From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 2 20:59:08 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163803 for opro ; Tue, 02 Apr 102 20:59:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017530057:10:19730:56; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:14:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117496; 30 Mar 2002 23:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2UNECJ02953 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:14:12 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2UNE4i02950 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:14:09 GMT Received: (qmail 11800 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 23:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.241) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 23:10:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:54:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: News To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 30 Mar, Matthew Hambley wrote: > > Image Mill & Page Mill ? > I think the latter is in use for web-page generating software on Windows (and possibly Mac) Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 2 20:59:20 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163809 for opro ; Tue, 02 Apr 102 20:59:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017538115:20:06323:59; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 01:28:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006089; 31 Mar 2002 1:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2V1VFD03485 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:31:15 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2V1VDi03482 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:31:13 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16rU87-0007ek-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 01:27:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:27:26 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <4b1f994163john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <163662@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Matthew Hambley wrote: > In message <163662@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David > Pilling) wrote: > [snip] > > There's a tale that all projects whose names begin with X end in > > disaster. Xbox? > There was a video game manufacturer which did very badly to start off > with. The soon realised that their name had far to many letters from > near the end of the alphabet in it. No one could remember it. So they > changed it to "Atari" and started making money hand over fist. I'm afraid David is likely to have problems marketing his program under that name Abba Image. ;-) -- John Cartmell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 2 20:59:27 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163813 for opro ; Tue, 02 Apr 102 20:59:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017555313:10:05222:56; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 06:15:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109971; 31 Mar 2002 6:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g2V6HwK04071 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:17:58 +0100 Received: from ns.cityscape.co.uk (ns.cityscape.co.uk [194.159.0.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2V6Hti04068 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:17:55 +0100 Received: from angel2.cityscape.co.uk ([194.159.0.17]) by ns.cityscape.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16rYfP-000784-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:18:15 +0100 Received: from ek24 (helo=localhost) by angel2.cityscape.co.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16rYln-0005LC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:24:51 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:24:51 +0100 (BST) From: "derek.barber" X-Sender: ek24@angel2.cityscape.co.uk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News In-Reply-To: <4b1f994163john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello David, May I suggest:- Omage and Ivation Best Regards, Derek Barber -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 2 21:00:50 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163856 for opro ; Tue, 02 Apr 102 21:00:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017708570:10:18789:56; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 00:49:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018511; 2 Apr 2002 0:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g320mSL08706 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 01:48:28 +0100 Received: from siaag2ae.compuserve.com (siaag2ae.compuserve.com [149.174.40.135]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g320mPi08703 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 01:48:25 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id TAA21484 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:44:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:43:43 -0500 From: Nobilangelo Subject: Re: News To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <200204011944_MC3-F827-CD45@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g320mQi08704 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Looking at the icon, `Ovation Quill' seems to suggest itself. It also contains a `k' sound, which according to George Eastman is always a winner in the human brain (he therefore dreamed up the word `Kodak' and proved his point). -- Nobilangelo. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 2 21:01:00 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163861 for opro ; Tue, 02 Apr 102 21:00:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017738495:10:01432:77; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:08:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126578; 2 Apr 2002 9:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g329AqY09683 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:10:52 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g329Ani09680 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:10:49 +0100 Received: from gwen ([213.104.167.184]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020402090641.HGAA286.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:06:41 +0100 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: News Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:01:43 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200204011944_MC3-F827-CD45@compuserve.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > It also contains a `k' sound, which according to George Eastman > is always a winner in the human brain (he therefore dreamed up > the word `Kodak' and proved his point). Ooh, I've got a hat trick! Sorry, topic divergence - I'd better contribute something useful: http://www.uspto.gov/ is the US patents and trademarks office, from where you can do boolean searches to find who's registered which words over there. TTFN, Nick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 2 21:01:19 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163872 for opro ; Tue, 02 Apr 102 21:01:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017764827:10:15642:64; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:27:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109058; 2 Apr 2002 16:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g32GT7N10634 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:29:07 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g32GT5i10631 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:29:05 +0100 Received: from [62.188.150.46] (helo=62.188.150.46) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16sR61-00084K-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:25:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:04:28 +0100 Subject: Ovation Pro and Eureka. Message-ID: <4b20f138d2pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Did I dream it, or is there a way of putting Eureka sheets in ImpOLE format into an OPro document? I am sure I have done this in the past, but I can't find how to do it now. I know it can be done by saving from Eureka as a drawfile, but the possibility of being able to OLE it are appealing. TIA, Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 2 21:01:22 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163874 for opro ; Tue, 02 Apr 102 21:01:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017767604:10:00914:169; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:13:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001846; 2 Apr 2002 17:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g32HGSi10820 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:16:28 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g32HGPi10817 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:16:26 +0100 Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16sRpN-000IVG-0Z for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:12:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:08:35 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and Eureka. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4b20f138d2pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Apr, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > > Did I dream it, or is there a way of putting Eureka sheets in ImpOLE > format into an OPro document? I am sure I have done this in the past, but > I can't find how to do it now. > > I know it can be done by saving from Eureka as a drawfile, but the > possibility of being able to OLE it are appealing. > > TIA, > > Best wishes, > > Peter. Save as 'Impression OLE' John -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 2 21:01:31 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163878 for opro ; Tue, 02 Apr 102 21:01:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017769094:10:19413:65; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018905; 2 Apr 2002 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g32Heo010939 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:40:50 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.112.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g32Heli10936 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:40:47 +0100 Received: from [62.64.219.160] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16sSCj-00019l-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:36:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:36:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and Eureka. Message-ID: <4b20f9a8d8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b20f138d2pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b20f138d2pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b20f138d2pnyoung@argonet.co.uk>, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > Did I dream it, or is there a way of putting Eureka sheets in ImpOLE > format into an OPro document? I am sure I have done this in the past, but > I can't find how to do it now. > I know it can be done by saving from Eureka as a drawfile, but the > possibility of being able to OLE it are appealing. > TIA, > Best wishes, > Peter. Peter, Select the bit O' sheet you want. Save out of Eureka as Imp OLE (last "Save as" menu option) with "Limit to Selection" ticked. Create a frame in OvPro and drop the File in it. If you want to modify the data in the OvPro document... Do... CTRL Double click over the sheet frame in OvPro and it'll be OLEd back to Eureka for mods. After any modifications made, do F3 to put it back into the OvPro document. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 2 21:01:32 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163879 for opro ; Tue, 02 Apr 102 21:01:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017780107:20:12184:152; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:41:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012989; 2 Apr 2002 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g32KiXm11509 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:44:33 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.112.73]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g32KiVi11506 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:44:31 +0100 Received: from [62.64.207.171] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16sV06-0008qJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:35:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:35:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and Eureka. Message-ID: <4b2109ff44dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b20fd2877pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b20f138d2pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4b20fd2877pnyoung@argonet.co. User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b20fd2877pnyoung@argonet.co.uk>, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > In article , > John Bodiam wrote: > > On Tue 02 Apr, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > > > > > > Did I dream it, or is there a way of putting Eureka sheets in ImpOLE > > > format into an OPro document? I am sure I have done this in the past, > > > but I can't find how to do it now. > > > > > > I know it can be done by saving from Eureka as a drawfile, but the > > > possibility of being able to OLE it are appealing. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Peter. > > Save as 'Impression OLE' > Done that, and it doesn't work. Oh, and by the way, I meant a Eureka > chart, not sheet! > Back to the drawing board, with apologies :-) > Best wishes, > Peter. There is a buglet in the way Eureka saves an ImpOLE chart Save out as ImpOLE in the usual way, but change its filetype to EurSheet, then drop it into the OvPro frame. Unfortunately, Saving out just the chart means you can't OLE it back into Eureka from OvPro. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 2 21:01:34 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163880 for opro ; Tue, 02 Apr 102 21:01:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017771494:10:28435:120; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:18:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029124; 2 Apr 2002 18:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g32ILOk11102 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:21:24 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g32ILMi11099 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:21:22 +0100 Received: from [62.188.132.40] (helo=62.188.132.40) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16sSqf-0003xJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:17:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:14:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and Eureka. Message-ID: <4b20fd2877pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b20f138d2pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , John Bodiam wrote: > On Tue 02 Apr, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > > > > Did I dream it, or is there a way of putting Eureka sheets in ImpOLE > > format into an OPro document? I am sure I have done this in the past, > > but I can't find how to do it now. > > > > I know it can be done by saving from Eureka as a drawfile, but the > > possibility of being able to OLE it are appealing. > > > > TIA, > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Peter. > Save as 'Impression OLE' Done that, and it doesn't work. Oh, and by the way, I meant a Eureka chart, not sheet! Back to the drawing board, with apologies :-) Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 01:17:31 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163910 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 01:17:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017785690:20:11017:55; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:14:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113134; 2 Apr 2002 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g32MHvF11758 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:17:57 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g32MHti11755 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:17:55 +0100 Received: from [62.188.150.181] (helo=argonet) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16sWXY-0000PZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:14:09 +0100 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:00:04 GMT From: Richard Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro Message-ID: <724c01214b.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> References: <163682@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <163682@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <163682@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > I can see MS word loading leaping up the todo list once OP is out for Windows. > I should say so! > David Pilling > Richard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 14:00:19 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163930 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 14:00:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017798933:10:16239:60; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:55:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103010; 3 Apr 2002 1:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g331wfW12260 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 02:58:41 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g331wci12253 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 02:58:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16sZyf-0009Sd-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:54:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:51:59 GMT Message-Id: <163922@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and Eureka. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Save as 'Impression OLE' >Done that, and it doesn't work Expand "doesn't work" please. The format which consists of data stuck on the end of a drawfile is supported. Eureka sheet type 0xC37 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 14:00:19 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163929 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 14:00:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017798927:20:15025:67; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:55:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111956; 3 Apr 2002 1:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g331whN12265 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 02:58:43 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2UKn7i02697 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:49:07 GMT Received: from [62.188.135.50] (helo=62.188.135.50) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16rPjf-00079g-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:46:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John McCartney To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:04:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro Message-ID: <4b1ef26455johnmc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > A bit late in the day I would guess. Presumeably your buddy could also > buy Virtual Acorn - depends what he wants to do. If his aim is > conversion to MS word format, then neither will help. I'll tell him that it's a non-starter then. I can see that text can be saved out which he could then load into Word but the images couldn't be saved in a suitable format. Thanks for putting me straight. John -- John McCartney johnmc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 14:00:25 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163932 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 14:00:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017798928:20:15053:78; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:55:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015196; 3 Apr 2002 1:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g331wjd12266 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 02:58:45 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2UJ3ri02494 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:03:53 GMT Received: from arnold ([195.121.195.47]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GTSVGI00.G4K for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:00:18 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:57:47 GMT From: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: spotcolour mix Message-ID: <5d137b1f4b.tenu@uitleg.nl> X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g2UJ3ri02495 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, I wonder if it would be possible to make 'spotcolour-sliders' (an applet or something). In several magazines we publish we mix spotcolours, for example 80% pms 295 (red) and 40% pms 484 (blue). The only way to do so is using 80% magenta and 40% cyan (or other cymk-colours). The disadvantage is that we can't even produce a simple colourprint. Aslider in which you can give in for example four spotcolours which you can mix would be a great help. Would it be difficult to write this applet? Of course we will pay for the development. Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 14:00:45 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163940 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 14:00:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017823673:10:03624:93; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:47:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102042; 3 Apr 2002 8:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g338lPT13319 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:47:25 +0100 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g338lMi13316 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:47:22 +0100 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:47:16 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net (unverified [62.30.150.50]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for Message-Id: <5E6AFFDE-46DF-11D6-8540-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 07:04 , John McCartney wrote: > On 28 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > >> A bit late in the day I would guess. Presumeably your buddy could also >> buy Virtual Acorn - depends what he wants to do. If his aim is >> conversion to MS word format, then neither will help. > > I'll tell him that it's a non-starter then. I can see that text can be > saved out which he could then load into Word but the images couldn't be > saved in a suitable format. Thanks for putting me straight. Your friend got access to a Mac? If so, and he can get the images out individually, he'll find Graphic Converter can read Risc OS sprites and convert them to something else (in batches if necessary). Find it dead handy myself. One other option, is to find someone with an RPC and RisScript and save convert all the docs to PDFs. I'm in the process of converting a couple of hundred docs for school just in case anything happens to my RPC. Can't edit them but at least people won't end up making photocopies of photocopies of photocopies... -- Pete +44 7711 501 757 ==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 14:00:48 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163941 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 14:00:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017821650:20:06730:54; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:14:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005362; 3 Apr 2002 8:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g338CkG13169 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:12:46 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g338Chi13165 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:12:43 +0100 Received: from frogger ([127.0.0.1] helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16sftE-0000qL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:13:08 +0100 Received: from 195.152.254.85 (proxying for unknown) (WebMail authenticated user bb07) by email.argonet.co.uk with HTTP; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:13:08 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <6880.195.152.254.85.1017821588.squirrel@email.argonet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:13:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro From: "David Breakwell" To: In-Reply-To: <4b1ef26455johnmc@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b1ef26455johnmc@argonet.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: WebMail (version 3.21 ß) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > On 28 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > >> A bit late in the day I would guess. Presumeably your buddy could also >> buy Virtual Acorn - depends what he wants to do. If his aim is >> conversion to MS word format, then neither will help. > > I'll tell him that it's a non-starter then. I can see that text can be > saved out which he could then load into Word but the images couldn't be > saved in a suitable format. Thanks for putting me straight. > You can use !MakeRTF to convert text and styles to RTF format. Email me if you want a copy. It does a pretty good job of retaining the styles and formatting of text (including rulers and tabs). I did start a version to do graphics but never finished it. David Breakwell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 14:00:51 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163942 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 14:00:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017825519:10:01575:69; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:18:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101671; 3 Apr 2002 9:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g339Her13465 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:17:40 +0100 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g339Hci13462 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:17:38 +0100 Received: from in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.78.57] helo=there) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16sgtd-0004WU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:17:37 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Organization: IDRsolutions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:12:22 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <5E6AFFDE-46DF-11D6-8540-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> In-Reply-To: <5E6AFFDE-46DF-11D6-8540-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wednesday 03 April 2002 9:47 am, you wrote: > On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 07:04 , John McCartney wrote: > > On 28 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > >> A bit late in the day I would guess. Presumeably your buddy could also > >> buy Virtual Acorn - depends what he wants to do. If his aim is > >> conversion to MS word format, then neither will help. > > > > I'll tell him that it's a non-starter then. I can see that text can be > > saved out which he could then load into Word but the images couldn't be > > saved in a suitable format. Thanks for putting me straight. > > Your friend got access to a Mac? If so, and he can get the images out > individually, he'll find Graphic Converter can read Risc OS sprites and > convert them to something else (in batches if necessary). Find it dead > handy myself. > > One other option, is to find someone with an RPC and RisScript and save > convert all the docs to PDFs. I'm in the process of converting a couple of > hundred docs for school just in case anything happens to my RPC. Can't > edit them but at least people won't end up making photocopies of > photocopies of photocopies... Only problem with saving as pdf is they are not really editable. MArk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 14:01:19 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163952 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 14:01:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017840290:10:07040:72; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:24:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1006838; 3 Apr 2002 13:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g33DMMf14132 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:22:22 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g33DMJi14129 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:22:19 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-120-6-182.webport.bt.net [213.120.6.182]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g33EKD500732 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:20:13 GMT Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:06:55 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix Message-ID: <04d159214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <5d137b1f4b.tenu@uitleg.nl> In-Reply-To: <5d137b1f4b.tenu@uitleg.nl> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <5d137b1f4b.tenu@uitleg.nl> you wrote: > Hello, > > I wonder if it would be possible to make 'spotcolour-sliders' (an > applet or something). > > In several magazines we publish we mix spotcolours, for example > 80% pms 295 (red) and 40% pms 484 (blue). The only way to do so > is using 80% magenta and 40% cyan (or other cymk-colours). > The disadvantage is that we can't even produce a simple colourprint. > I have found a partial solution by defining the sot coulours in CMYK terms, but then printing the spot colours as a series of passes of the same sheet of paper through the printer. I have succesfully used this method in creating truw duotones, with two identiacl images precisely aligned over each other, one image using one spot colour, one using the other. Registration may not be perfect but was adequate when I tried it. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 17:05:53 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163960 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 17:05:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017850707:20:08737:59; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:18:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114987; 3 Apr 2002 16:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g33GAQw14520 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:10:26 +0100 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g33GAOi14517 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:10:24 +0100 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:09:30 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net (unverified [62.30.150.50]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for Message-Id: <29EA8762-471D-11D6-9668-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 10:12 , mark@idrsolutions.com wrote: > On Wednesday 03 April 2002 9:47 am, I wrote: >> One other option, is to find someone with an RPC and RisScript and save >> convert all the docs to PDFs. I'm in the process of converting a couple >> of >> hundred docs for school just in case anything happens to my RPC. Can't >> edit them but at least people won't end up making photocopies of >> photocopies of photocopies... > > Only problem with saving as pdf is they are not really editable. Erm, I think I said that :-) I can't readily remember now whether it's a requirement that the docs which this thread is about are editable though. Some docs are finished and never going to be edited again. In that case it makes sense to convert them to something like PDFs which are much more cross-platform. -- Pete +44 7711 501 757 ==== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 18:37:45 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163967 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 18:37:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017853506:20:19804:125; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:05:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100133; 3 Apr 2002 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g33H4Zj14666 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:04:35 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g33H4Vi14661 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:04:31 +0100 Received: from [62.188.144.166] (helo=62.188.144.166) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16soBn-00051Y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:04:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:51:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and Eureka. Message-ID: <4b217966a3pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b2109ff44dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4b20f138d2pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4b20fd2877pnyoung@argonet.co. User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b2109ff44dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > There is a buglet in the way Eureka saves an ImpOLE chart So it seems! > Save out as ImpOLE in the usual way, but change its filetype to EurSheet, > then drop it into the OvPro frame. > Unfortunately, Saving out just the chart means you can't OLE it back into > Eureka from OvPro. Tried that, and it works as you say, but if you try to OLE it out again not only it doesn't work, but Eureka throws a wobbly, crashes and exits. On balance, I think putting the chart as a drawfile into OPro will suit my purposes better; at least you can OLE it out into Draw and do some tinkering there. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 18:37:45 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163966 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 18:37:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017853487:10:25587:61; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:04:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025612; 3 Apr 2002 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g33H4RF14657 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:04:27 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g33H4Oi14654 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:04:25 +0100 Received: from [62.188.144.166] (helo=62.188.144.166) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16soBf-00051Y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:04:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:47:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and Eureka. Message-ID: <4b217900f7pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <163922@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <163922@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <163922@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> Save as 'Impression OLE' > >Done that, and it doesn't work > Expand "doesn't work" please. Trying to put an ImpOLE format Eureka sheet into an OPro frame gives the error 'file is type EurChart, not text. Do you want to proceed?' If you do, the frame fills with ASCII data. > The format which consists of data stuck on the end of a drawfile is > supported. Eureka sheet type 0xC37 Sorry, I was misleading in my original posting. I meant Eureka chart (&2CD), not sheet. Interestingly, playing with the two other apps I have, Impression Junior also won't accept the charts, but Easiwriter will, and will OLE it out to Eureka as well. Best wishes, Peter. > David Pilling -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 18:37:48 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163969 for opro ; Wed, 03 Apr 102 18:37:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017853487:10:25384:63; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:04:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125729; 3 Apr 2002 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g33H2ZL14644 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:02:35 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g33H2Xi14641 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:02:33 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16so9L-000Hqz-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:02:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:14:09 GMT Message-Id: <163956@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I presume the key to this is that if one wanted a frame printing in a mixture of two spots, one would have to have two frames, one in each spot colour overlayed. Or the colour system would have to be extended to so that as well as variable amounts of CMYK for each object one could have amounts of a number of spot colours. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 00:02:08 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163976 for opro ; Thu, 04 Apr 102 00:02:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017858969:10:14380:118; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:36:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1014504; 3 Apr 2002 18:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g33IYAp15069 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:34:10 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g33IY7i15065 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:34:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16spZz-0001Ib-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:33:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:08:58 GMT Message-Id: <163964@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Tell me how I can produce a frame, filled with >say 80% pms 295 and 40% pms 484, getting a darkred (brown) colour. Convert the two spots to CMYK, add the values together, set that as the colour. Or put two copies of the frame, one on top of the other in the document each set to the appropriate shade of the spot needed. I expect neither of the above is a useful answer, but someone has to get the obvious points out of the way... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 00:02:09 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163977 for opro ; Thu, 04 Apr 102 00:02:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017859094:20:17637:91; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018639; 3 Apr 2002 18:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g33IbhS15106 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:37:43 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g33Ibei15103 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:37:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16spdV-0001YX-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:37:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:38:25 GMT Message-Id: <163972@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and Eureka. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Sorry, I was misleading in my original posting. I meant Eureka chart >(&2CD), not sheet. Assuming that is Draw like, I'd be inclined to add it to OP. This is a quote from page 14 of the CD Guide document =============================================================================== Importing Other Draw Format Files In addition to standard Draw files, Ovation Pro can load files from Equasor, TableMate, Formulix, DiagramIt and TableCalc. Because there are many programs which use Draw files with their own filetypes, it may be useful to know about the script language function: impexcopy(int basetype, int newtype, string &name). This allows a new filetype to be added which is based on an existing filetype. Suppose you wanted to allow Ovation Pro to load a filetype called MyDraw with RISC OS filetype hex 123 which is compatible with Draw. This line could be inserted in a script file: impexcopy(0xAFF,0x123,"MyDraw"). After which Ovation Pro would allow such files to be loaded directly into picture frames. (Draw files have type hex AFF). ========================================================================= The file you'd stick it in would be !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom, before the last '}' David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 00:02:12 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163978 for opro ; Thu, 04 Apr 102 00:02:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017858990:10:14660:141; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:36:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014505; 3 Apr 2002 18:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g33IY8a15068 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:34:08 +0100 Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g33FKVi14421 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:20:31 +0100 Received: from arnold ([195.121.194.146]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GTZZY102.2SX for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:20:25 +0200 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:18:47 GMT From: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix Message-ID: <3c5e76214b.tenu@uitleg.nl> References: <5d137b1f4b.tenu@uitleg.nl> <04d159214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <04d159214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In e-mail <04d159214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> schreef je: > In message <5d137b1f4b.tenu@uitleg.nl> you wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I wonder if it would be possible to make 'spotcolour-sliders' (an > > applet or something). > > > > In several magazines we publish we mix spotcolours, for example > > 80% pms 295 (red) and 40% pms 484 (blue). The only way to do so > > is using 80% magenta and 40% cyan (or other cymk-colours). > > The disadvantage is that we can't even produce a simple colourprint. > > > I have found a partial solution by defining the sot coulours in CMYK > terms, but then printing the spot colours as a series of passes of > the same sheet of paper through the printer. I have succesfully used > this method in creating truw duotones, with two identiacl images > precisely aligned over each other, one image using one spot colour, > one using the other. Registration may not be perfect but was adequate > when I tried it. > > Mike Williams > Akalat Publishing Yes Mike, I remember you wrote about it in Acorn Publisher. But I think I mean something else. It does not have to be a picture. Tell me how I can produce a frame, filled with say 80% pms 295 and 40% pms 484, getting a darkred (brown) colour. Doing it with cymk (using them as separated spotcolours) and typesetting the films is easy. But how should I get a colourprint? Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 00:02:14 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163979 for opro ; Thu, 04 Apr 102 00:02:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017867229:20:24424:96; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 20:53:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107850; 3 Apr 2002 20:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g33Kp8615629 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:51:08 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.112.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g33Kp6i15626 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:51:06 +0100 Received: from [62.64.226.179] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16sriP-00030y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:50:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:48:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and Eureka. Message-ID: <4b218f0b1bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <163972@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <163972@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <163972@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Sorry, I was misleading in my original posting. I meant Eureka chart > >(&2CD), not sheet. > Assuming that is Draw like, I'd be inclined to add it to OP. This is a > quote from page 14 of the CD Guide document > ======================================================================= > Importing Other Draw Format Files [Snip david's info] >==== > The file you'd stick it in would be !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom, before the > last '}' > David Pilling Thanks for the info David, most useful. One small point regarding the text you've quoted from someone else. The Eureka chart hex is C2D not 2CD. Cheers and thanks Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 00:02:22 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA163982 for opro ; Thu, 04 Apr 102 00:02:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017874315:10:01026:80; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:51:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122027; 3 Apr 2002 22:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g33MpR315940 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 23:51:27 +0100 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g33MpPi15937 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 23:51:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 8845 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 22:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.159) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 22:51:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 23:21:03 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: spotcolour mix To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <163964@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 03 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >Tell me how I can produce a frame, filled with > >say 80% pms 295 and 40% pms 484, getting a darkred (brown) colour. > > Convert the two spots to CMYK, add the values together, set that as > the colour. OK if you only want one particular mix, not if you want to use a variety of mixes of 2 spot colours. I think you'd need 2 versions of the document - one with a palette of the 2 spot colours plus all the mixes used to get an approximate colour print, the second with everything defined as 2 process colours (eg. C + M) so the separations work. > Or put two copies of the frame, one on top of the other in the document > each set to the appropriate shade of the spot needed. If the same percentage of each spot colour was wanted (probably rare) you could just set it to Registration colour as that prints on all separations - but still no colour print to show approximately what it will look like. I have a project at present which will print in 2 PMS colours and it would be helpful to be able to present inkjet output of the approximate effect of mixing spot colours. > Or the colour system would have to be extended to so that as well as > variable amounts of CMYK for each object one could have amounts of a number > of spot colours. I think this is what Arnold was asking for, and I'd appreciate it as well. I'm thinking in terms of a 4th option for colour model, re-using the CMYK colour mixer but replacing the colours with (up to the first 4) spot colours already defined in the document's palette. If fewer than 4 spot colours are defined you could keep the black slider but make other unused positions blank. Anyone with wider experience than mine - does any DTP software on any platform offer this facility? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 13:21:03 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164000 for opro ; Thu, 04 Apr 102 13:21:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017886651:10:24747:81; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 02:17:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024871; 4 Apr 2002 2:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g342FNL16370 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 03:15:23 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g342FLi16367 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 03:15:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16swmM-0000zx-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 02:15:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 00:19:30 GMT Message-Id: <163994@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm thinking in terms of a 4th option for colour model, re-using the CMYK >colour mixer but replacing the colours with (up to the first 4) spot colours >already defined in the document's palette. If fewer than 4 spot colours are >defined you could keep the black slider but make other unused positions >blank. Yes, thats a good way of looking at it, not so difficult from that point of view. It would still take changes to the main program, but relatively small ones. >Anyone with wider experience than mine - does any DTP software on any >platform offer this facility? I'd be interested to know. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 13:21:15 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164004 for opro ; Thu, 04 Apr 102 13:21:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017917422:20:24350:641; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 10:50:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017721; 4 Apr 2002 10:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g34AmnG17482 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:48:49 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g34Amki17479 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:48:46 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host62-7-154-208.webport.bt.net [62.7.154.208]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g34Bke529138 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:46:40 GMT Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 10:40:18 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix Message-ID: References: <163994@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <163994@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <163994@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >I'm thinking in terms of a 4th option for colour model, re-using the CMYK > >colour mixer but replacing the colours with (up to the first 4) spot colours > >already defined in the document's palette. If fewer than 4 spot colours are > >defined you could keep the black slider but make other unused positions > >blank. > > Yes, thats a good way of looking at it, not so difficult from that point > of view. It would still take changes to the main program, but relatively > small ones. > > >Anyone with wider experience than mine - does any DTP software on any > >platform offer this facility? > > I'd be interested to know. > Software on the Mac uses colour swatches and a number of swatch libraries including Pantone colours are licenced and available. So if you add a Pantone colour to the available palette it comes predefined in terms of either RGB or CMYK, depending on which colour model you are working in (you can edit the definition). However, as far as I am aware, there is no built-in mechanism in any software for handling two or more Pantone colours, other than the duotone (or multi-tone) facility for bit-mapped images in Photoshop. There is no concept for mixing a new colour as a combination of spot colours. We must also remember that the original enquiry was about obtaining inkjet printouts, rather than separations. One further thought, how do you cope if adding up the CMYK percentages of two or more spot colours gives results in excess of 100%? Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 13:21:36 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164007 for opro ; Thu, 04 Apr 102 13:21:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017904912:10:06831:124; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 07:21:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110436; 4 Apr 2002 7:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g347LDk16981 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:21:13 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g347LBi16978 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:21:11 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-39-134.webport.bt.net [213.1.39.134]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g348J4506027 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:19:05 GMT Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:40:14 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix Message-ID: <79cc93214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <5d137b1f4b.tenu@uitleg.nl> <04d159214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> <3c5e76214b.tenu@uitleg.nl> In-Reply-To: <3c5e76214b.tenu@uitleg.nl> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <3c5e76214b.tenu@uitleg.nl> you wrote: > In e-mail <04d159214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> schreef je: > > > In message <5d137b1f4b.tenu@uitleg.nl> you wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I wonder if it would be possible to make 'spotcolour-sliders' (an > > > applet or something). > > > > > > In several magazines we publish we mix spotcolours, for example > > > 80% pms 295 (red) and 40% pms 484 (blue). The only way to do so > > > is using 80% magenta and 40% cyan (or other cymk-colours). > > > The disadvantage is that we can't even produce a simple colourprint. > > > > > I have found a partial solution by defining the sot coulours in CMYK > > terms, but then printing the spot colours as a series of passes of > > the same sheet of paper through the printer. I have succesfully used > > this method in creating truw duotones, with two identiacl images > > precisely aligned over each other, one image using one spot colour, > > one using the other. Registration may not be perfect but was adequate > > when I tried it. > > > > Mike Williams > > Akalat Publishing > > Yes Mike, I remember you wrote about it in Acorn Publisher. > But I think I mean something else. It does not have to be a > picture. Tell me how I can produce a frame, filled with > say 80% pms 295 and 40% pms 484, getting a darkred (brown) colour. > Doing it with cymk (using them as separated spotcolours) and > typesetting the films is easy. But how should I get a colourprint? > > Arnold > > Create two frames. Fill one with 80% PMS 295 defined in CMYK as a spot colour. Create a second frame of the same size and in the same position and fikl this with 40% PMS 484. Print out and top frame colour will 'knock out' the frame underneath. Now emove the top frame, so that the one below is visible. Place the same sheet of paper in the printer and print again. Should give a reasonable representation, as much as any PMS colour can be represented in CMYK. Hope that makes things clear. It can get complicated if the artwork is more complex and the number of PMS colours increases. Also the sheer amount of ink on the paper can be a problem. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 16:38:02 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164012 for opro ; Thu, 04 Apr 102 16:38:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017928042:20:24453:55; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:47:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023833; 4 Apr 2002 13:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g34DkAQ17884 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:46:10 +0100 Received: from protactinium (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g34Dk8i17881 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:46:08 +0100 Received: from host213-1-169-61.btinternet.com ([213.1.169.61] helo=there) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16t7Yl-0002Zv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:45:51 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mark Stephens Organization: IDRsolutions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:46:14 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <29EA8762-471D-11D6-9668-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> In-Reply-To: <29EA8762-471D-11D6-9668-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wednesday 03 April 2002 5:09 pm, you wrote: > On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 10:12 , mark@idrsolutions.com wrote: > > On Wednesday 03 April 2002 9:47 am, I wrote: > >> One other option, is to find someone with an RPC and RisScript and save > >> convert all the docs to PDFs. I'm in the process of converting a couple > >> of > >> hundred docs for school just in case anything happens to my RPC. Can't > >> edit them but at least people won't end up making photocopies of > >> photocopies of photocopies... > > > > Only problem with saving as pdf is they are not really editable. > > Erm, I think I said that :-) I can't readily remember now whether it's a > requirement that the docs which this thread is about are editable though. > Some docs are finished and never going to be edited again. In that case it > makes sense to convert them to something like PDFs which are much more > cross-platform. I thought it worth SPELLING it out as it is a critical point! XML from Ovation would be very nice (please,please David) MArk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 18:50:32 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164033 for opro ; Thu, 04 Apr 102 18:50:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017939899:20:07484:82; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 17:04:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108690; 4 Apr 2002 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g34H4le18376 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:04:47 +0100 Received: from imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.179]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g34H4ji18373 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:04:45 +0100 Received: from modem-31.mercury.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.59.159] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16tAeu-00006H-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:04:25 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:49:34 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <5E6AFFDE-46DF-11D6-8540-003065F08624@dawnsun.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JPK, Bangor.Pager 07626-235878 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Apr, Peter Gaunt wrote: > > > On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 07:04 , John McCartney wrote: > > > On 28 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > >> A bit late in the day I would guess. Presumeably your buddy could also > >> buy Virtual Acorn - depends what he wants to do. If his aim is > >> conversion to MS word format, then neither will help. > > > > I'll tell him that it's a non-starter then. I can see that text can be > > saved out which he could then load into Word but the images couldn't be > > saved in a suitable format. Thanks for putting me straight. > > Your friend got access to a Mac? If so, and he can get the images out > individually, he'll find Graphic Converter can read Risc OS sprites and > convert them to something else (in batches if necessary). Find it dead > handy myself. > > One other option, is to find someone with an RPC and RisScript and save > convert all the docs to PDFs. I'm in the process of converting a couple of > hundred docs for school just in case anything happens to my RPC. Can't > edit them but at least people won't end up making photocopies of > photocopies of photocopies... Riscript runs fine on a riscstation. Would He like a portable with a long battery life? -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 20:52:58 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164045 for opro ; Thu, 04 Apr 102 20:52:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017946052:10:26657:61; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:47:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026506; 4 Apr 2002 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g34Il2W18665 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:47:02 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g34Il0i18661 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:47:00 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16tCFs-000FRy-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:46:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:50:47 GMT Message-Id: <164019@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >XML from Ovation would be very nice (please,please David) Yep, we've talked of this for years. I'm now really keen, but tell me this, what sort of XML? Presumeably if I defined my own dialect that would be of no use whatsoever. So do you know of a dialect for handling DTP docs which Quark etc. all support? I read recently of a DTP program for Linux - Ice which claims to save docs as XML. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 00:20:40 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164067 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 00:20:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017956244:20:09653:65; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:37:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009939; 4 Apr 2002 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g34LImP19070 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:18:48 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g34FTPi18148 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:29:25 +0100 Received: from arnold ([195.121.193.114]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GU1V0G02.J9K for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:29:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:07:03 GMT From: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix Message-ID: <6f21f9214b.tenu@uitleg.nl> References: <5d137b1f4b.tenu@uitleg.nl> <04d159214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> <3c5e76214b.tenu@uitleg.nl> <79cc93214b.akalat@a In-Reply-To: <79cc93214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In e-mail <79cc93214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> schreef je: > Create two frames. Fill one with 80% PMS 295 defined in CMYK as a > spot colour. Create a second frame of the same size and in the same > position and fikl this with 40% PMS 484. > > Print out and top frame colour will 'knock out' the frame underneath. > Now emove the top frame, so that the one below is visible. Place the > same sheet of paper in the printer and print again. Should give a > reasonable representation, as much as any PMS colour can be > represented in CMYK. I don't think this is a good solution knowing that we then have to copy hundreds of frames and printing hundreds of pages twice every month. Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 00:20:45 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164068 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 00:20:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017956562:20:16075:63; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:42:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015149; 4 Apr 2002 21:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g34LIim19061 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:18:44 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g34FTPi18150 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:29:25 +0100 Received: from arnold ([195.121.193.114]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GU1V0J02.08N for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:29:07 +0200 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:26:32 GMT From: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In e-mail schreef je: > > Or the colour system would have to be extended to so that as well as > > variable amounts of CMYK for each object one could have amounts of a number > > of spot colours. > > I think this is what Arnold was asking for, and I'd appreciate it as well. Yes. > I'm thinking in terms of a 4th option for colour model, re-using the CMYK > colour mixer but replacing the colours with (up to the first 4) spot colours > already defined in the document's palette. If fewer than 4 spot colours are > defined you could keep the black slider but make other unused positions > blank. If one could actually edit the procescolours you get the same result. So if you for example could say: cyan = 100% cyan, 56% magenta, 0% yellow and 34% black (the cymk-equivalent for pms 295), then you can use the cyan slider as a spotcolour mixer. Of course you can edit the procescolours, but then there is no possibility to mix two of them. Because when you create a new colour say 80% cyan and 40% magenta the colour is based on pure cyan and magenta and not on the edited cyan or magenta. Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 00:20:46 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164069 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 00:20:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017955626:10:25876:71; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:27:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025588; 4 Apr 2002 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g34LIrI19074 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:18:53 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g34LIji19065 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:18:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16tEcj-000PFw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:18:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:16:37 GMT Message-Id: <164060@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One further thought, how do you cope if adding up the CMYK >percentages of two or more spot colours gives results in excess of 100%? Which inspires the thought, if you're printing on a conventional desktop printer, you don't have real spots that you can print. At best somewhere the image will be converted to RGB or CMYK and then printed. You could do that conversion by hand, or you could let the software do it, but short of printing the page twice, you won't be able to go out of gamut. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 00:20:51 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164071 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 00:20:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017955632:10:25803:80; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:27:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121891; 4 Apr 2002 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g34LRNB19107 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:27:23 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g34LRLi19104 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:27:21 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020404212700.BJXH17294.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:27:00 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:55:37 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: spotcolour mix To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-IS-UID: 1017954105 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Thu 04 Apr, Mike Williams wrote: > > We must also remember that the original enquiry was about obtaining > inkjet printouts, rather than separations. Which is where the problem arises - workarounds for separations are possible. > One further thought, how do you cope if adding up the CMYK > percentages of two or more spot colours gives results in excess of > 100%? Presuambly scale all the values down so the highest is (less than) 100% - it is the proportions which make the colour. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 00:21:02 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164073 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 00:21:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017959763:20:15338:62; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:36:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015366; 4 Apr 2002 22:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g34Ma2U19524 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:36:02 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g34Ma0i19520 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:36:00 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16tFpO-000CRk-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 23:35:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 23:22:38 +0100 Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro Message-ID: <4b221b8431Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <164019@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <164019@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <164019@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >XML from Ovation would be very nice (please,please David) > Yep, we've talked of this for years. I'm now really keen, but tell me > this, what sort of XML? Presumeably if I defined my own dialect that > would be of no use whatsoever. > So do you know of a dialect for handling DTP docs which Quark etc. all > support? > I read recently of a DTP program for Linux - Ice > which claims to save docs as XML. I may have misunderstood - I thought XML was a standard; what matters is that you then define a DTD which describes how 'your' XML is parsed and some sort of backend that describes how that parsed data can be extracted and manipulated. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 12:47:55 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164094 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 12:47:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017972889:20:13012:95; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 02:14:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128639; 5 Apr 2002 2:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g352EAC19996 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:14:10 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g352E8i19993 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:14:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16tJEV-0007Lt-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 02:13:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:24:15 GMT Message-Id: <164080@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I may have misunderstood - I thought XML was a standard; what matters is >that you then define a DTD which describes how 'your' XML is parsed and >some sort of backend that describes how that parsed data can be extracted >and manipulated. For 'dialect' read DTD. Whose DTD do we use? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 12:48:09 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164099 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 12:48:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017988934:20:15794:70; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 06:42:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015231; 5 Apr 2002 6:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g356eOB20556 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:40:24 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g356eGi20553 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:40:21 +0100 Received: from modem-187.zebra.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.240.187] helo=westonontrent.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16tNO2-0007Ea-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 07:39:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry T To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 07:39:34 +0100 Subject: Constituent Colour Message-ID: <4b224902f6Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know what the colour percentages are of the two additional colours that are contained in an Epson Photo colour cartridge? TIA -- Cheerio Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 12:48:24 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164106 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 12:48:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1017992054:10:11003:55; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 07:34:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010896; 5 Apr 2002 7:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g357YIb20720 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:34:18 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g357YFi20717 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:34:16 +0100 Received: from host213-122-116-242.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.116.242] helo=there) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16tOEH-0003U4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:33:49 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mark Stephens Organization: IDRsolutions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:34:13 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <164019@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <164019@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thursday 04 April 2002 5:50 pm, you wrote: > >XML from Ovation would be very nice (please,please David) > > Yep, we've talked of this for years. I'm now really keen, but tell > me this, what sort of XML? Presumeably if I defined my own > dialect that would be of no use whatsoever. > > So do you know of a dialect for handling DTP docs which Quark etc. > all support? > > I read recently of a DTP program for Linux - Ice > which claims to save docs as XML. Ice was 'invented' by Vignette for sharing data. > > > > David Pilling SVG is XML and offers some good drawing capabilties - any good?? MArk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 12:48:51 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164111 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 12:48:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018006060:20:29486:250; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:27:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122071; 5 Apr 2002 11:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g35BQtN21323 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:26:55 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g35BQri21319 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:26:53 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host62-7-138-43.webport.bt.net [62.7.138.43]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g35COi508552 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:24:44 GMT Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 12:28:13 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix Message-ID: <467063224b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <5d137b1f4b.tenu@uitleg.nl> <04d159214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> <3c5e76214b.tenu@uitleg.nl> <6f21f9214b.tenu@uit In-Reply-To: <6f21f9214b.tenu@uitleg.nl> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <6f21f9214b.tenu@uitleg.nl> you wrote: > In e-mail <79cc93214b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> schreef je: > > > > Create two frames. Fill one with 80% PMS 295 defined in CMYK as a > > spot colour. Create a second frame of the same size and in the same > > position and fikl this with 40% PMS 484. > > > > Print out and top frame colour will 'knock out' the frame underneath. > > Now emove the top frame, so that the one below is visible. Place the > > same sheet of paper in the printer and print again. Should give a > > reasonable representation, as much as any PMS colour can be > > represented in CMYK. > > I don't think this is a good solution knowing that we then have to > copy hundreds of frames and printing hundreds of pages twice every > month. > Agreed, but I don't think there is any alternative, unless yo try Vantage which claims to do just what you seek. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 20:40:03 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164126 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 20:40:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018019591:20:22518:86; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 15:13:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102459; 5 Apr 2002 15:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g35FCcB21886 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:12:38 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g35FCai21883 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:12:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16tVNi-000JGr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 15:12:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 13:08:04 GMT Message-Id: <164116@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Ice was 'invented' by Vignette for sharing data. So thats where the Linux DTP program derives its name? >SVG is XML and offers some good drawing capabilties - any good?? Very good suggestion of where to start looking for ideas. I guess you don't really want your DTP docs saving in a drawing format (although I admit I don't know how far SVG goes). One still needs a common format for it to be any use. Although if OP could save as SVG it would be pretty useful in its own right, even if it didn't let you take over complete editable documents. Its a good idea! David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 20:40:45 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164136 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 20:40:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018026888:10:02952:190; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 17:14:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004119; 5 Apr 2002 17:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g35HEbJ22189 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:14:37 +0100 Received: from carbon (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g35HEYi22186 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:14:34 +0100 Received: from host213-122-23-18.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.23.18] helo=there) by carbon with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16tXHn-0001Z1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:14:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mark Stephens Organization: IDRsolutions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:14:27 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <164116@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <164116@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Friday 05 April 2002 2:08 pm, you wrote: > >Ice was 'invented' by Vignette for sharing data. > > So thats where the Linux DTP program derives its name? > > >SVG is XML and offers some good drawing capabilties - any good?? > > Very good suggestion of where to start looking for ideas. > I guess you don't really want your DTP docs saving in a drawing > format (although I admit I don't know how far SVG goes). > > One still needs a common format for it to be any use. Although if > OP could save as SVG it would be pretty useful in its own right, > even if it didn't let you take over complete editable documents. > > Its a good idea! > > > David Pilling O'Reilly have a brilliant book on SVG - (IMHO) very clear. It should be reasonably editable. Problem with a pure editable text solution will be how to include display info (kerning,etc) MArk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 20:40:52 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164139 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 20:40:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018033990:10:06009:144; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 19:13:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125667; 5 Apr 2002 19:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g35JD8G22599 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:13:08 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g35JD5i22596 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:13:05 +0100 Received: from ademarte.inter.nl.net by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust39.tnt28.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.150.39] with SMTP for id VAA28583 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:11:38 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:00:34 +0100 (BST) From: Tonnie Demarteau Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Apr, Mark Stephens wrote: > On Friday 05 April 2002 2:08 pm, you wrote: > > >Ice was 'invented' by Vignette for sharing data. > > So thats where the Linux DTP program derives its name? > > >SVG is XML and offers some good drawing capabilties - any good?? > > Very good suggestion of where to start looking for ideas. > > I guess you don't really want your DTP docs saving in a drawing > > format (although I admit I don't know how far SVG goes). > > One still needs a common format for it to be any use. Although if > > OP could save as SVG it would be pretty useful in its own right, > > even if it didn't let you take over complete editable documents. > > Its a good idea! > > > > David Pilling > O'Reilly have a brilliant book on SVG - (IMHO) very clear. It should be > reasonably editable. Problem with a pure editable text solution will be how > to include display info (kerning,etc) Or have a look at http://www.w3.org or http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG It has a section about (recommendations/standards) for SVG, XML and DTD. Last version I downloaded was: http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/CR-SVG-20001102/ (Available as: PDF, zip archive of HTML) BTW on the RISC OS platform the (free) !Draw2SVG converter of Steven Simpson (and a rudimental export filter in !Draw of Select) of and the commercial !SVG viewer of WSS also follow these standards/recommendations, I assume. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands --some quotes from the index page:------- Abstract This specification defines the features and syntax for Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG), a language for describing two-dimensional vector and mixed vector/raster graphics in XML. A list of current W3C Recommendations and other technical documents can be found at http://www.w3.org/TR/. Table of Contents * Expanded Table of Contents * Copyright notice * 1 Introduction * 2 Concepts * 3 Rendering Model * 4 Basic Data Types and Interfaces * 5 Document Structure * 6 Styling * 7 Coordinate Systems, Transformations and Units * 8 Paths * 9 Basic Shapes * 10 Text * 11 Painting: Filling, Stroking and Marker Symbols * 12 Color * 13 Gradients and Patterns * 14 Clipping, Masking and Compositing * 15 Filter Effects * 16 Interactivity * 17 Linking * 18 Scripting * 19 Animation * 20 Fonts * 21 Metadata * 22 Backwards Compatibility * 23 Extensibility * Appendix A: DTD * Appendix B: SVG's Document Object Model (DOM) * Appendix C: IDL Definitions * Appendix D: Java Language Binding * Appendix E: ECMAScript Language Binding * Appendix F: Implementation Requirements * Appendix G: Conformance Criteria * Appendix H: Accessibility Support * Appendix I: Internationalization Support * Appendix J: Minimizing SVG File Sizes * Appendix K: References * Appendix L: Property index * Appendix M: Change History The following sections have not been written yet, but are expected to be be present in later versions of this specification: * Appendix N: Element and attribute index * Appendix O: Index ----unquote---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 6 01:27:48 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164143 for opro ; Sat, 06 Apr 102 01:27:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018039007:10:29812:57; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:36:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029746; 5 Apr 2002 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g35Kaqi22847 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:36:52 +0100 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164121 for opro ; Fri, 05 Apr 102 15:15:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018011075:20:07635:3; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 12:51:15 GMT Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.215]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006579; 5 Apr 2002 12:50 GMT Received: from modem-2895.snake.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.123.79] helo=RiscPC-1.nom) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16tTAe-0007MJ-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 13:50:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:10:36 +0100 Subject: PC version of OvPro Message-ID: <4b220f6d88chris.dawson@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, > So do you know of a dialect for handling DTP docs which Quark etc. > all support? There is a government Interoperability Framework called 'e-Gif' and there will be approved, and I understand - freely available, government based schemas to ensure the maximum data integration across platforms and programs. Here is a search link - you can see how much there is from this one government source: http://www.e-envoy.gov.uk/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=e-envoy&words=e-Gif All government, national and local, will be using XML if they want or need to connect with other departments, agencies or government secure Intranets ,GSIs. There are schemas currently being produced. Chris. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 6 01:27:52 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164145 for opro ; Sat, 06 Apr 102 01:27:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018039011:10:29897:56; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:36:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118351; 5 Apr 2002 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g35Kaso22849 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:36:54 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g35Kapi22845 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:36:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16taRV-0005WD-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:36:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 15:19:40 GMT Message-Id: <164124@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >There is a government Interoperability Framework called 'e-Gif' Arrgh, standards overload. 8-) Thanks. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 6 01:28:07 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164151 for opro ; Sat, 06 Apr 102 01:28:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018046968:10:21464:71; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 22:49:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021563; 5 Apr 2002 22:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g35MndT23249 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:49:39 +0100 Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g35Mnai23246 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:49:36 +0100 Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-80-109.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.80.109]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AFF12804; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:49:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 22:47:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 23:48:13 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spotcolour mix Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <164124@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >There is a government Interoperability Framework called 'e-Gif' > > Arrgh, standards overload. > > 8-) > I took a quick look at this site. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to use a language I recognise. So much for interoperability. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 6 12:57:53 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164189 for opro ; Sat, 06 Apr 102 12:57:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018082890:10:25420:70; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 08:48:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025351; 6 Apr 2002 8:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g368k8c24399 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:46:08 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g368k0i24395 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:46:05 +0100 Received: from tinshill.f9.co.uk ([80.0.16.154]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020406084520.PPYU7757.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:45:20 +0100 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:42:46 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Constituent Colour To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4b224902f6Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 05 Apr, Barry T wrote: > Does anyone know what the colour percentages are of the two > additional colours that are contained in an Epson Photo colour > cartridge? My understanding is they are clours which are particularly difficult to match in CMYK inks but their use can improve the printing of photographs quite a lot. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 6 15:13:57 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164202 for opro ; Sat, 06 Apr 102 15:13:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018097649:20:12299:117; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 12:54:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118435; 6 Apr 2002 12:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g36Cs8L24919 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:54:08 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g35IXNi22516 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:33:23 +0100 Received: from [62.188.132.26] (helo=62.188.132.26) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16tYWN-0003DO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 19:33:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John McCartney To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 19:23:46 +0100 Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro Message-ID: <4b22897bcajohnmc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Apr, Peter Gaunt wrote: > Your friend got access to a Mac? No. > One other option, is to find someone with an RPC and RisScript and save > convert all the docs to PDFs. I'm afraid that's another non-starter, but thanks for the suggestion. John -- John McCartney johnmc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 6 15:14:01 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164204 for opro ; Sat, 06 Apr 102 15:13:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018097649:20:12991:63; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 12:54:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012931; 6 Apr 2002 12:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g36CsFB24924 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:54:15 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g35IXJi22507 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:33:19 +0100 Received: from [62.188.132.26] (helo=62.188.132.26) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16tYWJ-0003DO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 19:33:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John McCartney To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 19:22:28 +0100 Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro Message-ID: <4b22895d1ejohnmc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Apr, David Breakwell wrote: > You can use !MakeRTF to convert text and styles to RTF format. Email me > if you want a copy. Ah yes, I didn't think of that. Thanks for the offer, I'll bear that in mind in the event he *does* buy OvPro for Windows. It's by no means certain that he will, but I shall try to pressure him into it. About a year ago, I turned a dozen or so files into text and GIFs for him and I've feeling he might just try fluttering his eyelashes (metaphorically speaking) and try and get me to do a few more. Thinks, "Will applets written for the RISC OS version run on the Windows version?" > It does a pretty good job of retaining the styles and formatting of text > (including rulers and tabs). I did start a version to do graphics but > never finished it. You know what your next job is then. :-) John -- John McCartney johnmc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 10 01:28:59 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164330 for opro ; Wed, 10 Apr 102 01:28:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018401776:10:05751:88; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:22:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005843; 10 Apr 2002 1:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3A1LVR02831 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:21:31 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g36Itgi25689 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:55:42 +0100 Received: from [62.188.142.147] (helo=62.188.142.147) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16tvLG-00047S-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 19:55:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John McCartney To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:35:43 +0100 Subject: Re: PC version of OvPro Message-ID: <4b229011ddjohnmc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Apr, John P. Kerslake wrote: > Riscript runs fine on a riscstation. Would He like a portable with a long > battery life? I think he has enough trouble coping with the vagaries of a PC to want to get back into the world of RISC OS. He is not very computer literate and coping with another system, no matter how friendly, would cause a message on his forehead to light up, saying 'tilt'. John -- John McCartney johnmc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 11 13:17:14 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164375 for opro ; Thu, 11 Apr 102 13:17:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018520780:10:29199:57; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:26:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028624; 11 Apr 2002 10:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3BAPsg06918 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:25:54 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3BAPpi06915 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:25:51 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.139]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020411102405.YQBI14788.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:24:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:23:51 +0100 From: John Pettigrew Message-ID: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Viewfinder X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am thinking of buying a Viewfinder and new monitor. Does anyone have experience of the VF with OPro? TiA, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 11 13:17:28 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164381 for opro ; Thu, 11 Apr 102 13:17:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018528224:10:14194:62; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:30:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013135; 11 Apr 2002 12:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3BCUsS07280 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:30:54 +0100 Received: from mail-r2.hw.ac.uk (mail-r.hw.ac.uk [137.195.101.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3BCUpi07277 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:30:51 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 16vdf3-0001ZH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:26:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:25:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Viewfinder Message-ID: <4b257fba51C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.27) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanner: exiscan *16vdf3-0001ZH-00*n70Rqp90EkQ* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Pettigrew wrote: > I am thinking of buying a Viewfinder and new monitor. Does anyone > have experience of the VF with OPro? In the sense that I have a viewfinder card, running in 16M colours at 1440x1080 on a fairly old 17" Iiyama, and I also use Ovation Pro. No problems that I have found. It simply means you can use your monitor to the limits it is capable of (unless you have a modern very large very expensive monitor) in 16M colours, and when you import graphics into Ovation Pro they are displayed in their full glory, without any dithering. I haven't noticed any significant slowing up of scrolling, etc.. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 11 20:20:58 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164400 for opro ; Thu, 11 Apr 102 20:20:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018553907:20:01097:69; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:38:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115092; 11 Apr 2002 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3BJdoa08463 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:39:50 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3BJdli08460 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:39:47 +0100 Received: from du-012-0006.freeuk.com ([212.126.155.6] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16vkOG-00014K-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:37:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:35:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Viewfinder Message-ID: <4b25a708d3badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John Pettigrew wrote: > I am thinking of buying a Viewfinder and new monitor. Does anyone have > experience of the VF with OPro? > TiA, > John I've been using a Mark 1 Viewfinder for 18 months. I use OvnPro heavily for the various tasks. The one drawback of Viewfinder is slower screen rendering in some situations. There are a few situations when I have found this a bit of a problem, but since John Kortink added the facility to switch between Viewfinder and VIDC (native video) with single mouse clicks, it has been possible to enjoy the best of both worlds with the minimum of fuss. (On reflection, this may only be possible with dual input monitors - check with John). Personally I have no hesitation in recommending Viewfinder for use with OvnPro - but recommend a good monitor to make the most of Viewfinder. HTH Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 13 15:23:07 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164456 for opro ; Sat, 13 Apr 102 15:23:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018704146:10:19174:59; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:22:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112059; 13 Apr 2002 13:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3DDLu513587 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:21:56 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3DDLri13584 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:21:53 +0100 Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16wNRH-000Amj-0a for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:19:36 +0100 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:18:12 +0100 From: Malcolm Cowell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Font$Path broken directory Message-ID: <23328c264b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello Discovered when trying to load OvPro page from RISC User in a Nutshell CD but found it repeatable in anything needing fonts = Draw, Fireworkz etc Error 'Broken Directory (while scanning Font$Path)' This has happened before but I have recompiled displays with Font Dir Pro 3.03 and it has come right - though I have never been sure why. Possible contributory factors *this* time: Just installed a StrongARM in place of my ARM 610 and also installed and used !CDBurn for first time. Is this a StrongARM problem? Is there a fix? I dont have any paperwork as it was purchased as a 2nd user processor and just plugged it in. OvPro quits on loading - but whilst Ant Suite/Oregano/MessengerPro are loaded trying to load OvPro locks up machine, needing a switch off-on. Help! -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIEIE Python Publishing Tel: 01296 623700 47 Castle Park Road Wendover Aylesbury Buckinghamshire HP22 6AE http://www.chilternweb.co.uk Fax: 0870 0548876 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 13 15:23:15 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164459 for opro ; Sat, 13 Apr 102 15:23:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018705126:10:00636:61; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:38:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000513; 13 Apr 2002 13:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3DDedG13716 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:40:39 +0100 Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3DDeai13713 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:40:37 +0100 Received: from pd9007331.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.0.115.49] by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16wNjR-0000q1-00; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:38:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:38:44 +0200 Subject: Re: Font$Path broken directory Message-ID: <4b268e1339sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <23328c264b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> References: <23328c264b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Malcolm Cowell wrote: [snip] > Possible contributory factors *this* time: Just installed a StrongARM > in place of my ARM 610 and also installed and used !CDBurn for first > time. Is this a StrongARM problem? Unlikely that this is the cause of the problem. > Is there a fix? Yes, the "fix" is named DiscKnight and the test version is available from http://www.discknight.riscos.org.uk/ which checks your disc for faults. But in order to repair it, you need to register. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page Recursive, adj.: see Recursive -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 13 15:23:30 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164462 for opro ; Sat, 13 Apr 102 15:23:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018706893:10:23259:55; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:08:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023131; 13 Apr 2002 14:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3DEA3s13845 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:10:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3DEA1i13842 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:10:01 +0100 Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16wOBr-000CxN-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:07:46 +0100 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:08:13 +0100 From: Malcolm Cowell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font$Path broken directory Message-ID: <4dc690264b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> References: <23328c264b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <23328c264b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello again Replying to my own mailing: Having had lunch and trawled through old cover CD's etc then returned to FontDir Pro manual I saw a setting about display choices. I've turned off 'Cache from disc' and it all seems to work now. Fingers crossed. Malcolm In message <23328c264b.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Hello > > Discovered when trying to load OvPro page from RISC User in a Nutshell > CD but found it repeatable in anything needing fonts = Draw, Fireworkz > etc Error 'Broken Directory (while scanning Font$Path)' > > This has happened before but I have recompiled displays with Font Dir > Pro 3.03 and it has come right - though I have never been sure why. > > Possible contributory factors *this* time: Just installed a StrongARM > in place of my ARM 610 and also installed and used !CDBurn for first > time. Is this a StrongARM problem? Is there a fix? I dont have any > paperwork as it was purchased as a 2nd user processor and just plugged > it in. > > OvPro quits on loading - but whilst Ant Suite/Oregano/MessengerPro are > loaded trying to load OvPro locks up machine, needing a switch off-on. > > Help! > -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIEIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 21:16:30 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164489 for opro ; Tue, 16 Apr 102 21:16:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018894763:20:21584:56; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:19:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021132; 15 Apr 2002 18:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3FIJK519942 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:19:20 +0100 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3FIJIi19939 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:19:18 +0100 Received: from pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:16:30 +0100 Received: from riscpc.workgroup (unverified [62.30.76.220]) by pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for In-Reply-To: <163994@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <163994@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.28) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <163994@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Anyone with wider experience than mine - does any DTP software on any > >platform offer this facility? > I'd be interested to know. Quark certainly does it - it allows 'Multi-colours' which can be made from combinations of any number of any other colours (including spots -Pantone or otherwise) already defined in the document. Quite flexible really! -- tony cropper bristol uk Email: tony@cropp.demon.co.uk Web: http://www.cropp.demon.co.uk/ BARUG: http://www.snave.demon.co.uk/BARUG/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 21:16:38 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164492 for opro ; Tue, 16 Apr 102 21:16:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018896606:20:01177:55; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:50:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000884; 15 Apr 2002 18:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3FIqDK20087 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:52:13 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3FIqAi20084 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:52:10 +0100 Received: from study ([62.252.188.172]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020415184926.RAOY295.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@study> for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:49:26 +0100 From: "Colin McQueen" To: Subject: RE: Fills disappearing Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:53:22 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi >>>The fills disappear on screen although they are still there as you can >>>delete them. >>News to me. Under what circumstances? >I will have to get more details after Easter as its holiday time. A little bit more useful (?) info is that the type of fill display box on the info pane is not filled in and if you try to set the fill you get an erro:- >>>The only solution seems to be to save out a DDL and reload it or to delete >>>and reapply the fill. Also this did not help on the last one I tried, though that may have been because it was saved as an OPro document with the fill not showing so perhasp that stopped it reappearing with a DDL save/reload? >>Look at the parameters of the fill, either on screen using the fill tool, >>or in the DDL. I was thinking that the fill could accidentally be set to some >>odd value - doesn't really tie up if a DDL reload fixes things. >I agree. >>There's a lot to be made specific, what sort of fill? what sort of parameters? >>(clearly some parameters ranges will be suspect, shears of 90 degrees and so on). >From what I can recall it has happened with graduated and blob fills. I don't know about hatch. >The pupils don't experiment much so its probably with default values and may be related to >entering text into the same frame? This last on was exactly this ie. the default graduated fill you get when a fill is first applied, black to white linear fill. >Anyway I'll try to get more details in April. :) Done. -- Colin McQueen http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 21:17:41 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164521 for opro ; Tue, 16 Apr 102 21:17:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1018940723:10:17503:93; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:05:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117698; 16 Apr 2002 7:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3G77F921495 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:07:15 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3G77Ci21492 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:07:12 +0100 Received: from study ([62.252.190.150]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020416070422.EYQR29981.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@study> for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:04:22 +0100 From: "Colin McQueen" To: "Ovationpro" Subject: Re Fills disappearing Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:08:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Oops I missed out the error Bad template tag - 442502260 -- Colin McQueen http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 17 13:35:39 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164568 for opro ; Wed, 17 Apr 102 13:35:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019008914:20:19109:71; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:01:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124571; 17 Apr 2002 2:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3H237024211 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 03:03:07 +0100 Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (mail.concepts.nl [213.197.30.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3GBIei22264 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:18:40 +0100 Received: from smtp-2.concepts.nl (smtp-2.concepts.nl [213.197.30.52]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g3GBGJVE015300 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:16:19 +0200 Received: from xatnlwww.concepts.nl (ict.18.186.concepts.nl [213.197.2.186]) by smtp-2.concepts.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id OAA09979 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:13:45 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp-2.concepts.nl: Host ict.18.186.concepts.nl [213.197.2.186] claimed to be xatnlwww.concepts.nl Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:40:37 GMT From: Paul Reuvers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Losing embedded frames Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I currently have the following problem when using embedded frames in a text flow. When I make the embedded frame longer such that it won't fit on the current page anymore, it will flow to the next page. The frame border and the controls however, stay on the CURRENT page at the NEW position. This 'phantom' frame can even be resized. When I make the embedded frame wider than the master frame containing it, the frame is lost completely and I haven't been able to retreive it other that exporting and re-importing the whole lot. Due to the bug described above, I'm able to retrieve it as long as the 'phantom' frame controls are still on screen. Any seen this? Any solutions? -- Paul Reuvers X-Ample Technology bv The Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 17 13:35:42 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164569 for opro ; Wed, 17 Apr 102 13:35:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019008914:20:19113:63; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:01:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124570; 17 Apr 2002 2:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3H235924207 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 03:03:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3H233i24203 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 03:03:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16xejr-00037H-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:00:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 00:57:20 GMT Message-Id: <164564@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re Fills disappearing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Doesn't all this stuff with fill, point at something fundamental just an idea but for example using an old version of the fill applet with a new version of the program, or vice versa. It is a shortcoming but not all fill applets will work with all program versions, and there is no code to enforce this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 01:06:51 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164617 for opro ; Thu, 18 Apr 102 01:06:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019087421:10:26979:82; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:50:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026974; 17 Apr 2002 23:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3HNq7S26976 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:52:07 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3HNq4i26973 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:52:04 +0100 Received: from du-006-0016.freeuk.com ([212.126.147.16] helo=ligster.freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16xzAR-0000Xp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:48:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:46:25 +0100 From: Liam Creighton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF creation Message-ID: References: <200203172311.g2HNBpl23687@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200203172311.g2HNBpl23687@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Peter Gaunt wrote: > > > Nice idea, Anthony and in a perfect world it'd work fine and would be > > > the way I'd prefer to work too. However, RiScript doesn't honour the > > > cropping. Would it be possible for someone to write an applet to crop a picture within its frame? ie. after you've positioned the picture within the frame, you click a button and all the picture information that falls outside the frame border is deleted? Currently I drop the file into !AnonymousImageEditor and crop it in there, but that's a time-consuming process. Surely similar code can be squeezed into !OPro. This would not only be of use for those of us who weren't aware of the deficiencies of !RiScript before they bought it, but would also be handy for minimizing the size of documents. As for the unfortunate nomenclature of a certain piece of image manipulation software - how about following the Prince school of logic and renaming it with a squiggle or an abstract shape? It'd get some attention, maybe... Other than that, my 2p's worth on the name game... Perhaps "Lucid" might work as a blanket name for all DP's stuff. So we could have LucidDTP or LucidIM. I've always found DP's software clear and easy to use, lucid, you could say. Of course, if we were to re-name all software according to the user's quality of experience, the same page of my dictionary offers the perfect word for M$Word: lumpen. -- Liam Creighton - ligster@freeuk.com "The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction" William Blake -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 13:41:15 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164619 for opro ; Thu, 18 Apr 102 13:41:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019091811:20:24821:57; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 01:03:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117519; 18 Apr 2002 1:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3I16Gs27175 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 02:06:16 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3I16Ei27172 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 02:06:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16y0K9-000M93-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 01:02:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:46:06 GMT Message-Id: <164612@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Losing embedded frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro You're quite right about the problems - sorry. I'm a bit surprised because there's been much chat about the problems of making embedded frames too big forcing them to vanish. I'm wondering if this is a new bug. I did manage to get one lost frame back by adding a page (clearly OP should have auto generated a page for it). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 13:41:54 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164630 for opro ; Thu, 18 Apr 102 13:41:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019110249:20:15358:54; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:10:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104768; 18 Apr 2002 6:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3I6C1j27823 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:12:01 +0100 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3I6Bwi27820 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:11:58 +0100 Received: from pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:08:38 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net (unverified [62.30.150.50]) by pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Somewhat chaotic Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 18/04/2002 00:46, you wrote: > > Peter Gaunt wrote: > >>>> Nice idea, Anthony and in a perfect world it'd work fine and would be >>>> the way I'd prefer to work too. However, RiScript doesn't honour the >>>> cropping. > > Would it be possible for someone to write an applet to crop a picture > within its frame? ie. after you've positioned the picture within the > frame, you click a button and all the picture information that falls > outside the frame border is deleted? Currently I drop the file into > !AnonymousImageEditor and crop it in there, but that's a time-consuming > process. Surely similar code can be squeezed into !OPro. If such an applet could be written it would be fine for rectangular frames. For other shapes though further measures would need to be taken, such as retaining stuff outside the frame but making it transparent. It's an interesting suggestion though and one which I hope someone can work on. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 13:42:07 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164633 for opro ; Thu, 18 Apr 102 13:42:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019117705:20:07899:169; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:15:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124482; 18 Apr 2002 8:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3I8Hai28142 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:17:36 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3I8HWi28139 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:17:33 +0100 Received: from study ([62.252.188.30]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020418081412.MVQG29981.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@study> for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:14:12 +0100 From: "Colin McQueen" To: Subject: RE: Re Fills disappearing Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:18:00 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <164564@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Doesn't all this stuff with fill, point at something fundamental >just an idea but for example using an old version of the fill >applet with a new version of the program, or vice versa. >It is a shortcoming but not all fill applets will work with all >program versions, and there is no code to enforce this. OK I will do an audit of my room (25 workstations) We have an automatic upgrade system that works across the net but perhaps something wasn't done. ..... darn You're updating both sites at the moment ... What are the latest versions of OvPro and Fill? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 13:12:32 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164677 for opro ; Fri, 19 Apr 102 13:12:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019174827:20:29944:64; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:07:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029699; 19 Apr 2002 0:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3J09kS30297 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:09:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3J09ii30294 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:09:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16yLur-0000ye-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:06:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:35:32 GMT Message-Id: <164647@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Re Fills disappearing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What are the latest versions of OvPro and Fill? Before the web sites were turned off, OP was 2.66 and Fill 1.07. Because of the mix/match issues 2.66 comes with a copy of the matching Fill in the archive. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 13:12:34 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164678 for opro ; Fri, 19 Apr 102 13:12:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019174827:20:29961:59; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:07:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029697; 19 Apr 2002 0:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3J09rD30303 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:09:53 +0100 Received: from mail.wave.co.nz (IDENT:root@mail.wave.co.nz [203.96.216.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3I5Zti27742 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:35:55 +0100 Received: from albion (p108.hn1.wave.co.nz [203.96.192.108]) by mail.wave.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16586 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:32:30 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: K Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:00:32 +1200 Subject: A rose by any other ... (Was RE: PDF creation) Message-ID: <4b28e6d36easgard@wave.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 18 Apr, Liam Creighton wrote: > As for the unfortunate nomenclature of a certain piece of image > manipulation software - how about following the Prince school of logic > and renaming it with a squiggle or an abstract shape? It'd get some > attention, maybe... > Other than that, my 2p's worth on the name game... Perhaps "Lucid" might > work as a blanket name for all DP's stuff. So we could have LucidDTP or > LucidIM. I've always found DP's software clear and easy to use, lucid, > you could say. What we need then is a program which could be called something like Image Text Yet (the last word meaning to cast or pour) - the resulting full name is then, of course - lucidity! > Of course, if we were to re-name all software according to the > user's quality of experience, the same page of my dictionary offers > the perfect word for M$Word: lumpen. Oh! I had thought to use msg (the stuff they put in food to enhance taste but which does nothing at all really!). Keith -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 13:12:54 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164685 for opro ; Fri, 19 Apr 102 13:12:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019198516:10:24160:60; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 06:41:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023775; 19 Apr 2002 6:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3J6haD31161 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:43:36 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3J6hXi31158 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:43:33 +0100 Received: from [62.188.137.1] (helo=62.188.137.1) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16yS3h-0001jz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:39:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:21:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Re Fills disappearing Message-ID: <4b297d13eerobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <164647@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <164647@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <164647@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >What are the latest versions of OvPro and Fill? > Before the web sites were turned off, OP was 2.66 and Fill 1.07. > Because of the mix/match issues 2.66 comes with a copy of the matching > Fill in the archive. > David Pilling Are you sure? I seem to have OP 2.66 and Fill 1.08. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 13:13:16 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164687 for opro ; Fri, 19 Apr 102 13:13:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019206427:10:15274:137; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:53:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016346; 19 Apr 2002 8:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3J8sXn31456 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:54:33 +0100 Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3J8sTi31453 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:54:29 +0100 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (unknown [212.62.81.178]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B5371707D16 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:50:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:50:25 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 19 Apr 2002 10:50:24 +0200 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:50:23 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Re Fills disappearing Message-ID: <37b18a294b.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <164647@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <164647@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <164647@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >What are the latest versions of OvPro and Fill? > > Before the web sites were turned off, OP was 2.66 and Fill 1.07. > I happen to have Fill 1.08, will I have to come back from the future? Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 14:06:53 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164699 for opro ; Fri, 19 Apr 102 14:06:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019221812:10:22655:118; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:10:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023257; 19 Apr 2002 13:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3JDD8q32135 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:13:08 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3JDD6i32132 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:13:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16yY8R-000J8K-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:09:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:15:06 GMT Message-Id: <164667@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Re Fills disappearing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 23:47:29 2002 Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (mail.concepts.nl [213.197.30.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3IMlTi30103 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:47:29 +0100 Received: from smtp-2.concepts.nl (smtp-2.concepts.nl [213.197.30.52]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g3IMikZo014366 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:44:46 +0200 Received: from xatnlwww.concepts.nl (ict.18.40.concepts.nl [213.197.2.40]) by smtp-2.concepts.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id BAA17820 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:42:02 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp-2.concepts.nl: Host ict.18.40.concepts.nl [213.197.2.40] claimed to be xatnlwww.concepts.nl Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:47:41 GMT From: Paul Reuvers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Losing embedded frames Message-ID: <4f8353294b.ovation@xatnl001.horizon.nl> References: <164612@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <164612@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <164612@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > You're quite right about the problems - sorry. > > I'm a bit surprised because there's been much chat about > the problems of making embedded frames too big forcing > them to vanish. I'm wondering if this is a new bug. > > I did manage to get one lost frame back by adding a page > (clearly OP should have auto generated a page for it). The problem is that if the frame is too wide, it won't fit on any page. I remember having seen the problem in Impression in the early days, causing an unlimited amount of pages being created, eventually crashing the machine. Perhaps the easiest solution would be to crop the frame if it doesn't fit anywhere and generate a warning. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 14:06:56 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164700 for opro ; Fri, 19 Apr 102 14:06:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019221812:10:22842:118; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:10:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102021; 19 Apr 2002 13:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3JDCjA32129 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:12:45 +0100 Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (mail.concepts.nl [213.197.30.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3IMlUi30107 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:47:30 +0100 Received: from smtp-2.concepts.nl (smtp-2.concepts.nl [213.197.30.52]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g3IMilZo014372 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:44:47 +0200 Received: from xatnlwww.concepts.nl (ict.18.40.concepts.nl [213.197.2.40]) by smtp-2.concepts.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id BAA17823 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:42:04 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp-2.concepts.nl: Host ict.18.40.concepts.nl [213.197.2.40] claimed to be xatnlwww.concepts.nl Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:50:58 GMT From: Paul Reuvers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Wrong chapter number Message-ID: <48d053294b.ovation@xatnl001.horizon.nl> References: <164612@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <164612@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: X-Ample Technology bv User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R If I want to delete a chapter, OPro sometimes gets the chapter number wrong and deletes the wrong chapter. Create a document with 4 chapters. Place the cursor in chapter 2 and try to delete it. It will seek for confirmation the delete chapter 1 instead. The same happens in the masterpage window. Place the cursor in the masterpage for chapter 2 and check the Info window. It may report the wrong chapter. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 21:12:01 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164707 for opro ; Fri, 19 Apr 102 21:11:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019225098:20:12322:67; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:04:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113141; 19 Apr 2002 14:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3JE73Q32371 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:07:03 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3JE6vi32365 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:07:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16yYyA-000P0Q-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:02:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:19:26 GMT Message-Id: <164695@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Re Fills disappearing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I happen to have Fill 1.08, will I have to come back from the future? 2.66 as supplied in the upgrade archive came with Fill 1.07. Fill 1.08 was supplied separately on the web site applets section around October 2001. As I said here at the time >As you may have read here in recent weeks, this fixes a problem >with printing to Spacetech (Photodesk) printer drivers. >If you're not using these drivers there is nothing to gain from >upgrading. So 2.66 should be happy with Fill 1.07 or 1.08. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 21:12:02 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164708 for opro ; Fri, 19 Apr 102 21:12:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019232507:10:06492:137; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:08:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102362; 19 Apr 2002 16:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3JGAXG00354 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:10:33 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3JGAVi00351 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:10:31 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host62-7-163-82.webport.bt.net [62.7.163.82]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g3JG7w114425 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:07:59 GMT Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:54:07 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wrong chapter number Message-ID: <10feab294b.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: <164612@pilling.demon.co.uk> <48d053294b.ovation@xatnl001.horizon.nl> In-Reply-To: <48d053294b.ovation@xatnl001.horizon.nl> X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48d053294b.ovation@xatnl001.horizon.nl> you wrote: > If I want to delete a chapter, OPro sometimes > gets the chapter number wrong and deletes the > wrong chapter. Create a document with 4 chapters. > Place the cursor in chapter 2 and try to delete it. > It will seek for confirmation the delete chapter 1 > instead. > > The same happens in the masterpage window. Place the > cursor in the masterpage for chapter 2 and check > the Info window. It may report the wrong chapter. > I think this is related to a problem I had earlier re cut and paste of chapters. It id not where the caret is which matters but what is visible in the bottom left-hand corner of the screen. Unticking View facing pages can help to ensure the right chapter is referred to. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 20 01:09:17 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164721 for opro ; Sat, 20 Apr 102 01:09:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019250585:20:26972:55; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:09:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025813; 19 Apr 2002 21:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3JLBkm00987 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:11:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3JLBii00984 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:11:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16yfbz-000Cyf-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:08:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:10:22 GMT Message-Id: <164703@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wrong chapter number X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I want to delete a chapter, OPro sometimes >gets the chapter number wrong and deletes the The obvious explanation here is the old one about the chapter number displayed at the bottom of the window not being the chapter with the caret in. Its the page/chapter nearest the centre of the window. Now this is the opposite way to how e.g. Impression works. Whilst it has the problem you highlight, it is much better than the Impression approach when you start scrolling through documents using the scroll bar. And there's a bug fix for a related problem on the way in 2.67. (don't you all like waiting for solicitors...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 23 20:40:07 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164786 for opro ; Tue, 23 Apr 102 20:40:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019473965:10:01728:82; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:12:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001462; 22 Apr 2002 11:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3MB0mg07734 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:00:48 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3MB0ji07730 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:00:46 +0100 Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16zbTJ-000Ji3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:55:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:52:27 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Talibard Subject: styles in S/R To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forgive me if I am asking something obvious, but because I have tended for years to do my search/replace operations in Edit, I have never learnt this:- How do I include style indications in Ovation's search and replace thingy? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 23 20:41:04 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164791 for opro ; Tue, 23 Apr 102 20:41:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019475499:10:15739:73; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:38:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014737; 22 Apr 2002 11:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3MBf6W07904 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:41:06 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3MBf3i07900 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:41:03 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3MBao703667 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:36:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from trevor ([137.205.186.55]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g3MBand21730 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:36:50 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: styles in S/R Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:36:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Forgive me if I am asking something obvious, but because > I have tended for years to do my search/replace operations > in Edit, I have never learnt this:- > > How do I include style indications in Ovation's search and > replace thingy? I believe that you can't unless you use the !SRWE applet: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applets.html#srwe Cheers, Nick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 23 20:42:14 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164801 for opro ; Tue, 23 Apr 102 20:42:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019589789:20:01887:74; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:23:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110052; 23 Apr 2002 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3NJOWx11849 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:24:32 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3NJOTi11846 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:24:29 +0100 Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1705pZ-000Lr4-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:20:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:18:38 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Talibard Subject: RE: Interword loader? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all, This is a long shot - but I have a friend who, believe it or not, was using Interword until last week! She has back-up copies of Interword files she needs, but can't load them in because of I'm-not-sure-exactly-what hardware colllapse. So is there an Interword loader for Ovation? Or a longer route via Impression, or whatever? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 23 22:37:59 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164849 for opro ; Tue, 23 Apr 102 22:37:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019595024:10:07121:56; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:50:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006948; 23 Apr 2002 20:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3NKsD012159 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:54:13 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3NKsBi12156 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:54:11 +0100 Received: from Rpc ([80.2.252.14]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020423204942.KUSQ29761.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@Rpc> for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:49:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:49:33 +0100 From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Interword loader? Message-ID: <9de0db2b4b.jms@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Michael Talibard wrote: > > Dear all, > > This is a long shot - but I have a friend who, believe it or not, > was using Interword until last week! She has back-up copies > of Interword files she needs, but can't load them in because > of I'm-not-sure-exactly-what hardware colllapse. > > So is there an Interword loader for Ovation? > Or a longer route via Impression, or whatever? > > -- Michael Talibard There is a loader for Interword files for Impression Style. but if you drop them into Edit/StrongEd/Zap you will find the text at the bottom of the page,this is fairly easy to cut and paste to a modern word processor App and reformat. -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead Risc OS User Group www.hhrug.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 24 01:19:38 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164854 for opro ; Wed, 24 Apr 102 01:19:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019601305:10:13041:60; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:35:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129961; 23 Apr 2002 22:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3NMd3t12429 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:39:03 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3NKHfi12063 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:17:41 +0100 Received: from [62.188.150.149] (helo=62.188.150.149) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1706eb-0002dx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:12:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John McCartney To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:08:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Interword loader? Message-ID: <4b2bd81442johnmc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 23 Apr, Michael Talibard wrote: > So is there an Interword loader for Ovation? > Or a longer route via Impression, or whatever? There's definitely one via Impression, so long as the LoadIWord is in the Auto directory. John -- John McCartney johnmc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 24 14:02:29 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164891 for opro ; Wed, 24 Apr 102 14:02:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019655833:20:00185:67; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:43:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000086; 24 Apr 2002 13:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3ODjAO14219 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:45:10 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (frogger.freedom2.net [213.161.67.203] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3ODj8i14216 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:45:08 +0100 Received: from [62.188.133.11] (helo=oramj.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 170N03-0000XS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:40:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:28:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "John E.D. Oram" Subject: RE: Interword loader? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Oram, Sheffield, + 44 0114 2663910 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 23 Apr, Michael Talibard wrote: > > > Dear all, > > This is a long shot - but I have a friend who, believe it or not, > was using Interword until last week! She has back-up copies > of Interword files she needs, but can't load them in because > of I'm-not-sure-exactly-what hardware colllapse. > > So is there an Interword loader for Ovation? > Or a longer route via Impression, or whatever? > > -- Michael Talibard Hi Michael, As an ex-fan of Interword who long ago went down the road of Impression !Publisher and eventually OvationPro, I have hunted back and found in my Impression directory a sub-directory "Extensions" within which is "LoadIWord". This used to do the trick of loading into Impression, but whether it works under more up-to-date OS conditions remains to be seen. I can easily attach a copy if your friend needs it ( it's only 1,068 bytes so won't hold up your downloading). Let me know if I can help. John. -- John Oram, John Oram & Associates - Psychotherapy Centre, 13 Rustlings Rd, Sheffield, S.Yorks, England. S11 7AA + 44 0114 2663910 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 24 18:57:13 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164898 for opro ; Wed, 24 Apr 102 18:57:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019668256:20:14197:59; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:10:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012353; 24 Apr 2002 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3OHDrN14755 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:13:53 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3O9Roi13623 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:27:50 +0100 Received: from du-004-0154.freeuk.com ([212.126.149.154] helo=localhost) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 170IzV-0004CX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:23:09 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:26:43 +0100 From: Michael Binns To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #852 Message-ID: <4cb41b2c4b.mbinns@freeuk.com> References: <200204231926.g3NJQXK11860@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200204231926.g3NJQXK11860@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: Hadrian's Wall Heritage Tours User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > So is there an Interword loader for Ovation? > Or a longer route via Impression, or whatever? > > -- Michael Talibard > Impression loads Interword Files smoothly, as CC wrote both applications! I used this route once many years ago for a student. With Impression comes a Loader called LoadIWord (date-stamped 11 Mar 1991 !) Shift-double-click Impression and put LoadIWord in the Auto directory. Then reload Impression. Any InterWord files must have their file-types set at D80, before the Impression Loader will recognise them. This can be done in batches quickly with "Select All". Having dropped them all one by one into Impression, you can save them out one by one and then drop them one by one into OP, which after all this long period of use sounds likely to be a long tedious job! Michael Binns -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_| |_| | | |_| |_| | | |_| |_| | | |_| |_| | | |______| |______| |______| | ~~~| H A D R I A N'S W A L L H E R I T A G E T O U R S |~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 26 00:15:56 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164931 for opro ; Fri, 26 Apr 102 00:15:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019764792:10:08080:70; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:59:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109068; 25 Apr 2002 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3PK0px18182 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:00:52 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3P9Yji16833 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:34:45 +0100 Received: from modem-180.oregon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.88.180] helo=drood68) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 170fZc-00060Q-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:29:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: Ovation Pro mailing list Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:25:49 +0100 Subject: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just reinstalled the !Clipbrds applet (v1.13) and it has promptly reminded me why I uninstalled it last time. With OvPro 2.66 about two out of three attempts to use the clipboard manager cause the program to crash. I seem to remember that there was some advice published on avoiding this problem but so far searches of the CD archive have revealed nothing. Is there a fix, or should I remove the applet and be content with a single clipboard? -- Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 26 00:16:04 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164934 for opro ; Fri, 26 Apr 102 00:15:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019769417:20:07108:78; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:16:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119663; 25 Apr 2002 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3PLK6A18394 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:20:06 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.72]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3PLK4i18391 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:20:04 +0100 Received: from [62.64.221.60] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 170qZW-000NEn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:14:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Ovation Pro mailing list Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:15:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk>, Brian Jordan wrote: > I have just reinstalled the !Clipbrds applet (v1.13) and it has promptly > reminded me why I uninstalled it last time. With OvPro 2.66 about two out > of three attempts to use the clipboard manager cause the program to > crash. I seem to remember that there was some advice published on > avoiding this problem but so far searches of the CD archive have revealed > nothing. Is there a fix, or should I remove the applet and be content > with a single clipboard? That's weird. I've had the Clipbrds Applet installed for ages, configured to Four Clipboards, I've not had a single problem with it that I can recall. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 26 13:09:46 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164946 for opro ; Fri, 26 Apr 102 13:09:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019810975:20:09365:67; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:49:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114785; 26 Apr 2002 8:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3Q8qZg19687 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:52:35 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3Q8qWi19684 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:52:32 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.139]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020426083814.YVDC29981.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:38:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:41:08 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <2dc7e22c4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In a previous message, Brian Jordan wrote: > I have just reinstalled the !Clipbrds applet (v1.13) and it has promptly > reminded me why I uninstalled it last time. With OvPro 2.66 about two out > of three attempts to use the clipboard manager cause the program to > crash. I've not found this a problem - is it perhaps a clash with something else? You can still use the multiple clipboards, though - my applet just makes it more convenient to do so! DP supplied simple macro commands for stepping through the boards in sequence. HTH, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 26 17:09:17 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164964 for opro ; Fri, 26 Apr 102 17:09:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019833652:20:04484:100; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:07:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116239; 26 Apr 2002 15:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3QFAW220690 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:10:32 +0100 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3QD8Ni20311 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:08:24 +0100 Received: from modem-29.north-dakota.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.85.29] helo=drood68) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1715Nf-0007MW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:03:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: Ovation Pro mailing list Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:46:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <4b2d3b3052brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b2cf76c7fbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b2cf76c7fbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Dec 2001) [TEST 8], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 26 Apr, brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > In article <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > [Snip] > > That's weird. > > I've had the Clipbrds Applet installed for ages, configured to Four > > Clipboards, I've not had a single problem with it that I can recall. [Snip massive red herring about a fix] Having apparently fixed the problem last evening it appeared again today so, in the light of John Pettigrew's suggestion that it might be a clash, I have investigated further. My conclusion is that the facts that I clip whole frames, rather than just the contents, and that I keep the clipboard manager open all the time highlight a small feature of the clipboard manager which isn't very obvious. Whereas the problem has been intermittent, presumably because I don't follow the same method every time, what follows is 100% repeatable here (OvnPro 2.66 with Clipbrds 1.13). 1. Remove all applets except Clipbrds from the directory in order to ensure there is no possibility of a clash with another applet. (I know double clicking renders them inoperative but I wanted to be absolutely sure.) 2. Create a new document and in it, a small text frame into which you type some text. 3. Cut the frame to a clipboard and close and save the document, leaving the clipboard viewer open. 4. Re-open the document and click on 'Paste' in the clipboard manager. This produces a 'Type 5' crash every time. -- Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 26 17:09:26 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164967 for opro ; Fri, 26 Apr 102 17:09:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019838631:20:03311:143; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:30:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112197; 26 Apr 2002 16:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3QGY9F21047 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:34:09 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3QGY6i21044 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:34:06 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.139]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020426162901.TDFX28297.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:29:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:28:58 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <04874f2d4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b2cf76c7fbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2d3b3052brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <5f0a4f2d4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> In-Reply-To: <5f0a4f2d4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous message, John Pettigrew wrote: > In a previous message, Brian Jordan wrote: > > > what follows is 100% repeatable here (OvnPro 2.66 with Clipbrds 1.13). > [snip procedure] > > Hmmm. I can verify that this also causes crashes here. Oh, and as an interesting point, it only crashes if you reopen the same document. If you open a different document, there is no crash when I try to paste. However, if you then open the original document again, it crashes, even though there has been a second document open since it was saved and the frame pasted perfectly well into that second document! Most odd. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 27 00:57:33 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164970 for opro ; Sat, 27 Apr 102 00:57:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019834447:10:27386:71; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:20:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128832; 26 Apr 2002 15:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3QFAWp20691 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:10:32 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3Q0WJi18796 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:32:19 +0100 Received: from modem-234.south-carolina.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.91.234] helo=drood68) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 170ta5-0004GH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:27:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: Ovation Pro mailing list Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:26:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <4b2cf76c7fbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > That's weird. > I've had the Clipbrds Applet installed for ages, configured to Four > Clipboards, I've not had a single problem with it that I can recall. Well, I have fixed the problem but I am not sure how! I discovered that OPro was 'type 5'ing when I attempted to paste from one of the clipboards back in to the same document whereas export via the clipboard to a fresh document was fine. In General choices, 'Global clipboard' was ticked so I unticked it, saved the choices and the problem went away. Reselecting 'Global clipboard' and saving reintroduced the problem and I was able to reverse this process several times with entirely predictable results. At this point I ticked 'Save buffer' and the problem went away whether 'Global clipboard' was ticked or not. Thinking I had solved the mystery I unticked 'Save buffer' expecting to reintroduce the problem but no, it is now fine with 'Global clipboard' ticked and 'Save buffer' unticked. If I had been to the pub tonight I would put it down to that - but I haven't. So a corrupt choices file somewhere that has been fixed by rewriting it maybe? -- Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 27 00:57:37 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164972 for opro ; Sat, 27 Apr 102 00:57:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019838351:10:12544:154; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:25:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121386; 26 Apr 2002 16:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3QGTBL21014 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:29:11 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3QGT9i21011 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:29:09 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.139]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020426162403.SYEB28297.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:24:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:23:39 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <5f0a4f2d4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b2cf76c7fbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2d3b3052brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b2d3b3052brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous message, Brian Jordan wrote: > what follows is 100% repeatable here (OvnPro 2.66 with Clipbrds 1.13). [snip procedure] Hmmm. I can verify that this also causes crashes here. However, the simple expedient of clicking in the newly opened file before pasting prevents the crash. It only occurs when the object that's been pasted is a frame, not with text. Also, creating a new document doesn't cause crashes on pasting. All this suggests to me that the clipboard is treating text objects differently to frame objects. Might it be related to the use of the global clipboard protocol? Also, it suggests that the state of the clipboard is changed somehow when a newly opened document has the caret rather than just when it has the input focus. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 27 00:58:00 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA164977 for opro ; Sat, 27 Apr 102 00:57:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019854422:10:02068:68; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:53:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001683; 26 Apr 2002 20:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3QKuoE21699 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:56:50 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.112.73]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3QKuli21696 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:56:47 +0100 Received: from [62.64.206.164] (helo=tiscali) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 171CbV-000EPG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:46:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Ovation Pro mailing list Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:27:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <4b2d5a5b43dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4b2d3b3052brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4b2ca4f35dbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net> <4b2cf76c7fbrian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> < User-Agent: Pluto/2.04b (RISC-OS/4.28) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b2d3b3052brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk>, Brian Jordan wrote: > On 26 Apr, brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > > In article <4b2ce5f072dfs@ukgateway.net>, > > Dave Symes wrote: > > [Snip] > > > That's weird. > > > I've had the Clipbrds Applet installed for ages, configured to Four > > > Clipboards, I've not had a single problem with it that I can recall. > [Snip massive red herring about a fix] > Having apparently fixed the problem last evening it appeared again today > so, in the light of John Pettigrew's suggestion that it might be a > clash, I have investigated further. My conclusion is that the facts that > I clip whole frames, rather than just the contents, and that I keep the > clipboard manager open all the time highlight a small feature of the > clipboard manager which isn't very obvious. Whereas the problem has been > intermittent, presumably because I don't follow the same method every > time, what follows is 100% repeatable here (OvnPro 2.66 with Clipbrds > 1.13). > 1. Remove all applets except Clipbrds from the > directory in order to ensure there is no possibility of a clash with > another applet. (I know double clicking renders them inoperative but I > wanted to be absolutely sure.) > 2. Create a new document and in it, a > small text frame into which you type some text. > 3. Cut the frame to a > clipboard and close and save the document, leaving the clipboard viewer > open. > 4. Re-open the document and click on 'Paste' in the clipboard > manager. This produces a 'Type 5' crash every time. That is interesting Brian, but it doesn't happen here, and I've tried it quite a few times... The only way I can use the Clip manager to Type=5 OvPro is to Click on Paste when there is *no* document open. Sorry I can't offer any useful thoughts. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 19:07:00 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165023 for opro ; Tue, 30 Apr 102 19:06:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1019922145:10:09385:61; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:42:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104135; 27 Apr 2002 15:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3RFke923737 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:46:40 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3RFkci23734 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:46:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 171UK7-000Kdf-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:41:19 +0100 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:41:58 GMT Message-Id: <165020@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard manager X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This trouble... is it due to the clipboard manager not keeping track of the 'current document'. Most functions implicitly assume a current document. Now that is set up when ever you click on the button bar or a menu. Clicking elsewhere then has a potential snag. Many applets have to track the current doc, looking at doc close and open events. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 19:12:37 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA165051 for opro ; Tue, 30 Apr 102 19:12:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1020070256:20:02240:56; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:50:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110827; 29 Apr 2002 8:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3T8p0L28220 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:51:00 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3T8ovi28217 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:50:58 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([80.2.246.139]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020429084517.MIUW20036.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:45:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:45:06 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Clipboard manager Message-ID: <4391b02e4b.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: <165020@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <165020@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00bS) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > This trouble... is it due to the clipboard manager not keeping > track of the 'current document'. Could be - I didn't do any "current document" stuff in there. OK, I've checked, and the crash is caused by the "setcurrentclipboard()" command. However, I am puzzled by the very specific nature of the crash - only when the *same* document is reopened, not when a different document is reopened. I don't see why the crash would occur under this very specific set of circumstances (same doc reopened either immediately or after a different doc is worked on, and only before the doc gains the caret) if the applet was to blame. However, given that I know little about the inner workings of OvPro, I might well be wrong! Perhaps we should have a little chat by email? John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - contract and freelance editing Biology specialist Molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ PGP public key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message