From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 1 14:14:41 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161233 for opro ; Fri, 01 Feb 102 14:14:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012531759:10:07707:62; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 02:49:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007600; 1 Feb 2002 2:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g112nev02329 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:49:40 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g112ncR02326 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:49:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16WThd-000Hsr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:45:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 01:54:23 GMT Message-Id: <161227@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Any idea what the problem could be and why Arcfax seems interested in an >HTML file? At which point you can be sure I wish I hadn't started this. Mr. beenz@waitrose.com is certainly sharpening his fingers to write of my sloth in not fixing bugs. The 'ArcFax' stuff is a bug of mine, its because the '!server' file which is in most transloaders set off as a copy of ArcFax which I edited a bit. I didn't edit it enough obviously. The newer filters have a later version in which gives the right title when raising an error. If this worries you then you can copy a !server across. As to TransHTML, I now recall what was once pointed out to me, it creates a file $.out, something to do with debug code. Bad news, it doesn't look like TransHTML is much help. Good news, its written in Basic so it could be tweeked. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 1 14:14:45 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161234 for opro ; Fri, 01 Feb 102 14:14:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012558416:20:07267:182; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:13:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009218; 1 Feb 2002 10:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g11AGgk03261 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:16:42 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11AGeR03258 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:16:40 GMT Received: from [62.188.138.36] (helo=62.188.138.36) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WajI-0003dv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:15:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:05:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b01efaaeedavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161227@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161227@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <161227@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > As to TransHTML, I now recall what was once pointed out to me, it > creates a file $.out, something to do with debug code. Bad news, it > doesn't look like TransHTML is much help. Good news, its written in > Basic so it could be tweeked. Yes = it does seem to create a file called $.out - line 30 shows this. There seem to be lots of other issues that need looking at with it. Its also worth noting that it does nothing with table commands so I suspect that even if it was working the layout of most sites would be very suspect,,, Are people wanting formatted text or formatted pages from it? David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Author IdxPro,Newframe,WordWrks and Labeller | | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 1 14:15:57 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161240 for opro ; Fri, 01 Feb 102 14:15:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012554065:10:11487:90; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:01:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012143; 1 Feb 2002 9:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g11948x03051 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:04:08 GMT Received: from fisher.vip.uk.com (fisher.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11945R03048 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:04:05 GMT Received: from modem-203-46-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.46.203] helo=localhost) by fisher.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16WZXy-0005mj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:59:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:58:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b01e40abarod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b01b190bfrayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b01b190bfrayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b01b190bfrayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > I just tried installing the !TransHTML converter from the OP CD > but when I drag an HTML file to an OP window I get an error > message from ArcFax 'File could not be converted'. > ArcFax isn't actually running, but is in my Apps folder and gets > booted. !TransHTML is in Boot:Resources. > Any idea what the problem could be and why Arcfax seems > interested in an HTML file? This is very similar to my own query in the thread html to OvationP. I have (now) tried !TransHTML from the CD but have never got it to work even once! I, too, got the ArcFax error message once or twice but more often 'cannot convert this file'. Is there a way of getting !transHTML to work? -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 1 21:32:09 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161260 for opro ; Fri, 01 Feb 102 21:32:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012586393:10:22299:1172; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:59:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020821; 1 Feb 2002 16:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g11GNR604033 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:23:27 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GNOR04030 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:23:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16WgP0-000O8Z-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:19:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:11:53 GMT Message-Id: <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >There seem to be lots of other issues that need looking at with it. Its >also worth noting that it does nothing with table commands so I suspect >that even if it was working the layout of most sites would be very >suspect,,, All conversions are going to leave someone unhappy. On TransHTML... its tricky to start hacking at it when it is someone elses program. Now if Levens have departed the field, it would be worth sorting, even with limitations. Maybe there is a better version on their web site? I'm not aware how active they are with their RISC OS stuff these days. I guess HTML and Word filters are essential for the future, just how they come to be is open to debate. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 2 13:59:44 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161268 for opro ; Sat, 02 Feb 102 13:59:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012603250:20:12959:59; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:40:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012917; 1 Feb 2002 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g11Mhuh04949 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:43:56 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GmSR04112 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:48:28 GMT Received: from [62.188.143.157] (helo=62.188.143.157) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WgqP-00047f-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:47:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. D.M. Wells) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:29:16 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.33 for RISC OS 4.04 Subject: Re: OPro - suddenly a problem Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Jan 2002 (17:20:14), owner-ovationpro-digest@lists.barnet.ac.uk wrote: > It was after altering FontFS I got the crash, I assumed a > corrupted FontFS partition caused this, as OPro could not > redraw the window when I changed from Homerton to a new > font and then froze the machine. > > So I stopped using FontFS and created two new !Font folders, > just in case, someone said that FDPro uses D Format for it's > partition which RO4 does not support ? > I've recently bought new Kinetic RISCPC (OS 4.04), and tried to transfer FontDirectory from my old OS 3.7 RISCPC. This caused machine to freeze: I tried many times to contact Look Systems (answerphone OK, but no further response) so am now happily running without FontFS at all. Re !Printers, I always used 1.53 on my old machine for PostScript, as 1.54 was bust. I now use 1.64a for PS without problems (so far). Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 2 13:59:50 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161271 for opro ; Sat, 02 Feb 102 13:59:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012651610:20:08837:63; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:06:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008960; 2 Feb 2002 12:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g12CAEN06394 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:10:14 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12CABR06391 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:10:11 GMT Received: from modem-1166.beedrill.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.36.142] helo=jwells24.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16WyvD-0006c4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:05:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:01:11 GMT From: Malcolm Wells To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro - suddenly a problem Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue 29 Jan 2002 (17:20:14), owner-ovationpro-digest@lists.barnet.ac.uk > wrote: > > It was after altering FontFS I got the crash, I assumed a > > corrupted FontFS partition caused this, as OPro could not > > redraw the window when I changed from Homerton to a new > > font and then froze the machine. > > > > So I stopped using FontFS and created two new !Font folders, > > just in case, someone said that FDPro uses D Format for it's > > partition which RO4 does not support ? > > > I've recently bought new Kinetic RISCPC (OS 4.04), and tried to transfer > FontDirectory from my old OS 3.7 RISCPC. This caused machine to freeze: I tried > many times to contact Look Systems (answerphone OK, but no further response) so > am now happily running without FontFS at all. Re !Printers, I always used 1.53 > on my old machine for PostScript, as 1.54 was bust. I now use 1.64a for PS > without problems (so far). > Denys Wells. Font FS is protected to operate only on the machine it is first installed on. When I changed from A3000 to RiscPC I had to obtain a password to from Look Systems to install it onto the RiscPC and promise to remove it from the A3000. -- Malcolm Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:07:13 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161284 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:06:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012681696:10:17033:73; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:28:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102045; 2 Feb 2002 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g12KWEX07438 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:32:14 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12KWBR07435 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:32:11 GMT Received: from modem-2398.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.89.94] helo=westonontrent.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16X6l6-0007ri-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:27:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry T To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:27:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: html to OvationP? Message-ID: <4b02a6f419Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b01987e68rod@argonet.co.uk> References: <161193@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b01987e68rod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g12KWCR07436 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b01987e68rod@argonet.co.uk>, rod a wrote: > In article <161193@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > For HTML import, look at the TransHTML filter in the > > Levens directory on the CD. > How stupid I am! I thought I had gone through ever file on the > CD. I think I was beguiled by the HTML Pro in the same > directory and never saw the TransHTML. > Having found it, I can't get it to work, though. It refuses to > load any one of 20 different HTML files I have tried. > Am I doing something wrong? I have loaded this filter to where > I keep the other filters and clicked on it before trying to > either drag an HTML file onto the OvPro icon or into an > OvPro window. Neither does anything except produce various > different error messages usually 'file cannot be converted'. You're not doing anything wrong, it is just that the Leven's software is a pile of P**! My way, which I suppose is expensive by reason of the cost of the software, is to drop HTML files into Easi/Techwriter then do a little tidy up, then print. IHTH. > I would guess I must be doing something wrong - I didn't check > all the 20 HTML files with HTML>Imp or UnHTML but I tried some > and they worked. I wonder if anyone might be able to point me > in the right direction. -- Cheerio Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:07:57 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161286 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:07:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012683042:10:26312:78; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:50:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026747; 2 Feb 2002 20:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g12KsqZ07552 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:54:52 GMT Received: from spielberg.vip.uk.com (spielberg.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12KsoR07549 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:54:50 GMT Received: from modem-83-40-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.40.83] helo=localhost) by spielberg.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16X771-0003OE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:50:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:31:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: html to OvationP? Message-ID: <4b02a759d5rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b016a5e9crod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g12Ksqa07552 In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Thu 31 Jan, rod=A0a wrote: > snip some > > Question betraying yet more ignorance: > No. But do you have the !StylePal applet window open? > > When I do it by these latter methods I end up with a very long > > list of styles only two or three of which are actually used > > in the document- though one does not know which, except by > > trial and error. Is there a way round this? > Select all text (SC_A). Then see which styles are not used in the > StylePal window. > Delete the non-used styles. > Of course you must have the !StylePal applet installed within the > Applets directory. Thank you. Yes, I always use the brilliant !StylePal but I had not spotted this feature before. Very useful. --=20 /\ _ \ =20 |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| / / / \__\ |=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| / \_/\_/ /___) |=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:08:37 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161287 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:08:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012690155:10:15574:69; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 22:49:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014205; 2 Feb 2002 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g12MqRv07821 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:52:27 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12MqOR07818 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:52:24 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust108.tnt13.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.120.108] with SMTP for id XAA26700 (8.8.8/1.3); Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:47:17 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <028801c1ac3b$961808d0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <29549cff4a.tenu@uitleg.nl> <4b016a5e9crod@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: html to OvationP? Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:19:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 31 Jan, rod a wrote: > I have tried searching to see if this has been covered before > but no luck! I hope that this question is relevant to the list. > -------------------------- > > I find I often need to take an HTML page and want to print > it from OvationP. > > I can do it, of course, by saving text and then laboriously > reformatting the text and adding a few styles etc. But even > on a one page result this is tedious and I always seem to miss > something! > > The other approach is to use !HTML>Imp or !UnHTML to produce > a DDF file and then load it into OvP using a filter. This > often works but is rather clumsy. > > Is there a more direct method? When your browser support it, why not exporting as DrawFile? When it is too big (larger than A0), you can use !Vector (bundled with RO4). -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:10:22 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161291 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:10:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012720541:10:26829:186; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 07:15:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105739; 3 Feb 2002 7:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g137CGk08752 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:12:16 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g137CBR08749 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:12:11 GMT Received: from 53-1-049.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.66.49] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 16XGkK-0000dl-00 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 16:07:29 +0900 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:08:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Double spacing after a period To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? It may not be an applet, I suppose, but after upgrading to OvPro2.66 and adding several applets at the same time, I'm a bit fed up of cancelling the extra space by hand. TIA Ian P. -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:11:30 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161294 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:11:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012744863:10:04759:67; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 14:01:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003523; 3 Feb 2002 14:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g13E4Ue09669 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:04:30 GMT Received: from imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.179]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13E4RR09665 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:04:27 GMT Received: from modem-123.calcium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.19.123] helo=localhost) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16XNBH-0002Ri-00; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 13:59:43 +0000 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 13:03:49 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, In message Pete Margetts wrote: > In on Sun 03 Feb, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > > > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? I should apologise for butting in partway through the discussion, but I feel sure that the question of double-space after a full stop (which some folk prefer and others abominate) can be fixed with the excellent Fluff Applet, if you customise the script to suit your own requirements. This is quite easy, and I think is explained in the Applet. Best wishes, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:12:35 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161296 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:12:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012775672:10:05138:141; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:34:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026282; 3 Feb 2002 22:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g13MVR210729 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:31:27 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g13MVOR10726 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:31:24 GMT Received: (qmail 9657 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 22:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.222) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 22:26:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:25:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 03 Feb, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > In message > Pete Margetts wrote: > > > In on Sun 03 Feb, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? > > I should apologise for butting in partway through the discussion, but I > feel sure that the question of double-space after a full stop (which some > folk prefer and others abominate) can be fixed with the excellent Fluff > Applet, if you customise the script to suit your own requirements. This is > quite easy, and I think is explained in the Applet. Seems a funny way round - there is an applet adding the extra space as you type, then you run a separate applet to undo it. In my setup it is the !THe (As You Type on the Applets menu) applet which does it - and I undo its effect when typesetting but leave it when wordprocessing. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:17:41 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161307 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:17:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012849852:10:29750:396; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:10:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1003883; 4 Feb 2002 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g14JCs513434 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:12:54 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14JCpR13431 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:12:51 GMT Received: from [62.188.138.239] (helo=62.188.138.239) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16XoVy-0007tH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:10:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:53:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b03ab8d5fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > On TransHTML... its tricky to start hacking at it when it is someone > elses program. Now if Levens have departed the field, it would be worth > sorting, even with limitations. Maybe there is a better version on their > web site? I'm not aware how active they are with their RISC OS stuff > these days. The biggest issue when I last looked at file Input filters for OP was the lack of any table handling. So much HTML needs tables to look decent and without O/P doing the work you need a complete rendering engine (to calc font sizes and therefore frame sizes etc) to get any decent input. Any chance of some table code in OP, David? I will try and dust of my code and have another go (I guarantee that if I start then the code will be better than Levens attempt). I'll let the list know if I make any progress (time is tight and Palmlink/Organizer code needs writing) David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:21:52 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161321 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:21:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012677147:20:04863:82; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:12:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004783; 2 Feb 2002 19:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g12JEa807211 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:14:36 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12JEXR07208 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:14:33 GMT Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-18.spectraweb.ch [194.230.116.18]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id g12J9mM32649 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:09:48 +0100 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:53:23 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: html to OvationP? To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4b016a5e9crod@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g12JEYR07209 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g12JEa907211 On Thu 31 Jan, rod=A0a wrote: snip some > Question betraying yet more ignorance: No. But do you have the !StylePal applet window open? > When I do it by these latter methods I end up with a very long > list of styles only two or three of which are actually used > in the document- though one does not know which, except by > trial and error. Is there a way round this? Select all text (SC_A). Then see which styles are not used in the StylePal window. Delete the non-used styles. Of course you must have the !StylePal applet installed within the Applets directory. Greetings, JohnvV --=20 JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch =2E -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:22:10 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161327 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:22:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012732423:20:27751:65; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:33:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027733; 3 Feb 2002 10:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g13Abr709169 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:37:53 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13AbnR09166 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:37:49 GMT Received: from [62.188.134.122] (helo=62.188.134.122) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16XK0L-00024r-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:36:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:19:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period Message-ID: <4b02f32971steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian R. Platt wrote: > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? > It may not be an applet, I suppose, but after upgrading to OvPro2.66 and > adding several applets at the same time, I'm a bit fed up of cancelling > the extra space by hand. > TIA > Ian P. I think !THe can do this. Steve Y -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:22:13 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161328 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:22:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012734990:20:09859:59; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 11:16:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114339; 3 Feb 2002 11:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g13B4KI09299 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:04:20 GMT Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13B4GR09296 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:04:16 GMT Received: from [195.147.210.193] (helo=margetts.globalnet.co.uk) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 16XKMs-0005b4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:59:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:57:40 +0100 (BST) From: Pete Margetts Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 03 Feb, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? > > It may not be an applet, I suppose, but after upgrading to OvPro2.66 and > adding several applets at the same time, I'm a bit fed up of cancelling > the extra space by hand. That's one of the rules in !THe from R.J.E Thompson Quoting from !THe.Help... -- puts double spaces after commas and periods where you've only put one. (Note that the extra space is only put in if the punctuation mark is not preceded by a space; so . does /not/ expand to .. BUT... In the version history, this is also seen. 1.20 Punctuation which causes double spaces to be inserted now user-configurable; sentence final and clause final punctuation can be specified separately. (Sentence final markers must be followed by a capital to trigger spacing, clause final markers do not). Choices can be saved. I suppose this could be configured off if required. My version is 1.79 compatible with >= 2.48 HTH Regards Pete -- Pete Margetts An oasis of Kiwi Kulture in the English Desert! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 5 18:23:17 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161334 for opro ; Tue, 05 Feb 102 18:23:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012817460:20:12658:147; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:11:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118667; 4 Feb 2002 10:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g14ADrP12133 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:13:53 GMT Received: from mail-r2.hw.ac.uk (mail-r.hw.ac.uk [137.195.101.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14ADoR12130 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:13:50 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Xg3R-0007xI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:08:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:59:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b03752434C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.27) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanner: exiscan *16Xg3R-0007xI-00*Szimt8AjAuc* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <161256@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > On TransHTML... its tricky to start hacking at it when it is > someone elses program. Now if Levens have departed the field, it > would be worth sorting, even with limitations. Maybe there is a > better version on their web site? I'm not aware how active they are > with their RISC OS stuff these days. I actually tried their site last week, but there was no software pages at all, and the site itself was an abomination. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 13:55:03 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161362 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 13:55:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012952245:10:21348:910; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:37:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017527; 5 Feb 2002 23:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g15NThT16707 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:29:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13JbJR10369 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:37:19 GMT Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16XSNK-000Mdh-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:32:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 19:32:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period Message-ID: <4b0325c4bcdavid@pandda.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Pete Margetts wrote: > In on Sun 03 Feb, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? > > > > It may not be an applet, I suppose, but after upgrading to OvPro2.66 > > and adding several applets at the same time, I'm a bit fed up of > > cancelling the extra space by hand. Ah, but is it not now practice to include only one space? ISTR an article in the late lamented Risc User to that effect - the reasoning being that in these days of proportional spacing for all(!) we do not need the extra marker that a double space provided. David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 13:55:07 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161364 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 13:55:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012952337:10:21334:812; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:38:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001671; 5 Feb 2002 23:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g15Jlbi16217 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:47:37 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15JlYR16214 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:47:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16YBTw-0005OP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:42:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:40:35 GMT Message-Id: <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >tables in OP I'm waiting for Quark and Indesign to legitimise the idea 8-) Yes ideally in the future, when I move from doing the Win version to doing new stuff. The Win version could be a carrot of course - as long as your code will run on Win there's a potentially bigger audience for it. There's never any shortage of ideas for new things. Aside from tables the one I'm leaning to at the moment is direct PDF export. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 13:55:12 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161366 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 13:55:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012964242:10:13068:286; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 02:57:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128357; 6 Feb 2002 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g162xol17137 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:59:50 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g162xkR17134 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:59:47 GMT Received: from 54-1-77-055.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.77.55] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 16YIE7-0003tF-00 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:54:28 +0900 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:18:53 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4b0325c4bcdavid@pandda.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 03 Feb, David Crofts wrote: > > In article , > Pete Margetts wrote: > > In on Sun 03 Feb, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > > Does anyone know which applet causes a double space after a period? > > > > > > It may not be an applet, I suppose, but after upgrading to OvPro2.66 > > > and adding several applets at the same time, I'm a bit fed up of > > > cancelling the extra space by hand. > > Ah, but is it not now practice to include only one space? > ISTR an article in the late lamented Risc User to that effect - the > reasoning being that in these days of proportional spacing for all(!) we > do not need the extra marker that a double space provided. > > David Crofts > It is indeed, your Rev. That's why I wanted the single spaces. :-) Thanks, all sorted now: 'As-you-type' seems to be set with a default of a post-punc double space. But it's redeemable. Ian -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 13:55:17 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161368 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 13:55:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012979743:10:25229:62; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:15:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1025148; 6 Feb 2002 7:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g167KAW17679 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:20:10 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g167K1R17676 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:20:07 GMT Received: from modem-1643.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.86.107] helo=westonontrent.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16YMHx-0007rA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:14:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry T To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:14:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b046db59fBarry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >tables in OP > I'm waiting for Quark and Indesign to legitimise the idea 8-) > Yes ideally in the future, when I move from doing the Win version > to doing new stuff. Do you have a proposed release date David? > The Win version could be a carrot of course - as long as your code > will run on Win there's a potentially bigger audience for it. > There's never any shortage of ideas for new things. Aside from > tables the one I'm leaning to at the moment is direct PDF export. Now that idea is to be commended. > David Pilling -- Cheerio Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 13:55:21 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161370 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 13:55:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012979849:10:27088:80; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:17:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104806; 6 Feb 2002 7:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g167MCl17698 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:22:12 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g167MAR17695 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:22:10 GMT Received: from modem-1643.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.86.107] helo=westonontrent.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16YMK2-00085M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:16:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry T To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:16:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: RTF Output Message-ID: <4b046de805Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have been wondering if David Breakwell has made progress with the exporting of graphical images with his RTF export utility. -- Cheerio Barry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 22:13:26 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161374 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 22:13:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013003528:10:13214:95; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:52:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128476; 6 Feb 2002 13:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g16DtYF18594 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:55:34 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16DtWR18591 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:55:32 GMT Received: from [62.188.139.98] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YSVc-0004Ut-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:53:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:05:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: RTF Output Message-ID: <4b04726c7esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b046de805Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4b046de805Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b046de805Barry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk>, Barry T wrote: > I have been wondering if David Breakwell has made progress with the > exporting of graphical images with his RTF export utility. Slightly pre-occupied with another project just at the moment I think. Something for himself, but I think others will enjoy the benefits. Those not on the Organizer list might not know: Palm synch. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From davidb@argonet.co.uk Wed Feb 6 22:13:30 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161376 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 22:13:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013006691:10:04287:247; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:44:51 GMT Received: from madhatter.freedom2.net ([213.161.67.202]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021293; 6 Feb 2002 14:42 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=madhatter.navaho.net) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YTF9-00077M-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:40:15 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... From: Reply-To: davidb@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: argomail Message-Id: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:40:15 +0000 At Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:40:35 GMT , opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >>tables in OP Cool >The Win version could be a carrot of course - as long as your code >will run on Win there's a potentially bigger audience for it. True > >There's never any shortage of ideas for new things. Aside from >tables the one I'm leaning to at the moment is direct PDF export. > Could be useful From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 22:13:36 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161379 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 22:13:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013022456:20:18204:77; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:07:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2118856; 6 Feb 2002 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g16IwId19334 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:58:18 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16IwFR19331 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:58:15 GMT Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YXBX-000P9O-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:52:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:19:08 +0100 From: nico ter haar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <2c93aa044b.nico@neptune.demon.nl> References: <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b046db59fBarry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b046db59fBarry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: neptune User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4b046db59fBarry@WestonOnTrent.freeserve.co.uk> Barry T wrote: > In article <161350@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >tables in OP > > > There's never any shortage of ideas for new things. Aside from > > tables the one I'm leaning to at the moment is direct PDF export. > > Now that idea is to be commended. > It might be good but I think it's a waste of time, there are many pdf-generators out there for windows. Works just the same as our Taborca, I'm using Jaws which works good enough. Besides that it is system-wide instead of only for a single application. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 22:13:41 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161381 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 22:13:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013023162:20:01518:102; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:19:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112269; 6 Feb 2002 19:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g16IuT119316 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:56:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16IuMR19310 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:56:23 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16YX9i-000Ibc-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:50:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:43:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4b0325c4bcdavid@pandda.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 03 Feb, David Crofts wrote: > Ah, but is it not now practice to include only one space? > ISTR an article in the late lamented Risc User to that effect - the > reasoning being that in these days of proportional spacing for all(!) we > do not need the extra marker that a double space provided. Absolutely, and those of us who have been influenced by Robin Williams (The Mac is not a Typewriter, etc) would not be seen dead using a double space - or, for that matter, underlining! -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 6 22:13:44 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161382 for opro ; Wed, 06 Feb 102 22:13:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013022444:10:21732:553; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:07:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124821; 6 Feb 2002 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g16IuTF19317 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:56:29 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16IuNR19311 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:56:24 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16YX9j-000Ibc-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:50:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:51:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: OPro - suddenly a problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 01 Feb, Mr. D.M. Wells wrote: > I've recently bought new Kinetic RISCPC (OS 4.04), and tried to transfer > FontDirectory from my old OS 3.7 RISCPC. This caused machine to freeze: > I tried many times to contact Look Systems (answerphone OK, but no further > response) so am now happily running without FontFS at all. Yes, one can do that, but happily? FontFS is so good! I have had machine freezes, but have so far managed to work around them. It helps, I find, if you load FontFS early in your Boot sequence. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 7 13:56:06 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161405 for opro ; Thu, 07 Feb 102 13:56:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013045706:20:23222:68; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 01:35:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2023268; 7 Feb 2002 1:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g171cM320348 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:38:22 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g171cKR20345 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:38:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16YdQf-000O1y-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:32:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:22:24 GMT Message-Id: <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Yes ideally in the future, when I move from doing the Win version >Do you have a proposed release date David? I'd hope by Midsummers day. At some stage I'll probably make the Win version available on the web for people to experiment with. >It might be good but I think it's a waste of time, there are >many pdf-generators out there for windows. Works just the same >as our Taborca, I'm using Jaws which works good enough. Thats a good point, so PDF is just an Acorn thing. Of course Taborca is defunct, and people say RiscScript can't do this and that. One piece of news is that Acorn User is being produced on Ovation Pro. >From the Feb issue. Although I should point out that they are using other Acorn software as well i.e. Vantage and not Impression. Back to TransHTML. Benjamin Levens said this... > Feel free to tinker away with TransHTML, there may be a slightly newer > version somewhere but there wouldn't be many differences. > It is written using our Levens Basic Library (v2), of which TransHTML > will be of little use without. However, I'm sure someone like yourself > would actually prefer to start from scratch on it. > If anyone else is interested, we may release our basic library with full > source for TransHTML. It is not completely documented, but very handy. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 7 13:56:28 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161412 for opro ; Thu, 07 Feb 102 13:56:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013084010:20:26034:111; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:13:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105768; 7 Feb 2002 12:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g17C3No21561 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:03:23 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g17C3KR21558 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:03:20 GMT Received: from modem-3804.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.238.220] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16YnBQ-0008Ry-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:57:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:25:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b05030f15rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> Yes ideally in the future, when I move from doing the Win version > >Do you have a proposed release date David? > I'd hope by Midsummers day. At some stage I'll probably make the > Win version available on the web for people to experiment with. Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS version) and they can do it right now. OP installs very nicely on VA :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 7 22:13:49 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161434 for opro ; Thu, 07 Feb 102 22:13:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013112321:20:13369:124; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 20:05:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014376; 7 Feb 2002 20:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g17Joxs23105 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:50:59 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g17Jovi23102 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:50:57 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([62.255.159.29]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020207195055.XOPB8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:50:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 19:53:03 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <2f0237054b.pbready@ntlworld.com> References: <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS > >version) and they can do it right now. > > Thats nice to hear. > > I had considered announcing that your licence for my software only covers > operation on real Acorn computers (just for a laugh). > Nice to see someone in this mad corner of the market still has a sense of humour... let's hope it spreads: too many seem to be as edgy as hell on most of c.s.a and RISCOS associated mailing lists. -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 7 22:14:03 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161436 for opro ; Thu, 07 Feb 102 22:14:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013113970:20:25635:89; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 20:32:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2106059; 7 Feb 2002 20:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g17I79022805 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:07:09 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g17I77i22802 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:07:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16Yswq-00078R-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:07:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:18:33 GMT Message-Id: <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS >version) and they can do it right now. Thats nice to hear. I had considered announcing that your licence for my software only covers operation on real Acorn computers (just for a laugh). My experience of VA was that it was horrily slow, I accept this is due to a bad choice of hardware and configuration. On other peoples figures they seem to have done an excellent job, even so I think you'll find a native version of OP runs better on Windows. I feel that VA marks the end of the line though, its relative speed is a testament to the lack of new hardware, and it may make producing such hardware impossible. I've always had a relaxed attitude to individuals using programs they own on more than one machine. In other words if you own Ovation Pro and want to use it yourself on VA or more than one Acorn I don't mind. Ah yes one other thing, its a shame VA is an A5000, I've no doubt they could emulate a later Acorn just as easily if they were allowed. Anyway memory management is not as good on an A5000 - no dynamic areas. In short OP is likely to be slower and go wrong more often on an A5000 than it does on a RISC PC (or similar). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 8 14:01:36 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161453 for opro ; Fri, 08 Feb 102 14:01:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013132827:20:27400:75; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 01:47:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110853; 8 Feb 2002 1:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g181hsX24049 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 01:43:54 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g17Iwji22924 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:58:45 GMT Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Ytkn-000MWa-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:58:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:22:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Double spacing after a period Message-ID: <4b052eacc8david@pandda.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4b0325c4bcdavid@pandda.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian R. Platt wrote: > > Ah, but is it not now practice to include only one space? ISTR an > > article in the late lamented Risc User to that effect - the reasoning > > being that in these days of proportional spacing for all(!) we do not > > need the extra marker that a double space provided. > > > > David Crofts > > > It is indeed, your Rev. That's why I wanted the single spaces. :-) . . and just goes to show that it's a good idea to read newsgroups carefully! :.) David -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 8 14:01:56 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161461 for opro ; Fri, 08 Feb 102 14:01:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013154925:20:17262:58; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 07:55:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125489; 8 Feb 2002 7:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g187sVU24767 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:54:31 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g187sSi24764 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:54:29 GMT Received: from [62.188.151.130] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Z5uI-0004k2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 07:57:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 19:09:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b0533000dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b05030f15rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b05030f15rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b05030f15rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <161387@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >> Yes ideally in the future, when I move from doing the Win version > > >Do you have a proposed release date David? > > I'd hope by Midsummers day. At some stage I'll probably make the > > Win version available on the web for people to experiment with. > Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS > version) and they can do it right now. > OP installs very nicely on VA :-) Not on my NT machine at work (the 2k machine is another thing) Now OvP running "native" in Windows, Hmmm David, you don't want any "never seen RISC OS, and wouldn't know it if it bit me" testers do you? Ten "desktop support analyst" bods do you? They are likely to be super critical but if they can't break it I doubt anyone can. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 8 14:01:59 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161462 for opro ; Fri, 08 Feb 102 14:01:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013156738:20:02381:62; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 08:25:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2002065; 8 Feb 2002 8:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g188P3x24841 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:25:03 GMT Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g188Oti24837 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:25:00 GMT Received: from uff411.ucs.de (unknown [212.62.80.127]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D8226DC6B19 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:24:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:23:54 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 08 Feb 2002 09:23:51 +0100 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:23:46 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <24bd7b054b.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS > >version) and they can do it right now. > > Thats nice to hear. > Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of applets would take ages even on the most recent hardware. > I feel that VA marks the end of the line though, its relative speed > is a testament to the lack of new hardware, and it may make producing > such hardware impossible. > If it hadn't been for a stack of old Atelier pictures I would have dumped RedSquirrel after 10min on my P3 700@1000. RedSquirrel makes for an A4000 at best - just set some sensible FontMax values and watch it paint single characters... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 9 13:55:11 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161492 for opro ; Sat, 09 Feb 102 13:55:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013219963:10:26037:74; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 01:59:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121841; 9 Feb 2002 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g191uRa27100 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:56:27 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g191uOi27097 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:56:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZMkG-000Ept-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 01:56:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:16:36 GMT Message-Id: <161486@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of applets >would take ages even on the most recent hardware. My feeling is that slow loading of applets is due to a slow disc filing system. I can't honestly say how fast applets will load on Windows (because how to reproduce them is one of the big unsolved problems) but OP loads very quickly. >dumped RedSquirrel after 10min on my P3 700@1000. Slow machine, as of now you'd say the baseline was 1.5GHz. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 9 13:55:12 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161493 for opro ; Sat, 09 Feb 102 13:55:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013250041:20:09229:56; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:20:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008803; 9 Feb 2002 10:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19AJR928042 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:19:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19AJPi28039 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:19:25 GMT Received: from tab1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.128.184]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZUaz-0005XG-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:19:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mick Burrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:07:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b06090a8bmick@tab1.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161486@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161486@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R How long has this thread been about RedSquirrel? I don't have or use Arcfax and realised from the original query I couldn't help so have been dumping it unread until this morning! Is it possible to start a new thread with the correct subject line when we go off at a tangent? (Like I haven't;-)) -- Mick Burrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 9 13:55:25 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161499 for opro ; Sat, 09 Feb 102 13:55:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013258491:20:01265:75; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:41:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001113; 9 Feb 2002 12:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19CfDY28385 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:41:13 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19CfAi28382 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:41:10 GMT Received: from du-002-0150.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.150] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZWo9-0004d7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:40:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:40:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Mail-merge print progress indicator... Message-ID: <4b061719e5badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi When running long print-runs via mail-merge, it would be useful to me to be able to check how far the run has progressed through the total number of records. ('Record n' is shown in the Printing window. 'Out of nn' is what I need.) Is there an applet that will show this? TIA Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 9 16:26:30 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161519 for opro ; Sat, 09 Feb 102 16:26:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013271032:10:18214:56; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:10:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1017542; 9 Feb 2002 16:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19G90n28844 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:09:00 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19G8vi28841 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:08:57 GMT Received: from pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:08:31 +0000 Received: from goatly (unverified [213.48.251.110]) by pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for In-Reply-To: <24bd7b054b.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <24bd7b054b.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> you wrote: > In message <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > >Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS > > >version) and they can do it right now. > > > > Thats nice to hear. > > > Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of applets > would take ages even on the most recent hardware. Hmm... I've just tried it on my not-top-of-the-line 1GHz PC, with identical set-ups for Ovation Pro (same applets running). The (rough) timings were: Risc PC (RO 3.7), 10 seconds Virtual Acorn, 7.5 seconds It surprised me too... Bruce Goatly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:25 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161520 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013365483:20:16308:67; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:24:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015922; 10 Feb 2002 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1AINxZ32695 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AINti32687 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:55 GMT Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zyd7-000GmS-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:14 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:43:17 GMT From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.64 (16 Oct 01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Tony van der Hoff once upon a time wrote : [snip] > There are many reasons, including those, why the present situation needs > improving. However, it *is* the present situation, and IMO anarchy is not the > ideal way to help things along. You evidently hold a diffrerent opinion, to > which you are, of course, entitled. > > > I'd like to see these licensing issues sorted so that I can legitimately > > buy a copy of RO4 and run it on an emulator without being accused of > > piracy. > > > Indeed... > what's to come ? > > Sorry this is off-topic, but I really feel it's the only avenue now open > > for any market expansion for ROL, and I'm disappointed that they've taken > > such a closed-minded view of it. > > > No doubt your broad insight and business knowledge of the various factors > involved is not shared by ROSL. Which is a shame, really... > I've always thought that with the Xscale it would be a new machine, from the US, with a 32bit OS which will emulate any ROS machine a lot faster than the SA. Many well experienced ROS programers are already talking about making their software dual platform, if not doing it. never mind, just a day in a life - 4 is unlucky :-( tek care -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:27 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161521 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013273302:20:26849:56; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:48:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126430; 9 Feb 2002 16:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19GmNn29195 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:48:23 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19GmKi29192 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:48:20 GMT Received: from du-006-0059.freeuk.com ([212.126.147.59] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZafJ-0004On-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:47:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:45:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mail-merge print progress indicator... Message-ID: <4b062d7727badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <161514@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161514@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <161514@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > At worst you'd load the file into Edit, control+caret down, F5, > current line. Thanks David. That gives me the info I need. Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:29 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161522 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013271856:10:04360:126; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:24:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1120609; 9 Feb 2002 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19GNZn28966 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:23:35 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19GNVi28962 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:23:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZaHI-000JpN-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:23:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:08:14 GMT Message-Id: <161516@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Life, the Universe, Everything (was Error from Arcfax...) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How long has this thread been about RedSquirrel? You can go to ftp://ftp.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/mailing-lists/ovationpro/ and read the list postings constantly updated. >I don't have or use Arcfax and realised from the original query I >couldn't help so have been dumping it unread until this morning! Of course the joke is that nothing in this thread has been about ArcFax. The original posting was actually about TransHTML >Is it possible to start a new thread with the correct subject line when >we go off at a tangent? (Like I haven't;-)) Which is how we got into this, because the thread spawned from the TransHTML one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:34 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161524 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013271856:10:04588:57; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:24:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004475; 9 Feb 2002 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19GNWw28965 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:23:32 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19GNTi28958 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:23:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZaHG-000JpN-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:23:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:03:48 GMT Message-Id: <161514@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail-merge print progress indicator... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When running long print-runs via mail-merge, it would be useful to me to >be able to check how far the run has progressed through the total number >of records. ('Record n' is shown in the Printing window. 'Out of nn' is >what I need.) Is there an applet that will show this? No. To get at this number you need to scan through the whole file. So that would put me off - although in reality the usefullness probably outweighs the time. I can imagine someone may have done a stand alone utility - all you're doing is counting the lines. At worst you'd load the file into Edit, control+caret down, F5, current line. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:39 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161525 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013282157:20:03358:116; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:15:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106302; 9 Feb 2002 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19JFnK29724 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:15:49 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19JFli29721 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:15:47 GMT Received: from modem-45.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.224.45] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Zcxy-0000DA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:15:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:23:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of > > > applets would take ages even on the most recent hardware. > > > > It surprised me too... > > > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc > OS Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright > code to be software piracy, and therefore theft. I'm sorry Tony, but your information is incorrect. Virtual Acorn is a commercial application supplied with a legal copy of RISC OS 3.11 authorised by its owners, Pace. It has absolutely nothing to do with RISCOS Ltd, who only have a licence to distribute RISC OS 4. They have absolutely no interest or control in earlier versions, which belong to Pace. You might just as well accuse Castle of supplying ripped-off copies of RISC OS 3.7 with their Risc PCs - but they are also distributed curtesy of Pace. The fact that Paul Middleton has made some nasty grumblings does not give credence to anything that he has to say about Virtual Acorn, or its legality. This subject has been thrashed to death on the c.s.a groups. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:47:45 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161528 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013274215:10:17062:59; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:03:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101431; 9 Feb 2002 17:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19H39729303 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:03:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19H36i29300 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:03:06 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zatb-000MNG-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:02:39 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:58:17 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 9 Feb 2002, in message , Bruce Goatly wrote: > In message <24bd7b054b.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> you wrote: > > > In message <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS > > > >version) and they can do it right now. > > > > > > Thats nice to hear. > > > > > Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of applets > > would take ages even on the most recent hardware. > > It surprised me too... > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc OS Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright code to be software piracy, and therefore theft. I abhor any form of criminal action, but as a software author myself, I feel very strongly about blatant breach of copyright. I'm sure anyone else would feel the same way about their livelyhood being undermined by petty thieves. I assume that anyone openly discussing the use of pirated software, as in this thread, is blissfully ignorant of the fact that it is such; I can only suggest that if anyone intends to continue using it that they refrain from drawing attention to themselves. -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:48:00 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161532 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:47:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013276179:10:23987:69; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:36:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023249; 9 Feb 2002 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19HZTx29437 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:35:29 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19HZRi29434 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:35:27 GMT Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16ZbOt-00068u-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:34:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 28142 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 17:35:21 -0000 Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk (143.210.36.58) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 17:35:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:35:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) In-Reply-To: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? > > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc OS > Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright code to be > software piracy, and therefore theft. This is a common misconception that needs to be addressed. Use of an emulator does not necessarily mean the use of pirated software. ROL's views are known, but seem to largely consist of FUD. VA have stated that they have an agreement with Pace to ship the RO 3.1 ROM set, so ROL really have no business getting involved as their licence is limited to RO4. I'm a happy user of RedSquirrel, and I'll probably buy VA soon. I can honestly say I don't have *one* item of ripped-off software for RO. True, I've dabbled with RO4 on RS which breaks the licence agreement, but it doesn't bother me, and ROL can sue away if they wish. I have a spare copy of RO4 that hasn't been installed in a machine, so I feel I'm entitled to use it how I wish. I haven't given a copy to anyone else, and it's only being used on one machine. How is that piracy? As a RO developer, I see VA in future incarnations as a godsend. My work RPC is nearly 7 years old now, and there's no equivalent RO machine available to replace it with. When the inevitable happens and it gets replaced with a Windows box, I shall be relying on RS/VA to allow me to keep developing (or at least maintaining) RO software. The alternative is to not bother at all. And it's quite obviously the best route for anyone after a laptop. The RiscStation team deserve congratulations for getting their portable into production, but I can't see how it's value for money in comparison to a fast wintel laptop running an Acorn emulator. I'd like to see these licensing issues sorted so that I can legitimately buy a copy of RO4 and run it on an emulator without being accused of piracy. Sorry this is off-topic, but I really feel it's the only avenue now open for any market expansion for ROL, and I'm disappointed that they've taken such a closed-minded view of it. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:48:12 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161534 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:48:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013297517:10:12647:130; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:31:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107881; 9 Feb 2002 23:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g19NUqU30217 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:30:52 GMT Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19NUoi30214 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:30:50 GMT Received: from host217-35-4-155.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.4.155] helo=acornrpc) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Zgwl-0000Nd-00; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:30:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:26:38 GMT From: Brian Howlett Message-ID: <513c52064b.Brian@Brian_Howlett.btinternet.com> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, messenger-l@neutri.nu Subject: Spell check crashes OPro & MessengerPRO X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've just hit a snag, which I believe is a problem with !Words (version from the OPro CD-ROM - possibly updated from DP's web site), which spell checks for both OPro (version 2.66) and MessengerPRO (version 2.50a). I think it may be since I upgraded to Select, but I can't be sure, as I generally trust my spelling...;-) Symptoms - if I add word(s) to the UserDict during a spell check on either an email or newsgroup posting, or an OPro document, it causes the application concerned to crash completely. OPro gives the following error: 09 Feb 22:02:01 100 Title : Error from Ovation Pro 09 Feb 22:02:01 100 Task : OvationPro 09 Feb 22:02:01 100 Message : OvationPro has suffered an internal error type=3. I have found that on crashing Messenger will save the file being edited in !Scrap as it dies, however OPro doesn't. -- Brian Howlett -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:48:35 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161537 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:48:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013341299:10:12363:58; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:41:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012311; 10 Feb 2002 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1ABPol31639 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:25:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ABPli31636 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:25:48 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zs6Y-0002LC-0B; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:25:10 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:15:24 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: paul@riscos.com Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 9 Feb 2002, in message <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, Tony van der Hoff > wrote: > > > > > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? > > > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc > > OS Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright > > code to be software piracy, and therefore theft. > > I'm sorry Tony, but your information is incorrect. Virtual Acorn is a > commercial application supplied with a legal copy of RISC OS 3.11 > authorised by its owners, Pace. > OK, I didn't know that. So are we to assume that if Virtual Acorn is licensed, then RedSquirrel must be OK as well, or are they the same thing? I'll be pleased to be proved wrong. My information is from only a single source: Paul Middleton. So, if I'm wrong, then so is he, as he is adamant that only Castle (for RO3.7) and ROSL (for RO4) have been granted licenses to distribute Risc OS, by either E-14 or Pace. So either he is mis-informed, which is unlikely, given his involvement in the system, or he is deliberately spreading untruths, (or FUD, as Liam calls it). I have to ask myself which is most likely, and I made up my own mind. I'm copying this to Paul, to allow him an opportunity to put the record straight; if he responds to me, I'll be happy to report back to the list. > It has absolutely nothing to do with RISCOS Ltd, who only have a licence > to distribute RISC OS 4. They have absolutely no interest or control in > earlier versions, which belong to Pace. > Well, I'd argue that it is of *vital* interest to ROSL, because every emulated system means one less copy of RO4 sold by them. As Liam admits, once you start emulating Risc OS 3, then crossing the boundary to emulating Risc OS 4 is but a very small step. But, of course, you're literally correct: Pace own all versions of Risc OS, and only Castle (AFAIK) hold a distribution licence for Risc OS 3. > The fact that Paul Middleton has made some nasty grumblings does not give > credence to anything that he has to say about Virtual Acorn, or its > legality. Interesting. Thank you for your insight into Paul's credibility. > This subject has been thrashed to death on the c.s.a groups. > I don't take csaa, but have had a quick Google at the thread to which I assume you're referring. The underlying opinion there seems to be based upon the concept that "I don't agree with/dont't like what is happening, so I'll choose to ignore copyright restrictions". This is also what Liam appears to be advocating. Fair enough, it is not my place to preach morality. -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:48:58 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161540 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:48:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013345343:10:21230:124; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:49:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1112574; 10 Feb 2002 12:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1ACnDm32004 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:49:13 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ACnAi32001 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:49:10 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZtPE-0007ii-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:48:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:28:26 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <8b6652064b.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, Tony van der Hoff > wrote: > > > > Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of > > > > applets would take ages even on the most recent hardware. > > > > > > It surprised me too... > > > > > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? > > > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc > > OS Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright > > code to be software piracy, and therefore theft. > > I'm sorry Tony, but your information is incorrect. Virtual Acorn is a > commercial application supplied with a legal copy of RISC OS 3.11 > authorised by its owners, Pace. > > It has absolutely nothing to do with RISCOS Ltd, who only have a licence > to distribute RISC OS 4. They have absolutely no interest or control in > earlier versions, which belong to Pace. [snip] Have any of the commentators here or on the ngs actually seen the licence agreement? Certainly much of what's said doesn't match my recall of the original announcements. Where is everyone getting their 'insider' information from? Not that I would suggest that my recall is perfect. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:49:11 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161542 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:49:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013365565:10:16236:107; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:26:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110976; 10 Feb 2002 18:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1AINv932693 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AINsi32683 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:54 GMT Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zyd6-000GmS-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:47:26 GMT From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro - suddenly not a problem Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.64 (16 Oct 01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Michael Talibard once upon a time wrote : > On Fri 01 Feb, Mr. D.M. Wells wrote: > > > I've recently bought new Kinetic RISCPC (OS 4.04), and tried to transfer > > FontDirectory from my old OS 3.7 RISCPC. This caused machine to freeze: > > I tried many times to contact Look Systems (answerphone OK, but no further > > response) so am now happily running without FontFS at all. > > Yes, one can do that, but happily? FontFS is so good! > I have had machine freezes, but have so far managed to work around them. > It helps, I find, if you load FontFS early in your Boot sequence. > Yes it's very useful, it was the first time FontFS failed for me, but I hadn't tried to alter the partition since the RO4 upgrade, until I moved to Postscript. The problem i had with OP and printing was due to having Turbo drivers installed but not set up properly, I think, so far no problems but I'm using a basic setup at the moment to rule out any inter-application conflicts. I had installed the PS driver, which meant that when Printers was run PS became the default, and Turbo driver does not set it's self up until clicked on. Now I have the Turbo driver as default and change to PS, seems to work -) cheers -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:49:44 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161546 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:49:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013371478:10:19705:60; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:04:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019454; 10 Feb 2002 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1AK4mN00643 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:04:48 GMT Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AK4ji00640 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:04:46 GMT Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16a0Ch-0006o8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:04:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 28792 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 20:04:25 -0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk (143.210.40.54) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 20:04:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:04:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Space Research Centre, University of Leicester, UK X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 10 Feb, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > VA have stated that they have an agreement with Pace to ship the RO 3.1 > > ROM set, so ROL really have no business getting involved as their > > licence is limited to RO4. > > > Maybe, but if they believe they are the only ones (with Castle) licensed > to distribute RISC OS for the dektop (albeit as RO 4), then they would > appear have a legitimate gripe. Well, with ROL saying one thing and VA saying another, someone's got to be wrong. And we haven't see Pace bringing in the legal dept yet. > > I'm a happy user of RedSquirrel, and I'll probably buy VA soon. I can > > honestly say I don't have *one* item of ripped-off software for RO. > > Now you're confusing me. VA is allegedly licensed, but you haven't bought > that, you're using RedSquirrel instead. Is that licenced? RS is just the emulator, with no version of RO. You have to get hold of your own (I've had a go with 3.1 taken off my old A310 and RO4 from my RPC). VA is the version sold with a copy of RO3.1 that is the cause of ROL's concern. Take a look at VA's website for more info: http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/. In particular, take a look at their FAQ, which explains their side of the licensing issue that ROL calls illegal. > > Sorry this is off-topic, but I really feel it's the only avenue now open > > for any market expansion for ROL, and I'm disappointed that they've > > taken such a closed-minded view of it. > > > No doubt your broad insight and business knowledge of the various factors > involved is not shared by ROSL. Which is a shame, really... What makes you think I have any insight or knowledge of business? ;-) I'm just a user who's frustrated by ROL's current antics. I actually think RS/VA is the best thing for RISC OS in a long time. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:49:51 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161548 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:49:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013373969:10:19317:61; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:46:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019290; 10 Feb 2002 20:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1AKkMN00803 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:46:22 GMT Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AKkKi00800 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:46:20 GMT Received: from host217-35-7-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.7.182] helo=acornrpc) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16a0qv-0004hk-00; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:45:37 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:45:20 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, messenger-l@neutri.nu Subject: Re: Spell check crashes OPro & MessengerPRO Message-ID: References: <513c52064b.Brian@Brian_Howlett.btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 10 Feb, Jon Keates exclaimed: > In message <513c52064b.Brian@Brian_Howlett.btinternet.com> > Brian Howlett once upon a time wrote : > >> I've just hit a snag, which I believe is a problem with !Words >> (version from the OPro CD-ROM - possibly updated from DP's web site), >> which spell checks for both OPro (version 2.66) and MessengerPRO >> (version 2.50a). >> [snip] >> >> I have found that on crashing Messenger will save the file being >> edited in !Scrap as it dies, however OPro doesn't. >> > how about a corrupt UserDict ? I thought of that, and have just moved it out of the way. > > IIRC there are problems adding words but it would be nice if it > reported that instead of causing a fatal error -\ Agreed... When I finish editing this message it will have a couple of spelling erorrs, and I'll try a word in here that won't be in the main dictionary... Howlett... OK - that crashed as well, as soon as I clicked on the Spell button - error from MPro is 10 Feb 19:17:49 100 ***Error*** 10 Feb 19:17:49 100 Title : Error 10 Feb 19:17:49 100 Task : Messenger Pro 10 Feb 19:17:49 100 Message : Internal error, no stack for trap handler: Data Abort, pc = 00064754: registers at 00072DCC. I'll reinstall from the OPro CD-ROM and try again... OK, I've done this, and so far, so good. I'll keep an eye on the situation and report back if I have any further problems. > > mmm, got mi thin king hat on today -) > Better a thin king than a pale (wan) monarch... ;-) -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------- Mobile phones - the only topic of discussion where men boast about how *small* theirs is... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:50:02 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161554 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:50:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013300770:20:06744:56; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:26:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006606; 10 Feb 2002 0:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1A0QAF30369 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:26:10 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A0Q7i30366 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:26:07 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZhoG-000AFX-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:25:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:07:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <4b065083a8Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Liam Gretton wrote: Snipped lots of thinsg I agree with. > Sorry this is off-topic, but I really feel it's the only avenue now > open for any market expansion for ROL, and I'm disappointed that > they've taken such a closed-minded view of it. It's quite surprising when you bear in mind that Pace own a fair slice of ROL anyway. I do find myself wondering though who the "they" in ROL actually are; the company is hardly over-staffed, is it? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:50:06 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161556 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:50:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013339875:20:27447:58; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:17:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026915; 10 Feb 2002 11:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1ABFcB31596 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:15:38 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ABFWi31593 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:15:33 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zrwd-000054-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:14:55 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:14:50 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 9 Feb 2002, in message , Liam Gretton wrote: > On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? > > > > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc > > OS Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright code > > to be software piracy, and therefore theft. > > This is a common misconception that needs to be addressed. Use of an > emulator does not necessarily mean the use of pirated software. ROL's views > are known, but seem to largely consist of FUD. VA have stated that they > have an agreement with Pace to ship the RO 3.1 ROM set, so ROL really have > no business getting involved as their licence is limited to RO4. > Maybe, but if they believe they are the only ones (with Castle) licensed to distribute RISC OS for the dektop (albeit as RO 4), then they would appear have a legitimate gripe. > I'm a happy user of RedSquirrel, and I'll probably buy VA soon. I can > honestly say I don't have *one* item of ripped-off software for RO. Now you're confusing me. VA is allegedly licensed, but you haven't bought that, you're using RedSquirrel instead. Is that licenced? > True, I've dabbled with RO4 on RS which breaks the licence agreement, but > it doesn't bother me, and ROL can sue away if they wish. I have a spare > copy of RO4 that hasn't been installed in a machine, so I feel I'm entitled > to use it how I wish. I haven't given a copy to anyone else, and it's only > being used on one machine. How is that piracy? > Indeed, in the end you have to interpret these things according to your own concience... > As a RO developer, I see VA in future incarnations as a godsend. My work > RPC is nearly 7 years old now, and there's no equivalent RO machine > available to replace it with. Castle would disagree with you there. > When the inevitable happens and it gets replaced with a Windows box, I > shall be relying on RS/VA to allow me to keep developing (or at least > maintaining) RO software. The alternative is to not bother at all. > > And it's quite obviously the best route for anyone after a laptop. The > RiscStation team deserve congratulations for getting their portable into > production, but I can't see how it's value for money in comparison to a > fast wintel laptop running an Acorn emulator. > There are many reasons, including those, why the present situation needs improving. However, it *is* the present situation, and IMO anarchy is not the ideal way to help things along. You evidently hold a diffrerent opinion, to which you are, of course, entitled. > I'd like to see these licensing issues sorted so that I can legitimately > buy a copy of RO4 and run it on an emulator without being accused of > piracy. > Indeed... > Sorry this is off-topic, but I really feel it's the only avenue now open > for any market expansion for ROL, and I'm disappointed that they've taken > such a closed-minded view of it. > No doubt your broad insight and business knowledge of the various factors involved is not shared by ROSL. Which is a shame, really... -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:50:12 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161560 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:50:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013342568:20:08352:60; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:02:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115527; 10 Feb 2002 12:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1AC2wa31828 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:02:58 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AC2ti31825 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:02:55 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZsgT-000D5p-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:02:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:01:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <4b06975482john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > he is adamant that only Castle (for RO3.7) and ROSL (for RO4) have been > granted licenses to distribute Risc OS, by either E-14 or Pace. So > either he is mis-informed, which is unlikely, given his involvement in > the system, or he is deliberately spreading untruths I've no direct knowledge but my understanding is that there is a distiction between having a licence and being legal. Of course having a licence is a sub-set of being legal but there may be other ways of being legal and, AFAIK, ROL hasn't commented on that area of possibility. It is possible for VA to be unlicenced and legal and the ROL statements to be true. However, pending full clarification from all the parties involved I don't think we can get any further and I'm not going to get involved in any further discussions as I have no inside knowledge. -- John Cartmell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:50:14 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161561 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:50:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013437172:10:03326:84; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:19:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114932; 11 Feb 2002 14:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1BEJIW03143 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:19:18 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BEJFi03140 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:19:16 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16aHHj-0002uq-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:18:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:10:21 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <30fa26074b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <23b8d0064b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <23b8d0064b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 10 Feb 2002, in message <23b8d0064b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Sun 10 Feb, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > > I actually think RS/VA is the best thing for RISC OS in a long time. > I did *not* write that, and for the record I wish it to be known that that is not necessarily my opinion. [snip] -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:50:23 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161566 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:50:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013365483:20:16299:58; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:24:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015923; 10 Feb 2002 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1AIO0G32696 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:24:00 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AINui32691 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:57 GMT Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zyd9-000GmS-0C; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:23:18 GMT From: Jon Keates To: messenger-l@neutri.nu Subject: Re: Spell check crashes OPro & MessengerPRO Message-ID: References: <513c52064b.Brian@Brian_Howlett.btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <513c52064b.Brian@Brian_Howlett.btinternet.com> X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.64 (16 Oct 01) Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <513c52064b.Brian@Brian_Howlett.btinternet.com> Brian Howlett once upon a time wrote : > I've just hit a snag, which I believe is a problem with !Words (version > from the OPro CD-ROM - possibly updated from DP's web site), which spell > checks for both OPro (version 2.66) and MessengerPRO (version 2.50a). > > I think it may be since I upgraded to Select, but I can't be sure, as I > generally trust my spelling...;-) > > Symptoms - if I add word(s) to the UserDict during a spell check on > either an email or newsgroup posting, or an OPro document, it causes the > application concerned to crash completely. OPro gives the following > error: > > 09 Feb 22:02:01 100 Title : Error from Ovation Pro > 09 Feb 22:02:01 100 Task : OvationPro > 09 Feb 22:02:01 100 Message : OvationPro has suffered an internal error > type=3. > > I have found that on crashing Messenger will save the file being edited > in !Scrap as it dies, however OPro doesn't. > how about a corrupt UserDict ? IIRC there are problems adding words but it would be nice if it reported that instead of causing a fatal error -\ mmm, got mi thin king hat on today -) -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:50:23 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161565 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:50:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013451232:10:04222:119; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:13:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007384; 11 Feb 2002 18:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1BIDNo03776 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:13:23 GMT Received: from gtonline.net (mail.flowercard.co.uk [212.30.8.232] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BIDKi03773 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:13:20 GMT Received: from GTonline.net [212.30.10.180] by gtonline.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A54CF040146; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:54:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:53:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: CD Labels Message-ID: <4b073b6562rmking@gtonline.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone have OvPro templates for self-adhesive CD labels produced by Avery or Pressit? Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:50:29 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161569 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:50:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013454222:10:11487:83; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:03:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100397; 11 Feb 2002 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1BJ30X03949 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:03:00 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BJ2vi03946 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:02:57 GMT Received: from [62.188.157.108] (helo=62.188.157.108) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16aLkv-0000Kt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:04:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:39:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <4b073f99b6charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6c5431074b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > I have now had a response from Paul; he did not give me permission to > publish his post, but he points out that he believes that ROSL hold an > *exclusive* license to distribute RISC OS for the desktop. ^^^^^^^ How would that effect an copy of RISC OS3 running on a portable? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:50:40 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161574 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:50:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013380905:20:22515:73; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:41:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122332; 10 Feb 2002 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1AMUKE01131 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:30:20 GMT Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.181]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AMUAi01128 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:30:15 GMT Received: from modem-86.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.6.86] helo=riscpc) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16a2TO-0006Eb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:29:26 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:28:11 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <23b8d0064b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Sun 10 Feb, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > I actually think RS/VA is the best thing for RISC OS in a long time. But probably not the best thing to happen to RISC OS Ltd. Or indeed the hardware manufacturers. I have a dilemma here. I very much want a RISC OS portable, for personal use. However I may need to buy a PC for my business use. I may also need a PC portable. Therefore it makes better sense for me to consider buying a PC portable and VA, than to buy two machines. Since there is no portable with a PC card option, even that dubious route isn't open to me. The third option of course is to buy a PC without VA, buy the PC version of OPro and Personal Accounts, transfer my Pipedream stuff into Excel, and I'm almost sorted. That just leaves the large membership application, written by me in Basic. Any BBC Basic emulators in view? Would need RO3 compatability. My preference is the RO portable, but that doesn't solve the need for a PC as well. Aren't choices interesting. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:50:56 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161583 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:50:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013419658:20:09568:128; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:27:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010390; 11 Feb 2002 9:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1B9P1102433 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:25:01 GMT Received: from mcvax.org (root@mcvax.org [193.242.82.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B9Owi02430 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:24:58 GMT Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mcvax.org ident=jhma) by mcvax.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16aCgz-000KAE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:24:09 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) In-Reply-To: Message from Alan Adams of "Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:28:11 GMT." <23b8d0064b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:24:08 +0000 From: James Aldridge Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams wrote: > That just leaves the large membership application, written by me in Basic. > Any BBC Basic emulators in view? Would need RO3 compatability. I can't comment any further but a quick web search returned http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/products/bbcwin/bbcwin.html which claims, among other things, to be "designed to be as compatible as possible with Version 4 of the 6502 BBC BASIC resident in the BBC Micro Master series. It also includes a large number of the features of ARM BASIC V as resident in the Acorn Archimedes, particularly multi-line IF ... THEN ... ENDIF, WHILE ... ENDWHILE and CASE ... ENDCASE statements." This might be what you're looking for... James -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:51:07 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161586 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:51:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013433756:20:00155:89; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:22:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102274; 11 Feb 2002 13:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1BDKkx02948 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:20:46 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BDKii02945 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:20:44 GMT Received: from [62.188.143.143] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16aGPq-00018H-00; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:22:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: paul@riscos.com Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:32:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <4b07080c08steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 9 Feb 2002, in message <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson > wrote: > > In article <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, Tony van der Hoff > > wrote: > > > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. > > > Risc OS Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of > > > copyright code to be software piracy, and therefore theft. > > I'm sorry Tony, but your information is incorrect. Virtual Acorn is a > > commercial application supplied with a legal copy of RISC OS 3.11 > > authorised by its owners, Pace. > OK, I didn't know that. So are we to assume that if Virtual Acorn is > licensed, then RedSquirrel must be OK as well, or are they the same > thing? If you mean same thing as in the same in legal terms, I'd say the answer is no. After all VA is distributed with a copy of RO 3.1, Red Squirrel is not therefore the question of legality does not arise. The emulator itself is not a legal issue - everyone is arguing the legality of the soft copy of the 3.1 OS, although the emulator is just so much interesting code without the OS. > I'll be pleased to be proved wrong. My information is from only a single > source: Paul Middleton. So, if I'm wrong, then so is he, as he is > adamant that only Castle (for RO3.7) and ROSL (for RO4) have been > granted licenses to distribute Risc OS, by either E-14 or Pace. So > either he is mis-informed, which is unlikely, given his involvement in > the system, or he is deliberately spreading untruths, (or FUD, as Liam > calls it). I have to ask myself which is most likely, and I made up my > own mind. >From what I've read of the quoted material PM would appear to be talking about RO4 only(4.0x -4.xx). Version 3.7 is Castles concern, and revisions before that are in the hands of Pace. > I'm copying this to Paul, to allow him an opportunity to put the record > straight; if he responds to me, I'll be happy to report back to the list. I think it would be better if Paul made the statement direct to the list, and to the c.s.a.* groups. This bickering serves no purpose, many of the people involved have previously spent much time producing new material for RO, do they now intend it to die the death of a thousand cuts? > > It has absolutely nothing to do with RISCOS Ltd, who only have a > > licence to distribute RISC OS 4. They have absolutely no interest or > > control in earlier versions, which belong to Pace. > Well, I'd argue that it is of *vital* interest to ROSL, because every > emulated system means one less copy of RO4 sold by them. As Liam admits, > once you start emulating Risc OS 3, then crossing the boundary to > emulating Risc OS 4 is but a very small step. But, of course, you're > literally correct: Pace own all versions of Risc OS, and only Castle > (AFAIK) hold a distribution licence for Risc OS 3. A *version* of RO3 would appear to a little more accurate. [Snip] > > This subject has been thrashed to death on the c.s.a groups. > I don't take csaa, but have had a quick Google at the thread to which I > assume you're referring. The underlying opinion there seems to be based > upon the concept that "I don't agree with/dont't like what is happening, > so I'll choose to ignore copyright restrictions". This is also what Liam > appears to be advocating. Fair enough, it is not my place to preach > morality. I think you do many people a disservice. In a confused situation (and it is) people are looking at VA for many and varied reasons[1] and seeing two differing statements about the legality of a ROM copy are virtually flipping a coin. If the ROM really is an illegal copy, why have the copyright owners not stopped the distribution? Web sites containing ROM copies have been stopped from "distributing" ROM's [1] In my case I already have two PC's on my desk at work[2], squeezing in another machine would be difficult and leave no room for the paperwork [2] Office use, and experimental/development use. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:51:20 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161592 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:51:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013443811:20:26311:99; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:10:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113421; 11 Feb 2002 16:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1BG9Ce03450 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:09:12 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BG99i03447 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:09:09 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16aJ03-000DDD-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:08:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:03:25 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <6c5431074b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b07080c08steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 11 Feb 2002, in message <4b07080c08steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article , Tony van der Hoff > wrote: > > On 9 Feb 2002, in message <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson > > wrote: > > > In article <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, Tony van der Hoff > > > wrote: > > > > > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. > > > > Risc OS Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of > > > > copyright code to be software piracy, and therefore theft. > > > > I'm sorry Tony, but your information is incorrect. Virtual Acorn is a > > > commercial application supplied with a legal copy of RISC OS 3.11 > > > authorised by its owners, Pace. > > > OK, I didn't know that. So are we to assume that if Virtual Acorn is > > licensed, then RedSquirrel must be OK as well, or are they the same > > thing? > > If you mean same thing as in the same in legal terms, I'd say the answer is > no. After all VA is distributed with a copy of RO 3.1, Red Squirrel is not > therefore the question of legality does not arise. The emulator itself is > not a legal issue - everyone is arguing the legality of the soft copy of > the 3.1 OS, although the emulator is just so much interesting code without > the OS. > Thank you for the clarification. > > I'll be pleased to be proved wrong. My information is from only a single > > source: Paul Middleton. So, if I'm wrong, then so is he, as he is > > adamant that only Castle (for RO3.7) and ROSL (for RO4) have been > > granted licenses to distribute Risc OS, by either E-14 or Pace. So > > either he is mis-informed, which is unlikely, given his involvement in > > the system, or he is deliberately spreading untruths, (or FUD, as Liam > > calls it). I have to ask myself which is most likely, and I made up my > > own mind. > > From what I've read of the quoted material PM would appear to be talking > about RO4 only(4.0x -4.xx). Version 3.7 is Castles concern, and revisions > before that are in the hands of Pace. > > > I'm copying this to Paul, to allow him an opportunity to put the record > > straight; if he responds to me, I'll be happy to report back to the list. > > I think it would be better if Paul made the statement direct to the list, > and to the c.s.a.* groups. > I have now had a response from Paul; he did not give me permission to publish his post, but he points out that he believes that ROSL hold an *exclusive* license to distribute RISC OS for the desktop. That is certainly in accordance with my recollection of events when ROSL was first set up. Castle is a special case, because their *manufacturing* agreement pre-dates that of ROSL, and only allows them to supply a single version of RISC OS as an integral part of their hardware. For this reason it is incorrect to argue that ROSL have no concern with anything other than RO 4. There is IMO no reason to doubt this exclusivity, which implies that it should have been *impossible* for VA to obtain a distribution license for another desktop use of any version of RISC OS. If VA genuinely believe that they have such a license (although they have never published the details, only dismissing the question as "daft"), then for Pace to have issued it, they must have reinterpreted or broken their agreement with ROSL. I have no doubt that these issues are presently in the hands of lawyers, so it is facetious to argue that VA must be legitimate because otherwise the copyright holders would have stepped in. They may have done; these things simply take a long time. > This bickering serves no purpose, many of the people involved have > previously spent much time producing new material for RO, do they now > intend it to die the death of a thousand cuts? > Nobody's bickering here, Steven. The discussion serves a very important purpose, namely that of promoting the protection of intellectual property rights against anyone who unilaterally decides it is acceptable to abuse them. The fact that those individuals may be net contributors to the industry does not make their actions any more palatable. Similarly, the notion that the products concerned may be of overall benefit does not make their (putative) use of illegally obtained components acceptable. On the other hand, the whole issue may be just a misunderstanding, and everybody will walk away (relatively) happy. That would be the ideal outcome, and what we should be hoping for. If we were arguing the morals of shoplifting, I wouldn't expect any rational contributor to justify its legitimacy. However, like tax evasion, software piracy is apparently quite acceptable to some even quite respectable people; I am only trying to emphasise its seriousness. We, at ground level, are not in a position to discern the wood from the trees in this situation. I have said previously, if any individual, after due consideration, really believes that what he is doing is morally acceptable, then let him continue to do so. However, while there remains any doubt about the legality of these emulators, then I don't think anyone should be advocating their use. And, let me remind you, it is that advocacy that triggered my initial contribution to this thread. [snip] > > I think you do many people a disservice. In a confused situation (and it > is) people are looking at VA for many and varied reasons[1] and seeing two > differing statements about the legality of a ROM copy are virtually > flipping a coin. > If the ROM really is an illegal copy, why have the copyright owners not > stopped the distribution? Web sites containing ROM copies have been > stopped from "distributing" ROM's > I don't see how stating a set of known facts is doing anyone a disservice. Are you suggesting that this matter is best swept under the carpet, lest we offend anyone? In VA's case, I suspect the matter's subject to legal wrangling. In the case of web sites distributing RISC OS without even the pretense of a license, they are breaking the law; this is why they've been asked to remove it. I'll agree that the situation's confused; certainly for us, and probably no less so in the eyes of the principals in this matter. However, there can be *no* question about the legality of unlicensed copies of the ROM image. The back cover of the RISC OS 3 user guide unequivocally describes the end-user license conditions. Like it or not, you are deemed (in law, as well as morally) to have accepted those conditions when you started using your computer. Acorn (and therefore its successors in title) allow the owner to make a single copy of the software for back-up purposes, to support its use on a *single* *Acorn* computer. This means that any copy, which is not for back-up, and is not used on an Acorn computer is illegal, however much you'd like to justify it. The sentiment suggesting "I own it, and I'll choose what to do with it" is simply a cop-out, even if you are not re-distributing it. Therefore, by any logic, the use of RedSquirrel, by virtue of requiring the user to make/obtain an unlicensed copy of the ROM image, contravenes those licence agreements, and its distribution by VA it can be construed as incitement to break the law. Which, in turn, doesn't make for a very good impression of that company. Finally, to suggest that VA is a good idea, so therefore it ought to be legitimate, is a fine sentiment, but on its own, not legally sustainable. And now I give up. I've made my point, people must make up their own minds on this matter. Personnally, I wouldn't touch either product, until this situation is resolved. -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:51:52 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161602 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:51:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013500800:20:19915:61; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:00:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114487; 12 Feb 2002 7:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1C7xXi05426 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:59:33 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C7xVi05423 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:59:31 GMT Received: from [62.188.154.54] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16aXsI-0001US-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:01:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:28:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <4b074f22cbsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6c5431074b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <4b0630f2c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > And now I give up. I've made my point, people must make up their own > minds on this matter. Personnally, I wouldn't touch either product, > until this situation is resolved. Interesting. For whatever reasons, in our own minds, we have both decided not to use VA or RS at this time. For me this, unfortunately, means no RO at work. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 16:51:59 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161604 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 16:51:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013503298:20:21438:112; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:41:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022355; 12 Feb 2002 8:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1C8fs305593 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:41:54 GMT Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.68.35]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C8fki05589 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:41:51 GMT Received: from uff411.ucs.de (unknown [212.62.80.242]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 167B0DD6C41 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:40:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:39:59 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 12 Feb 2002 09:39:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:39:52 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: References: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <57ae2e064b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On 9 Feb 2002, in message , > Bruce Goatly wrote: > > > In message <24bd7b054b.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> you wrote: > > > > > In message <161422@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Bundle a copy of RedSquirrel/Virtual Acorn with Ovation Pro (RISC OS > > > > >version) and they can do it right now. > > > > > > > > Thats nice to hear. > > > > > > > Anyone really do *that* ? Like loading OP with a complete set of applets > > > would take ages even on the most recent hardware. > > > > It surprised me too... > > And me, probably I have not only an ancient PC but an ancient version of RS... > Am I the only one to find this discussion somewhat distasteful? > > AIUI, both emulators rely on a ripped-off copy of the RISC OS ROM. Risc OS > Ltd have repeatedly stated that they regard this use of copyright code to be > software piracy, and therefore theft. > When I got my copy of RS people were rather anxious to provide ROM images. So what, I have an EPROM-Programmer right here and RISC OS ROMs aplenty (which are mine and were expensive enough just to be lying around). > I abhor any form of criminal action, but as a software author myself, I feel > very strongly about blatant breach of copyright. I'm sure anyone else would > feel the same way about their livelyhood being undermined by petty thieves. > > I assume that anyone openly discussing the use of pirated software, as > in this thread, is blissfully ignorant of the fact that it is such; I can > only suggest that if anyone intends to continue using it that they refrain > from drawing attention to themselves. > Yes, selling VA *with* a copy of ROS 3 looks a bit over the top. But saying that my copy of RS relies on a ripped-off copy of anything does so too. Yes I do remember that the original licenses from Acorn did say something like I should not use that software on anything else but Acorn hardware. Well, they stopped making that and I stopped complying - duh. My motivation to use RS was to get RISC OS 3/2 running so I could convert some images. Nothing that touches the interests of selling ROS 4, innit? Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 19:41:27 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161620 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 19:41:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013539818:10:21609:134; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:50:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022472; 12 Feb 2002 18:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1CInNJ07153 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:49:23 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CInLi07150 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:49:21 GMT Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ahyP-0004q2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:48:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:15:09 +0100 From: nico ter haar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: CD Labels Message-ID: References: <4b073b6562rmking@gtonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4b073b6562rmking@gtonline.net> X-Organization: neptune User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4b073b6562rmking@gtonline.net> Roger King wrote: > Does anyone have OvPro templates for self-adhesive CD labels produced by > Avery or Pressit? > They are on the CD ... somewhere ... -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 23:07:09 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161637 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 23:07:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013548617:20:01702:97; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:16:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104308; 12 Feb 2002 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1CLHGd08165 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:17:16 GMT Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-svc.virgin.net [62.253.164.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CLHDi08162 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:17:14 GMT Received: from localhost.com ([62.255.13.120]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020212211604.MGAG4469.mta2-svc.virgin.net@localhost.com> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:16:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:12:31 GMT From: Gerald Cobbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Altering Text Size- ManyThanks Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Stephen Parkin wrote: > In on Tue 12 Feb, Gerald Cobbe wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Having used Ovation Pro for a few months now I have noticed that one > > of the differences with other RiscOS programmes is that you can only > > vary the text size to 8, 10, 12, 14, 18, 24, or 36 pts. > > Most other RiscOS applications allow you to fine tune the text to any > > size you want, a most useful facility. > > If you go to the bottom of the menu, you will notice that there appears to be > a blank line below 36pt. This is a writeable icon. If you position the > pointer in this space, a caret will appear and you will find can type in > whatever size you wish, be it points, inches, mm, etc. My thanks to Stephen, Ian and John for their prompt replies, and no doubt others that are on their way! I feel like a bit of an idiot for havinf missed that one! Regards -- Gerald -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 23:07:14 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161639 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 23:07:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013542731:10:09734:191; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:38:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105519; 12 Feb 2002 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1CJd9X07357 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:39:09 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CJd7i07354 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:39:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16aikZ-000KX7-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:37:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:36:10 GMT Message-Id: <161617@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Any BBC Basic emulators in view? There's Dave Daniels 'Brandy' works on Linux as well as Win. As a last resort it is on Arcade BBS (www.arcade.demon.co.uk) but no doubt on his web site too. As to VA in general, whatever the legal outcome it provides an intriguing problem for ROSL. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 23:07:28 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161643 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 23:07:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013543128:10:25041:72; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:45:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1024836; 12 Feb 2002 19:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1CJju907462 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:45:56 GMT Received: from mta8-svc.virgin.net (mta8-svc.virgin.net [62.253.164.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CJjsi07459 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:45:54 GMT Received: from localhost.com ([62.255.13.170]) by mta8-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020212194445.XAEL22752.mta8-svc.virgin.net@localhost.com> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:44:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:40:41 GMT From: Gerald Cobbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Altering Text Size Message-ID: <7c0ec9074b.Gerald@virgin.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Folks, Having used Ovation Pro for a few months now I have noticed that one of the differences with other RiscOS programmes is that you can only vary the text size to 8, 10, 12, 14, 18, 24, or 36 pts. Most other RiscOS applications allow you to fine tune the text to any size you want, a most useful facility. Having been through the OP manual I can find no reference to this (or do I need to change my glasses!). Alternatively, is there an applet that I've missed that would allow me to vary the text in such a way? My apologies if this has come up before and I've missed it. Regards -- Gerald Cobbe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 23:07:40 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161647 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 23:07:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013544100:10:16957:76; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:01:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105238; 12 Feb 2002 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1CK1ct07631 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:01:38 GMT Received: from kx1-gui.server.which.net (kx1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CK1Zi07628 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:01:35 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([62.255.44.59]) by kx1-gui.server.which.net (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license e70b2acfbd69d84cc925654164bd8fad) with SMTP id <20020212200026.BEWQ18804.kx1-gui@waddell.which.net> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:00:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:01:49 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Altering Text Size To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <7c0ec9074b.Gerald@virgin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 12 Feb, Gerald Cobbe wrote: > > Hi Folks, > Having used Ovation Pro for a few months now I have noticed that one > of the differences with other RiscOS programmes is that you can only > vary the text size to 8, 10, 12, 14, 18, 24, or 36 pts. > Most other RiscOS applications allow you to fine tune the text to any > size you want, a most useful facility. > Having been through the OP manual I can find no reference to this (or do > I need to change my glasses!). > Alternatively, is there an applet that I've missed that would allow me > to vary the text in such a way? > > My apologies if this has come up before and I've missed it. > Gerald You will be inundated with replies I suspect. Click on the pull down menu icon next to the present point size. Run down to the blank space at the bottom of the this and you can enter whatever size you want, even to hundredths of a point. Easy way to change point size up or down in single point sizes is to use 'CTRL >' or 'CTRL <'. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 23:07:52 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161652 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 23:07:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013544177:20:06100:83; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:02:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107510; 12 Feb 2002 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1CK3aJ07662 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:03:36 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CK3Xi07658 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:03:33 GMT Received: from Ralph ([62.255.20.2]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020212200225.LUM22101.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@Ralph> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:02:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:02:40 GMT From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Altering Text Size Message-ID: <8011cb074b.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> References: <7c0ec9074b.Gerald@virgin.net> In-Reply-To: <7c0ec9074b.Gerald@virgin.net> X-Organization: Matchstick User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g1CK3Xi07659 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g1CK3aK07662 In message <7c0ec9074b.Gerald@virgin.net> Gerald Cobbe wrote: >Hi Folks, >Having used Ovation Pro for a few months now I have noticed that one >of the differences with other RiscOS programmes is that you can only >vary the text size to 8, 10, 12, 14, 18, 24, or 36 pts. >Most other RiscOS applications allow you to fine tune the text to any >size you want, a most useful facility. >Having been through the OP manual I can find no reference to this (or do >I need to change my glasses!). >Alternatively, is there an applet that I've missed that would allow me >to vary the text in such a way? > >My apologies if this has come up before and I've missed it. > >Regards > There is a writable icon? at the bottom of the menu where you can enter whatever size you wish. HTH Ian --=20 Nid yw'r felin heno'n malu yn Nhrefin ym min y m=F4r, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 23:08:14 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161659 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 23:08:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013545651:10:13470:185; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:27:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013568; 12 Feb 2002 20:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1CKS6u07976 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:28:06 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CKS3i07973 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:28:03 GMT Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-2-dialup-38.spectraweb.ch [194.230.154.38]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id g1CKQlc32525 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:26:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:45:23 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Automatic bulleting etc. To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro My mailbox is very eratic since mid december last year. But just some thoughts on Robin Phillips' initial problem of using styles with bulleting. Some references: On Sun 20 Jan, David Graddol wrote: > > Robin Phillips wrote: > > > > ...Jan tells me the most satisfactory way to use this autoinsertion is > > to define a style, ..... A style specifically for the bullet is what you want to use. So there can be different styles. The main use of said style is to define the (symbol) font you want to use for the bulleting. It is *not* the style you use for the text of your story. > ... That's fine, but defining a style implied choosing a > > font, so far as I can see. And I am constantly choosing different fonts > > (Baskerville, Bembo, etc.) for different jobs, ..... I presume you here mean a main "Bodystyle". Being used for the main part of your text. Which has nothing to do with the style you create/need for bulleting. Have another look at the document I sent you. > won't to. You can have a 'bulleted' list style which leaves the > font selection as 'don't care' - so whatever the existing font > (eg bodystyle) is retained. Which can give some very interesting results. Maybe not at all times quite what you want for simple bulleting. > However, if you create documents with different housestyles, the > best thing is usually to create a stylesheet or empty document > for each house style. After all, differences between house > styles are usually more than a matter of the font. So you may but the following line: > want to define a different bulletted list style in each master > document anyway. is possibly better understood if it stated: " .......define additionally a different bulletted list style ..." ^^^^^^^^^^^^ A symbol font is used for bulleting. So you must define that symbol font in a specific style and then when using the bulleting styles refer to this specific style. JohnvV P.S. I presently receive mailings with major problems. Today I received 61 mailings dated between 2 and 11 February, while in the past 8 days I could not download any mails. And some mailings have disappeared. Therefore excuse me if I am somewhat *slow* in answering. JMvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 12 23:08:23 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161662 for opro ; Tue, 12 Feb 102 23:08:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013545160:20:29181:95; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:19:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2112053; 12 Feb 2002 20:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1CKJkE07852 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:19:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CKJhi07849 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:19:43 GMT Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ajNq-0009Sk-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:18:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:17:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: Altering Text Size To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <7c0ec9074b.Gerald@virgin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 12 Feb, Gerald Cobbe wrote: > Hi Folks, > Having used Ovation Pro for a few months now I have noticed that one > of the differences with other RiscOS programmes is that you can only > vary the text size to 8, 10, 12, 14, 18, 24, or 36 pts. > Most other RiscOS applications allow you to fine tune the text to any > size you want, a most useful facility. > Having been through the OP manual I can find no reference to this (or do > I need to change my glasses!). > Alternatively, is there an applet that I've missed that would allow me > to vary the text in such a way? > > My apologies if this has come up before and I've missed it. > If you go to the bottom of the menu, you will notice that there appears to be a blank line below 36pt. This is a writeable icon. If you position the pointer in this space, a caret will appear and you will find can type in whatever size you wish, be it points, inches, mm, etc. -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 13:13:59 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161679 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 13:13:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013568348:20:24421:61; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:45:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024384; 13 Feb 2002 2:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1D2jVv08851 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:45:31 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1D2jTi08848 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:45:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16apP7-000E2b-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:44:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:44:13 GMT Message-Id: <161675@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spell check crashes OPro & MessengerPRO X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Symptoms - if I add word(s) to the UserDict during a spell check on >either an email or newsgroup posting, or an OPro document, it causes the >application concerned to crash completely. OPro gives the following >error: With due appologies I'd suspect a corrupt dictionary. There was a saga stretching over 10 years where the spell check code would corrupt dictionaries. That is now fixed, but avoiding corruption means upgrading all your applications (i.e. the spell module used by Messanger) and replacing all your dictionaries (on the off chance one is corrupt). Bear in mind that OP documents can have a dictionary embedded in them. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 13:14:15 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161686 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 13:14:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013599730:10:05917:97; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:28:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006519; 13 Feb 2002 11:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DBSt210091 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:28:55 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DBSqi10088 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:28:53 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g1DBRWX01668 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:27:33 GMT Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:40:44 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > As to VA in general, whatever the legal outcome it provides an intriguing > problem for ROSL. I don't understand why ROSL don't see this as a wonderful opportunity Surly if VA becomes popular they can sell lots more copies of RO4 to run on it OK there are legal issues to sort out, but I would have thought any chance for ROSL to get some money would be worth investigating Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 13:14:35 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161693 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 13:14:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013602800:10:07752:102; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:20:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112808; 13 Feb 2002 12:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DCK1F10282 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:20:01 GMT Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk (mail-r.hw.ac.uk [137.195.101.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DCJwi10279 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:19:58 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ayMx-0008Lk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:18:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:12:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <4b0823d973C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.27) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanner: exiscan *16ayMx-0008Lk-00*hoLzpSiK64I* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , wrote: > > As to VA in general, whatever the legal outcome it provides an > > intriguing problem for ROSL. > I don't understand why ROSL don't see this as a wonderful > opportunity Surly if VA becomes popular they can sell lots more > copies of RO4 to run on it > OK there are legal issues to sort out, but I would have thought > any chance for ROSL to get some money would be worth investigating Most supporters of VA seem to be losing sight of another very important factor. How many sales of machines with native RISC OS will be lost for the hardware manufacturers/suppliers. In the longer term, the health of RISC OS as an operating system must depend on the availability of such machines. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 13:14:59 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161701 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 13:14:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013604783:10:05115:117; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:53:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005513; 13 Feb 2002 12:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DCr7u10457 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:53:08 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DCr5i10454 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:53:05 GMT Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16ayt2-0002DY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:51:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 4045 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 12:52:09 -0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk (143.210.40.54) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 12:52:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:51:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4b0823d973C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Space Research Centre, University of Leicester, UK X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 13 Feb, Chris Johnson wrote: > Most supporters of VA seem to be losing sight of another very important > factor. How many sales of machines with native RISC OS will be lost for > the hardware manufacturers/suppliers. Then it's up to the hardware suppliers to get some decent machines onto the market. As it stands, native RO hardware stopped dead around 1994, with the SA being the only significant development since (I don't regard Kinetic as particularly useful because with the loss of DMA one part of the system is crippled to allow another a modest speed increase). RiscStation and Microdigital have not done the market any favours by pre-announcing Evolution and Omega years before they're ready. Who's going to want to buy a RPC, Kinetic or otherwise, when there's the promise of much better hardware round the cornser but always just tantalisingly out of reach? -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.uk/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 13:15:06 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161704 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 13:15:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013605065:20:26581:135; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:57:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120892; 13 Feb 2002 12:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DCwQV10537 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:58:26 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DCwNi10532 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:58:23 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ayy8-000Gmd-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:57:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:49:08 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g1DCwNi10533 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g1DCwQW10537 On 13 Feb 2002, in message , andy.ling@quantel.com wrote: >=20 >=20 > > As to VA in general, whatever the legal outcome it provides an intrig= uing > > problem for ROSL. >=20 > I don't understand why ROSL don't see this as a wonderful opportunity > Surly if VA becomes popular they can sell lots more copies of RO4 > to run on it >=20 > OK there are legal issues to sort out, but I would have thought > any chance for ROSL to get some money would be worth investigating >=20 You've not been paying attention :-) Although none of us are privy to many of the facts, the situation appears to be this: 1. ROSL allegedly have an *exclusive* license agreement with Pace to distribute RISC OS for desktop use. 2. Pace have allegedly subsequently granted a licence to Aaron Timbrell t= o distribute RISC OS 3.11 for desktop use under an emulator. Presumably any royalties go to Pace, not ROSL. 3. Nobody knows whether ROSL have been approached to supply RO 4 for the emulator. Nobody knows whether their license from Pace allows them to do = so, even if they had. Nobody knows whether the price Aaron is prepared/able t= o pay would constitute "wonderful opportunity" for ROSL. 4. It is arguable, that if people can use RO 3.11 under an emulator costi= ng =A329, then the (already small) market for RO4, costing =A3100 will be significantly reduced. A large percentage of the cost of RO 4 is put towa= rds further development; It is pretty certain that VA have no OS development element in their price. However, even at this low cost, people are justif= ying to themselves their use of the free product with ripped off copies of the= OS. 5. The availability of the emulator, in particular in its cut-down form, = is perceived by ROSL to be a real threat to their survival, due to the ease = of which the OS can be copied by unscrupulous individuals. At least one contributor to this thread has attested that it is technically possible t= o run a copy of RISC OS 4, contrary to any license agreement, under the emulator. ISTM that as things stand, there are no wonderful opportunities here for anyone except, possibly, VA and other 3rd-party RISC OS software develope= rs, including DP. However, if ROSL is forced to pack its bags over this issue= , those opportunities are likely to be wonderfully short-lived. We can all hope that the problem can be resolved to the benefit of all, i= n particular ROSL. --=20 Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 13:15:08 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161705 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 13:15:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013604969:10:09760:101; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:56:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009933; 13 Feb 2002 12:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DCuWT10497 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:56:32 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DCuTi10494 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:56:30 GMT Received: from modem-1918.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.231.126] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16aywJ-0005oY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:55:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:45:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <4b0826e6c1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b0823d973C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <4b0823d973C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b0823d973C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > wrote: > > > As to VA in general, whatever the legal outcome it provides an > > > intriguing problem for ROSL. > > I don't understand why ROSL don't see this as a wonderful > > opportunity Surly if VA becomes popular they can sell lots more > > copies of RO4 to run on it > > OK there are legal issues to sort out, but I would have thought > > any chance for ROSL to get some money would be worth investigating > Most supporters of VA seem to be losing sight of another very > important factor. How many sales of machines with native RISC OS will > be lost for the hardware manufacturers/suppliers. In the longer term, > the health of RISC OS as an operating system must depend on the > availability of such machines. I disagree. The health of the RISC OS market and platform depends on the number of machines running RISC OS, be they under emulation or native. I have no intention of buying new hardware for RISC OS and was seriously considering selling my Risc PC and moving to the PC completely. The reason? Because there is no serious software being developed on RISC OS that can compete with applications available relatively cheaply on the PC. Now I love using RISC OS and prefer to use Ovation Pro, Zap and Pluto rather than any PC apps, but that's about it. There is so much that I have to do on the PC because there isn't any RISC OS software to do it and it is getting a bit silly running two computers - which take up a lot of space - to carry out my day to day work. Space is a premium when working from home. I now have the option of running RISC OS from inside Windows and doing all the work on one machine. I had hoped to see Chyber, or whatever Jason Tribbeck was going to call the card, produced and run RISC OS inside my PC. That unfortunately never materialised, but Virtual Acorn seems to be the next best thing. Ovation Pro will be available as a PC version within a few months and probably would have been enough to make me leave RISC OS altogether. VA has given me a chance to use - and more importantly for the platform - buy more RISC OS software. With users of Virtual Acorn who don't have an Arm computer and would never consider buying one (don't forget that PCs are cheap), there is now a potentially much bigger market for software writers to write RISC OS apps for. Virtual Acorn can probably sell many more copies than hardware manufacturers can sell Arm computers - which means it is now cost effective to write software for an expending platform. The more advanced the version of RISC OS that VA will run under, the more copies will be sold and the more potential software sales of other applications to run on it. Those who want to run RISC OS on native machines can still do so when Omega etc eventually arrive, but these wouldn't have sold anyway to VA users. A lot of RISC OS retailers also sell PCs, so they aren't losing sales of hardware but now have the ability to sell more PCs. OK, the above sounds a bit simplistic, but I think that Virtual Acorn is probably the best thing that has happened to RISC OS since Acorn left. RiscStation et al have done stirling work in providing new hardware, but I don't really think they have moved the platform on by gaining many new users. VA can do that and also keep existing ones. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 18:01:05 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161713 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 18:01:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013611312:10:00066:150; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:41:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123571; 13 Feb 2002 14:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DEUwu10995 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:30:58 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DEUui10992 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:30:56 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g1DETfX23183 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:29:42 GMT Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:57:56 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g1DEUvi10993 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g1DEUwv10995 >> > As to VA in general, whatever the legal outcome it provides an intriguing >> > problem for ROSL. >> >> I don't understand why ROSL don't see this as a wonderful opportunity >> Surly if VA becomes popular they can sell lots more copies of RO4 >> to run on it >> >> OK there are legal issues to sort out, but I would have thought >> any chance for ROSL to get some money would be worth investigating >> > You've not been paying attention :-) I have, but only to this thread :-) snip about legal issues..... What I was trying to say was, assuming the legal aspects can be sorted out there is potential for ROSL to sell RO4 to VA users and use the money from these sales to fund further development. Not being privvy to the various agreements that have been made, I cannot comment on the legal aspects. For the remainder of this discussion I am assuming something can be worked out which lets ROSL sell to VA users and VA can carry on selling RO 3.11 > 4. It is arguable, that if people can use RO 3.11 under an emulator costing > =A329, then the (already small) market for RO4, costing =A3100 will be > significantly reduced. I don't see this. This suggests there is no reason for anybody running RO3.11 to upgrade to RO4. Why wouldn't people running VA want to upgrade to RO4? Aaron can carry on selling VA with RO3.11 and when the users find out how good RiscOS is they can buy an upgrade from ROSL. > A large percentage of the cost of RO 4 is put towards > further development; It is pretty certain that VA have no OS developmen= t > element in their price. That's because there is no OS development to be done. They sell RO3.11 period If you want a better OS - hard luck or act illegally. Whereas if ROSL wer= e a bit friendlier towards VA they could provide this better OS and get mon= ey for development. > However, even at this low cost, people are justifying > to themselves their use of the free product with ripped off copies of t= he OS. > 5. The availability of the emulator, in particular in its cut-down form= , is > perceived by ROSL to be a real threat to their survival, due to the eas= e of > which the OS can be copied by unscrupulous individuals. I still don't see why it is a threat. The OS can be easily copied as it i= s and used on machines which provide no money to ROSL. This is a fact of software life. This is becoming even more true as RO4 becomes more disk based. > We can all hope that the problem can be resolved to the benefit of all, in > particular ROSL. I'll agree with you on that point :-) Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 18:01:59 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161728 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 18:01:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013618110:20:13642:74; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:35:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104728; 13 Feb 2002 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DGWhs11348 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:32:43 GMT Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DGWei11345 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:32:40 GMT Received: from host217-34-94-6.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.94.6] helo=acornrpc) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16b2JV-00014A-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:31:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:30:29 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spell check crashes OPro & MessengerPRO Message-ID: References: <161675@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161675@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 13 Feb, David Pilling exclaimed: > >> Symptoms - if I add word(s) to the UserDict during a spell check on >> either an email or newsgroup posting, or an OPro document, it causes >> the application concerned to crash completely. OPro gives the >> following error: > > With due appologies I'd suspect a corrupt dictionary. There was a saga > stretching over 10 years where the spell check code would corrupt > dictionaries. That is now fixed, but avoiding corruption means > upgrading all your applications (i.e. the spell module used by > Messanger) and replacing all your dictionaries (on the off chance one > is corrupt). I did re-install the !Words app from the OPro CD-ROM, but Messenger still crashes on some spell checks - it isn't consistent, so it's very difficult to pinpoint. I've gone back to using the Impression spell module for spell checking emails in ZapEmail, but it's read only so I can't add new words to it. > Bear in mind that OP documents can have a dictionary embedded in them. > That would explain why some documents work fine but others crash. Is there a way to remove the embedded dictionary without saving the text out and recreating the document? It is only a single page, and not in the least complex, so it would not be a problem to do this. Is the !Spell software advertised on your web site suitable for use with OPro, etc? -- Brian Howlett -------------------------------------------------------------- Windows has detected that the mouse has been moved. You must restart Windows for the new setting to take effect... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 21:52:53 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161751 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 21:52:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013627171:20:13379:112; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:06:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013121; 13 Feb 2002 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DJ5mV11811 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:05:48 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DJ5ki11808 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:05:46 GMT Received: from [62.188.132.70] (helo=62.188.132.70) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16b4kJ-00066a-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:07:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:03:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: StylePal Message-ID: <4b08497cfbpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I like the Style Palette applet, and do use it. However, I don't want it to pop up every time I open an OPro document, but only when I click on its button bar icon. I know you have to do something to the Choices file in the applet to make this happen, but (1) what do you do? and (2) how do you change the numbers in square brackets in this file (hex numbers?) using either StrongEd or Edit? TIA, Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 23:32:40 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161768 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 23:32:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013637055:10:20412:60; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:50:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020138; 13 Feb 2002 21:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DLp8r12242 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:51:08 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DLovi12238 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:50:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16b7H5-000L8H-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:49:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:14:46 GMT Message-Id: <161737@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I don't understand why ROSL don't see this as a wonderful opportunity Well, the scenario, is to take VA and develop it aggresively. That means the current hardware developers will be put to the sword, a bit like those who designed addons for the Phoebe they'll lose their investments. Soon afterwards companies selling Acorn hardware will also lose business - no more 100 quid network cards etc. But ROSL would sell more copies of RISC OS 4, it's probably true that there are a lot of people who no longer have Acorn kit who would welcome the chance to access old programs and documents. The trouble is what then - I can't seriously believe the wider Windows world is going to buy VA and run RISC OS software. So its a one off chance to sell some copies of RISC OS 4, after which people will migrate to using native Windows software. Most of ROSL development plans seem to be based on hardware developers funding work - thats exactly what VA will stop. For users VA is a wonderful opportunity, get rid of the old hardware, and use your old software until you've migrated to new programs. In the long run, it may be surprising what happens, Pace and others have always gone on about the need for development machines i.e. having some native RISC OS hardware to program on, given ROSL's interest in the embedded OS market VA may become their friend at the end of the day. Somewhere down the line ROSL had an agreement that they'd only supply RISC OS on ROM, one can see how VA will upset that mode of thought, and it would (as all software is) be pirated, sales would only be a fraction of the number of copies in use. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 23:33:02 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161774 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 23:32:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013637551:10:00709:82; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:59:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104449; 13 Feb 2002 21:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DLps012275 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:51:54 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DLppi12271 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:51:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16b7HB-000L8H-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:49:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:35:38 GMT Message-Id: <161739@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spell check crashes OPro & MessengerPRO X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I did re-install the !Words app from the OPro CD-ROM Catches here are (a) you've got more than one copy of !Words on the one machine and you've replaced the one which isn't in use (b) you just copied files over the old one, and have copy options which don't clobber destination files. >but Messenger still crashes on some spell checks Messenger can of course only use dictionaries on disc. >> Bear in mind that OP documents can have a dictionary embedded in them. >That would explain why some documents work fine but others crash. Is >there a way to remove the embedded dictionary without saving the text Yes. Misc->Spell check->dictionary, find the dictionary called !Ignore and delete it. >Is the !Spell software advertised on your web site suitable for use with >OPro, etc? Yes, but you'd not use it with OP because OP does just about everything Spell does. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 23:33:14 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161777 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 23:33:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013638469:20:04745:109; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:14:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106885; 13 Feb 2002 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DMFBm12491 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:15:11 GMT Received: from fisher.vip.uk.com (fisher.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DMF9i12488 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:15:09 GMT Received: from modem-155-44-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.44.155] helo=localhost) by fisher.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16b7eq-0002k7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:13:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:11:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: StylePal Message-ID: <4b085aac46rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b08497cfbpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b08497cfbpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b08497cfbpnyoung@argonet.co.uk>, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > I like the Style Palette applet, and do use it. > However, I don't want it to pop up every time I open an > OPro document, but only when I click on its button bar icon. > I know you have to do something to the Choices file in > the applet to make this happen, but (1) what do you do? and > (2) how do you change the numbers in square brackets in this > file (hex numbers?) using either StrongEd or Edit? As another delighted user of StylePal from a little further south in Glos (Stroud area) I would like to know how to get StylePal on my button bar - this would be useful as I always seen to lose it at least once during a session - if I had this I, too, would prefer StylePal not to appear on loading OVPro. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 23:33:18 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161779 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 23:33:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013639046:20:21601:117; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:24:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021302; 13 Feb 2002 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DMOPd12581 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:24:25 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DMOMi12577 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:24:23 GMT Received: from armlink.demon.co.uk ([193.237.218.68] helo=riscpc) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16b7nk-0000zU-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:22:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:22:33 GMT From: John Woodthorpe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Postscript and PDF Message-ID: <1fb65b084b.lists@armlink.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: ArmLink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.27) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I know this has been discussed before and I've had a look at the previous postings, but I don't seem to be able to find something that covers this. It concerns the use of Fill combined with files printed to PostScript Level 2 (via Printers 1.64a, and 1.62), and then converted to PDF with RiScript 4.14. If objects (e.g. clipart in Draw format) are filled (hatched) in Ovation Pro (2.66), they look fine when printed or viewed on-screen. However when printed to PS and converted to PDF, the hatching overflows the images they should be included in. We've tried printing with PostScript Screen ticked and "dot" selected (as mentioned in the manual and in previous postings here), but that doesn't help. A sample of the PDF is at http://www.armlink.demon.co.uk/Export.pdf - it's only 14KB in size. The six circles at the bottom show the effect. In each case the hatched segment should be the one starting from 12 o'clock and moving clockwise. Ignore the six at the top - they're part of the experimenting. Can anyone suggest what to do to sort it out please? They're part of my wife's PGCE assignment, and so we have to convert the document into a format that PC users can read. Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Freelance journalist and learning consultant. FoxPop Editorial Board Member: http://www.foxpop.co.uk/ ArmLink: RISC OS-Psion Connectivity http://www.armlink.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 13 23:33:25 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161781 for opro ; Wed, 13 Feb 102 23:33:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013640387:20:27627:109; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:46:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027225; 13 Feb 2002 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DMkuU12719 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:46:56 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DMksi12716 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:46:54 GMT Received: from modem-55.helium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.1.55] helo=riscpc) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16b89a-0000Tm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:45:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:38:58 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript and PDF Message-ID: References: <1fb65b084b.lists@armlink.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1fb65b084b.lists@armlink.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <1fb65b084b.lists@armlink.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi, > > I know this has been discussed before and I've had a look at the > previous postings, but I don't seem to be able to find something that > covers this. It concerns the use of Fill combined with files printed to > PostScript Level 2 (via Printers 1.64a, and 1.62), and then converted to > PDF with RiScript 4.14. > > If objects (e.g. clipart in Draw format) are filled (hatched) in Ovation > Pro (2.66), they look fine when printed or viewed on-screen. However > when printed to PS and converted to PDF, the hatching overflows the > images they should be included in. > > We've tried printing with PostScript Screen ticked and "dot" selected > (as mentioned in the manual and in previous postings here), but that > doesn't help. > > A sample of the PDF is at http://www.armlink.demon.co.uk/Export.pdf - > it's only 14KB in size. The six circles at the bottom show the effect. > In each case the hatched segment should be the one starting from 12 > o'clock and moving clockwise. Ignore the six at the top - they're part of > the experimenting. > > Can anyone suggest what to do to sort it out please? They're part of my > wife's PGCE assignment, and so we have to convert the document into a > format that PC users can read. > > Regards, > > John This is a known problem with both RiScript and Taborca. Both convert the file to Draw format, then to PDF. The draw format doesn't allow clipping paths to be defined, so the fill areas don't get clipped. You can produce PDF from these using Ghostscript - available for download (but I don't know where) and on the Foundation CDs. You need to install it onto a RO4 format disk, or into a RAfs directory, as it uses both long names and >70 files per directory. The resulting PDF displays with lighter text on screen than the originals, but appears to print OK. Anyone know why this is? -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 14 01:35:02 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161790 for opro ; Thu, 14 Feb 102 01:34:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013644718:10:22945:62; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:58:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124024; 13 Feb 2002 23:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DNwwX12960 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:58:58 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DNwui12957 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:58:56 GMT Received: from modem-616.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.138.104] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16b9HH-0002Gq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:57:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:38:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <4b0862a33erayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161737@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161737@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <161737@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I don't understand why ROSL don't see this as a wonderful opportunity > Well, the scenario, is to take VA and develop it aggresively. That > means the current hardware developers will be put to the sword, a bit > like those who designed addons for the Phoebe they'll lose their > investments. Hardware development for RISC OS is so far behind and so late that it just isn't taken seriously anymore. > Soon afterwards companies selling Acorn hardware will also lose > business - no more 100 quid network cards etc. But ROSL would sell more > copies of RISC OS 4, it's probably true that there are a lot of people > who no longer have Acorn kit who would welcome the chance to access old > programs and documents. Which brings back more ex-RISC OS users who may buy new software. If they pay out for RISC OS 4 on VA, then they are serious and software writers now have a larger market. > The trouble is what then - I can't seriously believe the wider Windows > world is going to buy VA and run RISC OS software. But they aren't buying RISC OS harware either at the moment. I think more Windows (or at least ex-RISC OS users now using Windows) are going to pay for VA and a fast copy of RISC OS than would buy a new Arm/RISC OS machine. > So its a one off chance to sell some copies of RISC OS 4, after which > people will migrate to using native Windows software. Which is more copies of RO 4 than would be sold without VA. People like myself will welcome the chance to use RISC OS and Windows apps on the same machine. It's a bit like a reversal of the PC card scenario with RISC OS running at a good speed under emulation, rather than a slow and barely useable Windows run on the PC card. > Most of ROSL development plans seem to be based on hardware developers > funding work - thats exactly what VA will stop. But some hardware manufacturers have openly complained that RISCOS Ltd are not providing them with what they want. > For users VA is a wonderful opportunity, get rid of the old hardware, > and use your old software until you've migrated to new programs. A lot of users, like myself, have networked a RISC OS machine with a PC for some time in an attempt to get the best of both worlds. It is now getting to the stage where keeping two machines going is not productive. VA is an opportunity to use the one (fast PC) machine to again have the best of both worlds, but with less hardware. > In the long run, it may be surprising what happens, Pace and others > have always gone on about the need for development machines i.e. having > some native RISC OS hardware to program on, given ROSL's interest in > the embedded OS market VA may become their friend at the end of the day. > Somewhere down the line ROSL had an agreement that they'd only supply > RISC OS on ROM, one can see how VA will upset that mode of thought, and > it would (as all software is) be pirated, sales would only be a > fraction of the number of copies in use. But doesn't that arguement apply to any software produced over the years? If people want to pirate it they will - and probably are already. With a bigger user base, at least there will be a lot more copies sold legitimitely - which must be better and more encouraging for the software writers. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 14 01:35:11 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161792 for opro ; Thu, 14 Feb 102 01:35:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013644718:10:22946:59; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:58:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124078; 13 Feb 2002 23:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1DNx6d12966 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:59:06 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DNx3i12963 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:59:03 GMT Received: from modem-616.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.138.104] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16b9HN-0002Gq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:57:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:41:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: StylePal Message-ID: <4b0862fa50rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b085aac46rod@argonet.co.uk> References: <4b08497cfbpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> <4b085aac46rod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g1DNx3i12964 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4b085aac46rod@argonet.co.uk>, rod a wrote: > In article <4b08497cfbpnyoung@argonet.co.uk>, > Dr P.N.Young wrote: > > I like the Style Palette applet, and do use it. > > However, I don't want it to pop up every time I open an > > OPro document, but only when I click on its button bar icon. > > I know you have to do something to the Choices file in > > the applet to make this happen, but (1) what do you do? and > > (2) how do you change the numbers in square brackets in this > > file (hex numbers?) using either StrongEd or Edit? > As another delighted user of StylePal from a little further > south in Glos (Stroud area) I would like to know how to get > StylePal on my button bar - this would be useful as I always > seen to lose it at least once during a session - if I had this > I, too, would prefer StylePal not to appear on loading OVPro. It's available via Menu...Misc...Macros. Towards the bottom of the selection window are Stylepal and Textpal. Tick the box to the right, Save, and they should appear. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 14 13:33:03 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161798 for opro ; Thu, 14 Feb 102 13:33:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013668913:10:25948:199; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:41:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026281; 14 Feb 2002 6:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1E6IGG13892 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:18:16 GMT Received: from mail.wave.co.nz (IDENT:root@mail.wave.co.nz [203.96.216.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E6IBi13889 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:18:12 GMT Received: from albion (p61.hn1.wave.co.nz [203.96.192.61]) by mail.wave.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06941 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:16:38 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:59:52 +1300 Subject: StylePal Message-ID: <4b08859468kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 14 Feb, Ray Dawson wrote: [snip] > It's available via Menu...Misc...Macros. Towards the bottom of the > selection window are Stylepal and Textpal. Tick the box to the right, > Save, and they should appear. Wow! Well I never knew that. I have always been frustrated moving it around again and again to vacate real estate I need to see. Isn't this simple? Thanks Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 14 13:33:07 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161801 for opro ; Thu, 14 Feb 102 13:33:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013676805:10:02738:60; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:53:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122738; 14 Feb 2002 8:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1E8qZq14240 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:52:35 GMT Received: from exchange1.sle.sharp.co.uk (hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.133.140.101]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E8qWi14237 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:52:32 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by exchange1.sle.sharp.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange id 1X2TQRK3; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:47:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3C6B7AA2.6000706@sharp.co.uk> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:51:46 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020211 X-Accept-Language: en,ja,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript and PDF References: <1fb65b084b.lists@armlink.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams wrote: > You can produce PDF from these using Ghostscript - available for download > (but I don't know where) and on the Foundation CDs. Download is at http://www.acornusers.org/ghostscript > The resulting PDF displays with lighter text on screen than the originals, > but appears to print OK. Anyone know why this is? Interesting, I've not seen or heard of that one before! Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 14 13:33:08 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161800 for opro ; Thu, 14 Feb 102 13:33:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013650360:20:17677:58; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:32:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108847; 14 Feb 2002 1:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1E1Wo513294 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:32:50 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E1Wmi13291 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:32:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16bAk7-000Hqh-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:31:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:41:03 GMT Message-Id: <161788@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: StylePal X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I like the Style Palette applet, and do use it. However, I don't want it >to pop up every time I open an OPro document, but only when I click on its >button bar icon. I know you have to do something to the Choices file in >the applet to make this happen, but (1) what do you do? This is something which has been discussed here at length. I think you're talking about Nick Kaijaks improved version of the applet. In which case, the choices file stores the open/closed state of the palette and is written every time you toggle this. So there's nothing to gain by editing the choices file. The quick hack would be to close the style palette and then write protect the choices file - preventing it from being changed again. More technical, edit this bit, extra line arrowed... ============================================================================ void stylepal_readchoices(void) { int h; h = fileopen(stylepal_path + ".Choices", "rb"); if(h) { stylepal_palette = filegetc(h); stylepal_centre = filegetc(h); fileclose(h); } else { // use 1=open on startup, 0=closed on startup stylepal_centre = 1; // use 1=palette centred, 0=template file position } stylepal_palette = 0; // <------------------- } ============================================================================== I suspect that has just undone Nicks work. >I would like to know how to get StylePal on my button bar - this would be >useful as I always seen to lose it at least once during a session - if I had >this I, too, would prefer StylePal not to appear on loading OVPro. Install Nick Kaijaks version of the applet. Misc Menu->macros, scroll to the end, tick the button on the right (for stylepal), save macros. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 14 13:33:19 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161805 for opro ; Thu, 14 Feb 102 13:33:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013677980:20:06513:244; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:13:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102863; 14 Feb 2002 9:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1E9Ceg14358 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:12:40 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E9Cbi14355 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:12:37 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16bHv1-0008mn-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:11:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:44:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) Message-ID: <4b08423688Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > ... A large percentage of the cost of RO 4 is put towards further > development Really? I'd have thought that it barely managed to cover its own costs. Why do you think there's enough dosh left to cover more work? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 14 17:35:30 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161809 for opro ; Thu, 14 Feb 102 17:35:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013693529:10:26339:137; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:32:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119642; 14 Feb 2002 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1EDV3g14993 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:31:03 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EDV0i14989 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:31:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16bLwy-000728-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:29:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:36:24 GMT Message-Id: <161794@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Loading OP on Virtual Acorn (Was: Re: Error from Arcfax...) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hardware development for RISC OS is so far behind and so late that it >just isn't taken seriously anymore. Blaming the hardware people is legitimate. If the hardware can be outdone by an emulator they deserve what is coming (says a software person). >Which brings back more ex-RISC OS users who may buy new software. Hmm. >I think more Windows (or at least ex-RISC OS users now using Windows) are >going to pay for VA and a fast copy of RISC OS than would buy a new Arm/RISC >OS machine. I've no doubt, but that doesn't mean ROSL will make more money. >But some hardware manufacturers have openly complained that RISCOS Ltd >are not providing them with what they want. Anyone can have anything, just supply enough money (I imagine). >> RISC OS on ROM, one can see how VA will upset that mode of thought, and >> it would (as all software is) be pirated, sales would only be a >But doesn't that arguement apply to any software produced over the years? Yes, but it changes the numbers. Say there are 10,000 potential users of VA - thats 10,000 copies of RISC OS 4 one can sell? No it's 1000 copies. And I suspect no one is offering to pay 500 quid a go for VA loaded with RO4. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 14 21:27:44 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161819 for opro ; Thu, 14 Feb 102 21:27:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013712457:20:29175:200; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:47:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000510; 14 Feb 2002 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1EIl5715794 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:47:05 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.freedom2.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EIl2i15791 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:47:02 GMT Received: from [62.188.146.184] (helo=62.188.146.184) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16bQv0-00087U-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:48:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:42:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: StylePal Message-ID: <4b08cb65acpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161788@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161788@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <161788@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I like the Style Palette applet, and do use it. However, I don't want > >it to pop up every time I open an OPro document, but only when I click > >on its button bar icon. I know you have to do something to the Choices > >file in the applet to make this happen, but (1) what do you do? > This is something which has been discussed here at length. Yes, I do remember that, but I didn't remember the solution. > void stylepal_readchoices(void) > { > int h; > h = fileopen(stylepal_path + ".Choices", "rb"); > if(h) > { > stylepal_palette = filegetc(h); > stylepal_centre = filegetc(h); > fileclose(h); > } > else > { > // use 1=open on startup, 0=closed on startup > stylepal_centre = 1; // use 1=palette centred, 0=template file position > } > stylepal_palette = 0; // <------------------- > } > ============================================================================== > I suspect that has just undone Nicks work. It's certainly done the trick for me. Many thanks. Best wishes, peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 15 02:30:49 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161824 for opro ; Fri, 15 Feb 102 02:30:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013722849:10:22513:70; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:40:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128204; 14 Feb 2002 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1ELd8d16244 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:39:08 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ELd3i16240 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:39:03 GMT Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-76.spectraweb.ch [194.230.116.76]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id g1ELbLc25065 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:37:21 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:59:48 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: StylePal To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4b08859468kh@waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 14 Feb, Keith Hopper wrote: > > On 14 Feb, Ray Dawson wrote: > > [snip] > > > It's available via Menu...Misc...Macros. Towards the bottom of the > > selection window are Stylepal and Textpal. Tick the box to the right, > > Save, and they should appear. > > Wow! Well I never knew that. I have always been frustrated moving it > around again and again to vacate real estate I need to see. Isn't this > simple? And initially Dr Young mentioned changing a file within the applet. If I am not mistaken one of the problems seen with the style applet is that it probably appears mid screen. But this need not be. You can program the applet to always appear where you want it. This can be done as follows: Around line 37 of the file !StylePal.Library.StylePal you read: stylepal_centre = 0; // use 1=palette centred, 0=template file position Change this to read stylepal_centre = 1; // use 1=palet ........etc. Now load the templates file in ....AResources.Templates into template editor, double-click on ' stylepal_m ' , then position the window that appears where you want it. Then save the templates file. Reload OvationPro. There is one snag to this: if you position said window near the top or right boundary of a 1280 x 1024 screen and then revert to a lower resolution screen, say 800 x 600, the style window will be out of view... The same can be done with !ColPal and !PagePal. The Nudge palette has its own menu to handle this (Menu> Applets> Nudge palette). Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 15 02:30:50 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161825 for opro ; Fri, 15 Feb 102 02:30:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013722831:20:06254:73; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:40:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124835; 14 Feb 2002 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1ELd7416243 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:39:07 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ELd2i16236 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:39:02 GMT Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-76.spectraweb.ch [194.230.116.76]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id g1ELbKc25055 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:37:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:55:35 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Altering Text Size To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <7c0ec9074b.Gerald@virgin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 12 Feb, Gerald Cobbe wrote: snip some > Having been through the OP manual I can find no reference to this (or do > I need to change my glasses!). Once you have new glasses, you might find the contents of page 43 (chapter 4) of the new manual interesting ;-)) Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 15 02:30:53 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161826 for opro ; Fri, 15 Feb 102 02:30:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013728261:20:01449:227; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:11:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002185; 14 Feb 2002 23:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1ENBcH16570 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:11:38 GMT Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-svc.virgin.net [62.253.164.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ENBai16567 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:11:36 GMT Received: from localhost.com ([62.255.12.75]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020214230959.XRQC12055.mta1-svc.virgin.net@localhost.com> for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:09:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:08:48 GMT From: Gerald Cobbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Altering Text Size- Glasses problem solved! Message-ID: <3ac8e3084b.Gerald@virgin.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue 12 Feb, Gerald Cobbe wrote: > > snip some > > > Having been through the OP manual I can find no reference to this (or do > > I need to change my glasses!). > > Once you have new glasses, you might find the contents of page 43 > (chapter 4) of the new manual interesting ;-)) It's amazing how much more one can see by simply cleaning one's glasses occasionally!! Thanks for the info. -- Gerald -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 19 16:42:16 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161926 for opro ; Tue, 19 Feb 102 16:42:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013959116:10:18832:59; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:18:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1018779; 17 Feb 2002 15:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1HFHNM23801 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:17:23 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HFHKi23798 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:17:20 GMT Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16cT1s-000FCv-0Z for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:15:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:10:53 GMT From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.64 (16 Oct 01) Subject: Spell Check and Ignore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Just been playing around with the spell checker and the Ignore dictionaries, never used that feature before. I might have got this wrong, quite often do, but with Save Ignored Words unticked and the minimum word length set to six characters when I used the spellcheck on some rough text with a lot of mistakes and errors in it the spellcheck did not correct words below six chars long. Does the Minimum word lenght just affect what is saved in the ignore dictionary or what is spell checked ? cheers -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 19 16:42:19 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161927 for opro ; Tue, 19 Feb 102 16:42:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1013983106:10:03246:59; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:58:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002738; 17 Feb 2002 21:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1HLx6e24583 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:59:06 GMT Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HLx3i24580 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:59:03 GMT Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-1-dialup-195.spectraweb.ch [194.230.153.195]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id g1HLufc13569 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:56:41 +0100 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:47:13 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Spell Check and Ignore To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 17 Feb, Jon Keates wrote: > > Just been playing around with the spell checker and > the Ignore dictionaries, never used that feature before. > > I might have got this wrong, quite often do, but with > Save Ignored Words unticked and the minimum word length > set to six characters when I used the spellcheck on some > rough text with a lot of mistakes and errors in it the > spellcheck did not correct words below six chars long. One question comes to mind: did this happen after the first time you "played" with this ignore facility or a subsequent time? See what is stated in the final paragraph on page 210 of the manual (in chapter 14). Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 19 23:40:18 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162002 for opro ; Tue, 19 Feb 102 23:40:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1014154642:20:21537:76; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:37:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022159; 19 Feb 2002 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1JLb1q30550 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:37:01 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JLaxi30546 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:36:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16dHtm-000DJF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:34:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:54:31 GMT Message-Id: <161950@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spell Check and Ignore X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Min word length affects what is spell checked. It doesn't have a direct link with the ignore dictionary. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 20 03:36:26 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162008 for opro ; Wed, 20 Feb 102 03:36:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1014161869:20:00839:83; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:37:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120064; 19 Feb 2002 23:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1JNdhq30931 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:39:43 GMT Received: from post.guernsey.net (frantic.guernsey.net [195.226.128.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HLoOi24558 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:50:24 GMT Received: from guernsey.net ([195.226.129.69]) by post.guernsey.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01693 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:54:56 GMT Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:44:32 GMT From: Ian Hunter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: nudge pallette Message-ID: <0593670a4b.ianhunter@ianhunter.guernsey.net> References: <200202142312.g1ENC7b16580@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200202142312.g1ENC7b16580@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Having had a bit of trouble with an apparently corrupted . I removed it and went to get another from the applets or resources site. No such luck, I couldn't find it nor any reference to it. I've searched the mailing list (back to 27/11/01) and the CD. Can anyone assist me with the site, please? -- Ian Hunter Rocque Balan Guernsey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 20 03:36:37 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162009 for opro ; Wed, 20 Feb 102 03:36:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1014161913:10:19001:69; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:38:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127749; 19 Feb 2002 23:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1JNdiV30932 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:39:44 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JNdgi30928 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:39:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16dJoi-0005sE-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:37:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:38:35 GMT Message-Id: <161996@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: nudge pallette X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Try www.crawford-print.co.uk David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 21 16:41:36 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162076 for opro ; Thu, 21 Feb 102 16:41:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1014305626:10:09186:60; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:33:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125390; 21 Feb 2002 15:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1LFXQQ03367 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:33:26 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1LFXMi03364 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:33:22 GMT Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16dvAj-0005A2-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:30:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:37:25 GMT From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spell Check and Ignore Message-ID: <75d04f0c4b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.64 (16 Oct 01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch once upon a time wrote : > On Sun 17 Feb, Jon Keates wrote: > > > > Just been playing around with the spell checker and > > the Ignore dictionaries, never used that feature before. > > > > I might have got this wrong, quite often do, but with > > Save Ignored Words unticked and the minimum word length > > set to six characters when I used the spellcheck on some > > rough text with a lot of mistakes and errors in it the > > spellcheck did not correct words below six chars long. > > One question comes to mind: did this happen after the first time you > "played" with this ignore facility or a subsequent time? > yep playing, when I'm enthusiastic, engrossed and happy I get more done and learn a lot quicker, I wasn't doing anything creative or constructive, just testing things out after having a few crashes over the last weeks. > See what is stated in the final paragraph on page 210 of the manual (in > chapter 14). > mmm, page 210 is in chapter 17, ah that reminds me some very kind person spent a lot of time making a new manual, I can't even remember to use it 8-\ thanks a lot -) -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 27 02:08:33 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162234 for opro ; Wed, 27 Feb 102 02:08:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1014764439:20:15162:88; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:00:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119591; 26 Feb 2002 23:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1QN2IP18845 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:02:18 GMT Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1NGfli09385 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:41:47 GMT Received: from [195.147.225.128] (helo=ianadunn.global.co.uk) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16efBf-00030P-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:38:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:38:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Dr Ian Dunn Subject: Have I missed anything ? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dr Ian Dunn X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ay up seems vary quiet how there . How's the PC port comig along ? Ian -- Dr Ian Dunn 010101 at last in the 21st Century Use RISC OS - You know it makes sense Derbyshire Area Risc Club (DARC) Derbyshire Area Risc Club (DARC) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 27 02:08:34 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162233 for opro ; Wed, 27 Feb 102 02:08:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1014764429:10:08269:228; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:00:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009517; 26 Feb 2002 23:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1QN2Kl18847 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:02:20 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1QN2Hi18843 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:02:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16fqXs-000Eb7-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:58:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:48:16 GMT Message-Id: <162220@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How's the PC port comig along ? Fine thanks. I've got text handing working now. Its a controversial statement, but Arial seems to be a good fit for Homerton. I have three major problems, text handling or font painting, pictures and printing. So one of those is now done. Todays Acorn Publisher raises the same comment that things have gone quiet. I've probably done more programming in recent months than for a long time. I'm not shifting many boxes, so I can spend my time programming. That programming effort is going into making up for 14 years not programming Windows - which is probably not good news if you'd rather have new features in OP instead of a Windows version. The AP article states there will be a new version of OP this Summer. Actually what there will be is the Windows version, and the first Win version will do just what the current RISC OS version does, no more. No doubt it will be greeted with the reaction that you can do that using virtual Acorn. Its actually bound to be less use because there is no chance of ArtWorks rendering on Windows. AP suggests some improvements. I like the suggestions because they're the sort of thing I could do in a few minutes. I have accumulated a few bug fixes, and I'm inclined to release version 2.67 shortly, so that you can benefit, and so I don't forget how to produce a new version... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 27 21:24:31 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162265 for opro ; Wed, 27 Feb 102 21:24:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1014843609:10:21383:62; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:00:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020636; 27 Feb 2002 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1RL3Ld21830 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:03:21 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1RL3Ji21827 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:03:19 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16gBA6-0004SY-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:58:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:46:53 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <162220@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 26 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > I have accumulated a few bug fixes, and I'm inclined to release version > 2.67 shortly, so that you can benefit, and so I don't forget how to > produce a new version... > Somehow I doubt that very much! I look forward to 2.67 and in anticipation, thank you! Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ________________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind M. Share M.A. roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / LUpus Patients Understanding & Support |_| \___/ |___/ / http://www.lupus-support.org.uk LuPUS Forums: http://www.lupus-forums.org.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 27 21:24:33 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162266 for opro ; Wed, 27 Feb 102 21:24:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1014837643:20:20966:158; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:20:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021770; 27 Feb 2002 19:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1RJNxR21582 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:23:59 GMT Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1RJNui21579 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:23:56 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-92-58.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.92.58]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AEG65127; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:19:25 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:12:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:12:08 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? Message-ID: <28fb7ff4b%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <162220@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >How's the PC port comig along ? > > Fine thanks. I've got text handing working now. Its a controversial > statement, but Arial seems to be a good fit for Homerton. They are both clones of Helvetica, aren't they? Or were you suggesting that Arial and Homerton are, well, a little closer to each other than one might expect. > Actually what there will be is the Windows version, and the first Win > version will do just what the current RISC OS version does, no more. > > No doubt it will be greeted with the reaction that you can do that using > virtual Acorn. Its actually bound to be less use because there is no > chance of ArtWorks rendering on Windows. > Ah. Will it be possible to produce a cross-platform OvPro file? i.e. one which contains bitmaps and vector graphics and which will open in either version? I understand that MArtin Wuerthner is working on an SVG export for Artworks. Would it be possible to make OvPro handle SVG? I'm rather hoping that the release of a windows version would help us continue producing new projects under Risc OS - because we can reassure clients that the files can be transferred to Windows if required. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 28 13:28:31 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162276 for opro ; Thu, 28 Feb 102 13:28:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1014852948:20:12652:76; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:35:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013743; 27 Feb 2002 23:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1RNc6N22185 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:38:06 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1RNc3i22182 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:38:03 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16gDZp-000NiI-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:33:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:38:51 GMT Message-Id: <162269@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >They are both clones of Helvetica, aren't they? Or were you >suggesting that Arial and Homerton are, well, a little closer >to each other than one might expect. My calculations show the metric widths are identical, thats not to say the actual shapes of the characters are the same. But some people say matching between them is poor. >Ah. Will it be possible to produce a cross-platform OvPro file? Thats the idea. You should be able to take any OP document you've got and open it on Windows - I can do that now. As I said ArtWorks files won't be visible on Windows. I expect Draw files will be. >Would it be possible to make OvPro handle SVG? This is not a bad idea, because I can't see making OP for RISC OS handle something like Windows Metafile. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 28 21:51:44 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162312 for opro ; Thu, 28 Feb 102 21:51:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1014931056:10:20351:105; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:17:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020738; 28 Feb 2002 21:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g1SLLJJ24991 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:21:19 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1SLLBi24988 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:21:16 GMT Received: (qmail 16089 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 21:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.26.192) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 21:16:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:07:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <162269@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 27 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > >They are both clones of Helvetica, aren't they? Or were you > >suggesting that Arial and Homerton are, well, a little closer > >to each other than one might expect. > > My calculations show the metric widths are identical, thats not > to say the actual shapes of the characters are the same. But > some people say matching between them is poor. > > >Ah. Will it be possible to produce a cross-platform OvPro file? > > Thats the idea. You should be able to take any OP document you've > got and open it on Windows - I can do that now. As I said ArtWorks > files won't be visible on Windows. I expect Draw files will be. > > >Would it be possible to make OvPro handle SVG? > > This is not a bad idea, because I can't see making OP for RISC OS > handle something like Windows Metafile. Doesn't TransFSI (or something can) translate WMF to Draw - it is something Easiwriter/Techwriter can handle with Word docs - but not the other way Draw to WMF. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Mar 1 03:00:57 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162337 for opro ; Fri, 01 Mar 102 03:00:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1014946376:10:23697:69; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 01:32:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127290; 1 Mar 2002 1:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g211Xtp25524 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:33:55 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g211Xri25521 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:33:53 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16gbrE-0007rg-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 01:29:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:53:57 GMT Message-Id: <162314@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Doesn't TransFSI (or something can) translate WMF to Draw - it is something >Easiwriter/Techwriter can handle with Word docs - but not the other way Draw >to WMF. Certainly there are WMF convertors, but do they do a pefect job? I think I see cross platform documents as needing to be perfect, not that you'll probabably have to spend an hour tweeking things and maybe your diagrams won't be just right. You want to be able to use a document on a PC at work and be able to use it on RISC OS at home immediately, and so on for days on end. WMF is a dogs dinner on Windows, never mind RISC OS. EMF - enhanced meta file has been around since Windows 95. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 2 02:17:39 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162384 for opro ; Sat, 02 Mar 102 02:17:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015022660:10:12092:168; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:44:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128956; 1 Mar 2002 22:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g21Mm8v28262 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:48:08 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21JIPi27855 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:18:29 GMT Received: from southfrm.demon.co.uk ([158.152.159.240] helo=southfrm) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16gsT9-000Ck9-0Z for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:13:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 17:48:59 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? Message-ID: <8f0a80104b.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> References: <162314@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <162314@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Cale, Wilts (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50test) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <162314@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > WMF is a dogs dinner on Windows, never mind RISC OS. Agreed, the drawings do not come through well. > EMF - enhanced meta file has been around since Windows 95. But I have yet to find anything free that will display them on W95, etc, and nothing to transfer them to a RISC OS format. Unless anyone knows any different? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 2 03:08:26 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162393 for opro ; Sat, 02 Mar 102 03:08:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015035745:10:07201:64; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:22:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007230; 2 Mar 2002 2:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g222P2G28739 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:25:02 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g222P0i28735 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:25:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16gz7x-0004Tw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:20:01 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:19:10 GMT Message-Id: <162389@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> WMF is a dogs dinner on Windows, never mind RISC OS. >Agreed, the drawings do not come through well. They are akin to spooling the VDU codes on RISC OS. A lot of messing is involved to produce WMF's that will scale. Then you've got Adobe's fix - of gluing a header on to specify the dimensions of the image - a 'placeable' WMF which will make some software crash when you try to load it. >> EMF - enhanced meta file has been around since Windows 95. >But I have yet to find anything free that will display them on W95, >etc, and nothing to transfer them to a RISC OS format. Unless anyone >knows any different? Certainly EMF took a long time to take off. I do have programs that will load them on my PC - MS Word 97, but I'm sure there are others. As to RISC OS Roger King asked the same question in Archive a couple of months back, I wonder what the answer was. Extension of a WMF loader to EMF should be simple. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 2 13:36:19 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162403 for opro ; Sat, 02 Mar 102 13:36:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015073353:20:18262:58; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 12:49:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018215; 2 Mar 2002 12:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g22Cmjw30107 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:48:45 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22Cmhi30104 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:48:43 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust222.tnt27.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.148.222] with SMTP id NAA04472 (8.8.8/1.3); Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:48:03 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000701c1c1e8$839db9d0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Cc: "Gerald Lewis Fitton" References: <162269@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b10a2f32dmlongley@eclipse.co.uk> Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:47:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 02 March, Martin Longley wrote: > In article <162269@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > [Snip] > > > This is not a bad idea, because I can't see making OP for RISC OS > > handle something like Windows Metafile. > > Textease does. Textease file produced in Windows containing WMF graphic. > Load into RO version and graphic can be saved as drawfile. Maybe David > should have a word with Geoff Titmus. Another approach? Fireworkz Pro on Risc OS can load DrawFiles. The Windows version of Fireworkz (still 16 bits at the moment) imports these fwk files with the DrawFiles as DrawFiles. Sometimes with the fonts as fonts. This feature isn't stable. Exporting these DrawFiles in Windows isn't possible with this version. Maybe a word with Gerald Fitton (Abacus Training) too? -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 2 13:36:31 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162406 for opro ; Sat, 02 Mar 102 13:36:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015070911:10:00011:64; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 12:08:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1129535; 2 Mar 2002 12:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g22C7dg29953 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:07:39 GMT Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22C7ai29950 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:07:36 GMT Received: from martin.lexicon (unknown [212.104.142.60]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4587E4FA0C for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:09:53 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:10:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? Message-ID: <4b10a2f32dmlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <162269@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <162269@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <162269@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > This is not a bad idea, because I can't see making OP for RISC OS > handle something like Windows Metafile. Textease does. Textease file produced in Windows containing WMF graphic. Load into RO version and graphic can be saved as drawfile. Maybe David should have a word with Geoff Titmus. Martin Longley -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 2 16:04:59 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA162420 for opro ; Sat, 02 Mar 102 16:04:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1015084303:20:29439:56; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:51:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029316; 2 Mar 2002 15:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g22FpAq30722 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:51:10 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22Fp8i30719 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:51:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16hBmr-000NxG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:51:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:46:12 GMT Message-Id: <162413@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Have I missed anything ? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Textease does. Textease file produced in Windows containing WMF graphic. >Load into RO version and graphic can be saved as drawfile. Thats interesting. One can see that portability requires this such a feature, but that it also makes life harder. At the moment I just don't like the results from metafiles on Windows. Maybe I'll warm to them, maybe there's no other choice. Put it another way are they the format of choice for serious DTP work. Roger King tells me that he got no response to his request in Archive for an EMF loader. ISTR Geoff Titmus making a light hearted comment on csa about OP only running on RISC OS being a selling point in our opinion. Oh how times change 8-( David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message