave Symes wrote: > David. > I'm having a problem with a document in the opposite direction. :-( > > Perfectly okay in RO OvPro 2.72 but when I transfer it to the PC > version (latest available) the document loads (no error messages), > and while any frames in the doc present okay, the contents do not. > > The contents within each main frame are: > A Draw image with some text *converted to path* and a separate frame > with some bog standard Times Roman text. > > As I say, will load the doc and frames but without contents in the PC > OvPro. That is, neither graphic or plain text. No problem here. No problem when saved in OP-doc, no problem when saved as DDL. First frame contains DrawFile with Text in Trinity Medium converted to path. Second frame contains DrawFile with same text, not converted to path. Made and saved in OP 2.72 in RISC OS. Opened without problem in OP 2.72 (1 sep 2003) in Windows. DDL and OPDoc. I don't have VRPC, but I do have Red Squirrel 0.6. This supports also commands (f12) *hostopen and *hostprint. This means, that files with an extension, recognised by windows, can be opened and printed from within Red Squirrel. I think, that these commands are also supported by VA. Maybe also by VRPC. Example: I saved the OPdoc as mentioned above to hostfs::Shared.$.DocandText I went to the CLI (f12) in Red Squirrel and type: *hostopen hostfs::Shared.$.DocandText Instantly OP in Windows opens with this document loaded. I also can issue the command *hostprint hostfs::Shared.$.DocandText and the doc is (loaded in OP for Windows) and printed by the windows printer, which is configured as default printer. BTW: This can be done with *ALL* recognised file types / extensions. And to make filetypes/extensions to be recognised, they have to be defined in Tools-->hostfs extensions. However, take care: once an extension is written to disc, this extension can't be undone in RS. Only one-by-one in Windows. > Oh, and for those who might be wondering... why couldn't you just > print out of the RO OvPro... > Simple really... My Epson Photo Colour printer is connected to the PC. At least in Red Squirrel any printer connected to the PC can be used. Even Acrobat Distiller. However, when the doc isn't received OK in windows program, the print-out can't also be OK ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:57 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALPss-0002rx-KB-0002tI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALPss-0002rx-KB; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALPss-0002rx-KB; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALPsl-0004bY-B7; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGGaBF20180 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:11 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGGaAP20151 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.218.254] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALPsf-000O8l-GK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:32:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PC to RPC Message-ID: <4c52567521dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 16 Nov, Bruce Goatly wrote: > > In message > > sandfordjm@ntlworld.com wrote: > > > > > !UniPrint from Rcomp is useful in this situation and normally if you > > > have windows only printers. (just a user of !uniprint) > > > > But be warned - I don't know what Win version Dave has, but UniPrint > > isn't supported on Win ME (and doesn't work for me). > Wait for the gimp-print project, by our own Martin Wuerthner? > http://www.mw-software.com/software/rougps/rougps.html > Indeed, and though I am a subscriber to that project, I really did need to print last night. But... The thread has wandered already and |i seem no closer to the answer I'm after... Why won't the doc transfer? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:11:58 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALPsy-0003m8-DN-0003nN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:11:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALPsy-0003m8-DN; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALPsy-0003m8-DN; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALPsl-0005is-6A; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGGa9o20144 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:09 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGGa8G20140 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.218.254] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALPsd-000O8l-6d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:36:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:30:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PC to RPC Message-ID: <4c52564656dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message > sandfordjm@ntlworld.com wrote: > > !UniPrint from Rcomp is useful in this situation and normally if you > > have windows only printers. (just a user of !uniprint) > But be warned - I don't know what Win version Dave has, but UniPrint > isn't supported on Win ME (and doesn't work for me). > Bruce I'm on Win XP, what else ;-) As the two computers are not networked, there wouldn't be much point in UniPrint. The SARPC is connected to a HPlaserJet. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:12:09 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALSIr-0001rS-Bu-0001sr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:12:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALSIr-0001rS-Bu; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:11:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALSIr-0001rS-Bu; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:11:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALSIV-0000v5-OO; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:10:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGJApF16763 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:10:51 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGJAoT16757 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:10:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.225.12.240] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALSIE-0007X0-LP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:10:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:00:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PC to RPC Message-ID: <4c526402a0dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <005401c3ab8b$bd32c210$6502a8c0@padua> References: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> <005401c3ab8b$bd32c210$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (03 Jun 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <005401c3ab8b$bd32c210$6502a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:15 AM, > Dave Symes wrote: > > David. > > I'm having a problem with a document in the opposite direction. :-( > > [Snip] > I think, that these commands are also supported by VA. Maybe also by > VRPC. > Example: > I saved the OPdoc as mentioned above to hostfs::Shared.$.DocandText > I went to the CLI (f12) in Red Squirrel and type: > *hostopen hostfs::Shared.$.DocandText > Instantly OP in Windows opens with this document loaded. This doesn't seem to work with VRPC-SE [Snip] > Tonnie > Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands Thanks for the note Tonnie, You set me thinking (lets forget VRPC for the time being [Dr Who]) In windows I specifically set a file association for (first dps) no good, doc with.dps extension will load into OvPro but will not display as before. New association b27 this now works, any OvPro doc given the .b27 extension loads and displays correctly in Win OvPro. But loses its OvPro icon in the filer window. But there's more. I thought .dps or b27 were the extensions for OvPro. However, If I change the alpha extension and use .dpd my files will also now load into WinOvPro and retain the icon. Weird business... maybe it's me, but I really thought it was dps not dpd. So it seems problem now solved. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:12:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALSpR-0007WS-KL-0007XC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:12:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALSpR-0007WS-KL; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:45:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALSpR-0007WS-KL; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:45:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALSp3-0006SU-OQ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:44:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGJiT426145 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:44:29 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGJiO426137 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:44:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pickwick ([81.99.20.85]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031116194423.ZXDJ8240.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@pickwick> for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:44:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:38:30 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: PC to RPC Message-ID: <388767524c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c526402a0dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c526402a0dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c526402a0dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > ) In windows I specifically set a file association for (first dps) no > good, doc with.dps extension will load into OvPro but will not display as > before. > > New association b27 this now works, any OvPro doc given the .b27 > extension loads and displays correctly in Win OvPro. But loses its OvPro > icon in the filer window. > > But there's more. I thought .dps or b27 were the extensions for OvPro. > However, If I change the alpha extension and use .dpd my files will also > now load into WinOvPro and retain the icon. > > Weird business... maybe it's me, but I really thought it was dps not dpd. > So it seems problem now solved. > > Cheers Dave S > Hi I hope I'm not miising the point here but the .dps extension is only for an OVnPro /StyleSheet/ and as such not any use for a whole document's contents - the .dpd extension is the /document/ extension and hence 'does the right thing' for your graphics - as does .b27, the other 'document' extension Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:12:11 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALSz9-0006FO-Kl-0006Gb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:12:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALSz9-0006FO-Kl; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:55:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALSz9-0006FO-Kl; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:55:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALSyk-0004gk-HK; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:54:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGJsYb30274 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:54:34 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGJsYX30269 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:54:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pickwick ([81.99.20.85]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031116195433.OYG8240.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@pickwick> for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:54:33 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:38:30 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: PC to RPC Message-ID: <388767524c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c526402a0dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c526402a0dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c526402a0dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > ) In windows I specifically set a file association for (first dps) no > good, doc with.dps extension will load into OvPro but will not display as > before. > > New association b27 this now works, any OvPro doc given the .b27 > extension loads and displays correctly in Win OvPro. But loses its OvPro > icon in the filer window. > > But there's more. I thought .dps or b27 were the extensions for OvPro. > However, If I change the alpha extension and use .dpd my files will also > now load into WinOvPro and retain the icon. > > Weird business... maybe it's me, but I really thought it was dps not dpd. > So it seems problem now solved. > > Cheers Dave S > Hi I hope I'm not miising the point here but the .dps extension is only for an OVnPro /StyleSheet/ and as such not any use for a whole document's contents - the .dpd extension is the /document/ extension and hence 'does the right thing' for your graphics - as does .b27, the other 'document' extension Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:12:12 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALSzA-0002si-CO-0002wf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:12:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALSzA-0002si-CO; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:55:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALSzA-0002si-CO; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:55:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALSyk-0007VW-7n; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:54:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGJsZ930283 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:54:35 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGJsYE30276 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:54:34 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pickwick ([81.99.20.85]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031116195434.OYT8240.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@pickwick> for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:54:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:41:55 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: PC to RPC Message-ID: <2cd767524c.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <4c52564656dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c52564656dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c52564656dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > > As the two computers are not networked, there wouldn't be much point in > UniPrint. R-Comp have a version of UniPrint specifically to allow printing fron VA (in my case VA5000) to XP Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:12:13 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALTaF-0004iy-EP-0004kV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:12:13 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALTaF-0004iy-EP; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:33:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALTaF-0004iy-EP; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:33:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALTZp-0000lY-BZ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:32:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAGKWpO10566 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:32:51 GMT Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAGKWoH10560 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:32:50 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=51466 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALTZi-0007q4-2z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:32:50 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55979 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ALTZh-0003Vg-18 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:32:49 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c3abaf$737accc0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> <005401c3ab8b$bd32c210$6502a8c0@padua> <4c526402a0dfs@ukgateway.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: PC to RPC Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:34:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:00 PM, Dave Symes wrote: .... > > New association b27 this now works, any OvPro doc given the .b27 > extension loads and displays correctly in Win OvPro. > But loses its OvPro icon in the filer window. Are you sure, that from the emulator site the added extension is .dpd or .b27, that is point+dpd and pont+b27? At least in Red Squirrel and VA, the added "extension" is ,b27 (that is comma+b27), when you don't have an extension defined in Tools-->Options-->Hostfs extensions. Hence Windows sees in comma+b27 NOT an extension! Even if you save in RedSquirrel or VA an Ovdoc as \b27 or .b27,b27. And Windows sees again comma+b27. > But there's more. I thought .dps or b27 were the extensions for OvPro. > However, If I change the alpha extension and use .dpd my files will > also now load into WinOvPro and retain the icon. So, I assume, that you have added this extension in the hostfs extension in the emulator. Of course, you can also add other extensions as listed in the help, that comes with OP for Windows. As far as releavnt and as far as there isn't already another 'map' in hostfs (like for obe) Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:13:00 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALiOH-0006HN-7l-0005de."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:13:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALiOH-0006HN-7l; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:27:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALiOH-0006HN-7l; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:22:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALiNd-0000VW-LO; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:21:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAHCKgd15163 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:20:42 GMT Received: from ctb-mesg4.saix.net (ctb-mesg4.saix.net [196.25.240.76]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAHCKeR15131 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:20:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from tolkien (tbnb-ip-nas-1-p294.telkom-ipnet.co.za [155.239.181.38]) by ctb-mesg4.saix.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DF4DB269 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:20:36 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <021d01c3ad04$c33ac930$01a8a8c0@tolkien> From: "Samuel" To: References: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:10:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Disposition-Notification-To: "Samuel" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Is the Epson Printer supported with a RISC OS driver? If so, just print to a file in RISC OS, and print he file to directly to the printer in windows... :) Samuel Dave Symes wrote: > PS: > As I really did need to print the doc last night, I manually (how > tedious) reconstructed it in the PC OvPro using the Sprite graphics. > > Thereafter obviously loads/saves okay. > But I really would like to understand why my original doc, still will > not load in to the PC version. > > Oh, and for those who might be wondering... why couldn't you just > print out of the RO OvPro... > Simple really... My Epson Photo Colour printer is connected to the PC. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:13:09 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALiuM-0000U6-FI-0000ZO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:13:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALiuM-0000U6-FI; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:55:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALiuM-0000U6-FI; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:55:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALitt-0001dL-6b; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:54:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAHCsX029342 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:54:33 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAHCsWp29335 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:54:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.24.131] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2E01271008A; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:45:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:55:21 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] scangap Message-ID: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id hAHCsWp29336 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) The left-hand inch or so of glass on my scanner is not seen by the software. A good part of this area is scanned - the scan is a fraction wider than the nominal A4 - but the preview window in DPlngScan misses a slice of it. This missing area from the left of the hardware is of course on the right of the software window. The window is big enough, but that last little slice always comes out blank white. This was true of my old Epson scanner, and it remains so with my new one (the 1660): I have put up with it for years, but recently I have been doing some wide scans where it really is a major inconvenience, and so I wonder whether there is any solution. By the way, I tried to check whether I have the latest version, but in my incompetence I could not work out where to find a version number. Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:13:11 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALj9l-0000gF-KK-0000hH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:13:11 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALj9l-0000gF-KK; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:11:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALj9l-0000gF-KK; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:11:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALj8w-0000Rg-5I; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:10:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAHDA4p03372 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:10:04 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAHDA2H03357 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:10:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ALj8i-000FSy-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:10:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:07:40 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scangap Message-ID: <2a95c7524c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 17 Nov, michael talibard wrote: > > > The left-hand inch or so of glass on my scanner is not seen by > the software. A good part of this area is scanned - the scan is > a fraction wider than the nominal A4 - but the preview window > in DPlngScan misses a slice of it. This missing area from the left > of the hardware is of course on the right of the software window. > The window is big enough, but that last little slice always comes > out blank white. This was true of my old Epson scanner, and it > remains so with my new one (the 1660): I have put up with it for > years, but recently I have been doing some wide scans where it > really is a major inconvenience, and so I wonder whether there is > any solution. Make the paper size bigger in I***M****r. > By the way, I tried to check whether I have the latest > version, but in my incompetence I could not work out where to > find a version number. Possibly go to TWAIN, open it up (Shift-click), look inside the Sources directory and look at the RunImage file (another Shift-click) for your chosen scanner in Sources. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:13:14 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALkDN-0000BL-54-0004D6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:13:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALkDN-0000BL-54; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:21:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALkDN-0000BL-54; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:18:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALkD9-0000NG-46; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:18:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAHEIPb07232 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:18:25 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAHEINC07219 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:18:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from wallace ([195.137.110.177]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id hAHEIH5R014166 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:18:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:10:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: scangap Message-ID: <4c52cd5096bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk>, michael talibard wrote: [Snip] > By the way, I tried to check whether I have the latest > version, but in my incompetence I could not work out where to > find a version number. It's slightly unconventional. Open !DPlingScan; Select_click 'Scan'; Menu_click on left half of the scan-control window (ie the TWAIN window) but not in a writable icon; go to 'Info' and get the normal iconbar_menu window, including the version details. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:13:14 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALkOO-0002b9-Dn-0002fZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:13:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALkOO-0002b9-Dn; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:30:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALkOO-0002b9-Dn; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:30:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALkOH-0002Ii-3b; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:30:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAHETxa11521 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:29:59 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAHETwH11518 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:29:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.24.131] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A93ECD690064; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:20:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:30:54 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: scangap Message-ID: References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4c52cd5096bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4c52cd5096bric@f2s.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c52cd5096bric@f2s.com> you wrote: > It's slightly unconventional. Open !DPlingScan; . . . etc Thanks. Followed this, and I've got Version 2.1 M.J.T. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:13:22 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALniJ-0001BS-84-0001FO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:13:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALniJ-0001BS-84; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:03:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALniJ-0001BS-84; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:03:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALniA-0007Df-H5; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:02:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAHI2gP29957 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:02:42 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAHI2fO29946 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:02:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALnhw-0002zz-Nq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:02:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:06:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: scangap Message-ID: <4c52dd7433gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4c52cd5096bric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , michael talibard wrote: > In message <4c52cd5096bric@f2s.com> you wrote: > > It's slightly unconventional. Open !DPlingScan; . . . etc > Thanks. Followed this, and I've got Version 2.1 To adjust the scan area, do the same as above, but come down the Source menu (from the TWAIN window) to the 'Page size' entry and try setting a Custom Page size to be the size you want. If this allows the scanner to scan a bigger area then you can store that setting by selecting the 'Save state' menu entry. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:13:34 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALozo-0005Vz-ES-0005Y0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:13:34 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALozo-0005Vz-ES; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:25:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALozo-0005Vz-ES; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:25:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALozT-00034k-KB; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:24:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAHJOjv01418 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:24:45 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAHJOi701414 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:24:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.24.131] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE548E82008A; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:15:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:25:36 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: scangap Message-ID: <142fea524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <4c52cd5096bric@f2s.com> <4c52dd7433gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c52dd7433gav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c52dd7433gav@crawford-print.co.uk> you wrote: Thanks. Followed this, and I've got Version 2.1 > To adjust the scan area, do the same as above, but come down > the Source menu (from the TWAIN window) to the 'Page size' entry > and try setting a Custom Page size to be the size you want. Thanks for this suggestion, which I have tried out. I am afraid it doesn't help. Altering the page size as you suggest gives just the same effect as altering the scale by using the middle button over the preview window, but the same percentage of the scannable area is always missing as before. Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:13:39 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALpo2-00072R-H4-00077Y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:13:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALpo2-00072R-H4; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:17:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALpo2-00072R-H4; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:17:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALpnt-0004tq-1Y; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:16:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAHKGqq27507 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:16:52 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAHKGpd27503 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:16:51 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ALpnn-000Cy2-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:16:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:16:31 GMT From: Chris Hughes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC Message-ID: <70d8ee524c.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message > sandfordjm@ntlworld.com wrote: > > > !UniPrint from Rcomp is useful in this situation and normally if you > > have windows only printers. (just a user of !uniprint) > > But be warned - I don't know what Win version Dave has, but UniPrint isn't > supported on Win ME (and doesn't work for me). In order to check this statement I asked Andrew Rawnsley of R-Comp to comment: He has asked me to post the following on his behalf. [quote] Certain printers/drivers do not function correctly on Win98/ME with UniPrint, in particular HP models. They will only print in low resolutions, or small areas of the page at higher resolutions. This would appear to be due to problems with the drivers, since other makes of printer (eg. Epsons) work fine. Indeed, WindowsME was the testbed OS for UniPrint, using an Epson C62 inkjet. It doesn't help that MS (and by extension, MS's partners) are now only really supporting Win2000/XP (the recently released version of Office only works on those OSs). The same printers which have trouble with high res printing on 98 etc. will print quite happily in high res on Win2000 and XP, and even Win NT I believe. These OS versions also give much better performance, and their networking is more robust. Our company line is to recommend the Win NT/2000/XP line of OSs for anyone using networks. This is in line with the respected press/authorities on this matter. Win98/ME is designed really for home users using older games, DOS software, or early Win95 which may not be supported on 2000/XP, and older PCs. We do appreciate that RISC OS users do not like supporting MS's operating systems, but on the other hand, where the OSs do represent tangible benefits, we see no advantage to dismissing them. From a personal perspective, having used Win 95, 98, ME, 2000 and XP extensively at different times, my preference is for XP. If only because it boots faster than the others! So, to conclude - pretty much any printer will be OK on 2000/XP. On Win98/ME then some printers will only print in low resolution. If people are having any other problems, they should contact us direct for tech support. [end quote] -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 17:13:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ALrO7-0006it-4K-0006n3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:13:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ALrO7-0006it-4K; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:58:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ALrO7-0006it-4K; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:58:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ALrNx-000138-6z; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:58:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAHLw8h21626 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:58:08 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAHLw7d21619 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:58:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.24.131] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A247B3DD014C; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:48:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:59:09 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scangap Message-ID: <9a3df8524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Further investigation reveals that there is a similar (but smaller) 'blind' area at the bottom. Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 20:20:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMCHb-0001lg-IL-0001nU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:20:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMCHb-0001lg-IL; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:17:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMCHb-0001lg-IL; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:17:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMCHN-0002AL-9m; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:16:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAIKGGS02806 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:16:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAIKGFJ02799 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:16:16 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AMCGl-0006cq-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:16:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:14:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PC to RPC References: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> <021d01c3ad04$c33ac930$01a8a8c0@tolkien> In-Reply-To: <021d01c3ad04$c33ac930$01a8a8c0@tolkien> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, So joining this discussion late... On Windows documents have extension .dpd and stylesheets .dps. The list of file types is in the Help topics, available from the OP menu bar. A stylesheet is just a document but when loaded the document pages (and the content) are thrown away. New pages are generated. Presumably this could almost be a tip, however I suspect that you'd end up with a lot of unused stuff in your document if you used the idea of retyping stylesheets. A real stylesheet has no document pages in it, just the master pages. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 22:20:53 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AME8i-0007lO-6x-00002Z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:20:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AME8i-0007lO-6x; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:16:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AME8i-0007lO-6x; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:16:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AME8c-0007nO-GG; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:15:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAIMFih15603 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:15:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAIMFiA15595 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:15:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AME8N-0001Kc-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:15:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:14:17 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scangap References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >a fraction wider than the nominal A4 - but the preview window >in DPlngScan misses a slice of it. The preview window is in the TWAIN driver... I'd suggest this, when you click on the Preview button in the TWAIN driver, a user defined scan is executed. You can load and redefine that scan just like any other user defined scan. The point being that if the preview scan is not set up to cover the full area of the scanner, you'll never get the full area in scans. A good thing about the Epson scanners is that the driver can read the max scan area, so setting an area that is too big is not a problem. With some scanners if you try to scan an area that is too big they hit the end stop etc. How do you redefine a user defined scan, open the user scan menu, click load->name, change the settings, user scan manu, click on save as->name. As we sit here at the end of the day, was this way of handling previews a good idea? It's very versatile, but few people ever got the idea, a few used it to totally mess things up, and many went glassy eyed at the concept. There is more about this in the manual. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 22:50:54 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMEZ7-0002t9-4t-0002uI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:50:54 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMEZ7-0002t9-4t; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:43:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMEZ7-0002t9-4t; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:43:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMEYx-0002Pv-3l; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:43:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAIMh7j25990 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:43:07 GMT Received: from expresso.netweaver.net (expresso.netweaver.net [217.151.99.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id hAIMh6b25986 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:43:06 GMT Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 10101 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2003 23:43:04 -0000 Received: from cpc4-hem12-3-0-cust133.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix) (john@thesandfords.me.uk@213.105.83.133) by 0 with SMTP; 18 Nov 2003 23:43:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:35:31 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scangap Message-ID: References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] > > As we sit here at the end of the day, was this way of handling previews > a good idea? It's very versatile, but few people ever got the idea, a > few used it to totally mess things up, and many went glassy eyed at the > concept. > > There is more about this in the manual. > > Yes I think is was, just required a serious think before making any changes and renameing the result so as not to screw things up. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group email hhrug@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 23:40:57 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMFNj-0004Q0-FB-0004Ro."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:40:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMFNj-0004Q0-FB; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:35:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMFNj-0004Q0-FB; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:35:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMFNa-0001P6-NF; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:35:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAINZO313410 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:35:24 GMT Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAINZNC13407 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:35:24 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.15.58] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA9066600AA; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:26:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:36:00 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scangap Message-ID: References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thank you very much, David. Your solution works! (No surprise there, then.) Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 18 23:40:57 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMFOs-0005iH-FY-0005jX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:40:57 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMFOs-0005iH-FY; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:36:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMFOs-0005iH-FY; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMFOp-0002Ox-Pu; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:36:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAINajU13892 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:36:45 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAINaid13888 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:36:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AMFOm-000DwZ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:36:44 +0000 Message-ID: <7CKGOKH4yqu$EwTb@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:35:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Impression DDF specification References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Does anyone know where Impression DDF is formally specified? I have this idea of once reading a very serious specification of DDF, but looking at my Publisher+ manual I can't find it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 19 14:17:28 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMMno-0001E2-Ci-0001F6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:17:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMMno-0001E2-Ci; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:31:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMMno-0001E2-Ci; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:31:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMMnd-0006xS-Q7; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:30:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAJ7UhV23634 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:30:43 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAJ7Uh123631 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:30:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC ([81.109.35.49]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031119073042.NQMJ13354.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:30:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:30:31 GMT From: Pete Bready To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Impression DDF specification Message-ID: <0763b0534c.pbready@ntlworld.com> References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <7CKGOKH4yqu$EwTb@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7CKGOKH4yqu$EwTb@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <7CKGOKH4yqu$EwTb@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know where Impression DDF is formally specified? > > I have this idea of once reading a very serious specification of DDF, > but looking at my Publisher+ manual I can't find it. > > I've a file called NEWDDF which appears to define DDF - can't remember where I got it from, though, it's just been lying in my Impression directory for years (dated Jan94). I'll send it to you off-list. Cheers -- PBready -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 19 14:17:33 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMP09-0005NC-GP-0005SK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:17:33 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMP09-0005NC-GP; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:52:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMP09-0005NC-GP; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:51:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMOzR-0000ir-IE; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:51:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAJ9p5d22677 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:51:05 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAJ9p3I22669 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:51:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.142.136] (helo=62.188.142.136) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMOzD-00057z-4m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:51:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Tim Rickard) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:01:26 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.33 for RISC OS 4.33 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro Upgrading Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear David, I've finally found time to attempt upgrading from 2.66 to 2.67 and beyond to 2.72. Never had a problem upgrading before. I'm getting a C63 error when I try to load !Freshen. What has happened? Please would you help? Using: RiscPC SA, Select 4.33 (Kernel 6.24) 2 x HDs, 37 and 19 GB and about 96RAM Many thanks, Tim Rickard -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 19 14:27:40 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMTHD-0002Qd-Gm-0002V8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:27:40 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMTHD-0002Qd-Gm; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:25:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMTHD-0002Qd-Gm; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:25:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMTGN-0003Zy-10; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:24:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAJEOeV14103 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:24:40 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAJEOd514094 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:24:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AMTG3-000MkE-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:24:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:23:06 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro Upgrading References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I'm getting a C63 error when I try to load !Freshen. What has happened? Please >would you help? I think this will be because you don't have the 32 bit C lib which is needed - see www.davidpilling.net/riscos.html Although I don't say this with much confidence, for one thing !Freshen should ensure the right C lib is loaded. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 19 14:37:23 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMTPK-0005TI-KI-0005VI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:37:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMTPK-0005TI-KI; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:34:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMTPK-0005TI-KI; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:34:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMTP9-0005dX-Pr; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:34:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAJEXWu19040 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:33:32 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAJEXRM19003 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:33:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AMTOY-000DmF-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:33:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:32:11 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Impression DDF specification References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <7CKGOKH4yqu$EwTb@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0763b0534c.pbready@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <0763b0534c.pbready@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've a file called NEWDDF which appears to define DDF - can't remember where >I got it from, though, it's just been lying in my Impression directory for >years (dated Jan94). I'll send it to you off-list. Thanks, that seems to be what I wanted. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 19 20:47:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMZCt-0005bh-4l-0005dc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:47:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMZCt-0005bh-4l; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:45:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMZCt-0005bh-4l; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:45:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMZCc-0004Bx-AL; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:45:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAJKig426163 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:44:42 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAJKifR26159 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:44:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.100.71] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMZBo-0004TM-3M for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:44:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:42:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: PC to RPC Message-ID: <4c535f0f7esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c52564656dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4c52564656dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16 Nov, Dave Symes wrote: > I'm on Win XP, what else ;-) I thought it it was "Windows for Teletubbies" not "Windows for Grumpies" ;-) -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 19 22:07:36 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMaPm-00045n-DG-00048y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:07:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMaPm-00045n-DG; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:03:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMaPm-00045n-DG; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:03:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMaPW-0004Ny-9P; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:02:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAJM2lL24299 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:02:47 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAJM2lp24287 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:02:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.225.3.48] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AMaPL-0009Oi-FT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:02:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:02:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PC to RPC Message-ID: <4c54003ae2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c535f0f7esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4c52564656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4c535f0f7esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c535f0f7esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 16 Nov, Dave Symes wrote: > > I'm on Win XP, what else ;-) > I thought it it was "Windows for Teletubbies" not "Windows for Grumpies" > ;-) Very good Mr P :-) Cheers Mr G -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 19 22:17:36 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMaUN-0006Vo-M6-0006WI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:17:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMaUN-0006Vo-M6; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:07:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMaUN-0006Vo-M6; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:07:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMaGI-000393-8J; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:53:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAJLrCo18750 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:53:12 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAJLrCI18746 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:53:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [80.225.3.48] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AMaG3-0008Fo-J0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:53:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:12:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PC to RPC Message-ID: <4c53f0b17cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <66f8aa4c4c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c522e7407dfs@ukgateway.net> <021d01c3ad04$c33ac930$01a8a8c0@tolkien> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > So joining this discussion late... > On Windows documents have extension .dpd and stylesheets .dps. The list > of file types is in the Help topics, available from the OP menu bar. > A stylesheet is just a document but when loaded the document pages (and > the content) are thrown away. New pages are generated. > Presumably this could almost be a tip, however I suspect that you'd end > up with a lot of unused stuff in your document if you used the idea of > retyping stylesheets. > A real stylesheet has no document pages in it, just the master pages. Thanks. As you and other my have gathered by now, the error was on my part. I took a style sheet template, constructed something on top of it, then took it to the PC version with a style sheet extension... forgetting the difference between .dpd and .dps. Anyway all is well now, and I've added .dpd and .dps to my collection on post-it notes stuck around the bezel of my monitor. :-) Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 19 23:17:39 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMbT1-0005M4-8R-0005Qn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:17:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMbT1-0005M4-8R; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:10:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMbT1-0005M4-8R; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:10:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMbS3-0006X6-4o; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:09:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAJN9TI20316 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:09:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAJN9Rh20308 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:09:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AMbRv-000EAo-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:09:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:09:20 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scangap Message-ID: <8c5606544c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 18 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > How do you redefine a user defined scan, open the user scan menu, click > load->name, change the settings, user scan manu, click on save as->name. > > As we sit here at the end of the day, was this way of handling previews > a good idea? It's very versatile, but few people ever got the idea, a > few used it to totally mess things up, and many went glassy eyed at the > concept. > > There is more about this in the manual. I have been using Twain and its enveloping application for years, still do. In particular it enables me to exchanges images happily with owners of entirely different machines. I manage to get acceptable results but must confess I do not use all the facilities. I have just given them a thrash and found one or two things I was unaware of and one or two I could not hack. Perhaps the trouble is that I never got the latest manual, as I got an early upgrade to Twain2. The Twain interface is highly complex with a vast load of magnificent facilities. So it is bound to have a steep learning curve. Perhaps it needed some simpler versions with much of it greyed out and fewer choices until the user was ready for the extras? But most RISC OS manuals are inadequate; it requires a particular skill to write them and take time and a load of dosh. I wonder sometimes if an interactive on-screen manual is better than a plain book, with modules for the various features. Perhaps the final answer is that this sort of thing needs some research into the best way of self-learning. What sort of learning aids are most successful? Do different people respond differently to different methods (in other words should there first be an exercise to see what _your_ best learning method is? Then use the manual with that method?) -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 19 23:27:43 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMbii-00052R-Fa-00053m."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:27:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMbii-00052R-Fa; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:26:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMbii-00052R-Fa; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:26:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMbie-0005v1-A7; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:26:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAJNQem25876 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:26:40 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAJNQel25873 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:26:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AMbiZ-000IfN-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:26:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:25:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scangap References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <8c5606544c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8c5606544c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >to write them and take time and a load of dosh. I wonder sometimes if >an interactive on-screen manual is better than a plain book, with >modules for the various features. Don't tell anyone but the later (last) versions of TWAIN 2 have a little interactive help bar along the bottom which tells you what the button the mouse is over does. (as long as you remember to toggle the window to full size). I think the final TWAIN 2 manual is one of my better efforts, since it contains the distilled wisdom of a few years experience. I'll send you a copy if you private email me your address. Comparing my T2 driver with the latest Epson driver for Windows, the Windows driver is much simpler, it will do everything for you given a chance, but on the other hand I miss some of the control the RISC OS driver gives. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 20 02:55:20 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMetU-0002ub-Jp-0002vt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:55:20 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMetU-0002ub-Jp; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:50:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMetU-0002ub-Jp; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:50:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMetI-0008Pe-4o; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:49:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAK2nia05383 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:49:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAK2niO05379 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:49:44 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AMet5-0008r3-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:49:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:48:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] New web stuff, DDF, OPWin References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <8c5606544c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Just to point out some new web site stuff... As you may be about to find out the current Ovation Pro for Windows expires on the 24th. November, there is a new one available now from; http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html I've been busy fixing lots of tiny redraw problems. This is painstaking work, and I'd not be surprised if I've created some new bugs. Thanks to the kindness of Paul Reuvers of XAT, I've been able to put the Impression DDF spec. on my web site at; http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/newddf.zip DDF is a nice way (i.e. for humans) to produce marked up text. Ovation Pro can import such files, and there are various RISC OS programs around which process it. XAT have of course taken over Impression. There's also a new version of ShrinkWrap available, version 0.06 from; http://www.davidpilling.net/sw.zip The web site is also moving over to ecommerce - on line credit card support, and being more Windows oriented. The ecommerce facility is not enabled yet, so ignore it. However the handy list of RISC OS things has moved to; http://www.davidpilling.net/riscos.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 20 17:00:19 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMs1B-0005nA-7W-00062U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:00:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMs1B-0005nA-7W; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:51:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMs1B-0005nA-7W; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:50:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMs0t-0002mx-L4; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:50:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAKGoJQ02170 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:50:19 GMT Received: from cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.21]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAKGoHt02148 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:50:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-4022.rhino.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.111.182] helo=riscpc) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AMs0P-0002pq-Dt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:50:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:41:17 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scangap Message-ID: <99ac50544c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <8c5606544c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8c5606544c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8c5606544c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message of 18 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > But most RISC OS manuals are inadequate; it requires a particular skill > to write them and take time and a load of dosh. I wonder sometimes if > an interactive on-screen manual is better than a plain book, with > modules for the various features. > > Perhaps the final answer is that this sort of thing needs some research > into the best way of self-learning. What sort of learning aids are most > successful? Do different people respond differently to different > methods (in other words should there first be an exercise to see what > _your_ best learning method is? Then use the manual with that method?) This is of course a more general problem than just RISC OS. Online help seems to have replaced the manuals, and fails for the following reasons. When I started managing VMS (an operating system on what was them midrange systems, hundreds of users, using text interfaces), the system had two sets of manuals for the applications. There was the "User Manual" which explained how to do things, and the "Reference Manual" which explained in detail what each command did. The user manual is what you learn the application or language from. The reference manual is what you use when you are reasonably proficient and want the details of a command. StrongHelp manuals, seem to be online versions of the reference manual. Windows help is similar. VMS help is the same - in fact it is a screen-at-a-time version of the reference manual, word for word. Hence the appeals on newsgroups for "How do I do..." The now non-existent user manuals are for this. One very good example of a user manual is on the Ovation Pro CD in the Manuals section. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 20 17:30:21 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AMsUZ-00052g-JB-00056d."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:30:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AMsUZ-00052g-JB; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:21:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AMsUZ-00052g-JB; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:21:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AMsUQ-00066E-1l; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:21:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAKHL5T14861 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:21:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAKHL4M14856 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:21:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AMsUH-0001TX-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:21:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:20:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] scangap Message-ID: <4c546a4818john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99ac50544c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <8c5606544c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <99ac50544c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 20 Nov, Alan Adams wrote: > The user manual is what you learn the application or language from. The > reference manual is what you use when you are reasonably proficient and > want the details of a command. > StrongHelp manuals, seem to be online versions of the reference manual. > Windows help is similar. > VMS help is the same - in fact it is a screen-at-a-time version of the > reference manual, word for word. > Hence the appeals on newsgroups for "How do I do..." The now > non-existent user manuals are for this. Which is where good magazines come in... ;-) -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 02:10:46 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AN0e9-0000jf-MR-0000kw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:10:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AN0e9-0000jf-MR; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:03:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AN0e9-0000jf-MR; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:03:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AN0dg-0003sX-O9; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:03:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAL22J319080 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:02:19 GMT Received: from smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net (smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.76]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAL22J619076 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:02:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 213-193-182-211.adsl.easynet.be ([213.193.182.211] helo=Iota) by smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AN0ck-0005bd-S6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:02:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:06:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS: 'Duplicate char in translation table' Message-ID: <4c549a5ba5sclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Platform: Iyonix pc X-Processor: Xscale 80321 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello, What does the following error mean? 'Duplicate char in translation table' I'm using SparkFS 1.39 (09-Oct-2002). Is there a workaround? Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 02:40:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AN1Bm-0003r3-3H-0003uW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:40:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AN1Bm-0003r3-3H; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:38:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AN1Bm-0003r3-3H; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:38:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AN1Bd-0006KN-9h; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:38:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAL2bvX24880 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:37:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAL2bvA24875 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:37:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AN1BE-0006GL-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:37:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:36:42 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: 'Duplicate char in translation table' References: <4c549a5ba5sclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4c549a5ba5sclaes@aaug.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >'Duplicate char in translation table' >I'm using SparkFS 1.39 (09-Oct-2002). >Is there a workaround? By gum we talked of little else in 1989. ISTR that there is a possible extension to uucode where you can have a little table of characters at the start - visible in uucode generated by SparkFS (dim memory this can be switched on/off). Anyway it's duplicates in that. However I also dimly remember this is more likely to happen when SparkFS identifies something which is not uucode as uucode. So really comes down to what are you trying to do? (and a workaround will then follow). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 13:57:03 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AN6cP-0005C3-ES-0005Eg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:57:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AN6cP-0005C3-ES; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:26:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AN6cP-0005C3-ES; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:26:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AN6c4-0001Ix-8o; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:26:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAL8PkV13098 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:25:46 GMT Received: from mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAL8Pjf13094 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:25:45 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59837406954 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:27:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26288-01-52 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:27:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC (unknown [81.168.120.122]) by mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D534061BA for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:27:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:25:35 GMT From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 13:57:22 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANBZv-0003HU-MJ-0003KB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:57:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANBZv-0003HU-MJ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:44:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANBZv-0003HU-MJ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:44:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANBZQ-0004EY-L2; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:43:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALDhIS08459 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:43:18 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALDhIm08453 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:43:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng7.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANBZ6-0006lV-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:43:16 +0100 Received: from [172.184.136.18] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANBZ5-0006Qp-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:43:16 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:42:26 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Martin Devon wrote: > Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? You need a Latin-2 font. The ROM fonts Trinity, Homerton and Corpus can serve many different encodings, not only the Latin-1 encoding you normally use. They have all the Latin-2 glyphs as well. Unfortunately, I do not think OP allows you to use them. However, just for fun, press F12, type "*alphabet latin2", then Return. Then, load "!Chars" and choose one of the ROM fonts - they will then be displayed with Latin2 encoding instead of the standard Latin1 and if you want you can use them in OP and print them. You can switch back to your standard Latin1 environment using "*alphabet Latin1". However, this is not a real solution. OP could give you an encoding menu, so you could have Latin1 and Latin2 in one document, and, more importantly, you could use Latin2 fonts while your main environment is Latin1 (as is normally the case). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 14:06:39 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANBvO-0006uk-Ga-0006y9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:06:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANBvO-0006uk-Ga; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:06:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANBvO-0006uk-Ga; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:06:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANBvH-0002qR-HI; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:06:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALE65V18756 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:06:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALE64q18748 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:06:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANBv9-0007J3-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:06:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:04:37 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? >However, this is not a real solution. OP could give you an encoding menu, >so you could have Latin1 and Latin2 in one document, and, more So this is the day when someone actually finds a use for one of the extra characters (i.e. more than 256) in the standard RISC OS fonts... This may be wishful thinking to hide my shame at not providing the above feature, but I wonder if it is possible to generate a pseudo font one which looks to OP like a normal font but actually is a font with a (non-standard) encoding. Off hand the only program I can think of that supports encodings is Techwriter, maybe ArtWorks? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 14:16:37 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANC3n-0001Xq-MG-0001YT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:16:37 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANC3n-0001Xq-MG; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:15:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANC3n-0001Xq-MG; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:14:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANC3f-00011F-G3; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:14:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALEERL21858 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:14:27 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALEEPE21853 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:14:26 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-2-dialup-41.spectraweb.ch [194.230.154.41]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id hALEENlW014322 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:14:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:12:55 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri 21 Nov, Martin Devon wrote: > > Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? Go to the Command line , the type: Alphabet Latin2 Press You'll probably find all the letters you need when using the following fonts: Corpus, Homerton, Sassoon and Trinity This should work for written material. Electronic documents (drawings etc.) can give problems as top-bit-set-characters are used. EFF have a special version of the font Times named: EFF Times Latin2 Here you have the same problem. Plus that the receiver would need to have that font as well. This font does not have the Euro symbol (at least not my version; has maybe been updated by now). JMvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 14:46:39 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANCQF-0003c0-9A-0003ik."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:46:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANCQF-0003c0-9A; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:38:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANCQF-0003c0-9A; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:38:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANCPR-0004Ro-Fz; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:37:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALEbAp31862 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:37:10 GMT Received: from mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALEb9S31855 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:37:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F759406BCA for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:38:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25310-01-16 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:38:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC (unknown [81.168.120.191]) by mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58DA406B59 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:38:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:36:08 GMT From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Martin Devon wrote: > > Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? > > You need a Latin-2 font. > > The ROM fonts Trinity, Homerton and Corpus can serve many different > encodings, not only the Latin-1 encoding you normally use. They have all > the Latin-2 glyphs as well. > Unfortunately, I do not think OP allows you to use them. However, just for > fun, press F12, type "*alphabet latin2", then Return. Then, load "!Chars" > and choose one of the ROM fonts - they will then be displayed with Latin2 > encoding instead of the standard Latin1 and if you want you can use them > in OP and print them. You can switch back to your standard Latin1 > environment using "*alphabet Latin1". Thank you, Martin, for this advice. It works. Unfortunately none of the other 200 or so fonts I have appears to have latin2 characters as well, but the ROM fonts will suffice for now. What is more, OPro seems perfectly happy using the ROM fonts with latin2 encoding. I have a finished document to prove it... > > However, this is not a real solution. OP could give you an encoding menu, > so you could have Latin1 and Latin2 in one document, and, more > importantly, you could use Latin2 fonts while your main environment is > Latin1 (as is normally the case). Is that an opportunity for a unique selling advantage for OPro? -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 16:16:46 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANDon-0005PI-JW-0005Q3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:16:46 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANDon-0005PI-JW; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:07:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANDon-0005PI-JW; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:07:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANDnx-0003XU-Ms; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:06:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALG6Zg08872 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:06:35 GMT Received: from smtp08.wxs.nl (smtp08.wxs.nl [195.121.6.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALG6X808847 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:06:33 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOP006Q9M0B9M@smtp08.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:05:00 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:07:57 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] czech font? In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c54e76e97paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > but I wonder if it is possible to generate a pseudo font one > which looks to OP like a normal font but actually is a font with a > (non-standard) encoding. Yes, it is possible indeed. Those fonts are generally known as East-fonts. For example, I use the Optima East Roman since years, especially for the hacek and some other diacritics. It means, that the latin 2 characters are available under the normal latin 1 encoding. I've never tried to construct a similar Homerton or Trinity font myself, but I expect it to be possible without too much effort. By the way, there is an applet, called Critic, written by R. Thompson, that lets you create haceks and a nearly infinite number of other diacritics in any chosen font. The only drawback is that it affects line spacing. But in cases where line spacing is not vital, this tool is really invaluable. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 16:26:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANDzE-0001BK-A7-00028Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:26:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANDzE-0001BK-A7; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:19:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANDzE-0001BK-A7; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:18:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANDyi-0004iS-5X; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:17:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALGHiW13612 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:17:44 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALGHhI13606 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:17:43 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=35023 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANDyZ-0000qz-Ag for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:17:43 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55876 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANDyW-0006qZ-JQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:17:40 +0100 Message-ID: <002101c3af82$04c0f670$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:19:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, November 21, 2003 3:36 PM, Martin Devon wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> Martin Devon wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek > etc? >> >> You need a Latin-2 font. >> The name of the character is different. Not c-hacek. You can see the names -and which glyphs and which Encodings are supported- in Resources.$.Fonts.Encodings. Click menu on the Apps icon to get there. >> The ROM fonts Trinity, Homerton and Corpus can serve many different >> encodings, not only the Latin-1 encoding you normally use. They have >> all the Latin-2 glyphs as well. > >> Unfortunately, I do not think OP allows you to use them. However, >> just for fun, press F12, type "*alphabet latin2", then Return. Then, >> load "!Chars" and choose one of the ROM fonts - they will then be >> displayed with Latin2 encoding instead of the standard Latin1 and if you >> want you can use them in OP and print them. You can switch back to your >> standard Latin1 environment using "*alphabet Latin1". Switching to another Alphabet (Encoding) applies this Encoding to any program in use for all multi-language fonts (Base0 fonts) with Intmetric0 and Outlines0 as names in the font folders. Of course as far as these glyphs are present in the Base0 font. > Thank you, Martin, for this advice. It works. Unfortunately none of > the other 200 or so fonts I have appears to have latin2 characters as > well, but the ROM fonts will suffice for now. PC Type1 Fonts with multilingual characters and converted with T1toFont to Acorn Extended Encoding can also be used and give the same outcome as the Base0 fonts in ROM. When you have such Type1 fonts (.pfb extension, RISC OS filetype PostScript), you normally also have an .afm file. This is a text file and contains a listing of all characters in the font. Same names as you can see in RISC OS Encodings files. Not all Latin1 fonts have Acorn Latin1 Encoding. EFF and iSV fonts come with their own Latin1 Encoding. And of course, e.g. Latin1 used in Windows is also different for the characters 128 ...159. > What is more, OPro seems perfectly happy using the ROM fonts with > latin2 encoding. I have a finished document to prove it... This is true for all programs, which use outline fonts. >> However, this is not a real solution. OP could give you an encoding >> menu, so you could have Latin1 and Latin2 in one document, and, more >> importantly, you could use Latin2 fonts while your main environment >> is Latin1 (as is normally the case). Yes, it would be nice to have an encoding menu in *all* programs. I prefer to get it in the same way as we have a choice in e.g. font size. Where the configured *Alphabet is applied to the whole environment, except when another Encoding is applied in a document or for a part of the document. It would be nice, when these offered Encodings would be extended with e.g. EFF and iSV Latin1 and also the default Windows Encodings. This would make a switch between e.g. Trinity.Medium (now only with Acorn Latin1 Encoding) to an EFF font possible. This would also make exchange between Windows/Risc OS much easier, when a document in RISC OS already could be made with Windows character set. No character mapping needed. And with more Encodings PostScript printing would also be supported. > Is that an opportunity for a unique selling advantage for OPro? Time for Unicode support? In OP on both platforms? Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 17:26:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANEyd-0006pK-HR-0006sU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:26:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANEyd-0006pK-HR; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:21:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANEyd-0006pK-HR; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:21:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANEyH-0007Gv-FN; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:21:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALHL2s08457 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:21:02 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALHL2Q08449 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:21:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-ls-1-1-dialup-57.spectraweb.ch [194.230.224.57]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id hALHL0lW001857 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:21:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:20:51 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri 21 Nov, Martin Devon wrote: > > Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? Coming back to my earlier message. Just read the comments from David Pilling and Martin Wuerthner. The problem raised by these two experts does not arise when using the font I mentioned (EFF Times Latin2) because the font is under Latin1 coding. EFF has other fonts as well that will suit you. Ask them. (Try to get info; is an old address.) JMvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 17:36:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANF6p-0001Qe-8w-0001V8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:36:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANF6p-0001Qe-8w; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANF6p-0001Qe-8w; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANF6l-0001mg-Sd; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALHUC511724 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:12 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALHUCF11718 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng6.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANF6g-0003Xs-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:30:10 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.146] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANF6g-0004T6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:30:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:28:04 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <1cc4ee544c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c54e76e97paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4c54e76e97paul@delink.nl> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c54e76e97paul@delink.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > but I wonder if it is possible to generate a pseudo font one > > which looks to OP like a normal font but actually is a font with a > > (non-standard) encoding. > > Yes, it is possible indeed. Those fonts are generally known as > East-fonts. Of course, one can build fonts that contain these other characters, but this is not what David suggested. The ROM fonts do have all the required characters but the application has to ask for a specific, different encoding if it wants to make use of them. David suggested that this encoding request could somehow be faked from outside, so this could be used without having to add code in OP. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 17:36:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANF6q-00047N-EK-0004Ab."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:36:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANF6q-00047N-EK; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANF6q-00047N-EK; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANF6l-0000RG-Sx; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALHUBa11713 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:12 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALHUAX11709 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng0.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANF6g-0004jG-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:30:10 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.146] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANF6f-0004T6-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:30:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:26:00 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? > >However, this is not a real solution. OP could give you an encoding menu, > >so you could have Latin1 and Latin2 in one document, and, more > > So this is the day when someone actually finds a use for one of the > extra characters (i.e. more than 256) in the standard RISC OS fonts... > > This may be wishful thinking to hide my shame at not providing the above > feature, but I wonder if it is possible to generate a pseudo font one > which looks to OP like a normal font but actually is a font with a > (non-standard) encoding. Tricky. The FontManager does not allow this as far as I know. However, if OP passes the font name it finds in a document straight to the FontManager, then of course, changing the font name from Homerton.Medium to \ELatin2\FHomerton.Medium in the document will cause the desired effect. > Off hand the only program I can think of that supports encodings is > Techwriter, maybe ArtWorks? Vantage supports encodings. I wish ArtWorks 2 did. It has been on my to do list for a while. My !Chars replacement !XChars has an encoding menu so you can at least look at the alternative encodings that are offered by RISC OS. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 17:46:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANFEp-0005b3-EN-0005dR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:46:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANFEp-0005b3-EN; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:38:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANFEp-0005b3-EN; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:38:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANFEg-0002OZ-4T; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:38:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALHcLt14591 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:38:21 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALHcL214584 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:38:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANFEa-0003np-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:38:20 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.146] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANFEa-0004Et-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:38:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:37:42 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Martin Devon wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > However, this is not a real solution. OP could give you an encoding menu, > > so you could have Latin1 and Latin2 in one document, and, more > > importantly, you could use Latin2 fonts while your main environment is > > Latin1 (as is normally the case). > > Is that an opportunity for a unique selling advantage for OPro? Well, OPro has so many unique selling advantages already, so another rather exotic one would not really make a big difference. If you consider that adding an encoding menu to a RISC OS application is fairly trivial (the FontManager has offered this functionality since RISC OS 3.1) but only two or three apps offer one, then you can perhaps imagine what an enormous demand there is for such a feature. I do not think anyone has ever asked me for an encoding menu in ArtWorks, but I would still like to add that one day because I myself would like to have it. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 17:46:48 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANFFG-0002uw-Kl-0002wV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:46:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANFFG-0002uw-Kl; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:39:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANFFG-0002uw-Kl; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:39:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANFEf-0006PD-Uy; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:38:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALHcL514595 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:38:21 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALHcLd14589 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:38:21 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng7.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANFEa-00019n-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:38:20 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.146] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANFEZ-0004Et-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:38:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:33:19 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <3e3fef544c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Fri 21 Nov, Martin Devon wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? > > Coming back to my earlier message. > > Just read the comments from David Pilling and Martin Wuerthner. > > The problem raised by these two experts does not arise when using the > font I mentioned (EFF Times Latin2) because the font is under Latin1 > coding. EFF has other fonts as well that will suit you. Ask them. > > (Try to get info; is an old address.) Yes, good point. Using a dedicated Latin-2 font is the proper solution of course. It will cost a bit of money though. However, at least you are not restricted to the ROM fonts then - I think EFF can sell you Latin-2 versions of most of their fonts. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 18:46:50 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANGAp-0001F0-5w-0001GS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:46:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANGAp-0001F0-5w; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:38:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANGAp-0001F0-5w; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:38:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANGA6-0006hB-JQ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:37:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALIbIa02941 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:37:18 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALIbIA02938 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:37:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=54755 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANG9d-0000b9-BT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:37:17 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55912 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANG9b-0008Mn-Qw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:37:15 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c3af95$84cd2290$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:32:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, November 21, 2003 6:20 PM, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Fri 21 Nov, Martin Devon wrote: >> >> Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? > > Coming back to my earlier message. > > Just read the comments from David Pilling and Martin Wuerthner. > > The problem raised by these two experts does not arise when using the > font I mentioned (EFF Times Latin2) because the font is under Latin1 > coding. EFF has other fonts as well that will suit you. Ask them. It doesn't come under Latin1 Encoding. It comes with Latin2 Encoding. Encoding for a 8 bit font contains a codetable for 256 characters. Acorn Latin1 is such an encoding. As is EFF latin1. Acorn Latin2 is such an Encoding. And EFF Latin2. Risc OS fontmanager let you display a maximum of 256 characters for each choice of font. Which 256 characters are displayed from a Base0 font, is set with *Alphabet. Which 256 characters are displayed from a font, that contains 256 characters depends on the characters, which are actually present in a font. When you print to PostScript, the PostScript printer needs to know, which encoding is present. Default is Acorn Latin1 or what is set in *Alphabet. When you use a font with 256 characters, in which the characters aren't ordened as in Acorn Latin1, you need an Encoding file inside the font folder. You can see this in e.g. Selwyn and Symbol. But also in all EFF fonts: EFF Latin1 in most cases. EFF Latin2 in eg. EFF Times Latin2. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 18:46:50 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANGB2-0001UO-4s-0001Vd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:46:50 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANGB2-0001UO-4s; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:38:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANGB2-0001UO-4s; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:38:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANGA6-0005VN-Pf; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:37:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALIbI102937 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:37:18 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALIbHB02934 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:37:17 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=54754 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANG9d-00063O-BP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:37:17 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55912 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANG9c-0008Mn-38 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:37:16 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c3af95$84f59220$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:38:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Friday, November 21, 2003 3:04 PM, David Pilling wrote: >>> Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? >> However, this is not a real solution. OP could give you an encoding >> menu, so you could have Latin1 and Latin2 in one document, and, more > > So this is the day when someone actually finds a use for one of the > extra characters (i.e. more than 256) in the standard RISC OS fonts... > > This may be wishful thinking to hide my shame at not providing the > above feature, but I wonder if it is possible to generate a pseudo > font one which looks to OP like a normal font but actually is a font > with a (non-standard) encoding. With Fontfiend you can extract (and save as a separate font) other 256-chars encodings from a Base0 font. The defined ones inside Fontfiend or encodings, that you define yourself. You can do the same with !T1toFont for conversion of PC Type1 fonts, when you add the Encodings, that you want. In both cases, it is advisable to keep (or add) the Encoding to the font folder, so, that it can be used for PostScript printing. Only changing characters IN a 256 character font, isn't always enough. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 19:26:52 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANGth-0002bO-9N-0002de."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:26:52 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANGth-0002bO-9N; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:24:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANGth-0002bO-9N; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:24:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANGtN-0001dp-DH; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:24:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALJO4j18488 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:24:04 GMT Received: from smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net (smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.76]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALJO3218481 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:24:03 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 213-193-182-211.adsl.easynet.be ([213.193.182.211] helo=Iota) by smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANGst-0007Hr-1Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:24:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:26:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: 'Duplicate char in translation table' Message-ID: <4c54f99b4csclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4c549a5ba5sclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Platform: Iyonix pc X-Processor: Xscale 80321 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >'Duplicate char in translation table' > >I'm using SparkFS 1.39 (09-Oct-2002). > >Is there a workaround? > By gum we talked of little else in 1989. ISTR that there is a possible > extension to uucode where you can have a little table of characters at > the start - visible in uucode generated by SparkFS (dim memory this can > be switched on/off). Anyway it's duplicates in that. > However I also dimly remember this is more likely to happen when SparkFS > identifies something which is not uucode as uucode. > So really comes down to what are you trying to do? (and a workaround > will then follow). I'm trying to read a rather large (7M) compressed /TGZ file. AIUI it is a compressed (zip) tar file. If I drag it to the SparkFS icon on the icon bar, SparkFS decompresses the file by writing a second file /T00. This file is 62M big. Then it stops. If I drag that file to the SparkFS icon on the icon bar, SparkFS issues that error (not immediately though). If I set the filetype of the uncompressed file to tar (&C46), I get another error: 'Unidentified header type found' The file is too large to send by email, but I could upload the file to my website... -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 21:46:59 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANJ1U-0000s1-KE-0000tv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:46:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANJ1U-0000s1-KE; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:41:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANJ1U-0000s1-KE; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:41:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANJ1L-0008Kg-Vl; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:40:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALLeOe11761 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:40:24 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (mailrelay03.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.31]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALLeNq11756 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:40:23 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-ls-1-2-dialup-208.spectraweb.ch [194.230.225.208]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.12.9/8.12.6) with SMTP id hALLeLlW005400 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:40:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:39:57 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <002801c3af95$84cd2290$6502a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thu 20 Nov, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > On Friday, November 21, 2003 6:20 PM, > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > On Fri 21 Nov, Martin Devon wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? > > > > Coming back to my earlier message. > > > > Just read the comments from David Pilling and Martin Wuerthner. > > > > The problem raised by these two experts does not arise when using the > > font I mentioned (EFF Times Latin2) because the font is under Latin1 > > coding. EFF has other fonts as well that will suit you. Ask them. > > It doesn't come under Latin1 Encoding. > It comes with Latin2 Encoding. Technicalities aside, the point is that 'EFF Times Latin2' produces the desired characters when the computer has been set to use Alphabet Latin1, on screen and in print. Also by OvnPro... JMvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 21 22:07:00 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANJKo-0006DT-EO-0006G4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:07:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANJKo-0006DT-EO; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:01:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANJKo-0006DT-EO; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:01:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANJKS-0007Gr-7c; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:00:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hALLxrI19197 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:59:53 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hALLxq319189 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:59:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANJJf-000HtE-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:59:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:58:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: 'Duplicate char in translation table' References: <4c549a5ba5sclaes@aaug.net> <4c54f99b4csclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4c54f99b4csclaes@aaug.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I'm trying to read a rather large (7M) compressed /TGZ file. AIUI it is a >compressed (zip) tar file. If I drag it to the SparkFS icon on the icon bar, >SparkFS decompresses the file by writing a second file /T00. This file >is 62M big. Then it stops. If I drag that file to the SparkFS icon on the >icon bar, SparkFS issues that error (not immediately though). >If I set the filetype of the uncompressed file to tar (&C46), I get another >error: 'Unidentified header type found' That's a reasonable explanation. SparkFS un GZips it, and then attempts to identify what is produced. As you found what is produced is not a good Tar file, so eventually SparkFS will try to make it be a uucode file and that fails with an error. What would I do? Undo the GZip stuff yourself. Hold down Shift and drag the file to the SparkFS icon bar icon. Now on what is produced, you can settype it to Tar and see what SparkFS does. My inclination would be to load the file into Edit and see if it ends with a 512 byte block of zeros which Tar should do (ISTR), using Edit you fix any corruption. This is only going to work on a machine with a lot of memory though. Plan B might be to use a command line tar program (Frank Lancaster's) because that will just untar stuff as it goes rather than wanting the whole file to be intact. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 00:57:08 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANM1N-00025l-DG-00029B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:57:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANM1N-00025l-DG; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:53:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANM1N-00025l-DG; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:53:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANM1G-0007hH-Nc; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:53:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAM0qqA17742 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:52:52 GMT Received: from smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net (smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.76]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAM0qq717736 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:52:52 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 213-193-182-211.adsl.easynet.be ([213.193.182.211] helo=Iota) by smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANM15-0000je-MP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:52:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:56:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: 'Duplicate char in translation table' Message-ID: <4c5517c8fesclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4c549a5ba5sclaes@aaug.net> <4c54f99b4csclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Platform: Iyonix pc X-Processor: Xscale 80321 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > I'm trying to read a rather large (7M) compressed /TGZ file. AIUI it is a > > compressed (zip) tar file. If I drag it to the SparkFS icon on the icon > > bar, SparkFS decompresses the file by writing a second file /T00. This > > file is 62M big. Then it stops. If I drag that file to the SparkFS icon > > on the icon bar, SparkFS issues that error (not immediately though). If I > > set the filetype of the uncompressed file to tar (&C46), I get another > > error: 'Unidentified header type found' > That's a reasonable explanation. SparkFS un GZips it, and then attempts > to identify what is produced. As you found what is produced is not a > good Tar file, so eventually SparkFS will try to make it be a uucode > file and that fails with an error. > What would I do? Undo the GZip stuff yourself. Hold down Shift and drag > the file to the SparkFS icon bar icon. > Now on what is produced, you can settype it to Tar and see what SparkFS > does. It doesn't make a difference: I still get the error 'Duplicate char in translation table' > My inclination would be to load the file into Edit and see if it ends > with a 512 byte block of zeros which Tar should do (ISTR), using Edit > you fix any corruption. It ends with 5799 zeros > This is only going to work on a machine with a lot of memory though. That's not the problem. I can load the file in Zap, but fixing the corruption... I haven't verify the whole file, but it doesn't look corrupted at all. > Plan B might be to use a command line tar program (Frank Lancaster's) > because that will just untar stuff as it goes rather than wanting the > whole file to be intact. OK I will try that. -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 01:37:12 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANMaT-0000VY-Ev-0000WX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:37:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANMaT-0000VY-Ev; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:29:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANMaT-0000VY-Ev; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:29:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANMaA-0002DE-0Z; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:29:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAM1T0x24115 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:29:00 GMT Received: from smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net (smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.76]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAM1SxP24112 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:28:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 213-193-182-211.adsl.easynet.be ([213.193.182.211] helo=Iota) by smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANMa3-0001gl-98 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:28:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:31:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: 'Duplicate char in translation table' Message-ID: <4c551b110fsclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4c5517c8fesclaes@aaug.net> References: <4c549a5ba5sclaes@aaug.net> <4c54f99b4csclaes@aaug.net> <4c5517c8fesclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Platform: Iyonix pc X-Processor: Xscale 80321 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 22 Nov, Stefaan Claes wrote: > On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > > Plan B might be to use a command line tar program (Frank Lancaster's) > > because that will just untar stuff as it goes rather than wanting the > > whole file to be intact. > OK I will try that. It doesn't work either. *tar -tvf PKGSRC/TGZ tar: directory checksum error (68524 != 64390) Option i to ignore the checksum errors doesn't seem to work. Anyway: it isn't that important: I guess I better forget about it. :-/ -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 01:47:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANMoE-0002V3-Cq-0002X0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:47:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANMoE-0002V3-Cq; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:43:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANMoE-0002V3-Cq; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:43:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANMoA-0003wP-2z; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:43:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAM1hUY26260 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:43:30 GMT Received: from smtp2.es.uci.edu (smtp2.es.uci.edu [128.200.80.5]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAM1hTm26256 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:43:30 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [128.200.31.21] (toy.ps.uci.edu [128.200.31.21]) by smtp2.es.uci.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAM1hQom032079 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:43:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4c551b110fsclaes@aaug.net> References: <4c549a5ba5sclaes@aaug.net> <4c54f99b4csclaes@aaug.net> <4c5517c8fesclaes@aaug.net> <4c551b110fsclaes@aaug.net> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:43:24 -0800 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phil Dennison Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: 'Duplicate char in translation table' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-UCIRVINE-MailScanner: No viruses found Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >On 22 Nov, Stefaan Claes wrote: > >> On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >[snip] >> > Plan B might be to use a command line tar program (Frank Lancaster's) >> > because that will just untar stuff as it goes rather than wanting the >> > whole file to be intact. > >> OK I will try that. > >It doesn't work either. > > *tar -tvf PKGSRC/TGZ > tar: directory checksum error (68524 != 64390) > >Option i to ignore the checksum errors doesn't seem to work. Anyway: >it isn't that important: I guess I better forget about it. :-/ > You'll have to 'gunzip' the file first, which should result in PKGSRC/tar and then try 'tar xvf'. Regards, Phil. -- Phil Dennison Sid Griffin website :- http://www.sidgriffin.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 02:37:13 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANNUb-0004pp-Ek-0004sA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:37:13 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANNUb-0004pp-Ek; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:27:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANNUb-0004pp-Ek; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:27:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANNU2-0000WG-0j; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:26:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAM2QGt32385 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:26:16 GMT Received: from smtp3.mail.be.easynet.net (bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.67]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAM2QFl32382 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:26:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from 213-193-182-211.adsl.easynet.be ([213.193.182.211] helo=Iota) by smtp3.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANNTT-0006xu-7b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:26:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:28:23 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: 'Duplicate char in translation table' Message-ID: <4c55203bd0sclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4c549a5ba5sclaes@aaug.net> <4c54f99b4csclaes@aaug.net> <4c5517c8fesclaes@aaug.net> <4c551b110fsclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Platform: Iyonix pc X-Processor: Xscale 80321 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 22 Nov, Phil Dennison wrote: > >On 22 Nov, Stefaan Claes wrote: > > > >> On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > >[snip] > >> > Plan B might be to use a command line tar program (Frank Lancaster's) > >> > because that will just untar stuff as it goes rather than wanting the > >> > whole file to be intact. > > > >> OK I will try that. > > > >It doesn't work either. > > > > *tar -tvf PKGSRC/TGZ > > tar: directory checksum error (68524 != 64390) > > > >Option i to ignore the checksum errors doesn't seem to work. Anyway: > >it isn't that important: I guess I better forget about it. :-/ > > > You'll have to 'gunzip' the file first, which should result in > PKGSRC/tar and then try 'tar xvf'. Oops, right. It should have been tar -tvf PKGSRC/T00... I was aware that it should have been decompressed first: I just used the wrong filename by mistake. (SparkFS already decompressed the /TGP file but it couldn't handle this decompressed file) Thanks a lot for pointing this out. > Regards, > Phil. cheers, Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 02:37:14 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANNdH-0000GJ-Fi-0000IH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:37:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANNdH-0000GJ-Fi; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:36:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANNdH-0000GJ-Fi; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:36:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANNdD-0001Pz-Rm; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:36:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAM2Zum01198 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:35:56 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAM2Zue01195 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:35:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANNcq-000CVV-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:35:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:34:55 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS: 'Duplicate char in translation table' References: <4c549a5ba5sclaes@aaug.net> <4c54f99b4csclaes@aaug.net> <4c5517c8fesclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4c5517c8fesclaes@aaug.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Now on what is produced, you can settype it to Tar and see what SparkFS >> does. >It doesn't make a difference: I still get the error 'Duplicate char in >translation table' I'm kind of surprised by that. One of the things about SparkFS is that if you give something an archive file type it takes your word for it and doesn't attempt to work out the type. The translation table error is SparkFS saying that it can't work out what type the file is. Also I thought you said that you got an unidentified header message using the other route. So you may not have the tar module loaded this time, or maybe something went awry. >It ends with 5799 zeros Plenty. Lots of scope for corruption in transit, or for the original to be a dud. However also fair to point out that tar is not very standardised. SparkFS doesn't read every one, probably few tar programs do. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 13:50:59 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANVkq-0003Eq-84-0003Go."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:50:59 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANVkq-0003Eq-84; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:16:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANVkq-0003Eq-84; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:16:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANVkW-0003jl-QV; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:16:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAMBGFd27115 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:16:15 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAMBGE727109 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:16:14 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANVkM-0006hD-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:16:14 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.134] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANVkL-0000Iy-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:16:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:07:42 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Thu 20 Nov, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 21, 2003 6:20 PM, > > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > > > On Fri 21 Nov, Martin Devon wrote: > > >> > > >> Does anyone know of a font to use with OPro which has c-hacek etc? > > > > > > Coming back to my earlier message. > > > > > > Just read the comments from David Pilling and Martin Wuerthner. > > > > > > The problem raised by these two experts does not arise when using the > > > font I mentioned (EFF Times Latin2) because the font is under Latin1 > > > coding. EFF has other fonts as well that will suit you. Ask them. > > > > It doesn't come under Latin1 Encoding. > > It comes with Latin2 Encoding. > > Technicalities aside, the point is that 'EFF Times Latin2' produces the > desired characters when the computer has been set to use Alphabet > Latin1, on screen and in print. Also by OvnPro... Yes, as Tonnie has pointed out, that is because it is a Latin2 font. Whatever the computer has been set to does not matter for most fonts since they have a fixed encoding. The *alphabet setting only matters when an application uses a multi-encoding font and does not specify which encoding it wants. Doing so is actually a bad idea because the appearance of the document changes depending on the *alphabet setting. Unfortunately, as described earlier, most applications do not care about encodings - which is not surprising since most users do not care about encodings. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 13:51:01 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANW36-0006KO-IC-0006Lh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:51:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANW36-0006KO-IC; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:35:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANW36-0006KO-IC; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:35:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANW2p-0005yk-CX; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:35:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAMBZFS00845 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:35:15 GMT Received: from smtp07.wxs.nl (smtp07.wxs.nl [195.121.6.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAMBZF500842 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:35:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp07.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOR006HG46Q1I@smtp07.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:35:15 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:37:09 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] czech font? In-reply-to: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Unfortunately, as described earlier, most applications do not care about > encodings - which is not surprising since most users do not care about > encodings. I don't intend to drag the discussion to a more philosophical level, but perhaps the reverse might be relevant too: most users don't care about encodings, since most applications simply don't support them. This is at least true for me. I would warmly welcome multiple encodings! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 13:51:08 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANXho-0003nh-B4-0003px."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:51:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANXho-0003nh-B4; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:21:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANXho-0003nh-B4; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:21:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANXhE-0007u2-5H; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:21:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAMDL2G01942 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:21:02 GMT Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAMDL0I01935 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:21:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=52557 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANXh6-0003zo-5L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:21:00 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55181 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANXh4-0005Hu-Vc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:20:58 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01c3b032$801fd8d0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:51:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:37 PM, Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> Unfortunately, as described earlier, most applications do not care >> about encodings - which is not surprising since most users do not >> care about encodings. > > I don't intend to drag the discussion to a more philosophical level, > but perhaps the reverse might be relevant too: most users don't care > about encodings, since most applications simply don't support them. > This is at least true for me. I would warmly welcome multiple > encodings! I agree for 100%. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 14:00:23 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANYIM-00009A-5a-0000Bb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:00:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANYIM-00009A-5a; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:59:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANYIM-00009A-5a; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:59:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANYI8-0003xP-I1; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:59:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAMDxAM11292 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:59:10 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAMDx9N11288 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:59:09 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANYI1-0006sP-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:59:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:57:33 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> <002b01c3b032$801fd8d0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <002b01c3b032$801fd8d0$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I agree for 100%. I did have a go at using a !Fonts.Messages1 file to create a new font name with a different encoding - didn't work, and from the PRM's that is probably no surprise. It did bring to mind the idea that you might be able to add to the main encoding file a small number of characters that you want to use. But with the obvious problem that your documents would not be portable to other machines. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 14:40:26 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANYsm-00041E-4m-00049I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:40:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANYsm-00041E-4m; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:37:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANYsm-00041E-4m; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:37:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANYsY-0000Q8-Oa; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:36:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAMEale21779 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:36:47 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAMEakB21775 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:36:46 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=55540 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANYsQ-0003dB-9s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:36:46 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55264 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANYsM-0000F1-Lj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:36:42 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c3b03d$14645840$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> <002b01c3b032$801fd8d0$6502a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:37:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:57 PM, David Pilling wrote: >> I agree for 100%. > > I did have a go at using a !Fonts.Messages1 file to create a new font > name with a different encoding - didn't work, and from the PRM's that > is probably no surprise. > > It did bring to mind the idea that you might be able to add to the > main encoding file a small number of characters that you want to use. > But > with the obvious problem that your documents would not be portable to > other machines. In the past, I have tried to add a few characters to a 256 characters font. This does work as long as there remain a few character 'undefined'. Of course the first one (0) has to remain empty. Of course the next 31 are Control Codes and not printable. Of course delete is what it is. As soon as I fill *ALL* the other 223 characters, I get trouble and fontmanager errors. As long as I restrict myself and keep a few 'empty', this does work. I also have experimented with !T12Font with a lot of self-defined Encodings. Same result, when I try to use all the truly available (as mentioned above) positions in one font. But, it doesn't make sense to do this. The font becomes a different font. Exchange with other machines, but also with your own other fonts becomes unreliable. BTW: I think Messages1 files are a source of trouble themselves. Thge fontmanager reads these files. Instead of looking at the real presence of fonts. A Messages1 file is only useful, when you are sure, that it actually reflects the fonts in the folder. In my experience, that isn't always the case ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 16:50:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANasJ-00068s-HS-0006AU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:50:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANasJ-00068s-HS; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:44:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANasJ-00068s-HS; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:44:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANarh-0008KP-CJ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:44:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAMGhwe04723 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:43:58 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAMGhvp04711 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:43:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng8.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANarV-0008VE-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:43:57 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.254] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANarV-0002jK-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:43:57 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:25:38 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> <000f01c3b03d$14645840$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000f01c3b03d$14645840$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <000f01c3b03d$14645840$6502a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > On Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:57 PM, > David Pilling wrote: > > >> I agree for 100%. > > > > I did have a go at using a !Fonts.Messages1 file to create a new font > > name with a different encoding - didn't work, and from the PRM's that > > is probably no surprise. > > > > It did bring to mind the idea that you might be able to add to the > > main encoding file a small number of characters that you want to use. > > But with the obvious problem that your documents would not be portable > > to other machines. > > In the past, I have tried to add a few characters to a 256 characters > font. This does work as long as there remain a few character > 'undefined'. Of course the first one (0) has to remain empty. Of course > the next 31 are Control Codes and not printable. Of course delete is > what it is. Need not be. You can have a glyph at position 127. Look at EFF fonts. > As soon as I fill *ALL* the other 223 characters, I get trouble and > fontmanager errors. > As long as I restrict myself and keep a few 'empty', this does work. Probably an error in the program that generates these fonts for you. Lots of fonts have all 223 characters defined, even 224 characters (EFF fonts). > BTW: I think Messages1 files are a source of trouble themselves. Thge > fontmanager reads these files. Instead of looking at the real presence > of fonts. Yes, that is a feature. If you define a Messages1 file you need to make sure that it is correct. RO4 does this automatically for Resources.!Fonts when you use the standard font merging utility via !Boot. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 22 16:50:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANasS-0001Tq-6B-0001VU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:50:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANasS-0001Tq-6B; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:44:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANasS-0001Tq-6B; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:44:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANarh-0006mD-OD; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:44:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAMGhxi04725 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:43:59 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAMGhwH04718 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:43:58 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng0.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANarW-0002v8-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:43:58 +0100 Received: from [213.6.48.254] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANarV-0002jK-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:43:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:33:08 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > Unfortunately, as described earlier, most applications do not care about > > encodings - which is not surprising since most users do not care about > > encodings. > > I don't intend to drag the discussion to a more philosophical level, but > perhaps the reverse might be relevant too: most users don't care about > encodings, since most applications simply don't support them. But users would not normally ask for "encodings support". They would, like the original poster in this thread, ask for Eastern European characters, for instance. As I said, adding encodings support to an application is fairly simple since RISC OS 3, so I can only conclude that either developers did not understand the issue themselves or not much people have asked for it. In fact, since RISC OS 3, the system calls for decoding the font menu always returns the encoding field, so applications usually contain code to deliberately remove that field, which makes it even more absurd. It is not like encoding support is missing because applications simply ignore the encoding issue. Since RO3, applications either had to contain code to explicitly "un-support" encodings or (some more) code to support them. > This is at least true for me. I would warmly welcome multiple encodings! Yes, me too. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 16:57:19 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANcXd-00034w-MS-00035w."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:57:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANcXd-00034w-MS; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:31:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANcXd-00034w-MS; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:31:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANcWv-0004sz-Vz; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:30:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAMIUfp09796 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:30:41 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAMIUcr09772 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:30:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=41476 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANcWk-0007vn-D5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:30:38 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55347 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANcWi-0001RO-Ui for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:30:36 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c3b05d$c1834ac0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> <000f01c3b03d$14645840$6502a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:31:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:25 PM, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <000f01c3b03d$14645840$6502a8c0@padua> > "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > >> On Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:57 PM, >> David Pilling wrote: >> ... >>> It did bring to mind the idea that you might be able to add to the >>> main encoding file a small number of characters that you want to >>> use. But with the obvious problem that your documents would not be >>> portable to other machines. >> >> In the past, I have tried to add a few characters to a 256 characters >> font. This does work as long as there remain a few character >> 'undefined'. Of course the first one (0) has to remain empty. Of >> course the next 31 are Control Codes and not printable. Of course >> delete is what it is. > > Need not be. You can have a glyph at position 127. Look at EFF fonts. Whatever you put in position 127in a font editor, a logo like EFF and iSV and FontBanks or CC or an accent, it is never printed. The function of ASCII 127 remains 'delete'. You can also have characters in the range 1...31. Not printable. You can also have accents in several positions in the range 1...31. Same way as in 127. Not printable on their own, but used as part of a composite (character with accent). When such a character is rendered or printed, the accent put on a not-printable position is used. >> As soon as I fill *ALL* the other 223 characters, I get trouble and >> fontmanager errors. >> As long as I restrict myself and keep a few 'empty', this does work. > > Probably an error in the program that generates these fonts for you. Error in the program or an error made by me? :-) I'll take a closer look, when I would really need such a font. > Lots of fonts have all 223 characters defined, even 224 characters > (EFF fonts). Even more, when you look at it in !FontEd or in Encoding files. But, that is more than what can be rendered , when a font is used as a font. The maximum number of glyphs, that a user can enter in a 256 character font is 221. Plus, of course, delete and space and non broken space. From which the latter 2 only have a width. Anyway, I already don't like the differences in the different Latin1 Encodings used for Acorn Latin1, EFF Latin 1 and iSV Latin1. So, I am surely not in favour for creating more differences! And certainly not, when this is done on user level. I also think, that any change to a copyrighted font is an infringement ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 16:58:58 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANxSW-0007WA-I7-0000Yn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:58:58 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANxSW-0007WA-I7; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:52:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANxSW-0007WA-I7; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:51:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANxSJ-0004s9-Ej; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:51:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hANGp1511045 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:51:01 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hANGp0T11035 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:51:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng3.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANxRs-0003kf-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:51:00 +0100 Received: from [213.6.49.40] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ANxRr-00030q-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:51:00 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:49:30 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <32e8f2554c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> <001401c3b05d$c1834ac0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <001401c3b05d$c1834ac0$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <001401c3b05d$c1834ac0$6502a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > On Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:25 PM, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > Need not be. You can have a glyph at position 127. Look at EFF fonts. > > Whatever you put in position 127in a font editor, a logo like EFF and > iSV and FontBanks or CC or an accent, it is never printed. The function > of ASCII 127 remains 'delete'. Not true. Character 127 prints normally. You confuse this with the inability to enter character 127 via the keyboard because the application sees this keypress as "Delete". However, you can enter character 127 in a text editor in binary mode (e.g., in Zap) and if you transfer that text file to OvationPro character 127 is displayed (not with the ROM fonts since they do not have a character at position 127, but you can see the "EFF" displayed in your OP document without any problems if you use an EFF font). > >> As soon as I fill *ALL* the other 223 characters, I get trouble and > >> fontmanager errors. > >> As long as I restrict myself and keep a few 'empty', this does work. > > > > Probably an error in the program that generates these fonts for you. > > Error in the program or an error made by me? :-) > Plus, of course, delete and space and non broken space. From which > the latter 2 only have a width. Depends on the application. You can put printable characters in positions 32 and 160 and some applications will render them. However, ArtWorks text areas, for instance, ignore character 32 even if it has some printable glyph. You may have a printable character at 160, though. There is nothing special about this position. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 16:59:08 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ANzOy-0002lL-BN-0002mk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:59:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ANzOy-0002lL-BN; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:56:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ANzOy-0002lL-BN; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:56:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ANzOX-0001HG-UI; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:55:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hANItXv01069 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:55:33 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hANItW001061 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:55:32 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=49178 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANzON-0003Vm-IU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:55:31 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55068 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANzOJ-0002Yz-Vv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:55:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c3b12a$655b9770$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> <001401c3b05d$c1834ac0$6502a8c0@padua> <32e8f2554c.martin@mw-software.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:54:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:49 PM, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <001401c3b05d$c1834ac0$6502a8c0@padua> > "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > >> On Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:25 PM, >> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >>> Need not be. You can have a glyph at position 127. Look at EFF >>> fonts. >> >> Whatever you put in position 127in a font editor, a logo like EFF and >> iSV and FontBanks or CC or an accent, it is never printed. The >> function of ASCII 127 remains 'delete'. > > Not true. Character 127 prints normally. You confuse this with the > inability to enter character 127 via the keyboard because the > application sees this keypress as "Delete". However, you can enter > character 127 in a text editor in binary mode (e.g., in Zap) and if > you transfer that text file to OvationPro character 127 is displayed > (not with the ROM fonts since they do not have a character at > position 127, but you can see the "EFF" displayed in your OP document > without any problems if you use an EFF font). There is a much easier way! Also when you put glyphs in all positions (except 0). Open !FontEd and drag 'whatever you have put' in 1-31, 127 (delete), 32 space and 160 (non broken) space in any application that can receive draw-like input. However, I think, the discussion is about using fonts as fonts and the contents of fonts. Entering by keyboard as text or ASCII -with numeric keypad or !Chars application. EFF and others have put their logo (copyright) with a reason at 127 / delete ... >>>> As soon as I fill *ALL* the other 223 characters, I get trouble and >>>> fontmanager errors. >>>> As long as I restrict myself and keep a few 'empty', this does >>>> work. >>> >>> Probably an error in the program that generates these fonts for you. >> >> Error in the program or an error made by me? :-) > >> Plus, of course, delete and space and non broken space. From which >> the latter 2 only have a width. > > Depends on the application. You can put printable characters in > positions 32 and 160 and some applications will render them. However, > ArtWorks text areas, for instance, ignore character 32 even if it has > some printable glyph. You may have a printable character at 160, > though. There is nothing special about this position. I disagree. And the Encoding disagree: space and (non-broken) space. And the Encoding is used, when you print to PostScript. I also think, that this behaviour of 127 (delete), space (32) and 160 (non broken space) is by the rules or specifications. No matter, what Alphabet is configured. Also true for Dingbats and Symbol (non language) fonts. Acorn, Adobe Type 1, Unicode, TrueType, OpenType. So, for now I shall use these guides. As far as important to me. Without adding or changing existing fonts on a user level. EFF logo (or other logo's) don't harm at 127. As long as the keypress gives me 'delete'. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 16:59:14 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AO0lw-0002Zl-3K-0002c6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:59:14 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AO0lw-0002Zl-3K; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:23:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AO0lw-0002Zl-3K; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:23:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AO0lo-00071r-V8; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:23:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hANKNf909069 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:23:41 GMT Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hANKNep09064 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:23:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1B52E363C for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:24:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21983-03-67 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:24:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC (unknown [81.168.120.188]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB2E2E362D for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:24:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:22:52 GMT From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <487106564c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > In article <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com>, > > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > > > Unfortunately, as described earlier, most applications do not care about > > > encodings - which is not surprising since most users do not care about > > > encodings. > > > > I don't intend to drag the discussion to a more philosophical level, but > > perhaps the reverse might be relevant too: most users don't care about > > encodings, since most applications simply don't support them. > > But users would not normally ask for "encodings support". They would, like > the original poster in this thread, ask for Eastern European characters, > for instance. Just so; and can I now stretch the point, still more-or-less on topic? At the school which I guided until recently there are a number of Chinese pupils. By downloading a Linux Chinese font and using Big 5 from the encoding menu I was able to get Oregano to present web-pages in Mandarin and Cantonese correctly. In fact it was done by swapping skins, in which font and encoding are defined. But the pupils can only write in the approximation to Cantonese which they make phonetically from Latin 1 characters. Unfortunately another type of computer which shall not be named can word-process in these languages. Is there any possibility of achieving this in OPro? Martin -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 16:59:28 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AO4K6-0004m4-HK-0004y1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:59:28 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AO4K6-0004m4-HK; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:11:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AO4K6-0004m4-HK; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:11:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AO4JS-0000Pa-QE; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:10:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAO0Ac931821 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:10:38 GMT Received: from mail.surfanytime.com (yulser.co.uk [217.160.215.57]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAO0AbA31818 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:10:37 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([]) by mail.surfanytime.com (FireFly Email Server v6.2.1) with SMTP id MUN74094 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:10:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:08:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] sorting Message-ID: <4c561b212arod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <487106564c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <487106564c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I find that I often need to sort words alphabetically in documents I prepare in OvationPro. I can do it by saving them as text and then sorting by a separate program. I wondered, however, whether there might be an Applet which would do it for me on selected lines of text in OP? Perhaps it is staring me in the face? -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 17:01:03 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AOI9b-0002kD-Gc-0002oi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:01:03 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AOI9b-0002kD-Gc; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:57:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AOI9b-0002kD-Gc; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:57:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOI9Q-0004DP-UY; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:57:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAOEv3F04603 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:57:03 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAOEv2t04594 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:57:02 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=53078 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOI97-0006RY-RR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:57:01 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55976 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOI96-0005gn-Rt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:57:00 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01c3b1d2$404f8e70$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> <487106564c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> Subject: Oregano and fonts was: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:58:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:22 PM, Martin Devon wrote: .... ... about czech font. > > Just so; and can I now stretch the point, still more-or-less on topic? > At the school which I guided until recently there are a number of > Chinese pupils. By downloading a Linux Chinese font and using Big 5 > from the encoding menu I was able to get Oregano to present web-pages > in Mandarin and Cantonese correctly. Oregano and Oregano2 don't use RISC OS fonts. At least TrueType and TrueTypes 'wrapped' in OpenType. 8bit (256 characters) but also Unicoded/16 bit. You can quite happily install and use e.g. the latest Arial (OpenType, more than 600 -or 900?) characters. Maybe also PC Type1's (or Type1's wrapped in OpenType), I don't know. Oregano(2) also has its own font management, with choice of font, encoding (code table) and keyboard. I don't know, how much characters can be used in ONE choice. That is more or less than 256 (8 bit) characters. Of course, only relevant, when the encoding is above 256 characters. But, these fonts and font management is -as far as I know- restricted ro Oregano(2). Other programs use RISC OS fonts and RISC OS fontmanager. Maybe -in time- this can be done on an IYONIX. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 17:01:39 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AONIU-0000zu-H6-00016X."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:01:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AONIU-0000zu-H6; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:27:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AONIU-0000zu-H6; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:27:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AONIL-0004Gp-Bs; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:26:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAOKQa308924 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:26:36 GMT Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (newman.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAOKQZd08921 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:26:35 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDB11277E0 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:26:32 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:27:51 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > If you consider that adding an encoding menu to a RISC OS application is > fairly trivial (the FontManager has offered this functionality since RISC > OS 3.1) but only two or three apps offer one, then you can perhaps imagine > what an enormous demand there is for such a feature. I don't think this is really the case as, when I look at the European standards, the repertoire map contains some 3000-plus code points - ie not 8-bit. I would respectfully suggest that a virtual keyboard device would be the answer - to handle any script (including the CJK ideographs). However, this would mean that applications would need to be recompiled with all 'char' types using 32-bits. For things like StrongEd I am told this will be extremely difficult to arrange - as it will be with other applications written in assembler. An alternative does exist where individual characters are 32-bit and strings (even of a single character) are in utf-8. String access then involves picking out the relevant number of 8-bit chunks - but that merely means a little routine to check the number of octets needed and handle the appropriate list slice operation. I have implemented this in a Sather programming library I produced some years ago (not for RISC OS) and it works very well - however, the font manager would need to take a utf-8 string and convert it into Unicode code points for glyph look-up - just as the virtual keyboard would handle the inverse keyboard input to Unicode code point conversion. Just a few thoughts! Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 17:01:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AOPHq-0004hg-Jt-0004j9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:01:47 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AOPHq-0004hg-Jt; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:34:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AOPHq-0004hg-Jt; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:34:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOPHh-0002Z4-Pt; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:34:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAOMYGa06537 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:34:16 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (painless.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.17]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAOMYEb06528 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:34:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOPHZ-000331-UR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:34:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:37:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: sorting Message-ID: <4c56912314gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c561b212arod@argonet.co.uk> References: <487106564c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <4c561b212arod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id hAOMYFb06529 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c561b212arod@argonet.co.uk>, rod a wrote: > I find that I often need to sort words alphabetically > in documents I prepare in OvationPro. > I can do it by saving them as text and then sorting > by a separate program. > I wondered, however, whether there might be an Applet > which would do it for me on selected lines of text in > OP? Perhaps it is staring me in the face? Not that I know of, but I don't think it would take much to create one. I'll have a look at doing one, unless anyone knows of one already in existence. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 17:02:38 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AOfrA-0000ON-6L-0001aN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:02:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AOfrA-0000ON-6L; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:17:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AOfrA-0000ON-6L; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:16:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOfqO-0008ED-JQ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:15:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAPGEuT23552 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:14:56 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAPGEta23545 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:14:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AOfq2-0000Ln-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:14:54 +0100 Received: from [172.181.55.168] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AOfq2-0000wM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:14:54 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:02:34 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: Oregano and fonts was: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <6b48f6564c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> <487106564c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <001b01c3b1d2$404f8e70$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <001b01c3b1d2$404f8e70$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <001b01c3b1d2$404f8e70$6502a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > On Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:22 PM, > Martin Devon wrote: > > > Just so; and can I now stretch the point, still more-or-less on topic? > > At the school which I guided until recently there are a number of > > Chinese pupils. By downloading a Linux Chinese font and using Big 5 > > from the encoding menu I was able to get Oregano to present web-pages > > in Mandarin and Cantonese correctly. > > [...] > But, these fonts and font management is -as far as I know- restricted ro > Oregano(2). > Other programs use RISC OS fonts and RISC OS fontmanager. The RISC OS FontManager in the Iyonix has the required capabilities. It can handle fonts with tens of thousands of characters and it can display Unicode strings. > Maybe -in time- this can be done on an IYONIX. It could (though without PS printing at the moment). However, our word processors, including OvationPro, do not use these new features. So, it is not the FontManager's fault. Unfortunately, changing an application from using standard 8-bit characters to support wide characters is unrealistic. You could just as well reimplement it from scratch. Incidently, Phoenix, the unreleased successor to Browse can display Chinese web pages using the UniCode FontManager as present in RISC OS 5. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 17:02:38 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AOfrD-0005zM-ES-00065g."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:02:38 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AOfrD-0005zM-ES; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:16:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AOfrD-0005zM-ES; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:16:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOfqO-00031Q-JW; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:15:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAPGEuj23557 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:14:56 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAPGEus23550 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:14:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AOfq3-0006VZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:14:55 +0100 Received: from [172.181.55.168] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AOfq3-0000wM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:14:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:14:02 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: > In article , > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > If you consider that adding an encoding menu to a RISC OS application > > is fairly trivial (the FontManager has offered this functionality > > since RISC OS 3.1) but only two or three apps offer one, then you can > > perhaps imagine what an enormous demand there is for such a feature. > > I don't think this is really the case as, when I look at the > European standards, the repertoire map contains some 3000-plus code > points - ie not 8-bit. Sorry I cannot follow you here. Of course, it is IMPORTANT to have multiple encodings. I only claimed that there was very little demand for it from RISC OS users. > I would respectfully suggest that a virtual keyboard device would be > the answer - to handle any script (including the CJK ideographs). A virtual keyboard would not really help due to the way the interface between the OS and applications works - this only caters for 8-bit values. > However, this would mean that applications would need to be recompiled > with all 'char' types using 32-bits. For things like StrongEd I am told > this will be extremely difficult to arrange - as it will be with other > applications written in assembler. It is difficult for all applications, even those written in C. For most, you could just as well throw all the code away and start from scratch. In fact, I would even argue that of all applications, Zap and StrongEd could be upgraded most easily - the existing modes these program offer do much more complicated things already. Adding a 16-bit or 32-bit character editing mode to Zap would be relatively straightforward. > An alternative does exist where individual characters are 32-bit and > strings (even of a single character) are in utf-8. String access then > involves picking out the relevant number of 8-bit chunks - but that merely > means a little routine to check the number of octets needed and handle the > appropriate list slice operation. I have implemented this in a Sather > programming library I produced some years ago (not for RISC OS) and it > works very well - however, the font manager would need to take a utf-8 > string and convert it into Unicode code points for glyph look-up - just as > the virtual keyboard would handle the inverse keyboard input to Unicode > code point conversion. The RISC OS 5 FontManager is happy to display UTF-8 and UTF-16 strings for you. Not a problem. The problem is in the applications. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 17:02:39 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AOfrL-0000Zt-48-0000eO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:02:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AOfrL-0000Zt-48; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:16:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AOfrL-0000Zt-48; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:16:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOfqO-0004vs-NM; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:15:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAPGEti23540 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:14:55 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAPGEsM23533 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:14:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AOfq2-0003KZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:14:54 +0100 Received: from [172.181.55.168] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AOfq1-0000wM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:14:53 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:55:11 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <4f9bf5564c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <8ec74f554c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c555279b9paul@delink.nl> <32e8f2554c.martin@mw-software.com> <000c01c3b12a$655b9770$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000c01c3b12a$655b9770$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <000c01c3b12a$655b9770$6502a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > On Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:49 PM, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > In message <001401c3b05d$c1834ac0$6502a8c0@padua> > > "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > > > >> Whatever you put in position 127in a font editor, a logo like EFF and > >> iSV and FontBanks or CC or an accent, it is never printed. The > >> function of ASCII 127 remains 'delete'. > > > > Not true. Character 127 prints normally. You confuse this with the > > inability to enter character 127 via the keyboard because the > > application sees this keypress as "Delete". However, you can enter > > character 127 in a text editor in binary mode (e.g., in Zap) and if > > you transfer that text file to OvationPro character 127 is displayed > > (not with the ROM fonts since they do not have a character at > > position 127, but you can see the "EFF" displayed in your OP document > > without any problems if you use an EFF font). > > There is a much easier way! > Also when you put glyphs in all positions (except 0). > Open !FontEd and drag 'whatever you have put' in 1-31, 127 (delete), 32 > space and 160 (non broken) space in any application that can receive > draw-like input. Yes, but this is something completely different. > However, I think, the discussion is about using fonts as fonts and the > contents of fonts. Yes, and my comment above WAS about using the font as font and using character 127 in an OP document. Please read again what I wrote. > Entering by keyboard as text or ASCII -with numeric keypad or !Chars > application. ... does not work, but this is purely the decision of OvationPro (and most other applications), it is not in any way related to the font or the FontManager. Applications could just as well decide to put character 127 in your document, but of course, there is a certain convention about the delete *key*, so they don't. But you can still have character 127 in documents, e.g., in OvationPro. There is absolutely NOTHING special about character 127 in a font. > >> Plus, of course, delete and space and non broken space. From which > >> the latter 2 only have a width. > > > > Depends on the application. You can put printable characters in > > positions 32 and 160 and some applications will render them. However, > > ArtWorks text areas, for instance, ignore character 32 even if it has > > some printable glyph. You may have a printable character at 160, > > though. There is nothing special about this position. > > I disagree. > And the Encoding disagree: space and (non-broken) space. > And the Encoding is used, when you print to PostScript. Well, if the font you are looking at has a space at position 160, then OF COURSE, its encoding will tell you exactly that. However, there is absolutely no reason why any font should have a space at position 160, it could just as well give you a visible glyph. Such a font would then have the appropriate entry in the encoding as well. Many fonts have a capital "A" at position 65, and not surprisingly, their encoding will tell you that as well. However, there is no reason why this should be. The situation is the same with space, character 127 and hard space. > I also think, that this behaviour of 127 (delete), space (32) and 160 > (non broken space) is by the rules or specifications. NO. You can have printable characters at any position between 32 and 255 (both inclusive). However, this discussion has nothing whatsoever to do with the Iyonix, so I suggest we take this to e-mail. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 18:47:07 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AOiAW-0006eu-4T-0006jc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:47:07 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AOiAW-0006eu-4T; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:44:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AOiAW-0006eu-4T; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:44:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOiA7-0001Qi-Nw; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:43:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAPIhfg10666 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:43:41 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAPIhdf10647 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:43:39 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AOi9z-0002YC-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:43:39 +0000 Message-ID: <5yvGSjEWK6w$EwhM@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:42:30 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It is difficult for all applications, even those written in C. For most, >you could just as well throw all the code away and start from scratch. >In fact, I would even argue that of all applications, Zap and StrongEd The Windows version of OP uses Unicode to render documents. That was not too hard. As of now it won't let you enter Unicode glyphs other than the usual Latin 1 set, however that should not be too difficult. Yet another level though would be for OPW to cope with e.g. Unicode file names. Supporting Unicode in documents for RISC OS would only be a few weeks work, I am not about to do it, because of your other point, that Unicode is not supported in PostScript printing on RISC OS. Also how many Unicode fonts are there? (All I've got is a Japanese one Maru Gothic). As has been said Oregano has its own font manager, its own fonts. The browsers that Pace had where presumably Unicode capable with Acorn format fonts. There did seem to be a push to support Japanese, from some reports Castle/Tematic are still working at being 'big in Japan'. I think the Encoding system is in the past, about as much fun as 'code pages' on Windows and DOS. If I was going to do lots of work, I'd go for Unicode now. The Unicode font manager does work on older Acorns (i.e. there is a version that does, I'm not suggesting the one on the Iyonix would work if you copied it). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 19:37:09 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AOivG-000688-Hz-0006BB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:37:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AOivG-000688-Hz; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:32:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AOivG-000688-Hz; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:32:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOius-0002at-I7; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:32:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAPJVHk30147 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:31:17 GMT Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (newman.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.62]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAPJVEA30123 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:31:15 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26F51277E9 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:31:12 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:33:30 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <4c57099845kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: [snip] > > > > I don't think this is really the case as, when I look at the > > European standards, the repertoire map contains some 3000-plus code > > points - ie not 8-bit. > Sorry I cannot follow you here. Of course, it is IMPORTANT to have > multiple encodings. I only claimed that there was very little demand for > it from RISC OS users. Mmm! I thought that a few years ago and even provided a string/char mechanism with a charmap argument. I then got caught up in the Unicode game and realised with the help of some good friends in Denmark, the Netherlands - and elsewhere - that multiple encodings would eventually be superseded as 'legacy' documents became out-dated. Even then a quick charmap conversion is very fast on a modern processor. > > I would respectfully suggest that a virtual keyboard device would be > > the answer - to handle any script (including the CJK ideographs). > A virtual keyboard would not really help due to the way the interface > between the OS and applications works - this only caters for 8-bit values. Ah! That interests me as I was not aware that the interface handled only one octet at a time - I thought it buffered octets as necessary. If it does buffer them then I see little problem in principle - the appropriate SWI would return four octets at once with top bits clear - ie a single space code appears only in the LS octet, an extended CJK ideograph takes up three LS octets - whatever encoding is used across the interface! > > However, this would mean that applications would need to be recompiled > > with all 'char' types using 32-bits. For things like StrongEd I am told > > this will be extremely difficult to arrange - as it will be with other > > applications written in assembler. > It is difficult for all applications, even those written in C. For most, > you could just as well throw all the code away and start from scratch. > In fact, I would even argue that of all applications, Zap and StrongEd > could be upgraded most easily - the existing modes these program offer do > much more complicated things already. Adding a 16-bit or 32-bit character > editing mode to Zap would be relatively straightforward. I was really only reporting what Fred Graute had mentioned to me some while ago in relation to StrongEd. Maybe I am being a little thick in trying to understand why it should be difficult for all applications. Let me try to explain my thinking. On the assumption that there is a virtual keyboard with buffering then a single library routine or SWI could return a character - encoded in utf-8 if you will - in a 32-bit register (say). Then a getchar routine could pick up however many non-null octets were present as an octet string for storage in a utf-8 encoded string, say. It is an equally reasonable alternative that the full 31-bit Unicode code point value appear in the register. In this second case there is a choice for the implementer of the application - either to store Unicode in forming strings - or storing strings as utf-8. In the former case strings would be arrays/lists of 32-bit sized objects which would need conversion to utf-8 for the font manager (by a library routine - say putstring) - in the latter the storage would need to convert the 32-bit to utf-8 for string storage - when string indexing is done by another library function to pick up slices of one or more octets. I see the main problem then in two parts - (1) The need in one case to declare all strings of characters to have a 32-bit element - which is a static compile time edit. (2) The need to produce utf-8 string indexing functions getchar and putchar - possibly extended to getstring and putstring as well. I am not saying that this is in any way trivial - just that it would seem to me that once a 'unicode' library was made available - perhaps in a new module? much of the alterations to applications would be of the (extensive?) cut-and-paste variety. No definitive answer - just a few more thoughts on the subject! Regards, Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 25 23:37:21 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AOmh9-0005ux-6Y-00060c."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:37:21 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AOmh9-0005ux-6Y; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:34:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AOmh9-0005ux-6Y; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:34:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOmh2-00027H-Ug; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:34:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAPNXts28792 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:33:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAPNXsP28787 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:33:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AOmgs-0004ft-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:33:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:32:42 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c57099845kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c57099845kh@waikato.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Michael Binns > Supporting Unicode in documents for RISC OS would only be a few weeks > work, I am not about to do it, because of your other point, that Unicode > is not supported in PostScript printing on RISC OS. Also how many > Unicode fonts are there? (All I've got is a Japanese one Maru Gothic). > I have an Acorn application !Unicode from the Browse & Java CDs around 1997. What does it do? It sits in my !Boot structure somewhere, but I have never seen any results from Unicode entities in PC e-mails. Browse also has an impressive range of font coding options. They must both have had some function at some point - or did they? There is no documentation that I have seen with them. Is this a base for building on, either for font managing or for PostScript printing? I am not a programmer! Michael Binns -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 26 14:12:09 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AOrNV-0001V7-DX-0001a8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:12:09 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AOrNV-0001V7-DX; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 04:34:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AOrNV-0001V7-DX; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 04:34:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOpqG-0007ld-3N; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:55:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAQ2t1F06251 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:55:01 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAQ2t0K06231 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:55:00 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AOppT-000LDf-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:55:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:53:49 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New web stuff, DDF, OPWin References: <9e74c6524c.michael@talibard.demon.co.uk> <8c5606544c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Thanks to the kindness of Paul Reuvers of XAT, I've been able to put >the Impression DDF spec. on my web site at; >http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/newddf.zip One unintentional joke is that Ovation Pro for Windows can't actually load this DDF file. I've fixed the DDF filter, and provided a new Ovation Pro filter pack at; http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filter.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 26 14:12:20 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AOtk2-0005qz-Jp-0005sG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:12:20 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AOtk2-0005qz-Jp; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:05:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AOtk2-0005qz-Jp; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:05:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOtjV-00026k-Lp; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:05:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAQ74u410670 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:04:56 GMT Received: from mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAQ74uN10666 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:04:56 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151A34064D6 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:06:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23504-02-29 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:05:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC (unknown [81.168.120.31]) by mra02.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE26406238 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:05:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:03:52 GMT From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <89cc48574c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> <5yvGSjEWK6w$EwhM@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5yvGSjEWK6w$EwhM@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Supporting Unicode in documents for RISC OS would only be a few weeks > work, I am not about to do it, because of your other point, that Unicode > is not supported in PostScript printing on RISC OS. Also how many > Unicode fonts are there? (All I've got is a Japanese one Maru Gothic). Oregano can print in the (presumably Unicode) Chinese font I downloaded, via !Printers and Acorn PostScript driver. I've also got Oregano to render Thai and Bengali fonts from Linux though the encoding was not perfect. > > [..] > There did seem to be a push to support Japanese, from some > reports Castle/Tematic are still working at being 'big in Japan'. I hope the effort proves worthwhile. 'Proper' Japanese writing uses two distinct scripts simultaneously and not even the Japanese can all do it. In all these oriental scripts, anything technical or numeric is interjected in English in a latin script. > > I think the Encoding system is in the past, about as much fun as 'code > pages' on Windows and DOS. If I was going to do lots of work, I'd go for > Unicode now. Agreed entirely. But I think the conversion will have to happen sooner or later, preferably sooner, just like the change to 32 bit. > Martin -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 26 14:12:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AOvhI-0003Kf-Fr-0002Ee."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:12:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AOvhI-0003Kf-Fr; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:21:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AOvhI-0003Kf-Fr; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:10:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AOvfr-0007x3-1R; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:09:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAQ99KE05350 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:09:20 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAQ99Jn05347 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:09:19 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=53909 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOvfj-0004mN-F2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:09:19 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55339 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOvfi-00018g-5G for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:09:18 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c3b334$0265c080$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> <5yvGSjEWK6w$EwhM@pilling.demon.co.uk> <89cc48574c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:10:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:03 AM, Martin Devon wrote: >> Supporting Unicode in documents for RISC OS would only be a few weeks >> work, I am not about to do it, because of your other point, that >> Unicode is not supported in PostScript printing on RISC OS. Also how >> many >> Unicode fonts are there? (All I've got is a Japanese one Maru >> Gothic). > > Oregano can print in the (presumably Unicode) Chinese font I > downloaded, via !Printers and Acorn PostScript driver. > Maybe it is done the 'Windows' way: embedding the TrueType in the PostScript file? Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 26 14:32:00 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AP0cn-0000n2-M9-0001dt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:32:00 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AP0cn-0000n2-M9; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:27:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AP0cn-0000n2-M9; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:26:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AP0bx-0003K6-RD; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:25:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAQEPVc24366 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:25:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAQEPT724348 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:25:29 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AP0bg-00007h-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:25:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:24:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> <5yvGSjEWK6w$EwhM@pilling.demon.co.uk> <89cc48574c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <89cc48574c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Agreed entirely. But I think the conversion will have to happen sooner >or later, preferably sooner, just like the change to 32 bit. I don't see the need. If desktop users of RISC OS remain in the part of the world that can get by with Latin 1, 256 glyphs there is no catalyst for change. I'd guess the majority of RISC OS users rarely venture outside the ASCII 96 glyph range. Now if Castle announced they were selling 10,000 desktop machines to Japan I'd be adding Unicode support tomorrow... Perhaps that is another argument. RISC OS is not a Unicode operating system, you can't have file names using Unicode, you can't have Unicode in many places (Icons?). It is on a par in this respect with Windows 95,98, ME. Windows XP, NT, 2K etc. are Unicode throughout. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 26 16:32:25 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AP2SX-0002Mq-GP-0002US."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:32:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AP2SX-0002Mq-GP; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:24:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AP2SX-0002Mq-GP; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:24:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AP2Rf-0006iK-Ow; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:23:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAQGN8405001 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:23:08 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAQGN7u04993 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:23:07 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AP2RX-0003ZG-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:23:07 +0100 Received: from [172.178.140.45] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AP2RV-0006AK-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:23:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:22:29 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <42f17b574c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> <5yvGSjEWK6w$EwhM@pilling.demon.co.uk> <89cc48574c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <89cc48574c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <89cc48574c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> Martin Devon wrote: > > Supporting Unicode in documents for RISC OS would only be a few weeks > > work, I am not about to do it, because of your other point, that Unicode > > is not supported in PostScript printing on RISC OS. Also how many > > Unicode fonts are there? (All I've got is a Japanese one Maru Gothic). > > Oregano can print in the (presumably Unicode) Chinese font I downloaded, > via !Printers and Acorn PostScript driver. Yes, it prints a bitmap. Great stuff. :-( Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 26 16:32:26 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AP2V7-0004qY-MR-0004t9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:32:26 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AP2V7-0004qY-MR; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:26:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AP2V7-0004qY-MR; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:26:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AP2V3-00040T-V5; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:26:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAQGQh206907 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:26:43 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAQGQgr06904 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:26:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AP2V0-0006Li-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:26:42 +0100 Received: from [172.178.140.45] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AP2Uz-0004al-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:26:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:26:05 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <8f457c574c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> <5yvGSjEWK6w$EwhM@pilling.demon.co.uk> <89cc48574c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >Agreed entirely. But I think the conversion will have to happen sooner > >or later, preferably sooner, just like the change to 32 bit. > > I don't see the need. If desktop users of RISC OS remain in the part of > the world that can get by with Latin 1, 256 glyphs there is no catalyst > for change. I'd guess the majority of RISC OS users rarely venture > outside the ASCII 96 glyph range. > > Now if Castle announced they were selling 10,000 desktop machines to > Japan I'd be adding Unicode support tomorrow... > > Perhaps that is another argument. RISC OS is not a Unicode operating > system, you can't have file names using Unicode, you can't have Unicode > in many places (Icons?). You can have Unicode in icons, at least in Unicode-enabled versions of the RISC OS WindowManager - maybe this is in RO5 already, but at least someone reported it to be possible in Tematic's set-top-box version of RO. Having Unicode file names is a really different aspect and has nothing to do with having Unicode text in a document. The two are really independent. Unicode in icons is a different matter because you may want to search for Unicode strings in the document. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 26 20:52:19 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AP6Va-00011L-EV-0001A2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:52:19 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AP6Va-00011L-EV; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:43:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AP6Va-00011L-EV; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:43:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AP6VS-0002if-Pi; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:43:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAQKgtQ00801 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:42:55 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAQKgtR00798 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:42:55 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031126204253.DOEF15835.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:42:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:27:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <55a085574c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Wed 26 Nov, Martin Devon wrote: > quoting David Piling > > RISC OS is not a Unicode operating > > system, you can't have file names using Unicode, you can't have Unicode > > in many places (Icons?). It is on a par in this respect with Windows > > 95,98, ME. Windows XP, NT, 2K etc. are Unicode throughout. > > ...and which group should RiscOS be in, the dead or the living? Perhaps a slight modification to David's original paragraph makes it clearer: > > RISC OS is not a Unicode operating system... it is on a par in this > > respect with Windows 95,98, ME. > > > > Windows XP, NT, 2K etc. are Unicode throughout. I don't know that either group is dead - certainly not buried or unused. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 26 21:32:25 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AP6n6-00028V-Am-0001xL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:32:25 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AP6n6-00028V-Am; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:26:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AP6n6-00028V-Am; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:01:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AP6mp-00060D-S0; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:01:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAQL1J009231 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:01:19 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAQL1Ii09227 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:01:18 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-1088.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.52.64] helo=localhost) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AP6mh-0008Bm-Vd for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:01:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:01:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Upgrading Twain drivers Message-ID: <4c579575c2mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm currently using an Agfa Twain driver (2.01 if it helps) with a Snapscan 1236 SCSI scanner. If I was to purchase another scanner would I have to pay for a suitable driver for it, or is there some other way of upgrading the software I already have? -- Normie, Normie, could this be Vera? With a lot of expensive surgery, maybe. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 26 22:02:23 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AP47C-0005Fd-FF-00025B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:02:23 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AP47C-0005Fd-FF; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:54:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AP47C-0005Fd-FF; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:10:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AP46K-0005Tt-9M; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:09:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAQI9D525989 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:09:13 GMT Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAQI9CE25984 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:09:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BD62E304A for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:10:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03896-02-94 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:10:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC (unknown [81.168.120.40]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E732E2FF4 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:10:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:08:16 GMT From: Martin Devon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <55a085574c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> <5yvGSjEWK6w$EwhM@pilling.demon.co.uk> <89cc48574c.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at eclipse.net.uk Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > RISC OS is not a Unicode operating > system, you can't have file names using Unicode, you can't have Unicode > in many places (Icons?). It is on a par in this respect with Windows > 95,98, ME. Windows XP, NT, 2K etc. are Unicode throughout. ..and which group should RiscOS be in, the dead or the living? -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer Box, Wilts, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 26 22:02:24 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AP7bl-00021p-EX-0004sb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:02:24 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AP7bl-00021p-EX; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:01:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AP7bl-00021p-EX; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:54:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AP7bY-0006er-NR; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:53:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAQLrf532209 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:53:41 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAQLrfw32206 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:53:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AP7bQ-0009Dp-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:53:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:52:14 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Upgrading Twain drivers References: <4c579575c2mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c579575c2mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >If I was to purchase another scanner would I have to pay for a suitable >driver for it, or is there some other way of upgrading the software I >already have? Usually I am generous, if pressed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 27 02:32:36 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AP2Zx-0007Wn-4o-0006Fo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 02:32:36 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AP2Zx-0007Wn-4o; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 02:23:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AP2Zx-0007Wn-4o; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:31:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AP2ZQ-0005AI-2h; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:31:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAQGVCB10657 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:31:12 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAQGVB210647 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:31:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AP2ZK-0005fo-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:31:10 +0100 Received: from [172.178.140.45] (helo=bach) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AP2ZK-0001eb-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:31:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:30:34 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <9aae7c574c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <141cda544c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c568abbd4kh@waikato.ac.nz> <3555f7564c.martin@mw-software.com> <4c57099845kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > >From: Michael Binns > > > > > Supporting Unicode in documents for RISC OS would only be a few weeks > > work, I am not about to do it, because of your other point, that Unicode > > is not supported in PostScript printing on RISC OS. Also how many > > Unicode fonts are there? (All I've got is a Japanese one Maru Gothic). > > > > I have an Acorn application !Unicode from the Browse & Java CDs around > 1997. What does it do? It sits in my !Boot structure somewhere, but I > have never seen any results from Unicode entities in PC e-mails. Browse > also has an impressive range of font coding options. They must both have > had some function at some point - or did they? There is no documentation > that I have seen with them. > > Is this a base for building on, either for font managing or for > PostScript printing? I am not a programmer! It provides encodings so web pages in various encodings can be mapped to the standard RISC OS encodings. So, it is just a resource, it does not DO anything. Applications can consult it to find out how to convert input in foreign encodings. Browse uses it, I do not know of other applications. It comes as standard under RO5 (possibly with RO4 as well). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 27 16:16:35 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1APCer-0006UR-4a-0004xc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:16:35 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1APCer-0006UR-4a; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:52:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1APCer-0006UR-4a; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:17:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1APBGE-00077l-PF; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:48:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hAR1ls104020 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:47:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAR1lsh04016 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:47:54 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1APBG5-000Cem-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:47:54 +0000 Message-ID: <4ty2F4FldVx$Ew4J@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:46:13 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Surplus kit... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Sometimes I get hardware just for developing software. Once the software is finished I'm left with essentially new hardware and no use for it. So would anyone like to offer a good home to one of the following... Plustek 9636P scanner with transparency adapter - Windows software (not XP). Parallel port scanner. US Robotics Sportster 28K8 modem. Fax, voice etc. What I want is for anyone who wants one of these to pay the cost of carriage - guess 20 quid for the scanner and 10 for the modem. UK only. Further discussion by private email please. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 27 16:17:39 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1APOkn-0004OX-KF-0004Vc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:17:39 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1APOkn-0004OX-KF; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:12:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1APOkn-0004OX-KF; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:12:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1APOke-0004av-V0; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:12:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hARGC9607846 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:12:09 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hARGC8907838 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:12:08 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-848.beedrill.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.35.80] helo=wild4598) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1APOkQ-0004Qj-S9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:12:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David H Wild To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:10:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Setting up master files Message-ID: <4c57fea691dhwild@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have devised some stationery in OvationPro to let me print out pictures from my digital camera. This is in Landscape format, with four pictures - each with a caption. This works well, except that, when I come to print, I need to go into print setup to specify "sideways" each time before printing. Is there any way of creating a master template that will include the fact that this is a landscape format and needs to be printed accordingly? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Acorn StrongArm Risc_PC | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dhwild@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 27 16:46:22 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1APP4h-00005y-HA-0005Ty."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:46:22 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1APP4h-00005y-HA; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1APP4h-00005y-HA; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:33:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1APP4I-0001fP-2x; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:32:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hARGWVD16182 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:32:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hARGWV616175 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:32:31 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1APP4A-0006iz-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:32:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:30:55 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Setting up master files References: <4c57fea691dhwild@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c57fea691dhwild@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >This works well, except that, when I come to print, I need to go into print >setup to specify "sideways" each time before printing. Is there any way of >creating a master template that will include the fact that this is a >landscape format and needs to be printed accordingly? My belief is that print options are saved in documents (or style sheets), so it should just be a matter of setting the print option (see Set button on Print window), and then save the document or style sheet. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 27 19:46:31 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1APS28-0004o7-5H-0004qp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:46:31 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1APS28-0004o7-5H; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:42:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1APS28-0004o7-5H; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:42:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1APS1r-0003ye-7D; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:42:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hARJgDY29818 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:42:13 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hARJgCY29815 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:42:12 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.209.98] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1APS1i-00033q-Nc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:42:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:23:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Setting up master files Message-ID: <4c581063cbdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4c57fea691dhwild@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Slight aside... I've just had to construct an OvPro template for printing to Avery 48 per sheet labels. Avery number L4736REV if any one would like a copy of this, email me and I'll send. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 27 20:26:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1APSbO-0004ud-9W-0005em."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:26:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1APSbO-0004ud-9W; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:19:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1APSbO-0004ud-9W; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:19:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1APSZG-0003rf-LH; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:16:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hARKGgc09720 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:16:42 GMT Received: from mail.surfanytime.com (yulser.co.uk [217.160.215.57]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hARKGgc09714 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:16:42 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([]) by mail.surfanytime.com (FireFly Email Server v6.2.1) with SMTP id MUN74094 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:16:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:28:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Message-ID: <4c580b529frod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Go to the Command line , the type: > Alphabet Latin2 > Press > You'll probably find all the letters you need when using > the following fonts: > Corpus, Homerton, Sassoon and Trinity I have read this thread with interest. Yes, the latin2 etc is indeed there buut it seems it cannot be used. (Using 3.7) Is there a way to 'extract' the font data for Latin2 etc so that one could make one's own Latin2 etc versions of the above fonts. Apologies if this point was covered... but I don't think it was. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 28 14:00:13 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1APSMb-0005hH-EY-0003ya."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:00:13 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1APSMb-0005hH-EY; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:18:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1APSMb-0005hH-EY; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:03:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1APSMA-0006uB-Ge; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:03:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hARK3DK04631 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:03:13 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hARK3DZ04627 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:03:13 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.138.211] (helo=62.188.138.211) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APSLu-0000bS-ST for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:03:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David H Wild To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:59:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Setting up master files Message-ID: <4c58139a72dhwild@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4c57fea691dhwild@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.37) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > My belief is that print options are saved in documents (or style > sheets), so it should just be a matter of setting the print option (see > Set button on Print window), and then save the document or style sheet. Thank you for this; it was the stylesheet that I had missed. I knew that saving the document would work, but I don't want to keep saving these documents as they can get quite big. I already have the pictures saved elsewhere, so I delete the document after printing. With the stylesheet it will be very easy to re-create the document if I need to do it. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Acorn StrongArm Risc_PC | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dhwild@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 28 14:00:43 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1APhmf-0003VK-JC-0001v5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:00:43 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1APhmf-0003VK-JC; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:19:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1APhmf-0003VK-JC; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:31:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1APhXp-0002SE-HG; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:16:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hASCFmP01440 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:15:48 GMT Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hASCFlO01431 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:15:47 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=55915 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APhXG-0007vu-Lw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:15:46 +0100 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55488 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APhXG-0000Pj-1o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:15:46 +0100 Message-ID: <004001c3b4e0$6478acd0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4c580b529frod@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Latin2 in RO3.7 was Re: [softwarelist] czech font? Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 13:17:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thursday, November 27, 2003 7:28 PM, rod a wrote: >> Go to the Command line , the type: > >> Alphabet Latin2 > >> Press > >> You'll probably find all the letters you need when using >> the following fonts: > >> Corpus, Homerton, Sassoon and Trinity > > I have read this thread with interest. Yes, the latin2 etc > is indeed there buut it seems it cannot be used. > (Using 3.7) > > Is there a way to 'extract' the font data for Latin2 etc > so that one could make one's own Latin2 etc versions > of the above fonts. It can be done *with care* with !FontFiend, fonteditor by iSV. Sold stand-alone or bundled with DrawWorks (Millenium) or Third Millenium. Now -I think available- via ADPL. However, I don't know what happens when you have a *mixture* of fonts in *one* family, partly loaded from ROM and partly softloaded. E.g. Trinity.Medium from ROM with Intmetric0 and Outlines0 and Trinity.Latin2.Medium from RAM with Intmetric and Outlines. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 28 14:20:01 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1APjOF-0006aS-C6-0006zD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:20:01 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1APjOF-0006aS-C6; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:14:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1APjOF-0006aS-C6; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:14:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1APjO2-0004j0-Ii; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:14:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hASEEDs31138 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:14:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hASEEB131113 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:14:11 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1APjNo-000E4W-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:14:08 +0000 Message-ID: <8c4npiBMf1x$Ew75@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:12:28 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Latin2 in RO3.7 was Re: [softwarelist] czech font? References: <4c580b529frod@argonet.co.uk> <004001c3b4e0$6478acd0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <004001c3b4e0$6478acd0$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Is there a way to 'extract' the font data for Latin2 etc >> so that one could make one's own Latin2 etc versions >> of the above fonts. Can't you do it with Acorn's FontEd, open two fonts, drag characters between them (just a guess). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 28 15:30:29 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1APkWd-0004RO-AY-0004UH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:30:29 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1APkWd-0004RO-AY; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:27:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1APkWd-0004RO-AY; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:27:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1APkWA-0005El-Sj; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:26:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hASFQh105061 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:26:43 GMT Received: from mail.surfanytime.com (yulser.co.uk [217.160.215.57]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hASFQf205044 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:26:41 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([]) by mail.surfanytime.com (FireFly Email Server v6.2.1) with SMTP id MUN74094 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:26:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:25:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Latin2 in RO3.7 Message-ID: <4c587e5b24rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8c4npiBMf1x$Ew75@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4c580b529frod@argonet.co.uk> <004001c3b4e0$6478acd0$6502a8c0@padua> <8c4npiBMf1x$Ew75@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 28 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >> Is there a way to 'extract' the font data for Latin2 etc > >> so that one could make one's own Latin2 etc versions > >> of the above fonts. > Can't you do it with Acorn's FontEd, open two fonts, > drag characters between them (just a guess). How stupid I am... I now find these fonts staring me in the face in Resources... and your suggestion is obviously the right one... Thanks. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 3 20:23:08 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ARdRm-0006s0-Lt-0006t9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:23:08 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ARdRm-0006s0-Lt; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:18:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ARdRm-0006s0-Lt; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:18:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARdQy-0003lL-Jz; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:17:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB3KGe724130 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:16:40 GMT Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB3KGdM24123 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:16:40 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-73.munger.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.176.73] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARdQM-0004Wf-Fu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:16:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:15:57 GMT From: "Alex. Cessford" Message-ID: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_30,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm looking for an OP file that matches Avery L7676 Full Face CD/DVD Labels. Probably not carefully enough (!) but I have looked at http://www.huber-net.de/cdburn.htm and http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/index.html and tried following various links without success. I also tried doing a search on http://drobe.co.uk/ again without finding what I need. Google spent ages looking for "avery label files riscos" so I stopped it and asked instead for "avery labels" This produced 191,000 results so I did a 'Search within results' for "riscos" This in turn produced just one return, a Spanish, (well, Spanish-speaking anyway), site offering Microsoft Word format! I clicked it anyway and it gave me a SaveAs box for a Word Doc. I saved it and looked at in EasiWriter only to find it was a (possibly Portuguese) file about pulmonary problems! I couldn't think where else to look. Help, please folks. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 3 21:03:10 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ARe7y-0002GF-LE-0002Hq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:03:10 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ARe7y-0002GF-LE; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:01:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ARe7y-0002GF-LE; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:01:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARe7q-0000f6-8X; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:01:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB3L1Tn08554 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:01:29 GMT Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB3L1RO08538 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:01:27 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([82.43.95.100]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:01:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:01:01 +0000 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro Message-ID: <654b305b4c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 21:01:34.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[A269EE50:01C3B9E0] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> "Alex. Cessford" wrote: > Google spent ages looking for "avery label files riscos" so I stopped > it and asked instead for "avery labels" This produced 191,000 results > so I did a 'Search within results' for "riscos" You might do better by looking for "RISC OS". Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 3 21:23:12 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1AReQw-0006JY-7n-0006LW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:23:12 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1AReQw-0006JY-7n; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:21:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AReQw-0006JY-7n; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:21:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AReQi-00025X-V4; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:21:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB3LKxc14266 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:20:59 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB3LKx914257 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:20:59 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AReQd-000I2d-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:20:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:19:22 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: charles hope In article <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk>, Alex. Cessford wrote: > I'm looking for an OP file that matches Avery L7676 Full Face CD/DVD > Labels. Why not draw your own template? All you need to do is to measure a sheet of labels and transfer the measurements to an OVPro document. -- Using an Iyonix, running RISC OS5. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 4 13:31:53 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ARps7-0004eh-7Z-0005S2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:31:53 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ARps7-0004eh-7Z; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:34:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ARps7-0004eh-7Z; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:34:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARprL-0003Fb-Pc; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:33:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB49X4D12844 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:33:04 GMT Received: from cwgsy.net (mail.cwgsy.net [212.30.8.212]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB49X4D12837 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:33:04 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cwgsy.net [212.30.10.44] by cwgsy.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.03) id AF4E406400BC; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:33:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:31:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro Message-ID: <4c5b750685rmking@cwgsy.net> In-Reply-To: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk>, Alex. Cessford wrote: > I'm looking for an OP file that matches Avery L7676 Full Face CD/DVD > Labels. I've sent a copy that I designed myself directly to Alex. Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 4 14:01:32 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ARu0p-0003ui-Lp-0003xo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:01:32 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ARu0p-0003ui-Lp; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:59:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ARu0p-0003ui-Lp; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:59:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARu0f-0005N4-4n; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:59:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB4Dwd828863 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:58:39 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB4DwcO28851 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:58:38 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from modem-115.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.6.115] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARu05-0004XQ-Co for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:58:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:55:20 GMT From: "Alex. Cessford" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro Message-ID: <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >From: charles hope > > In article <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk>, > Alex. Cessford wrote: > > I'm looking for an OP file that matches Avery L7676 Full Face CD/DVD > > Labels. > > Why not draw your own template? All you need to do is to measure a > sheet of labels and transfer the measurements to an OVPro document. Dohhh! I didn't think of that - honestly! I used to be *slightly* intelligent but now I'm just plain dumb! My first thought was to search for an appropriate file, second thought, ask - end of thought stream! Thank you sincerely for pointing out the obvious David, my 59 year-old grey cells do need support such as yours! Still, Roger King has galloped to the rescue as well and sent me a file he designed which is exactly what I was after which is probably just as well as it may be my 59 year-old mouse handling fingers which turn awkward next! Thanks Roger. If anyone else needs this file I will happily pass it on, Roger permitting of course. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 4 17:31:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ARxJQ-0001cO-CW-0001fj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:31:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ARxJQ-0001cO-CW; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:30:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ARxJQ-0001cO-CW; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:30:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARxJH-0007Bn-64; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:30:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB4HUUG03028 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:30:30 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB4HUSf03015 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:30:28 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ARxJ5-000JEe-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:30:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:29:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: John On 04 Dec, Alex. Cessford wrote: > If anyone else needs this file I will happily pass it on, Roger > permitting of course. And if anyone has similar support templates for any RISC OS application we'll be interested in hosting them on the new Qercus web site. -- John Cartmell editor Qercus - editor at qercus dot com www.qercus.com Qercus: a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines one magazine for graphics & design one magazine for all RISC OS users -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 4 17:51:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ARxWl-0004YQ-EQ-0004dC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:51:44 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ARxWl-0004YQ-EQ; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:44:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ARxWl-0004YQ-EQ; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:44:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARxWE-0000JB-FR; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:44:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB4Hhvu07876 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:43:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB4Hhvk07873 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:43:57 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ARxW7-000Gv0-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:43:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:42:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> >From: charles hope A few comments. Firstly if you post from an address that is not subscribed to this list, your message bounces to me, and I have to forward it to the list. So the comment was from Charles Hope not from me. >And if anyone has similar support templates for any RISC OS application we'll >be interested in hosting them on the new Qercus web site. There is a third party Ovation Pro web site; http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/ which is the first place to look for anything like document templates. And (hmm hmm) the first place to send anything you'd like other OP users to have access to 8-) There are also some Avery templates on the OP CD - probably not the right ones, but that is another resource. Finally congratulations to John Cartmel on his take over of Acorn User - which is what all the Quercus is about. Quercus robur being the mighty English Oak tree, from which little Acorns grow. I guess for those of us who saw issue one of Acorn User (a freebie if you'd bought a BBC micro) it is interesting to see what has happened to it. I have to admit being disappointed with the last year or two of Acorn User. I'm sure the new AU/AP will be a lot better. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 4 18:21:45 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ARy3s-0002HG-5T-0002Kd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:21:45 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ARy3s-0002HG-5T; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:18:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ARy3s-0002HG-5T; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:18:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARy3R-0005oG-Bf; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:18:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB4IIBj19348 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:18:11 GMT Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB4IIA719343 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:18:10 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ARy3C-000LLv-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:18:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:18:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro Message-ID: <4c5ba53c25john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 04 Dec, David Pilling responded to: [Snip] >>And if anyone has similar support templates for any RISC OS application >> we'll be interested in hosting them on the new Qercus web site. > There is a third party Ovation Pro web site; > http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/ > which is the first place to look for anything like document templates. > And (hmm hmm) the first place to send anything you'd like other OP users > to have access to 8-) and, with permission, we'll add a pointer to those resources. We certainly won't be trying to supplant them - merely encourage more active sharing of experience. [Snip] > Finally congratulations to John Cartmell on his take over of Acorn User - > which is what all the Quercus is about. Quercus robur being the mighty > English Oak tree, from which little Acorns grow. > I guess for those of us who saw issue one of Acorn User (a freebie if > you'd bought a BBC micro) it is interesting to see what has happened to > it. Checking the price of hardware and memory is an eye-opener! > I have to admit being disappointed with the last year or two of Acorn > User. I'm sure the new AU/AP will be a lot better. Thanks for that David. I'm hoping that one of the things we can encourage is a return to more users understanding 'what goes on under the bonnet' - so we might just get some more applets written. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 4 20:11:51 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ARzic-0004sp-F2-0004vI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:11:51 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ARzic-0004sp-F2; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:05:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ARzic-0004sp-F2; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:04:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARziA-0001hT-V2; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:04:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hB4K4NM23285 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:04:23 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hB4K4LH23277 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:04:22 GMT Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ARzi1-000Nyz-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:04:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:03:16 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Avery CD label files for OvPro References: <1c2b2c5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <3a288d5b4c.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <4c5ba53c25john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c5ba53c25john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Checking the price of hardware and memory is an eye-opener! I remember buying 1024 *bit* memory chips at a quid each in 1978. Then working out no one could afford to fill the 64K byte address range of a Z80 CPU. I never thought I'd have a computer with 1G bytes of memory. >Thanks for that David. I'm hoping that one of the things we can encourage >is a return to more users understanding 'what goes on under the bonnet' - >so we might just get some more applets written. I have read of yellow pages... I think there's something in that, there must be plenty of gems for script languages like Perl, JavaScript, even Ovation Pro macros. But then again I find typing web page addresses tedious some days. So the threshold is quite low now. Unlike in 1982 when I typed in King Kong from issue 1 of The Micro User, and was still happy even though it didn't work on my model A. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net