From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 14:16:52 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033736978:10:09858:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:16:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033736978:10:09858:72; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:09:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009194; 4 Oct 2002 13:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xS8z-0002AW-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:05:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94D4mI21693 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:04:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94D4mr21688 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:04:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xS8N-000M8p-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:04:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:03:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, Paul Beverley of Archive and Living with technology magazine is thinking of converting to Ovation Pro from Impression. He'd like to find someone who could convert the magazines and offer support during the traumatic changeover process. There is a good reason for this move happening now - the availability of a Windows version of OP? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 14:37:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033738199:20:11938:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:37:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033738199:20:11938:45; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:29:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109294; 4 Oct 2002 13:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xSWD-0002Zh-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:29:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94DTMB25628 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:29:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94DTLW25623 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:29:21 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17xSW9-0004m8-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:29:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:29:16 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted Message-ID: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id g94DTLW25624 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > There is a good reason for this move happening now - the availability of > a Windows version of OP? How far off is this ? I work in a school which has a site license for OP, though it isn't used much having been bought too late. However we are getting close to being overpowered by the Windows brigade and losing our Acorns (in the next year or so I'd guess, ATM about 130 PCs vs 170 RISCOS but being "pulled") however we have a legacy of years on Impression docs, now to the point.. Will the Windows version be able to handle ImpDoc loading ? Or will it be possible to use TransImpon RISC OS then move RISCOS OP files over ? Another big reason for interest is the lack of anything in Windowsland between MS Publisher/Serif and Quark (AFAICT). MS Pub being sadly lacking (even compared with Impression in many ways) and Quark being ridiculously expensive. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 15:16:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033739935:20:00305:102".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:16:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033739935:20:00305:102; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:58:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2109445; 4 Oct 2002 13:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xSr4-0004JL-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:50:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94Dore29175 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:50:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94Dord29170 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:50:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xSqz-0005LV-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:50:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:49:44 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> There is a good reason for this move happening now - the availability of >> a Windows version of OP? >How far off is this ? Real soon. I promised it for the middle of this year, by Christmas would be my guess now. Most of it is now working and tidied up. All that really remains is getting bit map rendering to work. Unlike RISC OS you've got to handle things like rotating bit maps yourself on Windows. The initial product is likely to be a CD aimed at Acorn users i.e. including Windows versions of Acorn fonts. >Will the Windows version be able to handle ImpDoc loading ? Or will it >be possible to use TransImpon RISC OS then move RISCOS OP files over ? Yes, I'll make the Win version load Impression documents direct. But you could convert them using the Acorn version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 15:37:01 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033741755:20:18747:246".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:37:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033741755:20:18747:246; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:29:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2115880; 4 Oct 2002 14:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xTEZ-0005oK-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:15:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94EFFW01406 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:15:15 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94EFED01403 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:15:15 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17xTEY-0002j3-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:15:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:15:09 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted Message-ID: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >> There is a good reason for this move happening now - the availability of > >> a Windows version of OP? > >How far off is this ? > > Real soon. I promised it for the middle of this year, by Christmas would > be my guess now. Most of it is now working and tidied up. All that > really remains is getting bit map rendering to work. Need any testers ? I hope you've kept Save Discard Cancel, on file close - one of my pet complaints about Windows is the Yes/No business. > The initial product is likely to be a CD aimed at Acorn users i.e. > including Windows versions of Acorn fonts. Pricing in the same region as RISC OS version ? -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 15:37:03 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033741288:10:00100:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:37:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033741288:10:00100:55; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:21:28 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119106; 4 Oct 2002 14:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xTDD-0005kP-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:13:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94EDLw01108 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:13:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94EDKi01104 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:13:20 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.218]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021004141319.CGWC28874.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:13:19 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:13:16 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted Message-ID: <97b02c804b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > Real soon. I promised it for the middle of this year, by Christmas would > be my guess now. Most of it is now working and tidied up. All that > really remains is getting bit map rendering to work. Have you decided what's happening with applets? What will authors need to do to ensure that applets work OK with the Win version? John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 22:27:06 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033766759:10:03105:86".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:27:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033766759:10:03105:86; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:25:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005679; 4 Oct 2002 21:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xZwy-000811-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:25:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94LOuL14560 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:24:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94LOuR14553 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:24:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xZwN-0000ti-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:24:55 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:23:52 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Need any testers ? For now I can find all the bugs I can fix. >I hope you've kept Save Discard , on file close - one of my pet >complaints about Windows is the Yes/No business. Yes. At the moment what you've got is a RISC OS program which runs on Windows. I'm not so sure about this, for example should I use Control+P to open the print window (Windows style), should it use control+'Select' for multiple selections rather than Adjust. There are some things in Windows which are nice, like shift+cursor keys for marking (actually there is an applet which adds this already), and the universal way in which the delete key deletes selections. >Pricing in the same region as RISC OS version ? Hard to say. I expect the price of a Win version will be less - because there are so many potential users, more competition, and most of the work was already done. But there are limits - a printed manual with carriage costs a certain amount. >Have you decided what's happening with applets? What will authors need to >do to ensure that applets work OK with the Win version? As it happens I've now implemented applets in the Win version. It proved easier than I thought. Some applets can be moved with no changes. However most will need tweeking. There are all sorts of catches like Windows does not support menu items which are writable. Applets that make use of RISC OS specific things e.g. oscli("Filer_Run...");. The worst thing is the absence of a template file type. What you have to do is run the Acorn template file through a convertor which produces a Windows .rc file that is then compiled into a resource only DLL. For a programmer this is all trivial, alas it's probably too complex for most users. One might wonder if you need MS Visual C++ to change a window definition, what's the point of writing applets in a script language. I guess that I will eventually go through all the applets and render them into Windows format, their authors can then carry on with them. (I'm assuming I have permission here). Long term I may do something better. Nothing is simple. I've had to write code to emulate Acorn icon features - like sprites in icons. An applet like the Calculator is fairly useless in its current form, because as soon as you click in the document window, that window jumps forward and the calculator window is covered up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 22:47:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033767756:20:08397:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:47:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033767756:20:08397:58; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:42:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102423; 4 Oct 2002 21:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xaDC-0000aN-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:42:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94LgBT18276 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:42:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94LgBt18272 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:42:11 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g94LgECj021662 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:42:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:41:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I hope you've kept Save Discard , on file close - one of my pet > >complaints about Windows is the Yes/No business. > Yes. At the moment what you've got is a RISC OS program which runs on > Windows. I'm not so sure about this, for example should I use Control+P > to open the print window (Windows style), should it use > control+'Select' for multiple selections rather than Adjust. > There are some things in Windows which are nice, like shift+cursor keys > for marking (actually there is an applet which adds this already), and > the universal way in which the delete key deletes selections. I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows program, it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing things. Your potential customers won't know about RISC OS short cuts, but will be familiar with Windows 'style guide' operations. As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app? Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 22:57:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033768433:20:22978:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:57:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033768433:20:22978:43; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:53:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2022098; 4 Oct 2002 21:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xaNZ-0006Vm-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:53:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94LqwG20055 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:52:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94Lqw020052 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:52:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17xaNW-00035t-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:52:58 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:51:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows program, >it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing things. Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn version. >As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app? Oh yes. 16 bit Windows is long in the past. To be honest as of today it will only work on XP/NT/2K. Personally I wouldn't touch 95/98, but I suspect it will have to work on them. And... tee hee... it is also a 32 bit RISC OS app. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 23:47:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033771191:10:01966:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:47:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033771191:10:01966:40; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:39:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001932; 4 Oct 2002 22:39 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xb6d-0001DB-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:39:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94Md2x27962 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:39:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94Md2T27959 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:39:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xb65-000OOB-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:39:02 +0100 Message-ID: <6rhKqrKFhhn9EwAy@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:37:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Tim Powys-Lybbe > Yes, I'll make the Win version load Impression documents direct. But you > could convert them using the Acorn version. And if you could make both versions handle Word document, my cup would overfloweth. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 4 23:47:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033771245:10:02893:92".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:47:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033771245:10:02893:92; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:40:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002848; 4 Oct 2002 22:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xb7S-0001Fr-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:40:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94MeOR28099 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:40:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94MeNF28096 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:40:23 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xb7P-000AIj-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:40:23 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:38:49 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >And if you could make both versions handle Word document, my cup would >overfloweth. I never understand what people want - perfect loading of Word docs? In which case buy a copy of MS Word because its the only thing that is ever likely to handle every feature of Word docs. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 00:07:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033772405:20:13539:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:07:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033772405:20:13539:48; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:00:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109598; 4 Oct 2002 23:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xbQ9-000130-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:59:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94MxgP30202 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:59:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from c2bapps5.btconnect.com (c2bapps5.btconnect.com [193.113.209.26]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g94Mxfs30198 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:59:41 +0100 Received: from GAVIN (actually host host213-122-136-18.in-addr.btopenworld.com) by c2bapps5 with SMTP-CUST (XT-PP); Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:59:32 +0100 Message-ID: <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:59:30 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: >> I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows >> program, it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing >> things. > > Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn > version. > >> As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app? > Please - please - can we have proper [Save] by drag & drop. I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window is sat there staring you in the face - I believe Quentin is going to implement this with his Win version of "Prophet" - you never know we might start a trend 8-) Cheers, Gavin -- Gavin Dewar Quercus Computer Systems -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 00:47:19 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033774778:20:01431:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:47:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033774778:20:01431:43; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:39:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001254; 4 Oct 2002 23:39 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xc2J-00033O-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:39:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g94Nd4J04353 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:39:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g94Nd4a04346 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:39:04 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xc2B-000MgD-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:39:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:25:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b805f4210john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 04 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >And if you could make both versions handle Word document, my cup would > >overfloweth. > I never understand what people want - perfect loading of Word docs? In > which case buy a copy of MS Word because its the only thing that is ever > likely to handle every feature of Word docs. He's probably asking for your help because Word doesn't load Word documents! -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:31:37 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033801287:20:24859:106".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:31:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033801287:20:24859:106; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 07:01:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116228; 5 Oct 2002 7:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xivp-0007EM-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:00:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g956xuc25979 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 07:59:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g956xt525976 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 07:59:55 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xiuo-000ADJ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 07:59:54 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 07:59:38 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version Message-ID: <40d388804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >I hope you've kept Save Discard , on file close - one of my pet > >complaints about Windows is the Yes/No business. > > Yes. At the moment what you've got is a RISC OS program which runs on > Windows. That was another question I was goi g to ask (out of curiosity) - how much you have been able to reuse the RISC OS source. > I'm not so sure about this, for example should I use Control+P > to open the print window (Windows style), Yes, something like the prtscr key is already defined as Windows standard "copy window to clipboard". > should it use control+'Select' for multiple selections rather than > Adjust. Not sure using adjust for this is a good idea as that is for the context menu (although as a mechanism I find the RISC OS way much quicker). Why not make these configurable - RISC OS control or Windows control ? - then with the ability to switch each feature. Another one I miss in Windows is adjust on scroll arrow - Xara includes this feature IIRC. > >Pricing in the same region as RISC OS version ? > > Hard to say. I expect the price of a Win version will be less Brilliant, not to start persuading those who teach IT that they don't *have* to use MS Publisher ! > An applet like the Calculator is fairly useless in its current form, > because as soon as you click in the document window, that window jumps > forward and the calculator window is covered up. Ah, "Alway On Top" window flag - I've spent ages trying to get RISC OS windows depth behaviour on Windows, can't quite get it but have tried some tools which switch on "Always On Top" - have even found some which provide a "back" button ! -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:31:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033801589:20:00352:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:31:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033801589:20:00352:72; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 07:06:29 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000922; 5 Oct 2002 7:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xj12-0000vU-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:06:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9576HU26777 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 08:06:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9576Ge26774 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 08:06:16 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xj0y-000AmP-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:06:16 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:06:11 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> In-Reply-To: <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> "Gavin Dewar" wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > >> I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows > >> program, it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing > >> things. > Please - please - can we have proper [Save] by drag & drop. > > I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window > is sat there staring you in the face Agreed, it's one of the biggest Windows problems, in RISC OS you "live" in the filer, organise projects there etc. - you know where everything is, it's far to easy in Windows to lose track. However if you do have "nice" RISC OS features like drag to save (which is possible but is not trivial in Windows - I've tried, though I cheated and used an add in library in Delphi) then (I think) it must coexist with standard Save/Open Windows dialogues. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:31:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033816620:10:01008:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:31:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033816620:10:01008:45; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 11:17:00 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000919; 5 Oct 2002 11:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xmv9-0000V7-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:16:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95BFp426650 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:15:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95BFpc26646 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:15:51 +0100 Received: from modem-3240.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.140.168] helo=riscpc) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xmuT-0007aW-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:15:50 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 11:35:49 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <3d9e9c804b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> In-Reply-To: <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> you wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > >> I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows > >> program, it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing > >> things. > > > > Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn > > version. > > > >> As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app? > > > Please - please - can we have proper [Save] by drag & drop. > > I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window > is sat there staring you in the face - I believe Quentin is going > to implement this with his Win version of "Prophet" - you never > know we might start a trend 8-) But it should be as well as the Windows way - I find it equally frustrating going to save, then realising I need to drill down the directories first. I'd quite like a Windows save function in the RO version, as an option. > > Cheers, Gavin > -- > Gavin Dewar > Quercus Computer Systems > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:32:00 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033821054:10:10153:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:32:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033821054:10:10153:49; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:30:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129191; 5 Oct 2002 12:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xo4T-0003hS-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:30:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95CTcX07760 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:29:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mail.tele2.co.uk (dellboy.tele2.co.uk [212.19.64.20]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95CTbp07751 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:29:37 +0100 Received: from djg (wireless-073-013.tele2.co.uk [212.19.73.13]) by mail.tele2.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F8B9C397 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:26:19 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3D9EDB11.000003.17345@djg.djg.tele2.net.uk> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:29:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_HCDIG6G0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1750710) From: "Dennis Golding" References: X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist --------------Boundary-00=_HCDIG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unfortunately all my pc's are win98 se. I can't put XP/2000 on as so much upgrading would be necessary so I'll have to stick with Virtual A5000 +OP with windows - but that is still better than using M$ Word.=0D DG=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From:0D Date: 04 October 2002 22:56:07=0D To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net=0D Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version=0D =0D >I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows program= ,=0D >it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing things.=0D =0D Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn =0D version.=0D =0D >As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app?=0D =0D Oh yes. 16 bit Windows is long in the past. To be honest as of today it =0D will only work on XP/NT/2K. Personally I wouldn't touch 95/98, but I =0D suspect it will have to work on them.=0D =0D And... tee hee... it is also a 32 bit RISC OS app.=0D =0D =0D -- =0D David Pilling=0D email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk=0D web: http://www.davidpilling.net=0D post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK=0D fax: +44(0)870-0520-941=0D =0D =0D =0D --=0D To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net=0D with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message=0D =0D Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net=0D =0D =2E --------------Boundary-00=_HCDIG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0A
Unfortunately all my pc's are win98 se. I can't put XP/2000 on= as so=20 much upgrading would be necessary so I'll have to stick with Virtua= l A5000=20 +OP with windows - but that is still better than using M$ Word.
DG
 
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Date: 04 Oct= ober 2002=20 22:56:07
To: softwarelist@davidpil= ling.net
Subject: Re:= =20 [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version
 
>I would have thought that as you will be selli= ng it=20 as a Windows program,
>it would need to fit in with the windo= ws way=20 of doing things.

Eventually yes, but initially users will be= =20 familiar with the Acorn
version.

>As a matter of inte= rest,=20 is it a 32 bit windows app?

Oh yes. 16 bit Windows is long i= n the=20 past. To be honest as of today it
will only work on XP/NT/2K.=20 Personally I wouldn't touch 95/98, but I
suspect it will have t= o work=20 on them.

And... tee hee... it is also a 32 bit RISC OS=20 app.


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--------------Boundary-00=_HCDIG6G0000000000000-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:41:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033821548:20:02868:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:41:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033821548:20:02868:49; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:39:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003078; 5 Oct 2002 12:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xoCp-0008Tc-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:38:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95Ccl909713 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:38:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95Cclw09710 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:38:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xoCk-000J9M-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:38:47 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:37:32 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <40d388804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <40d388804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > Nothing is simple. I've had to write code to emulate Acorn icon features > - like sprites in icons. An applet like the Calculator is fairly useless > in its current form, because as soon as you click in the document > window, that window jumps forward and the calculator window is covered > up. I thought this behaviour on Windows could actually be avoided by the programmer. Is that not the case? I'm sure I have seen a few Windows application that don't do this. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 5 13:51:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033821792:20:07480:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:51:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033821792:20:07480:47; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:43:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117140; 5 Oct 2002 12:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xoG1-0000AW-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:42:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95Cg7L10351 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:42:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95Cg7i10348 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:42:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17xoFy-0006jZ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:42:06 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:40:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <40d388804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <40d388804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I thought this behaviour on Windows could actually be avoided by the >programmer. Is that not the case? No doubt. But the point is applets are going to have to be changed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033846416:10:28425:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033846416:10:28425:45; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 19:33:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028272; 5 Oct 2002 19:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xufm-0004Hz-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 20:33:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95JWc413721 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:32:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95JWcq13715 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:32:38 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021005193237.DPRK7631.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:32:37 +0100 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:33:08 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4d07c0804b.john@xl-cambridge.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 05 Oct, John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > > I never understand what people want - perfect loading of Word docs? > > Speaking from my perspective - loading of Word documents with effects > preserved and style names (not definitions), and all content. Like the way > Quark does it. What we need is the ability to import stuff from authors > who're using Word and then to be able to lay it out in OPro. > > 2p When using OPro for typesetting I always take source back to ascii text to avoid importing someone else's formatting ideas into the current document. Importing text styles so that the current definition is applied where that style name is used would be an advantage. To read, edit and return to a Word user try getting RTF from them and sending it back in that format - avoids the mass of padding that Word documents have including macros and the viruses which they so often carry. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:19 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033856799:10:27601:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033856799:10:27601:49; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 22:26:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027611; 5 Oct 2002 22:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17xxNT-0004pi-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 23:26:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95MK1S29973 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:20:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95MK0k29949 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:20:00 +0100 Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17xxHB-0001wr-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 23:19:57 +0100 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:53:15 +0100 (BST) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Evangelist wanted To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Fri 04 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Paul Beverley of Archive and Living with technology magazine is thinking > of converting to Ovation Pro from Impression. > > He'd like to find someone who could convert the magazines and offer > support during the traumatic changeover process. > > There is a good reason for this move happening now - the availability of > a Windows version of OP? > To come back to the original request ;-) I think PB will find plenty of support from his Archive readership - he's certainly had a number of people (including me!) chiding him for still using IP. However, converting the old edtions to OP will be a lot of work, depending on how finished & identical he wants the layout to be. I've just had a *quick* look at a few of them on the Vol 14 CD. Quite a few wouldn't convert - the 2 or 3 I looked at in Vol 5 failed with a Draw error and a later one, from Vol 10 I think, failed with an 'undefined object' error - and that was only looking at half a dozen or so. The others converted quite quickly but when you start to look closely there are quite a lot of frames with the dreaded overflow arrow at the bottom :-( I think that most of these problems might be overcome globally by a bit of negative tracking - or just turning on auto-kerning and (perhaps?) enhanced justification which seem to be off by default in the converted files. However, although it would be quite a bit of work, I guess it could be made quite managable by sharing it out amongst a group of people. Regards, (PS On re-reading David's email, perhaps the conversion of old volumes isn't required) -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033917987:10:26359:151".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033917987:10:26359:151; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 15:26:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026760; 6 Oct 2002 15:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yDHt-0004My-00; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:25:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g96FO8H23279 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:24:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g96FO8u23276 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:24:08 +0100 Received: from du-009-0098.freeuk.com ([212.126.152.98] helo=skiddaw) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17yDGE-0000z2-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:24:07 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 23:53:08 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> In-Reply-To: <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Feb 2002) [TEST 9], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 4 Oct, Gavin Dewar wrote in message <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN>: > David Pilling wrote: > > > > I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows > > > program, it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing > > > things. > > > > Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn > > version. Agreed, but if it's different from all other Windows apps, that will be confusing too. Not everyone uses RISC OS in isolation; those who already use Windows will be used to switching hats as necessary and I personally would find a RISC OS-like Windows app more of a hindrance than a help. > Please - please - can we have proper [Save] by drag & drop. > > I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window is sat > there staring you in the face - I believe Quentin is going to implement > this with his Win version of "Prophet" - you never know we might start a > trend 8-) Please, no. People get upset when RISC OS applications break the standard way of doing things; why do they apply double standards to Windows? Having one app that does d'n'd saving isn't going to help anyone. The nav' tree fits Windows' way of working; d'n'd doesn't. -- Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033920784:10:10486:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033920784:10:10486:43; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:13:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010285; 6 Oct 2002 16:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yE1E-00067K-00; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:12:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g96GCSF30789 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:12:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from c2bapps1.btconnect.com (c2bapps1.btconnect.com [193.113.209.21]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g96GCS430786 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:12:28 +0100 Received: from GAVIN (actually host host213-122-86-86.in-addr.btopenworld.com) by c2bapps1 with SMTP-CUST (XT-PP); Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:12:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c26d53$2ef05250$f800a8c0@GAVIN> From: "Gavin Dewar" To: References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:12:33 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 4 Oct, Gavin Dewar wrote in message > <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN>: > >> Please - please - can we have proper [Save] by drag & drop. >> >> I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window is sat >> there staring you in the face - I believe Quentin is going to >> implement this with his Win version of "Prophet" - you never know we >> might start a trend 8-) > > Please, no. People get upset when RISC OS applications break the > standard way of doing things; why do they apply double standards to > Windows? Having one app that does d'n'd saving isn't going to help > anyone. The nav' tree fits Windows' way of working; d'n'd doesn't. > Windows allows d'n'd for loading a file into an application - well most applications do anyway - so what is so wrong with providing the convenient compliment for saving? or are you saying "nothing must ever change"? -- Gavin Dewar Quercus Computer Systems gavin@QuercusComputers.co.uk www.QuercusComputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:37 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033921839:10:26349:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033921839:10:26349:40; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:30:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026145; 6 Oct 2002 16:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17yEIA-0008Uk-00; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:30:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g96GTbo32552 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:29:37 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g96GTbb32549 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:29:37 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.218]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021006162936.EGKX7631.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:29:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:55:21 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, Anthony Hilton wrote: > When using OPro for typesetting I always take source back to ascii text to > avoid importing someone else's formatting ideas That makes life a *lot* harder when you're talking technical and scientific docs (which is my experience). Here, a misplaced italic or bold can be extremely important. This kind of thing is one reason for asking for Word format import - preserving the original author's text formatting. There is, it seems to be, however, no point in trying to understand Word's page layout formatting because it would have to be done afresh in OPro anyway. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:40 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033940155:10:17835:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033940155:10:17835:41; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:35:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017797; 6 Oct 2002 21:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17yJ3k-0000VJ-00; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:35:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g96LYq514436 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:34:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g96LYpG14433 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:34:52 +0100 Received: from RTV (userdr51.uk.uudial.com [62.188.6.58]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g96LTqA02838 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:29:52 +0100 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:16:32 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> In-Reply-To: <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.60f POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > When using OPro for typesetting I always take source back to ascii text > > to avoid importing someone else's formatting ideas > That makes life a *lot* harder when you're talking technical and > scientific docs (which is my experience). Here, a misplaced italic or > bold can be extremely important. This kind of thing is one reason for > asking for Word format import - preserving the original author's text > formatting. [snip] That would be nice if /Word/ preserved the 'original author's text formatting'. IME you can't guarantee that what you've produced is what will be displayed on the recipient's version of Word. -- There is no heavier burden than a great potential __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033980317:10:19680:95; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:45:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019829; 7 Oct 2002 8:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yTVP-0002c5-00; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:44:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g978hmE30271 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:43:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g978hlh30263 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:43:48 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.218]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021007084347.CPYL7631.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:43:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:43:33 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, Mik Towse wrote: > That would be nice if /Word/ preserved the 'original author's text > formatting'. IME you can't guarantee that what you've produced is what > will be displayed on the recipient's version of Word. I don't think that I've never encountered a Word document where Word would load the file but mangle text formatting (i.e. bold/italic/styles and similar), and I've handled a *lot* of files from wildly varying sources over the years. It does, of course, often get it wrong to some extent when translating from foreign formats. Word also often mangles the page formatting from Word-format docs, but that would be discarded on loading into page-layout software in any case. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:06:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033988086:10:25862:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033988086:10:25862:45; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:54:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024407; 7 Oct 2002 10:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yVW4-0002GS-00; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:53:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g97Aqu021335 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:52:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (ns1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97Aqtc21329 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:52:56 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.34]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g97AqvN23617 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:52:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:49:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > Nothing is simple. I've had to write code to emulate Acorn icon features > - like sprites in icons. An applet like the Calculator is fairly useless > in its current form, because as soon as you click in the document > window, that window jumps forward and the calculator window is covered > up. While you are doing this can you please make sure it works with "focus follows mouse"/"X-mouse" turned on. Some applications cause the window to jump to the front as soon as the mouse enters the window. This is not how it should happen. With X-mouse turned on you should be able to type into a window that is partially covered by another window higher up the pile. Sounds like I know what to put at the top of my Christmas list :-) Regards Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:07:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033837419:20:20466:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033837419:20:20466:47; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 17:03:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020440; 5 Oct 2002 17:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xsKi-0005LS-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:03:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95H2ih29589 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:02:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95H2ha29586 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:02:43 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.218]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021005170242.LZOD459.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:02:42 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:02:36 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4d07c0804b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > I never understand what people want - perfect loading of Word docs? Speaking from my perspective - loading of Word documents with effects preserved and style names (not definitions), and all content. Like the way Quark does it. What we need is the ability to import stuff from authors who're using Word and then to be able to lay it out in OPro. 2p John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:07:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033842387:20:19731:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033842387:20:19731:49; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:26:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129774; 5 Oct 2002 18:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17xtcv-0001WZ-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 19:26:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g95IPYI06818 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:25:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95IPYE06815 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:25:34 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g95IPaCj026580 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:25:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 19:21:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b80c74bf5ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <3d9e9c804b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <003a01c26bf9$b3943ae0$f800a8c0@GAVIN> <3d9e9c804b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <3d9e9c804b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > > > I hate the mess of using the nav' tree when the target window is sat > > there staring you in the face - I believe Quentin is going to > > implement this with his Win version of "Prophet" - you never know we > > might start a trend 8-) > But it should be as well as the Windows way - I find it equally > frustrating going to save, then realising I need to drill down the > directories first. > I'd quite like a Windows save function in the RO version, as an option. I like the way that Windows apps remember the folder that you are saving files into. I only have to click around once to get to 'My Documents', for example, and Word, Wordperfect, Omnipage etc always opens it when I next save. The same with opening documents from folders. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:07:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033983441:20:12597:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033983441:20:12597:60; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:37:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101304; 7 Oct 2002 9:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yUIL-0005Y1-00; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:35:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g979ZAQ07850 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:35:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g979Z9T07846 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:35:09 +0100 Received: from [62.188.143.61] (helo=62.188.143.61) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17yUI6-0006tR-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:35:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:08:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b819c4d78richto@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <47b53d814b.john@xl-cambridge.com> <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4B815B1D08%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > That would be nice if /Word/ preserved the 'original author's text > formatting'. IME you can't guarantee that what you've produced is what > will be displayed on the recipient's version of Word. Or even your own, next time you look at it! -- Richard Travers richto@argonet.co.uk Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 20:07:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034101083:20:00837:142".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034101083:20:00837:142; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:18:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000936; 8 Oct 2002 18:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17yyuw-0001xg-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:17:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g98IFZR09841 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:15:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g98IFYL09838 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:15:34 +0100 Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17yytH-0005F7-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:15:32 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:51:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Paul Shayler Disposition-Notification-To: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S () Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message , David Pilling writes >>I would have thought that as you will be selling it as a Windows program, >>it would need to fit in with the windows way of doing things. > >Eventually yes, but initially users will be familiar with the Acorn >version. > >>As a matter of interest, is it a 32 bit windows app? > >Oh yes. 16 bit Windows is long in the past. To be honest as of today it >will only work on XP/NT/2K. Personally I wouldn't touch 95/98, but I >suspect it will have to work on them. Some of us do still run Win98, all the software that I need to use on the PC is happy with that. Why do I have to upgrade to WinXP or Win2K? I'm running a Toshiba laptop and would like to have OP-Win as an application on board. I know a few brownie points would be on offer for being able to us OP-Win on a Win98 platform. Regards, Paul S. -- Paul Shayler -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 8 22:26:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034111856:10:26666:154".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:26:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034111856:10:26666:154; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:17:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108652; 8 Oct 2002 21:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17z1jC-0004QW-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:17:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g98LGht31183 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:16:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g98LGhT31179 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:16:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17z1ic-0007OJ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:16:42 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:15:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Some of us do still run Win98, all the software that I need to use on >the PC is happy with that. Why do I have to upgrade to WinXP or Win2K? I've perhaps been interpreted too strongly. I have every intention that OP will run on the 95/98/ME kernel. However at the moment it doesn't. It came as nasty surprise to find that the 95/98/ME font manager is not the same as the NT/XP/2K one. The tricks needed to get decent results on XP etc. don't work on 95 etc. However realistically 95/98/ME are dead, time will move on, you'll find that new hardware isn't supported, new features only appear in XP. I also think they're poor operating systems. It's only my experience, but XP or NT usually runs for the day with no need to reboot. 98 tends to fall over once you do something complicated. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 00:26:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034116817:20:27331:140".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:26:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034116817:20:27331:140; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:40:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028001; 8 Oct 2002 22:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17z31F-0000Er-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:40:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g98MdEG06866 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:39:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (mailsend.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g98MdDS06862 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:39:14 +0100 Received: from mail.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 17z30T-0006gt-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:39:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 462 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 22:39:35 -0000 Received: from dms1.xra.le.ac.uk (HELO dms1) (143.210.40.191) by mail.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 22:39:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:39:13 +0100 (BST) From: Liam Gretton X-X-Sender: ljg@dms1 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, David Pilling wrote: > It's only my experience, but XP or NT usually runs for the day with no > need to reboot. 98 tends to fall over once you do something complicated. Quite. I have never been a fan of Windows, but XP is rock solid and fast as far as I'm concerned. I've been using it for about six months and it hasn't crashed *at all*. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034146241:10:12889:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034146241:10:12889:42; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 06:50:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105610; 9 Oct 2002 6:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zAfQ-0007gR-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:50:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g996nOg01177 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:49:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g996nNr01172 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:49:23 +0100 Received: from cmcqueen ([62.252.180.124]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021009064921.ZWPH28874.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@cmcqueen> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:49:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 06:55:26 GMT From: Colin McQueen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Liam Gretton wrote: > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, David Pilling wrote: > > > It's only my experience, but XP or NT usually runs for the day with no > > need to reboot. 98 tends to fall over once you do something complicated. > > Quite. I have never been a fan of Windows, but XP is rock solid and fast > as far as I'm concerned. I've been using it for about six months and it > hasn't crashed *at all*. > You obviously don't get up to what I do. My laptop with XP has blue screened just switching windows in Notepad, lcoked solid more like when you run DreamWeaver, Flash and Publisher and try some facing footwork. No chance to use the task manager sometimes. Its way better than 98 but XP has crashed on me at least once a week. At school we have a mixture of 98 and XP and would consider Windows OP to supplement Publisher but I agree with David and 98 clients will be disappearing soon from our site. On the shortcuts point mentioned earlier I'd go for sticking with Windows standards of Ctrl-P and Ctrl-S etc. I'd get annoyed if my GNVQ pupils were printing out a raft of pages when all they were trying to do was get a screenshot to paste into their report. Could it be configurable? Will you be supplying a Microsoft installer system? Again that's preferable and may be the best route for controlling what applets are installed. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:42 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034155865:10:13141:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034155865:10:13141:70; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:31:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012543; 9 Oct 2002 9:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zD0F-0004l2-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:19:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g999ItQ23217 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:18:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g999IsB23210 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:18:54 +0100 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:18:54 +0100 Received: from RPC (unverified [213.48.249.111]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:18:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:16:11 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Wimp Programming for All Message-ID: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I've just been trying to look at the Wimp Programming for All files on the "RISC User in a Nutshell" CD and find that OPro won't load them... They were apparently produced on too old a version of Ovation. Is there a method of converting them? Or do I have to find my old Ovation disks and reinstall it? Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:44 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034158125:10:23259:118".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034158125:10:23259:118; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:08:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023960; 9 Oct 2002 10:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zDVi-0007ii-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:52:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g999pwU29121 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:51:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g999pwR29116 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:51:58 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([80.7.0.9]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021009095157.CYBK7631.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:51:57 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:48:24 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Wimp Programming for All Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Bruce Goatly wrote: > I've just been trying to look at the Wimp Programming for All files on the > "RISC User in a Nutshell" CD and find that OPro won't load them... They were > apparently produced on too old a version of Ovation. > > Is there a method of converting them? Or do I have to find my old Ovation > disks and reinstall it? > > Bruce I thought there was an early version of OPro on the Ovation CD for this use. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034146845:20:17960:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034146845:20:17960:50; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:00:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017258; 9 Oct 2002 7:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zAp3-000822-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:59:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g996xp301986 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:59:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g996xoD01983 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:59:50 +0100 Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17zAov-0005Pj-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:59:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:58:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8298147emick@tab1.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Colin McQueen wrote: [Snip] > Will you be supplying a Microsoft installer system? Again that's > preferable and may be the best route for controlling what applets are > installed. No doubt this won't influence the decision about installing applets, but whilst it's fine for those of us used to OPro - we know what the applets do - one of my pet hates about Windows installers is when they ask you if you want to install feature A, B, C etc. of your brand new program when you have no idea what they are, and can't find out until you've installed the program and can read the help file! -- Mick Burrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034147742:20:09838:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034147742:20:09838:44; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:15:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102817; 9 Oct 2002 7:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zB40-0007cP-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:15:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g997FH503330 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:15:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g997FHj03326 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:15:17 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zB3s-000IDB-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:15:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:15:10 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <3a9799824b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > It came as nasty surprise to find that the 95/98/ME font manager is not > the same as the NT/XP/2K one. (Speaking with no knowledege whatsoever.) Could you use the Adobe type manager? Does it do clever stuff like rotation ? Presumably licensing would be silly ? or some other 3rd party add-on font system. or do your own port/version of the Acorn one with anti-aliasing. What does Xara do ? Quark do ? i.e. rather than write for 9x and NT etc. use an add on which works for all. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034160284:20:01661:136".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034160284:20:01661:136; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:44:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ar2002726; 9 Oct 2002 10:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zEAu-00035s-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:34:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99AY1e04036 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:34:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99AY1w04032 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:34:01 +0100 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:34:01 +0100 Received: from RPC (unverified [213.48.249.111]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:34:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:31:26 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Wimp Programming for All Message-ID: <928fab824b%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > In message > Bruce Goatly wrote: > > > I've just been trying to look at the Wimp Programming for All files on the > > "RISC User in a Nutshell" CD and find that OPro won't load them... They were > > apparently produced on too old a version of Ovation. > > > > Is there a method of converting them? Or do I have to find my old Ovation > > disks and reinstall it? > > > > Bruce > I thought there was an early version of OPro on the Ovation CD for this > use. > Maybe - my memory is going. Roger King has pointed out to me that the Ovation1 applet does the trick. When I upgraded a while back I removed a load of applets because they slowed the loading of OPro down so much. I've just found Ovation1, installed it and it works... Thanks, Roger. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:03:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034167155:20:25489:75".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:03:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034167155:20:25489:75; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:39:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116908; 9 Oct 2002 12:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zDj5-0008Q8-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:05:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99A5qd31675 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:05:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99A5qn31671 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:05:52 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust41.tnt41.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.117.0.41] with SMTP for id MAA28720 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:05:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004e01c26f7b$a378d1e0$0100a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <3a9799824b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:48:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 09 Oct, "Tim Howarth" wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > It came as nasty surprise to find that the 95/98/ME font manager is not > > the same as the NT/XP/2K one. > > (Speaking with no knowledege whatsoever.) > > Could you use the Adobe type manager? > The *free* Adobe Type manager comes also in these two flavours. And an additional fix for XP. That is: the last time I looked on Adobe's website. So, it seems that ATM is already available for almost every Window user ... BTW: NT4 contains a Type1 to TrueType converter. With the correct file formats (at least .pfm and .pfb) you can install a TrueType -made by NT4. Of course, the quality of this TrueType depends on the quality found in the original Type1 files. In Windows2000 and XP, Type1's can be installed (again with .pfm and .pfb) like TrueTypes or OpenTypes (basically an extended TrueType format). Of course, also here problems arise with font families with more than 4 members, since Windows font menu is based on a maximum of 4 'weights/styles' in one font (family). (Of course, speaking with a bit of knowledge) -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:23:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034169591:10:14949:137".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:23:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034169591:10:14949:137; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:19:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015993; 9 Oct 2002 13:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zGkE-0004kd-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:19:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99DIka05121 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:18:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99DIkA05115 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:18:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17zGjd-00064b-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:18:45 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:17:09 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Will you be supplying a Microsoft installer system? Again that's >preferable and may be the best route for controlling what applets are >installed. As of now it is likely to set off using the installer which I have written (see Calendar and SyncDiscs on my web site), that would be for the main program. For applets something better than the RISC OS system has to be done, i.e. something more akin to the applet manager program. An applet for the Win version is very similar to a RISC OS one - a folder that has to be inserted in the applets folder. You could install them by hand, but clearly that goes against the Windows way. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:33:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034170375:20:05372:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:33:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034170375:20:05372:48; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:32:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100042; 9 Oct 2002 13:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zGwm-0006Zf-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:32:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99DW7O07723 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:32:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99DW7n07720 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:32:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17zGwY-0004NG-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:32:06 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:30:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Tim Powys-Lybbe > >Some of us do still run Win98, all the software that I need to use on > >the PC is happy with that. Why do I have to upgrade to WinXP or Win2K? > I also think they're poor operating systems. It's only my experience, > but XP or NT usually runs for the day with no need to reboot. 98 tends > to fall over once you do something complicated. Just a comment from the poor punter. I do a shed load of genealogy on my PC-Card running W98. Agreed this probably is not very complicated but for a year or two now I have found this to be very reliable and can run for many hours each day (until I Exit to do any other important work, including reading OP mailing lists) with no trouble at all. And if I upgrade to an Omega and go for their internal PCI PC card, I am content to see that Microdigital are flogging W98 to go with this card; why do I need anything more bloated? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 14:33:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034169976:10:28205:86".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:33:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034169976:10:28205:86; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:26:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110785; 9 Oct 2002 13:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zGpX-0002hn-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:24:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99DOks06273 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:24:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99DOkE06269 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:24:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17zGpS-0000ri-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:24:46 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:23:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <79a928804b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b8055bdberay@raydawson.com> <3a9799824b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3a9799824b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Could you use the Adobe type manager? Perhaps, but do I want to have a program that demands you upgrade your computer before it will run? >Does it do clever stuff like rotation ? Up to a point the standard Windows font managers do rotation. >or do your own port/version of the Acorn one with anti-aliasing. In which case you could add a year or two to the completion date. >What does Xara do ? Quark do ? I suspect that some do use their own font managers, for example Adobe obviously have access to one. >i.e. rather than write for 9x and NT etc. use an add on which works for >all. Yes, good idea. I was thinking before lunch that using the .net framework might have this effect. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 16:43:42 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034178147:20:12108:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:43:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034178147:20:12108:44; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:42:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2010383; 9 Oct 2002 15:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zInK-0008BP-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:30:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99FU7U29685 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:30:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (ns1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99FU6O29672 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:30:06 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.34]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g99FU9d08183 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:30:10 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:19:04 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > Ah, "Alway On Top" window flag - I've spent ages trying to get RISC OS > windows depth behaviour on Windows, can't quite get it but have tried > some tools which switch on "Always On Top" - have even found some which > provide a "back" button ! What you want is sendToBack (http://ilusion.inesc.pt/~lba/sendtoback.htm) It lets you push a window to the back by right clicking on the title bar. I find it invaluable. It claims to be for win95/98, but I have used it on NT and win2K with no problems. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 17:13:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034179453:10:04691:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:13:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034179453:10:04691:49; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:04:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1116486; 9 Oct 2002 16:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zJBb-00051k-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:55:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99FtgE01664 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:55:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from plum.csi.cam.ac.uk (plum.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.3]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99FtfI01661 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:55:41 +0100 Received: from mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.39.91]) by plum.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17zJBV-0004Pi-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:55:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:55:15 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Clark Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Cambridge University, Department of Pathology. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 09 Oct, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > Just a comment from the poor punter. I do a shed load of genealogy on > my PC-Card running W98. Agreed this probably is not very complicated > but for a year or two now I have found this to be very reliable and can > run for many hours each day (until I Exit to do any other important > work, including reading OP mailing lists) with no trouble at all. > > And if I upgrade to an Omega and go for their internal PCI PC card, I am > content to see that Microdigital are flogging W98 to go with this card; > why do I need anything more bloated? > I think we have to be realistic about David's motivation for porting Ovation across to windows. He is not doing it as an act of charity, but in order to continue to earn a living. He has to weigh the balance between keeping old users happy and also attracting new users. If it will entail a lot of work on David's part to support a few old users who insist on an unsupported operating system then I think we have to accept the inevitable. I keep using my Risc PCs at work and at home because of the continued ease of productivity. However I also have windows based machines at work and at home for compatibility of data in some areas of my work. At work we still use Win 2000 (or NT4) but at home I have moved on to XP Pro. You're right that they are more blotted than Win 95/98, but in turn these are more blotted than Win3.1 or MSDOS. My 'Risc OS' operating system is more bloated than 'Arthur' was. You have to draw a line somewhere! For me what is really important is survival of my data from machine to machine and from OS to OS. David is providing a valuable lifeline for the intellectual property which I stored in my data archives! Mike -- o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark <\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing, "> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 18:53:37 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034185780:20:25017:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:53:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034185780:20:25017:58; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:49:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2024743; 9 Oct 2002 17:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zKhb-0008Ik-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:32:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99HWQA23407 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:32:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99HWPn23404 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:32:25 +0100 Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zKh6-0006wM-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:32:25 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:33:35 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: jpegs To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have a CDRom of JPEGs that refuse to load into OPro (from the OProCD). Neither will they load into SwiftJpeg (1996 vintage) or Photodesk Light (V.3.03). They were made recently by someone using (I think) Adobe Photoshop, and are presumably a new sort of JPEG file. Any hope? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 19:33:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034188068:10:15312:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:33:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034188068:10:15312:47; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:27:48 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015109; 9 Oct 2002 18:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zLYK-0003yH-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:27:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99IRGx31945 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:27:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99IRGg31937 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:27:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17zLYB-0004vp-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:27:15 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:25:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: jpegs References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I have a CDRom of JPEGs that refuse to load into >OPro (from the OProCD). Neither will they load into >SwiftJpeg (1996 vintage) or Photodesk Light (V.3.03). >They were made recently by someone using (I think) >Adobe Photoshop, and are presumably a new sort of >JPEG file. Any hope? > Depends, direct load into Ovation Pro will usually use the RISC OS JPEG rendering code - unless you've set up OP not to use this. The other programs you mention are using the Independent JPEG groups library. However this is updated from time to time, so you may find that something like my scanning program will display it. ISTR there are programs around which can handle more tricky JPEG's on RISC OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 19:43:37 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034188580:20:03329:110".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:43:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034188580:20:03329:110; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:36:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003451; 9 Oct 2002 18:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zLgX-0004vm-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:35:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99IZHD01065 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:35:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99IZH701062 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:35:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zLfw-000H5n-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:35:16 +0100 Message-ID: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:34:06 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >And if I upgrade to an Omega and go for their internal PCI PC card, I >am content to see that Microdigital are flogging W98 to go with this >card; why do I need anything more bloated? I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS software will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). Translation - you'll need to install a new Shared C Library. Translation - there'll be winners and losers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 19:53:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034189214:10:13305:106".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:53:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034189214:10:13305:106; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:46:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013599; 9 Oct 2002 18:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zLqt-0008Ux-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:46:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99IkUB02230 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:46:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from horkos.telenet-ops.be (horkos.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99IkU302226 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:46:30 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by horkos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id C8D4F84496 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:46:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from riscpc.be (D5763E7B.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.62.123]) by horkos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B022843F1 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:46:24 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:46:24 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: jpegs Message-ID: <4b82d8e047jdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Michael Talibard wrote: > I have a CDRom of JPEGs that refuse to load into > OPro (from the OProCD). Neither will they load into > SwiftJpeg (1996 vintage) or Photodesk Light (V.3.03). > They were made recently by someone using (I think) > Adobe Photoshop, and are presumably a new sort of > JPEG file. Any hope? Clean them up using David Barrow's JClean. You can get it from http://www.dacha.freeuk.com/free/0-app-0.htm Jan. -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 20:03:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034190225:20:23912:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:03:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034190225:20:23912:45; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:03:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026692; 9 Oct 2002 19:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zM6v-00019O-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:03:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99J32S04305 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:03:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99J31L04302 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:03:01 +0100 Received: from dougal.locationworks.com ([62.49.148.34] helo=kell) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zM6n-000042-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:03:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell Gatherer To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:01:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: jpegs Message-ID: <4b82da39cclists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 09 Oct, Michael Talibard wrote: > I have a CDRom of JPEGs that refuse to load into > OPro (from the OProCD). Neither will they load into > SwiftJpeg (1996 vintage) or Photodesk Light (V.3.03). > They were made recently by someone using (I think) > Adobe Photoshop, and are presumably a new sort of > JPEG file. Any hope? David Pilling's scanning software (formerly known as I**** M*****) is pretty good at handling various JPEGS. !Translator from John Kortink can also cope with many JPEG variants, but see if you can get a hold of an older version than the one currently available, since all kinds of nasty reminders pop up if you haven't registered (and, in my case, even if you have). However the best, and cheapest, option is !Jack from http://www.dacha.freeuk.com/free/0-app-0.htm which has succesfully repaired every JPEG I've thrown at it. HTH, -- Kell Gatherer kell@locsource.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 20:13:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034190598:20:09350:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:13:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034190598:20:09350:58; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:09:58 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119779; 9 Oct 2002 19:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zMCU-0008St-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:08:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99J8oC05243 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:08:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99J8nb05240 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:08:49 +0100 Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17zMCP-00021y-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:08:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:09:42 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: jpegs To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b82d8e047jdp@pandora.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 09 Oct, Jan De Poorter wrote: > Clean them up using David Barrow's JClean. Thanks for the suggestion. I've now tried this. Sadly, it also refuses these jpegs. Maybe 'cleaning' is not what they need? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 20:23:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034191006:10:26548:69".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:23:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034191006:10:26548:69; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:16:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122680; 9 Oct 2002 19:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zMJj-0001Df-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:16:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99JGIP06204 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:16:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mxout3.netvision.net.il (mxout3.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.24]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99JGGu06199 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:16:17 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([212.143.226.218]) by mxout3.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0H3Q00IFLAUVOW@mxout3.netvision.net.il> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:16:08 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:15:09 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <3DA4803D.7020307@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020827 References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: >> And if I upgrade to an Omega and go for their internal PCI PC card, I >> am content to see that Microdigital are flogging W98 to go with this >> card; why do I need anything more bloated? > > > I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS software > will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). > > Translation - you'll need to install a new Shared C Library. > > Translation - there'll be winners and losers. Yes. Like it will be no good for us Select users, as the Shared C Lib in Select doesn't allow itself to be overwritten by a new one (unless you install the 'naughty' patch which fixes this ...) Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 22:13:48 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034197970:20:26989:88".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:13:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034197970:20:26989:88; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:12:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah2028306; 9 Oct 2002 21:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zO5e-000861-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:09:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99L9Pd18843 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:09:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99L9OP18837 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:09:24 +0100 Received: from [62.64.225.18] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17zO4W-000Cbp-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:08:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:34:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b82e2be22dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Colin McQueen wrote: > You obviously don't get up to what I do. My laptop with XP has blue > screened just switching windows in Notepad, lcoked solid more like when > you run DreamWeaver, Flash and Publisher and try some facing footwork. > No chance to use the task manager sometimes. > Its way better than 98 but XP has crashed on me at least once a week. This may not apply to you Colin, but brings to the fore an interesting note worth repeating. If you upgrade to WinXP over old versions you'll end up with slightly less poo in your computer, but still a dogs bum. The advised method is start from scratch, that way you don't inherit a load of poo from previous versions. My XP install was on to a freshly formatted HD, and it's been very, very stable this past six months. I never though I see myself saying or writing this, but I'm quite enjoying using the PC with WinXP. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 22:23:52 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034198371:10:21448:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:23:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034198371:10:21448:55; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:19:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1106736; 9 Oct 2002 21:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zOE3-0001Oz-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:18:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99LIYm19796 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:18:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99LIYe19792 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:18:34 +0100 Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zODy-000NPF-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:18:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:19:44 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: jpegs To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b82da39cclists@locsource.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 09 Oct, Kell Gatherer wrote: > However the best, and cheapest, option is !Jack from > http://www.dacha.freeuk.com/free/0-app-0.htm > which has succesfully repaired every JPEG I've thrown at it. Thanks for the idea: I've now tried it but sadly, it doesn't work. Next I'll try Imoge Moster. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 9 22:43:48 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034199725:20:19208:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:43:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034199725:20:19208:53; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:42:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018576; 9 Oct 2002 21:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zOa0-0001zA-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:41:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99LfED21793 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:41:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from eos.telenet-ops.be (eos.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.40]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99LfDL21787 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:41:13 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 5027820410 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:41:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from riscpc.be (D5763E7B.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.62.123]) by eos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id D4099200E5 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:41:07 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:41:09 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: jpegs Message-ID: <4b82e8dfc4jdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: References: <4b82da39cclists@locsource.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Michael Talibard wrote: > On Wed 09 Oct, Kell Gatherer wrote: > > However the best, and cheapest, option is !Jack from > > http://www.dacha.freeuk.com/free/0-app-0.htm > > which has succesfully repaired every JPEG I've thrown at it. > Thanks for the idea: I've now tried it but sadly, it doesn't work. > Next I'll try Imoge Moster. Could you perhaps put a sample jpeg on a web page, so that people can try their software on it ? Or else, you can send me one as an attachment, if you like. I could have a go with the software I have... Jan. -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 00:23:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034205319:20:29495:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:23:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034205319:20:29495:53; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:15:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028830; 9 Oct 2002 23:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zQ27-00007k-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:14:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99NE0330078 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:14:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99NE0c30070 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:14:00 +0100 Received: from [62.188.142.160] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zQ1b-0003oa-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:13:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:14:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: jpegs Message-ID: <4b82f163dagav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Michael Talibard wrote: > I have a CDRom of JPEGs that refuse to load into > OPro (from the OProCD). Neither will they load into > SwiftJpeg (1996 vintage) or Photodesk Light (V.3.03). > They were made recently by someone using (I think) > Adobe Photoshop, and are presumably a new sort of > JPEG file. Any hope? /Probably of little help, but may be of interest to others/ I've experienced problems in the past when opening an OPro document supplied by someone else, getting the error "Incomplete or corrupt JPEG data" when it attempted to render a jpeg. It turned out that the document was created under RISC OS Select, which has had many improvements to the JPEG handling to cope with a wider range of JPEGs. The JPEG was imported directly into OPro from a digital camera and was an Exif JPEG. Under Select there was no problem as OPro was using RISC OS Select's JPEG rendering code. But under RO4 it couldn't be rendered. The solution was to switch off 'Pictures' in OPro's view options and export the JPEG from the frame. David Pilling's scanning software loaded it with no problems and it was re-saved as a JPEG and imported back into the frame with the same scaling settings. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 00:23:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034205321:20:29499:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:23:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034205321:20:29499:50; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:15:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029076; 9 Oct 2002 23:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zQ27-00072c-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:14:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99NDvC30064 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:13:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99NDuj30061 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:13:56 +0100 Received: from [62.188.142.160] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zQ1Z-0003oa-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:13:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:46:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version - Applets Message-ID: <4b82eee055gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I hope that the Windows version Script Language won't differ too much from the RISC OS one as I'm currently writing a rather lengthy article about using the Script Language and creating applets, and it would be nice if it only required slight changes to adapt it to be relevant to the Windows version of OPro. Although arrays would be very welcome - in both versions ;-) -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 01:03:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034207731:10:13653:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:03:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034207731:10:13653:63; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:55:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113059; 9 Oct 2002 23:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zQfe-0001Rp-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:55:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g99Nt7x32068 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:55:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99Nt6p32065 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:55:06 +0100 Received: from [62.188.112.187] (helo=62.188.112.187) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zQfP-0004fO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:55:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:52:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b82f4e496awarrick@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b82e2be22dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4b82e2be22dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 09 Oct, Dave Symes wrote: > I never though I see myself saying or writing this, but I'm quite enjoying > using the PC with WinXP. > Dave S Wait til you get the upcoming bill for your next years licence... Adrian -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 01:43:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034210203:20:28591:108".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:43:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034210203:20:28591:108; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:36:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028323; 10 Oct 2002 0:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zRJC-0004xU-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:36:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9A0ZVU01774 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:35:31 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9A0ZVS01771 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:35:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zRIY-0001sV-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:35:30 +0100 Message-ID: <6nhKpDO$rMp9Ewg3@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:34:07 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version - Applets References: <4b82eee055gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b82eee055gav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I hope that the Windows version Script Language won't differ too much >from the RISC OS one as I'm currently writing a rather lengthy article >about using the Script Language and creating applets, and it would be >nice if it only required slight changes to adapt it to be relevant to >the Windows version of OPro. Yes the script language is the same. In fact your applet PastePos (which allows you to paste things in the same position they were copied) appears to work with no changes (to the RISC OS code). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 13:12:52 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034240070:20:06901:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:12:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034240070:20:06901:58; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:54:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2127986; 10 Oct 2002 8:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zZ0a-0007Wx-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:49:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9A8nQK00940 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:49:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9A8nPc00933 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:49:25 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id g9A8nSG3032086 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:49:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:42:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: jpegs Message-ID: <4b83256dbcray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b82f163dagav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4b82f163dagav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b82f163dagav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > The solution was to switch off 'Pictures' in OPro's view options and > export the JPEG from the frame. David Pilling's scanning software loaded > it with no problems and it was re-saved as a JPEG and imported back into > the frame with the same scaling settings. The problem with doing that is you do lose a degree of quality loading and resaving a JPEG. Setting the scan software to 100% quality will improve that, but not completely as JPEGs are a lossy format. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 13:12:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034248265:20:25775:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:12:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034248265:20:25775:56; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:11:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al2025131; 10 Oct 2002 11:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zb7W-00021b-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:04:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AB4he23548 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:04:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from post-21.mail.nl.demon.net (post-21.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AB4ga23545 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:04:43 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-21.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17zb7R-000HaB-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:04:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:05:03 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select [4.29] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi David, On Wed 09 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > And if I upgrade to an Omega and go for their internal PCI PC card, > > I am content to see that Microdigital are flogging W98 to go with > > this card; why do I need anything more bloated? > > I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS > software will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). > > Translation - you'll need to install a new Shared C Library. > > Translation - there'll be winners and losers. I wonder: Does that mean it still runs on a RiscPC? And when run on a Omega with XScale (extra 32bits) processor, would use that one? Please enlighten me (and others?)! Greetings from the Netherlands, Low Lands of Europe, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place The alchemist dies in pain and frustration - while the fool finds treasure in a ruin. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 13:12:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034238476:10:13972:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:12:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034238476:10:13972:43; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:27:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013603; 10 Oct 2002 8:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zYfE-0005ic-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:27:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9A8Qeq30313 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:26:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.net [81.26.107.2]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9A8Qd430310 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:26:40 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host62-7-141-220.webport.bt.net [62.7.141.220]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g9A8Rht14131 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:27:43 GMT Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:34:06 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: jpegs Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > > I have a CDRom of JPEGs that refuse to load into > OPro (from the OProCD). Neither will they load into > SwiftJpeg (1996 vintage) or Photodesk Light (V.3.03). > They were made recently by someone using (I think) > Adobe Photoshop, and are presumably a new sort of > JPEG file. Any hope? > One possibility is that they are in CMYK format. Best bet for reading is ImageFS. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 13:13:00 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034239407:10:15497:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:13:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034239407:10:15497:41; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:43:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013077; 10 Oct 2002 8:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zYtX-0007AB-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:42:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9A8g2f32312 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:42:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-3.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.233]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9A8g2b32309 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:42:02 +0100 Received: from mel-rta8.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.79) by mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3DA24D180019C37F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:41:56 +0200 Received: from habett (193.252.172.193) by mel-rta8.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3DA24B4A001825C4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:41:56 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:40:14 +0200 From: stephane HAbeTT roux To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: jpegs Message-ID: <593725834b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Islam Inc, canal anti.historique User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 X-Peer2Peer-Protocol: Dummies to dummies X-Priority: 911 X-URL: http://habett.org/ X-Accept-Language: en, fr, perl, de X-Hello-Kitty: meow meow. Keywords: nihilism, random, chaos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > > > I have a CDRom of JPEGs that refuse to load into > > OPro (from the OProCD). Neither will they load into > > SwiftJpeg (1996 vintage) or Photodesk Light (V.3.03). > > They were made recently by someone using (I think) > > Adobe Photoshop, and are presumably a new sort of > > JPEG file. Any hope? > > > One possibility is that they are in CMYK format. Best bet for reading > is ImageFS. i find Oragno very tolerant with nasty jpegs. -- |":._.:"| http://habett.org/ | (=) | habett@habett.org |(.:':.)| Still sucks, random rules -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 13:13:00 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034239706:10:25304:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:13:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034239706:10:25304:56; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:48:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024656; 10 Oct 2002 8:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zYyu-0006sI-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:47:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9A8leE00694 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:47:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.net [81.26.107.2]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9A8ldT00684 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:47:39 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-120-23-51.webport.bt.net [213.120.23.51]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g9A8mgt16634 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:48:42 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:36:25 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: jpegs Message-ID: <92dd24834b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <4b82f163dagav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b82f163dagav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b82f163dagav@crawford-print.co.uk> you wrote: > In article , > Michael Talibard wrote: > > > I have a CDRom of JPEGs that refuse to load into > > OPro (from the OProCD). Neither will they load into > > SwiftJpeg (1996 vintage) or Photodesk Light (V.3.03). > > They were made recently by someone using (I think) > > Adobe Photoshop, and are presumably a new sort of > > JPEG file. Any hope? > > /Probably of little help, but may be of interest to others/ > > I've experienced problems in the past when opening an OPro document > supplied by someone else, getting the error "Incomplete or corrupt JPEG > data" when it attempted to render a jpeg. > > It turned out that the document was created under RISC OS Select, which > has had many improvements to the JPEG handling to cope with a wider > range of JPEGs. The JPEG was imported directly into OPro from a digital > camera and was an Exif JPEG. Under Select there was no problem as OPro > was using RISC OS Select's JPEG rendering code. But under RO4 it > couldn't be rendered. > > The solution was to switch off 'Pictures' in OPro's view options and > export the JPEG from the frame. David Pilling's scanning software loaded > it with no problems and it was re-saved as a JPEG and imported back into > the frame with the same scaling settings. > But resaving as a JPEG will further degrade the image. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 13:13:00 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034239810:10:28536:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:13:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034239810:10:28536:72; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:50:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028610; 10 Oct 2002 8:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zZ0a-0006yN-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:49:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9A8nQl00941 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:49:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9A8nPW00934 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:49:25 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id g9A8nSG4032086 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:49:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:43:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b83258721ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b82f4e496awarrick@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b82e2be22dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b82f4e496awarrick@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b82f4e496awarrick@argonet.co.uk>, Adrian John Warrick wrote: > On 09 Oct, Dave Symes wrote: > > I never though I see myself saying or writing this, but I'm quite > > enjoying using the PC with WinXP. > > Dave S > Wait til you get the upcoming bill for your next years licence... If M$ did go down that route, it would still be cheaper than Select ;-) Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 13:13:00 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034240720:10:29945:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:13:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034240720:10:29945:53; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:05:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1028224; 10 Oct 2002 9:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zZ41-0007pg-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:53:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9A8quZ01461 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:52:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-4.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.23]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9A8quu01457 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:52:56 +0100 Received: from mel-rta7.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.61) by mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3DA24D320019DDFC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:52:50 +0200 Received: from habett (193.252.172.193) by mel-rta7.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3DA24BE60018EE1B for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:52:50 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:50:54 +0200 From: stephane HAbeTT roux To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: jpegs Message-ID: <4e3126834b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> References: <593725834b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <593725834b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> X-Organization: Islam Inc, canal anti.historique User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 X-Peer2Peer-Protocol: Dummies to dummies X-Priority: 911 X-URL: http://habett.org/ X-Accept-Language: en, fr, perl, de X-Hello-Kitty: meow meow. Keywords: nihilism, random, chaos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <593725834b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> you wrote: > In message > you wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a CDRom of JPEGs that refuse to load into > > > OPro (from the OProCD). Neither will they load into > > > SwiftJpeg (1996 vintage) or Photodesk Light (V.3.03). > > > They were made recently by someone using (I think) > > > Adobe Photoshop, and are presumably a new sort of > > > JPEG file. Any hope? > > > > > One possibility is that they are in CMYK format. Best bet for reading > > is ImageFS. > > i find Oragno very tolerant with nasty jpegs. Oregano -- |":._.:"| http://habett.org/ | (=) | habett@habett.org |_.:':._| Binaries for ever -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 13:13:03 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034247835:10:10536:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:13:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034247835:10:10536:58; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:03:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009185; 10 Oct 2002 11:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zb5Q-0003wF-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:02:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AB23P23106 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:02:03 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AB23o23102 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:02:03 +0100 Received: from centipede ([127.0.0.1] helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zb4r-0000eB-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:02:01 +0100 Received: from 195.152.254.85 (proxying for unknown) (WebMail authenticated user bb07) by email.argonet.co.uk with HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:02:01 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <55149.195.152.254.85.1034247721.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:02:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Windows version - Applets From: "David Breakwell" To: In-Reply-To: <4b82eee055gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4b82eee055gav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: WebMail (version 3.21 ß) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> > Although arrays would be very welcome - in both versions ;-) > Who needs arrays? There are lots of other ways of achieving array type functionallity. Hopefully IndexPro will work under Windows and all I then need to do is write a manual.... David Breakwell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 13:52:46 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034254315:20:09268:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:52:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034254315:20:09268:40; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:51:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bg2008806; 10 Oct 2002 12:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zcfH-0001Go-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:43:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AChDL18448 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:43:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AChCA18445 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:43:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zcem-000A20-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:43:12 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:41:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS >> software will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). >Does that mean it still runs on a RiscPC? Yes, as long as you install the new 32 bit Shared C library >And when run on a Omega with XScale (extra 32bits) processor, would use >that one? Omega has been sold on the basis that it can execute 32 bit code using its fast processor, whilst using its slower one for old 26 bit code. The idea being that as time goes on, more code will become 32 bit. So this development is one step along that road. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 14:52:44 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034257832:20:28461:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:52:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034257832:20:28461:47; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:50:32 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al2027491; 10 Oct 2002 13:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zdQ8-00018m-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:32:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9ADW0v28101 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:32:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9ADVxi28096 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:31:59 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id g9ADW2G3007247 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:32:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:26:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b833f73c7ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >> I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS > >> software will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). > >Does that mean it still runs on a RiscPC? > Yes, as long as you install the new 32 bit Shared C library Where do we find that if we don't have Select? I've done a search on the RISCOS Ltd web site but can't find it. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 15:22:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034259382:20:09186:196".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:22:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034259382:20:09186:196; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:16:22 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af2010371; 10 Oct 2002 14:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17ze0a-0005Cr-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:09:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AE8hZ05576 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:08:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AE8ht05557 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:08:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17zdzW-00010k-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:08:42 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:07:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b833f73c7ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b833f73c7ray@raydawson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> Yes, as long as you install the new 32 bit Shared C library >Where do we find that if we don't have Select? I've done a search on the >RISCOS Ltd web site but can't find it. My understanding is that the 32 bit Shared C Library which is supplied with the Castle 32 bit tools, is freely redistributable, along with the patch which allows its use with Select. Long term, ROSL and Castle will come to an agreement over this. Your question is heading the wrong way, Select does not come with a 32 bit Shared C library, Select in fact prevents the use of such a thing. As far as using 32 bit programs, Select users are at a disadvantage. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 16:22:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034263018:20:28662:69".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:22:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034263018:20:28662:69; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:16:58 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027752; 10 Oct 2002 15:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zf2B-0007EZ-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:15:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AFE4821697 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:14:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from post-21.mail.nl.demon.net (post-21.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AFE3o21694 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:14:03 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-21.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17zf0g-0007AX-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:13:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:16:08 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select [4.29] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi David, On Thu 10 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >> I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS > >> software will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). > >Does that mean it still runs on a RiscPC? > > Yes, as long as you install the new 32 bit Shared C library At first this puzzled me, but in your other mail you did explain. (select users are at a disadvantage) > >And when run on a Omega with XScale (extra 32bits) processor, would use > >that one? > > Omega has been sold on the basis that it can execute 32 bit code using > its fast processor, whilst using its slower one for old 26 bit code. The > idea being that as time goes on, more code will become 32 bit. So this > development is one step along that road. That's clear. Thanks for your answers David. Much appreciated. -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place When people are least sure, they are often most dogmatic. J K Galbraith -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 17:02:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034265411:20:09702:99".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:02:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034265411:20:09702:99; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:56:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2010055; 10 Oct 2002 15:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zfQi-00077B-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:40:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AFekw27179 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:40:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AFekl27175 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:40:46 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17zfQb-0006mB-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:40:45 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:16:29 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <1f7e49834b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 9 Oct 2002, in message <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk>, you wrote: > >And if I upgrade to an Omega and go for their internal PCI PC card, I > >am content to see that Microdigital are flogging W98 to go with this > >card; why do I need anything more bloated? > > I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS software > will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). > > Translation - you'll need to install a new Shared C Library. > > Translation - there'll be winners and losers. > There will certainly be losers. Select actively faults anything other than the supplied SCL. ROSL have their reasons for doing this; we may or may not agree with this policy, but until there's an *official* 32-bit SCL available, they intend to stick with it. The licence on the beta-test SCL which was available from ROSL expired many moons ago; there is no sign of it being renewed. AFAIK, the only other source for a low-cost 32-bit SCL is one which leaked out of Pace with an application, and which is unlicensed. I'm aware of Castle having produced something, at significant cost, I'm unsure how this integrates with Select, but surely no-one is going to buy a 32-bit development environment just to get a 32-bit SCL, in turn just to support your software? I don't think the SCL is available on its own. Furthermore, Castle's history on supporting/developing their product is not too good (cf Oregano). So, perhaps you'd like to tell us from where you propose we get a *supported* 32-bit SCL. While you're at it, perhaps you'd also like to explain who'd be your putative winners (apart from Castle Technology). -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 20:42:48 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034278355:20:20317:83".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:42:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034278355:20:20317:83; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:32:35 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2019017; 10 Oct 2002 19:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zivI-0007lt-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:24:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AJO3m00404 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:24:03 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AJO2S00400 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:24:02 +0100 Received: from [62.188.172.252] (helo=62.188.172.252) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17ziua-0005ch-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:23:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:26:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Wimp Programming for All Message-ID: <4b8334705balan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 09 Oct, Bruce Goatly wrote: > I've just been trying to look at the Wimp Programming for All files on > the "RISC User in a Nutshell" CD and find that OPro won't load them... > They were apparently produced on too old a version of Ovation. I assume that you have put the !Ovation1 applet in the !OvnPro.Applets directory. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 21:52:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034282955:10:28933:100".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:52:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034282955:10:28933:100; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:49:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029366; 10 Oct 2002 20:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zkEk-0004dB-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AKmMB09942 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AKmMX09934 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:22 +0100 Received: from [62.188.145.46] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zkEE-0007v1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:35:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version - Applets Message-ID: <4b8366b96egav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <55149.195.152.254.85.1034247721.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> References: <4b82eee055gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <55149.195.152.254.85.1034247721.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <55149.195.152.254.85.1034247721.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > >> > > Although arrays would be very welcome - in both versions ;-) > > > Who needs arrays? There are lots of other ways of achieving array type > functionallity. Yes, but it would save the overhead of each applet having to create it's own. Out of interest what are the other ways, maybe you have ideas that would better suit some of my current applet projects? Maybe a repository of useful applet functions should be set up somewhere on the net that applet authors can refer to and share ideas, in a similar way to some of the PHP sites around. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 21:52:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034282956:10:28915:97".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:52:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034282956:10:28915:97; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:49:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029378; 10 Oct 2002 20:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zkEk-0004dC-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AKmOK09950 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AKmNa09945 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:23 +0100 Received: from [62.188.145.46] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zkEH-0007v1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:46:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version - Applets Message-ID: <4b8367b6eagav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6nhKpDO$rMp9Ewg3@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4b82eee055gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <6nhKpDO$rMp9Ewg3@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <6nhKpDO$rMp9Ewg3@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Yes the script language is the same. In fact your applet PastePos > (which allows you to paste things in the same position they were > copied) appears to work with no changes (to the RISC OS code). Cool! :-) Although it could have some changes made to the code for the win version as it won't need to check OPro's version number, as all Windows versions of OPro will include the code that was added in 2.64 that allows PastePos to work. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 21:52:48 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034282959:10:28915:159".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:52:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034282959:10:28915:159; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:49:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029407; 10 Oct 2002 20:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zkEk-0004x8-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AKmJO09931 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AKmJN09928 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:19 +0100 Received: from [62.188.145.46] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zkE6-0007v1-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:14:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: jpegs Message-ID: <4b8364cc6agav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b83256dbcray@raydawson.com> References: <4b82f163dagav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4b83256dbcray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b83256dbcray@raydawson.com>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <4b82f163dagav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > The solution was to switch off 'Pictures' in OPro's view options and > > export the JPEG from the frame. David Pilling's scanning software > > loaded it with no problems and it was re-saved as a JPEG and imported > > back into the frame with the same scaling settings. > The problem with doing that is you do lose a degree of quality loading > and resaving a JPEG. Setting the scan software to 100% quality will > improve that, but not completely as JPEGs are a lossy format. Well yes, but if the original JPEG is of sufficient quality to start with, resaving with 100% quality will lose very little. Usually the degradation in the newly created JPEG is undetectable with the human eye. If the image is re-processed many times, being saved and reloaded as a JPEG at each stage, then there will be noticeable loss. Even though saving a JPEG at 100% quality does lose some image information, at this setting, it's mainly only in the colour space. I've just done a little test and after repeatedly loading and saving a JPEG 10 times with 100% quality setting, the only noticeable difference between them is that the colour starts to look a little dull. If anybody is still interested... :-) The reason a JPEG was saved back into the original document is that from PostScript Level 2 the JPEG format is incorporated into the PostScript Language and OPro allows the JPEG data to be output directly into the PostScript stream [1]. This can have a significant increase in speed a RIP takes to process a job (especially colour devices). The overall importance of all this is that the image, whatever its format, is of sufficient quality and resolution that it produces the required results when rendered/output on the intended device. [1] OPro does have a small problem that can effect JPEG output. It is well documented that when a JPEG in OPro is processed in OPro using Picture->Process... the JPEG will be handled as a Sprite from then on, including its output to the PostScript print driver. But although clicking on 'Default' in the Process dialogue removes the effects of any processing, it doesn't make OPro revert back to treating the image as a JPEG. What should be noted is that if you replace the image by dropping a JPEG into the same frame, that too is still treated as if a Sprite when it is printed to PostScript. The only way to reset OPro's handling of that frame's image is to make the frame into a text frame and reload the JPEG. ... all very boring I know, but you never know someone someday may just find that useful :-) -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 22:02:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034283365:20:11148:129".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:02:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034283365:20:11148:129; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:56:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011221; 10 Oct 2002 20:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zkLT-000514-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:55:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AKth010863 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:55:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.39]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AKtg110860 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:55:42 +0100 Received: from [62.64.231.186] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17zkJo-000910-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:54:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:55:28 +0100 From: Dennis Mews To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <158768834b.dennismews@dennismews.tiscali.co.uk> References: <4b82e2be22dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b82f4e496awarrick@argonet.co.uk> <4b83258721ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b83258721ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 X-No-Archive: YesMIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b83258721ray@raydawson.com> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <4b82f4e496awarrick@argonet.co.uk>, > Adrian John Warrick wrote: > > On 09 Oct, Dave Symes wrote: > > > > > I never though I see myself saying or writing this, but I'm quite > > > enjoying using the PC with WinXP. > > > > Dave S > > > Wait til you get the upcoming bill for your next years licence... > > > If M$ did go down that route, it would still be cheaper than Select ;-) > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Select can't be switched off, though, if you don't pay . . . . . . -- Cheers Dennis Mews - Kidderminster, UK StrongArm RiscPC Risc OS 4.29 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 22:02:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034283567:10:14926:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:58:39 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:57:16 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version - Applets References: <4b82eee055gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <55149.195.152.254.85.1034247721.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b8366b96egav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8366b96egav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Out of interest what are the other ways, maybe you have ideas that would >better suit some of my current applet projects? Two ways spring to mind. Use a string. Use the tagread() and tagwrite() functions. But really I do agree arrays would be useful - one doesn't write many applets before discovering that. I'd also add support for a float data type. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 22:52:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034286500:20:26991:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:52:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034286500:20:26991:60; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:48:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026271; 10 Oct 2002 21:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zl9X-0001iw-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:47:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9ALkY116034 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:46:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9ALkXr16031 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:46:33 +0100 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:46:33 +0100 Received: from RPC (unverified [213.48.250.120]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:46:33 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:40:36 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Wimp Programming for All Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4b8334705balan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b8334705balan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > On 09 Oct, Bruce Goatly wrote: > > I've just been trying to look at the Wimp Programming for All files on > > the "RISC User in a Nutshell" CD and find that OPro won't load them... > > They were apparently produced on too old a version of Ovation. > > I assume that you have put the !Ovation1 applet in the !OvnPro.Applets > directory. Actually, no, I hadn't. 8-( (I then found that two of the chapters wouldn't display properly because two illustrations gave BAD MODE errors. Fortunately today's hint from Gavin Crawford about turning off pictures in the View options came at just the right time for me to be able to export the sprites and process them viciously in I----M-----, which did the trick. So, thanks to Gavin for that.) Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 10 23:12:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034287682:10:28060:67".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:12:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034287682:10:28060:67; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:08:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103844; 10 Oct 2002 22:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zlSG-0002js-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:06:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AM6PQ17837 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:06:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AM6Ox17833 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:06:24 +0100 Received: from pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:06:24 +0100 Received: from ace (unverified [62.30.106.206]) by pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:06:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: VinceH To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:59:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8368e4e8extsubs@softrock.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b833f73c7ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >> Yes, as long as you install the new 32 bit Shared C library > >Where do we find that if we don't have Select? I've done a > >search on the RISCOS Ltd web site but can't find it. > My understanding is that the 32 bit Shared C Library which is > supplied with the Castle 32 bit tools, is freely > redistributable, The site certainly says that is so - the package comes with a licence to distribute the relevant modules. > along with the patch which allows its use > with Select. I didn't notice that said, though. Nope. It definitely doesn't mention that. > Long term, ROSL and Castle will come to an agreement over this. I would certainly hope so - not least because I've now (yesterday) ordered Castle's C/C++ package and (at long long last) Select from ROSL. My understanding was that the restriction put in place in Select was to prevent use of the /beta/ 32bit C library; there should be no reason for ROSL to play silly buggers over a legitimate release. > Your question is heading the wrong way, Select does not come > with a 32 bit Shared C library, Select in fact prevents the > use of such a thing. As far as using 32 bit programs, Select > users are at a disadvantage. Well, not if your comment about the patch is correct - or if there's an end to any general bitching and silliness which may or may not be going on. VinceH -- VinceH can be found in the vicinity of http://www.vinceh.com Soft Rock Software can be found around http://www.softrock.co.uk WebChange2 for RISC OS & Windows is at http://www.webchange.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 01:13:03 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034294707:10:13021:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:13:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034294707:10:13021:59; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:05:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013115; 11 Oct 2002 0:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zgQM-00062U-00; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:44:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AGhcx05302 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:43:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9AGhbf05299 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:43:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zgPR-000I2Q-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:43:37 +0100 Message-ID: <0zIJ8JHb3ap9EwBa@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:42:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1f7e49834b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1f7e49834b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I'm aware of Castle having produced something, at significant cost, I'm >unsure how this integrates with Select, but surely no-one is going to buy a >32-bit development environment just to get a 32-bit SCL, in turn just to >support your software? I don't think the SCL is available on its >own. As I understand it the Castle 32 bit shared C Library is freely distributable along with the patch that enables it to be used with Select. Clearly if I use their 32 bit tools I expect to be able to let anyone use the resulting code - which implies the C library has to be freely available. The winners will be those with 32 bit computers... The future is 32 bits, be it Omega or anything else. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 13:52:19 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034325683:20:05698:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:52:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034325683:20:05698:68; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:41:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id av2005208; 11 Oct 2002 8:40 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zvHo-0002ib-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:36:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9B8a4T25011 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:36:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9B8a3n25008 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:36:04 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id g9B8a7G3028345 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:36:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:32:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b83a85dafray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Dan McCarthy wrote: > > I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS > > software will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). > > > > Translation - you'll need to install a new Shared C Library. > > > > Translation - there'll be winners and losers. > Oh Dear. Does this mean I will have to upgrade to RO4 and a StrongArm > Chip? If you have a PC anyway - or access to a PC - it could be cheaper to upgrade to the Windows version and use that. That's certainly the way I will go. I use my Risc PC mainly for Ovation Pro, Pluto and Zap. With a Windows version of OP, Turnpike instead of Pluto and Zap on Virtual Acorn, there's not a lot of reason to keep using the Risc PC. It's not that a Windows version of OP is stopping me from using the Risc PC - I already have it running on the PC under VA, but a native version would obviously be so much more convenient. It's interesting that my 8 and 10 year old children have no wish to use my Risc PC, or anything on it, but they do prefer to use Ovation Pro on VA on the PC. Nothing else on VA, but just OP which they prefer to Word etc. I did have Serif Pageplus installed for a while, but they still used OP under emulation. So, there is a market for a decent publishing package in Windowsland and I'm sure Ovation Pro will fit the bill - as long as it's competitively priced and conforms to the Windows key presses and way of doing things. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 13:52:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034318628:10:06552:88".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:52:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034318628:10:06552:88; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:43:48 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114519; 11 Oct 2002 6:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17ztW4-0006tb-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:43:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9B6gnR13467 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:42:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9B6gjF13461 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:42:47 +0100 Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p202-36-220-161.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.161]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g9B6gf219624 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:42:41 +1300 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:43:27 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thu 10 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >And if I upgrade to an Omega and go for their internal PCI PC card, I > >am content to see that Microdigital are flogging W98 to go with this > >card; why do I need anything more bloated? > > I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS software > will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). > > Translation - you'll need to install a new Shared C Library. > > Translation - there'll be winners and losers. Oh Dear. Does this mean I will have to upgrade to RO4 and a StrongArm Chip? > ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - EXTREME PUBLISHING SPORTS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 14:12:12 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034341628:10:24040:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:12:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034341628:10:24040:56; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:07:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bc1022376; 11 Oct 2002 13:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17zzQ1-0004Te-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:01:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9BD0pA02802 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:00:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9BD0pY02798 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:00:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zzPO-000Oly-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:00:50 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:59:42 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Oh Dear. Does this mean I will have to upgrade to RO4 and a >StrongArm Chip? No. I believe the base configuration will remain at RISC OS 3.1. It's interesting how things change, there were RISC OS 2 users, with A440's and so on, for a long time, but eventually they disappeared. I suspect we're getting to the point where everyone has a RISC PC or equally modern machine. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 14:42:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034343289:10:15277:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:42:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034343289:10:15277:52; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:34:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1128997; 11 Oct 2002 13:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17zzev-00061W-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:16:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9BDGgG05589 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:16:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9BDGgf05586 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:16:42 +0100 Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.176.80]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021011131641.VDJO28874.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:16:41 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE582BEBD for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:43:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.53) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 11 Oct 2002 13:43:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:43:37 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <5c55bf834b.philip@philipnet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.53) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id g9BDGgf05587 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 11 Oct in message Dan McCarthy wrote: >On Thu 10 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >> >> >And if I upgrade to an Omega and go for their internal PCI PC card, I >> >am content to see that Microdigital are flogging W98 to go with this >> >card; why do I need anything more bloated? >> >> I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS software >> will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). >> >> Translation - you'll need to install a new Shared C Library. >> >> Translation - there'll be winners and losers. > > >Oh Dear. Does this mean I will have to upgrade to RO4 and a >StrongArm Chip? No. You would still be able to use any 32-bit compatible applications with hardware as earlyas ARM 600 and running RISC OS 3.5. It will (of course) also work with RISC OS 3.6, 3.7, on ARM 700's and later. Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 16:22:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034349474:20:08333:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:22:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034349474:20:08333:42; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:17:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2004736; 11 Oct 2002 15:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1801HD-0006CZ-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:00:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9BExWS23044 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:59:32 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9BExWG23041 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:59:32 +0100 Received: from [213.116.60.104] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1801G8-0004vI-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:59:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:47:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8372cae0steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b83258721ray@raydawson.com> References: <4b82e2be22dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b82f4e496awarrick@argonet.co.uk> <4b83258721ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 10 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > If M$ did go down that route, it would still be cheaper than Select ;-) What's it like being dead? -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 16:32:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034349825:10:23762:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:32:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034349825:10:23762:42; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:23:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120999; 11 Oct 2002 15:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1801aj-0000Yw-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:20:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9BFKbq27575 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:20:37 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9BFKab27571 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:20:36 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id g9BFKdG3000395 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:20:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:11:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b83ccdb51ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b8372cae0steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b82e2be22dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b82f4e496awarrick@argonet.co.uk> <4b83258721ray@raydawson.com> <4b8372cae0steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b8372cae0steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 10 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > > If M$ did go down that route, it would still be cheaper than Select ;-) > What's it like being dead? I didn't say Select was dead ;-) Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 19:34:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034357450:20:15428:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:34:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034357450:20:15428:63; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:30:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2014951; 11 Oct 2002 17:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1803NB-0003GJ-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:14:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9BHEJ614046 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:14:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9BHEIm14041 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:14:18 +0100 Received: from modem-84.astatine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.62.84] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1803Mb-0006Lv-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:14:16 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:13:59 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JPK, Bangor.Pager 07626-235878 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thu 10 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >> I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS > >> software will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). > >Does that mean it still runs on a RiscPC? > > Yes, as long as you install the new 32 bit Shared C library > > >And when run on a Omega with XScale (extra 32bits) processor, would use > >that one? > > Omega has been sold on the basis that it can execute 32 bit code using > its fast processor, whilst using its slower one for old 26 bit code. The > idea being that as time goes on, more code will become 32 bit. So this > development is one step along that road. > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > Will the 32 bit C lib work on a riscstation & your new softwhare? -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, 21 Glantraeth, Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1HQ. "phone" 01248 - 353264 RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 19:44:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034361541:10:17243:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:44:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034361541:10:17243:46; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:39:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110338; 11 Oct 2002 18:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1804gF-0006vg-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:38:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9BIc0H22785 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:38:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9BIbx022775 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:38:00 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1804ff-000CiS-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:37:59 +0100 Message-ID: <$Y+7WcGDpxp9Ewzh@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:36:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Will the 32 bit C lib work on a riscstation & your new softwhare? I believe so. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 22:05:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034370143:20:17605:79".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:05:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034370143:20:17605:79; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:02:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017569; 11 Oct 2002 21:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1806tj-0004ce-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:00:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9BL0Bl04532 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:00:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9BL09E04515 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:00:09 +0100 Received: from [62.188.154.54] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1806tA-0004yd-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:00:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:31:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b83e4b420steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b83ccdb51ray@raydawson.com> References: <4b82e2be22dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b82f4e496awarrick@argonet.co.uk> <4b83258721ray@raydawson.com> <4b8372cae0steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b83ccdb51ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 11 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <4b8372cae0steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, > Steven Pampling wrote: > > On 10 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > If M$ did go down that route, it would still be cheaper than Select ;-) > > What's it like being dead? > I didn't say Select was dead ;-) NO, you misunderstand. I was referring to your exact words quoted, i.e. "If M$ did go down that route, *it would still be cheaper* than Select." (my emphasis in there) -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 22:54:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034373224:10:00245:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:54:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034373224:10:00245:55; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:53:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000357; 11 Oct 2002 21:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1807iv-0001cf-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:53:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9BLr1L08877 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:53:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9BLr0g08872 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:53:00 +0100 Received: from [62.188.135.159] (helo=62.188.135.159) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1807iL-0006C7-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:52:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:44:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version - Applets Message-ID: <4b83f65c49davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b82eee055gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <55149.195.152.254.85.1034247721.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b8366b96egav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Out of interest what are the other ways, maybe you have ideas that would > >better suit some of my current applet projects? > Two ways spring to mind. > Use a string. > Use the tagread() and tagwrite() functions. > But really I do agree arrays would be useful - one doesn't write many > applets before discovering that. I'd also add support for a float data > type. Cool - I always assumed there was a technical reason for not providing them (it certainly presented a challenge when I wrote IdxPro). I tend to use strings to hold the array - a second string provides an offset index (so that things don't have to fixed length) David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 22:54:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034373224:10:00268:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:54:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034373224:10:00268:60; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:53:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000340; 11 Oct 2002 21:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1807iv-0001kJ-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:53:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9BLr4k08884 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:53:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9BLr3J08881 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:53:03 +0100 Received: from [62.188.135.159] (helo=62.188.135.159) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1807iO-0006C7-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:53:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:45:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version - Applets Message-ID: <4b83f67306davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8366b96egav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4b82eee055gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <55149.195.152.254.85.1034247721.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b8366b96egav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b8366b96egav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > Maybe a repository of useful applet functions should be set up > somewhere on the net that applet authors can refer to and share ideas, > in a similar way to some of the PHP sites around. That would be good idea - I've certainly used a fex tricks to get things working... Email me direct if you need some assistance and I'll try to help David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 11 23:14:46 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034373909:10:13786:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:14:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034373909:10:13786:47; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:05:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012988; 11 Oct 2002 22:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1807py-00022g-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:00:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9BM0S409458 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:00:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from oracle.uk.clara.net (oracle.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9BM0Sb09454 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:00:28 +0100 Received: from du-002-0185.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.185] helo=skiddaw) by oracle.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #3) id 1807pa-000IUE-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:00:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:13:28 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <2388dd834b.steve@skiddaw.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b83a85dafray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b83a85dafray@raydawson.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Feb 2002) [TEST 9], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 11 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote in message <4b83a85dafray@raydawson.com>: > In article , Dan > McCarthy wrote: > > > > I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS > > > software will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). > > > > > > Translation - you'll need to install a new Shared C Library. > > > > > > Translation - there'll be winners and losers. > > > > Oh Dear. Does this mean I will have to upgrade to RO4 and a StrongArm > > Chip? No. The StrongARM is no different from earlier ARM versions in this sense and all we're talking about is "32-bit aware code", not "32-bit only code". Such code needs a specific Shared C Library, but that should run on older machines (it's just that RISCOS Ltd are being petty WRT Select). > If you have a PC anyway - or access to a PC - it could be cheaper to > upgrade to the Windows version and use that. But it isn't necessary to get RO4/StrongARM use the 32-bit version -- please don't spread FUD Ray. Having said that, upgrading to RO4 (StrongARM isn't necessary) would be helpful (at least in supporting the OS and getting access to the new features it contains). If people stopped using antiquated versions of RISC OS (ie. 3.7 or earlier) software development would be much easier for those still writing for RISC OS. -- Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 15 17:45:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034446964:10:01135:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:45:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034446964:10:01135:44; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:22:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105214; 12 Oct 2002 18:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 180Qu2-0003Aw-00; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:22:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9CILel19646 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:21:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9CILdR19642 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:21:39 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id g9CILgG4029350 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:21:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:13:52 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Demo Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4b8461679dray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Michael Martin emailed me with this query as he is trying out the demo version of OP before buying it to replace Publisher. Cheers, Ray D >From Mick: Just been playing about with the Ovation Pro demo (Before I buy a Copy) - trying out the printers settings, But find a problem with the shade of Black when Printing on my Laser Printer, I set up a Table by (TableMate) and shaded some cell to a shade of Black, by the cell colour picker what is in TableMate to RGB set at 73% but after printing it out the shade was far to dark it looked more like the RGB had been set at 20.0%. I have tried every thing I know but still cannot get the shade I'm after. have you any clue to what I'm doing wrong here Ray. I tried the same shade in Impression Publisher and that gave me the shade I had it set for. -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 15 17:45:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034448668:10:29484:98".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:45:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034448668:10:29484:98; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:51:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029739; 12 Oct 2002 18:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 180RLf-0003QN-00; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:50:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9CIokh21825 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:50:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9CIokA21822 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:50:46 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.218]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021012185045.GTTO27697.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:50:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:50:32 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Demo Ovation Pro Message-ID: References: <4b8461679dray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b8461679dray@raydawson.com> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, Ray Dawson wrote: > I set up a Table by (TableMate) and shaded some cell to a shade of Black, > by the cell colour picker what is in TableMate to RGB set at 73% but > after printing it out the shade was far to dark it looked more like the > RGB had been set at 20.0%. Sounds to me like it could be the screen settings (accessed from the Print dialogue). Imp doesn't let you change these IIRC but OPro does. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 15 17:45:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034453681:10:25684:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:45:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034453681:10:25684:41; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:14:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114155; 12 Oct 2002 20:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 180Se3-0000Pd-00; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:13:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9CKDL929327 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:13:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9CKDLW29324 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:13:21 +0100 Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 180SdU-000O5P-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:13:20 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:13:42 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Demo Ovation Pro To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b8461679dray@raydawson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sat 12 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > Michael Martin emailed me with this query as he is trying out the demo > version of OP before buying it to replace Publisher. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > > >From Mick: > Just been playing about with the Ovation Pro demo (Before I buy a > Copy) - trying out the printers settings, But find a problem with the > shade of Black when Printing on my Laser Printer, I set up a Table by > (TableMate) and shaded some cell to a shade of Black, by the cell colour > picker what is in TableMate to RGB set at 73% but after printing it out > the shade was far to dark it looked more like the RGB had been set at > 20.0%. > > I have tried every thing I know but still cannot get the shade I'm after. > have you any clue to what I'm doing wrong here Ray. > > I tried the same shade in Impression Publisher and that gave me the shade > I had it set for. > Try going into the OPro print dialogue - Print setup - Separations - Screen - PostScript screen and untick. This leaves your laser to decide the screening. Works for me with Kyocera 1750 John -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 15 17:45:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034464542:10:00657:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:45:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034464542:10:00657:41; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:15:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128037; 12 Oct 2002 23:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 180VTZ-0006Hj-00; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:15:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9CNEaN10661 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:14:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9CNEZD10658 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:14:35 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id g9CNEbG5005029 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:14:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:13:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Demo Ovation Pro Message-ID: <4b847cddb5ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4b8461679dray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , John Bodiam wrote: > Try going into the OPro print dialogue - Print setup - Separations - > Screen - PostScript screen and untick. > This leaves your laser to decide the screening. > Works for me with Kyocera 1750 Thanks John and John. I'll pass the answer to Mick, although he is subscribing to this list. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 15 17:45:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034472975:10:08041:106".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:45:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034472975:10:08041:106; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 01:36:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008098; 13 Oct 2002 1:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 180Xfb-0005rU-00; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:35:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9D1ZLK25104 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:35:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mail@new-tonge.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9D1ZLE25101 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:35:21 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 180Xf7-0003BG-00 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:35:21 +0100 Received: from zetnet.co.uk (bts-0150.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.48.150]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id g9D1ZJe31653 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:35:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:25:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro, Demo Message-ID: <4b8488e72fmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Thank you John, and John. for your email to Ray Dawson with the Printing problem with Ovation Pro Demo, what I'm trying before I order a copy, But when you go into OPro print dialogue - and Print setup you cannot click on the Separations, or Print sheet, as they are grayed out on the demo version to un-tick the -PostScript. But thank you for your kind help. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |======== Member of the Foundation =========|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 15 17:45:36 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034490063:10:10684:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:45:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034490063:10:10684:66; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 06:21:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010747; 13 Oct 2002 6:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 180c7L-0006ZC-00; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 07:20:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9D6KDS09321 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 07:20:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from aether.demon.co.uk (aether.demon.co.uk [158.152.186.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9D6KC909317 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 07:20:12 +0100 Received: from medusa.therealm ([192.168.0.2] helo=aether.demon.co.uk) by aether.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 180c6E-0006CU-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 07:19:38 +0100 Received: from matthew by aether.demon.co.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.54beta4) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 13 Oct 2002 07:19:43 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 07:19:42 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <8fdba3844b.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b83a85dafray@raydawson.com> <2388dd834b.steve@skiddaw.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2388dd834b.steve@skiddaw.stevefryatt.org.uk> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.54beta4) (RISC-OS/4.29) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Feb 2002) [TEST 9], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <2388dd834b.steve@skiddaw.stevefryatt.org.uk> Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 11 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote in message > <4b83a85dafray@raydawson.com>: > [snip] > > > Oh Dear. Does this mean I will have to upgrade to RO4 and a StrongArm > > > Chip? > > No. The StrongARM is no different from earlier ARM versions in this > sense and all we're talking about is "32-bit aware code", not "32-bit > only code". Such code needs a specific Shared C Library, but that should > run on older machines (it's just that RISCOS Ltd are being petty WRT > Select). [snip] This is edging off-topic but... I disagree with "petty". "Heavy handed" maybe. ROL have a problem which is that the *temporary* licence under which the 32-bit C library was distributed quite clearly stated that it was temporary. They are certainly aware of the fact the many normally law abiding citizens have a blind spot as far as software licences are concerned. Therefore how to make sure the licence is respected. They chose a mechanical solution. It may not have been the solution I would have chosen but it is as legitimate as any other. -- (\/)atthew )-(ambley ---------------\ If something's worth doing it's worth E-mail : matthew@aether.demon.co.uk \ doing badly until you can learn to Public key : C487AC52 \ do it well. Web : http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/ \----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 15 17:45:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034521245:10:25803:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:45:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034521245:10:25803:53; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:00:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025726; 13 Oct 2002 15:00 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 180kB9-0004JI-00; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:57:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9DEuUn13339 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:56:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9DEuUQ13335 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:56:30 +0100 Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.176.19]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021013145628.IDUA292.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:56:28 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8052C01C for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:45:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.53) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 13 Oct 2002 09:43:30 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:43:28 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b83a85dafray@raydawson.com> <2388dd834b.steve@skiddaw.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8fdba3844b.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8fdba3844b.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.53) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 13 Oct in message <8fdba3844b.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> Matthew Hambley wrote: >In message <2388dd834b.steve@skiddaw.stevefryatt.org.uk> > Steve Fryatt wrote: > >> On 11 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote in message >> <4b83a85dafray@raydawson.com>: >> >[snip] >> > > Oh Dear. Does this mean I will have to upgrade to RO4 and a StrongArm >> > > Chip? >> >> No. The StrongARM is no different from earlier ARM versions in this >> sense and all we're talking about is "32-bit aware code", not "32-bit >> only code". Such code needs a specific Shared C Library, but that should >> run on older machines (it's just that RISCOS Ltd are being petty WRT >> Select). >[snip] > >This is edging off-topic but... I disagree with "petty". "Heavy handed" >maybe. ROL have a problem which is that the *temporary* licence under >which the 32-bit C library was distributed quite clearly stated that it was >temporary. They are certainly aware of the fact the many normally law >abiding citizens have a blind spot as far as software licences are >concerned. Therefore how to make sure the licence is respected. They >chose a mechanical solution. It may not have been the solution I would >have chosen but it is as legitimate as any other. Going even more off topic ... Castle are now distributing the 32-bit compiler tools officially - no beta product here. With it you are officialy allowed to distribute the 32-bit aware Shared C Library (module) and any 32-bit aware/only programs which rely on it. The restriction on Select is something that needs to be sorted out between RISC OS Ltd., Castle (and possibly Pace as that's where the 32-bit compiler tools originated from). Hopefully with the talk of another Select CD by the end of the month (in time for the show!) they will have come to an amicable agreement :-). Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 15 17:45:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034523018:10:27429:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:45:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034523018:10:27429:41; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:30:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116616; 13 Oct 2002 15:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 180kgl-0007wC-00; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:29:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9DFTlD16551 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:29:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp1.global.net.uk (smtp1.global.net.uk [80.189.92.225]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9DFTkE16546 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:29:46 +0100 Received: from gr.189.21.202.dial.global.net.uk ([80.189.21.202] helo=RTV) by smtp1.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 180kgZ-000Krl-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:29:43 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:51:58 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: <4B84D2C1A5%mik.towse@xemik.com> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.60f POPstar/2.03 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS(1.38) Passwords X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I used the password facility quite a lot on my old RPC SA 3.7, but on my main RPC with RO4.02 it doesn't seem to work. Does PASSWORDing a file work under 4.02? TIA -- A lie that can be passed off as truth becomes truth __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:44:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034703544:10:22367:169; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:39:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111260; 15 Oct 2002 17:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 181VeC-00067Y-00; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:38:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9FHbbV18650 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:37:37 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9FHbaV18647 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:37:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 181VdP-000HKr-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:37:35 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:36:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro, Demo References: <4b8488e72fmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8488e72fmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >problem with Ovation Pro Demo, what I'm trying before I order a copy, But >when you go into OPro print dialogue - and Print setup you cannot click on >the Separations, But the demo version comes with the Colour Supplement applet installed, so I can't see why that button is greyed - it wasn't when I just tried it. Where did this demo copy come from? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 15 19:54:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034707757:20:05539:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:54:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034707757:20:05539:41; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:49:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005030; 15 Oct 2002 18:48 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 181WkK-0001nu-00; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:48:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9FIm8727839 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:48:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mail@new-tonge.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9FIm7k27835 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:48:07 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 181Wjf-0001Nf-00 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:48:07 +0100 Received: from zetnet.co.uk (bts-1020.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.51.252]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id g9FIm5j20618 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:48:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:45:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro, Demo Message-ID: <4b85efcf61mmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b8488e72fmmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >problem with Ovation Pro Demo, what I'm trying before I order a copy, But > >when you go into OPro print dialogue - and Print setup you cannot click on > >the Separations, > But the demo version comes with the Colour Supplement applet installed, > so I can't see why that button is greyed - it wasn't when I just tried > it. Where did this demo copy come from? It was the version what I downloaded from your Web-site some time back, and started trying it out, As I'm thinking of changing over from Impression Publisher, But I also got a copy from Castle when I got my new Kinetic RiscPC at the start of the years I will search that version out and see if that is the same as the one I'm having the Print problems with. But as you will see with the screen shot of the Printer setup that I sent you with my reply email that they are grade out on it. Best Regards, Mick -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |======== Member of the Foundation =========|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 15 21:24:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034713309:10:06881:135".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:24:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034713309:10:06881:135; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:21:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1106302; 15 Oct 2002 20:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 181YC0-00053b-00; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:21:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9FKKUk07470 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:20:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9FKKTH07467 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:20:30 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-1-dialup-156.spectraweb.ch [194.230.153.156]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id g9FKKL620942 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:20:21 +0200 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:18:16 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Macros not loading To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <221afe794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Even if somewhat late, but just read this message. My ISP leaves to be desired. On Sun 22 Sep, Jon Keates wrote: > > In message > David Pilling once upon a time wrote : > > > [snip] > > > >I've tried removing all the applets and then adding them back one by > > >one, but again the only ones that will load are the original two. I've > > >also looked in Boot (OS2.9) for OPro references, but can't find any > > >Choices data belonging to OPro, or other references to it. > > > > Not for the first time I wonder if there's an application around that > > compares two directory trees and prints out the differences... There is, and very nice at that. !DirComp by Paul Witheridge. The Help file states it to be copyright RISC User 1994. It might be on the final RiscUser CD. It works with RO4.02. snip the rest Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 16 14:13:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034773842:10:29799:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:13:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034773842:10:29799:57; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:10:42 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029366; 16 Oct 2002 13:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 181nsn-0004uG-00; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:06:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9GD6Ag16847 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:06:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GD69g16842 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:06:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 181nsH-0001oM-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:06:09 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:05:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS(1.38) Passwords References: <4B84D2C1A5%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4B84D2C1A5%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I used the password facility quite a lot on my old RPC SA 3.7, but on my >main RPC with RO4.02 it doesn't seem to work. >Does PASSWORDing a file work under 4.02? Yes, it works under 4.02. Usual trouble is not bashing return after entering the password. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 16 18:13:05 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034787968:20:23751:84".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:13:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034787968:20:23751:84; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:06:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag2024281; 16 Oct 2002 17:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 181rVj-00089a-00; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:59:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9GGwYd04603 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:58:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GGwYO04599 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:58:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 181rVC-000H6r-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:58:34 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:57:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP:cursor/window behaviour References: <4B84D2C1A5%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hello, Ovation: Moving the cursor one line up or down has the effect that the window is moving to a complete different position (where no cursor is and sometimes it even moves to the pasteboard). This is since short (one week) and I can't explain it, because nothing has changed). I did de-activate some applets, but it does not make any difference. Somebody recognises the problem or has an idea? -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 16 18:52:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034790298:20:14589:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:52:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034790298:20:14589:64; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:44:58 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2101909; 16 Oct 2002 17:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 181rnN-0002D2-00; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:17:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9GHHF207362 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:17:15 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GHHFi07357 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:17:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 181rnH-0003wm-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:17:15 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:16:08 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP:cursor/window behaviour References: <4B84D2C1A5%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Ovation: Moving the cursor one line up or down has the >effect that the window is moving to a complete different position >(where no cursor is and sometimes it even moves to the pasteboard). >This is since short Depends, if this is just happening in one document then it is probably a bug or some oddity of the contents. If it happens in all documents then it is perhaps due to some change to OP, applets etc. - I suppose one could redefine the cursor keys to move the window view around. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 16 19:12:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034791674:20:00516:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:12:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034791674:20:00516:60; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:07:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2000786; 16 Oct 2002 18:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 181sPG-0007Tq-00; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:56:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9GHuOZ12481 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:56:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GHuNh12478 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:56:23 +0100 Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.184.110]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021016175620.QVGU28874.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:56:20 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (gromit.philipnet.com [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50622C8AF for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:56:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.53) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 16 Oct 2002 18:55:59 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:55:58 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP:cursor/window behaviour Message-ID: <561c6f864b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4B84D2C1A5%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.53) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 16 Oct in message David Pilling wrote: >Hello, > >Ovation: Moving the cursor one line up or down has the >effect that the window is moving to a complete different position (where >no cursor is and sometimes it even moves to the pasteboard). This is >since short (one week) and I can't explain it, because nothing has >changed). I did de-activate some applets, but it does not make any >difference. > >Somebody recognises the problem or has an idea? One document or all of them? If it is just one try saving the document out as DDL and then reloading it. Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 16 22:53:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034804773:20:17360:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:53:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034804773:20:17360:56; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:46:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016366; 16 Oct 2002 21:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 181vyc-0005tc-00; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:45:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9GLice05424 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:44:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GLibV05421 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:44:37 +0100 Received: from RTV (userdy10.uk.uudial.com [62.188.8.202]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g9GLdBK17864 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:39:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:43:41 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS(1.38) Passwords Message-ID: <4B86737A97%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4B84D2C1A5%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.60f POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Pilling wrote: > >I used the password facility quite a lot on my old RPC SA 3.7, but on my > >main RPC with RO4.02 it doesn't seem to work. Does PASSWORDing a file > >work under 4.02? [snip] > Usual trouble is not bashing return after entering the password. I remembered that. :o) I asked the Q because I couldn't find the manual, but I dug it up after a lengthy search. I'd forgotten that only files added after setting the password are encrypted. But thanks for the reply, anyway. -- Pentium Graphics Enhancer - 16 million coolers on screen __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:03:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034805586:10:03054:64; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:59:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114157; 16 Oct 2002 21:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 181wC4-0006zU-00; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:59:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9GLx4g06941 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:59:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GLx4p06934 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:59:04 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 181wBz-000PEF-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:59:03 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:57:43 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS(1.38) Passwords References: <4B84D2C1A5%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4B86737A97%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4B86737A97%mik.towse@xemik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >but I dug it up after a lengthy search. I'd forgotten that only files added >after setting the password are encrypted. This seems to be massively counterintuitive. Time and again I've tried to explain the point. I wonder what I could do to improve matters. I can't make the program work the obvious way, maybe I could add some feedback to the password window - say text which says "password (not) set. And then some static text which says "data is only encrypted or decrypted when being added to or removed from the archive". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 17 13:29:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034854733:20:08278:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:29:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034854733:20:08278:57; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:38:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bg2104328; 17 Oct 2002 11:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1828oJ-0001VN-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:27:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9HBQIw20772 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:26:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9HBQHC20766 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:26:17 +0100 Received: from dougal.locationworks.com ([62.49.148.34] helo=kell) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1828nA-0007zL-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:26:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell Gatherer To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:23:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b86cf0b92lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 09 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS software > will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). So *that's* when your developer kit arrived!?! ...you can spill the beans now, David. Do all your apps run? What's it like? (www.iyonix.com) -- Kell Gatherer kell@locsource.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 17 14:09:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034859907:10:29776:95".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:09:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034859907:10:29776:95; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:05:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ah1124624; 17 Oct 2002 13:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 182AC7-0002v6-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:56:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9HCtQ323779 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:55:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9HCtPO23760 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:55:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 182ABP-000ML6-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:55:23 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:54:00 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b86cf0b92lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: <4b86cf0b92lists@locsource.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> I decided this afternoon that all future versions of my RISC OS software >> will be in 32 bit compatible form (only!). >Do all your apps run? >(www.iyonix.com) www.iyonix.com is the web site where Castle have announced their new 32 bit RISC OS computer (32 bit RISC OS 5, Unicode font manager, PCI graphics card, XScale processor, DDR memory, USB etc.) I don't have one, but a number of developers do. So I'd interpret this development as for real and that availability is imminent. It seems to be the solution to most of the problems post Acorn - a 32 bit platform and device independence so it can use a PC graphics accelerator system. Commenting is hard, I've not seen one in the flesh, those who actually have one can only comment on what it is like today. By which I mean anyone wanting to knock the development can probably find something to use, but such things are likely to be remedied soon. The development poses some interesting questions for ROSL and for MicroDigital, since it seems Castle now have possession of the operating system of choice. Will the Acorn market split? One part using RISC OS 5, the rest sticking with RISC OS 4. I'm busy converting all my stuff to be 32 bit compatible. However it comes as a shock to discover how many bits of software I've produced over the Acorn years. I keep finding modules here and there. However all the difficult stuff is done and proven to work (SparkFS). The rest should be straightforward. As with similar transitions e.g. Strong ARM, I'd expect 100% conversion within a couple of days of me getting a machine. There will be some fiddly bits, I still don't have the source for the RTF loader. The Impulse Applet depends on the CC Impulse module. I can see patching both at a binary level. Time will go by, the last Acorn, the RISC PC has lasted 8 years. Not everyone is going to go out and buy one of these machines tomorrow. You will get a printer that has a USB socket... But if RISC OS has a future as a desktop OS, iyonix is a big step in the right direction. If you're not getting at the moment, I hope I can convince you that the hassle of loading a new Shared C Library to run 32 bit compatible software is worthwhile. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 17 15:59:40 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034865694:20:22977:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:59:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034865694:20:22977:43; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:41:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2022403; 17 Oct 2002 14:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 182Bji-0005am-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:34:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9HEYPc00476 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:34:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9HEYPv00471 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:34:25 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 182BjE-00007p-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:34:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:15:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b86decb7fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <69pqvFJeaHp9Ewxq@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b86cf0b92lists@locsource.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.32) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 17 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Time will go by, the last Acorn, the RISC PC has lasted 8 years. Not > everyone is going to go out and buy one of these machines tomorrow. You > will get a printer that has a USB socket... > But if RISC OS has a future as a desktop OS, iyonix is a big step in the > right direction. Certainly I'd see the development as a vote for a future and a chance for software developers to again make something out of the market. If so then even those of us with an Iyonix have a better chance of seeing software maintained. There is no reason why the Iyonix pc shouldn't even promote sales of other RISC OS machines. Maybe I came into the RISC OS magazine market at the right time after all .. -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 17 19:39:40 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1034879661:10:15017:214".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:39:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1034879661:10:15017:214; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:34:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017417; 17 Oct 2002 18:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 182FSq-0000FR-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:33:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9HIXBH16663 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:33:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9HIXAr16658 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:33:11 +0100 Received: from RTV (userdn25.uk.uudial.com [62.188.4.144]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g9HIRhK14550 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:27:43 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:43:28 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS(1.38) Passwords Message-ID: <4B86896E7B%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4B84D2C1A5%mik.towse@xemik.com> <4B86737A97%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.60f POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article David Pilling wrote: > >but I dug it up after a lengthy search. I'd forgotten that only files > >added after setting the password are encrypted. > This seems to be massively counterintuitive. Time and again I've tried > to explain the point. I suppose it's the fact that even without the password some files are still 'retrievable'. [snip] I'd prefer the /file/ to be encrypted & not 'openable' without the correct password. -- If only our great thinkers could learn to talk, and our great talkers could learn to think! __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_- for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:58:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035118057:10:29892:60; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:47:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129199; 20 Oct 2002 12:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 183FUC-0002h2-00; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:47:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9KCkej20238 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:46:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9KCkda20233 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:46:39 +0100 Received: from modem-40.androstenedione.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.80.40] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 183FTa-0007t0-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:46:39 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:39:54 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: [softwarelist] No current file To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JPK, Bangor.Pager 07626-235878 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Suddenly copy & past has started generating the error "no current file". It works ok. I vagly remember somthing about this 7 mutiple clipboards. I have Ov 2.67 Clipbrds 1.12 -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, 21 Glantraeth, Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1HQ. "phone" 01248 - 353264 RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 22 17:36:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035304429:20:22059:83".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:36:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035304429:20:22059:83; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:33:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag2118401; 22 Oct 2002 16:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1841uI-0000RJ-00; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:29:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9MGSL409494 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:28:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9MGSLY09491 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:28:21 +0100 Received: from [62.188.105.17] (helo=62.188.105.17) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1841tC-0004am-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:28:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. D.M. Wells) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:08:29 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.34 for RISC OS 4.32 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro printing: Scans v Digital Photos Message-Id: 2452570.178291dwells@argonet.co.uk In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I think it is common experience (it's certainly mine) that with colour scans made and captured with image software such as DP's it is difficult to obtain a print that approximates the screen colours. To get a print from OPro with colours similar to those of the original it is necessary to modify the picture considerably: I often find setting gamma from the original 1 to about 0.65 gives a good result when printed (but not on screen!). I'm sure this is not news to most people who print from scans, but what I have found recently is that the problem is very much less, or even non-existent, when I print my digital photos from OPro: screen colours and print colours are close enough for no picture modification to be needed [sometimes the photo itself doesn't look quite right *on screen* , and can be improved -- I find Rob Davison's !Variation (freeware) excellent for this -- but this isn't the same thing: the print colours still follow any changes made on screen]. Has anyone else any experience of this behaviour of digital photos printed from OPro? My setup is RPC Kinetic with 17" LCD monitor (calibrated with Cerilica's !Monitor from their Publishing Pack), RISCOS 4.32 [now on Select, but I think the same was true with the original RISCOS 4.04]. Printer Canon BJC-7100 6-ink system set for photo quality: I usually use glossy photo paper (Canon or Epson) but even plain paper still gives reasonable results. Driver is Photodesk's Photoreal system in !Printers 1.64a. Scanner is Epson GT-7000 photo on SCSI card. The camera is Olympus 2040 2.1 Mpixel, set for 1600x1200 JPEG output [file size about 750Kb to 1Mb as EXIF-type JPEG, ca. 5.5Mb opened in DP's image software, 3.6Mb opened in !Paint (the latest version 2.40 accepts JPEG's directly -- and can export new drawings as sprites or JPEG's with CMYK colours)]. The files are downloaded from the camera's DigiFlash card to the RPC using Surftec's card reader and software. I drop my photos, either 'as is' or clipped in DP's image software, into an OPro template for sizing, and print. I've had good results from a 1600x1200 pixel JPEG even in a 10x7 inch frame on an A4 page. Any ideas why digital photos are so different from scans? So much so that I now often use the camera rather than the scanner to make quick good colour copies. Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 22 21:26:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035317823:20:08595:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:26:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035317823:20:08595:61; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:17:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115019; 22 Oct 2002 20:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1845SJ-0005Qq-00; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:16:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9MKG8913149 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:16:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.net [81.26.107.2]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9MKG7813145 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:16:07 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-31-63.webport.bt.net [213.1.31.63]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g9MKJBM09474 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:19:12 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:13:35 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro printing: Scans v Digital Photos Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 2452570.178291dwells@argonet.co.uk X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message 2452570.178291dwells@argonet.co.uk you wrote: > I think it is common experience (it's certainly mine) that with colour scans > made and captured with image software such as DP's it is difficult to obtain a > print that approximates the screen colours. To get a print from OPro with > colours similar to those of the original it is necessary to modify the picture > considerably: I often find setting gamma from the original 1 to about 0.65 > gives a good result when printed (but not on screen!). > > I'm sure this is not news to most people who print from scans, but what I have > found recently is that the problem is very much less, or even non-existent, > when I print my digital photos from OPro: screen colours and print colours are > close enough for no picture modification to be needed [sometimes the photo > itself doesn't look quite right *on screen* , and can be improved -- I find Rob > Davison's !Variation (freeware) excellent for this -- but this isn't the same > thing: the print colours still follow any changes made on screen]. > > [snip]> > > Any ideas why digital photos are so different from scans? So much so that I now > often use the camera rather than the scanner to make quick good colour copies. > > Denys Wells. I suspect part of the problem is that with conventional cameras the image is exposed to film (stage 1), the film is processed chemically (stage 2) to produce negatives, negatives are used to ceate prints (stage 3), and the prints are scanned to digitise them (stage 4). Assuming each stage degrades the image in some way it is not surprising that in some respects a digital camera produces better results. It is also likely that the digitising is matched to camera where a scanner is not matched to a photographic print (that's where you set your scanning papameters). Not a proven explanation, but plausible in explaining some of the differences. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 23 15:14:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035382192:10:26463:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:14:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035382192:10:26463:50; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:09:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026361; 23 Oct 2002 14:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 184M6F-0000BX-00; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:03:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9NE2Tv31725 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:02:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9NE2SL31722 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:02:29 +0100 Received: from [213.116.54.167] (helo=213.116.54.167) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 184M5b-0007mz-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:02:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ted Lacey) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:04:19 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.34 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro printing: Scans v Digital Photos Message-Id: 2452571.154191tedell@argonet.co.uk In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In the past I have used a conventional camera occasionally, usually on family get togethers. For some time now I have used Super Snaps to develop and print and at the same time put my photos on a CD in JPEG format. Using these with OvPro and my Canon S800 printer (Photoreal drivers) with photo paper, I have managed to produce some pretty good results. I now have a digital camera and I agree that the fine detail is much better, so ordinary camera is likely to get used less in future. Ted Lacey -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Lacey - ZFC LXXXI - RiscPC600 - StrongArmed tedell@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 24 16:48:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035404844:20:12322:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:48:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035404844:20:12322:40; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:27:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125645; 23 Oct 2002 20:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 184S5g-0007Wd-00; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:26:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9NKQRa08975 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:26:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9NKQQw08968 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:26:27 +0100 Received: from dunnfamily ([81.99.98.2]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021023202619.ISBJ459.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@dunnfamily> for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:26:19 +0100 From: "i.dunn2" To: "softwarelist" Subject: [softwarelist] filepath Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:23:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Ay up With Fireworkz I can , in the footer , for example save the filepath out into the document . Can I do this easily [ short of doing it manually as it were ] in Ov Pro please ? TIA Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 24 16:49:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035463437:10:15485:71".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:49:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035463437:10:15485:71; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:43:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112858; 24 Oct 2002 12:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 184hKG-0004Kr-00; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:43:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9OCg8619695 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:42:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk [132.185.240.17]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9OCg7w19691 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:42:07 +0100 Received: from w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk [10.48.8.92]) by gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g9OCkBR07934 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:46:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from w1bhxf01.radio.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi02.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:42:05 +0100 Received: by w1bhxf01.radio.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:42:05 +0100 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0225F343@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'softwarelist@davidpilling.net'" Subject: RE: [softwarelist] filepath Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:42:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >-----Original Message----- >i.dunn2 wrote filepath > >With Fireworkz I can , in the footer , for example save the filepath out >into the document . This is done using the very flexible mail merge facilities and is described in the hint page on the alternative resources site. I use it all the time. for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:28:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035483740:10:11041:51; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:22:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102336; 24 Oct 2002 18:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 184mbQ-0005uC-00; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:21:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9OIJO615925 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:19:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9OIJNm15922 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:19:23 +0100 Received: from dunnfamily ([81.99.98.2]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021024181913.EVLG1554.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@dunnfamily> for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:19:13 +0100 From: "i.dunn2" To: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] filepath Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:16:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C27B91.CB427600" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <6b.9e0573.2ae9752e@aol.com> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C27B91.CB427600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit brilliant thank you kindly one and all Ian -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net]On Behalf Of Tomhopley@aol.com Sent: 24 October 2002 17:09 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] filepath In a message dated 23/10/02 21:37:08 GMT Daylight Time, i.dunn2@ntlworld.com writes: With Fireworkz I can , in the footer , for example save the filepath out into the document . Can I do this easily [ short of doing it manually as it were ] in Ov Pro please ? When you've saved the file, Alt-drag the file's icon into the document. The full pathname is inserted at the cursor. Now re-save. HTH TomH ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C27B91.CB427600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
brilliant thank you kindly one and all
 
Ian
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From:=20 owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net=20 [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net]On Behalf Of=20 Tomhopley@aol.com
Sent: 24 October 2002 = 17:09
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Subject: Re: [softwarelist]=20 filepath

In a=20 message dated 23/10/02 21:37:08 GMT Daylight Time, = i.dunn2@ntlworld.com=20 writes:


With Fireworkz I can , in the footer , for example save = the=20 filepath out
into the document .

Can I do this easily [ = short of=20 doing it manually as it were ] in Ov Pro
please = ?

When=20 you've saved the file, Alt-drag the file's icon into the = document.
The full=20 pathname is inserted at the cursor.  Now = re-save.
HTH
TomH=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C27B91.CB427600-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 24 19:58:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035484814:20:26284:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:58:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035484814:20:26284:72; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:40:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025551; 24 Oct 2002 18:39 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 184kYb-0006Lx-00; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:10:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9OG9Ue29335 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:09:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9OG9TE29330 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:09:29 +0100 Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 3.6b.9e0573 (4592) for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:09:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <6b.9e0573.2ae9752e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:09:18 EDT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] filepath To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6b.9e0573.2ae9752e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10500 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist --part1_6b.9e0573.2ae9752e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 23/10/02 21:37:08 GMT Daylight Time, i.dunn2@ntlworld.com writes: > With Fireworkz I can , in the footer , for example save the filepath out > into the document . > > Can I do this easily [ short of doing it manually as it were ] in Ov Pro > please ? > When you've saved the file, Alt-drag the file's icon into the document. The full pathname is inserted at the cursor. Now re-save. HTH TomH --part1_6b.9e0573.2ae9752e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 23/10/02 21:37:08 GMT Daylight Time, i.dunn2@ntlworld.com writes:


With Fireworkz I can , in the footer , for example save the filepath out
into the document .

Can I do this easily [ short of doing it manually as it were ] in Ov Pro
please ?

When you've saved the file, Alt-drag the file's icon into the document.
The full pathname is inserted at the cursor.  Now re-save.
HTH
TomH --part1_6b.9e0573.2ae9752e_boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 03:03:06 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035510858:20:22895:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:03:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035510858:20:22895:49; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:54:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112521; 25 Oct 2002 1:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 184tfd-0006JR-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:53:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9P1qH124992 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:52:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9P1qGO24989 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:52:16 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021023210239.LBII27595.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:02:39 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:03:12 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] filepath To: softwarelist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Wed 23 Oct, i.dunn2 wrote: > Ay up > > With Fireworkz I can , in the footer , for example save the filepath out > into the document . > > Can I do this easily [ short of doing it manually as it were ] in Ov Pro > please ? > > TIA The easiest way is to hold the Alt key while dragging the file into the document - p31 chapter 3 in the manual on the CD. I searched the index for the word file and eventually came to the entry for Insert file/dir path Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 13:47:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035541693:20:09480:121".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:47:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035541693:20:09480:121; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:28:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010595; 25 Oct 2002 10:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1851g8-0002Au-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:26:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PAPTc05200 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:25:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PAPTj05194 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:25:29 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1851ei-0001y4-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:25:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:11:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] filepath Message-ID: <4b8ae717b3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <6b.9e0573.2ae9752e@aol.com> <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > Gentlemen, would you both care to make the effort to turn *off* the html > copy from the copies of Outlook you are using? > "Send text only" is the option you need as I recall. I'm only getting text here - could there be an option in the mailing list software that's either a) stripping HTML so I don't see it, or b) adding it in so you do? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 13:47:52 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035531817:10:12061:73".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:47:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035531817:10:12061:73; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:43:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012331; 25 Oct 2002 7:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 184z7c-0004DV-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:43:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9P7faY13093 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:41:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9P7fax13090 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:41:36 +0100 Received: from [213.116.58.101] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 184z5z-0003X2-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:41:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:28:15 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] filepath Message-ID: <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <6b.9e0573.2ae9752e@aol.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 24 Oct, i.dunn2 wrote: > brilliant thank you kindly one and all > Ian > -----Original Message----- > From: > [mailto:owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net]On Behalf Of Tomhopley@aol.com Gentlemen, would you both care to make the effort to turn *off* the html copy from the copies of Outlook you are using? "Send text only" is the option you need as I recall. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 15:37:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035556177:20:19342:119".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:37:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035556177:20:19342:119; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:29:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020396; 25 Oct 2002 14:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1855RR-000460-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:28:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PERTk14207 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:27:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from post-21.mail.nl.demon.net (post-21.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PERSI14201 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:27:29 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-21.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1855Qt-000OrO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:27:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:13:48 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: [softwarelist] filepath To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b8ae717b3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 Select [4.29] X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi Jeremy, On Fri 25 Oct, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > In article <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, > Steven Pampling wrote: > > > Gentlemen, would you both care to make the effort to turn *off* the html > > copy from the copies of Outlook you are using? > > > "Send text only" is the option you need as I recall. > > I'm only getting text here - could there be an option in the mailing list > software that's either a) stripping HTML so I don't see it, or b) adding > it in so you do? I certainly got both html atachments here. Just for the record. I don't want them, so I was glad Steven mentioned it! greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place The bag that breaks is the one with the eggs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 16:27:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035559281:20:11277:145".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:27:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035559281:20:11277:145; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:21:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id br2010759; 25 Oct 2002 15:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18567P-0003Vx-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:11:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PFBGC22877 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:11:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PFBGs22874 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:11:16 +0100 Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.255.44.6]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20021025151110.SBFN25615.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:11:10 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021025160248.00b95d68@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:04:09 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] filepath In-Reply-To: <4b8ae717b3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <6b.9e0573.2ae9752e@aol.com> <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 11:11 25.10.02 +0100, you wrote: >In article <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, > Steven Pampling wrote: > > > Gentlemen, would you both care to make the effort to turn *off* the html > > copy from the copies of Outlook you are using? > > > "Send text only" is the option you need as I recall. > >I'm only getting text here - could there be an option in the mailing list >software that's either a) stripping HTML so I don't see it, or b) adding >it in so you do? If I remember correctly, certainly in Outlook before I moved on to more secure software, you could configure the nature of your email to individual recipients? -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 18:27:40 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035566274:10:21907:192".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:27:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035566274:10:21907:192; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:17:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1105088; 25 Oct 2002 17:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1857qt-0008Jw-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:02:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PH11O16928 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:01:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PH11T16924 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:01:01 +0100 Received: from [62.188.110.19] (helo=62.188.110.19) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1857pP-00011y-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:00:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. D.M. Wells) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:56:58 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.34 for RISC OS 4.29 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro and RISCOS 4.32 Message-Id: 2452573.1738333dwells@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have recently found a major problem with the latest version of Select to be issued by ROL. The OPro facility to modify pictures, eg rotation, changing gamma, use of proxy or reference pictures, etc., fails completely in RO4.32. I can still load a large (say 1MB) JPEG into OPro (v2.67), but any attempt to do any of the above operations leads to an 'out of memory' error. Even trying to remove a small (29k) proxy picture leads to a blank frame instead of the full size image. Has anyone else tried OPro in 4.32 yet, and can anyone suggest what may be happening? (? It *may* be something to do with changes to accommodate the new version of !Paint, which handles JPEG's directly, and which will not work in earlier Select versions?). I've notified the Select list of the problem, and have meanwhile reverted to Select 4.29, in which OPro works fine. Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 19:27:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035570043:20:19832:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:27:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035570043:20:19832:60; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:20:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019415; 25 Oct 2002 18:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18593Q-0000VT-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:19:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PIIuS26125 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:18:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PIIuT26121 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:18:56 +0100 Received: from [62.64.152.122] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18592l-0000hi-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:18:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:03:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro and RISCOS 4.32 Message-ID: <4b8b124d33dfs@ukgateway.net> References: 2452573.1738333dwells@argonet.co.uk In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.32) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article 2452573.1738333dwells@argonet.co.uk, Mr. D.M. Wells wrote: > I have recently found a major problem with the latest version of Select > to be issued by ROL. The OPro facility to modify pictures, eg rotation, > changing gamma, use of proxy or reference pictures, etc., fails > completely in RO4.32. I can still load a large (say 1MB) JPEG into OPro > (v2.67), but any attempt to do any of the above operations leads to an > 'out of memory' error. Even trying to remove a small (29k) proxy picture > leads to a blank frame instead of the full size image. > Has anyone else tried OPro in 4.32 yet, and can anyone suggest what may > be happening? (? It *may* be something to do with changes to accommodate > the new version of !Paint, which handles JPEG's directly, and which will > not work in earlier Select versions?). > I've notified the Select list of the problem, and have meanwhile > reverted to Select 4.29, in which OPro works fine. Denys Wells. Interesting... Don't know the answer but it happens here as well Select RO 4.32. However, I've removed the 4.29 version of !Paint and replaced it with a past version, same error message pops up though. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 19:48:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035571376:20:00063:134".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:48:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035571376:20:00063:134; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:42:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2000259; 25 Oct 2002 18:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1859Oi-0003Q0-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:41:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PIfPB28490 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:41:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PIfOI28487 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:41:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1859OZ-0006U5-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:41:19 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:38:05 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro and RISCOS 4.32 References: <2452573.1738333dwells@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2452573.1738333dwells@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Has anyone else tried OPro in 4.32 yet, and can anyone suggest what may be >happening? (? It *may* be something to do with changes to accommodate the new >version of !Paint, which handles JPEG's directly, and which will not work in >earlier Select versions?). Perhaps a programmers view point, but *Paint* is unlikely to be anything to do with it. Now maybe they've changed the way JPEG's are handled under RISC OS. There seem to have been a lot of noises about improvements to the JPEG handling - coping with various types and so on. RISC OS can't rotate and render a JPEG, so OP renders it to a sprite in memory and then renders that rotated. It should be able to do this in strips if memory is short. ISTR a series of bugs where this didn't work as it should. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 20:18:02 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035573145:10:01881:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:18:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035573145:10:01881:50; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:12:25 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113691; 25 Oct 2002 19:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1859rX-00081E-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:11:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PJBAR31830 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:11:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PJBAY31826 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:11:10 +0100 Received: from [80.40.72.117] (helo=ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1859rN-000AAO-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:11:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:11:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b89df70bbdocmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 08 Oct, Liam Gretton wrote: > Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, David Pilling wrote: > > It's only my experience, but XP or NT usually runs for the day with no > > need to reboot. 98 tends to fall over once you do something complicated. > Quite. I have never been a fan of Windows, but XP is rock solid and fast > as far as I'm concerned. I've been using it for about six months and it > hasn't crashed *at all*. I wish I was so lucky. XP Home for me crashes with monotonous regularity, especially when using Internet Exploder. Last night I was on ordering three DVDs from play.com and the PC locked 3 times before I eventually completed the order! Don't know whether that's an Explorer problem or XP, but the last time I was preparing a Powerpoint presentation the machine locked up twice on me I've even installed surge/UPS to see if this cures it ... no joy (sigh) ... and before anyone asks ... Yes, it I did install it on a newly formatted HD, and didn't just overwrite Windows ME. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 21:07:46 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035576172:20:04845:113".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:07:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035576172:20:04845:113; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:02:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128600; 25 Oct 2002 20:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 185Af6-0003Bv-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:02:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PJwCL03696 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:58:12 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PJwBW03693 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:58:12 +0100 Received: from [62.188.172.183] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185Aav-0005Xy-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:58:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:52:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] filepath Message-ID: <4b8b1c5224steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8ae717b3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <6b.9e0573.2ae9752e@aol.com> <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8ae717b3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 25 Oct, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling > wrote: > > Gentlemen, would you both care to make the effort to turn *off* the > > html copy from the copies of Outlook you are using? > > "Send text only" is the option you need as I recall. > I'm only getting text here - could there be an option in the mailing > list software that's either a) stripping HTML so I don't see it, or b) > adding it in so you do? To the best of my knowledge there is no *legal* software that adds HTML to a mail item. Outlook of course fails by not being legal in net terms. It just seemed so much nicer for the people producing the HTML to turn it off than for me to kick in the spam filter and send their mail to digital hell. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 21:47:46 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035578271:10:20214:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:47:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035578271:10:20214:56; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:37:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020339; 25 Oct 2002 20:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185BDD-000533-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:37:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PKXr507261 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:33:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PKXqf07258 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:33:52 +0100 Received: from [62.188.172.239] (helo=62.188.172.239) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185B9R-0006TK-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:33:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:31:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro and RISCOS 4.32 Message-ID: <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: 2452573.1738333dwells@argonet.co.uk References: 2452573.1738333dwells@argonet.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.32) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article 2452573.1738333dwells@argonet.co.uk, Mr. D.M. Wells wrote: > I have recently found a major problem with the latest version of Select to be > issued by ROL. The OPro facility to modify pictures, eg rotation, changing > gamma, use of proxy or reference pictures, etc., fails completely in RO4.32. I > can still load a large (say 1MB) JPEG into OPro (v2.67), but any attempt to do > any of the above operations leads to an 'out of memory' error. Even trying to > remove a small (29k) proxy picture leads to a blank frame instead of the full > size image. > Has anyone else tried OPro in 4.32 yet, and can anyone suggest what may be > happening? (? It *may* be something to do with changes to accommodate the new > version of !Paint, which handles JPEG's directly, and which will not work in > earlier Select versions?). > I've notified the Select list of the problem, and have meanwhile reverted to > Select 4.29, in which OPro works fine. > Denys Wells. I upgraded today to 4.32, and I have tried all the above. The only similar behaviour which I have noticed is when modifying the gamma settings: immediately that I change the value, the document leaps to the top left hand corner of the screen, minimises itself to a title bar, and shows a blank frame where the picture was; if I click on the frame, the unmodified picture reappears. Very strange! Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 22:17:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035580111:20:07634:141".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:17:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035580111:20:07634:141; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:08:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2007859; 25 Oct 2002 21:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 185Bgg-0006SS-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:08:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PL7Y310255 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:07:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PL7X810252 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:07:33 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 185Bg4-0007lp-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:07:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:00:32 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] How to unpack gz To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b8ae717b3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Dear David, I hope you may be able to help me. I need to be able to unpack an archive in gz format. Using !Spark, I have no problems with tar/gz but I have no idea how to gain access to this file. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ________________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind M. Share M.A. roz@lupus-support.org.uk | | | | \__ \ / LUpus Patients Understanding & Support |_| \___/ |___/ / http://www.lupus-support.org.uk LuPUS MB: http://www.lupus-forums.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 22:27:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035581112:20:00223:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:27:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035581112:20:00223:47; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:25:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128860; 25 Oct 2002 21:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185BwN-0000HC-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:24:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PLOIu11786 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:24:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PLOHT11782 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:24:17 +0100 Received: from modem-1813.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.71.21] helo=jstp) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 185BwG-0004Es-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:24:16 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:20:33 GMT From: JayCee To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro and RISCOS 4.32 Message-ID: <4fdb298b4b.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.32) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article 2452573.1738333dwells@argonet.co.uk, > Mr. D.M. Wells wrote: > > I have recently found a major problem with the latest version of Select to be > > issued by ROL. The OPro facility to modify pictures, eg rotation, changing > > gamma, use of proxy or reference pictures, etc., fails completely in RO4.32. I > > can still load a large (say 1MB) JPEG into OPro (v2.67), but any attempt to do > > any of the above operations leads to an 'out of memory' error. Even trying to > > remove a small (29k) proxy picture leads to a blank frame instead of the full > > size image. > > > Has anyone else tried OPro in 4.32 yet, and can anyone suggest what may be > > happening? (? It *may* be something to do with changes to accommodate the new > > version of !Paint, which handles JPEG's directly, and which will not work in > > earlier Select versions?). > > > I've notified the Select list of the problem, and have meanwhile reverted to > > Select 4.29, in which OPro works fine. > > Denys Wells. > I upgraded today to 4.32, and I have tried all the above. The only similar > behaviour which I have noticed is when modifying the gamma settings: > immediately that I change the value, the document leaps to the top left > hand corner of the screen, minimises itself to a title bar, and shows a > blank frame where the picture was; if I click on the frame, the unmodified > picture reappears. Very strange! > > Steve Yandell > Thank God for that, I thought it was just me - mine does the same thing when I try to rotate a picture frame ie keeps telling me not enough memory even though there is oodles of it JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 23:07:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035583160:20:15170:123".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:07:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035583160:20:15170:123; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:59:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014812; 25 Oct 2002 21:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185CTZ-0002Dx-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:58:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PLwUr14507 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:58:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PLwUQ14504 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:58:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 185CTN-000Nys-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:58:29 +0100 Message-ID: <+Aj7AfPo4bu9EwKG@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:56:56 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro and RISCOS 4.32 References: <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I upgraded today to 4.32, and I have tried all the above. The only similar >behaviour which I have noticed is when modifying the gamma settings: >immediately that I change the value, the document leaps to the top left >hand corner of the screen, minimises itself to a title bar, and shows a >blank frame where the picture was; if I click on the frame, the unmodified Standard behaviour for OP when there is an error during redraw is to minimise the window. It's an attempt to stop you getting into a loop with continuous redraw errors - each click clearing an error window generating a redraw and another error window... No surprise here, except for the fact that JPEG's don't seem to be working. So what are we going to do? Blame it on ROL? That would be my favourite 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 23:07:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035583364:10:08693:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:07:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035583364:10:08693:46; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:02:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104849; 25 Oct 2002 22:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185CXO-0002VA-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:02:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PM2Vc15078 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:02:31 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PM2V615075 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:02:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 185CXG-0001wt-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:02:30 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:01:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] How to unpack gz References: <4b8ae717b3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I hope you may be able to help me. I need to be able to unpack an archive in >gz format. Using !Spark, I have no problems with tar/gz but I have no idea >how to gain access to this file. Well with !Spark you can't touch gz (aka GZip) files, it knows nothing about them. SparkFS on the other hand does. A gz is just a single compressed file (as far as we are concerned here), if you drag it to the SparkFS icon bar icon it will be uncompressed and the uncompressed version will silently appear on your hard disc. So I drag myflile/gz to the icon bar icon, and the file myfile appears. Best if the file has type data. Don't try settyping it to anything else. The not at all lamented 'shrinkwrap' program would let you access gzips directly (with no uncompressing), as long as they had the official Acorn file type for gzips. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 23:37:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035584876:20:22914:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:37:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035584876:20:22914:48; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:27:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117322; 25 Oct 2002 22:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 185CvQ-0000tv-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:27:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PMQga16799 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:26:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PMQfx16796 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:26:41 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 185Cud-0007CZ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:26:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:15:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] filepath Message-ID: <4b8b295f5dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8b1c5224steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <6b.9e0573.2ae9752e@aol.com> <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8ae717b3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b8b1c5224steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b8b1c5224steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > To the best of my knowledge there is no *legal* software that adds HTML > to a mail item. Outlook of course fails by not being legal in net terms. > It just seemed so much nicer for the people producing the HTML to turn > it off than for me to kick in the spam filter and send their mail to > digital hell. Yes, but I'm wondering why I didn't see the html... or maybe I did and the whole message got deleted by a filter and I haven't actually realised that? Some maillist systems (like yahoo) can be set up so that mails sent out by them are sent in html or text according to the user's preferences. I can't remember which one, but one of them asks in th epreferences section "does your system understand html" - and if you say Yes, that's what you get. To my mind the question should be "do you want html mails". -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 25 23:58:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035586168:10:02175:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:58:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035586168:10:02175:46; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:49:28 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112998; 25 Oct 2002 22:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185DGK-0005uS-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:49:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9PMmrg18257 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:48:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PMmrk18254 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:48:53 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id g9PMmtG3025938 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:48:56 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:43:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: filepath Message-ID: <4b8b2bf691ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b8b295f5dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <6b.9e0573.2ae9752e@aol.com> <4b8aa13b91steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8ae717b3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b8b1c5224steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8b295f5dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b8b295f5dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > Some maillist systems (like yahoo) can be set up so that mails sent out > by them are sent in html or text according to the user's preferences. > I can't remember which one, but one of them asks in th epreferences > section "does your system understand html" - and if you say Yes, that's > what you get. To my mind the question should be "do you want html > mails". Yahoo groups set HTML by default, so if you don't change the email options you will get everything converted to HTML. If you look in the My Groups window in Yahoo, down the right hand column it does tell you how the messages from that group are configured. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 26 13:36:42 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035630034:20:15769:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:36:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035630034:20:15769:46; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:00:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015194; 26 Oct 2002 10:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 185OfN-0006yb-00; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:59:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9QAx0S30397 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:59:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QAwxs30389 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:58:59 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([80.7.2.123]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021026105859.GYMO9836.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:58:59 +0100 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:56:52 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and RISCOS 4.32 Message-ID: References: <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> <4fdb298b4b.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <4b8b657766sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4b8b657766sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.32) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b8b657766sbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > JayCee wrote: > > In message <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > [snip] > > > > I upgraded today to 4.32, and I have tried all the above. The only > > > similar behaviour which I have noticed is when modifying the gamma > > > settings: immediately that I change the value, the document leaps > > > to the top left hand corner of the screen, minimises itself to a > > > title bar, and shows a blank frame where the picture was; if I > > > click on the frame, the unmodified picture reappears. Very strange! > > [snip] > > > Thank God for that, I thought it was just me - mine does the same > > thing when I try to rotate a picture frame ie keeps telling me not > > enough memory even though there is oodles of it > > Weird. I get neither the error message nor the "minimising OPro window > effect". But indeed, rotating and changing gamma value doesn't work as > expected anymore: The picture gets crippled with parts missing or > strange artifacts around it. > > -- > Stefan Bellon * * > PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page I get the same as the first two posters, only with jpegs though, sprites behave as normal. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 26 13:36:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035620295:10:05911:103".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:36:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035620295:10:05911:103; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:18:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005870; 26 Oct 2002 8:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 185M8s-00024K-00; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:17:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9Q8DqY16337 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:13:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9Q8Dqd16333 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:13:52 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 185M4t-0001Uv-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:13:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:13:39 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro and RISCOS 4.32 Message-ID: <4128608b4b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> <+Aj7AfPo4bu9EwKG@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+Aj7AfPo4bu9EwKG@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 25 Oct 2002, in message <+Aj7AfPo4bu9EwKG@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I upgraded today to 4.32, and I have tried all the above. The only similar > >behaviour which I have noticed is when modifying the gamma settings: > >immediately that I change the value, the document leaps to the top left > >hand corner of the screen, minimises itself to a title bar, and shows a > >blank frame where the picture was; if I click on the frame, the unmodified > > Standard behaviour for OP when there is an error during redraw is to > minimise the window. It's an attempt to stop you getting into a loop > with continuous redraw errors - each click clearing an error window > generating a redraw and another error window... > > No surprise here, except for the fact that JPEG's don't seem to be > working. > > So what are we going to do? Blame it on ROL? > > That would be my favourite 8-) > > I don't think they're any longer anyone's favorite :-( But, as someone else has recently discovered, 4.32 inforcrs the entry condition for SWI JPEG_Info, and now insists that R0 bit 0 must be set to return simage dimensions; although documented this wasn't previously the case. Could it be that you too have fallen foul of this change? -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 26 13:36:44 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035623499:10:01155:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:36:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035623499:10:01155:65; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:11:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001750; 26 Oct 2002 9:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 185Myc-0003hz-00; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:11:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9Q9BJ221072 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:11:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from roma.localnet (pD9007382.dip.t-dialin.net [217.0.115.130]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9Q9BIa21068 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:11:18 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.104] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 185MyS-0007TP-00 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:11:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:11:39 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and RISCOS 4.32 Message-ID: <4b8b657766sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4fdb298b4b.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> <4fdb298b4b.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.32) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist JayCee wrote: > In message <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > > I upgraded today to 4.32, and I have tried all the above. The only > > similar behaviour which I have noticed is when modifying the gamma > > settings: immediately that I change the value, the document leaps > > to the top left hand corner of the screen, minimises itself to a > > title bar, and shows a blank frame where the picture was; if I > > click on the frame, the unmodified picture reappears. Very strange! [snip] > Thank God for that, I thought it was just me - mine does the same > thing when I try to rotate a picture frame ie keeps telling me not > enough memory even though there is oodles of it Weird. I get neither the error message nor the "minimising OPro window effect". But indeed, rotating and changing gamma value doesn't work as expected anymore: The picture gets crippled with parts missing or strange artifacts around it. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page VirusScan Message: Windows 95 found: Remove it? (Y/n) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 26 13:46:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035635904:10:11961:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:46:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035635904:10:11961:68; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:38:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011523; 26 Oct 2002 12:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 185QC1-0001Y4-00; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:37:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9QCaZl06734 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:36:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QCaZR06730 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:36:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 185QB8-0000Vv-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:36:34 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 03:23:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <4b89df70bbdocmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b89df70bbdocmart@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I wish I was so lucky. XP Home for me crashes with monotonous regularity, >especially when using Internet Exploder. Last night I was on ordering Presumably you'd use the task manager to find which program had hung and to terminate it? I would not write in praise of the stability of Internet Explorer. It often crashes at exactly the same point on my banks web site. But what is good is that after IE has exploded XP is not damaged and keeps on running. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 26 13:56:36 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035636940:10:29999:74".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:56:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035636940:10:29999:74; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:55:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1000031; 26 Oct 2002 12:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 185QTM-0002Sx-00; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:55:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9QCtHm08106 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:55:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QCtGT08103 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:55:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 185QTE-0001LX-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:55:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:53:53 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro and RISCOS 4.32 References: <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> <+Aj7AfPo4bu9EwKG@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4128608b4b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4128608b4b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >But, as someone else has recently discovered, 4.32 inforcrs the entry >condition for SWI JPEG_Info, and now insists that R0 bit 0 must be set to >return simage dimensions; although documented this wasn't previously the >case. Could it be that you too have fallen foul of this change? That seems to be the case. My error. It looks like I'm not setting bit 0 and I should be. Thanks you've saved me a lot of time. As to what to do... it would be good if I could email a fixed version to someone with the problem for testing. Volunteer to my private email address. It's no big deal to release a new version of OP with this fixed. However the plan was for the next version to be the 32 bit one and - how sweet - the 32 bit one is going to cause most pain for Select users. Maybe it would be easier to find the single word in OP which needs a 1 poking into it and letting you do that on 2.67. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 16:41:05 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035652633:20:13646:75".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:41:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035652633:20:13646:75; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:17:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2013934; 26 Oct 2002 17:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 185UYP-00077H-00; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:16:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9QHG3p31574 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:16:03 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mail.tele2.co.uk (dellboy.tele2.co.uk [212.19.64.20]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QHG2d31571 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:16:03 +0100 Received: from djg (wireless-073-013.tele2.co.uk [212.19.73.13]) by mail.tele2.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F0F9C0DD for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:12:09 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3DBACD7A.000016.21381@djg.djg.tele2.net.uk> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:14:34 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1750710) From: "Dennis Golding" References: <4b89df70bbdocmart@ukgateway.net> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 2.0 X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id g9QHG3d31572 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Have you run the XP/Win2000 hardware compatibility check in case any of your devices need new drivers or need to be replaced. DG -------Original Message------- From: Date: 25 October 2002 20:14:40 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version On 08 Oct, Liam Gretton wrote: > Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, David Pilling wrote: > > It's only my experience, but XP or NT usually runs for the day with no > > need to reboot. 98 tends to fall over once you do something complicated. > Quite. I have never been a fan of Windows, but XP is rock solid and fast > as far as I'm concerned. I've been using it for about six months and it > hasn't crashed *at all*. I wish I was so lucky. XP Home for me crashes with monotonous regularity, especially when using Internet Exploder. Last night I was on ordering three DVDs from play.com and the PC locked 3 times before I eventually completed the order! Don't know whether that's an Explorer problem or XP, but the last time I was preparing a Powerpoint presentation the machine locked up twice on me I've even installed surge/UPS to see if this cures it ... no joy (sigh) ... and before anyone asks ... Yes, it I did install it on a newly formatted HD, and didn't just overwrite Windows ME. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 16:41:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035657190:20:06415:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:41:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035657190:20:06415:53; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:33:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118884; 26 Oct 2002 18:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185Vjo-0002G9-00; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:32:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9QIVv313740 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:31:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QIVuM13736 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:31:56 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 185Vj1-0000iB-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:31:56 +0100 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:31:44 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] How to unpack gz To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Dear David, [snip] > > SparkFS on the other hand does. A gz is just a single compressed file > (as far as we are concerned here), if you drag it to the SparkFS icon > bar icon it will be uncompressed and the uncompressed version will > silently appear on your hard disc. Apologies, I did mean SparkFS and I am using 1.38. I downloaded a file called cleanup/php/gz which appeared as a text file and changed it to a data file. I then dropped it onto SparkFS but nothing happened. It is a small file: 670 bytes containing a php script! > So I drag myflile/gz to the icon bar icon, and the file myfile appears. I regret that this did not happen but I do not understand why this does not work as I do not have any trouble with anything other than gz files. > Best if the file has type data. Don't try settyping it to anything else. I did this! > The not at all lamented 'shrinkwrap' program would let you access gzips > directly (with no uncompressing), as long as they had the official Acorn > file type for gzips. I do not know how to go about this either. I am sorry for appearing to be so inept. I would be grateful for any further help. Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ________________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind M. Share M.A. roz@lupus-support.org.uk | | | | \__ \ / LUpus Patients Understanding & Support |_| \___/ |___/ / http://www.lupus-support.org.uk LuPUS MB: http://www.lupus-forums.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 16:41:12 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035666542:20:13841:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:41:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035666542:20:13841:65; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:09:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125517; 26 Oct 2002 21:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185YAU-0002iP-00; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 22:08:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9QL7i127226 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 22:07:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QL7hA27223 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 22:07:43 +0100 Received: from [62.188.142.236] (helo=62.188.142.236) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185Y9k-0000FX-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 22:07:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David H Wild To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:15:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] How to unpack gz Message-ID: <4b8b9cb70bdhwild@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Rosalind M. Share wrote: > Apologies, I did mean SparkFS and I am using 1.38. I downloaded a file > called cleanup/php/gz which appeared as a text file and changed it to a > data file. I then dropped it onto SparkFS but nothing happened. It is a > small file: 670 bytes containing a php script! This file has a double extension php and gz. Are you sure that it isn't one of the files generated by a virus? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Acorn StrongArm Risc_PC | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dhwild@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 16:41:19 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035735930:20:03283:189".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:41:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035735930:20:03283:189; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:25:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2119781; 27 Oct 2002 16:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185qCJ-0005aw-00; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:23:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9RGMxF13640 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:22:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9RGMxb13635 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:22:59 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021027162258.QZR9836.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:22:58 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:23:26 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Transloaders !Server To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I was having trouble loading an RTF file into Opro (2.67) and remembered the !Server problem. When I checked I found that nearly all the transloaders had the old (21 Jan 1997) !Server instead of the newer (05 August 1999) one. Replacing with the newer one and the RTF file loaded fine. The one exception is !TransImp which has an even newer version (14 February 2001). Is this the same file as in the other transloaders? Can it be copied in over the Aug 1999 one with any benefit? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 16:41:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035767895:20:27296:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:41:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035767895:20:27296:43; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:18:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026994; 28 Oct 2002 1:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185yXH-0006q3-00; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:17:43 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9S1HD601310 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:17:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9S1HCr01306 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:17:12 GMT Received: from dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net ([62.255.44.2]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with ESMTP id <20021028011318.HDZW25615.kx1-gui@dan-q2amtw6l9qb.which.net> for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:13:18 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021027012447.00ba7c38@mail.which.net> X-Sender: waddell@mail.which.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:25:49 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John Waddell Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version In-Reply-To: <4b89df70bbdocmart@ukgateway.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 11:11 23.10.02 +0100, you wrote: >I wish I was so lucky. XP Home for me crashes with monotonous regularity, >especially when using Internet Exploder. Last night I was on ordering >three DVDs from play.com and the PC locked 3 times before I eventually >completed the order! > >Don't know whether that's an Explorer problem or XP, but the last time I >was preparing a Powerpoint presentation the machine locked up twice on me > >I've even installed surge/UPS to see if this cures it ... no joy (sigh) Could you be running out of memory, I experience strange behaviour when pushing memory to the limits. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 16:41:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035791179:20:22324:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:41:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035791179:20:22324:46; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:46:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108488; 28 Oct 2002 7:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1864b6-0006XX-00; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:46:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9S7jYr20019 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:45:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9S7jXa20016 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:45:34 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([80.6.101.114]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021028074533.CCOU459.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:45:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:47:35 GMT From: Pete Bready To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro and RISCOS 4.32 Message-ID: References: <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> <+Aj7AfPo4bu9EwKG@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4128608b4b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > > It's no big deal to release a new version of OP with this fixed. However > the plan was for the next version to be the 32 bit one and - how sweet - > the 32 bit one is going to cause most pain for Select users. > > Miaow - do I detect some friction here... :-) Anyway, as one of the many who were deluded into joining the RISC OS Foundation and Select scheme in its first year in the possibly mistaken belief that I might be helping sustain the RISC OS market, I have the first CD release of Select on my RiscPC. Will your 32 bit release of Opro come suitably equipped with the necessary 'fix' for the Shared C Library (IIRC) to allow it to function correctly on Select machines? PS I haven't renewed my subscription to either of the above as I felt I got little value for the non-insignificant amount of cash outlay - and I could also get beaten-up less and more enjoyably elsewhere than on their mailing list ;-) -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 16:41:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035658589:10:01627:160".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:41:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035658589:10:01627:160; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:56:29 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113660; 26 Oct 2002 18:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185W68-0004iW-00; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:55:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9QItio15927 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:55:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QIti715924 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:55:44 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id g9QItlG3000700 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:55:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:52:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: How to unpack gz Message-ID: <4b8b9aa06cray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Rosalind M. Share wrote: > > So I drag myflile/gz to the icon bar icon, and the file myfile > > appears. > I regret that this did not happen but I do not understand why this does > not work as I do not have any trouble with anything other than gz > files. It may be that you need a particular module loaded in SparkFS. Have a look in Choices and try turning on some of the other modules to see if it works. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 16:41:58 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035703731:10:27056:138".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:41:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035703731:10:27056:138; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:28:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1000618; 27 Oct 2002 7:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185hov-00045Z-00; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:26:49 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9R7QLT31030 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:26:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from aether.demon.co.uk (aether.demon.co.uk [158.152.186.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9R7QKg31020 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:26:20 GMT Received: from medusa.therealm ([192.168.0.2] helo=aether.demon.co.uk) by aether.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185hoc-0005Br-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:26:30 +0000 Received: from matthew by aether.demon.co.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.54beta4) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 27 Oct 2002 07:26:29 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:26:28 GMT From: Matthew Hambley To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] How to unpack gz Message-ID: <3facdf8b4b.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> References: <4b8b9cb70bdhwild@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8b9cb70bdhwild@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.54beta4) (RISC-OS/4.32) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Feb 2002) [TEST 9], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b8b9cb70bdhwild@argonet.co.uk> David H Wild wrote: > In article , > Rosalind M. Share wrote: > > Apologies, I did mean SparkFS and I am using 1.38. I downloaded a file > > called cleanup/php/gz which appeared as a text file and changed it to a > > data file. I then dropped it onto SparkFS but nothing happened. It is a > > small file: 670 bytes containing a php script! > > This file has a double extension php and gz. Are you sure that it isn't > one of the files generated by a virus? Multiple extensions are common in the Unix world. They are often used to preserve the type of the original file when it is munged, as is the case with gzip. I often use this technique when I want to preserve a copy of a file before processing it in some way. e.g. foo.bar becomes foo.bar.backup -- (\/)atthew )-(ambley ---------------\ If something's worth doing it's worth E-mail : matthew@aether.demon.co.uk \ doing badly until you can learn to Public key : C487AC52 \ do it well. Web : http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/ \----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 16:41:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035736531:10:29195:73".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:41:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035736531:10:29195:73; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:35:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101620; 27 Oct 2002 16:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 185qNm-0006V2-00; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:35:22 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9RGZGn14741 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:35:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9RGZGs14738 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:35:16 GMT Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021027163512.RYMJ292.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:35:12 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:35:41 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro and RISCOS 4.32 To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 26 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >But, as someone else has recently discovered, 4.32 inforcrs the entry > >condition for SWI JPEG_Info, and now insists that R0 bit 0 must be set to > >return simage dimensions; although documented this wasn't previously the > >case. Could it be that you too have fallen foul of this change? > > That seems to be the case. My error. It looks like I'm not setting bit 0 > and I should be. > > Thanks you've saved me a lot of time. > > As to what to do... it would be good if I could email a fixed version to > someone with the problem for testing. Volunteer to my private email > address. > > It's no big deal to release a new version of OP with this fixed. However > the plan was for the next version to be the 32 bit one and - how sweet - > the 32 bit one is going to cause most pain for Select users. > > Maybe it would be easier to find the single word in OP which needs a 1 > poking into it and letting you do that on 2.67. Perhaps a patch which would make the change and modify the version number in a minor way just to indicate that the patch has been applied (perhaps 2.67a or 2.68 if you are jumping a bigger increment to the 32 bit version)? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 16:42:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035747113:10:00750:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:42:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035747113:10:00750:40; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:31:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103508; 27 Oct 2002 19:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 185t8K-00022k-00; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:31:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9RJS7L01939 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:28:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9RJS6701926 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:28:06 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with SMTP id g9RJS9G3017288 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:28:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:25:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro and RISCOS 4.32 Message-ID: <4b8c218bd8ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > > Maybe it would be easier to find the single word in OP which needs a > > 1 poking into it and letting you do that on 2.67. > Perhaps a patch which would make the change and modify the version > number in a minor way just to indicate that the patch has been applied > (perhaps 2.67a or 2.68 if you are jumping a bigger increment to the 32 > bit version)? Be careful if using !Patch because, if my memory serves me right, RISC OS 4.02 has one that doesn't work. The Unsqueeze module inside it gives an error. I can't remember if RISC OS Ltd ever got round to fixing it because I fixed mine manually. It's version 1.25. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 16:42:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035831366:10:17228:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:42:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035831366:10:17228:49; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:56:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016669; 28 Oct 2002 18:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 186F2q-0000JV-00; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:55:24 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9SIst829927 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:54:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9SIstc29924 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:54:55 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 186F2L-0000gz-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:54:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:53:35 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] How to unpack gz To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <3facdf8b4b.matthew@aether.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Sun 27 Oct, Matthew Hambley wrote: [snip] > > This file has a double extension php and gz. Are you sure that it isn't > > one of the files generated by a virus? No. It is direct from the Gallery (an application in PHP to show pictures) website. It is a fix since this Gallery application seems to have re-set ownership/permissions within the albums directory on the unix server. It is a short PHP file called "cleanup" which has been compressed (gz). When I drop it onto the SparkFS nothing happens. Inside the file, which is garbled, I can still read "cleanup.php" which is towards the beginning. As I said, it is a very small php script file: 670 bytes. > Multiple extensions are common in the Unix world. They are often used to > preserve the type of the original file when it is munged, as is the case > with gzip. I often use this technique when I want to preserve a copy of a > file before processing it in some way. e.g. foo.bar becomes foo.bar.backup Any idea as to how I can read this file? More importantly, any idea how I can delete a folder called .users/ containing files. I am unable to change permissions, unable to delete, unable to write to - in fact, unable to do anything whatsoever. It is as if I am no longer the owner! Despite the testimonials, I am unable to get this package to work using RiscOS browsers to upload files properly and I am not impressed that it has written in my albums folder, .users/ containing files which I am unable to delete. The problem is *not* hidden files as I have "unhidden" them using my ftp programme and the .htaccess file is seen. All modules are on except the Mac. Any help/advice will be gratefully received! I am, naturally, posting to the writers of Gallery! Thanking you in advance. Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ________________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind M. Share M.A. roz@lupus-support.org.uk | | | | \__ \ / LUpus Patients Understanding & Support |_| \___/ |___/ / http://www.lupus-support.org.uk LuPUS MB: http://www.lupus-forums.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 18:20:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035915595:10:24713:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:20:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035915595:10:24713:50; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:19:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024241; 29 Oct 2002 18:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 186ax7-0003oY-00; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:18:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9TIIZ105369 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:18:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TIIZj05364 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:18:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 186awi-0000Tl-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:18:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:17:32 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] How to unpack gz References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Apologies, I did mean SparkFS and I am using 1.38. I downloaded a file called >cleanup/php/gz which appeared as a text file and changed it to a data file. I >then dropped it onto SparkFS but nothing happened. It is a small file: 670 >bytes containing a php script! My feeling is that a new file will have silently appeared in the same directory as cleaup/php/gz and you've just not noticed. Plan B, is to hold down Shift and drag the file to the SparkFS icon bar icon, this should (I am guessing ("hey did you write this or not")) open a window which will let you explicitly ungzip it and enter the destination file name. As others said, the Zip module needs to be loaded. That module provides a *command for ungzipping (f12, help zip etc. etc.). Final point is you may just have a corrupt file. Tell me the URL where you got the file from and I'll check it out. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 21:10:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035925299:20:03183:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:10:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035925299:20:03183:46; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:01:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002866; 29 Oct 2002 21:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 186dU0-0006SN-00; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:01:04 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9TL0US27749 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:00:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TL0TP27744 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:00:29 GMT Received: from [80.40.75.148] (helo=ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 186dVu-0003gI-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:03:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:31:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8d2f2d1adocmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4b89df70bbdocmart@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 26 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > >I wish I was so lucky. XP Home for me crashes with monotonous regularity, > >especially when using Internet Exploder. Last night I was on ordering > Presumably you'd use the task manager to find which program had hung and > to terminate it? > I would not write in praise of the stability of Internet Explorer. It > often crashes at exactly the same point on my banks web site. > But what is good is that after IE has exploded XP is not damaged and > keeps on running. What usually happens is that when I try using the Task Manager the PC goes into a loop and eventually the only way out is to reset it (sigh) At least XP only crashes half as often as ME did. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 21:10:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035925299:20:03181:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:10:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035925299:20:03181:44; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:01:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121182; 29 Oct 2002 21:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 186dTu-0001OS-00; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:00:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9TL0U527751 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:00:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TL0U127747 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:00:30 GMT Received: from [80.40.75.148] (helo=ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 186dVx-0003gI-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:03:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:37:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021027012447.00ba7c38@mail.which.net> References: <4b89df70bbdocmart@ukgateway.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20021027012447.00ba7c38@mail.which.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 27 Oct, John Waddell wrote: > Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > At 11:11 23.10.02 +0100, you wrote: > >I wish I was so lucky. XP Home for me crashes with monotonous regularity, > >especially when using Internet Exploder. Last night I was on ordering > >three DVDs from play.com and the PC locked 3 times before I eventually > >completed the order! > > > >Don't know whether that's an Explorer problem or XP, but the last time I > >was preparing a Powerpoint presentation the machine locked up twice on me > > > >I've even installed surge/UPS to see if this cures it ... no joy (sigh) > Could you be running out of memory, I experience strange behaviour when > pushing memory to the limits. 512 MB memory, only programs running in background usually is Norton Virus 2002. I've even tried quitting everthing possible, and still it crashes. Could just be my individual PC, I suppose. After all, my 100MB internal ZIP drive has always had problems with hanging when formatting discs, and that's been going on ever since I bought it. Luckily enough my need to use ZIP discs has all but disappeared now. Probably going to change the damned thing for something a lot faster soon, as I am thinking of getting a capture card and moving all our SVHS home videos across to DVD. Back on topic, I'll almost certainly have a Windows copy of OPro when it appears. 8-) Cheers. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 21:10:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035925300:20:03219:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:10:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035925300:20:03219:50; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:01:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121933; 29 Oct 2002 21:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 186dTu-0001OR-00; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:00:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9TL0Ss27740 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:00:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TL0Sx27737 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:00:28 GMT Received: from [80.40.75.148] (helo=ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 186dVv-0003gI-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:03:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:32:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8d2f4fd8docmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <3DBACD7A.000016.21381@djg.djg.tele2.net.uk> References: <4b89df70bbdocmart@ukgateway.net> <3DBACD7A.000016.21381@djg.djg.tele2.net.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 26 Oct, Dennis Golding wrote: > Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Have you run the XP/Win2000 hardware compatibility check in case any of your > devices need new drivers or need to be replaced. Yup. John > DG > -------Original Message------- > From: > Date: 25 October 2002 20:14:40 > To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version > On 08 Oct, Liam Gretton wrote: > > Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, David Pilling wrote: > > > It's only my experience, but XP or NT usually runs for the day with no > > > need to reboot. 98 tends to fall over once you do something complicated. > > Quite. I have never been a fan of Windows, but XP is rock solid and fast > > as far as I'm concerned. I've been using it for about six months and it > > hasn't crashed *at all*. > I wish I was so lucky. XP Home for me crashes with monotonous regularity, > especially when using Internet Exploder. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 21:30:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035926661:20:27655:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:30:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035926661:20:27655:42; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:24:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113546; 29 Oct 2002 21:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 186dpo-0007J0-00; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:23:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9TLNZN30766 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:23:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (mailsend.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TLNZ630763 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:23:35 GMT Received: from mail.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 186dpk-0005mT-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:23:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 8973 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 21:23:55 -0000 Received: from dms1.xra.le.ac.uk (HELO dms1) (143.210.40.191) by mail.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 21:23:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:23:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton X-X-Sender: ljg@dms1 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version In-Reply-To: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Martin wrote: > > Could you be running out of memory, I experience strange behaviour when > > pushing memory to the limits. > > 512 MB memory, only programs running in background usually is Norton Virus > 2002. I've even tried quitting everthing possible, and still it crashes. I recently had some instability problems with XP when I foolishly decided to have a go at overclocking the CPU. Under those circumstances, I found it could lock up randomly or suddenly reset (I've got BSOD switched off). There's not much you can expect of an OS if the underlying hardware is playing up, so it could be worth checking out your machine just in case something is working marginally. I'm really not a MS apologist, but I hated Windows until XP, now I find it really rather good (and I use Linux, RISC OS all day, and we have a new iMac at home too, so I know all about the competition). > Probably going to change the damned thing for something a lot faster soon, > as I am thinking of getting a capture card and moving all our SVHS home > videos across to DVD. Heh :-) That's what I use my machine for whenever I find the time. Get yourself some BIG discs and the most powerful CPU you can afford ;-) > Back on topic, I'll almost certainly have a Windows copy of OPro when it > appears. 8-) Same here! -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 23:00:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035931840:10:04412:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:00:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035931840:10:04412:48; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:50:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116124; 29 Oct 2002 22:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 186fB1-0004OJ-00; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:49:35 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9TMn3507947 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:49:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TMn3K07944 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:49:03 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 186fAS-0001Uo-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:49:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:47:51 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro and RISCOS 4.32 References: <4b8b1fd5f4steyan@argonet.co.uk> <+Aj7AfPo4bu9EwKG@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4128608b4b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> It's no big deal to release a new version of OP with this fixed. However >> the plan was for the next version to be the 32 bit one and - how sweet - >> the 32 bit one is going to cause most pain for Select users. >Miaow - do I detect some friction here... :-) I didn't mean it that way. I meant "sods law", the maximisation of difficulty in any enterprise. I take an even handed approach to other companies in the RISC OS world. Meanwhile The patch at http://davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op267a.zip Will patch 2.67 to fix the JPEG problem. It will only patch 2.67, the version number displayed won't change. As promised only a single byte changes. I've done this using Freshen because I assume you'd rather download 100K than 1MB. I'll probably now change the 2.67 upgrade to automatically include this change. >CD release of Select on my RiscPC. Will your 32 bit release of Opro come >suitably equipped with the necessary 'fix' for the Shared C Library (IIRC) >to allow it to function correctly on Select machines? I'm not sure. Personally I wish Castle would put the 32 bit system and Select patches on their web site. Saving duplication, such duplicates will end up out of date. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 29 23:10:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035932535:10:24135:138".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:10:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035932535:10:24135:138; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:02:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024113; 29 Oct 2002 23:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 186fMy-0004mz-00; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:01:56 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9TN1lP09207 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:01:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TN1lh09203 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:01:47 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 186fMm-00035L-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:01:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:00:35 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] How to unpack gz References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Plan B, is to hold down Shift and drag the file to the SparkFS icon bar >icon, this should (I am guessing ("hey did you write this or not")) >open a window which will let you explicitly ungzip it and enter the >destination file name. This does work... However it appears that the problems are due to the file being corrupted. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 30 00:10:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035936333:20:23118:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:10:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035936333:20:23118:63; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:05:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113956; 30 Oct 2002 0:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 186gLx-00016j-00; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:04:57 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9U04VB21620 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:04:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9U04U321611 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:04:30 GMT Received: from [62.188.154.212] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 186gLQ-0000nJ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:04:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:00:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8d4251d1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 29 Oct, Liam Gretton wrote: > I'm really not a MS apologist, but I hated Windows until XP, now I find > it really rather good (and I use Linux, RISC OS all day, and we have a > new iMac at home too, so I know all about the competition). 50 people in our department now, all dislike XP. The Unix systems manager dislikes all MS Windows stuff, but then I cheered him up the other day by describing the new interface box running Red Hat 7.x as being "Unix with pictures and more stable than MS" -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 30 00:20:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1035936855:10:12171:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:20:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1035936855:10:12171:40; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:14:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011403; 30 Oct 2002 0:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 186gU1-00017u-00; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:13:17 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9U0DHN24206 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:13:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (ntp2b.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9U0DG624202 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:13:16 GMT Received: from mail.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 186gTx-0006ZD-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:13:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 14795 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 00:13:35 -0000 Received: from dms1.xra.le.ac.uk (HELO dms1) (143.210.40.191) by mail.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 00:13:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:13:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton X-X-Sender: ljg@dms1 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version In-Reply-To: <4b8d4251d1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 29 Oct, Liam Gretton wrote: > > I'm really not a MS apologist, but I hated Windows until XP, now I find > > it really rather good > > 50 people in our department now, all dislike XP. > The Unix systems manager dislikes all MS Windows stuff [...] Well, I'm fortunate in that I run the Linux systems and only need to use Windows at home. I'm the only person in my dept without a Windows box on my desk :-) -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 30 22:13:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036015477:20:07326:143".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:13:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036015477:20:07326:143; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:04:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102713; 30 Oct 2002 22:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1870w0-0005ws-00; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:03:32 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9UM3JV11697 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:03:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9UM3Ip11694 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:03:19 GMT Received: from [80.40.75.120] (helo=ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1870vZ-000DMK-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:03:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:49:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 29 Oct, Liam Gretton wrote: > Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Martin wrote: > > > Could you be running out of memory, I experience strange behaviour when > > > pushing memory to the limits. > > > > 512 MB memory, only programs running in background usually is Norton Virus > > 2002. I've even tried quitting everthing possible, and still it crashes. > I recently had some instability problems with XP when I foolishly decided > to have a go at overclocking the CPU. Under those circumstances, I found > it could lock up randomly or suddenly reset (I've got BSOD switched off). > There's not much you can expect of an OS if the underlying hardware is > playing up, so it could be worth checking out your machine just in case > something is working marginally. It's already been to one of the local dealers twice, and is now on its second DVD ROM drive. Not really practical to send it back to Stuart Tyrrell. 8-) > I'm really not a MS apologist, but I hated Windows until XP, now I find it > really rather good (and I use Linux, RISC OS all day, and we have a new > iMac at home too, so I know all about the competition). Me too. I regularly use all of these systems for various purposes. I think you're probably right and there's something strange about my particular PC (sigh) > > > Probably going to change the damned thing for something a lot faster soon, > > as I am thinking of getting a capture card and moving all our SVHS home > > videos across to DVD. > Heh :-) That's what I use my machine for whenever I find the time. Get > yourself some BIG discs and the most powerful CPU you can afford ;-) The only trouble is persuading SWMBO that I need to replace a PC which is only 18 months old. > > Back on topic, I'll almost certainly have a Windows copy of OPro when it > > appears. 8-) > Same here! 8-) John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 30 23:13:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036019409:10:23080:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:13:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036019409:10:23080:45; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:10:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022721; 30 Oct 2002 23:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1871xp-0007db-00; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:09:29 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9UN91j18455 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:09:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9UN90i18449 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:09:01 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([80.6.101.114]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021030230853.PIRD9836.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:08:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:10:11 GMT From: Pete Bready To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <7e94c18d4b.pbready@ntlworld.com> References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8d4251d1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8d4251d1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b8d4251d1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling wrote: > On 29 Oct, Liam Gretton wrote: > > I'm really not a MS apologist, but I hated Windows until XP, now I find > > it really rather good (and I use Linux, RISC OS all day, and we have a > > new iMac at home too, so I know all about the competition). > > 50 people in our department now, all dislike XP. or as one of our techies described XP - Windows with a Fisher Price interface... -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 30 23:23:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036019741:10:01404:112".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:23:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036019741:10:01404:112; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:15:41 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124195; 30 Oct 2002 23:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 18723C-0000jY-00; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:15:02 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9UNFNN18999 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:15:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9UNFND18996 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:15:23 GMT Received: from [62.188.154.10] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18723N-0002uL-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:15:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:22:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Oct, John Martin wrote: > It's already been to one of the local dealers twice, and is now on its > second DVD ROM drive. Not really practical to send it back to Stuart > Tyrrell. 8-) I seem to remember Stuart mentioning a PC that hung at times when accessing the Zip drive (and certain other drive(s)) Yours I presume. If so, the question is: Does the motherboard contain a VIA chipset? -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 31 13:14:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036060091:10:08151:92".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:14:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036060091:10:08151:92; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:28:11 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1108590; 31 Oct 2002 10:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187CFR-0005Kl-00; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:08:21 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9VA7wN02096 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:07:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (root@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9VA7wo02093 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:07:58 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.34]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g9VA7l923032 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:07:49 GMT To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:03:52 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > I think you're probably right and there's something strange about my > particular PC (sigh) Have you checked whether you have the latest BIOS & drivers for your mother board? I had a problem with a brand new PC. It kept randomly freezing or crashing. A search of the motherboard makers site revealed a compatibility problem with the audio card I had. Upgrading the BIOS cured it. HTH Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 31 20:14:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036095066:10:23945:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:14:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036095066:10:23945:49; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:11:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023754; 31 Oct 2002 20:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 187Lds-0004Wq-00; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:10:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9VKAMw23139 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:10:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9VKALJ23130 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:10:21 GMT Received: from [80.40.75.76] (helo=ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 187Ld8-000PTv-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:09:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:48:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Oct, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 30 Oct, John Martin wrote: > > It's already been to one of the local dealers twice, and is now on its > > second DVD ROM drive. Not really practical to send it back to Stuart > > Tyrrell. 8-) > I seem to remember Stuart mentioning a PC that hung at times when accessing > the Zip drive (and certain other drive(s)) > Yours I presume. > If so, the question is: Does the motherboard contain a VIA chipset? It's a 663AS ULTRA with the VIA KT-133A chipset. Come to think of it that probably explains why I sometimes have problems with my Soundblaster card (I never got on very well with the onboard sound for some reason) John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 31 20:14:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036095073:10:23981:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:14:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036095073:10:23981:61; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:11:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1118360; 31 Oct 2002 20:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 187Lds-0004Wr-00; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:10:12 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9VKASv23153 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:10:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9VKASP23150 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:10:28 GMT Received: from [80.40.75.76] (helo=ukgateway.net) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 187LdA-000PTv-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:09:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:14 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8e331c1cdocmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 31 Oct, wrote: > Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net > > I think you're probably right and there's something strange about my > > particular PC (sigh) > Have you checked whether you have the latest BIOS & drivers for > your mother board? Yup. Now Norton Antivirus 2002 is nagging me every time I switch on. Tries to tell me my Virus Definitions are out of date, but when I use Norton Live Update, it says everything's up to date! Blood PCs ... Just to make life complete my Osaris palmheld now appears to be giving up the ghost. Backlight doesn't work, tells me to replace main batteries when they're new, corrupted and now refuses to recognise the 10MB compact flash is connected, and won't even successfully let me transfer files using PsiFS or Psiwin. (sigh) Anyone got any opinions on these new palmhelds using PalmOS or the mini PC type thingies? Looks like I'll be trying to sell my copy of Presentation Maker if I need to buy a new palmheld. (Powerpoint compatible running on Psions) 8-) John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 31 20:45:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036097044:10:12511:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:45:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036097044:10:12511:51; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:44:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112445; 31 Oct 2002 20:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 187M9X-0006TM-00; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:42:55 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9VKhL326447 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:43:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9VKhK826441 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:43:20 GMT Received: from [62.188.154.213] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187M9k-00036W-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:43:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:17:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8dc247d3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7e94c18d4b.pbready@ntlworld.com> References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8d4251d1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <7e94c18d4b.pbready@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 30 Oct, Pete Bready wrote: > In message <4b8d4251d1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling > wrote: > > On 29 Oct, Liam Gretton wrote: > > > I'm really not a MS apologist, but I hated Windows until XP, now I > > > find it really rather good (and I use Linux, RISC OS all day, and we > > > have a new iMac at home too, so I know all about the competition). > > 50 people in our department now, all dislike XP. > or as one of our techies described XP - Windows with a Fisher Price > interface... and as others have pointed out that doesn't quite fit:- Fisher Price toys are less likely to break. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 1 13:46:18 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036137290:20:05060:71".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:46:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036137290:20:05060:71; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 07:54:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129318; 1 Nov 2002 7:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 187Wcw-00049v-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 07:53:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA17s7U07145 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:54:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA17s7W07142 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:54:07 GMT Received: from host217-34-94-57.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.94.57] helo=acornrpc) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 187Wct-0004Nr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 07:53:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 07:53:56 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.32) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 31 Oct, John Martin wrote: > On 30 Oct, Steven Pampling wrote: [snip] > >> If so, the question is: Does the motherboard contain a VIA chipset? > > It's a 663AS ULTRA with the VIA KT-133A chipset. > > Come to think of it that probably explains why I sometimes have > problems with my Soundblaster card (I never got on very well with the > onboard sound for some reason) > Rapidly getting even further OT... Try downloading the latest 4-in-1 drivers from -- Brian Howlett -------------------------------------------------------------- Windows has detected that the mouse has been moved. You must restart Windows for the new setting to take effect... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 1 13:46:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036141477:20:27127:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:46:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036141477:20:27127:42; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:04:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120656; 1 Nov 2002 9:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187Xhr-0003Y8-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:03:07 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA192hi13904 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:02:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA192gD13900 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:02:43 GMT Received: from [62.188.120.250] (helo=62.188.120.250) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187XhF-0001yB-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:02:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:55:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8e391876charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8dc247d3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8d4251d1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <7e94c18d4b.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4b8dc247d3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b8dc247d3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 30 Oct, Pete Bready wrote: > > In message <4b8d4251d1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling > > wrote: > > > On 29 Oct, Liam Gretton wrote: > > > > I'm really not a MS apologist, but I hated Windows until XP, now I > > > > find it really rather good (and I use Linux, RISC OS all day, and we > > > > have a new iMac at home too, so I know all about the competition). > > > 50 people in our department now, all dislike XP. > > or as one of our techies described XP - Windows with a Fisher Price > > interface... > and as others have pointed out that doesn't quite fit:- Fisher Price toys > are less likely to break. Interesting: we had a mains failure on Monday with my PC (running xp) switched on. When I restarted it it simply ran as normal. Unlike W95 which has to check everything! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 1 13:46:26 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036156055:20:11860:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:46:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036156055:20:11860:43; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:07:35 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112921; 1 Nov 2002 13:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 187bUW-0006zD-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:05:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA1D5r121522 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:05:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1D5qq21518 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:05:52 GMT Received: from [213.116.52.207] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187bUY-0007wM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:05:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:08:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8e3a4241steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8e331c1cdocmart@ukgateway.net> References: <4b8e331c1cdocmart@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 31 Oct, John Martin wrote: > Anyone got any opinions on these new palmhelds using PalmOS or > the mini PC type thingies? Steer clear of the Palm OS stuff. They are cheaper in general, and it shows. Interfacing to a PC is often a major pain. For those who use them at work as well and have to deal with work PC's running NT or 2k, the *only* way to install Palm interface s/w properly is to make the user "admin" for a while, do the setup as the user and then revert the user permissions. As opposed to an install of PsiFS for a Psion: - install as admin, leave user to do own setup any way they want... As to the relative rankings of pocket PC offerings, I could ask my colleague at work for his documentation from the testing. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 1 13:46:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036156998:20:06930:80".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:46:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036156998:20:06930:80; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:23:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129433; 1 Nov 2002 13:22 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 187bkb-00081Y-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:22:13 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA1DMju24389 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:22:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1DMje24383 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:22:45 GMT Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.4.7.32]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021101132232.PAHT27595.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:22:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:22:27 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: References: <4b8e331c1cdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8e3a4241steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8e3a4241steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.00cS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In a previous message, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 31 Oct, John Martin wrote: > > > Anyone got any opinions on these new palmhelds using PalmOS or > > the mini PC type thingies? > > Steer clear of the Palm OS stuff. > > They are cheaper in general, and it shows. Alternatively, consider that they are half the price and yet do almost all the same things. If you buy the right one (e.g. Sony Clie) they even play mp3s at least as well. PalmOS devices also tend to have much better battery lives. The interface is simple and clear, and they follow a philosophy quite similar to RISC OS - have small apps that do one thing and do it well, rather than huge monolothic apps. > Interfacing to a PC is often a major pain. For those who use them at work > as well and have to deal with work PC's running NT or 2k, the *only* way > to install Palm interface s/w properly is to make the user "admin" for a > while, do the setup as the user and then revert the user permissions. Installation of the software is non-ideal in this situation, as you said, but once it's done there is no need for admin rights. The syncing with Windows is perfect - you can sync to Outlook, Palm desktop and 3rd party apps. The Office support is excellent - the PalmOS offerings even surpass MSWord for the Windows palmtops in usability and features. It really comes down to which you prefer to use, so it's essential to go to shops and try them out. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 1 13:46:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036156022:10:09822:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:46:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036156022:10:09822:43; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:07:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1127009; 1 Nov 2002 13:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 187bUW-0006zC-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:05:36 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA1D5oB21507 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:05:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1D5op21504 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:05:50 GMT Received: from [213.116.52.207] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187bUV-0007wM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:05:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:03:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8e39c617steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 31 Oct, John Martin wrote: > On 30 Oct, Steven Pampling wrote: > > On 30 Oct, John Martin wrote: [Snip] > > If so, the question is: Does the motherboard contain a VIA chipset? > It's a 663AS ULTRA with the VIA KT-133A chipset. > Come to think of it that probably explains why I sometimes have problems > with my Soundblaster card (I never got on very well with the onboard > sound for some reason) The Iomega web site has a link for people with VIA chipsets and problems with such things. The problem applies to more than just Zip drives but the link from Iomega is easy to find. "Busmaster drivers" is the issue. and having gone well off topic I will end there. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 1 23:16:16 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036192175:10:09811:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:16:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036192175:10:09811:42; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:09:35 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009132; 1 Nov 2002 23:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187ktz-0001M7-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:08:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA1N8H804115 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:08:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1N8G204112 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:08:16 GMT Received: from [213.116.62.207] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187ktP-0007QB-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:07:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 19:13:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8eb3965dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8e391876charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8d4251d1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <7e94c18d4b.pbready@ntlworld.com> <4b8dc247d3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8e391876charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 31 Oct, charles.hope wrote: > In article <4b8dc247d3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling > wrote: > > and as others have pointed out that doesn't quite fit:- Fisher Price > > toys are less likely to break. > Interesting: we had a mains failure on Monday with my PC (running xp) > switched on. When I restarted it it simply ran as normal. Unlike W95 > which has to check everything! Aw, please... Win95 for god sake. MS's second attempt at a GUI. And you're surprised it breaks on an unscheduled shutdown/restart? By the time they had got to Win98 they had this feature that allowed it to restart without telling you about the "fixing" it did relating to the open files at shutdown. It still broke things, it just didn't tell you anymore. I suspect XP is doing much the same. Give them another ten years and they might have something approaching Linux, stability. Another 10 and they might approach *current* Unix stability. Still, by then I will be over 60 and not that concerned about employment supporting kit running MS software. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 1 23:16:17 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036192175:10:09848:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:16:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036192175:10:09848:45; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:09:35 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009326; 1 Nov 2002 23:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187ktz-0001M6-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:08:31 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA1N8GJ04111 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:08:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1N8Ga04106 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:08:16 GMT Received: from [213.116.62.207] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187ktT-0007QB-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:08:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 19:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8eb4bbd8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b8e331c1cdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8e3a4241steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 01 Nov, John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, Steven Pampling wrote: > > On 31 Oct, John Martin wrote: > > > > > Anyone got any opinions on these new palmhelds using PalmOS or the > > > mini PC type thingies? > > > > Steer clear of the Palm OS stuff. > > > > They are cheaper in general, and it shows. > Alternatively, consider that they are half the price and yet do almost > all the same things. If you buy the right one (e.g. Sony Clie) they even > play mp3s at least as well. PalmOS devices also tend to have much better > battery lives. > The interface is simple and clear, and they follow a philosophy quite > similar to RISC OS - have small apps that do one thing and do it well, > rather than huge monolothic apps. > > Interfacing to a PC is often a major pain. For those who use them at > > work as well and have to deal with work PC's running NT or 2k, the > > *only* way to install Palm interface s/w properly is to make the user > > "admin" for a while, do the setup as the user and then revert the user > > permissions. > Installation of the software is non-ideal in this situation, as you > said, but once it's done there is no need for admin rights. The syncing > with Windows is perfect - you can sync to Outlook, Palm desktop and 3rd > party apps. The Office support is excellent - the PalmOS offerings even > surpass MSWord for the Windows palmtops in usability and features. > It really comes down to which you prefer to use, so it's essential to go > to shops and try them out. I was talking principally to John, who I know to work for the NHS (last I knew), and I think I can state that most NHS establishments run NT/2000 domains with machines locked up tighter than a ducks nether regions. Now the knowledge that you can do whizzy things on a home machine is stuff all use to someone who works for a setup like that and has to interface with those machines. Some IT setups are like ours and do nice things for many of the users, others say "non-standard" and effectively add "**** off" John has to live in the real world rather than the ideal world. Synchronising is simple with provisos. Once set up altering the config for a non-home install (i.e. large domain based) is not on the easy list. I could bore you rigid with the problems that can (and do occur) but this is not the forum. I stand by the comment, Palm OS offerings are *****, cheap but ***** Oh, and they are unlikely to ever be easy to synch with RO apps. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 1 23:16:17 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036192177:10:09832:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:16:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036192177:10:09832:53; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:09:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009124; 1 Nov 2002 23:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 187ktV-0000mq-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:08:01 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA1N8EW04103 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:08:14 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1N8E504100 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:08:14 GMT Received: from [213.116.62.207] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187ktR-0007QB-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:07:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 19:17:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version Message-ID: <4b8eb3eff2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 01 Nov, Brian Howlett wrote: > Rapidly getting even further OT... Try downloading the latest 4-in-1 > drivers from Ah, that was the link I didn't bother chasing. Linked from the Iomega site, as I said in the other post. Should I suggest that people preface items relating to Windows stuff with a [WIN] in the subject so that people can filter them out? (And before people comment that it isn't possible to filter e-mail by subject, I have a *free* item on my RPC system here that does just that) -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Nov 1 23:36:16 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1036193247:20:22747:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:36:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1036193247:20:22747:48; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:27:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111569; 1 Nov 2002 23:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 187lBq-0002ZB-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:26:58 +0000 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA1NRAK05410 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:27:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1NRAL05407 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:27:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 187lBo-00030K-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:26:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:25:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Windows version References: <4b8d2fbcffdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dba369bdocmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8dbd2ebdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <4b8e32e888docmart@ukgateway.net> <4b8eb3eff2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b8eb3eff2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Should I suggest that people preface items relating to Windows stuff with a >[WIN] in the subject so that people can filter them out? Good idea. So who saw my software running on a 32 bit RISC OS machine at the show? (he said, trying to get back on topic) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net