From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 12:34:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025688579:20:05031:114".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:34:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025688579:20:05031:114; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:29:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005350; 3 Jul 2002 9:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g639UlQ21219 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:30:47 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g639UiM21214 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:30:45 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust56.tnt28.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.150.56] with SMTP for id LAA22535 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:27:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000c01c22274$23b37770$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <005501c221aa$2d9b8900$4d01a8c0@padua> <17001.195.152.254.85.1025612422.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:28:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Jul, "David Breakwell" wrote: about > OLE ... > a drawfile or artworks type header. ... > an extended drawfile format and > DDF is a text format and can only be used > to store text story information (inclusing styles, rulers etc but not > embedded graphics). DDL as used by OP is a Document Description Language > and contains a full description of a document or story. Thank you for the extensive explanation. mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 12:34:21 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025684040:10:01956:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:34:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025684040:10:01956:56; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:14:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001359; 3 Jul 2002 8:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g638Er420900 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:14:53 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g638EpM20897 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:14:51 +0100 Received: from [62.188.156.112] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17PfEU-0000OJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:11:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:01:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands Message-ID: <4b4fde75a7steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > 1. Create DDL natively - the easy way is to create an outline document > in OP and save it out - you can then see where the various bits go (it > is very structured and not difficult to disect). Certainly is, otherwise I'd not have managed the Organizer export scripts so easily. > I have a BASIC program > that will convert graphics files to OP if you need some code for this. Does that create fairly large OP files as a result? Maybe a method of inserting pointers to the graphic file would be a better route? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 12:34:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025684406:10:10965:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:34:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025684406:10:10965:55; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:20:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009949; 3 Jul 2002 8:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g638L3d20974 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:21:03 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g638L0M20970 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:21:01 +0100 Received: from frogger ([127.0.0.1] helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17PfKV-0000WC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:17:39 +0100 Received: from 195.152.254.85 (proxying for unknown) (WebMail authenticated user bb07) by email.argonet.co.uk with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:17:39 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <55304.195.152.254.85.1025684259.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:17:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands From: "David Breakwell" To: In-Reply-To: <4b4fde75a7steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b4fde75a7steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: WebMail (version 3.21 ß) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > In article > <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk>, > David Breakwell wrote: > >> 1. Create DDL natively - the easy way is to create an outline document >> in OP and save it out - you can then see where the various bits go (it >> is very structured and not difficult to disect). > > Certainly is, otherwise I'd not have managed the Organizer export > scripts so easily. > >> I have a BASIC program >> that will convert graphics files to OP if you need some code for this. > > Does that create fairly large OP files as a result? > Maybe a method of inserting pointers to the graphic file would be a > better route? > Reasonably large - you can do image references in DDL - it depends what you want to do with the file afterwards... David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 12:34:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025684869:10:22688:141".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:34:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025684869:10:22688:141; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:27:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115199; 3 Jul 2002 8:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g638Smj21058 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:28:48 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g638SkM21055 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:28:46 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host62-7-135-233.webport.bt.net [62.7.135.233]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g638TcF03284 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:29:38 GMT Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:00:28 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Buying Ovation Pro? Message-ID: <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> In-Reply-To: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> you wrote: > Hi, > > As a long term Impression User for professional Graphics work, I am > considering moving over to Ovation for two reasons: > > Memory usage: Impression is failing on RISC OS 4 with larger documents > 50Mb plus. Is that true even when using the application directory format, which reduces memory requirements significantly. Again with Ovation Pro large documents benefit by using referenced pictures, where the full res image is linked to the document rather than being embedded in it. > > Document Print Hanndling: I need to be able to create magazine type > layouts which I need to then create with the page layouts set up > correctly for print eg. page 2 and 3 next to each on screen when > designing but on the final layout it could be page 2 & 16, impression > does not do this when you need all the crop marks, registration marks et > al. Also it would be nice if I could set up one business card design and > then have Ovation lay it out four up on A5 with no margins between cards > ready for cutting but with crop marks etc. round the outisde. > A major weakness with Impression - impose two pages side by side with crop marks and the pages are pushed apart by the crop marks. > How does Ovation fare in these respects? > I use the Pamphlet printing option for this purpose and it works fine with all crop and reg marks correctly placed. Thumbnails would not do this as Thumbnails maintains the on screen sequence, rather than the imposed order. Acorn Publisher is produced in Ovation Pro and output as imposed pairs without problem. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 18:19:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025716087:10:07731:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:19:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025716087:10:07731:66; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:08:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100502; 3 Jul 2002 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g63H8jv22066 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:08:45 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63H8hM22063 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:08:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17PnaI-000777-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:06:30 +0100 Message-ID: <$o7i38FP7yI9EwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:05:19 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Numbering copies References: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd say look at the advanced mail merge document (on my web site) or better read the chapter on mail merge in the 'new' manual - i.e. the manual on CD. OP can handle printing 'bingo tickets' (random numbers) or entry tickets (sequential numbers). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 18:19:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025716055:20:02368:84".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:19:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025716055:20:02368:84; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:07:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103698; 3 Jul 2002 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g63H85p22061 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:08:05 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63H83M22058 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:08:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17PnZe-0006rm-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:05:50 +0100 Message-ID: <5IQjPiFh6yI9Ewr4@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:04:33 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Numbering Copies References: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 14:09:54 +0100 >From: Martin Young I am producing a Programme for our local festive day - a Ram Roast. We are going to sell Programmes as an entry fee and are going to give a prize to the winner of a lucky draw. This will be a number printed on the front cover. The number has to be incremental or there might be a riot. The whole thing is going to be a 4 sheet pamphlet. How do you achieve this with !OPro. I had a look at Sequence but don't think it will h e l p. I can always pass the front sheet through again but was hoping for a sophisticated method. Well any method would be fine as I am easy to please, and to the person who hel ps goes my heart felt thanks and if I see them in our local pub I'll buy them a pint of two! Martin Young Bridestowe. PS if you're in the West Devon area on August 3rd pop in to see us in festive mood, ie pissed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 3 20:19:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025723385:10:12728:80".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:19:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025723385:10:12728:80; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:09:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1120966; 3 Jul 2002 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g63JAs222319 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:10:54 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63JApM22316 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:10:51 +0100 Received: from myoung.demon.co.uk ([193.237.60.88]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17PpUT-000Nwq-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:08:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:10:33 +0100 From: Martin Young To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Numbering copies Message-ID: <172a63504b.myoung@myoung.demon.co.uk> References: <38d125504b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> <$o7i38FP7yI9EwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$o7i38FP7yI9EwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <$o7i38FP7yI9EwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I'd say look at the advanced mail merge document (on my web site) or > better read the chapter on mail merge in the 'new' manual - i.e. the > manual on CD. > > OP can handle printing 'bingo tickets' (random numbers) or entry tickets > (sequential numbers). > Many thanks. As always the answer lies in the manual. Suitably contrite. Martin Young -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 5 22:22:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025903306:10:27186:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:22:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025903306:10:27186:64; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:08:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121971; 5 Jul 2002 21:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g65L85o25884 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:08:05 +0100 Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g65L83M25881 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:08:03 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async22-7.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.103.22]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AHW43226; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:05:33 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:04:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Buying Ovation Pro? Message-ID: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> References: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The only aspect of OvationPro that I find maddening compared with Impression is the Tab ruler. Unlike Impression the text margins and tabs are not shown on the general ruler but on a ruler that is called when required. The ruler appears over the first highlighted line, thus often covering the feature one is trying to line up with. To get around this it is possible to use the less than intuitive feature of highlighting from the bottom to the top in which case the ruler appears over the highlighted section. However if one wants to adjust a tab on a single line to match a position on the line above the ruler always obscures the line above. To add to the torment a large box appears to allow you to enter figures again adding to the obstruction. In addition unlike in Impression where you can immediately see what is happening as you drag a tab or margin, in OP you have to click a button before you can see that things are not alligned as you want them. In Impression if you highlight an area where the tabs are different on different lines the ruler presentation lets you know there is a variation and allows you to unify the tabs over the highlighted section by clicking on any of the margins or tabs. Not so in OP. I know this has been discussed before but I can't understand why more people transferring from Impression have not complained about this. This is the only reasion that I still often use Impression and is the only aspect of OP that is very poor and frustrating compared with Impression. Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 02:07:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025916924:20:06139:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:07:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025916924:20:06139:52; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 00:55:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105446; 6 Jul 2002 0:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g660vUM26169 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:57:30 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g660vSM26166 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:57:28 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17QdqV-000CJj-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:54:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:50:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Buying Ovation Pro? Message-ID: <4b5189ffceJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> References: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk>, Roger Penniceard wrote: > The only aspect of OvationPro that I find maddening compared with > Impression is the Tab ruler... I've never used impression, but I agree completely about the nuisance of the OP tab ruler getting in the way of what one wants to see... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 13:35:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025952771:10:14699:87".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:35:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025952771:10:14699:87; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 10:52:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015881; 6 Jul 2002 10:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66AsG326682 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:54:16 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66AsEM26679 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:54:14 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.53.119]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYTQ5F01.VA4 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:51:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:47:33 +0200 Subject: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) Message-ID: <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Breakwell advised: > 1. Create DDL natively - the easy way is to create an outline document > in OP and save it out - you can then see where the various bits go (it > is very structured and not difficult to disect). I have a BASIC program > that will convert graphics files to OP if you need some code for this. > 2. Mail merge your data into OP - mail merge can include graphics. > 3. Write an OP script to insert DDL into your file when a trigger text is > reached (advanced search and replace). Starting with the latter: unfortunately I can't write OP scripts. And creating DDL natively is beyond my skills as well - despite David Pillings suggestion that creating DDL or DDF is equally easy (or hard). Besides, a DDL file of the booklet that I intend to make is awfully large, where the appropriate DDF script counts no more than 8 simple lines (albeit without picture import, of course). So I tried to do the job with mail merging. The true benefit was my first plunge into the fascinating world of advanced merging techniques. And I did manage to merge pictures into some test files. However, the attempt to replace the old pamphlet (with beautiful lay-out) by a working mail merging document completely failed. Text merges perfectly (well... see later), even when spread over two frames per record. But whatever I try, the frames that should contain the referenced pictures (six on a page), seem to be linked somehow, since they all contain the same picture - being the first one of every page. I mean, when clicking on Next, all pictures change to the first one of the new page, where the accompanying text merges continuously without problem. What am I doing wrong? A second, and big, problem is, that by no means I can get OPro to print the single page in a pamphlet way. A possible solution perhaps is to create as many pages as will be needed, all filled with the same merging tags. But that involves as much work as importing the pictures manually in the old model, isn't it? The third problem is perhaps even unsolvable. The texts contain lines like: Director: Steven Spielberg Music: John Williams etc... ..where Director and Music is fixed text and Steven Spielberg and John Williams are imported from the relative fields. My database script (which generates a DDF file) easily wipes these lines when there is no director or no music. As far as I've understood, mail merging commands can also skip lines when the relevant field is empty, but they cannot wipe the preceding fixed text. Or can they? Very curious about replies, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 13:35:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025957483:10:00601:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:35:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025957483:10:00601:56; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:11:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103432; 6 Jul 2002 12:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66CDDQ26815 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:13:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66CDAM26812 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:13:11 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17QoOG-0000tT-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:10:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:57:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) Message-ID: <4b51c70afcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Besides, a DDL file of the booklet that I intend to make is awfully > large, where the appropriate DDF script counts no more than 8 simple > lines (albeit without picture import, of course). That sounds odd to me, though I don't know anything about DDF. Can you post the DDF sample along with an explanation of what it means so that DDF-ignorant people like me can understand your problem? [snip] > The third problem is perhaps even unsolvable. > The texts contain lines like: > Director: Steven Spielberg > Music: John Williams > etc... > ...where Director and Music is fixed text and Steven Spielberg and John > Williams are imported from the relative fields. > My database script (which generates a DDF file) easily wipes these > lines when there is no director or no music. As far as I've understood, > mail merging commands can also skip lines when the relevant field is > empty, but they cannot wipe the preceding fixed text. Or can they? I think the solution is to make the fixed fields not-fixed so that they only have values when there are names about to follow them. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 14:05:25 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025960002:10:16475:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:05:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025960002:10:16475:59; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:53:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016264; 6 Jul 2002 12:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66Cta426923 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:55:36 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66CtYM26920 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:55:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17Qp3N-0004Bu-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:52:45 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:51:20 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >And creating DDL natively is beyond my skills as well - despite David >Pillings suggestion that creating DDL or DDF is equally easy (or hard). The OP DDF loader converts DDF to DDL. I'm thinking here that you might use it by hand to convert your DDF, you can then see how they're equivalent, and only change the bits that need changing. >Besides, a DDL file of the booklet that I intend to make is awfully large, >where the appropriate DDF script counts no more than 8 simple lines (albeit >without picture import, of course). DDL can be used in two modes - one to reproduce an entire document, another to just contain some text. Clearly the whole document mode produces large files, they've got to define everything about the document. For bits of text the size will be little different to DDF. To get an example DDL file for some text mark some text and use the save selection feature in OP. >per record. But whatever I try, the frames that should contain the >referenced pictures (six on a page), seem to be linked somehow, since they >all contain the same picture - being the first one of every page. Presumably you've got the mail merge data wrong so that the same picture is used instead of different ones. >A second, and big, problem is, that by no means I can get OPro to print the >single page in a pamphlet way. Goto the Print window, set pamphlet mode (and any other printing parameters), click on Set, save the document. Now goto the mailmerge window and any printing will take place with the parameters you just set e.g. pamphlet mode. >A possible solution perhaps is to create as many pages as will be needed, >all filled with the same merging tags. But that involves as much work as >importing the pictures manually in the old model, isn't it? I'm not sure I've understood the problem here... >The texts contain lines like: >Director: Steven Spielberg >..where Director and Music is fixed text and Steven Spielberg and John >Williams are imported from the relative fields. >the relevant field is empty, but they cannot wipe the preceding fixed text. >Or can they? There's probably an evil trick involving a mail merge field with a move command in it (move back over the fixed text) and a line of spaces (blot it out). That will only work if text background colour is set. As Jeremy Nicoll said you could extend the merged data to include text like "Director". Or you could make the mail merge field add this to the data it reads from the csv file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 14:50:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025962852:20:06583:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:50:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025962852:20:06583:58; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:40:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006570; 6 Jul 2002 13:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66DhJl27031 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:43:19 +0100 Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66DhGM27028 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:43:16 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.52.218]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYTXZ802.R7J for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:40:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:33:55 +0200 Subject: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) Message-ID: <4b51cfda64paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b51c70afcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51c70afcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: >> a DDL file of the booklet that I intend to make is awfully > > large, where the appropriate DDF script counts no more than 8 simple > > lines (albeit without picture import, of course). > That sounds odd to me, though I don't know anything about DDF. Sorry. Only the database script counts 8 lines. The DDF file that it creates is much larger, of course. I've sent an example to Jeremy. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 16:50:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025969828:10:00843:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:50:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025969828:10:00843:52; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:37:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112239; 6 Jul 2002 15:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66FcZl27271 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:38:35 +0100 Received: from smtp08.wxs.nl (smtp08.wxs.nl [195.121.6.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66FcXM27268 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:38:33 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.53.6]) by smtp08.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYU3BB01.75Y for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:35:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:35:29 +0200 Subject: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) Message-ID: <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > To get an example DDL file for some text mark some text and use the > save selection feature in OP. Point taken. And it works indeed... for text. But how do I add referenced picture import? >> since they all contain the same picture - being the first one of every >> page. > Presumably you've got the mail merge data wrong so that the same picture > is used instead of different ones. Wich data? The tag? Or the Field script? Or something else? As far as I know I did everything according to what te manual told me to do (and I did it 47 times). > Goto the Print window, set pamphlet mode (and any other printing > parameters), click on Set, save the document. etc. Yes. This works, Thank you very much. > As Jeremy Nicoll said you could extend the merged data to include text > like "Director". This is unacceptable, as it changes the database contents in a silly way. > Or you could make the mail merge field add this to the data it reads > from the csv file. That sounds a lot better, but how is this to be done? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 6 17:20:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025972052:20:01739:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:20:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025972052:20:01739:51; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:14:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000785; 6 Jul 2002 16:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66GG0n27374 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:16:00 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66GFwM27371 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:15:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17QsBG-0004EO-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:13:06 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:11:40 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> To get an example DDL file for some text mark some text and use the >> save selection feature in OP. >Point taken. And it works indeed... for text. >But how do I add referenced picture import? Mark off an embedded picture and export it. To be honest I suspect such an import won't work too well, and you may not want embedded frames. >Wich data? The tag? Or the Field script? Or something else? One tag for each record in the csv file. One field script for each tag. From what has been said here I can't understand enough. >As far as I know I did everything according to what te manual told me to do >(and I did it 47 times). That seems a lot. >That sounds a lot better, but how is this to be done? something like if(record=="") then macv="" else macv="Director:"+record -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:30 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025972533:20:10889:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025972533:20:10889:66; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:22:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010710; 6 Jul 2002 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g66GOeI27401 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:24:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66GOcM27398 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:24:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17QsJe-0004xX-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:21:47 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:20:11 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> As Jeremy Nicoll said you could extend the merged data to include text >> like "Director". >This is unacceptable, as it changes the database contents in a silly way. Well it depends, if you're exporting a csv file, then you could edit that, or some databases will give you formatting control over the generation of the csv file. If you've got N records in your database and you want to print an N page document (with more than one page per piece of paper), the usual snag is that OP won't let you generate that as a N copies of a 1 page document. So you've got to produce N pages, each page has tags in for the fields in one database record. Then the last tag has a nextrecord() command. This is described in the OP manual - for the classic situation of label printing. The question then is why might this not work for pictures. Well they all have to have different names. And it would be interesting to know if all the pictures are the same, are they copies of the first picture or the last. How are the pictures stored - all on disc or inside a database? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:41 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026038084:20:18341:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026038084:20:18341:54; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 10:34:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018101; 7 Jul 2002 10:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g67AZe028652 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:35:40 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67AZbM28649 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:35:37 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.53.69]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYVJY402.M59 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:32:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:30:44 +0200 Subject: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) Message-ID: <4b5242eb0bpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > Mark off an embedded picture and export it. To be honest I suspect such > an import won't work too well, and you may not want embedded frames. Rather not. Nevertheless I've tried this, but then it appeared that using embedded frames, picture reference is no longer possible. So I returned to the advanced mail merging. Thanks to all the suggestions I've come quite far now. Picture importing now works well (in spite of my 47 former tries, it appeared that, cough, I didn't read the manual carefully enough). I also managed to skip fixed text, when the relevant field is empty. But... I can't manage to skip the blank line that is created by all that skipping. I therefore installed the !MergeLib macro and entered the required text into the Fields window - {macv=merge_strip(x,y)} First of all, I don't really understand which values x and y represent. X seems to be the relevant field number, but what is y? Anyhow, whatever I enter (and whatever effect it causes), blank lines don't get skipped. Perhaps something is wrong with the !MergeLib macro too, as I get a Serious Error warning, as soon as it is started up, saying: Multiple definition. The worst thing, however, is that, in spite of what I wrote before, printing doesn't work. I now have a single page, containing 6 groups of three frames, each of them having the merging tags. When I start mail merging on screen, everything seems to work fine for all of the 10 pages of the entire document. Now I want to print these pages as a pamphlet. I did what Mr. Pilling suggested: opening the Print window, setting everything for the pamphlet printing (including the back pages only, to start with), click on Set, save the file, and start merging. First of all, the on screen merging now still shows the front pages. And when the real printing starts, 10 pages are produced, rather than 3. Ten BLANK pages, to be precise. The same is true when I change printing settings - for example to Normal. Interesting or annoying? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026060193:20:12385:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026060193:20:12385:53; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:43:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113131; 7 Jul 2002 16:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g67GiQF28999 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:44:26 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67GiNM28996 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:44:23 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.4.7.169]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020707164119.VICC4119.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:41:19 +0100 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:41:04 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) Subject: NudgePal query X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro How can I stop NudgePal setting a Key macro for Ctrl-K every time that it starts? I prefer using this for the OvPro default command of delete object. Thanks, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026128992:20:24688:73".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026128992:20:24688:73; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:49:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115279; 8 Jul 2002 11:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68BpZ730411 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:51:35 +0100 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68BpWM30408 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:51:33 +0100 Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-93-232.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.93.232]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIC00770; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:48:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:46:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:46:47 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <78b7cd524b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Stefan Bellon wrote: > Hi! > > Sorry if this is a FAQ. I haven't been following discussions on this > list recently, but now I wanted to print out a few EPS files with > OvationPro (version 2.67 here). However I've read that OEPS can only > print on a PostScript-capable printer (which I don't have) and the EPS > files I want to print don't have a preview image inside them. > > So, I'd like to ask whether those two are the only options I have or > whether I missed something: > > 1) Configure a RISC OS PostScript printer driver, print to a file, load > this file into RiScript and print from there (bah, complicated). > Riscript is probably your best bet if you want to do it all on the Risc OS platform. Try loading your eps files directly into RiScript and then saving them as Draw files which can be loaded into OvPro. The preview idea is probably not so good, since the preview would be a low resolution image. If you really wanted one you could probably do it with ghostscript, but that might be messier than with RiScript. EPS files are fragments of postscript which are just fed out into the postscript stream during printing. As far as I know, OvPro doesn't interpret them, except for extracting a preview if there is one for screen display purposes. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026130975:20:20955:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026130975:20:20955:64; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:22:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020882; 8 Jul 2002 12:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68COx230584 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:24:59 +0100 Received: from localhost (foobar@pD9506598.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.101.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68COvM30581 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:24:57 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.104] helo=veni) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17RXWP-0000TU-00 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:21:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:20:43 +0200 Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <4b52d0d2c8sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <78b7cd524b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> <78b7cd524b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: [snip] > Riscript is probably your best bet if you want to do it all on > the Risc OS platform. Oh, I would be fine with a tool "eps2drawfile" for Linux as well. ;-) > Try loading your eps files directly into RiScript and then saving > them as Draw files which can be loaded into OvPro. Yes, that's what I'm doing ATM. But I have _lots_ of EPS files and I don't want to do this by hand. This isn't going to be my final results, it's just a quick draft I want to print out. And OvationPro seems to me the program which lets me do this quickest. But ... > The preview idea is probably not so good, since the preview would > be a low resolution image. If you really wanted one you could > probably do it with ghostscript, but that might be messier than > with RiScript. Yes, I agree. > EPS files are fragments of postscript which are just fed out into > the postscript stream during printing. As far as I know, OvPro > doesn't interpret them, except for extracting a preview if there > is one for screen display purposes. That's how I understood it as well. But as it's just for a draft, I think I could live with preview quality. Well, perhaps it's easier to convert the EPS files indeed to something like TIFF and import that into OvationPro. The final results will be done in LaTeX anyway, so EPS is no problem for the final result, just for my draft now. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page ... A)bort R)etry G)et a stick and kill it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026160630:20:00251:121".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026160630:20:00251:121; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:37:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114536; 8 Jul 2002 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68KdVO31334 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:39:31 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68KdSM31331 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:39:28 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-1-dialup-209.spectraweb.ch [194.230.153.209]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id g68Ka0Y17005 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:36:00 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:09:02 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Buying Ovation Pro? To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Jul, Ian ODonnell wrote: snip some > Also it would be nice if I could set up one business card design and > then have Ovation lay it out four up on A5 with no margins between cards > ready for cutting but with crop marks etc. round the outisde. > > How does Ovation fare in these respects? In a superb way. Even easier if you use pre-defined card layouts as: Zweckform 32010 db Boeder no. 10570 Zweckform 32017 (double visiting cards) albeit all designed for A4 paper size. The nice thing: you do not need crop marks etc. ... Just read the settings, enter these in OvPro Master frame, decide whether to link the frames, and all is set. You only need to draw/prcise one frame. The rest are created by copying. The manual gives all info you need. This system can be used with several Applets actually available. If you do not succeed, mail me directly with details of your card layout. That is: one single card. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026162961:20:19037:84".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026162961:20:19037:84; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 21:16:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101159; 8 Jul 2002 21:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68LIqf31463 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:18:52 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68LIoM31460 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:18:50 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.0.16.154]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020708211529.JSQR16050.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:15:29 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:15:42 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: EPS printing To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 08 Jul, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Hi! > > Sorry if this is a FAQ. I haven't been following discussions on this > list recently, but now I wanted to print out a few EPS files with > OvationPro (version 2.67 here). However I've read that OEPS can only > print on a PostScript-capable printer (which I don't have) and the EPS > files I want to print don't have a preview image inside them. > > So, I'd like to ask whether those two are the only options I have or > whether I missed something: > > 1) Configure a RISC OS PostScript printer driver, print to a file, load > this file into RiScript and print from there (bah, complicated). > > 2) Find a utility (on the Linux box) which can add a preview image to > the EPS files (which utility can do this?). Ghostscript on RISC OS or Linux or ... whatever OS you get hold of a copy for. There is a ps2epsi which seems to be able to take EPS as input and output EPSI with bitmap preview. As GS can be command line driven it should be possible to batch the conversion of a group of files and leave it to run overnight if necessary. > I'd appreciate any hints on this topic. If this was already answered, a > pointer to an archive of the messages is enough. ;-) > > Greetings, > > Stefan. > Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026167953:20:29752:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026167953:20:29752:70; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 22:39:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104453; 8 Jul 2002 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68Mg1731775 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:42:01 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68MfxM31772 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:41:59 +0100 Received: from [62.188.145.123] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Rh7y-0004zb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:37:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:38:27 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz> References: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz>, Tim King wrote: > Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number > being inserted into the text? > ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the > existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you > always get a 4 added to the text. That's odd, it doesn't happen here, so I can't help you with that. Does anyone else get the number inserted into the text, as Tim describes? I'd be interested to hear from others who use NudgePal. (Obviously the key macros must be Activated for NudgePal. i.e. select the Option button at the top of the 'Nudge key definitions' window. Opened from:- Applets -> Nudge palette -> Key macros... or from the palette's menu.) Gav. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:56 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026217573:20:24111:93".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026217573:20:24111:93; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:26:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117753; 9 Jul 2002 12:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69CRL200341 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69CRJM00338 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:19 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Ru20-000Phq-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:23:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:24:15 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b534f7d39Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <042b3c534b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <042b3c534b.john@xl-cambridge.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <042b3c534b.john@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew wrote: > Gavin sorted this out for me - it was because (after an upgrade) > NudgePal was using an old version of its choices files. That's a thought - do OP applets choices files reside in Choices: or are they kept inside the individual applets? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026217573:20:24166:88".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026217573:20:24166:88; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:26:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117754; 9 Jul 2002 12:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69CR8f00336 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:08 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69CR6M00333 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:06 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Ru1m-000Phq-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:23:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:23:03 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b534f6110Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz> <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz>, > Tim King wrote: > > Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number > > being inserted into the text? > > ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the > > existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you > > always get a 4 added to the text. > That's odd, it doesn't happen here, so I can't help you with that. I don't use this tool at all so pardon me if this is a stupid question: By "^K4" does Tim mean hold down Ctrl, press K, press 4, release Ctrl or does he mean hold down Ctrl, press K, release Ctrl, press 4 ? And, would it matter which in any case? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:57 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026222828:20:16628:75".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026222828:20:16628:75; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:53:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123616; 9 Jul 2002 13:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69DtcR00660 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:55:38 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DtaM00657 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:55:36 +0100 Received: from [213.116.54.58] (helo=Art) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17RvNy-00076c-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:50:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:32:32 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b535b3bc7gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Graddol wrote: > But while you are on the line, is there an easy way of bringing > nudgepal window to the front? It always seems buried when I need > to use it. There is the buttonbar button macro that will open the palette (and bring it to the top) with a Select click and close it with Adjust. This macro is defined by NudgePal but you will need to activate it from the Macros window (and save your macros to keep it for next time). Or do you want to open it via a key macro? Although, if you are using the keyboard you could just nudge the object using the key macros. A key macro to open the Nudge palette could be created using: {macv=nudgepal_buttonclick(256,macview);} > Thanks for a great tool. I'm glad others find it useful. :-) Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:25:58 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026243140:20:06472:146".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:25:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026243140:20:06472:146; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:32:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006985; 9 Jul 2002 19:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69JYVt01178 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:34:31 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69JYTM01175 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:34:29 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.0.16.154]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020709193049.KZSH28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:30:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:31:00 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: NudgePal query To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 09 Jul, David Graddol wrote: > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > In article <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > > In article <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz>, > > > Tim King wrote: > > > > Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number > > > > being inserted into the text? > > > > > > ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the > > > > existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you > > > > always get a 4 added to the text. > > > > > That's odd, it doesn't happen here, so I can't help you with that. > > > > I don't use this tool at all so pardon me if this is a stupid question: > > > > By "^K4" does Tim mean hold down Ctrl, press K, press 4, release Ctrl or > > does he mean hold down Ctrl, press K, release Ctrl, press 4 ? And, > > would it matter which in any case? > > I assume he means, Ctrl and key 4 on the number keypad (i.e. two > keys). K4 is marked as an alternate cursor left. In that case does the state of NumLock make a difference? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026068459:10:29564:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026068459:10:29564:59; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:00:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109582; 7 Jul 2002 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g67J2QK29192 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:02:26 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67J2NM29189 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:02:23 +0100 Received: from [62.188.130.65] (helo=ghc) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17RHEC-0001aJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:57:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:58:38 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Pettigrew wrote: > How can I stop NudgePal setting a Key macro for Ctrl-K every time that > it starts? I prefer using this for the OvPro default command of delete > object. NudgePal shouldn't be setting any Key macros other than the ones that it has been instructed to use by the user. It certainly hasn't got a Ctrl-K macro hard-wired into the code. I suggest you check the values in the 'Nudge key definitions' window to see if a Ctrl-K has been entered as one of the values. Open the window from the menu: Applets -> Nudge palette -> Key macros... or menu over the Nudge Palette window. The key macro settings that are entered as default (as supplied) are all keys on the keypad, with either Ctrl or Ctrl+Shift, but they are all de-activated, and greyed-out unless the Option button at the top of the window is selected. This provides a quick way to turn off the macros without losing all your preferred settings. Any writable left blank will not define a macro, so you can just set the actions you want. To revert to the standard defined macros you can delete the file:- !OvnPro.Applets.!NudgePal.choices.keydef and re-run Ovation Pro. Hope that helps. If that doesn't sort out the problem then email me directly. Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026121837:10:04203:74".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026121837:10:04203:74; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 09:50:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105766; 8 Jul 2002 9:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g689ojk30092 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:50:45 +0100 Received: from localhost (foobar@pD9506598.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.101.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g689ogM30089 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:50:42 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.104] helo=veni) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17RV73-00089g-00 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:47:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:47:22 +0200 Subject: EPS printing Message-ID: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi! Sorry if this is a FAQ. I haven't been following discussions on this list recently, but now I wanted to print out a few EPS files with OvationPro (version 2.67 here). However I've read that OEPS can only print on a PostScript-capable printer (which I don't have) and the EPS files I want to print don't have a preview image inside them. So, I'd like to ask whether those two are the only options I have or whether I missed something: 1) Configure a RISC OS PostScript printer driver, print to a file, load this file into RiScript and print from there (bah, complicated). 2) Find a utility (on the Linux box) which can add a preview image to the EPS files (which utility can do this?). I'd appreciate any hints on this topic. If this was already answered, a pointer to an archive of the messages is enough. ;-) Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page You cannot kill time without injuring eternity. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026127415:10:09819:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026127415:10:09819:60; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:23:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102500; 8 Jul 2002 11:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68BOK030299 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:24:20 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68BOHM30296 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:24:17 +0100 Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.177.213]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020708112101.HMVD19225.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:21:01 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE8E2C743 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:21:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.53) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 08 Jul 2002 12:20:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:20:47 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: References: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: >Hi! > >Sorry if this is a FAQ. I haven't been following discussions on this >list recently, but now I wanted to print out a few EPS files with >OvationPro (version 2.67 here). > >So, I'd like to ask whether those two are the only options I have or >whether I missed something: > >1) [snip] >2) [snip] A possible 3rd option: Try loading the file into Artworks or Vantage if you have either of them. I know Artworks can load and save to EPS format although you may run into problems if the EPS file contains something that Artworks doesn't understand. You may also need to tweak/change a value in the EPS file, possibly relating to the EPS version no. Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026130668:10:03079:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026130668:10:03079:51; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:17:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109964; 8 Jul 2002 12:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68CJPk30511 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:19:25 +0100 Received: from localhost (foobar@pD9506598.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.101.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68CJMM30508 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:19:22 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.104] helo=veni) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17RXR0-0000T6-00 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:16:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:55:39 +0200 Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <4b52ce8753sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Philip Ludlam wrote: [snip] > A possible 3rd option: > Try loading the file into Artworks or Vantage if you have either of > them. Artworks (1.7d) cannot load those EPS files. Well, it behaves like it loaded them, it even shows "1 group in Foreground" but you don't see anything. And if you clear the selection and then do a "Select all", then nothing gets selected. So I don't think the import worked at all. And I don't have Vantage. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page WOMAN.ZIP - Great program but no documentation. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026133233:10:04882:96".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026133233:10:04882:96; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:00:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005146; 8 Jul 2002 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68D20n30691 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:02:00 +0100 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68D1vM30688 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:01:57 +0100 Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-77-21.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.77.21]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIC05394; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:58:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:52:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:52:34 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <37bdd3524b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b52d0d2c8sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Stefan Bellon wrote: > David Graddol wrote: > > [snip] > > > Riscript is probably your best bet if you want to do it all on > > the Risc OS platform. > > Oh, I would be fine with a tool "eps2drawfile" for Linux as well. ;-) > > > Try loading your eps files directly into RiScript and then saving > > them as Draw files which can be loaded into OvPro. > > Yes, that's what I'm doing ATM. But I have _lots_ of EPS files and I > don't want to do this by hand. This isn't going to be my final results, > it's just a quick draft I want to print out. And OvationPro seems to me > the program which lets me do this quickest. But ... > > > The preview idea is probably not so good, since the preview would > > be a low resolution image. If you really wanted one you could > > probably do it with ghostscript, but that might be messier than > > with RiScript. > > Yes, I agree. > > > EPS files are fragments of postscript which are just fed out into > > the postscript stream during printing. As far as I know, OvPro > > doesn't interpret them, except for extracting a preview if there > > is one for screen display purposes. > > That's how I understood it as well. But as it's just for a draft, I > think I could live with preview quality. Well, perhaps it's easier to > convert the EPS files indeed to something like TIFF and import that > into OvationPro. The final results will be done in LaTeX anyway, so EPS > is no problem for the final result, just for my draft now. > Well, you could load the entire postscript file produced by OvPro to RiScript and it should render with the eps files in place. You should then be able to print from RiScript to your usual printer. What I would do is print from OvPro to a postscript file, send it over the network to acrobat distiller on the pc, and then print from the PDF. If you have a similar functionality on your Linux box (eg Ghostscript) you could do the same. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026163779:10:08573:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026163779:10:08573:56; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 21:29:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008446; 8 Jul 2002 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68LWMn31559 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:32:22 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68LWIM31556 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:32:18 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-24.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.90]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 99CBE17258D for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:20:35 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:56:11 +1200 Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number being inserted into the text? ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you always get a 4 added to the text. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026167353:10:11583:78".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026167353:10:11583:78; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 22:29:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010886; 8 Jul 2002 22:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68MVIY31690 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:31:18 +0100 Received: from localhost (foobar@pD900735F.dip.t-dialin.net [217.0.115.95]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68MVFM31687 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:31:15 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.104] helo=veni) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17Rgz0-0003l5-00 for ; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:27:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Ovation Pro List Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:04:56 +0200 Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <4b53064f26sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Mon 08 Jul, Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] > > 1) Configure a RISC OS PostScript printer driver, print to a file, > > load this file into RiScript and print from there (bah, > > complicated). > > > > 2) Find a utility (on the Linux box) which can add a preview image > > to the EPS files (which utility can do this?). > Ghostscript on RISC OS or Linux or ... whatever OS you get hold of a > copy for. There is a ps2epsi which seems to be able to take EPS as > input and output EPSI with bitmap preview. As GS can be command line > driven it should be possible to batch the conversion of a group of > files and leave it to run overnight if necessary. I already have tried ps2epsi, but it doesn't like EPS as input files (at least not mine). It complains and prints the PostScript stack dump. And the documentation of ps2epsi clearly states that not even every valid PostScript file can be converted. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page * * * ADVERTISING SPACE FOR HIRE * * * -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026168554:10:00718:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026168554:10:00718:57; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 22:49:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000145; 8 Jul 2002 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68Mpi431872 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:51:44 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68MpeM31869 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:51:40 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-45.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.111]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 44CC517259A for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:40:04 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: Ovation Pro List Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:35:26 +1200 Subject: Re: EPS printing Message-ID: <4b530919fatim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <4b52c2c8basbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > Ghostscript on RISC OS or Linux or ... whatever OS you get hold of a > copy for. There is a ps2epsi which seems to be able to take EPS as > input and output EPSI with bitmap preview. Though the bitmap's not in a form that OEPS can render, if that's what you were thinking. It needs to be a TIFF, according to the OEPS Helpfile (though this also suggests you can muck about with it). > As GS can be command line driven it should be possible to batch the > conversion of a group of files and leave it to run overnight if > necessary. .. and so you could consider other conversions eg to a sprite, JPEG, TIFF, etc. Options are in the Bin dir from memory. ps2...whatever. Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026198208:10:04212:143".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026198208:10:04212:143; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:03:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1117944; 9 Jul 2002 7:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6975xU32305 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:05:59 +0100 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6975uM32302 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:05:56 +0100 Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-66-121.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.66.121]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIC48739; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:02:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:02:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:02:26 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz>, > Tim King wrote: > > Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number > > being inserted into the text? > > > ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the > > existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you > > always get a 4 added to the text. > > That's odd, it doesn't happen here, so I can't help you with that. > > > Does anyone else get the number inserted into the text, as Tim > describes? > > I'd be interested to hear from others who use NudgePal. > (Obviously the key macros must be Activated for NudgePal. i.e. select > the Option button at the top of the 'Nudge key definitions' window. > Opened from:- Applets -> Nudge palette -> Key macros... > or from the palette's menu.) > No problem here. But while you are on the line, is there an easy way of bringing nudgepal window to the front? It always seems buried when I need to use it. Thanks for a great tool. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026201247:10:07742:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026201247:10:07742:60; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:54:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1112664; 9 Jul 2002 7:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g697upO32419 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:56:51 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g697umM32416 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:56:48 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.4.7.169]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020709075322.BCBE4119.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:53:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:53:13 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <042b3c534b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b52716adcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous message, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article , > John Pettigrew wrote: > > > How can I stop NudgePal setting a Key macro for Ctrl-K every time that > > it starts? > > NudgePal shouldn't be setting any Key macros other than the ones that it > has been instructed to use by the user. It certainly hasn't got a Ctrl-K > macro hard-wired into the code. Gavin sorted this out for me - it was because (after an upgrade) NudgePal was using an old version of its choices files. Deleting and resaving them cleared the problem up. So, anyone else with this problem, take note! John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 22:26:16 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026218987:10:16671:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:26:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026218987:10:16671:58; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:49:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015673; 9 Jul 2002 12:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69Cq1p00502 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:52:01 +0100 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69CpxM00499 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:51:59 +0100 Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-83-11.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.83.11]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIC70401; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:48:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:45:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:44:54 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b534f6110Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4b530960ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > In article <4b528ca88atim@de-sig.co.nz>, > > Tim King wrote: > > > Another query re using the key macro's - how do I stop the number > > > being inserted into the text? > > > > ie select a (text) frame, and the carat appears at the end of the > > > existing text. Ok. ^K4, say, to move the frame to the left, and you > > > always get a 4 added to the text. > > > That's odd, it doesn't happen here, so I can't help you with that. > > I don't use this tool at all so pardon me if this is a stupid question: > > By "^K4" does Tim mean hold down Ctrl, press K, press 4, release Ctrl or > does he mean hold down Ctrl, press K, release Ctrl, press 4 ? And, > would it matter which in any case? I assume he means, Ctrl and key 4 on the number keypad (i.e. two keys). K4 is marked as an alternate cursor left. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 23:10:19 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026252422:10:13567:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:10:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026252422:10:13567:51; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:07:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012482; 9 Jul 2002 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69M8Jq01398 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:08:19 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69M8HM01395 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:08:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17S36B-000O8P-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 23:04:43 +0100 Message-ID: <9$TSyCFm21K9EwIg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:03:18 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Subject: Tables in OPro References: <4b534f6110Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Subject: Tables in OPro First, I apologise if this has been covered; I have been back through the maillist digests and found nothing exactly like this so: I recently needed to incorporate a table in an OPro document, in this case a small magazine that I publish for a motor racing club to which I belong. After going through the digests I found plenty of references to Tablemate (which I don't possess) and associated solutions but not much else. After some brain searching I came across the following solution which may or may not help or which may or may not suggest a better solution to someone. It does require that you have available Fireworkz Pro or its predecessor and either RiSCript or the combination of GhostScript and PDF from Colin Granville etc. I produced my table in Fireworkz Pro, which has pretty good facilities for outlining areas and colouring backgrounds and so on, and of course full control over Risc OS fonts. The table was then selected and printed to file via the PoScript2 printer driver and the output file viewed in and saved from RiScript as a Draw file; subsequent (not very thorough) testing indicates that the GhostScript/PDF route will do the same. The resultant file imported into the OPro document at 100% scale gives a seamless appearance to the document. As I have said, you may all be aware of this but maybe just one of you isn't. It does anyway demonstrate the true joy of this OS with the ease with which, given a bit of planning, the many programs interface. Comments re Fireworkz and the global clipboard should be addressed elsewhere... -- Brian Jordan From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 9 23:25:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026253428:10:00980:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:25:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026253428:10:00980:53; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:23:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000356; 9 Jul 2002 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69MQMA01484 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:26:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69MQKM01481 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:26:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17S3Ne-0001Wu-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 23:22:46 +0100 Message-ID: <2sjg2qGnH2K9EwZf@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:21:27 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> <4b5242eb0bpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b5242eb0bpaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I can't manage to skip the blank line that is created by all that skipping. >I therefore installed the !MergeLib macro and entered the required text >into the Fields window - {macv=merge_strip(x,y)} Of course in the context that macro is handling an address with y maximum lines and returning the x'th non blank one. >Perhaps something is wrong with the !MergeLib macro too, as I get a Serious >Error warning, as soon as it is started up, saying: Multiple definition. No. This means the MergeLib script is being run twice - you've got two copies of it plugged into OP, perhaps one in !OvnPro.Autorun and one in !OvnPro.Library. >First of all, the on screen merging now still shows the front pages. >And when the real printing starts, 10 pages are produced, rather than 3. >Ten BLANK pages, to be precise. >The same is true when I change printing settings - for example to Normal. Of course what this brings to mind is that the print settings are wrong. You know you'll always see your document on screen, but you might be telling OP to print it six foot off the edge of the paper, in which case it will never appear on printouts. I'd be inclined to enable the view printer margins and check it should be visible. Also stick something on the page that is not being changed by the mail merge. And there is my point, from my last email, I have 10 sets of data, I want a 10 page pamphlet, I decide to do this by using mail merge on a 1 page original. l find that this is not possible. What you'd perhaps end up with is 10 copies of the back side of a 1 sheet pamphlet - i.e. blank. Setting Normal would only help if you also told it to print the front side of the paper. The point is that you can only do this sort of merge by having a 10 page original. (I'm talking here about page 181, section 12.7, point 1 - although that talks about getting more than one record on one sheet). As the fine print at the bottom of column 1, page 180 laments "It is not possible to have more than one merged print of a document on one sheet of paper" -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 10 13:56:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026302263:10:22994:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:56:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026302263:10:22994:72; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:57:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022903; 10 Jul 2002 11:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6ABv2F02339 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:57:02 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ABv0M02336 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:57:00 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust81.tnt41.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.117.0.81] with SMTP for id NAA02038 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:51:47 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00b001c22808$81b2bfe0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4b534f6110Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> <9$TSyCFm21K9EwIg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Subject: Tables in OPro Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:57:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 10 Jul, David Pilling 'forwarded' a contribution of "Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England" > >Subject: Tables in OPro One of the new features of the announced (without exact date) Fireworkz Pro is expected to be DrawFile export of a page and OLE. When this happens, this will make the process (without the PostScript/pdf) much easier. I hope this will be happen soon. mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 10 15:17:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026309827:10:11966:90".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:17:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026309827:10:11966:90; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:03:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124402; 10 Jul 2002 14:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6AE5An02610 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:05:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AE57M02606 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:05:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SI21-000OTX-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:01:25 +0100 Message-ID: <55czDpFd4DL9EwgF@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:01:01 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Subject: Tables in OPro References: <4b534f6110Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> <9$TSyCFm21K9EwIg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <00b001c22808$81b2bfe0$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <00b001c22808$81b2bfe0$4d01a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #881 On Tue 9 Jul 2002 (23:09:20 +0100), Brian Jordan (via David Pilling) wrote: > I recently needed to incorporate a table in an OPro document, in this > case a small magazine that I publish for a motor racing club to which I > belong. After going through the digests I found plenty of references > to Tablemate (which I don't possess) and associated solutions but not > much else. After some brain searching I came across the following > solution > which may or may not help or which may or may not suggest a better > solution to someone. It does require that you have available Fireworkz > Pro or its predecessor and either RiSCript or the combination of > GhostScript and PDF from Colin Granville etc. I produced my table in > Fireworkz Pro, which has pretty good facilities for outlining areas and > colouring backgrounds and so on, and of course full control over Risc > OS fonts. The table was then selected and printed to file via the > PoScript2 printer driver and the output file viewed in and saved from > RiScript as > a Draw file; subsequent (not very thorough) testing indicates that the > GhostScript/PDF route will do the same. Presumably any spreadsheet with reasonable facilities can be used. I've tried it once with Eureka3, the output from which can be saved *directly* as a Draw file, cutting down the number of steps: it seemed to work OK, though I wasn't looking for anything very complicated on that occasion. Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 10 17:46:30 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026319581:10:28263:74".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:46:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026319581:10:28263:74; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:46:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027956; 10 Jul 2002 16:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6AGmmG03056 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:48:48 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AGmkM03053 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:48:46 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17SKaJ-0003G3-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:45:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:32:03 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Subject: Tables in OPro To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: <00b001c22808$81b2bfe0$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 10 Jul, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > One of the new features of the announced (without exact date) Fireworkz Pro > is expected to be DrawFile export of a page and OLE. When this happens, this > will make the process (without the PostScript/pdf) much easier. There is a beta release which does have the Save as Drawfile feature. However, a strange 'bug' has invaded the program at the same time. All calculations now run very slowly. When this 'bug' is fixed (and subject to further testing) the Save as DrawFile version will be released. I have used this Save as DrawFile feature for some of the pictures accompanying my articles in Paul Beverley's Archive magazine so it definitely works. But we can't release it whilst it is doing sums so slowly. No date for release is available yet. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 10 20:01:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026327039:10:21347:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:01:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026327039:10:21347:63; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:50:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101559; 10 Jul 2002 18:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6AIrbS03890 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:53:37 +0100 Received: from mail7.svr.pol.co.uk (mail7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AIrZM03887 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:53:35 +0100 Received: from modem-42.radon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.62.170] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SMX4-0003Gm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:49:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:08:05 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: Subject: Tables in OPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9$TSyCFm21K9EwIg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JPK, Bangor.Pager 07626-235878 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 09 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > >Subject: Tables in OPro > > First, I apologise if this has been covered; I have been back through > the maillist digests and found nothing exactly like this so: > > I recently needed to incorporate a table in an OPro document, in this > case a small magazine that I publish for a motor racing club to which I > belong. After going through the digests I found plenty of references to > Tablemate (which I don't possess) and associated solutions but not much > else. After some brain searching I came across the following solution > which may or may not help or which may or may not suggest a better > solution to someone. It does require that you have available Fireworkz > Pro or its predecessor and either RiSCript or the combination of > GhostScript and PDF from Colin Granville etc. I produced my table in > Fireworkz Pro, which has pretty good facilities for outlining areas and > colouring backgrounds and so on, and of course full control over Risc OS > fonts. The table was then selected and printed to file via the PoScript2 > printer driver and the output file viewed in and saved from RiScript as > a Draw file; subsequent (not very thorough) testing indicates that the > GhostScript/PDF route will do the same. The resultant file imported into > the OPro document at 100% scale gives a seamless appearance to the > document. As I have said, you may all be aware of this but maybe just > one of you isn't. It does anyway demonstrate the true joy of this OS > with the ease with which, given a bit of planning, the many programs > interface. Comments re Fireworkz and the global clipboard should be > addressed elsewhere... > Table mate is great except it lacks "scientific" maths functions. ie no:- logs, exponents, rase to power, root x of y, no trig functions etc Being able to insert fire works files into ovation docs would be very useful. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 10 21:31:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026332589:10:10755:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:31:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026332589:10:10755:57; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:23:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010117; 10 Jul 2002 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6AKPUN04076 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:25:30 +0100 Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AKPRM04073 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:25:27 +0100 Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-86-5.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.86.5]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AHZ46548; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:21:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:57:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:57:27 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal query Message-ID: <434f2544b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b535b3bc7gav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article , > David Graddol wrote: > > > But while you are on the line, is there an easy way of bringing > > nudgepal window to the front? It always seems buried when I need > > to use it. > > There is the buttonbar button macro that will open the palette (and > bring it to the top) with a Select click and close it with Adjust. > This macro is defined by NudgePal but you will need to activate it from > the Macros window (and save your macros to keep it for next time). Never thought to look to see if there was a button macro. That does the trick nicely, thanks. The reason why I need to bring the nudgepal window to the front is so I can see at a glance whether it is set to extend the size of an object, if so which side, and adjust accordingly. Thanks again, David The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 10 21:46:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026333607:10:22153:125".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:46:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026333607:10:22153:125; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:40:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122150; 10 Jul 2002 20:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6AKhRB04169 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:43:27 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AKhPM04166 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:43:25 +0100 Received: from [62.64.213.2] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SOEk-0003ra-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:38:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:21:29 +0100 Subject: Re: Subject: Tables in OPro Message-ID: <4b540482cddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <55czDpFd4DL9EwgF@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4b534f6110Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <6edf56534b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> <9$TSyCFm21K9EwIg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <00b001c22808$81b2bfe0$4d01a8c0@padua> <55czDpFd4DL9EwgF@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <55czDpFd4DL9EwgF@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #881 > On Tue 9 Jul 2002 (23:09:20 +0100), Brian Jordan (via David Pilling) > wrote: > > I recently needed to incorporate a table in an OPro document, in this > > case a small magazine that I publish for a motor racing club to which I > > belong. After going through the digests I found plenty of references > > to Tablemate (which I don't possess) and associated solutions but not > > much else. After some brain searching I came across the following > > solution > > which may or may not help or which may or may not suggest a better > > solution to someone. It does require that you have available Fireworkz > > Pro or its predecessor and either RiSCript or the combination of > > GhostScript and PDF from Colin Granville etc. I produced my table in > > Fireworkz Pro, which has pretty good facilities for outlining areas and > > colouring backgrounds and so on, and of course full control over Risc > > OS fonts. The table was then selected and printed to file via the > > PoScript2 printer driver and the output file viewed in and saved from > > RiScript as > > a Draw file; subsequent (not very thorough) testing indicates that the > > GhostScript/PDF route will do the same. > Presumably any spreadsheet with reasonable facilities can be used. I've > tried it once with Eureka3, the output from which can be saved > *directly* as a Draw file, cutting down the number of steps: it seemed > to work OK, though I wasn't looking for anything very complicated on > that occasion. Denys Wells. What's with all the complication of RiScript, GhostScript et al. Create the table and data in Eureka, Save the table selection as ImpressionOLE, drop the resulting file into a frame in OvPro and its done. If you need to modify any table data, Ctrl double click in the frame and it'll be returned to Eureka for mods to be done... F3 will then return it back to the OvPro document. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 10 22:01:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026334500:20:05476:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:01:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026334500:20:05476:58; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:55:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005067; 10 Jul 2002 20:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6AKvf604252 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:57:41 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AKvdM04248 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:57:39 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.0.16.154]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020710205352.UPRT4119.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:53:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:54:01 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: EPS printing To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4b53064f26sbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 08 Jul, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Mon 08 Jul, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > [snip] > > > > 1) Configure a RISC OS PostScript printer driver, print to a file, > > > load this file into RiScript and print from there (bah, > > > complicated). > > > > > > 2) Find a utility (on the Linux box) which can add a preview image > > > to the EPS files (which utility can do this?). > > > Ghostscript on RISC OS or Linux or ... whatever OS you get hold of a > > copy for. There is a ps2epsi which seems to be able to take EPS as > > input and output EPSI with bitmap preview. As GS can be command line > > driven it should be possible to batch the conversion of a group of > > files and leave it to run overnight if necessary. > > I already have tried ps2epsi, but it doesn't like EPS as input files > (at least not mine). It complains and prints the PostScript stack dump. > And the documentation of ps2epsi clearly states that not even every > valid PostScript file can be converted. I wpuld expect ,ore EPS than PS files to convert to EPSI as they are already single pages with bounding box, where standard PS can be multi-page and doesn't have a bounding box. I thought if you use ps2tiff you could simply combine an eps and tiff file - but when I tried it and importing to OPro the TIFF will import and display and EPS with TIFF added (before or after the EPS content) imports but doesn't display. Should the TIFF be within the EPS code? I have other EPS with preview files which also import to OPro but without any display. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 11 13:24:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026374889:20:26774:124".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:24:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026374889:20:26774:124; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:08:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121418; 11 Jul 2002 8:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6B8ATF05388 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:10:29 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B8ARM05385 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:10:27 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SYy6-000Ki9-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:06:31 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:53:34 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Subject: Tables in OPro To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: <4b540482cddfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 10 Jul, Dave Symes wrote: > Create the table and data in Eureka, Save the table selection as > ImpressionOLE, drop the resulting file into a frame in OvPro and its done. Eureka works very well - however the layout facilities available within Eureka are not as comprehensive as those in Fireworkz. It depends what level of sophistication you require for the layout of the table. For simple tables Eureka is superb. For more intricate layouts Fireworkz is better. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 11 13:54:41 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026391867:10:24196:107".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:54:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026391867:10:24196:107; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:51:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024903; 11 Jul 2002 12:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6BCs1u05824 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:54:01 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BCrxM05821 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:53:59 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.52.21]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GZ34Z900.IFC for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:49:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:49:54 +0200 Subject: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) Message-ID: <4b545f00dcpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <2sjg2qGnH2K9EwZf@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> <4b5242eb0bpaul@delink.nl> <2sjg2qGnH2K9EwZf@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: >> {macv=merge_strip(x,y)} > Of course in the context that macro is handling an address with y > maximum lines and returning the x'th non blank one. Mmm... I'm afraid I'm not intelligent enough for this call. I think I've now tried every possible combination of numbers, but I just can't manage to skip the bloody line. But who cares, since: > The point is that you can only do this sort of merge by having a 10 page > original. (I'm talking here about page 181, section 12.7, point 1 - > although that talks about getting more than one record on one sheet). That means that I have to edit each picture frame of all those pages individually. Which involves more work that just dragging all the pictures in their frames by hand. So, I'll stick to my original DDF approach, and continue to do the picture import manually. However, these exercises have learned me a lot about advanced mail merging techniques, for which I am very grateful. Thank you all, for all of your support and suggestions. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 11 15:09:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1026395749:10:29171:103".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:09:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1026395749:10:29171:103; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:55:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117748; 11 Jul 2002 13:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6BDvOk05951 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:57:24 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BDvLM05948 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:57:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SeNm-000PGM-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:53:22 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:51:58 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Mail merging (was: Importing graphics using DDF commands) References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> <4b51c09f46paul@delink.nl> <4b51dafb90paul@delink.nl> <4b5242eb0bpaul@delink.nl> <2sjg2qGnH2K9EwZf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b545f00dcpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b545f00dcpaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> The point is that you can only do this sort of merge by having a 10 page >> original. (I'm talking here about page 181, section 12.7, point 1 - >> although that talks about getting more than one record on one sheet). >That means that I have to edit each picture frame of all those pages >individually. Which involves more work that just dragging all the pictures >in their frames by hand. Not necessarily. It is a bit of a let down that you've got to have one page in the document for each record in the database. However those pages should be identical (before the merge data is added) and one would strive to find an easy way of generating them - e.g. master pages and then bash in a number of new page codes in the document. Mail merge can be useful in the situation where you have a number of versions of a document. For example I (used to) have to print disc labels. I could have had one OP document for each disc. What I had instead was one document set up with mail merge tags, and a number of csv files. When I want some SparkFS labels I load up the single document and merge in the csv file with the name SparkFS in. It's mail merge but not as we know it. I suspect I set off doing things this way to save disc space, but it also makes things a lot easier if the format of the document needs changing - you only change it once, not N times. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 19 15:01:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027086992:20:07039:278".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:01:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027086992:20:07039:278; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:56:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107738; 19 Jul 2002 13:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6JDqsS18394 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:52:54 +0100 Received: from ns1.pulse8design.com (qmailr@ns.pulse8design.com [212.67.199.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6JDqnM18389 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:52:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 15199 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 13:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO RiscPC) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 13:46:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:45:33 +0100 Subject: Cannot enter text at all... Message-ID: <4b5882c8f4marten@annerykiln.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Umm... I don't know what might have changed, I've checked all the settings and choices etc. Load OPro > Open a window > Enter just one character in frame and it overflows immediately leaving a blank window. Any ideas anyone? -- Slainte Marten Gallagher Web Design and Management www.annerykiln.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 19 15:16:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027088028:10:17984:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:16:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027088028:10:17984:65; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:13:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128471; 19 Jul 2002 14:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6JED8a18505 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:13:08 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6JED6M18502 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:13:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17VYV1-000Ixs-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:12:51 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:11:12 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Cannot enter text at all... References: <4b5882c8f4marten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b5882c8f4marten@annerykiln.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Load OPro > Open a window > Enter just one character in frame and it >overflows immediately leaving a blank window. The frame is too small or the text too large. Or equivalents like there's a first line indent past the size of the frame, or frame insets are too large. I suspect something odd going on with fonts would also unhinge things. I'd be inclined to open the doc, then create a new frame, does that overflow? IF SO THEN have a look at the settings for the bodytext style. You could go inside !OvnPro and remove the Default document (temporarily), that is where a new document will be inheriting style/frame information from. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 19 16:31:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027092318:20:02239:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:31:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027092318:20:02239:61; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:25:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103044; 19 Jul 2002 15:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6JFO0Y18715 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:24:00 +0100 Received: from ns1.pulse8design.com (qmailr@ns.pulse8design.com [212.67.199.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6JFNvM18712 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:23:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 1721 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 15:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO RiscPC) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 15:17:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:59:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Cannot enter text at all... Message-ID: <4b5889994dmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b5882c8f4marten@annerykiln.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Load OPro > Open a window > Enter just one character in frame and it > >overflows immediately leaving a blank window. > The frame is too small or the text too large. Or equivalents like > there's a first line indent past the size of the frame, or frame insets > are too large. Yes - I tried all those... > I suspect something odd going on with fonts would also > unhinge things. ...bu this appears to have been the culprit - New Swiss Light was set as default font - I thought it always had been. However resetting it to Regular cured the prob. Resetting it back to Light brought the prob back. > I'd be inclined to open the doc, then create a new frame, does that > overflow? Yes > IF SO THEN have a look at the settings for the bodytext style. See above > You could go inside !OvnPro and remove the Default document > (temporarily), that is where a new document will be inheriting > style/frame information from. Yes, see above - this provided the clue as you thought. Thanks for your help - could the font file be corrupt? Although I use it quite aloit elsewhere - Vantage, Photodesk without, I believe any problems. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 19 16:46:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027093184:10:05108:94".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:46:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027093184:10:05108:94; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:39:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005508; 19 Jul 2002 15:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6JFdJ418793 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:39:19 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6JFdHM18790 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:39:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17VZqN-000HTu-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:39:00 +0100 Message-ID: <2pjw3WG0IDO9EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:37:24 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Cannot enter text at all... References: <4b5882c8f4marten@annerykiln.co.uk> <4b5889994dmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b5889994dmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >...bu this appears to have been the culprit - New Swiss Light was set as >default font - I thought it always had been. >Thanks for your help - could the font file be corrupt? Although I use it >quite aloit elsewhere - Vantage, Photodesk without, I believe any problems. Well it could be corrupt, although actually corrupting a file is unusual. More likely that there is something odd about the font - plenty of odd fonts around. But it could of course be an OP bug. Or it could be something about the font that only OP finds odd. For example OP scans *all* the characters in a font to work out the leading for it. Other programs may only look at the characters used, or those up to code 128. Might be interesting to play with the 'first baseline' setting for a frame containing some text in that font. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 19 19:01:30 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027101544:10:08215:186".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:01:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027101544:10:08215:186; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:59:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008107; 19 Jul 2002 17:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6JHvDl19053 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:57:13 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6JHvAM19047 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:57:10 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17Vbzl-0001Cd-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:56:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:43:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Cannot enter text at all... Message-ID: <4b588d98fcJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b5882c8f4marten@annerykiln.co.uk> References: <4b5882c8f4marten@annerykiln.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b5882c8f4marten@annerykiln.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > Umm... I don't know what might have changed, I've checked all the > settings and choices etc. > Load OPro > Open a window > Enter just one character in frame and it > overflows immediately leaving a blank window. > Any ideas anyone? Save the doc as DDL and look at that in an editor to see what fonts, sizes etc are set? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 23 21:45:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027415786:20:06127:67".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:45:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027415786:20:06127:67; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:16:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004779; 23 Jul 2002 9:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6N9Cwt23953 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:12:58 +0100 Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6N9CuM23950 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:12:56 +0100 Received: from modem-4055.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.79.215] helo=jstp) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Wvhq-00036o-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:11:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:10:48 GMT From: JayCee To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: NudgePal Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can anyone tell me where I change the values used by NudgePal. I am currently changing by hand the choices file inside the applet itself before I load OPro but I am sure I used to be able to change them easier than that but for the life of me can't figure out how; I have tried menu on the pallettte itself, on the icon bar icon, in the choices, everything I can think of, maybe it has become corrupted somehow! JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 23 21:45:36 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027421459:20:13746:114".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:45:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027421459:20:13746:114; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:50:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113101; 23 Jul 2002 10:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6NApRl24140 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:51:27 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6NApOM24137 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:51:24 +0100 Received: from [213.116.56.151] (helo=Art) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17WxD7-0002vG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:48:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:46:48 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal Message-ID: <4b5a81c37cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , JayCee wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I change the values used by NudgePal. Click the palette window's Toggle Size icon (top right) to extend the window to it's full size. If you want to store the values as the default, click Menu over the palette window and choose 'Save nudge values'. (In the next release I'm going to put the Manual inside the applet's directory and a menu link to open it, I think that will help) Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 23 21:45:39 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027424567:20:12918:76".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:45:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027424567:20:12918:76; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:42:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012400; 23 Jul 2002 11:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6NBhFd24329 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:43:15 +0100 Received: from d9000.firstnet.net.uk (onslaught.firstnet.net.uk [212.103.224.245]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6NBhCM24326 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:43:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 21340 invoked by uid 105); 23 Jul 2002 11:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hpbrio) (212.103.240.164) by 10.10.11.7 with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 11:45:51 -0000 From: "Ian ODonnell" To: Subject: RE: CMYK Seperation Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:43:17 +0100 Message-ID: <002401c2323e$233014f0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9dc6895a4b.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am using Cerillica's True Sep to separate RGB sprites into CMYK, however when I drop them into Ovation they appear in negative, does anyone have any idea why that is so? Thanks Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 23 21:46:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027422935:10:11479:71".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:46:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027422935:10:11479:71; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:15:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123952; 23 Jul 2002 11:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6NBGHk24207 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:16:17 +0100 Received: from mail7.svr.pol.co.uk (mail7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6NBGEM24204 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:16:14 +0100 Received: from modem-1757.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.6.221] helo=jstp) by mail7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17WxdE-00017w-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:15:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:14:19 GMT From: JayCee To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal Message-ID: <9dc6895a4b.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4b5a81c37cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b5a81c37cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b5a81c37cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> you wrote: > In article , > JayCee wrote: > > Can anyone tell me where I change the values used by NudgePal. > > Click the palette window's Toggle Size icon (top right) to extend the > window to it's full size. > > If you want to store the values as the default, click Menu over the > palette window and choose 'Save nudge values'. > > > > (In the next release I'm going to put the Manual inside the applet's > directory and a menu link to open it, I think that will help) > > > > Gav. > Thanks Gav, isn't it easy to remember when someone reminds you!!!!!! I am kicking myself now....... JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 23 21:46:30 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027450003:10:26695:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:46:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027450003:10:26695:62; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:46:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102948; 23 Jul 2002 18:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6NIkWe24970 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:46:32 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6NIkUM24967 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:46:30 +0100 Received: from [62.64.166.85] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17X4e5-000Jea-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:44:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:54:08 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal Message-ID: <4b5aa8e30edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b5a81c37cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4b5a81c37cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b5a81c37cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article , > JayCee wrote: > > Can anyone tell me where I change the values used by NudgePal. > Click the palette window's Toggle Size icon (top right) to extend the > window to it's full size. > If you want to store the values as the default, click Menu over the > palette window and choose 'Save nudge values'. > (In the next release I'm going to put the Manual inside the applet's > directory and a menu link to open it, I think that will help) > Gav. That seems like a very good idea. A lot of the Applet's we have available are useful additions to OvPro, but I have to fess up that John Pettigrew's multiple clipboards, and Gavin's NudgePal are the top of my list. Cheers and thanks to the applet writers. Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 23 22:14:51 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027457292:10:07275:64".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:14:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027457292:10:07275:64; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:48:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122612; 23 Jul 2002 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6NKmgd25173 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:48:42 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6NKmeM25170 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:48:40 +0100 Received: from [62.188.145.40] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17X6X0-00077U-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:45:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:45:44 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Avery L1763 template Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone have a template for the L7163 format Richard __ __ __ _ __ __ __ _____________________________ |__|| |__|| |/ |_ |_||_ |_ |__| / ...Ceilidh/Barndance music |__||__ | ||__ |\ _|| ||__|__| / for all occasions. ___________________________/ blacksheep@argonet.co.uk A kitten is for life... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 23 22:29:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027459680:10:20087:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:29:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027459680:10:20087:65; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:28:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115390; 23 Jul 2002 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6NLSlS25287 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:28:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6NLSjM25284 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:28:45 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17X7Bt-0003uX-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:27:34 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:26:20 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: CMYK Seperation References: <9dc6895a4b.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> <002401c2323e$233014f0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> In-Reply-To: <002401c2323e$233014f0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am using Cerillica's True Sep to separate RGB sprites into CMYK, >however when I drop them into Ovation they appear in negative, does >anyone have any idea why that is so? No idea. What happens if you use the OP image processing commands to invert the colour? CMYK loaded as RGB (like my scanning software program does) is going to look negative. So maybe use the Picture info window to see what type of image OP thinks it has loaded. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 24 14:36:02 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027491334:20:16609:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:36:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027491334:20:16609:56; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:15:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101238; 24 Jul 2002 6:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6O6FJs25707 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:15:19 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6O6FGM25704 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:15:16 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.4.7.169]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020724061400.OUDN4119.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:14:00 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:40:10 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NudgePal Message-ID: References: <4b5a81c37cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4b5aa8e30edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b5aa8e30edfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous message, Dave Symes wrote: > A lot of the Applet's we have available are useful additions to OvPro, but > I have to fess up that John Pettigrew's multiple clipboards, and Gavin's > NudgePal are the top of my list. Thanks Although I'll point out once more for the record that the multiple clipboards are all David's doing. All I did was provide a front end :-) John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 24 18:20:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027531157:20:15550:214".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:20:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027531157:20:15550:214; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:19:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116264; 24 Jul 2002 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6OHHdG26485 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:17:39 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6OHHbM26482 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:17:37 +0100 Received: from [62.64.207.6] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17XPk4-0009Z6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:16:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:50:51 +0100 Subject: Re: NudgePal Message-ID: <4b5aefff88dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4b5a81c37cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4b5aa8e30edfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, Dave Symes wrote: > > A lot of the Applet's we have available are useful additions to OvPro, > > but I have to fess up that John Pettigrew's multiple clipboards, and > > Gavin's NudgePal are the top of my list. > Thanks > Although I'll point out once more for the record that the multiple > clipboards are all David's doing. All I did was provide a front end :-) > John Indeed John, But it's the front end that makes multiple clipboards so easy to use. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 25 13:21:54 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027586907:10:26370:98".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:21:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027586907:10:26370:98; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:48:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121978; 25 Jul 2002 8:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6P8mNb27424 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:48:23 +0100 Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6P8mKM27421 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:48:20 +0100 Received: from bghill.onetel.net.uk (213-78-101-66.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.101.66]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIN85478; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:47:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:05:04 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: Cannot enter text at all... To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <2pjw3WG0IDO9EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 19 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > Or it could be something about the font that only OP finds odd. For > example OP scans *all* the characters in a font to work out the leading > for it. Other programs may only look at the characters used, or those up > to code 128. > I don't understand this. In my old lead type setting days, all type was on a given body of a specific point size, so that 'solid setting' still allowed vertical space between ascenders and decenders. If extra leading was introduced, it was used between all lines of type even if a particular line did not have any ascenders or decenders. Does this mean that if there are no decenders or ascenders in digital setting, that the point size or the leading changes? I would think that that would produce a very odd effect. Very interested to know, Bernard. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road email: bghill@onetel.net.uk Undy, Caldicot NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 25 13:21:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027592008:20:27707:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:21:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027592008:20:27707:70; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:13:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026105; 25 Jul 2002 10:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6PACj727638 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:12:45 +0100 Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6PACgM27635 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:12:42 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async234-14.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.110.234]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIN93664; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:11:43 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:11:13 +0100 Subject: Bulk change of OvationPro files to text files. Message-ID: <4b5b862d83rogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> References: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have about 200 small OP files that I have to change into plain text files. Has anybody any suggestion as to how I can do this other than by hand one at a time? Thanks Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 25 13:51:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027600397:20:23967:51".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:51:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027600397:20:23967:51; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:33:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022102; 25 Jul 2002 12:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6PCXdl27877 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:33:39 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6PCXaM27874 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:33:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17Xhmm-0002cQ-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:32:04 +0100 Message-ID: <3lzw0GBz9+P9Ewx6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:30:43 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Cannot enter text at all... References: <2pjw3WG0IDO9EwJ+@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I don't understand this. In my old lead type setting days, all type was Suppose you're going to start putting text in a frame. How far down from the top of the frame do you put the baseline? The way it usually works is that all the characters in the font are looked at, the maximum height between top of character and baseline is found and then used for the distance. Later versions of OP give you a choice. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 25 13:51:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027600286:20:21043:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:51:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027600286:20:21043:53; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:31:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121744; 25 Jul 2002 12:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6PCVeY27852 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:31:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6PCVcM27849 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:31:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17Xhkq-0001hF-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:30:04 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:28:37 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Bulk change of OvationPro files to text files. References: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> <4b5b862d83rogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b5b862d83rogersps@onetel.net.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have about 200 small OP files that I have to change into plain text >files. Has anybody any suggestion as to how I can do this other than by >hand one at a time? I don't think OP will do it for you on its own, I guess you're looking at using one of those programs that let you automate desktop actions from a script file. Stuart Hallidays company used to do the classic one, 'Key' something or other -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 25 15:06:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027605806:20:27119:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:06:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027605806:20:27119:54; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:03:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025035; 25 Jul 2002 14:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6PE3Ap28073 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:03:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6PE38M28070 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:03:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17XjBP-0001ql-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:01:35 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:00:24 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Bulk change of OvationPro files to text files. References: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> <4b5b862d83rogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Stuart Hallidays company used to do the classic one, 'Key' >something or other In fact goto http://www.quantumsoft.co.uk/keystroke/ -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 25 15:21:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027606055:20:03262:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:21:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027606055:20:03262:54; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:07:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002084; 25 Jul 2002 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6PE84h28125 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:08:04 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.internl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6PE82M28122 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:08:02 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust49.tnt35.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.164.49] with SMTP for id QAA27378 (8.8.8/1.3); Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:06:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000c01c233e4$9e906b20$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> <4b5b862d83rogersps@onetel.net.uk> Subject: Re: Bulk change of OvationPro files to text files. Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:06:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 25 Jul, "Roger Penniceard" wrote: > I have about 200 small OP files that I have to change into plain text > files. Has anybody any suggestion as to how I can do this other than by > hand one at a time? If you have a PostScript printer installed and GhostScript or RiScript Pro Load PostScript printer Go to Printer control Go to connection...: click File AND 'Append to File' Drag icon (with a suitable name) to harddisc !! Click OK !! Open Queue control Drop Ovation files in this window. !Printers loads OP on iconbar No OP window opens, only the print process window. Since you only are concerned to extract the text, the page etc. options aren't relevant. All files are printed to ONE PostScript file. To extract text, you can use GhostScript and the command ps2ascii This works best, when you aren't sure about the fonts used. This works less, when you have used a lot of tabs. To extract text, you can use GhostScript and the command ps2pdf and use !pdf to save the text out the pdf. This works less, when you have used Type3 fonts This works best/better, when you have used a lot of tabs. And if you have RiScript Pro, you can load the PS file and save text from there. I don't think, I would try it with all the 200 files at the same time ... mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 25 16:21:28 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027610090:20:21809:94".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:21:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027610090:20:21809:94; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:14:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101104; 25 Jul 2002 15:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6PFFNR28314 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:15:23 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6PFFKM28311 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:15:20 +0100 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (dsl81-226.teleos-web.de [212.62.81.226]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BD5A7DC2E16 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:13:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:13:33 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 25 Jul 2002 17:13:31 +0200 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:13:31 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bulk change of OvationPro files to text files. Message-ID: References: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> <4b5b862d83rogersps@onetel.net.uk> <000c01c233e4$9e906b20$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000c01c233e4$9e906b20$4d01a8c0@padua> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <000c01c233e4$9e906b20$4d01a8c0@padua> you wrote: > On Thu 25 Jul, "Roger Penniceard" wrote: > > > > I have about 200 small OP files that I have to change into plain text > > files. Has anybody any suggestion as to how I can do this other than by > > hand one at a time? > > If you have a PostScript printer installed > and GhostScript > or RiScript Pro > > Load PostScript printer > Go to Printer control > Go to connection...: click File AND 'Append to File' > Drag icon (with a suitable name) to harddisc > !! Click OK !! > [snip] Just my 2 cents, but, wouldn't using the Generic.TextOnly printer definition simplify the whole process? Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 25 17:36:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027614475:20:20425:342".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:36:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027614475:20:20425:342; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:27:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124522; 25 Jul 2002 16:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6PGS3i28468 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:28:03 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6PGS0M28465 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:28:00 +0100 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (dsl81-226.teleos-web.de [212.62.81.226]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D6E1109AE3 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:26:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:26:15 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 25 Jul 2002 18:26:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:26:12 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bulk change of OvationPro files to text files. Message-ID: <6a82a85b4b.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> <4b5b862d83rogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message <000c01c233e4$9e906b20$4d01a8c0@padua> you wrote: > > > On Thu 25 Jul, "Roger Penniceard" wrote: [snip] > Just my 2 cents, but, wouldn't using the Generic.TextOnly printer > definition simplify the whole process? > > Regards Bummer, should have tried it first. It does not work. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 27 14:16:30 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027745261:10:11489:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:16:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027745261:10:11489:66; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 04:47:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116574; 27 Jul 2002 4:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6R4kcf30582 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 05:46:38 +0100 Received: from orc.cs.waikato.ac.nz (orc.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6R4kYM30579 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 05:46:35 +0100 Received: from modem12.ppp.waikato.ac.nz ([130.217.49.12] helo=albion) by orc.cs.waikato.ac.nz with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 17YJRK-00032E-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:44:27 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:41:55 +1200 Subject: Red Face Message-ID: <4b5c6a354ckh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I hit the ultimate humiliation today. Someone wanted footnotes put into a document - and I thought - must be easy - look up OvPro manual - look up for an Applet - tears hair (what little is left) out. I have been using Ovation Pro since it first came out and have never thought about a footnote before (nasty things really) - may I please grovellingly ask 'How does one make footnotes in OvPro?' Just a pointer at the right manual /applet/etc should be enough - I'm sure there must be people who do this sort of thing regularly without thinking - just not me! Regards from a very small person! Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 27 14:46:23 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027777163:10:28024:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:46:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027777163:10:28024:52; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:39:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111459; 27 Jul 2002 13:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6RDdkc31115 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:39:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6RDdhM31112 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:39:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17YRlO-00024T-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:37:42 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:36:25 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Red Face References: <4b5c6a354ckh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4b5c6a354ckh@waikato.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I hit the ultimate humiliation today. Someone wanted footnotes put >into a document - and I thought - must be easy - look up OvPro manual - >look up for an Applet - tears hair (what little is left) out. Red faces all around. You can't do it. ISTR that somewhere there is a Beebug spec. for how to do footnotes. They would be an attractive addition, but potentially tricky once outside the word processing world of rectangular frames. There is an end notes applet. After that you're left plastering frames over the page by hand. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 27 15:31:21 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027779820:10:29620:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:31:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027779820:10:29620:55; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:23:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029573; 27 Jul 2002 14:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6REPG331406 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:25:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6REPEM31403 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:25:14 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17YSTR-0004ap-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:23:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:25:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Red Face Message-ID: <4b5ca5186ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b5c6a354ckh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Pilling wrote: > > I hit the ultimate humiliation today. Someone wanted footnotes put > >into a document - and I thought - must be easy - look up OvPro manual - > >look up for an Applet - tears hair (what little is left) out. > Red faces all around. You can't do it. ISTR that somewhere there is a > Beebug spec. for how to do footnotes. They would be an attractive > addition, but potentially tricky once outside the word processing world > of rectangular frames. > There is an end notes applet. After that you're left plastering frames > over the page by hand. I know David and Mike are wary about the differences but there are excellent reasons for the strengths (and weaknesses) of Ovation Pro and TechWriter Professional +. The programs work in totally different ways but do have a massive overlap in functionality. The difference in design makes some things easy / possible and other things difficult / impossible. Ovation gains with its flexibility, ease of use and extensions; TechWriter with its formal format and links to HTML, Word and TEX. You could always buy both*. ;-) *if you can afford it I'd recommend it! Try producing irregular frames or editable in-line equations in Word and you find that you can lose out at both ends of the spectrum. -- John Cartmell from sunny Manchester host city of the 17th Commonwealth Games -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jul 28 00:01:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1027810303:20:27694:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:01:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1027810303:20:27694:60; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:51:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128752; 27 Jul 2002 22:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6RMJf332148 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:19:41 +0100 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6RMJaM32145 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:19:36 +0100 Received: from modem-750.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.114.238] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17YZsR-0004gV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:17:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:05:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Red Face Message-ID: <4b5c9dc5caray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: <4b5c6a354ckh@waikato.ac.nz> References: <4b5c6a354ckh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b5c6a354ckh@waikato.ac.nz>, Keith Hopper wrote: > Hi, I hit the ultimate humiliation today. Someone wanted footnotes put > into a document - and I thought - must be easy - look up OvPro manual - > look up for an Applet - tears hair (what little is left) out. > I have been using Ovation Pro since it first came out and have > never thought about a footnote before (nasty things really) - may I > please grovellingly ask 'How does one make footnotes in OvPro?' Just a > pointer at the right manual /applet/etc should be enough - I'm sure > there must be people who do this sort of thing regularly without > thinking - just not me! If I want footnotes, I enter them manually into a footnote frame at the bottom of the page. In Edit Master Pages..Page..Page Guidlines set a footer frame by entering a value in the Footer box. This will then appear on every page and you can enter your footnotes at will. If the main text reflows over the page, the footnotes won't follow though and you will have to move them manually. Cheers, Ray D -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 31 14:33:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1028096176:20:07174:70".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:33:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1028096176:20:07174:70; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:16:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007604; 31 Jul 2002 6:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6V6FPB04892 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:15:25 +0100 Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6V6FKM04888 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:15:21 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-06.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.72]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id E421B17258E for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:02:52 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:20:50 +1200 Subject: Append to File (was Bulk change etc) Message-ID: <4b5e7d1d85tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <000c01c233e4$9e906b20$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> <4b5b862d83rogersps@onetel.net.uk> <000c01c233e4$9e906b20$4d01a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <000c01c233e4$9e906b20$4d01a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: I have to admit I've never had much joy with this. Perhaps you can shed some light... > Go to connection...: click File AND 'Append to File' > Drag icon (with a suitable name) to harddisc > !! Click OK !! > Open Queue control > Drop Ovation files in this window. > !Printers loads OP on iconbar I always get "OP has suffered an internal error Type = 5" followed by "Handle is either illegal or has been closed". This happens whether OP is already loaded or not ie once it starts processing the file. However, this is better than for most other files except Draw and Text - they append fine. From any other app I get the "Don't know how to print !ArtWorks (or whatever) files. Do you want to print as Plain/Fancy/Cancel." This is when the app in question is waiting patiently on the icon bar. Where am I going wrong? Tim -- Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 31 14:33:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1028115337:20:07009:100".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:33:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1028115337:20:07009:100; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:35:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006417; 31 Jul 2002 11:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6VBZp005390 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:35:51 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.internl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6VBZnM05387 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:35:49 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust221.tnt36.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.166.221] with SMTP for id NAA09657 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:32:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002601c23886$2cb8b1f0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> <4b5b862d83rogersps@onetel.net.uk> <000c01c233e4$9e906b20$4d01a8c0@padua> <4b5e7d1d85tim@de-sig.co.nz> Subject: Re: Append to File (was Bulk change etc) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:33:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 31 Jul, wrote: > In article <000c01c233e4$9e906b20$4d01a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > I have to admit I've never had much joy with this. Perhaps you can > shed some light... > > > Go to connection...: click File AND 'Append to File' > > Drag icon (with a suitable name) to harddisc > > !! Click OK !! > > > Open Queue control > > Drop Ovation files in this window. > > > !Printers loads OP on iconbar > > I always get "OP has suffered an internal error Type = 5" followed by > "Handle is either illegal or has been closed". This happens whether OP > is already loaded or not ie once it starts processing the file. I can reproduce this 'behaviour' easily :-) When I load such a document in OP, I get an error in OP about missing fonts and OP asks me, what I want. When I drop OP files to print on the Queue control, OP is loaded on the iconbar, but has no way to tell me, what is wrong or what is missing ... One font is very important, when you aren't sure about possible Artworks pictures in your OP doc: AvantG. Another problem with *clipped* Artworks pictures is the not-supported clipping, when printing isn't done from Artworks itself. *Artworks files inside OP* without applied clipping, aren't a problem. > However, this is better than for most other files except Draw and Text > - they append fine. > From any other app I get the "Don't know how to > print !ArtWorks (or whatever) files. Do you want to print as > Plain/Fancy/Cancel." This is when the app in question is waiting > patiently on the icon bar. This is true for CC applications, like !Artworks. Or dropping artworks files on !Printers. Also probably correct, because for the clipping support, printing has to be done from an Artworks window. I also hit that with !Publisher. A program like Easiwriter or Vector don't have these problems. Of course, again with the needed fonts loaded. > Where am I going wrong? Maybe as described above? BTW: When "Append to file" is used, it is possible to start with an Artworks/Impression file (printed from the apllication) and append *no CC* print out .. Like: Artworks file+3 OP doc's+Draw File+2 EW files etc etc. mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 31 16:02:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1028127441:20:05609:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:02:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1028127441:20:05609:72; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:57:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004851; 31 Jul 2002 14:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6VEwnQ05658 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:58:49 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6VEwlM05655 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:58:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17ZutG-000GHh-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:55:54 +0100 Message-ID: <5UejopA8o$R9Ewyy@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:54:52 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Append to File (was Bulk change etc) References: <4b5175403drogersps@onetel.net.uk> <4b5b862d83rogersps@onetel.net.uk> <000c01c233e4$9e906b20$4d01a8c0@padua> <4b5e7d1d85tim@de-sig.co.nz> <002601c23886$2cb8b1f0$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <002601c23886$2cb8b1f0$4d01a8c0@padua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I always get "OP has suffered an internal error Type = 5" followed by >> "Handle is either illegal or has been closed". This happens whether OP >> is already loaded or not ie once it starts processing the file. This is another 'bug that wouldn't die' saga. Reports of problems dragging many files for printing go way back. I have of course investigated and bug fixed it over the years. I'm surprised if there are still problems. >When I load such a document in OP, I get an error in OP about missing fonts >and OP asks me, what I want. Maybe this is an angle for me to investigate... >> From any other app I get the "Don't know how to >> print !ArtWorks (or whatever) files. Do you want to print as I think dragging to the printer to print is a feature of the 'new' (circa 1992) Acorn printer driver protocol - Artworks/Impression never did that, and probably the majority of RISC OS programs don't do it (SpriteScope, ArcFax etc. etc.) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 31 22:02:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1028148741:10:23714:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:02:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1028148741:10:23714:52; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:52:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023348; 31 Jul 2002 20:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6VKsG506107 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:54:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6VKsEM06104 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:54:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17a0RD-000EGy-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:51:19 +0100 Message-ID: <0eLA6oFn1ES9Ew7n@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:49:43 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Red Face References: <4b5c6a354ckh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4b5c6a354ckh@waikato.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From: K Hopper > I know David and Mike are wary about the differences but there are > excellent reasons for the strengths (and weaknesses) of Ovation Pro and > TechWriter Professional +. The programs work in totally different ways but > do have a massive overlap in functionality. The difference in design makes > some things easy / possible and other things difficult / impossible. > Ovation gains with its flexibility, ease of use and extensions; TechWriter > with its formal format and links to HTML, Word and TEX. So perhaps I wasn't quite such an idiot as I thought! Having 'got both' I find that TechWriter is great for converting formats - but in my opionion it is almost impossible to use to generate documents from scratch. Fortunately I no longer have access to a M****S*** machine - but when I have to use OpenOffice on my linux portable (with ROX of course) - I give up apart from viewing things others produce. There is just no control over what happens to text - which is why OvPro is so lovely - apart from the footnote problem??!!?? Thanks for all replies Keith -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 1 00:47:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1028158560:10:24957:136".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:47:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1028158560:10:24957:136; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:36:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105279; 31 Jul 2002 23:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6VM93B06244 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:09:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6VM8xM06241 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:08:59 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17a1bX-0006u4-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:06:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:05:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Red Face Message-ID: <4b5ede8e6cjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0eLA6oFn1ES9Ew7n@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4b5c6a354ckh@waikato.ac.nz> <0eLA6oFn1ES9Ew7n@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <0eLA6oFn1ES9Ew7n@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Having 'got both' I find that TechWriter is great for converting > formats - but in my opionion it is almost impossible to use to generate > documents from scratch. I can get my head around Ovation Pro and EasiWriter/TechWriter (just). Whilst I was teaching Style I found coping with all three beyond my ability! TechWriter etc requires a very different attitude to documents but, were I to write an academic book, I would use TechWriter. For a printed magazine Ovation Pro is the choice. Web page preparation is another matter and I might just find myself following Jim Lesurf's technique of using the Icon product. I may end up being an expert with both products! :-)) -- John Cartmell editor@acornpublisher.com Acorn Publisher magazine www.acornpublisher.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message