From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 3 18:49:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031075038:20:05444:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:49:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031075038:20:05444:55; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:43:58 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005269; 3 Sep 2002 17:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mHi3-0005gC-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 18:43:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g83HfnH28343 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:41:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83HfZD28333 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:41:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mHgE-0005bU-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 18:41:34 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:40:31 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ticking menu items MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Kipppers This has probably been asked several times before but I cannot seem to find the answer anywhere. Is there any way of getting the tick on menu items instead of the Euro symbol as I find it very irritating.I am using version 2.67 which I believe is the latest one. I would really appreciate the help. -- ____ _ _____ | _ \(_)/ ___) | |_) | | / | __// | \___ |_|(___/ \_____) Paul Cakebread E-mail kippers@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 3 20:04:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031079064:10:13589:104".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:04:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031079064:10:13589:104; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 18:51:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013688; 3 Sep 2002 18:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mIlD-0001Rh-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:50:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g83Imj804396 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:48:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83ImXU04376 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:48:33 +0100 Received: from pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:48:11 +0100 Received: from riscpc.workgroup (unverified [62.30.76.220]) by pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:48:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Cropper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:48:19 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ticking menu items Message-ID: <4b704ef516tony@cropp.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > >From: Kipppers > This has probably been asked several times before but I cannot seem to > find the answer anywhere. Is there any way of getting the tick on menu > items instead of the Euro symbol as I find it very irritating.I am using > version 2.67 which I believe is the latest one. > I would really appreciate the help. This is certainly a listed problem with ArtWorks and Risc OS 4 but the problem was that CC used the wrong(!!) character (char 128) which, in Risc OS 4+ became the euro symbol. This was fixed by Martin Wuerthner and is listed on his web site. I assume, without you explicitly stating it, that you have this problem with Ovation Pro 2.67? Under what circumstances? Certainly here it doesn't occur with 2.67. -- tony cropper bristol uk Email: tony@cropp.demon.co.uk Web: http://www.cropp.demon.co.uk/ BARUG: http://www.barug.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 3 20:05:03 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031079871:20:28213:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:05:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031079871:20:28213:46; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:04:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2027606; 3 Sep 2002 19:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mIy5-0002YW-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:04:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g83J3EG06225 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:03:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83J32f06197 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:03:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17mIx3-00056B-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:03:01 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:02:01 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ticking menu items References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >This has probably been asked several times before but I cannot seem to >find the answer anywhere. Is there any way of getting the tick on menu >items instead of the Euro symbol as I find it very irritating.I am >using version 2.67 which I believe is the latest one. In which context? ISTR there being a lot of trouble over this, but I thought it had been fixed. If its in an applet, then that may need updating. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 3 21:34:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031084717:10:24273:201".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:34:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031084717:10:24273:201; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:25:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002274; 3 Sep 2002 20:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mKER-0007Wz-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:25:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g83JXQZ09786 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:33:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83JXES09754 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:33:15 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17mJQH-0005dc-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:33:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:18:20 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] softwarelist Message-ID: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Can I confirm the following? This list replaces the Ovation Pro one and covers David's software in general. The address to post to is softwarelist@davidpilling.net The reason I ask is because I've received a welcome to the list message which gives admin details and specifies Ovation but no posting addy and 2 postings to the list apparently in mid conversation. Just want to check before updating my newsreader. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 3 21:49:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031085986:20:08284:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:49:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031085986:20:08284:54; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:46:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2007554; 3 Sep 2002 20:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mKYK-0000Vq-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:45:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g83Kiic18961 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:44:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83KiYQ18941 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:44:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mKXI-000HBh-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:44:32 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:43:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] softwarelist References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Can I confirm the following? >This list replaces the Ovation Pro one and covers David's software in >general. Yes. >The address to post to is softwarelist@davidpilling.net Yes. >The reason I ask is because I've received a welcome to the list message >which gives admin details and specifies Ovation but no posting addy and 2 >postings to the list apparently in mid conversation. Just teething problems. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 3 23:50:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031093020:10:27762:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:50:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031093020:10:27762:42; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:43:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027318; 3 Sep 2002 22:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mMNk-0000Ha-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 23:42:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g83MfMM32066 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:41:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from roma.localnet (foobar@pD90073B0.dip.t-dialin.net [217.0.115.176]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83MfCl32057 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:41:12 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.104] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17mMM6-0000ZY-00 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:41:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:41:41 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: softwarelist Message-ID: <4b706452b2sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: > >Can I confirm the following? > >This list replaces the Ovation Pro one and covers David's software in > >general. > Yes. What about davidpilling@lists.barnet.ac.uk? I just found it in my records. Is this dead as well? -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page Waughning : Spel chekur knot wurking at phull kapacity -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 01:35:12 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031099303:10:04196:85".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:35:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031099303:10:04196:85; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:28:23 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004971; 4 Sep 2002 0:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17mO1j-0003Nk-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:28:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g840PsH06360 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:25:54 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g840PfB06351 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:25:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mNzI-000JLi-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:25:40 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:24:15 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: softwarelist References: <4b706452b2sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4b706452b2sbellon@sbellon.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >What about davidpilling@lists.barnet.ac.uk? I just found it in my >records. Is this dead as well? Yes, that is terminated too. For the time being the new address for that list is dplist@pilling.demon.co.uk There is some info on my web site about these lists. However that too isn't perfected yet. The software list info is under the OP mail list. It seems about 5 people's ISP's are rejecting mail from this (new) list on the grounds it is spam... If you're reading this, yours isn't one of them 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 02:50:02 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031103674:10:06686:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 02:50:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031103674:10:06686:47; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:41:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1113636; 4 Sep 2002 1:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mPAC-0002di-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:41:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g841dPW10475 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 02:39:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g841dBx10470 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 02:39:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17mP8Q-0000nR-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:39:11 +0100 Message-ID: <5eUDK3OmPWd9EwiE@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 02:37:42 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Non-printing colour References: <4b706452b2sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I think I've come across an inconsistency regarding non-printing colours. >They do work with text, but don't work with underlines. That is, when I define >underlines in a non-printing red, for example, they do occur both on screen >(in red - which is correct) and on paper (in black! - which seems to be a >double fault). Jumping back to Paul Sprangers message to the old OvationPro list (above)... I think the problem is that there is a special rule for underline, if the colour is transparent then it is taken as the same as the text colour. Alas in the coding 'non-printing' looks the same as 'transparent'. I can see that underlines would be useful to have as non-printing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 14:46:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031125518:20:16422:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:46:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031125518:20:16422:46; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 07:45:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016062; 4 Sep 2002 7:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mUqH-0002Mz-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:44:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g847hXp32248 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:43:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g847hGG32219 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:43:17 +0100 Received: from martin.lexicon (unknown [212.104.153.188]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 03FD04FAFC for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:46:02 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:42:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Please help me remember Message-ID: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist An aquaintance of mine has sent as email saying that his version of OVPro doesn't work anymore - needs to be re-installed. It's a version from the Beebug days and as he's had a new hard disc recently I suspect the copy protection has caused the problem. Only thing is, I can't remember how the copy protection worked and therefore can't advise him on best course of action. I can remember my phone number from 45 years ago though :-) Can someone drag from the corners of their brain the required information. Thanks Martin Longley -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 14:46:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031138851:20:29074:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:46:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031138851:20:29074:53; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:27:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028035; 4 Sep 2002 11:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17mYI7-00005Y-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:25:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g849Wfp15839 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:32:41 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g849WTu15773 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:32:30 +0100 Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17mWWR-0006UF-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:32:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:34:06 +0100 From: Malcolm Cowell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <8b0da0704b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Am I right in thinking that Arc Fax will not work via the Barricade router supplied by R Comp in their Network In Box. I use the router to dialup via an external USR modem. If I am wrong can someone point me to advice on how to get ArcFax working please? -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIEIE Fax: 0870 0548876 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 18:31:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031160410:20:22586:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:31:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031160410:20:22586:52; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:26:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2101897; 4 Sep 2002 17:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17mdvA-0005Sz-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:26:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84Bu9O06499 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:56:09 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84Btwk06464 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:55:58 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mYlJ-000P0n-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:55:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:03:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Please help me remember Message-ID: <4b70a2b55fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> References: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 04 Sep, Martin Longley wrote: [about OvPro] > Can someone drag from the corners of their brain the required > information. I would strongly recommend upgrading - the current version is on CD with no nasty protection system. In any case contacting David Pilling would be a good start. -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 18:31:24 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031160410:20:22573:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:31:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031160410:20:22573:43; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:26:50 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022560; 4 Sep 2002 17:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17mdvG-0005Sz-01; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:26:34 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84EZYp02023 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:35:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84EZNf02000 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:35:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17mbFa-0007Mh-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:35:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:33:59 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box References: <8b0da0704b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8b0da0704b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: "F.R. Polak" In message dated 4 Sep 2002 Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > Am I right in thinking that Arc Fax will not work via the Barricade > router supplied by R Comp in their Network In Box. I use the router to > dialup via an external USR modem. Yes, you are right. The SMC Baricade router (I have one too) will only dial an ISP and then set up an PPP connection for you so you can access the internet. Ofcourse it also rules your home network and acts as a print server. But fax is a totally other kettle of fish. Also the FAQ on the SMC website tells you that faxing is not possible through the Barricade. > If I am wrong can someone point me to advice on how to get ArcFax > working please? > Just temporarily plug your modem lead into the serial port of your RiscPC, start up ArcFax and off you go... Or buy a second modem for this. Cheers, Frits -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 18:31:24 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031160417:20:22601:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:31:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031160417:20:22601:64; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:26:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101896; 4 Sep 2002 17:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17mdvB-0005Sz-01; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:26:29 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84D9R619212 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:09:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84D9Hd19181 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:09:17 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mZu7-000BWt-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 14:09:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 13:59:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b70b2d2f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8b0da0704b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> References: <8b0da0704b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 04 Sep, Malcolm Cowell wrote: > Am I right in thinking that Arc Fax will not work via the Barricade > router supplied by R Comp in their Network In Box. I use the router to > dialup via an external USR modem. > If I am wrong can someone point me to advice on how to get ArcFax > working please? And while that's being discussed: what setting do I need for ArcFax to work with a Robotics Sportster Flash modem? -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 18:31:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031160421:20:22586:108".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:31:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031160421:20:22586:108; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:27:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101938; 4 Sep 2002 17:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17mdvI-0005Sz-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:26:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84C2ce07707 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:02:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84C2RI07668 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:02:28 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([80.7.0.9]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020904120226.FTTM290.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:02:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 13:02:19 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Please help me remember Message-ID: <5d9fad704b.jms@ntlworld.com> References: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> Martin Longley wrote: > An aquaintance of mine has sent as email saying that his version of OVPro > doesn't work anymore - needs to be re-installed. It's a version from the > Beebug days and as he's had a new hard disc recently I suspect the copy > protection has caused the problem. > > Only thing is, I can't remember how the copy protection worked and therefore > can't advise him on best course of action. > I can remember my phone number from 45 years ago though :-) > > Can someone drag from the corners of their brain the required information. > > Thanks > > Martin Longley > > -- > mlongley@eclipse.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > You need to run the installer from the floppy disc then drag the copy on the hard disc to the installer window, thats all ! -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 18:31:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031160422:20:22523:89".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:31:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031160422:20:22523:89; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:27:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101898; 4 Sep 2002 17:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17mdvD-0005Sz-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:26:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84EXWG01602 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:33:32 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84EXN101563 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:33:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17mbDe-0006QN-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:33:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:31:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Please help me remember References: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >An aquaintance of mine has sent as email saying that his version of OVPro >doesn't work anymore - needs to be re-installed. It's a version from the >Beebug days and as he's had a new hard disc recently I suspect the copy >protection has caused the problem. Just reinstall from floppy, as if you're installing for the first time. The Beebug installer puts up some irrelevant message like "drag program from release discs here". It wasn't ever implemented. However reinstalling from floppy will put him back to version 2.52 (or earlier). He then needs the patches. Sounds like buying the CD upgrade would be the easiest thing to me 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 18:31:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031160409:10:12105:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:31:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031160409:10:12105:42; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:26:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104302; 4 Sep 2002 17:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17mdvF-0005Sz-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:26:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84EITL31434 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:18:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84EIGu31407 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:18:17 +0100 Received: from pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:17:41 +0100 Received: from acorn (unverified [80.195.42.238]) by pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:17:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael Drake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:17:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] New User Message-ID: <4b70ba023amike@smoothartist.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi... I have only recently started using Ovation Pro and there are a few things I am unsure of. These are: PCA I use !Compo a lot and I have also started to use !Variations quite a bit. How do I make these programs get "seen" by Ovation Pro so that I can use them as PCA plugins? Equation Editor I often have to write reports that require me to show equations but I am unsure of what the best way of creating them is. Is there a facility for creating them in Ovation Pro or is there a recommended 3rd party piece of software that could do the job? Start Up Banner When I start Ovation Pro I get a window that comes up saying that I bought Ovation Pro from APDL. Is there any way to change that to my name and address or do I need to send of the registration form first? I am using version 2.67, BTW. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Mike -- Michael Drake - (TLSA) Check my website at: www.smoothartist.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 20:31:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031167511:20:02518:148".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:31:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031167511:20:02518:148; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:25:11 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003422; 4 Sep 2002 19:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mflp-0005LN-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:24:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84Intp08155 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:49:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84InlF08126 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:49:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mfDm-0004g2-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:49:46 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:48:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] New User References: <4b70ba023amike@smoothartist.com> In-Reply-To: <4b70ba023amike@smoothartist.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >PCA >I use !Compo a lot and I have also started to use !Variations quite a bit. >How do I make these programs get "seen" by Ovation Pro so that I can use >them as PCA plugins? Start by installing the PCA applet... whether that provides full functionality with Compo etc. I don't know. >Equation Editor OP doesn't have any special facilities. So you're left with the usual Acorn choices, the programs that came with Impression - Equasor/Formulix. Or compose the equations in Techwriter and export as Draw files. Anyway you end up with a Draw file which can be embedded in the text flow in OP. >Start Up Banner >When I start Ovation Pro I get a window that comes up saying that I bought >Ovation Pro from APDL. Is there any way to change that to my name and >address or do I need to send of the registration form first? You can't change it. If you send in your registration details and remind me I can email you a new RegData file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 20:31:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031167535:20:03947:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:31:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031167535:20:03947:45; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:25:35 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106449; 4 Sep 2002 19:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mfln-0005LN-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:24:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84Iqeu08661 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:52:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84IqTK08640 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:52:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mfGO-0004wn-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:52:28 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:50:58 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box References: <8b0da0704b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> <4b70b2d2f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b70b2d2f6john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >what setting do I need for ArcFax to work with a Robotics Sportster Flash >modem? Setting? what setting? USR modems usually can be driven in Class 2.0 or Class 1, that gives you a choice of the Class20V driver, or a Class 1 driver. It used to be there was a special Class 1 driver for the USR modems - called USR1V, however these days you can probably use the latest Class 1 code - Class1VA (on my web site) with them. The only other setting is that USR don't support 2D compression in Class 2.0 mode, so if you use that driver you've got to configure 2D off. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 20:31:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031167567:10:29202:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:31:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031167567:10:29202:49; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:26:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1101697; 4 Sep 2002 19:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mflq-0005LN-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:24:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84Ib9e06425 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:37:09 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84Iaxd06392 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:36:59 +0100 Received: from fergusn.demon.co.uk ([62.49.16.238] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17mf1O-0003c0-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:36:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:17:58 +0100 From: John Ferguson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4B70D003EA%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Aug 2002) Snapshot-9, ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article F.R. Polak apparently wrote: > In message dated 4 Sep 2002 > Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > > Am I right in thinking that Arc Fax will not work via the Barricade > > router supplied by R Comp in their Network In Box. I use the router > > to dialup via an external USR modem. > > Yes, you are right. The SMC Baricade router (I have one too) will only > dial an ISP and then set up an PPP connection for you so you can access > the internet. Ofcourse it also rules your home network and acts as a > print server. But fax is a totally other kettle of fish. Also the FAQ on > the SMC website tells you that faxing is not possible through the > Barricade. > > > If I am wrong can someone point me to advice on how to get ArcFax > > working please? > > > > Just temporarily plug your modem lead into the serial port of your > RiscPC, start up ArcFax and off you go... > Or buy a second modem for this. Or, as I have, a serial switch box. John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 21:31:26 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031171055:20:19321:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:31:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031171055:20:19321:48; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:24:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018748; 4 Sep 2002 20:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mggW-0001on-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:23:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84KMkf21944 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:22:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84KMUA21928 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:22:30 +0100 Received: from martin.lexicon (unknown [212.104.153.22]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 490A44FD42 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:25:17 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:08:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Please help me remember Message-ID: <4b70da2bf0mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >An aquaintance of mine has sent as email saying that his version of OVPro > >doesn't work anymore - needs to be re-installed. It's a version from the > >Beebug days and as he's had a new hard disc recently I suspect the copy > >protection has caused the problem. > Just reinstall from floppy, as if you're installing for the first time. > The Beebug installer puts up some irrelevant message like "drag program > from release discs here". It wasn't ever implemented. > However reinstalling from floppy will put him back to version 2.52 (or > earlier). He then needs the patches. > Sounds like buying the CD upgrade would be the easiest thing to me 8-) I agree bit I'll have to persuade him to part with the pennies. Martin Longley -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 4 21:31:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031171079:10:01105:85".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:31:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031171079:10:01105:85; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:24:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001154; 4 Sep 2002 20:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17mghT-0001xX-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:24:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84K1X218034 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:01:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84K1PR18013 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:01:25 +0100 Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17mgL4-00015Q-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:01:23 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:01:45 +0100 From: Malcolm Cowell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <1084d9704b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> References: <8b0da0704b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message you wrote: > > >From: "F.R. Polak" > > In message dated 4 Sep 2002 > Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > > > > Am I right in thinking that Arc Fax will not work via the Barricade > > router supplied by R Comp in their Network In Box. > > Yes, you are right. The SMC Baricade router (I have one too) will only > dial an ISP and then set up an PPP connection for you so you can access > the internet. Ofcourse it also rules your home network and acts as a > print server. But fax is a totally other kettle of fish. > > Just temporarily plug your modem lead into the serial port of your > RiscPC, start up ArcFax and off you go... > Or buy a second modem for this. > Many thanks for this and other advice. It clears up what I thought and I can interchange with a spare serial lead. -- Malcolm Cowell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 02:31:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031189169:20:15671:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 02:31:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031189169:20:15671:56; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 01:26:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015891; 5 Sep 2002 1:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mlOx-0005pQ-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 02:25:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84KfT923756 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:41:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g84KfGG23733 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:41:17 +0100 Received: from [213.116.58.173] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mgxZ-0000IC-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:41:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:13:23 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Please help me remember Message-ID: <4b70da94cbsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> References: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 04 Sep, Martin Longley wrote: > Only thing is, I can't remember how the copy protection worked and > therefore can't advise him on best course of action. I can remember my > phone number from 45 years ago though :-) > Can someone drag from the corners of their brain the required > information. One specific byte in one file gave the number of licences IIRC. As I recall it didn't take much effort to modify. Of course, since David is a splendid fellow, a simple spot of cash and the original disc as proof will probably cause a nice new CD to wing it's way to your friend. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 13:27:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031192692:10:18514:46".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:27:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031192692:10:18514:46; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 02:24:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1018349; 5 Sep 2002 2:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17mmJo-0001iW-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 03:24:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g851lIQ12965 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 02:47:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g851lAM12962 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 02:47:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mljh-0004pC-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 02:47:09 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 02:46:01 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Please help me remember References: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> <4b70da94cbsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b70da94cbsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >One specific byte in one file gave the number of licences IIRC. Good grief, it's all coming out now. I believe that Beebug never used the option to limit the number of installs - too likely to cause upset. >Of course, since David is a splendid fellow, a simple spot of cash and the >original disc as proof will probably cause a nice new CD to wing it's way >to your friend. I don't want the original disc. Just give me the money (err as I believe some people say). Seriously upgrade info is on my web site. Bottom line, there's no need to buy the CD. Just install from floppy and all will be well. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 14:27:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031232408:10:24661:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:27:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031232408:10:24661:57; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:26:48 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024097; 5 Sep 2002 13:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mweB-0003kh-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:26:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8589N402525 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:09:23 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8589IQ02497 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:09:18 +0100 Received: from [62.188.151.127] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mrhT-00026h-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:09:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 22:06:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Please help me remember Message-ID: <4b70df722dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> References: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 04 Sep, Martin Longley wrote: > Only thing is, I can't remember how the copy protection worked and > therefore can't advise him on best course of action. I can remember my > phone number from 45 years ago though :-) > Can someone drag from the corners of their brain the required > information. Of course having misrembered things I posted irrelevant info. Now which was the s/w with the copy protection that counted licences... -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 15:42:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031236146:10:18922:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:42:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031236146:10:18922:60; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:29:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018602; 5 Sep 2002 14:28 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mxZN-00009M-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:25:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g856t0G27665 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:55:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g856sra27655 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:54:54 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.51.138]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H1YDVA00.SJ7 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:54:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:54:43 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] !SparkFS Message-ID: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Dear all, A question about !SparkFS: To save space (and to speed up the backing up process) I've sparked a lot of applications. The problem now is that all of these applications are not recognised in the boot process. For example, the sparked !Twain is looked at and run from the boot, but when I want to scan, an error box says that !Twain has not been seen by the filer. What can I do about that? !SparkFS itself is on top op the boot sequence. A second question about !SparkFS: I've found !SparkFS not always very reliable. At least four or five times in the past year, a large archive got corrupted when I tried to add something to it, or when an application within that archive changed something to the default settings. Is this just me, or does this sound familiar to others too? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 16:42:46 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031240339:20:09615:132".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:42:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031240339:20:09615:132; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:38:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2101475; 5 Sep 2002 15:38 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17myVZ-0005SK-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:25:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85F5aM19523 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:05:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85F5Up19491 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:05:31 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17myCI-0002va-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:05:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:02:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] admin: suggestion Message-ID: <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist As the list covers all of DP's products can everyone start putting the product in question at the start of the subject line? I'd suggest we have values like: admin: like this email, covering general list-admin issues OP: ovation pro (I think typing out "ovation pro:" will# waste too much of the space in a mail's subject line) ArcFax: question, or maybe AF: question? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 16:42:46 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031239683:20:25840:120".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:42:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031239683:20:25840:120; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:28:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2026584; 5 Sep 2002 15:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17myVf-0005SK-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:25:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85F5lD19561 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:05:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85F5UT19479 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:05:30 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17myCG-0002va-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:05:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:00:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b7141ccc5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4B70D003EA%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> References: <4B70D003EA%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4B70D003EA%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk>, John Ferguson wrote: > > Just temporarily plug your modem lead into the serial port of your > > RiscPC, start up ArcFax and off you go... Or buy a second modem for > > this. > Or, as I have, a serial switch box. No use in this case because the modem is plugged into the back of the Barricade Router and accessed via IP not the serial port. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 18:27:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031246793:20:05502:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:27:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031246793:20:05502:40; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:26:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003935; 5 Sep 2002 17:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17n0Ni-0003XB-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:25:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85H9c515802 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:09:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85H9S715781 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:09:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17n08F-0004Lw-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:09:27 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:08:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box References: <4B70D003EA%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> <4b7141ccc5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b7141ccc5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >No use in this case because the modem is plugged into the back of the >Barricade Router and accessed via IP not the serial port. > Speculation, but do RComp supply a 'block driver' that allows modem programs to talk to the modem via the network. If so you'll be able to use ArcFax via it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 18:27:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031246772:10:26544:67".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:27:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031246772:10:26544:67; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:26:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111552; 5 Sep 2002 17:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17n0Nn-0003XB-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:25:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85H8Ia15604 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:08:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85H87g15577 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:08:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17n06w-0003vO-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:08:06 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:06:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !SparkFS References: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, >To save space (and to speed up the backing up process) I've sparked a lot >of applications. The problem now is that all of these applications are not >recognised in the boot process. For example, the sparked !Twain is looked >at and run from the boot, but when I want to scan, an error box says that >!Twain has not been seen by the filer. What can I do about that? >!SparkFS itself is on top op the boot sequence. It clearly depends on SparkFS being initialised and loaded before RISC OS initialises things like !TWAIN. I suppose one technique would be to run SparkFS from the desktop boot file and then later in the desktop boot file, Filer_Boot !TWAIN. That gets the ordering right. You will have to run SparkFS, as opposed to just booting it before archives can be accessed. >I've found !SparkFS not always very reliable. At least four or five times >in the past year, a large archive got corrupted when I tried to add >something to it, or when an application within that archive changed >something to the default settings. >Is this just me, or does this sound familiar to others too? What sort of archive? which version of SparkFS? Corruption certainly does happen. Bugs get fixed though. And sometimes the bug won't be in SparkFS. It's a bit of a problem, ever since Spark came out (1989) there have been rumbles about "corruption in large archives" but rarely can anyone provide an example. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 18:57:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031248142:20:15385:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:57:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031248142:20:15385:48; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:49:02 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013520; 5 Sep 2002 17:48 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17n0jL-0002Pj-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:47:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85Hl2X20704 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:47:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.180]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85HkmB20684 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:46:49 +0100 Received: from modem-98.thallium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.60.98] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17n0iL-00069c-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:46:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:28:48 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Please help me remember To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JPK, Bangor.Pager 07626-235878 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 04 Sep, Martin Longley wrote: > > An aquaintance of mine has sent as email saying that his version of OVPro > doesn't work anymore - needs to be re-installed. It's a version from the > Beebug days and as he's had a new hard disc recently I suspect the copy > protection has caused the problem. > > Only thing is, I can't remember how the copy protection worked and therefore > can't advise him on best course of action. > I can remember my phone number from 45 years ago though :-) > > Can someone drag from the corners of their brain the required information. > > Thanks > > Martin Longley > Woud this not be a goon time to upgrade to the latest version? -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, 21 Glantraeth, Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1HQ. "phone" 01248 - 353264 RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 19:27:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031249589:20:26619:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:27:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031249589:20:26619:58; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:13:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025950; 5 Sep 2002 18:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17n177-0001RH-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:12:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85IB5K23968 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:11:05 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85IAtS23941 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:10:55 +0100 Received: from fergusn.demon.co.uk ([62.49.16.238] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17n15i-0000L0-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:10:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:00:35 +0100 From: John Ferguson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4B71524288%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b7141ccc5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Aug 2002) Snapshot-9, ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b7141ccc5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4B70D003EA%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk>, > John Ferguson wrote: > > > > Just temporarily plug your modem lead into the serial port of your > > > RiscPC, start up ArcFax and off you go... Or buy a second modem for > > > this. > > > Or, as I have, a serial switch box. > > No use in this case because the modem is plugged into the back of the > Barricade Router and accessed via IP not the serial port. I maybe missing something obvious, but dial-up and fax can't be used at the same time and the modem plugs into the router's com port. How does that preclude the use of a switch box? John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 19:42:48 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031250746:20:27396:103".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:42:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031250746:20:27396:103; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:32:26 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027569; 5 Sep 2002 18:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17n1Q9-00038i-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:32:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85IUvx26643 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:30:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (murphys.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.225]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g85IUlN26620 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:30:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 29026 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 18:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO barry) (212.159.102.184) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 18:30:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:30:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Please help me remember Message-ID: <4b7154f825barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , John P. Kerslake wrote: > Woud this not be a goon time to upgrade to the latest version? Not now Neddie! -- Barry A. Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 20:12:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031252989:20:27121:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:12:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031252989:20:27121:57; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:09:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026140; 5 Sep 2002 19:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17n1zh-0006DJ-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:08:46 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85J7uC31506 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:07:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85J7jB31485 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:07:46 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17n1yh-0006jD-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:07:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:48:38 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b7156a895Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4B71524288%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> References: <4b7141ccc5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4B71524288%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4B71524288%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk>, John Ferguson wrote: > In article <4b7141ccc5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > In article <4B70D003EA%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk>, > > John Ferguson wrote: > > > > > > Just temporarily plug your modem lead into the serial port of > > > > your RiscPC, start up ArcFax and off you go... Or buy a second > > > > modem for this. > > > > > Or, as I have, a serial switch box. > > > > No use in this case because the modem is plugged into the back of the > > Barricade Router and accessed via IP not the serial port. > I maybe missing something obvious, but dial-up and fax can't be used at > the same time and the modem plugs into the router's com port. How does > that preclude the use of a switch box? Maybe it doesn't - but I thought you meant switching the riscpc serial port between the modem and something else? What did you mean? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 22:27:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031261116:10:05709:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:27:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031261116:10:05709:61; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:25:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1005545; 5 Sep 2002 21:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17n47I-0001zM-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:24:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85KVD409578 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:31:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85KV3B09542 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:31:04 +0100 Received: from [62.188.154.84] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17n3HI-0002OI-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:31:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:56:47 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Please help me remember Message-ID: <4b715ce5eesteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b7095da64mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> <4b70da94cbsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Good grief, it's all coming out now. I believe that Beebug never used > the option to limit the number of installs - too likely to cause upset. Ah. So I wasn't misremembering then. I thought from other comments that I was confusing it with another item I had, er, "altered" I should of course point out that I do not and will not condone piracy ( I just don't like having my backups limited) And to re-enforce the message: David is a nice fellow and giving him money for the latest version of OvPro is the best money you will spend this decade. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 22:27:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031261234:20:16072:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:27:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031261234:20:16072:40; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:27:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014956; 5 Sep 2002 21:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17n48l-00022H-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:26:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85LPPn14337 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:25:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85LPCx14325 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:25:13 +0100 Received: from fergusn.demon.co.uk ([62.49.16.238] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17n47j-000Dds-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:25:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:14:35 +0100 From: John Ferguson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4B71640547%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b7156a895Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Aug 2002) Snapshot-9, ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b7156a895Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4B71524288%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk>, > John Ferguson wrote: > > In article <4b7141ccc5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> > > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > > In article <4B70D003EA%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk>, > > > John Ferguson wrote: > > > > > > > > Just temporarily plug your modem lead into the serial port of > > > > > your RiscPC, start up ArcFax and off you go... Or buy a second > > > > > modem for this. > > > > > > > Or, as I have, a serial switch box. > > > > > > No use in this case because the modem is plugged into the back of the > > > Barricade Router and accessed via IP not the serial port. > > > I maybe missing something obvious, but dial-up and fax can't be used at > > the same time and the modem plugs into the router's com port. How does > > that preclude the use of a switch box? > > Maybe it doesn't - but I thought you meant switching the riscpc serial > port between the modem and something else? What did you mean? My switch box switches the *modem* between RiscPC and PC to allow either to use it when required. Is it not the same to switch the modem between RiscPC and router to facilitate occasional faxing? John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 23:27:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031264708:10:00309:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:27:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031264708:10:00309:50; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:25:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000548; 5 Sep 2002 22:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17n53Q-0001iW-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 23:24:48 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85LQLr14425 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:26:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85LQCS14405 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:26:13 +0100 Received: from martin.lexicon (unknown [212.104.142.82]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id A7B3750024 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:28:54 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:16:27 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: admin: suggestion Message-ID: <4b716430femlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > As the list covers all of DP's products can everyone start putting the > product in question at the start of the subject line? I'd suggest we > have values like: > admin: like this email, covering general list-admin issues > OP: ovation pro (I think typing out "ovation pro:" will# > waste too much of the space in a mail's subject line) > ArcFax: question, or maybe > AF: question? But what do we put for 'the software that dare not speak it's name' (frequently used in conjunction with a scanner)? Martin Longley -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 23:42:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031265707:10:25832:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:42:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031265707:10:25832:40; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:41:47 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1024987; 5 Sep 2002 22:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17n5J6-0002LF-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 23:41:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85MeN020025 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:40:23 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85MeIv20020 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:40:18 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17n5IP-000PBy-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 23:40:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:09:31 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !SparkFS Message-ID: References: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] > >I've found !SparkFS not always very reliable. At least four or five times > >in the past year, a large archive got corrupted when I tried to add > >something to it, or when an application within that archive changed > >something to the default settings. > >Is this just me, or does this sound familiar to others too? > > What sort of archive? which version of SparkFS? > > Corruption certainly does happen. Bugs get fixed though. And sometimes > the bug won't be in SparkFS. > > It's a bit of a problem, ever since Spark came out (1989) there have > been rumbles about "corruption in large archives" but rarely can anyone > provide an example. Just whistling in the wind but could it have anything to do with being caught out by the delay in closing the archive? Not experienced any corruption personally... of files that is. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 23:42:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031264967:20:04395:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:42:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031264967:20:04395:60; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:29:27 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004368; 5 Sep 2002 22:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17n57j-0008Kp-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 23:29:15 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85MSL119172 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:28:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85MS9P19157 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:28:09 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([80.7.0.9]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020905222808.LDFR290.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:28:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 23:23:44 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <0f5a6a714b.jms@ntlworld.com> References: <4B71640547%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4B71640547%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4B71640547%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> John Ferguson wrote: snipped > > > > > Or, as I have, a serial switch box. > > > > > > > > No use in this case because the modem is plugged into the back of the > > > > Barricade Router and accessed via IP not the serial port. > > > > > I maybe missing something obvious, but dial-up and fax can't be used at > > > the same time and the modem plugs into the router's com port. How does > > > that preclude the use of a switch box? > > > > Maybe it doesn't - but I thought you meant switching the riscpc serial > > port between the modem and something else? What did you mean? > > My switch box switches the *modem* between RiscPC and PC to allow either > to use it when required. Is it not the same to switch the modem between > RiscPC and router to facilitate occasional faxing? > > John > -- > John Ferguson This is what I have done here in the past with a barracade router. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 5 23:42:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031265673:20:18016:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:42:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031265673:20:18016:66; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:41:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017984; 5 Sep 2002 22:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17n5J7-0003pA-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 23:41:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g85MeMZ20024 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:40:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85MeGF20016 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:40:16 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17n5IM-000PBy-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 23:40:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:11:14 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] admin: suggestion Message-ID: <003c53714b.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > As the list covers all of DP's products can everyone start putting the > product in question at the start of the subject line? I'd suggest we > have values like: > > admin: like this email, covering general list-admin issues > > OP: ovation pro (I think typing out "ovation pro:" will# > waste too much of the space in a mail's subject line) > > ArcFax: question, or maybe > AF: question? Oh gawd. Something else to remember. Some of us are aging. :-) -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 6 13:46:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031302243:20:18489:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:46:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031302243:20:18489:53; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:50:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017528; 6 Sep 2002 8:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nEo1-0001A0-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 09:49:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g868mlU28537 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:48:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g868mk528532 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:48:46 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.52.247]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H20DSY01.UVR for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:48:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:48:31 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] !SparkFS Message-ID: <4b71a38d4dpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: > I suppose one technique would be to run SparkFS from the desktop boot > file and then later in the desktop boot file, Filer_Boot !TWAIN. That > gets the ordering right. But that is exactly what I do. !SparkFS is on top of the list, immediately after: |Start RISCOS BootBoot 0.01 Boot All the others come after that. Or isn't this what you mean? About corruption in large archives: > What sort of archive? which version of SparkFS? Zip archives. Verion 1.38. When I come across another corruption I'll try to see if it is repeatable. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 6 14:16:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031317029:10:10020:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:16:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031317029:10:10020:53; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:57:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115552; 6 Sep 2002 12:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17nIf8-0004HE-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:56:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86Cu4f03439 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:56:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86Cu4V03434 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:56:04 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17nIeZ-00004M-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:56:03 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:55:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !SparkFS References: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> <4b71a38d4dpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b71a38d4dpaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >But that is exactly what I do. !SparkFS is on top of the list, immediately >after: |Start RISCOS BootBoot 0.01 Boot >All the others come after that. >Or isn't this what you mean? I was thinking of the "desktop boot" file i.e. !Boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks.!Boot Which file are you talking about, and what do you do to run SparkFS in it? The Filer_Run command queues things, and this is a potential source of what you've apparently run not actually having run at a later time. Looking at the above filename, I have to admit I don't understand the intricacies of !Boot. >About corruption in large archives: >Zip archives. Verion 1.38. Hmm. One useful thing is that there are in the Windows etc. world, utilities for fixing corrupt Zip files. So often a corrupt Zip can be easily fixed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 6 14:16:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031317028:10:07701:296".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:16:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031317028:10:07701:296; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:57:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010239; 6 Sep 2002 12:56 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nIf8-0002Kp-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:56:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86Cua203509 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:56:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86Cua003505 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:56:36 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17nIf5-0000Js-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:56:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:56:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] ArcFax: sending but not receiving? Message-ID: <4b71ba3b40john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I purchased ArcFax some time ago but the need to use FAX disappeared at the same time ;-( I now need FAX facilities and have just made initial attempts: Receiving FAX has been a total failure: log shows 6 fails in an attempt to send me one page Sending FAX *appears* to be OK: log shows 1 FAX 'sent'. I'm using the Class1VA driver for a US Robotics Sportster Flash modem. Any advice on items to check for a typical manual misreading user - and means of checking that it's working OK without annoying too many people? -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 6 15:01:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031320119:20:06913:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:01:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031320119:20:06913:50; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:48:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005914; 6 Sep 2002 13:47 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nJSW-0001Bh-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:47:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86DlYh12186 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:47:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86DlXn12180 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:47:33 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17nJSJ-0008Ai-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:47:27 +0100 Message-ID: <8gKilECQGLe9EwJN@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:45:52 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax: sending but not receiving? References: <4b71ba3b40john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b71ba3b40john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Receiving FAX has been a total failure: >log shows 6 fails in an attempt to send me one page Use the debug facilities, record a failed receive attempt, let me have the spool file of it. That's the ultimate debugging method, but you also need to use your eyes and ears first. There are many ways faxing can fail. Does it fail in seconds or minutes, do you just see the preliminaries or do you see the main data transfer. >I'm using the Class1VA driver for a US Robotics Sportster Flash modem. Might be time to give Class 2.0 a go then. Class 2.0 works in a very different way to Class 1, with the modems insides doing the fax protocol. > >Any advice on items to check for a typical manual misreading user - and >means of checking that it's working OK without annoying too many people? > With ArcFax, the best advice was always to not change any setting unless you understood why you were changing it. Users would start thinking about things - like the buttons marked "answer" and "originate" and start changing the values. From default, very little needs changing. As to testing. It was always best to not just test using only one system, particularly not a local fax machine. These days you can probably use services on the net for test faxing. Way back I used to collect numbers of 'fax on demand' systems. ISTR someone like HP will fax you information. I don't mind you sending me a fax (number below) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 6 15:16:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031321587:20:19493:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:16:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031321587:20:19493:49; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:13:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018765; 6 Sep 2002 14:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nJq8-0001LO-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:12:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86EBZQ16261 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:11:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86EBZm16258 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:11:35 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([80.7.0.9]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020906141134.PAVZ25423.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:11:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:10:28 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !SparkFS Message-ID: References: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> <4b71a38d4dpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling wrote: > >But that is exactly what I do. !SparkFS is on top of the list, immediately > >after: |Start RISCOS BootBoot 0.01 Boot > >All the others come after that. > >Or isn't this what you mean? > > I was thinking of the "desktop boot" file i.e. > > !Boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks.!Boot > > Which file are you talking about, and what do you do to run SparkFS in > it? The Filer_Run command queues things, and this is a potential source > of what you've apparently run not actually having run at a later time. > > Looking at the above filename, I have to admit I don't understand the > intricacies of !Boot. snipped > > -- > David Pilling Paul is using RiscOS 4.02 which has a revised !Boot and now uses a Configuration system for Booting which allows drag and drop setting up of which Apps/Modules/Utilities are Filer_Booted/Filer_Run/ Added to Resources Apps. This writes this information to the relevant Boot files. ie !Boot.Choices.Boot.Desktop for Filer_Booting and Filer_Running, Predesktop file for AddApp the !Boot file in tasks is depreciated The file Boot.Desktop is run as the last entry in Utils.Bootrun just before the desktop is reached the Desktop file deals with the hook folders, the tasks directory contents,Utilities and Printing then any configured (See Above ) items which are listed in this file in this form If there then filer_Run (Boot) for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:31:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031324819:20:21214:126; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:06:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020728; 6 Sep 2002 15:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17nKeb-0000Rk-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:04:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86F48r24774 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:04:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86F48e24768 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:04:08 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.50.6]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H20V6P02.HQ7 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:04:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:03:58 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] !SparkFS Message-ID: <4b71c5ecb3paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> <4b71a38d4dpaul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote: > !Boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks.!Boot That's interesting. I don't have such a file in the Tasks directory. I was referring to !Boot.Choices.Boot.Desktop which - I believe - is created using the Boot sequence option of RISC OS. That is: double click !Boot, click Boot and choose Look At or Run. !SparkFS is at the top of the my Run sequence. But perhaps I should create a Tasks.boot file manually? > there are in the Windows etc. world, utilities for fixing corrupt Zip > files. But how to transport a 10+ Mb zip file easily to a windows computer, if you don't have a CD-writer and the PC doesn't have a ProTeus drive? Perhaps these utilities can be ported to RISC OS, then? By a man named D. Pilling? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 6 16:31:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031325510:20:11719:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:31:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031325510:20:11719:49; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:18:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010168; 6 Sep 2002 15:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nKoB-0003oz-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:14:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86FDar26327 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:13:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86FDZr26322 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:13:35 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.53.126]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H20VMH01.NQM for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:13:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:12:46 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] !SparkFS Message-ID: <4b71c6baffpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> <4b71a38d4dpaul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Sorry, I was replying to soon to David Pillings comments. I hadn't yet read John Sandfords suggestion about putting an obey file in the Tasks directory. This does the trick, indeed. Thank you very much. Now only the repair utility for corrupt zip file is left open... Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 6 17:01:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031327658:10:00377:168".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:01:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031327658:10:00377:168; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:54:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ah1003747; 6 Sep 2002 15:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17nLQl-0000RS-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:53:59 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86Frsj00307 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:53:54 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86FrrF00304 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:53:53 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([80.7.0.9]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020906155353.IVMS13709.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:53:53 +0100 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:53:23 +0100 From: John Sandford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !SparkFS Message-ID: <2173ca714b.jms@ntlworld.com> References: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> <4b71a38d4dpaul@delink.nl> <4b71c5ecb3paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b71c5ecb3paul@delink.nl> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b71c5ecb3paul@delink.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: snipped > > > there are in the Windows etc. world, utilities for fixing corrupt Zip > > files. > But how to transport a 10+ Mb zip file easily to a windows computer, if you > don't have a CD-writer and the PC doesn't have a ProTeus drive? > Perhaps these utilities can be ported to RISC OS, then? > By a man named D. Pilling? > > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers Zerilink via parallel ports. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 6 18:16:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031332552:10:17742:195".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:16:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031332552:10:17742:195; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:15:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117017; 6 Sep 2002 17:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17nMh4-00040H-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:14:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86HDr311314 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:13:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from aether.demon.co.uk (aether.demon.co.uk [158.152.186.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86HDD911253 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:13:22 +0100 Received: from medusa.therealm ([192.168.0.5] helo=aether.demon.co.uk) by aether.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nMf2-000CJh-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:12:49 +0100 Received: from matthew by aether.demon.co.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.54beta4) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 06 Sep 2002 18:12:42 +0100 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:12:41 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: admin: suggestion Message-ID: References: <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b716430femlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b716430femlongley@eclipse.co.uk> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (RemoteNB/1.54beta4) (RISC-OS/4.29) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b716430femlongley@eclipse.co.uk> Martin Longley wrote: > In article <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: [snip] > > ArcFax: question, or maybe > > AF: question? > > But what do we put for 'the software that dare not speak it's name' > (frequently used in conjunction with a scanner)? Clearly: TSTDNSIN (Pronounced Tist-dn-sin) -- (\/)atthew )-(ambley ---------------\ If something's worth doing it's worth E-mail : matthew@aether.demon.co.uk \ doing badly until you can learn to Public key : C487AC52 \ do it well. Web : http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/ \----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 6 21:16:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031342686:10:10177:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:16:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031342686:10:10177:57; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:04:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129987; 6 Sep 2002 20:04 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nPKs-0002Ab-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:04:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86K3J628100 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:03:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.net [194.168.148.2]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86K3Iu28096 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:03:19 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-6-27.webport.bt.net [213.1.6.27]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g86L0MQ00782 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:00:22 GMT Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:56:25 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax: sending but not receiving? Message-ID: <0dbaca714b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <4b71ba3b40john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b71ba3b40john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b71ba3b40john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I purchased ArcFax some time ago but the need to use FAX disappeared at the > same time ;-( > I now need FAX facilities and have just made initial attempts: > > Receiving FAX has been a total failure: > log shows 6 fails in an attempt to send me one page > > Sending FAX *appears* to be OK: > log shows 1 FAX 'sent'. > > I'm using the Class1VA driver for a US Robotics Sportster Flash modem. > > Any advice on items to check for a typical manual misreading user - and > means of checking that it's working OK without annoying too many people? > I always find receiving a fax is more reliable if ArcFax answers automatically rather than picking up the phone and then switching over to fax. Get the sender to phone first, briefly, switch fax and wait for fax to be sent. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 6 23:46:17 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031351528:10:19787:83".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:46:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031351528:10:19787:83; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:32:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1020446; 6 Sep 2002 22:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17nRdr-0000rH-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:31:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86MVKm06581 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:31:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86MVJP06578 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:31:19 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17nRdG-0007Js-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:31:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:04:03 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !SparkFS Message-ID: <4b71ec6284Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b71c5ecb3paul@delink.nl> References: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> <4b71a38d4dpaul@delink.nl> <4b71c5ecb3paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b71c5ecb3paul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > But how to transport a 10+ Mb zip file easily to a windows ... You can do it by loading the file into any of the RO editors then saving consecutive chunks of - say - 1.2 M to separate files. Put the files onto different floppy disks and read them onto the PC's hard disk. You'd then have files named - say - A.ZIP B.ZIP and C.ZIP You can join them up again using the DOS COPY command with various switches. If the files contain (as they will if zipped, or if they are large .exe files etc) all the possible values that a particular byte may have (ie 0 through 255) then you have to tell DOS not to use one of those values as if it marks the end of a file, and instead use the actual total length of each file to say how big it is. The /b switch instructs DOS to treat files as true binary (ie copy every byte, not regard any of them as indicating end of file). A command like: COPY /b A.ZIP + B.ZIP + C.ZIP BIG.ZIP would copy the contents of the three smaller files into one new file named BIG.ZIP The plus-signs tell DOS that the contents of several files are being combined. Putting the /b before the filenames means it applies to them all but there are other options that allow different types of files to be combined. Note: this info is for IBM's PC DOS; I assume MS DOS is similar. You do need to be careful - eg splitting the file up on the RO machine - make sure that the sizes of the several small files add up to exactly the same amount as the counted size of the original file. Don't destroy the original - chop up a copy! Make sure that the reassembled file on the pc is the same size as the original. I do this so rarely that I always have to try it out before I do it for real. Experiment with some tiny files and you'll soon see exactly how it works. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 14:01:40 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031390254:20:02938:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:01:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031390254:20:02938:54; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 09:17:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003052; 7 Sep 2002 9:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nbiJ-0008Iu-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:17:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g879GZT05716 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:16:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g879GZg05713 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:16:35 +0100 Received: from [213.116.56.222] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nbhh-0006jP-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:16:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:48:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] admin: suggestion Message-ID: <4b721c6d6csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <003c53714b.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <003c53714b.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 05 Sep, Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > As the list covers all of DP's products can everyone start putting the > > product in question at the start of the subject line? I'd suggest we > > have values like: > > admin: like this email, covering general list-admin issues > > OP: ovation pro (I think typing out "ovation pro:" will > > waste too much of the space in a mail's subject line) > > ArcFax: question, or maybe > > AF: question? > Oh gawd. Something else to remember. Some of us are aging. :-) Quite common around the net. A typical example being the *.pratchett and similar newsgroups. There are markers for things that are spoilers for people who haven't read particular books, items that are Off Topic (OT) and more. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 14:01:44 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031390254:20:02922:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:01:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031390254:20:02922:54; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 09:17:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117411; 7 Sep 2002 9:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nbiJ-0008It-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:17:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g879GbU05723 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:16:37 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g879Gbq05719 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:16:37 +0100 Received: from [213.116.56.222] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nbhj-0006jP-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:16:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:51:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: admin: suggestion Message-ID: <4b721cab13steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b716430femlongley@eclipse.co.uk> References: <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b716430femlongley@eclipse.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 05 Sep, Martin Longley wrote: > In article <4b7141f837Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > As the list covers all of DP's products can everyone start putting the > > product in question at the start of the subject line? I'd suggest we > > have values like: > > admin: like this email, covering general list-admin issues > > OP: ovation pro (I think typing out "ovation pro:" will# > > waste too much of the space in a mail's subject line) > > ArcFax: question, or maybe > > AF: question? > But what do we put for 'the software that dare not speak it's name' > (frequently used in conjunction with a scanner)? It was sold with a specific name. For the moment just use the initials of that name. When David settles on a new name use the initial(s) of that. Should you feel there is amusement value, you could possibly use TSFKA at the beginning. > Martin Longley -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 14:31:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031404868:20:02401:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:31:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031404868:20:02401:43; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:21:08 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001750; 7 Sep 2002 13:20 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nfVU-0000D2-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:20:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g87DJgC26556 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:19:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g87DJfd26553 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:19:41 +0100 Received: from [62.188.122.125] (helo=62.188.122.125) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nfUw-0002OW-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:19:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:25:13 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b71e8d44acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4B70D003EA%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> <4b7141ccc5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >No use in this case because the modem is plugged into the back of the > >Barricade Router and accessed via IP not the serial port. > > > Speculation, but do RComp supply a 'block driver' that allows modem > programs to talk to the modem via the network. If so you'll be able to > use ArcFax via it. When I asked earlier in the year, I was told that ArcFAX was not a reliable method of communication and they provided to help/support whatsoever. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 15:01:37 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031407119:10:21705:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:01:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031407119:10:21705:40; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:58:39 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021650; 7 Sep 2002 13:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17ng6S-0002lI-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:58:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g87DwJj29251 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:58:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g87DwID29248 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:58:18 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17ng6M-0006j8-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:58:18 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:57:07 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box References: <4B70D003EA%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> <4b7141ccc5Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b71e8d44acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b71e8d44acharles.hope@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >When I asked earlier in the year, I was told that ArcFAX was not a >reliable method of communication and they provided to help/support >whatsoever. Hmm. well the idea of using block drivers is still open, if they provide such things. Perhaps they provide them for use with Hearsay or ArcTerm 7. As to the implied criticism. Depends, if it is of ArcFax, then perhaps they should do their own *reliable* fax program and fill the gap in the market. But it could be a quick way of pointing out the shortcomings in fax modems and the fax protocol. OTOH it may just be what one would say after a hard day struggling with the shortcomings of analogue modems, phone lines and Acorn serial ports (excluding ArcFax). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 20:39:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031427433:20:14683:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:39:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031427433:20:14683:61; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 19:37:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014783; 7 Sep 2002 19:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17nlO9-0003b1-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 20:37:01 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g87JZEk31569 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:35:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g87JZEQ31566 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:35:14 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17nlMP-00010q-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 20:35:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:34:31 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sat 07 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >When I asked earlier in the year, I was told that ArcFAX was not a > >reliable method of communication and they provided to help/support > >whatsoever. > > Hmm. well the idea of using block drivers is still open, if they provide > such things. Perhaps they provide them for use with Hearsay or ArcTerm > 7. > > As to the implied criticism. Depends, if it is of ArcFax, then perhaps > they should do their own *reliable* fax program and fill the gap in the > market. But it could be a quick way of pointing out the shortcomings in > fax modems and the fax protocol. > > OTOH it may just be what one would say after a hard day struggling with > the shortcomings of analogue modems, phone lines and Acorn serial ports > (excluding ArcFax). Well, personally, I can offer no criticism of ArcFax whatsoever. Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 21:09:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031429304:20:15423:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:09:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031429304:20:15423:41; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 20:08:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015253; 7 Sep 2002 20:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nlsD-0007y2-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:08:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g87K7vi01486 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:07:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g87K7v201481 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:07:57 +0100 Received: from riscpc01 ([194.106.52.185]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g87K7xCj017924 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:07:59 GMT Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:08:38 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (Newsbase/0.70) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.70-beta-2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message Stephen Parkin wrote: > Well, personally, I can offer no criticism of ArcFax whatsoever. Indeed. I regularly use ArcFax for both sending and receiving. I think it's brilliant! :) -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 21:39:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031430800:10:27160:67".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:39:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031430800:10:27160:67; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 20:33:20 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027294; 7 Sep 2002 20:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nmGW-00078O-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:33:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g87KX8A03209 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:33:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g87KX8503206 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:33:08 +0100 Received: from riscpc01 ([194.106.52.185]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g87KXACj018560 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:33:10 GMT Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:34:22 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Hearsay VT320 emulation infelicity. Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (Newsbase/0.70) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.70-beta-2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David, As you are aware, I make heavy use of Hearsay, mainly, now, via my Telnet block driver. There is one infelicity in the VT320 emulation which does cause me some difficulties from time to time, and I wonder whether it would be difficult to correct it. On a real VT320, the terminal will always recognise incoming escape sequences using either 7-bit or 8-bit codes - the 7/8-bit setting merely determines which form of escape sequence is transmitted. Hearsay will only recognise incoming escape sequences in the currently set mode. ie, if set to 8-bit, incoming 7-bit sequences will not be interpreted and vice-versa. How much effort would be involved in allowing Hearsay to recognise both 7 and 8-bit sequences, irrespective of which is the currently configured mode? (I have made similar alterations to some of the VMS-hosted application software with which I work to allow both 7 and 8-bit codes to be accepted). -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 22:09:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031432795:20:10521:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:09:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031432795:20:10521:40; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:06:35 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010506; 7 Sep 2002 21:06 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17nmmb-0003oa-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:06:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g87L5mn05299 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:05:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g87L5lB05295 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:05:47 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17nmm2-0005sL-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:05:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:05:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b726ad563john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> References: <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 07 Sep, Peter Bell wrote: > In message > Stephen Parkin wrote: > > Well, personally, I can offer no criticism of ArcFax whatsoever. > Indeed. I regularly use ArcFax for both sending and receiving. I > think it's brilliant! :) I've just started to use ArcFAX and managed 100% success on sending and 100% failure on receiving ... .. then I read the instructions properly and found that clicking on various parts of the screen as a FAX was starting to be received was neither useful nor required. I'm hoping for 100% success in both directions by relaxing and letting the software do the work. ;-) -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 22:24:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031433274:10:01221:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:24:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031433274:10:01221:55; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:14:34 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119118; 7 Sep 2002 21:14 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nmu5-0000Tm-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:14:05 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g87LE0w05758 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:14:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g87LE0r05748 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:14:00 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust157.tnt16.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.126.157] with SMTP for id XAA14071 (8.8.8/1.3); Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:13:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00ad01c256b3$a0d67860$0100a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4b71154be6paul@delink.nl> <4b71a38d4dpaul@delink.nl> <4b71c5ecb3paul@delink.nl> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !SparkFS Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:44:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Fri 06 Sep, "Paul Sprangers" wrote: > But how to transport a 10+ Mb zip file easily to a windows computer, if you > don't have a CD-writer and the PC doesn't have a ProTeus drive? !Split. Freeware. RISC OS version on RO 4.02 CD: Freesoft.Utils Versions for many OS's exist. Try AcornSearch (or another site). -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 22:54:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031434965:20:13394:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:54:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031434965:20:13394:65; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:42:45 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108143; 7 Sep 2002 21:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nnLg-0002Pj-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:42:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g87LgSF07358 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:42:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (murphys.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.225]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g87LgSX07355 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:42:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 5442 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 21:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO barry) (212.159.102.184) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 21:42:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:42:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b726e3918barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> References: <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com>, Peter Bell wrote: > In message > Stephen Parkin wrote: > > Well, personally, I can offer no criticism of ArcFax whatsoever. > Indeed. I regularly use ArcFax for both sending and receiving. I > think it's brilliant! :) I must admit I've not used the latest drivers, but I soon gave up on expecting ArcFax to discriminate between a voice call and a fax. Indeed should the latest software be able to do this? I eventually used a fairly successful system to receive faxes, by combining ArcFax with CallerID. As soon as a fax number was recognised it switched on ArcFax to receive the fax. The only problem then, which was not a problem for me, was when I got faxes from an unexpected source. CallerID usually knew all the numbers that I expected faxes from. I don't use it to receive faxes now 'cos my ISP provides a free Fax to email service. I do still use it when I'm on the 'phone to someone and they fax me something while the line is still open. As for sending faxes, I still use it regularly and very successfully. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 23:24:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031436918:10:16884:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:24:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031436918:10:16884:72; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:15:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016916; 7 Sep 2002 22:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nnrA-00059O-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:15:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g87MERG09657 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:14:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g87MER009650 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:14:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17nnqV-0000XO-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:14:27 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:13:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box References: <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> <4b726e3918barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b726e3918barry@e-allen.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I must admit I've not used the latest drivers, but I soon gave up on >expecting ArcFax to discriminate between a voice call and a fax. Indeed >should the latest software be able to do this? It was a common misapprehension that ArcFax (it's the modem really) would be able to detect the difference between a fax and a voice call, perhaps before the phone rang, but at least in such a way that the phone would ring out for voice calls, whilst fax calls would be picked up. The electrical way modems work precludes that. Yes modems can tell a voice call from a fax, but only after going off hook, answering the call, and probably beeping at the caller. Having found there isn't an electronic buddy at the other end, there is no way back for them to set the phone ringing again. Supra (name from the distant past) claimed their modems listened to the line between the ringing signal and could so detect fax calls before answering. I've no idea if this worked, and if it worked in the UK. Other modem makers did not adopt this technique. Your best bet for this sort of thing is a fax switch - again most of them answer the call before attempting to discriminate between fax and voice. But they are capable of ringing your phone for voice calls. Another good idea, is 'selective ring' where your phone company gives you two numbers for one line and they produce a different ringing tone. Again some modems can detect the different ring signals. I think the odd person in New Zealand has got this going with ArcFax. However BT introduced the feature too late and I don't know if modems that can sense the BT system are available. I've found the best thing is to have Demon DFax - an ISP service that gives me a dedicated fax number and emails the faxes to me - for receiving faxes, and to have ArcFax for sending them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 7 23:54:46 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031439175:10:16202:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:54:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031439175:10:16202:40; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:52:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015732; 7 Sep 2002 22:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17noQt-0007ub-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:52:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g87MpuY11685 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:51:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (warrior.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.227]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g87MpuD11681 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:51:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 19485 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 22:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO barry) (212.159.102.184) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 22:51:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:47:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b72742d2cbarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> <4b726e3918barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > Your best bet for this sort of thing is a fax switch - again most of > them answer the call before attempting to discriminate between fax > and voice. But they are capable of ringing your phone for voice Yep, I used one of these for some years with about 95% success rate. The other 5% was a touch annoying. :o)) Using !CallerID with ArcFax was about 99.5% successful and 'Fax to email' 99.9% successful. I can't say 100% because one person said that 'once' they could not send me a fax. > I've found the best thing is to have Demon DFax - an ISP service that > gives me a dedicated fax number and emails the faxes to me - for > receiving faxes, and to have ArcFax for sending them. Yes I use a similar system with PlusNet. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 8 00:24:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031440566:20:07760:67".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:24:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031440566:20:07760:67; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:16:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007889; 7 Sep 2002 23:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17nonp-0007Mf-00; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 00:15:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g87NFDF13466 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:15:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g87NFCh13463 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:15:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17nonI-0001Uz-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 00:15:12 +0100 Message-ID: <5BZqglGDhoe9EwbB@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:14:11 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hearsay VT320 emulation infelicity. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >On a real VT320, the terminal will always recognise incoming escape >sequences using either 7-bit or 8-bit codes - the 7/8-bit setting >merely determines which form of escape sequence is transmitted. My researches show that Hearsay has a 7/8 bit flag (the same thing as can be set from the options window), that as you say controls if it accepts 7 or 8 bit codes. So just set that to 8 bit mode... This flag is not under the control of the terminal, whatever state you set it to will persist. Now in addition, the terminal has an internal flag which controls if it sends 7 or 8 bit codes. That flag can be toggled by incoming escape sequences. The only connection between the two is that on terminal boot, the code flag is initialised to the same state as the 7/8 bit flag. Which makes a sort of sense. Supposing that you want a terminal which accepts 8 bit codes to boot up with 7 bit code sending, then I guess you could use a bit of Hearsay script code to send the terminal the codes to switch to that state. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 8 18:17:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031505373:10:06035:67".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:17:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031505373:10:06035:67; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:16:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006288; 8 Sep 2002 17:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17o5fE-0004C8-00; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:16:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g88HEJc29349 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:14:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g88HE1P29317 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:14:02 +0100 Received: from [62.188.122.128] (helo=62.188.122.128) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17o5d5-0001Kc-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:13:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 15:57:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b72ccf919charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> <4b726e3918barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , > I've found the best thing is to have Demon DFax - an ISP service that > gives me a dedicated fax number and emails the faxes to me - for > receiving faxes, How does this work with text and pictures, or are you simply e-mailed at bit image which you have to look at in IM? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 8 19:32:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031509512:10:05663:142".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:32:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031509512:10:05663:142; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:25:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006505; 8 Sep 2002 18:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17o6jt-0007g0-00; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:24:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g88HOn630304 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:24:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g88HOb430279 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:24:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17o5nY-000FIf-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:24:36 +0100 Message-ID: <$Q57kBBDe4e9Ew70@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:23:15 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box References: <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> <4b726e3918barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4b72ccf919charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b72ccf919charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> I've found the best thing is to have Demon DFax - an ISP service that >> gives me a dedicated fax number and emails the faxes to me - for >> receiving faxes, >How does this work with text and pictures, or are you simply e-mailed at >bit image which you have to look at in IM? A fax is a big black and white bitmap image. Text and pictures are just dots in that image. If you send a fax to the number below, a TIFF file shows up in my mail box. I click on it, and this mail program automatically displays the TIFF file. It's similar to ArcFax, Fax's in that are always TIFF files. As soon as you hit print to generate a fax, any information about pictures etc. is gone. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 8 20:02:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031511012:10:27830:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:02:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031511012:10:27830:44; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:50:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027354; 8 Sep 2002 18:49 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17o77i-0002vv-00; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:49:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g88Imc105850 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:48:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g88ImQS05830 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:48:28 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17o76f-000DFS-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:48:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:47:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b72e21061Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b72ccf919charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> <4b726e3918barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4b72ccf919charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b72ccf919charles.hope@argonet.co.uk>, charles.hope wrote: > In article , > > I've found the best thing is to have Demon DFax - an ISP service that > > gives me a dedicated fax number and emails the faxes to me - for > > receiving faxes, > How does this work with text and pictures, or are you simply e-mailed > at bit image which you have to look at in IM? A fax only ever is a picture anyway so presumably the whole thing gets emailed as a low resolution image? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 8 20:32:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031513116:10:28154:45".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:32:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031513116:10:28154:45; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:25:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027872; 8 Sep 2002 19:24 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17o7fl-0001f7-00; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:24:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g88JIcS08693 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:18:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g88JIPp08677 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:18:26 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17o7Zg-0000W5-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:18:24 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:17:45 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b72e21061Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sun 08 Sep, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4b72ccf919charles.hope@argonet.co.uk>, > charles.hope wrote: > > In article , > > > > I've found the best thing is to have Demon DFax - an ISP service that > > > gives me a dedicated fax number and emails the faxes to me - for > > > receiving faxes, > > > How does this work with text and pictures, or are you simply e-mailed > > at bit image which you have to look at in IM? > > A fax only ever is a picture anyway so presumably the whole thing gets > emailed as a low resolution image? > The resolution is the same as that of the original fax. I use the same service as DP. If anyone who doesn't have this facility would like to see an example of the output, they could send me a fax and I'd email the result back to them. Number available on request. Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 8 22:17:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031519023:20:16641:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:17:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031519023:20:16641:66; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 21:03:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016610; 8 Sep 2002 21:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17o9DB-0002AM-00; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:03:18 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g88L1vu17890 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:01:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g88L1kC17877 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:01:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17o9Bg-000P7A-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:01:44 +0100 Message-ID: <$TyLUfCvp7e9Ewrd@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:00:31 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box References: <4b72e21061Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I use the same service as DP. If anyone who doesn't have this facility would >like to see an example of the output, they could send me a fax and I'd email >the result back to them. Anyone taking your offer up would need a program to display the fax. On the Acorn, there is my scanning software (called 'SpriteScope' at the moment), and there's also ArcFax - just drag to the icon bar icon. As it happens ArcFax is 10 years old this month. To handle the faxes that demon sends out you need a relatively recent version of ArcFax. Version 1.19 of ArcFax is available from my web site. http://www.davidpilling.net/arcfax.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 00:17:44 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031526223:20:09581:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:17:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031526223:20:09581:41; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 23:03:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009487; 8 Sep 2002 23:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oB5L-0000HW-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 00:03:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g88N1cM26276 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:01:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g88N1Pc26265 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:01:26 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g88N1QCj002558 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:01:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 23:59:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b72f91c76ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , Stephen Parkin wrote: > Well, personally, I can offer no criticism of ArcFax whatsoever. Except the number of stored faxes is still limited with RISC OS 4 and ArcFax suddenly warns you it can't store any more. Otherwise it works very well, and has done for years. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 00:32:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031527669:10:12794:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:32:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031527669:10:12794:43; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 23:27:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012437; 8 Sep 2002 23:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oBSQ-0004Gf-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 00:27:10 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g88NQHS27515 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:26:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g88NQ4Q27505 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:26:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17oBRK-00035K-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 00:26:03 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:24:59 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box References: <4b72f91c76ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b72f91c76ray@raydawson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Except the number of stored faxes is still limited with RISC OS 4 and >ArcFax suddenly warns you it can't store any more. Err... I could have sworn 1.19 deals with this. A "the inbox is getting full" warning and the ability to turn it off? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 13:49:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031554021:10:17866:80".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:49:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031554021:10:17866:80; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 06:47:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017781; 9 Sep 2002 6:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oIJk-00059f-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 07:46:40 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g896jFk13545 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 07:45:15 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g896iwx13518 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 07:44:58 +0100 Received: from [62.188.122.103] (helo=62.188.122.103) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oII3-0004Wu-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 07:44:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:59:34 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.34 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax: sending but not receiving? Message-Id: 2452524.2059344roger.foden@argonet.co.uk In-Reply-To: <4b71ba3b40john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Fri 6 Sep 2002 (13:56:14 +0100), john@cartmell.demon.co.uk wrote: > I purchased ArcFax some time ago but the need to use FAX disappeared at > the same time ;-( > I now need FAX facilities and have just made initial attempts: > > Receiving FAX has been a total failure: > log shows 6 fails in an attempt to send me one page > > Sending FAX *appears* to be OK: > log shows 1 FAX 'sent'. > > I'm using the Class1VA driver for a US Robotics Sportster Flash modem. > > Any advice on items to check for a typical manual misreading user - and > means of checking that it's working OK without annoying too many > people? > I have ArcFax and use a USRobotics Sportster Voice 33.6 Faxmodem. All attempts to use anything but the standard USR1 modem meet with failure at some time: various other fax machines can either receive but not send, send but not receive. After a great deal of experimentation (involving sending/receiving trial faxes to/from patient friends and acquaintances) I gave up on the other drivers and settled on the good old reliable (so far!!!) USR1. When I upgraded to v1.19 the standard driver was 1VA. This failed to send to a machine which had received previously; the data was sent over and over again; no closing code seemed to be sent/accepted. Back to USR1. It seems that despite the 'conventions' Class 2.0, 2, voice, etc are at the whim of individual manufactures. Try USR1; and good luck! Regards Roger -- ___ n_ Roger & Jacki Foden \ ) (^o\. /^\ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ | | /_ / |___| roger.foden@argonet.co.uk / \/ \/ \_ _/ jacki.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Walking or Botanising in Greece? sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 14:34:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031578049:10:24407:76".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:34:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031578049:10:24407:76; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:27:29 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024215; 9 Sep 2002 13:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oOYJ-0001II-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:26:07 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89CPCs32354 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:25:12 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89CP2N32300 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:25:03 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g89CP3Cj009557 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:25:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:19:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b734261c1ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4b72f91c76ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Except the number of stored faxes is still limited with RISC OS 4 and > >ArcFax suddenly warns you it can't store any more. > Err... I could have sworn 1.19 deals with this. A "the inbox is getting > full" warning and the ability to turn it off? So it does. As I treated 1.19 as a new installation and it hasn't got to the limit yet I hadn't noticed the new config option. Ok, so now Arcfax does everything I want :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 15:34:03 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031581619:10:14903:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:34:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031581619:10:14903:53; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:26:59 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125779; 9 Sep 2002 14:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oPUO-0004si-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:26:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89D8AY08374 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:08:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89D80T08347 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:08:00 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g89D7vF08114 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:07:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from w12wcxf01.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:07:55 +0100 Received: by w12wcxf01.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:07:55 +0100 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9987C@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'softwarelist@davidpilling.net'" Subject: [softwarelist] Duplex Printing Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:07:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I am considering purchasing a Duplex Printer and to print using Postscript. What driver should I use and how is it configured? It is of course possible that I (like many others on the list) am having trouble with my eyesight! Apologies if I am and thanks in advance. Michael BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 15:34:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031581590:20:06723:80".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:34:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031581590:20:06723:80; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:26:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101407; 9 Sep 2002 14:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oPUD-0004si-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:25:57 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89AfE512464 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:41:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89Af4E12418 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:41:05 +0100 Received: from [62.188.120.198] (helo=62.188.120.198) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oLyX-0000dM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:41:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 23:22:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <4b72f5b5a4charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$Q57kBBDe4e9Ew70@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <63a765724b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> <4b726e3918barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4b72ccf919charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> <$Q57kBBDe4e9Ew70@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <$Q57kBBDe4e9Ew70@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> I've found the best thing is to have Demon DFax - an ISP service that > >> gives me a dedicated fax number and emails the faxes to me - for > >> receiving faxes, > >How does this work with text and pictures, or are you simply e-mailed > >a bit image which you have to look at in IM? > A fax is a big black and white bitmap image. Text and pictures are just > dots in that image. If you send a fax to the number below, a TIFF file > shows up in my mail box. I click on it, and this mail program > automatically displays the TIFF file. Ah, I wondered if the bit map had been OCRed, but obviously not. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 15:34:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031581590:20:06765:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:34:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031581590:20:06765:68; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:26:30 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101473; 9 Sep 2002 14:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oPU5-0004si-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:25:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89DCRA09165 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:12:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89DCKL09133 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:12:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17oOKx-00051q-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:12:19 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:10:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFax: sending but not receiving? References: <4b71ba3b40john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <2452524.2059344roger.foden@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2452524.2059344roger.foden@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Try USR1; and good luck! This is what is difficult. For your particular modem and probably for the particular version of the firmware inside it your advice is fair enough. But for others it may be wrong. With the USR modems I suspect there was a bit of specification drift, they set off with some non-standard features which required a special driver, and as time passed they became more standard. By and large USR/3Com modems were pretty good. I had about six of them (all different), and only one was useless. If I'd bought just one how much use would my opinion be? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 15:49:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031582557:20:03727:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:49:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031582557:20:03727:61; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:42:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002959; 9 Sep 2002 14:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oPjN-000723-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:41:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89Ef9G25866 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:41:09 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89Ef9V25862 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:41:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17oPiu-000IBR-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:41:09 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:39:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplex Printing References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9987C@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9987C@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I am considering purchasing a Duplex Printer and to print using Postscript. >What driver should I use and how is it configured? You might glance back at the discussion on the OP list when I got my HP Laser Jet 4050 with Duplex unit around June 2000. I just use the normal PostScript driver, when I want to do duplex I use the controls on the printer to set it into duplex mode and then print as normal. Plan B is to set up a copy of the PS driver of your choice which is customised by adding PS commands to set the printer into duplex mode. That way you can switch between duplex and normal printing just by selecting the printer driver. Mijas Software have a program to help with duplexing on RISC OS (aimed at Impression users). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 16:19:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031584098:20:12689:91".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:19:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031584098:20:12689:91; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:08:18 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108024; 9 Sep 2002 15:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oQ8h-0003z2-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:07:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89F7eH31236 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:07:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89F7dU31232 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:07:39 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g89F7bF06243 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:07:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:07:33 +0100 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:07:33 +0100 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9987D@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'softwarelist@davidpilling.net'" Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Duplex Printing Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:07:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist David Pilling wrote > Mijas Software have a program to help with duplexing on RISC OS (aimed > at Impression users). But the Mijas software is PCL only (I think). Michael Michael Hunter BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 17:19:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031587723:10:20794:154".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:19:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031587723:10:20794:154; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:08:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021774; 9 Sep 2002 16:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oR4S-0005PO-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:07:28 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89G5qd10349 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:05:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89G5p810346 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:05:51 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17oR2s-0001Xe-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:05:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:05:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] ArcFAX & using Demon DFAX Message-ID: <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id g89G5p810347 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I seem to be achieving some sort of success - I've managed to send a FAX to myself! Using ArcFax I've sent a FAX to DFAX [Demon users just ring 0800 027 9200 and a one off payment of 23.48 will be taken in 12 months time]. This gives me the FAX number 08700519527. Using ArcFax I sent a FAX to my number and received an e-mail some time later that had a TIFF as an attachment - containing my FAX. But ... The quality wasn't too good. Is there any way of improving the quality - it seems to be worse than FAXes received from me by other people? -- John Cartmell editor@acornpublisher.com Acorn Publisher magazine www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 17:34:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031588993:20:25815:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:34:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031588993:20:25815:58; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:29:53 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025587; 9 Sep 2002 16:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oRPb-00026W-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:29:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89GTDa14425 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:29:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (warrior.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.227]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g89GTCs14420 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:29:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 5796 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 16:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO barry) (212.159.102.184) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 16:29:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:28:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFAX & using Demon DFAX Message-ID: <4b73592cc7barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > The quality wasn't too good. Is there any way of improving the > quality - it seems to be worse than FAXes received from me by other > people? What are you using to read it? I find that if I use Imagemaster then the quality does not seem as good but if I drag it into ArcFax to view it, either by dragging it into the RXBatch window, or dragging the file onto the icon bar icon then the quality is better. Is there some anti aliasing going in within ArcFax? -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 17:34:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031589097:20:28905:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:34:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031589097:20:28905:52; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:31:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109205; 9 Sep 2002 16:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oRQn-0002Om-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:30:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89GUSu14690 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:30:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (marstons.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.223]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g89GURj14687 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:30:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 12130 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Sep 2002 17:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO barry) (212.159.102.184) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 17:34:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:30:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFAX & using Demon DFAX Message-ID: <4b735953e3barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > I seem to be achieving some sort of success - I've managed to send a > FAX to myself! Using ArcFax I've sent a FAX to DFAX [Demon users just > ring 0800 027 9200 and a one off payment of 23.48 will be taken in > 12 months time]. With a PlusNet ADSL 512 account 22.99UKP per month, fax to email is free, or part of the account anyway. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 17:49:05 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031589817:10:29121:804".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:49:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031589817:10:29121:804; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:43:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022660; 9 Sep 2002 16:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oRco-0005On-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:42:58 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89GgsB16366 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:42:54 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89GgrK16361 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:42:53 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17oRce-000DKc-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:42:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:41:57 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFAX & using Demon DFAX To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Mon 09 Sep, John Cartmell wrote: > I seem to be achieving some sort of success - I've managed to send a FAX to > myself! > Using ArcFax I've sent a FAX to DFAX [Demon users just ring 0800 027 9200 > and a one off payment of 23.48 will be taken in 12 months time]. > > This gives me the FAX number 08700519527. > > Using ArcFax I sent a FAX to my number and received an e-mail some time > later that had a TIFF as an attachment - containing my FAX. But ... > > The quality wasn't too good. Is there any way of improving the quality - it > seems to be worse than FAXes received from me by other people? > What resolution do you have the ArcFax printer driver set to? Make sure this is 204x196 dpi. Also, try fiddling with the ArcFax viewer's 'Process' options. Perhaps you used 'David Pilling's scanner software' to view the fax instead of ArcFax? In which case the image will look nasty unless you zoom in. Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 18:02:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031590281:20:01755:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:02:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031590281:20:01755:58; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:51:21 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100177; 9 Sep 2002 16:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oRjo-0006B9-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:50:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89Go6W21569 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:50:06 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89Go6t21556 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:50:06 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17oRjh-000Eb4-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:50:06 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:49:24 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <$TyLUfCvp7e9Ewrd@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Sun 08 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > I use the same service as DP. If anyone who doesn't have this facility > > would like to see an example of the output, they could send me a fax and > > I'd email the result back to them. > > Anyone taking your offer up would need a program to display the fax. On > the Acorn, there is my scanning software (called 'SpriteScope' at the > moment), and there's also ArcFax - just drag to the icon bar icon. This is true, of course. I was working under the assumption that everyone on here has either one or the other (or both) :-) > > As it happens ArcFax is 10 years old this month. Stop it, you're making me feel old... > > To handle the faxes that demon sends out you need a relatively recent > version of ArcFax. Version 1.19 of ArcFax is available from my web site. > > http://www.davidpilling.net/arcfax.html > Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 18:02:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031590424:10:21199:1328".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:02:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031590424:10:21199:1328; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:53:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118013; 9 Sep 2002 16:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oRmr-000878-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:53:21 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89GrKl24599 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:53:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89GrJf24595 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:53:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17oRmp-0003OU-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:53:19 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:52:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFAX & using Demon DFAX References: <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4b73592cc7barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b73592cc7barry@e-allen.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> The quality wasn't too good. Is there any way of improving the >> quality - it seems to be worse than FAXes received from me by other >> people? >Is there some anti aliasing going in within ArcFax? Yes, ArcFax alias's faxes on screen. See the Process settings available from the fax viewer menu. There's a catch here if you save a fax as a sprite, since you get the sprite using the current processing options. Poor quality can be just an artefact of the screen display (as with any bitmap). How do you see your way around that? Click on the Rational button in SpriteScope or print it out to paper. You can actually choose the quality of faxes - between low resolution 100x200 dpi or high 200x200. See Fax choices in ArcFax for the button. (and also the printer driver ISTR). Since you generated the fax in ArcFax, you can double click the TIFF in the TXBatch window and compare what you sent with what you got back. You can also load the original TIFF into SpriteScope. So the only question is if you're happy with the original faxes you are generating. If not then you can think about using thicker fonts. As to DFax, its status varies wildly, between free and not available at any price. Depends who you ask and the day of the week. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 18:02:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031590445:10:00104:735".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:02:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031590445:10:00104:735; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:54:05 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008571; 9 Sep 2002 16:51 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oRlL-0007hg-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:51:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89GpkN23423 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:51:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89Gpjp23404 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:51:45 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([62.49.28.232] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17oRlJ-000EqV-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:51:45 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:51:09 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFAX & using Demon DFAX To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b73592cc7barry@e-allen.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Mon 09 Sep, Barry E Allen wrote: > In article <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > wrote: > > The quality wasn't too good. Is there any way of improving the > > quality - it seems to be worse than FAXes received from me by other > > people? > > What are you using to read it? > > I find that if I use Imagemaster then the quality does not seem as good > but if I drag it into ArcFax to view it, either by dragging it into the > RXBatch window, or dragging the file onto the icon bar icon then the > quality is better. > > Is there some anti aliasing going in within ArcFax? > Yes. Have a play with the 'Process' options in the viewer. Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 18:32:26 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031592596:10:00794:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:32:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031592596:10:00794:57; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:29:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000275; 9 Sep 2002 17:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oSLd-0004Ix-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:29:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89HSlu29569 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:28:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from FUSNWR01-LRS ([62.172.195.14]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89HSkf29564 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:28:46 +0100 Received: from [217.39.212.251] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by FUSNWR01-LRS with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17oSL2-0000Wm-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:28:40 +0100 Received: from Baskerville.english.co.uk (10.0.1.2) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:20:31 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020909180632.00a18d30@wheresmymailserver.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:18:12 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Graddol Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Duplex Printing In-Reply-To: References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9987C@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9987C@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 15:39 09/09/02, you wrote: >>I am considering purchasing a Duplex Printer and to print using Postscript. >>What driver should I use and how is it configured? > >You might glance back at the discussion on the OP list when I got my HP >Laser Jet 4050 with Duplex unit around June 2000. > >I just use the normal PostScript driver, when I want to do duplex I use >the controls on the printer to set it into duplex mode and then print as >normal. > >Plan B is to set up a copy of the PS driver of your choice which is >customised by adding PS commands to set the printer into duplex mode. That >way you can switch between duplex and normal printing just by selecting >the printer driver. We have run a PS printer across our network which is shared by several machines (using lpr on the RiscOS machines). We set up a PS printer driver, ensuring the appropriate fragments of PS are in the right 'paper feeds' directory. You can then select (shift-select on the printers icon) whatever mode you want before printing. I recall it's easier with some versions of !printers, but I can't remember which cause the problem. If I have a more complex setup - such as getting the printer to print 40 copies of a multi-page duplex pamphlet, then I might print to a file and open the file in !Edit long enough to drop in the necessary job specification code (kept set up in another textfile). So there's Plan C and Plan D. David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 19:02:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031594289:20:16780:50".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:02:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031594289:20:16780:50; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:58:09 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016506; 9 Sep 2002 17:57 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oSnK-0000SB-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:57:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89HvnD00596 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:57:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89HvmF00593 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:57:48 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17oSnD-0000l4-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:57:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:56:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFAX & using Demon DFAX Message-ID: <4b73614487john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4b73592cc7barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 09 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Since you generated the fax in ArcFax, you can double click the TIFF in > the TXBatch window and compare what you sent with what you got back. You > can also load the original TIFF into SpriteScope. After all those very helpful responses I've dropped the reply TIFF onto the ArcFax icon and the quality is excellent - as someone guessed, I was using SpriteScope before. It's worth noting that the quality of the returned FAX is very little different from the original - and much better than the dedicated FAX machine that I used some time ago. BTW David's suggestion of using thicker fonts was something I was about to consider but those of you who know the Acorn Publisher logo would appreciate that it would lose something in that transition. Is it possible to give Spritescope the viewing quality of ArcFax or would that cause problems elsewhere? As I use SS for loading practically all odd graphics files this could be very helpful. Many thanks everyone. -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 19:02:18 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031594287:20:15378:120".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:02:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031594287:20:15378:120; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:58:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105424; 9 Sep 2002 17:57 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oSnK-0000SA-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:57:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89HvlO00591 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:57:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89HvlQ00588 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:57:47 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17oSnC-0000l4-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:57:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:41:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] ArcFAX & using Demon DFAX Message-ID: <4b735fd0d4john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b73570c92john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 09 Sep, Stephen Parkin wrote: > In on Mon 09 Sep, John Cartmell wrote: > > I seem to be achieving some sort of success - I've managed to send a > > FAX to myself! Using ArcFax I've sent a FAX to DFAX [Demon users just > > ring 0800 027 9200 and a one off payment of 23.48 will be taken in 12 > > months time]. > > > > This gives me the FAX number 08700519527. > > > > Using ArcFax I sent a FAX to my number and received an e-mail some > > time later that had a TIFF as an attachment - containing my FAX. But > > ... > > > > The quality wasn't too good. Is there any way of improving the quality > > - it seems to be worse than FAXes received from me by other people? > > > What resolution do you have the ArcFax printer driver set to? Make sure > this is 204x196 dpi. Yes > Perhaps you used 'David Pilling's scanner software' to view the fax > instead of ArcFax? In which case the image will look nasty unless you > zoom in. ? I will look at options with this. thanks! -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 20:17:17 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031598208:20:23484:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:17:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031598208:20:23484:42; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 19:03:28 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023254; 9 Sep 2002 19:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oToF-0002cP-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:02:55 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89J2Mq09867 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:02:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89J2LO09864 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:02:21 +0100 Received: from [62.188.142.158] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oTnV-0003Xf-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:02:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:01:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Duplex Printing Message-ID: <4b73672389gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9987C@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I am considering purchasing a Duplex Printer and to print using > >Postscript. What driver should I use and how is it configured? > You might glance back at the discussion on the OP list when I got my HP > Laser Jet 4050 with Duplex unit around June 2000. > I just use the normal PostScript driver, when I want to do duplex I use > the controls on the printer to set it into duplex mode and then print > as normal. > Plan B is to set up a copy of the PS driver of your choice which is > customised by adding PS commands to set the printer into duplex mode. > That way you can switch between duplex and normal printing just by > selecting the printer driver. The other way is to make a copy of the PS Level 2 driver and alter it to use other paper feeds by adding 'feed_choices: Printers:ps.Feeds.xxxx' where xxxx is the name of a directory such as HP4050 Then add the directory in !Boot.Choices.Printers.ps.Feeds (!Printers 1.64) The directory should contain a file for each feed, containing the required PostScript code to switch the printer to the desired settings. The settings can be found by looking through the Windows/Mac PPD file that came with the Printer's driver disc, or by installing the driver under Windows and printing to file and studying the output. [Warning long post follows] [I would have used attachments but not sure if this list accepts them] Here is the setup for our HP 8150DN. I think most HP duplex units should use the same codes, so this maybe helpful to others. The HP8150DN is an A3 Duplex Network printer with 2 lower feed trays(2+3) and a manual feed that can be set as Manual or Tray1 (using as tray1 allows it to continue with paper from trays 2 and 3 when the paper runs out in the manual feeder) The Feed menu in !Printers configuration window now presents: Default printer settings ----------------------------------- Manual feed (tray1) Tray 1 Tray 2 Tray 3 Duplex, Manual - Land (Short) Duplex, Tray 1 - Land (Short) Duplex, Tray 2 - Land (Short) Duplex, Tray 3 - Land (Short) Duplex, Manual - Portrait (Long) Duplex, Tray 1 - Portrait (Long) Duplex, Tray 2 - Portrait (Long) Duplex, Tray 3 - Portrait (Long) i.e. for each tray you can choose single sided, Duplex Landscape (short side flipped) or Duplex Portrait (long side flipped). The altered PS driver (unSquashed) - FileType: PrntDefn (&fc6) NB: The 2 lines that begin with %%Begin feature: have broken in the email editor they should each be on one line starting with %%BeginFeature, and ending with %%EndFeature. These are unaltered from the standard PS PDF. ---------- # PrData file for a HP8150DN # [based on generic Level 2 PostScript printer (PS class)] cl: ps pr_nme: HP8150 sh_nme: HP8150 sp_nme: pshp pxres: 600 pyres: 600 pxres_halftone: 600/8 pyres_halftone: 600/8 prologue2: PSprolog2 manual_feed: %%BeginFeature: ManualFeed False|Jstatusdict begin /manualfeed false store end|J%%EndFeature %%BeginFeature: ManualFeed True|Jstatusdict begin /manualfeed true store end|J%%EndFeature colour: 1 font_alias: font_list: fonts: 0 supports_fast_parallel: 0 pslevel: 2 feed_choices: Printers:ps.Feeds.HP8150 default_paper_size: A4HP (LJet 8150) ---------- The following files are in !Boot.Choices.Printers.ps.Feeds.HP8150 FileType: PoScript (&ff5) NB: The first character of the filename is numbered so !Printers will read each file in turn and create the feed menu in the correct order. To re-order the menu just renumber accordingly. BTW the translate and scale functions are there 'cause the HP can't measure properly, yours may not need them. ---- Filename: 0manual ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Manual feed (tray1) %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 1 (Manual) <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- ---- Filename: 1tray1 ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Tray 1 %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 1 <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- ---- Filename: 2tray2 ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Tray 2 %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 2 <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- ---- Filename: 3tray3 ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Tray 3 %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 3 was 2.50 <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- ---- Filename: 4Dup-M-Lnd ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Duplex, Manual - Land (Short) %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 1 (Manual) <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- ---- Filename: 5Dup-1-Lnd ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Duplex, Tray 1 - Land (Short) %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 1 <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- ---- Filename: 6Dup-2-Lnd ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Duplex, Tray 2 - Land (Short) %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 2 <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- ---- Filename: 7Dup-3-Lnd ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Duplex, Tray 3 - Land (Short) %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 3 <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- ---- Filename: 8Dup-M-Prt ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Duplex, Manual - Portrait (Long) %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 1 (Manual) <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- ---- Filename: 9Dup-1-Prt ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Duplex, Tray 1 - Portrait (Long) %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 1 <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- ---- Filename: aDup-2-Prt ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Duplex, Tray 2 - Portrait (Long) %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 2 <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- ---- Filename: bDup-3-Prt ---- %%RISCOS_FeedName: Duplex, Tray 3 - Portrait (Long) %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Tray 3 <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice <> setpagedevice %%EndFeature ---------- Hope that is some use to someone, if not sorry for the long post. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 21:32:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031603232:20:14407:181".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:32:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031603232:20:14407:181; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:27:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014704; 9 Sep 2002 20:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oV6m-0003gD-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:26:08 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89KPZR19371 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:25:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89KPYl19367 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:25:34 +0100 Received: from stsm.demon.co.uk ([158.152.56.146]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17oV6D-00052z-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:25:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From:(Tony Pay) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFAX & using Demon DFAX In-Reply-To: <4b73614487john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:24:39 +0100 Message-ID: <20020909.212439.20@stsm.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: TTFN version 0.43 (Acorn RISC OS) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:56:55 +0100, john@cartmell.demon.co.uk said: > Is it possible to give Spritescope the viewing quality of ArcFax or > would that cause problems elsewhere? As I use SS for loading > practically all odd graphics files this could be very helpful. Sorry to be so ignorant, but what is Spritescope? I can't find any reference to it on the website. Is it a part of something else by David? Tony -- _________ Tony Pay |ony:-) 79 Southmoor Rd Tony@stsm.demon.co.uk | |ay Oxford OX2 6RE http://classicalplus.gmn.com/artists tel/fax 01865 553339 ... It ain't the size, it's... no, it's the size. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 22:17:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031606227:10:01499:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:17:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031606227:10:01499:40; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:17:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1000624; 9 Sep 2002 21:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oVt4-0003Rt-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:16:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89LFvq24807 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:15:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89LFuJ24804 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:15:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17oVsy-0001xE-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:15:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:14:52 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFAX & using Demon DFAX References: <4b73614487john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <20020909.212439.20@stsm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20020909.212439.20@stsm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Sorry to be so ignorant, but what is Spritescope? It's the tentative name for my 'Scanning Software' formerly known as Image -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 22:32:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031606812:10:11778:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:32:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031606812:10:11778:61; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:26:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120110; 9 Sep 2002 21:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oW31-0002DH-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:26:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89LQ5Q25647 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:26:05 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89LQ5i25644 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:26:05 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17oW2m-000HkY-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:26:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:32:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: setting options for PS printers Message-ID: <4b736f83e2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b73672389gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9987C@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <4b73672389gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b73672389gav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > Hope that is some use to someone, if not sorry for the long post. Well, I think it was a great post, it could save hours of poking around inside !printers... Thank-you! -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Sep 9 22:47:24 2002 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with COPY id <5bWKWaK5uRf9EwiG@pilling.demon.co.uk> ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:07:53 +0100 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031607220:10:19162:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:47:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031607220:10:19162:64; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:33:40 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019328; 9 Sep 2002 21:33 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17oWA1-0007cg-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:33:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89LXUh26406 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:33:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89LXT426402 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:33:29 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17oW9w-0002qB-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:33:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:32:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFAX & using Demon DFAX Message-ID: <4b737509d7john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20020909.212439.20@stsm.demon.co.uk> References: <4b73614487john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <20020909.212439.20@stsm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 09 Sep, Tony Pay wrote: > On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:56:55 +0100, john@cartmell.demon.co.uk said: > > Is it possible to give Spritescope the viewing quality of ArcFax or > > would that cause problems elsewhere? As I use SS for loading > > practically all odd graphics files this could be very helpful. > Sorry to be so ignorant, but what is Spritescope? > I can't find any reference to it on the website. Is it a part of > something else by David? It's the potential new name for the software that David is second-most famous for - the scanning/bitmap image manipulation program. We are no longer free to use the name I****M*****. > Tony -- John Cartmell editor@acornpublisher.com FAX +44 (0)8700519527 Acorn Publisher magazine www.acornpublisher.com a magazine for computer graphics, dtp & web design the magazine for all RISC OS users -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 10 02:47:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031622235:10:24657:98".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:47:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031622235:10:24657:98; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:43:55 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1024903; 10 Sep 2002 1:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oPTu-0004si-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:25:38 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89CPL432379 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:25:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89CP2f32302 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:25:03 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g89CP3Ck009557 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:25:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:22:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax: sending but not receiving? Message-ID: <4b7342a264ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: 2452524.2059344roger.foden@argonet.co.uk References: <4b71ba3b40john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> 2452524.2059344roger.foden@argonet.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article 2452524.2059344roger.foden@argonet.co.uk, Roger Foden wrote: > I have ArcFax and use a USRobotics Sportster Voice 33.6 Faxmodem. All > attempts to use anything but the standard USR1 modem meet with failure > at some time: various other fax machines can either receive but not > send, send but not receive. After a great deal of experimentation > (involving sending/receiving trial faxes to/from patient friends and > acquaintances) I gave up on the other drivers and settled on the good > old reliable (so far!!!) USR1. I've got a USR 56k Voice Faxmodem and have always successfully used the Class20V driver. Try making the max speed 9600 instead of 14400. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 10 14:10:06 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031662531:10:07183:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:10:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031662531:10:07183:56; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:55:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111038; 10 Sep 2002 12:55 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17okXU-0003uM-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:54:44 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8ACs8j23777 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:54:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (warrior.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.227]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8ACs7623774 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:54:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 17439 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 12:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO barry) (212.159.102.184) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 12:54:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:52:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Spritescope > Arcfax Message-ID: <4b73c94540barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi Folks, What settings would I have to use to save an image from Spritescope for it to be read in ArcFax? -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 10 15:54:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031669152:20:20867:88".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:54:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031669152:20:20867:88; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:45:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020905; 10 Sep 2002 14:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17omFb-0003Dt-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:44:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8AEhi411132 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:43:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8AEhh811129 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:43:43 +0100 Received: from riscpc01 ([194.106.52.185]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g8AEhiCj013163 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:43:45 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:45:16 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: ArcFax and RComp Net in Box Message-ID: <838ed3734b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> References: <4b72f91c76ray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b72f91c76ray@raydawson.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (Newsbase/0.70) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.70-beta-2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b72f91c76ray@raydawson.com> Ray Dawson wrote: > Except the number of stored faxes is still limited with RISC OS 4 and > ArcFax suddenly warns you it can't store any more. Oooo, really? What is the limit? I currently have 259 faxes stored in my RxBatch. -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 10 16:09:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031669931:20:11923:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:09:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031669931:20:11923:41; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:58:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010956; 10 Sep 2002 14:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17omSg-0005js-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:57:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8AEvjq13342 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:57:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8AEvjR13338 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:57:45 +0100 Received: from riscpc01 ([194.106.52.185]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g8AEvkCj014519 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:57:46 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:59:24 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hearsay VT320 emulation infelicity. Message-ID: References: <5BZqglGDhoe9EwbB@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5BZqglGDhoe9EwbB@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (Newsbase/0.70) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.70-beta-2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <5BZqglGDhoe9EwbB@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > >On a real VT320, the terminal will always recognise incoming escape > >sequences using either 7-bit or 8-bit codes - the 7/8-bit setting > >merely determines which form of escape sequence is transmitted. > > My researches show that Hearsay has a 7/8 bit flag (the same thing as > can be set from the options window), that as you say controls if it > accepts 7 or 8 bit codes. So just set that to 8 bit mode... This flag is > not under the control of the terminal, whatever state you set it to will > persist. Okay, but a genuine VT320 will recognise both 7 and 8 bit sequences, without there being any flag to control it's behaviour on received sequences. > Now in addition, the terminal has an internal flag which controls if it > sends 7 or 8 bit codes. That flag can be toggled by incoming escape > sequences. On a genuine VT320, there is a 7/8 bit setting in the terminal setup - this determines whether the terminal transmits 7 or 8 bit codes. This setting can also be controlled by incoming escape sequences. > The only connection between the two is that on terminal boot, the code > flag is initialised to the same state as the 7/8 bit flag. Which makes a > sort of sense. Okay, this may well have confused me into believing that there was only one 7/8 bit flag (based on the knowledge that a genuine VT320 has only one 7/8 bit flag). > Supposing that you want a terminal which accepts 8 bit codes to boot up > with 7 bit code sending, then I guess you could use a bit of Hearsay > script code to send the terminal the codes to switch to that state. Fair enough, but this isn't necessary with a genuine VT320 - hence my belief that Hearsay does not emulate a VT320 in this respect. -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 10 20:24:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031685354:20:25809:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:24:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031685354:20:25809:56; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:15:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125442; 10 Sep 2002 19:15 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oqTK-0001pv-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:14:50 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8AJEAX26859 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:14:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8AJE9p26856 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:14:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17oqSf-000INW-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:14:09 +0100 Message-ID: <+sh7r$BlQkf9EwwS@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:12:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hearsay VT320 emulation infelicity. References: <5BZqglGDhoe9EwbB@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Fair enough, but this isn't necessary with a genuine VT320 - hence my >belief that Hearsay does not emulate a VT320 in this respect. Bottom line, knowing what you now do, does it do what you need? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 11 00:40:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031700776:20:20615:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:40:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031700776:20:20615:44; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:32:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019851; 10 Sep 2002 23:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17ouU6-0005Pc-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:31:54 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8ANVPZ19336 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:31:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8ANVOm19333 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:31:24 +0100 Received: from riscpc01 ([194.106.52.185]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g8ANVPCj012720 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:31:26 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:32:06 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Hearsay VT320 emulation infelicity. Message-ID: <4eca03744b.peter@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> References: <5BZqglGDhoe9EwbB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <+sh7r$BlQkf9EwwS@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+sh7r$BlQkf9EwwS@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (Newsbase/0.70) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.70-beta-2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <+sh7r$BlQkf9EwwS@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >Fair enough, but this isn't necessary with a genuine VT320 - hence my > >belief that Hearsay does not emulate a VT320 in this respect. > > Bottom line, knowing what you now do, does it do what you need? Not without altering the application code on the host! -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 11 13:59:06 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031712654:10:21852:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:59:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031712654:10:21852:68; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:50:54 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021889; 11 Sep 2002 2:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17oxaP-0000ft-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:50:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8B2nst28887 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:49:54 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8B2nst28884 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:49:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17oxZf-0007KU-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:49:53 +0100 Message-ID: <4TIK0VHC8qf9EwSM@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:48:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP: Request for a small enhancement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Brian Jordan >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:41:41 +0100 Am I the only person to be frustrated by the lack of nudge buttons in the "Insert page" dialogue box in OPro? I use this a great deal and it seems to me that this would be a nice refinement particularly as it is possible to nudge the values in so many other areas such as changing the number of columns in a text frame. -- Brian Jordan From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 11 13:59:12 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031731833:10:29491:84".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:59:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031731833:10:29491:84; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:10:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000235; 11 Sep 2002 8:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17p2ZU-0002BV-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:10:00 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8B89U115397 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:09:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from server0027.freedom2surf.net (server0027.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.36]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8B89Tn15390 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:09:29 +0100 Received: from RiscPC ([195.137.41.33]) by server0027.freedom2surf.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with SMTP id g8B89UCj030967 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:09:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:03:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP: Request for a small enhancement Message-ID: <4b7432a61cray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4TIK0VHC8qf9EwSM@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4TIK0VHC8qf9EwSM@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4TIK0VHC8qf9EwSM@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >From: Brian Jordan Date: Wed, 11 Sep > >2002 02:41:41 +0100 > Am I the only person to be frustrated by the lack of nudge buttons in > the "Insert page" dialogue box in OPro? I use this a great deal and it > seems to me that this would be a nice refinement particularly as it is > possible to nudge the values in so many other areas such as changing > the number of columns in a text frame. And also the Delete page box. It defaults from/to the page you are open at, but I invariably want to delete to the end of the document or several following pages at least. Cheers, Ray D -- ray@raydawson.com http://www.raydawson.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 11 13:59:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031744137:10:18277:117".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:59:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031744137:10:18277:117; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:35:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112909; 11 Sep 2002 11:34 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17p5lA-00084o-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:34:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8BBWac15599 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:32:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mail.tele2.co.uk (dellboy.tele2.co.uk [212.19.64.20]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8BBWZW15595 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:32:36 +0100 Received: from djg (wireless-073-013.tele2.co.uk [212.19.73.13]) by mail.tele2.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8181A9C094 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:30:38 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3D7F29EA.00000B.77671@djg.djg.tele2.net.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:32:58 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1750710) From: "Dennis Golding" References: X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 2.0 X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] General Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id g8BBWaW15596 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I would just like to thank you to the list for now putting the product in the subject line. I can now filter out all those products such as Arcfax into a separate box for perusal if I ever get the product and concentrate on the one I have - Ovation Pro. It's good to see such an active group. Dennis Golding -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 11 14:29:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031750809:20:08956:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:29:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031750809:20:08956:47; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:26:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009068; 11 Sep 2002 13:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17p7VM-0000BQ-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:26:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8BDPTl02249 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:25:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8BDPTQ02244 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:25:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17p7Um-00067m-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:25:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4cI63lBDQ0f9EwyI@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:24:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP: Add to 'Wish List' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: "Eric Allen" OP has 'Rotation' and 'Skew' text effects but seems to be missing the 'Curved' text effect facility. I create my own CD labels / CD insert cards and the 'Curved' effect would be a great asset to this brilliant desktop publishing program. There's been so many upgrades/updates since some of OP users first purchased this product, just like myself, would it be possible to either purchased a new up-to-date manual or due to on-going improvements, make available a downloadable version of the manual on the David Pilling Software website . Eric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 11 14:44:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031751314:20:22770:102".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:44:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031751314:20:22770:102; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:35:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107055; 11 Sep 2002 13:35 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17p7dw-0004l6-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:34:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8BDYoX03867 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:34:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8BDYoV03864 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:34:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17p7dp-0002HO-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:34:49 +0100 Message-ID: <2ci5X$BrY0f9Ewy8@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:33:31 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Add to 'Wish List' References: <4cI63lBDQ0f9EwyI@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4cI63lBDQ0f9EwyI@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spellings.dsvr.co.uk id g8BDYoV03865 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >OP has 'Rotation' and 'Skew' text effects but seems to be missing the >'Curved' text effect facility. I create my own CD labels / CD insert >cards and the 'Curved' effect would be a great asset to this brilliant >desktop publishing program. Yes 'text on a curve' would be a good addition. Along with tables and a few other things, it is lurking just beyond the horizon. I'll do it in the Windows version... 8-) >There's been so many upgrades/updates since some of OP users first >purchased this product, just like myself, would it be possible to >either purchased a new up-to-date manual or due to on-going >improvements, make available a downloadable version of the manual on the To quote my web site... The OvationPro User Guide in PVC ring binder and slip case is available for 25 This is the new version of the manual as supplied in document form on the 2.6X upgrade CD. Maybe you've missed out on the 2.6X upgrade CD? Since the CD upgrade there have been no major changes (manual or program), nothing worth putting the manual on the web site for at any rate. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 11 16:14:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031756654:10:09120:101".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:14:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031756654:10:09120:101; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:04:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101962; 11 Sep 2002 15:03 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17p91Q-0005Nm-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:03:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8BF2WT19795 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:02:32 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8BF2Wo19790 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:02:32 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17p90h-0004xs-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:02:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:00:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Add to 'Wish List' Message-ID: <4b7458ce7ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2ci5X$BrY0f9Ewy8@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4cI63lBDQ0f9EwyI@pilling.demon.co.uk> <2ci5X$BrY0f9Ewy8@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 11 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > I'll do it in the Windows version... 8-) Your halo's slipping! ;-) It may be worth reminding people that text can be curved (but frequently losing its textiness) with many applications from FontFX through DrawWorks, ArtWorks and Vantage and that at least one version of DrawWorks is free. Implimentaion within OP ould be great so long as it doesn't contribute too much to bloat ... .. of course there would be no such restrictions in a Windows version of OP. ;-) -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 17 22:29:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032277408:10:07699:245".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:29:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032277408:10:07699:245; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:43:28 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014102; 17 Sep 2002 15:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17rKSv-0006ap-00; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:40:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8HFeC824990 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:40:12 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8HFeBr24987 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:40:11 +0100 Received: from [62.188.144.210] (helo=62.188.144.210) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17rKSK-0001ED-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:40:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:37:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Turbo driver oddity with OPro. Message-ID: <4b777327fapnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I posted this on the old OPro list, but answer came there none. Another try :-) This isn't really important, just a bit of an annoyance. I use a turbo-driver with an Epson Stylus Color; every time I print from OPro the turbo-driver status window jumps to the front of the pile and stays there. This doesn't happen with any other app that I use. How come? And is it possible to change this? Odder still; since the original post I have discovered, I _think_, that this only happens when I use a keystroke, from the eponymous application, to print. (Print,even sides, print, all from ). Does this seem likely? And if so, should I be in the Keystroke list? TIA, Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Sep 17 22:29:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1031761904:20:09622:102".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:29:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1031761904:20:09622:102; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:31:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008973; 11 Sep 2002 16:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17pAND-00050v-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:29:51 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8BGTC201329 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:29:12 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.96]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8BGTB701326 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:29:11 +0100 Received: from pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:29:10 +0100 Received: from david (unverified [62.30.48.24]) by pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:29:03 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c259b0$5c55d3c0$6401a8c0@david> From: "David Woodman" To: References: <4cI63lBDQ0f9EwyI@pilling.demon.co.uk> <2ci5X$BrY0f9Ewy8@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Add to 'Wish List' Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:29:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" > Yes 'text on a curve' would be a good addition. Along with tables and a > few other things, it is lurking just beyond the horizon. I'll do it in > the Windows version... 8-) Please please, any more hints how soon that might be - is it weeks, months or years? I'm putting off getting into an alternative Windows DTP because I have found Ovation such a joy to use. But, sadly, my old Archimedes 310 is not up to the job. David Woodman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 17:27:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032366469:10:20475:98".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:27:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032366469:10:20475:98; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:27:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1020325; 18 Sep 2002 16:26 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17rhTP-0008I4-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:14:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IGEBi08957 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:14:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IGEAX08952 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:14:10 +0100 Received: from host213-122-110-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.110.136] helo=darprint.btinternet.com) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17rhSm-0002RL-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:14:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:13:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] O/P !Dotgain Message-ID: <4b77fa51cadarprint@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi all, I was wondering whether anyone uses the above piece of software by Cerilica successfully. I think mine went wrong with the introduction of RISC OS 4, but I can't be sure. Cerilica aren't exactly being over helpful in this matter - they just say that they cannot support RISC OS Select because of the lack of documentation and suggest I try !Printers 1.54, but I can't find this particular version anywhere. Version 1.53 I have got, but not 1.54. The problem I have is that when trying to use it !Dotgain throws up the error message 'internal error 1490. internal error: abort on data transfer &0399DE9C' I know this is not strictly the place for this, but I thought that if anyone knows this software then they would also use O/Pro. Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 17:47:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032367051:20:00711:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:47:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032367051:20:00711:42; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:37:31 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125188; 18 Sep 2002 16:36 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17rhoX-00053m-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:36:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IGaQD12272 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:36:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IGaQF12268 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:36:26 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17rhoQ-000PrN-0W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:36:26 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:34:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Add to 'Wish List' References: <4cI63lBDQ0f9EwyI@pilling.demon.co.uk> <2ci5X$BrY0f9Ewy8@pilling.demon.co.uk> <000a01c259b0$5c55d3c0$6401a8c0@david> In-Reply-To: <000a01c259b0$5c55d3c0$6401a8c0@david> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Please please, any more hints how soon that might be - is it weeks, months >or years? I'm putting off getting into an alternative Windows DTP because >I have found Ovation such a joy to use. But, sadly, my old Archimedes 310 >is not up to the job. No idea. I've several weeks hard work before OP for Windows is finished. Beyond that what happens is a mystery. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 19:17:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032369012:20:25717:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:17:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032369012:20:25717:47; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:10:12 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024019; 18 Sep 2002 17:09 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17riJs-0002bg-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:08:56 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IH8rp16538 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:08:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IH8q316534 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:08:52 +0100 Received: from fergusn.demon.co.uk ([62.49.16.238] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17riJo-00058a-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:08:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:04:55 +0100 From: John Ferguson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] O/P !Dotgain Message-ID: <4B77FF07AB%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b77fa51cadarprint@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (09 Sep 2002) [TEST 10], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b77fa51cadarprint@btinternet.com> Roger Mayne wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering whether anyone uses the above piece of software by Cerilica > successfully. I think mine went wrong with the introduction of RISC OS 4, > but I can't be sure. Cerilica aren't exactly being over helpful in this > matter - they just say that they cannot support RISC OS Select because of > the lack of documentation and suggest I try !Printers 1.54, but I can't > find this particular version anywhere. Version 1.53 I have got, but not > 1.54. I can't help with Dotgain I'm afraid, but Printers 1.53 and 1.54 are essentially the same, the latter being the ROM version supplied with RISC OS 3.5. HTH John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 19:17:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032372753:20:12374:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:17:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032372753:20:12374:47; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:12:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113201; 18 Sep 2002 18:11 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17rjIh-00016f-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:11:47 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IIBdb24206 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:11:39 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from gtonline.net (mail.gtonline.net [212.30.8.232]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IIBc624195 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:11:38 +0100 Received: from GTonline.net [212.30.10.97] by gtonline.net (SMTPD32-7.07) id A1D1569300E2; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:11:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:09:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b7804e916rmking@gtonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Don't ask me why, I feel inspired to write a WMF (windows meta file) > to Draw file conversion program... > I wonder if anyone has any comments on what is currently available in > the RISC OS arena. > For example I know there is Keith Sloans WMF->Draw and ImageFS? Is > one better than the other, do they have shortcomings? Is there a gap > for handling EMF (enhanced meta files)? I find ImageFS much more accurate in translating WMF files than WMF->Draw. Try loading the same WMF image into both applications and compare the difference! WMF files are gradually being phased out and EMF taking over. We definitely need a WMF/EMF reader for RISC OS. I receive quite a few files in EMF format. To view them on my RISC PC I have to run my PC and convert these files with the IrfanView application to EMF format. I can then covert these files to Draw using ImageFS on my RISC PC. So David, I hope that you are inspired to write such a converter application. Regards, Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 19:17:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032368344:10:17800:79".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:17:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032368344:10:17800:79; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:59:04 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110500; 18 Sep 2002 16:57 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17ri97-0001i9-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:57:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IGvgO14794 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:57:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IGvge14789 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:57:42 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.34]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g8IGvjN12238 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:57:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Add to 'Wish List' To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:43:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >>Please please, any more hints how soon that might be - is it weeks, months >>or years? I'm putting off getting into an alternative Windows DTP because >>I have found Ovation such a joy to use. But, sadly, my old Archimedes 310 >>is not up to the job. > No idea. I've several weeks hard work before OP for Windows is finished. > Beyond that what happens is a mystery. You might have to be quick ;-) Have you seen http://www.openoffice.org/ Not in the same league but..... It does have source code and it does read some well known file formats so a bit of a rummage might be fruitful. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 19:17:58 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032369236:10:10994:179".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:17:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032369236:10:10994:179; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:13:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124747; 18 Sep 2002 17:13 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17riO1-00075u-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:13:13 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IHDAb17191 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:13:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IHDAJ17188 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:13:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17riNx-0004Dh-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:13:09 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:11:42 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Turbo driver oddity with OPro. References: <4b777327fapnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b777327fapnyoung@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >I posted this on the old OPro list, but answer came there none. Another >try :-) The old list is no more. The impending demise of the facility was what meant there had to be a new list. I have removed everyone from the old OP list. However the system will stop running (if it has not done so already). One problem is that if you're a member of the digest version of this list you won't be reading this because the digest version of this list is not running yet. When it is I will move over the members of the old OP digest list to it. >turbo-driver with an Epson Stylus Color; every time I print from OPro the >turbo-driver status window jumps to the front of the pile and stays there. I expect I often say this, but I have a dim memory of this being discussed in the OP list before. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 19:17:58 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032370206:10:04392:79".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:17:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032370206:10:04392:79; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:30:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111589; 18 Sep 2002 17:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17ridx-0007pZ-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:29:41 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IHTCJ19010 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:29:12 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IHTCo19007 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:29:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17ridT-0001LK-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:29:11 +0100 Message-ID: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:27:43 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] WMF conversion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Hi, Don't ask me why, I feel inspired to write a WMF (windows meta file) to Draw file conversion program... I wonder if anyone has any comments on what is currently available in the RISC OS arena. For example I know there is Keith Sloans WMF->Draw and ImageFS? Is one better than the other, do they have shortcomings? Is there a gap for handling EMF (enhanced meta files)? What ever happened to Sherstons "WMF-It!"? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 19:47:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032374713:20:06166:148".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:47:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032374713:20:06166:148; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:45:13 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006308; 18 Sep 2002 18:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17rjo9-0002sS-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:44:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IIhjV27608 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:43:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.net [194.168.148.2]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IIhiS27603 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:43:45 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host62-6-114-171.webport.bt.net [62.6.114.171]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8IJeC007490 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:40:13 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:28:43 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi, > > Don't ask me why, I feel inspired to write a WMF (windows meta file) to > Draw file conversion program... > > I wonder if anyone has any comments on what is currently available in > the RISC OS arena. > > For example I know there is Keith Sloans WMF->Draw and ImageFS? Is one > better than the other, do they have shortcomings? Is there a gap for > handling EMF (enhanced meta files)? > > What ever happened to Sherstons "WMF-It!"? > No idea but there was also !MetaConv by G.J.Key (KeySoft) dated 1995. I have always used WMF>Draw and had few problems, but note that earlier versions used the wrong file type for WMF files. My version is 1.9 dated 1997. Correct file typing allows the user to double- click on a WMF file and a Save box with a Draw icon appears. Saves dragging files. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 20:17:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032376219:20:15071:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:17:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032376219:20:15071:63; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:10:19 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109356; 18 Sep 2002 19:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17rkDB-0004Nl-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:10:09 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IJA1631099 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:10:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IJA0831063 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:10:00 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17rkD2-000PsQ-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:10:00 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:08:37 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Add to 'Wish List' References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >You might have to be quick ;-) Have you seen http://www.openoffice.org/ Yes, openoffice is excellent well worth having. But when I bought a PC it came with MS Word, Excel etc. all bundled, and the real things are more compatible than the copy - Openoffice doesn't seem to have VBA to handle Excel macros. MS Word is horrible anyway. I once had a job that had to be in Word format and I gave up. So if open office is a clone, presumably it has to copy the bad stuff too. I came across open office in my recent serious thoughts about Word import/export. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 21:07:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032379147:10:27246:48".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:07:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032379147:10:27246:48; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:59:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027016; 18 Sep 2002 19:58 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17rky5-0006Ci-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:58:37 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IJvxs04817 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:57:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IJvxZ04814 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:57:59 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17rkxR-000B9r-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:57:57 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:19:16 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] O/P !Dotgain Message-ID: References: <4b77fa51cadarprint@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <4b77fa51cadarprint@btinternet.com> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b77fa51cadarprint@btinternet.com> Roger Mayne wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering whether anyone uses the above piece of software by Cerilica > successfully. I think mine went wrong with the introduction of RISC OS 4, > but I can't be sure. Cerilica aren't exactly being over helpful in this > matter - they just say that they cannot support RISC OS Select because of > the lack of documentation and suggest I try !Printers 1.54, but I can't > find this particular version anywhere. Version 1.53 I have got, but not > 1.54. [snip] Printers 1.53 is Printers 1.54 except 1.54 is in ROM on ROS 3.7 (?). Hence you can't find that version. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 21:17:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032380253:20:01689:110".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:17:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032380253:20:01689:110; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:17:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114049; 18 Sep 2002 20:16 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17rlFa-0007RI-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:16:42 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IKGYO07020 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:16:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IKGYf07017 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:16:34 +0100 Received: from [62.188.156.120] (helo=62.188.156.120) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17rlFP-00082l-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:16:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:07:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b781538b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Don't ask me why, I feel inspired to write a WMF (windows meta file) to > Draw file conversion program... > I wonder if anyone has any comments on what is currently available in > the RISC OS arena. I wrote one once but once ImageFS arrived I never took it any further. What would be good is a way of treating WMF files natively in OP as I have loads of CDs with clipart in this format.... David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 21:37:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032381016:20:21656:43".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:37:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032381016:20:21656:43; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:30:16 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114171; 18 Sep 2002 20:29 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17rlS3-00086a-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:29:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IKTSJ08215 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:29:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IKTSf08211 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:29:28 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17rlRu-0006BX-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:29:28 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:28:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b781538b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b781538b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >What would be good is a way of treating WMF files natively in OP as I have >loads of CDs with clipart in this format.... Yeah this puzzled me. If you've got a command line tool that converts say WMF to Draw, then all you've got to do is wrap it in the TransLoader shell that is supplied with Ovation Pro, and magically you can then drag WMF files into OP frames. Same would apply to any alien graphics format. OTOH maybe you can see some benefit from actually having WMF's within OP docs and rendering them from there? Clearly there is the dimension that a Windows version of OP is likely to allow WMF/EMF and BMP files to be stored in documents, and rendering them on RISC OS is the other end of the situation that leads to Sprites and Draw files being rendered on Windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 23:07:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032386857:10:14008:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:07:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032386857:10:14008:72; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:07:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013793; 18 Sep 2002 22:07 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17rmyN-00067N-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:07:03 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8IM6vR18128 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:06:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8IM6va18125 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:06:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17rmyG-0001Fc-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:06:56 +0100 Message-ID: <0VOpVcKsiPi9Ewrl@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:05:32 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b781538b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist From: Rob Hemmings To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:25:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b7816e362rhemmings@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain In article <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Don't ask me why, I feel inspired to write a WMF (windows meta file) to > Draw file conversion program... > I wonder if anyone has any comments on what is currently available in > the RISC OS arena. > For example I know there is Keith Sloans WMF->Draw and ImageFS? Is one > better than the other, do they have shortcomings? Is there a gap for > handling EMF (enhanced meta files)? > What ever happened to Sherstons "WMF-It!"? In case it helps I bought a copy of Sherston's WMFIT - it seems to work reasonably well although I have not used it for a while. I got it mainly to transfer Draw files to WMF as ImageFS seems to work fairly well the other way round. IIRC you have to convert text to paths first. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Sep 18 23:07:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032386383:20:09130:84".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:07:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032386383:20:09130:84; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:59:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110979; 18 Sep 2002 21:59 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17rmqy-0005It-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:59:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8ILwmW17118 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:58:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from draal.greatmachine.org (draal.ux.his.no [152.94.1.222]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8ILwli17114 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:58:47 +0100 Received: from drakh.greatmachine.org (unknown [213.225.76.231]) by draal.greatmachine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE9C681E2 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:58:40 +0200 (DST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020918233503.00b488e8@draal.greatmachine.org> X-Sender: ketil@draal.greatmachine.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:01:29 +0200 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Ketil Kristiansen Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Add to 'Wish List' In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 20:08 2002-09-18 +0100, you wrote: >>You might have to be quick ;-) Have you seen http://www.openoffice.org/ > >Yes, openoffice is excellent well worth having. But when I bought a PC it >came with MS Word, Excel etc. all bundled, and the real things are more >compatible than the copy - Openoffice doesn't seem to have VBA to handle >Excel macros. > >MS Word is horrible anyway. I once had a job that had to be in Word format >and I gave up. So if open office is a clone, presumably it has to copy the >bad stuff too. I have mixed feelings about Open Office. On the upside, the spreadsheet application hasn't failed me yet - Ok, so I'm not really taxing it with any advanced stuff, but it seems stable and has about ten times the bells and whistles I need. The "Writer" application on the other hand I'd rather forget about, after spending many hours trying to edit a simple document in it. Writing the original document was simple enough - just a few pages and some screenshots. However, when I later had to edit it a bit and replace a few of the images, it totally lost it - it hid paragraphs behind images, moved the images around and it was totally impossible to actually do what I needed, so I ended up exporting it has HTML, edit that in a decent editor (emacs), import it again, tweak the image sizes and then print... never again! I've never liked M$, but there and then I seriously considered getting a copy of Word - it's bound to be better than when I last used it (Word 2.0)... Also, Open Office suffers from the same bloatware syndrome as does most of M$'s offerings, and is probably the biggest, ugliest mess of source code the open source world has ever seen (if I remember correctly you'll need at least one gigabyte of free disk space to be able to build it from source - any sane person would download the precompiled packages instead...). So I guess the bottom line is this: - If OPro for Windows will be even remotely as good as the original, then forget Open Office. - The Open Office source is possibly the best documentation available on the M$ file formats, but the code seems to suffer from serious bloat (judging by size and speed). Best regards, -K -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 19 00:37:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032391824:20:13692:113".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:37:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032391824:20:13692:113; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:30:24 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013947; 18 Sep 2002 23:30 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17roGg-0008UU-00; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:30:02 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8INTd224700 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:29:39 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8INTcK24697 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:29:38 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17roGH-000Mcr-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:29:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:12:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b7820b4b7john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b781538b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b781538b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 18 Sep, David Breakwell wrote: > In article <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > Don't ask me why, I feel inspired to write a WMF (windows meta file) > > to Draw file conversion program... > > I wonder if anyone has any comments on what is currently available in > > the RISC OS arena. > I wrote one once but once ImageFS arrived I never took it any further. > What would be good is a way of treating WMF files natively in OP as I > have loads of CDs with clipart in this format.... Could it smooth the lines and reduce the number of end points/ That could make a big difference. -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 19 00:48:00 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032392509:20:29027:47".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:48:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032392509:20:29027:47; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:41:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028720; 18 Sep 2002 23:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17roRf-0002Hr-00; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:41:23 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8INfKS25356 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:41:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8INfJb25353 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:41:19 +0100 Received: from martin.lexicon (unknown [212.104.153.41]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id E3A874FEA5 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:44:02 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:41:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b78234cc9mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Don't ask me why, I feel inspired to write a WMF (windows meta file) to > Draw file conversion program... > I wonder if anyone has any comments on what is currently available in > the RISC OS arena. Textease does it automatically. Drop a wmf on the page and save as Draw. Martin Longley -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 19 01:38:03 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032395591:10:24032:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:38:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032395591:10:24032:57; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:33:11 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024282; 19 Sep 2002 0:32 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17rpFR-0002Pj-00; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:32:49 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8J0VDW27901 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:31:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8J0VDe27898 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:31:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17rpDs-00012e-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:31:13 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:29:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: WMF conversion References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b78234cc9mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b78234cc9mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist > For example I know there is Keith Sloans WMF->Draw and ImageFS? Is one > better than the other, do they have shortcomings? Is there a gap for > handling EMF (enhanced meta files)? This is where I have had problems in the past, that I could not port EMF files to RISCOS. But now that I have discovered the Wintel --> Postscript file --> RiScript --> Draw route, all problems are gone. And this covers a far wider range of formats than WMF or EMF. Doubtless there are some constructs that this route will not handle but it certainly does fairly simple diagrams. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 19 18:22:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032455895:10:27304:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:22:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032455895:10:27304:41; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:18:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027090; 19 Sep 2002 17:17 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17s4vX-0006a3-00; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:17:19 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8JHGtK13363 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:16:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from he101war.uk.vianw.net (he101war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.208]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8JHGsD13337 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:16:54 +0100 Received: from [195.102.200.15] (helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he101war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 17s4pM-0003SM-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:10:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:24:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b781c3e12chris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > For example I know there is Keith Sloans WMF->Draw and ImageFS? Is > one better than the other, do they have shortcomings? Is there a > gap for handling EMF (enhanced meta files)? I have found in general that ImageFS copes better than the PD alternatives. When problems are evident in the conversion, it is often the case that the WMF contains text. Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 19 19:22:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032457903:20:23831:182".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:22:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032457903:20:23831:182; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:51:43 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023520; 19 Sep 2002 17:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17s5Rj-0005Vi-00; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:50:35 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8JHoSD23907 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:50:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from purple.csi.cam.ac.uk (purple.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.4]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8JHoRD23904 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:50:27 +0100 Received: from mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.39.91]) by purple.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17s5Rb-0003xr-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:50:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:51:02 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Clark Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Add to 'Wish List' To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Cambridge University, Department of Pathology. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Wed 18 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >You might have to be quick ;-) Have you seen http://www.openoffice.org/ > > Yes, openoffice is excellent well worth having. But when I bought a PC > it came with MS Word, Excel etc. all bundled, and the real things are > more compatible than the copy - Openoffice doesn't seem to have VBA to > handle Excel macros. > > MS Word is horrible anyway. I once had a job that had to be in Word > format and I gave up. So if open office is a clone, presumably it has to > copy the bad stuff too. > > I came across open office in my recent serious thoughts about Word > import/export. > It may be that the future of document import and export is limited in that "Wintel" have plans to prevent future reading of documents such as Word files on anything other than registered versions of Word running under registered versions of Windows on a registered PC. It is all based around Digital Rights Management under TCPA/Palladium. Mike Clark, -- o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark <\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing, "> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 19 20:02:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032461594:10:13711:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:02:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032461594:10:13711:53; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:53:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013765; 19 Sep 2002 18:53 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17s6Q1-0003BY-00; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:52:53 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8JIqKh31035 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:52:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8JIqJu31027 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:52:20 +0100 Received: from [213.116.54.139] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17s6PR-0007KJ-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:52:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:48:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Add to 'Wish List' Message-ID: <4b788c616bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020918233503.00b488e8@draal.greatmachine.org> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020918233503.00b488e8@draal.greatmachine.org> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 18 Sep, Ketil Kristiansen wrote: > I've never liked M$, but there and then I seriously considered > getting a copy of Word - it's bound to be better than when I last used it > (Word 2.0)... Hum. It became reasonably usable at v6 (the next after 2.0) and then went downhill. -- What kind of insanity destroys fields to replace what already exists? Stop Rugby Airport now before it's too late... Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Sep 19 21:32:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032467161:10:12562:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:32:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032467161:10:12562:44; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:26:01 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011972; 19 Sep 2002 20:25 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17s7rQ-0002Um-00; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:25:16 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8JKOeE08995 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:24:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8JKOeA08991 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:24:40 +0100 Received: from cmcqueen ([62.252.180.67]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020919202439.QMSS295.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@cmcqueen> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:24:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:30:27 GMT From: Colin McQueen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <05af95784b.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Don't ask me why, I feel inspired to write a WMF (windows meta file) to > Draw file conversion program... > > I wonder if anyone has any comments on what is currently available in > the RISC OS arena. > > For example I know there is Keith Sloans WMF->Draw and ImageFS? Is one > better than the other, do they have shortcomings? Is there a gap for > handling EMF (enhanced meta files)? There are probably some others embedded in software such as AspexDraw which can import wmf emf and export drawfile as well as its own format. Perhaps contacting them and suggesting you build AspexDraw format import into Windows OvPro may also lead to some useful help regarding wmf<>drawfile conversion. I suspect there must be wmf<>drawfile conversion in DataPower2 and the SoftEase applications textEase etc. ImageFS only goes one way wmf>drawfile > > What ever happened to Sherstons "WMF-It!"? Dunno? > > -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 14:36:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032527594:10:24132:116".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:36:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032527594:10:24132:116; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:13:14 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026639; 20 Sep 2002 13:12 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17sNaD-0004EM-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:12:33 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KDC4704657 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:12:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KDC3E04653 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:12:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17sNZd-000KsT-0Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:11:57 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:10:30 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OPro Macros not loading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Robin Hampshire >Subject: OPro Macros not loading Sorry if this is an old chestnut. I've recently moved all my data from a 4G hard disk with four partitions to a larger disk with a single partition. The data/apps were simply copied straight across without alteration, but unfortunately the original is not available any more. Now when I load OPro only !IdxPro and !NudgePal will load - all the others are "switched off" by OPro during the loading process. I've looked on David's website at the hints and tips page. My first version was 2.60 so there are no 2.3x modules in the Library directory. In any case, I've tried loading OPro by first removing each of the ones that actually are there, to no effect. There is no "Scripts" file in my Applets directory. It's rather curious, as apart from straight copying across of all the data in bulk from one medium to the other, I have not altered the setup at all. I've tried removing all the applets and then adding them back one by one, but again the only ones that will load are the original two. I've also looked in Boot (OS2.9) for OPro references, but can't find any Choices data belonging to OPro, or other references to it. Advice appreciated. Many thanks, -- Robin Hampshire Robin@brushford.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 14:57:42 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032529649:10:00446:77".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:57:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032529649:10:00446:77; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:47:29 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000205; 20 Sep 2002 13:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17sO7J-0006dv-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:46:45 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KDkgM10710 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:46:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KDkg510706 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:46:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17sO7G-0007YL-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:46:42 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:45:31 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Macros not loading References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >Now when I load OPro only !IdxPro and !NudgePal will load - all the >others are "switched off" by OPro during the loading process. If you find the applets toggling between having a '-' sign on the end of their name (and perhaps displaying a crossed out icon) and being normal, then what is happening is that they are being run each time OP loads (rather than being installed). Why might that happen? It will happen if the zero length !ARun file is removed from the applet. Since this is what signifies it is an applet and should be installed rather than being an application folder which should be run. >I've looked on David's website at the hints and tips page. Which dates back to the last century 8-( >I've tried removing all the applets and then adding them back one by >one, but again the only ones that will load are the original two. I've >also looked in Boot (OS2.9) for OPro references, but can't find any >Choices data belonging to OPro, or other references to it. Not for the first time I wonder if there's an application around that compares two directory trees and prints out the differences... (ah ha, maybe you could run SyncDiscs (free utils on my web site), with primary the old copy and secondary the new one, that should sort matters out) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 14:57:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032529418:10:23382:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:57:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032529418:10:23382:57; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:43:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022149; 20 Sep 2002 13:42 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17sO2w-0006Oi-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:42:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KDgAV09940 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:42:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KDgAm09932 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:42:10 +0100 Received: from [62.188.137.24] (helo=62.188.137.24) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17sO2q-0004iN-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:42:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ted Lacey) To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:43:32 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.34 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-Id: 2452538.1443329tedell@argonet.co.uk In-Reply-To: <05af95784b.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist With the various mentions of programs, I have yet to any mention of the one that I use MetaConv. It was produced by GJ Key (Keysoft) way back in 1995 and if my failing memory is correct, I paid a tenner for it. It still serves me well, even under RiscOS 4. But of course it is one way only. Not sure about EMF as I can't find any at the moment, but then it is an ancient program. But who wants a conversion the other way. Far easier to covert to a JPEG using several programs that are available, like !Thump. Ted Lacey -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Lacey - ZFC LXXXI - RiscPC600 - StrongArmed tedell@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 16:26:41 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032535097:10:11981:155".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:26:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032535097:10:11981:155; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:18:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014212; 20 Sep 2002 15:18 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17sPVm-0003aW-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:16:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KFFYV25567 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:15:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from gtonline.net (mail.gtonline.net [212.30.8.232]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KFFXN25560 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:15:33 +0100 Received: from GTonline.net [212.30.10.47] by gtonline.net (SMTPD32-7.07) id AB8D9B5200C4; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:15:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:14:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b78fc9eefrmking@gtonline.net> In-Reply-To: 2452538.1443329tedell@argonet.co.uk References: <05af95784b.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> 2452538.1443329tedell@argonet.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article 2452538.1443329tedell@argonet.co.uk, Ted Lacey wrote: > With the various mentions of programs, I have yet to hear mention of > the one that I use, MetaConv. MetaConv can't handle WMF files containing PC fonts. ImageFS on the other hand does a conversion of WMF files substituting PC fonts with Acorn versions. Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 16:36:42 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032535898:20:27309:90".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:36:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032535898:20:27309:90; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:31:38 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118553; 20 Sep 2002 15:31 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17sPkI-0006Yn-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:31:06 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KFUxO27788 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:30:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KFUvI27778 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:30:58 +0100 Received: from 54-1-76-027.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.76.27] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 17sPk6-0004fe-00 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:30:54 +0900 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:50:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP: Add to 'Wish List' To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On Thu 19 Sep, Mike Clark wrote: > > On Wed 18 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >You might have to be quick ;-) Have you seen http://www.openoffice.org/ > > > > Yes, openoffice is excellent well worth having. But when I bought a PC > > it came with MS Word, Excel etc. all bundled, and the real things are > > more compatible than the copy - Openoffice doesn't seem to have VBA to > > handle Excel macros. > > > > MS Word is horrible anyway. I once had a job that had to be in Word > > format and I gave up. So if open office is a clone, presumably it has to > > copy the bad stuff too. > > > > I came across open office in my recent serious thoughts about Word > > import/export. > > > > It may be that the future of document import and export is limited > in that "Wintel" have plans to prevent future reading of documents such as > Word files on anything other than registered versions of Word running under > registered versions of Windows on a registered PC. It is all based around > Digital Rights Management under TCPA/Palladium. > > > > > Mike Clark, Ih sh*t! Ian -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 19:46:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032547498:20:05474:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:46:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032547498:20:05474:59; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:44:58 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125499; 20 Sep 2002 18:44 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17sSlM-0002a2-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:44:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KIhni19405 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:43:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KIhm019400 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:43:49 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020920184348.UZSE11421.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:43:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:44:05 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: 2452538.1443329tedell@argonet.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Fri 20 Sep, Ted Lacey wrote: > With the various mentions of programs, I have yet to any mention of the one > that I use MetaConv. It was produced by GJ Key (Keysoft) way back in 1995 > and if my failing memory is correct, I paid a tenner for it. It still > serves me well, even under RiscOS 4. But of course it is one way only. > Not sure about EMF as I can't find any at the moment, but then it is an > ancient program. > > But who wants a conversion the other way. Far easier to covert to a JPEG > using several programs that are available, like !Thump. yuk! Why convert a resolution independant, efficient vector image into a lossy compressed bitmap? -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 20:06:48 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032548512:20:29227:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:06:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032548512:20:29227:51; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:01:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106730; 20 Sep 2002 19:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17sT1U-0001LU-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:01:04 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KIxx220884 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:59:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KIxxb20881 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:59:59 +0100 Received: from worthy.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.99] helo=worthy) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17sT0Q-000A2X-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:59:59 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:59:53 +0100 From: Tim Howarth To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <323a11794b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Is there a gap for handling EMF (enhanced meta files)? Can I put in a case/request for this. For a long time I've put off any thought of mucking about doing any DTP work in Windows because of the lack of a decent vector format - my Acorn stuff is littered with drawfiles. However (AFAICT) Word XP now handles emf graphics, retaining them as emf and even allowing editting with the in built drawing app - whereas previous versions (at best) converted to wmf for editting/further use. Unfortunately the best route I've found for converting drawfiles to emf is to load the drawfile into Xara X, export as Adobe ai format, load in Adobe Illustrator then re-export as emf ! (cumbersome) (Xara's emf export doesn't (in my trials) produce anything useable by Word.) Hence a fully funtional drawfile-emf and vice-versa would be handy - please don't limit it to emf. -- ___ |im ---- ARM Powered ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 20:46:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032550686:10:01853:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:46:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032550686:10:01853:58; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:38:06 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124520; 20 Sep 2002 19:37 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17sTae-0005ax-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:37:24 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KJbIB24623 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:37:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KJbIm24620 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:37:18 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17sTaX-0003nl-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:37:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:31:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b79141d42john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <323a11794b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <323a11794b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 20 Sep, Tim Howarth wrote: > In message <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling > wrote: > > Is there a gap for handling EMF (enhanced meta files)? > Can I put in a case/request for this. > For a long time I've put off any thought of mucking about doing any DTP > work in Windows because of the lack of a decent vector format - my Acorn > stuff is littered with drawfiles. [Snip] Is it worth reminding folk that Draw now exports as SVG files? eg: -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 21:47:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032554632:20:29056:44".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:47:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032554632:20:29056:44; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:43:52 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100307; 20 Sep 2002 20:43 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17sUcP-0007oC-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:43:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KKgmV30921 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:42:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KKglv30918 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:42:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17sUbv-00070H-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:42:47 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:41:29 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <323a11794b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b79141d42john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b79141d42john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >> For a long time I've put off any thought of mucking about doing any DTP >> work in Windows because of the lack of a decent vector format - my Acorn >> stuff is littered with drawfiles. >Is it worth reminding folk that Draw now exports as SVG files? WMF/EMF are not particularly good formats (probably why there is so much fun when you try loading them into something). I'd say Draw was superior. SVG is probably better than both. What I'd like to hear is that there is a SVG renderer built into RISC OS... or that Draw can load SVG. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 22:06:55 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032555716:20:26093:98".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:06:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032555716:20:26093:98; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:01:56 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027014; 20 Sep 2002 21:01 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17sUtk-0006ga-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:01:12 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KL0K932526 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:00:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KL0Ig32523 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:00:19 +0100 Received: from pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:00:17 +0100 Received: from RPC (unverified [213.48.250.96]) by pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:00:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:55:13 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <39c91b794b%ovation@goatly.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b79141d42john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b79141d42john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Is it worth reminding folk that Draw now exports as SVG files? Hmmm - I've never seen that in the version on *my* machine (still on RO 3.7 - bought both RO4 and Select but never had the time or courage to upgrade). But I've just found that by commenting out the check for RO4 in Draw 2.14 on the Select CD I can get it to work a treat, SVG saving and all... Nice. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 22:26:58 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032557028:10:25276:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:26:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032557028:10:25276:61; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:23:48 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113737; 20 Sep 2002 21:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17sVFM-0007yb-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:32 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KLNR601935 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KLNQX01932 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:26 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17sVFF-000NkE-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:13:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b791d702fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <323a11794b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> <4b79141d42john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 20 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >> For a long time I've put off any thought of mucking about doing any DTP > >> work in Windows because of the lack of a decent vector format - my Acorn > >> stuff is littered with drawfiles. > >Is it worth reminding folk that Draw now exports as SVG files? > WMF/EMF are not particularly good formats (probably why there is so much > fun when you try loading them into something). I'd say Draw was > superior. SVG is probably better than both. What I'd like to hear is > that there is a SVG renderer built into RISC OS... or that Draw can load > SVG. That clearly is the next step. I've not been following the Select work for a few months - maybe it's on its way? -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Sep 20 22:26:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032557028:10:25769:152".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:26:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032557028:10:25769:152; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:23:48 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113732; 20 Sep 2002 21:23 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17sVFL-0000fP-00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:31 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KLNSS01940 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KLNSV01937 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:28 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17sVFH-000NkE-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b791e678ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <39c91b794b%ovation@goatly.co.uk> References: <4b79141d42john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <39c91b794b%ovation@goatly.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 20 Sep, Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message <4b79141d42john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Is it worth reminding folk that Draw now exports as SVG files? > Hmmm - I've never seen that in the version on *my* machine (still on RO > 3.7 - bought both RO4 and Select but never had the time or courage to > upgrade). But I've just found that by commenting out the check for RO4 > in Draw 2.14 on the Select CD I can get it to work a treat, SVG saving > and all... I reckon 2.14 is a good application. Add SVG and PostScript import and all the SVG specification ... ;-) -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 21 14:15:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032612907:10:08200:40".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:15:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032612907:10:08200:40; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:55:07 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008088; 21 Sep 2002 12:54 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17sjlz-0007ik-00; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:54:11 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8LCrij27027 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:53:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8LCrhf27021 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:53:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17sjlX-0006WZ-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:53:43 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:52:29 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Macros not loading References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist >From: Robin Hampshire > >Now when I load OPro only !IdxPro and !NudgePal will load - all the > >others are "switched off" by OPro during the loading process. > > If you find the applets toggling between having a '-' sign on the end of > their name (and perhaps displaying a crossed out icon) and being normal, > then what is happening is that they are being run each time OP loads > (rather than being installed). > > Why might that happen? It will happen if the zero length !ARun file is > removed from the applet. Since this is what signifies it is an applet > and should be installed rather than being an application folder which > should be run. That's it. All of them except !IdxPro and !NudgePal had lost their ARun files 'cos these were (presumably) the only ones which are not zero length. Many thanks. -- Robin Hampshire Robin@brushford.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 21 14:15:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032613352:10:17067:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:15:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032613352:10:17067:52; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:02:32 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116618; 21 Sep 2002 13:02 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17sjts-0008C9-00; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:02:20 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8LD2Id28474 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:02:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8LD2HW28471 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:02:17 +0100 Received: from cmcqueen ([62.252.180.74]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020921130214.LWA20346.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@cmcqueen> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:02:14 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:01:28 GMT From: Colin McQueen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <69c16e794b.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <323a11794b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <323a11794b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <323a11794b.tim@worthy.demon.co.uk> Tim Howarth wrote: > In message <4iGaYeFPeLi9EwpX@pilling.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: > > > Is there a gap for handling EMF (enhanced meta files)? > > Can I put in a case/request for this. > > > Unfortunately the best route I've found for converting drawfiles to emf > is to load the drawfile into Xara X, export as Adobe ai format, load in > Adobe Illustrator then re-export as emf ! (cumbersome) > Aspex Software AspexDraw will import Drawfiles and export as wmf/emf -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 21 21:48:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032640803:20:04550:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:48:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032640803:20:04550:49; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:40:03 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109692; 21 Sep 2002 20:39 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17sr2V-0004Yb-00; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:39:43 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8LKdJZ07293 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:39:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8LKdI307290 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:39:18 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.7.75.69]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020921203918.MJSZ20346.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:39:18 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:39:39 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net In-Reply-To: <4b791d702fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In on Fri 20 Sep, John Cartmell wrote: > On 20 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >> For a long time I've put off any thought of mucking about doing any > > >> DTP work in Windows because of the lack of a decent vector format - my > > >> Acorn stuff is littered with drawfiles. > > >Is it worth reminding folk that Draw now exports as SVG files? > > > WMF/EMF are not particularly good formats (probably why there is so much > > fun when you try loading them into something). I'd say Draw was > > superior. SVG is probably better than both. What I'd like to hear is > > that there is a SVG renderer built into RISC OS... or that Draw can load > > SVG. > > That clearly is the next step. I've not been following the Select work for > a few months - maybe it's on its way? I don't remember any comments on the Select list other than that WSS do an SVG convertor (to draw files) which also functions as a plugin for web browsers. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Sep 21 23:28:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032646784:10:24767:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:28:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032646784:10:24767:52; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:19:44 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025300; 21 Sep 2002 22:19 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17ssb4-0007Cv-00; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:19:30 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8LMJ4e13529 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:19:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8LMJ3c13526 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:19:03 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17ssac-0004Nj-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:19:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:19:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b79a74ca9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b791d702fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist On 21 Sep, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Fri 20 Sep, John Cartmell wrote: > > > >Is it worth reminding folk that Draw now exports as SVG files? > > > WMF/EMF are not particularly good formats (probably why there is so > > > much fun when you try loading them into something). I'd say Draw > > > was superior. SVG is probably better than both. What I'd like to > > > hear is that there is a SVG renderer built into RISC OS... or that > > > Draw can load SVG. > > That clearly is the next step. I've not been following the Select work > > for a few months - maybe it's on its way? > I don't remember any comments on the Select list other than that WSS do > an SVG convertor (to draw files) which also functions as a plugin for > web browsers. That would be a good reason for ROL concentrating their energies elsewhere. -- John Cartmell john@cartmell.demon.co.uk FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine http://www.acornpublisher.com Fleur Designs (boardgames) http://www.cartmell.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 22 02:28:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032657749:10:06252:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:28:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032657749:10:06252:42; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 01:22:29 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119115; 22 Sep 2002 1:21 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17svR7-0006P8-00; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:21:25 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8M1KwM22960 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:20:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8M1KwJ22957 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:20:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17svQg-0000NP-0X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:20:58 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:19:22 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion References: <4b791d702fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4b79a74ca9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b79a74ca9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Thanks for all the messages about this. Does anyone know (private email I guess) a way of contacting Keith Sloan (WMF->Draw). I often used to chat with him in the early days when his DOS disc reader was popular. MetaConv (Gordon Key) also looks interesting. I've written to the email address on the Keysoft web site, although that doesn't inspire confidence. The idea is to licence one or the other in the simple form we require. Seems more sensible than reinventing the code. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 22 14:32:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032689373:10:18527:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:32:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032689373:10:18527:41; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:09:33 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017815; 22 Sep 2002 10:08 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17t3f4-0000hU-00; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:08:22 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8MA7jC21565 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:07:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8MA7iu21562 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:07:44 +0100 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:40:33 +0100 Received: from ace (unverified [213.48.181.144]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:40:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: VinceH To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:36:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b79e54d2fextsubs@softrock.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b791d702fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4b79a74ca9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article , David Pilling wrote: > Does anyone know (private email I guess) a way of contacting > Keith Sloan (WMF->Draw). I often used to chat with him in the > early days when his DOS disc reader was popular. He's been recently posting to csa.* - so a quick Google should find you a contact address (assuming he allows his posts to be archived). VinceH -- VinceH can be found in the vicinity of http://www.vinceh.com Soft Rock Software can be found around http://www.softrock.co.uk WebChange2 for RISC OS & Windows is at http://www.webchange.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sun Sep 22 17:01:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032709995:20:07673:109".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:01:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032709995:20:07673:109; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:53:15 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100490; 22 Sep 2002 15:52 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17t91q-0005UN-00; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:52:14 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8MFplO17662 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:51:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from tartarus.telenet-ops.be (tartarus.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.34]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8MFpkG17658 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:51:46 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tartarus.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 35EADDC73C for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:51:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from riscpc.be (D5763E7B.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.62.123]) by tartarus.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id BBA3ADC113 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:51:39 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:51:36 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: WMF conversion Message-ID: <4b7a07a923jdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: <4b79e54d2fextsubs@softrock.co.uk> References: <4b791d702fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4b79a74ca9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4b79e54d2fextsubs@softrock.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist VinceH wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > Does anyone know (private email I guess) a way of contacting > > Keith Sloan (WMF->Draw). I often used to chat with him in the > > early days when his DOS disc reader was popular. > He's been recently posting to csa.* - so a quick Google > should find you a contact address (assuming he allows > his posts to be archived). Done. Result: Keith_Sloan@uk.ibm.com Jan -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 1 21:45:05 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032791410:10:21394:122".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:45:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032791410:10:21394:122; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:30:10 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1021588; 23 Sep 2002 14:27 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17tTyx-0001kA-00; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:14:39 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8NEE5E22091 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:14:05 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from draal.greatmachine.org (draal.ux.his.no [152.94.1.222]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8NEE4Q22087 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:14:04 +0100 Received: from night.GreatMachine.org (unknown [213.225.65.194]) by draal.greatmachine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAAD681E2 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:14:06 +0200 (DST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020923161116.03f4a768@draal.greatmachine.org> X-Sender: zog@draal.greatmachine.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:13:57 +0200 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Ketil Kristiansen Subject: Re: [softwarelist] WMF conversion In-Reply-To: References: <4b79a74ca9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4b791d702fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4b79a74ca9john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist At 03:19 2002-09-22, you wrote: >MetaConv (Gordon Key) also looks interesting. I've written to the email >address on the Keysoft web site, although that doesn't inspire confidence. > >The idea is to licence one or the other in the simple form we require. >Seems more sensible than reinventing the code. You may also want to have a look at http://www.wvware.com/libwmf.html Apparently still in alpha, and released under LGPL, but might be interesting. Regards, -K -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 1 21:45:09 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032801051:10:26766:113".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:45:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032801051:10:26766:113; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:10:51 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127007; 23 Sep 2002 17:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17tWj5-0001r6-00; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:10:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8NH9rY29503 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:09:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8NH9rI29500 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:09:53 +0100 Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17tWiW-0003Pj-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:09:52 +0100 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:07:11 +0100 From: Jon Keates To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPro Macros not loading Message-ID: <221afe794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.65 (20 Apr 02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message David Pilling once upon a time wrote : [snip] > >I've tried removing all the applets and then adding them back one by > >one, but again the only ones that will load are the original two. I've > >also looked in Boot (OS2.9) for OPro references, but can't find any > >Choices data belonging to OPro, or other references to it. > > Not for the first time I wonder if there's an application around that > compares two directory trees and prints out the differences... > there's one on my crazy website, try http://www.tarazen.demon.co.uk/software/index.html It's called !Catatonic - a tonic for catalogues -) I'm just in the process of updating the site with new pages and the latest versions of my Apps. Version 3beta5 is at the final beta stage but has only been tested on my machine, SA and RO4.02, well maybe, nobody has reported any problems and nobody has said it works ok, in fact no feedback at all -( cheers Jon -- RISC OS Software : http://www.tarazen.demon.co.uk/software/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 1 21:45:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032817606:10:17428:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:45:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032817606:10:17428:54; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:46:46 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016551; 23 Sep 2002 21:45 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17tb1M-0001b0-00; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:45:36 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8NLjTQ32086 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:45:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (centipede.freedom2.net [213.161.67.201]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8NLjTM32083 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:45:29 +0100 Received: from [62.188.135.203] (helo=62.188.135.203) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17tb1B-0001pL-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:45:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:36:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP : is it possible to . . Message-ID: <4b7aab0a10steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b81ff794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> References: <4b81ff794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b81ff794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk>, Jon Keates wrote: > I have to print out copies of six years of correspondence, > probably over 250 sheets and I want to mark every sheet with > a faint watermark type stamp that will show but not hinder > reading the text, to make sure they are marked as a copy. > I could pass every sheet of paper through my laser first and > print a light image then print from OP on top of that, is it > ok to do two prints on the same side of a piece of paper ? > But I would like to automate the process if I can, is their > any way to impose something on every page of doc using OP > with out loading every doc and then stamping each page by > using an image on the Clipboard and then printing out > without saving. > any ideas welcome > Jon Dead easy! Go to OPro alternative site, I think. df.symes@argonet.co.uk has simple to follow instructions on watermarking. It's well worth experimenting with the technique (I use it in conjunction with PDF files to safeguard minutes which I produce for various groups - it is not easy to reproduce the combination of text and underlying graphic on another machine, on any platform!) If you then define your masterpage as having that watermark, I think that you should be able to achieve what you describe. HTH and enjoy! Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 1 21:45:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033325197:10:08946:42".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:45:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033325197:10:08946:42; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:46:37 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008312; 29 Sep 2002 18:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17vj4i-0001iC-00; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:45:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8TIhj304733 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:43:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8TIhbw04719 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:43:38 +0100 Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17vj2V-0003Tq-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:43:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:41:49 +0100 From: Jon Keates To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP : is it possible to . . Message-ID: References: <4b81ff794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> <67d6947a4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <67d6947a4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.65 (20 Apr 02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <67d6947a4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Alan Adams once upon a time wrote : > In message <4b81ff794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > I have to print out copies of six years of correspondence, > > probably over 250 sheets and I want to mark every sheet with > > a faint watermark type stamp that will show but not hinder > > reading the text, to make sure they are marked as a copy. > > > > I could pass every sheet of paper through my laser first and > > print a light image then print from OP on top of that, is it > > ok to do two prints on the same side of a piece of paper ? > > > > But I would like to automate the process if I can, is their > > any way to impose something on every page of doc using OP > > with out loading every doc and then stamping each page by > > using an image on the Clipboard and then printing out > > without saving. > > > > any ideas welcome > > > > Jon > > If the laser is PostScript, then a postscript program could be loaded before > the output, probably by modifying one of the PS files in the printer > directory (save first). > I do use PS but I have only 8MB memory in a HP1200 so only use PS for small docs, some docs are large but they have no graphics in them so might work out ok. But what PS file can I modify and how to do it is a bit beyond me. > If not, then you could add the image to the master page of each document. I > wonder whether it would be possible to automate this? Save as DDL, modify > the DDL by adding a chunk, reload and save? An Applet? > mmm that is an interesting idea for an Applet -) cheers -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 1 21:46:18 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032801049:20:07889:41".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:46:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032801049:20:07889:41; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:10:49 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126757; 23 Sep 2002 17:10 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17tWj5-0008Jm-00; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:10:27 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8NH9tu29510 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:09:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8NH9sL29507 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:09:54 +0100 Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17tWiX-0003Pj-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:09:54 +0100 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:22:31 +0100 From: Jon Keates To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: <4b81ff794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.65 (20 Apr 02) Subject: [softwarelist] OP : is it possible to . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist I have to print out copies of six years of correspondence, probably over 250 sheets and I want to mark every sheet with a faint watermark type stamp that will show but not hinder reading the text, to make sure they are marked as a copy. I could pass every sheet of paper through my laser first and print a light image then print from OP on top of that, is it ok to do two prints on the same side of a piece of paper ? But I would like to automate the process if I can, is their any way to impose something on every page of doc using OP with out loading every doc and then stamping each page by using an image on the Clipboard and then printing out without saving. any ideas welcome Jon -- The HG Super Computer was correct, everyone came 42 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 1 21:46:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032815157:20:08148:96".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:46:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032815157:20:08148:96; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:05:57 GMT Received: from smtp-relay02.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008080; 23 Sep 2002 21:05 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay1.noc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17taOU-0007bG-00; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:05:26 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8NL4nK27980 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:04:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8NL4mK27977 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:04:49 +0100 Received: from modem-1369.zebra.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.149.89] helo=riscpc) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17taNs-0006TG-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:04:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:33:37 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP : is it possible to . . Message-ID: <67d6947a4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4b81ff794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b81ff794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b81ff794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I have to print out copies of six years of correspondence, > probably over 250 sheets and I want to mark every sheet with > a faint watermark type stamp that will show but not hinder > reading the text, to make sure they are marked as a copy. > > I could pass every sheet of paper through my laser first and > print a light image then print from OP on top of that, is it > ok to do two prints on the same side of a piece of paper ? > > But I would like to automate the process if I can, is their > any way to impose something on every page of doc using OP > with out loading every doc and then stamping each page by > using an image on the Clipboard and then printing out > without saving. > > any ideas welcome > > Jon If the laser is PostScript, then a postscript program could be loaded before the output, probably by modifying one of the PS files in the printer directory (save first). If not, then you could add the image to the master page of each document. I wonder whether it would be possible to automate this? Save as DDL, modify the DDL by adding a chunk, reload and save? An Applet? Just thoughts. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 1 21:46:21 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1032849696:20:19909:49".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:46:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1032849696:20:19909:49; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 06:41:36 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108051; 24 Sep 2002 6:41 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17tjNl-0007R3-00; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:41:17 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8O6ehg29443 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:40:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8O6egI29440 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:40:42 +0100 Received: from [62.64.237.67] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17tjOI-000CVw-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:41:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:43:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP : is it possible to . . Message-ID: <4b7add30c5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b7aab0a10steyan@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b81ff794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> <4b7aab0a10steyan@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In article <4b7aab0a10steyan@argonet.co.uk>, Mr S A O Yandell wrote: > Dead easy! Go to OPro alternative site, I think. df.symes@argonet.co.uk > has simple to follow instructions on watermarking. It's well worth... My notes are still available but that Argo address has been dead for years. You need my ukgateway site. The location of the file is... http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net/daves/store/wmhow.zip Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 1 21:46:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1033325177:20:19354:88".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:46:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1033325177:20:19354:88; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:46:17 GMT Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net ([212.69.192.4]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019499; 29 Sep 2002 18:46 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=spellings.dsvr.co.uk) by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 17vj4i-0000oI-00; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:45:52 +0100 Received: (from admin@localhost) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8TIhd304725 for softwarelist-OutGoing; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:43:39 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: spellings.dsvr.co.uk: admin set sender to owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by spellings.dsvr.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8TIhbO04720 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:43:38 +0100 Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17vj2U-0003Tq-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:43:35 +0100 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:31:51 +0100 From: Jon Keates To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP : is it possible to . . Message-ID: References: <4b81ff794b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> <4b7aab0a10steyan@argonet.co.uk> <4b7add30c5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b7add30c5dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60a (MsgServe/2.01beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.65 (20 Apr 02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist In message <4b7add30c5dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes once upon a time wrote : > In article <4b7aab0a10steyan@argonet.co.uk>, > Mr S A O Yandell wrote: > > Dead easy! Go to OPro alternative site, I think. df.symes@argonet.co.uk > > has simple to follow instructions on watermarking. It's well worth... > > My notes are still available but that Argo address has been dead for years. > > You need my ukgateway site. > The location of the file is... > > http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net/daves/store/wmhow.zip > Thanks Dave I'll have look -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net