From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 1 14:52:41 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165140 for opro ; Wed, 01 May 102 14:52:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020242426:20:13740:105; Wed, 01 May 2002 08:40:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014478; 1 May 2002 8:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g418eVS01337 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:40:31 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g418eSi01334 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:40:28 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.139]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020501083422.PJQL4626.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:34:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:34:18 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <0740b72f4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b2cf76c7fbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2de2d3a8brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b2de2d3a8brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous message, Brian Jordan wrote: > I have today been trying to discover why, in the real world, my original > problem was less predictable but nonetheless real. [snip] > Closing the clipboard window when not using it so that it is invoked by a > button press in a document window is all that is required. Aha! I'll try and find some time to fix that at some point soonish. Shouldn't be too hard to do - although the time might be hard to find :-( > Thanks to all who replied, particularly to John for confirming my findings > and preserving my sanity. No problem :-) John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 1 14:52:55 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165144 for opro ; Wed, 01 May 102 14:52:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020215716:10:03393:91; Wed, 01 May 2002 01:15:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003662; 1 May 2002 1:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g411Jfs00420 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 May 2002 02:19:41 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g411Jci00416 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 02:19:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 172igW-000Hyx-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 01 May 2002 02:13:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 02:04:51 GMT Message-Id: <165120@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard manager X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >OK, I've checked, and the crash is caused by the "setcurrentclipboard()" >command. I reckon that will only crash if the clipboard window is open. >However, I am puzzled by the very specific nature of the crash - >only when the *same* document is reopened, not when a different document is >reopened. The type of thing that goes on, is that you have a pointer to an object in memory e.g. a pointer to a document. The object is discarded, but the pointer remains. Things will go along happily until the memory the pointer points to is actually reused. Just why things go as they do, I don't undertstand. Perhaps the document name comes into play somewhere. >Perhaps we should have a little chat by email? Fine. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 1 14:53:00 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165147 for opro ; Wed, 01 May 102 14:52:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020215727:10:03762:108; Wed, 01 May 2002 01:15:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003658; 1 May 2002 1:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g411Jex00419 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 May 2002 02:19:40 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3RJVAi24229 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:31:10 +0100 Received: from modem-243.new-hampshire.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.80.243] helo=drood68) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 171XpN-0005at-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:25:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:17:52 +0100 Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <4b2de2d3a8brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <04874f2d4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b2cf76c7fbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Dec 2001) [TEST 8], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <04874f2d4b.john@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, John Pettigrew wrote: [Snip] > > > > Hmmm. I can verify that this also causes crashes here. > Oh, and as an interesting point, it only crashes if you reopen the same > document. If you open a different document, there is no crash when I > try to paste. However, if you then open the original document again, it > crashes, even though there has been a second document open since it was > saved and the frame pasted perfectly well into that second document! I can confirm all that you described in both this and your previous message. I have today been trying to discover why, in the real world, my original problem was less predictable but nonetheless real. By selective reintroduction of all my normal Applets, I have discovered that either or both of !StylePal (1.08) and !NudgePal (1.03) mask, but don't fix, this behaviour of !Clpbrds. An interesting feature of both of these is that their windows close when all open document windows are closed. This is not the case with the clipboard manager and herein is the clue to avoiding the 'type 5s'. Closing the clipboard window when not using it so that it is invoked by a button press in a document window is all that is required. My previous working method whereby I was keeping that window open coupled with my habit of saving frames rather than just the contents of the frames seem to be why I discovered the problem in the first place. Thanks to all who replied, particularly to John for confirming my findings and preserving my sanity. -- Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 14:16:15 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165199 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 14:16:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020334511:20:15010:294; Thu, 02 May 2002 10:15:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114787; 2 May 2002 10:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g429ZWl04339 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:35:32 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g429ZSi04336 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:35:29 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173Ctg-0002Rk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 09:29:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:29:48 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: No word wrap To: OvationPro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, Pleas forgive me, but somehow I'm unaware of the obvious and don't know how to switch off automatic word wrap. I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and use that for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap you get an ugly view with very regular spacing and white space. So I would like to switch word wrap off. Can it be done? TIA greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place Ginsberg's Theorems: 1) You can't win. 2) You can't break even. 3) You can't even quit the game. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 14:16:36 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165205 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 14:16:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020339088:10:17442:108; Thu, 02 May 2002 11:31:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103524; 2 May 2002 11:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42BCEu04670 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 12:12:14 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42BC2i04667 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 12:12:10 +0100 Received: from sottens-17.s210.wau.nl (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with ESMTP id <0GVH00EEBDGC88@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:05:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from steven by sottens-17.s210.wau.nl with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 173EPF-0001Qu-00 for ; Thu, 02 May 2002 13:05:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:05:49 +0200 From: Steven Subject: Re: No word wrap In-reply-to: ; from johan@waarland.demon.nl on Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:29:48AM +0200 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <20020502130549.C29249@sottens-17.dijkgraaf.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:29:48AM +0200, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > Hi all, > > Pleas forgive me, but somehow I'm unaware of the obvious and don't know how > to switch off automatic word wrap. > > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and use that > for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap you get an ugly > view with very regular spacing and white space. > So I would like to switch word wrap off. > I'm not entirely sure what you mean but for having text as a background i know a few solutions: if you turn on the left align and make the line of text as long as the frame is width you get a nice repeating background. If you don't put returns between the lines of text but just left it flow and fill the frame you get a more random background. And you can play with the alignment to make it more nice. But if you want no word wrap like in a text editor and let the line of text go out of the frame that's not normally possible. (AFAIK) Two solutions come to mind: Make the frame bigger then needed and hide the parts you don't need by putting a white frame over it, it works but is not very elegant. Make the lines of text in !Draw or !Artworks and repeat them there and put it as an image in a frame, then you can let the image extend out of the borders of the frame good luck Steven -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 14:49:17 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165212 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 14:49:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020345568:20:07725:56; Thu, 02 May 2002 13:19:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007616; 2 May 2002 13:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42CC3d04872 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:12:03 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42CC0i04868 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:12:00 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173FL8-000BbH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 12:05:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:06:44 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: No word wrap To: Steven In-Reply-To: <20020502130549.C29249@sottens-17.dijkgraaf.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Steven, Thanks for the quick response! On Thu 02 May, Steven wrote: > > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:29:48AM +0200, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > Hi all, [snip] > > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and use > > that for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap you > > get an ugly view with very regular spacing and white space. So I would > > like to switch word wrap off. Here's an example: Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here' e. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Here's an example. Her If you choose the right width of the frame in conjunction with the lenght of text, you get a nice random result. That's the idea. > I'm not entirely sure what you mean but for having text as a background i > know a few solutions: if you turn on the left align and make the line of > text as long as the frame is width you get a nice repeating background. Done that. But at the end of the line you won't find any split words, which is what I want. Words are wrapped, which gives a tiling effect after a few lines. > If you don't put returns between the lines of text but just left it flow > and fill the frame you get a more random background. And you can play with > the alignment to make it more nice. Not enough for me. Perhaps I /should/ put shiftReturns there, so i'm in more control of the line! > But if you want no word wrap like in a text editor and let the line of text > go out of the frame that's not normally possible. (AFAIK) It's an alternative, so I'll try that out. > Two solutions come to mind: Make the frame bigger then needed and hide the > parts you don't need by putting a white frame over it, it works but is not > very elegant. > > Make the lines of text in !Draw or !Artworks and repeat them there and put > it as an image in a frame, then you can let the image extend out of the > borders of the frame I suppose that's the way to go. But the disadvantage is the size, since it is no logner being just text. Thanks Steve, I have a few alternatives, which I'll a try. greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place My idea of an agreeable person, is a person who agrees with me. - Benjamin Disraeli -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 14:49:24 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165214 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 14:49:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020345585:20:05569:134; Thu, 02 May 2002 13:19:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008015; 2 May 2002 13:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42DP8m05084 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:25:08 +0100 Received: from mail-r2.hw.ac.uk (mail-r.hw.ac.uk [137.195.101.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42DP5i05081 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:25:05 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 173GQg-0006M8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:15:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Steven Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:18:57 +0100 Subject: Re: No word wrap Message-ID: <4b305525aeC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanner: exiscan *173GQg-0006M8-00*wLVN99L8MDg* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Have you thought of using hard spaces instead of normal spaces? If the line is then too long then it will just get split at the end. You will still get problems however, since the next "long" word will be started on a new line, rather than where the last word finished. I am not sure how you can turn justification off altogether. Is there any way of using hyphenation, with a Null character for the hyphenation symbol, and forcing hyphenation to occur at any letter? Just a thought. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 14:49:27 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165215 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 14:49:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020346528:20:29577:85; Thu, 02 May 2002 13:35:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118259; 2 May 2002 13:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42DXc505137 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:33:38 +0100 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42DXZi05134 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:33:35 +0100 Received: from heraldgate2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.50] helo=frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 173Gc5-0005P1-02 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:27:13 +0100 Received: from catz-70b.stcatz.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.7.11] helo=standalone) by frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 173Gc4-00085j-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:27:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:26:57 From: Russell Palmer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No word wrap Mailer: ArpieMail version 0.20 User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:29:48AM +0200, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and use > that for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap you > get an ugly view with very regular spacing and white space. So I would > like to switch word wrap off. Have you tried fully justifying the text and also switching on enhanced justification? It's not quite what you're looking for but it prevents the text from 'sorting itself out' after a few lines. Good luck, Russ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 18:05:53 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165223 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 18:05:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020348828:20:22120:68; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:13:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021580; 2 May 2002 14:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42DqMI05280 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:52:22 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42DqKi05277 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:52:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 173Gu9-0001dK-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:45:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:19:58 GMT Message-Id: <165207@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No word wrap X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If you save a document as DDL, load into Edit, you'll find that styles for example have a 'wordwrap' setting. I guess you'd create a doc with a style called 'nowrap' save as DDL, change the flag, reload and then apply the style to what you want. Or of course copy the style to the doc you're working on. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 18:05:59 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165225 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 18:05:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020358936:20:18983:147; Thu, 02 May 2002 17:02:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019769; 2 May 2002 17:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42EU7N05410 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 15:30:07 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42EU5i05407 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 15:30:05 +0100 Received: from raydawson ([62.253.92.90]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020502142342.SLNO23864.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@raydawson> for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 15:23:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: OvationPro Mailing List Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 15:22:39 +0100 Subject: Re: No word wrap Message-ID: <4b305afa85rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and > use that for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap > you get an ugly view with very regular spacing and white space. So I > would like to switch word wrap off. Write out the text and then replace the spaces with a hard space. Use F4 (Search) to replace spaces with Alt-160. Text will no longer word wrap as the hard spaces aren't recognised as a word end. It works - I just tried it. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 22:00:53 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165243 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 22:00:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020366379:10:00684:71; Thu, 02 May 2002 19:06:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108661; 2 May 2002 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42IriM06157 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:44 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42Irdi06152 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:40 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173Lbh-0007Y4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 18:47:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:42:49 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: No word wrap To: All In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, Silly me! On Thu 02 May, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: [snip] > Here's an example: > [snip: the example] The example did /not/ work, as the maximum line length is a 1000 chars in the email trans[ort. Didn't think about it at the time. Apologies to your all, for any inconvenience I've caused! [snip] greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place It isn't what they say about you, it's what they whisper. Errol Flynn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 22:00:58 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165245 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 22:00:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020368062:10:16745:94; Thu, 02 May 2002 19:34:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105216; 2 May 2002 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42Irge06154 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:42 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42IrYi06145 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:35 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173Lbf-0007Y4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 18:47:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:46:38 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: No word wrap To: All In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, On Thu 02 May, Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > Hi all, > > [...] > > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and use > that for a graphical effect in an underlying frame. With word wrap you get > an ugly view with very regular spacing and white space. So I would like to > switch word wrap off. In a short time I've received a couple answers. And there is more than one road to Rome! Thank you all who responded. It's much appreciated! greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place There are very few personal problems which can't be solved by a suitable application of high explosives. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 22:01:07 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165248 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 22:01:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020367990:20:12441:66; Thu, 02 May 2002 19:33:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122443; 2 May 2002 19:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42IrdW06151 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:39 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42IrXi06140 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:33 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173Lbc-0007Y4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 18:47:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:24:58 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: No word wrap To: Ray Dawson In-Reply-To: <4b305afa85rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Ray, On Thu 02 May, Ray Dawson wrote: > > In article , > Johan Heuseveldt wrote: > > > I want to use a small line of text copied a hundred times or so, and > > [...] > > would like to switch word wrap off. > > Write out the text and then replace the spaces with a hard space. Use F4 > (Search) to replace spaces with Alt-160. Text will no longer word wrap as > the hard spaces aren't recognised as a word end. > > It works - I just tried it. You're right. It does! Thanks Ray. greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place Hummingbirds never remember the words to songs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 2 22:01:13 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165250 for opro ; Thu, 02 May 102 22:01:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020368158:20:18591:56; Thu, 02 May 2002 19:35:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100662; 2 May 2002 19:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g42IrgF06156 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:42 +0100 Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42IrYi06142 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:53:34 +0100 Received: from [212.238.2.84] (helo=waarland.demon.nl) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173Lbe-0007Y4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 May 2002 18:47:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:36:56 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: Re: No word wrap To: David Pilling In-Reply-To: <165207@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Markup: yes X-No-Archive: yes X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-Platform2: now running RISC OS 4 (4.02 patch 5) X-System: Acorn RiscPC 600 X-Processor: ARM 710 on my second RiscPC (RPC2) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continues development of RISC OS X-Bar: ------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi David, On Thu 02 May, David Pilling wrote: > > If you save a document as DDL, load into Edit, you'll find that > styles for example have a 'wordwrap' setting. > [snip] Found it. Thanks. Still doing some experimenting: Back as a normal OvationPro document, and save a DDL version into Zap, the '{wordwrap 0}' is there. But resaving the 'nowrap' style, the '{wordwrap 0}' item is completely lost. Dropping a new DDL version into Zap shows me so So I Guess this tempering with a style should be left alone, and don't resave the style again. Is that normal behaviour? Perhaps the solution of Ray Dawson is an easy one to use quickly. Thanks David! greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place It is much easier to suggest solutions when you know nothing about the problem. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 3 03:06:25 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165270 for opro ; Fri, 03 May 102 03:06:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020385887:20:11624:63; Fri, 03 May 2002 00:31:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2010613; 3 May 2002 0:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g430ato07043 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 May 2002 01:36:55 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g430ari07040 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 01:36:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 173Qxs-0008J6-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 03 May 2002 01:30:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 22:08:30 GMT Message-Id: <165255@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: No word wrap X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes, I'd go with the hard space solution. That is a smart idea. Me, I know too much... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 3 13:50:47 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165274 for opro ; Fri, 03 May 102 13:50:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020405033:10:21808:67; Fri, 03 May 2002 05:50:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113962; 3 May 2002 5:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g435tcQ07693 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 May 2002 06:55:38 +0100 Received: from mxout1.netvision.net.il (mxout1.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g435tZi07690 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 06:55:35 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([212.143.37.62]) by mxout1.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GVI00IAZTHD4W@mxout1.netvision.net.il> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 03 May 2002 08:48:50 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 08:48:43 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Kerning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <3CD224BB.2050603@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0rc1) Gecko/20020417 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am trying to get manual kerning to work on OvPro, but with no success. According to the manual, it should work by using tracking with no selection set. However, that doesn't seem to work. If I select the relevant two characters and then use tracking it is OK, but then if I also need to do the same to any neighbouring character pairs instead of having two separately kerned character pairs I end up with all 4 characters kerned together. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 3 22:35:07 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165298 for opro ; Fri, 03 May 102 22:35:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020444447:20:05056:120; Fri, 03 May 2002 16:47:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107665; 3 May 2002 16:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g43GpCc09299 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:51:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43GpAi09296 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:51:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 173gAW-000It8-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 03 May 2002 17:44:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 13:55:12 GMT Message-Id: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Kerning X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am trying to get manual kerning to work on OvPro, but >with no success. According to the manual, it should work >by using tracking with no selection set. I think it only works from the keyboard (for unselected char pairs) As I recall when the manual was written it was going to work from the text effects window, but the programmer saw problems with that, and keyboard only was agreed. Pity if this lived on into the new manual. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:29:03 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165321 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:28:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020539910:20:22694:60; Sat, 04 May 2002 19:18:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022301; 4 May 2002 19:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g44JIhJ12074 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 May 2002 20:18:43 +0100 Received: from mxout3.netvision.net.il (mxout3.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.24]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44JIdi12071 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 20:18:40 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il ([212.143.37.196]) by mxout3.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GVL00492PBXFU@mxout3.netvision.net.il> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 04 May 2002 22:11:57 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 22:11:26 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: Re: Kerning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <3CD4325E.7030906@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en, he User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0rc1) Gecko/20020417 References: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: >>I am trying to get manual kerning to work on OvPro, but >>with no success. According to the manual, it should work >>by using tracking with no selection set. > > > I think it only works from the keyboard (for unselected char pairs) > > As I recall when the manual was written it was going to work from the > text effects window, but the programmer saw problems with that, and > keyboard only was agreed. How is it done from the keyboard, and how would it be reflected in DDL, as I have tried that route as well, with no success. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:31:46 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165370 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:31:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020704248:20:03642:67; Mon, 06 May 2002 16:57:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125008; 6 May 2002 16:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46H1Ge16996 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:01:16 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46H1Di16993 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:01:13 +0100 Received: from weeble.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.65]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 174lkL-000Ja3-0a for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 06 May 2002 17:53:57 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:53:38 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: D C Jones Subject: Fonts References: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related topic, does anyone know a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? b) Where can I get it? Many thanks in advance -- D C Jones -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:31:58 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165371 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:31:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020707795:20:19300:65; Mon, 06 May 2002 17:56:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2018343; 6 May 2002 17:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46I2BA17199 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:02:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46I29i17196 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:02:09 +0100 Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 174mhI-0005vm-0Z for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 06 May 2002 18:54:52 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:54:04 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Fonts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > b) Where can I get it? I obtained this and many other fine fonts from LookSystems - but whether they still offer this kind of thing, I don't know. A quick glance at their website suggests not. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:32:17 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165374 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:32:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020711883:20:13960:53; Mon, 06 May 2002 19:04:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013134; 6 May 2002 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46JAOK17463 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:10:24 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JAMi17460 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:10:22 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020506185359.WUDX4626.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:53:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:53:51 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Fonts To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > topic, does anyone know > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > b) Where can I get it? EFF de Gaulle looks close (EFF CD2) CC Gallant claims to be Gill Sans Extra Bold (Artworks) I have a feeling there's also Gyles but don't seem to have a copy around. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:32:36 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165376 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:32:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020716517:20:13963:54; Mon, 06 May 2002 20:21:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121178; 6 May 2002 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46KS3n17705 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:28:03 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46KS1i17702 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:28:01 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-41-32.webport.bt.net [213.1.41.32]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g46KOZF18298 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:24:35 GMT Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 21:23:30 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > > topic, does anyone know > > > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > > > b) Where can I get it? > > EFF de Gaulle looks close (EFF CD2) > > CC Gallant claims to be Gill Sans Extra Bold (Artworks) > > I have a feeling there's also Gyles but don't seem to have a copy around. > EFF deGaule is a version of Frutiger not Gill Sans. iSV had a version of Gills Sans, possibly iSVSans. EFF Eric is probably the best of what is currently available. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:32:47 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165377 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:32:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020718680:20:10734:61; Mon, 06 May 2002 20:58:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010119; 6 May 2002 20:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46L0uQ17906 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:00:56 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46L0si17903 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:00:54 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020506205335.MNYS2755.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:53:35 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:53:21 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Fonts To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 06 May, Mike Williams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > In on Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > > > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > > > topic, does anyone know > > > > > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > > > > > b) Where can I get it? > > > > EFF de Gaulle looks close (EFF CD2) > > > > CC Gallant claims to be Gill Sans Extra Bold (Artworks) > > > > I have a feeling there's also Gyles but don't seem to have a copy around. > > > EFF deGaule is a version of Frutiger not Gill Sans. iSV had a version > of Gills Sans, possibly iSVSans. EFF Eric is probably the best of > what is currently available. Thanks for the correction. At least Eric is the other name of Mr Gill who designed Gill Sans, makes much more sense than my guess! Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:22 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165383 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020763486:20:07753:86; Tue, 07 May 2002 09:24:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2117815; 7 May 2002 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g479RkO19426 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:27:46 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g479Rhi19423 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:27:43 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17518f-0008vT-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 09:20:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:49:18 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Fonts To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? I have a copy of the EFF book called "EFF Type Library". It lists and gives examples of their typefaces. They state that their Acorn equivalent of "Gill Sans" is "Eric". It is a well proportioned Sans Serif typeface similar to the typeface designed for the London Underground in 1918 by Jonston. Eric is available in a wide range of weights. They are named as Regular, Bold, Extra Bold, Ultra Bold. It is also available as Condensed in Regular, Bold and Ultra Bold. The Condensed set is called Narrow, Bold Narrow and Ultra Bold Narrow. All these weights are available as Oblique. The notes say that Gill Sans was designed in the mid 1920s by Eric Gill - hence the name Eric given by EFF to their version. The Extra Bold and Ultra Bold weights were designed more recently after Eric Gill's death. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:26 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165385 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020772297:20:18329:104; Tue, 07 May 2002 11:51:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116655; 7 May 2002 11:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47BXkl19826 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:33:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47BXfi19822 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:33:42 +0100 Received: from dougal.locationworks.com ([62.49.148.34] helo=kell) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17536l-000AYi-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:26:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell Gatherer To: Ovation Pro List Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:19:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <4b32dd5cfdlists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ovation Pro wrote: > They state that their Acorn equivalent of "Gill Sans" is "Eric". Harry Decker's very excellent Font Site www.fonts.iconbar.com has now got 4,402 fonts. One thing it (or another site) could do with, however, would be an equivalents section - a way of finding out what an equivalent Acorn font is called. That would be useful. -- Kell Gatherer kell@locsource.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:31 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165388 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020709716:10:21911:173; Mon, 06 May 2002 18:28:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022150; 6 May 2002 18:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46ILQq17305 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:21:26 +0100 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.10]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46ILNi17302 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:21:23 +0100 Received: from tnt-3-94.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.202.94] helo=ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 174mzt-0004wb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 06 May 2002 19:14:06 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 19:10:54 +0100 From: Dave Morrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <13387f324b.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> References: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message D C Jones wrote: > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > topic, does anyone know > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > b) Where can I get it? > > Many thanks in advance Gill Sans was available from Adrian Look Eric is available from EFF Hope this helps Dave -- Dave Morrell Middlesbrough (UK) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:38 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165392 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020791374:20:10359:57; Tue, 07 May 2002 17:09:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008347; 7 May 2002 17:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47HDUv20773 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:13:30 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47HDRi20770 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:13:27 +0100 Received: from modem-179.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.16.179] helo=localhost) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1758PV-0007Az-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:05:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:20:38 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Problem with tab-ruler Message-ID: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g47HDSi20771 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g47HDUw20773 Dear colleagues, I recently had to print a pamphlet which contained some accounts on 2 pag= es, and these were set landscape, not portrait. At the end of these accounts= was a small frame measuring something like 25mm high, and 190mm wide, and lik= e the other frames on that page it had been rotated 90=B0. When I tried to= alter the tabulation, by pressing Control-Tab the tab ruler displayed, but was = at right angles with the frame. This made it impossible to use it, partly because most of it was off the side of the monitor screen. It would be m= ost helpful if the tab ruler was always displayed in the same direction as th= e letters on the line the user is typing! Is there any way out of this? Thanks in advance, Yours, Robin. --=20 Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:38 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165391 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020717132:10:00484:190; Mon, 06 May 2002 20:32:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116324; 6 May 2002 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g46KNjX17687 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:23:45 +0100 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46KNgi17684 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:23:42 +0100 Received: from host213-1-190-232.btinternet.com ([213.1.190.232] helo=btinternet.com) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 174ouF-0007XG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 06 May 2002 21:16:23 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 21:08:35 +0100 From: Ed Donnelly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <39fe89324b.eddonnelly@freeuk.com> References: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: You must be joking User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Lo, in message D C Jones did write: > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > topic, does anyone know > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > b) Where can I get it? Try Harry Decker's Font Emporium - http://www.fonts.iconbar.com/Microsoft/ TTFN, Ed -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:48 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165397 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020732793:10:27547:86; Tue, 07 May 2002 00:53:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027920; 7 May 2002 0:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g470v0F18371 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:57:00 +0100 Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470uwi18368 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:56:58 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([62.253.77.118]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20020507004933.XYKJ18804.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:49:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 01:11:24 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Fonts To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 06 May, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > > Leading on from kerning (sorry about that!) but on a vaguely related > > topic, does anyone know > > > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > > > b) Where can I get it? > > EFF de Gaulle looks close (EFF CD2) > > CC Gallant claims to be Gill Sans Extra Bold (Artworks) > > I have a feeling there's also Gyles but don't seem to have a copy around. > > Anthony Hilton > The Gyles family is available on the iSV Typography CD -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:33:56 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165402 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020766634:10:10862:75; Tue, 07 May 2002 10:17:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123765; 7 May 2002 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47A8lp19584 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:08:47 +0100 Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47A8ii19581 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:08:44 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-1-dialup-103.spectraweb.ch [194.230.153.103]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id g47A17l27571 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:01:08 +0200 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:59:01 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Clipboard manager To: Ovation Pro mailing list In-Reply-To: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 25 Apr, Brian Jordan wrote: > > I have just reinstalled the !Clipbrds applet (v1.13) and it has promptly > reminded me why I uninstalled it last time. With OvPro 2.66 about two out > of three attempts to use the clipboard manager cause the program to > crash. snip the rest Was absent for a week, therefore this late reaction. Based on your explanation OvPro also cashes with me. But it does *not* crash if one has 1st activated the main frame, i.e. one clicks in the main frame. And then pastes. Presumably this is because if the main frame is not activated the Clipboard does not know where to position the paste symbol (a plus sign). This subject to David Pilling's better ideas. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:34:01 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165403 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:33:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020771546:10:28473:140; Tue, 07 May 2002 11:39:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113523; 7 May 2002 11:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47BXjK19825 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:33:45 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47BXfi19818 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:33:41 +0100 Received: from dougal.locationworks.com ([62.49.148.34] helo=kell) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17536k-000AYi-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:26:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kell Gatherer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:03:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Fonts Message-ID: <4b32dbe598lists@locsource.com> In-Reply-To: References: <165286@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , D C Jones wrote: > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > b) Where can I get it? HTH, -- Kell Gatherer kell@locsource.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 7 21:34:03 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165404 for opro ; Tue, 07 May 102 21:34:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020801600:20:23398:61; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:00:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023216; 7 May 2002 19:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47K6bN21204 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:06:37 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47K6Zi21201 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:06:35 +0100 Received: from [62.188.10.238] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175B5y-00070I-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:57:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:41:24 +0100 From: Chris Wragg To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with tab-ruler Message-ID: <26570b334b.Chris@cwragg.argonet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g47K6Zi21202 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g47K6bO21204 Status: R In message you wrote: > Dear colleagues, >=20 > I recently had to print a pamphlet which contained some accounts on 2 p= ages, > and these were set landscape, not portrait. At the end of these accoun= ts was > a small frame measuring something like 25mm high, and 190mm wide, and l= ike > the other frames on that page it had been rotated 90=B0. When I tried = to alter > the tabulation, by pressing Control-Tab the tab ruler displayed, but wa= s at > right angles with the frame. This made it impossible to use it, partly > because most of it was off the side of the monitor screen. It would be= most > helpful if the tab ruler was always displayed in the same direction as = the > letters on the line the user is typing! >=20 > Is there any way out of this? By coincidence I have had exactly the same problem today. I managed to set the tabs by guesswork reasonably satisfactorily, but it has to be a weak spot. Any chance of adding this to the wish list, David? ChrisW=20 --=20 Chris Wragg, Banham, Norfolk cwragg@argonet.co.uk RISC OS software - Mathematics - Walking - BASIC programming ... =20 ... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:24 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165440 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020807240:10:24714:53; Tue, 07 May 2002 21:34:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1118500; 7 May 2002 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47LenF21478 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:40:49 +0100 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Cjli20156 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:45:51 +0100 Received: from pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 7 May 2002 13:37:59 +0100 Received: from workgroup.Riscpc (unverified [62.30.66.196]) by pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Michael Talibard wrote: > On Mon 06 May, D C Jones wrote: > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > b) Where can I get it? > I obtained this and many other fine fonts from > LookSystems - but whether they still offer this > kind of thing, I don't know. A quick glance at > their website suggests not. They came in a set of 11 variants, ranging from Light to Extra Bold, licensed I believe from Monotype. Pity if they're not still available. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:25 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165441 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020807244:20:03823:59; Tue, 07 May 2002 21:34:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2105727; 7 May 2002 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47Leq521481 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:40:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Leii21469 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:40:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 175Ca8-000NlB-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:33:12 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 22:21:36 GMT Message-Id: <165428@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Kerning X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >How is it done from the keyboard ^ < ^> Decrease/increase font size by 1pt ^S< ^S> Decrease/increase font size through range ^; ^ Decrease/increase kerning or tracking by 1/1000 em ^S; ^S Decrease/increase kerning or tracking by 1/100 em ^[ ^] Decrease/increase horizontal scale by 1% ^S[ ^S] Decrease/increase horizontal scale by 5% Or more intelligibly, see page 2 of the quick reference card document on the CD (or the real card of course). >and how would it be reflected in DDL, as I have tried that route as well A criticism which has been rightly made is that OP has no kerning command, all it does is track single characters. So you'd expect to see tracking in the DDL. But then again recently the fancy space/move features came in. That I think provides another route to 'kerning'. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:29 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165442 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020807240:10:24699:53; Tue, 07 May 2002 21:34:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118489; 7 May 2002 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47Lerk21482 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:40:53 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47HDOi20763 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:13:24 +0100 Received: from modem-179.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.16.179] helo=localhost) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1758PS-0007Az-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:05:54 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:12:52 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Expanding abbreviation! Message-ID: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, Recently my wife was typing up some family history research, using Ovation pro, and she entered the abbreviation "op" at the end of s sentence, and when she keyed the full stop the word changed to Ovation Pro. She was of course writing in lower-case. Can you tell me what is causing this to happen, and how do we cancel it? Presumably it is some way for expanding selected combinations of letters which might represent frequently used names or phrases? I look forward to your help! Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:33 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165444 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020811364:20:03537:54; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:42:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002496; 7 May 2002 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47Mn3W21824 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:49:03 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Mn1i21820 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:49:01 +0100 Received: from [62.188.133.22] (helo=62.188.133.22) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175Dd5-000300-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 23:40:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:32:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Expanding abbreviation! Message-ID: <4b33207f60davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> References: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > I don't know but there may be a mean of temporarily disabling it in the > Applets menu off the main menu (MENU button over OPro window). Select the abbreviations option in the Applets menu (tick indicates abbreviation expansion is on). -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:37 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165447 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020810215:10:18875:114; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:23:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105230; 7 May 2002 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47MUeZ21767 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:30:40 +0100 Received: from ns1.pulse8design.com (qmailr@ns.pulse8design.com [212.67.199.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47MUbi21764 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:30:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 2132 invoked from network); 7 May 2002 22:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO RiscPC) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 7 May 2002 22:16:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:18:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Expanding abbreviation! Message-ID: <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > Recently my wife was typing up some family history research, using > Ovation pro, and she entered the abbreviation "op" at the end of s > sentence, and when she keyed the full stop the word changed to Ovation > Pro. She was of course writing in lower-case. > Can you tell me what is causing this to happen, and how do we cancel it? > Presumably it is some way for expanding selected combinations of > letters which might represent frequently used names or phrases? It's an applet. Open up !OPro (SHIFT DOUBLE CLICK) Open Applets. You've probably got the applet 'Abbreviations' or similarly named in there. To disable double click the Applet and a - (minus) sign should appear after it. QUIT OPro, and re-run it. Should then be disabled. I don't know but there may be a mean of temporarily disabling it in the Applets menu off the main menu (MENU button over OPro window). HTH -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 02:02:40 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165448 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 02:02:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020810598:10:25360:72; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:29:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1025308; 7 May 2002 22:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g47MbGs21787 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:37:16 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47MbDi21784 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:37:13 +0100 Received: from modem-2368.rhino.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.105.64] helo=riscpc) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 175DSm-0008Kn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 May 2002 23:29:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:22:24 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Expanding abbreviation! Message-ID: References: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> you wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Recently my wife was typing up some family history research, using Ovation > pro, and she entered the abbreviation "op" at the end of s sentence, and when > she keyed the full stop the word changed to Ovation Pro. She was of course > writing in lower-case. > > Can you tell me what is causing this to happen, and how do we cancel it? > Presumably it is some way for expanding selected combinations of letters > which might represent frequently used names or phrases? > > I look forward to your help! Robin. I seem to remember an aplet called Abbrev - do you have it running? Alan -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 18:29:00 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165463 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 18:28:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020866305:10:03512:79; Wed, 08 May 2002 13:58:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114747; 8 May 2002 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48E4MW23733 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:04:22 +0100 Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48E4Ji23730 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:04:19 +0100 Received: from pd95065d0.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.80.101.208] by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175Rvo-0003mK-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 15:56:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:56:40 +0200 Subject: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi! I just wanted to print something from Ovation Pro as PostScript file, but I didn't succeed. I tried with both, Printers 1.64 and 1.90b4 and the PostScript Level 2 driver, but I always end up with Ovation Pro doing a "type=5 error" and taking the whole machine down. PostScript-printing from e.g. Draw works fine with the same printer drivers. Printing the same file from Ovation Pro to my PCL printer works fine as well. Just the PostScript one doesn't. BTW: This is with Select 4.29. Does anybody recognise this problem? Or does it work for others? TIA. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page 99% of accidents occur at home ... stay safe, go out lots! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 18:29:08 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165466 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 18:29:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020873913:10:25244:111; Wed, 08 May 2002 16:05:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119438; 8 May 2002 16:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48G6NO24152 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:06:23 +0100 Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk (mail-r.hw.ac.uk [137.195.101.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48G6Ki24149 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:06:20 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 175Tpp-0000TW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 May 2002 16:58:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:54:04 +0100 Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <4b337a5d45C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanner: exiscan *175Tpp-0000TW-00*XJoyH/mvS4M* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Hi! > I just wanted to print something from Ovation Pro as PostScript > file, but I didn't succeed. > I tried with both, Printers 1.64 and 1.90b4 and the PostScript > Level 2 driver, but I always end up with Ovation Pro doing a > "type=5 error" and taking the whole machine down. > PostScript-printing from e.g. Draw works fine with the same printer > drivers. Printing the same file from Ovation Pro to my PCL printer > works fine as well. Just the PostScript one doesn't. > BTW: This is with Select 4.29. > Does anybody recognise this problem? Or does it work for others? I am using Select 4.29 and Printers 1.90b4 and always print to a network postscript printer. Never had any trouble with any of the Select releases. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro site: http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 18:34:59 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165474 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 18:34:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020877685:10:09454:83; Wed, 08 May 2002 17:08:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110058; 8 May 2002 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48H97h24375 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:09:07 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48H94i24372 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:09:04 +0100 Received: from miranda.philipnet.com ([80.1.191.221]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020508170121.LWPF23864.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@miranda.philipnet.com> for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:01:21 +0100 Received: from philipnet.com (unknown [192.168.1.3]) by miranda.philipnet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B522011F for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:02:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from philip by philipnet.com with local (RemoteNB 1.53) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 08 May 2002 18:01:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:01:17 +0100 From: Philip Ludlam To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <8d8480334b.philip@philipnet.com> References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: >Hi! > >I just wanted to print something from Ovation Pro as PostScript file, >but I didn't succeed. > >I tried with both, Printers 1.64 and 1.90b4 and the PostScript Level 2 >driver, but I always end up with Ovation Pro doing a "type=5 error" and >taking the whole machine down. > >PostScript-printing from e.g. Draw works fine with the same printer >drivers. Printing the same file from Ovation Pro to my PCL printer >works fine as well. Just the PostScript one doesn't. > >BTW: This is with Select 4.29. > >Does anybody recognise this problem? Or does it work for others? I'm using the PostScript Level 2 driver with Printers 1.62 and I've had no problems. Yours, Phil L. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 23:19:58 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165486 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 23:19:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020881363:10:12538:65; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:09:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012449; 8 May 2002 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48IEjD24582 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 19:14:45 +0100 Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48IEfi24579 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 19:14:42 +0100 Received: from pd95065d0.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.80.101.208] by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175Vq3-0003z0-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 20:06:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:06:58 +0200 Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4b337a5d45C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> <4b337a5d45C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] > > I tried with both, Printers 1.64 and 1.90b4 and the PostScript > > Level 2 driver, but I always end up with Ovation Pro doing a > > "type=5 error" and taking the whole machine down. [snip] > I am using Select 4.29 and Printers 1.90b4 and always print to a > network postscript printer. Never had any trouble with any of the > Select releases. I've just done a few more tests: * printing the same file via Taborca (Demo) as PDF works * printing the same file as PostScript---but font Palazzo substituted with Trinity---works as well So, it appears to be a problem with PostScript and the Palazzo font. At present I'm not sure whether it's the Palazzo font itself or just any font which isn't mapped, but included as bitmap. Any ideas? Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page Waughning : Spel chekur knot wurking at phull kapacity -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 23:20:03 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165489 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 23:20:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020885913:20:11748:72; Wed, 08 May 2002 19:25:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011294; 8 May 2002 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48JVX724797 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:31:33 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48JVVi24794 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:31:31 +0100 Received: from [62.188.137.114] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175X1L-0004lB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 May 2002 20:22:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:17:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Expanding abbreviation! Message-ID: <4b334b1741steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> References: <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b3319bbacmarten@annerykiln.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > In article <913ff8324b%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin > Phillips wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > Recently my wife was typing up some family history research, using > > Ovation pro, and she entered the abbreviation "op" at the end of s > > sentence, and when she keyed the full stop the word changed to Ovation > > Pro. She was of course writing in lower-case. > > Can you tell me what is causing this to happen, and how do we cancel > > it? Presumably it is some way for expanding selected combinations of > > letters which might represent frequently used names or phrases? > It's an applet. > Open up !OPro (SHIFT DOUBLE CLICK) > Open Applets. > You've probably got the applet 'Abbreviations' or similarly named in > there. > To disable double click the Applet and a - (minus) sign should appear > after it. > QUIT OPro, and re-run it. Should then be disabled. > I don't know but there may be a mean of temporarily disabling it in the > Applets menu off the main menu (MENU button over OPro window). Why not edit the list of expansions instead? Then you can continue to use other (possibly useful) abbreviation-expansion sets. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 23:20:09 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165491 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 23:20:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020887960:20:27162:282; Wed, 08 May 2002 19:59:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028280; 8 May 2002 19:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48K6mK24944 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:06:48 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48K6ji24941 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:06:45 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020508195901.XQVI29981.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:59:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:58:46 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 08 May, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Hi! > > I just wanted to print something from Ovation Pro as PostScript file, > but I didn't succeed. > > I tried with both, Printers 1.64 and 1.90b4 and the PostScript Level 2 > driver, but I always end up with Ovation Pro doing a "type=5 error" and > taking the whole machine down. > > PostScript-printing from e.g. Draw works fine with the same printer > drivers. Printing the same file from Ovation Pro to my PCL printer > works fine as well. Just the PostScript one doesn't. > > BTW: This is with Select 4.29. > > Does anybody recognise this problem? Or does it work for others? Select 4.29, Printers 1.64a (always print to file and drag to lpr to print over the network), Kyocera PS pdf. Not seen that problem. What is the Next slot set to in Task Manager? Do you run any font manager? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 8 23:20:14 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165493 for opro ; Wed, 08 May 102 23:20:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020890151:20:16431:57; Wed, 08 May 2002 20:35:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121766; 8 May 2002 20:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48KgxR25079 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:42:59 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48Kgui25076 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:42:56 +0100 Received: from [62.188.137.135] (helo=62.188.137.135) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175Y8R-0006SS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 May 2002 21:34:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:00:39 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.34 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Fonts Message-Id: 2452402.80395roger.foden@argonet.co.uk In-Reply-To: <39fe89324b.eddonnelly@freeuk.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Lo, in message > D C Jones did write: > > > does anyone know > > > > a) Is there an Acorn version of the Gill Sans font? > > b) Where can I get it? Gyles Sans, the ISV version, is on the Ovation Pro CD, under OvationPro/zip.DavidPilling.Fonts So if you have Ovation Pro, you have Gyles Sans. There are/were, as I remember some problems with it; the path names became very long when the whole family was installed and errors were generated. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ Roger & Jacki Foden \ ) (^o\. /^\ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ | | /_ / |___| roger.foden@argonet.co.uk / \/ \/ \_ _/ jacki.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Walking or Botanising in Greece? sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 9 01:47:02 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165508 for opro ; Thu, 09 May 102 01:47:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020896281:20:18551:54; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:18:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103394; 8 May 2002 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48MOWr25326 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:24:32 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48MOUi25323 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:24:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 175Zjo-000OJh-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:16:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:43:02 GMT Message-Id: <165476@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In general PostScript printing works. It is the case that OP treats a PS printer differently to any other type. Alas most of the really nasty stuff goes on with bitmap printers, PS ones should be less likely to go wrong. If it is going to be an OP bug then its likely to depend on the precise details of the document. ISTR that one can mix up the components of !Printers and end up with something which will go wrong. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 9 01:47:11 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165512 for opro ; Thu, 09 May 102 01:47:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020897973:10:17116:53; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:46:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125806; 8 May 2002 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g48Mreh25440 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:53:41 +0100 Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48Mrci25437 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:53:38 +0100 Received: from pd90073ba.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.0.115.186] by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175aC0-000576-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 00:45:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 00:26:11 +0200 Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <4b339e4347sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Anthony Hilton wrote: [snip] > What is the Next slot set to in Task Manager? Do you run any font > manager? 4 MB. FontDir Pro. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page We have commited to quickly disseminate high-quality leadership skills and collaboratively restore low-risk high-yield meta-services to meet our customers needs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 9 13:15:09 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165525 for opro ; Thu, 09 May 102 13:15:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020943075:20:10906:58; Thu, 09 May 2002 11:17:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115909; 9 May 2002 11:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g49BOSN27135 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:24:28 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49BOPi27132 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:24:26 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-39-166.webport.bt.net [213.1.39.166]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g49BKpq30551 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:20:51 GMT Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 09:52:49 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <2ca2d7334b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> <4b337a5d45C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> you wrote: >[snip] > > I've just done a few more tests: > > * printing the same file via Taborca (Demo) as PDF works > > * printing the same file as PostScript---but font Palazzo substituted > with Trinity---works as well > > So, it appears to be a problem with PostScript and the Palazzo font. At > present I'm not sure whether it's the Palazzo font itself or just any > font which isn't mapped, but included as bitmap. > I have come across several instances in the past where outputting to PostScript has failed while printing in other ways works. Usually this is the result of a poorly defined font, sometimes an incorrect file name (e.g. 'Intemetrics' truncated) or a wrong file type applied to font definition files. The problem arises, I think, when the PostScript driver attempts to convert the RISC OS font definition into a PostScript Type 3 version, and fails. Fonts are never output in bit-mapped format. Either a Type 1 or Type 3 definition is embedded in the PostScript file (embedding) or it is assumed that the PostScript device has the relevant font available (mapping). Solution, if practical and you must use a particular font, is to set text in ArtWorks (or Draw), convert to path and import into document. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 9 13:15:16 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165527 for opro ; Thu, 09 May 102 13:15:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020944831:20:26588:83; Thu, 09 May 2002 11:47:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107703; 9 May 2002 11:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g49BrcG27317 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:53:38 +0100 Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49BrXi27314 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:53:34 +0100 Received: from pd90073ba.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.0.115.186] by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175mMb-0005lE-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 13:45:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:41:59 +0200 Subject: Re: PostScript printing problem Message-ID: <4b33e71f18sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <2ca2d7334b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <4b336f9d91sbellon@sbellon.de> <4b337a5d45C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> <2ca2d7334b.akalat@a User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mike Williams wrote: > In message <4b338687edsbellon@sbellon.de> you wrote: > > I've just done a few more tests: [snip] > > So, it appears to be a problem with PostScript and the Palazzo > > font. At present I'm not sure whether it's the Palazzo font itself > > or just any font which isn't mapped, but included as bitmap. > > > I have come across several instances in the past where outputting to > PostScript has failed while printing in other ways works. Usually > this is the result of a poorly defined font, sometimes an incorrect > file name (e.g. 'Intemetrics' truncated) or a wrong file type applied > to font definition files. The problem arises, I think, when the > PostScript driver attempts to convert the RISC OS font definition > into a PostScript Type 3 version, and fails. I've now tested with Palazzo, AvantGarde and Bookmaker, all of which make the Risc PC crash badly. Homerton and Trinity however work just fine. So, it really looks like it has got to do with the font name mapping and the consequences thereof. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page 1/1=1.089089789701234132 : It's close enough. (Intel 1994) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 9 14:51:48 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165554 for opro ; Thu, 09 May 102 14:51:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020946476:20:13310:58; Thu, 09 May 2002 12:14:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120425; 9 May 2002 12:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g49CJeG27452 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:19:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49CJci27449 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:19:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 175mls-000DIs-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 09 May 2002 13:11:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 02:58:50 GMT Message-Id: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.67 - News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.67 is now available for testing, from http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op267.zip Since this news has leaked out on csa, I thought I might as well tell you. That means the web site is back (www.davidpilling.net). I don't propose putting the demon version back at present. I suspect most people have used the demon site in the past since that is what the search engines listed. SparkFS 1.38 is on the web site. A few things have gone in the cause of presenting less of a target in the future. OP 2.67 is not a big deal, just a collection of bug fixes which have been done in the last year. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for oprolist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021234847:20:26405:231; Sun, 12 May 2002 20:20:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026804; 12 May 2002 20:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4CKTFi05102 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 21:29:15 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 176zpD-000AbZ-0C for owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 May 2002 20:20:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:06:51 +0100 Subject: Re: mail Message-ID: <4b35a0d9cdJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200205111342.g4BDg6h01651@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <200205111342.g4BDg6h01651@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Return-Receipt-To: Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain I just got this rather odd email from the owner of the OP list. Is there something wrong with the list software? On 11 May, wrote: > by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4B9usi01071 > for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:56:54 +0100 > Received: (qmail 12349 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 09:46:00 -0000 > Received: from userhc215.dsl.pipex.com (HELO peterjen) (62.190.210.215) > by smtp-3.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 09:46:00 -0000 > Message-ID: <003001c1f8d1$220e4b60$d7d2be3e@peterjen> > From: "Peter Jennings" > To: > References: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> > <4b340bcde8paul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> > Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.67 - News > Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:49:24 +0100 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > X-maillist:ovationpro > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P.R.J. Shayler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.67 - News > > > > I downloaded the zip file on my SA-RPC and tried to us SparkFS V1.29 > > to unzip it, SparkFS gave an error - bad archive. I then downloaded > > the file using my Toshiba PC Laptop and tried to unzip it with WinZip > > 8.1, this also indidcated a bad archive / corrupt file. > > > > Any one else have this problem? > > > Yes. I've downloaded it several times on my PC (as I normally do) and > have the same problem trying to open it on either my Risc PC or the > Windows one. > Peter > Peter Jennings > jennings@aaug.net -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021079281:20:16744:123; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:08:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102790; 11 May 2002 1:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4B1F1e32181 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 May 2002 02:15:01 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B1Exi32178 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 02:14:59 +0100 Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 176LLR-000NRe-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 May 2002 02:06:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P.R.J. Shayler" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 19:22:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.67 - News Message-ID: <4b340bcde8paul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 May, David Pilling wrote: > OvationPro 2.67 is now available for testing, from > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op267.zip I downloaded the zip file on my SA-RPC and tried to us SparkFS V1.29 to unzip it, SparkFS gave an error - bad archive. I then downloaded the file using my Toshiba PC Laptop and tried to unzip it with WinZip 8.1, this also indidcated a bad archive / corrupt file. Any one else have this problem? Paul S. -- I'm using a Risc PC (tm) with SA-110 StrongARM (tm) RISC processor and running RISC OS 4.02 (tm) Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org m3tsf@amsat.org g6tsf@arrl.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the messageReturn-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021114102:20:28579:86; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:48:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107361; 11 May 2002 10:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4BAspr01187 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 May 2002 11:54:51 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4BAsmi01184 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 11:54:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 1768 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 10:46:28 -0000 Received: from usercd76.uk.uudial.com (HELO aecv88.dial.pipex.com) (62.188.151.187) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 10:46:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Leo To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:51:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.67 - News Message-ID: <4b34e4af1bray.leo@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b340bcde8paul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> References: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b340bcde8paul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b340bcde8paul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk>, P.R.J. Shayler wrote: > On 09 May, David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.67 is now available for testing, from > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op267.zip > I downloaded the zip file on my SA-RPC and tried to us SparkFS V1.29 to > unzip it, SparkFS gave an error - bad archive. I then downloaded the > file using my Toshiba PC Laptop and tried to unzip it with WinZip 8.1, > this also indidcated a bad archive / corrupt file. > Any one else have this problem? > Paul S. Sorry, Paul, no problems here. Like you, I downloaded it on my SA-RPC, but I unzipped it using SparkFS 1.38 (I wouldn't expect this to have made the difference). Ray -- Ray Leo ray.leo@ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the messageReturn-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021411279:10:15021:1124; Tue, 14 May 2002 21:21:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024186; 14 May 2002 21:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4ELEYe11439 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 May 2002 22:14:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:14:34 +0100 From: >From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.67 - News Message-ID: References: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b340bcde8paul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b340bcde8paul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Cale, Wilts (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50test) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist:ovationpro In message <4b340bcde8paul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> "P.R.J. Shayler" wrote: > On 09 May, David Pilling wrote: > > > OvationPro 2.67 is now available for testing, from > > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op267.zip > > I downloaded the zip file on my SA-RPC and tried to us SparkFS V1.29 to > unzip it, SparkFS gave an error - bad archive. I then downloaded the file > using my Toshiba PC Laptop and tried to unzip it with WinZip 8.1, this also > indidcated a bad archive / corrupt file. > > Any one else have this problem? No. It downloaded fine for me. But when I do get a corrupt archive, I usually delete it from the cache and then all is well. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the messageReturn-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021052904:20:29559:56; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:48:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028401; 10 May 2002 17:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4AHr6R31106 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:53:06 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AHqVi31101 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:53:02 +0100 Received: from [62.64.209.58] (helo=ghc) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 176ER2-0007ih-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:44:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:38:58 +0100 Subject: PageSize - new applet and Script StrongHelp manual Message-ID: <4b348ba3ccgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro To coincide with the release of Ovation Pro 2.67, I have released a new applet and updated the StrongHelp Script Reference Guide. Both are available from: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html PageSize applet --------------- Allows new page sizes to be added to Ovation Pro's list of built-in sizes that are available from the New document and Page guidelines dialogue windows. Until now, Ovation Pro only offered a small number of pre-defined page sizes to be selected when creating a new document, namely A3, A4, A5, Letter, Legal and Tabloid. To create alternative sizes, the values had to be entered each time after choosing 'Other'. This applet allows that list to be extended with custom page sizes, so your favourite page sizes can be easily selected from the 'New document' window or the 'Page guidelines' window. Full instructions are included as an Ovation Pro document, and it would be wise to read through it (at least a quick glance), but the applet can be installed and 'played with' without any disastrous effects to OPro (usual disclaimers apply!). In other words, if you delete or edit the existing OPro page sizes from the list, OPro will return to normal if the applet is removed. So have a play, and as usual, let me know any thoughts, comments, problems, etc. ----------------------------------------------------------- OvnPro - StrongHelp Script Reference Guide. (V1.04) An updated version is now available (from URL above) that lists the new and changed functions introduced in Ovation Pro 2.67. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the messageReturn-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021057794:10:22180:56; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:09:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111421; 10 May 2002 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4AJHGF31345 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:17:16 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AJHEi31342 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:17:14 +0100 Received: from [62.64.209.58] (helo=ghc) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 176Fl7-000K1g-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:08:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:08:00 +0100 Subject: Re: PageSize - new applet and Script StrongHelp manual Message-ID: <4b3493ca49gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b348ba3ccgav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4b348ba3ccgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > PageSize applet > --------------- > Allows new page sizes to be added to Ovation Pro's list of built-in > sizes that are available from the New document and Page guidelines > dialogue windows. Sorry, forgot to mention that this applet will only work with Ovation Pro 2.67 (or later) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the messageReturn-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021234829:20:26405:128; Sun, 12 May 2002 20:20:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026268; 12 May 2002 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4CKPVw05078 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 May 2002 21:25:31 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4CKPRi05075 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 21:25:29 +0100 Received: from [62.188.144.230] (helo=62.188.144.230) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176zkf-0003qm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 May 2002 21:15:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr B Kirk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:17:14 +0100 Subject: Re: SparkFS 1.38 Message-ID: <4b35a1ccf5bkirk@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: 2452406.135175tedell@argonet.co.uk References: <4b34e92c8eray.leo@ukgateway.net> 2452406.135175tedell@argonet.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 11 May, Ted Lacey wrote: > No problems with OP267 using !SparkPlug to extract. > Ted Lacey Can't understand what all the flap is about. I followed the instructions, received OP267 and SparkFS 1.38, everything works OK. Thank you very much David. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the messageReturn-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021082090:20:28482:59; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:54:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104382; 11 May 2002 1:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4B22co32338 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 May 2002 03:02:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B22ai32335 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 03:02:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 176M5X-0002ti-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 May 2002 02:54:23 +0100 Message-ID: <004601c1f88e$c5da3120$0100000a@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: Subject: SparkFS 1.38 Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 02:54:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Have just (19.20, 10 May) tried to get SFS 1.38, but when download is clicked >to upgrade from 1.37, SFS *1.37* (which I have) is all that is offerred. Is the >name wrong or the content Neither, it is the logical (to me) point of view that the file called 1.37 is what you use to upgrade 1.37 to 1.38 Due appologies for the mess that was made of your posting, but it bounced - going to be fun if I can't do better in future. It bounced because you posted from an address that isn't a member of the list. I made a mess of it because I'm using Outlook - my mail program of last resort. (I got ADSL today, and the net has not spread across the room to the Acorn yet). However ADSL does allow me to download the patch file, and it checks out OK. And there's no alternative site at the moment if something won't download OK for you... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the messageReturn-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021104651:20:09255:56; Sat, 11 May 2002 08:10:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104144; 11 May 2002 8:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4B8HRN00819 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 May 2002 09:17:27 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B8HOi00816 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 09:17:24 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 176RwB-00060a-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 May 2002 09:09:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 09:05:35 +0100 Subject: Re: SparkFS 1.38 Message-ID: <4b34dafb2eJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004601c1f88e$c5da3120$0100000a@mypc> References: <004601c1f88e$c5da3120$0100000a@mypc> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <004601c1f88e$c5da3120$0100000a@mypc>, David Pilling wrote: > Neither, it is the logical (to me) point of view that the file called > 1.37 is what you use to upgrade 1.37 to 1.38 Maybe it would be better named something like: "from137" then? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the messageReturn-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021114022:10:04966:65; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:47:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113082; 11 May 2002 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4BAsvx01192 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 May 2002 11:54:57 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4BAssi01189 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 11:54:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 1773 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 10:46:34 -0000 Received: from usercd76.uk.uudial.com (HELO aecv88.dial.pipex.com) (62.188.151.187) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 10:46:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Leo To: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:40:37 +0100 Subject: Re: SparkFS 1.38 Message-ID: <4b34e92c8eray.leo@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <004601c1f88e$c5da3120$0100000a@mypc> References: <004601c1f88e$c5da3120$0100000a@mypc> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <004601c1f88e$c5da3120$0100000a@mypc>, David Pilling wrote: > >Have just (19.20, 10 May) tried to get SFS 1.38, but when download is > >clicked to upgrade from 1.37, SFS *1.37* (which I have) is all that is > > offerred. Is the name wrong or the content I was about to post a similar observation. I found it confusing, but I proceeded to download and unzip the file anyway, and found that it was the upgrade to version 1.38. > Neither, it is the logical (to me) point of view that the file called > 1.37 is what you use to > upgrade 1.37 to 1.38 [Snip] But the latest Ovation Pro upgrade to 2.67 is named 'op267/zip'. Anyway, David, thanks for the continuing upgrades, whatever you choose to call them. Ray > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- Ray Leo ray.leo@ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the messageReturn-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021124039:20:23680:54; Sat, 11 May 2002 13:33:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125459; 11 May 2002 13:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4BDfVp01635 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 May 2002 14:41:31 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4BDfTi01632 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 14:41:29 +0100 Received: from [62.188.132.141] (helo=62.188.132.141) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176WyX-0007SB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 May 2002 14:31:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ted Lacey) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:51:07 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.34 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: SparkFS 1.38 Message-Id: 2452406.135175tedell@argonet.co.uk In-Reply-To: <4b34e92c8eray.leo@ukgateway.net> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro No problems with OP267 using !SparkPlug to extract. Ted Lacey -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Lacey - ZFC LXXX - RiscPC600 - StrongArmed tedell@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the messageReturn-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021321743:10:21858:80; Mon, 13 May 2002 20:29:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020873; 13 May 2002 20:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4DKZ9n08202 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:35:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DKZ7i08199 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:35:07 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 177MOf-000Dpn-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:26:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 20:28:12 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Thank you David! To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4b35a1ccf5bkirk@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David, Just a brief message to thank you for !Spark 1.38 and the OP2.27. Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind M. Share M.A. roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / LUpus Patients Understanding & Support |_| \___/ |___/ / http://www.lupus-support.org.uk LuPUS MB: http://www.lupus-forums.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 17 21:20:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021665423:10:16063:60".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 21:20:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021665423:10:16063:60; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:57:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016002; 17 May 2002 19:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4HK4CB20259 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 May 2002 21:04:12 +0100 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HK49i20256 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 21:04:09 +0100 Received: from sinnema.hetnet.nl ([195.18.85.23]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 17 May 2002 21:53:38 +0200 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> X-Sender: knjillis@pop.hetnet.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:56:46 +0200 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: "C. Sinnema" Subject: Problems with 2.67 In-Reply-To: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings everyone! I'm relatively new to Ovation Pro, and only bought it a couple of months ago. This is my maiden posting. The learning curve was not too steep. I had moments of despair when things didn't appear to go as easily as Impy Publisher, and of joy when things worked really easily. The main thing I missed was tables not being translated correctly by the RTF loader. I get a lot of text with tables. So I lost no time downloading the latest version, hoping that this would be fixed at long last. Since I upgraded, my Ovation conks out when I load any text, place the cursor anywhere, and press . I was given RO3.7 plus StrongArm recently by a friend who'd upgraded. The StrongArm caused problems, so I put the old processor back again. I cannot see why this would matter, though. Is anyone familiar with this problem? A second point: Is there a manual anywhere I can download? I mean, more recent than the one on the 2000 CD? Yours, Cor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 17 23:36:00 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021674674:11:20754:90".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:36:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021674674:11:20754:90; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:31:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121714; 17 May 2002 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4HMOpc20585 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:24:51 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HMOmi20582 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:24:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 178q09-000NxD-0a for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:15:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4wyCtMHPCY58EwF6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:13:35 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 References: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Since I upgraded, my Ovation conks out when I load any text, place the >cursor anywhere, and press . 'conks out' meaning? Its hard to say, have you any applets loaded? >I was given RO3.7 plus StrongArm recently by a friend who'd upgraded. >The StrongArm caused problems, so I put the old processor back again. I >cannot see why this would matter, though. SA should not cause trouble with OP. >A second point: Is there a manual anywhere I can download? I mean, more >recent than the one on the 2000 CD? No. The current CD comes with 2.66 and the manual current circa 12 months ago. There are not vast changes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat May 18 13:59:59 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021703668:20:14481:59".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:59:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021703668:20:14481:59; Sat, 18 May 2002 06:34:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113040; 18 May 2002 6:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4I6hlu21563 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 May 2002 07:43:47 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I6hji21560 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 07:43:45 +0100 Received: from [213.116.50.175] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 178xlK-00018k-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 May 2002 07:32:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 07:35:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 Message-ID: <4b386d91adsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> References: <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl>, C. Sinnema wrote: > A second point: Is there a manual anywhere I can download? I mean, more > recent than the one on the 2000 CD? You're now linked in to the biggest manual you could ever dream of. There's everyone from the amateur tinkerer (like me) to the professional publisher. First question is have you tried OvP loaded with *no* applets at all, and just a limited set of Transloaders active. TransRTF, TransDDF and TransIMP should do. Make sure you're running with the latest versions. !Info inside the Transloader will give the details. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 21 21:51:49 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021828505:10:12692:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:51:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021828505:10:12692:72; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:15:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012706; 19 May 2002 17:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4JHMHK25375 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 May 2002 18:22:17 +0100 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JHMEi25372 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 18:22:14 +0100 Received: from sinnema.hetnet.nl ([62.100.17.164]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 19 May 2002 19:11:20 +0200 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020519185256.00abe2d0@pop.hetnet.nl> X-Sender: knjillis@pop.hetnet.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 19:09:04 +0200 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: "C. Sinnema" Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 In-Reply-To: <4wyCtMHPCY58EwF6@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ha! The man himself! How gratifying At 23:13 17-05-02 +0100, you wrote: >>Since I upgraded, my Ovation conks out when I load any text, place the >>cursor anywhere, and press . > >'conks out' meaning? It goes belly-up and stiffs the machine. Only way out is . >Its hard to say, have you any applets loaded? I have, lots: !Abbrev, !Bookmark, !ColSupp, !Custom, !Document, !FancyDte, !Fluff, !Fog, !Fraction, !Grabber, !Hints, !Imposit, !JoinLine, !KSelect, !List, !Logger, !Ovrwrite, !PagePal, !SRWE, !Unique, !Version Your remark made me smell a rat, and I used the AppletManager to remove !Bulletfix (1.05). After that, I could insert the return character with no problem at all. Unfortunately, a little niggle remains. When I _start_ the line with a number, and finish it with return the result is a big freeze. I shall have a look at the other applets when I have the time. >>I was given RO3.7 plus StrongArm recently by a friend who'd upgraded. The >>StrongArm caused problems, so I put the old processor back again. I >>cannot see why this would matter, though. > >SA should not cause trouble with OP. Speaking of "op", the Abbreviation applet expands that to Ovation Pro. Not very handy when you write a Dutch-language text which contains the preposition "op" (= on or at) quite a few times. It had me puzzled for some time! Sorry for that red herring! >>A second point: Is there a manual anywhere I can download? I mean, more >>recent than the one on the 2000 CD? > >No. The current CD comes with 2.66 and the manual current circa 12 months >ago. There are not vast changes. I see. :( Thanks anyway David. And keep up the Good Work! Yours, Cor Sinnema -- mailto: corsinnema@hetnet.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 21 21:51:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021854557:10:26163:66".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:51:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021854557:10:26163:66; Mon, 20 May 2002 00:29:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105606; 20 May 2002 0:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4K0cZJ26533 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 May 2002 01:38:35 +0100 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K0cWi26530 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 01:38:32 +0100 Received: from sinnema.hetnet.nl ([62.100.22.22]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 20 May 2002 02:27:35 +0200 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020520015738.00aff560@pop.hetnet.nl> X-Sender: knjillis@pop.hetnet.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 02:03:54 +0200 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: "C. Sinnema" Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry to follow my own posting. As Barbara Ann Seery was quick to point out, it's the !List applet that causes the problem. Removing it made the problem go away completely. Thanks a lot to everybody that responded. I'll try to contribute my mite (might?) when I can! Happy hols, Cor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 21 21:51:50 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1021860512:10:24470:56".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:51:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1021860512:10:24470:56; Mon, 20 May 2002 02:08:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024437; 20 May 2002 2:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4K2IMo26992 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 May 2002 03:18:22 +0100 Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K2IIi26989 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 03:18:19 +0100 Received: from 53-1-211.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.66.211] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 179cag-0002E4-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:08:02 +0900 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:58:51 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020519185256.00abe2d0@pop.hetnet.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 19 May, C. Sinnema wrote: > > Speaking of "op", the Abbreviation applet expands that to Ovation Pro. Not > very handy when you write a Dutch-language text which contains the > preposition "op" (= on or at) quite a few times. It had me puzzled for some > time! But presumably you've now edited the abbreviations list so it doesn't. > > Cor Sinnema Ian P. -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 21 22:21:34 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022015590:20:17894:83".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 22:21:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022015590:20:17894:83; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:13:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018224; 21 May 2002 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4LLJit32527 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 May 2002 22:19:44 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LLJei32524 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 22:19:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17AGsN-000FaR-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 May 2002 22:09:00 +0100 Message-ID: <$yBjdoCMcr68EwsQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:07:24 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> <165517@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20020517213348.00bead60@pop.hetnet.nl> <4wyCtMHPCY58EwF6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20020519185256.00abe2d0@pop.hetnet.nl> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020519185256.00abe2d0@pop.hetnet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It goes belly-up and stiffs the machine. Only way out is . The one thing worth saying is that control+escape terminates a running OP script. Can be useful to determine between a script stuck in a loop, and the entire program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 22 14:05:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022072418:10:18959:114".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:05:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022072418:10:18959:114; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:00:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019819; 22 May 2002 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4MD9b302323 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:09:37 +0100 Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MD9Xi02320 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:09:34 +0100 Received: from 54-1-76-169.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.76.169] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 17AVhZ-00012e-00 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 21:58:49 +0900 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:18:24 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <$yBjdoCMcr68EwsQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 21 May, David Pilling wrote: > > >It goes belly-up and stiffs the machine. Only way out is . > > The one thing worth saying is that control+escape terminates a running > OP script. Can be useful to determine between a script stuck in a loop, > and > the entire program. > David Pilling I'm having to do this a lot with v2.67 and a lot of applets. I suppose it's one of them, but I don't know which. Ian -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 22 14:20:47 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022073251:10:14452:58".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:20:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022073251:10:14452:58; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:14:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014258; 22 May 2002 13:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4MDNq602401 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:23:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MDNoi02398 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:23:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17AVvM-000EzY-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:13:05 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:11:53 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Problems with 2.67 References: <$yBjdoCMcr68EwsQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm having to do this a lot with v2.67 and a lot of applets. I suppose >it's one of them, but I don't know which. Wouldn't it be nice if OP told you which one you'd stopped... Yes, but its not trivial to program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 22 17:06:08 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022083201:20:26759:100".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 17:06:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022083201:20:26759:100; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:00:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027817; 22 May 2002 15:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4MG2ko02862 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 May 2002 17:02:46 +0100 Received: from mail8.svr.pol.co.uk (mail8.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.213]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MG2hi02859 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 17:02:43 +0100 Received: from modem-3004.tiger.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.219.188] helo=riscpc) by mail8.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17AYP8-00077B-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:51:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:49:39 +0100 From: Alan Adams Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Errors loading images MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've had a number of self-inflicted problems when loading documents with referenced images. As I recall the problems, and symptoms are: Image has been moved: OPro loads document in tiny, non-resizable window. Just enough window to save as DDL fortunately, so the reference can be edited. Image has been squashed: OPro quits with either Type=5 or "Abort on ..." (same image, different versions of the document). Only solution was to guess which image was the problem, find it, and unsquash it. Fortunately there was only one. Would it be possible to do some checking on referenced images, and display the image path before handling it a bit better? (I'm using OPro V2.60 - is it better in later versions?) -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 23 13:45:33 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022155441:20:19816:65".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:45:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022155441:20:19816:65; Thu, 23 May 2002 12:04:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100904; 23 May 2002 12:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4NBrG305349 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 May 2002 12:53:16 +0100 Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NBrBi05346 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 12:53:12 +0100 Received: from hh6217.hh.man.ac.uk ([130.88.186.217] helo=thomas) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 17Aqyt-000Okf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 May 2002 12:42:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:40:40 +0100 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Errors loading images Message-ID: <15b41c3b4b%mad_cow@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (01 Feb 2002) [TEST 9], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 X-Scanner: exiscan *17Aqyt-000Okf-00*MXJF56zJ4c.* (Manchester Computing, University of Manchester) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams 's neurons contrived to inscribe: > I've had a number of self-inflicted problems when loading documents with > referenced images. As I recall the problems, and symptoms are: > > Image has been moved: OPro loads document in tiny, non-resizable window. > Just enough window to save as DDL fortunately, so the reference can be > edited. > An easier way of fixing this is to turn images off in the View menu then fix the reference from the picture menu. Mark. [snip] -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://madsoft.cjb.net ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >> A vivid and creative mind characterizes you. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 28 23:45:01 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022624154:20:21702:72".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:45:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022624154:20:21702:72; Tue, 28 May 2002 22:15:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118833; 28 May 2002 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4SMPgk26365 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:25:42 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SMPZi26358 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:25:39 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020528221328.XULF28297.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:13:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:38:19 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Im*ster and OPro To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OPro 2.66, Scanning software 1.14, Twain driver with Mustek 600S (SCSI) scanner. Printers 1.64a, Kyocera FS-800 PostScript driver supplied by Explan. I have a photo I've scanned to print filling most of an A4 page in Opro (scaled to 190% of original). Saved from Scanning software as either JPEG or Sprite I get some strange blocks in some shaddow areas (definite rectangular blocks darker than the rest of the print) - fewer from the sprite, but in the same places as some in the JPEG. Saved as EPS from Scanning software (pleasant surprise to see a lower-resolution preview) no artefacts though the file size suggests it is a JPEG wrapped up in EPS. Sprite - 7Mb, Tiff - 5Mb, JPEG - 258Kb, EPS - 385Kb. Is this to be expected? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 28 23:45:02 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022624154:20:20420:158".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:45:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022624154:20:20420:158; Tue, 28 May 2002 22:15:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118758; 28 May 2002 22:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4SMPhZ26366 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:25:43 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SMPei26362 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:25:40 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020528221333.XUMP28297.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:13:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:55:29 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: mixed page sizes To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Our monthly church magazine is A5 portrait, produced in OPro. This month we want an A4 landscape page for the centre spread because it takes a full-spread picture. The text flows from page 9 to page 12 with 10 and 11 blank for the photo (so I cannot use a different chapters!). I have just put empty frames over the Master frames on pages 10 and 11 and made a new document for the centre spread. This will be OK (I hope) for photocopying as I can supply pamphlet print-out and substitute the sheet from the second document for the otherwise blank pages 10-11. I say I Hope because the printers prefer A4 originals which they reduce on the copier to the A5 pages - they have worked with printers pairs from pamphlet print in the past. But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? (My usual routine is print Postscript to file (set to A5 portrait paper size) and use !ps2pdf as a front-end to Ghostscript. I'm thinking in terms of possibly using Galley print, splicing in the postscript for the centre spread before converting to PDF. I'll probably need to define a paper size which doesn't rotate the output for A4 landscape - or may I be able to hack the postscript to sort that out? Suggestions please. I've also posted this to the ghostscript list. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 28 23:45:04 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022412346:10:11939:1901".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 23:45:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022412346:10:11939:1901; Sun, 26 May 2002 11:25:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1107091; 26 May 2002 11:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4QBQcJ13583 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 May 2002 12:26:38 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4QBQZi13580 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 12:26:35 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17BvzI-000FJ7-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 26 May 2002 12:15:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 12:14:27 +0100 Subject: Printing an existing file Message-ID: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Suppose I generate an OP DDL file in some other program, and I then want to print it. I know that I can do: *wimptask @PrintType_B25 filename and that, provided OP has been seen and the @PrintType_B25 variable has a value this will run OP and tell it to print the file. But what exactly will happen? How do I specify all the parameters that a user would normally set via the print dialog boxes? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 02:59:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022637590:20:23753:143".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:59:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022637590:20:23753:143; Wed, 29 May 2002 01:59:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115591; 29 May 2002 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4T2BI526909 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:11:18 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T2BGi26906 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:11:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Csk0-0009F6-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:59:08 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 02:57:49 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Im*ster and OPro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have a photo I've scanned to print filling most of an A4 page in Opro >(scaled to 190% of original). Saved from as either JPEG or Sprite >I get some strange blocks in some shaddow areas (definite rectangular blocks >darker than the rest of the print) - fewer from the sprite, but in the same >places as some in the JPEG. Saved as EPS from (pleasant surprise >to see a lower-resolution preview) no artefacts though the file size suggests >it is a JPEG wrapped up in EPS. Sprite - 7Mb, Tiff - 5Mb, JPEG - 258Kb, EPS - >385Kb. Could you drop the references to the scanning program, I'm still being pursued... One idea that springs to mind is display artefacts. Unless you display a bit map with one screen pixel for one image pixel you're likely to get aliasing effects. I've often seen blocks appear as I scale an image bigger and smaller. I'd only really worry if it doesn't look right when printed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 03:14:53 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022637796:10:13454:62".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:14:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022637796:10:13454:62; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:03:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1103390; 29 May 2002 2:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4T2Dx826944 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:13:59 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T2Dvi26939 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:13:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Csma-0009Yn-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:01:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 03:00:32 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Printing an existing file References: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But what exactly will happen? How do I specify all the parameters that a >user would normally set via the print dialog boxes? They're saved with the document. The print window has a 'set' button, all print options should then be saved. Its got to work this way because sometimes when you click on print, the printer will be busy and the document will be queued (i.e. saved for later printing). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 14:55:17 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022664400:20:05401:142".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 14:55:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022664400:20:05401:142; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:26:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115881; 29 May 2002 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4T9LP827853 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:21:25 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T9LMi27850 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:21:23 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust38.tnt35.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.164.38] with SMTP for id LAA07416 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 29 May 2002 11:07:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: mixed page sizes Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:11:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 28 May, Anthony Hilton wrote: > This will be OK (I hope) for photocopying as I can supply pamphlet > print-out and substitute the sheet from the second document for the > otherwise blank pages 10-11. I say I Hope because the printers prefer A4 > originals which they reduce on the copier to the A5 pages - they have > worked with printers pairs from pamphlet print in the past. > > But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? When you use the PostScript printer menu option "Append to file" in "Connections" and save the icon for the output file to disc, you can combine many different formats from many different sources in ONE PostScript file and distill a pdf from this PostScript file. As far as I have seen, only Publisher always wants to start a new PostScript file. Makes sure "Append to file" is already ON for the first print (that is, when you save the output file to disc). So in your case you can print page 1-9 from OP in A5 portrait, 10-11 as a landscape A4 from <...>, print 12 .. again from OP. mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 14:55:19 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022663440:10:14355:57".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 14:55:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022663440:10:14355:57; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:10:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1125621; 29 May 2002 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4T9CUm27807 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:12:30 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T9CRi27803 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:12:27 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-14-115.webport.bt.net [213.1.14.115]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g4T9wdV19307 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:58:40 GMT Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:59:58 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: mixed page sizes Message-ID: <9a01253e4b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Our monthly church magazine is A5 portrait, produced in OPro. > > This month we want an A4 landscape page for the centre spread because it > takes a full-spread picture. The text flows from page 9 to page 12 with 10 > and 11 blank for the photo (so I cannot use a different chapters!). I have > just put empty frames over the Master frames on pages 10 and 11 and made a > new document for the centre spread. > > This will be OK (I hope) for photocopying as I can supply pamphlet print-out > and substitute the sheet from the second document for the otherwise blank > pages 10-11. I say I Hope because the printers prefer A4 originals which they > reduce on the copier to the A5 pages - they have worked with printers pairs > from pamphlet print in the past. > > But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? (My usual > routine is print Postscript to file (set to A5 portrait paper size) and use > !ps2pdf as a front-end to Ghostscript. I'm thinking in terms of possibly > using Galley print, splicing in the postscript for the centre spread before > converting to PDF. I'll probably need to define a paper size which doesn't > rotate the output for A4 landscape - or may I be able to hack the postscript > to sort that out? > > Suggestions please. > For the centre spread simply place frames on each of the two facing pages. Import the graphic into both frames (I would use by Reference) and scale and position the image to get two matching halves (use the info palette to get precise alignement). No output whole document to PostScript using Thumbnails and when converted to PDF you should see facing pages as pairs (readers' spreads) except for first and last which should be single pages. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 16:25:10 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022685209:10:26200:137".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:25:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022685209:10:26200:137; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:13:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122704; 29 May 2002 15:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TFOZE28784 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:24:35 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TFOWi28781 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:24:32 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17D56t-0004J3-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:11:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:36:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Printing an existing file Message-ID: <4b3e43c833Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Pilling wrote: > >But what exactly will happen? How do I specify all the parameters > >that a user would normally set via the print dialog boxes? > They're saved with the document. The print window has a 'set' button, > all print options should then be saved. > Its got to work this way because sometimes when you click on print, the > printer will be busy and the document will be queued (i.e. saved for > later printing). Are *all* of the relevant parms in DDL files? If not, is there a way to load a DDL doc into OP, then run a applet which could - say - read a list of print options from a file and set them and issue a print request? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 16:40:03 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022686773:10:05145:174".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:40:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022686773:10:05145:174; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:39:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102745; 29 May 2002 15:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TFOho28789 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:24:43 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TFOei28786 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:24:40 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17D579-0004J3-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:11:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:40:24 +0100 Subject: Re: mixed page sizes Message-ID: <4b3e442c69Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? > When you use the PostScript printer menu option "Append to file" in > "Connections" ... Does this not mean that the file ends up containing all of the prolog (and perhaps epilog stuff if there is any) that the PS driver writes out, several times. And does that matter? If it doesn't then the same effect can presumably be got simply by writing to separate files then concatenating them? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 18:09:41 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022692012:10:05394:171".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:09:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022692012:10:05394:171; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:06:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121163; 29 May 2002 17:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4THDCI29180 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:13:12 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4THD9i29177 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:13:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17D6of-000APA-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:00:53 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:59:49 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Printing an existing file References: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b3e43c833Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b3e43c833Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Are *all* of the relevant parms in DDL files? If not, is there a way to >load a DDL doc into OP, then run a applet which could - say - read a list >of print options from a file and set them and issue a print request? Sorry I too my eyes off the ball there. You are of course talking about DDL. ISTR DDL files contain no print options at all. In that case they should be taken from the default document. DDL was always supposed to be just the document and not the view, although I've had to recently extend it for document preferences. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 19:54:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022697820:20:01371:128".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:54:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022697820:20:01371:128; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:43:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002320; 29 May 2002 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TIsli29436 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:54:47 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TIsii29433 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:54:44 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020529184226.KUUH19225.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:42:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:42:26 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Im*ster and OPro To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > >I have a photo I've scanned to print filling most of an A4 page in Opro > >(scaled to 190% of original). Saved from as either JPEG or Sprite > >I get some strange blocks in some shaddow areas (definite rectangular > >blocks darker than the rest of the print) - fewer from the sprite, but in > >the same places as some in the JPEG. Saved as EPS from (pleasant surprise > >to see a lower-resolution preview) no artefacts though the file size > >suggests it is a JPEG wrapped up in EPS. Sprite - 7Mb, Tiff - 5Mb, JPEG - > >258Kb, EPS - 385Kb. > > Could you drop the references to the scanning program, I'm still being > pursued... That was why I chose the sh=ubject line I did. > One idea that springs to mind is display artefacts. Unless you display a > bit map with one screen pixel for one image pixel you're likely to get > aliasing effects. > I've often seen blocks appear as I scale an image bigger and smaller. > I'd only really worry if it doesn't look right when printed. It was the printed versions where I saw it, not on screen. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 19:54:43 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022697921:20:06251:68".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:54:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022697921:20:06251:68; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:45:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006344; 29 May 2002 18:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TIvMd29470 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:57:22 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TIvJi29466 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:57:19 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020529184501.KXCI19225.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:45:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:45:01 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: mixed page sizes To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 May, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Tue 28 May, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > This will be OK (I hope) for photocopying as I can supply pamphlet > > print-out and substitute the sheet from the second document for the > > otherwise blank pages 10-11. I say I Hope because the printers prefer A4 > > originals which they reduce on the copier to the A5 pages - they have > > worked with printers pairs from pamphlet print in the past. > > > > But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? > > When you use the PostScript printer menu option "Append to file" in > "Connections" and save the icon for the output file to disc, you can > combine many different formats from many different sources in ONE > PostScript file and distill a pdf from this PostScript file. > > As far as I have seen, only Publisher always wants to start a new > PostScript file. > > Makes sure "Append to file" is already ON for the first print (that is, > when you save the output file to disc). So in your case you can print page > 1-9 from OP in A5 portrait, 10-11 as a landscape A4 from <...>, print 12 .. > again from OP. Thank you for the suggestion Tonnie - both files are printed from OPro as there is a legend to the photo and folios in the correct position as the rest of the docuent. I'll try it tomorrow. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 19:54:44 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022698098:10:07845:69".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:54:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022698098:10:07845:69; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:48:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007414; 29 May 2002 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TIxtC29552 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:59:55 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TIxqi29549 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:59:53 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020529184735.KZDR19225.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:47:35 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:47:34 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: mixed page sizes To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <9a01253e4b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 May, Mike Williams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > Our monthly church magazine is A5 portrait, produced in OPro. > > > > This month we want an A4 landscape page for the centre spread because it > > takes a full-spread picture. The text flows from page 9 to page 12 with > > 10 and 11 blank for the photo (so I cannot use a different chapters!). I > > have just put empty frames over the Master frames on pages 10 and 11 and > > made a new document for the centre spread. > > > > Suggestions please. > > > For the centre spread simply place frames on each of the two facing > pages. Import the graphic into both frames (I would use by Reference) > and scale and position the image to get two matching halves (use the > info palette to get precise alignement). > > No output whole document to PostScript using Thumbnails and when > converted to PDF you should see facing pages as pairs (readers' > spreads) except for first and last which should be single pages. Thanks for the idea Mike - I'd been thinking too much in terms of print even for the PDF. I'll try this tomorrow. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed May 29 21:39:45 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022704318:10:29517:162".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:39:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022704318:10:29517:162; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:31:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000663; 29 May 2002 20:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4TKhXv29932 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:43:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TKhVi29929 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:43:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17DA6D-000MRz-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:31:13 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:30:10 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Im*ster and OPro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It was the printed versions where I saw it, not on screen. Oh. That's the first time I've heard such a suggestion. You seem to say EPS is OK and sprite is worse and JPEG is worse still. One could interpret that as the printer being better at scaling postscript than bitmaps. The argument against that is that RISC OS probably sticks the whole bitmap in the output PS file and lets the printer scale it anyway. Closer to home, I guess an EPS file is not subject to certain parts of OP e.g. the image processing facilities. I guess you might try printing the same images from Draw as a test to see where the problem is. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 30 13:32:06 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022749615:10:23551:136".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 13:32:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022749615:10:23551:136; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:06:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115140; 30 May 2002 9:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4U9GQl31462 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:16:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U9GNi31459 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:16:23 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17DLqe-0002w1-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:03:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:16:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Printing an existing file Message-ID: <4b3e5d6c33Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b3e43c833Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Pilling wrote: > ISTR DDL files contain no print options at all. In that case they > should be taken from the default document. So could/would the applet approach work? If I do the *wimptask @PrintType_B25 filename call, I presume I could have a specific applet that gets runs when OP loads the file? Or would the -print flag on the command remove that level of control? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu May 30 21:07:22 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022787711:10:25636:63".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:07:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022787711:10:25636:63; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:41:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123216; 30 May 2002 19:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4UJrFb00755 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 May 2002 20:53:15 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UJrDi00752 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 20:53:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17DVmr-000Bib-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 May 2002 20:40:41 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:39:16 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: Re: Printing an existing file References: <4b3ca5cfb0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b3e43c833Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4b3e5d6c33Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b3e5d6c33Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I do the *wimptask @PrintType_B25 filename call, I presume I >could have a specific applet that gets runs when OP loads the file? When the document is loaded (to be printed) the usual file loaded events will be generated, and you could intercept them to do whatever you want to. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 31 17:34:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022851180:20:15631:140".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:34:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022851180:20:15631:140; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:19:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120575; 31 May 2002 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4VDSiX21073 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:28:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:28:44 +0100 From: Message-Id: <200205311328.g4VDSiX21073@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Received: from server0051.freedom2surf.net (server0051.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VAhoi20610 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:43:50 +0100 Received: from riscpc01 ([194.106.52.185]) by server0051.freedom2surf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA02682 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:30:15 GMT Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:31:29 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Help with re-install Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (Newsbase/0.70) (RISC-OS/4.29) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.70-beta-2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist:ovationpro I have just upgraded my fixed drive, and am attempting to get OvPro reinstalled. I install from the 2.46 distribution and upgrade in two steps - to 2.51 and then 2.52. >From that point I should be able to use any of the 2.54, 2.55, 2.56, 2.57 or 2.58 upgraders. That works fine for everything except the 2.58 upgrader, which is the latest I have. Using the 2.58 upgrader results in the error message 'Input data exhausted'. I'm sure that I had been running v2.58 before changing the disc drive - what am I doing wrong? Perhaps this is the prompt to upgrade to 2.60 and beyond! -- Peter Bell - peter@bellfamily.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 31 17:49:07 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022863472:20:26652:103".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:49:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022863472:20:26652:103; Fri, 31 May 2002 16:44:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127753; 31 May 2002 16:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4VGsq121634 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:54:52 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VGsoi21631 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:54:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17DpTb-000LGS-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:42:07 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:40:28 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: David Pilling Subject: re: help with re-install References: <200205311328.g4VDSiX21073@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200205311328.g4VDSiX21073@omega.barnet.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Using the 2.58 upgrader results in the error message 'Input data >exhausted'. I don't have much idea, I didn't write that code. Obvious guesses are either the patching program is corrupt (or truncated) or what you are patching is not what the patch is designed for. Seems like I've made a mess of bouncing your email back to the list - no subject and the wrong return address. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri May 31 21:04:11 2002 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <"pilling.1022874600:10:08724:1785".pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:04:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1022874600:10:08724:1785; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:50:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009164; 31 May 2002 19:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g4VJjN722041 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:45:23 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VJjKi22038 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:45:20 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020531193236.OICN2755.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:32:36 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:32:36 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: mixed page sizes To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <4b3e442c69Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 May, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <004f01c206f0$983e4290$4d01a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > > But how can I make a single composite PDF to put on the web? > > > When you use the PostScript printer menu option "Append to file" in > > "Connections" ... > > Does this not mean that the file ends up containing all of the prolog > (and perhaps epilog stuff if there is any) that the PS driver writes out, > several times. And does that matter? Yes, including embedded fonts for each print job - the PS output file was about 1Mb bigger for the 3-part print job compared with the one I hacked together (9Mb compared with 8Mb including jpegs). Doesn't seem to matter as the PDF is only 518Kb, and from the appended print file does what I want. The version I hacked together created a 10 page pdf instead of 21 pages - only the first part was included. I had thought this wasn't working as viewing the PS file with !Gview and Ghostscript displayed all pages at A5, cropping the one which should be A4 in the middle. The PDF is exactly as I wanted - many thanks for the suggestion Tonnie. > If it doesn't then the same effect can presumably be got simply by > writing to separate files then concatenating them? Probably, even the Ctrl-D at the end of each input file was included. I'll be putting the PDF on the website later tonight (http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/mag.htm follow the link to 200.pdf if you're interested). Mike Williams' suggestion is, of course, required if the picture is to span 2 pages not in the centre spread and to be printed (or photocopied). Thanks for the suggestion Mike. I also tried printing Galley, but the blank half-sheets for covers and first & last pages are less satisfactory. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message