From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 2 03:06:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036205990:20:22594:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:06:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036205990:20:22594:50; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 02:59:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022649; 2 Nov 2002 2:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187oUw-0004Jz-00; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 02:58:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA22urg17286 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:56:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA22uqj17283 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:56:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 187oSk-0004uq-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 02:56:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:55:07 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] 32 bit news References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8eb3eff2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, I've put up some thoughts about 32 bit versions on my web site www.davidpilling.net/news.html For now this is all I know. More information will come to light. But some of it is for sure - don't mix 26 and 32 bit applets in OP, remember that... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 2 13:31:24 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036223537:10:29583:90".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:31:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036223537:10:29583:90; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 07:52:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1101216; 2 Nov 2002 7:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 187t3h-00016s-00; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 07:51:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA27oLl30771 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:50:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mail.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.87.95.38]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA27oJn30765 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:50:19 GMT Received: from localhost (ppp-188.cust203-87-120.ghr.chariot.net.au [203.87.120.188]) by mail.chariot.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 00AD717FF6E for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:19:58 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:43:14 +1030 From: Peter Prewett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] OP changing fonts Message-ID: <007a648d4b.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00e) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I was editing an RTF, from a web site, and changing the font Homerton to Trinity medium. I was operating on each section in turn and when the selection was over a page boundary some of the text became outlined and some text remained highlighted. I needed to do a screen redraw via F12 or do a page up or down to clear the display. Is this usual!! I am using OP 2.67 with Select 4.29 Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 2 13:31:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036225589:10:02146:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:31:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036225589:10:02146:42; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:26:29 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002078; 2 Nov 2002 8:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 187tb4-00024W-00; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:25:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA28PB932705 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:25:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA28PAi32702 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:25:10 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021102082455.FKUW27595.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:24:55 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:24:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 32 bit news To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 02 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've put up some thoughts about 32 bit versions on my web site > www.davidpilling.net/news.html I know Marcel is old and not getting much (if any) upgrade attention at present - please could I request people put the http:// in URLs so that Marcel will highlight them as links. There are various workarounds available but highlighting in the body of a mail message is so much more convenient. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 2 13:31:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036225925:10:07405:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:31:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036225925:10:07405:61; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:32:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007318; 2 Nov 2002 8:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187th3-0002Z7-00; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:31:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA28V6T00575 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:31:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA28V5Y00572 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:31:05 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021102083050.FPCK27595.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:30:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:30:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP changing fonts To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <007a648d4b.pprewett@chariot.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Wed 30 Oct, Peter Prewett wrote: > I was editing an RTF, from a web site, and changing the font Homerton to > Trinity medium. > > I was operating on each section in turn and when the selection was over > a page boundary some of the text became outlined and some text remained > highlighted. I needed to do a screen redraw via F12 or do a page up or > down to clear the display. > > Is this usual!! > > I am using OP 2.67 with Select 4.29 I have been seeing this sort of effect in Opro for a long time - certainly 2.5x up to 2.67 on various versions of RISC OS (3.5, 3.7, 4.29, 4.32 - I never had 3.6 and didn't use 4.02 for any length of time before installing 4.29). I hadn't asociated it before with a selection crossing a page boundary but the latest time I saw it was across a page boundary. Any editing which involves highlighting a block of text, making a change and un-highlighting the text can cause this. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 17:28:36 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036272860:20:19408:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:28:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036272860:20:19408:70; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:34:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100888; 2 Nov 2002 21:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1885to-0003k2-00; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:33:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA2LXVJ12469 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:33:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA2LXUe12466 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:33:30 GMT Received: from [80.40.72.101] (helo=ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1885tB-0008bW-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:33:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 21:11:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8eb8ef80docmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b8e39c617steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8e39c617steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 31 Oct, Steven Pampling wrote: > The Iomega web site has a link for people with VIA chipsets and problems > with such things. The problem applies to more than just Zip drives but the > link from Iomega is easy to find. > "Busmaster drivers" is the issue. Thanks. I'll check there again to see if there's something I missed last time I tried. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 17:28:37 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036273872:20:05975:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:28:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036273872:20:05975:43; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:51:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129997; 2 Nov 2002 21:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18868F-00029E-00; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:48:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA2LnUi13526 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:49:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA2LnTp13522 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:49:29 GMT Received: from [80.40.75.35] (helo=ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1886BV-000C2K-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:52:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:40:14 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8f44da51docmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b8eb4bbd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b8e331c1cdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8e3a4241steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8eb4bbd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 01 Nov, Steven Pampling wrote: > > It really comes down to which you prefer to use, so it's essential to go > > to shops and try them out. > I was talking principally to John, who I know to work for the NHS (last I > knew), and I think I can state that most NHS establishments run NT/2000 > domains with machines locked up tighter than a ducks nether regions. I still work for the NHS** Compatibility with my MS Office software is very important to me, and as such I looked at the available offerings today and bought myself a fairly cheap one ... The Packard Bell handheld for 248ukp. Now I need to go hunting for a Database app for it (can't be doing with that Excel thingy on the handheld) John ** As one of those 'lazy consultants' I of course only work when I can't avoid it ... don't start me off about the Press and the rejection of the New Contract. 8-) John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 17:28:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036276359:20:18019:128".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:28:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036276359:20:18019:128; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:32:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2115511; 2 Nov 2002 22:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1886nh-0004XO-00; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:31:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA2MWMC16426 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:32:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA2MWMS16423 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:32:22 GMT Received: from [213.116.56.91] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1886oD-0004sT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:32:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 07:47:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 32 bit news Message-ID: <4b8ef8983asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8eb3eff2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 02 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've put up some thoughts about 32 bit versions on my web site > www.davidpilling.net/news.html > For now this is all I know. More information will come to light. But > some of it is for sure - don't mix 26 and 32 bit applets in OP, remember > that... OP32 needs someway of distinguishing between them to try and stop daft users. We will do it, you know we will... -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 17:28:41 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036321951:20:28638:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:28:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036321951:20:28638:43; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 11:12:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028593; 3 Nov 2002 11:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 188Iet-0000qF-00; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 11:11:11 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA3BBiT32729 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:11:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA3BBiY32726 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:11:44 GMT Received: from g1rcw.demon.co.uk ([193.237.116.170] helo=g1rcw) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 188If5-00009i-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 11:11:24 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 11:08:03 GMT From: John Chetwynd To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8eb3eff2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.32) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > >Should I suggest that people preface items relating to Windows stuff with a > >[WIN] in the subject so that people can filter them out? > > Good idea. > > So who saw my software running on a 32 bit RISC OS machine at the show? > > (he said, trying to get back on topic) > I did! It was the main application being demonstrated, from what I could see. Default screen resolution was 1600x1200 16M colours. It looked very impressive. It chocked a bit bit when I asked the guy to go up a size (1920x1440), it took a couple of seconds to do a complete redraw of the background graphic and the icon bar. But then it is only an alpha release. I think I know what my next machine will be. -- John Chetwynd RiscPC, 200MHz StrongARM, RISC OS 4.32 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 17:28:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036340850:20:16599:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:28:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036340850:20:16599:62; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 16:27:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104754; 3 Nov 2002 16:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 188Na8-0003Qn-00; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 16:26:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA3GQUD27355 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:26:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA3GQTT27352 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:26:29 GMT Received: from [62.188.154.95] (helo=62.188.154.95) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 188NZf-00051T-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 16:26:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 15:04:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Barcode applet Message-ID: <4b8fa47eb8charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , John P. Kerslake wrote: > When sending letters abroad wdoes anyone have a list of country prefixes? > thanks I don't understand the question. Telephone numbers have a country prefix, e-mails generally have a country suffix, but this is part of the address, so you should be given it by the person to whom you are writing. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 17:28:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036359748:20:14200:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:28:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036359748:20:14200:47; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:42:28 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121282; 3 Nov 2002 21:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 188ST6-0004td-00; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:39:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA3Le7827431 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:40:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA3Le6w27428 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:40:06 GMT Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 188STA-0007U6-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:39:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:40:06 +0000 (GMT) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sun 03 Nov, John Chetwynd wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > >Should I suggest that people preface items relating to Windows stuff with a > > >[WIN] in the subject so that people can filter them out? > > > > Good idea. > > > > So who saw my software running on a 32 bit RISC OS machine at the show? > > > > (he said, trying to get back on topic) > > > I did! It was the main application being demonstrated, from what I could > see. Default screen resolution was 1600x1200 16M colours. It looked very > impressive. It chocked a bit bit when I asked the guy to go up a size > (1920x1440), it took a couple of seconds to do a complete redraw of the > background graphic and the icon bar. But then it is only an alpha > release. > Yes, it looked good, however, the text line still flickered as you typed! I had hoped that the extra speed might have made this less noticable. (Says he, swanking because he touch-types - very inaccurately - and so does notice this!) Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 17:28:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036375561:20:06935:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:28:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036375561:20:06935:45; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 02:06:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006478; 4 Nov 2002 2:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 188Wb3-0003o0-00; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 02:04:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA424x626816 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 02:04:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA424vk26813 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 02:04:58 GMT Received: from 53-1-080.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.66.80] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 188WbR-0005ko-00 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:04:33 +0900 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:50:13 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Barcode applet To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b8fa47eb8charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sun 03 Nov, charles.hope wrote: > > In article , > John P. Kerslake wrote: > > When sending letters abroad wdoes anyone have a list of country prefixes? > > thanks > > I don't understand the question. Telephone numbers have a country prefix, > e-mails generally have a country suffix, but this is part of the address, > so you should be given it by the person to whom you are writing. > Check the post subject, Charles... ;-) Ian -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 17:29:03 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036437818:20:23818:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:29:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036437818:20:23818:46; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:23:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123898; 4 Nov 2002 19:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 188mmj-0002h2-00; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:21:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA4JM0q14995 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:22:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA4JM0F14987 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:22:00 GMT Received: from modem-115.rhenium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.57.115] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 188mmx-0002Jc-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:21:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:46:28 +0000 (GMT) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Barcode applet To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b8fa47eb8charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JPK, Bangor.Pager 07626-235878 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sun 03 Nov, charles.hope wrote: > > In article , > John P. Kerslake wrote: > > When sending letters abroad wdoes anyone have a list of country prefixes? > > thanks > > I don't understand the question. Telephone numbers have a country prefix, > e-mails generally have a country suffix, but this is part of the address, > so you should be given it by the person to whom you are writing. > > Sorry I shall rephrase the question:- The barcode applet generates a barcode of the postcode/zip code. There is a box for "International prefix". What code / name do i need to enter to get the letter directed to xxyyaa in canadia etc and not xxyyaa in the UK. The main point of adding a barcode is to let the sorting equipment sort the mail without needing human help. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, 21 Glantraeth, Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1HQ. "phone" 01248 - 353264 RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 17:29:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036272849:10:15159:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:29:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036272849:10:15159:46; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:34:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113452; 2 Nov 2002 21:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1885to-0003k1-00; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:33:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA2LXZY12477 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:33:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA2LXZZ12474 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:33:35 GMT Received: from [80.40.72.101] (helo=ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1885tF-0008bW-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:33:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 21:13:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8eb9085ddocmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 01 Nov, Brian Howlett wrote: > > It's a 663AS ULTRA with the VIA KT-133A chipset. > > > > Come to think of it that probably explains why I sometimes have > > problems with my Soundblaster card (I never got on very well with the > > onboard sound for some reason) > > > Rapidly getting even further OT... Try downloading the latest 4-in-1 > drivers from Thanks. I'll try that. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 17:29:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036273987:10:02596:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:29:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036273987:10:02596:50; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:53:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002378; 2 Nov 2002 21:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1886BW-0002Df-00; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:52:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA2LqrE13735 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:52:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA2Lqrb13732 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:52:53 GMT Received: from [62.188.133.102] (helo=62.188.133.102) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1886Bz-0004Ah-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:52:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:52:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8f45fb78charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8eb3eff2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Should I suggest that people preface items relating to Windows stuff > >with a [WIN] in the subject so that people can filter them out? > Good idea. > So who saw my software running on a 32 bit RISC OS machine at the show? > (he said, trying to get back on topic) I did. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 17:29:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036329118:10:28576:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:29:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036329118:10:28576:49; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 13:11:58 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102366; 3 Nov 2002 13:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 188KXF-0001bE-00; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 13:11:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA3DBHA10144 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:11:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA3DBHK10140 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:11:17 GMT Received: from modem-110.osmium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.57.238] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 188KWm-00055j-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 13:10:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:10:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: [softwarelist] Barcode applet To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JPK, Bangor.Pager 07626-235878 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist When sending letters abroad wdoes anyone have a list of country prefixes? thanks -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, 21 Glantraeth, Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1HQ. "phone" 01248 - 353264 RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 19:48:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036525092:10:26133:78".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:48:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036525092:10:26133:78; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:38:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026431; 5 Nov 2002 19:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1899W8-0007eK-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:37:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA5Jbf815025 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:37:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5JbeN15022 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:37:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1899Vg-000Nyd-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:37:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:36:05 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Barcode applet References: <4b8fa47eb8charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Sorry I shall rephrase the question:- The barcode applet generates a >barcode of the postcode/zip code. There is a box for "International prefix". >What code / name do i need to enter to get the letter directed to xxyyaa >in canadia etc and not xxyyaa in the UK. The main point of adding a barcode >is to let the sorting equipment sort the mail without needing human help. I've no idea. My feeling is that the UK PO put in a prefix field in the hope that the system would be standardised and adopted world wide. Again I feel that has not come to pass. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 5 22:58:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036536511:20:24493:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:58:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036536511:20:24493:45; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:48:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024002; 5 Nov 2002 22:48 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189CTv-00047f-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:47:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA5MlXV04665 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:47:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5MlWW04662 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:47:32 GMT Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-234.spectraweb.ch [194.230.116.234]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id gA5Mktt07696 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:46:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:43:22 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Barcode applet To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tue 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >Sorry I shall rephrase the question:- The barcode applet generates a > >barcode of the postcode/zip code. There is a box for "International prefix". > >What code / name do i need to enter to get the letter directed to xxyyaa > >in canadia etc and not xxyyaa in the UK. The main point of adding a barcode > >is to let the sorting equipment sort the mail without needing human help. > > I've no idea. My feeling is that the UK PO put in a prefix field in the > hope that the system would be standardised and adopted world wide. Again > I feel that has not come to pass. By pure chance I found a very old document in my late Mother's estate a few days ago. It dates from the time shortly after that a postal coding was introduced in Switzerland. The document advises how one should insert the postal coding within an address. And also states that as an "International prefix" one should use the same abbreviation as used for motor vehicles. GB for Great Britain, CDN=Canada, NL=Netherlands, etc. To be added as follows: GB code (name of town) GB - 1234abc (name of town) Nevertheless, I believe David Pilling's conclusion is correct. Actually I never use the prefix "GB" for the UK, only the local postal code. Highly recommended as it speeds up the delivery. Snail mail from my home to a small village near Mildenhall now normally within 40 hours. Without barcode 3 days plus. -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 6 02:48:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036550881:10:15609:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:48:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036550881:10:15609:40; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:48:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015392; 6 Nov 2002 2:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189Fyf-0002fe-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:31:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA62Vk619793 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:31:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA62Vkg19790 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:31:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 189FyP-0004GH-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:31:17 +0000 Message-ID: <+apbmVXw6Hy9Ewrz@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:30:08 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] 32 Bit OP References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist From: "Richard Brown" Hi All I Spent all day using OP 32Bit on an Iyonix and had no problems moving a 17Mb Sprite around in it. Sorry didn't have time to try out other things too many people to show to. Thank you to all who came and made it a great day. Cheers Richard Brown -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 6 14:29:06 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036590467:20:22252:151".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:29:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036590467:20:22252:151; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:47:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024036; 6 Nov 2002 13:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189QVu-0002IJ-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:46:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA6Diqu22880 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:44:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6DioG22871 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:44:51 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id gA6DiNG3008219 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:44:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:42:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Who are they really from? Message-ID: <4b912872baray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <+apbmVXw6Hy9Ewrz@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <+apbmVXw6Hy9Ewrz@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Just as a matter of interest, all the messages from this list have the author as David Pilling and not the actual writer. It seems to be because the headers have From: David Pilling I think I have Pluto set up correctly for a mail list, but does anyone else get this? I've put the headers of a typical message below Cheers, Ray D In article <+apbmVXw6Hy9Ewrz@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > X-Sieve: cmu-sieve 2.0 > Return-Path: > Received: from server0053.freedom2surf.net (server0053.freedom2surf.net [194.106.56.142]) > by server0034.freedom2surf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA12634 > for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:32:17 GMT > Received: from mx4.123-reg.co.uk (mx0.123-reg.co.uk [212.67.202.216]) > by server0053.freedom2surf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU/f2s) with ESMTP id CAA03639 > for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:32:18 GMT > Received: from [212.69.192.6] (helo=smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net) > by mx4.123-reg.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) > id 189FzK-00086S-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:32:14 +0000 > Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) > by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) > id 189Fyg-0002fe-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:31:34 +0000 > Received: (from admin@localhost) > by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA62Vk619793 > for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:31:46 GMT > X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f > Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) > by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA62Vkg19790 > for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:31:46 GMT > Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) > by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) > id 189FyP-0004GH-0U > for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:31:17 +0000 > Message-ID: <+apbmVXw6Hy9Ewrz@pilling.demon.co.uk> > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:30:08 +0000 > To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > From: David Pilling > Subject: [softwarelist] 32 Bit OP > References: > > In-Reply-To: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed > User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) > Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > X-maillist: softwarelist -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 6 14:29:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036590947:20:08275:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:29:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036590947:20:08275:53; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:55:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2120212; 6 Nov 2002 13:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189Qe7-0002hK-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:55:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA6DrlD24788 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:53:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6Drkn24784 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:53:46 GMT Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.4.7.32]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021106135315.RWHB27595.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:53:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:53:10 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Who are they really from? Message-ID: References: <+apbmVXw6Hy9Ewrz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b912872baray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b912872baray@raydawson.com> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, Ray Dawson wrote: > Just as a matter of interest, all the messages from this list have the > author as David Pilling and not the actual writer. Here, most are correctly listed with the real author (MPro, in case it matters!). The only emails to appear to come from DP are those that *are* from DP, and those that he has kindly posted to the list despite being from addresses that aren't subscribed. It so happened that the message you replied to was such a reposted msg :-) Your email, however, had the correct headers: > From: Ray Dawson > To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:42:23 +0000 (GMT) > Subject: [softwarelist] Who are they really from? > Message-ID: <4b912872baray@raydawson.com> HTH, John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 6 14:48:37 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036593403:20:16780:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:48:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036593403:20:16780:68; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:36:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104046; 6 Nov 2002 14:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189RHg-0005JA-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:35:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA6EaQV00564 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:36:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6EaPI00559 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:36:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 189RHe-000ABi-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:35:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:34:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] colour correction References: <+apbmVXw6Hy9Ewrz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b912872baray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hello, Printing pictures (photographs) from Ovation to our QMS-2060 (b/w) and QMS-Minolta Magicolor 6110 (both poscript) gives always too dark results. Printing the same pictures from Illustrator or Photoshop gives complete different -but better- results, even without any colorprofile installed. We don't bother too much from the Adobe-applications, but we would be happy with satisfying results from Ovation. I know colourmanagement is a tricky thing, but perhaps somebody can give us some advice. The colour correction choices in Ovation don't influence the output. Perhaps we should make an other table (not 'typeset'), but where do we start? Thanks, Arnold -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 6 21:58:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036619554:20:01386:78".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:58:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036619554:20:01386:78; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 21:52:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001979; 6 Nov 2002 21:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 189Y4Q-0008OQ-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 21:50:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA6Lp0a09676 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:51:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from he103war.uk.vianw.net (he103war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.210]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6Lp0D09670 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:51:00 GMT Received: from [195.102.205.127] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he103war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 189Y39-0007i4-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 21:49:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 20:04:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Who are they really from? Message-ID: <4b914b6853chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4b912872baray@raydawson.com> References: <+apbmVXw6Hy9Ewrz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b912872baray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b912872baray@raydawson.com>, Ray Dawson wrote: > Just as a matter of interest, all the messages from this list have > the author as David Pilling and not the actual writer. It seems to > be because the headers have From: David Pilling > > I think I have Pluto set up correctly for a mail list, but does > anyone else get this? I've put the headers of a typical message > below Well, as you can see from the headers, I am using Pluto, and it correctly shows the true author (unless the message has been forwarded to the list by David himself, when it does indeed show David as the author). Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 6 23:08:52 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036623684:20:02898:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:08:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036623684:20:02898:66; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:01:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127721; 6 Nov 2002 23:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 189Z8R-00046n-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:58:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA6MxJF17379 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:59:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6MxJg17376 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:59:19 GMT Received: from [62.188.134.203] (helo=62.188.134.203) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189Z8E-00020u-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:58:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:50:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b9160177adavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8eb4bbd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b8e331c1cdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8e3a4241steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8eb4bbd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b8eb4bbd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > I stand by the comment, Palm OS offerings are *****, cheap but ***** If you like slow but colourful graphics, a questionable UI and lots of eye candy then the Pocket PC stuff is for you. Palm apps are faster, more compact and the UI enforces a lot of consitency (sounds a bit familier with another OS..). It looks as though the final fight with PDAs will be between Palm and MS. Dell are about to launch a range of PPC based PDAs so unless the newer Palms (see the Tungsten T for the first Arm based Palm) capture some of the platforms past glories its likely that MS will 'win' (and all the rest of us loose?). > Oh, and they are unlikely to ever be easy to synch with RO apps. If it wasn't for the World Scout Jamboree looming close (and taking a lot of time) we would have a new desktop diary, to do list, address book type app for Risc OS that is suited to syncing with PDAs. I've spent a lot of time looking at !Organizer and the others seeing if these are suited to syncing and reached the conclusion that !Organizer comes closest but would have meant loosing some data. I also wanted something that would support ical and icard files (so that we can share data with other users). Maybe I should sync with !Organizer just to get something out more quickly. The (sad) truth is that not a lot is likely to happen until the new year. All I can say is - the Palm formats are heavily documented and can already communicate with Risc OS (see !Palmlink). Syncing is also 'easy'. As far as I can tell the Psion/Symbian platform seems to be on the way out - even on mobile phones and the like - so I'm not sure it makes a solid investment to buy one of these (nice as they are). Indeed even Symbian can't decide what they are best at...see some of the more recent articles on www.theregister.com Lots of none OP stuff on this list at the moment - wonder why that is ;-} David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 6 23:48:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036626129:10:28332:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:48:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036626129:10:28332:66; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:42:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028319; 6 Nov 2002 23:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189Znv-0002IE-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:41:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA6NfQx22901 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:41:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6NfPD22898 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:41:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 189Zn3-0004rD-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:40:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:39:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <4b8e331c1cdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8e3a4241steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8eb4bbd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b9160177adavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b9160177adavidb@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Lots of none OP stuff on this list at the moment - wonder why that is ;-} Well... something to do with the list no longer being devoted to OP alone? Or perhaps because interest in RISC OS is waning (despite the launch of new machines). Or perhaps because I've not written any new software since 1997 8-( -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 7 01:09:40 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036630140:10:24364:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:09:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036630140:10:24364:40; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 00:49:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109497; 7 Nov 2002 0:48 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189aqX-0007bD-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 00:48:33 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA70jmG32667 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:45:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from sri-ltd.co.uk ([209.205.25.139]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA70jlt32663 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:45:47 GMT Received: from gatewaysolo [172.181.128.113] by sri-ltd.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.12) id A843C4F00B6; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 00:48:03 +0000 Message-ID: <008401c285f7$20ee4e20$1e8021a1@gatewaysolo> From: "Dennis J Golding" To: References: <4b8e331c1cdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8e3a4241steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8eb4bbd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b9160177adavidb@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:42:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hello all, My interest in RISCOS has risen sharply since my Windows machine burped and reverted to an old copy of the registry. I am having to reload every piece of software including all the updates for the last nine months - it's taken us three days so far - the worst part was Office XP. That is something that would NEVER happen under RISCOS. I am now going full strength on OP and TW etc.... on my RISCPC and Virtual A5000 instead of using bloated over complicated M$ software. Bill Gates made the biggest mistake when he allowed anyone to alter the core operating system (via registry and replacing DLL's) and everyone has been paying for that mistake ever since as they are given no option when they buy a new PC. If it is any encouragement David, all new computers that I authorise for my company will be RISCOS machines unless there is software that is only available on an IBM compatible pc. All our current software comes from the US (naturally) but mostly there are no telephone numbers to call and the web sites only give FAQ - loads of drivers but very few answers and no-one to talk to. MS charge 45 per incident. This list shows that things can be very different. And before anyone yells about backup, we have made disaster backups but they are no good if the underlying problem with the registry and DLL's has been a creeping one! Hail RISCOS Dennis Golding ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version > >Lots of none OP stuff on this list at the moment - wonder why that is ;-} > > Well... something to do with the list no longer being devoted to OP > alone? > > Or perhaps because interest in RISC OS is waning (despite the launch of > new machines). > > Or perhaps because I've not written any new software since 1997 8-( > > > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 7 01:48:58 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036633451:10:26066:71".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:48:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036633451:10:26066:71; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 01:44:11 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1128275; 7 Nov 2002 1:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 189bRK-0002xe-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 01:26:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA71SJS02734 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:28:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA71SIx02731 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:28:19 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 189bST-00046F-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 01:27:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:26:23 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <4b8e331c1cdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8e3a4241steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8eb4bbd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b9160177adavidb@argonet.co.uk> <008401c285f7$20ee4e20$1e8021a1@gatewaysolo> In-Reply-To: <008401c285f7$20ee4e20$1e8021a1@gatewaysolo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >complicated M$ software. Bill Gates made the biggest mistake when he allowed >anyone to alter the core operating system (via registry and replacing DLL's) So you've got !Boot and it's full of configuration applets, choices files, and installed bits and bobs (modules, fonts etc.). Someone zaps that... Serious point RISC OS has been moving away from the nice and safe modular approach - everything to do with application X lives inside the !X folder, to the Windows model - !Boot a rats nest combining the equivalents of the registry and the Windows folder. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 7 13:12:52 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036669893:10:13270:411".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:12:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036669893:10:13270:411; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:51:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119592; 7 Nov 2002 11:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189l7I-0007lm-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:46:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA7Bit327964 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:44:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA7Bijo27944 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:44:45 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id gA7BiFG4002087 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:44:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:38:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Who are they really from? Message-ID: <4b91a0f0b5ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b914b6853chris@bulldog.u-net.com> References: <+apbmVXw6Hy9Ewrz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b912872baray@raydawson.com> <4b914b6853chris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b914b6853chris@bulldog.u-net.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > Well, as you can see from the headers, I am using Pluto, and it > correctly shows the true author (unless the message has been > forwarded to the list by David himself, when it does indeed show > David as the author). I suppose they must have been forwarded ones and I didn't notice, although someone else did email me to say they had noticed the same thing. Maybe two of us aren't paying attention :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 7 13:32:52 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036675652:10:21971:108".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:32:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036675652:10:21971:108; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:27:32 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1126227; 7 Nov 2002 13:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189mZy-0008O9-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:20:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA7DIZ613280 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:18:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA7DIZf13277 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:18:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 189mXp-0007kl-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:18:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:16:50 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <+apbmVXw6Hy9Ewrz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b912872baray@raydawson.com> <4b914b6853chris@bulldog.u-net.com> <4b91a0f0b5ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b91a0f0b5ray@raydawson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Ray Dawson In article <008401c285f7$20ee4e20$1e8021a1@gatewaysolo>, Dennis J Golding wrote: > All our current software comes from the US (naturally) but mostly there > are no telephone numbers to call and the web sites only give FAQ - > loads of drivers but very few answers and no-one to talk to. MS charge > 45 per incident. This list shows that things can be very different. When I have queries regarding Windows I usually subscribe to one of the M$ newsgroups to get it sorted. The groups are very specific to the Windows version and are populated with a lot of very knowledgeable people, including MCPs etc. They take the form , ie for XP, microsoft.public.windowsxp.general There's a list somewhere on the M$ site, so paying 45 quid an incident is not necessary. Answers via the newsgroups are probably quicker and more concise than a phone call ime. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 7 18:32:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036693957:10:12546:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:32:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036693957:10:12546:43; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:32:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110851; 7 Nov 2002 18:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189rRM-0006NA-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:31:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA7IT7514481 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:29:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA7IT6O14477 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:29:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 189rOJ-0006qp-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:28:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:27:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <4b8e331c1cdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8e3a4241steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8eb4bbd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b9160177adavidb@argonet.co.uk> <008401c285f7$20ee4e20$1e8021a1@gatewaysolo> In-Reply-To: <008401c285f7$20ee4e20$1e8021a1@gatewaysolo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Tim Powys-Lybbe > >complicated M$ software. Bill Gates made the biggest mistake when he allowed > >anyone to alter the core operating system (via registry and replacing DLL's) > > So you've got !Boot and it's full of configuration applets, choices > files, and installed bits and bobs (modules, fonts etc.). Someone zaps > that... > > Serious point RISC OS has been moving away from the nice and safe > modular approach - everything to do with application X lives inside the > !X folder, to the Windows model - !Boot a rats nest combining the > equivalents of the registry and the Windows folder. I agree that !Boot is becoming over-complicated - and a Giga-million miles away from the days when I wrote my own !Boot application - and its icon was even one highly polished, national serviceman's boot. But you don't have to use !Boot to design an application, !System apart. Though what you do need is somewhere to store configureation details that is not zapped when a new version is installed. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 8 00:03:05 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036713770:20:13032:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:03:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036713770:20:13032:44; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:02:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013083; 8 Nov 2002 0:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 189wae-0006ZL-00; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:01:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA7Nxwp27256 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:59:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from he101war.uk.vianw.net (he101war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.208]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA7NxvY27252 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:59:57 GMT Received: from [195.102.205.240] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he101war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 189wY1-0000H1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 23:58:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:38:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b91d26672chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Well Ray Your last post came out as having come from David 8o) However, on looking at the full headers of that message there is the line: : X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Appears that during the forwarding process the sender is changed. Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 8 01:33:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036718790:10:04370:86".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:33:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036718790:10:04370:86; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 01:26:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1102421; 8 Nov 2002 1:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 189xsk-0003vR-00; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 01:24:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA81Nx809655 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:23:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA81Nxs09652 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:23:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 189xrm-0007Qe-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 01:23:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3c+5XAUvGxy9EwKl@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:21:51 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <4b91d26672chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4b91d26672chris@bulldog.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Well Ray >Your last post came out as having come from David 8o) I thought that was funny too. Ray's posting was bounced because he used a 'naughty' word in it. One problem faced by a list like this is that people send their admin requests to the list rather than to the admin address. So the software spots admin type words and bounces any messages that contain them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 12 17:05:21 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037013919:10:06212:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:05:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037013919:10:06212:66; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:25:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115006; 11 Nov 2002 11:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18BCfV-0005L3-00; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:23:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gABBORb16546 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:24:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gABBOQv16537 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:24:26 GMT Received: from modem-38.blue-mandarin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.237.38] helo=localhost) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18BCfJ-0001W8-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:23:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Jones To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:55:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Thumbnail oddity Message-ID: <4b93a6d547simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have two 'compliment' slip designs, both set up in master pages as 99x210mm, both set to print as Thumbnails - Paper area (1x3) at 100% One of them only ever prints two copies at the top of the paper, the other prints three as desired. Same printer, same OP (2.66) printed seconds apart.... Can anyone explain why this may be happening? Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 12 17:05:48 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037039783:20:17652:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:05:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037039783:20:17652:50; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:36:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119906; 11 Nov 2002 18:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18BJNY-0007e1-00; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:33:44 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gABIZvw12303 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:35:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gABIZvw12298 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:35:57 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18BJOt-0001hA-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:35:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:21:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: [softwarelist] right align To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b93a6d547simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have often wished to right-align just part of a line of text (obviously, the right-most part) but is I highlight a selection, Ovation seems to ignore and right-align the whole line. Is there any way around this? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 12 17:05:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037042336:20:03960:92".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:05:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037042336:20:03960:92; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:18:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102361; 11 Nov 2002 19:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18BK2n-0001gp-00; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:16:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gABJJA518432 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:19:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gABJJA618429 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:19:10 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id gABJIOG3020077 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:18:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:11:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: right align Message-ID: <4b93d9b944ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4b93a6d547simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Michael Talibard wrote: > I have often wished to right-align just part of > a line of text (obviously, the right-most part) > but is I highlight a selection, Ovation seems to > ignore and right-align the whole line. Is there > any way around this? Only by putting a right tab in the right margin. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 12 17:05:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037048658:20:20018:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:05:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037048658:20:20018:46; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:04:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019733; 11 Nov 2002 21:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18BLgc-0001c5-00; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:01:34 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gABL44x32035 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:04:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.net [81.26.107.2]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gABL44332032 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:04:04 GMT Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host62-7-161-215.webport.bt.net [62.7.161.215]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gABL9cZ28530 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:09:38 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:01:32 GMT From: Mike Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] right align Message-ID: <63d5e3934b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > > I have often wished to right-align just part of > a line of text (obviously, the right-most part) > but is I highlight a selection, Ovation seems to > ignore and right-align the whole line. Is there > any way around this? > I put a right tab at the end of the line and align to that. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 12 17:05:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037051535:20:02036:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:05:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037051535:20:02036:56; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:52:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121428; 11 Nov 2002 21:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18BMSR-00025n-00; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:50:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gABLpvR05529 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:51:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gABLpuE05526 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:51:56 GMT Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.255.44.141]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20021111215100.BAEC1121.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:51:00 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021111213853.00b29700@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:41:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: right align In-Reply-To: <4b93d9b944ray@raydawson.com> References: <4b93a6d547simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 19:11 11.11.02 +0000, Ray Dawson wrote: >In article , > Michael Talibard wrote: > > > I have often wished to right-align just part of > > a line of text (obviously, the right-most part) > > but is I highlight a selection, Ovation seems to > > ignore and right-align the whole line. Is there > > any way around this? > >Only by putting a right tab in the right margin. A basic workaround that I have used in the past - which depends on the context - is to draw an additional small text box, which is right aligned, and simply to pop the relevant text into it. An extra carriage return might be needed to keep the main body of text on the straight and narrow. John W. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 12 18:14:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037124603:10:07658:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:14:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037124603:10:07658:61; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:10:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007862; 12 Nov 2002 18:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18BfSm-0001Un-00; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:08:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gACI9KX21648 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:09:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gACI9Jh21644 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:09:19 GMT Received: from [62.188.120.43] (helo=62.188.120.43) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18BfSa-0001qW-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:08:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:58:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] right align Message-ID: <4b93ee8bbfcharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b93a6d547simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Michael Talibard wrote: > I have often wished to right-align just part of > a line of text (obviously, the right-most part) > but is I highlight a selection, Ovation seems to > ignore and right-align the whole line. Is there > any way around this? Yes, set a right TAB. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 12 22:14:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037138867:10:28918:88".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:14:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037138867:10:28918:88; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:07:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119586; 12 Nov 2002 22:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Bj8G-0005Qx-00; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:03:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gACM6Lo21690 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:06:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gACM6Lm21686 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:06:21 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Bj9z-0000OA-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:05:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:44:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: right align To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b93d9b944ray@raydawson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Mon 11 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > Only by putting a right tab in the right margin. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Thanks! Now why couldn't I thnk of that? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 12 22:24:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037139754:10:21433:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:24:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037139754:10:21433:49; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:22:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123873; 12 Nov 2002 22:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18BjNN-0006U8-00; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:19:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gACMMOf23422 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:22:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gACMMOW23419 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:22:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18BjPW-0004zE-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:21:30 +0000 Message-ID: <7N5qjBLo6X09Ewa$@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:20:24 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP Thumbnail oddity References: <4b93a6d547simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b93a6d547simon.jones@capelinmedia.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have two 'compliment' slip designs, both set up in master pages as >99x210mm, both set to print as Thumbnails - Paper area (1x3) at 100% no idea why results should be different, probably because the initial conditions are different. I know the menu is indicating it is going to print 1x3 but when it comes to actual printing the calculations are done again and more accurately. OTOH it could be there is something about the contents which stops the third copy being printed. >Same printer, same OP (2.66) printed seconds apart.... What's wrong with 2.67? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 15 01:12:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037322601:10:26782:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:12:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037322601:10:26782:47; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:10:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124483; 15 Nov 2002 1:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18CUuG-0001mA-00; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:04:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAF15s814405 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:05:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAF15r114401 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:05:53 GMT Received: from [62.188.145.22] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18CUve-0000XA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:05:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:04:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OP: NudgePal - Version 1.06 now available Message-ID: <4b958596b0gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist The latest release of my NudgePal applet (version 1.06) can now be downloaded from its usual home: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html This new version hasn't changed much since the last - the noticeable differences are: The manual is now stored inside the applet and can be displayed easily from an entry on the NudgePal menu. The manual document has now been re-created in version 2.60 of Ovation Pro. This allows any version of Ovation Pro from the CD upgrade or later to read the NudgePal manual. The manual in the last few NudgePal releases had inadvertently been edited with a later version of Ovation Pro making it impossible for those with older versions to read it. Please note that NudgePal requires Ovation Pro 2.61 or later (but we are all using 2.67, aren't we?) The buttonbar button's sprites have been extended to further reflect the state of object resizing - it now changes to indicate which resizing edges are active. An Applet info window has been added to NudgePal's menu, showing the version number etc. The info window also has links to my website and email address. [short NudgePal description] The NudgePal applet allows objects to be moved or resized, by use of arrow buttons on a palette window. Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 19 17:07:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037610694:10:04717:82".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:07:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037610694:10:04717:82; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:11:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003622; 18 Nov 2002 9:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18DhqO-0007Wp-00; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:05:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAI97cu19617 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:07:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from post-21.mail.nl.demon.net (post-21.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAI97bj19613 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:07:37 GMT Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-21.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18DhsW-000MMo-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:07:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:08:42 +0100 (GMT) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: [softwarelist] double sided printing To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select [4.29] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi all, My new printer is able to print double sided directly. But I can't find the way in OPro to set this up. Do I miss something? TIA greetings from the Netherlands, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place The faster the plane, the narrower the seats. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 19 17:08:05 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037619859:10:19582:559".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:08:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037619859:10:19582:559; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:44:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ai1125995; 18 Nov 2002 11:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18DjVd-0004UY-00; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:52:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAIAtAf16593 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:55:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk [132.185.240.17]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAIAt9N16570 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:55:09 GMT Received: from w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk [10.48.8.92]) by gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAIAxPR10943 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:59:26 GMT Received: from w1bhxi01.radio.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:55:03 +0000 Received: by w1bhxi01.radio.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:55:03 -0000 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0225F36E@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'softwarelist@davidpilling.net'" Subject: RE: [softwarelist] double sided printing Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:55:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > Johan Heuseveldt wrote > >Hi all, > >My new printer is able to print double sided directly. But I can't find >the way in OPro to set this up. Do I miss something? I was in the same situation a couple of months ago - and there are contributions from David and Gavin Crawford which could help you. Michael Hunter BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 19 17:08:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037668226:10:23356:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:08:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037668226:10:23356:53; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:10:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1023009; 19 Nov 2002 1:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Dwt9-0001V6-00; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:09:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAJ18xB15934 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:08:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAJ18wk15928 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:08:59 GMT Received: from [62.188.130.148] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18Dwsq-00020l-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:08:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:05:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OP: NudgePal - Version 1.06 **CORRECTION** Message-ID: <4b979500cegav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist ********** NudgePal 1.06 Correction ********** Unfortunately there is a small problem with NudgePal Version 1.06, that was released last week. It appears that the palette window is open at it maximum size and cannot be reduced to its smaller size using the window's toggle icon. This is a result of the Templates file being saved with the palette window at full size. A full *corrected* version of NudgePal is now available at the usual place: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html *OR* You can download a smaller upgrade archive that contains JUST the corrected Templates file. There is no link to this file from the website so it is only available from this URL : http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/bin/npal106upg.zip Instructions are included in the zip archive on how to MERGE the replacement Templates with your existing version 1.06. Gav. P.S. My thanks to Jonathan Robinson for reporting the problem. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 19 17:08:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037669770:10:26741:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:08:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037669770:10:26741:40; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:36:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026289; 19 Nov 2002 1:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18DjSr-00041M-00; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:49:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAIApKN11254 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:51:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAIApHI11188 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:51:18 GMT Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.176.2]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021118105116.VOYC8940.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:51:16 +0000 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD932D268 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:51:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 18 Nov 2002 10:51:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:51:12 GMT From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] double sided printing Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 18 Nov, in message Johan Heuseveldt wrote: >Hi all, > >My new printer is able to print double sided directly. But I can't find >the way in OPro to set this up. Do I miss something? You need to go through printers to do this not OvationPro. Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 19 17:08:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037725305:10:02045:74".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:08:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037725305:10:02045:74; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:01:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001627; 19 Nov 2002 17:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18EBRV-0004DN-00; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:41:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAJGiLj03468 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:44:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from post-21.mail.nl.demon.net (post-21.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAJGiLG03464 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:44:21 GMT Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-21.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18EBU2-0007T2-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:44:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:40:55 +0100 (GMT) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] double sided printing To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select [4.29] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi Philip, On Mon 18 Nov, Philip Ludlam wrote: > On 18 Nov, in message [...] Johan Heuseveldt [...] wrote: > > My new printer is able to print double sided directly. But I can't > > find the way in OPro to set this up. Do I miss something? > > You need to go through printers to do this not OvationPro. Ah, you're absolutely right! Jusy tried it, and it works. It wasn't obvious to me, as I was looking for an option. It turned out to be a special paper format: 'Double sided A4, upper'. (there is only an upper tray) Thanks Philip! greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place This picture is going to be one of the biggest white elephants of all time. - Victor Fleming, director of Gone With the Wind, 1939 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 19 17:08:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037622791:20:23549:619".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:08:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037622791:20:23549:619; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:33:11 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105917; 18 Nov 2002 12:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Dkri-0003Fv-00; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:18:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAICIdI13899 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:18:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAICIdd13896 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:18:39 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18DkrO-0003XA-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:18:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] double sided printing Message-ID: <4b974c12c7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > Hi all, > My new printer is able to print double sided directly. But I can't find > the way in OPro to set this up. Do I miss something? I have two logocal printers defined via !Printers, both using the same (in my case Kyocera laser printer). I have one called "port1" because it does portrait single-sided pronting, and one called "port2". The port1 definition has feed set to: "single sided standard tray" The port2 definition has feed set to: "standard tray portrait 2 sides" And that's it. I make no changes in OP itself. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 19 21:07:00 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037740002:20:16990:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:07:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037740002:20:16990:57; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:06:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2017085; 19 Nov 2002 21:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18EFYw-0007zX-00; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:05:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAJL5A718850 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:05:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAJL5AZ18847 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:05:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18EFYT-0001Tb-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:05:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:03:36 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] off topic: 1440dpi printing References: <4b974c12c7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b974c12c7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Is there anyone in RISC OS land who uses an inkjet printer for photos at 1440 dpi? If so: with which hardware/OS version/software? Cheers, Jochen Konietzko ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 19 21:16:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037740019:20:16990:165".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:16:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037740019:20:16990:165; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:06:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126805; 19 Nov 2002 21:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18EFW6-0003ir-00; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:02:42 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAJL5nh18973 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:05:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAJL5nF18968 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:05:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18EFZ6-0001ay-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:05:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:04:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Key shortcut bug(let) in OvP DDL export References: <4b974c12c7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b974c12c7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Geoff Youngs Just noticed an interesting mis-feature when saving as DDL - if a document has a style defined with a key shortcut of ^\, then saving and trying to re-import the document as DDL results in an 'Unknown object at ' error. It's (presumably?) because backslashes are used to escape other characters, but keyboard shortcuts aren't escaped when saved. Work arounds: 1. Don't use key shortcuts with backslashes in or, 2. If you do/have, either: Delete the offending line in the DDL file before re-importing the document. or Add an extra backslash at the line specified in the error message: i.e. {keypress "C_\"} becomes {keypress "C_\\"} (It's quite probable that no-one would even think about doing this - I found it by accident, probably by hitting the Ctrl and backslash keys at the bottom left of the keyboard while the styles dialog was open :( ). HTH, -- Geoff Youngs http://www.intersect-uk.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 20 13:51:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037773092:10:22123:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:51:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037773092:10:22123:59; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:18:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116190; 20 Nov 2002 6:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18EO7u-00063Q-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:14:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAK6H2F00315 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:17:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAK6H2X00312 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:17:02 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18EOAW-0004LF-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:17:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:15:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Smart quotes on - but off! To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have smart quotes enabled in Text Handling Choices; But when I type " that is what I get. I removed all Applets in case there was a contradition imposed; no change. When I run Opro I get an error message from RJET which I ignore because it doesn't affect anything. Or does it? I just found by accident that if I adjust click on the error message box I get a detailed version- but Idon't understand that either. Especially as all Applets are now deleted. Any ideas, please? (Here is the detailed error log:- // Useful functions // RJET // Version 4.00 // Thu 27th August 1998 string rjetbm_hiddenlist=""; string tokenlist_test=""; // TEXT READING LIBRARY // int befcaretchar(void) // returns ASCII code of character before caret // returns -1 if there is no character before caret // 10 for newline // 13 for paragraph // // void overtype(string&s) // types the string&such that its first character overwrites // the character BEFORE the caret int befcaretchar(void) { return prevchar(); } void overtype(string& s) { type("{BS}"+s); } // STYLE HANDLER LIBRARY // Applying/removing styles by name: // NB Case is significant in style names! // int get_style(string& stylename) // returns true if the style is current, 0 if not // // void set_style(string& stylename, int v) // v=0 turns style off, v=1 turns it on // // void toggle_style(string& stylename) // toggles state of named style // // void toggle_heading(string& stylename) // first removes any existing heading style, then toggles state of named style // Heading styles are "Major Heading", "Minor Heading", "Major Subheading", "Minor Subheading" // and "Paragraph Title" // // void remove_all_styles(void) // removes all styles from the caret/selection // // // Utility functions (used by the above functions): // int get_style_handle(string& stylename) // returns handle of named style, or -1 if it does not exist // This sort of handle is to be passed to addstyle() // // int get_current_style_handle(string& stylename) // if the named style is current, returns its current handle, else -1 // This sort of handle is to be passed to remstyle() int get_style_handle(string& stylename) { int done=0, handle, result=1; string gotname; for(handle=0; done==0 && result!=0; handle++) { result=getuserstyle(handle, gotname, 1); if(gotname==stylename) done=1; } if(result==0) return -1; else return handle-1; } int get_current_style_handle(string& stylename) { int done=0, handle, result=1; string gotname; for(handle=0; done==0 && result!=0; handle++) { result=getcurrentstyle(handle, gotname, 1); if(gotname==stylename) done=1; } if(result==0) return -1; else return handle-1; } int get_style(string& stylename) { caretcontext(); return(get_current_style_handle(stylename)!=-1); } void set_style(string& stylename, int v) { if(v==0) remstyle(get_current_style_handle(stylename)); else addstyle(get_style_handle(stylename)); } void toggle_style(string& stylename) { set_style(stylename, !get_style(stylename)); } void toggle_heading(string& stylename) { int new_status=!get_style(stylename); set_style("Major Heading",0); set_style("Minor Heading",0); set_style("Major Subheading",0); set_style("Minor Subheading",0); set_style("Paragraph Title",0); set_style(stylename,new_status); } // find_style_back(string& stylename, string& after) // return 1 if style found, 0 otherwise // sets caret to start of found style int find_style_back(string& stylename, string& after) { int done=0, found=0; while(!done) { type("{CLeft}"); if(befcaretchar()>=0) { if(get_style(stylename)>0) {done=1; found=1;} } else done=1; //if(after!=""){if(get_style(after)>0) done=1;} } if(found) { type("{CLeft}"); return 1; } else return 0; } // find_style_forwards(string& stylename, string& before) // return 1 if style found before style before, else 0 // sets caret to start of style int find_style_forwards(string& stylename, string& before) { int done=0, found=0; if(caretchar()<=0) return 0; while(!done) { type("{CRight}"); if(get_style(stylename)>0) {done=1; found=1;} if(caretchar()<=0) done=1; if(before!=""){if(get_style(before)>0) done=1;} } if(found) type("{CLeft}"); return found; } void remove_all_styles(void) { int i; string s; for(i=0; getcurrentstyle(i,s,0)>0; i++) remstyle(i); } void fontchar(int c, string& fontname) { if(!get_style(fontname)) set_style(fontname,1); if(c==123 || c==124 || c==60) type("|"+chars(c)); else type(chars(c)); set_style(fontname,0); } void fontcharif(int c1, string& f1, int c2, string& f2) { if(get_style_handle(f1)>-1) fontchar(c1, f1); else fontchar(c2, f2); } void overfontchar(int c, string& fontname) { int sw=0; if(get_current_style_handle(fontname)==-1) sw=1; if(sw) toggle_style(fontname); if(c==124 || c==123 || c==60) type("|"+chars(c)); else type(chars(c)); type("{CLeft}{CLeft}{Copy}{CRight}"); if(sw) toggle_style(fontname); } /*TOKENLIST*/ void tokenlist_init(string &list) { list=chars(1); } int tokenlist_find(string &list, string &token) { return (list / (chars(1)+token+"\n")); } void tokenlist_delete(string &list, string &token) { string s; int tpos=tokenlist_find(list, token); if(tpos>=0) { s=mids(list, tpos+slen(token)+2, slen(list)-tpos-2-slen(token)); s=mids(s, (s/chars(1)), slen(s)-(s/chars(1))); list=mids(list, 0, tpos)+s; } } int tokenlist_read(string &list, string &token, string &data) { int tpos=tokenlist_find(list, token); data=""; if(tpos>=0) { tpos+=slen(token)+2; data=mids(list, tpos, slen(list)-tpos); data=mids(data, 0, (data/chars(1))); return 1; } else return 0; } void tokenlist_add(string &list, string &token, string &data) { if(list=="") tokenlist_init(list); tokenlist_delete(list, token); list+=token+"\n"+data+chars(1); } /* BOOKMARK APPLET EXTENSIONS */ int rjetbm_hidden(string &prefix) { return(tokenlist_find(rjetbm_hiddenlist, prefix)>=0); // return (rjetbm_hiddenlist / ("\n"+prefix+"\n"))>=0; } void rjetbm_hide(string &prefix) { tokenlist_add(rjetbm_hiddenlist, prefix, ""); /*if(!rjetbm_hidden(prefix)) rjetbm_hiddenlist+=prefix+"\n";*/ } void rjetbm_unhide(string &prefix) { tokenlist_delete(rjetbm_hiddenlist, prefix); /* string s; int mrk = (rjetbm_hiddenlist / ("\n"+prefix+"\n")) +1; if(mrk) { s=mids(rjetbm_hiddenlist, 0, mrk) + mids(rjetbm_hiddenlist, mrk+slen(prefix)+1, slen(rjetbm_hiddenlist)-mrk-slen(prefix)-1); rjetbm_hiddenlist=s; }*/ } void rjetbm_toggle(string &prefix) { if(rjetbm_hidden(prefix)) rjetbm_unhide(prefix); else rjetbm_hide(prefix); } string scallfunction(string fn) { if(schar(fn, slen(fn)-1)!=')') fn+="();"; return(macro("{macv="+fn+"}")); } void callfunction(string fn) { if(schar(fn, slen(fn)-1)!=')') fn+="();"; macro("{"+fn+"}"); } ) ends. Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 20 13:51:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037786869:10:12355:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:51:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037786869:10:12355:53; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:07:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009936; 20 Nov 2002 10:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18ERjN-0001Iu-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:05:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAKA4uS25038 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:04:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAKA4ts25028 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:04:55 GMT Received: from riscpc01 ([194.106.52.185]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id gAKA50Nd019693 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:05:00 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:04:45 GMT From: Peter Bell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] off topic: 1440dpi printing Message-ID: <0c3a4a984b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> References: <4b974c12c7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (Newsbase/0.70) (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.70-beta-2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >From: > > Is there anyone in RISC OS land who uses an inkjet printer for photos at > 1440 dpi? If so: with which hardware/OS version/software? Err. . . my Canon S800 doesn't go up to 1440, but the Spacetech driver does claim to be printing at 1200. I can't prove that it is really going that high, but it gives a better image than the 600 mode. -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 20 13:51:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037797154:20:12223:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:51:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037797154:20:12223:65; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:59:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127980; 20 Nov 2002 12:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18EUN9-0008BI-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:54:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAKCv3e29783 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:57:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAKCv3i29779 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:57:03 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18EUPe-0006b0-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:57:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:30:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Smart quotes on - but off! Message-ID: <4b98578658Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Charles Barraball wrote: > When I run Opro I get an error message from RJET probably a stupid question... what's "RJET"? I can see it is the name of the code you listed, but where did that come from? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 20 14:10:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037800989:20:28956:155".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:10:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037800989:20:28956:155; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:03:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029851; 20 Nov 2002 14:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18EVNH-0004r5-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:58:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAKE1Qo12566 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:01:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAKE1Pa12562 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:01:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18EVPx-0003Fi-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:01:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:59:49 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Smart quotes on - but off! References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have smart quotes enabled in Text Handling Choices; >But when I type " that is what I get. Text handling choices does not enable smart quotes whilst you type, it only affects quotes in imported text files. You need the quotes applet to get sexy quotes whilst you type. >When I run Opro I get an error message from RJET which I ignore because One of Mr. RJE Thompsons applets... Said applets install a library script in !OvnPro.Library. Since you're going down the route of hacking the insides of the program, I'd suggest you find it and delete it. I wonder what the error was? What you've sent is just a listing of a script file - probably what is in Library. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 20 17:21:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037812572:20:18742:157".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:21:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037812572:20:18742:157; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:16:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2020763; 20 Nov 2002 17:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18EYCD-00044k-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:59:25 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAKGxCR19751 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:59:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAKGxBZ19746 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:59:11 GMT Received: from [62.188.22.219] (helo=62.188.22.219) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18EYBt-0007f1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:59:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A. Thompson" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:59:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] off topic: 1440dpi printing Message-ID: <4b98702f0fdathompson@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b974c12c7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >From: > Is there anyone in RISC OS land who uses an inkjet printer for photos at > 1440 dpi? If so: with which hardware/OS version/software? > Cheers, > Jochen Konietzko I've been succesful (so far) using an Epson Stylus C600 with an RPC 700 fitted with an ARM and RO4 (select) (although I have used RO4 straight in the past). I find OPro very suitable as the manipulation software (size, position etc). Printers version 1.90b4. HTH Doug T -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Doug Thompson | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dathompson@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 03:21:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037848583:20:12010:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:21:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037848583:20:12010:40; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:16:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2011823; 21 Nov 2002 3:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18EhlJ-0000wh-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:12:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAL3EfF11972 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:14:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAL3Eb811969 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:14:40 GMT Received: from 54-1-76-004.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.76.4] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 18EhnS-0002j1-00 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:14:30 +0900 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:36:35 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] off topic: 1440dpi printing To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tue 19 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >From: > > > > Is there anyone in RISC OS land who uses an inkjet printer for photos at > 1440 dpi? If so: with which hardware/OS version/software? > > Cheers, > > Jochen Konietzko > Yes, an Epson printer PM2000C (dunno what number it is in Europe), RO 4.02 and printers v1.64a. (This version has the driver - I sent it in: I think it's really the StyCol850 but I can't remember now). At 1440 printing gives a denser, crisper colour. It also takes a while! Cheers Ian -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 13:30:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037864705:20:03508:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:30:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037864705:20:03508:43; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:45:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003695; 21 Nov 2002 7:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Em0M-0001yG-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:44:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAL7i1P28555 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:44:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAL7i0Y28550 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:44:01 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Em08-0002Al-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:43:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:20:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Smart quotes on - but off! To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 20 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >I have smart quotes enabled in Text Handling Choices; > >But when I type " that is what I get. > > Text handling choices does not enable smart quotes whilst you type, it > only affects quotes in imported text files. You need the quotes applet > to get sexy quotes whilst you type. Right. Thanks; that I'll install. > > >When I run Opro I get an error message from RJET which I ignore because > > One of Mr. RJE Thompsons applets... > > Said applets install a library script in !OvnPro.Library. >Since you're > going down the route of hacking Hacking? Any injudicious editting is only undertaken a) unwittingly or b) with someone holding both my hands! > the insides of the program, I'd suggest > you find it and delete it. So, encouraged,... I looked in !OvPro.Library and deleted !RJETLib, but leaving !ALib, !MenuLib, !MergeLib, CCPrfix, Imposition, and PSupport. On re-running !OPro, !RJETLib re-installed itself. But !applets and I had removed all Applets; But THe had re-appeared! I went to !OvPro .Applets and deleted !InstTHe and !THe. !OPro now loads without an error message. > > I wonder what the error was? Something about a duplicate instruction in line 6 somewhere, presumably in an Applet. I'll re-install them one at a time and see if the message recurrs. But the quotes applet first. Thanks Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 13:30:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037864705:20:03519:69".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:30:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037864705:20:03519:69; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:45:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104259; 21 Nov 2002 7:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Em0M-0001yF-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:44:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAL7i2f28562 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:44:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAL7i2828559 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:44:02 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Em0H-0002Al-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:44:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:30:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I saved the December Parish Magazine as a DDL; when I tried re-opening the document from DDLFile it reported "unknown object at 321" What should I do about this? It implies I have something corrupt, but what? Fortunately the OvPro file works fine. Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 13:50:16 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037886176:20:00510:93".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:50:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037886176:20:00510:93; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:42:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120007; 21 Nov 2002 13:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Erai-00008j-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:42:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALDfRT27592 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:41:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALDfQG27586 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:41:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18EraA-0004qy-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:41:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:40:14 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Smart quotes on - but off! References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I went to !OvPro .Applets and deleted !InstTHe and !THe. Putting the installation program inside the applets folder (i.e.!Inst) is not a good idea. Anything you put inside Applets, other than an applet gets run. So each time you ran OP, the applet would get installed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 14:40:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037889219:10:11816:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:40:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037889219:10:11816:53; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:33:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010207; 21 Nov 2002 14:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18EsNO-0005Q5-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:32:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALEW8505238 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:32:08 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALEW8o05232 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:32:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18EsND-0009v3-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:32:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:30:45 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >when I tried re-opening the document from DDLFile it reported >"unknown object at 321" >What should I do about this? Probably send the file to me... It's likely that some simple editing can retrieve the file, but more interesting is why things are going wrong. Could be due to the original document being corrupt, could be some fault in DDL saving. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 16:40:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037896583:10:01478:102".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:40:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037896583:10:01478:102; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:36:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002700; 21 Nov 2002 16:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18EuFJ-0000YH-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:32:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALGVac30554 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:31:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from oracle.uk.clara.net (oracle.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALGVZk30548 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:31:35 GMT Received: from du-010-0118.freeuk.com ([212.126.153.118] helo=freeuk.net) by oracle.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #3) id 18EuEo-0008Cm-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:31:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:28:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Just in case others are not aware, Martin Weurthner (MW Software) has secured the license for the full ArtWorks project from Computer Concepts Ltd. This means he can start to develop the application itself as well as plug-in modules and patches. Just to bring this back on topic - 'Here's to software developers who continue to support the best British Operating System there is - may they thrive and prosper - and continue 'giving' us goodies like Ovation Pro and ArtWorks.' Cheers! Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 17:10:18 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037898504:20:16744:110".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:10:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037898504:20:16744:110; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:08:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017618; 21 Nov 2002 17:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18EubO-0002CE-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:54:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALGshV03404 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:54:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALGsg803400 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:54:42 GMT Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.180.109]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021121165441.BMGE22505.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:54:41 +0000 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2362D378 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:54:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 21 Nov 2002 16:54:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:54:38 GMT From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 21 Nov, in message <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> Richard Brock wrote: >Just in case others are not aware, Martin Weurthner (MW Software) has >secured the license for the full ArtWorks project from Computer Concepts >Ltd. This means he can start to develop the application itself as well as >plug-in modules and patches. > >Just to bring this back on topic - 'Here's to software developers who >continue to support the best British Operating System there is - may they >thrive and prosper - and continue 'giving' us goodies like Ovation Pro >and ArtWorks.' > >Cheers! Cheers! (says he with a pint in his hand!) Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 18:00:16 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037901302:20:29960:85".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:00:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037901302:20:29960:85; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:55:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2102040; 21 Nov 2002 17:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18EvLR-00087l-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:42:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALHfoQ20608 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:41:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALHfoF20604 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:41:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18EvKn-00008W-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:41:50 +0000 Message-ID: <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:40:41 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Just in case others are not aware, Martin Weurthner (MW Software) has >secured the license for the full ArtWorks project from Computer Concepts >Ltd. Good news (unless you have shares in Cerilica). Elsewhere MW is talking of 'developments next week' which he can't tell us about. It's good news because certain CC assets are used by all of us - one immediate problem has been 32 bit versions of the Impulse and OLE modules. Both of which are under control now, before anyone starts worrying. Now I wonder who Impression has been given too... ;-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 18:10:19 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037901720:10:14404:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:10:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037901720:10:14404:43; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:02:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125890; 21 Nov 2002 18:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Evdi-00010q-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:01:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALI1Ge23697 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:01:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALI1GW23693 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:01:16 GMT Received: from host213-122-178-202.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.178.202] helo=markee.idrsolutions.com) by rhenium with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Evda-0000XU-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:01:15 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: mark stephens To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:00:44 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id gALI1GW23694 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thursday 21 Nov 2002 5:40 pm, David Pilling wrote: > >Just in case others are not aware, Martin Weurthner (MW Software) has > >secured the license for the full ArtWorks project from Computer Concepts > >Ltd. > > Good news (unless you have shares in Cerilica). Elsewhere MW is talking > of 'developments next week' which he can't tell us about. > > It's good news because certain CC assets are used by all of us - one > immediate problem has been 32 bit versions of the Impulse and OLE > modules. Both of which are under control now, before anyone starts > worrying. > > Now I wonder who Impression has been given too... ;-) But in his article in Acorn publisher, he says that there is a perfectly good alternative to Impression being actively developed.... MArk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 18:30:17 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037903335:10:07237:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:30:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037903335:10:07237:49; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:28:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007211; 21 Nov 2002 18:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Ew46-0003qn-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:28:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALISZ727580 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:28:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALISYL27575 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:28:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Ew42-0003i0-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:28:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:26:59 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> In-Reply-To: <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >But in his article in Acorn publisher, he says that there is a perfectly good >alternative to Impression being actively developed.... Well I don't think MW would take on Impression, but I think some people would. OP is an alternative to Impression, but many people want the real thing, something that works exactly like Impression. I think the availability of aemulator for Iyonix has decreased the chances of Impression being taken over and/or made 32 bit. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 18:40:17 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037903466:10:09393:139".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:40:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037903466:10:09393:139; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:31:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010943; 21 Nov 2002 18:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Ew6C-00043l-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:30:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALIUlN27941 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:30:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALIUk227938 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:30:46 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Ew69-0006bV-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:30:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:23:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b98f62fa5john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.32) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 21 Nov, Philip Ludlam wrote: > On 21 Nov, in message <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> Richard Brock > wrote: > >Just in case others are not aware, Martin Weurthner (MW Software) has > >secured the license for the full ArtWorks project from Computer > >Concepts Ltd. This means he can start to develop the application itself > >as well as plug-in modules and patches. > > > >Just to bring this back on topic - 'Here's to software developers who > >continue to support the best British Operating System there is - may > >they thrive and prosper - and continue 'giving' us goodies like Ovation > >Pro and ArtWorks.' > > > >Cheers! > Cheers! (says he with a pint in his hand!) One (slight) amendment. May they thrive by 'selling' us goodies; we want them to be able to produce the next version, and the one after that, and .. ;-) -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 20:00:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037908377:10:22881:215".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:00:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037908377:10:22881:215; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:52:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126876; 21 Nov 2002 19:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18ExMs-0008UZ-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:52:06 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALJpP206334 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:51:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALJpOq06331 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:51:24 GMT Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.176.161]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021121195121.QNLE18167.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:51:21 +0000 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499442D388 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:46:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 21 Nov 2002 19:45:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:45:58 GMT From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> In-Reply-To: <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 21 Nov, in message <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> mark stephens wrote: >On Thursday 21 Nov 2002 5:40 pm, David Pilling wrote: >> >Just in case others are not aware, Martin Weurthner (MW Software) has >> >secured the license for the full ArtWorks project from Computer Concepts >> >Ltd. >> >> Good news (unless you have shares in Cerilica). Elsewhere MW is talking >> of 'developments next week' which he can't tell us about. >> >> It's good news because certain CC assets are used by all of us - one >> immediate problem has been 32 bit versions of the Impulse and OLE >> modules. Both of which are under control now, before anyone starts >> worrying. >> >> Now I wonder who Impression has been given too... ;-) > >But in his article in Acorn publisher, he says that there is a >perfectly good alternative to Impression being actively developed.... Go one, spill the beans, tell us please !!!!!! (Some of us don't read Acorn Publisher you know) Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 20:00:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037908545:20:29490:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:00:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037908545:20:29490:58; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:55:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120740; 21 Nov 2002 19:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18ExPR-0007qm-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:54:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALJsh306844 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:54:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALJshU06841 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:54:43 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ExPO-000EuX-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:54:43 +0000 Message-ID: <0pBpqLKGnT39EwgM@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:53:42 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <4b98f62fa5john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b98f62fa5john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >.. ;-) > So what's this tale about AP going digital? Any consequences for OP etc.? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 20:20:21 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037909718:20:01617:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:20:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037909718:20:01617:70; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:15:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000605; 21 Nov 2002 20:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Exi9-0001RJ-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:14:05 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALKE3609999 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:14:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALKE2909994 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:14:02 GMT Received: from dougal.locationworks.com ([62.49.148.34] helo=kell) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Exi6-0004bQ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:14:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell Gatherer To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:02:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com>, Philip Ludlam wrote: > >But in his article in Acorn publisher, he says that there is a > >perfectly good alternative to Impression being actively developed.... > Go one, spill the beans, tell us please !!!!!! Ovation Pro? -- Kell Gatherer kell@locsource.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 20:30:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037910303:10:27615:111".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:30:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037910303:10:27615:111; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:25:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028182; 21 Nov 2002 20:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18ExsT-0001DQ-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:24:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALKOge11369 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:24:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALKOfb11366 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:24:41 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ExsP-0006uG-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:24:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:08:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thu 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >when I tried re-opening the document from DDLFile it reported > >"unknown object at 321" > >What should I do about this? > > Probably send the file to me... It's likely that some simple editing can > retrieve the file, but more interesting is why things are going wrong. > Could be due to the original document being corrupt, could be some fault > in DDL saving. Thank you, David. Sent direct. Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 21:50:24 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037915305:20:26910:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:50:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037915305:20:26910:43; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:48:25 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026386; 21 Nov 2002 21:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18EzAd-0005z8-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:47:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALLlY822922 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:47:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALLlYZ22919 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:47:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18EzAc-0001RJ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:47:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:46:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Acorn Publisher magazine > >But in his article in Acorn publisher, he says that there is a > >perfectly good alternative to Impression being actively developed.... > Go one, spill the beans, tell us please !!!!!! > (Some of us don't read Acorn Publisher you know) You do realise that behaviour is punishable by extreme torture? ;-) -- John Cartmell editor@acornpublisher.com FAX +44 (0)8700519527 Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com a magazine for computer graphics, dtp & web design the magazine for all RISC OS users -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 21:50:24 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037915310:10:24771:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:50:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037915310:10:24771:52; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:48:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125638; 21 Nov 2002 21:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18EzAV-0005ya-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:47:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALLkt922812 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:46:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALLktM22809 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:46:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Ez9y-0001Lp-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:46:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:45:18 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Acorn Publisher magazine On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >.. ;-) > > > So what's this tale about AP going digital? Any consequences for OP > etc.? It works! But then I didn't doubt it [except in dark moments at 4am). I can honestly say I now know my way round the program far better than ever before We produced PostScript files from Ovation Pro and converted them to PDF files using RiscScript. The printers demanded PDF but, for some reason, not all pages worked on their equipment so we ended up sending a mix of PostScript and PDF pages burnt onto a CD. there are still issues and it will take time to check which actions we took were necessary and which didn't matter - we'll be covering our learning in future editions of Acorn Publisher. Despite having some very large graphics files Ovation Pro behaved very well (I think most of the faults were due to my ignorance) though it's not an experience I want to repeat - apart from OP and the computer practically everything else went wrong right up to and beyond all the deadlines. BTW - previous editions of Acorn Publisher were sent to T-J Reproductions as Ovation Pro files and they produced film for the printers. This time we had to produce the digital form ourselves. Some first edition for a new editor! -- John Cartmell editor@acornpublisher.com FAX +44 (0)8700519527 Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com a magazine for computer graphics, dtp & web design the magazine for all RISC OS users -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 22:00:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037915837:10:07180:126".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:00:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037915837:10:07180:126; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:57:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121562; 21 Nov 2002 21:57 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18EzJk-0001pV-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:57:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALLuw624106 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:56:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALLuv524103 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:56:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18EzJh-0007NK-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:56:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:55:48 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> In-Reply-To: <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >>But in his article in Acorn publisher, he says that there is a >>perfectly good alternative to Impression being actively developed.... >Go one, spill the beans, tell us please !!!!!! 8-) One thing is for sure, the future is either Impression or Ovation Pro. When sales of Iyonix pass the 10 million mark you can start worrying about Adobe doing something. Another irony is that many people bought Impression on the strength of it being written in hand coded assembly language. Now that very thing is what is wrong with it. It's why there won't be a 32 bit version without a struggle, and why any attempt to develop it would be difficult. Of course it was a sensible choice when machines only had 1MB of memory, far less so to think that they always would have. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 22:00:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037915514:10:29407:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:00:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037915514:10:29407:52; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:51:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028595; 21 Nov 2002 21:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18EzCy-00016G-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:50:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALLnwc23280 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:49:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALLnwF23277 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:49:58 GMT Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.180.134]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021121214957.VASP16799.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:49:57 +0000 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9352D372 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:29:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 21 Nov 2002 21:29:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:29:51 GMT From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <06c90c994b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 21 Nov, in message <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> Kell Gatherer wrote: >In article <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com>, > Philip Ludlam wrote: > >>On Thursday 21 Nov 2002 5:40 pm, David Pilling wrote: >> >> >Just in case others are not aware, Martin Weurthner (MW Software) has >> >> >secured the license for the full ArtWorks project from Computer Concepts >> >> >Ltd. >> >> >> >> Good news (unless you have shares in Cerilica). Elsewhere MW is talking >> >> of 'developments next week' which he can't tell us about. >> >> >> >> It's good news because certain CC assets are used by all of us - one >> >> immediate problem has been 32 bit versions of the Impulse and OLE >> >> modules. Both of which are under control now, before anyone starts >> >> worrying. >> >> >> >> Now I wonder who Impression has been given too... ;-) >> > >> >But in his article in Acorn publisher, he says that there is a >> >perfectly good alternative to Impression being actively developed.... > >> Go on, spill the beans, tell us please !!!!!! > >Ovation Pro? LOL! I wasn't referring to the alternative to Impression - I know what that one is already :-) I was actually referring to the person (or persons?) who might be taking on maintainership of Impression. Now presumably that is the person (persons?) who also wrote the article referred to above in Acorn Publisher. Now I don't read Acorn Publisher (but I've just been threatened with a free issue!) so I don't know who this person is. Personally I doubt that it is Martin Weurthner (MW Software). But can anyone enlighten me as to who might have taken on Impression? Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 22:30:24 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037917309:10:14487:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:30:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037917309:10:14487:57; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:21:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101686; 21 Nov 2002 22:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18EzhA-0004tm-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:21:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALML7H27463 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:21:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALML6s27460 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:21:06 GMT Received: from du-010-0185.freeuk.com ([212.126.153.185] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Ezh3-0006nN-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:21:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:19:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b99115aa2badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4b98f62fa5john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <4b98f62fa5john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b98f62fa5john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > One (slight) amendment. May they thrive by 'selling' us goodies; we want > them to be able to produce the next version, and the one after that, and > ... ;-) .. agreed completely! (which was why I put quotes around 'giving'). It's just that sometimes, to me anyway, it feels like a gift, even though it's paid for. (A win-win situation as I believe the jargon would have it...) Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 22:40:30 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037918091:20:11486:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:40:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037918091:20:11486:41; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:34:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011436; 21 Nov 2002 22:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Ezu7-0007Sy-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:34:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALMYVN28931 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:34:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mail.wave.co.nz (mail.wave.co.nz [203.96.216.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALMYTX28927 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:34:29 GMT Received: from albion (p11.hn1.wave.co.nz [203.96.192.11]) by mail.wave.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA20896 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:34:25 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.wave.co.nz: Host p11.hn1.wave.co.nz [203.96.192.11] claimed to be albion MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:37:04 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] off topic: 1440dpi printing Message-ID: <4b988f1a5bkh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <4b974c12c7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >From: > Is there anyone in RISC OS land who uses an inkjet printer for photos at > 1440 dpi? If so: with which hardware/OS version/software? I have a RISC PC/StrongARM RISCOS 4.02 system 'out of the box' using the installed printing facilities and have an Espon Stylus Color 850 which will print at what it calls 1440/720. Unfortunately the colour palette is not quite the same as viewed on the screen - so I bought a Canon BJC8200 which produces far superior results from the same set-up. Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 22:50:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037918973:20:04971:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:50:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037918973:20:04971:46; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:49:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003983; 21 Nov 2002 22:48 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18F06m-0000v9-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:47:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALMl0b30146 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:47:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALMl0B30137 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:47:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18F067-0001yf-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:46:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:45:42 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> >when I tried re-opening the document from DDLFile it reported >> >"unknown object at 321" >> >What should I do about this? Looking at the doc. Around line 320 STYLE_19={style "Diary" {keypress ""} {scope 1} {spaceafter 3000} {tabruler {tableader ""} {righttab 22677} {lefttab 68031} } } <---------------------------------- STYLE_1a={style "SlimAd" {keypress ""} {scope 1} I added the arrowed '}' (don't add the arrow). Now it would be dead interesting to discover how that '}' got lost. If you can reproduce the problem (save as DDL, reload), I'd quite like to see the original OP document file. Nice magazine by the way. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 23:00:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037919108:10:14509:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:00:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037919108:10:14509:44; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:51:48 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013484; 21 Nov 2002 22:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18F09z-0004qH-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:50:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALMoYX30461 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:50:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALMoXS30458 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:50:33 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021121225033.ZPFI28295.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:50:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:50:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Thu 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >From: Acorn Publisher magazine > > On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >.. ;-) > > > > > > So what's this tale about AP going digital? Any consequences for OP > > etc.? > > It works! > But then I didn't doubt it [except in dark moments at 4am). I can > honestly say I now know my way round the program far better than ever > before > > We produced PostScript files from Ovation Pro and converted them to PDF > files using RiscScript. The printers demanded PDF but, for some reason, > not all pages worked on their equipment so we ended up sending a mix of > PostScript and PDF pages burnt onto a CD. there are still issues and it > will take time to check which actions we took were necessary and which > didn't matter - we'll be covering our learning in future editions of > Acorn Publisher. I know RiScript is commercial and we should suppot the developers, but I find Ghostscript produces good PDF files. A particular weakness of RiScript (as far as I know) is the intermediate production of drawfiles and the consequent loss of clipping particularly of bitmaps. I haven't seen any announcement that this has been overcome. Now that there is TaborcaGS (available from http://www.sparkplug.org.uk/) which uses GhostScript to remove the 3 page limit of the original Taborca producing PDFs is getting easier. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 23:10:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037919937:20:29112:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:10:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037919937:20:29112:40; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:05:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103523; 21 Nov 2002 23:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18F0Mw-0001xC-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:04:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALN4GP32271 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:04:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALN4GK32266 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:04:16 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18F0Mp-00048d-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:04:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:01:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b991530d4john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <06c90c994b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <06c90c994b.philip@philipnet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.32) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 21 Nov, Philip Ludlam wrote: [Snip] > I wasn't referring to the alternative to Impression - I know what that > one is already :-) > I was actually referring to the person (or persons?) who might be taking > on maintainership of Impression. > Now presumably that is the person (persons?) who also wrote the article > referred to above in Acorn Publisher. > Now I don't read Acorn Publisher (but I've just been threatened with a > free issue!) so I don't know who this person is. > Personally I doubt that it is Martin Weurthner (MW Software). Martin wrote the article in Acorn Publisher. It is about what he has done on the ArtWorks modules and associated work. Acorn Publisher vol 9 issue 1 pp 13-15. > But can anyone enlighten me as to who might have taken on Impression? That is another matter that may take a few days to clarify. Martin has taken on ArtWorks - up to very recently CC had been reluctant to supply all the source code to him for eg the AWRender module. What may or may not be happening elsewhere is very much speculative but, with Cerilica about to finally release 1.10 of Vantage and having Omega and IYONIX compat versions (and more!) it looks like lots of interesting things are happening in the graphics/presentation area of RISC OS. ;-) [Snip] -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 23:20:48 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037920779:10:01423:88".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:20:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037920779:10:01423:88; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:19:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001595; 21 Nov 2002 23:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18F0bS-0006m0-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:19:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALNJJj01386 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:19:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALNJIn01382 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:19:18 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18F0bN-0006Jt-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:19:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:17:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b9916a5edjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.32) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 21 Nov, Anthony Hilton wrote: > A particular weakness of RiScript (as far as I know) is the intermediate > production of drawfiles and the consequent loss of clipping particularly > of bitmaps. I haven't seen any announcement that this has been overcome. AFAIK development of RiscScript continues. Clipping caused a 'problem' on one page of AP but the problem was only in my viewing the page. Once printed the page was OK. -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Nov 21 23:30:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037921285:10:15319:113".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:30:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037921285:10:15319:113; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:28:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015545; 21 Nov 2002 23:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18F0je-0003Dx-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:27:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gALNRjA02265 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:27:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALNRi202262 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:27:44 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-85-124.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.85.124]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AMZ81277; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:25:43 GMT Received: from Baskerville.english.co.uk (10.0.1.2) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:23:58 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021121230554.02fb3da0@wheresmymailserver.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:21:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Graddol Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news In-Reply-To: References: <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 21:45 21/11/02, you wrote: >>From: Acorn Publisher magazine > >We produced PostScript files from Ovation Pro and converted them to PDF >files using RiscScript. The printers demanded PDF but, for some reason, >not all pages worked on their equipment so we ended up sending a mix of >PostScript and PDF pages burnt onto a CD. there are still issues and it >will take time to check which actions we took were necessary and which >didn't matter - we'll be covering our learning in future editions of >Acorn Publisher. We produce quite a bit of print in OvPro and we've been handing over digitally to the printers for a couple of years or so. At first we sent postscript on CD, but now it is always PDF and usually over the internet direct to the printers' server. (Saves a day when you are up against the deadline!) However, we don't use RiScript. Even as a Reader it is excruciatingly slow (though later versions are a little bit better). We have both a Mac and a PC on our network, and we direct the postscript output from OvPro watched folder on the PC which kicks in Acrobat Distiller when it sees a file. That way we can hit the PRINT button and have a press ready PDF appear on the PC. We then do all the preflight checking on the PDF, and can do any conversions of artwork from RGB to CMYK on the PDF. In fact, you can set distiller to convert colour model as it produces the PDF. At some point in the pre-press/printing process the job will find its way on to a PC or, more likely, a Mac. It's just a question of whether a job makes the transition before or after it leaves you. We prefer to be able to control the process as much as possible ourselves. David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 01:40:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037928858:10:07923:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:40:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037928858:10:07923:42; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:34:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007803; 22 Nov 2002 1:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18F2h6-0001Tf-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:33:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAM1Wbl12686 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:32:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAM1WbF12683 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:32:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18F2gP-0000yA-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:32:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:30:58 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news References: <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021121230554.02fb3da0@wheresmymailserver.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021121230554.02fb3da0@wheresmymailserver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Tim Powys-Lybbe > I think the availability of aemulator for Iyonix has decreased the > chances of Impression being taken over and/or made 32 bit. I wonder. In the latest announcement, it was said that development of aemulator in C has stopped and that it was being converted to assembler. This has to be because the speed was not thought good enough. And while assembler is faster, it takes ages to get all the debugging done. And, of course, all portability is lost through abandoning C. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 01:50:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037929655:10:29751:108".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:50:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037929655:10:29751:108; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:47:35 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001491; 22 Nov 2002 1:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18F2uh-0007r0-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:47:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAM1lJL13493 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:47:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAM1lIs13490 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:47:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18F2uc-0002mW-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:47:18 +0000 Message-ID: <0kK5ZRTqxY39EwQL@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:46:18 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news References: <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021121230554.02fb3da0@wheresmymailserver.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I wonder. In the latest announcement, it was said that development of >aemulator in C has stopped and that it was being converted to >assembler. This has to be because the speed was not thought good >enough. And while assembler is faster, it takes ages to get all the >debugging done. > >And, of course, all portability is lost through abandoning C. Well I can understand doing such a project in assembler, it's usefulness outside RISC OS/ARM is limited. It is also (compared to Impression) quite small. I'm not sure I would (are they) converting every single bit to assembler. Convert just the bits that need speeding up... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 13:58:37 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037948165:10:00334:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:58:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037948165:10:00334:41; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:56:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000166; 22 Nov 2002 6:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18F7ic-00008J-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:55:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAM6shb31313 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:54:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAM6sgu31309 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:54:42 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18F7i4-00023l-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:54:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:53:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thu 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > Looking at the doc. Around line 320 > > STYLE_19={style "Diary" > {keypress ""} > {scope 1} > {spaceafter 3000} > {tabruler {tableader ""} {righttab 22677} > {lefttab 68031} > } > } <---------------------------------- > > STYLE_1a={style "SlimAd" > {keypress ""} > {scope 1} > > > I added the arrowed '}' (don't add the arrow). Now it would be dead > interesting to discover how that '}' got lost. Is the missing } put back in by editing the DDLFile or the OvPro File? > > If you can reproduce the problem (save as DDL, reload), I'd quite like > to see the original OP document file. So I'll try putting in the } before I test for the error message. > Nice magazine by the way. Thanks - printing today. Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 13:58:40 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037964727:10:04209:71".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:58:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037964727:10:04209:71; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:32:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110207; 22 Nov 2002 11:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18FBkO-0008UP-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:13:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAMBCrH01246 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:12:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMBCrd01240 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:12:53 GMT Received: from pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:40:13 +0000 Received: from workgroup.Riscpc (unverified [62.30.66.196]) by pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:40:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:06:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b98f4b7d2jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock wrote: > Just in case others are not aware, Martin Weurthner (MW Software) has > secured the license for the full ArtWorks project from Computer > Concepts Ltd. This means he can start to develop the application > itself as well as plug-in modules and patches. > Just to bring this back on topic - 'Here's to software developers who > continue to support the best British Operating System there is - may > they thrive and prosper - and continue 'giving' us goodies like > Ovation Pro and ArtWorks.' Why be chauvinist and risk irritating non-Brits? It's true enough without 'British', isn't it? Mind you, I agree with the sentiments. :-) Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 14:28:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037975092:20:11964:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:28:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037975092:20:11964:41; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:24:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ap2011624; 22 Nov 2002 14:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18FET6-0000fg-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:07:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAME75d22213 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:07:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAME74r22209 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:07:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18FESW-0005wW-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:07:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:05:52 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Is the missing } put back in by editing the DDLFile or the OvPro File? Editing the DDLfile. Not sure how you'd do it the other way. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 14:48:21 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037976465:20:11394:67".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:48:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037976465:20:11394:67; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:47:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2129561; 22 Nov 2002 14:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18FEV0-0003mQ-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:09:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAME9ar22633 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:09:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAME9aS22630 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:09:36 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18FEUx-0006Tx-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:09:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:08:08 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <4b98f4b7d2jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b98f4b7d2jack@ljsevans.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Why be chauvinist and risk irritating non-Brits? It's true enough >without 'British', isn't it? Mind you, I agree with the sentiments. :-) Remember when what is now Rover started waving the flag... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 15:18:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037977957:20:09017:120".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:18:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037977957:20:09017:120; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:12:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2009329; 22 Nov 2002 15:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18FF9X-0005aN-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:51:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAMEpOE00310 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:51:24 GMT Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMEpNI00304 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:51:23 GMT Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.176.108]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021122145122.NHEN29094.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:51:22 +0000 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE9B2D396 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:26:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 22 Nov 2002 14:26:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:26:42 GMT From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <56e169994b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021121230554.02fb3da0@wheresmymailserver.com> <0kK5ZRTqxY39EwQL@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0kK5ZRTqxY39EwQL@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 22 Nov, in message <0kK5ZRTqxY39EwQL@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >>I wonder. In the latest announcement, it was said that development of >>aemulator in C has stopped and that it was being converted to >>assembler. This has to be because the speed was not thought good >>enough. And while assembler is faster, it takes ages to get all the >>debugging done. >> >>And, of course, all portability is lost through abandoning C. > >Well I can understand doing such a project in assembler, it's usefulness >outside RISC OS/ARM is limited. It is also (compared to Impression) >quite small. I'm not sure I would (are they) converting every single bit >to assembler. Convert just the bits that need speeding up... When I spoke to the main developer behind aemulor (IIRC Adrian Lees) I did query him when he said he was going to convert it to Assembler. He said he was just going to do the bits which needed it, probably something along the lines of the 80/20 rule. FYI: 80/20 rule: 80% of the computer's time is spent in 20% of the code. so if that 20% is nice and fast (aka in ARM code) you will have a responsive piece of software. Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 17:28:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037985515:10:29420:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:28:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037985515:10:29420:59; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:18:35 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029393; 22 Nov 2002 17:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18FHIm-0007pc-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:09:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAMH8ae26292 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:08:36 GMT Received: from post-21.mail.nl.demon.net (post-21.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMH8Zk26288 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:08:36 GMT Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-21.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18FHIA-000OAL-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:08:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:59:22 +0100 (GMT) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news To: John Cartmell In-Reply-To: <4b9916a5edjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select [4.29] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi John, On Fri 22 Nov, John Cartmell wrote: > On 21 Nov, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > A particular weakness of RiScript (as far as I know) is the > > intermediate production of drawfiles and the consequent loss of > > clipping particularly of bitmaps. I haven't seen any announcement > > that this has been overcome. > > AFAIK development of RiscScript continues. Clipping caused a 'problem' > on one page of AP but the problem was only in my viewing the page. > Once printed the page was OK. Not really. When I prepared a leaflet - two sides on one A4 - and printed to PS file, the printer ran in all kinds of problems, because of graphics not clipped. Because of a very close deadline, I had to do something, and did the clipping myself in OP, which I hope I never have to do again. Absolute horror. Also big problems with irregular graphics frames and radial filled text, which need a solution for that moment. I know a well-known-ArtWorks-user-in-Holland has asked Cerelica to solve the clipping problem more than a year ago, but sofar ...? If above problems are addressed properly, I'll buy RiScript, but now it is of no use to me. Very sorry about that. I do hope I haven't disappointed anyone here, but IMHO clipping is vital, and should be addressed ASAP. Greetings from the Netherlands, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place You can never tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 19:08:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037991659:10:21968:240".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:08:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037991659:10:21968:240; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:00:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023042; 22 Nov 2002 19:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18FJ23-00028J-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:00:03 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAMIxVg14339 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:59:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMIxUl14333 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:59:30 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18FJ1U-0000B9-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:59:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:39:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Fri 22 Nov, David Pilling wrote: For want of a } ... Works perfectly. Thank you for guiding me through uncharted reefs. Charles > > >Is the missing } put back in by editing the DDLFile or the OvPro File? > > Editing the DDLfile. Not sure how you'd do it the other way. > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > > Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 19:08:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037991778:20:12253:148".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:08:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037991778:20:12253:148; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:02:58 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012412; 22 Nov 2002 19:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18FJ3l-0002NS-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:01:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAMJ1lc14751 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:01:47 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMJ1k914745 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:01:46 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021122190145.DADA2797.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:01:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:01:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4b9916a5edjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Thu 21 Nov, John Cartmell wrote: > On 21 Nov, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > A particular weakness of RiScript (as far as I know) is the intermediate > > production of drawfiles and the consequent loss of clipping particularly > > of bitmaps. I haven't seen any announcement that this has been overcome. > > AFAIK development of RiscScript continues. Clipping caused a 'problem' on > one page of AP but the problem was only in my viewing the page. Once > printed the page was OK. Was that one of the pages the printer needed as PostSript instead of PDF? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 20:08:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037995462:10:13990:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:08:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037995462:10:13990:46; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:04:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1108409; 22 Nov 2002 20:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18FK1Z-0006uf-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:03:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAMK2W021811 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:02:32 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMK2WS21808 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:02:32 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18FK0V-0004jK-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:02:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:59:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b99885d8fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b9916a5edjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.32) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 22 Nov, Anthony Hilton wrote: > Was that one of the pages the printer needed as PostSript instead of PDF? The printers had that page in both formats. I think they used PS in that case but the PDF was (I think) OK on that aspect. -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 20:08:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1037995457:20:02112:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:08:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1037995457:20:02112:52; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:04:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127037; 22 Nov 2002 20:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18FK1Z-0002rr-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:03:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAMK2Vx21805 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:02:31 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMK2Vm21802 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:02:31 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18FK0U-0004jK-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:02:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:56:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b9988136ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b9916a5edjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.32) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 22 Nov, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > I do hope I haven't disappointed anyone here, but IMHO clipping is > vital, and should be addressed ASAP. Which is why it's important that RiscScript *is* being developed. ;-) -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 21:38:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038000791:10:24019:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:38:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038000791:10:24019:48; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:33:11 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111621; 22 Nov 2002 21:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18FLPb-0002UV-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:32:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAMLUg831473 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:30:42 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMLUfD31469 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:30:42 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021122213041.WYKG28295.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:30:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:30:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4b99885d8fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Fri 22 Nov, John Cartmell wrote: > On 22 Nov, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > Was that one of the pages the printer needed as PostSript instead of PDF? > > The printers had that page in both formats. I think they used PS in that > case but the PDF was (I think) OK on that aspect. What do you use to view pdfs - Riscript? If you haven't already I suggest you get hold of a copy of !pdf (http://pdf.iconbar.com/) which has different limitations (not displaying embedded PostScript fonts) and might show whether the clipping is poor/faulty in the pdf. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 21:38:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038001101:10:00338:126".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:38:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038001101:10:00338:126; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:38:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123161; 22 Nov 2002 21:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18FLUi-0007f9-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:37:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAMLbjM32218 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:37:45 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMLbjA32214 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:37:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18FLUf-0001CD-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:37:45 +0000 Message-ID: <4AE6wSITNq39Ewzi@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:36:19 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >For want of a } ... Yes, but the interesting thing is why/how it gets lost... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 22 23:38:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038007837:20:11133:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:38:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038007837:20:11133:64; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:30:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2118135; 22 Nov 2002 23:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18FNFI-0003qv-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:30:00 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAMNTH909543 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:29:17 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMNTGJ09540 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:29:16 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18FNEZ-000Bs0-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:29:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:36:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b9996c412john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b99885d8fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.32) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 22 Nov, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Fri 22 Nov, John Cartmell wrote: > > On 22 Nov, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > Was that one of the pages the printer needed as PostSript instead of > > > PDF? > > > > The printers had that page in both formats. I think they used PS in > > that case but the PDF was (I think) OK on that aspect. > What do you use to view pdfs - Riscript? If you haven't already I > suggest you get hold of a copy of !pdf (http://pdf.iconbar.com/) which > has different limitations (not displaying embedded PostScript fonts) and > might show whether the clipping is poor/faulty in the pdf. I have it and I've just downloaded the upgrade. -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 23 01:38:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038014970:20:12294:75".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:38:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038014970:20:12294:75; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:29:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2117837; 23 Nov 2002 1:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18FP5j-0007gF-00; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:28:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAN1Rip22309 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:27:44 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAN1RhZ22305 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:27:44 GMT Received: from [62.188.122.167] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18FP5A-0006wu-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:27:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:57:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b99a396b9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Acorn Publisher magazine wrote: > On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > So what's this tale about AP going digital? Any consequences for OP > > etc.? > It works! > But then I didn't doubt it [except in dark moments at 4am). I can > honestly say I now know my way round the program far better than ever > before > We produced PostScript files from Ovation Pro and converted them to PDF > files using RiscScript. The printers demanded PDF but, for some reason, > not all pages worked on their equipment so we ended up sending a mix of > PostScript and PDF pages burnt onto a CD. there are still issues and it > will take time to check which actions we took were necessary and which > didn't matter - we'll be covering our learning in future editions of > Acorn Publisher. > Despite having some very large graphics files Ovation Pro behaved very > well (I think most of the faults were due to my ignorance) though it's > not an experience I want to repeat - apart from OP and the computer > practically everything else went wrong right up to and beyond all the > deadlines. > BTW - previous editions of Acorn Publisher were sent to T-J > Reproductions as Ovation Pro files and they produced film for the > printers. This time we had to produce the digital form ourselves. Some > first edition for a new editor! I've not yet seen the latest edition of AP as I've only recently renewed my subscription, so I'm still waiting for my copy to arrive (although this time it's to be sent to my home address). Is the latest edition printed on a digital press or is it done via film or CTP? When you talk of producing the digital form yourselves do you mean the PostScript/PDF files? Surely AP has always been produced via a digital method due to the fact that it's always been produced on a computer system. I'm not sure why you would have even anticipated that OPro could have been a problem in the production sequence? After all, T-J Repro have been using it to produce the film for previous editions for long enough. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 23 01:38:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038014973:20:12977:155".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:38:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038014973:20:12977:155; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:29:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014621; 23 Nov 2002 1:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18FP5j-0003XS-00; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:28:15 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAN1RkG22318 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:27:46 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAN1Rj022315 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:27:45 GMT Received: from [62.188.122.167] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18FP5C-0006wu-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:27:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:25:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b99a6326fgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021121230554.02fb3da0@wheresmymailserver.com> References: <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021121230554.02fb3da0@wheresmymailserver.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <5.1.1.6.0.20021121230554.02fb3da0@wheresmymailserver.com>, David Graddol wrote: > At 21:45 21/11/02, you wrote: > >>From: Acorn Publisher magazine > > > >We produced PostScript files from Ovation Pro and converted them to PDF > >files using RiscScript. The printers demanded PDF but, for some reason, > >not all pages worked on their equipment so we ended up sending a mix of > >PostScript and PDF pages burnt onto a CD. there are still issues and it > >will take time to check which actions we took were necessary and which > >didn't matter - we'll be covering our learning in future editions of > >Acorn Publisher. [snip] > However, we don't use RiScript. Even as a Reader it is excruciatingly > slow (though later versions are a little bit better). We have both a > Mac and a PC on our network, and we direct the postscript output from > OvPro watched folder on the PC which kicks in Acrobat Distiller when > it sees a file. That way we can hit the PRINT button and have a press > ready PDF appear on the PC. We then do all the preflight checking on > the PDF, and can do any conversions of artwork from RGB to CMYK on the > PDF. In fact, you can set distiller to convert colour model as it > produces the PDF. I would agree with David Graddol here. I would recommend you use Adobe Acrobat Distiller to produce the PDFs if that is what the printers are demanding as the format. It does so much more when creating the PDF than RiScript does. The main reason for using the Adobe tools is to remove all the unwanted waste from the PostScript. This is especially important if (as I would expect) the printers are importing the PDF files into imposition software and not just ripping them out. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 23 13:47:12 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038040051:20:12121:130".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:47:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038040051:20:12121:130; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:27:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123472; 23 Nov 2002 8:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18FVcj-0008Nz-00; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:26:45 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAN8Q9X11067 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:26:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAN8Q9611064 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:26:09 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18FVc8-0005oB-0U; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:26:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:05:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4AE6wSITNq39Ewzi@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Fri 22 Nov, David Pilling wrote: Could it be when a style was edited in the OvPro document? I have sent you directly text file selections from DDLFiles of the last error free OvPro document and one from the first OvPro document with the error. This must have been caused in May 2002, and the OvPro document has behaved faultlessly every month since without the "}". > > >For want of a } ... > > Yes, but the interesting thing is why/how it gets lost... [snip--- snip--- snip--- ] Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 23 13:47:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038046419:20:26366:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:47:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038046419:20:26366:53; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:13:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2027204; 23 Nov 2002 10:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18FXGU-0001S5-00; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:11:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gANABJo19105 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:11:19 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gANABIU19102 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:11:18 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18FXFt-00023b-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:11:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:20:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b99d1ae90john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b99a396b9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <4b99a396b9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.32) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 23 Nov, Gavin Crawford wrote: > Is the latest edition printed on a digital press or is it done via film > or CTP? digital press > When you talk of producing the digital form yourselves do you mean the > PostScript/PDF files? Surely AP has always been produced via a digital > method due to the fact that it's always been produced on a computer > system. Apologies. Short hand for PS/PDF. All the hard work was previously done by T-J Reproductions who produced film. Film is no longer acceptable -even to the extent that repeat ads had to be re-done. ;-( -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 23 14:06:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038060032:20:02579:78".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:06:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038060032:20:02579:78; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:00:32 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003359; 23 Nov 2002 13:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18FaoI-0002EC-00; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:59:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gANDwRF05942 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:58:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gANDwRO05939 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:58:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Fani-0005S1-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:58:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:56:57 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object References: <4AE6wSITNq39Ewzi@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Could it be when a style was edited in the OvPro document? No, it doesn't work that way. A DDL file is produced from a Document, but there's no simple correspondence between things like {}'s in the DDL and what is in the document. There's a program which says when writing a DDL file "for each style output a '{' then output the style definition, then output another '}'" So why would it decide to miss out the '}' for just one style in your document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 23 14:06:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038060135:10:27412:157".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:06:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038060135:10:27412:157; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:02:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129652; 23 Nov 2002 14:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Faqz-0002NP-00; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:01:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gANE1lL06335 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:01:47 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gANE1lW06332 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:01:47 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Faqx-0003xC-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:01:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:00:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Off topic - but such good news References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <4b99a396b9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4b99d1ae90john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b99d1ae90john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: > I'm not sure why you would have even anticipated that OPro could have > been a problem in the production sequence? After all, T-J Repro have > been using it to produce the film for previous editions for long > enough. > As former editor of Acorn Publisher I will try to clarify some matters. Traditionally AP was originated in Impression (early volumes) and Ovation Pro (later volumes). From either PostScript was generated, run through an imagesetter to produce film. In the meantime the printers introduced a CTP (computer to plate) system which takes a run of pages (in Quark or PDF format), imposes the pages into sections and outputs plates direct (the so-called digital route). In volume 8 I had started to output some sections via this route: output to PostScript, convert to PDF using Acrobat Distiller on a Mac and supplying PDF to printers. Had I continued I would have moved to a wholly digital route, but by the end of volume 8 I had not tested out colour pages and that is where John Cartmell, I believe, encountered problems. In my view RiScript has limitations for generating PDF; Distiller (not unexpectedly) makes a better job of this. In general pre-press systems like CTP assume that all colour work is in CMYK format. Mac and PC users are aware of this as their software is not otherwise able to cope automatically with RGB to CMYK conversion. While it may not be all the problem (or even a problem at all) it does seem that those running CTP systems expect CMYK. I don't think whether OP or Impression is used is an issue. Sorry if this is a bit lengthy. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Nov 23 14:16:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038060710:10:07050:126".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:16:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038060710:10:07050:126; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:11:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011024; 23 Nov 2002 14:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Fazt-00042Z-00; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:11:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gANEAwg07223 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:10:58 GMT Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gANEAwG07219 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:10:58 GMT Received: from modem-2518.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.137.214] helo=riscpc) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Fazo-0001UW-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:10:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:05:01 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <41bbeb994b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > >From: Acorn Publisher magazine > > On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >.. ;-) > > > > > > So what's this tale about AP going digital? Any consequences for OP > > etc.? > > It works! > But then I didn't doubt it [except in dark moments at 4am). I can > honestly say I now know my way round the program far better than ever > before > > We produced PostScript files from Ovation Pro and converted them to PDF > files using RiscScript. The printers demanded PDF but, for some reason, > not all pages worked on their equipment so we ended up sending a mix of > PostScript and PDF pages burnt onto a CD. there are still issues and it > will take time to check which actions we took were necessary and which > didn't matter - we'll be covering our learning in future editions of > Acorn Publisher. Did you meet the well known problem Riscript has with OPro output - pictures clipped by the frame do not clip in the PDF output? I use Ghostscript to produce output for a digital press and so far it has worked perfectly - although I am only dealing with single sheets. > > Despite having some very large graphics files Ovation Pro behaved very > well (I think most of the faults were due to my ignorance) though it's > not an experience I want to repeat - apart from OP and the computer > practically everything else went wrong right up to and beyond all the > deadlines. > > BTW - previous editions of Acorn Publisher were sent to T-J > Reproductions as Ovation Pro files and they produced film for the > printers. This time we had to produce the digital form ourselves. Some > first edition for a new editor! Well done anyway - it's well up to standard. Alan -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 26 17:35:24 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038074817:20:14494:307".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:35:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038074817:20:14494:307; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:06:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127798; 23 Nov 2002 18:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18FeeU-0008BV-00; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:05:10 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gANI53c04631 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:05:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gANI52Z04628 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:05:02 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18FeeM-000DFN-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:05:02 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:56:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sat 23 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > So why would it decide to miss out the '}' for just one style in your > document. Would it help at all to send you compressed versions of the two OvPro files? Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 26 17:35:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038072199:10:23437:84".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:35:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038072199:10:23437:84; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:23:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1124683; 23 Nov 2002 17:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Fdzf-0004PB-00; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:22:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gANHLnd00622 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:21:49 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gANHLm500616 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:21:48 GMT Received: from [62.188.120.73] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18FdyT-0006jf-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:21:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:18:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Off topic - but such good news Message-ID: <4b99fd751egav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b98f12d19badger.sett@freeuk.com> <+Ym7WWGZqR39EwjZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <200211211800.44292.mark@idrsolutions.com> <524603994b.philip@philipnet.com> <4b9904cb24lists@locsource.com> <4b99a396b9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4b99d1ae90john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Mike Williams wrote: >> I'm not sure why you would have even anticipated that OPro could have >> been a problem in the production sequence? After all, T-J Repro have >> been using it to produce the film for previous editions for long >> enough. > As former editor of Acorn Publisher I will try to clarify some matters. > Traditionally AP was originated in Impression (early volumes) and > Ovation Pro (later volumes). From either PostScript was generated, run > through an imagesetter to produce film. > In the meantime the printers introduced a CTP (computer to plate) > system which takes a run of pages (in Quark or PDF format), imposes > the pages into sections and outputs plates direct (the so-called > digital route). In that case it's only the imposition that has really changed to a 'digital' process instead of being imposed by hand. In the print trade, when they talk of 'digital', it is usually referring to the print method i.e. the press used is a digital press. [1] Although John says AP 9:1 is now done on a digital press. Using CTP doesn't really cover the term digital, as it's no more digital than using a film setter, it just produces output as a plate as opposed to film. [trying to get back on-topic for this list :-) ] Of course there's no reason why the imposition couldn't be performed by OPro itself, using the Imposit applet and the right script. > In general pre-press systems like CTP assume that all colour work is in > CMYK format. Mac and PC users are aware of this as their software is > not otherwise able to cope automatically with RGB to CMYK conversion. > While it may not be all the problem (or even a problem at all) it does > seem that those running CTP systems expect CMYK. I don't think whether > OP or Impression is used is an issue. That is a bit misleading, as a CTP 'System' can be thought of as a number of separate components. The machine that produces the plates is a plate setter. That gets its image fed to it by a RIP (raster image processor). The RIPs job is to convert data, such as PostScript or PDF, and create the image data for the plate setter that is specific for that machine. From what you have described, the other component in the process is the imposition. This could be handled by the RIP software (usually as a extra plugin) or could be a completely separate software package. Some imposition software will happily deal with files in RGB or CMYK, or even a mixture of the two. The RIP itself should handle RGB to CMYK conversion but I would expect that the imposition software would be sending pre-separated data to be ripped. Many decent imposition software packages can accept files from applications that can't produce seps or CMYK colour, such as MS word or RGB JPEGs or Tiffs etc. > Sorry if this is a bit lengthy. Not as lengthy as mine :-) (ooh err missus) I'm sure David Pilling doesn't overly mind too much when the topics of discussion on this list move away from his software, but maybe John should think about setting up an Acorn Publisher mailing list and create a place where people can ask questions and discuss publishing related topics and of course discuss the magazine articles. [1] some general info about digital presses. (very off topic) There are a number of different forms of digital press - there's the direct image type (or Digital Image), as in the Heidelberg Quickmaster DI range, which is a conventional offset press that has a digital imaging plate system. The plates are imaged directly on the press which cuts out the time taken to mount and align the plates. The other forms of digital presses are more akin to colour laser and photocopier technology. Presses like the Indigo E-Print/turbostream/Ultrastream (and HP Digital Press 6600) actually use liquid inks, as opposed to toners in other systems, and produce an effect that is very similar to litho printing. The different forms of digital presses suit different requirements and have created new niche markets. For example, the Direct Image presses are standard litho presses so can print on any stock (paper/board/etc.) that the normal press can handle. Presses like the Indigo and Canon DocuColor are a lot more picky about what they can feed. Inks are another issue. On a conventional litho press (and DI presses) you can mix your own inks - toner and liquid ink systems aren't as flexible in this respect. Where the toner and liquid ink systems really come into their own is short run variable data, such as direct marketing where each sheet is altered to have a different image, could be a change of name/address, photo, price etc. Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 26 17:35:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038073039:10:07431:98".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:35:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038073039:10:07431:98; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:37:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122304; 23 Nov 2002 17:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18FeDL-0006Mp-00; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:37:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gANHb5v02067 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:37:05 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gANHb5c02064 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:37:05 GMT Received: from [81.96.125.217] by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021123173704.PWUE2797.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@[81.96.125.217]> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:37:04 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:36:22 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Off topic - but such good news From: Akalat Publishing To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4b99fd751egav@crawford-print.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist on 23/11/02 6:18 pm, Gavin Crawford wrote: [lots snipped] >> In general pre-press systems like CTP assume that all colour work is in >> CMYK format. Mac and PC users are aware of this as their software is >> not otherwise able to cope automatically with RGB to CMYK conversion. >> While it may not be all the problem (or even a problem at all) it does >> seem that those running CTP systems expect CMYK. I don't think whether >> OP or Impression is used is an issue. > > That is a bit misleading, as a CTP 'System' can be thought of as a > number of separate components. The machine that produces the plates is > a plate setter. That gets its image fed to it by a RIP (raster image > processor). The RIPs job is to convert data, such as PostScript or PDF, > and create the image data for the plate setter that is specific for that > machine. From what you have described, the other component in the > process is the imposition. This could be handled by the RIP software > (usually as a extra plugin) or could be a completely separate software > package. Some imposition software will happily deal with files in RGB or > CMYK, or even a mixture of the two. The RIP itself should handle RGB to > CMYK conversion but I would expect that the imposition software would be > sending pre-separated data to be ripped. Many decent imposition software > packages can accept files from applications that can't produce seps or > CMYK colour, such as MS word or RGB JPEGs or Tiffs etc. > I was trying to keep things simple (and practical). While I believe it is correct tht imposition systems can be set up to handle a variety of inputs, this sems to be a relatively complex process and printers I have dealt with seem to have a limited number of work flows programmed onto their systems. As such, while RGB may theoretically be acceptable input, the work flows aren't there to cope because most professional designers are accustomed to a CMYK work flow. Mind you, I am well short of having much expertise in this field. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Nov 26 22:25:17 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038347845:10:17130:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:25:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038347845:10:17130:55; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:57:25 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016765; 26 Nov 2002 21:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Gngo-00054i-00; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:56:18 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAQLtXj19564 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:55:33 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAQLtXD19560 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:55:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Gng3-0005yl-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:55:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:54:16 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Would it help at all to send you compressed versions of the two OvPro Just the one that saves to a DDL file with a missing bracket would be good. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 27 15:57:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038412443:20:28161:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:57:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038412443:20:28161:49; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:54:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2027179; 27 Nov 2002 15:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18H4Tk-0004Td-00; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:51:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gARFp7o21384 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:51:07 GMT Received: from mailhost2.mistral.co.uk (mailhost2.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.181]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gARFp7321380 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:51:07 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d10-186-5-dial.mistral.co.uk [213.254.186.5]) by mailhost2.mistral.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CAF830633 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:51:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:48:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: [softwarelist] off topic: 1440dpi printing To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Sorry Only just noticed this. I use an Epson PhotoEx at 1440 dpi with the spacetech/photodesk photoreal driver. PhotoEx is not a current model, but the photoreal drivers do seem to use the full resolution. (How they get round the !Printers limitation I don't know.) The alternative is of course to use Postscript. But Postscript does not always work well for bitmapped images. Steve On Tue 19 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >From: > > > > Is there anyone in RISC OS land who uses an inkjet printer for photos at > 1440 dpi? If so: with which hardware/OS version/software? > > Cheers, > > Jochen Konietzko > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > > -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 27 18:17:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038420957:20:04112:67".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:17:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038420957:20:04112:67; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:15:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101693; 27 Nov 2002 18:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18H6iD-0000R7-00; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:15:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gARIEOu26096 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:14:24 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gARIENV26091 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:14:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18H6hb-0005UM-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:14:23 +0000 Message-ID: <5IV6iSCssQ59EwDm@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:13:00 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Would it help at all to send you compressed versions of the two OvPro Thanks for the file. The source of the trouble seems to be that a tab ruler is corrupt, when outputting that tab ruler to DDL, the corruption makes OP get confused with it's }'s. As to corruption I've added some code to OP which will make it possible to say with certainty if document corruption is coming from filing system problems. However in this case I'd suspect some sort of OP bug is the source. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 27 18:27:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038421102:20:08217:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:27:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038421102:20:08217:66; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:18:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107331; 27 Nov 2002 18:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18H6iD-0000R8-00; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:15:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gARIEXg26119 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:14:33 GMT Received: from he102war.uk.vianw.net (he102war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.209]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gARIEXO26116 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:14:33 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.250] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he102war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18H6hh-0001Iy-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:14:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:19:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] The alternative OPro web site Message-ID: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Things have been very quiet recently, primarily since I have had nothing to add for some time now. I have added a page of links to resources held on remote sites. If there is anyone with their own resources and would like a link added then please let me know. The urls are: http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/index.html http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/index.html The links page is currently to be found in the applets page. Regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 27 19:57:30 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038426716:20:22402:248".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:57:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038426716:20:22402:248; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:51:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112258; 27 Nov 2002 19:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18H8DQ-00076w-00; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:51:20 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gARJoYo07080 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:50:34 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gARJoYv07077 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:50:34 GMT Received: from nmalden.demon.co.uk ([158.152.194.89]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18H8Ce-0006l2-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:50:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:16:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DDLFile -unknown object To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <5IV6iSCssQ59EwDm@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4; Grandpa x4; Surveyor; DTP-er; '42-er X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 27 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > As to corruption I've added some code to OP which will make it possible > to say with certainty if document corruption is coming from filing > system problems. > > However in this case I'd suspect some sort of OP bug is the source. Well, it is comforting to know that I don't appear to be guilty just this once. Thanks, David > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > Charles -- Home: 020 8949 0708-Vox; 079 5620 0176-Mobile; 087 0164 0025-Fax RiscOS4--Listowner procad-users. ProCAD+ http://www.zynet.co.uk/dsnell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 29 14:22:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038562797:20:19880:94".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:22:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038562797:20:19880:94; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:39:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109901; 29 Nov 2002 9:39 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18HhQy-0004Re-00; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:27:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAT9RFP07783 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:27:15 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAT9RFX07778 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:27:15 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id gAT9RHNe030373 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:27:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:26:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] ArcFax and Printers+ Message-ID: <4b9ce94844ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist ArcFax 1.19 doesn't work with !Printers+ on my machine using RISC OS 4.33. I used the ArcFax PDF that came with Printers+. When I print to ArcFax it creates a file in ArcFaxTmp and opens the ArcFax window. Clicking on View gives an error from AF type=2, a post mortem window and then ArcFax quits. The file in ArcFaxTmp disappears as well. This is entirely repeatable. If I quit Printers+ and load Printers 1.64a it all works fine. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 29 14:42:21 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038580490:20:29866:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:42:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038580490:20:29866:56; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:34:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100414; 29 Nov 2002 14:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18HmAP-0005Iy-00; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:30:53 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gATERY431333 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:27:34 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gATERXM31328 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:27:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Hm7B-0004wc-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:27:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:26:05 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and Printers+ References: <4b9ce94844ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b9ce94844ray@raydawson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >ArcFax 1.19 doesn't work with !Printers+ on my machine using RISC OS >4.33. I used the ArcFax PDF that came with Printers+. Ah now this is interesting. At some point ROL supplied an ArcFax PDF with select which doesn't work (in the way you describe). I don't know why they did this, and I assumed some of the people affected reported it to ROL. The only advice I have, is don't use the PDF, use the one that comes with ArcFax. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 29 16:42:21 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038587844:20:01082:125".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:42:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038587844:20:01082:125; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:37:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2002807; 29 Nov 2002 16:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Ho0A-0002ll-00; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:28:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gATGS0L21197 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:28:00 GMT Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gATGRxQ21186 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:28:00 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id gATGS5Nd019793 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:28:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:22:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and Printers+ Message-ID: <4b9d0f592eray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4b9ce94844ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >ArcFax 1.19 doesn't work with !Printers+ on my machine using RISC OS > >4.33. I used the ArcFax PDF that came with Printers+. > Ah now this is interesting. At some point ROL supplied an ArcFax PDF > with select which doesn't work (in the way you describe). I don't know > why they did this, and I assumed some of the people affected reported > it to ROL. > The only advice I have, is don't use the PDF, use the one that comes > with ArcFax. Thanks David, that was the cause. I've gone back to the old PDF and it now works. I'll pass it onto the Select mail list. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 29 21:52:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038606566:20:16449:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:52:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038606566:20:16449:41; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:49:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100609; 29 Nov 2002 21:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Ht0F-0006ec-00; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:48:51 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gATLmIo30535 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:48:18 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gATLmIY30532 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:48:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Hszh-00032a-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:48:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:46:50 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] News bits References: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, I'm starting to roll out 32 bit upgrades. Easiest link is from http://www.davidpilling.net/news.html where they are listed at the end. Only the easy ones at the moment. I guess, hope etc. that they will near 100% over the next week (or two). Really only of interest if you're amongst the lucky 50 buying an Iyonix this weekend. Changing subject. I'm able to happily supply USB drivers for the Epson 1650 and 1660 using the Simtec card. The cheaper Epsons e.g. 1250 are not compatible with this driver. I suspect the more expensive Epsons are OK, but I've not been able to test one. This has been an epic project, I started work on it in May... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 16:49:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038676275:20:19659:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:49:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038676275:20:19659:42; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:11:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019168; 30 Nov 2002 17:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18IB8Z-0007yS-00; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:10:39 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAUHA5d14539 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:10:05 GMT Received: from sulphur.cix.co.uk (sulphur.cix.co.uk [212.35.225.149]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAUHA4714535 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:10:04 GMT Received: from puffin.cix.co.uk (s37.pool.pm3-tele-3.cix.co.uk [194.153.23.37]) by sulphur.cix.co.uk (8.11.3/CIX/8.11.3) with SMTP id gAUHA2g20188 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:10:03 GMT X-Envelope-From: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:45:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Mawhood Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Fri 29 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > ... to happily supply USB drivers ... Thanks David, and the team on the USS Enterprise too! ;-) Richard Mawhood -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 16:49:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038678664:20:08382:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:49:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038678664:20:08382:46; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:51:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121377; 30 Nov 2002 17:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18IBl5-0006Oi-00; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:50:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAUHoM918365 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:50:22 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAUHoLB18360 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:50:21 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021130175021.RTCS7059.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:50:21 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:50:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Fri 29 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm starting to roll out 32 bit upgrades. Easiest link is from > > http://www.davidpilling.net/news.html > > where they are listed at the end. > > Only the easy ones at the moment. I guess, hope etc. that they will near > 100% over the next week (or two). > > Really only of interest if you're amongst the lucky 50 buying an Iyonix > this weekend. Your software isn't listed on the Iyonix 32bit software page (http://www.iyonix.com/software/) yet David, even though one of the screenshots from today's Midlands show (http://prowl.org/g0tai/IMG0171.JPG) linked from Drobe clearly has OvationPro loaded on the icon bar while the OS info box shows RISC OS 5 Time for you to chase Castle? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 16:50:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038880917:20:22585:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:50:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038880917:20:22585:47; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 02:01:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125336; 3 Dec 2002 2:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18J2NM-00058M-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 02:01:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB320o827125 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:00:50 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB320mj27109 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:00:49 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p202-36-220-155.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.155]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gB320it25987 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:00:45 +1300 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:20:42 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.38 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I downloaded this upgrade when it was announced but dumped it almost straight away as any attemp to save to an archive appeared to freeze the computer solid. Recently I tried again and found that there wasn't a lockup it was just that things were happening VERY slowly. It was taking about two minutes between each file appearing in the archive Anybody have any ideas? seasons greetings ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - COSMETIC BRAIN SURGERY -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 16:50:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038885902:20:09937:92".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:50:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038885902:20:09937:92; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 03:25:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011027; 3 Dec 2002 3:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18J3fo-0001N0-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 03:24:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB33NvK32294 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:23:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB33Nvi32291 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:23:57 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18J3fA-0007SY-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 03:23:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 02:40:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.38 Message-ID: <4b9ed37411Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Dan McCarthy wrote: > I downloaded this upgrade when it was announced but dumped it almost > straight away as any attempt to save to an archive appeared to freeze > the computer solid. > Recently I tried again and found that there wasn't a lockup it was just > that things were happening VERY slowly. It was taking about two minutes > between each file appearing in the archive > Anybody have any ideas? What machine are you using, and what sort of file sizes are you putting into your archives? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 16:50:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038916894:20:21407:92".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:50:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038916894:20:21407:92; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:01:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117456; 3 Dec 2002 12:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18JBit-0003HG-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:00:19 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB3BxeA28023 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:59:40 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB3Bxex28018 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:59:40 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18JBiE-00017b-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:59:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:33:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.38 Message-ID: <4b9f0439e1Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b9ed37411Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Dan McCarthy wrote: > On Tue 03 Dec, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > What machine are you using, and what sort of file sizes are you > > putting into your archives? > RiscPC 700 riscOS 3.7 > Files mostly three to five hundred kb sometimes as big as 3mb but the > point is that 1.37 is about twenty times faster no problem with reading > from archives Well I've a SA RPC and 3.70 and don't have any problems, provided files are small. But I've read of various people complaining that building archives with biggish files can be slow, and I think it gets slower as you add more and more to an archive (not sure why). I have 8M RAM allocated to !SparkFS in its choices - I dunno if this is a typical amount, or indeed if it affects things much. Also, most of the time when I'm building an archive I place it on my RAM disk while its being built, and move it afterwards. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 16:50:24 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038692966:10:22649:100".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:50:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038692966:10:22649:100; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:49:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108011; 30 Nov 2002 21:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18IFTv-0001z0-00; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:48:59 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAULmUJ08198 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:48:30 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAULmUc08195 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:48:30 GMT Received: from [62.188.154.48] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18IFTP-0007dp-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:48:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:49:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits Message-ID: <4b9dab9520steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 29 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > I'm starting to roll out 32 bit upgrades. Easiest link is from > http://www.davidpilling.net/news.html > where they are listed at the end. Nice, time to log on and look I think. > Only the easy ones at the moment. I guess, hope etc. that they will near > 100% over the next week (or two). I gather from people at the show, that you've been producing image translation stuff as an alternate to ImageFS... > Really only of interest if you're amongst the lucky 50 buying an Iyonix > this weekend. Still clearing space in the other room, they looked pretty on the stand though. As did the copy of Oregano2 that John Balance was playing with (sorry, "demonstrating") -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 16:50:46 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038880919:10:11567:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:50:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038880919:10:11567:68; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 02:01:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011469; 3 Dec 2002 2:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18J2NM-00058N-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 02:01:28 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB320oO27115 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:00:50 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB320lI27101 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:00:48 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p202-36-220-155.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.155]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gB320gt25978 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:00:43 +1300 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:20:40 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: [softwarelist] Nameless Image thingumy To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Like many others I am eagerly awaiting the windows version of Ovation Pro but even more I would like a PC version of the scanning software. When I was attempting to print a JPEG on the windose thing I seemed to need three different applications to crop scale and rotate an image. I couldn't find anything that would do nifty things like gamma corrections I have no intention of abandoning the Acorn but I am needing something better to print colour stuff on, and the PC is unfortunately the only affordable way of getting it Regards ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - HIGH ALTITUDE SKIN DIVING -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 16:50:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038901074:10:20406:102".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:50:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038901074:10:20406:102; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 07:37:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101589; 3 Dec 2002 7:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18J7cR-0001XV-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 07:37:23 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB37arO15019 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:36:53 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB37arU15014 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:36:53 GMT Received: from modem-842.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.131.74] helo=westonontrent.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18J7bv-0004AA-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 07:36:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry T To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 07:29:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Nameless Image thingumy Message-ID: <4b9eedd9a9Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Dan McCarthy wrote: > Like many others I am eagerly awaiting the windows version > of Ovation Pro but even more I would like a PC version of > the scanning software. > When I was attempting to print a JPEG on the windose thing > I seemed to need three different applications to crop scale > and rotate an image. I couldn't find anything that would do > nifty things like gamma corrections While awaiting the arrival of the RISC OS software, could I recomment Adobe Photoshop Elements version 2. It can do what you want and more. It is an excellent program for digital photographers etc. It is on special offer at a number of software vendors. > I have no intention of abandoning the Acorn but I am needing > something better to print colour stuff on, and the PC is > unfortunately the only affordable way of getting it [Snip] -- Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 16:50:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038901157:10:22238:176".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:50:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038901157:10:22238:176; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 07:39:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021641; 3 Dec 2002 7:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18J7dN-0004Ex-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 07:38:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB37cKQ15158 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:38:20 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB37cAD15147 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:38:11 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p202-36-220-157.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.157]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gB37c6Q19598 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:38:06 +1300 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:57:48 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.38 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b9ed37411Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tue 03 Dec, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > Recently I tried again and found that there wasn't a lockup it was just > > that things were happening VERY slowly. It was taking about two minutes > > between each file appearing in the archive > > > Anybody have any ideas? > > What machine are you using, and what sort of file sizes are you putting > into your archives? > RiscPC 700 riscOS 3.7 Files mostly three to five hundred kb sometimes as big as 3mb but the point is that 1.37 is about twenty times faster no problem with reading from archives Cheers ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - HEAT TREATED ICE -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 18:09:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038938393:20:27538:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:09:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038938393:20:27538:68; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 17:59:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027655; 3 Dec 2002 17:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JHJT-00006h-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 17:58:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB3HvvW07347 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:57:57 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB3Hvv007342 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:57:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18JHIy-0006Rn-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 17:57:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:56:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.38 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Recently I tried again and found that there wasn't a lockup >it was just that things were happening VERY slowly. It was taking >about two minutes between each file appearing in the archive Two things, in general configuration. It used to be that SparkFS was slow when adding files to archives which contained lots of files, because after each file was added the archive would be closed. At some point I added a feature which improved this, and a *command (ImgageFSTimeout?) which you could use to enable it. Secondly there is a command which lets you set the strength of Zip compression, turn it up and zipping is slower. So maybe your copy of SparkFS was set up to be faster and the upgrade is resetting things. The other point is that some data will take a long time to Zip compress. It's pattern dependent, the odd file will take a long time. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 18:29:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038939622:10:02522:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:29:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038939622:10:02522:60; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:20:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1001887; 3 Dec 2002 18:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JHQn-0000i5-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:06:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB3I5wn09428 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:05:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB3I5w909425 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:05:58 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18JHQj-0004PB-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:05:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:04:34 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Nameless Image thingumy References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >of Ovation Pro but even more I would like a PC version of >the scanning software. Um well, various problems mean I have no plans to release the Windows version soon. I'd suggest IrfanView, which bears a resemblance to my program, and is in some ways better (sob), and is free (sob sob). #1 on tucows at the moment. Back in May I bought an Epson 1650 scanner to do the USB development with, anyway it came with Adobe Photoshop Elements, the whole thing including a transparency adapter cost about 130 quid. This amounts to Adobe giving away a substantial piece of software. The tranny adapter is the first one I've seen that gives usable results on 35mm slides/negatives from a flat bed scanner. And the purpose of this tale is not to encourage you to go out and buy a RISC OS USB card, but to point out just what any developer of RISC OS software like Photoshop is up against. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 18:49:18 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038940773:10:10710:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:49:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038940773:10:10710:55; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:39:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112060; 3 Dec 2002 18:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JHwV-0003Du-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:38:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB3Icgu21097 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:38:42 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB3Icgo21092 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:38:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18JHwP-0007bD-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:38:41 +0000 Message-ID: <4GPaB4GNnP79EwD9@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:37:01 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Nameless Image thingumy References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Ed Donnelly [snip] > The tranny adapter is the first one I've seen that gives usable results > on 35mm slides/negatives from a flat bed scanner. >Out of interest, does your TWAIN driver for the 1660 support the >transparency adaptor you can buy separately for larger film sizes? I recently >ordered the scanner/USB offer from STD, I'd love the chance to scan my >medium format films. Thanks for the order. I sent the software off on Saturday and would expect you to have it by now. I've not tried the larger adapter, I'd not heard of it, however I would expect it to work, given the way the hardware tells the driver how big the tranny adapter is. My drivers work with the older Epson adapters which are much bigger. Finally you're posting to the old list address @barnet... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 19:19:18 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038942888:20:05985:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:19:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038942888:20:05985:48; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:14:48 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005683; 3 Dec 2002 19:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18JIUN-0000GN-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:13:47 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB3JDID26254 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:13:18 GMT Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB3JDHu26250 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:13:17 GMT Received: from localhost.com (213-78-91-46.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.91.46]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANT20425; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:13:21 GMT Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:13:07 GMT From: Ed Donnelly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Nameless Image thingumy Message-ID: <674c2e9f4b.eddonnelly@freeuk.com> References: <4GPaB4GNnP79EwD9@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4GPaB4GNnP79EwD9@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: You must be joking User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00g) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id gB3JDIu26251 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Lo, in message <4GPaB4GNnP79EwD9@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling did write: > >From: Ed Donnelly > > Out of interest, does your TWAIN driver for the 1660 support the > > transparency adaptor you can buy separately for larger film sizes? I > > recently ordered the scanner/USB offer from STD, I'd love the chance > > to scan my medium format films. > > Thanks for the order. I sent the software off on Saturday and would > expect you to have it by now. Nothing as of yet, but seeing as I've spent most of the day trying to balance out some timing problems (et al) I'm in no immediate rush. > I've not tried the larger adapter, I'd not heard of it, They don't exactly shout about it, I only learned of its existence when I accidentally clicked on the wrong link in the HTML manual on the CD. Extremely minimalist details are at http://www.epson.co.uk/cgi-bin/epson-uk/options_details.pl?which=Perfect ion+1660+Photo There's much more info in the manual, from the pictures it replaces the hood altogether, lead and all. > however I would expect it to work, given the way the hardware tells > the driver how big the tranny adapter is. My drivers work with the > older Epson adapters which are much bigger. That's good to know. It's not inexpensive (c.80) so I can't afford one right now, when I can I'll probably get one and see how it goes. > Finally you're posting to the old list address @barnet... I wondered who'd be first to spot that deliberate mistake... Thanks, Ed -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 19:39:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038943880:10:15089:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:39:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038943880:10:15089:41; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:31:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106353; 3 Dec 2002 19:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18JIkZ-00027L-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:30:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB3JUSs28702 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:30:28 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB3JUS428698 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:30:28 GMT Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18JIkU-000JgM-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:30:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:11:02 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Paul Shayler Disposition-Notification-To: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Nameless Image thingumy References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S () Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message , David Pilling writes snip > >Back in May I bought an Epson 1650 scanner to do the USB development >with, anyway it came with Adobe Photoshop Elements, the whole thing >including a transparency adapter cost about 130 quid. This amounts to >Adobe giving away a substantial piece of software. > >The tranny adapter is the first one I've seen that gives usable results >on 35mm slides/negatives from a flat bed scanner. > >And the purpose of this tale is not to encourage you to go out and buy >a RISC OS USB card, but to point out just what any developer of RISC OS >software like Photoshop is up against. > Well you are right about that, David. The new Adobe Photoshop Elements 2 is amazing software for the price. Mind you Adobe have a "cast of thousands" working on software development. I think given the "resources" that you have available, you do a great job. Regards, Paul S. -- Paul Shayler -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 3 23:39:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038958168:20:15377:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:39:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038958168:20:15377:43; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:29:28 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014114; 3 Dec 2002 23:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18JMSo-0003OE-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:28:26 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB3NRrs14347 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:27:53 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB3NRqD14344 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:27:52 GMT Received: from userlc14.uk.uudial.com ([62.188.110.78] helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18JMS7-00051J-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:27:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:26:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Text-file of whole document Message-ID: <4b9f4589c1rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have a 250-page Ovation Pro document which comprises some 45 separate chapters. I want to produce a single text-file from this document i.e. without styles/effects or graphics - just plain text with the original line-feeds though. Is there any way I can do this without going through it chapter-by-chapter gradually building up the text-file by 'saving story as text'? It seems something which might already be an applet, but I don't know them very well. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 01:39:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038965802:20:01989:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:39:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038965802:20:01989:50; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 01:36:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115017; 4 Dec 2002 1:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18JOS6-00087A-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 01:35:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB41ZE926351 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:35:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB41ZDd26347 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:35:13 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18JORT-0001RG-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 01:35:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 01:29:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Text-file of whole document Message-ID: <4b9f50bd07Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b9f4589c1rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b9f4589c1rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b9f4589c1rayfavre@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Favre wrote: > Is there any way I can do this ? I can't remember... If not, you could try saving the file as DDL, then editing out all the preamble, then write a quick program to read through and write the plain text parts to an external file, while also responding to things like "{newpara}". -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 03:29:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038972345:20:15773:163".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:29:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038972345:20:15773:163; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:25:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016130; 4 Dec 2002 3:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18JQA8-0005c7-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:25:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB43Oue02306 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:24:56 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB43OuH02303 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:24:56 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18JQ9g-000EdS-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:24:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:23:33 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Text-file of whole document References: <4b9f4589c1rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4b9f50bd07Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b9f50bd07Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Brian Jordan On 04 Dec, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: you could try saving the file as DDL, then > then write a quick program to read through and write the plain text > parts to an external file, while also responding to things like > "{newpara}". Sounds like another case for DrWimp to me! -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 13:50:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038974227:20:29280:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:50:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038974227:20:29280:40; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:57:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029040; 4 Dec 2002 3:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JQeU-00054c-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:56:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB43uj404396 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:56:45 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB43uiY04388 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:56:44 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p202-36-220-165.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.165]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gB43ueo05338 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:56:40 +1300 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:55:28 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.38 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 04 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > Secondly there is a command which lets you set the strength of Zip > compression, turn it up and zipping is slower. > > So maybe your copy of SparkFS was set up to be faster and the upgrade is > resetting things. Thanks When you talk about *commands you are rapidly leaving me behind I am, after all 'A bear of very little brain' however a fiddle about in 'choices' seems to have speeded things up no end. > ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - HEAT TREATED ICE -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 13:50:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038974227:20:29271:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:50:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038974227:20:29271:51; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:57:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029052; 4 Dec 2002 3:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18JQeU-0006pV-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:56:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB43uid04390 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:56:44 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB43ugk04382 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:56:42 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p202-36-220-165.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.165]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gB43uco05332 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:56:38 +1300 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:02:07 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Nameless Image thingumy To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b9eedd9a9Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tue 03 Dec, Barry T wrote: > While awaiting the arrival of the RISC OS software, could I > recomment Adobe Photoshop Elements version 2. It can do what you > want and more. It is an excellent program for digital photographers > etc. > Thanks, I might try this, I see that it only a bit dear rather than morgage-the-house expensive like most Adobe software > It is on special offer at a number of software vendors. > Not here it ain't ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - HEAT TREATED ICE -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 13:50:12 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038974227:20:29247:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:50:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038974227:20:29247:51; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:57:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105111; 4 Dec 2002 3:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JQeU-00054d-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:56:46 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB43ug804386 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:56:42 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB43ue004381 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:56:41 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p202-36-220-165.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.165]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gB43uZo05329 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:56:35 +1300 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:11:02 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Nameless Image thingumy To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 04 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > I'd suggest IrfanView, which bears a resemblance to my program, and is > in some ways better (sob), and is free (sob sob). > > #1 on tucows at the moment. > I will have a look for this > > Back in May I bought an Epson 1650 scanner to do the USB development > with, anyway it came with Adobe Photoshop Elements, the whole thing > including a transparency adapter cost about 130 quid. This amounts to > Adobe giving away a substantial piece of software. Yes it is really. Elements 2.0 costs about three quarters of that on its own here ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - HEAT TREATED ICE -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 13:50:16 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038986468:20:14039:89".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:50:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038986468:20:14039:89; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:21:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014167; 4 Dec 2002 7:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JTpe-0000QS-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:20:30 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB47Inh16680 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:18:49 GMT Received: from aether.demon.co.uk (aether.demon.co.uk [158.152.186.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB47ImJ16677 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:18:48 GMT Received: from medusa.therealm ([192.168.0.2] helo=aether.demon.co.uk) by aether.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JToH-000Png-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:19:05 +0000 Received: from matthew by aether.demon.co.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.54) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 04 Dec 2002 07:18:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:18:10 GMT From: Matthew Hambley To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits Message-ID: References: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <4b9dab9520steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.54) (RISC-OS/4.33) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: [snip] > It's a roundabout way of saying the word we must never speak. They're > talking about the program that used to be called and is now known > as "David Pilling's Scanning Software", . > So all they mean is that it has been ported to 32 bits. We seriously need a new name for this software. All these circular discussions heavy with wink-wink's and elbow intensive gestures are getting tedious. I still like ImageMiester but I can see the problem with that. In a similar vain how about UberScan. :-) -- (\/)atthew )-(ambley ---------------\ If something's worth doing it's worth E-mail : matthew@aether.demon.co.uk \ doing badly until you can learn to Public key : C487AC52 \ do it well. Web : http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/ \----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 13:50:16 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038986932:20:25089:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:50:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038986932:20:25089:42; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:28:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024858; 4 Dec 2002 7:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JTx8-0000eM-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:28:14 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB47SAv17131 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:28:10 GMT Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB47SAT17127 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:28:10 GMT Received: from host213-122-212-101.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.212.101] helo=anon.anon) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18JTx2-0007Vn-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:28:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:26:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits Message-ID: <4b9f716543paul@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <4b9dab9520steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.33) X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Matthew Hambley wrote: > I still like ImageMiester but I can see the problem with that. In a > similar vain how about UberScan. :-) How about ImageDoctor - the Doctor always defeated the Master in the end anyway. ;-) -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ 101 uses for a Bill Gates: 10: The village idiot -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 13:50:17 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038994429:20:19663:91".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:50:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038994429:20:19663:91; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:33:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125281; 4 Dec 2002 9:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18JVtT-00060i-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:32:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB49WSw32379 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:32:28 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (murphys.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.225]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gB49WSh32375 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:32:28 GMT Received: (qmail 4219 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 09:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO penitentiary.servers.plus.net) (192.168.227.20) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 09:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 6148 invoked by uid 99); 4 Dec 2002 09:32:22 -0000 Date: 4 Dec 2002 09:32:22 -0000 To: rayfavre@argonet.co.uk, softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Text-file of whole document From: CC: X-Mailer: PlusMail Message-ID: <20021204093222.tinshill@force9> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have a 250-page Ovation Pro document which comprises some 45 >separate chapters. > >I want to produce a single text-file from this document i.e. without >styles/effects or graphics - just plain text with the original >line-feeds though. > >Is there any way I can do this without going through it >chapter-by-chapter gradually building up the text-file by 'saving >story as text'? > >It seems something which might already be an applet, but I don't know >them very well. If there isn't another way round, try safing as RTF (with David Breakwell's applet) and then use an external RTF>text convertor. There is at least one (sorry I cannot remember names and am not near the RiscPC until Friday evening). Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 13:50:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038973313:10:07969:112".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:50:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038973313:10:07969:112; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:41:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122382; 4 Dec 2002 3:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JQPs-00047W-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:41:40 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB43fcl03551 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:41:38 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB43fbj03547 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:41:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18JQPp-0005uO-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:41:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:40:37 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits References: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <4b9dab9520steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b9dab9520steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I gather from people at the show, that you've been producing image >translation stuff as an alternate to ImageFS... Well a chance to refute this. Although if you read it carefully there is nothing to refute. The statement comes from Castles press release on the Iyonix going on sale. It's a roundabout way of saying the word we must never speak. They're talking about the program that used to be called and is now known as "David Pilling's Scanning Software", . So all they mean is that it has been ported to 32 bits. Talking of which I will shortly be reinstating the patches for the program as part of the unfolding list of 32 bit upgrades. So if you've been stuck since March you can soon get unstuck. However, RISC OS 5 comes with a new file conversion system, which I designed [1]. It's a folder (FileSwop) of command line tools which take an input file and an output. There are some system variables which let programs discover what conversions are available. It is a simplification of the CC 'Transloader' system which Ovation Pro and lots of other programs use. Keith Sloan has kindly let me use his WMF->Draw and Draw->WMF programs as the basis of a couple such tools. Writer+ (the Icon word pro which ships on Iyonix) is the thing which uses all this. Although the next version of OP does too. I will be putting out 32 bit versions of Keith's careware desktop programs. All of which explains my comments about writing WMF conversion programs a few months back. [1] OK, cobbled together on the spur of the moment. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 13:50:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038989156:10:13818:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:50:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038989156:10:13818:47; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:05:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119441; 4 Dec 2002 8:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JUXJ-0002y0-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:05:37 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB485WF20071 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:05:32 GMT Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB485VL20068 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:05:31 GMT Received: from guvnor (article7.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.252.42]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id BE9431E2424 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:05:29 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew Green To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:03:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits Message-ID: <4b9f74dc8bandrew@article7.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <4b9dab9520steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Matthew Hambley wrote: > We seriously need a new name for this software. I rather like 'RasterMaster'. =o) Cheers, Andrew. -- "Mind you, you'd expect that of cows, wouldn't you? Two stomachs, know what I mean?" -- Liza Tarbuck -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 13:50:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1038991251:10:11606:161".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:50:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1038991251:10:11606:161; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:40:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127892; 4 Dec 2002 8:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18JV5F-0003hD-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:40:41 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB48eLJ23153 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:40:21 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB48eLX23147 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:40:21 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust65.tnt16.rtm1.nld.da.uu.net [213.116.126.65] with SMTP for id JAA09584 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:38:36 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000d01c29b71$0716ce20$0100a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4b9f4589c1rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Text-file of whole document Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:40:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 04 Dec, Ray Favre" wrote: > I have a 250-page Ovation Pro document which comprises some 45 > separate chapters. > > I want to produce a single text-file from this document i.e. without > styles/effects or graphics - just plain text with the original > line-feeds though. > > Is there any way I can do this without going through it > chapter-by-chapter gradually building up the text-file by 'saving > story as text'? > > It seems something which might already be an applet, but I don't know > them very well. Print to PostScript file. The whole or in parts. Use the GhostScript command *ps2ascii (after the filer has seen !GhostScr) and you will have your plain text. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039014427:20:03630:75".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039014427:20:03630:75; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:07:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2120169; 4 Dec 2002 15:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Jaop-00081l-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:48:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4Em5R09358 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:48:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4Em5l09355 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:48:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Jaom-0006fP-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:48:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:47:01 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits References: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <4b9dab9520steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b9f74dc8bandrew@article7.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b9f74dc8bandrew@article7.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I rather like 'RasterMaster'. =o) Thanks for the suggestions. I've given a lot of thought to this (too much probably). Once you start to look (type the name into Google) it's amazing how many names are in use. Virtually every word prefixed by 'pixel' for example. I had thought of 'raster', but how many non-technical people know what it means. DPeye was this weeks idea. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039017712:20:27419:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039017712:20:27419:54; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:01:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae2027023; 4 Dec 2002 16:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Jbgj-00010A-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:43:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4Fgeo20763 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:42:40 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4FgeC20755 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:42:40 GMT Received: from pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:42:30 +0000 Received: from agse00.blueyonder.co.uk (unverified [213.48.107.38]) by pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:38:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:39:44 GMT From: Alan Gibson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits Message-ID: <15999e9f4b.Alan@agse00.blueyonder.co.uk> References: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <4b9dab9520steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b9f74dc8bandrew@article7.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Liquid Silicon User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > >I rather like 'RasterMaster'. =o) > > Thanks for the suggestions. I've given a lot of thought to this (too > much probably). Once you start to look (type the name into Google) it's > amazing how many names are in use. Virtually every word prefixed by > 'pixel' for example. > > I had thought of 'raster', but how many non-technical people know what > it means. > > DPeye was this weeks idea. How about 'DPling', i.e. a contraction of your name? Then it would be called !DPling ;-) Sorry, brief moment of sillyness there... Alan -- POSum distribution - New standards in EPoS solutions - http://www.epos.org.uk MelIDI distribution - Superlative MIDI sequencing - http://www.melidi.co.uk RISC OS dealers and developers - Tel +44 1592 592265 - Fax +44 1592 596102 Liquid Silicon - sales@liquid-silicon.com - http://www.liquid-silicon.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:30 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039017940:20:01579:118".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039017940:20:01579:118; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:05:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107031; 4 Dec 2002 16:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Jc14-0002nk-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:04:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4G4nB25447 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:04:49 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4G4nw25444 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:04:49 GMT Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.176.114]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021204160447.FBVH7059.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:04:47 +0000 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C462D7E7 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:04:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 04 Dec 2002 16:04:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:04:32 GMT From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits Message-ID: <9ddea09f4b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <4b9dab9520steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b9f716543paul@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4b9f716543paul@vigay.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.29) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 4 Dec, in message <4b9f716543paul@vigay.com> Paul Vigay wrote: >In article , > Matthew Hambley wrote: > >> I still like ImageMiester but I can see the problem with that. In a >> similar vain how about UberScan. :-) > >How about ImageDoctor - the Doctor always defeated the Master in the end >anyway. ;-) :-) LOL! That's the best one yet! Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039019099:20:29499:190".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039019099:20:29499:190; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:24:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af2029728; 4 Dec 2002 16:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Jc0h-0002iY-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:04:27 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4G3u025250 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:03:56 GMT Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4G3tZ25246 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:03:55 GMT Received: from [134.220.207.44] (helo=cs1972nt.wlv.ac.uk) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 18JbyW-0002Aa-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:02:12 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021204154829.00a9a590@wlv.ac.uk> X-Sender: in6523@wlv.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:58:55 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits In-Reply-To: References: <4b9f74dc8bandrew@article7.co.uk> <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <4b9dab9520steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b9f74dc8bandrew@article7.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 14:47 04/12/02 +0000, you wrote: >>I rather like 'RasterMaster'. =o) > >Thanks for the suggestions. I've given a lot of thought to this (too much >probably). Once you start to look (type the name into Google) it's amazing >how many names are in use. Virtually every word prefixed by 'pixel' for >example. > >I had thought of 'raster', but how many non-technical people know what it >means. > >DPeye was this weeks idea. As a spin on dpi? DPimager gives no hits on Google. Nor does DPvista (or the DeeP variants). MattLB -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039019536:20:13063:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039019536:20:13063:65; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:32:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012487; 4 Dec 2002 16:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18JcGX-0004TX-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:20:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4GKch29397 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:20:38 GMT Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4GKcV29393 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:20:38 GMT Received: from [134.220.207.44] (helo=cs1972nt.wlv.ac.uk) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 18JcEN-0005AS-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:18:35 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021204160219.00a879d0@wlv.ac.uk> X-Sender: in6523@wlv.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:18:30 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Subject: [softwarelist] Demo version In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist A quick question about the demo version of OPro. Is it version 2.60 or is it updated to the latest version each time? If it is 2.60, which seems more likely, then will demo users be able to view any recent (V2.67) files? If not, is it safe to manually alter the version number to 2.60 in an OPro file (a fairly simple one), or will this cause chaos? MattLB -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039025750:20:25931:245".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039025750:20:25931:245; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:15:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110853; 4 Dec 2002 18:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Je1u-0006qF-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:13:50 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4IDHm18893 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:13:17 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4IDGp18890 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:13:16 GMT Received: from [62.188.136.32] (helo=62.188.136.32) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #2) id 18Je1J-0005Xj-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:13:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: rayfavre@argonet.co.uk, softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:36:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Text-file of whole document Message-ID: <4b9fa94a84charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20021204093222.tinshill@force9> References: <20021204093222.tinshill@force9> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <20021204093222.tinshill@force9>, wrote: > >I have a 250-page Ovation Pro document which comprises some 45 > >separate chapters. > > > >I want to produce a single text-file from this document i.e. without > >styles/effects or graphics - just plain text with the original > >line-feeds though. > > > >Is there any way I can do this without going through it > >chapter-by-chapter gradually building up the text-file by 'saving > >story as text'? > > > >It seems something which might already be an applet, but I don't know > >them very well. > If there isn't another way round, try safing as RTF (with David > Breakwell's applet) and then use an external RTF>text convertor. There > is at least one (sorry I cannot remember names and am not near the > RiscPC until Friday evening). This does work, i've jsut tried it with a 36 page OvPro document. Saving as RTF takes a bit of time, so you might want to go and have a meal if you do the 250 pages at one sitting. Load the RTF in Easywriter and then save as text. Result is 110kB instead of 51.7MB and a 47MB picture file! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:36 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039013184:10:09622:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039013184:10:09622:57; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:46:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104238; 4 Dec 2002 14:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JamA-0007sd-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:45:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4Eik708725 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:44:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4Eij608718 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:44:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18JalY-0004xC-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:44:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:43:42 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Text-file of whole document References: <20021204093222.tinshill@force9> In-Reply-To: <20021204093222.tinshill@force9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >>I want to produce a single text-file from this document i.e. without >>styles/effects or graphics - just plain text with the original >>line-feeds though. What I have in mind is a function that can save a story as text (I'm surprised there isn't one). That combined with existing commands for stepping through a document would let you get there. I hope I can add this before 2.68 appears later this week. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039014036:10:05138:122".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039014036:10:05138:122; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:00:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1006006; 4 Dec 2002 15:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JavI-000089-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:54:48 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4Eshw10658 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:54:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4EsgD10652 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:54:42 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18JavB-0000RX-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:54:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:25:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Text-file of whole document Message-ID: <4b9f97c41bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b9f4589c1rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> <4b9f50bd07Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >From: Brian Jordan > Sounds like another case for DrWimp to me! I'd disagree - there's no point in making a utility program like that conscious of the wimp. You want to open one file, read it, and selectively copy bits to another file. That's all! -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039016037:10:07286:76".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039016037:10:07286:76; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:33:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1113108; 4 Dec 2002 15:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18JbKc-0007if-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:20:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4FKqx16663 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:20:52 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (root@ns1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4FKq616659 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:20:52 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.34]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id gB4FKqF32440 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:20:53 GMT To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:10:15 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > DPeye was this weeks idea. That will probably get pronounced "De-Pie" What about extending this to make it DeepEye? Although google threw up a few pages, nothing looked like graphics software. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039020511:10:26810:92".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039020511:10:26810:92; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:48:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106290; 4 Dec 2002 16:48 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18JcgU-0003Gj-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:47:38 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4GlWW02621 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:47:32 GMT Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4GlWq02615 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:47:32 GMT Received: from guvnor (article7.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.252.42]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1425C1E1CD8 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:47:28 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew Green To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:38:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] News bits Message-ID: <4b9fa3fcb1andrew@article7.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b9c0cd65cchris@bulldog.u-net.com> <4b9dab9520steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b9f74dc8bandrew@article7.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > Once you start to look (type the name into Google) it's amazing how > many names are in use. Gawd. Mind you, as a variation, "RasterEyes" only gave an email username and a page that fourohfoured. "DPeye" is quite fun, though. Cheers, Andrew. -- article seven :: automatic internet http://www.article7.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:44 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039020944:10:06866:82".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039020944:10:06866:82; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:55:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010001; 4 Dec 2002 16:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Jckc-0003Uu-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:51:54 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4GpqD03809 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:51:52 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (murphys.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.225]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gB4Gppk03800 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:51:51 GMT Received: (qmail 28251 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 16:51:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO petrified.servers.plus.net) (192.168.226.20) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 16:51:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 23126 invoked by uid 99); 4 Dec 2002 16:51:45 -0000 Date: 4 Dec 2002 16:51:45 -0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: RE: Re: [softwarelist] Text-file of whole document From: CC: X-Mailer: PlusMail Message-ID: <20021204165145.tinshill@force9> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >On Wed 04 Dec, Ray Favre" wrote: > > >> I have a 250-page Ovation Pro document which comprises some 45 >> separate chapters. >> >> I want to produce a single text-file from this document i.e. without >> styles/effects or graphics - just plain text with the original >> line-feeds though. >> >> Is there any way I can do this without going through it >> chapter-by-chapter gradually building up the text-file by 'saving >> story as text'? >> >> It seems something which might already be an applet, but I don't know >> them very well. > >Print to PostScript file. The whole or in parts. >Use the GhostScript command *ps2ascii (after the filer has seen !GhostScr) >and you will have your plain text. > >-- >Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > >Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 4 18:31:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1039021400:10:22786:115".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:31:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1039021400:10:22786:115; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:03:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1115898; 4 Dec 2002 17:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18Jcqf-0008Kz-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:58:09 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4Gw6505197 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:58:06 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (murphys.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.225]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gB4Gw6E05194 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:58:06 GMT Received: (qmail 4432 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 16:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO petrified.servers.plus.net) (192.168.226.20) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 16:58:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 24271 invoked by uid 99); 4 Dec 2002 16:58:00 -0000 Date: 4 Dec 2002 16:58:00 -0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: RE: RE: Re: [softwarelist] Text-file of whole document From: CC: X-Mailer: PlusMail Message-ID: <20021204165800.tinshill@force9> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > >>On Wed 04 Dec, Ray Favre" wrote: >> >> >>> I have a 250-page Ovation Pro document which comprises some 45 >>> separate chapters. >>> >>> I want to produce a single text-file from this document i.e. without >>> styles/effects or graphics - just plain text with the original >>> line-feeds though. >>> >>> Is there any way I can do this without going through it >>> chapter-by-chapter gradually building up the text-file by 'saving >>> story as text'? >>> >>> It seems something which might already be an applet, but I don't know >>> them very well. >> >>Print to PostScript file. The whole or in parts. >>Use the GhostScript command *ps2ascii (after the filer has seen !GhostScr) >>and you will have your plain text. >> Apologies for the one with no extra comments from me - web based email while away from home is my excuse. How about setting up a text-only printer and printing direct to file (without having to bother with Ghostscript on the way). There must be some old pdfs around for dot matrix or daisywheel printers which churn out plain ascii. Anthony -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net