From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 17 21:20:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021665423:10:16063:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 21:20:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021665423:10:16063:60; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:57:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016002; 17 May 2002 19:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4HK4CB20259 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 May 2002 21:04:12 +0100 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HK49i20256 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 21:04:09 +0100 Received: from sinnema.hetnet.nl ([195.18.85.23]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 17 May 2002 21:53:38 +0200 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> X-Sender: knjillis@pop.hetnet.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:56:46 +0200 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: "C. Sinnema" Subject: Problems with 2.67 In-Reply-To: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings everyone! I'm relatively new to Ovation Pro, and only bought it a couple of months ago. This is my maiden posting. The learning curve was not too steep. I had moments of despair when things didn't appear to go as easily as Impy Publisher, and of joy when things worked really easily. The main thing I missed was tables not being translated correctly by the RTF loader. I get a lot of text with tables. So I lost no time downloading the latest version, hoping that this would be fixed at long last. Since I upgraded, my Ovation conks out when I load any text, place the cursor anywhere, and press . I was given RO3.7 plus StrongArm recently by a friend who'd upgraded. The StrongArm caused problems, so I put the old processor back again. I cannot see why this would matter, though. Is anyone familiar with this problem? A second point: Is there a manual anywhere I can download? I mean, more recent than the one on the 2000 CD? Yours, Cor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 17 23:36:00 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021674674:11:20754:90".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:36:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021674674:11:20754:90; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:31:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121714; 17 May 2002 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4HMOpc20585 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:24:51 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HMOmi20582 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:24:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 178q09-000NxD-0a for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:15:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4wyCtMHPCY58EwF6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:13:35 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 References: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Since I upgraded, my Ovation conks out when I load any text, place the >cursor anywhere, and press . 'conks out' meaning? Its hard to say, have you any applets loaded? >I was given RO3.7 plus StrongArm recently by a friend who'd upgraded. >The StrongArm caused problems, so I put the old processor back again. I >cannot see why this would matter, though. SA should not cause trouble with OP. >A second point: Is there a manual anywhere I can download? I mean, more >recent than the one on the 2000 CD? No. The current CD comes with 2.66 and the manual current circa 12 months ago. There are not vast changes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 18 13:59:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021703668:20:14481:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:59:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021703668:20:14481:59; Sat, 18 May 2002 06:34:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113040; 18 May 2002 6:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4I6hlu21563 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 May 2002 07:43:47 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I6hji21560 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 07:43:45 +0100 Received: from [213.116.50.175] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 178xlK-00018k-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 May 2002 07:32:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 07:35:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 Message-ID: <4b386d91adsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> References: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl>, C. Sinnema wrote: > A second point: Is there a manual anywhere I can download? I mean, more > recent than the one on the 2000 CD? You're now linked in to the biggest manual you could ever dream of. There's everyone from the amateur tinkerer (like me) to the professional publisher. First question is have you tried OvP loaded with *no* applets at all, and just a limited set of Transloaders active. TransRTF, TransDDF and TransIMP should do. Make sure you're running with the latest versions. !Info inside the Transloader will give the details. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 21 21:51:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021828505:10:12692:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:51:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021828505:10:12692:72; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:15:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012706; 19 May 2002 17:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4JHMHK25375 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 May 2002 18:22:17 +0100 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JHMEi25372 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 18:22:14 +0100 Received: from sinnema.hetnet.nl ([62.100.17.164]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 19 May 2002 19:11:20 +0200 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020519185256.00abe2d0@pop.hetnet.nl> X-Sender: knjillis@pop.hetnet.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 19:09:04 +0200 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: "C. Sinnema" Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 In-Reply-To: <4wyCtMHPCY58EwF6@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ha! The man himself! How gratifying At 23:13 17-05-02 +0100, you wrote: >>Since I upgraded, my Ovation conks out when I load any text, place the >>cursor anywhere, and press . > >'conks out' meaning? It goes belly-up and stiffs the machine. Only way out is . >Its hard to say, have you any applets loaded? I have, lots: !Abbrev, !Bookmark, !ColSupp, !Custom, !Document, !FancyDte, !Fluff, !Fog, !Fraction, !Grabber, !Hints, !Imposit, !JoinLine, !KSelect, !List, !Logger, !Ovrwrite, !PagePal, !SRWE, !Unique, !Version Your remark made me smell a rat, and I used the AppletManager to remove !Bulletfix (1.05). After that, I could insert the return character with no problem at all. Unfortunately, a little niggle remains. When I _start_ the line with a number, and finish it with return the result is a big freeze. I shall have a look at the other applets when I have the time. >>I was given RO3.7 plus StrongArm recently by a friend who'd upgraded. The >>StrongArm caused problems, so I put the old processor back again. I >>cannot see why this would matter, though. > >SA should not cause trouble with OP. Speaking of "op", the Abbreviation applet expands that to Ovation Pro. Not very handy when you write a Dutch-language text which contains the preposition "op" (= on or at) quite a few times. It had me puzzled for some time! Sorry for that red herring! >>A second point: Is there a manual anywhere I can download? I mean, more >>recent than the one on the 2000 CD? > >No. The current CD comes with 2.66 and the manual current circa 12 months >ago. There are not vast changes. I see. :( Thanks anyway David. And keep up the Good Work! Yours, Cor Sinnema -- mailto: corsinnema@hetnet.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 21 21:51:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021854557:10:26163:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:51:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021854557:10:26163:66; Mon, 20 May 2002 00:29:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105606; 20 May 2002 0:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4K0cZJ26533 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 May 2002 01:38:35 +0100 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K0cWi26530 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 01:38:32 +0100 Received: from sinnema.hetnet.nl ([62.100.22.22]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 20 May 2002 02:27:35 +0200 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020520015738.00aff560@pop.hetnet.nl> X-Sender: knjillis@pop.hetnet.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 02:03:54 +0200 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: "C. Sinnema" Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry to follow my own posting. As Barbara Ann Seery was quick to point out, it's the !List applet that causes the problem. Removing it made the problem go away completely. Thanks a lot to everybody that responded. I'll try to contribute my mite (might?) when I can! Happy hols, Cor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 21 21:51:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021860512:10:24470:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:51:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021860512:10:24470:56; Mon, 20 May 2002 02:08:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024437; 20 May 2002 2:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4K2IMo26992 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 May 2002 03:18:22 +0100 Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K2IIi26989 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 03:18:19 +0100 Received: from 53-1-211.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.66.211] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 179cag-0002E4-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:08:02 +0900 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:58:51 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020519185256.00abe2d0@pop.hetnet.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 19 May, C. Sinnema wrote: > > Speaking of "op", the Abbreviation applet expands that to Ovation Pro. Not > very handy when you write a Dutch-language text which contains the > preposition "op" (= on or at) quite a few times. It had me puzzled for some > time! But presumably you've now edited the abbreviations list so it doesn't. > > Cor Sinnema Ian P. -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 21 22:21:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022015590:20:17894:83".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 22:21:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022015590:20:17894:83; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:13:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018224; 21 May 2002 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4LLJit32527 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 May 2002 22:19:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LLJei32524 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 22:19:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17AGsN-000FaR-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 May 2002 22:09:00 +0100 Message-ID: <$yBjdoCMcr68EwsQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:07:24 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> <4wyCtMHPCY58EwF6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20020519185256.00abe2d0@pop.hetnet.nl> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020519185256.00abe2d0@pop.hetnet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It goes belly-up and stiffs the machine. Only way out is . The one thing worth saying is that control+escape terminates a running OP script. Can be useful to determine between a script stuck in a loop, and the entire program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 22 14:05:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022072418:10:18959:114".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:05:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022072418:10:18959:114; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:00:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019819; 22 May 2002 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4MD9b302323 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:09:37 +0100 Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MD9Xi02320 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:09:34 +0100 Received: from 54-1-76-169.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.76.169] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 17AVhZ-00012e-00 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 21:58:49 +0900 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:18:24 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <$yBjdoCMcr68EwsQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 21 May, David Pilling wrote: > > >It goes belly-up and stiffs the machine. Only way out is . > > The one thing worth saying is that control+escape terminates a running > OP script. Can be useful to determine between a script stuck in a loop, > and > the entire program. > David Pilling I'm having to do this a lot with v2.67 and a lot of applets. I suppose it's one of them, but I don't know which. Ian -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 22 14:20:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022073251:10:14452:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:20:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022073251:10:14452:58; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:14:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014258; 22 May 2002 13:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4MDNq602401 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:23:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MDNoi02398 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:23:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17AVvM-000EzY-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:13:05 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:11:53 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 References: <$yBjdoCMcr68EwsQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm having to do this a lot with v2.67 and a lot of applets. I suppose >it's one of them, but I don't know which. Wouldn't it be nice if OP told you which one you'd stopped... Yes, but its not trivial to program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 22 17:06:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022083201:20:26759:100".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 17:06:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022083201:20:26759:100; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:00:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027817; 22 May 2002 15:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4MG2ko02862 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 May 2002 17:02:46 +0100 Received: from mail8.svr.pol.co.uk (mail8.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.213]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MG2hi02859 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 17:02:43 +0100 Received: from modem-3004.tiger.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.219.188] helo=riscpc) by mail8.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17AYP8-00077B-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:51:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:49:39 +0100 From: Alan Adams Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Errors loading images MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've had a number of self-inflicted problems when loading documents with referenced images. As I recall the problems, and symptoms are: Image has been moved: OPro loads document in tiny, non-resizable window. Just enough window to save as DDL fortunately, so the reference can be edited. Image has been squashed: OPro quits with either Type=5 or "Abort on ..." (same image, different versions of the document). Only solution was to guess which image was the problem, find it, and unsquash it. Fortunately there was only one. Would it be possible to do some checking on referenced images, and display the image path before handling it a bit better? (I'm using OPro V2.60 - is it better in later versions?) -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 23 13:45:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022155441:20:19816:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:45:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022155441:20:19816:65; Thu, 23 May 2002 12:04:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100904; 23 May 2002 12:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4NBrG305349 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 May 2002 12:53:16 +0100 Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NBrBi05346 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 12:53:12 +0100 Received: from hh6217.hh.man.ac.uk ([130.88.186.217] helo=thomas) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 17Aqyt-000Okf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 May 2002 12:42:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:40:40 +0100 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Errors loading images Message-ID: <15b41c3b4b%mad_cow@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Feb 2002) [TEST 9], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 X-Scanner: exiscan *17Aqyt-000Okf-00*MXJF56zJ4c.* (Manchester Computing, University of Manchester) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams 's neurons contrived to inscribe: > I've had a number of self-inflicted problems when loading documents with > referenced images. As I recall the problems, and symptoms are: > > Image has been moved: OPro loads document in tiny, non-resizable window. > Just enough window to save as DDL fortunately, so the reference can be > edited. > An easier way of fixing this is to turn images off in the View menu then fix the reference from the picture menu. Mark. [snip] -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >> A vivid and creative mind characterizes you. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 28 23:45:01 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022624154:20:21702:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:45:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022624154:20:21702:72; Tue, 28 May 2002 22:15:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118833; 28 May 2002 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4SMPgk26365 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:25:42 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SMPZi26358 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:25:39 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020528221328.XULF28297.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:13:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:38:19 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Im*ster and OPro To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OPro 2.66, IxxxxMxxxx 1.14, Twain driver with Mustek 600S (SCSI) scanner. Printers 1.64a, Kyocera FS-800 PostScript driver supplied by Explan. I have a photo I've scanned to print filling most of an A4 page in Opro (scaled to 190% of original). Saved from IxxxxxMxxxxx as either JPEG or Sprite I get some strange blocks in some shaddow areas (definite rectangular blocks darker than the rest of the print) - fewer from the sprite, but in the same places as some in the JPEG. Saved as EPS from IxxxxMxxxx (pleasant surprise to see a lower-resolution preview) no artefacts though the file size suggests it is a JPEG wrapped up in EPS. Sprite - 7Mb, Tiff - 5Mb, JPEG - 258Kb, EPS - 385Kb. Is this to be expected? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 28 23:45:02 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022624154:20:20420:158".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:45:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022624154:20:20420:158; Tue, 28 May 2002 22:15:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118758; 28 May 2002 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4SMPhZ26366 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:25:43 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SMPei26362 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:25:40 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020528221333.XUMP28297.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:13:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:55:29 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: mixed page sizes To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Our monthly church magazine is A5 portrait, produced in OPro. This month we want an A4 landscape page for the centre spread because it takes a full-spread picture. The text flows from page 9 to page 12 with 10 and 11 blank for the photo (so I cannot use a different chapters!). I have just put empty frames over the Master frames on pages 10 and 11 and made a new document for the centre spread. This will be OK (I hope) for photocopying as I can supply pamphlet print-out and substitute the sheet from the second document for the otherwise blank pages 10-11. I say I Hope because the printers prefer A4 originals which they reduce on the copier to the A5 pages - they have worked with printers pairs from pamphlet print in the past. But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? (My usual routine is print Postscript to file (set to A5 portrait paper size) and use !ps2pdf as a front-end to Ghostscript. I'm thinking in terms of possibly using Galley print, splicing in the postscript for the centre spread before converting to PDF. I'll probably need to define a paper size which doesn't rotate the output for A4 landscape - or may I be able to hack the postscript to sort that out? Suggestions please. I've also posted this to the ghostscript list. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 28 23:45:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022412346:10:11939:1901".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:45:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022412346:10:11939:1901; Sun, 26 May 2002 11:25:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1107091; 26 May 2002 11:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4QBQcJ13583 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 May 2002 12:26:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4QBQZi13580 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 12:26:35 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17BvzI-000FJ7-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 26 May 2002 12:15:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 12:14:27 +0100 Subject: Printing an existing file Message-ID: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Suppose I generate an OP DDL file in some other program, and I then want to print it. I know that I can do: *wimptask @PrintType_B25 filename and that, provided OP has been seen and the @PrintType_B25 variable has a value this will run OP and tell it to print the file. But what exactly will happen? How do I specify all the parameters that a user would normally set via the print dialog boxes? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 02:59:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022637590:20:23753:143".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:59:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022637590:20:23753:143; Wed, 29 May 2002 01:59:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115591; 29 May 2002 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4T2BI526909 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:11:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T2BGi26906 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:11:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Csk0-0009F6-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:59:08 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 02:57:49 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Im*ster and OPro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have a photo I've scanned to print filling most of an A4 page in Opro >(scaled to 190% of original). Saved from as either JPEG or Sprite >I get some strange blocks in some shaddow areas (definite rectangular blocks >darker than the rest of the print) - fewer from the sprite, but in the same >places as some in the JPEG. Saved as EPS from (pleasant surprise >to see a lower-resolution preview) no artefacts though the file size suggests >it is a JPEG wrapped up in EPS. Sprite - 7Mb, Tiff - 5Mb, JPEG - 258Kb, EPS - >385Kb. Could you drop the references to the scanning program, I'm still being pursued... One idea that springs to mind is display artefacts. Unless you display a bit map with one screen pixel for one image pixel you're likely to get aliasing effects. I've often seen blocks appear as I scale an image bigger and smaller. I'd only really worry if it doesn't look right when printed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 03:14:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022637796:10:13454:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:14:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022637796:10:13454:62; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:03:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1103390; 29 May 2002 2:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4T2Dx826944 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:13:59 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T2Dvi26939 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:13:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Csma-0009Yn-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:01:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 03:00:32 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Printing an existing file References: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But what exactly will happen? How do I specify all the parameters that a >user would normally set via the print dialog boxes? They're saved with the document. The print window has a 'set' button, all print options should then be saved. Its got to work this way because sometimes when you click on print, the printer will be busy and the document will be queued (i.e. saved for later printing). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 14:55:17 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022664400:20:05401:142".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 14:55:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022664400:20:05401:142; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:26:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115881; 29 May 2002 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4T9LP827853 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:21:25 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T9LMi27850 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:21:23 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust38.tnt35.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.164.38] with SMTP for id LAA07416 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 29 May 2002 11:07:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: mixed page sizes Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:11:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 28 May, Anthony Hilton wrote: > This will be OK (I hope) for photocopying as I can supply pamphlet > print-out and substitute the sheet from the second document for the > otherwise blank pages 10-11. I say I Hope because the printers prefer A4 > originals which they reduce on the copier to the A5 pages - they have > worked with printers pairs from pamphlet print in the past. > > But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? When you use the PostScript printer menu option "Append to file" in "Connections" and save the icon for the output file to disc, you can combine many different formats from many different sources in ONE PostScript file and distill a pdf from this PostScript file. As far as I have seen, only Publisher always wants to start a new PostScript file. Makes sure "Append to file" is already ON for the first print (that is, when you save the output file to disc). So in your case you can print page 1-9 from OP in A5 portrait, 10-11 as a landscape A4 from <...>, print 12 .. again from OP. mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 14:55:19 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022663440:10:14355:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 14:55:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022663440:10:14355:57; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:10:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1125621; 29 May 2002 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4T9CUm27807 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:12:30 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T9CRi27803 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:12:27 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-14-115.webport.bt.net [213.1.14.115]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g4T9wdV19307 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:58:40 GMT Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:59:58 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: mixed page sizes Message-ID: <9a01253e4b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Our monthly church magazine is A5 portrait, produced in OPro. > > This month we want an A4 landscape page for the centre spread because it > takes a full-spread picture. The text flows from page 9 to page 12 with 10 > and 11 blank for the photo (so I cannot use a different chapters!). I have > just put empty frames over the Master frames on pages 10 and 11 and made a > new document for the centre spread. > > This will be OK (I hope) for photocopying as I can supply pamphlet print-out > and substitute the sheet from the second document for the otherwise blank > pages 10-11. I say I Hope because the printers prefer A4 originals which they > reduce on the copier to the A5 pages - they have worked with printers pairs > from pamphlet print in the past. > > But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? (My usual > routine is print Postscript to file (set to A5 portrait paper size) and use > !ps2pdf as a front-end to Ghostscript. I'm thinking in terms of possibly > using Galley print, splicing in the postscript for the centre spread before > converting to PDF. I'll probably need to define a paper size which doesn't > rotate the output for A4 landscape - or may I be able to hack the postscript > to sort that out? > > Suggestions please. > For the centre spread simply place frames on each of the two facing pages. Import the graphic into both frames (I would use by Reference) and scale and position the image to get two matching halves (use the info palette to get precise alignement). No output whole document to PostScript using Thumbnails and when converted to PDF you should see facing pages as pairs (readers' spreads) except for first and last which should be single pages. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 16:25:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022685209:10:26200:137".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:25:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022685209:10:26200:137; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:13:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122704; 29 May 2002 15:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TFOZE28784 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:24:35 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TFOWi28781 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:24:32 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17D56t-0004J3-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:11:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:36:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Printing an existing file Message-ID: <4b3e43c833Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Pilling wrote: > >But what exactly will happen? How do I specify all the parameters > >that a user would normally set via the print dialog boxes? > They're saved with the document. The print window has a 'set' button, > all print options should then be saved. > Its got to work this way because sometimes when you click on print, the > printer will be busy and the document will be queued (i.e. saved for > later printing). Are *all* of the relevant parms in DDL files? If not, is there a way to load a DDL doc into OP, then run a applet which could - say - read a list of print options from a file and set them and issue a print request? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 16:40:03 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022686773:10:05145:174".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:40:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022686773:10:05145:174; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:39:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102745; 29 May 2002 15:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TFOho28789 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:24:43 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TFOei28786 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:24:40 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17D579-0004J3-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:11:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:40:24 +0100 Subject: Re: mixed page sizes Message-ID: <4b3e442c69Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? > When you use the PostScript printer menu option "Append to file" in > "Connections" ... Does this not mean that the file ends up containing all of the prolog (and perhaps epilog stuff if there is any) that the PS driver writes out, several times. And does that matter? If it doesn't then the same effect can presumably be got simply by writing to separate files then concatenating them? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 18:09:41 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022692012:10:05394:171".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:09:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022692012:10:05394:171; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:06:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121163; 29 May 2002 17:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4THDCI29180 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:13:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4THD9i29177 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:13:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17D6of-000APA-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:00:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:59:49 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Printing an existing file References: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b3e43c833Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b3e43c833Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Are *all* of the relevant parms in DDL files? If not, is there a way to >load a DDL doc into OP, then run a applet which could - say - read a list >of print options from a file and set them and issue a print request? Sorry I too my eyes off the ball there. You are of course talking about DDL. ISTR DDL files contain no print options at all. In that case they should be taken from the default document. DDL was always supposed to be just the document and not the view, although I've had to recently extend it for document preferences. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 19:54:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022697820:20:01371:128".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:54:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022697820:20:01371:128; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:43:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002320; 29 May 2002 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TIsli29436 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:54:47 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TIsii29433 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:54:44 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020529184226.KUUH19225.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:42:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:42:26 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Im*ster and OPro To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > >I have a photo I've scanned to print filling most of an A4 page in Opro > >(scaled to 190% of original). Saved from as either JPEG or Sprite > >I get some strange blocks in some shaddow areas (definite rectangular > >blocks darker than the rest of the print) - fewer from the sprite, but in > >the same places as some in the JPEG. Saved as EPS from (pleasant surprise > >to see a lower-resolution preview) no artefacts though the file size > >suggests it is a JPEG wrapped up in EPS. Sprite - 7Mb, Tiff - 5Mb, JPEG - > >258Kb, EPS - 385Kb. > > Could you drop the references to the scanning program, I'm still being > pursued... That was why I chose the sh=ubject line I did. > One idea that springs to mind is display artefacts. Unless you display a > bit map with one screen pixel for one image pixel you're likely to get > aliasing effects. > I've often seen blocks appear as I scale an image bigger and smaller. > I'd only really worry if it doesn't look right when printed. It was the printed versions where I saw it, not on screen. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 19:54:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022697921:20:06251:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:54:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022697921:20:06251:68; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:45:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006344; 29 May 2002 18:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TIvMd29470 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:57:22 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TIvJi29466 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:57:19 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020529184501.KXCI19225.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:45:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:45:01 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: mixed page sizes To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 May, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Tue 28 May, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > This will be OK (I hope) for photocopying as I can supply pamphlet > > print-out and substitute the sheet from the second document for the > > otherwise blank pages 10-11. I say I Hope because the printers prefer A4 > > originals which they reduce on the copier to the A5 pages - they have > > worked with printers pairs from pamphlet print in the past. > > > > But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? > > When you use the PostScript printer menu option "Append to file" in > "Connections" and save the icon for the output file to disc, you can > combine many different formats from many different sources in ONE > PostScript file and distill a pdf from this PostScript file. > > As far as I have seen, only Publisher always wants to start a new > PostScript file. > > Makes sure "Append to file" is already ON for the first print (that is, > when you save the output file to disc). So in your case you can print page > 1-9 from OP in A5 portrait, 10-11 as a landscape A4 from <...>, print 12 .. > again from OP. Thank you for the suggestion Tonnie - both files are printed from OPro as there is a legend to the photo and folios in the correct position as the rest of the docuent. I'll try it tomorrow. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 19:54:44 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022698098:10:07845:69".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:54:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022698098:10:07845:69; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:48:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007414; 29 May 2002 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TIxtC29552 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:59:55 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TIxqi29549 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:59:53 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020529184735.KZDR19225.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:47:35 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:47:34 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: mixed page sizes To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <9a01253e4b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 May, Mike Williams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > Our monthly church magazine is A5 portrait, produced in OPro. > > > > This month we want an A4 landscape page for the centre spread because it > > takes a full-spread picture. The text flows from page 9 to page 12 with > > 10 and 11 blank for the photo (so I cannot use a different chapters!). I > > have just put empty frames over the Master frames on pages 10 and 11 and > > made a new document for the centre spread. > > > > Suggestions please. > > > For the centre spread simply place frames on each of the two facing > pages. Import the graphic into both frames (I would use by Reference) > and scale and position the image to get two matching halves (use the > info palette to get precise alignement). > > No output whole document to PostScript using Thumbnails and when > converted to PDF you should see facing pages as pairs (readers' > spreads) except for first and last which should be single pages. Thanks for the idea Mike - I'd been thinking too much in terms of print even for the PDF. I'll try this tomorrow. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 21:39:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022704318:10:29517:162".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:39:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022704318:10:29517:162; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:31:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000663; 29 May 2002 20:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TKhXv29932 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:43:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TKhVi29929 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:43:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17DA6D-000MRz-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:31:13 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:30:10 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Im*ster and OPro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It was the printed versions where I saw it, not on screen. Oh. That's the first time I've heard such a suggestion. You seem to say EPS is OK and sprite is worse and JPEG is worse still. One could interpret that as the printer being better at scaling postscript than bitmaps. The argument against that is that RISC OS probably sticks the whole bitmap in the output PS file and lets the printer scale it anyway. Closer to home, I guess an EPS file is not subject to certain parts of OP e.g. the image processing facilities. I guess you might try printing the same images from Draw as a test to see where the problem is. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 30 13:32:06 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022749615:10:23551:136".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 13:32:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022749615:10:23551:136; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:06:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115140; 30 May 2002 9:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4U9GQl31462 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:16:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U9GNi31459 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:16:23 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17DLqe-0002w1-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:03:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:16:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Printing an existing file Message-ID: <4b3e5d6c33Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b3e43c833Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Pilling wrote: > ISTR DDL files contain no print options at all. In that case they > should be taken from the default document. So could/would the applet approach work? If I do the *wimptask @PrintType_B25 filename call, I presume I could have a specific applet that gets runs when OP loads the file? Or would the -print flag on the command remove that level of control? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 30 21:07:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022787711:10:25636:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:07:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022787711:10:25636:63; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:41:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123216; 30 May 2002 19:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4UJrFb00755 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 May 2002 20:53:15 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UJrDi00752 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 20:53:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17DVmr-000Bib-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 May 2002 20:40:41 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:39:16 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Printing an existing file References: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b3e43c833Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b3e5d6c33Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b3e5d6c33Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I do the *wimptask @PrintType_B25 filename call, I presume I >could have a specific applet that gets runs when OP loads the file? When the document is loaded (to be printed) the usual file loaded events will be generated, and you could intercept them to do whatever you want to. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 31 17:34:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022851180:20:15631:140".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:34:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022851180:20:15631:140; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:19:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120575; 31 May 2002 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4VDSiX21073 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:28:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:28:44 +0100 From: Message-Id: <200205311328.g4VDSiX21073@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Received: from server0051.freedom2surf.net (server0051.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VAhoi20610 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:43:50 +0100 Received: from riscpc01 ([194.106.52.185]) by server0051.freedom2surf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA02682 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:30:15 GMT Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:31:29 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Help with re-install Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (Newsbase/0.70) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.70-beta-2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist:ovationpro I have just upgraded my fixed drive, and am attempting to get OvPro reinstalled. I install from the 2.46 distribution and upgrade in two steps - to 2.51 and then 2.52. >From that point I should be able to use any of the 2.54, 2.55, 2.56, 2.57 or 2.58 upgraders. That works fine for everything except the 2.58 upgrader, which is the latest I have. Using the 2.58 upgrader results in the error message 'Input data exhausted'. I'm sure that I had been running v2.58 before changing the disc drive - what am I doing wrong? Perhaps this is the prompt to upgrade to 2.60 and beyond! -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 31 17:49:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022863472:20:26652:103".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:49:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022863472:20:26652:103; Fri, 31 May 2002 16:44:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127753; 31 May 2002 16:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4VGsq121634 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:54:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VGsoi21631 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:54:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17DpTb-000LGS-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:42:07 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:40:28 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: re: help with re-install References: <200205311328.g4VDSiX21073@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200205311328.g4VDSiX21073@omega.barnet.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Using the 2.58 upgrader results in the error message 'Input data >exhausted'. I don't have much idea, I didn't write that code. Obvious guesses are either the patching program is corrupt (or truncated) or what you are patching is not what the patch is designed for. Seems like I've made a mess of bouncing your email back to the list - no subject and the wrong return address. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 31 21:04:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022874600:10:08724:1785".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:04:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022874600:10:08724:1785; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:50:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009164; 31 May 2002 19:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4VJjN722041 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:45:23 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VJjKi22038 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:45:20 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020531193236.OICN2755.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:32:36 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:32:36 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: mixed page sizes To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <4b3e442c69Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 May, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > > But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? > > > When you use the PostScript printer menu option "Append to file" in > > "Connections" ... > > Does this not mean that the file ends up containing all of the prolog > (and perhaps epilog stuff if there is any) that the PS driver writes out, > several times. And does that matter? Yes, including embedded fonts for each print job - the PS output file was about 1Mb bigger for the 3-part print job compared with the one I hacked together (9Mb compared with 8Mb including jpegs). Doesn't seem to matter as the PDF is only 518Kb, and from the appended print file does what I want. The version I hacked together created a 10 page pdf instead of 21 pages - only the first part was included. I had thought this wasn't working as viewing the PS file with !Gview and Ghostscript displayed all pages at A5, cropping the one which should be A4 in the middle. The PDF is exactly as I wanted - many thanks for the suggestion Tonnie. > If it doesn't then the same effect can presumably be got simply by > writing to separate files then concatenating them? Probably, even the Ctrl-D at the end of each input file was included. I'll be putting the PDF on the website later tonight (http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/mag.htm follow the link to 200.pdf if you're interested). Mike Williams' suggestion is, of course, required if the picture is to span 2 pages not in the centre spread and to be printed (or photocopied). Thanks for the suggestion Mike. I also tried printing Galley, but the blank half-sheets for covers and first & last pages are less satisfactory. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 1 02:28:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022892775:20:05352:115".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:28:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022892775:20:05352:115; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 00:52:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005084; 1 Jun 2002 0:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5114XU22783 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:04:33 +0100 Received: from smtp1.clear.net.nz (smtp1.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5114Ui22780 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:04:30 +0100 Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (203-167-157-132.dialup.clear.net.nz [203.167.157.132]) by smtp1.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with SMTP id <0GX00091852122@smtp1.clear.net.nz> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:51:39 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:42:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian J Melville Subject: HTMLPro? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro When I was exploring the CD I found what is supposed to be a demo version of this programme. I have tried to contact Levens software without success. Has anyone used this software and/or evaluated it? Is it still available? Failing that is there another HTML generator for OP? Cheers! -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-21-181-9991 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 1 13:50:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022913852:20:13675:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:50:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022913852:20:13675:55; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 06:44:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107070; 1 Jun 2002 6:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g516uWZ23537 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:56:32 +0100 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g516uTi23534 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:56:29 +0100 Received: from williams333.freeserve.co.uk ([62.137.128.4] helo=riscpc) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17E2bz-00009I-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 07:43:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 07:44:51 +0100 Subject: Re: HTMLPro? Message-ID: <4b3fa424b6David@williams333.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 01 Jun, Ian J Melville wrote: > When I was exploring the CD I found what is supposed to be a demo > version of this programme. I have tried to contact Levens software > without success. > Has anyone used this software and/or evaluated it? > Is it still available? > Failing that is there another HTML generator for OP? > Cheers! It is still available - try support@realingenuity.com HTH Dave Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 1 20:35:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022959855:11:07192:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:35:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022959855:11:07192:68; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 19:30:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000045; 1 Jun 2002 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g51JIW725012 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:18:32 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g51JIUi25009 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:18:30 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020601190533.SVJP2755.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:05:33 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:05:25 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: HTMLPro? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 01 Jun, Ian J Melville wrote: > When I was exploring the CD I found what is supposed to be a demo version > of this programme. I have tried to contact Levens software without > success. > > Has anyone used this software and/or evaluated it? I tried the demo. It uses a table to get a web page which looks as close as possible to the OPro document - even for a simple single column frame. Not my choice for web pages. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:13:58 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023218602:20:00999:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:13:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023218602:20:00999:55; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:23:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2103363; 4 Jun 2002 19:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g54JaTI00948 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:36:29 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g54JaRi00945 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:36:27 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020604192251.ZCQQ28297.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:22:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:22:53 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <86aa6e414b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 04 Jun, stephane HAbeTT roux wrote: > In message <001101c20bef$ad5a9800$4d01a8c0@padua> > you wrote: > > > On Tue 04 Jun, "stephane HAbeTT roux" wrote: > > > > > I have this OvationPro file, 15 pages, 2.5Mb, few bitmap and vectorial > > > images. I need to print it to a poscript file to make it a pdf with > > > RiscScript. > > > > > > > > Printing to a normal (HP laser) printer, it all goes fine, but when i > > > try to print it to file postscript the system almost freezes forcing me > > > to reboot. That problem only occurs with this file. > > Sprites are not the problem. I have isolated a 2 pages OvationPro file > that has the problem when trying to print as postscript. > > You can check it out at http://habett.org/extra/orion.zip > > I really need to get this pdf done, any help in solving this mistery is > welcomed. > > Thanks. I downloaded your file, loaded into Opro 2.67 (warning about 4 missing fonts - OSymbolic.FFDingbest... - everything displays in Homerton and Trinity) and printed A4 Normal to file with Printers 1.64a (Kyocera PostScript Printer Definition File) no problem, made a pdf with Ghostscript and ps2pdf again no problem. Do these 2 pages use fonts which are used elsewhere in the document and print to file OK? If not I'd suspect the fonts are causing the problem. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:13:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023219000:20:15018:76".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:13:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023219000:20:15018:76; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:30:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125073; 4 Jun 2002 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g54Jffl00986 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:41:41 +0100 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g54Jfdi00983 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:41:39 +0100 Received: from heraldgate2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.50] helo=frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17FJyM-0001ny-04 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:28:02 +0100 Received: from catz-70b.stcatz.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.7.11] helo=catz-70b) by frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 17FJyM-0002qD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:28:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:28:01 From: Russell Palmer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript Mailer: ArpieMail version 0.20 User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro You wrote: > In message <001101c20bef$ad5a9800$4d01a8c0@padua> > you wrote: > > > On Tue 04 Jun, "stephane HAbeTT roux" wrote: > > > > > I have this OvationPro file, 15 pages, 2.5Mb, few bitmap and vectorial > > > images. I need to print it to a poscript file to make it a pdf with > > > RiscScript. > > > > > > > > Printing to a normal (HP laser) printer, it all goes fine, but when i > > > try to print it to file postscript the system almost freezes forcing me > > > to reboot. That problem only occurs with this file. > > Sprites are not the problem. I have isolated a 2 pages OvationPro file > that has the problem when trying to print as postscript. > > You can check it out at http://habett.org/extra/orion.zip No problems here, using Printers+ (the Select printer drivers), the PoScript2 PDF, and then RiScript to create the pdf (how confusng - too many pdfs!): http://users.ox.ac.uk/~scat1159/tx/orion.pdf Feel free to email the whole thing to me and I'll run it through for you (It'll be quite late this evening - I'm about to go out for a meal). One minor problem though - I had 4 fonts missing; 0Symbolic, amongst others. Hopefully you can spot what's missing in the pdf file. Perhaps one of these is the cause of your troubles? Good luck, Russ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:00 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023219342:20:26694:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023219342:20:26694:57; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:35:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114810; 4 Jun 2002 19:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g54Jn3C01029 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:49:03 +0100 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g54Jn0i01025 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:49:00 +0100 Received: from host217-36-6-211.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.6.211] helo=acornrpc) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17FK5S-0004WY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:35:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:31:37 +0100 From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript Message-ID: References: <86aa6e414b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <86aa6e414b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RISC PC SA-110 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 4 Jun, stephane HAbeTT roux wrote: [snip] > I have isolated a 2 pages OvationPro file that has the problem when > trying to print as postscript. > > You can check it out at http://habett.org/extra/orion.zip > > I really need to get this pdf done, any help in solving this mistery > is welcomed. Not really a lot of help, but your file both printed to PS and converted to .PDF (using ps2pdf). I would send you the .PDF file, but as I don't have all the fonts in the document it's probably not useful. The missing fonts substituted by OPro here are the Symbolic.FFDingbest and Sans.Eurostile families. Could it be the use of these fonts which is causing the problem? > > Thanks. > Don't mention it... -- Brian Howlett -------------------------------------------------------------- Windows has detected that the mouse has been moved. You must restart Windows for the new setting to take effect... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:01 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023222039:20:20732:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023222039:20:20732:57; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:20:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020663; 4 Jun 2002 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g54KXtv01310 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:33:55 +0100 Received: from ns1.pulse8design.com (qmailr@ns.pulse8design.com [212.67.199.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g54KXri01307 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:33:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 24655 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 20:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO RiscPC) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 20:14:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:28:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript Message-ID: <4b416a8cc4marten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , stephane HAbeTT roux wrote: > hello, > I have this OvationPro file, 15 pages, 2.5Mb, few bitmap and vectorial > images. I need to print it to a poscript file to make it a pdf with > RiscScript. > Printing to a normal (HP laser) printer, it all goes fine, but when i > try to print it to file postscript the system almost freezes forcing me > to reboot. That problem only occurs with this file. > I really need to get that pdf done quickly. Send it to me if you like - I'll have a go. marten@annerykiln.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:01 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023224639:20:19543:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023224639:20:19543:60; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:03:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123993; 4 Jun 2002 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g54LGXn01479 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:16:33 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g54LGVi01475 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:16:31 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-20-190.webport.bt.net [213.1.20.190]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g54M2NW20101 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:02:23 GMT Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:59:48 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript Message-ID: References: <86aa6e414b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <86aa6e414b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <86aa6e414b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> you wrote: > Sprites are not the problem. I have isolated a 2 pages OvationPro file > that has the problem when trying to print as postscript. > > You can check it out at http://habett.org/extra/orion.zip > > I really need to get this pdf done, any help in solving this mistery is > welcomed. > I endorse what Anthony Hilton and Russell Parmer suggest. Fonts are the most likely problem. Check that all fonts used have all their IntMetrics and Outlines files correctly named and correctly filetyped. Even then some poorly defined fonts will cause the problems described when the PostScript driver attempts to convert RISC OS fonts to Adobe Type 3 fonts. Also, make sure that you check any fonts embedded in Draw or ArtWorks files. Sometimes systematically removing every component in turn from the pages is the only way to find the cause of the problem. Beware fonts from obscure sources and fonts converted from TrueType fonts (not that these are always at fault). Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:01 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023224712:20:22135:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023224712:20:22135:72; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:05:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022281; 4 Jun 2002 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g54LIaB01540 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:18:36 +0100 Received: from ns1.pulse8design.com (qmailr@ns.pulse8design.com [212.67.199.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g54LIXi01537 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:18:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 27008 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 20:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO RiscPC) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 20:58:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:58:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript Message-ID: <4b417dd322marten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , stephane HAbeTT roux wrote: > hello, > I have this OvationPro file, 15 pages, 2.5Mb, few bitmap and vectorial > images. I need to print it to a poscript file to make it a pdf with > RiscScript. > Printing to a normal (HP laser) printer, it all goes fine, but when i > try to print it to file postscript the system almost freezes forcing me > to reboot. That problem only occurs with this file. > I really need to get that pdf done quickly. Can you put the non-standard fonts on the same site as the main doc. Then one or other of the many of us trying to help could have a go with them installed. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:12 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023267997:20:11536:69".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023267997:20:11536:69; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:06:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011322; 5 Jun 2002 9:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g559JFJ02975 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:19:15 +0100 Received: from mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-3.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.233]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g559JCi02972 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:19:12 +0100 Received: from mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.69) by mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CFB24F000173F32 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:05:23 +0200 Received: from habett (193.253.193.56) by mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CFB286C001615A3 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:05:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:04:58 +0200 From: stephane HAbeTT roux To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript Message-ID: References: <4b417dd322marten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b417dd322marten@annerykiln.co.uk> X-Organization: Islam Inc, canal anti.historique User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00a) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 X-Peer2Peer-Protocol: Dummies to dummies X-Priority: 911 X-URL: http://habett.org/ X-Accept-Language: en, fr, perl, de X-Hello-Kitty: meow meow. Keywords: nihilism, random, chaos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for all your help. I've now included the missing fonts in http://habett.org/extra/orion.zip How can i tell which one is faulty ? -- |":._.:"| http://habett.org/ | (=) | habett@habett.org | L\. | I'm not symetric, baby. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023306499:20:18028:114".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023306499:20:18028:114; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:48:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018065; 5 Jun 2002 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g55K0Vp04650 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:00:31 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g55K0Si04647 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:00:28 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust76.tnt13.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.120.76] with SMTP for id VAA03583 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:45:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000901c20cc9$d0c24e70$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4b417dd322marten@annerykiln.co.uk> Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:46:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 05 Jun, "stephane HAbeTT roux" wrote: > Thanks for all your help. I've now included the missing fonts in > http://habett.org/extra/orion.zip > > How can i tell which one is faulty ? 0Symbolic.FFDingbest Look at this font in !Chars. Several characters aren't characters .. You can still use the glyphs, that you want, when you use these as shapes. After removing the textual glyphs. Use the font in !Draw. Convert the glyphs to shapes. Import these pictures as graphics. Maybe it isn't enough to remove the textual glyphs from the OP doc. All references to this font has to be removed, since any reference forces the PostScript printer driver to embed this faulty font ... Another way to force the PostScript driver to "ignore" this font (when reference is still in the OP doc, but no actual glyphs), is mapping this faulty font temporaly to e.g. Homerton.Medium by using !FontPrint. mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:14 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023307866:20:19844:92".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023307866:20:19844:92; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 20:11:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020312; 5 Jun 2002 20:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g55KOOq04727 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:24:24 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g55KOMi04724 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:24:22 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020605201032.LRBK4119.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:10:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:10:36 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 05 Jun, stephane HAbeTT roux wrote: > Thanks for all your help. I've now included the missing fonts in > http://habett.org/extra/orion.zip > > How can i tell which one is faulty ? > >From that Zip I installed the fonts using EasyFont Pro, opened the doc in OvationPro - it still reported 2 missing fonts 0Symbolic.FFdingbest.. so I accepted substitution. Printed to file no problem but with letters instead of the dingbats for address, phone and fax. Manually changed those characters to FFDingbest and printed - "Internal Error, no stack for trap handler: Data Abort, pc = 400E992C: registers at 001373D0" and much hard disk activity, that is light on constantly. After about 5 minutes I gave up and Shift-Ctrl-Break'd to re-boot the RiscPC. The PostScript file is 33Mb - Ghostscript with Gview cannot display it. I was running the fonts straight from the zip using SparkFS. Tried again - downloaded anew and unpacked zip to hard disk, removed previous copies of the fonts from EasyfontPro, installed the new copies. Loaded into Opro and it still complained about missing fonts. Changed the dingbats into FFDingbest font and tried printing page 1 only (which doesn't use that font). I got an error again, the screen drawing was corrupted, but I could shutdown properly before pressing the reset button. Tried again using the font in !Draw and printing - same error again. Perhaps your best option is to add those characters in FFDingbest into a Draw document, convert to curves and put the resulting graphics into your main document - at least gets it printed now. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023198807:10:21536:73".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023198807:10:21536:73; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:53:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1115657; 4 Jun 2002 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g54E32G32486 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:03:02 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g54E2xi32482 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:02:59 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17FEgf-000IWi-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:49:25 +0100 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:48:07 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: HTMLPro? Message-ID: <216756414b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 1 Jun 2002, in message , Ian J Melville wrote: > When I was exploring the CD I found what is supposed to be a demo version > of this programme. I have tried to contact Levens software without > success. > > Has anyone used this software and/or evaluated it? > Yes, and found it seriously lacking. I can't remember the details precisely, but I was intent on using it to distribute user documentation to customers in a platform-independant way, and wold have happily paid for a working version. Alas, there were so many formatting errors that I was forced to abandon that idea, and adopt Acrobat PDF as the distribution format, which works very well indeed! I contacted Levens, and on their request sent them a copy of my OP document, so that they could evaluate th problems. That was the last I heard from them, so I assume they abandoned HTMLPro. cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023199626:10:06701:106".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023199626:10:06701:106; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:07:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007163; 4 Jun 2002 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g54EKNp32544 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:20:23 +0100 Received: from mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-4.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g54EKKi32541 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:20:20 +0100 Received: from mel-rta8.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.79) by mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CFB2969000F456A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:06:41 +0200 Received: from habett (193.253.193.56) by mel-rta8.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CFB23D9000EA154 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:06:41 +0200 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:07:01 +0200 From: stephane HAbeTT roux To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Problems printing postcript Message-ID: X-Organization: Islam Inc, canal anti.historique User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00a) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 X-Peer2Peer-Protocol: Dummies to dummies X-Priority: 911 X-URL: http://habett.org/ X-Accept-Language: en, fr, perl, de X-Hello-Kitty: meow meow. Keywords: nihilism, random, chaos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro hello, I have this OvationPro file, 15 pages, 2.5Mb, few bitmap and vectorial images. I need to print it to a poscript file to make it a pdf with RiscScript. Printing to a normal (HP laser) printer, it all goes fine, but when i try to print it to file postscript the system almost freezes forcing me to reboot. That problem only occurs with this file. I really need to get that pdf done quickly. OvationPro: 2.67 Printers: 1.64a -- |":._.:"| http://habett.org/ | (=) | habett@habett.org | (.) | Away on that site -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023212750:10:20852:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023212750:10:20852:59; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:45:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020544; 4 Jun 2002 17:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g54Hwl700619 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:58:47 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g54Hwji00616 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:58:45 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust248.tnt35.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.164.248] with SMTP for id TAA00373 (8.8.8/1.3); Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:43:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001101c20bef$ad5a9800$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:45:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 04 Jun, "stephane HAbeTT roux" wrote: > I have this OvationPro file, 15 pages, 2.5Mb, few bitmap and vectorial > images. I need to print it to a poscript file to make it a pdf with > RiscScript. > > Printing to a normal (HP laser) printer, it all goes fine, but when i > try to print it to file postscript the system almost freezes forcing me > to reboot. That problem only occurs with this file. Are the bitmaps 16 or 32 bit? If not, they are probably the cause of your trouble. Also a pdf (not only a pdf made with RiScript Pro) has trouble with sprites less than 16 bit. Easy to change this with !ChangeFSI. Or try the sprites/bitmaps separately outside the OP doc. > I really need to get that pdf done quickly. > > OvationPro: 2.67 > Printers: 1.64a mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023214407:10:24551:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023214407:10:24551:58; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:13:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024335; 4 Jun 2002 18:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g54IQVE00741 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:26:31 +0100 Received: from mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-4.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g54IQSi00738 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:26:28 +0100 Received: from mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.69) by mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CFB2969001254E2 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:12:48 +0200 Received: from habett (193.253.193.56) by mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CFB286C00119056 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:12:48 +0200 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:13:08 +0200 From: stephane HAbeTT roux To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript Message-ID: <86aa6e414b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> References: <001101c20bef$ad5a9800$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <001101c20bef$ad5a9800$4d01a8c0@padua> X-Organization: Islam Inc, canal anti.historique User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00a) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 X-Peer2Peer-Protocol: Dummies to dummies X-Priority: 911 X-URL: http://habett.org/ X-Accept-Language: en, fr, perl, de X-Hello-Kitty: meow meow. Keywords: nihilism, random, chaos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <001101c20bef$ad5a9800$4d01a8c0@padua> you wrote: > On Tue 04 Jun, "stephane HAbeTT roux" wrote: > > > I have this OvationPro file, 15 pages, 2.5Mb, few bitmap and vectorial > > images. I need to print it to a poscript file to make it a pdf with > > RiscScript. > > > > > Printing to a normal (HP laser) printer, it all goes fine, but when i > > try to print it to file postscript the system almost freezes forcing me > > to reboot. That problem only occurs with this file. Sprites are not the problem. I have isolated a 2 pages OvationPro file that has the problem when trying to print as postscript. You can check it out at http://habett.org/extra/orion.zip I really need to get this pdf done, any help in solving this mistery is welcomed. Thanks. -- |":._.:"| http://habett.org/ | (=) | habett@habett.org | (.) | Love your neighbour -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 5 21:14:36 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023220296:10:04857:69".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:14:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023220296:10:04857:69; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:51:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004834; 4 Jun 2002 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g54K4sC01188 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:04:54 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g54K4qi01185 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:04:52 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020604195115.UOLS295.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:51:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:51:16 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 04 Jun, Russell Palmer wrote: > You wrote: > > > In message <001101c20bef$ad5a9800$4d01a8c0@padua> > > you wrote: > > > > > On Tue 04 Jun, "stephane HAbeTT roux" wrote: > > > > > > > I have this OvationPro file, 15 pages, 2.5Mb, few bitmap and > > > > vectorial images. I need to print it to a poscript file to make it a > > > > pdf with RiscScript. > > > > > > > > > > > Printing to a normal (HP laser) printer, it all goes fine, but when i > > > > try to print it to file postscript the system almost freezes forcing > > > > me to reboot. That problem only occurs with this file. > > > > Sprites are not the problem. I have isolated a 2 pages OvationPro file > > that has the problem when trying to print as postscript. > > > > You can check it out at http://habett.org/extra/orion.zip > > No problems here, using Printers+ (the Select printer drivers), the > PoScript2 PDF, and then RiScript to create the pdf (how confusng - too many > pdfs!): > > http://users.ox.ac.uk/~scat1159/tx/orion.pdf Looks identical to the one I generated from !Printers 1.64a. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 6 14:11:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023341425:10:19679:82".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:11:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023341425:10:19679:82; Thu, 06 Jun 2002 05:30:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1110856; 6 Jun 2002 5:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g565h7w05870 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:43:07 +0100 Received: from mel-rto6.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.25]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g565h4i05867 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:43:04 +0100 Received: from mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.193) by mel-rto6.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CFB2D63001F0287 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:29:00 +0200 Received: from habett (193.252.59.45) by mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CFB2CF9001F7503 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:29:00 +0200 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 07:26:24 +0200 From: stephane HAbeTT roux To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problems printing postcript Message-ID: <272430424b.habett@Jesus.wanadoo.fr> References: <4b417dd322marten@annerykiln.co.uk> <000901c20cc9$d0c24e70$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000901c20cc9$d0c24e70$4d01a8c0@padua> X-Organization: Islam Inc, canal anti.historique User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00a) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 X-Peer2Peer-Protocol: Dummies to dummies X-Priority: 911 X-URL: http://habett.org/ X-Accept-Language: en, fr, perl, de X-Hello-Kitty: meow meow. Keywords: nihilism, random, chaos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The problem is now solved by deleting that faulty font. Thanks all for your contribution and the fantastic support i received, by the phone, and in french. -- |":._.:"| http://habett.org/ | (=) | habett@habett.org |.(/'\).| Underneath there is the light -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 11 22:27:01 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1023824429:20:15247:117".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:27:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1023824429:20:15247:117; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:40:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016342; 11 Jun 2002 19:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5BJr0f23873 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:53:00 +0100 Received: from he102war.uk.vianw.net (he102war.uk.vianw.net [195.102.249.209]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5BJqvi23870 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:52:57 +0100 Received: from p46.nas3.is5.u-net.net ([195.102.201.46] helo=bulldog.u-net.com) by he102war.uk.vianw.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 17HrNh-0006vw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:32:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:35:28 +0100 Subject: The alternative OvationPro site - change of URL Message-ID: <4b450b8fffchris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Most of you are probably aware of the existence of the alternative OPro site, which I have hosted on one of my RiscPCs at Heriot-Watt for several years. Changes are afoot, the most important of which is that I shall be leaving said institution later this summer. I have been mirroring the site for a while in my private web space, and this will soon become the only site available. I suggest you change your bookmarks to point to this site if you are not already using it. The URL is http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/ The contents of the ovation pro site are in serious need of an update, I am afraid I have been rather remiss over this for some time. I hope to have a major purge of the contents over the summer, particularly the hints and tips section. If anyone has any tips they think usefully could be included then please let me know. Regards to all Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: chris@chris-johnson.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 18 22:22:12 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1024435292:10:22726:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:22:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1024435292:10:22726:62; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:21:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102553; 18 Jun 2002 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5ILKMM13659 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:20:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5ILKJi13656 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:20:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17KQNK-000NNN-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:18:55 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:17:50 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Off topic help References: <4b450b8fffchris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4b450b8fffchris@bulldog.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From: Ian Hunter >To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk >Subject: Off topic help I know that this is off topic, for which I apologise, but since upgrading to RISC OS 4, my printer and Acorn do not communicate. All the output is in, what I presume to be codes of some description. The only way I can print is through RiScript and my wife's lap top. I upgraded through Select and have sent them numerous emails but have had no response to date. Damn annoying as well as discourteous! I have a Canon BJC 4100, RISC OS 4.02 / 4.29 and Printers 1.62. It produces the same result with all applications I have tried (Draw / OvPro / Edit / Fireworkz etc) I would be grateful if someone can point me in a suitable direction for advice. Thanks -- Ian Hunter Rocque Balan Guernsey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From ray@raydawson.com Tue Jun 18 23:22:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1024438805:20:02222:17".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:22:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1024438805:20:02222:17; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:20:05 GMT Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.177]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002331; 18 Jun 2002 22:20 GMT Received: from modem-3505.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.237.177] helo=modem-3505) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17KRKQ-000442-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:19:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:18:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Off topic help Message-ID: <4b48badccbray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4b450b8fffchris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain In article , David Pilling wrote: > I have a Canon BJC 4100, RISC OS 4.02 / 4.29 and Printers 1.62. It > produces the same result with all applications I have tried (Draw / > OvPro / Edit / Fireworkz etc) Have a look at Predesk.ModPatch.!Load and look for the line to RMEnsure ParallelDeviceDriver. If it's commented out, try uncomenting it and rebooting. Thinking about it, isn't there a later version of !Printers than 1.62 with Select? I only have bog standard RISC OS 4.02, but I use Printers 1.64 which is available somewhere for download. It fixed a multitude of sins for some printers, but introduced problems for others. It may be worth a try if the above doesn't work. Cheers, Ray D From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 18 23:22:15 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1024438822:10:29538:95".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:22:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1024438822:10:29538:95; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:20:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112358; 18 Jun 2002 22:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5IMLML13890 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:21:22 +0100 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5IMLJi13887 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:21:19 +0100 Received: from modem-3505.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.237.177] helo=modem-3505) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17KRKQ-000442-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:19:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:18:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Off topic help Message-ID: <4b48badccbray@raydawson.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4b450b8fffchris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Pilling wrote: > I have a Canon BJC 4100, RISC OS 4.02 / 4.29 and Printers 1.62. It > produces the same result with all applications I have tried (Draw / > OvPro / Edit / Fireworkz etc) Have a look at Predesk.ModPatch.!Load and look for the line to RMEnsure ParallelDeviceDriver. If it's commented out, try uncomenting it and rebooting. Thinking about it, isn't there a later version of !Printers than 1.62 with Select? I only have bog standard RISC OS 4.02, but I use Printers 1.64 which is available somewhere for download. It fixed a multitude of sins for some printers, but introduced problems for others. It may be worth a try if the above doesn't work. Cheers, Ray D -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 19 14:06:42 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1024470872:10:19876:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:06:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1024470872:10:19876:59; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:14:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111511; 19 Jun 2002 7:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5J7Efr15033 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:14:41 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5J7Eci15030 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:14:38 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([80.2.252.14]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020619071313.PSIF4626.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:13:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:13:08 +0100 From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Off topic help Message-ID: References: <4b450b8fffchris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message David Pilling wrote: > > >From: Ian Hunter > >To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > >Subject: Off topic help > snip > > I upgraded through Select and have sent them numerous emails but have > had no response to date. Damn annoying as well as discourteous! Email them to subscribe you to the select mailing list you will receive more help there. > I have a Canon BJC 4100, RISC OS 4.02 / 4.29 and Printers 1.62. It > produces the same result with all applications I have tried (Draw / > OvPro / Edit / Fireworkz etc) I have a BJC4200 wich uses the 4100 pdf and Risc OS 4.29 with out problems. I have used !Printers 1.64a and more recently !Printers+ (part of Select as a seperate download from Riscos ltd). As this is quite an old printer you may get better results with !Printers version 1.53. > I would be grateful if someone can point me in a suitable direction for > advice. again get on the Select Maillist advice with be forth coming from the subcribers (lots of notable Risc OS Users) > Thanks > > > > -- Ian Hunter Rocque Balan > Guernsey > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 19 23:21:37 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1024524784:10:24189:136".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:21:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1024524784:10:24189:136; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:13:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004571; 19 Jun 2002 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5JM9NK17423 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:09:23 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5JM9Gi17419 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:09:21 +0100 Received: from du-009-0037.freeuk.com ([212.126.152.37] helo=skiddaw) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #5) id 17Knc5-000DQL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:07:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:59:50 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Off topic help Message-ID: References: <4b450b8fffchris@bulldog.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Feb 2002) [TEST 9], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 18 Jun, in message David Pilling wrote: > > From: Ian Hunter > > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > Subject: Off topic help > > I know that this is off topic, for which I apologise, but since > upgrading to RISC OS 4, my printer and Acorn do not communicate. All > the output is in, what I presume to be codes of some description. The > only way I can print is through RiScript and my wife's lap top. > > I upgraded through Select and have sent them numerous emails but have > had no response to date. Damn annoying as well as discourteous! They do state that they will not provide support except via the Select SmartGroup (which is down at the moment while SmartGroups perform some 'maintenance'). Email RISCOS Ltd to ask to join (it's a closed list). > I have a Canon BJC 4100, RISC OS 4.02 / 4.29 and Printers 1.62. It > produces the same result with all applications I have tried (Draw / > OvPro / Edit / Fireworkz etc) > > I would be grateful if someone can point me in a suitable direction for > advice. The Select mailing list... -- Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 20 18:41:16 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1024594502:20:26043:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:41:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1024594502:20:26043:58; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:35:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101797; 20 Jun 2002 17:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5KHWrV30197 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:32:53 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5KHWoi30194 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:32:50 +0100 Received: from [62.64.203.162] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17L5lV-000ENx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:30:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:28:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Off topic help Message-ID: <4b496b812adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4b450b8fffchris@bulldog.u-net.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: [Snip] > Email RISCOS Ltd to ask to join (it's a closed list). [Snip] Perhaps that should read "... a closet list." Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 21 13:55:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1024656406:10:25427:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:55:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1024656406:10:25427:57; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:46:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108954; 21 Jun 2002 10:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5LAjtK32345 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:45:55 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5LAjqi32342 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:45:53 +0100 Received: from dhcppc1 ([213.106.195.173]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020621104400.LQFG4626.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@dhcppc1> for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:44:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:43:00 +0100 From: Roger Noble Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Updated applets X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Feb 2002) [TEST 9], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Updated versions of the Contents, Sections and Sequencer applets are now available from the alternative resources site: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ovationpro/ Roger -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 25 21:56:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1024906867:20:18791:69".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:56:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1024906867:20:18791:69; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:21:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018340; 24 Jun 2002 8:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5O8Egv00353 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:14:42 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5O8ESM00279 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:14:28 +0100 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.94] helo=blueyonder.co.uk) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17LhN7-00043v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:39:57 +0100 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:39:07 +0100 Received: from david (unverified [62.30.48.24]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:39:07 +0100 Message-ID: <003001c219d0$ada83850$6401a8c0@david> From: "David Woodman" To: Subject: pc version Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:39:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C219D9.0F4F7B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C219D9.0F4F7B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any news about how the pc version is progressing. I am eagerly anticipating it. The last I remember reading was a comment that it may be ready by = midsummer. sitting on the edge of my seat... David Woodman=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C219D9.0F4F7B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there any news about how the pc = version is=20 progressing.
 
I am eagerly anticipating = it.
 
The last I remember reading was = a comment that=20 it may be ready by midsummer.
 
sitting on the edge of my = seat...
 
David = Woodman 
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C219D9.0F4F7B60-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 25 21:57:05 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1024906683:10:12010:148".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:57:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1024906683:10:12010:148; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:18:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013115; 24 Jun 2002 8:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5O8ECF00203 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:14:12 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (exim@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5O8E4M00179 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:14:09 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.215]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17MEi4-0002JT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:15:48 +0100 Received: from modem-3752.zebra.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.158.168] helo=jstp) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17MEez-0001mw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:12:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:12:44 GMT From: JayCee To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: TransWord Message-ID: <177c4d4b4b.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is there any sign on the horizon of a new TransWord Applet which will deal with later versions of word files. JayCee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 25 23:11:26 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025042992:10:27261:77".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:11:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025042992:10:27261:77; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:09:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004447; 25 Jun 2002 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5PM8Ph05995 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:08:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5PM8NM05992 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:08:23 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17MyTY-000L9d-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:07:52 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:06:24 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: pc version References: <003001c219d0$ada83850$6401a8c0@david> In-Reply-To: <003001c219d0$ada83850$6401a8c0@david> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any news about how the pc version is progressing. Fair question. Progress has not been as fast as I intended. Partly this is due to my on going legal problems over the scanning program. Partly other work has taken longer than I intended. Ovation Pro for Windows exists but printing and picture handling don't work, just about everything else does work. In the meantime I've got a number of Windows versions of my programs in a finished state. This is an achievement because writing a Windows program is not enough, you've got to be able to install it and provide Windows help files with it. So it's all stuff that will be needed for Ovation Pro. However these Windows programs won't see the light of day until the legal difficulties are at an end. Finally the Windows version won't be called Ovation. It eventually became apparent that Beebug's trademarks on the name did not include the USA (or in fact anywhere other than Benelux and UK) so it follows there has to be a new name. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 25 23:26:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025043261:10:09132:218".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:26:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025043261:10:09132:218; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:14:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009461; 25 Jun 2002 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5PMEQQ06048 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:14:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5PMENM06045 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:14:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17MyZN-0005lQ-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:13:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:12:39 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: TransWord References: <177c4d4b4b.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <177c4d4b4b.JayCee@jstp.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any sign on the horizon of a new TransWord Applet which will deal with >later versions of word files. The possibilities of this are increasing. Firstly it makes a lot of sense for a Windows version of the program. Secondly a number of influential people in the RISC OS world (!) have suggested that if Ovation did handle Word files they'd arrange for it to sell more copies. I'm seriously thinking of paying a third party to write Word loaders and savers. I mentioned here sometime back that there is an open source project to handle Word files which would be a good basis. So if you're a freelance programmer, good, quick, cheap (pick any 2) let me know. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 26 18:52:38 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025113837:10:16009:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:52:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025113837:10:16009:58; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:50:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014733; 26 Jun 2002 17:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5QHmYN09063 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:48:34 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5QHmVM09060 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:48:32 +0100 Received: from [213.116.60.44] (helo=213.116.60.44) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NGsX-0000rT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:46:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:40:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Tiled Printing Message-ID: <4b4cc58574davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I was trying to use tiled printing from OP with a Canon S800 using the spacetech driver. This did not seem to function - I got corrupted and incomplete printouts. The same operation on my HP Laserjet worked correctly. Interestingly Artworks would print to both correctly. The OP file contained a single drawfile from !Trace. Anyone else had experience of this issue/printer combination David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 26 21:07:41 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025121183:10:14612:55".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:07:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025121183:10:14612:55; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:53:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013880; 26 Jun 2002 19:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5QJqKr09368 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:52:20 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5QJqIM09365 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:52:18 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17NIpE-000N4O-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:51:36 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:50:05 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Tiled Printing References: <4b4cc58574davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b4cc58574davidb@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I was trying to use tiled printing from OP with a Canon S800 using the >spacetech driver. This did not seem to function - I got corrupted and >incomplete printouts. The same operation on my HP Laserjet worked >correctly. Interestingly Artworks would print to both correctly. >The OP file contained a single drawfile from !Trace. Is the tiling relevant? A draw file might contain many things - could just be a sprite. ISTR there are some catches with the Spacetech drivers, I think they've been discussed here and that there was a fix I did, but I'd guess you're using the latest version of everything. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 26 23:07:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025128432:20:04271:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:07:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025128432:20:04271:53; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:53:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100567; 26 Jun 2002 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5QLqol09661 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:52:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5QLqlM09658 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:52:47 +0100 Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17NKhl-000Ccw-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:52:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:34:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Tiled Printing Message-ID: <4b4cd58711mick@tab1.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b4cc58574davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b4cc58574davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b4cc58574davidb@argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > I was trying to use tiled printing from OP with a Canon S800 using the > spacetech driver. This did not seem to function - I got corrupted and > incomplete printouts. The same operation on my HP Laserjet worked > correctly. Interestingly Artworks would print to both correctly. > The OP file contained a single drawfile from !Trace. > Anyone else had experience of this issue/printer combination > David Breakwell JPEGS and text print O.K. but Draw files (from memory of last time I tried it) get scaled to (I think) 50% in both directions i.e. one quarter size. -- Mick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 27 00:22:44 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025133177:20:26651:54".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:22:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025133177:20:26651:54; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:12:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126341; 26 Jun 2002 23:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5QNBuJ09871 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:11:56 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5QNBsM09868 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:11:54 +0100 Received: from [62.188.136.53] (helo=62.188.136.53) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17NLvQ-000748-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:10:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:38:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tiled Printing Message-ID: <4b4ce0d3b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b4cc58574davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >I was trying to use tiled printing from OP with a Canon S800 using the > >spacetech driver. This did not seem to function - I got corrupted and > >incomplete printouts. The same operation on my HP Laserjet worked > >correctly. Interestingly Artworks would print to both correctly. > >The OP file contained a single drawfile from !Trace. > Is the tiling relevant? > A draw file might contain many things - could just be a sprite. > ISTR there are some catches with the Spacetech drivers, I think they've > been discussed here and that there was a fix I did, but I'd guess you're > using the latest version of everything. The Drawfile was a !Trace from a sprite - I'll do some more testing and let people know. David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 27 02:07:46 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025139654:10:14350:91".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:07:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025139654:10:14350:91; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:00:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1105122; 27 Jun 2002 1:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5R10pV10155 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:00:51 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5R10nM10152 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:00:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17NNdk-0002M9-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:00:04 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:58:29 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Tiled Printing References: <4b4cc58574davidb@argonet.co.uk> <4b4ce0d3b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b4ce0d3b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The Drawfile was a !Trace from a sprite - I'll do some more testing and >let people know. So one can deduce that it consists only of filled paths - no sprites, fonts etc. Its a bit surprising there is any trouble, my feeling is that the Photodesk driver only messes about with sprites. Having said that under some circumstances OP renders via sprites. That situation would be an irregular frame, or a rectangular frame at an angle - this is another thing to look at. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 27 13:06:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025179012:10:10249:73".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:06:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025179012:10:10249:73; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:56:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1120085; 27 Jun 2002 11:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5RBsnJ30251 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:54:49 +0100 Received: from zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5RBskM30248 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:54:46 +0100 Received: from zetnet (bts-0016.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.48.16]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id g5RBrmQ26449 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:53:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Gooding To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:46:32 +0100 Subject: Re: Tiled Printing Message-ID: <4b4d237fb6ian.gooding@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b4ce0d3b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b4cc58574davidb@argonet.co.uk> <4b4ce0d3b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b4ce0d3b9davidb@argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > The Drawfile was a !Trace from a sprite - I'll do some more testing and > let people know. If it is any help, I had a lot of trouble with bounding boxes generated by !Trace. I've seen this drive PS drivers wild, so maybe the Spacetech system also doesn't like it. If this is the problem, it can be solved by loading the draw file into !Draw, select all, group, save back. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 27 20:05:35 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025204428:20:08102:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:05:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025204428:20:08102:58; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:00:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007964; 27 Jun 2002 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5RJ0St31373 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:00:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5RJ0PM31370 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:00:26 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17NeUM-0005UV-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:59:30 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:57:59 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Tiled Printing References: <4b4cc58574davidb@argonet.co.uk> <4b4ce0d3b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> <4b4d237fb6ian.gooding@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b4d237fb6ian.gooding@zetnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If it is any help, I had a lot of trouble with bounding boxes generated by >!Trace. I've seen this drive PS drivers wild, so maybe the Spacetech >system also doesn't like it. If this is the problem, it can be solved by >loading the draw file into !Draw, select all, group, save back. I'm inclined to argue the toss over what sort of printer drivers bad bounding boxes will upset. But they shouldn't be wrong in the first place. As far as I know they are not wrong in the current version of Trace - there is an upgrade available on my web site. As you say, a trip through Draw will fix such problems. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 21:57:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025561941:10:09210:53".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:57:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025561941:10:09210:53; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:19:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108952; 1 Jul 2002 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g61MIxt17457 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:18:59 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61MIuM17454 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:18:56 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17P9Tm-00007W-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:17:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:35:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands Message-ID: <4b4f68ce95Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b4f4effddpaul@delink.nl> References: <4b4f3d88ecpaul@delink.nl> <4b4f43b4c0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b4f4effddpaul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b4f4effddpaul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > If you create such a document by hand then export it as DDL surely > > there are picture-related sections of DDL in there? > There is indeed, but DDL commands apparently are not the same as DDF > commands. Anyhow, when I copy the relevant DDL part into my DDF file, it > doesn't work; it just displays the commands, rather than execute them. No I know they aren't. I assumed you'd typed DDF but meant DDL. Since DDF is an impression file format I don't quite see why you'd expect inadequacies in that to be resolvable in an OP list. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 21:57:36 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025562709:10:26156:144".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:57:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025562709:10:26156:144; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:31:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026743; 1 Jul 2002 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g61MX4v17526 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:33:04 +0100 Received: from pinza.firstnet.net.uk (inbound.firstnet.net.uk [212.103.224.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g61MX1M17522 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:33:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 8921 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2002 22:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hpbrio) (212.103.240.164) by pinza.first with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 22:31:02 -0000 From: "Ian ODonnell" To: Subject: Buying Ovation Pro? Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:38:57 +0100 Message-ID: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <4b4f4effddpaul@delink.nl> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, As a long term Impression User for professional Graphics work, I am considering moving over to Ovation for two reasons: Memory usage: Impression is failing on RISC OS 4 with larger documents 50Mb plus. Document Print Hanndling: I need to be able to create magazine type layouts which I need to then create with the page layouts set up correctly for print eg. page 2 and 3 next to each on screen when designing but on the final layout it could be page 2 & 16, impression does not do this when you need all the crop marks, registration marks et al. Also it would be nice if I could set up one business card design and then have Ovation lay it out four up on A5 with no margins between cards ready for cutting but with crop marks etc. round the outisde. How does Ovation fare in these respects? Thanks Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 21:57:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025599494:10:11177:190".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:57:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025599494:10:11177:190; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 08:44:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111632; 2 Jul 2002 8:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g628jTs18910 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:45:29 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g628jQM18907 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:45:26 +0100 Received: from frogger ([127.0.0.1] helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17PJEl-0001Jo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 09:42:15 +0100 Received: from 195.152.254.85 (proxying for unknown) (WebMail authenticated user bb07) by email.argonet.co.uk with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:42:15 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:42:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands From: "David Breakwell" To: In-Reply-To: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: WebMail (version 3.21 ß) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >> Since DDF is an impression file format I don't quite see why you'd >> expect inadequacies in that to be resolvable in an OP list. > Because OPro happily reads DDF as well (see the DDF loader). > >> Or can you generate DDL for OPro directly? > I suppose so, but the syntax is quite complex and not as program > independant as DDF - as far as I can see. > DDF does not support graphics it is a text format only hence its presence in Impression under the save story menu. It can only save the text information from impression. DDL is the text based OP file format this does allow graphics to be included (indeed all features of the document can be included). Some ideas come to mind. 1. Create DDL natively - the easy way is to create an outline document in OP and save it out - you can then see where the various bits go (it is very structured and not difficult to disect). I have a BASIC program that will convert graphics files to OP if you need some code for this. 2. Mail merge your data into OP - mail merge can include graphics. 3. Write an OP script to insert DDL into your file when a trigger text is reached (advanced search and replace). David Breakwell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 21:58:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025542542:20:13981:169".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:58:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025542542:20:13981:169; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:55:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102492; 1 Jul 2002 16:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g61GuaB16675 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:56:36 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61GuXM16672 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:56:33 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.51.185]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYKXN502.03Q for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:54:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:54:05 +0200 Subject: Importing graphics using DDF-commands Message-ID: <4b4f4effddpaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b4f43b4c0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4b4f3d88ecpaul@delink.nl> <4b4f43b4c0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > If you create such a document by hand then export it as DDL surely there > are picture-related sections of DDL in there? There is indeed, but DDL commands apparently are not the same as DDF commands. Anyhow, when I copy the relevant DDL part into my DDF file, it doesn't work; it just displays the commands, rather than execute them. Anyone else an idea? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 21:58:13 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025532452:20:03274:104".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:58:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025532452:20:03274:104; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:07:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003207; 1 Jul 2002 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g61DjpU15971 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:45:51 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61DjlM15968 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:45:47 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.53.103]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYKOT802.60F for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:43:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:43:20 +0200 Subject: Importing graphics using DDF-commands Message-ID: <4b4f3d88ecpaul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all, In order to generate a nice booklet (of our video tapes), directly from my database, I let this database create a DDF-file, making use of various kinds of DDF-commands, like {"Bold" on} and {nextframe} etc. Dragging this file into a specially defined Ovation template generates a quite beautiful catalogue. However, I can't manage to forces pictures from a given path to be inserted in predefined frames. Is there a DDF-command that can do this, or does this involve additional programming? A typical (simplified) DDF-record should be something like this: {style} text {style off} {nextframe} {import .picture} {nextframe} It is the 'import picture' part that puzzles me - if anyone understands what I mean. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 21:58:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025538035:20:07479:103".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:58:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025538035:20:07479:103; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:40:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106011; 1 Jul 2002 15:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g61FfAW16451 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:41:10 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61Ff7M16448 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:41:08 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17P3Gr-0004DR-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:39:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:50:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands Message-ID: <4b4f43b4c0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b4f3d88ecpaul@delink.nl> References: <4b4f3d88ecpaul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b4f3d88ecpaul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > However, I can't manage to force pictures from a given path to be > inserted in predefined frames. Is there a DDF-command that can do this, > or does this involve additional programming? If you create such a document by hand then export it as DDL surely there are picture-related sections of DDL in there? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 21:58:20 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025555013:20:29784:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:58:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025555013:20:29784:68; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:23:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106173; 1 Jul 2002 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g61KO9G17166 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:24:09 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61KO6M17163 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:24:07 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.0.16.154]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020701202218.MFYI4626.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:22:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:22:27 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4b4f4effddpaul@delink.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 01 Jul, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > If you create such a document by hand then export it as DDL surely there > > are picture-related sections of DDL in there? > > There is indeed, but DDL commands apparently are not the same as DDF > commands. Anyhow, when I copy the relevant DDL part into my DDF file, it > doesn't work; it just displays the commands, rather than execute them. Please help me understand the distinction between DDF and DDL - I think Impression and OPro. If so can you generate a sample (single page) document in Impression, save as DDF and see how it works? Or can you generate DDL for OPro directly? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 21:58:31 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025598942:20:23987:52".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:58:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025598942:20:23987:52; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 08:35:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2023951; 2 Jul 2002 8:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g628ZwQ18860 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:35:58 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g628ZtM18857 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:35:55 +0100 Received: from delink.planet.nl ([213.75.53.62]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYM54I00.0D1 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:33:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:33:48 +0200 Subject: Importing graphics using DDF-commands Message-ID: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b4f68ce95Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4b4f3d88ecpaul@delink.nl> <4b4f43b4c0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b4f4effddpaul@delink.nl> <4b4f68ce95Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Since DDF is an impression file format I don't quite see why you'd > expect inadequacies in that to be resolvable in an OP list. Because OPro happily reads DDF as well (see the DDF loader). > Or can you generate DDL for OPro directly? I suppose so, but the syntax is quite complex and not as program independant as DDF - as far as I can see. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 21:58:32 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025602614:20:04809:246".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:58:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025602614:20:04809:246; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 09:36:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118384; 2 Jul 2002 9:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g629OqL19054 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:24:52 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g629OoM19051 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:24:50 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust12.tnt16.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.126.12] with SMTP for id LAA20234 (8.8.8/1.3); Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:21:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <005501c221aa$2d9b8900$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> <56210.195.152.254.85.1025599335.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:23:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Jul, "David Breakwell" wrote: > >> Since DDF is an impression file format I don't quite see why you'd > >> expect inadequacies in that to be resolvable in an OP list. > > Because OPro happily reads DDF as well (see the DDF loader). > > > >> Or can you generate DDL for OPro directly? > > I suppose so, but the syntax is quite complex and not as program > > independant as DDF - as far as I can see. > > > > DDF does not support graphics it is a text format only hence its presence > in Impression under the save story menu. It can only save the text > information from impression. Isn't the DrawFile export from programs like TableMate and others with the purpose to use OLE for updating and editing not also a DDF format? DrawFile and Data? Put into a graphic frame in OP, it can contain more than text with styles ... mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 21:58:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025612619:20:10127:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:58:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025612619:20:10127:58; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 12:23:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113688; 2 Jul 2002 12:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g62CNXa19410 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:23:33 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g62CNUM19407 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:23:30 +0100 Received: from frogger ([127.0.0.1] helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17PMdq-0005nR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:20:22 +0100 Received: from 195.152.254.85 (proxying for unknown) (WebMail authenticated user bb07) by email.argonet.co.uk with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:20:22 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <17001.195.152.254.85.1025612422.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:20:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands From: "David Breakwell" To: In-Reply-To: <005501c221aa$2d9b8900$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <005501c221aa$2d9b8900$4d01a8c0@padua> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: WebMail (version 3.21 ß) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> DDF does not support graphics it is a text format only hence its >> presence in Impression under the save story menu. It can only save the >> text information from impression. > > Isn't the DrawFile export from programs like TableMate and others with > the purpose to use OLE for updating and editing not also a DDF format? > DrawFile and Data? > Put into a graphic frame in OP, it can contain more than text with > styles ... > OLE allows any filetype to be exported dynamically to a second application and updated on its return. Impression for example would allow any filetype to be dropped into a frame but would only render those with a drawfile or artworks type header. The renderer would ignore objects it did not recognise in the drawfile (the Acorn spec for drawfiles was designed with this in mind). I seem to remember a sheep baa sound demo with one version of Impression (or maybe my mind playing tricks..) Tablemate uses an extended drawfile format - the extra information used by tablemate is saved as extra objects in the standard drawfile format. You can see these objects if you load the drawfile into !Vantage (for example). In no way is this related to DDF. DDF is a text format and can only be used to store text story information (inclusing styles, rulers etc but not embedded graphics). DDL as used by OP is a Document Description Language and contains a full description of a document or story. David Breakwell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 22:42:27 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025645954:20:28559:61".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:42:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025645954:20:28559:61; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:39:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106785; 2 Jul 2002 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g62LdNU20239 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:39:23 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g62LdLM20236 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:39:21 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([80.0.16.154]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020702213719.RFLH16050.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:37:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:37:27 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Buying Ovation Pro? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <000101c22150$1649a2a0$04fea8c0@hpbrio> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 01 Jul, Ian ODonnell wrote: > Hi, > > As a long term Impression User for professional Graphics work, I am > considering moving over to Ovation for two reasons: > > Memory usage: Impression is failing on RISC OS 4 with larger documents > 50Mb plus. > > Document Print Hanndling: I need to be able to create magazine type > layouts which I need to then create with the page layouts set up > correctly for print eg. page 2 and 3 next to each on screen when > designing but on the final layout it could be page 2 & 16, impression > does not do this when you need all the crop marks, registration marks et > al. Print format of pamphlet handles it fine. > Also it would be nice if I could set up one business card design and then > have Ovation lay it out four up on A5 with no margins between cards ready > for cutting but with crop marks etc. round the outisde. Thumbnails - All same nearly handles this situation (I think crop marks are on each logical page, that is each card). It might be possible for the Imposit Applet which handles this to be edited to provide what you want - is Nick Kaijaks here to comment? > How does Ovation fare in these respects? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 2 22:57:29 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1025646731:10:19371:145".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:57:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1025646731:10:19371:145; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:52:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019596; 2 Jul 2002 21:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g62LrZc20324 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:53:35 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g62LrWM20321 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:53:33 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17PVYY-000FJB-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:51:30 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:50:27 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Importing graphics using DDF-commands References: <4b4f3d88ecpaul@delink.nl> <4b4f43b4c0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b4f4effddpaul@delink.nl> <4b4f68ce95Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> In-Reply-To: <4b4fa5086apaul@delink.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Joining this thread a bit late... Can Impression DDF actually handle graphics? I would have said not, and if it can I might add support to Ovation Pro's DDF loader. I would say Impression is the only program that uses DDF - so much for it being program independent (aside from helper programs). But of course OP is the only program that uses DDL. Its a pity that XML wasn't on the scene a year or two sooner. DDF can have mail merge tags in. I'm thinking here that it is just about possible to use Impulse to mail merge pictures into documents, so maybe that's the route to take. Then again as has been said if you're generating DDF yourself, its probably not much harder to generate DDL - which will let you stick in pictures. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message