From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 1 13:53:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044078802:10:13825:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:53:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044078802:10:13825:43; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 05:53:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012548; 1 Feb 2003 5:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18eqZQ-0006OY-00; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 05:52:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h115paP05991 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 05:51:36 GMT Received: from dragon.actrix.co.nz (dragon.actrix.co.nz [203.96.16.164]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h115pYF05988 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 05:51:35 GMT Received: from .actrix.gen.nz (ak-d15.connections.net.nz [202.154.128.15]) by dragon.actrix.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id D7CA915B4A for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 18:51:20 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:45:09 +1400 From: David Love To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP-Styles Message-ID: <46fdc4bd4b.zed@actrix.co.nz> References: <768597bd4b.zed@actrix.co.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >After several years use of OP I have started using Styles and all but > >one work as expected. The rogue one is for Paragraphs. Most times it > >works but sometimes it doesn't. > > The common catch is that local effects take priority over any applied > styles. So if you've applied Bold to a piece of text, you can apply all > the styles you want, it will remain bold. > > Select all, Remove All Styles and Effects can be useful. Yippee! that was the answer. All is now well. I know of no there platform in which requests for help are answered so promptly. Thank you. > >Regards from New Zealand on a very pleasant Saturday morning. > > Bah! > > Britain shivers in white hell, shock horror. And it gets worse! The mid afternoon temperature in my garden was 27 degrees C (80 degrees F) with not a cloud in the sky:-) David -- David Love Be nice to your kids.... They will pick out your nursing home. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 1 13:53:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044094173:10:10960:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:53:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044094173:10:10960:39; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 10:09:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1100308; 1 Feb 2003 10:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18euZc-0007a5-00; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 10:08:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h11A7rs28584 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:07:53 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h11A7q528579 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:07:52 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18euYx-0003gk-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 10:07:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:47:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP-Styles Message-ID: <4bbde0a040john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <768597bd4b.zed@actrix.co.nz> <4bbda4c1a4john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 31 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >It's just the less important bits of Britain that had the whiteout. ;-) > > > Ah I only know what I see on the TV. > Here where the Gulf stream laps the shores, it's been cool this week, > not enough to trouble the palm trees, no snow, chucking it down with > rain now. Now that sounds more like Blackpool... ..but where do you hide the plam trees whenever I pass through? -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 1 13:53:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044087075:20:09434:103".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:53:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044087075:20:09434:103; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:11:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009353; 1 Feb 2003 8:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18esjZ-0004vp-00; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:10:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1189uk16089 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:09:56 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1189ut16086 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:09:56 GMT Received: from userbj61.uk.uudial.com ([62.188.143.224] helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18esin-0001xC-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:09:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 00:29:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Autosave problem(?) Message-ID: <4bbdad9a40owlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bba12e621owlart@argonet.co.uk> <4bbacd0053owlart@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >> >With OvationPro's Autosave feature, I have come across a problem > >> >(or maybe a feature, not sure). If at any time when it prompts me > >> >if I wish to autosave, I say 'No', it will stop autosaving > >> >completely. I'd quite like it to carry on asking me every 10 mins, > >> >and just give me the choice not to save this time. Any ideas on > >> >this one? > I think its a bit more subtle. Firstly there are rules, it will prompt > if you've set it to prompt, or the first time it attempts to autosave. > If you reject a prompt for autosave, then autosave is cancelled until > the document is changed again, when the autosave timeout sets off once > more. > So if you modify a document, reject a prompt, and then make no more > changes, then yes your document sits there waiting for the computer to > crash. That's what I'd expect, however having just tried this, then once you reject a prompt to autosave, no matter how much the document is changed it never prompts again, leaving it very prone to loss :-( I realise the obvious answer is to turn off prompting altogether, but there are some times when you just don't want to save the mess you've just made! Andrew -- http://www.owlart.co.uk/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 1 13:53:51 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044099266:20:13891:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:53:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044099266:20:13891:50; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 11:34:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013523; 1 Feb 2003 11:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18evuD-0006hM-00; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 11:33:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h11BXNM08592 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:33:23 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h11BXLC08588 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:33:22 GMT Received: from db03.fields.gol.com ([203.216.5.173] helo=localhost) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with esmtp (Magnetic Fields) id 18evte-0001Fc-00 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 20:33:18 +0900 Received: from 54-1-77-022.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.77.22] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 18evtc-0001FZ-00 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 20:33:17 +0900 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 20:30:15 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP-Styles To: OvationPro / Dave Pilling In-Reply-To: <46fdc4bd4b.zed@actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sat 01 Feb, David Love wrote: > > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > >After several years use of OP I have started using Styles and all but > > >one work as expected. The rogue one is for Paragraphs. Most times it > > >works but sometimes it doesn't. > > > > The common catch is that local effects take priority over any applied > > styles. So if you've applied Bold to a piece of text, you can apply all > > the styles you want, it will remain bold. > > > > Select all, Remove All Styles and Effects can be useful. > > Yippee! that was the answer. All is now well. I know of no there > platform in which requests for help are answered so promptly. Thank > you. > > > >Regards from New Zealand on a very pleasant Saturday morning. > > > > Bah! > > > > Britain shivers in white hell, shock horror. > > And it gets worse! The mid afternoon temperature in my garden was > 27 degrees C (80 degrees F) with not a cloud in the sky:-) > > > David > -- > David Love > > Be nice to your kids.... They will pick out your nursing home. > David! You're _not_ going to be making friends!! (Nice tag line tho :-) ) Ian You all don't want to know about the weather here. :-) -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Feb 2 15:21:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044199168:20:23260:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:21:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044199168:20:23260:55; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 15:19:28 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103975; 2 Feb 2003 15:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18fLtk-0001GZ-00; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 15:19:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h12FINb12899 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:18:23 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h12FIM312894 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:18:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18fLt0-000FgP-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 15:18:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:17:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Iyonix/RISC OS 5.02 slow rendering fixed References: <46fdc4bd4b.zed@actrix.co.nz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, I've just flashed RISC OS 5.02 on to my Iyonix. The Font_ReadFontMetric problem that could make text rendering very slow (tab leaders etc.) appears to have been fixed. So you have no more worries about spending 1300 quid on a computer that goes 20 x slower 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Feb 2 23:41:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044228816:20:15213:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:41:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044228816:20:15213:45; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 23:33:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2015015; 2 Feb 2003 23:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18fTbr-0006fQ-00; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 23:33:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h12NWdN15562 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:32:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h12NWcq15558 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:32:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18fTbK-0005Df-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 23:32:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:31:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Autosave problem(?) References: <4bba12e621owlart@argonet.co.uk> <4bbacd0053owlart@argonet.co.uk> <4bbdad9a40owlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bbdad9a40owlart@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >That's what I'd expect, however having just tried this, then once you >reject a prompt to autosave, no matter how much the document is changed >it never prompts again, leaving it very prone to loss :-( I realise the >obvious answer is to turn off prompting altogether, but there are some >times when you just don't want to save the mess you've just made! Thanks for clearing that up for me. You are quite right, and in the light of the above, it is a bug, and I have now fixed it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 3 18:15:53 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044295882:10:13833:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:15:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044295882:10:13833:72; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 18:11:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125474; 3 Feb 2003 18:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18fl38-0004be-00; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 18:10:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h13I8mt30745 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:08:49 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h13I8ku30737 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:08:47 GMT Received: from [62.188.131.222] (helo=62.188.131.222) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18fl0o-0000k2-00; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 18:08:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: iyonix-support@smartgroups.com, softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 18:05:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Printing problems Message-ID: <4bbf15e59acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Just when I thought everything was going well after the recent upgrade, I find that printing from OvPro gives rise to an error message: Internal Error: abort on Data Tranfer at &FC322E8C in "squished.SupportLJ" (&80000002)@3105. I am printing via a Network (RComp system), but I can print from !DPingScan without problems. PrintManager crashes, it won't re-load (same error message), so I have to reboot. So, it's back to the RPC for reliability. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 3 18:25:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044296623:10:04102:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:25:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044296623:10:04102:42; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 18:23:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003526; 3 Feb 2003 18:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18flFD-0004Hz-00; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 18:22:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h13IMp401667 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:22:51 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h13IMpc01663 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:22:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18flF4-000FOO-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 18:22:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:21:48 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Printing problems References: <4bbf15e59acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bbf15e59acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Just when I thought everything was going well after the recent upgrade, I >find that printing from OvPro gives rise to an error message: >Internal Error: abort on Data Tranfer at &FC322E8C in "squished.SupportLJ" >(&80000002)@3105. oh dear. The usual thing with this sort of problem is to establish if it is printing a certain thing that causes the problem. For example there are some fonts that will cause a crash, odd pictures, odd classes of pictures like JPEG's. Pictures in non-rectangular frames, pictures with image processing enabled. So it would be interesting to hear specifically what crashes, set off with an empty document and work your way up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 3 22:39:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044311974:10:28369:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:39:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044311974:10:28369:61; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:39:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028425; 3 Feb 2003 22:39 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18fpFC-0007In-00; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:39:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h13MclQ29643 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:38:47 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h13Mcli29637 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:38:47 GMT Received: from [62.188.146.50] (helo=62.188.146.50) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18fpEb-0000vx-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:38:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 18:45:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Printing problems Message-ID: <4bbf1996f7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bbf15e59acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Just when I thought everything was going well after the recent upgrade, > >I find that printing from OvPro gives rise to an error message: > >Internal Error: abort on Data Tranfer at &FC322E8C in > >"squished.SupportLJ" (&80000002)@3105. > oh dear. > The usual thing with this sort of problem is to establish if it is > printing a certain thing that causes the problem. > For example there are some fonts that will cause a crash, odd pictures, > odd classes of pictures like JPEG's. Pictures in non-rectangular frames, > pictures with image processing enabled. > So it would be interesting to hear specifically what crashes, set off > with an empty document and work your way up. Starting with a blank document- PrintManager crashes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 3 23:09:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044313645:20:28683:85".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:09:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044313645:20:28683:85; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:07:25 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111270; 3 Feb 2003 23:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18fpg2-000158-00; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:06:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h13N6uo01807 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:06:56 GMT Received: from he200war.uk.vianw.net (he200war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.220]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h13N6u401801 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:06:56 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.7] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he200war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18fpfw-00035B-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:06:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:06:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing problems Message-ID: <4bbf317d2echris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4bbf312281chris@bulldog.u-net.com> References: <4bbf15e59acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <4bbf312281chris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 03 Feb, chris@bulldog.u-net.com wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > >Just when I thought everything was going well after the recent > > >upgrade, I find that printing from OvPro gives rise to an error > > >message: Internal Error: abort on Data Tranfer at &FC322E8C in > > >"squished.SupportLJ" (&80000002)@3105. > > oh dear. > > The usual thing with this sort of problem is to establish if it is > > printing a certain thing that causes the problem. > > For example there are some fonts that will cause a crash, odd > > pictures, odd classes of pictures like JPEG's. Pictures in > > non-rectangular frames, pictures with image processing enabled. > > So it would be interesting to hear specifically what crashes, set > > off with an empty document and work your way up. > I have been having no problems printing from OPro on the Iyonix until > I had a test run tonight, having installed the latest updates > yesterday. > When trying to print a document, OPro raises the error "Cannot find a > valid endpoint". I have tried four different documents, one > containing only some jpegs I use to test or clean up my Epson inkjet, > the other three were text documents. All give the same behaviour. > Printing to a Lexmark laser printer over USB. > Now, that's interesting. Before getting the USB working, I used to > print to the same Lexmark printer over ShareFS to a RiscPC connected > to the parallel port (printer has both USB and parallel ports), and > have just tried it over ShareFS, and printing is fine. > Going back to the direct USB connection (both "printers" are now > active on the iconbar) the error message is raised on clicking on the > Print button in the print dialogue. > Printing over USB was working before - honest guv. > This looks like something to be raised on the Iyonix mail list. Maybe it is nothing to do with OPro. I have just tried to print a text file from Zap, and got an identical error message (Cannot find valid endpoint). Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 3 23:10:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044313404:20:23498:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:10:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044313404:20:23498:68; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:03:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102604; 3 Feb 2003 23:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18fpcH-0002RN-00; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:03:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h13N32601148 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:03:02 GMT Received: from he201war.uk.vianw.net (he201war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.221]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h13N32801145 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:03:02 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.88] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he201war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18fpcB-0002m8-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:02:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:02:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Printing problems Message-ID: <4bbf312281chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4bbf15e59acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Just when I thought everything was going well after the recent > >upgrade, I find that printing from OvPro gives rise to an error > >message: Internal Error: abort on Data Tranfer at &FC322E8C in > >"squished.SupportLJ" (&80000002)@3105. > oh dear. > The usual thing with this sort of problem is to establish if it is > printing a certain thing that causes the problem. > For example there are some fonts that will cause a crash, odd > pictures, odd classes of pictures like JPEG's. Pictures in > non-rectangular frames, pictures with image processing enabled. > So it would be interesting to hear specifically what crashes, set > off with an empty document and work your way up. I have been having no problems printing from OPro on the Iyonix until I had a test run tonight, having installed the latest updates yesterday. When trying to print a document, OPro raises the error "Cannot find a valid endpoint". I have tried four different documents, one containing only some jpegs I use to test or clean up my Epson inkjet, the other three were text documents. All give the same behaviour. Printing to a Lexmark laser printer over USB. Now, that's interesting. Before getting the USB working, I used to print to the same Lexmark printer over ShareFS to a RiscPC connected to the parallel port (printer has both USB and parallel ports), and have just tried it over ShareFS, and printing is fine. Going back to the direct USB connection (both "printers" are now active on the iconbar) the error message is raised on clicking on the Print button in the print dialogue. Printing over USB was working before - honest guv. This looks like something to be raised on the Iyonix mail list. Regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 3 23:20:00 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044314020:10:22678:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:20:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044314020:10:22678:55; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:13:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023093; 3 Feb 2003 23:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18fpmN-0002Id-00; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:13:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h13NDKW02949 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:13:20 GMT Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h13NDKH02944 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:13:20 GMT Received: from dial81-131-143-158.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.131.143.158] helo=btopenworld.com) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18fpmA-0005BR-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:13:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Autosave problem(?) Message-ID: <4bbf31dae1owlart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bba12e621owlart@argonet.co.uk> <4bbacd0053owlart@argonet.co.uk> <4bbdad9a40owlart@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >That's what I'd expect, however having just tried this, then once you > >reject a prompt to autosave, no matter how much the document is changed > >it never prompts again, leaving it very prone to loss :-( I realise the > >obvious answer is to turn off prompting altogether, but there are some > >times when you just don't want to save the mess you've just made! > Thanks for clearing that up for me. You are quite right, and in the > light of the above, it is a bug, and I have now fixed it. Brilliant, thanks. Andrew -- http://www.owlart.co.uk/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Sales@owlart.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Feb 3 23:30:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044314723:20:24251:86".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:30:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044314723:20:24251:86; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:25:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024633; 3 Feb 2003 23:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18fpxa-0004z3-00; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:25:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h13NP0604892 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:25:00 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h13NP0g04886 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:25:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18fpxT-000Bdk-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:24:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:23:23 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Printing problems References: <4bbf15e59acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <4bbf312281chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4bbf312281chris@bulldog.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Sounds like Chris is having problems with *USB* whilst Charles tells us he is printing over a *network*... What's the difference between my scanning program and OP? One uses background printing and the other not? So something to try, go to print choices in OP and toggle the 'background' button. I suppose that would perhaps explain why some other apps print and some don't. Draw should use background mode. I'll perhaps give Sprinter a go later on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 4 01:46:55 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044322976:10:19847:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 01:46:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044322976:10:19847:49; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:42:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105574; 4 Feb 2003 1:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18fs6k-0000La-00; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:42:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h141gIt24228 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 01:42:18 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h141gIa24224 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 01:42:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18fs6M-000Jwm-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 01:42:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 01:40:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Printing problems References: <4bbf15e59acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <4bbf312281chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Tim Powys-Lybbe > Starting with a blank document- PrintManager crashes Can't replicate that here - and I'm running the prints through one of R-Comp's network boxes. I found I had to kille the printers and reload some of the printer drivers after the upgrade to ROM 5.02. Then all was fine. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 4 02:26:56 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044325147:20:25739:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:26:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044325147:20:25739:59; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 02:19:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123638; 4 Feb 2003 2:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18fsek-0007ku-00; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 02:17:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h142HgX28530 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:17:42 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h142Hg228526 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:17:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18fseb-000N0q-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 02:17:42 +0000 Message-ID: <0qDZKzAsJyP+Ew8K@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:16:12 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Printing problems References: <4bbf15e59acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <4bbf312281chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I'll perhaps give Sprinter a go later on. Printing to ArcFax appears to be fine, so I don't think there's something fundamentally wrong with Iyonix printing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 4 18:10:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044381943:10:18836:129".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:10:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044381943:10:18836:129; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:05:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1019669; 4 Feb 2003 18:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18g7Qv-00062k-00; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:04:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h14I40W08145 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:04:00 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h14I3xt08140 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:04:00 GMT Received: from [62.188.136.146] (helo=62.188.136.146) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18g7QI-0000CC-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:03:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:01:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: [iyonix-support] Printing problems Message-ID: <4bbf6d6e37charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0qDZKzAsJyP+Ew8K@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4bbf15e59acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <4bbf312281chris@bulldog.u-net.com> <0qDZKzAsJyP+Ew8K@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <0qDZKzAsJyP+Ew8K@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I'll perhaps give Sprinter a go later on. > Printing to ArcFax appears to be fine, so I don't think there's > something fundamentally wrong with Iyonix printing. I've subsequently discovered that the problem only arises if !Printers is loaded in the Boot sequence. It appears to work normally if I load it on the desktop. To me that says "Iyonix problem", but why the difference between OvPro & DPlngScan when printing? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 6 21:27:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044566613:10:24096:92".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:27:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044566613:10:24096:92; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:23:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118654; 6 Feb 2003 21:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18gtUH-0001kg-00; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:23:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h16LMdU06265 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:22:39 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h16LMdB06262 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:22:39 GMT Received: from [213.116.50.229] (helo=213.116.50.229) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18gtTg-0002DF-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:22:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 18:25:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OP: styles Message-ID: <4bc01f7422charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I thought that if I had some text with a style selected, I could deselect the style as well - if I changed my mind, for instance. I no longer seem to be able to do so. Is it my imagination or something else. -- Using a RISC PC with RISC OS4 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 7 23:12:15 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044659440:20:00555:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:12:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044659440:20:00555:52; Fri, 07 Feb 2003 23:10:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000685; 7 Feb 2003 23:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18hHdQ-0003vj-00; Fri, 07 Feb 2003 23:10:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h17N9Yn08542 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:09:34 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h17N9Xp08538 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:09:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18hHcj-0006NJ-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 07 Feb 2003 23:09:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:08:25 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: styles References: <4bc01f7422charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bc01f7422charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I thought that if I had some text with a style selected, I could deselect >the style as well - if I changed my mind, for instance. I no longer seem >to be able to do so. Is it my imagination or something else. No that should work, select a word and the style menu toggles a style on/off, or you can use remove on that menu. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 8 14:24:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044713988:10:18664:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:24:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044713988:10:18664:72; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 14:19:48 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111519; 8 Feb 2003 14:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18hVpK-00038b-00; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 14:19:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h18EJ2428081 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:19:02 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h18EJ1d28076 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:19:01 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030208141900.DDCP4529.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:19:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:19:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: styles To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Fri 07 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >I thought that if I had some text with a style selected, I could deselect > >the style as well - if I changed my mind, for instance. I no longer seem > >to be able to do so. Is it my imagination or something else. > > No that should work, select a word and the style menu toggles a style > on/off, or you can use remove on that menu. Presumably dependant on the scope of the style, if it is paragraph you don't need to select aything just put the cursor in the paragraph - and you can never remove the Body Text style. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 11 18:12:53 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044895419:10:27365:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:12:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044895419:10:27365:66; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:43:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id au1026599; 10 Feb 2003 16:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18iGqq-0007bp-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:32:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1AGVcr08933 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:31:38 GMT Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1AGVbo08928 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:31:37 GMT Received: from tnt-1-111.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.111] helo=localhost) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18iGqG-000EUh-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:31:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:27:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS from command line Message-ID: <4bc2a7db98Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.01 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist If I drag a 'Data' (type &FFD) file with shift held down to the SparkFS icon bar icon I'm offered a choice of file formats to save (e.g. Mime or UUEncode). Is it possible to do this from the command line? I'm trying to create an attachment for an automatic email. TIA, Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ian.hamilton/ (Iyonix 128MB RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 11 18:13:01 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044952718:10:07754:81".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:13:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044952718:10:07754:81; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:38:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006890; 11 Feb 2003 8:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18iVvD-0007OD-00; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:37:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1B8bMP23429 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:37:22 GMT Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1B8bLW23423 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:37:21 GMT Received: from tnt-1-188.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.188] helo=localhost) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18iVuq-000J6v-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:37:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:18:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS from command line Message-ID: <4bc2feebe2Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <5080c5c24b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4bc2a7db98Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <5080c5c24b.philip@philipnet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.01 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <5080c5c24b.philip@philipnet.com>, Philip Ludlam wrote: > On 10 Feb, in message <4bc2a7db98Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> Ian Hamilton > wrote: > >If I drag a 'Data' (type &FFD) file with shift held down to the > >SparkFS icon bar icon I'm offered a choice of file formats to save > >(e.g. Mime or UUEncode). Is it possible to do this from the command > >line? I'm trying to create an attachment for an automatic email. > It looks like *SparkFSConvert will do what you want. I had already tried that but it only seems to cope with archives rather than single files. Thanks anyway, Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ian.hamilton/ (Iyonix 128MB RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 11 18:13:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044791155:20:08793:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:13:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044791155:20:08793:40; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 11:45:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008313; 9 Feb 2003 11:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18hptV-00057u-00; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 11:45:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h19Bida16975 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 11:44:39 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h19Bidj16972 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 11:44:39 GMT Received: from [62.188.139.109] (helo=62.188.139.109) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18hpso-0000tr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 11:44:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 22:36:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: styles Message-ID: <4bc1c1f242charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bc01f7422charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I thought that if I had some text with a style selected, I could > >deselect the style as well - if I changed my mind, for instance. I no > >longer seem to be able to do so. Is it my imagination or something > >else. > No that should work, select a word and the style menu toggles a style > on/off, or you can use remove on that menu. Interestingly, the problem has gone away today. Perhaps there was a clash with another application that caused the fault? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 11 18:13:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1044913968:20:21532:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:13:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1044913968:20:21532:61; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:52:48 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115249; 10 Feb 2003 21:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18iLqf-0004mn-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:52:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1ALpuk06417 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:51:56 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1ALptr06414 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:51:56 GMT Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.188.122]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030210215150.HUWX22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:51:50 +0000 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BB82C883 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:51:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 10 Feb 2003 21:51:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:51:45 GMT From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS from command line Message-ID: <5080c5c24b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4bc2a7db98Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4bc2a7db98Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 10 Feb, in message <4bc2a7db98Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> Ian Hamilton wrote: >If I drag a 'Data' (type &FFD) file with shift held down to the SparkFS >icon bar icon I'm offered a choice of file formats to save (e.g. Mime or >UUEncode). Is it possible to do this from the command line? I'm trying to >create an attachment for an automatic email. It looks like *SparkFSConvert will do what you want. *help sparkfsconvert ==> Help on keyword SparkFSConvert *SparkFSConvert converts one archive into another Syntax: *SparkFSConvert Yours, Phil L. -- http://www.philipnet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 12 04:12:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045022931:20:05429:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 04:12:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045022931:20:05429:41; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 04:08:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103580; 12 Feb 2003 4:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ioBw-0007m4-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 04:08:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1C47jE16615 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 04:07:45 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1C47in16612 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 04:07:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18ioBU-0007Fo-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 04:07:44 +0000 Message-ID: <2HkJxaOEhcS+Ew3+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 04:06:28 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS from command line References: <4bc2a7db98Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4bc2a7db98Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >If I drag a 'Data' (type &FFD) file with shift held down to the SparkFS >icon bar icon I'm offered a choice of file formats to save (e.g. Mime or >UUEncode). Is it possible to do this from the command line? I'm trying to >create an attachment for an automatic email. No, you can't do it from the command line. The binary to ASCII conversions are done by the SparkFS front end application. Other things are done by the SparkFS modules, so almost always can be done by *command. Guess you have to get yourself a command line uucoder or whatever. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 12 14:11:29 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045039574:20:02240:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:11:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045039574:20:02240:65; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:46:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117065; 12 Feb 2003 8:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18isVM-0002PD-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:44:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1C8iDe13559 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:44:13 GMT Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1C8iCe13556 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:44:12 GMT Received: from tnt-5-217.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.217] helo=localhost) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18isV1-00040q-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:44:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:42:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS from command line Message-ID: <4bc37f634bIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <2HkJxaOEhcS+Ew3+@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4bc2a7db98Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <2HkJxaOEhcS+Ew3+@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.01 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <2HkJxaOEhcS+Ew3+@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >If I drag a 'Data' (type &FFD) file with shift held down to the > >SparkFS icon bar icon I'm offered a choice of file formats to save > >(e.g. Mime or UUEncode). Is it possible to do this from the command > >line? I'm trying to create an attachment for an automatic email. > No, you can't do it from the command line. The binary to ASCII > conversions are done by the SparkFS front end application. Other things > are done by the SparkFS modules, so almost always can be done by > *command. > Guess you have to get yourself a command line uucoder or whatever. You don't happen to know of a 32bitted one do you? It was while searching for one that I realised SparkFS had the capability and might be suitable. I've been using TypeTrans but I don't think that will be updated. Thanks, Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ian.hamilton/ (Iyonix 128MB RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 13 23:09:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045177711:20:10649:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:09:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045177711:20:10649:56; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:08:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120114; 13 Feb 2003 23:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18jSSg-0001yA-00; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:08:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1DN7gB30926 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:07:42 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1DN7gP30921 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:07:42 GMT Received: from [62.188.143.51] (helo=62.188.143.51) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #3) id 18jSSA-0002y7-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:07:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:10:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: styles Message-ID: <4bc44d2fd8charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bc01f7422charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id h1DN7gP30924 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I thought that if I had some text with a style selected, I could deselect > >the style as well - if I changed my mind, for instance. I no longer seem > >to be able to do so. Is it my imagination or something else. > No that should work, select a word and the style menu toggles a style > on/off, or you can use remove on that menu. Further to this, I have discovered a bit more. Sometimes when using OvPro I have been getting "Application has gone wrong...". When I click on quit I lose all the iconised applets, such as page pallette, style, nudge, etc. This is when styles refuse to to cancel, even when directly accessing Style from Menu. When this happens I haven't yet worked out, but it might be connected to using a photo (jpg) in the backdropof th pinboard. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 14 15:01:40 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045234735:20:09025:312".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:01:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045234735:20:09025:312; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:58:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al2115732; 14 Feb 2003 14:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18jg4d-0001gE-00; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:40:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1EDdlg06458 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:39:47 GMT Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1EDdkL06451 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:39:46 GMT Received: from tnt-13-213.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.213] helo=localhost) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18jg49-0004Jv-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:39:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:56:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Applets manager Message-ID: <4bc4a3d62fIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.01d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Is there a 32bit compatible version of the applets manager program? Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ian.hamilton/ (Iyonix 128MB RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 14 16:41:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045240753:20:17797:434".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:41:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045240753:20:17797:434; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:39:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aw2017531; 14 Feb 2003 16:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18jiYm-00053x-00; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:19:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1EGIw216344 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:18:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1EGIvA16339 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:18:58 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18jiYD-0003yA-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:18:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:17:22 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Applets manager References: <4bc4a3d62fIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4bc4a3d62fIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Is there a 32bit compatible version of the applets manager program? No. There are 2 things which I don't have a 32 bit version of because I don't have the C source code for them. The applets manager and the RTF importer. Both were written by Rob Clark for Beebug, and despite my efforts I've been unable to trace him - odd you might think in this day and age. Since I need an RTF importer for the Win version of OP it seems that writing a new one from scratch would be the easiest thing. David Ruck has just told me how to go about converting the object code direct to 32 bits, I might do that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 18 19:16:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045340347:10:00603:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:16:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045340347:10:00603:50; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:19:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000133; 15 Feb 2003 20:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18k8lZ-0001PJ-00; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:18:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1FKHvW23330 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:17:57 GMT Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1FKHtv23315 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:17:57 GMT Received: from modem-1142.stoked.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.197.118] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18k8kz-00079v-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:17:54 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:17:55 GMT From: Alex Cessford Message-ID: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Throwbacks, still MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I'm still getting these StrongEd provided Throwback reports every time I load OP. I'm using a Kinetic RPC RO 4.03. I've just used version 2.64, loaded directly, (rather than via loading a file), and got Processing complaints about: !OvnPro.Applets.!Ovation1.Library.!MenuLib 3 S Multiple definition and !OvnPro.Applets.!Ovation1.Library.PSsupport 4 S Multiple definition Next I tried loading version 2.70. This threw a throwback list of about a dozen complaints. All of them ended their complaint by pointing to the same two sources, MenuLib and PSsupport, but the applets doing the complaining were Arrange, ColSupp, Grabber, Fill, OCharges, OEPS, OPCA, Ovation1 and Today. I don't claim to use all these applets all the time, so I guess that I could remove them, but I just like to have them available in case, and anyway removal didn't ought to be the solution, surely? Oh! Now I've just tried versions 2.67, 2.66 and 2.65 and all of them loaded with no errors of any kind! I've haven't tried it, but knowing my luck, I bet if I power off and on again, and then try these ok versions they will suddenly start 'throwing up' if you'll forgive the poor joke! Help appreciated, please. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 18 19:16:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045561485:20:12279:100".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:16:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045561485:20:12279:100; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:44:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125696; 18 Feb 2003 9:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18l4Ax-0001HO-00; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:36:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1I9a1320358 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:36:01 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1I9a0M20354 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:36:01 GMT Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18l4AS-0001Vi-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:36:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:35:55 GMT From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <6ad2a0c64b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id h1I9a1M20355 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Sorry to bring it up again but how is progress on this ? The schoolin which I work is about to replace all office/dept. Acorns with (Windows 2000) PCs and we have a legacy of Impression docs. Out of curiosity I tried converting an A5 booklet from Impression to Word then MS Publisher format and... 1. neither is easy to use nor feels right for this sort of thing (OK for full page A4 stuff). 2. It takes a long time Hence a Windows version of OvationPro would be very handy (we do have site-licensed Acorn version). Any news ? (ATM I'm downloading Quark demo because last time I looked it worked in a familiar way but that would be a silly price.) -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 18 19:18:10 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045576300:20:20424:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:18:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045576300:20:20424:39; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:51:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100716; 18 Feb 2003 13:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18l88W-0006GX-00; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:50:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1IDnnB02296 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:49:49 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1IDnmj02286 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:49:48 GMT Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18l884-0000dn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:49:48 +0100 Received: from [172.196.213.239] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18l883-0004O3-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:49:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:50:11 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks, still Message-ID: References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > Sorry to reply to my own posting, but I *have* now tried 2.67, 2.66 > and 2.65 after a power-off, (after an day-off actually!), and all of > them complain about file RmStore.ImageExtnd not being recognised, with > first to be tried, (2.67), producing a throwback concerning > !OArtWrks.Library.Quality and complaining of Unknown identifier > awsetwsiwyg The error message about awsetwysiwyg is the result of the ArtWorks applet not being initialised properly, which again is the result of the error about ImageExtnd you described above. Funnily, looking at the code of the ArtWorks applet I have, I cannot see how such an error could possibly be generated. By the way, I guess the error really reads ".RmStore.ImageExtnd not recognised" (note the dot before "RmStore", doesn't it? The error you see indicates that the applet's !Install script tries to load .RmStore.ImageExtnd while the CCShared$Dir system variable is not set up. This variable not being set up is not an error, it is rather usual, even if you have the !CCShared directory installed in !System, which you are not at all required to have. Could you please post the lines in !OvnPro.Applets.!OArtWrks.!Install that refer to ImageExtnd? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 18 19:18:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045423712:20:00267:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:18:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045423712:20:00267:49; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:28:32 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111926; 16 Feb 2003 19:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18kUSa-00023O-00; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:28:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1GJRse11791 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:27:54 GMT Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1GJRru11786 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:27:53 GMT Received: from modem-344.blastoise.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.43.88] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18kUS8-0003g8-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:27:52 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:28:00 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks, still Message-ID: <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > Oh! > Now I've just tried versions 2.67, 2.66 and 2.65 and all of them > loaded with no errors of any kind! I've haven't tried it, but knowing > my luck, I bet if I power off and on again, and then try these ok > versions they will suddenly start 'throwing up' if you'll forgive the > poor joke! Sorry to reply to my own posting, but I *have* now tried 2.67, 2.66 and 2.65 after a power-off, (after an day-off actually!), and all of them complain about file RmStore.ImageExtnd not being recognised, with first to be tried, (2.67), producing a throwback concerning !OArtWrks.Library.Quality and complaining of Unknown identifier awsetwsiwyg I know what awsetwsiwyg means, but don't know how to deal with it other than by removing the OArtWrks applet, which, as I said before, doesn't seem to be the best way of dealing with it. Ideas? -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 18 22:36:48 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045606975:10:03910:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:36:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045606975:10:03910:60; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:22:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100292; 18 Feb 2003 22:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lG7s-0002i8-00; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:22:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1IMLgq18195 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:21:42 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1IMLgK18192 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:21:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18lG7R-0001JX-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:21:41 +0000 Message-ID: <8iObYsE1GrU+EwV1@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:20:37 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks, still References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > I know what awsetwsiwyg means, but don't know how to deal with it > other than by removing the OArtWrks applet, which, as I said before, > doesn't seem to be the best way of dealing with it. > Ideas? Decide if ArtWorks files matter to you? If they don't, then either install ArtWorks, or the ArtWorks viewer - put the latter inside !Boot with !Fonts etc. or at least somewhere will it will be seen by RISC OS before you run OP. If AW files don't matter to you, delete the applet. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 18 22:56:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045608818:10:00496:262".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:56:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045608818:10:00496:262; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:53:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002689; 18 Feb 2003 22:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lGc1-0005TY-00; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:53:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1IMr8r26007 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:53:08 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1IMr8P26001 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:53:08 GMT Received: from modem-741.rickt.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.186.229] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.10.11) id 18lGbp-00016l-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:53:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:52:13 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - ImageExtnd Message-ID: <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: [snip] > The error message about awsetwysiwyg is the result of the ArtWorks applet > not being initialised properly, which again is the result of the error > about ImageExtnd you described above. Oh, right, thanks. I'm cheerfully exposing my technical ignorance here in order to get help from anyone who offers, so thank you, (and David before I forget, he has replied separately!), for responding. > Funnily, looking at the code of the ArtWorks applet I have, I cannot see > how such an error could possibly be generated. Weird. I've no idea, of course! > By the way, I guess the > error really reads ".RmStore.ImageExtnd not recognised" (note the dot > before "RmStore", doesn't it? Oops! Yes, just checked, you're right. > Could you please post the lines in !OvnPro.Applets.!OArtWrks.!Install > that refer to ImageExtnd? Certainly, here it is, taken from OP version 2.67: MEnsure ImageExtend 0.78 Run ".IfExists" .RmStore.ImageExtnd Then RMLoad .RmStore.ImageExtnd RMEnsure ImageExtend 0.78 Run ".IfExists" ImageExtnd Then RMLoad ImageExtnd RMEnsure ImageExtend 0.78 ERROR 0 The !OArtWrks applet needs ImageExtend 0.78 or newer It will mean something to you, I'm sure. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 19 14:28:57 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045653705:10:02130:114".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:28:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045653705:10:02130:114; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:21:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003489; 19 Feb 2003 11:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lSHN-0000kV-00; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:20:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1JBKJM11178 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:20:19 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JBKI111171 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:20:18 GMT Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18lSGw-0001uZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:20:18 +0100 Received: from [172.176.17.198] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18lSGv-0003CV-01 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:20:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:20:24 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks, still Message-ID: <3b392ec74b.martin@mw-software.com> References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <8iObYsE1GrU+EwV1@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8iObYsE1GrU+EwV1@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <8iObYsE1GrU+EwV1@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > I know what awsetwsiwyg means, but don't know how to deal with it > > other than by removing the OArtWrks applet, which, as I said before, > > doesn't seem to be the best way of dealing with it. > > Ideas? > > Decide if ArtWorks files matter to you? If they don't, then either > install ArtWorks, or the ArtWorks viewer - put the latter inside !Boot > with !Fonts etc. or at least somewhere will it will be seen by RISC OS > before you run OP. This is certainly recommended, but the absence of AWViewer could still not explain the error message Alex quoted. It seems to happen in the line referencing the copy in CCShared. CCShared$Dir not being set up is a rather usual situation, even on systems with CCShared installed. >From what I can see, we need to track down what causes the error. I fear, just installing AWViewer will not help. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 19 14:28:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045654405:10:21359:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:28:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045654405:10:21359:70; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:33:25 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1105904; 19 Feb 2003 11:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lSHN-0001wu-00; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:20:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1JBKJ311175 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:20:19 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JBKIY11167 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:20:18 GMT Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18lSGv-0004gz-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:20:17 +0100 Received: from [172.176.17.198] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18lSGv-0003CV-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:20:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:16:58 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - ImageExtnd Message-ID: <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> Alex Cessford wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > > By the way, I guess the error really reads ".RmStore.ImageExtnd not > > recognised" (note the dot before "RmStore", doesn't it? > Oops! Yes, just checked, you're right. > > MEnsure ImageExtend 0.78 Run ".IfExists" .RmStore.ImageExtnd Then RMLoad .RmStore.ImageExtnd Oddly enough, the code you have posted (presuming you omitted the initial "R" by accident) cannot possibly cause such an error (presuming the IfExists utility does what it says on the tin). The IfExists utility in !OArtWrks should be 340 bytes long, type Utility, dated 15 May 1994. OK, so try the following after a power-off: Open a TaskWindow and type *show CCSh* *show ArtWorksM* What does it say? Of course, after doing this, you need to run OP to verify that the ImageExtnd error IS displayed. And, just to be absolutely sure, the error really reads "File name .RmStore.ImageExtend not recognised" (note the words "File name" at the beginning), doesn't it? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 19 14:58:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045666136:20:18616:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:58:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045666136:20:18616:62; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:48:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae2018165; 19 Feb 2003 14:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lVS5-0008Jf-00; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:44:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1JEhP507333 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:43:25 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JEhOG07329 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:43:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18lVRS-0000Fa-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:43:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:41:48 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks, still References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <8iObYsE1GrU+EwV1@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3b392ec74b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <3b392ec74b.martin@mw-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >This is certainly recommended, but the absence of AWViewer could still not >explain the error message Alex quoted. It seems to happen in the line >referencing the copy in CCShared. CCShared$Dir not being set up is a >rather usual situation, even on systems with CCShared installed. Fair enough, my reply was a reflex, common complaint, and commonly what I said is the solution. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 03:06:01 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045709795:20:00717:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 03:06:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045709795:20:00717:56; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:56:35 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000326; 20 Feb 2003 2:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lgsM-0007vw-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:55:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1K2tTI03764 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:55:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1K2tTW03761 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:55:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18lgrw-0005q7-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:55:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:54:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <6ad2a0c64b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6ad2a0c64b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Sorry to bring it up again but how is progress on this ? Not too bad. I'm on the brink of making a Win version of OP generally available from my web site. However fixing the last few issues with W95/98/ME will take another day or two. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 13:26:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045722524:10:28264:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:26:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045722524:10:28264:39; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:28:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027502; 20 Feb 2003 6:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lkBe-00056O-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:28:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1K6RUN24567 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:27:30 GMT Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1K6RUi24564 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:27:30 GMT Received: from modem-3543.crocodile.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.78.45.215] helo=westonontrent.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18lkB5-0003oG-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:27:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry T To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:26:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bc7972833Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <6ad2a0c64b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Sorry to bring it up again but how is progress on this ? > Not too bad. I'm on the brink of making a Win version of OP > generally available from my web site. > However fixing the last few issues with W95/98/ME will take > another day or two. Is it going to function with Windows XP Pro/Home too? -- Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 13:26:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045722593:10:29945:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:26:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045722593:10:29945:53; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:29:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029351; 20 Feb 2003 6:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lkCu-0005I5-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:29:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1K6TJG24723 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:29:19 GMT Received: from web10002.mail.yahoo.com (web10002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.38]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1K6TIU24719 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:29:19 GMT Message-ID: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.11.48.37] by web10002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:29:17 PST Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:29:17 -0800 (PST) From: gary hughes Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi --- David Pilling wrote: > ... > Not too bad. I'm on the brink of making a Win > version of OP generally > available from my web site. > > However fixing the last few issues with W95/98/ME > will take another day > or two. > ... When it comes to using software at work (Win 2000), I've found that any software that tries to modify contents in the system or program folders can't be installed. Self-contained programs (eg Kmeleon, Amaya etc) seem to be more self-contained and run OK. Hopefully OP will be the latter type. bye Gary __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 13:56:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045748767:10:29422:71".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:56:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045748767:10:29422:71; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:46:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aw1028804; 20 Feb 2003 13:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lqw0-00079y-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:40:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KDeGa24758 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:40:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KDeGW24755 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:40:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18lqvv-0002Rt-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:40:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:38:54 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >When it comes to using software at work (Win 2000), >I've found that any software that tries to modify >contents in the system or program folders can't be >installed. Self-contained programs (eg Kmeleon, Amaya >etc) seem to be more self-contained and run OK. >Hopefully OP will be the latter type. I don't like programs that splatter files around Windows. So nothing in the system folder. Nothing that Amaya doesn't do, but in my experience that does create a folder in "Program Files". As I see it, a proper Windows program has to do certain things like write registry keys or put short cuts in the user profile. It's a pity it isn't like RISC OS (used to be) where a folder on disc contained 100% of everything to do with a program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 14:25:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045750700:10:22754:217".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:25:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045750700:10:22754:217; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:18:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ai1126500; 20 Feb 2003 14:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lqsb-0006cv-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:36:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KDaIC23675 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:36:18 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KDaHN23671 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:36:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18lqs3-0005IA-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:36:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:34:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <6ad2a0c64b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4bc7972833Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bc7972833Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Is it going to function with Windows XP Pro/Home too? Yes! I've done all the work using NT/XP. So my problems are getting it to work on the old W9X kernel. Last time this came up, people moaned about "why should we have to buy a new OS" because I was saying at the time it wouldn't work on W9X. I've thought of a reason, much of the trouble is that W9X only has a graphics resolution of 16 bits - compared to the 32 bit on XP or (most of) RISC OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 17:25:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045761744:10:21890:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:25:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045761744:10:21890:68; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:22:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118812; 20 Feb 2003 17:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18luAG-00059v-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:07:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KH6j827674 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:06:45 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KH6jO27669 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:06:45 GMT Received: from du-069-1267.access.clara.net ([217.158.179.250] helo=QCS) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18lu9k-000HnX-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:06:44 +0000 Message-ID: <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:06:28 -0000 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi David, Eagerly waiting OP for Win 8-)) I know that I have asked for this before; but have you implemented proper drag-n-drop for *Saving*? Or at least have this method as a configurable option. - My biggest hate of Win is having to navigate to a folder when it is already open on the desktop !! Best regards Gavin -- Gavin Dewar Quercus Computer Systems gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 18:05:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045763887:20:03205:144".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:05:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045763887:20:03205:144; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:58:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag2100848; 20 Feb 2003 17:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18luei-0005c0-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:38:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KHcdb06175 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:38:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KHcdX06169 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:38:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18luec-000NEH-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:38:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:37:12 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> In-Reply-To: <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I know that I have asked for this before; >but have you implemented proper drag-n-drop >for *Saving*? No. I've not had time yet. The current XP/NT/2K only version is at www.davidpilling.net/ovnpro.exe In future I'll keep putting the latest version there. As I said, in a short while I'll replace it with a version that works on W 9X too, and I'll let you know when I do that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 19:15:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045768303:20:09394:97".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:15:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045768303:20:09394:97; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:11:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2010063; 20 Feb 2003 19:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lvzg-0005i9-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:04:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KJ3XT03789 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:03:33 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KJ3X003770 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:03:33 GMT Received: from david ([62.31.235.67]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:03:06 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> From: "David Woodman" To: References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:03:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I am delighted that something has been posted on the web. Unfortunately, however, the program installs but crashes when I attempt to run it The Microsoft Development Environment debugger displays this... Unhandled exception at 0x004333c9 in OvnPro.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0x00000004. I am using Windows XP Professional David Woodman ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version > >I know that I have asked for this before; > >but have you implemented proper drag-n-drop > >for *Saving*? > > No. I've not had time yet. > > The current XP/NT/2K only version is at > > www.davidpilling.net/ovnpro.exe > > In future I'll keep putting the latest version there. As I said, in a > short while I'll replace it with a version that works on W 9X too, and > I'll let you know when I do that. > > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From john@xl-cambridge.com Thu Feb 20 19:45:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045770177:10:29091:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:45:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045770177:10:29091:58; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:42:57 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.45]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129016; 20 Feb 2003 19:42 GMT Received: from riscpc.at.home ([81.96.72.186]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030220194159.DYFE2341.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:41:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:41:48 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You wrote: > The current XP/NT/2K only version is at > > www.davidpilling.net/ovnpro.exe > > In future I'll keep putting the latest version there. As I said, in a > short while I'll replace it with a version that works on W 9X too, and > I'll let you know when I do that. By the way, David, once you hve W9x versions, I'll test it for you on my setup, which should prove interesting - I don't use Windows any more, but use Linux instead. For the Windows apps I need (including MS Office), I use Crossover Office (a commercial Wine setup). It works for many things, so let's hope I can get OPro working, and you'll be able to have an extra OS for free :-) John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you! From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 19:45:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045770216:20:22926:120".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:45:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045770216:20:22926:120; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:43:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aj2121944; 20 Feb 2003 19:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lwNl-0000V3-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:29:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KJTIc08908 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:29:18 GMT Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KJTHJ08903 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:29:17 GMT Received: from host217-35-152-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.152.127] helo=brunel) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 18lwNg-00020K-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:29:16 +0000 From: "Malcolm Knight" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:28:46 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > I am delighted that something has been posted on the web. > > Unfortunately, however, the program installs but crashes when I attempt to > run it > The Microsoft Development Environment debugger displays this... > > Unhandled exception at 0x004333c9 in OvnPro.exe: 0xC0000005: Access > violation reading location 0x00000004. > > I am using Windows XP Professional It is OK on my Win2000 Professional fortunately (Dual PII 450MHz 512MB RAM). I've loaded some simple RISCOS Opro and Impression documents, no problems so far. Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 19:45:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045770198:20:23642:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:45:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045770198:20:23642:59; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:43:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120725; 20 Feb 2003 19:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lwaU-0003T4-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:42:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KJgSO11739 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:42:28 GMT Received: from mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-3.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.233]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KJgR711734 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:42:27 GMT Received: from mel-rta7.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.61) by mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E0C33B5023688C2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:42:22 +0100 Received: from habett (193.252.172.82) by mel-rta7.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E5335B10013E951 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:42:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:40:54 +0100 From: stephane HAbeTT roux To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: RE: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <78e1dfc74b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Islam Inc, canal anti.historique User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.04-pre5 X-Peer2Peer-Protocol: Dummies to dummies X-Priority: 911 X-URL: http://habett.org/ X-Accept-Language: en, fr, perl, de X-Hello-Kitty: meow meow. Keywords: nihilism, random, chaos Location: Paris, right bank, westside MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > It is OK on my Win2000 Professional fortunately (Dual PII 450MHz 512MB > RAM). I've loaded some simple RISCOS Opro and Impression documents, no > problems so far. fine with Win2K here too but when you enlarge the window, it takes over the menu bar at the bottom of the screen. With my settings of having this bar always to front, it means i can't see ovation bottom icons and settings. -- |":._.:"| http://habett.org/ | (=) | habett@habett.org |::/'\::| We'll slide down the surface of things -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 19:45:48 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045770211:20:23759:135".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:45:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045770211:20:23759:135; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:43:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2121944; 20 Feb 2003 19:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lwVk-0002Cb-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:37:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KJbVH10602 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:37:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KJbUO10599 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:37:30 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18lwVe-0002vB-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:37:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:36:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> In-Reply-To: <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Unfortunately, however, the program installs but crashes when I attempt to >run it 8-( Frankly the next version is the one to go for... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 19:45:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045770213:20:24763:75".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:45:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045770213:20:24763:75; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:43:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af2120951; 20 Feb 2003 19:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lwWz-0002Zs-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:38:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KJcqo10931 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:38:52 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KJcpi10928 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:38:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18lwWx-0005zb-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:38:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:37:32 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> In-Reply-To: <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: "Peter Jennings" > The current XP/NT/2K only version is at > > www.davidpilling.net/ovnpro.exe > I couldn't resist trying my luck with this on Windows ME. It installed and opened all right but text characters were all spaced widely apart and the Shift key just produced a square character. An imported RISC OS version page caused the program to hang up. Still, it is encouraging that it's so close to the version I need. Peter. Peter Jennings jennings@aaug.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 19:55:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045770622:10:14044:97".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:55:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045770622:10:14044:97; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:50:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122313; 20 Feb 2003 19:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lwhi-00079c-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:49:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KJntI13430 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:49:55 GMT Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KJnsv13425 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:49:54 GMT Received: from host217-35-152-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.152.127] helo=brunel) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 18lwhd-0005ip-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:49:53 +0000 From: "Malcolm Knight" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:49:23 -0000 Keywords: nihilism, random, chaos Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <78e1dfc74b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > > It is OK on my Win2000 Professional fortunately (Dual PII 450MHz 512MB > > RAM). I've loaded some simple RISCOS Opro and Impression documents, no > > problems so far. > > fine with Win2K here too but when you enlarge the window, it takes over > the menu bar at the bottom of the screen. With my settings of having > this bar always to front, My W2K Task Bar stays at the front.... > it means i can't see ovation bottom icons and > settings. ... but it nevertheless obscures Opros bottom icons. (I never did get used to the pane at the bottom of Opro documents after being a long term Impression user.) Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 20:05:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045771182:20:21944:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:05:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045771182:20:21944:44; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:59:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020669; 20 Feb 2003 19:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lwpk-0005pH-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:58:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KJwDm15168 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:58:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KJwD615165 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:58:13 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18lwpg-000FAu-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:58:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:56:47 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I couldn't resist trying my luck with this on Windows ME. >apart and the Shift key just produced a square character. An imported >RISC OS version page caused the program to hang up. You'll find that the W 9X font manager easily corrupts itself, after running OP fonts start to misbehave in other programs. Displaying the character map for Arial is often interesting. The extension for OP documents is .dpd (.b27 is also accepted). What's on the web site will accept impression files .imp or .bc5 and CC DDF files (.ddf). Draw and Sprite files .drw and .spr. It comes with a complete set of graphics filters too - better than the RISC OS ones... so you may get away with dropping in TIFF's too. One major problem is that a Draw file with a missing font in will crash it. As to running on other OS's, yes it would be good if it runs on Wine (under Linux). I suspect it would do because I've not done anything particularly adventurous with the Win API. In the long run, I can see doing a .net version, and .net binaries being supported on Linux. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 20:45:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045773893:20:01880:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:45:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045773893:20:01880:50; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:44:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000845; 20 Feb 2003 20:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lxXV-0006XK-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:43:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KKguV24024 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:42:56 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KKguW24021 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:42:56 GMT Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18lxWx-000JTO-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:42:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:42:50 GMT From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <238de5c74b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > The extension for OP documents is .dpd (.b27 is also accepted). What's > on the web site will accept impression files .imp or .bc5 and CC DDF > files (.ddf). Draw and Sprite files .drw and .spr. It comes with a > complete set of graphics filters too - better than the RISC OS ones... > so you may get away with dropping in TIFF's too. A very little, but important, requestette, can you also make it happy loading the ",b27" file extensions as used by Lanman98/NFS/LanmanFS2. This means no need to muck about with names of files on Windows network/server. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 20:55:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045774102:10:15494:100".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:55:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045774102:10:15494:100; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:48:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015884; 20 Feb 2003 20:48 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lxbV-0005tY-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:47:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KKlXH24844 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:47:34 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KKlXp24841 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:47:33 GMT Received: from [62.64.203.188] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18lxbN-000MLM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:47:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:17:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bc7e33d53dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> User-Agent: Pluto/3.01g (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david>, David Woodman wrote: > I am delighted that something has been posted on the web. > Unfortunately, however, the program installs but crashes when I attempt > to run it The Microsoft Development Environment debugger displays this... > Unhandled exception at 0x004333c9 in OvnPro.exe: 0xC0000005: Access > violation reading location 0x00000004. > I am using Windows XP Professional > David Woodman I'm using Win XP home on an AMD Althlon-XP machine. Installs okay and as far as I've gone with it, runs okay. Moved some of my RO OvPro pages to the PC gave them a suffix of.dpd and they whizzed into view. Few font replacements, but nothing untoward. Well done Mr P. Cool dude or what. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 21:15:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045775742:10:12041:91".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:15:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045775742:10:12041:91; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:15:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012631; 20 Feb 2003 21:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ly2M-0003Zm-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:15:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KLFKP30886 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:15:20 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KLFKs30881 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:15:20 GMT Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ly2J-000M4m-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:15:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:15:14 GMT From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <8a84e8c74b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > The current XP/NT/2K only version is at A little hint, for the time being; it seems very much happier loading a file via "File...Open" dialogue than via double click. Double click tends to generate an error "The instruction at ... referenced memory at ....". -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 21:15:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045775617:20:17935:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:15:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045775617:20:17935:57; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:13:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122935; 20 Feb 2003 21:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lxzM-000383-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:12:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KLCCY29408 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:12:12 GMT Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (ntp2c.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KLCCM29403 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:12:12 GMT Received: from mail.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18lxzH-00034W-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:12:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 24966 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2003 21:12:33 -0000 Received: from dms1.xra.le.ac.uk (HELO dms1) (143.210.40.191) by mail.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 20 Feb 2003 21:12:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:12:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton X-X-Sender: ljg@dms1 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version In-Reply-To: <4bc7e33d53dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Dave Symes wrote: > I'm using Win XP home on an AMD Althlon-XP machine. > > Installs okay and as far as I've gone with it, runs okay. I've jsut been having a play and it seems to work fine here too (Athlon XP, WinXP Pro Corp). It's rather strange seeing a familiar RO app running natively in Windows, RISC OS-y icons and adjust-selections and all... > Well done Mr P. Cool dude or what. Yep, totally k3wl ;-) -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 20 22:35:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045780162:20:19532:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:35:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045780162:20:19532:55; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:29:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101681; 20 Feb 2003 22:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18lzBJ-0008Rq-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:28:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KMSAx11577 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:28:10 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0011.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.14]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KMS7X11565 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:28:09 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with SMTP id h1KMSKP5020364 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:28:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:24:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bc7eeda51ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david>, David Woodman wrote: > I am delighted that something has been posted on the web. > Unfortunately, however, the program installs but crashes when I attempt > to run it The Microsoft Development Environment debugger displays > this... > Unhandled exception at 0x004333c9 in OvnPro.exe: 0xC0000005: Access > violation reading location 0x00000004. > I am using Windows XP Professional It doesn't work at all here with XP Home. I installed it, but clicking on OvationPro icon gives an error box 'caused an error in OvnPro.exe' and offers to send a report to M$. :-( 1 GHz Celeron Pavilion laptop with S3 32MB video and XP Home. Mind you, OP for RISC OS works fine with Virtual Acorn :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 13:37:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045825898:20:07520:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:37:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045825898:20:07520:60; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:11:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai2104132; 21 Feb 2003 11:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mB2M-0000tN-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:08:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LB89518169 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:08:09 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LB89V18164 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:08:09 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030221110808.NDJG14341.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:08:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:08:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Anthony Hilton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Thu 20 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >From: "Peter Jennings" > > > The current XP/NT/2K only version is at > > > > www.davidpilling.net/ovnpro.exe > > > I couldn't resist trying my luck with this on Windows ME. > > It installed and opened all right but text characters were all spaced > widely apart and the Shift key just produced a square character. An > imported RISC OS version page caused the program to hang up. > > Still, it is encouraging that it's so close to the version I need. > Like Peter I had a look on WinME out of curiosity. Very impressive (or should I say it gets an ovation!?). Keenly waiting the next test version, and ultimatlely the finished version. A small point you should look at David - the help file OvnPro.chm is the help file for Trace not OvationPro (in ovnpro.exe downloaded Thursday 20 Feb 2003). Those who have got the demo on WinNT (4, 5 or 5.01 - that is NT, 2K, XP) should try *everything* and report back so David can use his steam iron to best effect. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Fri Feb 21 13:37:44 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045827723:20:00788:338".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:37:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045827723:20:00788:338; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:42:03 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.45]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2129893; 21 Feb 2003 11:41 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030221114055.QNLU2341.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:40:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:41:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Windows Software To: David Pilling Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Anthony Hilton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] With Opro for Windows handling Draw files I have just looked at Oakdraw http://www.dialsolutions.com/oakdraw.html and was pleased to be able to download a demo of a 32bit version. May I suggest that you could valuably offer at least some publicity/marketting reference to each other, perhaps even a bundle deal? (I have made similar comments to sales@dialsolutions.com). Apologies if you think these comments inappropriate. The risk that I may be talking out of turn is why I've sent this direct to you instead of to the software list. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 13:37:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045828538:20:18808:408".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:37:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045828538:20:18808:408; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:55:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101873; 21 Feb 2003 11:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mBeF-0002bG-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:47:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LBlIc29125 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:47:18 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LBlH429114 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:47:17 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030221114716.QXSG2341.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:47:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:47:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Graphics problem in Ovation Pro To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <57bb32c84b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Anthony Hilton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Fri 21 Feb, Robin Phillips wrote: > I chiefly use Ovation pro as a word-processor, or rather DTP, as I print > pamphlets from it and generally am very pleased. > > However, I have recently needed to import some graphics into a pamphlet, > and ran into trouble. I have several JPEGs, which have been put through > ChangeFSI. I can drag a JPEG into a blank OvPro page, and save it. I can > introduce text to the page, and save that. But every time I try to print > it the whole system freezes, and I have to resort to the ReSet button at > the back of the RISC-PC. > > When I drag one of these JPEGs onto the Paint icon, and then save a sprite > from it, all goes well. But in the Ovation Pro release notes of 20/5/97 > p.13 tells me that I should be able to load JPEGs direct into ovation Pro > provided the TransFSI filter has been seen. > > Can you advise me what I am doing wrong? Also can anyone tell me what > error is occurring when the computer freezes during this? Obviously I > cannot tell what is wrong, as I have to reset and no error message has > displayed. Which version of Opro? Which version of RISC OS? This sounds like the problem introduced by a change in OS behaviour with 4.33 (I think it was) which David corrected for with the Opro 2.67a patch, and obviously later versions. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 13:37:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045832144:20:23412:484".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:37:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045832144:20:23412:484; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:55:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ak2108810; 21 Feb 2003 12:48 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mCRu-0004ws-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:38:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LCcbi12011 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:38:37 GMT Received: from web10004.mail.yahoo.com (web10004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.40]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1LCcaS11996 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:38:36 GMT Message-ID: <20030221123835.78314.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.11.48.37] by web10004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 04:38:35 PST Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 04:38:35 -0800 (PST) From: gary hughes Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <6a1e39c84b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi --- Tony van der Hoff wrote: > ... > Do you have any plans/proposals/suggestions on how > to overcome > incompatibility between RISC OS Fonts, and win > fonts? > ... Try fonts.iconbar.com - one way of addressing this problem is to at least have some of the more common PC fonts in RISC OS versions. bye Gary __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 13:37:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045832911:20:16660:235".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:37:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045832911:20:16660:235; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:08:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag2115563; 21 Feb 2003 13:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mBzc-0000Qz-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:09:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LC8kA02907 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:08:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LC8j502900 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:08:45 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18mByv-0003nK-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:08:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:55:37 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <6a1e39c84b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 20 Feb 2003, in message , David Pilling wrote: > > The current XP/NT/2K only version is at > > www.davidpilling.net/ovnpro.exe > FWIW, under NT4 SP6a, File -> open; Select existing file text,b27 crashes the program. Rename the file to text.dpd, and it loads OK. It's rather good, though :-) Do you have any plans/proposals/suggestions on how to overcome incompatibility between RISC OS Fonts, and win fonts? -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 13:37:50 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045811291:10:02631:235".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:37:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045811291:10:02631:235; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:08:11 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121512; 21 Feb 2003 7:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18m7Hl-0005As-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:07:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1L77MD04527 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:07:22 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1L77Lb04524 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:07:21 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18m7HE-000Apy-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:07:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 03:24:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4bc7eeda51ray@raydawson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist To briefly say on WindowsXP Pro I have transferred across our parish magazine template, an A5 pamphlet. I have font substitution issues to work on - but, Wow! Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 13:37:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045826133:10:20909:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:37:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045826133:10:20909:52; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:15:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1109930; 21 Feb 2003 11:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mAnm-0005ZI-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:53:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LAqht13778 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:52:43 GMT Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LAqgS13769 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:52:42 GMT Received: from modem-32.antimony.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.42.32] helo=localhost) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18mAnH-0006eY-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:52:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:45:51 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Graphics problem in Ovation Pro Message-ID: <57bb32c84b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I chiefly use Ovation pro as a word-processor, or rather DTP, as I print pamphlets from it and generally am very pleased. However, I have recently needed to import some graphics into a pamphlet, and ran into trouble. I have several JPEGs, which have been put through ChangeFSI. I can drag a JPEG into a blank OvPro page, and save it. I can introduce text to the page, and save that. But every time I try to print it the whole system freezes, and I have to resort to the ReSet button at the back of the RISC-PC. When I drag one of these JPEGs onto the Paint icon, and then save a sprite from it, all goes well. But in the Ovation Pro release notes of 20/5/97 p.13 tells me that I should be able to load JPEGs direct into ovation Pro provided the TransFSI filter has been seen. Can you advise me what I am doing wrong? Also can anyone tell me what error is occurring when the computer freezes during this? Obviously I cannot tell what is wrong, as I have to reset and no error message has displayed. Many thanks, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 14:07:30 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045836434:20:17211:485".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:07:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045836434:20:17211:485; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:07:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029984; 21 Feb 2003 14:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mDmb-0002CX-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:04:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LE42W06388 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:04:02 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LE41O06381 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:04:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18mDmT-0002ZE-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:04:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:02:59 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <6a1e39c84b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <20030221123835.78314.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030221123835.78314.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Ketil Kristiansen On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 20 Feb 2003, in message , > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > The current XP/NT/2K only version is at > > > > www.davidpilling.net/ovnpro.exe > > > > FWIW, under NT4 SP6a, File -> open; Select existing file text,b27 crashes the > program. Rename the file to text.dpd, and it loads OK. > > It's rather good, though :-) I can create frames just fine, but can't enter any text at all... and no menus either. W2k SP3 (US), with English, Norwegian and Japanese locales (+ input methods) installed. Haven't tried loading any existing documents as my RPC isn't connected to anything at the moment... Looks promising though :-) -K -- "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 14:07:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045836176:20:16780:344".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:07:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045836176:20:16780:344; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:02:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2128898; 21 Feb 2003 13:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mDU7-0008DM-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:45:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LDibl01050 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:44:37 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LDiad01044 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:44:36 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18mDTg-0001uw-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:44:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:43:08 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Graphics problem in Ovation Pro References: <57bb32c84b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <57bb32c84b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >introduce text to the page, and save that. But every time I try to print it >the whole system freezes, and I have to resort to the ReSet button at the >back of the RISC-PC. There are known problems with Computer Concepts printer drivers and JPEG's - that's Turbo drivers or Laser Direct. The fix for Turbos is to use OP printer choices and tick 'pre scan pass' -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 14:17:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045836464:20:21789:356".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:17:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045836464:20:21789:356; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:07:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000473; 21 Feb 2003 14:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mDoY-0002Vd-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:06:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LE63i06840 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:06:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LE62106837 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:06:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18mDoQ-0003DK-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:06:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:04:36 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <6a1e39c84b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <20030221123835.78314.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030221123835.78314.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Paul Witheridge I have just downloaded and installed the windows version of Ovation Pro on Windows XP Professional (SP1). I have several userids defined on my system - one for me, one for my wife, one for access from my RiscPC, one for visitors to use. None of these belong to the Administrators group - they either belong to "Power Users" or just to "Users". For installing software and other system admin task, I have defined another userid which does belong to "Administrators". I keep the real Administrator id in reserve in case the "software installation" id gets damaged in some way (well so perhaps I am paranoid, but it does not mean that Windows is not out to get me). When I installed Ovation Pro using this "software installation" id, the Start Menu shortcut for Ovation was created in the "Documents and Settings" folder hierarchy for that id and not the folder for "All Users". Consequently, when I logon to my own id, I have no Start Menu shortcut for Ovation. Of course, this is pretty easy to fix provided you understand the setup for "Documents and Settings" and a little bit about security, but I suggest that the "All Users" Start Menu is a better place to stick the shortcut. I am looking forward to experimenting with the application itself. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 14:27:29 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045837158:20:26897:579".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:27:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045837158:20:26897:579; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:19:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2013169; 21 Feb 2003 14:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mDcp-0007YZ-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:54:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LDs0G03528 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:54:00 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LDs0H03522 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:54:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18mDcl-00075P-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:53:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:52:31 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >2003). Those who have got the demo on WinNT (4, 5 or 5.01 - that is NT, 2K, >XP) should try *everything* and report back so David can use his steam iron >to best effect. Well yes, I would appreciate feedback, but probably on the next and later versions. The memory bug from hell appears to have appeared in the current one. I do agree there is room for some cooperation with Draw programs on Windows. Font's are an issue. Some people have conversions of all the standard Acorn fonts to Windows. That makes using Acorn documents on Windows very easy. Before long I will add font mapping to the Windows (and RISC OS) versions, that would let you create a virtual font called Homerton on Windows using a Windows font like Arial. However there is the possibility of supplying the final Windows version with bundled Windows versions of some Acorn fonts. The difficulty here is deciding which fonts. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 14:27:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045837249:10:10576:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:27:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045837249:10:10576:56; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:20:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id av1009064; 21 Feb 2003 14:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mDvj-0003E6-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:13:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LEDWP08612 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:13:32 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LEDWi08609 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:13:32 GMT Received: from [213.116.62.35] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mDvV-0006Ft-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:13:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:17:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bc7e3357asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 20 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > As I see it, a proper Windows program has to do certain things like > write registry keys or put short cuts in the user profile. It's a pity > it isn't like RISC OS (used to be) where a folder on disc contained 100% > of everything to do with a program. It can be, it's just that the typical Windows programmer follows the MS idiot guide a little too closely. BTW, writing to the user registry is usually OK as is dropping things into the *user* profile - it's things like the system registry and the "all users" profile that are restricted to people with administrator rights. More fun still when people have local admin rights and think that they should be able to change something like screen settings or screen saver only to discover that the domain policy over-rules the local policy. (Actually they just don't see anything happen, no errors no action) -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 14:37:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045837766:20:23348:181".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:37:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045837766:20:23348:181; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:29:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105321; 21 Feb 2003 14:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mE3X-0003D4-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:21:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LELZM10689 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:21:35 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LELZx10684 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:21:35 GMT Received: from riscpc.at.home ([81.96.72.186]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030221142135.TTQT3191.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:21:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:21:24 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <2b7746c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > The current XP/NT/2K only version is at > > www.davidpilling.net/ovnpro.exe OK. For a laugh, I tried installing this in Linux using Wine (specifically, the Crossover Office version). It installed OK, apparently, although there was no notification after clicking the "Continue" button to do the actual installation. However, when I tried to run it, I got this error: Title: OvationPro Contents: Path not found (FindFirstFile) (3) (\*.*) Any ideas as to how I might get around this? TiA John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 15:18:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045840171:20:13445:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:18:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045840171:20:13445:57; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:09:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ay2005784; 21 Feb 2003 15:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mEPS-0007oI-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:44:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LEiDW16430 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:44:13 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LEiCc16422 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:44:12 GMT Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18mEPM-0006MF-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:44:12 +0100 Received: from [172.184.34.27] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18mEPL-0000qr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:44:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:44:18 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <6a1e39c84b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6a1e39c84b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <6a1e39c84b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Do you have any plans/proposals/suggestions on how to overcome > incompatibility between RISC OS Fonts, and win fonts? I think the best method is to buy the EFF Typography CD2, which has Acorn and PostScript Type-1 versions of the fonts. Then, provided you have Adobe Type Manager under Windows, you can use identical fonts under RISC OS and Windows. This is not of so much help if you have loads of OP files created using other fonts, but if you mainly use EFF fonts, this is an excellent investment and thoroughly recommended. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 16:28:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045844838:10:11121:79".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:28:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045844838:10:11121:79; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:27:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117463; 21 Feb 2003 16:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mFx5-0004Ej-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:23:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LGMCr13814 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:22:12 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LGMCG13804 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:22:12 GMT Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18mFwB-0007b8-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:22:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:22:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <000501c2d912$b36a1db0$1530a8c0@david> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Thu 20 Feb, David Woodman wrote: > I am delighted that something has been posted on the web. > > Unfortunately, however, the program installs but crashes when I attempt to > run it > The Microsoft Development Environment debugger displays this... > > Unhandled exception at 0x004333c9 in OvnPro.exe: 0xC0000005: Access > violation reading location 0x00000004. > > I am using Windows XP Professional > [snip] Runs OK here on my Dell lappy with XP Pro. It's obviously work in progress though. ;-) Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 17:17:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045847451:20:29940:1898".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:17:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045847451:20:29940:1898; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:10:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag2115383; 21 Feb 2003 16:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mG7z-0006ln-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:34:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LGYKX17802 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:34:20 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LGYJ117799 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:34:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18mG7v-0004Bp-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:34:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:33:00 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <2b7746c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> In-Reply-To: <2b7746c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >(\*.*) Installation should have created a couple of keys in the registry (as above), the applets one should have the applets folder path, and the plain OvationPro\ one should point at the program folder. So I'd be inclined to see if the Applets folder exists on disc, and if so, run RegEdit and see if the key exists. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 17:27:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045848129:10:11483:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:27:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045848129:10:11483:47; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:22:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1120285; 21 Feb 2003 17:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mGfC-0007hi-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:08:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LH8a627444 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:08:36 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LH8ZE27439 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:08:35 GMT Received: from riscpc.at.home ([81.96.72.186]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030221170836.RIG4529.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:08:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:08:19 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <86bf55c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <2b7746c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > >(\*.*) > > Installation should have created a couple of keys in the registry (as > above), the applets one should have the applets folder path, and the > plain OvationPro\ one should point at the program folder. > > So I'd be inclined to see if the Applets folder exists on disc, and if > so, run RegEdit and see if the key exists. OK, having looked at the registry, it look like I might have a missing key - the closest to that one (i.e. the only one that seems to refer to OvationPro Applets) is: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\DavidPilling\OvationPro] @="C:\\Program Files\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro" "Applets"="C:\\Program Files\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro\\Applets" These seem to point to the correct locations on the windows partition. Do I need to add another key, and if so what should be it? Thx John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 18:07:29 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045850722:20:12358:1803".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:07:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045850722:20:12358:1803; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:05:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2115486; 21 Feb 2003 17:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mHJi-00042H-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:50:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LHoSJ12745 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:50:28 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LHoS312742 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:50:28 GMT Received: from [80.40.75.62] (helo=ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18mHJa-000D1c-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:50:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:48:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OT : Tiscali problem? Message-ID: <4bc8597622docmart@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Before I contact Tiscali and am abusive to them ... I and other Tiscali subscribers seem to be having a problem with newsfeed from Tiscali. Very few postings seem to reach me, and on checking them they all seem to originate from those with Tiscali or ukgateway addresses. I assume this is a problem with their news server. Sorry for posting here, but hopefully someone out there can confirm whether or not my recent postings to csa.apps and csa.misc have been visible to anyone other thant Tiscali/ukgateway users. Thanks John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 18:07:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045850507:20:19087:1410".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045850507:20:19087:1410; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:01:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128145; 21 Feb 2003 17:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mHEv-0000jA-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:45:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LHjaD11870 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:45:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LHjZ911867 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:45:35 GMT Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18mHEt-0006Us-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:45:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:44:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP - Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Thu 20 Feb, Liam Gretton wrote: [snip] > Yep, totally k3wl ;-) Aargh! Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 18:17:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045851070:20:18413:341".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:17:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045851070:20:18413:341; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:11:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2118411; 21 Feb 2003 17:57 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mHEj-0002uG-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:45:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LHir611738 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:44:53 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LHiqv11734 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:44:53 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust157.tnt15.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.124.157] with SMTP for id SAA10738 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:41:54 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001101c2d9d1$4818eae0$9d7c74d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <6a1e39c84b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:46:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Friday, February 21, 2003 3:44 PM, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <6a1e39c84b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > >> Do you have any plans/proposals/suggestions on how to overcome >> incompatibility between RISC OS Fonts, and win fonts? > > I think the best method is to buy the EFF Typography CD2, which has > Acorn and PostScript Type-1 versions of the fonts. Then, provided you > have Adobe Type Manager under Windows, you can use identical fonts > under RISC OS and Windows. As soon as Type1's are supported ... BTW: In W2K and XP, Type1's can be installed and used without Adobe Type Manager. In NT4, when you try to install Type1, NT4 converts these -with an internal Type1 to TrueType converter- to TrueTypes. With different quality. Of course, you can't have Type1's and TrueType's *with the same name* installed at the same time. But, EFF Typography CD also contains TrueTypes, but only with default ANSI Encoding, not Unicoded. The EEF Acorn fonts have EFF Latin 1 Encoding, which is not the same as Acorn Latin1. Acorn Latin1 is used by not EFF fonts and in Windows Ovation Pro. Besides that, iSV fonts have also their own iSV Latin 1 Encoding, rather similar to the EFF Latin1 Encoding. > This is not of so much help if you have loads of OP files created > using other fonts, but if you mainly use EFF fonts, this is an > excellent investment and thoroughly recommended. For the TrueType fonts, yes, as long as several characters in the rang 128..159 aren't used. Euro inclusive. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 20:57:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045860726:20:07246:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:57:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045860726:20:07246:61; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:52:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006158; 21 Feb 2003 20:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mK8K-0005Xz-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:51:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LKoTF14459 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:50:29 GMT Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LKoS914455 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:50:29 GMT Received: from modem-504.grommet.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.157.248] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18mK7h-0005xq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:50:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:48:56 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - ImageExtnd Message-ID: <19f269c84b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> you wrote: [snip] Hi again, Just to let you know that I have read this tonight - my grateful thanks for continuing to help. In a rush ATM and out all day tomorrow, so it will be Sunday before I get chance to act upon your advice and then reply - but certainly *will* try out your suggestions and reply. Thanks again, > > MEnsure ImageExtend 0.78 Run ".IfExists" .RmStore.ImageExtnd Then RMLoad .RmStore.ImageExtnd > > Oddly enough, the code you have posted (presuming you omitted the initial > "R" by accident) cannot possibly cause such an error (presuming the > IfExists utility does what it says on the tin). The IfExists utility > in !OArtWrks should be 340 bytes long, type Utility, dated 15 May 1994. > > OK, so try the following after a power-off: Open a TaskWindow and type > *show CCSh* > *show ArtWorksM* > > What does it say? Of course, after doing this, you need to run OP to > verify that the ImageExtnd error IS displayed. And, just to be absolutely > sure, the error really reads "File name .RmStore.ImageExtend not > recognised" (note the words "File name" at the beginning), doesn't it? -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 22:07:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045865047:10:24824:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:07:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045865047:10:24824:52; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:04:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024172; 21 Feb 2003 22:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mLGO-00005d-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:03:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LM2r227923 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:02:53 GMT Received: from oracle.uk.clara.net (oracle.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LM2qs27920 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:02:52 GMT Received: from du-069-0786.access.clara.net ([217.158.170.23] helo=GAVIN) by oracle.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #3) id 18mLFr-0008Su-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:02:52 +0000 Message-ID: <008301c2d9f5$02ac5ae0$8800a8c0@GAVIN> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <2b7746c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <86bf55c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:03:03 -0000 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi David This may or may not be if use to you: 8-) Same files used, one copy as .bc5, second copy as .b27 third as .dpd. All contain imbedded draw files with Acorn Fonts. Two WinXP systems, one with just the regular updates, the other with full separate SP1 update. Some files will load on both with a double click. All will load OK if File-open used, but some will crash as soon as scrolled to the draw file. Some OK if picture view switched off before scrolling, some cobinations then OK if pictures then switched on, but others not. The SP1 update is the most fussy !! Would a full table of cross effects, be any use to you? Looks very promising, thank you. Font mapping would be brilliant! Best regards Gavin -- Gavin Dewar Quercus Computer Systems gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 21 22:27:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045865930:10:18899:195".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:27:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045865930:10:18899:195; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:18:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018850; 21 Feb 2003 22:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mLUq-0002Mi-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:18:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1LMIHh30468 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:18:17 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1LMIH330465 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:18:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18mLUm-00037I-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:18:16 +0000 Message-ID: <2gj5ILJFVqV+EwtK@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:16:37 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <2b7746c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <86bf55c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <008301c2d9f5$02ac5ae0$8800a8c0@GAVIN> In-Reply-To: <008301c2d9f5$02ac5ae0$8800a8c0@GAVIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Some files will load on both with a double click. >All will load OK if File-open used, but some will >crash as soon as scrolled to the draw file. >Some OK if picture view switched off before scrolling, >some cobinations then OK if pictures then switched on, >but others not. Thanks for the feedback, for now I just want to consider what I've got. There is a certain bug if you use Draw files which use fonts not present, that's practically certain to cause a crash. I know all about that and it is fixed. The stuff with double clicking and missing menus is new to me. I've not seen that on XP Pro SP1. I need to investigate. Double clicking is not really recommended anyway because the current version of the program does not support DDE, so each time you double click a brand new copy of the program will be run. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 22 03:07:48 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045883225:20:05263:129".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 03:07:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045883225:20:05263:129; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 03:07:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004723; 22 Feb 2003 3:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mPzR-00054k-00; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 03:06:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1M35Rr31642 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 03:05:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1M35Qi31638 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 03:05:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18mPyg-0004bL-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 03:05:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 03:03:51 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <2b7746c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <86bf55c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> In-Reply-To: <86bf55c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >OK, having looked at the registry, it look like I might have a missing key - Don't think so. >[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\DavidPilling\OvationPro] >@="C:\\Program Files\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro" >"Applets"="C:\\Program Files\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro\\Applets" Those are the two correct key values. @ (or the null one) points at the program, and the value "Applets" points at the applets. Do these paths exist on disc? The double slashes are presumably a facet of the display program. Emulating Windows is interesting - which version would you emulate. W9X and NT behave in different ways for some API's - obviously my problems getting font rendering working. Going back to your problems, might be worth trying some of my simpler stuff, to see if my windows library is OK e.g. CrossStar (available from its web page). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 22 13:07:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045911910:20:16416:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:07:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045911910:20:16416:55; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:05:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015356; 22 Feb 2003 11:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mXRc-0007PL-00; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:03:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1MB3MS12051 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:03:22 GMT Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1MB3L112045 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:03:21 GMT Received: from modem-196.sulfur.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.15.196] helo=localhost) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18mXR8-0003Rg-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:03:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:03:32 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Graphics problem in Ovation Pro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Dear colleagues, I have just read Anthony Hilton's comments, and on checking I find that I am using OvationPro 2.66. The computer is as follows: Acorn RiscPC 600 series, fitted with StrongARM and RISC OS 3.70 (patch 3). 20MB RAM, 1MB VRAM 4GB hard drive 8-bit sound. 36x Acer CD-ROM drive Canon BJ-200ex printer Internal modem 14" Acorn AKF60 monitor Sorry I was imprecise about this. I should have guessed it might vary with the version in use! Best wishes, Robin. In message you wrote: > In on Fri 21 Feb, Robin Phillips wrote: .... > > When I drag one of these JPEGs onto the Paint icon, and then save a sprite > > from it, all goes well. But in the Ovation Pro release notes of 20/5/97 > > p.13 tells me that I should be able to load JPEGs direct into ovation Pro > > provided the TransFSI filter has been seen. > > > > Can you advise me what I am doing wrong? Also can anyone tell me what > > error is occurring when the computer freezes during this? Obviously I > > cannot tell what is wrong, as I have to reset and no error message has > > displayed. > > Which version of Opro? Which version of RISC OS? > > This sounds like the problem introduced by a change in OS behaviour with 4.33 > (I think it was) which David corrected for with the Opro 2.67a patch, and > obviously later versions. > > Anthony > -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 22 13:07:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045912411:20:25480:78".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:07:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045912411:20:25480:78; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:13:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117717; 22 Feb 2003 11:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mXar-00012A-00; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:13:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1MBDJq13676 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:13:19 GMT Received: from black-watch.firstnet.net.uk (onslaught.firstnet.net.uk [212.103.224.245]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1MBDES13667 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:13:14 GMT Received: (qmail 449 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2003 11:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hpbrio) (212.103.240.164) by 10.10.10.7 with SMTP; 22 Feb 2003 11:13:25 -0000 From: "Ian ODonnell" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:12:55 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c2da63$59d98400$0afea8c0@hpbrio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id h1MBDIS13674 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, I have tried downloading the Windows version of Ovation, it installs no problem but when run generates a program error "OvnPro.exe has generated errors and will be closed by Windows. You will need to restart the program." SO that's as far as I get, and I so wanted to have a play as it could be very useful for one thing I will probably buy a copy for my Printers! You don't want to bring out a Mac version do you :-) I am running windows 2K service pack 3. _ _ _ _ |_|_|_|_| Graphic Solutions for all Media |_|_|_|_| 3 Goode Croft, Tile Hill, |_|_|_|_| Coventry CV4 9RF |_|_|_|_| Tel: 024 76466416 Real Point http://www.realpoint.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: > [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net] On Behalf Of > David Pilling > Sent: 20 February 2003 17:37 > To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version > > > >I know that I have asked for this before; > >but have you implemented proper drag-n-drop > >for *Saving*? > > No. I've not had time yet. > > The current XP/NT/2K only version is at > www.davidpilling.net/ovnpro.exe In future I'll keep putting the latest version there. As I said, in a short while I'll replace it with a version that works on W 9X too, and I'll let you know when I do that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 22 13:26:56 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045919988:20:19167:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:26:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045919988:20:19167:64; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:19:48 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123802; 22 Feb 2003 13:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mZYy-0005IF-00; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:19:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1MDIwT00948 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:18:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1MDIvF00944 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:18:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18mZYP-0000m2-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:18:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:17:23 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <000001c2da63$59d98400$0afea8c0@hpbrio> In-Reply-To: <000001c2da63$59d98400$0afea8c0@hpbrio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have tried downloading the Windows version of Ovation, it installs no >problem but when run generates a program error "OvnPro.exe has generated >errors and will be closed by Windows. You will need to restart the program." I'm sorry about that. The last few days have been very illuminating - feedback from everyone etc. Probably best if you now wait for another version to appear. My best guess about the existing version is that there's some problem with memory allocation. The nature of this is may be how much memory is allocated for various items. So if you have 50 fonts it may crash, but on another machine with 55 it will run. If you really want to play, delete a few applets, colour charts or borders from inside the program folder. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 22 15:07:02 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045926132:20:21965:277".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:07:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045926132:20:21965:277; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:02:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022143; 22 Feb 2003 15:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mb9I-00005V-00; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:01:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1MF0b517783 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:00:37 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1MF0Zh17775 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:00:36 GMT Received: from riscpc.at.home ([81.96.72.186]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030222150030.NCWG4022.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:00:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:00:27 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <55e0cdc84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <2b7746c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <86bf55c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > >[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\DavidPilling\OvationPro] > >@="C:\\Program Files\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro" > >"Applets"="C:\\Program Files\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro\\Applets" > > Those are the two correct key values. @ (or the null one) points at the > program, and the value "Applets" points at the applets. > > Do these paths exist on disc? > > The double slashes are presumably a facet of the display program. This is the raw text contents of the registry files, so I assume that the double backslashes are escaped values. The paths are OK, as I said. > Emulating Windows is interesting - which version would you emulate. W9X > and NT behave in different ways for some API's - obviously my problems > getting font rendering working. FWIW, I have moved on slightly - I found that the keys were present in the global registries, but hadn't been inserted into my user's registries. Copying the global files across meant that, instead of getting this error, I got a simple "Terminated" after a couple of second. So it totally fails ATM under wine. However, wine does emulate Win98, so perhaps later versions will have more luck. Thanks, John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:48:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046005819:20:08150:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046005819:20:08150:46; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:10:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007906; 23 Feb 2003 13:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mvsw-0007YH-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:09:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1ND8vr02373 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:08:57 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1ND8vo02369 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:08:57 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030223130856.ITEX14341.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:08:56 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:58:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing Books To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sun 23 Feb, Mike Williams wrote: > on 23/2/03 10:13 am, Ian ODonnell wrote: > > > Just a quick question, is there any way to automate the process when > > printing a booklet of splitting it into smaller sections ready for > > binding when printing it, say groups of 16 pages which can then be folded > > and stapled and then put together with the next group of 16 pages? > > > > Any suggestions? I'm sure I read about it somewhere but now can't find it > > :-( > > > > Ian > > Just work out the appropriate page ranges required, if I understand you > correctly. Doesn't one of the applets (probably !imposit) have the option to specify number of pages per section and print the whole lot in appropriate chunks? Or am I dreaming. Have woken up now and checked - !Imposit has a Booklet option which puts 4 pages per side of the sheet to give 8-page sections (with a half-section option for 12, 20... etc documents). Not quite what Ian requested, so it is back to Mike's suggestion of simply printing the relevant 16 pages each print run. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:48:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046018103:20:20947:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046018103:20:20947:42; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:35:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020822; 23 Feb 2003 16:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mz5O-0006gp-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:34:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1NGXdH32328 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:33:39 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1NGXdQ32324 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:33:39 GMT Received: from [62.64.237.43] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18mz5m-000AaE-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:35:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:17:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Q Message-ID: <4bc958c22fdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02c (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I've been meaning to ask about this for ages but forgot, until it happened again today. Specifically: I have a graphic, it needs to be displayed at 35% I create a frame roughly the size I need in an OvPro document, drop the graphic in and resize to 35%. Ah! the frame I've created is not quite the right size, so I grab one of its resize handles and adjust the size... Botheration and curses (or the one that begins bu....) The graphic has been auto resized and isn't 35% any more... have to resize the graphic again. So to the Q... Is there a way of resizing the frame, without it messing up the size of the graphic it contains? To put it another way, I want the graphic to remain at nnsize regardless of what's done to the frame surrounding it. Cheers and thanks Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:48:18 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046024869:20:02537:100".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046024869:20:02537:100; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:27:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127357; 23 Feb 2003 18:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18n0qX-0003kK-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:27:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1NIQvR20146 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:26:57 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1NIQu920142 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:26:56 GMT Received: from [81.96.125.247] by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030223182656.XYVV22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[81.96.125.247]> for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:26:56 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:25:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Q From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4bc958c22fdfs@ukgateway.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist on 23/2/03 5:17 pm, Dave Symes wrote: > I've been meaning to ask about this for ages but forgot, until it happened > again today. > > Specifically: > I have a graphic, it needs to be displayed at 35% > > I create a frame roughly the size I need in an OvPro document, drop the > graphic in and resize to 35%. > > Ah! the frame I've created is not quite the right size, so I grab one of > its resize handles and adjust the size... Botheration and curses (or the > one that begins bu....) The graphic has been auto resized and isn't 35% > any more... have to resize the graphic again. > > So to the Q... > > Is there a way of resizing the frame, without it messing up the size of > the graphic it contains? > > To put it another way, I want the graphic to remain at nnsize regardless > of what's done to the frame surrounding it. > > Cheers and thanks > Dave S Must be a preference somewhere, as I have never even encountered auto-resize of image when adjusting frame boundaries, though I am sure iy's easy enough (must read manual). Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:48:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046027952:20:04371:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046027952:20:04371:54; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:19:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004281; 23 Feb 2003 19:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18n1e8-0001aC-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:18:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1NJIZi29939 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:18:35 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1NJIYD29933 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:18:35 GMT Received: from modem-1296.tiger.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.213.16] helo=riscpc) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18n1dv-0000UE-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:18:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:04:38 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Q Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > on 23/2/03 5:17 pm, Dave Symes wrote: > > > I've been meaning to ask about this for ages but forgot, until it happened > > again today. > > > > Specifically: > > I have a graphic, it needs to be displayed at 35% > > > > I create a frame roughly the size I need in an OvPro document, drop the > > graphic in and resize to 35%. > > > > Ah! the frame I've created is not quite the right size, so I grab one of > > its resize handles and adjust the size... Botheration and curses (or the > > one that begins bu....) The graphic has been auto resized and isn't 35% > > any more... have to resize the graphic again. > > > > So to the Q... > > > > Is there a way of resizing the frame, without it messing up the size of > > the graphic it contains? > > > > To put it another way, I want the graphic to remain at nnsize regardless > > of what's done to the frame surrounding it. > > > > Cheers and thanks > > Dave S > > Must be a preference somewhere, as I have never even encountered auto-resize > of image when adjusting frame boundaries, though I am sure iy's easy enough > (must read manual). Picture -> modify picture -> Auto Scale. It defaults to off for me, so I suspect your default document has it on. Alan -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:48:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046028023:20:05961:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046028023:20:05961:54; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:20:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113039; 23 Feb 2003 19:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18n1fe-0001AW-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:20:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1NJKHO30273 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:20:17 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1NJKGB30269 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:20:17 GMT Received: from [80.225.17.220] (helo=yourhjhk3dafwl) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18n1fb-000On8-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:20:15 +0000 Message-ID: <005801c2db70$9949dcd0$dc11e150@yourhjhk3dafwl> From: "Colin Beswick" To: References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:19:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I too had problems running OP on Windows XP home but, as suggested, deleted the contents of the colours directory and this solved the problem. Experimented briefly with OP and everything tried so far seems to work well. Have loaded some old RiscOS OP files and apart from the obvious fonts problem I could open the files. My only problem to date is that the side tool bar and the information/fonts box at the foot of the window don't stay on screen when window is maximised. Have had to move them and save default page in an attempt to keep them on screen. Looks really promising so far. Back to further experimentation Thanks David Colin Beswick > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:48:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046033153:20:19384:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046033153:20:19384:57; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:45:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108907; 23 Feb 2003 20:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18n306-0004SZ-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:45:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1NKj2G13001 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:45:02 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1NKj1u12997 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:45:01 GMT Received: from modem-398.kowabunga.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.253.142] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18n2zb-0002XC-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:45:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:23:04 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - ImageExtnd Message-ID: References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> you wrote: [snip] > Oddly enough, the code you have posted (presuming you omitted the initial > "R" by accident) cannot possibly cause such an error (presuming the > IfExists utility does what it says on the tin). The IfExists utility > in !OArtWrks should be 340 bytes long, type Utility, dated 15 May 1994. Oops Mk.2! Yes, missing "R" acidental only. Have just checked my copy of IfExists: its size, type and date details exactly as you say above. Just had a thought. Is the following relevant? You will see various applets referred below, but not all are being accessed from HardDisc4.$.DeskTopPub.OvationPro!OvnPro.Applets Of those complained about, (ie. there are others stored there), in !OvnPro.Applets are ColSupp, Fill, OEPS, Ovation1, Today Whereas Arrange, Grabber, OCharges OPCA, OArtWrks are stored/heing accessed from HardDisc4.$.DeskTopPub.OvationPro.!Applets - ie.Rob Clark's Applets Manager app.). Further silliness, (I guess?), typical of a non-techie like me, is that the applets in OvnPro.Applets are duplicated in the applet manager - why? Dunno, seemed like a good idea! Sillier still? Additional duplicate applet copies in Rob's !ApplXtr. > OK, so try the following after a power-off: Open a TaskWindow and type > *show CCSh* > *show ArtWorksM* > > What does it say? Of course, after doing this, you need to run OP to > verify that the ImageExtnd error IS displayed. And, just to be absolutely > sure, the error really reads "File name .RmStore.ImageExtend not > recognised" (note the words "File name" at the beginning), doesn't it? So this is what I did, with the results: Fom power-on: 1. TaskWindow, results as below *show CCSh* *show ArtWorksM* ArtWorksModules$LoadFile : IDEFS::HardDisc4.$.!BOOT.Resources.!AWViewer.LoadRMs ArtWorksModules$Path : IDEFS::HardDisc4.$.!BOOT.Resources.!AWViewer.RMStore. 2. Load OvPro version 2.64, result: No error message about ImageExtnd or anything else Throwback window produced complaining !OvnPro.Applets.!Ovation1.Library.!MenuLib 3 S Multiple definition !OvnPro.Applets.!Ovation1.Library.PSsupport 4 S Multiple definition 3. Load OvPro version 2.70, result: very slow to complete loading, due to large throwback window being produced throwback complains of !Arrange.Library.!MenuLib/PSsupport !ColSupp.Library.!MenuLib/PSCode/PSssupport !Fill.Library.!MenuLib/PSssupport plus similar for !Grabber, !OCharges, !OEPS, !OPCA, !Ovation1, !Today 4. Shift/Ctrl/F12 shutdown, ReStart: Load OvPro v.2.64, result, exactly same as above. Load OvPro v.2.70, again, result exactly as above. 5. Shift/Ctrl/F12 shutdown, power-off, power-on: Load OvPro v.2.64, result, again as above - ie. still no error messages Load OvPro v.2.70, result, also identical and no error messages 6. With *no* intervening shutdown or power-off, (or any other action of any kind), I next tried load OvPro version 2.67, result, no error messages and no throwbacks either! so, v. 2.66? same, no errors no throwbacks v.2.65 - same, no errors no throwbacks load second copy of v.2.70: no errors but same large list of throwbacks load second copy of v.2.64: no errors but same short list of throwbacks (now got seven copies of OP on iconbar!). 7. Shutdown, power-off, power-on: load v.2.67, result: Error window: File name 'RMStore.ImageExtnd' not recognised clicked on Cancel OP continued, loaded to iconbar, throwback opened complaining about !OArtWrks.Library.Quality 19 S Unknown identifier awsetwysiwgy load v.2.66, result: *exactly* same as 2.67 load v.2.65, result, again exactly as 2.66, 2.67 load v.2.64, result, no error windows, no throwbacks!! load v.2.70, result, no erorr windows, throwback window with identical content as in 3. and 6. above. Can you make any sense out of all this, at all? I certainly can't! -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:48:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046041994:20:16114:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046041994:20:16114:40; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:13:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100644; 23 Feb 2003 23:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18n5Iq-0007w9-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:13:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1NNC3E04083 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:12:03 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1NNC2Y04077 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:12:02 GMT Received: from [62.188.142.95] (helo=62.188.142.95) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18n5Hy-0005yq-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:12:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:28:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain - scanning on the Iyonix Message-ID: <4bc95f38e7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bc8f3310bpaul@delink.nl> References: <4bc8f3310bpaul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bc8f3310bpaul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Dear all, > Since switching to the Iyonix, I really miss my Epson GT 9500 scanner. > Although I've read all the relevant postings, I still can't get a clear > picture about scanning on RISC OS 5. > - SCSI scanners won't work until SCSI is available for Iyonix, that's > obvious. > - But what about !Twain? > - Can I buy any USB scanner and use Twain to drive it? > - Or is Twain limited to only a small number of USB scanners? > I'd love to read that I should buy scanner X and download Twain Y, in > order to continue scanning as I happily did for many years now. I have the Epson Perfection 1660 Photo, which I bought from Castle at the same time as the Iyonix. It came with the necessary Twain Driver (written by DP) to run with DPSS. It's so fast in comparison with my 4 year old SCSI Mustek. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:48:24 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046051774:20:27116:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046051774:20:27116:42; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:56:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100869; 24 Feb 2003 1:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18n7qW-0007r2-00; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:55:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1O1tNj21779 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:55:23 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1O1tMp21776 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:55:22 GMT Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.253.76.1]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030224015516.PVRX21530.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:55:16 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:08:57 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version In-Reply-To: <005801c2db70$9949dcd0$dc11e150@yourhjhk3dafwl> References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Been trying out OvPro - Windows version with Windows XP. Not sure whether bug reports are appreciated at such an early stage but following have manifested themselves for me. Copying files from my Risc PC to a PC formatted disc and into the PC. ?Tip. Need to 'rename' the files to type .dpd to get them to load. 1. Able to save changes to default stylesheet except that I cannot save a multi row button bar into the default stylesheet. 2. When editing styles, using a 1280 1024 screen size, the style data text in the dialogue window is tiny and well nigh impossible to read. 3. Would be helpful if macro dialogue window were expandable. 4. If I 'click' on the open new doc icon, the programme displays an error message and closes down the programme. 5. Could not 'ctrl-C' from one document to another although copied text was in clipboard for original document - is this a clipboard setting? The selected text would not drag and drop across either. 6. All of a sudden, while experimenting, I lost the info pallette although view options are set to show it. It has gorn ... . 7. Tried to uninstall OvPro with uninstall programme in davidpilling folder but after wizard closed, it was still there as was desktop shortcut. (Was able to uninstall using the settings application.) 8. Re-installed and info pallette returned - still unable to save multi row button bar and had to tell Windows to use the .dps icon on the default file. Otherwise, so far looks promising and seems very fast. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:48:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046083262:20:18746:621".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046083262:20:18746:621; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:41:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2129509; 24 Feb 2003 10:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nFtO-0005MY-00; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:31:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1OAUcX01487 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:30:38 GMT Received: from smtp07.wxs.nl (smtp07.wxs.nl [195.121.6.39]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1OAUck01482 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:30:38 GMT Received: from delink.planet.nl ([195.121.96.32]) by smtp07.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HAT6FH02.L1Q for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:28:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:28:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Twain - scanning on the Iyonix Message-ID: <4bc9bca4e0paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4bc95f38e7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bc8f3310bpaul@delink.nl> <4bc95f38e7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.01g (RISC-OS/5.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist charles.hope wrote: > I have the Epson Perfection 1660 Photo, which I bought from Castle at > the same time as the Iyonix. It came with the necessary Twain Driver > (written by DP) to run with DPSS Ah, but that isn't David Pilling's scanning software, is it? How does this Twain version compare to the Pilling's one? And what price is connected to scanner and software? And, most importantly, IS there any USB scanner that can be used with David Pilling's software? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:48:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046111861:20:27477:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046111861:20:27477:56; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:37:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117497; 24 Feb 2003 18:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nNSr-0000vs-00; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:36:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1OIa2w31646 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:36:02 GMT Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [217.169.20.27]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1OIa1H31638 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:36:02 GMT Received: from [81.2.115.178] (helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nNSL-0002Eu-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:36:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:37:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Q Message-ID: <4bc9e96942gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Alan Adams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > > Must be a preference somewhere, as I have never even encountered > > auto-resize of image when adjusting frame boundaries, though I am > > sure iy's easy enough (must read manual). > Picture -> modify picture -> Auto Scale. It defaults to off for me, > so I suspect your default document has it on. This can be set in choices (Adjust click on iconbar icon). Scroll down the sidebar and click on 'Picture' There you can set the Auto scale to be on or off by default. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:48:38 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046114334:20:28388:73".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:48:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046114334:20:28388:73; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:18:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103799; 24 Feb 2003 19:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nO6P-0006Qh-00; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:17:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1OJHDG09918 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:17:13 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1OJHCf09914 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:17:12 GMT Received: from modem-83.emperor-angel.dialup.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.6.83] helo=localhost) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18nO6B-0000La-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:17:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:28:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Downloaded, installed and run on the XP-pro laptop here. Ovation wasn't added to the programmes menu, so had to make it a shortcut on the desktop. In the brief 5 mins I played late last night, I noticed that the toolbox disappeared when the window was full-screen, although the info palette was present. Also the default A4 doc opened with a huge white area to the right of where the page should have finished - selecting view-pasteboard made the page appear OK (ie grey area outside paper edges. One or two icons in dialogue boxes were cropped on the right-hand edge. Otherwise looking very promising. Have you any thoughts on its retail price yet, and will it be available to existing RISC OS users as an upgrade to run alongside existing RO versions? Very promising Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046182252:20:26791:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046182252:20:26791:48; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:10:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2118149; 25 Feb 2003 14:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nfc4-0008SQ-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:59:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PDvxr08223 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:57:59 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PDvwb08217 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:57:58 GMT Received: from [62.188.105.147] (helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nfb7-0005HI-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:58:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:57:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id h1PDvxb08219 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I am using OP Version 2.67 on a RiscPC SA and have the Imposit applet loaded. I have a multipage document produced with A4 'double-sided' (mirrored L/R) master pages using a larger 'inner' space for binding. I am trying to replicate, with the 'thumbnails' printing option, what Impression Publisher does automatically for me with its 'Fit same page' option i.e. I want to print my whole document - on only one side, using A4 paper - in such a way that each document page appears sideways *twice, side-by-side on each sheet* at, say, 67% scale. It is vital that the two scaled copies (of the master A4 page) on each sideways A4 sheet are disposed correctly about the vertical centre-line - so that cutting each sheet in half preserves the correct sense of the larger 'inner' space for binding. I am having no luck using 'thumbnails'. My best effort produced two copies side by side with the LH copy correctly placed but the RH copy starting way too far to the right and mostly off the sheet. What am I doing wrong? I confess that I do not understand the 'Print area' and 'Paper area' options nor the meaning of the two numbers in 11 and 22 etc. on the thumbnails' menu. The CD manual does not explain this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:18 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045958422:11:07609:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045958422:11:07609:41; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 00:00:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107200; 23 Feb 2003 0:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mjYi-0007cL-00; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:59:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1MNx0f07794 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:59:00 GMT Received: from smtp10.wxs.nl (smtp10.wxs.nl [195.121.6.35]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1MNwxb07790 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:58:59 GMT Received: from delink.planet.nl (ipc3796257.dial.wxs.nl [195.121.98.87]) by smtp10.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HAQ00EV4CIAQZ@smtp10.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:51:53 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:48:02 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Twain - scanning on the Iyonix To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4bc8f3310bpaul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.01g (RISC-OS/5.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Dear all, Since switching to the Iyonix, I really miss my Epson GT 9500 scanner. Although I've read all the relevant postings, I still can't get a clear picture about scanning on RISC OS 5. - SCSI scanners won't work until SCSI is available for Iyonix, that's obvious. - But what about !Twain? - Can I buy any USB scanner and use Twain to drive it? - Or is Twain limited to only a small number of USB scanners? I'd love to read that I should buy scanner X and download Twain Y, in order to continue scanning as I happily did for many years now. Eagerly waiting for your reply, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:19 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045987816:10:21056:39".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045987816:10:21056:39; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:10:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020383; 23 Feb 2003 8:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mrCg-0008M0-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:09:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1N88vF26201 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:08:57 GMT Received: from javelin.vip.uk.com (javelin.vip.uk.com [62.60.0.98]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1N88ud26196 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:08:56 GMT Received: from modem-134-14-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.14.134] helo=whsmithnet.co.uk) by javelin.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18mrBq-0005OT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:08:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:06:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OP - Windows / Cosmetics Message-ID: <4bc92bc518nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <2b7746c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <86bf55c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <55e0cdc84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> In-Reply-To: <55e0cdc84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David, Running 2.70 under ME (to see what it looks like) Im getting extra characters in the "Print >Setup Selection" boxes and also in the "Print > Separations >Screen box". Looks like a trailing "|" or lowercase L. The Calculator close icon also doesnt deselect (although the window gets input focus whilst the mouse button is held). HTH -- besters.. Ned === -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:20 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045991713:10:17134:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045991713:10:17134:65; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:15:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017208; 23 Feb 2003 9:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18msDq-0001fh-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:14:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1N9EAM32186 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:14:10 GMT Received: from black-watch.firstnet.net.uk (onslaught.firstnet.net.uk [212.103.224.245]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1N9EAS32182 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:14:10 GMT Received: (qmail 14686 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2003 09:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hpbrio) (212.103.240.164) by 10.10.10.7 with SMTP; 23 Feb 2003 09:14:24 -0000 From: "Ian ODonnell" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Printing Books Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:13:47 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c2db1b$df570fe0$0afea8c0@hpbrio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 In-Reply-To: <4bc92bc518nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Just a quick question, is there any way to automate the process when printing a booklet of splitting it into smaller sections ready for binding when printing it, say groups of 16 pages which can then be folded and stapled and then put together with the next group of 16 pages? Any suggestions? I'm sure I read about it somewhere but now can't find it :-( Ian _ _ _ _ |_|_|_|_| Graphic Solutions for all Media |_|_|_|_| 3 Goode Croft, Tile Hill, |_|_|_|_| Coventry CV4 9RF |_|_|_|_| Tel: 024 76466416 Real Point http://www.realpoint.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045994341:10:12428:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045994341:10:12428:41; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:59:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112579; 23 Feb 2003 9:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mstb-0004BX-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1N9w1J04584 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:01 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1N9w0N04576 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:00 GMT Received: from [213.116.54.114] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mstY-00024W-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:51:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bc8e88e82steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <2b7746c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <86bf55c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 22 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\DavidPilling\OvationPro] > >@="C:\\Program Files\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro" > >"Applets"="C:\\Program Files\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro\\Applets" > Those are the two correct key values. @ (or the null one) points at the > program, and the value "Applets" points at the applets. > Do these paths exist on disc? > The double slashes are presumably a facet of the display program. The OS uses the single \ to denote a change of level within the registry hive, as a result any entry of \ as part of a string must be \\. Similar situations exist for things like AutoIT (a neat, free, scriptable, mouse and keyboard simulation utility) -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045994341:10:12423:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045994341:10:12423:41; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:59:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112578; 23 Feb 2003 9:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18msta-00076d-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1N9w0u04582 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:00 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1N9w0Z04577 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:00 GMT Received: from [213.116.54.114] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mstb-00024W-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:55:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4bc8e8db79steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <000001c2da63$59d98400$0afea8c0@hpbrio> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 22 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >I have tried downloading the Windows version of Ovation, it installs no > >problem but when run generates a program error "OvnPro.exe has > >generated errors and will be closed by Windows. You will need to > >restart the program." > My best guess about the existing version is that there's some problem > with memory allocation. It happened the first time I ran the program after install, I re-booted and tried again (without re-install) and all was well. I put it down to the fact that my work PC is getting re-booted only when a fault occurs at the moment (i.e about once a week - it is windows...) I'd blame the IT bod that installed it, except that's me. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1045994756:10:21234:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1045994756:10:21234:45; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:05:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020599; 23 Feb 2003 10:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mt0X-0004lC-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:05:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1NA5Dh05685 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:05:13 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1NA5DC05680 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:05:13 GMT Received: from [62.188.28.49] (helo=bw26.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18mt0Z-0002FT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:05:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 20:03:55 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <0ba9e9c84b.jwolfe@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:10:44 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: *softwarelist@davidpilling.net* Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version In message David Pilling wrote: > >I have tried downloading the Windows version of Ovation, it installs no > >problem but when run generates a program error "OvnPro.exe has generated > >errors and will be closed by Windows. You will need to restart the program." Although excited at the thought of this excellent app appearing on PCs, being old and technically impotent I decided not to download meantime. However being asked by someone to try it I find (on Win 2K) that it works fine with the simple docs I have made. However FWIW what was said in the para quoted above was exactly what happened each time when I tried to import (via Lanman98) a JPEG, a Sprite, a Drawfile and an OP file (v2.67). A Corel House Photo Image loaded fine, but printed upside down! Also with every print (to my HP DJ5550) a sheet first comes out with only "%% eps test" on it - then out comes the proper print. My apologies if this is of no help. > Probably best if you now wait for another version to appear. Look forward to that. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:22 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046001707:10:26848:156".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046001707:10:26848:156; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:01:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114124; 23 Feb 2003 12:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18muob-00087b-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:01:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1NBxha23149 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:59:43 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1NBxhw23145 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:59:43 GMT Received: from [81.96.125.247] by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030223115942.GQQG14341.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@[81.96.125.247]> for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:59:42 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:58:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing Books From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201c2db1b$df570fe0$0afea8c0@hpbrio> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist on 23/2/03 10:13 am, Ian ODonnell wrote: > Just a quick question, is there any way to automate the process when > printing a booklet of splitting it into smaller sections ready for binding > when printing it, say groups of 16 pages which can then be folded and > stapled and then put together with the next group of 16 pages? > > Any suggestions? I'm sure I read about it somewhere but now can't find it > :-( > > Ian Just work out the appropriate page ranges required, if I understand you correctly. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:28 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046037919:10:00617:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046037919:10:00617:49; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:05:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118302; 23 Feb 2003 22:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18n4FC-0000OT-00; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:05:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1NM4Gl27038 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:04:16 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1NM4GO27034 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:04:16 GMT Received: from [62.64.201.89] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18n4ED-000PSd-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:04:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:36:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Q Message-ID: <4bc975efe3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.02c (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Alan Adams wrote: > Picture -> modify picture -> Auto Scale. It defaults to off for me, so I > suspect your default document has it on. > Alan Thanks Alan, That's the little botheration. Sorted. Thanks again Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046085003:10:25857:225".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046085003:10:25857:225; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:10:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1107310; 24 Feb 2003 11:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nGIi-0000b1-00; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:57:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1OAvTO08657 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:57:29 GMT Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net (ctb-mesg2.saix.net [196.25.240.74]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1OAvRR08647 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:57:27 GMT Received: from tolkien (bnb54-01-p86.nt.saix.net [155.239.180.86]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h1OAvM3x013658 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:57:24 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <010e01c2dbf4$e5e7c4b0$0100a8c0@tolkien> From: "Samuel Kock" To: References: <4bc8f3310bpaul@delink.nl> <4bc95f38e7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <4bc9bca4e0paul@delink.nl> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain - scanning on the Iyonix Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:07:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1123 Disposition-Notification-To: "Samuel Kock" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1123 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Paul Sprangers wrote: > charles.hope wrote: >> I have the Epson Perfection 1660 Photo, which I bought from Castle at >> the same time as the Iyonix. It came with the necessary Twain Driver >> (written by DP) to run with DPSS > > Ah, but that isn't David Pilling's scanning software, is it? > How does this Twain version compare to the Pilling's one? > And what price is connected to scanner and software? Uhm, if you read carefully you'll see that David Pilling supplies the Twain Driver! Dunno about price though, you can look at Castle's website for that. > And, most importantly, IS there any USB scanner that can be used with > David Pilling's software? Yes, the above one, since it is USB! Samuel Kock Pretoria, South Africa Bio: http://go.to/skock/bio.htm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046118973:10:10267:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046118973:10:10267:72; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:36:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124610; 24 Feb 2003 20:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nPJB-0003TL-00; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:34:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1OKY7329623 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:34:07 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1OKY6E29612 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:34:06 GMT Received: from [62.188.144.105] (helo=62.188.144.105) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nPIh-0002FL-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:34:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:48:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain - scanning on the Iyonix Message-ID: <4bc9eff347charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bc9bca4e0paul@delink.nl> References: <4bc8f3310bpaul@delink.nl> <4bc95f38e7charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <4bc9bca4e0paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bc9bca4e0paul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > charles.hope wrote: > > I have the Epson Perfection 1660 Photo, which I bought from Castle at > > the same time as the Iyonix. It came with the necessary Twain Driver > > (written by DP) to run with DPSS > Ah, but that isn't David Pilling's scanning software, is it? > How does this Twain version compare to the Pilling's one? Twain is the software that allows the scanner to talk to the image processing software. I suspect that nearly all RISC OS versions of Twain are written by David Pilling. > And what price is connected to scanner and software? 200 UKP for both. > And, most importantly, IS there any USB scanner that can be used with > David Pilling's software? Yes, the one I've just mentioned. -- Using a RISC PC with RISC OS4 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046127793:10:05877:120".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046127793:10:05877:120; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:03:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113606; 24 Feb 2003 23:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nRcN-0001Dl-00; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:02:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1ON1kB31344 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:01:46 GMT Received: from oracle.uk.clara.net (oracle.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1ON1j131339 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:01:45 GMT Received: from du-069-0113.access.clara.net ([217.158.132.113] helo=GAVIN) by oracle.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #3) id 18nRbV-000JyZ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:01:45 +0000 Message-ID: <002201c2dc58$c55574e0$8100a8c0@GAVIN> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: Subject: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version - GIF Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:02:12 -0000 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Should the current trial version import GIF images? I get error message: "Inserted file is of type Data (*.dat) not Text ...." WinXP reckons it is a GIF. -- Gavin Dewar Quercus Computer Systems gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046171133:10:13258:77".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046171133:10:13258:77; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:05:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122180; 25 Feb 2003 11:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ncq5-0007xW-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:01:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PB19u08494 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:01:09 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PB17008488 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:01:07 GMT Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ncpf-00049c-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:01:07 +0100 Received: from [172.184.219.168] (helo=goedel) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ncpe-0008Jr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:01:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:33:38 +0100 From: Martin Wuerthner To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - ImageExtnd Message-ID: References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Alex Cessford wrote: > [Lengthy findings snipped] > > Can you make any sense out of all this, at all? I certainly can't! I think you have too many versions of OPro and too may places where the applets are stored. Certainly, more than one copy of OPro should be enough, unless there is a specific reason why you need any older version alongside 2.70. As far as duplicating applets is concerned, I am sure some of the OP specialists here can tell you whether or not this is a good idea. Coming back to the ImageExtnd problem: > 7. Shutdown, power-off, power-on: > load v.2.67, result: > Error window: File name 'RMStore.ImageExtnd' not recognised > clicked on Cancel > OP continued, loaded to iconbar, throwback opened complaining about > !OArtWrks.Library.Quality > 19 S Unknown identifier awsetwysiwgy > load v.2.66, result: > *exactly* same as 2.67 > load v.2.65, result, again exactly as 2.66, 2.67 > load v.2.64, result, no error windows, no throwbacks!! > load v.2.70, result, no erorr windows, throwback window with identical > content as in 3. and 6. above. OK, so to me it looks like one specific version of the OArtWrks applet stored in some place somewhere loaded by certain versions of OP has a fault in its !Install file. The fact that you see this error only after a reboot is easy to explain: If you first run a version of OP that loads a working version of the OArtWrks applet, then the ArtWorks rendering modules are loaded correctly, so if you later run another version of OP that loads a broken copy of OArtWrks, it does not matter because the modules are already there, so the broken applet's !Install file will not try to load them. From the above, it is clear that running 2.65, 2.66 or 2.67 results in a broken copy of OArtWrks to be loaded. My advice is: Delete OvationPro 2.65, 2.66 and 2.67 and the problem is solved. Alternatively, if you do not want to take that drastic an approach, hide these copies somewhere deep on your hard disc where they are not seen by the Filer and forget about them. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046177781:10:13274:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046177781:10:13274:49; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:56:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1107243; 25 Feb 2003 12:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18neQO-0000gd-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:43:08 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PCgZZ06949 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:42:35 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PCgXd06942 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:42:33 GMT Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.255.44.15]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030225124221.FBXT21530.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:42:21 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030225123431.00b28460@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:41:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - ImageExtnd In-Reply-To: References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 11:33 25.2.03 +0100, Martin Wuerther wrote: >In message > Alex Cessford wrote: > > > [Lengthy findings snipped] > >I think you have too many versions of OPro and too may places where the >applets are stored. Certainly, more than one copy of OPro should be >enough, unless there is a specific reason why you need any older version >alongside 2.70. As far as duplicating applets is concerned, I am sure some >of the OP specialists here can tell you whether or not this is a good >idea. > > >My advice is: Delete OvationPro 2.65, 2.66 and 2.67 and the problem is >solved. Alternatively, if you do not want to take that drastic an >approach, hide these copies somewhere deep on your hard disc where they >are not seen by the Filer and forget about them. > >Most of us will have asked ourselves the question what to do with older >versions. Mine is to keep one directory inside which lie the compressed copies of downloaded upgrades (just in case!). When a new version comes along I install it and copy across my relevant personal settings. I then delete the pre upgrade installed version. Saves space amongst other things. Never have had any backward compatibility problems although I always bear this in mind. This appears to give me the over cautious security I seek! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046184270:10:13521:90".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046184270:10:13521:90; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:44:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1124581; 25 Feb 2003 14:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ng4D-00014Q-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:28:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PESGf22886 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:28:16 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PESFf22873 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:28:15 GMT Received: from [81.96.125.247] by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030225142814.BZHF14341.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@[81.96.125.247]> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:28:14 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:26:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id h1PESFf22875 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist on 25/2/03 2:57 pm, Ray Favre wrote: > I am using OP Version 2.67 on a RiscPC SA and have the Imposit applet > loaded. > > I have a multipage document produced with A4 'double-sided' (mirrored > L/R) master pages using a larger 'inner' space for binding. > > I am trying to replicate, with the 'thumbnails' printing option, what > Impression Publisher does automatically for me with its 'Fit same > page' option i.e. I want to print my whole document - on only one > side, using A4 paper - in such a way that each document page appears > sideways *twice, side-by-side on each sheet* at, say, 67% scale. Not sure exactly what you are trying to achieve - same pages side by side, or consecutive pages side by side. > > It is vital that the two scaled copies (of the master A4 page) on > each sideways A4 sheet are disposed correctly about the vertical > centre-line - so that cutting each sheet in half preserves the > correct sense of the larger 'inner' space for binding. > > I am having no luck using 'thumbnails'. My best effort produced two > copies side by side with the LH copy correctly placed but the RH copy > starting way too far to the right and mostly off the sheet. This sounds entirely correct. If you print two copies of the same left-hand page side by side that is what you will get. The left-hand page is actually a right-hand page so is further to the right than you might expect - the large inner margin is to its left. The right-hand copy looks further to the right because again you have its larger inner margin at left and smaller outer margin at right. If you expect the two pages to appear symetrical on the page then you either need a page with equal left and right margins, or you ned to print a left-hand page followed by a right-hand page. > > What am I doing wrong? > > I confess that I do not understand the 'Print area' and 'Paper area' > options nor the meaning of the two numbers in 11 and 22 etc. on the > thumbnails' menu. The CD manual does not explain this. Paper area is the whole area of the sheet; Print area takes into account the non-printing margins of the printer. Given that you are working with master pages which have margins then Paper area is what you need; if you have copy which runs to the paper edge you will ned to select Print area if everything is to appear in print. You would need to scale smaller to fit in the Print area compared with the Paper area. I just hope I have understood the problem. Incidentally, using SPrint to print to a sprite (at low resolution) is a quick way of testing out such options and doesn't waste paper. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046184735:10:24414:143".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046184735:10:24414:143; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:52:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1025433; 25 Feb 2003 14:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ngHd-0005iA-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:42:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PEg9G28157 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:42:09 GMT Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PEg8f28150 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:42:08 GMT Received: from tnt-2-86.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.86] helo=localhost) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ngHW-000LqA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:42:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:19:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Applets manager Message-ID: <4bca50219bIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4bc4a3d62fIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Is there a 32bit compatible version of the applets manager program? > No. !Applets works with the Aemulor demo. -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ian.hamilton/ (Iyonix 128MB RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 17:49:49 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046188019:10:23978:93".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:49:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046188019:10:23978:93; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:46:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1024035; 25 Feb 2003 15:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ngzH-0005ir-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:27:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PFQi711588 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:26:44 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PFQhT11584 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:26:43 GMT Received: from localhost ([62.254.36.71]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030225152640.EAOV2341.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:26:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:27:16 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi I hope this 'report' helps the ongoing works After trying a couple of my RO OPro files on the Windows version (XP Home on a VIAO laptop) I notice that although both versions of the app have common drawfile borders, the RO file when opened on the PC gives eg 'Missing border definition 'Wades'' (which I have in the document). However, 'Wades' does exist in the Windows version, and what I get is the plain black border which I then have to re-convert to 'Wades' for every appropriate frame. (the same is true for eg the other drawfile borders i have - RotIron or whatever Apart from what's already been noted - disappearing toolbars, drawfile font crash etc, the biggest other problem I have noticed is that fonts substituted at the opening of a file seem 'drawn' well outside their frames, but only on the right hand of the page. Fonts then 'properly' replaced by me 'overlap' or 'overdraw' the first substitute, but leave remnants of that first font left on the right margin until I resize the window, first down to small then back up Thanks Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 18:37:31 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046198110:10:22987:69".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:37:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046198110:10:22987:69; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:35:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1112773; 25 Feb 2003 18:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18njgK-0000Ec-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:19:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PIJUR09438 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:19:30 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PIJTx09434 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:19:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18njft-000Np8-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:19:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:18:16 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Twain - scanning on the Iyonix References: <4bc8f3310bpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4bc8f3310bpaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Since switching to the Iyonix, I really miss my Epson GT 9500 scanner. >Although I've read all the relevant postings, I still can't get a clear >picture about scanning on RISC OS 5. My Epson TWAIN driver supports the USB scanners, Epson Perfection 1650 and 1660. I would *guess* it also works on the 2400 dpi versions of these scanners. However it definitely won't work on the Epson 1250/1260. The latter use a non-Epson chip set and so non-Epson command set. The driver works on Simtec USB and Iyonix USB. It also kinda sorta works on Castle podule USB - this podule is awaiting new firmware that will fix things. Things start to get complicated because Simtec won't release 32 bit versions of their libraries, so there's a 32 bit version of the driver which only supports Castle USB and a 26 bit version which supports Simtec (and Castle). Real complications sets in when you realise that not only are there two RISC OS USB API's - Castle and Simtec, but that Castle have had two bites at the problem and produced two versions of their API. There is a point I've been meaning to make, it's probably more cost effective to buy a new scanner for Iyonix than it is to buy a SCSI card. Assuming you only want SCSI for scanning, and that your existing scanner is a few years old. How do you get a driver? probably ask the author, because I've been shipping them in customised versions, depending on what they're going to be used with. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 18:37:32 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046198163:10:22978:190".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:37:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046198163:10:22978:190; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:36:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024209; 25 Feb 2003 18:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18njqt-0004B9-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:30:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PIUnt12349 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:30:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PIUn512346 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:30:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18njqq-0005QI-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:30:48 +0000 Message-ID: <0yOZcIF9X7W+Ewlj@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:29:17 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing References: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I am trying to replicate, with the 'thumbnails' printing option, what >Impression Publisher does automatically for me with its 'Fit same >page' option i.e. I want to print my whole document - on only one >side, using A4 paper - in such a way that each document page appears >sideways *twice, side-by-side on each sheet* at, say, 67% scale. Thumbnails with 'all same' ticked. >I confess that I do not understand the 'Print area' This is the area of the paper that the printer is capable of printing on. For example an "A4" printer may only be able to print up to 1 inch from each edge of the paper. The print area is then A4 less 1 inch all round. > and 'Paper area' This is the area of the paper i.e. A4. >options nor the meaning of the two numbers in 11 and 22 etc. on the >thumbnails' menu. The CD manual does not explain this. The numbers are how many copies can fit the area selected. 2 x 2 meaning 2 in the X direction and 2 in the Y. I suspect the Imposition applet has a help file inside it... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 21:27:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046208240:20:17575:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:27:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046208240:20:17575:62; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:24:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017138; 25 Feb 2003 21:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nmWz-0005tF-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:22:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PLMRF19484 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:22:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PLMQs19479 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:22:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18nmWw-0002bu-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:22:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:21:16 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version - GIF References: <002201c2dc58$c55574e0$8100a8c0@GAVIN> In-Reply-To: <002201c2dc58$c55574e0$8100a8c0@GAVIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Should the current trial version import GIF images? No. The graphics filters supplied are TIFF, PCX, PNG. The program handles BMP's and JPEG's natively (as well as sprite and Draw). I suspect windows metafile will have to be added. What other graphics formats would you like. (don't say GIF, I've got a GIF filter sat here on my hard disc). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 21:27:34 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046208079:10:18874:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:27:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046208079:10:18874:65; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:21:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017283; 25 Feb 2003 21:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nmUL-0007rl-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:19:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PLJ6E18821 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:19:06 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PLJ6w18818 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:19:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18nmTh-0007PP-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:19:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:17:45 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - ImageExtnd References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist The throwbacks about multiple definitions would point to an applet or script being run twice. Say if you managed to have two copies with different names in the applets folder. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 21:37:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046209024:10:20464:110".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:37:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046209024:10:20464:110; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:37:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020819; 25 Feb 2003 21:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nmkX-0008C1-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:36:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PLaRT22409 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:36:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PLaQM22405 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:36:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18nmkU-0008xY-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:36:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:34:53 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows / Cosmetics References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <2b7746c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <86bf55c84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <55e0cdc84b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <4bc92bc518nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bc92bc518nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Running 2.70 under ME (to see what it looks like) Im getting >extra characters in the "Print >Setup Selection" boxes and also >in the "Print > Separations >Screen box". Looks like a trailing >"|" or lowercase L. Just a way of saying - the font manager in Windows is now corrupt... Restart your computer. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 21:37:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046208908:10:16857:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:37:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046208908:10:16857:40; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:35:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113473; 25 Feb 2003 21:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nmi0-0001Wm-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:33:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PLXkN21832 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:33:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PLXkh21827 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:33:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18nmhu-0008sz-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:33:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:32:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Also the default A4 doc opened with a huge white area to the right of >where the page should have finished There is no easy way I could find of restricting the size of a Windows window. In RISC OS windows have a maximum size, reach the limits of the scroll bars and they'll expand no more. Not so in Windows. >One or two icons in dialogue boxes were cropped on the right-hand edge. Yep, I've done most of the work in 120 dpi screen mode - large fonts. If you use 96 dpi (more common) the bit maps in icons appear to increase in size. This needs fine tuning before the end of the day. >Have you any thoughts on its retail price yet, and will it be available >to existing RISC OS users as an upgrade to run alongside existing RO >versions? My idea is that the current system of sticking the latest version on the web site will continue for some time. Those versions are time bombed, they have a life of about one month. At some point I'll sell a version on CD specifically for Acorn users. What might be on that CD? Perhaps the latest (32 bit) RISC OS version of the OP CD. It's probable that it will include True Type versions of all the Beebug fonts supplied with Ovation. What else would you like? I could commission EFF to produce True Type / Unicode versions of Acorn fonts - if I could work out which ones were of general use. Perhaps a sack full of clip art or fonts? Not particularly easy to source for small numbers of discs and I doubt this has much attraction these days. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 21:47:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046209147:20:12384:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:47:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046209147:20:12384:66; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:39:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012743; 25 Feb 2003 21:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nmmU-0008Qr-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:38:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PLcSY22702 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:38:28 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PLcSP22698 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:38:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18nmmR-0003vK-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:38:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:37:24 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing Books References: <4bc92bc518nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <000201c2db1b$df570fe0$0afea8c0@hpbrio> In-Reply-To: <000201c2db1b$df570fe0$0afea8c0@hpbrio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Just a quick question, is there any way to automate the process when >printing a booklet of splitting it into smaller sections ready for binding >when printing it, say groups of 16 pages which can then be folded and >stapled and then put together with the next group of 16 pages? There's no automatic way, but the 'range' feature in the print window does make things relatively easy. Type in a range of 1-16, then 17-32 (etc) and if you're using the pamphlet printing format it will print out the necessary 16 page booklets. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 22:37:36 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046212486:10:11143:71".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:37:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046212486:10:11143:71; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:34:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aj1011244; 25 Feb 2003 22:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nnbR-0003tw-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:31:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PMUh100466 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:30:43 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PMUgP00454 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:30:42 GMT Received: from modem-859.banzai.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.231.91] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18nnaz-0004vo-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:30:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:04:15 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - ImageExtnd Message-ID: <312f80ca4b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > I think you have too many versions of OPro and too may places where the > applets are stored. You're probably right :-) I have a vague principle of keeping about two versions backwards and deleting the rest when getting upgrades, but I don't always manage to be up to date with my own policy! > As far as duplicating applets is concerned, I am sure some > of the OP specialists here can tell you whether or not this is a good > idea. Hope they will then, 'cos' I don't know! > Coming back to the ImageExtnd problem: [snip] > OK, so to me it looks like one specific version of the OArtWrks applet > stored in some place somewhere loaded by certain versions of OP has a > fault in its !Install file. [snip] Ok, thanks for that, I do understand. > My advice is: Delete OvationPro 2.65, 2.66 and 2.67 and the problem is > solved. Yes can do. > Alternatively, if you do not want to take that drastic an approach, > hide these copies somewhere deep on your hard disc Well they seem to be pretty deep where they are now: eg. HardDisc4.$.DeskTopPub.OvationPro.UpgradeSet.VersionUpgrades.V266.!OvnPro - with other versions being in V265, V264, etc. at the same above address. Actually, in staring at that VersionUpgrades directory I've just remembered how I came to keep so many back versions of OP in particular. There was the big leap in the upgrade path starting at 2.52, whereas prior to 2.46 you could just add on. > where they are not seen by the Filer and forget about them. This bit further jogged my memory. When upgrading I put just a single copy of the newest version in $.DeskTopPub and have that copy 'seen' by Boot.LookAt, so once I have powered-on, whatever is associated with that copy will get seen, regardless of which other copies/versions I launch. This may well be the source of the problem. I'll play with it tomorrow and check. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 22:37:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046212485:10:11137:67".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:37:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046212485:10:11137:67; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:34:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1011244; 25 Feb 2003 22:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nnbR-0003tv-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:31:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PMUfl00448 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:30:41 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PMUeI00442 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:30:40 GMT Received: from modem-859.banzai.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.231.91] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18nnaw-0004vo-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:30:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:04:08 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - ImageExtnd Message-ID: <942c80ca4b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030225123431.00b28460@mail.which.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030225123431.00b28460@mail.which.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <5.1.1.6.0.20030225123431.00b28460@mail.which.net> you wrote: [snip] > >Most of us will have asked ourselves the question what to do with older > >versions. > Mine is to keep one directory inside which lie the compressed copies of > downloaded upgrades (just in case!). [snip] Thanks John for this. If you look at my other posting tonight, in reply to Martin's comments, I *think* what I have been doing is more or less the same - do you agree? -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Feb 25 22:57:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046213279:20:09633:78".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:57:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046213279:20:09633:78; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:47:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009217; 25 Feb 2003 22:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nnr6-0000iA-00; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:47:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PMlHF03672 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:47:17 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PMlGw03668 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:47:16 GMT Received: from riscpc.at.home ([81.96.74.160]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030225224712.OKXE3191.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:47:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:47:05 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <281b84ca4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > There is no easy way I could find of restricting the size of a Windows > window. In RISC OS windows have a maximum size, reach the limits of the > scroll bars and they'll expand no more. Not so in Windows. Perhaps a maximized window that exceeds the page size should have the pasteboard turned on to fill the extra area? Or for all full-screen windows? John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 01:47:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046223592:20:00649:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:47:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046223592:20:00649:46; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:39:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125026; 26 Feb 2003 1:39 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nqXo-00043o-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:39:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1Q1d3l28125 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:39:03 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1Q1d2X28122 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:39:02 GMT Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.253.76.8]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030226013855.LHSY21530.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:38:55 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030226012941.00b3e9c8@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:33:31 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version In-Reply-To: <281b84ca4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Still experimenting with the size/layout/missing info pallete and toolbar issue I created a three row button bar and laid the info pallette on top of rows two and three and I turned the info pallette round ninety degrees and laid it over the right hand side of row one. I suppose a four row button bar would give room to squeeze eveything above the A4 frame. However, since I cannot save a default style with a multi row button bar, the opportunity to keep everything in view, irrespective of the size of the document window - so long as it does not get too small - was shortlived! At 22:47 25.2.03 +0000, you wrote: >In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > > There is no easy way I could find of restricting the size of a Windows > > window. In RISC OS windows have a maximum size, reach the limits of the > > scroll bars and they'll expand no more. Not so in Windows. > >Perhaps a maximized window that exceeds the page size should have the >pasteboard turned on to fill the extra area? Or for all full-screen windows? Or work in facing pages at 'fit window' size? >John >-- >John Pettigrew Headstrong Games >john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price >http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank >Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies! > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > >Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 01:47:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046223594:20:00648:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:47:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046223594:20:00648:62; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:39:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000737; 26 Feb 2003 1:39 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nqXo-00043p-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:39:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1Q1cw228089 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:38:58 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1Q1cvb28079 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:38:57 GMT Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.253.76.8]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030226013850.LHSG21530.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:38:50 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030226012159.00b41218@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:22:28 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - ImageExtnd In-Reply-To: <942c80ca4b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030225123431.00b28460@mail.which.net> <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030225123431.00b28460@mail.which.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 22:04 25.2.03 +0000, you wrote: >In message <5.1.1.6.0.20030225123431.00b28460@mail.which.net> you wrote: > >[snip] > > > >Most of us will have asked ourselves the question what to do with older > > >versions. > > > Mine is to keep one directory inside which lie the compressed copies of > > downloaded upgrades (just in case!). >[snip] > Thanks John for this. If you look at my other posting tonight, in reply >to Martin's comments, I *think* what I have been doing is more or less >the same - do you agree? Michty aye! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 01:57:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046224309:10:27803:80".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:57:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046224309:10:27803:80; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:51:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125789; 26 Feb 2003 1:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nqjX-0005gM-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:51:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1Q1pdk29462 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:51:39 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1Q1pdh29458 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:51:39 GMT Received: from [62.188.100.195] (helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nqj4-0007dM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:51:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:49:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bca94d20crayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Thankyou for the prompt replies. All were helpful (and I admit to forgetting that the applets have their own help docs) ..... ..... but none of them solved the problem of an excessively large gap between the two copies on the one sheet - and I'm talkin about 30mm more than it should be. In the end (not believing it was me, of course!) I firstly created a new document with a new master page replicating the frames in my original document - and it all worked perfectly with this new creation! But, then using these same thumbnail settings on my original document, I again got the previous wrong results. As my original document was authored in Impression Publisher and loaded into Ovation I can only assume that there is something odd - but not visible - in the translation. (I can recall getting occasional printing problems with other OP documents 'brought in' from Impression.) I'll just have to start afresh and import the text into a new document instead of converting the Impression document. (I wish I had remembered Mike Williams' point about the use of SPrint before I started!) -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 02:17:44 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046225719:20:16327:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:17:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046225719:20:16327:57; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:15:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102886; 26 Feb 2003 2:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nr60-00041g-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:14:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1Q2EtD32169 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:14:55 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1Q2EsE32166 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:14:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18nr5y-00068i-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:14:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:13:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> <005801c2db70$9949dcd0$dc11e150@yourhjhk3dafwl> <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >1. Able to save changes to default stylesheet except that I cannot >save a multi row button bar into the default stylesheet. Button bars have nothing to do with style sheets. To save the button bar layout, use 'save macros'. >5. Could not 'ctrl-C' from one document to another although copied >text was in clipboard for original document - is this a clipboard >setting? The selected text would not drag and drop across either. The current program doesn't support the Windows global clipboard. Transfer between documents should be OK - but only if they are open in the same copy of OP. Given that double click will always run another copy, that may not be easy to achieve. >7. Tried to uninstall OvPro with uninstall programme in davidpilling >folder but after wizard closed, it was still there as was desktop >shortcut. (Was able to uninstall using the settings application.) Uninstall does not work if used that way - given your comment I may change this. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 02:17:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046225486:10:27496:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:17:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046225486:10:27496:50; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:11:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108621; 26 Feb 2003 2:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nr2G-0007nY-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:11:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1Q2AsC31778 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:10:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1Q2AsZ31775 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:10:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18nr26-000BiH-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:10:54 +0000 Message-ID: <2epZnBQkHCX+Ew+K@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:09:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing References: <4bca94d20crayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bca94d20crayfavre@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >..... but none of them solved the problem of an excessively large >gap between the two copies on the one sheet - and I'm talkin about >30mm more than it should be. I note that the thumbnail format lets you set the X and Y gaps - any help? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 14:32:58 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046254328:20:29319:181".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:32:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046254328:20:29319:181; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:12:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2002628; 26 Feb 2003 10:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nyOJ-0005Mh-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:02:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QA2Hq25315 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:02:17 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QA2GZ25305 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:02:16 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust63.tnt15.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.124.63] with SMTP for id KAA03440 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:59:13 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003701c2dd76$1c2436d0$429474d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:03:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:32 PM, David Pilling wrote: > At some point I'll sell a version on CD specifically for Acorn users. > What might be on that CD? Perhaps the latest (32 bit) RISC OS version > of the OP CD. It's probable that it will include True Type versions > of all the Beebug fonts supplied with Ovation. > > What else would you like? > > I could commission EFF to produce True Type / Unicode versions of > Acorn fonts - if I could work out which ones were of general use. > This will be a good idea for people who already have EFF fonts in RISC OS. People, who have bought the EFF font CD AND also the people who have bought in the past Ovation Pro. My easy-to-access documentation goes back to Ovation Pro 2.26. Listed and included were (look a like of typeface name included in brackets): Angela (Bitstream Carmina) 4 Arnold (Arnold Boecklin) 1 Ascot (LinoScript) 1 Bob (Melior) 4 Caslon (Caslon Open face) 1 Cien (Umbra) 1 Classic (Adobe Utopia) 4 Europe (Futura or Futura Condensed)4 Goudy (Goudy or Goudy Old Style) 4 Ida (Brody) 1 Liz (Cooper Black) 1 LondonA (Adobe Garamond) 4 Monk (Cloister Black) 1 OldSolid (Rockwell) 4 Sophie (Park Avenue) 1 Tuwin (---) 4 Poster came also with fonts, for which several (very close) equivalents can be found in the EFF collection Blade / Sword FancyDress/FancyDress Freehand/Finescript Janet/Janet (OldEnglish) Open/Outline Shiver/Horror Snowball/Xmas Tiptop/Mike Tube/Hotdog Easiwriter/Techwriter comes with Mathxxx fonts. My point: without having the EFF Typhography 2 disc, many people have already Acorn EFF fonts, like the ones mentioned above. Likely there are more. ONE problem remains with 'OP4Win + EFF fonts rendered with *Acorn* Latin1 Encoding' and 'OP4RO with EFF fonts with *EFF* Latin1 Encoding': the encodings differ for the range of characters 128 ...141. > Perhaps a sack full of clip art or fonts? Not particularly easy to > source for small numbers of discs and I doubt this has much attraction > these days. Some utils to be able to edit 'RISC OS' specific things in OP4Win in Windows environment ... Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 14:32:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046267146:20:08047:115".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:32:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046267146:20:08047:115; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:45:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2008851; 26 Feb 2003 13:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o1qC-0005hX-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:43:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QDhIm21992 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:43:18 GMT Received: from d9000.firstnet.net.uk (vulcan.firstnet.net.uk [212.103.224.244]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1QDhHl21988 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:43:17 GMT Received: (qmail 1004 invoked by uid 105); 26 Feb 2003 13:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hpbrio) (212.103.240.164) by 10.10.11.7 with SMTP; 26 Feb 2003 13:45:25 -0000 From: "Ian ODonnell" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:42:55 -0000 Message-ID: <000301c2dd9c$f7ae7f00$0afea8c0@hpbrio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Just a quick comment on the Windows version of Ovation, I dropped a copy of a document I had created on the Acorn and it mucked up all the tabs, and I can't seem to create anything but left align tabs in the document, I needed decimal align as it is a Menu! Ian _ _ _ _ |_|_|_|_| Graphic Solutions for all Media |_|_|_|_| 3 Goode Croft, Tile Hill, |_|_|_|_| Coventry CV4 9RF |_|_|_|_| Tel: 024 76466416 Real Point http://www.realpoint.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 14:33:00 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046267147:20:08469:104".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:33:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046267147:20:08469:104; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:45:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ak2009040; 26 Feb 2003 13:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o1mP-000591-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:39:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QDd4J20868 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:39:04 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QDd3m20858 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:39:04 GMT Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.255.44.18]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030226133857.QZYU21530.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:38:57 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:45:54 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> <005801c2db70$9949dcd0$dc11e150@yourhjhk3dafwl> <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Thanks for the info below. Al good stuff! Having had to spend most of my time over the past couple of years using Word and having become acclimatised to it - careful use of word 'acclimatised'! - I have forgotten some of the protocols in OvPro. Talking about this brings back a query of mine a year or two ago - would it be possible to incorporate tables in OvPro for Windows? John W At 02:13 26.2.03 +0000, you wrote: >>1. Able to save changes to default stylesheet except that I cannot save >>a multi row button bar into the default stylesheet. > >Button bars have nothing to do with style sheets. To save the button bar >layout, use 'save macros'. Thanks. I will experiment further. For the present I have locked the info palette to the inside left hand window edge, immediately underneath the button bar (now 2 rows!) and the toolbox, vertical once more is locked to the inside left hand window edge immediately under the info palette. Now when I maximise and then minimise the window, the tools stay in the same place inside the window. I made the left hand margin 10mm which gives the first line of text just to the right of the right hand edge of the toolbox - I suppose experimentation is presently needed depending on the screen size being used to obtain the best layout. No doubt you will find a neater solution in due course. Would it be possible to make the default window size of opened documents customisable? >>5. Could not 'ctrl-C' from one document to another although copied text >>was in clipboard for original document - is this a clipboard >>setting? The selected text would not drag and drop across either. > >The current program doesn't support the Windows global clipboard. Transfer >between documents should be OK - but only if they are open in the same >copy of OP. Given that double click will always run another copy, that may >not be easy to achieve. Should be a route via the open doc browse facility. >>7. Tried to uninstall OvPro with uninstall programme in davidpilling >>folder but after wizard closed, it was still there as was desktop >>shortcut. (Was able to uninstall using the settings application.) > >Uninstall does not work if used that way - given your comment I may change >this. Only worth spending time on this if I am not the only one who resorts to the practice. Can anyone help with the 'proper' or 'accepted' way of uninstalling programmes? Windows XP suggests using the Add or Remove facility in the control panel. >-- >David Pilling >email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > >Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 14:33:01 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046268725:20:07382:134".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:33:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046268725:20:07382:134; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:12:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129851; 26 Feb 2003 14:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o2GX-00088r-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:10:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QEAPL30084 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:10:25 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QEAOm30077 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:10:24 GMT Received: from riscpc.at.home ([81.103.22.95]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030226141023.WMPL14341.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:10:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:10:10 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, John Waddell wrote: > Can anyone help with the 'proper' or 'accepted' way of uninstalling > programmes? Windows XP suggests using the Add or Remove facility in the > control panel. I think this has always been the approved method - it's certainly the way I've always done it. The only time I would use a different uninstall is if the app puts an "uninstall" icon in the Start menu, but even then I usually just use the control panel. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 14:33:04 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046254705:10:13878:82".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:33:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046254705:10:13878:82; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:18:25 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014475; 26 Feb 2003 10:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nyLU-0002BJ-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:59:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1Q9wqB24323 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:58:52 GMT Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net (ctb-mesg1.saix.net [196.25.240.73]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1Q9woq24308 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:58:50 GMT Received: from tolkien (bnb54-01-p280.nt.saix.net [155.239.181.24]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h1Q9whur003838 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:58:44 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <005001c2dd7f$1180bd30$0100a8c0@tolkien> From: "Samuel Kock" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030226012941.00b3e9c8@mail.which.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:04:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1123 Disposition-Notification-To: "Samuel Kock" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1123 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Why can't the toolbar and infobar be more like the toolbar of (say) Word, or maybe like Xarax's toolbar and info palette? Samuel John Waddell wrote: > Still experimenting with the size/layout/missing info pallete and > toolbar issue I created a three row button bar and laid the info > pallette on top of rows two and three and I turned the info pallette > round ninety degrees and laid it over the right hand side of row > one. I suppose a four row button bar would give room to squeeze > eveything above the A4 frame. > > However, since I cannot save a default style with a multi row button > bar, the opportunity to keep everything in view, irrespective of the > size of the document window - so long as it does not get too small - > was shortlived! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 15:22:52 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046272627:10:23490:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:22:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046272627:10:23490:50; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:17:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1110338; 26 Feb 2003 15:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o2uQ-0000Oy-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:51:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QEpOC09364 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:51:24 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QEpN109356 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:51:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18o2u1-0006gc-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:51:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:49:53 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030226012941.00b3e9c8@mail.which.net> <005001c2dd7f$1180bd30$0100a8c0@tolkien> In-Reply-To: <005001c2dd7f$1180bd30$0100a8c0@tolkien> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Why can't the toolbar and infobar be more like the toolbar of (say) Word, or >maybe like Xarax's toolbar and info palette? Because they'd then sue me for copying their "look and feel"? Because we're not just copying what others do? Seriously, for now the aim is to produce something very much like the RISC OS version. There are various reasons for that, it makes things easy for me, it means that the Windows version will be familiar to users of the RISC OS version, and so easier to use. However in the long run there will be changes. More standard Windows key presses, more standard Windows 'icons' - for example the combination icon, gright (arrow) button and pop up menu items should be Windows 'combo boxes'. The current situation with the info palette and toolbox is badly wrong, and seems to have irritated most people. But that is just a rough edge in what is an unfinished program. Nick Kaijaks suggested to me that the info pal and toolbox should be made 'docking'. I think that's a good idea and I'll probably do that. In fact this would have made many RISC OS users happy too. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 15:42:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046273921:10:26583:118".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:42:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046273921:10:26583:118; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:38:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1114299; 26 Feb 2003 15:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o3JD-0005zU-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:17:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QFHLq17831 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:17:21 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QFHKW17827 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:17:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18o3JA-0005iK-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:17:20 +0000 Message-ID: <7V3qFKCcoNX+EwvO@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:15:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c2d902$6e7cf480$9778fea9@QCS> <005801c2db70$9949dcd0$dc11e150@yourhjhk3dafwl> <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Talking about this brings back a query of mine a year or two ago - >would it be possible to incorporate tables in OvPro for Windows? Yes, definitely. Tables are top of my list of things to add now. Of course if there's real interest in the Win version of OP then all things become possible, even improvements to the RISC OS version. >Would it be possible to make the default window size of opened >documents customisable? Yes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 16:12:45 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046275174:10:01026:84".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:12:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046275174:10:01026:84; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:59:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000811; 26 Feb 2003 15:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o3vV-000113-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:56:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QFuMi30232 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:56:22 GMT Received: from lhuumrelay3.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net (lhuumrelay3.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net [62.189.58.19]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QFuL430226 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:56:22 GMT Received: from RTV (userdt19.uk.uudial.com [62.188.6.224]) by lhuumrelay3.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id h1QFuEH28993 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:56:15 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:09:21 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4BCADE08EC%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Pilling wrote: [snip] > >One or two icons in dialogue boxes were cropped on the right-hand edge. > Yep, I've done most of the work in 120 dpi screen mode - large fonts. If > you use 96 dpi (more common) the bit maps in icons appear to increase in > size. This needs fine tuning before the end of the day. [snip] Probably not at all relevant, but... My 1 year old 1.2G Laptop seems /very/ slow compared to my 8 year old overclocked RPC. I discovered that you can turn off the 'fancy graphics' in XP & I was astonished at the speed increase. AIUI M$ changed the icons in Office to those plain drab things because 3D icons slowed everything down. I thight that they were joking but it appears to be true! =:-O -- People are always available for work in the past tense. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:52:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046281801:20:20191:215; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:50:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cn2127218; 26 Feb 2003 17:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o5PS-0002fn-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:31:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QHVQG25159 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:31:26 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QHVPd25154 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:31:25 GMT Received: from Rpc ([80.7.2.123]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030226173122.YORS2341.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:31:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:29:42 GMT From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <9ae2eaca4b.jms@ntlworld.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> John Waddell wrote: snipped > Thanks. I will experiment further. For the present I have locked the info > palette to the inside left hand window edge, immediately underneath the > button bar (now 2 rows!) and the toolbox, vertical once more is locked to > the inside left hand window edge immediately under the info palette. Now > when I maximise and then minimise the window, the tools stay in the same > place inside the window. I made the left hand margin 10mm which gives the > first line of text just to the right of the right hand edge of the toolbox > - I suppose experimentation is presently needed depending on the screen > size being used to obtain the best layout. No doubt you will find a neater > solution in due course. > > Would it be possible to make the default window size of opened documents > customisable? > snipped > > -- > John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire All the toolbar buttons can be placed on the button bar from the macros window and to be honest I have always had the info pallete turned off to give a larger on screen view of the document. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 18:22:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046283519:20:19327:73".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:22:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046283519:20:19327:73; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:18:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128639; 26 Feb 2003 18:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o67G-0001h5-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:17:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QIH2c11823 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:17:02 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QIH2311816 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:17:02 GMT Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18o673-00060B-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:17:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:10:44 GMT From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <5ca4eeca4b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > > >Also the default A4 doc opened with a huge white area to the right of > >where the page should have finished > > There is no easy way I could find of restricting the size of a Windows > window. In RISC OS windows have a maximum size, reach the limits of the > scroll bars and they'll expand no more. Not so in Windows. Borland's Delphi and C++ VCL has a maximum width for windows, when used, AFAIR, a window will open far left but only as far right as requested but... By using this in combination with coordinate tweaking on a maximize event I've made simple Delphi apps maximize in a more RISC OS style. It may be more effort but must be possible. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 18:32:44 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046283891:20:27920:67".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:32:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046283891:20:27920:67; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:24:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2026222; 26 Feb 2003 18:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o69x-0002Ar-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:20:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QIJxn12493 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:19:59 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QIJxY12490 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:19:59 GMT Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18o69v-0006kX-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:19:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:19:56 GMT From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version - GIF Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > I suspect windows metafile will have to be added. What other graphics > formats would you like. Enhanced metafile - emf. Some way of OLE editting graphics - (mini !Draw ?). (One (!) annoying thing about Word is (AFAICT) the inability to pull a graphic out and edit with original app.) -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 19:42:46 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046288029:20:05541:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:42:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046288029:20:05541:44; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:33:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004907; 26 Feb 2003 19:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o7IS-0005JU-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:32:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QJWIk28878 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:32:18 GMT Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QJWH228874 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:32:18 GMT Received: from localhost.com (213-78-67-136.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.67.136]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AQL08337; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:32:15 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:32:22 GMT From: Ed Donnelly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version - GIF Message-ID: <781df6ca4b.eddonnelly@freeuk.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: You must be joking User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Lo, in message David Pilling did write: > No. The graphics filters supplied are TIFF, PCX, PNG. > > The program handles BMP's and JPEG's natively (as well as sprite and > Draw). > > I suspect windows metafile will have to be added. What other graphics > formats would you like. SVG would be nice, and ICO could be useful sometimes. TTFN, Ed -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 19:42:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046288197:20:08512:134".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:42:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046288197:20:08512:134; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:36:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102912; 26 Feb 2003 19:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o7LI-0004RF-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:35:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QJZkP29750 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:35:46 GMT Received: from lhuumrelay3.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net (lhuumrelay3.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net [62.189.58.19]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QJZk929744 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:35:46 GMT Received: from RTV (userdo05.uk.uudial.com [62.188.4.223]) by lhuumrelay3.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id h1QJZeH01909 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:35:40 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:33:05 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <4BCAE5B399%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030226012941.00b3e9c8@mail.which.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.61 POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Pilling wrote: > > Why can't the toolbar and infobar be more like the toolbar of (say) Word, > > or maybe like Xarax's toolbar and info palette? > Because they'd then sue me for copying their "look and feel"? But they're "look and feel" is pretty ropey anyway. > Because we're not just copying what others do? Yes, indeed. Make them copy you. ;-) > Seriously, for now the aim is to produce something very much like the > RISC OS version. There are various reasons for that, it makes things > easy for me, it means that the Windows version will be familiar to users > of the RISC OS version, and so easier to use. Certainly the option I would prefer. As an aside, how easy (if possible!) is it to make the menu stay open when you choice an option? I find it tiresome that Windoze makes you go thro' that 5 deep menu structure again when you need 2 apps from it. > However in the long run there will be changes. More standard Windows key > presses, more standard Windows 'icons' - for example the combination > icon, gright (arrow) button and pop up menu items should be Windows > 'combo boxes'. IME quite a few RO apps have adopted standard Windoze key presses already. [snip] -- Acorn Computers: Pentium power without the heatsinks and cooling system __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:22:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046301641:20:11949:51; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:20:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011362; 26 Feb 2003 23:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oAq0-0008Ej-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:19:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QNJ8x07805 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:19:08 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QNJ8807802 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:19:08 GMT Received: from [62.188.100.127] (helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oAps-0005EP-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:19:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:19:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bcb0add0erayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2epZnBQkHCX+Ew+K@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4bca94d20crayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <2epZnBQkHCX+Ew+K@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <2epZnBQkHCX+Ew+K@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >..... but none of them solved the problem of an excessively large > >gap between the two copies on the one sheet - and I'm talkin about > >30mm more than it should be. > I note that the thumbnail format lets you set the X and Y gaps - > any help? Nope. Tried that. The X/Y gaps work as you would expect on the OP-originated document but not on the Impression-authored OP document. On this latter document, trying either positive or negative X/Y gaps has no effect whatsoever: the two copies of the page print exactly the same in all cases i.e. one scaled copy correctly placed on the left of the sideways A4 sheet and the second scaled copy on the right but with at least 30mm further right than it should be - so that a good portion of this right-hand copy is off the sheet. Nuffink won't shift it. I am convinced that the something has gone astray in OP's translation of the frames from the original Imp doc. (As I said, I can recall another intractable printing problem about a year ago with another document - also originally authored in Publisher. At the time - as the document was only eight pages - I was able to confirm by trial and error that the problem occurred only when one particular page was included. It was a page with a large local graphic frame blanketing out the frame of the master page. But we never found what the actual problem was.) I have successfully started to overcome the problem with the current document by creating a new OP document and importing just the text and styles. So the issue is now relegated to a nuisance rather than a show-stopper. Thanks. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 26 23:42:54 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046302737:10:01967:130".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:42:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046302737:10:01967:130; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:38:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1103610; 26 Feb 2003 23:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oB7x-0002Y1-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:38:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1QNcET10418 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:38:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QNcDj10414 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:38:13 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18oB7t-000N59-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:38:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:37:12 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing References: <4bca94d20crayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <2epZnBQkHCX+Ew+K@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4bcb0add0erayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bcb0add0erayfavre@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >The X/Y gaps work as you would expect on the OP-originated document >but not on the Impression-authored OP document. Even if the frames are in the wrong place, you're saying that increasing the gaps has no effect? I would have been inclined to do the save as DDL, reload DDL manoeuvre. Presumably you can visually check the position of the frames. Of course you make me curious to see the document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 13:27:14 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046352084:20:10293:115".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:27:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046352084:20:10293:115; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:21:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2009624; 27 Feb 2003 13:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oN39-00084p-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:22:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RCLeK29208 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:21:40 GMT Received: from bryans.org (www.bryans.org [195.149.46.231]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1RCLdx29203 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:21:39 GMT Received: (qmail 13580 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Feb 2003 12:21:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:21:37 +0000 From: Toby Bryans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version registry problem Message-ID: <20030227122136.GA13486@elephant.localnet> References: <20030227110912.58339.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030227110912.58339.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:09:12AM -0800, gary hughes wrote: > Just tried to use the Windows version of Ovation Pro > at work (Windows 2000), but the installation fails - > can't set a registry key (system blocks it). Is there > any way to get around this, as I'd like to test it out > and give some feedback on its performance on Win2000? Due to Windows 2000's security model you will not be able to install Ovation Pro (and other software) unless you have the right administrative priviledges. This is not a fault with Windows 2000; it is a multi-user operating system and as such needs to have restrictions on what you as a user (not an administrator) can do to the system. As the registry is key to the use of the machine only administrators can access certain parts of it. The only way to get around it is to change the locations that OP/win32 looks for in the registry and being unsure of it's registry requirements - I've only just started following this thread - I'm not sure how easy that would be. Certain things need to be put in system wide registry sections so that all users can get access to them. Or, depending on the type of company you work for (!), get your friendly IT chap to install it for you or (unlikely) give you admin privs temporarily so you can install it. -- T./ | web : http://www.bryans.org/toby/ | key : http://www.bryans.org/toby/keys/bryans.txt | fun : http://www.elesoc.org/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 13:27:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046343901:10:24146:219".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:27:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046343901:10:24146:219; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:05:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1126598; 27 Feb 2003 11:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oLgb-0000wF-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:54:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RAsRl04212 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:54:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RAsRI04206 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:54:27 GMT Received: from south-frm.demon.co.uk ([80.177.26.219] helo=dormant) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18oLgI-0003W9-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:54:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:53:46 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <4bc9b71e3csimon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > At some point I'll sell a version on CD specifically for Acorn > users. > > What might be on that CD? Perhaps the latest (32 bit) RISC OS version of > the OP CD. It's probable that it will include True Type versions of all > the Beebug fonts supplied with Ovation. > > What else would you like? Examples (from the various people here?) of different document layouts and text on them to explain how it was done and how to print them? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 13:27:21 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046345166:10:06486:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:27:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046345166:10:06486:44; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:26:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1128104; 27 Feb 2003 11:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oLue-0003Mm-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:09:16 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RB9E308525 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:09:14 GMT Received: from web10001.mail.yahoo.com (web10001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1RB9DO08511 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:09:13 GMT Message-ID: <20030227110912.58339.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.11.48.37] by web10001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:09:12 PST Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:09:12 -0800 (PST) From: gary hughes Subject: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version registry problem To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi Just tried to use the Windows version of Ovation Pro at work (Windows 2000), but the installation fails - can't set a registry key (system blocks it). Is there any way to get around this, as I'd like to test it out and give some feedback on its performance on Win2000? bye Gary __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 13:27:25 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046346595:10:17803:88".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:27:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046346595:10:17803:88; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:49:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018287; 27 Feb 2003 11:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oMWF-0001M7-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:48:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RBm0a19354 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:48:00 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RBm0d19349 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:48:00 GMT Received: from [62.188.108.69] (helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oMWD-0003PR-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:48:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:46:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bcb4f5451rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4bca94d20crayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <2epZnBQkHCX+Ew+K@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4bcb0add0erayfavre@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >The X/Y gaps work as you would expect on the OP-originated > >document but not on the Impression-authored OP document. > Even if the frames are in the wrong place, you're saying that > increasing the gaps has no effect? That's what I'm saying, m'lud. > I would have been inclined to do the save as DDL, reload DDL > manoeuvre. Tried that but the resulting document (which is over 300 pages and has 44 'chapters, see below) then has far too many variations from the original. I should stress that using !TransImp gives an OP result which *looks* pretty faithful to the original and it is only this printing thingy which is causing a problem. It is this 'good looking' doc which I subjected to the 'DDL and back' trial. > Presumably you can visually check the position of the frames. > Of course you make me curious to see the document. Ahah! I felt it would be better for you to make the first move on that! I'd be more than happy to send it to you off the email list (600Kbyte approx zipped) - but it is the 300+ page "Dr Wimp's Surgery" book, and that's a lot, potentially, for you to go through ........ Your call! -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 13:27:26 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046348353:10:08709:92".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:27:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046348353:10:08709:92; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:19:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1105352; 27 Feb 2003 12:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oMw6-0005vP-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:14:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RCDe926967 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:13:40 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RCDdH26960 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:13:39 GMT Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.253.76.46]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030227121333.CFSX21530.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:13:33 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030227114726.00b81338@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:06:31 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version In-Reply-To: <9ae2eaca4b.jms@ntlworld.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 17:29 26.2.03 +0000, you wrote: >In message <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> > John Waddell wrote: > >snipped > > Thanks. I will experiment further. For the present I have locked the > info > > palette to the inside left hand window edge, immediately underneath the > > button bar (now 2 rows!) and the toolbox, vertical once more is locked to > > the inside left hand window edge immediately under the info palette. Now > > when I maximise and then minimise the window, the tools stay in the same > > place inside the window. I made the left hand margin 10mm which gives the > > first line of text just to the right of the right hand edge of the toolbox > > - I suppose experimentation is presently needed depending on the screen > > size being used to obtain the best layout. No doubt you will find a > neater > > solution in due course. > > > > Would it be possible to make the default window size of opened documents > > customisable? > > >snipped > > > > -- > > John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire > >All the toolbar buttons can be placed on the button bar from the macros >window and to be honest I have always had the info pallete turned off >to give a larger on screen view of the document. > >-- >John Sandford West Herts UK Yes I had considered this - I had already had a scour through to see whether all the info palette icons could go on the button bar, but no. I 'like' the toolbar top left, simply because that is where it seems always to be in the stuff I use (!Draw etc). Couldn't do without the info palette, particularly when pin point accuracy is needed for locating lines, text and picture boxes - one reason why I am 'dead keen' to see tables in OvPro! I have a 17" monitor IIYama Diamondtron which I display at 1280 X 1024 and which gives me an entire A4 page on screen with plenty space around or a comfortable full facing 2 times A4 pages layout. I noted David's comment about not being able to lay out the button bar like 'Word' because of the risk of commercial criticism for copying but of course, if David simply provided, in the macro facility, all the icons on the info palette, not just some of them - one could do what one wanted personally without such a risk!!??!! This might be a neat solution? I appreciate this could be complicated since the icons on the info palette change depending on the process in which one is engaged. (I fell in love with the word 'one' after Billy Connolly's comments that he had said to his wife that "He loved one and would like to give one one!) >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > >Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 13:27:39 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046349962:10:25363:94".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:27:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046349962:10:25363:94; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:46:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ai1119521; 27 Feb 2003 12:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oN57-00083i-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:24:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RCNiq29719 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:23:44 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RCNhV29716 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:23:43 GMT Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.253.76.37]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20030227122336.CHOJ21530.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:23:36 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030227121419.00b32bc8@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:22:34 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing In-Reply-To: <4bcb4f5451rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bca94d20crayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <2epZnBQkHCX+Ew+K@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4bcb0add0erayfavre@argonet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_5543871==_" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist --=====================_5543871==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:46 27.2.03 +0000, you wrote: >big snip > > Of course you make me curious to see the document. > >Ahah! I felt it would be better for you to make the first move on >that! > >I'd be more than happy to send it to you off the email list (600Kbyte >approx zipped) - but it is the 300+ page "Dr Wimp's Surgery" book, >and that's a lot, potentially, for you to go through ........ > >Your call! Which comment reminded me of the following conversation! which - another experiment - is in the form of an as yet to be tidied up OvPro for windows attachment! 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--=====================_5543871==_-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 13:36:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046352775:10:19808:81".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:36:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046352775:10:19808:81; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:32:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019234; 27 Feb 2003 13:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oNwr-0005Z9-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:19:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RDJ2G14387 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:19:02 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RDJ1814380 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:19:01 GMT Received: from riscpc.at.home ([81.96.73.236]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030227131856.KVXO4022.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:18:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:18:49 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version Message-ID: <9ec057cb4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <20030220062917.64933.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030224005156.00b84730@mail.which.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030226103400.00b24180@mail.which.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030227114726.00b81338@mail.which.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030227114726.00b81338@mail.which.net> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02S) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, John Waddell wrote: > (I fell in love with the word 'one' after Billy Connolly's comments that > he had said to his wife that "He loved one and would like to give one > one!) IIRC, the exchange went "One loves one" "One reciprocates with ardour" "One would like to give one one" :-) Total class! John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 13:36:44 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046352474:10:10913:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:36:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046352474:10:10913:66; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:27:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1010336; 27 Feb 2003 13:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oNyD-00066J-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:21:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RDL3M15001 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:21:03 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RDL3V14998 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:21:03 GMT Received: from riscpc.at.home ([81.96.73.236]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030227132058.KYLW4022.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:20:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:20:57 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing Message-ID: References: <4bca94d20crayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <2epZnBQkHCX+Ew+K@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4bcb0add0erayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030227121419.00b32bc8@mail.which.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030227121419.00b32bc8@mail.which.net> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02S) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, John Waddell wrote: > which - another experiment - is in the form of an as yet to be tidied up > OvPro for windows attachment! Naughty boy for sending an attachment, but I was pleased to see that it opened on RO OvnPro with no problem other than font substitution. Nice one, David! John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 22:29:35 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046369779:10:04523:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:29:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046369779:10:04523:59; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:16:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126554; 27 Feb 2003 18:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oSYW-0007mP-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:14:52 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RIESU10945 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:14:28 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RIERH10940 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:14:27 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030227181422.ZZBN4022.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:14:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:14:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030227121419.00b32bc8@mail.which.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Thu 27 Feb, John Waddell wrote: > At 11:46 27.2.03 +0000, you wrote: > >big snip > > > Of course you make me curious to see the document. > > > >Ahah! I felt it would be better for you to make the first move on > >that! > > > >I'd be more than happy to send it to you off the email list (600Kbyte > >approx zipped) - but it is the 300+ page "Dr Wimp's Surgery" book, > >and that's a lot, potentially, for you to go through ........ > > > >Your call! > > Which comment reminded me of the following conversation! > > which - another experiment - is in the form of an as yet to be tidied up > OvPro for windows attachment! (About 12K in size and quite funny so if > anyone wants it but can't open it, I am happy to forward it privately as > text) > > Enjoy. I did, thanks John. It sparks a question - can anyone provide a suitable definition line for the Mimemap file so the dpd file extension is automatically mapped to OvnPro file type? Better still can David get RISCOS Ltd to include it in their Mimetype file for the next version of Select (whenever that may be!)? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 22:29:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046378420:10:02179:118".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:29:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046378420:10:02179:118; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:40:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1003214; 27 Feb 2003 20:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oUcN-0004J4-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:26:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RKQs107927 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:26:54 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RKQrr07920 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:26:53 GMT Received: from [62.188.134.5] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oUcs-0004Jn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:27:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:13:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version registry problem Message-ID: <4bcb7dbc24steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20030227194700.54056.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030227122136.GA13486@elephant.localnet> <20030227194700.54056.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 27 Feb, gary hughes wrote: > I have however been able to install programs like > Amaya, Kmeleon and Opera 6 (though not Opera 7). > Apparently these don't make any changes to the > registry? Would it be possible to run Ovation Pro > without setting registry keys? Actually it's a restriction on changes to the *system* portion of the registry, the other programs may just be changing the user registry (i.e. it only affects *your* profile) -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 22:29:41 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046378441:10:02287:174".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:29:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046378441:10:02287:174; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:40:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004402; 27 Feb 2003 20:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oUcN-0004J3-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:26:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RKQqF07914 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:26:52 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RKQq407905 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:26:52 GMT Received: from [62.188.134.5] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oUcq-0004Jn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:27:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:12:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version registry problem Message-ID: <4bcb7d946csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20030227122136.GA13486@elephant.localnet> References: <20030227110912.58339.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> <20030227122136.GA13486@elephant.localnet> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 27 Feb, Toby Bryans wrote: > (!), get your friendly IT chap to install it for you or (unlikely) give > you admin privs temporarily so you can install it. Unlikely??? The sun rising in the west is more likely in many work situations. I'm fortunate - I *am* the IT chap :-) -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 22:29:43 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046384327:10:20555:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:29:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046384327:10:20555:46; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:18:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113308; 27 Feb 2003 22:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oWM5-00048B-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:18:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RMHpB02399 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:17:51 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RMHpg02395 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:17:51 GMT Received: from modem-461.ditto.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.115.205] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.10.11) id 18oWLe-0005GX-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:17:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:18:03 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - ImageExtnd Message-ID: References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > The throwbacks about multiple definitions would point to an applet or > script being run twice. Say if you managed to have two copies with > different names in the applets folder. Oh, right. Thanks very much David. I'll check up on this as well and post the results. Thanks again, -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 22:29:47 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046375407:20:19355:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:29:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046375407:20:19355:55; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:50:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2121438; 27 Feb 2003 19:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oU0A-0007cw-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:47:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RJl3031575 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:47:03 GMT Received: from web10004.mail.yahoo.com (web10004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.40]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1RJl2g31566 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:47:02 GMT Message-ID: <20030227194700.54056.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.11.48.37] by web10004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:47:00 PST Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:47:00 -0800 (PST) From: gary hughes Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version registry problem To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <20030227122136.GA13486@elephant.localnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi --- Toby Bryans wrote: > ... > Due to Windows 2000's security model you will not be > able to install > Ovation Pro (and other software) unless you have the > right administrative > priviledges. > ... I have however been able to install programs like Amaya, Kmeleon and Opera 6 (though not Opera 7). Apparently these don't make any changes to the registry? Would it be possible to run Ovation Pro without setting registry keys? bye Gary __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 27 22:49:33 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046385867:10:06277:86".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:49:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046385867:10:06277:86; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:44:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007166; 27 Feb 2003 22:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oWlG-0004kw-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:44:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RMiDt06921 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:44:13 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RMiCu06916 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:44:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18oWlA-00041N-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:44:12 +0000 Message-ID: <$B6rQ9BrRpX+EwOu@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:42:51 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version registry problem References: <20030227122136.GA13486@elephant.localnet> <20030227194700.54056.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030227194700.54056.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >registry? Would it be possible to run Ovation Pro >without setting registry keys? Depends, do you want double click on a .dpd file to load it into OP? If so I believe I have to modify the registry. Some other things like setting up pointers to where the applets, program and filters are, I could get around. Another problem is the add/remove programs part of the Win control panel, again that depends on certain bits of info being in the registry. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 28 00:19:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046391430:20:02888:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:19:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046391430:20:02888:50; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:17:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002641; 28 Feb 2003 0:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oYCg-00026t-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:16:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1S0G6H21824 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:16:06 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1S0G6921820 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:16:06 GMT Received: from [62.188.112.251] (helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oYCe-0003Ug-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:16:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:15:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Oh Dear! I can't help but feel a right berk. When I fired things up again today, the 'thumbnail' printing problem had disappeared! I was able to use a large negative 'X gap' value to accurately position two scaled (70%) copies of the same page side by side on one A4 sheet, sideways. Q.E.D Why it refused to respond to this over the last couple of days I have no idea. I had kept notes of what I had done before (without success) and followed them again today (with success). I was so flabbergasted that I even started afresh with a new !TransImp OP document ....... .....and the success was repeated. I wish I knew what was going on - at my age I can ill-afford two days of wild goose chasing! Thanks for all the willing help. Shall I take up crochet instead? -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 28 01:09:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046394318:20:08737:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:09:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046394318:20:08737:51; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:05:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008348; 28 Feb 2003 1:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oYx6-0002TV-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:04:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1S14YU27761 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:04:34 GMT Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (marstons.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.223]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1S14XP27757 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:04:33 GMT Received: (qmail 11854 invoked by uid 10001); 28 Feb 2003 01:04:28 -0000 Received: from evanallen.plus.com (HELO barryrpc) (212.159.102.184) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2003 01:04:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:03:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bcb984b02barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Favre wrote: > I can't help but feel a right berk. I wonder if you know where the word 'berk' comes from? Would you be embarrassed if you knew? I am lead to believe that it is Cockney Rhyming slang. 'Berk'ley Hunt :o))) -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 28 01:49:37 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046396694:10:24002:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:49:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046396694:10:24002:58; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:44:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103880; 28 Feb 2003 1:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oZZo-0007ct-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:44:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1S1i4e31780 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:44:04 GMT Received: from web10004.mail.yahoo.com (web10004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.40]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1S1i3q31777 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:44:03 GMT Message-ID: <20030228014402.5820.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.36.54.22] by web10004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:44:02 PST Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:44:02 -0800 (PST) From: gary hughes Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version registry problem To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <$B6rQ9BrRpX+EwOu@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi --- David Pilling wrote: > ... > Depends, do you want double click on a .dpd file to > load it into OP? If > so I believe I have to modify the registry. > > Some other things like setting up pointers to where > the applets, program > and filters are, I could get around. > > Another problem is the add/remove programs part of > the Win control > panel, again that depends on certain bits of info > being in the registry. > ... I was looking at Steven Pampling's comment on this - "Actually it's a restriction on changes to the *system* portion of the registry, the other programs may just be changing the user registry (i.e. it only affects *your* profile)". Is it possible to achieve the above results by modifying the user registry? I wish I knew just what differences there are between the *system* and user portions of the registry. bye Gary __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 28 02:09:42 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046398022:20:26718:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:09:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046398022:20:26718:47; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:07:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026772; 28 Feb 2003 2:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oZv5-0001Xc-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:06:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1S26XD01962 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:06:33 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1S26Xi01959 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:06:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18oZuy-0008BF-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:06:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:05:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version registry problem References: <$B6rQ9BrRpX+EwOu@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20030228014402.5820.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030228014402.5820.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I was looking at Steven Pampling's comment on this - >"Actually it's a restriction on changes to the >*system* portion of the >registry, the other programs may just be changing the >user registry >(i.e. >it only affects *your* profile)". > >Is it possible to achieve the above results by >modifying the user registry? I wish I knew just what >differences there are between the *system* and user >portions of the registry. I bow to Steven's greater knowledge on this... I suspect the .dpd info is going into what you'd call the system registry. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 28 13:43:16 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046424775:20:19025:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:43:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046424775:20:19025:65; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:32:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag2109284; 28 Feb 2003 9:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ogma-0006Xx-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:26:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1S9Pkn19647 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:25:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1S9Pks19638 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:25:46 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18ogm1-0002eq-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:25:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:53:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing Message-ID: <4bcb9750c5john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> References: <4bca5393b0rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4bcb93d39drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 28 Feb, Ray Favre wrote: > Shall I take up crochet instead? You obviously haven't tried crochet if you think it's a simple alternative! ;-) -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 28 13:43:17 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046425713:20:07699:193".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:43:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046425713:20:07699:193; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:48:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010016; 28 Feb 2003 9:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oh2E-0008Iv-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:42:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1S9gRb23650 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:42:27 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1S9gQ023645 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:42:26 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust22.tnt15.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.124.22] with SMTP for id KAA08539 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:39:20 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002501c2df05$abe55840$caa274d5@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" Subject: Extensions was: Re: [softwarelist] Side by side printing Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:44:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:14 PM, Anthony Hilton wrote: > It sparks a question - can anyone provide a suitable definition line > for the Mimemap file so the dpd file extension is automatically > mapped to OvnPro file type? Better still can David get RISCOS Ltd to > include it in their Mimetype file for the next version of Select > (whenever that may be!)? I am not sure, that adding such a line will do the job ... At least, the the networking program has to make use of Mimemap. I can't speak for the IYONIX or Select above 4.29. (In previous OS's) Omniclient, LanMan98 (1.16 in my case) and Smbserver come with their own mapping files. Same is true for the emulators Virtual Acorn and Red Squirrel. These mapping files need updating, each in their own way ... Since I did my own research recently, maybe the summary will be of use. With correct mappings, there is no need at all to add an extension /xxx in RISC OS. In LanMan98 'no types' has to be ticked, when a Windows share is used. Here it goes. A. Which files? Text file Extensions in !Omni.Files 2 entries: Ro->Windows (Default) and Windows->RO (Reverse mappings) Obey file (drop in !Edit to edit it) in !LanMan98.Mappings 1 entry: windows extension to RISC OS filetype (&number) Text file in !smbserver.Resources.FileTypes 1 entry : RISC OS filetype (0x+number) to Windows extension In emulators RS (and also in VA, I think): go to windows menu bar 'Tools'-->Options-->hostfs Extensions add like offered in this window. Every program has its own format or layout ... B. How to find hex numbers (&xxx) for RISC OS filetypes? To find the hex numbers without help of other programs: 1) look in !Boot for the lines: Filetype_ 2) after program has seen by the filer: open CLI (f12 or Taskwindow) and type *Show File$T*. This gives a list of all *currently* known filetypes. This list can be saved from a Taskwindow. C. What extension to use in Windows? Some are known or are given by Ovation Pro. The RISC OS hex number can also be used. This will appear in windows as .xxx (period xxx) and not as ,xxx (comma xxx). The 'comma xxx' is added by e.g. LanMan98 and/or Omniclient in special circumstances, where it also remains, when a file is seen in a Windows filer window ... D. Useful extensions, related to Ovation Pro RO hex Windows extension =========================== Ovation Pro b24 : csc,b24 b25 : ddl,b25 b26 : dps,b26 b27 : dpd,b27 Draw aff : aff,drw BTW: this is also recognised by Fireworkz for Windows, (Corel) XARA, OakDraw and others. Sprites ff9 : ff9,spr Ovation cdc : ovs,cdc cdd : ovd,cdd PostScript output, EPS, Type1 font file ff5 : ps,ff5,eps,pfb Impression bc5 : bc5 707 : ddf,707 How to proceed in Windows, optional steps. ================================ In Windows some of these extensions can be connected to be opened with a program: like bc5 (Impdoc) with Ovation Pro. You can do this as follows: Double click on a .bc5 file --> connect this to Ovation Pro and switch on 'always'. You can also change the name .bc5 File by opening Folder Options-->Filetype go to bc5, Advanced--> change 'description' from bc5 file to Impdoc. When you are unhappy with the connection, that you made, it can be removed in Folder Options-->Filetype, go to extension -->Advanced-->Remove At least, that's the way it can be done in Win2000. Maybe a bit differently in other OS's. It works in my case. And I am glad I have done 'the work'. But there are many different versions of OS's in RISC OS and Windows and several versions of emulators and networking programs. However, all of these steps above can be undone without harm. As I have experienced myself. Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 28 13:43:27 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046426310:10:26614:94".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:43:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046426310:10:26614:94; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:58:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1108684; 28 Feb 2003 9:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ohGI-0005Mo-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:57:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1S9uv127028 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:56:57 GMT Received: from bryans.org (www.bryans.org [195.149.46.231]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h1S9uvN27024 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:56:57 GMT Received: (qmail 24363 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Feb 2003 09:56:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:56:55 +0000 From: Toby Bryans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP - Windows version registry problem Message-ID: <20030228095655.GA24184@elephant.localnet> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net References: <$B6rQ9BrRpX+EwOu@pilling.demon.co.uk> <20030228014402.5820.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030228014402.5820.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hello! > Is it possible to achieve the above results by modifying the user registry? > I wish I knew just what differences there are between the *system* and user > portions of the registry. The registry is used to store user settings as well as system settings. User settings are stored in your profile on a per user basis and are loaded when you login (specifically the key HKEY_CURRENT_USER). This is only writable by the user when they are logged in. System settings are (generally) stored in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT and HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE which are always available so that programs that run even when no user is logged in (these are generally called "services") have access to them. These are only writable by administrators. If a program wants to store settings that are available to all users then it needs to store them in the system registry. This requires administrative priviledges on the machine. Some settings, unfortunatly, need to be stored in this section, such as filetypes, as David has already mentioned. There is quite a good guide here: http://www.winguides.com/article.php?id=1&page=2&guide=registry ... which explains about the different sections of the registry in greater depth than I have above. Can you tell I have spent some time writing InstallShields? ;). (And, yes, Steve, I am the IT guy at my office too; no, I wouldn't let users have admin access either.) I hope this has helped a little! -- T./ | web : http://www.bryans.org/toby/ | key : http://www.bryans.org/toby/keys/bryans.txt | fun : http://www.elesoc.org/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 28 21:32:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046467897:10:13366:73".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:32:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046467897:10:13366:73; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:31:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013653; 28 Feb 2003 21:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18os6D-0001OU-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:31:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1SLUlT02376 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:30:47 GMT Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1SLUlx02373 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:30:47 GMT Received: from modem-1269.charizard.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.73.245] helo=lcessford.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18os5a-0007FE-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:30:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:27:55 GMT From: Alex Cessford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - MultipleDefs - Not Cured Message-ID: References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.61 (MsgServe/2.02) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > The throwbacks about multiple definitions would point to an applet or > script being run twice. Say if you managed to have two copies with > different names in the applets folder. I know about applets but don't know about scripts. I have never, (well knowingly at least!), used or interfered or otherwise handled scripts. I don't even know if I have any or where they might be! I have just spent a very long time deleting stuff, working in the following order: 1.I copied stuff, (back versions of OvPro, plus older applets collections), to my APDL DataSafe external drive, then deleted them from HardDisc4. 2. I emptied my copy of Rob Clark's !ApplXtr completely, nothing at all in it. 3. I looked at the applets held in !OvPro.Applets (version 2.70) and if I had a duplicate held by Rob's other app-manager, !Applets I deleted it from !Applets. 4. All the remaining applets held by !Applets were displayed in the left hand section only, (ie. shown as being 'Stored' but none shown as being 'Installed'. I didn't understand this as that state was not how things were last time I looked at it. I attempted to use !Applets own system to 'Install'< (ie. copy from left pane to right pane), but all such attempts threw up error saying 'not found'. So I gave up on that. 5. I compared the contents of !OvnPro.Applets in HardDisc4.DeskTopPub.!OvnPro.Applets - a version 2.70 with the contents of HardDisc4.DeskTopPub.V270.!OvnPro.Applets - a single backup copy of 2.70 one directory further down. Both the contents and the versions of each applet were identical. I am reasonably sure that all applets are the latest available versions, whether in !OvnPro.Applets or in !Applets. So, currently my harddisc now stores the above-mentioned two copies !OvnPro together with a single, empty copy of !ApplXtr and a single copy of !Applets holding something like eighty applets. There are no other copies of !OvnPro or applets or applet-managers anywhere on this harddisc. DeskTopPub.!OvnPro is set in Boot to be 'seen' at bootup. 6. Ctrl/F12 Shutdown. Power-off. Power-on/Bootup. 7. Launch DeskTopPub.!OvnPro. Result, very slow to load, large Throwback window produced, all complained about Multiple definition - these in relation to !MenuLib, PSsupport in Arrange,ColSupp, Fill, Grabber, OCharges, OEPS, OPCA, Ovation1 and Today. !OvnPro.Applets now holds Arrange, ColSupp, Fill, Grabber, OArtwrks, OCharges, OEPS, OPCA, Ovation1 and Today. All other applets are stored in !Applets. Having had the throwback appear again, I then launched !Applets and clicked on its iconbar icon to open its window. Very strange! Both left and righthand panes now are displaying applets! A test shows that the Remove and Install buttons work normally. I also notice that the applets stored in !OvnPro.Applets have msyteriously found their way back into !Applets, and independent, though related app, even though I know for certain that I deleted such duplicates from here before the Shutdown. Ok, so how about !ApplXtr ? Launch that. Yes, it too has somehow recaptured a selection of applets, but this time it is only the ten a applets in !OvnPro.Applets, and they are only displayed in the righthand Installed pane, the left, stored pane still being empty. Does this mean that I can have *all* applets held in !Applets, even if I don't load the app to iconbar, perhaps? Incidently, the ImageExtd problem has not reoccurred, thankfully. In case it is relevant, I am now using version 1.08 of OArtWrks. Sorry to drag this saga on rather, but I *have* tried to end it by acting upon advice offered. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 28 22:02:56 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046469550:20:24959:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:02:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046469550:20:24959:50; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:59:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023973; 28 Feb 2003 21:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18osWC-0005GT-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:58:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1SLw7H07489 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:58:07 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1SLw7x07485 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:58:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18osW6-000OeF-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:58:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:57:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Throwbacks - MultipleDefs - Not Cured References: <431750c54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <0c5bcfc54b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <9eb9e9c64b.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> <75e82dc74b.martin@mw-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > I know about applets but don't know about scripts. I have never, > (well knowingly at least!), used or interfered or otherwise handled > scripts. 'knowingly'... The trouble *is* that you've got 2 (or more) copies of some things. There are a number of ways of getting into that situation e.g. Copy the insides of one applet over the insides of another. Rename an applet and stick another copy (with the original name) inside the applets folder. > these in relation to !MenuLib, PSsupport in Arrange,ColSupp, Fill, Arrange doesn't have a PSSupport file in it - at least it is not supposed to. I can't see the files on your machine. I suspect if I could it would be enlightening. I'd be inclined to take a fresh copy of 2.6X off your CD, use the 2.70 upgrade from my web site on it. That should produce a working copy of OP, the rest you can throw away. Particularly Rob Clarks Applet manager. ("oooh just because you didn't write it...") If it doesn't produce a working copy then we know something else. Plan B would be to pick the first applet that raises a throwback error, and compare the files inside the copy in !OvnPro.Applets with the files inside a new copy. I suspect you'll find Remind me, where does !ApplXtr come from? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 28 23:42:59 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046475731:20:05042:105".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:42:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046475731:20:05042:105; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:42:11 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127072; 28 Feb 2003 23:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ou8T-0002Qg-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:41:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1SNfHd24791 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:41:17 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1SNfHa24788 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:41:17 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030228234116.LILN3191.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:41:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:26:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] OvnPro on WinME To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I downloaded the windows version (reports 2.70 27 Feb 2003) and ran it on WinME. The font display is 'interesting' for Arial substituted for Homerton and EFF LondonA TrueType (from their ProCD2). Spacing is very wide - takes about 3 times the width it should. The letter widths are correct. When I tried with some files generated on RISC OS (December 2001 I think it was) my son commented that all of every page looked like word searches. I have tried some variations: DDL file (saved on RISCOS), text file loaded into Styelsheet OvnPro.exe show the same text problem and hang OvnPro (Ctrl-Alt-Del indicates OvnPro.exe, or the document title, is not responding so I End Task). Opening a new document and typing in shows the same wide spaced text in the default Arial. Also if the file from RISC OS doesn't have a file extension Ovnpro.exe crashes when opening it. Add the extension and the file opens without crashing OvnPro.exe. Can you get OvnPro to load an un-typed file according to its contents - or the first line anyway? I also noticed that the Windows convention of holding shift while clicking the left mouse button doesn't select text, and the RISC OS right click does. I think it is necessary to include the Windows convention if you are aiming for new customers. Are you planning to adopt the Windows style multiple document windows within one application window? Or could you make Opening (from the file menu) a document replace the default Document1 instead of opening another window. It would also be logical to provide an Open button on the button bar (wouldn't match RISC OS but we don't have the File Open option here anyway). It is very encouraging to see the progress you are making with the Windows version. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Mar 1 02:53:06 2003 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1046486875:20:11597:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 02:53:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1046486875:20:11597:62; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 02:47:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011675; 1 Mar 2003 2:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ox2Q-0003r1-00; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 02:47:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h212lGJ14390 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 02:47:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h212lFs14387 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 02:47:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ox1u-000A5x-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2003 02:47:15 +0000 Message-ID: <2rnJKyLj7BY+Ew1A@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 02:45:55 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvnPro on WinME References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I downloaded the windows version (reports 2.70 27 Feb 2003) and ran it on >WinME. Just to update you. Last weeks effort was blighted by a memory bug, which meant it would fall over for some people, work for others, and was just generally unreliable. The 27 Feb version has the bug fixed, so offers more hope of working. However I've still not got W9X working properly. I can tell you that by using OP text choices, unticking 'unicode' and then save choices, quit, rerun, you should get reasonable results on W9X, however font matching is wrong, so the bold variation on Arial or whatever will come out strange. >LondonA TrueType (from their ProCD2). Spacing is very wide - takes about 3 >times the width it should. Turn off Unicode... >crashes when opening it. Add the extension and the file opens without >crashing OvnPro.exe. Can you get OvnPro to load an un-typed file according to >its contents - or the first line anyway? Good idea. > >I also noticed that the Windows convention of holding shift while clicking >the left mouse button doesn't select text, and the RISC OS right click does. >I think it is necessary to include the Windows convention if you are aiming >for new customers. Another good idea, I didn't know about that Windows convention. >Are you planning to adopt the Windows style multiple document windows within >one application window? It may come to that. As I said, the program is going to set off close to the RISC OS version, and move away to more standard Windows behaviour. For the moment I have serious issues to confront, fiddling with cosmetic matters can wait. Although it will have to be done (as you say) to make the program appeal to Windows users. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net