From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:15:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19rwkU-0007gq-91-0000oF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:15:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19rwkU-0007gq-91; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:46:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19rwkU-0007gq-91; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:37:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19rwk8-0007U2-C7; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:37:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7R9aXl10690 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:36:33 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7R9aW710684 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:36:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.15.51] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A86D75F20092; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:22:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:36:45 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] noshow Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Nothing from you lot for many days now. Is everyone on holiday, or have I somehow been struck off? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:15:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19s95y-0005BV-DN-0005DH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:15:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19s95y-0005BV-DN; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:48:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19s95y-0005BV-DN; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:48:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19s95j-00023t-8S; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:48:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7RMmBR14062 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:48:11 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7RMmA514014 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:48:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-12-241.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.20.241] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19s95F-0002fy-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:48:09 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45D12C106 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:46:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 27 Aug 2003 21:45:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:45:55 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] noshow Message-ID: <68fdb6284c.philip@philipnet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 27 Aug, in message michael talibard wrote: > >Nothing from you lot for many days now. >Is everyone on holiday, or have I somehow >been struck off? We all wish we were off on holiday. However, some of us haven't been able to get out of the rut we've been in for the last month or so. Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19sl7G-0001Dn-DR-0007bi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19sl7G-0001Dn-DR; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:08:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19sl7G-0001Dn-DR; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:24:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19sl6y-0001E3-7X; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:24:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TFO3c14283 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:24:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TFO3214280 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:24:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19sl6V-0000Kc-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:24:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:19:27 +0100 From: Malcolm Cowell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hello Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC to install and work on Iyonix? Mostly LookSystems Monotype fonts but some ex Beebug. I've seen some recent discussion about this but cannot remember where. -- Malcolm Cowell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19sluF-0004kI-6f-00036f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19sluF-0004kI-6f; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:11:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19sluF-0004kI-6f; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:15:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19sltx-0008Ga-VA; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:15:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TGExm32762 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:14:59 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A795.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.167.149]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TGEve32748 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:14:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19slto-0003l4-00 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:14:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:59:12 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Malcolm Cowell wrote: > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast > Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC > to install and work on Iyonix? I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look to do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There will be an upgrade. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19slzK-0004ZL-Ee-0001Bx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19slzK-0004ZL-Ee; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:04:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19slzK-0004ZL-Ee; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:20:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19slzA-0000tk-6f; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:20:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TGKOY01895 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:20:24 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TGKOF01892 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:20:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.25.86] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AA1233810158; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:06:42 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:21:16 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > > Hello > > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast Font > catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC to > install and work on Iyonix? > > Mostly LookSystems Monotype fonts but some ex Beebug. > > I've seen some recent discussion about this but cannot remember where. > Essentially, you can't: it's not available in 32-bit. (I would LOVE to be contradicted - I used to be a great fan of Font Directory Pro.) What I've done is this. I used to have all my Fonts stored within the FDP 'Partition' in certain directories called things like 'Blacklet', 'Sans', 'Celtic', 'Roman', etc. So now I've removed them from there and stored them in separate copies of !Fonts renamed as '!Blacklet', '!Sans', etc. All you need is to copy !Fonts, rename it !Whatever, rename one sprite in Fonts 22, delete whatever fonts are in there, and put your chosen fonts in. Then when you want that sort of font, one double-click brings in that family. It is clumsy compared with FDP, but we live in an imperfect world. - Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19smEW-000147-4M-0007Ew.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19smEW-000147-4M; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:25:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19smEW-000147-4M; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:36:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19smE3-00045G-Hi; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:35:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TGZk906244 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:35:46 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TGZik06225 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:35:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host213-122-130-159.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.130.159]) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19smDv-0004Ed-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:35:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix From: mark stephens To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Date: 29 Aug 2003 17:36:37 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 16:59, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast > > Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC > > to install and work on Iyonix? > > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look to > do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There will be > an upgrade. I would love to see Adrian and hsis products actively back in the Acorn market. Any chance? MArk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19sniV-0000sA-Ae-0005Y9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19sniV-0000sA-Ae; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:13:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19sniV-0000sA-Ae; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:11:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19sniB-0002pK-1T; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:11:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TIAvf30059 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:10:57 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TIAuR30055 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:10:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19sni3-00052e-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:10:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:09:15 +0100 From: Malcolm Cowell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <8451b0294c.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Stefan Ballon wrote: > Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast > > Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC > > to install and work on Iyonix? > > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look to > do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There will be > an upgrade. > This is amazing news and better than I had hoped. Thanks too for Michael's suggestion which I can use as a temporary fix on the two or three fonts I need to activate. -- Malcolm Cowell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19so2x-0004Lx-4G-0000P4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19so2x-0004Lx-4G; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:38:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19so2x-0004Lx-4G; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:32:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19so2p-0005Uv-7d; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:32:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TIWJc02519 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:32:19 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TIWJv02515 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:32:19 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from wallace ([195.137.110.177]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h7TIWGit025561 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:32:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:57:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c29a9bc61bric@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Malcolm Cowell wrote: > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the > vast Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on > the RISCPC to install and work on Iyonix? [Snip] > I've seen some recent discussion about this but cannot > remember where. Archive on Line (mail list) in May or June this year I think. There seemed to be some optimism that a 32-bit version of FDPro might appear. I'm looking forward to this but not holding my breath :-) Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ssW4-0006fR-3n-0006jk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ssW4-0006fR-3n; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:18:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ssW4-0006fR-3n; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:18:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ssVs-0005Lj-MK; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:18:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7TNHqd32317 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:17:52 +0100 Received: from mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (mta7-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7TNHqU32313 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:17:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from localhost ([62.255.12.72]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030829231751.DTVH11395.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:17:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:16:55 +0100 From: Gerald Cobbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] RTF & DDL Message-ID: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h7TNHqU32315 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi folks, Sorry if I've missed something very basic, but does anyone know if it's possible to save documents produced on Ovation Pro in RTF. Couldn't see anything in the manual but has some applet or filter been produced to do it. Again please excuse my ignorance but I've noticed that docs sam be saved as DDL files. I note that it stands for Document Description Language but what does that mean? What progs can read them? Are they compatible with any progs on Windoze machines? Any thoughts on either would be appreciated. Regards -- Gerald Cobbe  -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:25 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19szb6-0001Qy-5c-0004cL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19szb6-0001Qy-5c; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:54:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19szb6-0001Qy-5c; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 06:52:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19szax-0004T4-Lj; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:52:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7U6q5M24885 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:52:05 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7U6q4n24881 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:52:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.228.57] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19szad-000FOU-3m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:52:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:39:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF & DDL Message-ID: <4c29f4f60bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net>, Gerald Cobbe wrote: > Hi folks, > Sorry if I've missed something very basic, but does anyone know if it's > possible to save documents produced on Ovation Pro in RTF. > Couldn't see anything in the manual but has some applet or filter been > produced to do it. > Again please excuse my ignorance but I've noticed that docs sam be > saved as DDL files. I note that it stands for Document Description > Language but what does that mean? What progs can read them? Are they > compatible with any progs on Windoze machines? > Any thoughts on either would be appreciated. > Regards Yes, there's an applet !MakeRTF to enable RTF Save, and of course the !TransRTF filter for import. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:25 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19t04A-0004FE-Ar-0004IF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:25 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19t04A-0004FE-Ar; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:22:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19t04A-0004FE-Ar; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:22:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19t03w-0000zg-HA; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:22:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7U7MHH29145 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:22:17 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A795.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.167.149]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7U7MFf29136 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:22:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19t03q-0004pz-00 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:22:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:04:00 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist mark stephens wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 16:59, Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] > > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look > > to do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There > > will be an upgrade. > I would love to see Adrian and hsis products actively back in the > Acorn market. Any chance? I think he's considering that at the moment. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19t20m-0000ik-CU-0002mm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:26 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19t20m-0000ik-CU; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:28:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19t20m-0000ik-CU; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:27:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19t20b-00071Y-7p; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:27:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7U9Qrj18405 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:26:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7U9Qrx18402 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:26:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from dougal.locationworks.com ([62.49.148.34] helo=localhost) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19t20S-0006pW-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:26:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell Gatherer To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:06:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c29b01993lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > Successfully installed OvPro into Iyonix but how do I get the vast > > Font catalogue formerly managed by Font Directory Pro on the RISCPC > > to install and work on Iyonix? > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look to > do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There will be > an upgrade. As a beta-tester, I can confirm that FontDir Pro performs immaculately on the Iyonix. Stefan did the conversion, and Richard Hallas created a nifty new icon set. Hopefully it will be released officially very soon now. If only I could get my head around sets of fonts. It seems like it ought to be a very powerful function, however I'll have to read the manual yet again :-( -- Kell Gatherer kell@locsource.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:16:56 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19t6k7-0007ES-Fx-0007Hn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:16:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19t6k7-0007ES-Fx; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:30:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19t6k7-0007ES-Fx; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:30:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19t6jo-0006Qo-6f; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:30:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7UEToj16465 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:29:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7UEToc16458 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:29:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19t6jb-00066s-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:29:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:19:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF & DDL Message-ID: <4c2a1995a5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net>, Gerald Cobbe wrote: > Again please excuse my ignorance but I've noticed that docs sam be > saved as DDL files. I note that it stands for Document Description > Language but what does that mean? It's a plain text description of the document's structure and content, whereas a normal OvnPro file is (I'd guess) just a copy of the content of the computer's memory when it held the document file. The latter is incomprehensible to people. You can look at DDL files in a normal text editor. What's more, you can change them in a normal text editor. You can even generate them with other programs... The main problem with DDL is that there's no complete description of exactly how it works, though it's not hard to see roughly how it works. The tried & tested method is to save a few sample documents which have slight differences, and then see what to what extent the DDL is different. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:01 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19t95r-0004fB-Ff-0004iu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:01 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19t95r-0004fB-Ff; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:00:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19t95r-0004fB-Ff; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:00:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19t958-0003jo-HQ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:00:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7UGxjb16629 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:59:45 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7UGxiI16625 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:59:44 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host213-122-4-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.4.252]) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19t94h-0006Rn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:59:44 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix From: mark stephens To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Date: 30 Aug 2003 18:01:11 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 08:04, Stefan Bellon wrote: > mark stephens wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 16:59, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > [snip] > > > > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to Adrian Look > > > to do the distribution. Please be a little bit more patient. There > > > will be an upgrade. > > > I would love to see Adrian and hsis products actively back in the > > Acorn market. Any chance? > > I think he's considering that at the moment. How can we show interest.... MArk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:02 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tAYs-0005Ck-Bk-0005EL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:02 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tAYs-0005Ck-Bk; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:34:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tAYs-0005Ck-Bk; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:34:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tAYk-0002Z0-Ma; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:34:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7UIYgG03640 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:34:42 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (p5091AE07.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.174.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7UIYfa03634 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:34:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19tAYa-0006NF-01 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:34:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:48:45 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist mark stephens wrote: > On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 08:04, Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] > > I think he's considering that at the moment. > How can we show interest.... I keep telling him. ;-) You could email him politely at acorn@looksystems.org.uk expressing interest in the 32-bit FontDir Pro. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tO2D-00025a-3O-00027k.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tO2D-00025a-3O; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:58:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tO2D-00025a-3O; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:58:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tO1z-0003fl-HB; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:57:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7V8vcH11516 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:57:38 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7V8vb411513 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:57:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.24.70] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A5489E1F0124; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:43:52 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:58:20 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist If I use the Ovation Pro v.2.72 Info Palette to put a word or phrase in bold, this seems to work ok: in contrast, if I want italics, I get some bizarre results. In Bembo, from four possible italic variants, it chooses ExtraBold Italic in preference to just plain Italic; in Arial, it picks out Black Italic. (I assume it is a co-incidence that it tends to go for the 'heaviest' one.) Why? Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tPs7-0004Dd-6h-0004FX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tPs7-0004Dd-6h; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:55:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tPs7-0004Dd-6h; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:55:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tPrz-00009S-Va; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:55:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VAtdP02212 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:55:39 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VAtbu02203 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:55:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.139.229] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tPrr-0002vO-BS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:55:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:18:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF & DDL Message-ID: <4c2a3a7974steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2a1995a5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> <4c2a1995a5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Aug, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net>, > Gerald Cobbe wrote: > > Again please excuse my ignorance but I've noticed that docs sam be > > saved as DDL files. I note that it stands for Document Description > > Language but what does that mean? > It's a plain text description of the document's structure and content, > whereas a normal OvnPro file is (I'd guess) just a copy of the content > of the computer's memory when it held the document file. Not really, DDF (Impression) is akin to RTF with it's use of and is nearer to plain text than most things. DDL is like a cross between a C program and RTF [Snip] > You can look at DDL files in a normal text editor. What's more, you > can change them in a normal text editor. You can even generate them > with other programs... The script output of Organizer is one such. > The main problem with DDL is that there's no complete description of > exactly how it works, though it's not hard to see roughly how it works. > The tried & tested method is to save a few sample documents which have > slight differences, and then see what to what extent the DDL is > different. It becomes a little more confusing when you discover options in the description language that: 1. Don't work because there is no support for that yet. 2. Sometimes work but might cause a crash if used and aren't accessible via the OvPro methods. and more... -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tPwU-0002dU-89-0002gK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tPwU-0002dU-89; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:00:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tPwU-0002dU-89; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:00:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tPw8-0001YT-6Q; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:00:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VAxvt03178 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:59:57 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VAxvJ03175 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:59:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk ([195.137.94.49]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with SMTP id h7VAwWiu003781; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:58:33 GMT Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:58:38 +0100 From: Ian Wolfe To: cgilogley@lornshil.demon.co.uk Subject: [softwarelist] New email address Message-ID: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Having gone Broadband my new email address is ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Kind regards. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tSyU-0007f0-Dp-0007gY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tSyU-0007f0-Dp; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:14:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tSyU-0007f0-Dp; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:14:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tSyL-0000TI-Bi; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:14:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VEEKd13097 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:14:20 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VEEKB13087 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:14:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from oemcomputer ([80.7.4.20]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030831141419.UCPW12286.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:14:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RTF & DDL References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> <4c29f4f60bdfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: jeff wallis MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:14:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4c29f4f60bdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist OK I give up - I've spent a couple of hours searching for these two applets - where can I get them? Jeff Wallis On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:39:01 +0100, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net>, > Gerald Cobbe wrote: >> Hi folks, >> Sorry if I've missed something very basic, but does anyone know if it's >> possible to save documents produced on Ovation Pro in RTF. >> Couldn't see anything in the manual but has some applet or filter been >> produced to do it. > >> Again please excuse my ignorance but I've noticed that docs sam be >> saved as DDL files. I note that it stands for Document Description >> Language but what does that mean? What progs can read them? Are they >> compatible with any progs on Windoze machines? > >> Any thoughts on either would be appreciated. > >> Regards > > Yes, there's an applet !MakeRTF to enable RTF Save, and of course the > !TransRTF filter for import. > > Cheers > Dave S > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:18 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tVLa-00003V-AO-00005Z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tVLa-00003V-AO; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:46:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tVLa-00003V-AO; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:46:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tVLL-0001UG-Kj; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VGkG803354 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:16 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VGkFH03343 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk ([195.137.94.49]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with SMTP id h7VGkCiv029105 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:46:14 GMT Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:40:32 +0100 From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New email address Message-ID: <45deaf2a4c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I apologise if I have made a mess of this notification (ie in the wrong place or a repeat notice) but... Having gone Broadband my new email address is ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Kind regards. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tWHZ-0000Rq-7v-0000WD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tWHZ-0000Rq-7v; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tWHZ-0000Rq-7v; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tWHK-0008UG-AE; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:46:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VHjwB27363 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:58 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VHjwI27360 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.122.26] (helo=62.188.122.26) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tWGx-0008TQ-QO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:44:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , michael talibard wrote: > If I use the Ovation Pro v.2.72 Info Palette to put a word or > phrase in bold, this seems to work ok: in contrast, if I want > italics, I get some bizarre results. In Bembo, from four possible > italic variants, it chooses ExtraBold Italic in preference to just > plain Italic; in Arial, it picks out Black Italic. (I assume it is a > co-incidence that it tends to go for the 'heaviest' one.) > Why? > Michael Talibard Doesn't it choose the first italic font in that family, as listed when you view the fonts / weights / styles available? HTH Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tWHn-0000lA-6q-0000o5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tWHn-0000lA-6q; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tWHn-0000lA-6q; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:46:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tWHK-0006sr-Fn; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:46:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VHjuG27337 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:56 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VHjt927331 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.122.26] (helo=62.188.122.26) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tWGv-0008TQ-8U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:45:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:42:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: RTF & DDL Message-ID: <4c2ab57f20steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> <4c29f4f60bdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , jeff wallis wrote: > OK I give up - I've spent a couple of hours searching for these two applets > - where can I get them? > Jeff Wallis They are not applets as such, they are filters; they reside in a directory of the same name. Be wary - if I remember right, they have been / need to be upgraded to 32 bit compatibility (if that's the right way to put it!) HTH Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tWar-00023c-FS-00025h.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tWar-00023c-FS; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:06:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tWar-00023c-FS; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:06:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tWal-0000ag-LT; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:06:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VI6JO03244 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:06:19 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VI6IE03238 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:06:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.24.70] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A5E0A6140124; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:52:32 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:07:02 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: References: <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> Steve Yandell wrote: > Doesn't it choose the first italic font in that family? Oddly, no, it doesn't. For example, in Bembo it has to go past Bold.Italic to get to ExtraBold.Italic; what I want it to pick out, of course, is just plain Italic (except when I was already using Bold or ExtraBold). -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tWua-0007G4-Em-0007I4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tWua-0007G4-Em; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:26:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tWua-0007G4-Em; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:26:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tWuL-0004Fi-Uq; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:26:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VIQVZ10684 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:26:31 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VIQVZ10678 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:26:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.202.132] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tWuD-000FyJ-CX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:26:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:27:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF & DDL Message-ID: <4c2ab9b222dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <937ccc294c.Gerald@virgin.net> <4c29f4f60bdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , jeff wallis wrote: > To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Message-ID: > User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 > OK I give up - I've spent a couple of hours searching for these two > applets - where can I get them? > Jeff Wallis You top posted and made sh*te order of the mailing, and came very close to not getting an answer. Try David Breakwell. Last address I had for him was... davidb@argonet.co.uk Grumpy D If you have a legit copy of Ovation Pro DDL is already on the Save menu options. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tX7W-0002QA-FS-0002SA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tX7W-0002QA-FS; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:40:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tX7W-0002QA-FS; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:40:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tX7P-0005QB-96; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:40:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VIe4f15795 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:40:04 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VIe3315784 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:40:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=50447 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tX7K-0003ie-Sh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:40:02 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55419 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tX7K-0004OH-4R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:40:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c36ff7$e285ca50$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:41:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:07 PM, michael talibard wrote: > In message <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> Steve Yandell wrote: > > >> Doesn't it choose the first italic font in that family? > > Oddly, no, it doesn't. For example, in Bembo it has to go past > Bold.Italic to get to ExtraBold.Italic; what I want it to pick out, > of course, is just plain Italic (except when I was already using > Bold or ExtraBold). > It is only sensible to use the 3 Buttons and Effects (N, B, I, B+I) ONLY for font families with 2 weights (in upright style) with 2 slanted styles. One weight is bolder than the other. In general this was the structure for older fonts, delivered in Acorn/RISC OS world. On other platforms it is still the structure with a maximum of 4 'effects' or fonts in one family. But, opposed to RISC OS, the part of the name of a font isn't limited to the root (e.g. Bembo) and you don't find large font families in font menu's. You find e.g. a *family* Bembo (with Regular, Italic, Bold and Bold Italic) and another *family* Bembo ExtraBold (with (Regular) and Italic) and so on. In case of Ovation Pro (and other programs) only Bembo is seen as the font family. The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence -with exception of Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. So, it isn't wise to use buttons or effects in font families with another structure. One of these 'structures' are large font families (like your example of Bembo) or a font family with more than 2 weights (like Kabel with only 4 or 5 'upright' fonts). You can set the correct font (weight and or style) in the font menu. In Edit-->Style and in e.g. Info Palette. Of course, in many instances, the buttons don't show the correct state (Italic or Normal). BTW: In my opinion, it is best to use the font menu in all situations. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tXli-0001Fr-98-0001HP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:24 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tXli-0001Fr-98; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:21:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tXli-0001Fr-98; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:21:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tXlW-0003cH-Sk; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:21:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h7VJLTo29831 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:21:29 +0100 Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h7VJLSa29824 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:21:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from iyonix [212.9.24.70] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A77DA2401C2; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:07:41 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:22:16 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: References: <4c2ab5bf06steyan@argonet.co.uk> <000e01c36ff7$e285ca50$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000e01c36ff7$e285ca50$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <000e01c36ff7$ . . . > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: [snip] > The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence - with exception of > Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. Thank you! Now, at least, I understand what is happening. The question remains, does it really have to be this way? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tigP-0002XU-88-0002Zx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tigP-0002XU-88; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:01:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tigP-0002XU-88; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:01:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tig8-0003W9-Rf; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 08:00:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8170SP01013 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:00:28 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk (smtp.mailbox.net.uk [195.82.125.32]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8170Qa01006 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:00:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.18.234.229] (helo=bd39.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.mailbox.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19tifq-0001KT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 08:00:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 08:01:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New Applet - FitWidth Message-ID: <4c2afea781andrew@owlart.net> In-Reply-To: <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <4c2307783dchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua> <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk> <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4c23947f0ctim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > In article <4c23803b81owlart@argonet.co.uk>, > Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > > In article <001101c364e1$69487000$6502a8c0@padua>, > > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > Does anyone else have these problems? > >From the menu, I get Tonnie's result with Trinity. Just about > >everything else seems to work properly. Vivaldi overdid things and put > >the last word on the next line. I've now fixed this problem and uploaded a new version to my website as well as sending a copy to Chris Johnson for his site. Andrew -- http://www.owlart.net/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Andrew@owlart.net | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tjYc-0000Dv-Fn-0000GR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tjYc-0000Dv-Fn; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:57:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tjYc-0000Dv-Fn; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:57:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tjYW-0002L4-IO; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 08:56:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h817uq916430 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:56:52 +0100 Received: from mail-relay-5.warwick.ac.uk (mail-relay-5.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.128.30]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h817upT16424 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:56:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk (host-97-8-205-137 [137.205.8.97]) by mail-relay-5.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h817up2v017326 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:56:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from trevor (wbs-dhcp-b055 [137.205.186.55]) by mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h817unjT027057 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:56:49 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] italics Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:56:23 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Michael Talibard wrote about Tonnie's explanation: > > The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence - with > exception of > > Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. > > Thank you! Now, at least, I understand what is happening. > > The question remains, does it really have to be this way? Ah, there's a question that probably has DP quivering quietly in a corner. I wrote the following on 1 September 1999 (4 years ago to the day, curiously enough), quoting my original psuedocode from July 1997. Aren't email archives wonderful! I wonder if I'll be re-quoting it for the new release of Ovation Guru in September 2007... ;-) Cheers, Nick ============================================== Subject: RE: Setting the italic font as italic David Pilling wrote: > >It's not exactly difficult to parse a font name and then look for the > >next lighter/heavier/narrower/wider/whatever face for which the other > >parameters remain unchanged. Of course, that might not be what you > >want, although it seemed to work OK for me when I tinkered with it. > > Didn't write down the algorithm though did you ;-) > > I promise I will have another go at this. Trouble is I've > probably forgotten what the horrid snags are that made me > give up last time. I did pseudocode something that seemed sensible to me on 31 July 97. I've dug it out of the archive. Any use? [snip] > On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Anthony Hilton wrote: > The algorithm for italic should _simply_ append the .italic to the > current font name (or more accurately search for a name with .italic > appended to the root font name) instead of finding the first instance > in the list which ends .italic, but is not .bold.italic. It would > then be flexible enough to cope with font families with many > different weights and subsets, as Rupert Thompson cited for Times > with various scripts. OK how's this for (very) pseudocode... Italic effect: - Take current complete font name (including all weights and styles) - Check if it's tail already contains any of: italic, bold.italic, oblique or bold.oblique. If so, toggle and exit. - Check for an italic version of the complete font name. If so, apply and exit. - Check for an oblique version. If so, apply and exit. - If neither found then simply exit (let the punter sort it out for themselves) Bold effect: - Take current complete font name (including all weights and styles) - Check if it's tail already contains: bold, bold.italic, bold.oblique. If so, toggle and exit. - Check if tail contains italic or oblique. Flag if so. - Check for a bold version of the complete font name (looking up a level if italic/oblique has been flagged. If so, apply and exit. - If not found then simply exit (again let the punter sort it out for themselves) Does that cover the most common eventualities? [snip] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tkdX-0005IB-8R-00005x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tkdX-0005IB-8R; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:07:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tkdX-0005IB-8R; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:06:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tkd2-0003iL-48; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:05:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8194se07530 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:04:54 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8194qi07519 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:04:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=43492 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tkcG-0006j4-CP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:04:52 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55885 helo=padua) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tkcF-0003DE-E1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:04:51 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:41:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Monday, September 01, 2003 8:56 AM, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Michael Talibard wrote about Tonnie's explanation: > >>> The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence - with >>> exception of Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. >> >> Thank you! Now, at least, I understand what is happening. >> >> The question remains, does it really have to be this way? > > Ah, there's a question that probably has DP quivering quietly in a > corner. > > I wrote the following on 1 September 1999 (4 years ago to the day, > curiously enough), quoting my original psuedocode from July 1997. > Aren't email archives wonderful! I wonder if I'll be re-quoting it > for the new release of Ovation Guru in September 2007... > > ;-) Not anything reported to DP is in the archives ... I think the main problem is the fact that 'font family' or 'root' is more widely defined and used from the font menu than can be achieved with the 3 buttons and effects. Normal and Bolder-than-Normal are upright styles for a given 'font family. They can get company of 'oblique = slanted' or 'italic = script-like' styles. But, there is very little room to describe a 'font family of 4 members', when *older* fonts have to be taken into account. E.g. Bookmark, which comes with Light (N), Light.Italic (I), Demi (B) and Demi.Italic (BI) compared to a Bookman with these weights, but also a (Plain), Italic, Bold, Bold.Italic Besides that -I don't understand this choice- the additional problem of all the instances, where 'Medium' is added to a font, where (Plain) is meant. Times Roman or Times New Roman has become Trinity.Medium Helvetica has become Homerton.Medium. There is Helvetica, but there is also Helvetica Medium ... Palatino has become Paladin.Roman and Pembroke.Medium And in all those cases only the first part (before the first full stop) is seen as font name. So, I don't think it can be solved by looking at the (alphabetical) structure of the weight names. I also don't think it can be solved by comparing the boldness of strokes. I think, only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... For Buttons and Effects the other platform is better equipped, for in a TrueType font also the 'group of 4' is also described in the font file of every font. No confusion, no matter which 4 weights are made part of such a 'group of 4'. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tnDM-0005Dt-Dy-0002q3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tnDM-0005Dt-Dy; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:54:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tnDM-0005Dt-Dy; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:51:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tnD9-00032H-1b; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:51:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h81Bor210816 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:50:53 +0100 Received: from smtp09.wxs.nl (smtp09.wxs.nl [195.121.6.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h81BopF10805 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:50:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HKJ001ZEA5TIB@smtp09.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:49:06 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:50:02 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] italics In-reply-to: <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua> To: Ovation Pro Message-id: <4c2b191b76paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > So, I don't think it can be solved by looking at the (alphabetical) > structure of the weight names. I also don't think it can be solved by > comparing the boldness of strokes. > I think, only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... I really hate to say this, but Impression always has chosen the correct italics and the correct bolds automatically. So, it CAN be done. Once I wrote a very simple basic program that also automatically gave the correct bolds and italics on any given font, no matter how many weights there are. I've even sent it to David Pilling. But apparently, there are more obstacles to overcome than finding the right name alone. Impression, though, cou... no, I've said enough. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19tp2E-0005yi-7G-0003s0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19tp2E-0005yi-7G; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:48:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19tp2E-0005yi-7G; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:47:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19tp1t-0001TS-RR; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 14:47:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h81DlOU00841 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:47:24 +0100 Received: from mail-relay-1.warwick.ac.uk (mail-relay-1.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.128.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h81DlMj00825 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:47:23 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk (host-97-8-205-137 [137.205.8.97]) by mail-relay-1.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h81DlL1W012374 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:47:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from trevor (wbs-dhcp-b055 [137.205.186.55]) by mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h81DlJjT027138 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:47:20 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] italics Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:46:52 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > On Monday, September 01, 2003 8:56 AM, I wrote: > > I wrote the following on 1 September 1999 (4 years ago to the day, > > curiously enough), quoting my original psuedocode from July 1997. > > Aren't email archives wonderful! I wonder if I'll be re-quoting it > > for the new release of Ovation Guru in September 2007... > > > > ;-) > > Not anything reported to DP is in the archives ... Ah, but it was in *my* email archive. It was from the old mailing list, at barnet.ac.uk, AFAICR. > So, I don't think it can be solved by looking at the (alphabetical) > structure of the weight names. I also don't think it can be solved by > comparing the boldness of strokes. > I think, only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... Fair points made, particularly for questions of weight (eg. bold, demi, semibold, extrabold, heavy etc). However, it should be possible to make a list-based judgment of what is a given weight (look for those words, in order and pick first match) and more easily still for italic/oblique. It might not be 100% right, but it would not be plain wrong. What OP shouldn't do (as this thread started) is change a medium weight into an extrabold just because an 'italic effect' is clicked. Ideally, it should be able to maintain a context of the current weight and slant *separately* and make a smarter choice from the available options when choosing a new effect. Now what would be even better would be if RISC OS fonts carried PANOSE information... Cheers, Nick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19turX-0005Yy-8D-0004A4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19turX-0005Yy-8D; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:00:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19turX-0005Yy-8D; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:01:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19turH-0002h4-42; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:01:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h81K0Tq19367 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:00:29 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h81K0RI19355 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:00:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=49399 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tuqh-0000QI-6R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:00:27 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55054 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19tuqg-0003Ga-Bu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:00:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c370c0$7f64a580$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:36:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Monday, September 01, 2003 2:46 PM, Nick Kaijaks wrote: when Tonnie Demarteau wrote: >> I think, only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... > Fair points made, particularly for questions of weight (eg. bold, > demi, semibold, extrabold, heavy etc). However, it should be possible > to make a list-based judgment of what is a given weight (look for > those words, in order and pick first match) and more easily still for > italic/oblique. It might not be 100% right, but it would not be plain > wrong. I disagree: not 100% right is wrong in my view. > What OP shouldn't do (as this thread started) is change a medium > weight into an extrabold just because an 'italic effect' is clicked. > Ideally, it should be able to maintain a context of the current > weight and slant *separately* and make a smarter choice from the > available options when choosing a new effect. I agree as far as Italic/Oblique/Slanted are seen as the second possible style, where as Upright is the first. And a weight -be it Medium or ExtraBold or what else- can have only one of those 2. > Now what would be even better would be if RISC OS fonts carried PANOSE > information... Or other additional information. Of course supported by the fontmanager ... Of course with all 10 parameters correctly entered. Whilst 'correct' is correct-without-doubt. TrueType fonts in windows can have PANOSE information. This is added manually by the font designer, based on his view, for the parameters are used to be able to find similar fonts based on similarity in appearance. Many fonts have only info in the first 3 parameters. Metrics aren't taken into account. Windows fontmanager supports it. How can be seen in sorting Fonts in Windows on similarity ... Or in the header of e.g. a RTF exported from Word. At least I am more than amazed by what is considered as 'very similar'. Anyway, even when it would be implemented in RISC OS, it wouldn't help for all the existing fonts. I agree, this is far away from the original question. I still think, that only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19txEB-0000x5-C4-00011f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19txEB-0000x5-C4; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:32:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19txEB-0000x5-C4; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:32:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19txDy-0000UV-UM; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:32:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h81MWVW02852 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:32:31 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h81MWUC02849 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:32:30 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from tnt-12-247.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.20.247] helo=miranda.philipnet.com) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19txDp-0000le-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:32:29 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26DB2BEB4 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:29:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 01 Sep 2003 18:28:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:28:57 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: RE: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) X-Sender: Philip Ludlam X-Sender-URL: http://www.philipnet.com/ X-Editor: StrongED 4.66 (stable) X-Editor-URL: http://www.stronged.iconbar.com/ X-Desktop-Utility: Director X-Desktop-Utility-URL: http://director.sourceforge.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 1 Sep, in message "Nick Kaijaks" wrote: >Michael Talibard wrote about Tonnie's explanation: > >> > The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence - with >> exception of >> > Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. >> >> Thank you! Now, at least, I understand what is happening. >> >> The question remains, does it really have to be this way? > >Ah, there's a question that probably has DP quivering quietly in a corner. > >I wrote the following on 1 September 1999 (4 years ago to the day, curiously >enough), quoting my original psuedocode from July 1997. Aren't email >archives wonderful! I wonder if I'll be re-quoting it for the new release of >Ovation Guru in September 2007... [snip] >Does that cover the most common eventualities? [snip] One would hope that certain system variables would be of help here: Font$Bold : Bold ExtraBold Ultra Heavy Black Font$Italic : Italic Oblique Slant (as used/set by EasiWriter). Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com http://director.sourceforge.net i ou a uea i e a o ie e a o a a oue oae -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19u8Wb-0005aG-4k-0003AS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:57 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19u8Wb-0005aG-4k; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:43:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19u8Wb-0005aG-4k; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:36:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19u8WA-0006vY-HG; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:36:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h82AZm529916 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:35:48 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h82AZkF29902 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:35:46 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=46608 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u8Vm-0006eO-4T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:35:46 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55224 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u8Vl-0007ph-5I for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:35:45 +0200 Message-ID: <004501c3713a$abf64070$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2b191b76paul@delink.nl> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:07:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Monday, September 01, 2003 12:50 PM, Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <001501c37064$e9dc1120$6502a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > >> So, I don't think it can be solved by looking at the (alphabetical) >> structure of the weight names. I also don't think it can be solved by >> comparing the boldness of strokes. >> I think, only a user can solve it by not using Effects or Buttons ... > > I really hate to say this, but Impression always has chosen the > correct italics and the correct bolds automatically. So, it CAN be > done. > > Once I wrote a very simple basic program that also automatically gave > the correct bolds and italics on any given font, no matter how many > weights there are. I've even sent it to David Pilling. But > apparently, there are more obstacles to overcome than finding the > right name alone. Impression, though, cou... no, I've said enough. I agree, that Impression does a better job here. The info palette shows clearly, that in case of e.g. Bembo.ExtraBold or Optima.(Demi)Bold or Optima.UltraBold and Italics, Impression doesn't use Bembo or Optima as root, but -when appropriate- the additional weight. That is a 'longer fontname', than the part before the first full stop. Impression also doesn't go or doesn't has the need to go for the 'first' alphabetical appearance of an Italic/Oblique. Sadly, what is done correct in Impression, becomes wrong when imported (via IMP filter) in OP , when Italic is used as Effect in Impression ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 19:17:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19u8eF-00011J-7d-000161.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:17:58 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19u8eF-00011J-7d; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:44:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19u8eF-00011J-7d; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:44:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19u8WA-0001eT-W3; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:36:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h82AZmP29923 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:35:48 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h82AZln29906 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:35:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=46611 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u8Vm-0008Sf-JK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:35:46 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55224 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19u8Vl-0007ph-CW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:35:45 +0200 Message-ID: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:12:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Monday, September 01, 2003 6:28 PM, Philip Ludlam wrote: > On 1 Sep, in message > "Nick > Kaijaks" wrote: > >> Michael Talibard wrote about Tonnie's explanation: >> >>>The effect 'Italic' is applied to the first occurrence - with >>> exception of Bold.Italic. Maybe also Demi.Italic. >>> >>> Thank you! Now, at least, I understand what is happening. >>> >>> The question remains, does it really have to be this way? >> >> Ah, there's a question that probably has DP quivering quietly in a >> corner. > [snip] > >> Does that cover the most common eventualities? > > [snip] > > One would hope that certain system variables would be of help here: > Font$Bold : Bold ExtraBold Ultra Heavy Black > Font$Italic : Italic Oblique Slant > > (as used/set by EasiWriter). Applying effects (menu or button) in Easiwriter does what it says. Applying effects, based on the weights installed. Not on fonts, which are actually used, when the doc was composed. This means, the weights don't have to be the same. Example: Optima.Bold, Optima.DemiBold, Optima.UltraBold. Make a document with some text in Optima and set it to Bold with button or Bold effect in Text menu. Text menu says: Font: Optima Regular. Effect Bold with tick Typestyle: Optima Regular Plain. Save this document. Load this document with only Optima.DemiBold and Optima.UltraBold. Easiwriter loads this doc, using DemiBold. No mentioning of missing Bold. The effect can still correctly be applied by EW by using DemiBold. Info in text menu is still correct and remains the same. Load this document with only Optima.UltraBold. Easiwriter loads this doc, using DemiBold. No mentioning of missing Bold. The effect can still correctly be applied by EW by using UltraBold. Info in text menu is still correct and remains the same. BTW: to be able to do such an experiment, you have to be sure, that font menu of EW shows the actually present fonts and also that the fontcache is clear. To make sure, that the weight is used as intended, the font has also to be chosen from the fontmenu. Or -likely- be imported as DDF from Impression. Obviously, I also don't think that system$variables would be of help here in case of fonts with 'possibly' more or other 'bolder' weights. I agree with Paul Sprangers, that Impression does a better job here. Together with the Windows version of Ovation Pro, in which no large font families are supported by the font manager. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 21:33:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uHH9-0006AM-8n-0007PJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:33:21 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uHH9-0006AM-8n; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:32:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uHH9-0006AM-8n; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:57:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uHGu-0006Uh-Kz; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:57:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h82Juoa30267 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:56:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h82JuoU30264 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:56:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uHGj-000MHc-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:56:49 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:55:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Subject: Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c2a0652b6bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4c29b01993lists@locsource.com> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c29b01993lists@locsource.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain In article <4c29b01993lists@locsource.com>, Kell Gatherer wrote: > In article <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon > wrote: [Snip] > > I have converted FontDir Pro to 32-bit. It's now up to > > Adrian Look to do the distribution. Please be a little bit > > more patient. There will be an upgrade. > As a beta-tester, I can confirm that FontDir Pro performs > immaculately on the Iyonix. Stefan did the conversion, and > Richard Hallas created a nifty new icon set. Hopefully it will > be released officially very soon now. Can either of you say whether the new version will be available for use on machines other than Iyonix and if so, whether the inflexible copy-protection has been removed? Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@f2s.com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 2 23:27:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uHOV-0002lD-9J-0006XZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:27:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uHOV-0002lD-9J; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:26:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uHOV-0002lD-9J; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:04:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uHOM-0003T9-OD; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:04:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h82K4Gw00593 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:04:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h82K4FW00588 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:04:15 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uHNv-00006K-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:04:15 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:03:04 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I agree with Paul Sprangers, that Impression does a better job here. >Together with the Windows version of Ovation Pro, in which no large font >families are supported by the font manager. This has been a long running saga. Why have I done nothing? Mostly because of the amount of effort that was expended in arriving at the current situation - few people say they like the current way it works, but I think you all liked the previous way even less. I've yet to see an alternative proposed which stands out as being perfect - i.e. making every one happy all the time. Partly this is an excuse, but any scheme has to work on all the fonts around and in the way many people expect. It also really has to work in practice. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 00:23:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uHIH-0006CV-4V-0002Rd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:23:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uHIH-0006CV-4V; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:23:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uHIH-0006CV-4V; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:58:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uHI7-0002VH-Sx; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:58:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h82JwBF30773 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:58:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h82JwA930770 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:58:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uHI1-000MSO-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:58:09 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:56:52 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Fonts in Windows References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: M P Churchill >Subject: [softwarelist] Fonts in Windows I find that I cannot select the correct font in OvPro for Win. I am using Windows XP Home, with rather a lot of fonts installed. When I select a font which has a single entry (no weights available) it works OK. When I select one with different weights/styles, a completely different font gets used. There is some pattern to this - if I choose the four styles of a font one after the other, I get four (different) fonts but in sequence. Any ideas? Just too many fonts to cope with? -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 02:19:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uMIl-0004uy-Fl-0004yt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:19:41 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uMIl-0004uy-Fl; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:19:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uMIl-0004uy-Fl; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:19:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uMIb-0008BT-FG; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:19:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h831IrR26210 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:18:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h831Iqp26207 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:18:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uMIN-000A1f-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:18:51 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:17:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Fonts in Windows References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I find that I cannot select the correct font in OvPro for Win. I am >using >Any ideas? Just too many fonts to cope with? No idea. Certainly earlier versions did have bugs in that gave effects like you describe. The OPW font menu is a sore point, although XP will let you scroll the menu the effect is poor and other versions of Windows don't scroll at all. Anyway, the next version has its own font menu. So the bottom line is wait until it is out. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 02:21:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uML3-0003Rc-41-0003TD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:21:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uML3-0003Rc-41; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:21:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uML3-0003Rc-41; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:21:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uMKy-000072-2b; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:21:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h831LUL26657 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:21:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h831LT826653 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:21:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19uMKu-0001bK-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:21:28 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:19:53 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > Rick Murray wrote: > Hello everybody! > > "OvHTML" is a filter for Ovation Pro that allows you to import HTML > documents. It supports a variety of HTML tags, GIF and JPEG images, > and it'll try to render to something akin to HTML 2.0 (ie, it > doesn't do tables or frames). > There are a multitude of options. I think it is safe to say that the > output created is SO close to Fresco (when running with > tables/frames disabled) that I've found myself clicking a blue > underlined word in the Ovation Pro window and wondering why nothing > happens ... on more than one occaision! > > But, it doesn't stop there! > > My original aim for OvHTML was to read the Buffy shooting scripts. > Most of these are in a 'centred' table, and all the text is in > "Verdana". Well, I'd prefer no table, and the dialogue to be in > Corpus, with the dialogue attribution to be in bold. Amazingly, > OvHTML can DO THIS for me! There is a 'translation' system that > allows you to replace one HTML tag with another, mess with certain > aspects of the parser output, etc etc. > > There's EVEN more! A special tag allows you to define > certain aspects of the output - most usefully the base text size and > the base leading. So no longer does the "Nurse Betty" screenplay > look messy on A4. Just make the text a tad smaller, and let it roll. > > And there's more! A special tag will call in the > "Scripter" system. It is an HTML-like scripting system designed by > me that you can use to write screenplays. This is part of OvHTML as > it shares a lot of the parsing methodology. > > And there's more (good god!)... After running OvHTML, you'll notice > Ovation Pro has three "save" options... Document, DDL, and... you > guessed it, HTML ! The HTML output is not very good (early days), > but it's a hell of a lot better than doing it by hand from ASCII or > DDL output... > > If you have ever thought of writing a screenplay or teleplay, or if > you've ever wondered about importing/exporting HTML to/from Ovation > Pro, then OvHTML is what you need. > > > ********************** > IT IS COMPLETELY FREE! > ********************** > > > Simply point your browser at: > http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html > > > PS: The idea of the user guide is that you print it pamphlet style > (retaining the 71% scale) to A4, back to back. Fold the lot > together, and there's 20 pages of user guide (5 pieces of A4). > > The Scripter user guide is seperate as it is more specialised. > > The HTML export guide is seperate as the exporter is an early > version. > > And the release notes describe all sorts of useful things, > including examples of what OvHTML loaded, a listing of ALL of > the recognised tags, and other things to note. > > > -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 14:01:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uQGV-00053F-Bi-00054C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:01:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uQGV-00053F-Bi; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:33:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uQGV-00053F-Bi; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:33:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uQGL-0004HO-Ij; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 06:33:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h835Wks11216 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 06:32:46 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (p5091A531.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.165.49]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h835Wjr11208 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 06:32:45 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [192.168.0.105] (helo=iyonix) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19uQG4-0002mw-00 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 07:32:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 07:32:46 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c2bfe3d8dsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: > In article <4c29b01993lists@locsource.com>, Kell Gatherer > wrote: [snip] > > As a beta-tester, I can confirm that FontDir Pro performs > > immaculately on the Iyonix. Stefan did the conversion, and > > Richard Hallas created a nifty new icon set. Hopefully it will > > be released officially very soon now. > Can either of you say whether the new version will be available for > use on machines other than Iyonix Yes, it will work from RISC OS 3.11 onwards. There are quite some bug-fixes. And you can "theme" your icons. ;-) > and if so, whether the inflexible copy-protection has been removed? We're currently discussing that. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 14:01:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uTSl-0006k3-68-0006pF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:01:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uTSl-0006k3-68; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:58:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uTSl-0006k3-68; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:58:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uTSY-0007vc-AD; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:57:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h838veG30177 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:57:40 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h838vdL30171 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:57:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=34101 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uTSN-0008VV-Eh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:57:39 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55604 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uTSL-0002T1-62 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:57:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c37201$f2ea9720$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:58:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:03 PM, David Pilling wrote: >> I agree with Paul Sprangers, that Impression does a better job here. >> Together with the Windows version of Ovation Pro, in which no large >> font families are supported by the font manager. > > > > This has been a long running saga. Why have I done nothing? Mostly > because of the amount of effort that was expended in arriving at the > current situation - few people say they like the current way it works, > but I think you all liked the previous way even less. > > I've yet to see an alternative proposed which stands out as being > perfect - i.e. making every one happy all the time. Partly this is an > excuse, but any scheme has to work on all the fonts around and in the > way many people expect. It also really has to work in practice. Here is a summary of what I think, what would work better ...best. Linking the effect Italic (button or edit-->Style or effect) to the weight in use as the second style, where the upright is the first style, would please at least more people than me. xxx.ExtraBold(.Upright) and xxx.ExtraBold.Italic xxx.Extended.Demi(.Upright) and xxx.Extended.Demi.Oblique This would not interfere with importing with Impression filter. This would not 'break' older documents, for the full name of a used font is used in the OPdoc/DDL. As far as I know. This would work with all the fonts around. This would work in the way many people expect. This would also make exchange with the Windows version OK. At the moment this 'peculiar' behaviour is also imported to Windows, when a document (with wrong Italics) is taken to the Windows version. I think this is a very good time for this 'change' ... As far as Normal...Bold and other weights are concerned, I still think it is best to use the font menu for fonts with more than 2 weights. By weight I mean a weight with possible 2 styles: upright (= Italic button/effect off) and slanted (=Italic button/effect on). Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 14:01:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uTif-0002mC-6T-0003iD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:01:37 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uTif-0002mC-6T; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:14:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uTif-0002mC-6T; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:14:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uTiS-0004ix-WA; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:14:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h839EC203723 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:14:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h839EBk03708 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:14:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uTiL-00050O-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:14:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:13:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > I've yet to see an alternative proposed which stands out as being > perfect - i.e. making every one happy all the time. Partly this is an > excuse, but any scheme has to work on all the fonts around and in the > way many people expect. It also really has to work in practice. I think you'd need to leave the existing code in place for backwards compatibility, but if you introduce any alternate system(s), make it possible to turn them with a per-document configuration option. Rather than writing a fixed new alogorithm into the internals of OP, is it possible to have the keypresses on the bold/italic/etc buttons passed to an applet which could then make the decision on what font to select? If so, and someone can produce a skeleton applet that does this, other people can then fiddle with the precise logic inside the applet to get the effect that they want, which would be more versatile, and probably easier & quicker for you. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 14:22:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uXRE-0007TP-7p-0003UR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:22:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uXRE-0007TP-7p; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:22:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uXRE-0007TP-7p; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:12:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXQM-00051s-CC; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:11:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DBdm14035 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:11:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DBax14005 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:11:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXQ7-0005Zg-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:11:35 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:10:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c2bfe3d8dsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c2bfe3d8dsbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Brian Carroll >Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:13:29 +0100 In article <4c2bfe3d8dsbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > David Pilling wrote: In article <4c29b01993lists@locsource.com>, [That should be from me; see postscript] [Snip] > > Can either of you say whether the new version will be > > available for use on machines other than Iyonix > Yes, it will work from RISC OS 3.11 onwards. There are quite > some bug-fixes. And you can "theme" your icons. ;-) Thanks for this info, Stephan. > > and if so, whether the inflexible copy-protection has been > > removed? > We're currently discussing that. It is really not copy protection - just a nuisance to have a nag-message when the application is run on a machine with an ID other than the one for which it was registered. With such an old application there must be quite a few people like me who have changed machines or motherboard. This could be removed with no detriment to the supplier. Do you really need anything more than a record of the existing registration number? Brian. PS. Can anyone explain why my last message, sent with Message-ID: <4c2a0652b6bric@f2s.com> , says it is from David Pilling, which results in David being attributed with quotes that were from me? It also messes up Pluto's threading and the auto-deletion of the original message. The header includes: From: David Pilling instead of what was sent: From: Brian Carroll Is it the change of sender address? -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@f2s.com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 14:28:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uXRi-0002xX-3x-0001ms.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:28:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uXRi-0002xX-3x; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:28:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uXRi-0002xX-3x; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:13:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXRW-0005F0-Aq; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:13:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DCww14725 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:12:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DCvA14720 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:12:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXRQ-000Lzc-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:12:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:11:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Subject: Sprinter References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: "Grant R(Forums)" >Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 12:38:30 +0100 Hi David, Please tell me if it would it be possible and how easy to modify SPrinter to: 1) Run without using the iconbar? 2) When a sprite is produced, to filer_run it in scrap 3) Produce jpegs instead of sprites? Thanks, -- Kind Regards, Grant Randall Yorkshire, GB http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grant.randall Randalls Home Page During shift periods, I may be slow to reply, please bear with me... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 14:31:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uXip-00067W-Bz-0007Ia.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:31:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uXip-00067W-Bz; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:31:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uXip-00067W-Bz; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:30:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXWk-0008SC-Ee; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:18:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DIMc17019 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:18:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DILk17015 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:18:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXWf-0008h4-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:18:21 +0100 Message-ID: <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:17:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Rather than writing a fixed new alogorithm into the internals of OP, is >it possible to have the keypresses on the bold/italic/etc buttons >passed to an applet which could then make the decision on what font to >select? That sounds appealing. I'll perhaps look at it. Would shift the problem to those who think they can solve it 8-) There are some catches, I've been into all this in some depth in the past, I can't necessarily remember at this instant what the problems are. Secondly as you say there is an issue with document compatibility, the first level of which is that a document when reloaded doesn't change. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 14:39:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uXpZ-0003tN-Bt-00078n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:39:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uXpZ-0003tN-Bt; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:39:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uXpZ-0003tN-Bt; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:37:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXp6-0002iG-Kj; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:37:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DbIV25332 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:37:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DbGK25318 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:37:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXox-000BSX-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:37:15 +0100 Message-ID: <+XQXr0D+4eV$EwKa@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:35:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c2bfe3d8dsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >PS. Can anyone explain why my last message, sent with >Message-ID: <4c2a0652b6bric@f2s.com> , says it is from David >Pilling, which results in David being attributed with quotes that were >from me? It also messes up Pluto's threading and the auto-deletion of >the original message. The header includes: The problem is that if anyone sends email from an address that is not subscribed to the list it is bounced to me. In PC land I have failed to get the trick I used to use to reforward mail to the list to work correctly, so I just paste it into an email from me. Bottom line, please post from the address you are subscribed with. Another happy aspect of e-life brought to you by the mad spammers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 14:45:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uXup-0004jT-90-0001JU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:45:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uXup-0004jT-90; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:45:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uXup-0004jT-90; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:43:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXuG-0006Nq-DW; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:42:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83Dgdt27408 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:42:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83Dgd527402 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:42:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXuA-000HHH-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:42:38 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:41:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >There are some catches, I've been into all this in some depth in the >past, I can't necessarily remember at this instant what the problems >are. Here's one. OP is constructed around a big table of font names, each font has a flag saying if it is bold/italic. It would be easy to let an applet vote on this. Point being in each family you have one (and only one) italic member etc. However what some people would like is to be given a font name and then be allowed to say what happens if that font name is italicised. So Homerton.Italic could then become Homerton.Recumbent - i.e. two italic members, of different degrees. All this is not possible without major changes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:31:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uaWj-0001hx-6C-0005Or.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:31:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uaWj-0001hx-6C; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:32:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uaWj-0001hx-6C; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:30:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uaW6-0006vF-Uy; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:29:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83GTpx01641 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:29:52 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83GTnc01631 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:29:50 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=58104 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uaVx-0007Yz-5i for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:29:49 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55499 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uaVv-0000Ni-RI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:29:47 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c37241$1e2185e0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:30:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:41 PM, David Pilling wrote: >> There are some catches, I've been into all this in some depth in the >> past, I can't necessarily remember at this instant what the problems >> are. > > Here's one. OP is constructed around a big table of font names, each > font has a flag saying if it is bold/italic. It would be easy to let > an applet vote on this. Point being in each family you have one (and > only one) italic member etc. Yes. Point is, how you define 'family'. Not Trinity. Not AvantG. For these have two Italics. Or do you mean 'weight', like in: Trinity.Medium Trinity.Bold AvantG.Book AvantG.Demi Bookmark.Light Bookmark.Demi > However what some people would like is to be given a font name and > then be allowed to say what happens if that font name is italicised. > So Homerton.Italic could then become Homerton.Recumbent - i.e. two > italic members, of different degrees. All this is not possible > without major changes. You don't need any changes at all to allow all kind of deformations. No need for users to install all kind of cumbersome, calculated, home-made deformed fonts. No need for 'impossible' to compose or to manage font menu's. All this is possible without major changes. F6 -- Modify Text : skew to apply to a selection or to use as style. Any degree between -80 and 80 degrees. Or similar. Maybe even with part of degrees. It can even be made worse, by applying this (Oblique) to a real Italic (script alike style). And when people want all kinds of 'Extended' or 'Condensed', with or without combining these 'embellishments' with all degrees of Oblique, they can combine skew with changed aspect ratio. No need, at all to add such calculated 'things' to quality fonts. I seriously wonder, why a programmer wants to add such accommodations to the font menu of a quality DTP program. Good implementation for the use of one Italic for each family (= weight) will do. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:31:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uaal-0001nj-6s-0005sr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:31:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uaal-0001nj-6s; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:52:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uaal-0001nj-6s; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:34:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uaab-0000IR-ML; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:34:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83GYVP03417 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:34:31 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83GYSC03382 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:34:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from wallace ([195.137.110.177]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h83GYRit001514 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:34:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:09:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix Message-ID: <4c2c389089bric@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+XQXr0D+4eV$EwKa@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c2bfe3d8dsbellon@sbellon.de> <+XQXr0D+4eV$EwKa@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <+XQXr0D+4eV$EwKa@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [Brian Carroll and wrote:] > >PS. Can anyone explain why my last message, sent with > >Message-ID: <4c2a0652b6bric@f2s.com> , says it is from David > >Pilling, which results in David being attributed with quotes > >that were from me? ... etc > The problem is that if anyone sends email from an address that > is not subscribed to the list it is bounced to me. ... etc > Bottom line, please post from the address you are subscribed > with. OK David, I understand now. I will subscribe with bric@f2s.com and when that is working I can unsubscribe bric@argonet.co.uk . I am trying to discontinue the latter for all real email, which will simplify spam removal. I'm sorry to have caused you the extra work of cutting and pasting. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:31:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uabn-0003ss-6y-0007Uv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:31:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uabn-0003ss-6y; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:41:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uabn-0003ss-6y; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:35:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXqK-0001w1-75; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:38:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DccT25920 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:38:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DcaH25909 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:38:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXqF-000BeH-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:38:35 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:37:13 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Subject: Sprinter References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Please tell me if it would it be possible and how easy to modify >SPrinter to: > >1) Run without using the iconbar? > >2) When a sprite is produced, to filer_run it in scrap > >3) Produce jpegs instead of sprites? Possible. Easy. The source code for Sprinter appeared on the ROSL Risc User CD, so nothing in your way... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:31:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ucEl-0000w6-6u-00011Y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:31:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ucEl-0000w6-6u; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:20:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ucEl-0000w6-6u; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:20:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ucEW-0007P4-VZ; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:19:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83IJkh03356 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:19:46 +0100 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (netmail02.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.221]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h83IJgX03329 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:19:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 17780 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 18:19:36 -0000 Received: from 81-174-209-193.pth-as2.dial.plus.net (HELO localhost) (81.174.209.193) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 18:19:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:19:26 +0100 From: Keith Pascall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP Message-ID: <236e442c4c%klp@klpascall.plus.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > > Rick Murray wrote: > > > Hello everybody! > > > > "OvHTML" is a filter for Ovation Pro that allows you to import HTML > > documents. It supports a variety of HTML tags, GIF and JPEG images, [SNIP] > > > > Simply point your browser at: > > http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html > > Can anybody download this file? I just get 'web site requested http://127.0.0.1 could not be contacted' error from Oregano2. Regards, Keith -- Keith Pascall klp@klpascall.plus.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:31:48 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ucdH-0004pj-3Z-0004tb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:31:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ucdH-0004pj-3Z; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:45:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ucdH-0004pj-3Z; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:45:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ucd4-0003hE-12; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:45:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83IjF511761 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:45:15 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83IjEb11755 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:45:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030903184513.WRMN29794.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:45:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:45:29 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <236e442c4c%klp@klpascall.plus.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Wed 03 Sep, Keith Pascall wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > > Rick Murray wrote: > > > > > Hello everybody! > > > > > > "OvHTML" is a filter for Ovation Pro that allows you to import HTML > > > documents. It supports a variety of HTML tags, GIF and JPEG images, > [SNIP] > > > > > > Simply point your browser at: > > > http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html > > > > > Can anybody download this file? I just get 'web site requested > http://127.0.0.1 could not be contacted' error from Oregano2. Yes, just checked by clicking the link in your email and the page loaded fine. Though I had previously visited and have downloaded OvHTML it was not in my local cache as I have Fresco set to clear it at the end of every session. The address 127.0.0.1 is reserved as the 'loopback' or 'localhost' address of your own machine, and if you are not running an http server it is not surprising it is not contactable in this way. What is surprising is that the DNS lookup of www.heyrick.co.uk is returning the loopback address. I guess the first trouble-shooting step is to get a command window (Ctrl-F12) and type in ping www.heyrick.co.uk followed by ESCape after a little while. I get: *ping www.heyrick.co.uk PING cool.coolfactor.org (81.168.49.201): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 81.168.49.201: icmp_seq=0 ttl=243 time=80 ms 64 bytes from 81.168.49.201: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=90 ms 64 bytes from 81.168.49.201: icmp_seq=2 ttl=243 time=30 ms 64 bytes from 81.168.49.201: icmp_seq=3 ttl=243 time=80 ms 64 bytes from 81.168.49.201: icmp_seq=4 ttl=243 time=30 ms --- cool.coolfactor.org ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 30.000/62.000/90.000 ms * If you get something like this, but Oregano2 will still not resolve it properly the problem is somewhere in Oregano2. On the other hand if the ping returns the 127.0.0.1 address the DNS server you are contacting is wrong - complain to your ISP. In either case you can try substituting the address in the URL http://81.168.49.201/software/ovhtml.html and that should work. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:31:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ucmo-0002KC-8p-0002Lz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:31:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ucmo-0002KC-8p; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:55:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ucmo-0002KC-8p; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:55:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ucmT-0005F1-3i; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:55:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83Isub15026 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:54:56 +0100 Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83IstY15021 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:54:55 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [143.210.36.58] (helo=mail.star.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.21) id 19ucmM-0004aZ-NQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:54:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 19244 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 18:55:14 -0000 Received: from dms1.xra.le.ac.uk (HELO dms1) (143.210.40.191) by mail.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 18:55:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:54:53 +0100 (BST) From: Liam Gretton X-X-Sender: ljg@dms1 To: Ovation Pro List Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 03 Sep, Keith Pascall wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > Simply point your browser at: > > > > http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html > > > > > > > > Can anybody download this file? I just get 'web site requested > > http://127.0.0.1 could not be contacted' error from Oregano2. [snip loopback and ping stuff] > In either case you can try substituting the > address in the URL http://81.168.49.201/software/ovhtml.html and that should > work. I think Keith's talking about the link to the download itself: - it looks like the PHP code that dishes out the file is at fault. I don't get the loopback address from it, but http:///binaries/ctrl/ which is also an incorrect result. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:31:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ucn4-0007Qo-FU-0002yr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:31:49 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ucn4-0007Qo-FU; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:57:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ucn4-0007Qo-FU; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:55:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ucmm-0000ze-Oh; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:55:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83ItIp15128 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:55:18 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83ItGR15116 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:55:16 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:55:16 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:46:59 +0100 Received: from smtp-in1.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.12]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:21:22 +0100 Received: from exim12.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.47]) by smtp-in1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:19:03 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim12.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uXXL-00060C-2y; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:19:03 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXWm-0008SC-F5; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:18:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DIMc17019 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:18:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DILk17015 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:18:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXWf-0008h4-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:18:21 +0100 Message-ID: <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:17:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: david-woodman@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 13:19:03.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1C4CB10:01C3721D] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Rather than writing a fixed new alogorithm into the internals of OP, is >it possible to have the keypresses on the bold/italic/etc buttons >passed to an applet which could then make the decision on what font to >select? That sounds appealing. I'll perhaps look at it. Would shift the problem to those who think they can solve it 8-) There are some catches, I've been into all this in some depth in the past, I can't necessarily remember at this instant what the problems are. Secondly as you say there is an issue with document compatibility, the first level of which is that a document when reloaded doesn't change. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:31:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19udKg-0004Qh-C8-0004T9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:31:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19udKg-0004Qh-C8; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:30:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19udKg-0004Qh-C8; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:30:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19udKJ-0002oP-Kd; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:29:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83JTrr26754 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:29:53 +0100 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (netmail02.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.221]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with SMTP id h83JTqv26747 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:29:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 11477 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 19:29:50 -0000 Received: from 81-174-210-55.pth-as3.dial.plus.net (HELO localhost) (81.174.210.55) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 19:29:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:29:40 +0100 From: Keith Pascall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP Message-ID: <45dc4a2c4c%klp@klpascall.plus.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > In on Wed 03 Sep, Keith Pascall wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > > Simply point your browser at: > > > > > http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody download this file? I just get 'web site requested > > > http://127.0.0.1 could not be contacted' error from Oregano2. > > [snip loopback and ping stuff] > > > In either case you can try substituting the > > address in the URL http://81.168.49.201/software/ovhtml.html and that should > > work. > > I think Keith's talking about the link to the download itself: > - it looks like > the PHP code that dishes out the file is at fault. I don't get the > loopback address from it, but http:///binaries/ctrl/ which is also an > incorrect result. > Correct I can get the page but not the file. Typing *ping gives a similar result. Can anybody contact the web site owner? Regards, Keith -- Keith Pascall klp@klpascall.plus.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:31:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19udqh-0005gd-4e-0005j7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:31:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19udqh-0005gd-4e; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:03:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19udqh-0005gd-4e; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:03:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19udqN-0004UV-7d; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:03:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83K32a04045 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:03:02 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83K31204040 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:03:01 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030903200300.BUXZ29794.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home>; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:03:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:03:14 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <45dc4a2c4c%klp@klpascall.plus.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Wed 03 Sep, Keith Pascall wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > > > In on Wed 03 Sep, Keith Pascall wrote: > > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Simply point your browser at: > > > > > > http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody download this file? I just get 'web site requested > > > > http://127.0.0.1 could not be contacted' error from Oregano2. > > > > [snip loopback and ping stuff] > > > > > In either case you can try substituting the > > > address in the URL http://81.168.49.201/software/ovhtml.html and that > > > should work. > > > > I think Keith's talking about the link to the download itself: > > - it looks like > > the PHP code that dishes out the file is at fault. I don't get the > > loopback address from it, but http:///binaries/ctrl/ which is also an > > incorrect result. > > > Correct I can get the page but not the file. > Typing *ping gives a similar result. Apologies that I missed your point. I now see the problem - it seems to mee that the link ../../download.php3?file=ovh036h.zip on page http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html is pointing to a directory *above* the root of the site. When I clicked the download link the page deilvered was http://www.heyrick.co.uk/index.php3 Even keying in http://www.heyrick.co.uk/download.php3?file=ovh036h.zip returns me to the index page. > Can anybody contact the web site owner? Within the application (downloaded on 28 August) is an email address which the author requests is kept out of public forums - I'll blind copy this to him, but do not expect a speedy response as his internet access at a public library is intermittent. I'll pass on the content of any response I receive. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:39:44 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ueOx-0006WL-8p-0006YE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:39:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ueOx-0006WL-8p; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:38:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ueOx-0006WL-8p; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:38:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ueOo-0005a4-Lg; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:38:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83KcOY15440 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:38:24 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83KcLH15423 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:38:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=44879 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ueOT-0001og-9T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:38:21 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55365 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ueOS-00024e-DT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:38:20 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c37263$d6c1f4f0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:39:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:03 PM, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 03 Sep, Keith Pascall wrote: >> In message you wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Anthony Hilton wrote: >>> >>>> In on Wed 03 Sep, Keith Pascall wrote: >>>>> In message you wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Simply point your browser at: >>>>>>> http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html >>>>>>> ...... >>> I think Keith's talking about the link to the download itself: >>> http://www.heyrick.co.uk/download.php3?file=ovh036h.zip ..... >> Correct I can get the page but not the file. Same here. Today >> Can anybody contact the web site owner? > > Within the application (downloaded on 28 August) is an email address > which the author requests is kept out of public forums I also downloaded the file and the manual succesfully a few days ago. I can't redo today. His email address is OK. > - I'll blind > copy this to him, but do not expect a speedy response as his internet > access at a public library is intermittent. I'll pass on the content > of any response I receive. I received an email from him today. His next visit to the internet access point will be some time next week ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:40:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ueQH-0004vk-6E-0004zp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:40:45 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ueQH-0004vk-6E; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:40:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ueQH-0004vk-6E; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:40:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ueQ2-0003ft-3b; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:39:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83Kdud15800 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:39:56 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83KdrL15784 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:39:53 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:39:52 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:50:27 +0100 Received: from smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.15]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:18:41 +0100 Received: from exim8.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.43]) by smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:18:41 +0100 Received: from [217.33.99.85] (helo=orange.entweb.co.uk) by exim8.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uTmj-0005NO-Do for dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:18:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 16491 invoked by uid 1639); 3 Sep 2003 09:20:55 -0000 Delivered-To: dawnsunnet-pete@dawnsun.net Received: (qmail 16488 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 09:20:55 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk (212.69.217.32) by orange.entweb.co.uk with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 09:20:55 -0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uTiT-0004ix-MY; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:14:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h839EC203723 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:14:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h839EBk03708 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:14:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uTiL-00050O-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:14:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:13:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 09:18:41.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DAC8330:01C371FC] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > I've yet to see an alternative proposed which stands out as being > perfect - i.e. making every one happy all the time. Partly this is an > excuse, but any scheme has to work on all the fonts around and in the > way many people expect. It also really has to work in practice. I think you'd need to leave the existing code in place for backwards compatibility, but if you introduce any alternate system(s), make it possible to turn them with a per-document configuration option. Rather than writing a fixed new alogorithm into the internals of OP, is it possible to have the keypresses on the bold/italic/etc buttons passed to an applet which could then make the decision on what font to select? If so, and someone can produce a skeleton applet that does this, other people can then fiddle with the precise logic inside the applet to get the effect that they want, which would be more versatile, and probably easier & quicker for you. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 21:43:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ueTP-0003KD-Bw-0003MU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:43:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ueTP-0003KD-Bw; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:43:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ueTP-0003KD-Bw; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:43:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ueTA-0006Ew-OZ; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:43:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83KhA816779 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:43:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83Kh9u16774 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:43:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ueT6-000FeU-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:43:08 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:41:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> <000c01c37241$1e2185e0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000c01c37241$1e2185e0$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Yes. Point is, how you define 'family'. >Not Trinity. Not AvantG. For these have two Italics. No, Trinity is a family. What I meant was one italic, one bold, one bold+italic member. Then when you say italicise Trinity there's only one member (given the bold state is specified too). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 22:22:05 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uf4a-0005z3-BD-000628.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:22:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uf4a-0005z3-BD; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:21:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uf4a-0005z3-BD; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:21:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uf4L-0000xO-6w; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:21:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83LLY928401 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:21:34 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83LLW928391 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:21:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uf4F-0004Ln-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:21:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:18:55 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 03 Sep, Anthony Hilton wrote: [snip] > Yes, just checked by clicking the link in your email and the page loaded > fine. Though I had previously visited and have downloaded OvHTML it was not > in my local cache as I have Fresco set to clear it at the end of every > session. [snip] The page is not the problem but clicking on the zip file link leads to a loop: /software/ovhtml.html clicking on the ovh036h.zip then leads to: /download.php3?file=ovh036.zip which then changes to: /binaries/ctrl/ which then has "No" in the browser title bar which changes back to index.php3! Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ________________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind M. Share M.A. roz@lupus-support.org.uk | | | | \__ \ / LUpus Patients Understanding & Support |_| \___/ |___/ / http://www.lupus-support.org.uk LuPUS MB: http://www.lupus-forums.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 22:22:05 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uf4g-0006Dr-C0-0006F7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:22:05 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uf4g-0006Dr-C0; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:21:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uf4g-0006Dr-C0; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:21:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uf4J-0007QY-TU; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:21:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83LLUd28377 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:21:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83LLTR28371 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:21:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uf4C-0004Ln-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:21:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:16:14 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <236e442c4c%klp@klpascall.plus.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 03 Sep, Keith Pascall wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > Rick Murray wrote: > > > > > Hello everybody! > > > > > > "OvHTML" is a filter for Ovation Pro that allows you to import HTML > > > documents. It supports a variety of HTML tags, GIF and JPEG images, > [SNIP] > > > > > > Simply point your browser at: > > > http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html > > > > > Can anybody download this file? I just get 'web site requested > http://127.0.0.1 could not be contacted' error from Oregano2. > Neither could I, it merely goes in a loop! I have tried to email Rick. Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ________________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind M. Share M.A. roz@lupus-support.org.uk | | | | \__ \ / LUpus Patients Understanding & Support |_| \___/ |___/ / http://www.lupus-support.org.uk LuPUS MB: http://www.lupus-forums.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 22:44:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ufQ3-0003bb-7U-0003e7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:44:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ufQ3-0003bb-7U; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:44:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ufQ3-0003bb-7U; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:44:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ufPV-0004qX-UG; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:43:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83LhLV01667 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:43:21 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83LhJ901647 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:43:20 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:43:19 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:42:24 +0100 Received: from smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.14]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:42:21 +0100 Received: from exim11.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.46]) by smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:41:31 +0100 Received: from [217.33.99.85] (helo=orange.entweb.co.uk) by exim11.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uXt5-0005bT-EF for dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:41:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 29469 invoked by uid 1639); 3 Sep 2003 13:43:46 -0000 Delivered-To: dawnsunnet-pete@dawnsun.net Received: (qmail 29463 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 13:43:46 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk (212.69.217.30) by orange.entweb.co.uk with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 13:43:46 -0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXpD-0002iG-OD; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:37:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DbIV25332 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:37:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DbGK25318 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:37:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXox-000BSX-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:37:15 +0100 Message-ID: <+XQXr0D+4eV$EwKa@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:35:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c2bfe3d8dsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 13:41:31.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[15684CB0:01C37221] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >PS. Can anyone explain why my last message, sent with >Message-ID: <4c2a0652b6bric@f2s.com> , says it is from David >Pilling, which results in David being attributed with quotes that were >from me? It also messes up Pluto's threading and the auto-deletion of >the original message. The header includes: The problem is that if anyone sends email from an address that is not subscribed to the list it is bounced to me. In PC land I have failed to get the trick I used to use to reforward mail to the list to work correctly, so I just paste it into an email from me. Bottom line, please post from the address you are subscribed with. Another happy aspect of e-life brought to you by the mad spammers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 22:47:18 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ufSg-0002od-Ba-0002rq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:47:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ufSg-0002od-Ba; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:46:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ufSg-0002od-Ba; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:46:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ufSN-0002WR-RZ; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:46:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83LkL902397 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:46:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83LkKv02393 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:46:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ufSA-000PwD-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:46:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:24:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: <4c2c555e5bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >There are some catches, I've been into all this in some depth in the > >past, I can't necessarily remember at this instant what the problems > >are. > Here's one. OP is constructed around a big table of font names, each > font has a flag saying if it is bold/italic. It would be easy to let > an applet vote on this. Do you mean just when the table is first set up? Can those flags be changed after they are first set? > Point being in each family you have one (and only one) italic member > etc. > However what some people would like is to be given a font name and > then be allowed to say what happens if that font name is italicised. > So Homerton.Italic could then become Homerton.Recumbent - i.e. two > italic members, of different degrees. If the vote on which font is "italic" can be changed then this might still work? The table gets built initially with an applet deciding what flags to set where. Then when the selection of a particular font in a family is changed to "the italic version", the flags on several fonts in the table are changed so that then only one now appears to be the italic version of the original....? > All this is not possible without major changes. I can see UI issues, but there should be a way that italicising some text is equivalent to changing from font x to font y, rather than changing a style within a font family. After all if the user had instead said I'll manually change from x to y, that *would* work. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 22:57:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ufcN-00048E-CX-0004Aj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:57:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ufcN-00048E-CX; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:56:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ufcN-00048E-CX; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:56:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ufc8-0006Gm-Vf; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:56:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83LuSN04922 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:56:28 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83LuRP04915 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:56:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from risco.home ([80.6.169.13]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030903215626.JVKI29794.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:56:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:56:44 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <001301c37263$d6c1f4f0$6502a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Wed 03 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:03 PM, > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > In on Wed 03 Sep, Keith Pascall wrote: > >> In message you wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Anthony Hilton wrote: > >>> > >>>> In on Wed 03 Sep, Keith Pascall wrote: > >>>>> In message you wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>> Simply point your browser at: > >>>>>>> http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html > >>>>>>> > ....... > >>> I think Keith's talking about the link to the download itself: > >>> http://www.heyrick.co.uk/download.php3?file=ovh036h.zip > ...... > >> Correct I can get the page but not the file. > > Same here. Today > > > >> Can anybody contact the web site owner? > > > > Within the application (downloaded on 28 August) is an email address > > which the author requests is kept out of public forums > > I also downloaded the file and the manual succesfully a few days ago. > I can't redo today. > > His email address is OK. The one in the file "YouHelpMe?" ? - I've tried that twice now (the blind copy then a new one straight to Rick Murray) but both have been returned by the ISP. > > - I'll blind > > copy this to him, but do not expect a speedy response as his internet > > access at a public library is intermittent. I'll pass on the content > > of any response I receive. > > I received an email from him today. His next visit to the internet access > point will be some time next week ... Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 23:08:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ufn4-0006rc-6L-0006vG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:08:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ufn4-0006rc-6L; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:07:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ufn4-0006rc-6L; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:07:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ufms-0008Ai-L2; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:07:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83M7WE08109 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:07:32 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83M7We08104 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:07:32 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ufml-000C2X-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:07:31 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:06:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c2c555e5bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2c555e5bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> Here's one. OP is constructed around a big table of font names, each >> font has a flag saying if it is bold/italic. It would be easy to let >> an applet vote on this. >Do you mean just when the table is first set up? Can those flags be >changed after they are first set? Effectively you set the flag when the table is set up. If I say you can change the flags at anytime anything is possible. >changed to "the italic version", the flags on several fonts in the >table are changed so that then only one now appears to be the italic >version of the original....? Assuming you know (I don't) that those flags are not cached somewhere else in OP. This is one of those discussions that ends with me saying "it is complicated". Possibly all this could be changed with a weeks work and you'd all be happy, but possibly I'd break peoples documents, lots of trouble... I just don't know. I'm not inclined to set off down the road. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 23:12:30 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ufrR-0007Tv-AT-0007X0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:12:30 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ufrR-0007Tv-AT; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:12:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ufrR-0007Tv-AT; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:12:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ufrG-0000SY-H8; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:12:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83MC6P09367 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:12:06 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83MC3O09357 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:12:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=59721 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ufr9-0000lN-P1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:12:03 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55349 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ufr6-0001zS-Ea for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:12:00 +0200 Message-ID: <003d01c37270$ec9383e0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:12:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wednesday, September 03, 2003 10:56 PM, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 03 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: >> His email address is OK. > > The one in the file "YouHelpMe?" ? - I've tried that twice now (the > blind copy then a new one straight to Rick Murray) but both have been > returned by the ISP. Yes. I used the address in this text file. Maybe not important. I used Richard Murray, not Rick Murray. ... >> I received an email from him today. His next visit to the internet >> access point will be some time next week ... And his reply came from the same address. Also with his name 'Richard Murray'. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 3 23:27:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ug5H-0002p6-Fy-0002rK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:27:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ug5H-0002p6-Fy; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:26:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ug5H-0002p6-Fy; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:26:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ug50-0001v3-JS; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:26:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83MQ9212788 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:26:09 +0100 Received: from smtp3.global.net.uk (smtp3.global.net.uk [80.189.92.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83MQ8i12785 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:26:08 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from gr.189.4.2.dial.global.net.uk ([80.189.4.2] helo=RTV) by smtp3.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ug4l-000Imq-5u for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:26:07 +0100 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:23:46 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP Message-ID: <4C2C4FD064%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <45dc4a2c4c%klp@klpascall.plus.net> In-Reply-To: <45dc4a2c4c%klp@klpascall.plus.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.62 POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <45dc4a2c4c%klp@klpascall.plus.net> Keith Pascall wrote: [snip] > Correct I can get the page but not the file. > Typing *ping gives a similar result. > > Can anybody contact the web site owner? I've been trying to email Rick for a few days but each msg returns 'failed' indicating that his space is full. I know Rick uses an internet cafe to access the 'net, so he may not have been able to do so recently. I don't know, however, if his email ISP hosts his domain. I believe it doesn't, but vaguely recall a mention of problems with PHP. Sorry I can't be more help. -- A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small package __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:57:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ujMS-00012v-6r; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:56:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ujMS-00012v-6r; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:56:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ujMD-0005Mg-Tm; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:56:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h841u9M25355 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:56:09 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h841u7f25348 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:56:07 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:56:06 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:10:43 +0100 Received: from smtp-in1.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.12]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:39:31 +0100 Received: from exim11.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.46]) by smtp-in1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:38:18 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim11.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uXpy-0004bA-B4; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:38:18 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXpD-0002iG-OD; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:37:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DbIV25332 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:37:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DbGK25318 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:37:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXox-000BSX-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:37:15 +0100 Message-ID: <+XQXr0D+4eV$EwKa@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:35:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c2bfe3d8dsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: david-woodman@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 13:38:18.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2943E10:01C37220] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >PS. Can anyone explain why my last message, sent with >Message-ID: <4c2a0652b6bric@f2s.com> , says it is from David >Pilling, which results in David being attributed with quotes that were >from me? It also messes up Pluto's threading and the auto-deletion of >the original message. The header includes: The problem is that if anyone sends email from an address that is not subscribed to the list it is bounced to me. In PC land I have failed to get the trick I used to use to reforward mail to the list to work correctly, so I just paste it into an email from me. Bottom line, please post from the address you are subscribed with. Another happy aspect of e-life brought to you by the mad spammers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:25:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ujws-0007jJ-7k-0007mm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:25:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ujws-0007jJ-7k; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:34:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ujws-0007jJ-7k; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:34:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ujwe-00026Z-Qc; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 03:34:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h842Xl700792 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:33:47 +0100 Received: from smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h842XkP00786 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:33:46 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:33:46 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:57:07 +0100 Received: from smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.14]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:16:07 +0100 Received: from exim11.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.46]) by smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:13:28 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim11.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uXRw-0005oT-Db; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:13:28 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXRa-0005F0-Kc; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:13:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DCww14725 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:12:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DCvA14720 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:12:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXRQ-000Lzc-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:12:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:11:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Subject: Sprinter References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: david-woodman@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 13:13:28.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A36FA50:01C3721D] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: "Grant R(Forums)" >Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 12:38:30 +0100 Hi David, Please tell me if it would it be possible and how easy to modify SPrinter to: 1) Run without using the iconbar? 2) When a sprite is produced, to filer_run it in scrap 3) Produce jpegs instead of sprites? Thanks, -- Kind Regards, Grant Randall Yorkshire, GB http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grant.randall Randalls Home Page During shift periods, I may be slow to reply, please bear with me... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:25:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ujx1-00014g-Cf-00017U.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:25:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ujx1-00014g-Cf; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:34:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ujx1-00014g-Cf; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:34:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ujwf-00013p-0P; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 03:34:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h842Xml00797 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:33:48 +0100 Received: from smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.11]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h842Xli00790 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:33:47 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out8.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:33:47 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:50:12 +0100 Received: from smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.15]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:44:02 +0100 Received: from exim14.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.49]) by smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:43:21 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim14.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uXur-0006nS-Ab; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:43:21 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXuJ-0006Nq-OJ; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:42:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83Dgdt27408 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:42:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83Dgd527402 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:42:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXuA-000HHH-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:42:38 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:41:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: david-woodman@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 13:43:21.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[56D913A0:01C37221] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >There are some catches, I've been into all this in some depth in the >past, I can't necessarily remember at this instant what the problems >are. Here's one. OP is constructed around a big table of font names, each font has a flag saying if it is bold/italic. It would be easy to let an applet vote on this. Point being in each family you have one (and only one) italic member etc. However what some people would like is to be given a font name and then be allowed to say what happens if that font name is italicised. So Homerton.Italic could then become Homerton.Recumbent - i.e. two italic members, of different degrees. All this is not possible without major changes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:25:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ul84-0000ta-D3-0000wR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:25:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ul84-0000ta-D3; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 03:49:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ul84-0000ta-D3; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 03:49:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ul7p-0001ey-Ah; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:49:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h843nTh14779 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 04:49:29 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h843nQ414762 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 04:49:27 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 04:49:26 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:12:18 +0100 Received: from smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.15]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:22:30 +0100 Received: from exim15.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.50]) by smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:22:30 +0100 Received: from [217.33.99.85] (helo=orange.entweb.co.uk) by exim15.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uMLu-0004qj-7V for dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:22:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 3211 invoked by uid 1639); 3 Sep 2003 01:24:42 -0000 Delivered-To: dawnsunnet-pete@dawnsun.net Received: (qmail 3208 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 01:24:42 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk (212.69.217.32) by orange.entweb.co.uk with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 01:24:42 -0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uMKy-000072-QA; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:21:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h831LUL26657 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:21:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h831LT826653 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:21:29 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19uMKu-0001bK-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:21:28 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:19:53 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 01:22:30.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[D81BE0E0:01C371B9] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > Rick Murray wrote: > Hello everybody! > > "OvHTML" is a filter for Ovation Pro that allows you to import HTML > documents. It supports a variety of HTML tags, GIF and JPEG images, > and it'll try to render to something akin to HTML 2.0 (ie, it > doesn't do tables or frames). > There are a multitude of options. I think it is safe to say that the > output created is SO close to Fresco (when running with > tables/frames disabled) that I've found myself clicking a blue > underlined word in the Ovation Pro window and wondering why nothing > happens ... on more than one occaision! > > But, it doesn't stop there! > > My original aim for OvHTML was to read the Buffy shooting scripts. > Most of these are in a 'centred' table, and all the text is in > "Verdana". Well, I'd prefer no table, and the dialogue to be in > Corpus, with the dialogue attribution to be in bold. Amazingly, > OvHTML can DO THIS for me! There is a 'translation' system that > allows you to replace one HTML tag with another, mess with certain > aspects of the parser output, etc etc. > > There's EVEN more! A special tag allows you to define > certain aspects of the output - most usefully the base text size and > the base leading. So no longer does the "Nurse Betty" screenplay > look messy on A4. Just make the text a tad smaller, and let it roll. > > And there's more! A special tag will call in the > "Scripter" system. It is an HTML-like scripting system designed by > me that you can use to write screenplays. This is part of OvHTML as > it shares a lot of the parsing methodology. > > And there's more (good god!)... After running OvHTML, you'll notice > Ovation Pro has three "save" options... Document, DDL, and... you > guessed it, HTML ! The HTML output is not very good (early days), > but it's a hell of a lot better than doing it by hand from ASCII or > DDL output... > > If you have ever thought of writing a screenplay or teleplay, or if > you've ever wondered about importing/exporting HTML to/from Ovation > Pro, then OvHTML is what you need. > > > ********************** > IT IS COMPLETELY FREE! > ********************** > > > Simply point your browser at: > http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html > > > PS: The idea of the user guide is that you print it pamphlet style > (retaining the 71% scale) to A4, back to back. Fold the lot > together, and there's 20 pages of user guide (5 pieces of A4). > > The Scripter user guide is seperate as it is more specialised. > > The HTML export guide is seperate as the exporter is an early > version. > > And the release notes describe all sorts of useful things, > including examples of what OvHTML loaded, a listing of ALL of > the recognised tags, and other things to note. > > > -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:25:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ullD-0006EG-Cd-0006GO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:25:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ullD-0006EG-Cd; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:30:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ullD-0006EG-Cd; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:30:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ull2-0002Cr-2q; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 05:30:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h844U6921125 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:30:06 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h844Tum21044 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:57 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:55 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:15:24 +0100 Received: from smtp-in2.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.13]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:17:19 +0100 Received: from exim15.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.50]) by smtp-in2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:15:09 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim15.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uXTZ-0003vH-1f; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:15:09 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXQP-00051s-Ue; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:11:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DBdm14035 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:11:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DBax14005 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:11:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXQ7-0005Zg-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:11:35 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:10:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts with Iyonix References: <4c29a46949sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062174950.2101.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c29f73fc3sbellon@sbellon.de> <1062262600.1989.0.camel@mslaptop> <4c2a324704sbellon@sbellon.de> <4c2bfe3d8dsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4c2bfe3d8dsbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: david-woodman@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 13:15:09.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[663B0D70:01C3721D] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Brian Carroll >Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:13:29 +0100 In article <4c2bfe3d8dsbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > David Pilling wrote: In article <4c29b01993lists@locsource.com>, [That should be from me; see postscript] [Snip] > > Can either of you say whether the new version will be > > available for use on machines other than Iyonix > Yes, it will work from RISC OS 3.11 onwards. There are quite > some bug-fixes. And you can "theme" your icons. ;-) Thanks for this info, Stephan. > > and if so, whether the inflexible copy-protection has been > > removed? > We're currently discussing that. It is really not copy protection - just a nuisance to have a nag-message when the application is run on a machine with an ID other than the one for which it was registered. With such an old application there must be quite a few people like me who have changed machines or motherboard. This could be removed with no detriment to the supplier. Do you really need anything more than a record of the existing registration number? Brian. PS. Can anyone explain why my last message, sent with Message-ID: <4c2a0652b6bric@f2s.com> , says it is from David Pilling, which results in David being attributed with quotes that were from me? It also messes up Pluto's threading and the auto-deletion of the original message. The header includes: From: David Pilling instead of what was sent: From: Brian Carroll Is it the change of sender address? -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@f2s.com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:25:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ullE-0006Fe-Bw-0006IK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:25:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ullE-0006Fe-Bw; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:30:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ullE-0006Fe-Bw; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:30:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ull0-0007FD-Ji; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 05:30:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h844Tws21057 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:58 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h844Tvm21046 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:57 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:56 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:15:24 +0100 Received: from smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.15]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:45:59 +0100 Received: from exim15.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.50]) by smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:45:04 +0100 Received: from [217.33.99.85] (helo=orange.entweb.co.uk) by exim15.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uXwW-0004Kk-5J for dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:45:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 29697 invoked by uid 1639); 3 Sep 2003 13:47:19 -0000 Delivered-To: dawnsunnet-pete@dawnsun.net Received: (qmail 29694 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 13:47:19 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk (212.69.217.31) by orange.entweb.co.uk with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 13:47:19 -0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXuJ-0006Nq-OJ; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:42:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83Dgdt27408 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:42:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83Dgd527402 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:42:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXuA-000HHH-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:42:38 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:41:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 13:45:04.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[94617CD0:01C37221] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >There are some catches, I've been into all this in some depth in the >past, I can't necessarily remember at this instant what the problems >are. Here's one. OP is constructed around a big table of font names, each font has a flag saying if it is bold/italic. It would be easy to let an applet vote on this. Point being in each family you have one (and only one) italic member etc. However what some people would like is to be given a font name and then be allowed to say what happens if that font name is italicised. So Homerton.Italic could then become Homerton.Recumbent - i.e. two italic members, of different degrees. All this is not possible without major changes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:25:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ullG-0003zI-9H-00041l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:25:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ullG-0003zI-9H; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:30:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ullG-0003zI-9H; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:30:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ull0-0002CT-H5; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 05:30:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h844TwF21056 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:58 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h844Tum21039 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:56 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:55 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:35:16 +0100 Received: from smtp-in1.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.12]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:18:40 +0100 Received: from exim15.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.50]) by smtp-in1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:14:44 +0100 Received: from [217.33.99.85] (helo=orange.entweb.co.uk) by exim15.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uXTA-0003od-OJ for dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:14:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 27975 invoked by uid 1639); 3 Sep 2003 13:16:55 -0000 Delivered-To: dawnsunnet-pete@dawnsun.net Received: (qmail 27972 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 13:16:55 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk (212.69.217.32) by orange.entweb.co.uk with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 13:16:55 -0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXRa-0005F0-Kc; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:13:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DCww14725 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:12:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DCvA14720 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:12:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXRQ-000Lzc-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:12:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:11:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Subject: Sprinter References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 13:14:44.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[57CF7E60:01C3721D] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: "Grant R(Forums)" >Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 12:38:30 +0100 Hi David, Please tell me if it would it be possible and how easy to modify SPrinter to: 1) Run without using the iconbar? 2) When a sprite is produced, to filer_run it in scrap 3) Produce jpegs instead of sprites? Thanks, -- Kind Regards, Grant Randall Yorkshire, GB http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grant.randall Randalls Home Page During shift periods, I may be slow to reply, please bear with me... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:25:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19ullK-0007iB-Fu-0007lH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:25:51 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19ullK-0007iB-Fu; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:30:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19ullK-0007iB-Fu; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:30:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19ull0-0006tJ-Cc; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 05:30:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h844TxY21060 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:59 +0100 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h844Tvm21051 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:57 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:56 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:16:16 +0100 Received: from smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.15]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:24:41 +0100 Received: from exim15.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.50]) by smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:22:59 +0100 Received: from [217.33.99.85] (helo=orange.entweb.co.uk) by exim15.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uXb9-0006Fw-AL for dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:22:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 28483 invoked by uid 1639); 3 Sep 2003 13:25:14 -0000 Delivered-To: dawnsunnet-pete@dawnsun.net Received: (qmail 28480 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 13:25:14 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk (212.69.217.31) by orange.entweb.co.uk with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 13:25:14 -0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXWm-0008SC-F5; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:18:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DIMc17019 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:18:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DILk17015 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:18:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXWf-0008h4-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:18:21 +0100 Message-ID: <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:17:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 13:22:59.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E81D890:01C3721E] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Rather than writing a fixed new alogorithm into the internals of OP, is >it possible to have the keypresses on the bold/italic/etc buttons >passed to an applet which could then make the decision on what font to >select? That sounds appealing. I'll perhaps look at it. Would shift the problem to those who think they can solve it 8-) There are some catches, I've been into all this in some depth in the past, I can't necessarily remember at this instant what the problems are. Secondly as you say there is an issue with document compatibility, the first level of which is that a document when reloaded doesn't change. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:26:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19unnj-0002bC-Di-0002eV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:26:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19unnj-0002bC-Di; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:41:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19unnj-0002bC-Di; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:41:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19unnR-0005d2-0C; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:40:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h846eYW12126 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:40:34 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h846eR512105 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:40:29 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:35 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:34:42 +0100 Received: from smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.15]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:00:50 +0100 Received: from exim12.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.47]) by smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:00:50 +0100 Received: from [217.33.99.85] (helo=orange.entweb.co.uk) by exim12.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uTVS-00053f-Dc for dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:00:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 15665 invoked by uid 1639); 3 Sep 2003 09:03:03 -0000 Delivered-To: dawnsunnet-pete@dawnsun.net Received: (qmail 15662 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 09:03:03 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk (212.69.217.31) by orange.entweb.co.uk with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 09:03:03 -0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uTSZ-0007vc-Tq; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:57:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h838veG30177 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:57:40 +0100 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h838vdL30171 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:57:39 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=34101 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uTSN-0008VV-Eh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:57:39 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55604 helo=padua) by smtp4.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uTSL-0002T1-62 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:57:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c37201$f2ea9720$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:58:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 09:00:50.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF73A7C0:01C371F9] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:03 PM, David Pilling wrote: >> I agree with Paul Sprangers, that Impression does a better job here. >> Together with the Windows version of Ovation Pro, in which no large >> font families are supported by the font manager. > > > > This has been a long running saga. Why have I done nothing? Mostly > because of the amount of effort that was expended in arriving at the > current situation - few people say they like the current way it works, > but I think you all liked the previous way even less. > > I've yet to see an alternative proposed which stands out as being > perfect - i.e. making every one happy all the time. Partly this is an > excuse, but any scheme has to work on all the fonts around and in the > way many people expect. It also really has to work in practice. Here is a summary of what I think, what would work better ...best. Linking the effect Italic (button or edit-->Style or effect) to the weight in use as the second style, where the upright is the first style, would please at least more people than me. xxx.ExtraBold(.Upright) and xxx.ExtraBold.Italic xxx.Extended.Demi(.Upright) and xxx.Extended.Demi.Oblique This would not interfere with importing with Impression filter. This would not 'break' older documents, for the full name of a used font is used in the OPdoc/DDL. As far as I know. This would work with all the fonts around. This would work in the way many people expect. This would also make exchange with the Windows version OK. At the moment this 'peculiar' behaviour is also imported to Windows, when a document (with wrong Italics) is taken to the Windows version. I think this is a very good time for this 'change' ... As far as Normal...Bold and other weights are concerned, I still think it is best to use the font menu for fonts with more than 2 weights. By weight I mean a weight with possible 2 styles: upright (= Italic button/effect off) and slanted (=Italic button/effect on). Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:26:18 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19unnz-000328-En-000346.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:26:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19unnz-000328-En; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:41:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19unnz-000328-En; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:41:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19unnm-0005iN-HP; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:41:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h846ewb12214 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:40:58 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h846eq512185 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:40:53 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:35 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:34:49 +0100 Received: from smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.15]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:40:04 +0100 Received: from exim14.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.49]) by smtp-in4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:39:11 +0100 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by exim14.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uXqo-0005aF-QF; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:39:11 +0100 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uXqM-0001w1-Sg; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:38:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h83DccT25920 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:38:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h83DcaH25909 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:38:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uXqF-000BeH-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:38:35 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:37:13 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Subject: Sprinter References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: david-woodman@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 13:39:11.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1EE0F70:01C37220] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Please tell me if it would it be possible and how easy to modify >SPrinter to: > >1) Run without using the iconbar? > >2) When a sprite is produced, to filer_run it in scrap > >3) Produce jpegs instead of sprites? Possible. Easy. The source code for Sprinter appeared on the ROSL Risc User CD, so nothing in your way... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:26:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19unoG-00026a-50-00028a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:26:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19unoG-00026a-50; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:41:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19unoG-00026a-50; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:41:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uno2-0002tn-TY; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:41:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h846fIX12289 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:41:18 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h846fE512267 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:41:15 +0100 Received: from cluster5 ([172.23.146.54]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 05:29:35 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:52:17 +0100 Received: from smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk ([172.23.146.14]) by cluster5 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:20:09 +0100 Received: from exim11.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.46]) by smtp-in3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:20:09 +0100 Received: from [217.33.99.85] (helo=orange.entweb.co.uk) by exim11.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19uMJd-00080l-75 for dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:20:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 3187 invoked by uid 1639); 3 Sep 2003 01:22:21 -0000 Delivered-To: dawnsunnet-pete@dawnsun.net Received: (qmail 3184 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2003 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk (212.69.217.32) by orange.entweb.co.uk with SMTP; 3 Sep 2003 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uMId-0008BT-TK; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:19:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h831IrR26210 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:18:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h831Iqp26207 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:18:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uMIN-000A1f-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:18:51 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:17:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Fonts in Windows References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: dawnsun@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 01:20:09.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[83FC62F0:01C371B9] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I find that I cannot select the correct font in OvPro for Win. I am >using >Any ideas? Just too many fonts to cope with? No idea. Certainly earlier versions did have bugs in that gave effects like you describe. The OPW font menu is a sore point, although XP will let you scroll the menu the effect is poor and other versions of Windows don't scroll at all. Anyway, the next version has its own font menu. So the bottom line is wait until it is out. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:26:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19upQm-0005nm-8M-0005rN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:26:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19upQm-0005nm-8M; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 08:25:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19upQm-0005nm-8M; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 08:25:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19upQJ-0004FE-59; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 09:24:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h848Orr08370 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:24:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h848OpV08356 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:24:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19upQA-000NI1-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 09:24:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 09:12:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: <4c2c90abd0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 03 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >There are some catches, I've been into all this in some depth in the > >past, I can't necessarily remember at this instant what the problems > >are. > Here's one. OP is constructed around a big table of font names, each > font has a flag saying if it is bold/italic. It would be easy to let an > applet vote on this. Point being in each family you have one (and only > one) italic member etc. OK Take EFF Baskerville There is 'plain', bold, italic & bold italic and demibold & demibold italic and expert, expert bold, expert italic & expert bold italic and expert demibold & expert demibold italic and (we'll not go into the range of Baskerville OsF and Baskerville SmallCaps!) Now these are packaged into one directory but if separated into families of fonts in their own directory Ovation could cope - ie pretend: Baskerville Baskervilledemibold Baskervilleexpert Baskervilleexpertdemibold were four totally unrelated familes. What I understand David to be saying is that OP can't treat these as if they were unrelated families whilst they happen to be in one directory. Is this the case? -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:26:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19urGC-0000DZ-68-0000Sc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:26:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19urGC-0000DZ-68; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:22:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19urGC-0000DZ-68; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:22:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19urFt-0005lQ-Dk; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:22:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h84AMBK19812 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:22:11 +0100 Received: from zinc.btinternet.com (zinc.btinternet.com [194.73.73.148]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h84AM9P19804 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:22:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from host81-129-13-89.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.129.13.89] helo=acornrpc) by zinc.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19urFg-00032T-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:22:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:20:36 +0100 From: Brian Howlett Message-ID: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.36) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Is anyone else receiving two or three copies of mailings on this list? I received 13 this morning, all but one of which I'd already received. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:26:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19urJW-0007CL-4u-0000os.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:26:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19urJW-0007CL-4u; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:26:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19urJW-0007CL-4u; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:26:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19urJH-0005ID-LU; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:25:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h84APm921233 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:25:48 +0100 Received: from duron.sv1.us (duron.sv1.us [64.191.60.145]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h84APkg21224 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:25:47 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from acb9e39f.ipt.aol.com ([172.185.227.159] helo=localhost) by duron.sv1.us with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19urJB-00047Y-2W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:25:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:25:33 +0100 From: Dave X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Personal Organization: Riot/Clone X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1156721842.20030904112533@riotclone.org> To: Brian Howlett Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails In-Reply-To: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> References: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - duron.sv1.us X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - davidpilling.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - riotclone.org Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Yes, I thought it was my email server having a funny turn. Dave ----- Original Message from Brian Howlett ----- Is anyone else receiving two or three copies of mailings on this list? I received 13 this morning, all but one of which I'd already received. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:26:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19urYN-0006aD-41-0004Eo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:26:38 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19urYN-0006aD-41; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:44:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19urYN-0006aD-41; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:41:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19urY8-0001hf-QL; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:41:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h84AexI27342 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:40:59 +0100 Received: from gatej.mh.bbc.co.uk (gatej.mh.bbc.co.uk [132.185.144.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h84Aewu27335 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:40:58 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bbcxue202.national.core.bbc.co.uk ([10.124.8.50]) by gatej.mh.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h84Aevj27821 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:40:58 +0100 (BST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Disposition-Notification-To: "Michael Hunter" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:40:57 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails Thread-Index: AcNy0DbQcpwWwAmWQtWtSfDELpBDYwAAKvRQ From: "Michael Hunter" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svr1.spellings.net id h84Aewu27336 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist No I'm not receiving duplicates Michael -----Original Message----- From: Dave [mailto Sent: 04 September 2003 11:26 To: Brian Howlett Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails Yes, I thought it was my email server having a funny turn. Dave ----- Original Message from Brian Howlett ----- Is anyone else receiving two or three copies of mailings on this list? I received 13 this morning, all but one of which I'd already received. -- Brian Howlett BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:26:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19usJa-0004ht-EZ-0000jO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:26:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19usJa-0004ht-EZ; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:32:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19usJa-0004ht-EZ; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:30:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19usJB-0000GR-83; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:29:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h84BTgd14699 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:29:42 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h84BTfv14686 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:29:41 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19usJ2-000KQE-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:29:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:19:57 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails Message-ID: <4c2ca1dc67Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> References: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com>, Brian Howlett wrote: > Is anyone else receiving two or three copies of mailings on this list? > I received 13 this morning, all but one of which I'd already received. I've had lots too. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 14:52:48 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uuWA-0003o7-8G-0005Li.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:52:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uuWA-0003o7-8G; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:52:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uuWA-0003o7-8G; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:51:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uuVe-0004BS-UP; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:50:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h84DoXi05258 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:50:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h84DoXH05253 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:50:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19uuVM-0004TN-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:50:32 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:49:13 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails References: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> <4c2ca1dc67Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2ca1dc67Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> Is anyone else receiving two or three copies of mailings on this list? Apparently there is a problem... due apologies. I don't know what the problem is, it isn't something simply like me double posting. It looks as if postings from the list are being sent back to it, where they get posted again (notice the multiple mail list text at the end). Some of you won't be getting these multiple postings because your ISP is rejecting them ("possible mail loop") and sending them back to me. I'm thinking about panicking. Suggestions welcome. I have actually taken some ineffective steps, we'll see if they've worked or if the problem has fixed itself. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 15:42:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uvIV-0006bl-6p-0006cS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:42:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uvIV-0006bl-6p; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:41:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uvIV-0006bl-6p; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:41:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uv9j-0007Hp-M0; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:32:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h84EW7821977 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:32:08 +0100 Received: from smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net (smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.76]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h84EW5n21952 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:32:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 213-193-182-129.adsl.easynet.be ([213.193.182.129] helo=Iota) by smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uv9Y-0008UF-M0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:32:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:32:38 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails Message-ID: <4c2cb380b8sclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> References: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Platform: Iyonix pc X-Processor: Xscale 80321 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 04 Sep, Brian Howlett wrote: > Is anyone else receiving two or three copies of mailings on this list? Yes, I got the following message twice Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:16:14 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP Message-ID: and I received three copies of Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:41:30 +0100 From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: > I received 13 this morning, all but one of which I'd already received. There seems to be a problem with infotech.demon.co.uk (I compared the headers of some duplicates) -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 4 19:21:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19uyjG-0000qd-7n-0000tT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:21:59 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19uyjG-0000qd-7n; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:21:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19uyjG-0000qd-7n; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:21:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uyj1-0002pL-FO; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 19:20:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h84IKhI04125 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:20:43 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h84IKhK04122 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:20:43 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.151.227] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19uyil-0002HY-Mj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 19:20:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:38:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvHTML - HTML import/export from OP Message-ID: <4c2c6199efsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4C2C4FD064%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <45dc4a2c4c%klp@klpascall.plus.net> <4C2C4FD064%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 03 Sep, Mik Towse wrote: > I've been trying to email Rick for a few days but each msg returns 'failed' > indicating that his space is full. I know Rick uses an internet cafe to > access the 'net, so he may not have been able to do so recently. He did mention a problem with various items of spam and crap from Sobig or whatever. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 5 14:01:11 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19vGCC-0007Wd-5B-0007de.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:01:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19vGCC-0007Wd-5B; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:00:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19vGCC-0007Wd-5B; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:00:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19vGBn-0001Cp-U7; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:59:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h85CxCZ05981 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:59:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h85CxAN05960 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:59:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19vGBB-0008wG-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:59:09 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:57:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c2c90abd0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2c90abd0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >What I understand David to be saying is that OP can't treat these as if >they were unrelated families whilst they happen to be in one directory. Is >this the case? Yes. Originally OP would have split such a font into pseduo-families, each one with the canonical four members, N, B, I, I+B. That's what people disliked. Funny that all this time later, this is the way that Windows works. Perhaps a solution would have been to keep the split into pseudo-families but display the font as just one entry on the menu. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 5 15:01:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19vH7G-00004T-Dd-0003L2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:01:39 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19vH7G-00004T-Dd; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:00:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19vH7G-00004T-Dd; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:59:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19vH6O-00020z-U4; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:58:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h85DwC929260 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:58:12 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h85DwAq29254 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:58:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.72.108]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030905135810.MMNR11401.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:58:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:01:02 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c2c90abd0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.18 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > Originally OP would have split such a font into pseduo-families, each one > with the canonical four members, N, B, I, I+B. That's what people disliked. > [snip]Perhaps a solution would have been to keep the split into > pseudo-families but display the font as just one entry on the menu. That sounds ideal - the font menu needn't represent exactly how OP handles things internally. Deal with the fonts as separate pseudofamilies internally, but represent these as a superfamily (the "real", on-disk family name) on the menu. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 5 16:50:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19vIqE-0003AQ-8B-0003Fq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:50:33 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19vIqE-0003AQ-8B; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:49:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19vIqE-0003AQ-8B; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:49:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19vIpx-0007IT-C1; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:49:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h85FnD310057 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:49:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h85FnA709993 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:49:10 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19vIpf-0002xw-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:49:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:32:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: <4c2d375870Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c2c90abd0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , John Pettigrew wrote: > That sounds ideal - the font menu needn't represent exactly how OP > handles things internally. Deal with the fonts as separate > pseudofamilies internally, but represent these as a superfamily (the > "real", on-disk family name) on the menu. Does this mean that individuals could "solve" the problem by splitting up existing fonts into more directories inside !Fonts? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 5 20:25:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19vMCK-0006hO-51-0006jI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:25:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19vMCK-0006hO-51; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:24:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19vMCK-0006hO-51; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:24:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19vMB7-0003El-30; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:23:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h85JNJi15513 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:23:19 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h85JNIH15499 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:23:18 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19vMAv-00066V-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:23:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:21:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c2c90abd0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4c2d375870Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2d375870Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Does this mean that individuals could "solve" the problem by splitting >up existing fonts into more directories inside !Fonts? Yes, there has been discussion of this in the past too. It's not elegant or desirable of course, akin to Windows, but I suppose there is no alternative. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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Possible. Easy. The source code for Sprinter appeared on the ROSL Risc User CD, so nothing in your way... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:12:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:11:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Subject: Sprinter References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-maillist: softwarelist X-Sent-To: david-woodman@blueyonder.co.uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2003 13:13:28.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A36FA50:01C3721D] X-maillist: softwarelist Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: "Grant R(Forums)" >Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 12:38:30 +0100 Hi David, Please tell me if it would it be possible and how easy to modify SPrinter to: 1) Run without using the iconbar? 2) When a sprite is produced, to filer_run it in scrap 3) Produce jpegs instead of sprites? Thanks, -- Kind Regards, Grant Randall Yorkshire, GB http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grant.randall Randalls Home Page During shift periods, I may be slow to reply, please bear with me... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 6 14:08:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19vcmw-00057a-6U-00058a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:08:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19vcmw-00057a-6U; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:07:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19vcmw-00057a-6U; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:07:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19vcma-0001Oa-6z; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 14:07:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h86D6Zt01704 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:06:35 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h86D6Yg01695 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:06:34 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19vclt-0001wN-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:06:33 +0200 Received: from [172.180.169.143] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19vclt-0007m5-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:06:33 +0200 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 11:14:38 +0200 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: <960f9e2d4c.martin@mw-software.com> References: <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c2c90abd0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4c2d375870Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c2d375870Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4c2d375870Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article , > John Pettigrew wrote: > > > That sounds ideal - the font menu needn't represent exactly how OP > > handles things internally. Deal with the fonts as separate > > pseudofamilies internally, but represent these as a superfamily (the > > "real", on-disk family name) on the menu. > > Does this mean that individuals could "solve" the problem by splitting > up existing fonts into more directories inside !Fonts? I do not advise doing this unless you really know what you are doing. You cannot just change the location where a specific font file is found without changing some internals of the font, too. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 6 14:18:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19vcwK-00026F-7f-00027S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:18:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19vcwK-00026F-7f; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:17:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19vcwK-00026F-7f; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:17:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19vcw7-0004HZ-00; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 14:17:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h86DH0F03849 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:17:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h86DGxA03844 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:16:59 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19vcvz-0002Dq-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 14:16:59 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:15:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics References: <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c2c90abd0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4c2d375870Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <960f9e2d4c.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <960f9e2d4c.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> Does this mean that individuals could "solve" the problem by splitting >> up existing fonts into more directories inside !Fonts? >I do not advise doing this unless you really know what you are doing. You >cannot just change the location where a specific font file is found >without changing some internals of the font, too. I agree. Lest my previous reply appears to condone this, what I meant was that people had tried this in the past, and there had then been a discussion because of the problems involved. Some that spring to mind; * you need a font editor or tool to change the internal name of the font * your documents won't be compatible with other users who have not done the same renaming * you'll probably be breaking the terms and conditions for use of the font, or copyright, or other IPR. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 6 14:34:23 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19vdCi-000370-Bf-000386.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:34:23 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19vdCi-000370-Bf; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:34:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19vdCi-000370-Bf; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:34:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19vdCX-0001eF-MC; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 14:34:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h86DY1s08463 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:34:01 +0100 Received: from smtp09.wxs.nl (smtp09.wxs.nl [195.121.6.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h86DY0q08454 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:34:00 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HKS00F0OO9RFY@smtp09.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:32:15 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:33:18 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] italics In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c2db5bddbpaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c2c90abd0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4c2d375870Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <960f9e2d4c.martin@mw-software.com> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Concerning splitting font families, David Pilling wrote: > * your documents won't be compatible with other users who have not done > the same renaming * The existing documents won't even be compatible with your own new settings, since they can't find the original fonts any longer (as I've sadly experienced more than once). Kind regards Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 6 16:15:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19velb-00046C-8z-00047D.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:15:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19velb-00046C-8z; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:14:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19velb-00046C-8z; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:14:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19velP-0006eZ-Uj; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:14:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h86FE4P02888 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:14:04 +0100 Received: from gatej.mh.bbc.co.uk (gatej.mh.bbc.co.uk [132.185.144.19]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h86FE1a02874 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:14:01 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi04.tv.bbc.co.uk ([10.183.224.37]) by gatej.mh.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h86FDwj29074 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:13:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from bbcxi1004.national.core.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi04.tv.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:01:57 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by bbcxi1004.national.core.bbc.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:00:14 +0100 Received: from gateh.mh.bbc.co.uk ([10.152.4.17]) by bbcxi1003.national.core.bbc.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:09:22 +0100 Received: from smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk (smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk [212.69.217.32]) by gateh.mh.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85E95H02993 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:09:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19vH6O-00020z-U4; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:58:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h85DwC929260 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:58:12 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h85DwAq29254 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:58:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.72.108]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030905135810.MMNR11401.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:58:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:01:02 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] italics Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <004601c3713a$ac17ab20$6502a8c0@padua> <4c2c12711cJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <73HWTdCgneV$Ewod@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4c2c90abd0john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.18 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-maillist: softwarelist X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 14:09:22.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E5A5C60:01C373B7] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > Originally OP would have split such a font into pseduo-families, each one > with the canonical four members, N, B, I, I+B. That's what people disliked. > [snip]Perhaps a solution would have been to keep the split into > pseudo-families but display the font as just one entry on the menu. That sounds ideal - the font menu needn't represent exactly how OP handles things internally. Deal with the fonts as separate pseudofamilies internally, but represent these as a superfamily (the "real", on-disk family name) on the menu. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 6 16:54:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19vfNv-0001BI-9X-0001Cy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:54:32 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19vfNv-0001BI-9X; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:54:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19vfNv-0001BI-9X; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:53:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19vfN3-0006LN-4p; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:53:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h86Fqwl18560 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:52:58 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h86Fqun18553 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:52:56 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19vfMt-000DGN-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:52:55 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:51:49 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails References: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> <4c2cb380b8sclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4c2cb380b8sclaes@aaug.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, Still a few duplicates. Neil Spellings is on the case now... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 9 19:11:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19vgiE-0004OA-BA-0004Pz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:11:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19vgiE-0004OA-BA; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:19:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19vgiE-0004OA-BA; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:19:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19vghq-0000HE-6V; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:18:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h86HIRo13932 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:18:27 +0100 Received: from he200war.uk.vianw.net (he200war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.244.148]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h86HIQx13928 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:18:26 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [195.102.205.212] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he200war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 19vghX-0003wC-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:18:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:13:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Updated Applets Message-ID: <4c2dc9e2dfchris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.36) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist There are two updates on the Opro resources site. Version 1.07 of the FitWidth applet, as already announced by Andrew Conroy. This is a bug fix release. Version 1.14 of the Clipboards applet (originally by John Pettigrew). This has had some bug fixes by David Pilling. Where to get them ----------------- There are two alternative resources sites, intended to be mirrors of each other. The urls are as follows: Site 1: http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/index.html Site 2: http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/index.html which redirects to http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ovationpro/index.html Any submissions for the site are always accepted gratefully (by e-mail is fine). -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 9 19:12:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19wlu7-000759-CU-00079k.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:12:28 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19wlu7-000759-CU; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:03:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19wlu7-000759-CU; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:03:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19wltW-0005ct-49; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:03:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h89H2nQ09660 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:02:49 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h89H2mr09652 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:02:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.64.231.101] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19wlt9-0007JZ-NA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:02:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:57:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Type =5 Message-ID: <4c2f280476dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.37) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Ovation Pro 2.72 on a SARPC, loadsa memory and HD space. RO Select 4.36 and now RO Select 4.37. (The reason for noting Select 4.36 and 4.37 is that the below noted events, happened previously with Select 4.36 and still happen now with Select 4.37). David, since installing 2.72 I've had quite a few: "OvationPro has suffered an internal error. Type=5" errors. After which it dies and vanishes from the icon bar, taking with it my work in progress documents. I'm not that daft... They are saved regularly while in progress. ;-) Unfortunately, although I've tried replicating what I was doing at the time, each time, I cannot make it happen to order. What's the significance of Type 5 errors? Anything in particular I should look for, like maybe a master document with some corruption...? Cheers Dave S PS: It doesn't happen all the time, but obviously enough times for me to begin noticing it. D. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 9 23:16:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19wqli-0003BA-71-0003CO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:16:10 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19wqli-0003BA-71; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:15:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19wqli-0003BA-71; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:15:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19wqlf-0005KN-KZ; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:15:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h89MEkM16674 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:14:46 +0100 Received: from mxout1.netvision.net.il (mxout1.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h89MEbK16640 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:14:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.0.101]) by mxout1.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HKY00CSQWGBHH@mxout1.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:14:36 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:14:35 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: [softwarelist] OLE editing of TableMate files (and maybe others) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F5E50CB.1030208@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist If an embedded TableMate file (and possibly other file types as well) is ctrl-doubleclicked in order to edit, then if the edit is aborted without the file being saved back into OPro, it will no longer be possible to ctrl-doubleclick that same graphic. The only solution is to quit OPro and restart. I presume that OPro needs the signal from the save operation in order to prevent the same graphic being OLE-edited twice simultaneously. However, it can be annoying if the graphic has been altered and the user wants to revert to the original version without saving the alterations. The reason for the restriction is clear, but it can sometimes cause problems, as described above. Can I see a solution? No. But maybe someone else can! Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 9 23:22:13 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19wqrO-0001qW-7R-0001rM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:22:13 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19wqrO-0001qW-7R; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:21:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19wqrO-0001qW-7R; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:21:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19wqqd-00005O-AU; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:20:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h89MKKL17861 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:20:20 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h89MKGP17847 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:20:16 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19wqqN-00074p-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:20:15 +0100 Message-ID: <71N2zfkDHlX$EwIk@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:18:43 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OLE editing of TableMate files (and maybe others) References: <3F5E50CB.1030208@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F5E50CB.1030208@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >If an embedded TableMate file (and possibly other file types as >well) is ctrl-doubleclicked in order to edit, then if the edit >is aborted without the file being saved back into OPro, it will >no longer be possible to ctrl-doubleclick that same graphic. The >only solution is to quit OPro and restart. Sounds like a bug to me - a flag that is not being cleared. OLE goes on in two ways, with non-supporting apps like Draw it's a big fiddle with polling looking what windows are open on the desktop. Other apps support an OLE protocol, I'd hope those would be more reliable. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 9 23:26:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19wqvs-0005gl-AL-0005k9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:26:16 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19wqvs-0005gl-AL; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:25:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19wqvs-0005gl-AL; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:25:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19wqvr-0000uC-BK; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:25:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h89LHfj04655 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:17:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h89LHUr04621 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:17:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19wprc-000H0A-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:17:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4V1279ghMkX$Ew7D@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:16:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Type =5 References: <4c2f280476dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4c2f280476dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >What's the significance of Type 5 errors? A type 5 error is an illegal memory access, it will usually be caused by a bug in a program, although it can occasionally be due to a bug in RISC OS or the presence of other software. >Anything in particular I should look for, like maybe a master document >with some corruption...? Yes that would be a possible cause, one corrupt document that you keep basing new work on. It may of course be a bug in 2.72, however there have not been big changes and I've no idea where I'd start looking. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 9 23:26:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19wqvw-0006qd-6S-0006rw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:26:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19wqvw-0006qd-6S; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:26:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19wqvw-0006qd-6S; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:26:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19wqvn-0000uC-HG; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:25:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h89LKRS05383 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:20:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h89LKC805310 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:20:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19wpuE-000OFE-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:20:11 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:18:43 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Updated Applets References: <4c2dc9e2dfchris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4c2dc9e2dfchris@bulldog.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Version 1.14 of the Clipboards applet (originally by John Pettigrew). >This has had some bug fixes by David Pilling. What I want to say about this is... OP in recent versions has options (in OP general choices) that enable checking of documents for corruption. Enabling these is *a good thing*. The older versions of the clip board applet turn off these options. So I'd recommend upgrading your clip board applet and then re-enabling the document checking options. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 11 02:58:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xGjL-0001xZ-AQ-0001yb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:58:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xGjL-0001xZ-AQ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:58:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xGjL-0001xZ-AQ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:58:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xGjH-00011K-DO; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:58:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8B1w0P18528 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:58:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8B1vv118516 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:57:57 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19xGiZ-0006RX-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:57:55 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:56:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows References: <4c2dc9e2dfchris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, Just before the current copy runs out, I've produced another release of Ovation Pro for Windows. Available from http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html What's new? There is a respectable font menu now. You can use right cursor or hold down the control key to get at the sub-font menu. Normally of course you don't want to do this, just selecting the font family name and relying on the bold/italic effects to get sub-fonts. Then there's the saga of a redraw error. It's taken a vast amount of time to resolve this problem, one which no one had reported to me. All came down to the Windows documentation not telling the whole truth, seemingly saving one subtraction was worth making Windows not do some graphics operations accurately. Anyway things should be better now, but lots of hacking has gone on, I'd not be surprised if I'd broken something. I think some minor bugs will have gone - e.g. bitmaps printed to LaserJet should now be the right way up ("oh yes they are"...). And as mentioned a few weeks back CRLF PC style text files are now handled correctly. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 11 13:37:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xO7v-0006LL-7W-0006MY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:37:20 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xO7v-0006LL-7W; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:52:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xO7v-0006LL-7W; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:52:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xO7r-0006ix-Rk; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:52:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8B9qBD32075 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:52:12 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8B9q6132044 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:52:07 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk ([195.137.94.49]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with SMTP id h8B9q4iu016087 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:52:06 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:52:37 +0100 From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows Message-ID: <7ab734304c.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: <4c2dc9e2dfchris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > Just before the current copy runs out, I've produced another release of > Ovation Pro for Windows. > I think some minor bugs will have gone - e.g. bitmaps printed to > LaserJet should now be the right way up ("oh yes they are"...) ... Oh YES they are - AND to HP Printers. My Wolf is now happily resting on his feet instead of his head:-) Thank you, David. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 11 22:10:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xYh6-00037t-FM-0003CO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:10:22 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xYh6-00037t-FM; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:09:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xYh6-00037t-FM; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:09:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xYgw-0001w4-3F; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:09:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8BL8rY30301 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:08:54 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8BL8fY30247 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:08:42 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=49415 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xYgC-00072L-OF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:08:40 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55451 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xYgB-0003DK-TE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:08:39 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c378b1$5537f160$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4c2dc9e2dfchris@bulldog.u-net.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:09:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:56 AM, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Just before the current copy runs out, I've produced another release > of Ovation Pro for Windows. Available from > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opw.html > > What's new? There is a respectable font menu now. You can use right > cursor or hold down the control key to get at the sub-font menu. > Normally of course you don't want to do this, just selecting the font > family name and relying on the bold/italic effects to get sub-fonts. Yes, this works very nice in the Windows version. The fonts with a submenu nicely marked with a '+' sign. Selecting font can also be done by typing part of the fontname + return, e.g. Letter Gothic LondonA Lucida can also be done with opening font menu and typing L + return for Letter Gothic typing Lo + return for LondonA typing Lu + return for Lucida And when you have Type1 (PostScript) fonts installed, these are now also supported. Marked wit a red 'a'. Same way as TrueType and OpenType. Additional benefit of using Type1's is the much better rendering on screen. Thanks, Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 11 22:20:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xYrP-00075Y-DL-00076h.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:20:27 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xYrP-00075Y-DL; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:20:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xYrP-00075Y-DL; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:20:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xYrK-000389-HT; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:20:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8BLJnK02115 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:19:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8BLJeM02070 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:19:40 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19xYqp-0000YK-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:19:39 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:18:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows References: <4c2dc9e2dfchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <000e01c378b1$5537f160$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000e01c378b1$5537f160$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Same way as TrueType and OpenType. >Additional benefit of using Type1's is the much better rendering on screen. Ah that reminds me, I enabled type 1 font support in the latest version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 11 23:34:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xZzr-0007kj-4f-0007mJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:34:04 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xZzr-0007kj-4f; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:33:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xZzr-0007kj-4f; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:33:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xZzn-0004pJ-Bj; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:32:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8BMWi624237 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:32:44 +0100 Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8BMWa824201 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:32:36 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([213.48.248.118]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:32:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:30:03 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows Message-ID: <2f107a304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2003 22:32:35.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[98F1B690:01C378B4] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >Same way as TrueType and OpenType. > >Additional benefit of using Type1's is the much better rendering on screen. > > Ah that reminds me, I enabled type 1 font support in the latest version. Rats - it doesn't work on my machine (running Win ME); I can select a type 1 font but as soon as I type a letter ovnpro just tells me it has caused an error in OVNPRO.EXE and will quit. Bruce Goatly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 12 01:39:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xbx5-0001Hd-Bt-0001Ij.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:39:06 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xbx5-0001Hd-Bt; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:38:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xbx5-0001Hd-Bt; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:38:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xbwg-0001cJ-5l; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:37:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8C0bUx23865 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:37:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8C0bRw23857 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:37:28 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19xbwE-0006Mn-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:37:26 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:36:12 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows References: <2f107a304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2f107a304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> Ah that reminds me, I enabled type 1 font support in the latest version. >Rats - it doesn't work on my machine (running Win ME); I can select a type 1 >font but as soon as I type a letter ovnpro just tells me it has caused an >error in OVNPRO.EXE and will quit. Well that is interesting. I suppose it is as I feared. My experience was with XP. I presume you have ME + Adobe Type Manager? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 12 13:53:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xiVc-00065O-Ed-00067Z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:53:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xiVc-00065O-Ed; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:38:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xiVc-00065O-Ed; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:38:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xiVZ-0007WR-Gr; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:38:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8C7bNY20633 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:37:24 +0100 Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8C7bDY20597 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:37:13 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=48284 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xiUO-0003qU-R7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:37:08 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55157 helo=padua) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19xiUO-0008Ef-2l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:37:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c37909$2170c110$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <2f107a304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:37:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 PM, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >>> Same way as TrueType and OpenType. >>> Additional benefit of using Type1's is the much better rendering on >>> screen. >> >> Ah that reminds me, I enabled type 1 font support in the latest >> version. > > Rats - it doesn't work on my machine (running Win ME); I can select a > type 1 font but as soon as I type a letter ovnpro just tells me it > has caused an error in OVNPRO.EXE and will quit. > It does work in Win2000 and XP, in which the fontmanager supports Type1 fonts the same way as TrueTypes. Also in (older) programs like Word97 or CorelDraw9, as far as such programs themselves don't 'prevent' it. Fireworkz for Windows doesn't show any installed Type1 like previous Ovation Pro versions didn't offer these. In OS's before Win2000 you also need Adobe Type Manager software to get Type1 support. I don't know, how extensive this support is. I think, when you can use Type1's in e.g. Word97 or equivalents, it should also work in Ovation Pro ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 12 13:53:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xisp-0001DO-AL-0001IY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:53:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xisp-0001DO-AL; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:02:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xisp-0001DO-AL; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:02:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xisn-0005mN-76; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:02:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8C827728218 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:02:08 +0100 Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8C823L28203 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:02:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([213.48.145.89]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:02:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:59:58 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows Message-ID: <853dae304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2003 08:02:02.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[26270F70:01C37904] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >> Ah that reminds me, I enabled type 1 font support in the latest version. > >Rats - it doesn't work on my machine (running Win ME); I can select a type 1 > >font but as soon as I type a letter ovnpro just tells me it has caused an > >error in OVNPRO.EXE and will quit. > > Well that is interesting. I suppose it is as I feared. My experience was > with XP. I presume you have ME + Adobe Type Manager? I think that's the case, yes. Ah, well - I'll just have to remember not to select those fonts! (At least they're clearly identified in the font list.) Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 12 13:53:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xivr-0007Hw-8U-0007KX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:53:36 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xivr-0007Hw-8U; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:05:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xivr-0007Hw-8U; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:05:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xivg-00030V-JI; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:05:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8C85Ar29071 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:05:10 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8C855S29053 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:05:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RPC ([213.48.145.89]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:05:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:02:47 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows Message-ID: <977fae304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000c01c37909$2170c110$6502a8c0@padua> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2003 08:05:03.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[926B4700:01C37904] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <000c01c37909$2170c110$6502a8c0@padua> "Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > It does work in Win2000 and XP, in which the fontmanager supports Type1 > fonts the same way as TrueTypes. > Also in (older) programs like Word97 or CorelDraw9, as far as such programs > themselves don't 'prevent' it. Fireworkz for Windows doesn't show any > installed Type1 like previous Ovation Pro versions didn't offer these. > > In OS's before Win2000 you also need Adobe Type Manager software to get > Type1 support. I don't know, how extensive this support is. I think, when > you can use Type1's in e.g. Word97 or equivalents, it should also work in > Ovation Pro ... Oddly, I've just tried using a Type 1 font in Word 2002 (on my WinME, ATM-using machine), and it was fine... Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 12 14:12:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xnj2-0007eB-B9-0007gG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:12:42 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xnj2-0007eB-B9; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:12:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xnj2-0007eB-B9; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:12:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xncf-0008PZ-Dp; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:06:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8CD55B06368 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:05:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8CD52O06348 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:05:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19xnbh-00042X-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:05:01 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:03:27 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows References: <000c01c37909$2170c110$6502a8c0@padua> <977fae304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <977fae304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Oddly, I've just tried using a Type 1 font in Word 2002 (on my WinME, >ATM-using machine), and it was fine... I would guess that some Windows API calls work with ATM and type 1s (e.g. the ones which Word uses) and others (the ones I'm using don't). Presumably one day I will get hold of ATM and work out just what is going wrong. Perhaps I should not allow type 1 fonts to be selected on W9X. However W98, 95, ME are all fading away. Given how slowly I'm making progress by the time OPW is finished they won't be of much interest. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 12 14:25:48 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xnus-0003zn-Cu-00046f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:25:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xnus-0003zn-Cu; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:24:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xnus-0003zn-Cu; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:24:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xnuo-0003uJ-9d; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:24:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8CDNtN13760 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:23:55 +0100 Received: from smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.138]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8CDNri13720 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:23:53 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from xs4all.nl (zaansoft.net [213.84.184.65] (may be forged)) by smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8CDNqtf067051 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:23:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F61C8FB.7020300@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:24:11 +0200 From: jan vermeulen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, nl, fr-fr, de, sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows References: <000c01c37909$2170c110$6502a8c0@padua> <977fae304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: > However W98, 95, ME are all fading away. Given how slowly I'm making > progress by the time OPW is finished they won't be of much interest. I would make an exception for W98SE with the latest service pack; it works ok here with 500 Mb of RAM and a 1.2 Gb processor. I'm convinced it is to stay for quite some time. J -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 12 14:33:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xo3U-0002LV-6m-0002V1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:33:52 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xo3U-0002LV-6m; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:33:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xo3U-0002LV-6m; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:33:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xo37-0001zl-3g; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:33:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8CDWOO17156 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:32:24 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8CDWDj17076 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:32:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from linux.at.home ([81.96.72.108]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030912133213.EYIJ26840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@linux.at.home> for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:32:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:35:23 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c37909$2170c110$6502a8c0@padua> <977fae304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/1.19b (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > However W98, 95, ME are all fading away. Given how slowly I'm making > progress by the time OPW is finished they won't be of much interest. Except that Wine (the windows API implementation for linux) is a win98-type API. Perhaps, though, if you need info on such things, wine is the place to look for help? I am happy to see that the latest version of OPwin works even better in wine :-) John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 12 15:15:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xohE-0007RB-5p-0007UK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:15:15 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xohE-0007RB-5p; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:14:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xohE-0007RB-5p; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:14:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xoh6-00072E-Sn; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:14:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8CEEX401147 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:14:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8CEEXh01143 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:14:33 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19xogy-0008o5-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:14:32 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:13:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows References: <000c01c37909$2170c110$6502a8c0@padua> <977fae304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Except that Wine (the windows API implementation for linux) is a win98-type >API. Perhaps, though, if you need info on such things, wine is the place to >look for help? All versions of Windows share the same API - that's why OPW works on more than one version. The sort of trouble is that W9X tends to do things using 16 bits rather than the 32 bits of NT, XP etc. The later the version of Windows, the more features it has, and there are small differences in the API's. But so far I've not used anything not in W95. Anyway I'm glad to hear about Wine. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 12 17:04:07 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19xqOg-0000u6-Dq-0000zl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:04:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19xqOg-0000u6-Dq; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:03:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19xqOg-0000u6-Dq; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:03:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19xqOO-0006CM-3i; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:03:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8CG3Mm12037 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:03:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8CG3Mj12031 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:03:22 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=greatest) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19xqOG-0006EG-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:03:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:02:51 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows Message-ID: References: <977fae304c%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message of 12 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > However W98, 95, ME are all fading away. Not in this household they aren't. We have standard all PC machines on Win98SE: it works and there aren't too many communications with Big Brother Who Watches Us from Calif, US of A. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 16 19:42:29 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19yISC-0000dV-8E-0000eF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:42:29 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19yISC-0000dV-8E; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:01:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19yISC-0000dV-8E; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:01:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19yIS7-00021w-P3; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:01:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8DM0Fj05679 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:00:16 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8DM01W05567 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:00:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=39700 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19yIQy-0007tb-Jx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:00:00 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55893 helo=padua) by smtp5.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19yIQv-0006IC-BQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:59:57 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c37a4a$d566d280$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: [softwarelist] OP Win: T1 not recognised after save Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:00:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Although (in Win2000) Type1's can be used, from these fonts the weights containing '-' are NOT recognised by Ovation Pro 2.72 for Windows, when I have saved a document and when I reload it. E.g. Allegro and Andante (both no subfonts) don't cause trouble >From the font Adrian with subfonts: Adrian (Regular) is recognised but Adrian-Bold, Adrian-Oblique, Adrian-BoldOblique are NOT recognised >From the font Adrian Old Style with the subonts: AdrianOldStyle (Regular) is recognised but AdrianOldStyle-Bold, AdrianOldStyle-Italic, AdrianOldStyle-BoldItalic are NOT recognised >From Adrian Old Style Medium with the subfonts AdrianOldStyle-Medium, AdrianOldStyle-MediumItalic both aren't recognised.... Print to PostScript is OK. I don't think it is 'wise' to make documents (yet) with Type1 fonts ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 16 19:43:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19yl55-000288-A0-00029E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:43:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19yl55-000288-A0; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:35:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19yl55-000288-A0; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:35:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19yl4y-0003Cm-Uo; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:35:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8F4Ycc19783 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:34:38 +0100 Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz (bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8F4YXs19760 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:34:35 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (smtp-3b.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.212]) by linda-1.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0HL800N6VNDI26@linda-1.paradise.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:34:31 +1200 (NZST) Received: from eyewear.paradise.net.nz (203-79-102-207.tnt14.paradise.net.nz [203.79.102.207]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id BF746ADF15 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:34:29 +1200 (NZST) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:35:24 +1200 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] TWAIN for a Mitsubishi DV650 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c322704f0adamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David, Will you possibly supply a RISC OS 4 and 5 driver for this Mitsubishi scanner? I'm planning on running it on an SARPC and/or an Iyonix. DIAMOND VIEW DV650U Flatbed Scanner *USB Interface *600 x 1200 dpi optical resolution Brian -- Brian Adam Auckland NEW ZEALAND -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 16 22:36:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19zNUD-0005HY-DC-0005JV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:36:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19zNUD-0005HY-DC; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:35:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19zNUD-0005HY-DC; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:35:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zNTo-0002ea-E0; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:35:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8GLZ4g17051 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:35:04 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8GLZ3217045 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:35:03 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19zNTT-000Ow9-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:35:03 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:33:44 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] TWAIN for a Mitsubishi DV650 References: <4c322704f0adamlists@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c322704f0adamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Will you possibly supply a RISC OS 4 and 5 driver for this Mitsubishi >scanner? I'm planning on running it on an SARPC and/or an Iyonix. >DIAMOND VIEW DV650U Flatbed Scanner >*USB Interface *600 x 1200 dpi optical resolution > Unlikely. If I could do it all again... I would support far less scanners but support them better. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 16 23:16:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19zO7O-0006y4-G3-00070S."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:16:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19zO7O-0006y4-G3; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:16:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19zO7O-0006y4-G3; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:16:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zO7M-00087N-0O; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:16:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8GMGCS29059 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:16:12 +0100 Received: from linda-4.paradise.net.nz (bm-4a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.23]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8GMGBj29051 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:16:11 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (smtp-1b.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.210]) by linda-4.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0HLB00IEZV6WOG@linda-4.paradise.net.nz> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:16:08 +1200 (NZST) Received: from eyewear.paradise.net.nz (203-79-102-241.tnt14.paradise.net.nz [203.79.102.241]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 78F9F8275B for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:16:07 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:17:25 +1200 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TWAIN for a Mitsubishi DV650 In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c330c160aadamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/4.02) References: <4c322704f0adamlists@paradise.net.nz> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > > > Unlikely. > If I could do it all again... I would support far less scanners but > support them better. So are the only scanner drivers available for RISC OS what's stated at ? For Iyonix too? Brian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 16 23:37:54 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19zOSB-0002tV-5j-0002v7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:37:54 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19zOSB-0002tV-5j; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:37:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19zOSB-0002tV-5j; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:37:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zOS7-00020Q-Hr; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:37:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8GMbQB02376 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:37:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8GMbJ502344 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:37:20 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19zORi-0003Pe-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:37:18 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:36:08 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: TWAIN for a Mitsubishi DV650 References: <4c322704f0adamlists@paradise.net.nz> <4c330c160aadamlists@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4c330c160aadamlists@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >So are the only scanner drivers available for RISC OS what's stated at >? For Iyonix too? Yes the only ones available are on the web page. For Iyonix they can be simplified to - Epson 1640, 1660, 2400. And possibly the 2450 and 3200. They're good scanners and they're inexpensive. I'd guess the max market size is 100 users. The Epson driver took three months to get working. So no reason to support any other scanner line. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 17 00:53:31 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19zPcr-0002F2-C0-0002IJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:53:31 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19zPcr-0002F2-C0; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:52:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19zPcr-0002F2-C0; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:52:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zPcX-0002oP-5v; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:52:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8GNqBC19881 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:52:11 +0100 Received: from smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net (smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.76]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8GNq3519847 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:52:04 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 213-193-182-107.adsl.easynet.be ([213.193.182.107] helo=Iota) by smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zPc1-0000A0-Vh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:52:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:55:39 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails Message-ID: <4c33151434sclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: References: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> <4c2cb380b8sclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 06 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Still a few duplicates. Neil Spellings is on the case now... There seems to be a problem with SmartGroups. The problem with duplicate emails seems to be solved in this mailing list, but it appeared in other SmartGroup mailing list (riscos select an iyonix). :-/ What did you do to solve the problem? And why was Neil Spellings involved in this? Is there a problem with aaug.net? I think there is just a problem with a mail server (i.e. it has nothing to do with aaug.net). BTW: I looked at the SmartGroups website to find out if they know about this problem, but it's down for maintenance (until 19/09 17:00 gmt+1). Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 17 01:30:50 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19zQD5-0007Y6-8I-0007bi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:30:50 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19zQD5-0007Y6-8I; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:30:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19zQD5-0007Y6-8I; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:30:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zQCE-0004di-6P; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:29:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8H0T8Q28317 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:29:08 +0100 Received: from smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net (smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.76]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8H0T5B28311 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:29:05 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 213-193-182-107.adsl.easynet.be ([213.193.182.107] helo=Iota) by smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zQBs-00015L-UT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:29:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:33:37 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails Message-ID: <4c33188debsclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4c33151434sclaes@aaug.net> References: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> <4c2cb380b8sclaes@aaug.net> <4c33151434sclaes@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Platform: Iyonix pc X-Processor: Xscale 80321 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 17 Sep, sclaes@aaug.net wrote: > On 06 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > Still a few duplicates. Neil Spellings is on the case now... > There seems to be a problem with SmartGroups. The problem with duplicate > emails seems to be solved in this mailing list, but it appeared in other > SmartGroup mailing list (riscos select an iyonix). :-/ Oops, it's not a SmartGroup problem: there are duplicates in other mailing lists too. > What did you do to solve the problem? And why was Neil Spellings involved > in this? Is there a problem with aaug.net? I think there is just a problem > with a mail server (i.e. it has nothing to do with aaug.net). There seems to be a problem with a mail server from x-mailer.co.uk (this domain is registeredby dsvr.co.uk, so AIUI it has something to do with aaug.net)... I will ask Neil. [snip SG website down] Stefaan -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 17 02:09:08 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19zQoc-0002HI-AJ-0002Io."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:09:08 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19zQoc-0002HI-AJ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:09:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19zQoc-0002HI-AJ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:09:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zQoI-0003NU-3j; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:08:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8H18aT04922 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:08:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8H18V804901 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:08:31 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19zQo2-0007gu-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:08:30 +0100 Message-ID: <$jCXGsEHP7Z$EwZ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:07:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails References: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> <4c2cb380b8sclaes@aaug.net> <4c33151434sclaes@aaug.net> <4c33188debsclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4c33188debsclaes@aaug.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >There seems to be a problem with a mail server from x-mailer.co.uk >(this domain is registeredby dsvr.co.uk, so AIUI it has something to do >with aaug.net)... I will ask Neil. This is not a smart group, it has nothing to do with them. It is run by Spellings. What Neil did was to 'bounce a server', turn it off/on? I guess the working theory is that something went wrong with the machine of his running Majordomo - which is the software that manages the list. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 17 13:54:56 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19zXKa-0006K2-E7-0006MT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:54:56 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19zXKa-0006K2-E7; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:06:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19zXKa-0006K2-E7; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:06:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zXKI-0001yS-4v; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:06:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8H85wI27662 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:05:58 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8H85mi27598 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:05:48 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from oemcomputer ([80.7.5.177]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030917080546.CZCV1981.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:05:46 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed To: "softwarelist@davidpilling.net" Subject: [softwarelist] !Grabber applet From: jeff wallis MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:05:09 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have customised my OP button bar to include the tool bar items - OP comes with predefined macros for this - with the objective of dispensing with the side tool bar. I would like to be able to call the !grabber applet which appears in the tool bar from the button bar. I know nothing about the script language but I tried to set up a macro following the format of textpal and stylepal applets i.e. {_entry(0,0)} but I get an 'unknown identifier' error message. Has anyone else managed to get !grabber on to the button bar and if so what is the correct form for the macro? Thanks Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 17 13:55:03 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19za7w-0001k3-9r-0001n9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:55:03 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19za7w-0001k3-9r; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:05:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19za7w-0001k3-9r; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:05:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19za7s-0002Hp-W8; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:05:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8HB5QX27266 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:05:26 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8HB5PN27233 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:05:25 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [62.188.172.241] (helo=Art) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19za7e-0007A0-Vs for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:05:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: "softwarelist@davidpilling.net" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:03:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Grabber applet Message-ID: <4c3352390fgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , jeff wallis wrote: > I have customised my OP button bar to include the tool bar items - OP > comes with predefined macros for this - with the objective of > dispensing with the side tool bar. > I would like to be able to call the !grabber applet which appears in > the tool bar from the button bar. I know nothing about the script > language but I tried to set up a macro following the format of > textpal and stylepal applets i.e. > {_entry(0,0)} > but I get an 'unknown identifier' error message. > Has anyone else managed to get !grabber on to the button bar and if > so what is the correct form for the macro? try {picktool(32,0)} -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 17 23:49:43 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19zl75-0003ad-E3-0003bw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:49:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19zl75-0003ad-E3; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:49:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19zl75-0003ad-E3; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:49:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zl6s-0002lL-T8; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:49:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8HMmg311332 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:48:42 +0100 Received: from smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net (smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.76]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8HMmbh11299 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:48:37 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from 213-193-182-34.adsl.easynet.be ([213.193.182.34] helo=Iota) by smtp2.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zl6C-0007XS-Pb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:48:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefaan Claes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:43:45 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplicate emails Message-ID: <4c33925513sclaes@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <$jCXGsEHP7Z$EwZ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <566d9c2c4c.Brian@btinternet.com> <4c2cb380b8sclaes@aaug.net> <4c33151434sclaes@aaug.net> <4c33188debsclaes@aaug.net> <$jCXGsEHP7Z$EwZ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.05 X-Platform: Iyonix pc X-Processor: Xscale 80321 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 17 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >There seems to be a problem with a mail server from x-mailer.co.uk > >(this domain is registeredby dsvr.co.uk, so AIUI it has something to do > >with aaug.net)... I will ask Neil. > This is not a smart group, it has nothing to do with them. It is run by > Spellings. What Neil did was to 'bounce a server', turn it off/on? I guess I was half asleep when I wrote that :-/ I'm not an expert but I think there was more involved than just bouncing emails. Anyway this is way off topic here. > I guess the working theory is that something went wrong with the machine > of his running Majordomo - which is the software that manages the list. Could be. I will ask Neil. -- Stefaan Claes, Hove, Antwerpen, Belgium, Europe, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 18 13:31:19 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <19zsgR-0007lE-Ec-0007mc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:31:19 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 19zsgR-0007lE-Ec; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:54:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 19zsgR-0007lE-Ec; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:54:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19zsg8-0000xI-BP; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:54:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8I6qum10361 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:52:56 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8I6qhb10315 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:52:43 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from oemcomputer ([80.7.6.122]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030918065242.MFDK12315.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:52:42 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:52:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: !Grabber applet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: <4c3352390fgav@crawford-print.co.uk> From: jeff wallis MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c3352390fgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:03:30 +0100, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article , > jeff wallis wrote: > >> I have customised my OP button bar to include the tool bar items - OP >> comes with predefined macros for this - with the objective of >> dispensing with the side tool bar. > >> I would like to be able to call the !grabber applet which appears in >> the tool bar from the button bar. I know nothing about the script >> language but I tried to set up a macro following the format of >> textpal and stylepal applets i.e. > >> {_entry(0,0)} > >> but I get an 'unknown identifier' error message. > >> Has anyone else managed to get !grabber on to the button bar and if >> so what is the correct form for the macro? > > try {picktool(32,0)} > Yes that works - thanks very much indeed. Jeff Wallis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 19 02:47:35 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A0AMl-0001Ah-6H-0001E2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:47:35 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A0AMl-0001Ah-6H; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:47:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A0AMl-0001Ah-6H; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:47:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A0AMZ-0002kR-Dr; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:47:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8J1kPe28574 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:46:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8J1kED28554 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:46:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A0ALd-000DQq-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:46:13 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:44:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Scripted Search and Replace MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi In the October 2003 issue of Archive there is an article with the above title. It is about using a program by Paul Sprangers to edit files using a script to define what editing is done. This is a boon to someone like a magazine editor who has to make the same edits on documents many times e.g. removing double spaces. The program called ConvTech is available from the downloads section on http://www.livtech.co.uk What I want to point out is that it is easy to do scripted editing in Ovation Pro, this is not in competition with ConvTech but may be useful for the same reason. The classic example of this is the Fluff applet. After installing this, all you do is create an Ovation Pro script file (type b42) with contents like this; void main(void) { fluff_it("old text","new text"); } double click it to carry out the operation. Add as many fluff_it lines as you need. The Fluff applet comes with a load of rules built in for correcting typical problems in text. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 20 14:13:46 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A0emj-0001Zw-8k-0001bp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:13:46 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A0emj-0001Zw-8k; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:16:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A0emj-0001Zw-8k; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:16:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A0em6-0005rk-KK; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:15:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8KAEwL11311 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:14:59 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8KAEpq11267 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:14:52 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HLI00KUECIBM1@smtp05.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:15:48 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:09:10 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Scripted Search and Replace In-reply-to: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c34d8c1b3paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear all, David Pilling pointed at the Fluff applet, as an OPro alternative to ConvText (not ConvTech - amusing misspelling). I've taken a look at it, and indeed, Fluff is doing the same sort of things as ConvText, in much the same way. For particular jobs in Ovation, Fluff is therefore probably the best choice. However, for other jobs ConvText might have some advantages over Fluff: - Multiple scripts are possible (up to 30). - Search and Replace is more versatile (e.g. ASCII values and wildcards) - Editing is easier - The original file isn't affected. - Program independent. There is probably an equal number of down sides too, but that is something for the user to decide. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 20 14:38:17 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A0hw6-0003Ns-CB-0003PK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:38:17 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A0hw6-0003Ns-CB; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:38:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A0hw6-0003Ns-CB; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:38:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A0hvq-0006OL-IN; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:37:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8KDbNV32530 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:37:24 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8KDb5f32455 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:37:06 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A0hv6-00054b-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:37:05 +0100 Message-ID: <7cKmJ6BveFb$EwKj@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:35:43 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Scripted Search and Replace References: <4c34d8c1b3paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4c34d8c1b3paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >ConvText (not ConvTech - amusing misspelling). Yesh. hic. >However, for other jobs ConvText might have some advantages over Fluff: >- Multiple scripts are possible (up to 30). If you follow the double click run an OP script file approach I outlined you've got as many scripts as you want. Obviously having them on a menu like ConvText is a neater approach. >- Search and Replace is more versatile (e.g. ASCII values and wildcards) Fluff uses the s/r script functions in OP, and they have the same functionality as the s/r dialogue box, so you've got wildcards and the ability to find special OP text objects. It is also possible to control the scope, like all stories or from caret. Downside is that some of this would involve editing the Fluff applet script file. >- Editing is easier Your script language is easier to understand than mine? I'd agree if that is the point. If you wanted to use ConvText on a piece of text in OP, saving as DDL might be useful, since that will save all your styles/effect info. However you might then have to be careful to limit edits to quoted text in the DDL file. Such scripted editing has a long history, in the land of UNIX, ed begat sed, sed begat awk, awk begat perl. So if you're real programmer material all this will be kid's stuff. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 20 16:28:11 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A0jeY-0004ha-6v-0004lc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:28:11 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A0jeY-0004ha-6v; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:28:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A0jeY-0004ha-6v; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:28:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A0jeH-000827-Vb; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:27:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8KFROm29558 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:27:24 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8KFRDM29510 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:27:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=50075 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A0jdg-0005YJ-Fc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:27:12 +0200 Received: from cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([217.123.44.165]:55855 helo=padua) by smtp1.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A0jdf-0006pm-Qo for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:27:11 +0200 Message-ID: <001401c37f90$641323e0$6502a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4c34d8c1b3paul@delink.nl> <7cKmJ6BveFb$EwKj@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Scripted Search and Replace Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:00:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Saturday, September 20, 2003 2:35 PM, David Pilling wrote: >On Saturday, September 20, 2003 11:09 AM, > Paul Sprangers wrote: >>David Pilling pointed at the Fluff applet, as an OPro alternative to >>ConvText (not ConvTech - amusing misspelling). > > Yesh. hic. > >> However, for other jobs ConvText might have some advantages over >> Fluff: >> - Multiple scripts are possible (up to 30). > > If you follow the double click run an OP script file approach I > outlined you've got as many scripts as you want. Obviously having > them on a menu like ConvText is a neater approach. > You can have them in a menu, when you put OP script files in Stationary. Or in a subfolder in Stationary. Double-click to run them, when needed. To view them, you can drop them in OP from Stationary-->View. I haven't found a way to save them from OP with correct filetype, so: To edit them, I use Stationary-->View and drop in e.g. Edit. Or create new ones in e.g. !Edit. Save back in Stationary with OvPScrpt file type. Several can be executed one after the other. BTW this also works in OP for Windows and for other scripts. Maybe the subject is a nice addition for Archive. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 20 19:35:44 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A0mZM-0002ys-4A-00030R."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:35:44 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A0mZM-0002ys-4A; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:34:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A0mZM-0002ys-4A; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:34:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A0mZH-0004Uo-H9; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:34:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8KIYRl16674 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:34:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8KIY8c16038 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:34:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A0mYY-0002zw-0b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:34:07 +0100 Message-ID: <2gVl2hDQ1Jb$EwoK@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:32:48 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Scripted Search and Replace References: <4c34d8c1b3paul@delink.nl> <7cKmJ6BveFb$EwKj@pilling.demon.co.uk> <001401c37f90$641323e0$6502a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <001401c37f90$641323e0$6502a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >You can have them in a menu, when you put OP script files in Stationary. >Or in a subfolder in Stationary. Double-click to run them, when needed. >To view them, you can drop them in OP from Stationary-->View. Fair enough. Probably very easy, if you really want to tweek the stationery applet you could turn it into something called 'Scripts' that gave you a menu of them. >I haven't found a way to save them from OP with correct filetype, so: >To edit them, I use Stationary-->View and drop in e.g. Edit. Or settype them on disc in the stationery view window. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 20 20:46:18 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A0ng6-0003sV-6V-0003wP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:46:18 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A0ng6-0003sV-6V; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:45:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A0ng6-0003sV-6V; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:45:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A0ng0-0003Ss-Hm; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:45:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8KJjaR05075 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:45:37 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8KJjRH05037 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:45:27 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HLJ00DMR2FGZE@smtp01.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:35:41 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:34:51 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Scripted Search and Replace In-reply-to: <7cKmJ6BveFb$EwKj@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c350c8bc9paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <4c34d8c1b3paul@delink.nl> <7cKmJ6BveFb$EwKj@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > So if you're real programmer material all this will be kid's stuff. There you got me! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 20 21:46:48 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A0ocf-0003qS-6b-0003uL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:46:48 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A0ocf-0003qS-6b; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:46:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A0ocf-0003qS-6b; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:46:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A0ocY-0005Qc-NV; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:46:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8KKjs621424 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:45:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8KKjpj21411 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:45:51 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A0oby-0008fP-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:45:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:39:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Scripted Search and Replace Message-ID: <4c35127313Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c34d8c1b3paul@delink.nl> References: <4c34d8c1b3paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c34d8c1b3paul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > However, for other jobs ConvText might have some advantages over > Fluff:... Something I wondered looking at ConvText is how conscious it is off where line breaks occur in the file it is editing. Leaving aside the functions that work across line breaks I presume that other searches tend to be applied to single lines? Does ConvText: a) scan the file line by line and for each line try to do each scripted change, or b) take each scripted change, and try to apply it to the whole file as often as it can until there are no more search matches? Once it has done its thing, does it repeat the process bearing in mind that changes made by some S&Rs may create targets for other S&R functions? If it does repeat things how do you prevent a script like: SCRIPT: TEST a:b b:a from looping for ever? If it doesn't repeat then how does a user knoe that the editing is complete (ie that they don't have to rerun the script on the output file)? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 21 14:37:43 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A11aR-0003XE-4S-0003YQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:37:43 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A11aR-0003XE-4S; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:37:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A11aR-0003XE-4S; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:37:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A11a6-0000sO-C6; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:36:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8LAZra16933 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:35:53 +0100 Received: from smtp09.wxs.nl (smtp09.wxs.nl [195.121.6.38]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8LAZna16925 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:35:49 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from me (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HLK00DQZ7TCRC@smtp09.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:29:37 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:31:08 +0200 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Scripted Search and Replace In-reply-to: <4c35127313Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4c355e9a7epaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <4c34d8c1b3paul@delink.nl> <4c35127313Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4c35127313Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > Something I wondered ... I suggest that we transpose the discussion about ConvText to private mails, as it has very little (if anything) to do with David Pillings programs. (I already almost regret having written it.) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 21 14:48:34 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A14Zj-0006EV-EH-0006FO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:48:34 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A14Zj-0006EV-EH; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:48:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A14Zj-0006EV-EH; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:48:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A14Zb-0001Cr-Tj; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:48:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8LDljp03978 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:47:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8LDlbp03941 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:47:38 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A14Yq-0001Dr-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:47:36 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:46:33 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Scripted Search and Replace References: <4c34d8c1b3paul@delink.nl> <4c35127313Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4c355e9a7epaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4c355e9a7epaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Something I wondered ... >I suggest that we transpose the discussion about ConvText to private mails, >as it has very little (if anything) to do with David Pillings programs. >Once it has done its thing, does it repeat the process bearing in mind >that changes made by some S&Rs may create targets for other S&R >functions? One comment, I did notice that in the fluff applet, after applying one or two rules it applies them again just to allow for such cases. Perhaps multiple spaces are an example, I'm not a double spacer but one of my keyboards throws in 2, 3 or 4 spaces some times. So just taking out double spaces once would not be enough. In the context of Paul Beverley's article the sort of work done by ConvText or Fluff is relevant to desktop publishing. However as you say perhaps this far is far enough here. I'd guess the Archive mail list will have more people using ConvText in anger (or joy...). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 30 19:06:07 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A3lVQ-0002ni-E5-0002qg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:06:07 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A3lVQ-0002ni-E5; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:03:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A3lVQ-0002ni-E5; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:03:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A3lVK-0003Zf-Vm; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:03:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8T02I801775 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:02:18 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8T02DL01730 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:02:14 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.253.40.23]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030929000211.ILBS12263.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:02:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:59:07 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Document corruption Message-ID: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.03) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have a document which appears to be corrupted. It tells me that document corruption has been detected when I load it although it will load and appears OK. The problem then seems to be two particular frames which when I try to delete either of them gives a Type 5 error. Is it OK to just put some more frames over the top of those two and cary on as normal; or is there some way that OPro can uncorrupt itself? I have to print the document, a chess magazine, tomorrow as it is due out on the 30th!! Using OPro 2.72 on an Iyonix JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 30 19:06:14 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A3sDj-0000mr-6I-0000nX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:06:14 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A3sDj-0000mr-6I; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:13:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A3sDj-0000mr-6I; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:13:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A3sDH-0002cR-1F; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:12:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8T7CRs31441 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:12:27 +0100 Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8T7COV31425 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:12:24 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h8T7CLit006803 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:12:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:08:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Document corruption Message-ID: <4c396ab9c1ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.05 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , wrote: > I have a document which appears to be corrupted. > It tells me that document corruption has been detected when I load it > although it will load and appears OK. The problem then seems to be two > particular frames which when I try to delete either of them gives a > Type 5 error. > Is it OK to just put some more frames over the top of those two and > cary on as normal; or is there some way that OPro can uncorrupt itself? Try saving it out as a DDL file and reloading that. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 30 19:06:47 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A4FXp-0002Lg-5Q-0003LJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:06:47 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A4FXp-0002Lg-5Q; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:08:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A4FXp-0002Lg-5Q; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:07:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A4FWh-0003u8-RZ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:06:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h8U869r20529 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:06:09 +0100 Received: from mxout1.netvision.net.il (mxout1.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.20]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h8U868o20524 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:06:09 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from netvision.net.il ([217.132.42.243]) by mxout1.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HM0008OCP675M@mxout1.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:06:07 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:06:07 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: [softwarelist] ArcFax / Iyonix To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3F79396F.60903@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HAS_ORGANIZATION,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have found ArcFax much less reliable on my Iyonix than on my old Risc PC. In particular, the communications between ArcFax and the modem seem slower, sometimes timing out. One thing I noticed today was that I didn't have the serial buffer module installed on the Iyonix, presumably because when I got the Iyonix it was not 32-bit compatible. I have just installed the latest version - would that be likely to make an improvement, or is there some other problem lurking somewhere? Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 1 14:48:40 2003 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1A4gqd-0005WN-Co-0006pb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:48:40 +0100 Return-path: Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1A4gqd-0005WN-Co; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:48:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1A4gqd-0005WN-Co; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:16:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A4gqa-0002ee-4K; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:16:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h91DGMp11497 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:16:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by svr1.spellings.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id h91DGL511490 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:16:21 +0100 Delivered-To: Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A4gq3-000OW4-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:16:20 +0100 Message-ID: <8Exn$oAUNte$EwCR@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:15:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax / Iyonix References: <3F79396F.60903@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <3F79396F.60903@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I have found ArcFax much less reliable on my Iyonix than on my old >Risc PC. In particular, the communications between ArcFax and the >modem seem slower, sometimes timing out. One thing I noticed today >was that I didn't have the serial buffer module installed on the >Iyonix, presumably because when I got the Iyonix it was not 32-bit >compatible. I have just installed the latest version - would that >be likely to make an improvement, or is there some other problem >lurking somewhere? First on buffers. ArcFax can talk to the serial system using its own code or it can do it via a block driver. If it uses its own code (preferable) then it uses the serial buffering code in the ArcFax module (or in the Hearsay module if you're running Hearsay at the same time - in fact the ArcFax module is the same and will show up the same on *modules). If you're using block drivers then you have to make your own arrangements about serial buffering - typically my serial module. You set up ArcFax to use blocks or not - appendix 3 in the manual. So there is scope to stuff up the serial buffering and doing so may upset things. However what your point brings to mind is the situation when Strong ARM came out. It seemed then that a faster machine would lead to slower results. Typically what was happening was that ArcFax would reach some point where it wanted a modem response faster, timeout and then repeat the operation. I'd be inclined to produce a debug spool and then we can see where the problem is occuring. Of course there is always the chance of the trouble being something else entirely e.g. your modem doesn't like the Iyo's serial port. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net