From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 16:24:50 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159987 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 16:24:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009641294:10:24167:59; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:54:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024129; 29 Dec 2001 15:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBTG5kk09889 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:05:46 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBTG5hW09885 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:05:44 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16KLog-000B8E-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:54:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:24:58 GMT Message-Id: <159983@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks to Jan De Poorter I now have Dutch, German and French translations of the Calendar program. So if you were thinking of... there's no need. I've added them to the web site version. For the time being you'll have to twiddle the Resource path in the !Run file to point at the language you want. As to the Win version stuff. Its 20 years since I started programming Acorn machines. By which I mean programming for Windows is not a happy situation for me (and not that I am incompetent at it). Further discussion of the intricacies of programming for Windows or RISC OS would be off topic ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 16:24:51 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159986 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 16:24:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009657785:20:14823:59; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:29:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2014690; 29 Dec 2001 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBTKdn010578 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:39:49 GMT Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBTKdkW10575 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:39:46 GMT Received: from RTV (nat32@ACBEBB6D.ipt.aol.com [172.190.187.109]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fBTKVOl15465 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:31:24 GMT Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:26:28 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip Message-ID: <4AF0A0A176%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <9ab0ddef4a.nico@neptune.demon.nl> <4af02d4666rogersps@onetel.ne In-Reply-To: <4af02d4666rogersps@onetel.net.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.50a POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4af02d4666rogersps@onetel.net.uk> Roger Penniceard wrote: > Stephen Parkin wrote: > > Maybe so, but if you go to the download page, you will also find a > > Windows version available... > Yes and typically the Windows version is five times the size of the > unzipped RISCOS version. Isn't it ironic that most ROS apps are so small, yet the native Bitmap format files are so big? -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Over 20 million people have died in wars since the end of WWII -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 16:25:00 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159991 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 16:24:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009657785:20:14820:63; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:29:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014592; 29 Dec 2001 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBTKdkx10574 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:39:46 GMT Received: from aquarius.realingenuity.net (aquarius.realingenuity.net [213.165.154.155]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBTKdiW10571 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:39:44 GMT Received: from RTV (nat32@ACBEBB6D.ipt.aol.com [172.190.187.109]) by aquarius.realingenuity.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fBTKVRl15468 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:31:27 GMT Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:29:10 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip Message-ID: <4AF0A0E0E2%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <159983@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <159983@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.50a POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <159983@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: [snip] > Further discussion of the intricacies of programming for Windows or RISC OS > would be off topic ;-) Aw... 'Praps I need to sub' to c.s.a.prog' again. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk Education begins where what is called education is over. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 16:25:22 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159999 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 16:25:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009670903:20:25365:64; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:08:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026039; 30 Dec 2001 0:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBU0IcK11161 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:18:38 GMT Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBU0IaW11158 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:18:36 GMT Received: from modem-1358.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.229.78] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16KTVa-00009X-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:07:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:42:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: I've lost Ctrl-V Message-ID: <4af0b28c3drayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro For some reason Ctl-V has stopped working in Ovation Pro 2.66 and I can't paste from the clipboard. Ctrl-C to copy works and can be seen on the clipboard, but Ctl-V and the paste icon don't work. Shift dragging text does work. Ctl-V works in Zap and other apps. I can't think of any changes I've made to the system recently and I don't use StrongEd (which does apparently grap some key presses). Any ideas about what could be causing it? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 16:26:27 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160023 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 16:26:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009744197:10:21243:65; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:29:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021219; 30 Dec 2001 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBUKeCN13892 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:40:12 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBUKeAW13889 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:40:10 GMT Received: from [62.188.156.39] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Kme0-0007MA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:33:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:59:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: "Frame height too big" error Message-ID: <4af121f863steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Curious:- If I create a page size of 1180 x 1680 millimetres and drag out a frame to cover most of the height all is well. If I create the frame and alter it's size to more than 913.69 mm OvP gives a "frame height too big" error. If I take the first example drag created as 20 x 1600mm then try to change the fill colour the same error appears. Why is it possible to create a frame of a size that cannot be altered by the F7 "modify text frame" dialog? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 16:26:48 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160030 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 16:26:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009736905:20:11966:1215; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:28:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012765; 30 Dec 2001 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBUDt3F12892 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:55:03 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBUDt0W12888 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:55:00 GMT Received: (qmail 13437 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 13:43:33 -0000 Received: from usercp39.uk.uudial.com (HELO ukgateway) (62.188.156.68) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 13:43:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:27:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: I've lost Ctrl-V Message-ID: <4af0fe1531dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4af0b28c3drayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <4af0b28c3drayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4af0b28c3drayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > For some reason Ctl-V has stopped working in Ovation Pro 2.66 and I can't > paste from the clipboard. > Ctrl-C to copy works and can be seen on the clipboard, but Ctl-V and the > paste icon don't work. > Shift dragging text does work. > Ctl-V works in Zap and other apps. I can't think of any changes I've made > to the system recently and I don't use StrongEd (which does apparently > grap some key presses). > Any ideas about what could be causing it? > Cheers, > Ray D A thought Ray. Are you using any of the third party Clipboard apps that are around. I remember when I was Alpha testing ClipMan (MadCow software), there were some occasions when it threw a wobbly, and the Global clipboard itself when used by particular apps, became very unreliable... would do a Ctrl-C but not a Ctrl-V. Cheers Dave S Best wished for the new year. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 16:27:37 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160042 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 16:27:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009737746:20:11845:1959; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:42:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2025193; 30 Dec 2001 15:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBUFMxq13178 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:22:59 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBUFMvW13175 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:22:57 GMT Received: (qmail 17015 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 15:11:35 -0000 Received: from usercc01.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.151.13) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 15:11:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:45:52 GMT From: Elma Alexander To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip Message-ID: References: <9ab0ddef4a.nico@neptune.demon.nl> <4af02d4666rogersps@onetel.ne <4AF0A0A176%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF0A0A176%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4AF0A0A176%mik.towse@xemik.com> Mik Towse wrote: > In article <4af02d4666rogersps@onetel.net.uk> Roger Penniceard wrote: > > Stephen Parkin wrote: > > > Maybe so, but if you go to the download page, you will also find a > > > Windows version available... > > Yes and typically the Windows version is five times the size of the > > unzipped RISCOS version. > Isn't it ironic that most ROS apps are so small, yet the native Bitmap > format files are so big? > > Over 20 million people have died in wars since the end of WWII If this was ZFC or Archive-42, I'd ask you what proof you have! Elly. -- Elma Alexander Email: elma.alexander@ukgateway.net - Fax: 0870 138 4996 Praising God & Country Music Elma's Window on the World: http://znap.to/Elly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 16:27:47 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160047 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 16:27:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009802563:10:13098:63; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:42:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011979; 31 Dec 2001 12:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBVCrSr16170 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:53:28 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBVCrQW16167 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:53:26 GMT Received: from modem-2502.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.105.198] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16L1lH-0008Sx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:41:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Maillist OvPro Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:35:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: I've lost Ctrl-V Message-ID: <4af17d3831rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4af1694b3adfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4af0b28c3drayd@argonet.co.uk> <4af0fe1531dfs@ukgateway.net> <4af12d9f84rayd@argonet.co.uk> <4af1694b3adfs@ukgatewa User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4af1694b3adfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > > > I remember when I was Alpha testing ClipMan (MadCow software), > > > there were some occasions when it threw a wobbly, and the Global > > > clipboard itself when used by particular apps, became very > > > unreliable... would do a Ctrl-C but not a Ctrl-V. > > Ah... I did recently install the RISCOS Ltd clipboard extended apps > > from the developers site. > > My version of the Clipboard module is 0.05 (23 Mar 2000) - is there a > > later version than this which may have solved the above problem? > > Has anyone else got the enhanced Draw, Edit etc with the clipboard > > enabled? Does Ctl-V work OK in OP with it? > > I must admit I didn't think to suspect apps and modules produced by > > RISCOS Ltd, but it does seem the likely cause. > > Perhaps if there is a later version of Clipboard someone could let me > > try it? > > Cheers, Ray D > Ray, I have the Select versions of Draw, Edit and Paint installed with > clipboard enabled, I also have Zap configured to use Ctrl-C and V, and > obviously OvPro. > The ClipboardHolder module with Select beta 4.24 is version 0.08. > I've done a series of Cut/Copy and Pastes between all the above Five > apps, Ctrl-X or C and Ctrl-V wherever possible, otherwise the > comparable menu options. I have been unable to prevent Ovation Pro, or > any of the others for that matter from doing the required Cut or Copy > Or paste. > I also added a few other apps for fun... Publisher and Pluto. Sorry no > obvious solution. > Cheers Dave S It is definitely the ROL Clipboard module causing the problem - removing it cures it, but I lose the clipboard on Draw etc. It is only Ovation Pro that is affected. The Select oversion of Clipboard won't work as it installs in memory areas used by other apps, but there must be a fixed version between 0.05 and 0.08. Otherwise I wouldn't be the only one to notice the problem. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 16:28:01 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160051 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 16:27:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009822087:10:23207:67; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:08:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023455; 31 Dec 2001 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBVIHuR16948 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:17:56 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBVIHsW16945 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:17:54 GMT Received: from modem-120.dysprosium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.52.248] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16L6pE-0002ac-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:06:17 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:36:57 +0000 (GMT) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <159983@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 29 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > Thanks to Jan De Poorter I now have Dutch, German and French translations of > the Calendar program. So if you were thinking of... there's no need. I've > added them to the web site version. For the time being you'll have to twiddle the > Resource path in the !Run file to point at the language you want. > Yesterday & today I tried to down load. the link to 1.03 down loded 1.02 -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 16:28:15 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160056 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 16:28:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009753922:20:18218:61; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:12:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017808; 30 Dec 2001 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBUNMX914371 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:22:33 GMT Received: from imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.179]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBUNMVW14368 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:22:31 GMT Received: from modem-1135.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.228.111] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Kp6e-0003kG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:11:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:06:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: I've lost Ctrl-V Message-ID: <4af12d9f84rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4af0fe1531dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4af0b28c3drayd@argonet.co.uk> <4af0fe1531dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4af0fe1531dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > > Ctl-V works in Zap and other apps. I can't think of any changes I've > > made to the system recently and I don't use StrongEd (which does > > apparently grap some key presses). > > Any ideas about what could be causing it? > > Cheers, > > Ray D > A thought Ray. > Are you using any of the third party Clipboard apps that are around. > I remember when I was Alpha testing ClipMan (MadCow software), there > were some occasions when it threw a wobbly, and the Global clipboard > itself when used by particular apps, became very unreliable... would do > a Ctrl-C but not a Ctrl-V. Ah... I did recently install the RISCOS Ltd clipboard extended apps from the developers site. My version of the Clipboard module is 0.05 (23 Mar 2000) - is there a later version than this which may have solved the above problem? Has anyone else got the enhanced Draw, Edit etc with the clipboard enabled? Does Ctl-V work OK in OP with it? I must admit I didn't think to suspect apps and modules produced by RISCOS Ltd, but it does seem the likely cause. Perhaps if there is a later version of Clipboard someone could let me try it? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 16:28:55 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160070 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 16:28:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009790183:20:04464:59; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:16:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109313; 31 Dec 2001 9:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBV9QTZ15672 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:26:29 GMT Received: from sand3.global.net.uk (sand3.global.net.uk [195.147.246.249]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBV9QQW15669 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:26:26 GMT Received: from [195.147.237.22] (helo=freenetname) by sand3.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16KyWm-0003dc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:14:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Maillist OvPro Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:58:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: I've lost Ctrl-V Message-ID: <4af1694b3adfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4af0b28c3drayd@argonet.co.uk> <4af0fe1531dfs@ukgateway.net> <4af12d9f84rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4af12d9f84rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4af12d9f84rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <4af0fe1531dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > > Ctl-V works in Zap and other apps. I can't think of any changes I've > > > made to the system recently and I don't use StrongEd (which does > > > apparently grap some key presses). > > > Any ideas about what could be causing it? > > > Cheers, > > > Ray D > > A thought Ray. > > Are you using any of the third party Clipboard apps that are around. > > I remember when I was Alpha testing ClipMan (MadCow software), there > > were some occasions when it threw a wobbly, and the Global clipboard > > itself when used by particular apps, became very unreliable... would do > > a Ctrl-C but not a Ctrl-V. > Ah... I did recently install the RISCOS Ltd clipboard extended apps from > the developers site. > My version of the Clipboard module is 0.05 (23 Mar 2000) - is there a > later version than this which may have solved the above problem? > Has anyone else got the enhanced Draw, Edit etc with the clipboard > enabled? Does Ctl-V work OK in OP with it? > I must admit I didn't think to suspect apps and modules produced by > RISCOS Ltd, but it does seem the likely cause. > Perhaps if there is a later version of Clipboard someone could let me try > it? > Cheers, > Ray D Ray, I have the Select versions of Draw, Edit and Paint installed with clipboard enabled, I also have Zap configured to use Ctrl-C and V, and obviously OvPro. The ClipboardHolder module with Select beta 4.24 is version 0.08. I've done a series of Cut/Copy and Pastes between all the above Five apps, Ctrl-X or C and Ctrl-V wherever possible, otherwise the comparable menu options. I have been unable to prevent Ovation Pro, or any of the others for that matter from doing the required Cut or Copy Or paste. I also added a few other apps for fun... Publisher and Pluto. Sorry no obvious solution. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 2 21:12:22 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160137 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jan 102 21:12:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010000335:10:00658:92; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:38:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003529; 2 Jan 2002 19:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g02JhvW23327 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:43:57 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.112.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01JeJW20084 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:40:27 GMT Received: from [80.225.41.100] (helo=CIRIOUS) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16LUa9-00095c-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 19:28:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 10:35:55 GMT From: Arthur Mc Dowell Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: I`ve lost Ctrl-V X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (28 Nov 2001) test-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello Ray In message <4af12d9f84rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <4af0fe1531dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > > Ctl-V works in Zap and other apps. I can't think of any changes I've > > > made to the system recently and I don't use StrongEd (which does > > > apparently grap some key presses). > > > > Any ideas about what could be causing it? > > > > Cheers, > > > Ray D > > > A thought Ray. > > Are you using any of the third party Clipboard apps that are around. > > > I remember when I was Alpha testing ClipMan (MadCow software), there > > were some occasions when it threw a wobbly, and the Global clipboard > > itself when used by particular apps, became very unreliable... would do > > a Ctrl-C but not a Ctrl-V. > > Ah... I did recently install the RISCOS Ltd clipboard extended apps from > the developers site. > > My version of the Clipboard module is 0.05 (23 Mar 2000) - is there a > later version than this which may have solved the above problem? > > Has anyone else got the enhanced Draw, Edit etc with the clipboard > enabled? Does Ctl-V work OK in OP with it? Well I took it out after some problems on Prophet! losing keyboard shortcuts Ctrl-D. > > I must admit I didn't think to suspect apps and modules produced by > RISCOS Ltd, but it does seem the likely cause. Well I don`t think they actually produce it! I think they only put it up there when they finf people find it useful. > > Perhaps if there is a later version of Clipboard someone could let me try > it? Well hopefully they might, I have been looking for a long time, and havn`t seen it mentioned before. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Arthur -- Arthur Mc Dowell: An owner of Acorn Risc Pc A700 Running RO4.03 Kinetic And member of Riscos Foundation, Select Also running Zap -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 3 02:02:26 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160159 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jan 102 02:02:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010014001:10:22965:171; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:26:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1129132; 2 Jan 2002 23:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g02NbMr23912 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:37:22 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02NbKW23909 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:37:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Lul1-000ECE-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:25:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:24:09 GMT Message-Id: <160146@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: "Frame height too big" error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Why is it possible to create a frame of a size that cannot be altered by >the F7 "modify text frame" dialog? An error I suppose. I think that originally I set limits - good programming, then somone said, why have these limits if it can handle bigger areas and so I relaxed them. By the sound of it, perhaps not in all placed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 3 02:02:34 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160160 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jan 102 02:02:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010018146:20:15570:1731; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:35:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2023684; 2 Jan 2002 15:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g02FvUW22637 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:57:30 GMT Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.181]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02FvRW22634 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:57:27 GMT Received: from modem-148.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.148] helo=localhost) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Lna2-0003rd-00; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:45:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:46:38 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Trying to define a key macro Message-ID: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, I am trying to define a key macro in Ovation pro to insert a Euro symbol into the text I am typing. I have been reading chapter 17 of the Manual supplied on the OvationPro CD. First I opened the list of key macros by using Menu> Misc> Macros and clicking on Key. Then I clicked New, and CTRL-SHIFT-3, which was my intended keypress, then clicked Record and opened a new document window. I selected Baskerville regular as the font, then ALT-136, so that a Euro symbol appeared in the new document. Then I selected Trinity Medium and switched Record off. When I went back to the Macro list I found that |!|H had been recorded in the definition space. I then saved it. This does not work. In any case I need surely to start with a command which records the handle of whatever the current typeface is (in my default document), so that the final command can be to restore the default typeface. I have clearly not succeeded in understanding the Record function. Can you put me right? Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 3 14:02:52 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160199 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jan 102 14:02:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010029049:20:15592:10355; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:37:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102489; 3 Jan 2002 2:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g032KOS24345 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:20:24 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g032KLW24342 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:20:22 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16LxIk-000Lor-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:08:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 02:06:28 GMT Message-Id: <160169@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Trying to define a key macro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have clearly not succeeded in understanding the Record function. Can you >put me right? It does not record changes of font (or anything akin to that), merely key presses. It should be possible to cook up a suitable macro to do the job. My immediate thought is to use the single shift font key press. Which is F10 followed by another key press for the character you want from the shift font. In fact the macro record feature would probably record that for you. All you'd then need is to have a single shift font set which contains the euro symbol. It is possible to make macros change to arbitrary fonts - see the examples provided in the default set. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 3 19:42:06 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160212 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jan 102 19:42:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010085318:20:05319:1435; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 19:15:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2021084; 3 Jan 2002 9:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g039lWI25316 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:47:32 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039lTW25313 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:47:29 GMT Received: from [62.188.144.49] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16M4Lf-0004xP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 09:39:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 08:48:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: "Frame height too big" error Message-ID: <4af2f3f2a8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <160146@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <160146@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <160146@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Why is it possible to create a frame of a size that cannot be altered by > >the F7 "modify text frame" dialog? > An error I suppose. > I think that originally I set limits - good programming, then somone > said, why have these limits if it can handle bigger areas and so > I relaxed them. By the sound of it, perhaps not in all placed. Note: I was working on a 1180mm x 1680 page, which is a trifle larger than most people would try to use. A patched version of OvP might be nice though. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 3 21:38:12 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160215 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jan 102 21:38:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010088183:10:00166:71; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:03:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029818; 3 Jan 2002 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g03KBWU26778 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:11:32 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03KBTW26775 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:11:30 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust140.tnt15.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.124.140] with SMTP for id UAA00964 (8.8.8/1.3); Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:58:52 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00c001c19491$138e34a0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: Trying to define a key macro Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:58:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 02 Jan, Robin Phillips wrote: > First I opened the list of key macros by using Menu> Misc> Macros and > clicking on Key. Then I clicked New, and CTRL-SHIFT-3, which was my intended > keypress, then clicked Record and opened a new document window. I selected > Baskerville regular as the font, then ALT-136, so that a Euro symbol appeared > in the new document. Then I selected Trinity Medium and switched Record off. This certainly can NOT work. The Euro symbol in the EFF fonts has ASCII 136 or 136, but in the ROM fonts (Trinity, Homerton and Corpus) it can be found at ASCII 128 (font specific) and at ASCII 164 as a symbol and in Sidney at 240, also as a symbol. If you have converted Type1's (with Euro), it depends on the font, where you can find the Euro and what version (font specific or a symbol), most times also at 0128 or 0164. So, in general, if you want to change font and a Euro symbol, the Euro symbol has to have the same ASCII code in both the fonts. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 4 18:11:05 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160258 for opro ; Fri, 04 Jan 102 18:10:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010167587:20:05352:58; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:06:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107726; 4 Jan 2002 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g04IG9j29300 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:16:09 GMT Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04IG6W29297 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:16:06 GMT Received: from modem-54.florida.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.60.54] helo=localhost) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16MYgq-00058c-00; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:03:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:48:13 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Trying to define a key macro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <160169@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David, In message <160169@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >I have clearly not succeeded in understanding the Record function. Can you > >put me right? > > It does not record changes of font (or anything akin to that), merely > key presses. That's fair enough. I just thought it was a reasonable thing to try. The manual is NOT adequate in this area, I feel, and I suggest you add that Record records keypresses only. > My immediate thought is to use the single shift font key press. Thank you. I have never actually used this facility! Having re-set the default font to Baskerville 1 (an EFF font I purchased in the last 2 years) I can now easily produce the Euro symbol by typing ALT-136, as that is the position of the Euro symbol in recent EFF fonts. I will try putting it into a macro later on, if I find I need it. > ... It is possible to make macros change to arbitrary fonts - see the > examples provided in the default set. Where do I find the default set of macros? I don't think the Macros directory in Extras contains anything affecting fonts. Anyway, Many thanks for your help. Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 4 22:35:43 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160262 for opro ; Fri, 04 Jan 102 22:35:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010167999:10:04458:63; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:13:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116404; 4 Jan 2002 18:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g04IPT929340 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:25:29 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04IPRW29337 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:25:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16MYpo-000G24-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:12:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:13:25 GMT Message-Id: <160260@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Trying to define a key macro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Where do I find the default set of macros? Open the Macros window, (Main menu->Misc) There is one called 'Corpus' which sets that font, and a load that twiddle various text effects. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 5 14:13:49 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160275 for opro ; Sat, 05 Jan 102 14:13:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010236579:10:23303:96; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:16:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117642; 5 Jan 2002 12:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g05D47u31570 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:04:07 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05D45W31567 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:04:05 GMT Received: from [62.188.151.78] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MqMV-0001sz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:55:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:11:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Use of !Words Message-ID: <4af3c13dffsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Over on the Pluto mailing list people have spoken of use of a single dictionary set up across different applications and pointed at !Words as an example. I (for my sins) suggested that David might be amenable to the use of !Words by other application developers. Perhaps David could comment? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 5 16:15:13 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160283 for opro ; Sat, 05 Jan 102 16:15:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010243820:10:29154:65; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:17:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1002262; 5 Jan 2002 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g05EfEw31964 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:41:14 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05EfCW31961 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:41:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16MroF-000FEh-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:28:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:15:46 GMT Message-Id: <160276@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Use of !Words X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I (for my sins) suggested that David might be amenable to the use of !Words >by other application developers. It is of course used by Ovation Pro, Ovation, CrossStar, Spell and WordSquare. I produced a module version of Spell for Andrew Rawnsley (RComp), and this is what WebSpell and (I think) Messenger use. The module is akin to the Acorn colour picker, ideal for programs which want to add spell checking. So yes other programs can use !Words, just use the Spell module. The snag is that I wrote that for RComp, so it only comes with their programs. RComp have made the interface details public. However a free for all would depend on RComp making the module freely available. (and Pluto would a beneficiary hmm). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 5 16:15:17 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160284 for opro ; Sat, 05 Jan 102 16:15:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010241223:20:09195:1203; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:33:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2016050; 5 Jan 2002 8:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0596Zi31036 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:06:35 GMT Received: from mail1.ims-firmen.de (mail1.ims-firmen.de [213.174.32.56]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0596WW31033 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:06:32 GMT Received: (qmail 29153 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 08:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uff411.ucs.de) (212.62.80.23) by mail1.ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 08:53:49 -0000 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:52:58 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 05 Jan 2002 09:52:55 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:52:55 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Trying to define a key macro Message-ID: <5bfcfbf34a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g0596WW31034 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g0596Zj31036 In message you wrote: [snip] > Where do I find the default set of macros? I don't think the Macros > directory in Extras contains anything affecting fonts. >=20 We have put the following OvPScrpt in !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Euro: =20 //->Macros // Produced by OvationPro at 12:43 29. Dezember 2001 // // void main(void) { defmacro(1,"C_E","=A4",""); } it gives us the *printing* Euro symbol from the RISC OS 4 fonts by typing Ctrl E. The one You get by typing Alt E comes out as a 'currency' symbol (in PostScript). Doesn't get any easier, does it? Regards --=20 Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 5 16:15:32 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160289 for opro ; Sat, 05 Jan 102 16:15:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010242356:20:09261:2523; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:52:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai2015687; 5 Jan 2002 13:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g05DOw931721 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:24:58 GMT Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05DOuW31718 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:24:56 GMT Received: from host217-35-12-96.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.96] helo=acornrpc) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16MqcS-0000OA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:12:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:07:46 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Use of !Words Message-ID: <655113f44a.Brian@Brian_Howlett.btinternet.com> References: <4af3c13dffsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4af3c13dffsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 4 Jan, Steven Pampling exclaimed: > Over on the Pluto mailing list people have spoken of use of a single > dictionary set up across different applications and pointed at !Words > as an example. > > I (for my sins) suggested that David might be amenable to the use of > !Words by other application developers. > > Perhaps David could comment? > It is already possible to use !Words in conjunction with MessengerPRO. -- Brian Howlett -------------------------------------------------------------- Windows has detected that the mouse has been moved. You must restart Windows for the new setting to take effect... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 6 14:40:36 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160307 for opro ; Sun, 06 Jan 102 14:40:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010327445:20:27982:93; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 14:30:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027973; 6 Jan 2002 14:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g06EfQ802135 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:41:26 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06EfNW02132 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:41:23 GMT Received: from [62.188.151.237] (helo=bw26.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NELr-00072I-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 14:32:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:02:06 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Use of !Words Message-ID: References: <160276@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <160276@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <160276@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > So yes other programs can use !Words, just use the Spell module. The snag is > that I wrote that for RComp, so it only comes with their programs. I always hate showing my techie ignorance in these groups (no matter how often I do it), but why then did I have to instal the !Spell Module from Impression into StrongEd before I could spellcheck in Mess Pro? TIA. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 6 16:21:23 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160317 for opro ; Sun, 06 Jan 102 16:21:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010332226:20:03754:84; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:50:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003643; 6 Jan 2002 15:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g06G2jv02366 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:02:45 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06G2hW02363 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:02:43 GMT Received: from Ralph ([62.255.23.245]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20020106154946.DXYM4962.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@Ralph> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:49:46 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:49:08 GMT From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Use of !Words Message-ID: <88eda5f44a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> References: <160276@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Matchstick User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ian Wolfe wrote: >In message <160276@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >> So yes other programs can use !Words, just use the Spell module. The snag is >> that I wrote that for RComp, so it only comes with their programs. > >I always hate showing my techie ignorance in these groups (no matter how >often I do it), but why then did I have to instal the !Spell Module from >Impression into StrongEd before I could spellcheck in Mess Pro? TIA. > You don't need the spellmod module for StrongEd spell checking in MessPro, only for standalone checking in StrongED. I don't have it installed here, and spell checking still works in MessPro. In fact, it would be nice if StrongED could share !Words, perhaps I should suggest this on the StrongED list. Hwyl Ian -- Death is just the full-stop at the end of a life sentence. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jan 6 21:48:47 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160326 for opro ; Sun, 06 Jan 102 21:48:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010348114:10:24367:232; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:15:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103307; 6 Jan 2002 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g06K6o502879 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:06:50 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06K6mW02875 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:06:48 GMT Received: from [62.188.26.37] (helo=bw26.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NJQl-0007ae-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:58:10 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 18:52:02 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Use of !Words Message-ID: <65acb6f44a.jwolfe@argonet.co.uk> References: <160276@pilling.demon.co.uk> <88eda5f44a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <88eda5f44a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <88eda5f44a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> Ian Lowry wrote: > You don't need the spellmod module for StrongEd spell checking in > MessPro, only for standalone checking in StrongED. I don't have it > installed here, and spell checking still works in MessPro. That's what I'd have expected, but I could not spellcheck until I had inserted the Impression Module. So I must be missing something:-( > In fact, it would be nice if StrongED could share !Words, perhaps I > should suggest this on the StrongED list. Excellent idea. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 7 14:00:15 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160339 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jan 102 14:00:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010402863:10:29499:64; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:27:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029449; 7 Jan 2002 11:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g07BdUu06519 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:39:30 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07BdRW06516 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:39:27 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16NXv4-0004BA-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:26:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:52:38 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Use of !Words Message-ID: References: <160276@pilling.demon.co.uk> <88eda5f44a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> <65acb6f44 In-Reply-To: <65acb6f44a.jwolfe@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <65acb6f44a.jwolfe@argonet.co.uk> Ian Wolfe wrote: > In message <88eda5f44a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> > Ian Lowry wrote: > > > You don't need the spellmod module for StrongEd spell checking in > > MessPro, only for standalone checking in StrongED. I don't have it > > installed here, and spell checking still works in MessPro. > > That's what I'd have expected, but I could not spellcheck until I had > inserted the Impression Module. So I must be missing something:-( [snip] Are you spell checking from StrongEd's text window or MPro's Send mail/news dialogue box? -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 7 19:30:59 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160356 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jan 102 19:30:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010430857:10:17487:56; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:14:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111499; 7 Jan 2002 19:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g07JPWL07570 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:25:32 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JPTW07567 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:25:30 GMT Received: from [62.188.152.27] (helo=bw26.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NfG7-0001Hs-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:16:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:55:25 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Use of !Words Message-ID: References: <160276@pilling.demon.co.uk> <88eda5f44a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> <65acb6f44 In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <65acb6f44a.jwolfe@argonet.co.uk> > Ian Wolfe wrote: > > > In message <88eda5f44a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> > > Ian Lowry wrote: > > > > > You don't need the spellmod module for StrongEd spell checking in > > > MessPro, only for standalone checking in StrongED. I don't have it > > > installed here, and spell checking still works in MessPro. > > > > That's what I'd have expected, but I could not spellcheck until I had > > inserted the Impression Module. So I must be missing something:-( > [snip] > > Are you spell checking from StrongEd's text window or MPro's Send > mail/news dialogue box? Both -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 8 01:51:56 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160365 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jan 102 01:51:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010439275:10:04645:68; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:34:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004627; 7 Jan 2002 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g07Ll3g07919 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:47:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Ll1W07915 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:47:01 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16NhOv-0000GS-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:33:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Ovation Pro Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:12:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4af5316d42Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4aefe81ee7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4aef7230b8Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4aefe81ee7Jeremy@omba.dem User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4aefe81ee7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article , > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > A simple letter all in Homerton with a footnote in Trinity shows the > > setscreen command: > > 150 45 {Dot} setscreen > > and prints without any background. > > !ColPal is disabled and !ColSupp is active. > > I'll post as much of the postscript as might shed light on what is > > happening here, just tell me how much! > I don't know how much... Could you email me the PS file? Anthony did mail me a test file, which does indeed have the "setscreen" command in it, before any of the actual text, in a section that looks like: %%BeginSetup %%EndSetup %%Page: 1 %%PageBoundingBox: 0 0 596 842 PDdict begin S 12757 MP 11340 MP 582592 MP 830655 MP PS S 0 MP 0 MP T 65536 0 0 65536 UM 1488 2104 MC 255 G CP fill 150 45 {Dot} setscreen % Begin OvationPro Fill applet functions .... long section of Fill applet stuff follows that Needless to say, I've no idea what the "PDict begin" bit actually means, but I've posted it just in case it *doesn't* mean that the "150 45 {Dot} setscreen" command is being processed - it's not - say - a macro definition for possible use later on, is it? Anyway I put the whole file he'd sent me on my hard disk and then issued: *copy printer: which I assume moves the file straight to the parallel port without going through any part of the RO printer drivers. It printed perfectly, ie no nastly grey lines all over the page, on my Kyocera FS1750. Assuming that the setscreen command in this file actually got executed, does this now mean that "setscreen" isn't the cause of the feint grey lines? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 8 14:47:00 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160380 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jan 102 14:46:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010454897:10:21753:59; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:54:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021283; 8 Jan 2002 1:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g08268v08474 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:06:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08266W08471 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:06:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16NlRd-0003qw-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:52:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:53:56 GMT Message-Id: <160375@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Assuming that the setscreen command in this file actually got executed, >does this now mean that "setscreen" isn't the cause of the feint grey >lines? I might be losing the thread, but presumeably the first step was to print exactly the same document, in the same way, twice. Once with screening on and once with it off. If you do that and capture the PS files output you should be able to see that the screening commands are the only difference. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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If you find the virus please = notify &=20 send this e-mail to everyone in your address book as that is how it is=20 automatically transferred.

Now you will be OK.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C19861.3CA3C520-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 8 17:19:08 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160393 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jan 102 17:19:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010509003:10:10018:1258; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:56:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122360; 8 Jan 2002 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g08GhTH10277 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:43:29 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08GhRW10274 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:43:27 GMT Received: from [195.92.168.141] (helo=tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Nz7R-0004rB-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:28:57 +0000 Received: from modem-2959.lynx.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.203.143] helo=gordon) by tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Nz7N-0000JL-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:28:54 +0000 Message-ID: <00a801c19861$f78ac140$06bd87d9@gordon> From: "Gordon Vicary" To: Subject: VIRUS PLEASE READ NOW Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:31:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009F_01C19861.E6740F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C19861.E6740F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Sorry but this is important. Because you are our my address book you may = have received this nasty virus automatically. The virus is not detected = by Norton or McAfee and lies dormant for 14 DAYS before it closes down = your computer. I received the virus via a different e-mail address as = did the person from whom I received the little perisher. I know it now = transfers through any alternative addresses you may use so you need to contact all your = addressees with this alert and the instructions as to how to rid = yourself. Effective method of finding and deleting the virus is as below. PLEASE = ACT IMMEDIATELY. 1. Go to START then FIND (or search). 2. In Search for files or folders type in sulfnbk.exe. THIS IS THE = VIRUS. 3. In the Look in search make sure you are looking for drive c. 4. His Search or Find button. 5. If this file shows up - it's an ugly black icon that will have the = name sulfnbk.exe - DO NOT OPEN IT. 6. With right mouse button click on the file go down to delete and left = mouse click. 7. It will ask you if you want to send it to the recycle bin - say yes. 8. Go to your desk and double click on the recycle bin then right click = on sulfnbk.exe and delete again or empty bin. If you find the virus please notify & send this e-mail to everyone in = your address book as that is how it is automatically transferred. Now you will be OK.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C19861.E6740F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear=20 all,

Sorry but this is important. Because you are our my address = book you=20 may have received this nasty virus automatically. The virus is not = detected by=20 Norton or McAfee and lies dormant for 14 DAYS before it closes down your = computer. I received the virus via a different e-mail address  as = did the=20 person from whom I received the little perisher.  I know it now = transfers=20 through any
alternative addresses you may use so you need to contact = all your=20 addressees with this alert and the instructions as to how to rid=20 yourself.

Effective method of finding and deleting the virus is = as below.=20 PLEASE ACT IMMEDIATELY.

1. Go to START then FIND (or = search).

2.=20 In Search for files or folders type in sulfnbk.exe. THIS IS THE = VIRUS.

3.=20 In the Look in search make sure you are looking for drive c.

4. = His=20 Search or Find button.

5. If this file shows up - it's an ugly = black icon=20 that will have the name sulfnbk.exe - DO NOT OPEN IT.

6. With = right mouse=20 button click on the file go down to delete and left mouse = click.

7. It=20 will ask you if you want to send it to the recycle bin - say = yes.

8. Go=20 to your desk and double click on the recycle bin then right click on = sulfnbk.exe=20 and delete again or empty bin.

If you find the virus please = notify &=20 send this e-mail to everyone in your address book as that is how it is=20 automatically transferred.

Now you will be OK.=20
------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C19861.E6740F60-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 8 17:19:19 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160396 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jan 102 17:19:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010509354:20:20491:97; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:02:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019876; 8 Jan 2002 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g08GxdM10455 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:59:39 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08GxbW10452 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:59:37 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g08GkKX20066; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:46:20 GMT Subject: Re: VIRUS PLEASE READ NOW To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: gordon@soundmasters.co.uk From: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:46:45 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Snipped a load of rubbish sent twice by Gordon Vicary about SULFNBK virus............. Don't panic. This is a hoax. Before posting this sort of thing please check on the web to see if it is a real virus. A quick search on google would have revealed this as a hoax or a good place to check it the McAfee web site at :- http://vil.mcafee.com/default.asp? Regards Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 8 21:15:19 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160401 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jan 102 21:15:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010511067:20:20012:205; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:31:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015189; 8 Jan 2002 17:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g08HGRX10582 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:16:27 GMT Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08HGPW10579 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:16:25 GMT Received: from host217-35-7-240.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.7.240] helo=acornrpc) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16NzeS-0005ZD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:03:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:01:57 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: VIRUS PLEASE READ NOW Message-ID: <4a44b4f54a.Brian@Brian_Howlett.btinternet.com> References: <007201c19861$535c6ba0$06bd87d9@gordon> In-Reply-To: <007201c19861$535c6ba0$06bd87d9@gordon> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 8 Jan, Gordon Vicary exclaimed: > Dear all, > > Sorry but this is important. Because you are our my address book you > may have received this nasty virus automatically. The virus is not > detected by Norton or McAfee and lies dormant for 14 DAYS before it > closes down your computer. I received the virus via a different e-mail > address as did the person from whom I received the little perisher. I > know it now transfers through any alternative addresses you may use so > you need to contact all your addressees with this alert and the > instructions as to how to rid yourself. [snip] > This is a hoax. -- Brian Howlett -------------------------------------------------------------- Windows has detected that the mouse has been moved. You must restart Windows for the new setting to take effect... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 8 21:15:23 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160403 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jan 102 21:15:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010511501:20:08100:70; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:38:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122715; 8 Jan 2002 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g08Hcod10697 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:38:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08HcmW10694 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:38:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16O001-000MRf-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:25:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:21:52 GMT Message-Id: <160398@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: VIRUS PLEASE READ NOW X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Snipped a load of rubbish sent twice by Gordon Vicary about SULFNBK >virus............. >Don't panic. This is a hoax. Thanks for pointing that out. Point is that to date *no* virus has been trasmitted via the OPro mail list. And such virus programs only affect Windows PC's and usually only those running MS Outlook Express. In fact the original message is written in a certain style... Looking at the list bounces, quite a lot of systems rejected the posting due to the way the header was badly formatted. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 8 21:15:27 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160404 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jan 102 21:15:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010514421:10:14604:327; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:27:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1005441; 8 Jan 2002 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g08IKCc11042 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:20:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08IKAW11039 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:20:10 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16O0e7-0005Pj-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:06:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 23:35:06 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Use of !Words Message-ID: <836c54f54a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <160276@pilling.demon.co.uk> <88eda5f44a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> <65acb6f44 In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ian Wolfe wrote: > In message > Fred Bambrough wrote: > > > In message <65acb6f44a.jwolfe@argonet.co.uk> > > Ian Wolfe wrote: > > > > > In message <88eda5f44a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> > > > Ian Lowry wrote: > > > > > > > You don't need the spellmod module for StrongEd spell checking in > > > > MessPro, only for standalone checking in StrongED. I don't have it > > > > installed here, and spell checking still works in MessPro. > > > > > > That's what I'd have expected, but I could not spellcheck until I had > > > inserted the Impression Module. So I must be missing something:-( > > [snip] > > > > Are you spell checking from StrongEd's text window or MPro's Send > > mail/news dialogue box? > > Both The reason I asked is that StrongEd wouldn't be using !Words but the Impression module. My experience of spell checking using Zap as an editor is that from Zap I sometimes get problems whereas spell checking from the Messenger dialogue box always works. It occurred to me that there may be confusion as it's easy to forget, with the benefit of OLE, that one's chosen editor is not part of Messenger and that there can be two distinct spell checkers. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 8 21:15:28 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160405 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jan 102 21:15:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010511673:20:12164:56; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:41:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101269; 8 Jan 2002 17:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g08Hr1U10783 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:53:01 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08HqxW10779 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:52:59 GMT Received: from [195.92.168.141] (helo=tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16O0C5-0000MS-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:37:49 +0000 Received: from modem-3079.llama.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.188.7] helo=gordon) by tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16O0Bw-0005oT-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:37:40 +0000 Message-ID: <00e201c1986b$9306bee0$06bd87d9@gordon> From: "Gordon Vicary" To: Subject: Virus - It was a hoax Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:40:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C1986B.7F4167C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C1986B.7F4167C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All It was a hoax and not a virus. The file is a valid windows file. ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C1986B.7F4167C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All
 
It was a hoax and not a virus. The file = is a valid=20 windows file.
------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C1986B.7F4167C0-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 8 21:15:33 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160406 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jan 102 21:15:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010516188:10:27885:75; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:56:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026957; 8 Jan 2002 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g08J83L11217 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:08:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08J81W11213 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:08:01 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16O1OO-0007f1-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:54:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:59:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4af5b98416Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <160375@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <160375@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <160375@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Assuming that the setscreen command in this file actually got executed, > >does this now mean that "setscreen" isn't the cause of the feint grey > >lines? > I might be losing the thread, but presumeably the first step was to > print exactly the same document, in the same way, twice. Once > with screening on and once with it off. If you do that and > capture the PS files output you should be able to see that the > screening commands are the only difference. The file I was sent was PS output generated from a letter by Anthony Hilton. It, at least, contained the "setscreen" literal text, but I was unsure if that was a command or part of a definition. When I printed the file, by issuing *copy thefile printer: on my Kyocera FS1750 the pages didn't have the feint grey stripes. AH sent me the file because he said it disproved my assertion that presence of the "setscreen" command caused those stripes. I'm somewhat baffled. I can't post the test file publically unless AH agrees. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 9 01:39:36 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160414 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jan 102 01:39:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010525054:20:03351:57; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:24:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2003298; 8 Jan 2002 21:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g08LZ6b11589 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:35:06 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g08LZ3W11585 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:35:03 GMT Received: (qmail 8168 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 21:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.49) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 21:21:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:11:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printing Problems To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4af5b98416Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 08 Jan, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <160375@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >Assuming that the setscreen command in this file actually got executed, > > >does this now mean that "setscreen" isn't the cause of the feint grey > > >lines? > > > I might be losing the thread, but presumeably the first step was to > > print exactly the same document, in the same way, twice. Once > > with screening on and once with it off. If you do that and > > capture the PS files output you should be able to see that the > > screening commands are the only difference. > > The file I was sent was PS output generated from a letter by Anthony > Hilton. It, at least, contained the "setscreen" literal text, but I was > unsure if that was a command or part of a definition. When I printed the > file, by issuing *copy thefile printer: on my Kyocera FS1750 the > pages didn't have the feint grey stripes. AH sent me the file because he > said it disproved my assertion that presence of the "setscreen" command > caused those stripes. I'm somewhat baffled. > > I can't post the test file publically unless AH agrees. I only have that printout file in my sent mail folder at present, and do not really think that one should be made public. I have another example (JN's posting with quotes - should be OK here!) which is printed from OPro in exactly the same way if it is any help to anyone. Jeremy, have you printed to a file using your driver/pdf combination and looked to see how it differs from mine? The line above the one containing the setscreen literal is 255 G CP fill I wonder if this is a page background fill and is different on your setup? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 9 13:30:35 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160421 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jan 102 13:30:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010540231:20:06732:59; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 01:37:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006659; 9 Jan 2002 1:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g091nah12124 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:49:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091nYW12121 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:49:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16O7ey-0008Pn-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:36:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:30:24 GMT Message-Id: <160411@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Hilton. It, at least, contained the "setscreen" literal text, but I was >unsure if that was a command or part of a definition. It was a command. If screening is enabled, that is how and where it does it. >said it disproved my assertion that presence of the "setscreen" command >caused those stripes. That would seem to be the case then. Maybe it comes down to screening makes a difference, given certain other parameters for the document. e.g. white is not defined as 100% RGB in the document with the shading. So it looks like it's screening + that is the problem. I gather the shading takes place on the page background, so problem documents must be quite simple, making finding factor X relatively easy. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 9 13:31:06 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160428 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jan 102 13:31:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010574280:20:01423:334; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:04:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020849; 9 Jan 2002 10:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g09AtwT13208 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:55:58 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09AttW13205 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:55:55 GMT Received: from [62.188.152.24] (helo=bw26.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OGFf-0003Xe-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:46:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:18:27 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Use of !Words Message-ID: <42c3c0f54a.jwolfe@argonet.co.uk> References: <160276@pilling.demon.co.uk> <88eda5f44a.Ian@ian.k.lowry.ntlworld.com> <65acb6f44 <836c54f54a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <836c54f54a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <836c54f54a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Fred Bambrough wrote: > > > Are you spell checking from StrongEd's text window or MPro's Send > > > mail/news dialogue box? > > > > Both > > The reason I asked is that StrongEd wouldn't be using !Words but the > Impression module. I tried again today in Mess Pro after removing the Imp module from StrongEd Tools but still could not spellcheck without it. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 01:17:36 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160462 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 01:17:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010621175:20:05265:172; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:06:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2016949; 9 Jan 2002 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g09LHBi25463 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:17:11 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09LH8W25460 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:17:08 GMT Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with SMTP id <0GPO000FIVSXF3@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:03:25 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:04:07 +0000 (GMT) From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: make proxy pictures To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <4cc453f64a.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all I've been working with a very high quality photograph intensive document so i really enjoyed the proxy feature. But sometimes i needed to look to the original picture so i removed the proxy pictures. That can be done easily by remove all proxies. But when you want to change back to proxy pictures i had to do all the photos manually. Is there a smarter way, or could there be a proxy all pictures button of some kind? Many thanks Steven Ottens -- OvationPro 2.66 RISC OS 4.02 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 13:35:25 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160469 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 13:35:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010662459:20:11298:563; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:34:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2008527; 10 Jan 2002 2:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0A35vg26119 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:05:57 GMT Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A35sW26116 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:05:54 GMT Received: from wing3.herald.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.0.227] ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16OVK6-0003Ac-01 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:52:10 +0000 Received: from httpd by wing3.herald.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16OVK6-00016D-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:52:10 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.103 (Entity 4.115) From: Russell Palmer Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:52:10 +0000 (GMT) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Searching for styles Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Can somebody tell me if it possible to search for every occurrence of style A, and either delete them altogether or replace them with style B? !SRWE always complains that my search criterion matches the null string when I try to do this. And, on a similar note, is there a version of !SRWE out there that will correctly insert text with a style that has 'word' scope or am I right in thinking that it will only work with 'selection' scope styles? Cheers muchly, Russ -- Russell Palmer russell.palmer@stcatz.ox.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 13:36:07 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160474 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 13:36:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010658675:10:05332:134; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:31:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1007414; 10 Jan 2002 10:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0AAhNM27036 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:43:23 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (ns1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AAhJW27033 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:43:19 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g0AATeX28356 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:29:40 GMT Subject: Re: Searching for styles To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:29:55 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Can somebody tell me if it possible to search for every occurrence of style A, > and either delete them altogether or replace them with style B? !SRWE always > complains that my search criterion matches the null string when I try to do > this. > And, on a similar note, is there a version of !SRWE out there that will > correctly insert text with a style that has 'word' scope or am I right in > thinking that it will only work with 'selection' scope styles? I did a new version of !SRWE that lets you put wildcards for the string so you can search for any string that has a particular style and then replace the style without affecting the string. I thought it also worked with word scope so check which version of !SRWE you are using. My version should be available on the alternative resource site at :- http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ If not, let me know and I'll send you a copy. Regards Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 13:36:15 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160476 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 13:36:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010661093:10:04495:58; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:11:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004332; 10 Jan 2002 11:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0ABNIH27191 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:23:18 GMT Received: from mail-r2.hw.ac.uk (mail-r.hw.ac.uk [137.195.101.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ABNGW27188 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:23:16 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r2.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Od5O-0007aD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:09:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:08:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Searching for styles Message-ID: <4af69b9239C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.27) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanner: exiscan *16Od5O-0007aD-00*Br3OfADU7Y6* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , wrote: > I did a new version of !SRWE that lets you put wildcards for the > string so you can search for any string that has a particular style > and then replace the style without affecting the string. I thought > it also worked with word scope so check which version of !SRWE you > are using. > My version should be available on the alternative resource site at :- > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > If not, let me know and I'll send you a copy. The version on the site is 0.02 - original author Stephen Brown, additions by Andy Ling - so I assume that is the latest version. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 13:36:18 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160477 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 13:36:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010661867:10:17479:233; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:24:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111014; 10 Jan 2002 11:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0ABSEH27253 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:28:14 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ABSCW27248 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:28:12 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g0ABEcX32370 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:14:39 GMT Subject: Re: Searching for styles To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:14:55 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> My version should be available on the alternative resource site at :- >> http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ >> If not, let me know and I'll send you a copy. > The version on the site is 0.02 - original author Stephen Brown, > additions by Andy Ling - so I assume that is the latest version. Yep, that sounds like it Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 18:06:16 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160481 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 18:06:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010670610:10:00302:89; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:50:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120306; 10 Jan 2002 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0ADjjr27739 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:45:45 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ADjgW27730 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:45:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16OfJE-000Je5-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:31:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:21:52 GMT Message-Id: <160463@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Bigfoot.com X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, If your ISP is bigfoot.com, and you are reading this, could you please drop me an email to david@pilling.co.uk Problem is that a bigfoot address is bouncing, but the return address is spam@spam.spam.co.uk Maybe some clever anti spam device. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 18:06:18 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160482 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 18:06:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010671872:10:28130:71; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:11:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1101089; 10 Jan 2002 13:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0ADjn927743 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:45:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ADjiW27738 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:45:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16OfJH-000Je5-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:31:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:26:44 GMT Message-Id: <160467@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Windows font mapping X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I wonder what peoples favourite way of mapping between RISC OS and Windows fonts is? It might be a nice improvement anyway to have a big text file that mapped missing fonts on loading. So if you had a missing font you could set up a substitute. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 18:06:22 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160483 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 18:06:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010676483:20:19911:79; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:28:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113468; 10 Jan 2002 15:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0AEujq28104 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:56:45 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AEudW28101 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:56:39 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=madhatter.navaho.net) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OgTm-00006M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:46:54 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows font mapping From: Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: argomail Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:46:54 +0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:26:44 GMT , opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >I wonder what peoples favourite way of mapping between RISC OS and Windows >fonts is? > >It might be a nice improvement anyway to have a big text file that mapped missing >fonts on loading. So if you had a missing font you could set up a substitute. > > > >David Pilling > >-- >email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > CC used to have something that did this with their RTF loader for Impression (although I've never seen it). One of the things I My feeling has always been that we need a unified way of doing this that is available to all software in both directions (RO->T David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 18:06:27 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160485 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 18:06:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010678368:20:22567:312; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:59:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019969; 10 Jan 2002 15:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0AFPFF28258 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:25:15 GMT Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AFPCW28255 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:25:12 GMT Received: from wing2.herald.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.0.226] ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16OgrW-00001B-04 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:11:26 +0000 Received: from httpd by wing2.herald.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16OgrW-0003kJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:11:26 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.103 (Entity 4.115) From: Russell Palmer Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:11:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Searching for styles To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk writes: > > > >> My version should be available on the alternative resource site at :- > > >> http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > > >> If not, let me know and I'll send you a copy. > > > The version on the site is 0.02 - original author Stephen Brown, > > additions by Andy Ling - so I assume that is the latest version. > > Yep, that sounds like it this is, indeed, the version that I am using. But it doesn't like me using wildcards that (imo) would return any string, of any length in the specified style. Surely entering "/*" and specifying a style should find all occurences of that style? Am I being really stupid? Cheers, Russ -- Russell Palmer russell.palmer@stcatz.ox.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 18:06:27 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160486 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 18:06:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010676558:10:00699:238; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:29:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1005820; 10 Jan 2002 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0AF1T828129 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:01:29 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AF1QW28126 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:01:26 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0AEleo24905 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:47:40 GMT Received: from trevor ([137.205.186.55]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0AEleP12052 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:47:40 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:45:24 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <160467@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > I wonder what peoples favourite way of mapping between RISC OS and Windows > fonts is? > > It might be a nice improvement anyway to have a big text file > that mapped missing > fonts on loading. So if you had a missing font you could set up a > substitute. I suppose that the 'proper' solution would be to have PANOSE numbers for RISC OS fonts. Then store those in the aforementioned text file, perhaps with the option of a 'preferred' font mapping as well. There should be PANOSE numbers attainable from any fonts imported from decent foundries (e.g. Monotype via LOOKSystems, ITC via EFF). http://www.w3.org/Printing/stevahn.html http://www.w3.org/Fonts/Panose/pan2.html http://www.agfamonotype.com/print_manu/pan1.htm Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 18:06:35 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160489 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 18:06:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010681915:10:06576:395; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:58:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1103146; 10 Jan 2002 15:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0ADjli27742 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:45:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ADjhW27734 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:45:43 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16OfJG-000Je5-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:31:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:24:49 GMT Message-Id: <160465@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: make proxy pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a smarter way, or could there be a proxy all pictures button of some >kind? I don't think there's much joy to offer. You could save a copy of the document, or do something clever using a text editor on the DDL version of the document. And one day I may do something about improving the facilities. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 18:06:38 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160490 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jan 102 18:06:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010685009:10:12005:295; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:50:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122535; 10 Jan 2002 16:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0AGDYw28466 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:13:34 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AGDWW28463 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:13:32 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g0AFxwX21689 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:59:58 GMT Subject: Re: Searching for styles To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:00:12 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> > The version on the site is 0.02 - original author Stephen Brown, >> > additions by Andy Ling - so I assume that is the latest version. >> >> Yep, that sounds like it > this is, indeed, the version that I am using. But it doesn't like me using > wildcards that (imo) would return any string, of any length in the specified > style. Surely entering "/*" and specifying a style should find all occurences > of that style? Am I being really stupid? It uses the same wildcards as other applets so to match all strings you have to use \.\*. The you use \& as the replacement string. There is a popup window that has all the wildcards on it somewhere. Sorry it's a while since I used it and I'm not at my RiscPC to check. The readMe file in the !SRWE applet may help. There are a few pointers there HTH Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 11 01:33:49 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160496 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jan 102 01:33:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010698997:10:19525:60; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:43:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018933; 10 Jan 2002 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0ALsmT29206 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:54:48 GMT Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0ALskW29203 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:54:46 GMT Received: (qmail 26418 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 21:40:55 -0000 Received: from userag61.uk.uudial.com (HELO ukgateway) (62.188.132.147) by smtp-5.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 21:40:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:47:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: <4af6cb17f4dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , wrote: > At Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:26:44 GMT , opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David > Pilling) wrote: > > > >I wonder what peoples favourite way of mapping between RISC OS and > >Windows fonts is? > > > >It might be a nice improvement anyway to have a big text file that > >mapped missing fonts on loading. So if you had a missing font you could > >set up a substitute. David Pilling > CC used to have something that did this with their RTF loader for > Impression (although I've never seen it). One of the things I've never > got round to is creating something similar for !MakeRTF. > My feeling has always been that we need a unified way of doing this that > > is available to all software in both directions (RO->TTF and TTF->RO) > through a standard set of routines. There are alot of programs that > currently have local files to do the translation. > David 'Tiz still there, inside CCShared (Boot.Resources), in a directory called mappings. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 11 14:05:08 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160520 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jan 102 14:05:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010714670:10:26961:56; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:04:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026036; 11 Jan 2002 2:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0B2Gvq29744 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:16:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B2GtW29741 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:16:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Or27-000KIX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:03:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:03:42 GMT Message-Id: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows font mapping X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >'Tiz still there, inside CCShared (Boot.Resources), in a directory called >mappings. Hmm any idea what you have to have, or do to get that. I have Publisher+ installed and I don't have any such directory. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 11 14:05:49 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160526 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jan 102 14:05:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010735475:10:09959:56; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:51:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1129672; 11 Jan 2002 7:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0B83cD30453 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:03:38 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B83aW30450 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:03:36 GMT Received: from [62.188.145.77] (helo=62.188.145.77) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OwVT-0007eB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:53:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:35:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: <4af70bf51arobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >'Tiz still there, inside CCShared (Boot.Resources), in a directory > >called mappings. > Hmm any idea what you have to have, or do to get that. I have Publisher+ > installed and I don't have any such directory. > David Pilling I think it came with the RTF and WordPerfect loaders that was (is?) an optional extra for impression. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 11 14:06:04 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160527 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jan 102 14:05:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010740218:10:22501:63; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:10:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1022298; 11 Jan 2002 9:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0B9NI030664 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:23:18 GMT Received: from mail1.ims-firmen.de (mail1.ims-firmen.de [213.174.32.56]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0B9NFW30661 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:23:15 GMT Received: (qmail 23985 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 09:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uff411.ucs.de) (212.62.80.172) by mail1.ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 09:09:18 -0000 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:08:26 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 11 Jan 2002 10:08:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:08:17 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4af70bf51arobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4af70bf51arobh@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4af70bf51arobh@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > > >'Tiz still there, inside CCShared (Boot.Resources), in a directory > > >called mappings. > > > Hmm any idea what you have to have, or do to get that. I have Publisher+ > > installed and I don't have any such directory. > > > > David Pilling > > I think it came with the RTF and WordPerfect loaders that was (is?) an > optional extra for impression. > Does anyone remember something called "Impression Business Supplement"? I think that was the source of it. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 11 22:09:23 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160551 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jan 102 22:09:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010774439:10:15698:239; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:40:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1009046; 11 Jan 2002 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0BGVjM31663 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:31:45 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BGVgW31660 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:31:42 GMT Received: from [62.188.146.22] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P4RA-0001E0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:21:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:06:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: <4af70ec7acsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >'Tiz still there, inside CCShared (Boot.Resources), in a directory called > >mappings. > Hmm any idea what you have to have, or do to get that. I have Publisher+ > installed and I don't have any such directory. How about ...Boot.Resources.!System.!CCshared ? Which came with Publisher (not plus) Font mappings - CCshared.Mappings.Fonts LoadRTF* (* = a, m, p) are in the !CCshared.Mappings.Characters sub-directory. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 11 22:09:47 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160557 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jan 102 22:09:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010780584:10:17571:67; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:23:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025867; 11 Jan 2002 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0BKDfH32233 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:13:42 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKDdW32230 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:13:40 GMT Received: from [62.188.154.35] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P7tv-000284-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:03:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:57:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: <4af74fe38bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4af70bf51arobh@argonet.co.uk> <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de>, Martin Vethake wrote: > Does anyone remember something called "Impression Business > Supplement"? No. > I think that was the source of it. You may well be wrong. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 11 22:09:50 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160559 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jan 102 22:09:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010783208:10:24559:233; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:06:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110111; 11 Jan 2002 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0BG6o931604 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:06:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BG6mW31601 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:06:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16P3z6-000M8r-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:52:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:20:43 GMT Message-Id: <160537@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows font mapping X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks to everyone who mailed me regarding font mapping. One prize is for pointing out that OP's TransRTF loader already performs font mapping. I should have known that. OTOH I'm still trying to track down the author of that code - Rob Clark. I had been attempting to establish which CC products were involved to reduce the time I had to spend searching the loft. But anyway someone sent me a program called CCMapper which looks interesting. This is a graphical front end to the mappings file. CC's work raises another point which I was aware of, although I've not solved it yet - character set mappings. All those ligatures (for example) don't have a mapping in the standard Windows character sets. All this makes the leap to Unicode look more inviting. I'm sure that will come, but not immediately. I've got the RISC OS Unicode font manager on this machine. So an interesting bet would be will OP Unicode support appear before the Unicode font manager. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 12 01:53:31 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160567 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jan 102 01:53:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010787201:10:25852:81; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:13:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1108423; 11 Jan 2002 20:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0BKWTo32352 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:32:29 GMT Received: from spartha.spa.umn.edu (spartha.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKWQW32349 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:32:26 GMT Received: from crail.spa.umn.edu (crail.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.148]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0BKIJK245565 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:18:19 -0600 (CST) Received: by crail.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/1.1.29.3/30Aug01-0531PM) id OAA0000067934; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:18:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:18:18 -0600 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: <20020111141818.L64669@crail.spa.umn.edu> References: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4af70bf51arobh@argonet.co.uk> <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4af74fe38bsteve. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4af74fe38bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>; from steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 07:57:58PM +00 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 07:57:58PM +0000, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de>, > Martin Vethake wrote: > > Does anyone remember something called "Impression Business > > Supplement"? > > No. I certainly remember its existence, and I think I even saw the manual for it recently while going through some, er, "junk". I can't remember what it did though. Possibly there was some PostScript post-processing utility, amongst other stuff. G. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 12 01:53:31 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160566 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jan 102 01:53:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010791007:20:25074:58; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:16:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114288; 11 Jan 2002 23:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0BNUJ700344 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:30:19 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BNUHW00341 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:30:17 GMT Received: from modem-2503.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.121.199] helo=modem-2503) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16PAuD-0000X3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:16:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:15:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: <4af761fa9brayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4af74fe38bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4af70bf51arobh@argonet.co.uk> <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4af74fe38bsteve. User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4af74fe38bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de>, > Martin Vethake wrote: > > Does anyone remember something called "Impression Business > > Supplement"? > No. Yes. > > I think that was the source of it. > You may well be wrong. He isn't. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 12 01:53:41 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160571 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jan 102 01:53:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010790527:10:02552:66; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:08:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1011098; 11 Jan 2002 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0BMh3U32654 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:43:03 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BMh1W32650 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:43:01 GMT Received: from [62.188.144.5] (helo=62.188.144.5) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PAER-0006yG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:33:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:21:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: <4af7628c4fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , wrote: > CC used to have something that did this with their RTF loader for > Impression (although I've never seen it). One of the things I've never > got round to is creating something similar for !MakeRTF. Goto http://www.cconcepts.co.uk/products/rtfload.htm David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Author IdxPro,Newframe,WordWrks and Labeller | | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 12 14:00:23 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160574 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jan 102 14:00:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010805086:20:01036:59; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:11:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000975; 12 Jan 2002 3:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0C3OhC00815 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:24:43 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0C3OfW00812 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:24:41 GMT Received: (qmail 23279 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 03:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.145) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 03:10:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:27:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Windows font mapping To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4af70ec7acsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 11 Jan, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > >'Tiz still there, inside CCShared (Boot.Resources), in a directory > > >called mappings. > > > Hmm any idea what you have to have, or do to get that. I have Publisher+ > > installed and I don't have any such directory. > > > How about ...Boot.Resources.!System.!CCshared ? > > Which came with Publisher (not plus) > > > > Font mappings - CCshared.Mappings.Fonts > > LoadRTF* (* = a, m, p) are in the !CCshared.Mappings.Characters > sub-directory. > I have Publisher (not Plus) and Artworks (and did have Turbodriver but that's not installed at present) but no Mappings directory in CCShared. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 12 14:00:33 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160578 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jan 102 14:00:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010827064:10:11026:684; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:17:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117460; 12 Jan 2002 8:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0C8i2p01442 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:44:02 GMT Received: from mail1.ims-firmen.de (mail1.ims-firmen.de [213.174.32.56]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0C8hxW01438 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:43:59 GMT Received: (qmail 3481 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 08:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uff411.ucs.de) (212.62.80.139) by mail1.ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 08:29:50 -0000 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:28:57 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 12 Jan 2002 09:28:55 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:28:49 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: References: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4af70bf51arobh@argonet.co.uk> <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4af74fe38bsteve. In-Reply-To: <4af74fe38bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4af74fe38bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de>, > Martin Vethake wrote: > > Does anyone remember something called "Impression Business > > Supplement"? > > No. > Really, like to get one? We still got one in stock for EUR 76,18. > > I think that was the source of it. > > You may well be wrong. > Absolutely. I never had any use for Impressions mappings. Have fun... -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 12 14:00:46 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160582 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jan 102 14:00:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010824948:20:04735:56; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:42:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004616; 12 Jan 2002 8:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0C8uMU01485 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:56:22 GMT Received: from mail1.ims-firmen.de (mail1.ims-firmen.de [213.174.32.56]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0C8uJW01482 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:56:19 GMT Received: (qmail 10652 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 08:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uff411.ucs.de) (212.62.80.217) by mail1.ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 08:42:10 -0000 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:41:21 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 12 Jan 2002 09:41:19 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:41:18 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: <4ac695f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Fri 11 Jan, Steven Pampling wrote: > > In article <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > >'Tiz still there, inside CCShared (Boot.Resources), in a directory > > > >called mappings. > > > > > Hmm any idea what you have to have, or do to get that. I have Publisher+ > > > installed and I don't have any such directory. > > > > > > How about ...Boot.Resources.!System.!CCshared ? > > > > Which came with Publisher (not plus) > > > > > > > > Font mappings - CCshared.Mappings.Fonts > > > > LoadRTF* (* = a, m, p) are in the !CCshared.Mappings.Characters > > sub-directory. > > > > I have Publisher (not Plus) and Artworks (and did have Turbodriver but > that's not installed at present) but no Mappings directory in CCShared. > Publisher plus doesn't put it there too. I haven't seen !CCshared.Mappings since switching from an R260 to an RPC. Problem is when we still were avid Impression users and RPC wasn't on the horizon we had regular visits of Gordon Taylor (yes, with Road Show sweater) who 'dumped' lots of fun stuff on our HDs that was not 'official', and by now I can't tell where things came from. Have fun... -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 15 16:46:57 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160595 for opro ; Tue, 15 Jan 102 16:46:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010859915:20:25568:57; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:25:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025522; 12 Jan 2002 18:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0CIbhv02680 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:37:43 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIbeW02677 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:37:40 GMT Received: from kbnet.co.uk (host213-1-25-136.webport.bt.net [213.1.25.136]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0CIPqC16693 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:25:53 GMT Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:24:50 GMT From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: References: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4af70bf51arobh@argonet.co.uk> <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4af74fe38bsteve. In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have been checking my software collection and can confirm that CC's Loaders/Savers included an application called !CCmapper. This allows you to define font and character mappings. As far as I can determine these mapping files are saved in a directory 'Mappings@ in !CCShared inside !System. The main use is in loading and saving RTF and WordPerfect files. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 15 16:47:11 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160597 for opro ; Tue, 15 Jan 102 16:47:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010863049:20:07800:29; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:17:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124515; 12 Jan 2002 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0CJUdE02888 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:30:39 GMT Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CJUaW02885 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:30:36 GMT Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id d.3a.2038c242 (4340) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:16:14 -0500 (EST) From: Message-ID: <3a.2038c242.2971e57e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:16:14 EST Subject: Re: Windows font mapping To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a message dated 11/01/02 09:10:23 GMT Standard Time, martinv@ucs.de writes: > In article <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > > wrote: > > > > > >'Tiz still there, inside CCShared (Boot.Resources), in a directory > > > >called mappings. > > > > > Hmm any idea what you have to have, or do to get that. I have Publisher+ > > > installed and I don't have any such directory. > > > > > > > David Pilling > > > > I think it came with the RTF and WordPerfect loaders that was (is?) an > > optional extra for impression. > > > Does anyone remember something called "Impression Business Supplement"? > I think that was the source of it. > I got my CCShared with Turbodrivers TomH -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 15 16:48:25 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160607 for opro ; Tue, 15 Jan 102 16:48:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010870007:10:07626:60; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:13:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129330; 12 Jan 2002 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0CLBpF03198 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:11:51 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0CLBmW03195 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:11:48 GMT Received: (qmail 25499 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 21:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.77) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 21:11:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:33:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Windows font mapping To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 10 Jan, davidb@argonet.co.uk wrote: > At Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:26:44 GMT , opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) > wrote: > > > > >I wonder what peoples favourite way of mapping between RISC OS and Windows > >fonts is? > > > >It might be a nice improvement anyway to have a big text file that mapped > >missing fonts on loading. So if you had a missing font you could set up a > >substitute. > > > > CC used to have something that did this with their RTF loader for > Impression (although I've never seen it). One of the things I've never got > round to is creating something > similar for !MakeRTF. > > My feeling has always been that we need a unified way of doing this that is > available to all software in both directions (RO->TTF and TTF->RO) through > a standard set of rou tines. There are alot of programs that currently have > local files to do the translation. How does EasiWriter/Techwriter handle font mappings when reading/writing Word format docs? Probably covered by David B's last sentence. I know I've jumped into the middle of the thread - it seemed the appropriate message to trigger my question. As David Breakwell says, a single way of making the translation available to all software is most efficient - saves all authors having to invent the same wheel and means that if a user wants to change a particular mapping one change makes it through to all applications instead of having to change it in each app which provides the facility. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 15 16:50:02 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160622 for opro ; Tue, 15 Jan 102 16:49:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010913219:10:04540:121; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:13:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1012499; 13 Jan 2002 8:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0D8d5j04478 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:39:05 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D8d3W04475 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:39:03 GMT Received: from [62.188.131.167] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PgEE-0002CH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:42:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:09:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Windows font mapping Message-ID: <4af7da46bfsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <160507@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4af70bf51arobh@argonet.co.uk> <896814f74a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4af74fe38bsteve. User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mike Williams wrote: > I have been checking my software collection and can confirm that CC's > Loaders/Savers included an application called !CCmapper. This allows > you to define font and character mappings. As far as I can determine > these mapping files are saved in a directory 'Mappings@ in !CCShared > inside !System. > The main use is in loading and saving RTF and WordPerfect files. Ah. That would certainly explain my copy. Just labelled as RTF/WordPerfect loaders as I recall though. So where the business supplement stuff came in I really have no idea - contained the same loaders perhaps? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 15 16:52:54 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160640 for opro ; Tue, 15 Jan 102 16:52:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010964124:10:29253:62; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:22:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123211; 13 Jan 2002 23:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0DN9nx06335 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:09:49 GMT Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DN9kW06332 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:09:46 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-17-80.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.17.80]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACZ24954; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:09:30 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:07:58 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:08:23 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Marker pen Message-ID: <54fe68f84a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4af8608264dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dave Symes wrote: > I did have a Marker Pen button on the OvPro Button bar... Hilight a bit of > text normally click on the marker pen button and the hilighted bit was > marked just like a yellow flourescent marker Pen. > > I've tried to reconstruct this but can't quite get it right this time. > > > {string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s=="Hilight") > addstyle(i-1)} > > That's all one line Btw., in the macro window writable box. > > Ticked the box in the Macro window and done a [Save]. > Rerun OvPro... > > I still can't get the hilighted text to mark, it used to be yellow. > > I have a nagging feeling I'm missing something, but I can't remember what. > Could some kind person easy my misery? > Looks to me as if you need to define a style 'hilight' (preferably in the default document). I guess that style would simply specify 'selection' and 'background=yellow". The macro might work then. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 15 16:53:01 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160643 for opro ; Tue, 15 Jan 102 16:52:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010957905:20:00747:58; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:38:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118012; 13 Jan 2002 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0DLaYE06006 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:36:34 GMT Received: from thick.mail.pipex.net (thick.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.95]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0DLaWW06003 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:36:32 GMT Received: (qmail 25881 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 21:34:20 -0000 Received: from usercd53.uk.uudial.com (HELO ukgateway) (62.188.151.164) by smtp-3.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 21:34:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:35:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Marker pen Message-ID: <4af8608264dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Goodness me how the brain fails when most needed. Had a few problems this weekend... all sorted now. One small remaining PITB though. I did have a Marker Pen button on the OvPro Button bar... Hilight a bit of text normally click on the marker pen button and the hilighted bit was marked just like a yellow flourescent marker Pen. I've tried to reconstruct this but can't quite get it right this time. The sprite (hilit) still exists so that's no problem, I've reconstructed the Macro wording from a backup... {string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s=="Hilight") addstyle(i-1)} That's all one line Btw., in the macro window writable box. Ticked the box in the Macro window and done a [Save]. Rerun OvPro... I still can't get the hilighted text to mark, it used to be yellow. I have a nagging feeling I'm missing something, but I can't remember what. Could some kind person easy my misery? Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 15 16:53:34 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160653 for opro ; Tue, 15 Jan 102 16:53:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1010991539:20:26117:57; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:58:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120316; 14 Jan 2002 6:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0E6waC07232 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:58:36 GMT Received: from hose.mail.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0E6wXW07229 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:58:33 GMT Received: (qmail 22064 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 06:58:14 -0000 Received: from userbg76.uk.uudial.com (HELO ukgateway) (62.188.142.196) by smtp-4.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 06:58:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:58:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Marker pen Message-ID: <4af894082edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <54fe68f84a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <4af8608264dfs@ukgateway.net> <54fe68f84a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <54fe68f84a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol wrote: > > I have a nagging feeling I'm missing something, but I can't remember what. > > Could some kind person easy my misery? > > > Looks to me as if you need to define a style 'hilight' > (preferably in the default document). I guess that style would > simply specify 'selection' and 'background=yellow". The macro > might work then. > David Thanks David, That was the bit I'd forgotten to re-do. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 18 13:53:11 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160810 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jan 102 13:53:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011354335:10:04904:1087; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:45:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1020632; 18 Jan 2002 10:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0IAP9318800 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:25:09 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IAP6W18797 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:25:07 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16RWBY-000CkK-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:23:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:13:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Artworks & OPro colours Message-ID: <4afaafb69fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4afa73e464andrew@owlart.co.uk> References: <4afa73e464andrew@owlart.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4afa73e464andrew@owlart.co.uk>, Andrew wrote: > I've searched my back copies, but to no avail. Is it possible to export > an Artworks palette into OPro? I've got quite a few colours setup that > I'd like to convert directly rather than individually. ANy ideas? I'm afraid I can't help but I've recently realised that this would be an excellent idea - so if anyone can come up with a solution... -- John Cartmell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 18 13:53:23 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160815 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jan 102 13:53:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011321812:20:03788:134; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:43:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2022010; 18 Jan 2002 2:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0I2UWQ17878 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:30:32 GMT Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HMOlW17405 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:24:47 GMT Received: from host213-122-91-222.btinternet.com ([213.122.91.222] helo=btopenworld.com) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16RKwd-0006mW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:23:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:19:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Artworks & OPro colours Message-ID: <4afa73e464andrew@owlart.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've searched my back copies, but to no avail. Is it possible to export an Artworks palette into OPro? I've got quite a few colours setup that I'd like to convert directly rather than individually. ANy ideas? Thanks, Andrew -- http://www.owlart.co.uk/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Andrew@owlart.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. 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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:38:13 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks & OPro colours Message-ID: <6577cdfa4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <4afa73e464andrew@owlart.co.uk> <000701c1a022$141cab80$4d01a8c0@padua> In-Reply-To: <000701c1a022$141cab80$4d01a8c0@padua> X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory NLR User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message dated 18 Jan 2002 Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Thu 17 Jan, Andrew wrote: > > > > I've searched my back copies, but to no avail. Is it possible to export > > an Artworks palette into OPro? I've got quite a few colours setup that > > I'd like to convert directly rather than individually. ANy ideas? > > > I have a note about an application called !OvnColArt > "!OvnColArt 1.00 17-09-1999 "Convert colour tables OvP<>AW" " > > I can't find the application itself on my harddisc. > I also couldn't find it with AcornSearch ... > I found it on my harddisc! It is freeware from the former Levens Software (now Real Ingenuity). I could send a copy to whom it concerns. Regards, Frits Polak -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 18 18:22:19 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160833 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jan 102 18:22:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011362426:10:15377:804; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:00:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1116655; 18 Jan 2002 13:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0IDGDY19229 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:16:13 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IDGBW19226 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:16:11 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust213.tnt15.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.124.213] with SMTP for id OAA12711 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:14:31 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000701c1a022$141cab80$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4afa73e464andrew@owlart.co.uk> Subject: Re: Artworks & OPro colours Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:13:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 17 Jan, Andrew wrote: > I've searched my back copies, but to no avail. Is it possible to export > an Artworks palette into OPro? I've got quite a few colours setup that > I'd like to convert directly rather than individually. ANy ideas? > I have a note about an application called !OvnColArt "!OvnColArt 1.00 17-09-1999 "Convert colour tables OvP<>AW" " I can't find the application itself on my harddisc. I also couldn't find it with AcornSearch ... -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 18 18:22:31 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160835 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jan 102 18:22:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011367606:10:13635:111; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:26:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007192; 18 Jan 2002 14:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0IETNZ19468 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:29:23 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IETGW19465 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:29:20 GMT Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16RZzr-000B89-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:28:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:26:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: Artworks & OPro colours To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <000701c1a022$141cab80$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 18 Jan, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Thu 17 Jan, Andrew wrote: > > > > I've searched my back copies, but to no avail. Is it possible to export > > an Artworks palette into OPro? I've got quite a few colours setup that > > I'd like to convert directly rather than individually. ANy ideas? > > > I have a note about an application called !OvnColArt > "!OvnColArt 1.00 17-09-1999 "Convert colour tables OvP<>AW" " > > I can't find the application itself on my harddisc. > I also couldn't find it with AcornSearch ... > I have a copy here. It's by Benji Levens and is Freeware. Doc states it may be distributed freely by any means, but then says it may not be made available from any other web site than Levens Software. I haven't had chance to check it's still there yet (I'm typing this offline). If you can't find it, let me know and I'll send you a copy. Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 18 23:34:54 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160848 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jan 102 23:34:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011381734:20:19060:121; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:22:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2024783; 18 Jan 2002 17:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0IHAf619942 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:10:41 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IHAcW19939 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:10:38 GMT Received: from pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:02:49 +0000 Received: from goatly (unverified [213.48.250.143]) by pcow058m.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Fri 18 Jan, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > On Thu 17 Jan, Andrew wrote: > > > > > I have a note about an application called !OvnColArt > > "!OvnColArt 1.00 17-09-1999 "Convert colour tables OvP<>AW" " > > > > I can't find the application itself on my harddisc. > > I also couldn't find it with AcornSearch ... > > > > I have a copy here. > > It's by Benji Levens and is Freeware. Doc states it may be distributed freely > by any means, but then says it may not be made available from any other > web site than Levens Software. It doesn't seem to be on the RealIngenuity site. Mind you, that has to be one of the most poorly designed sites I've encountered - not a good advert for its web design services! Bruce Goatly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 18 23:34:55 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160849 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jan 102 23:34:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011378669:10:15986:213; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:31:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128466; 18 Jan 2002 18:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0IHrX320109 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:53:33 GMT Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IHrVW20106 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:53:31 GMT Received: from bghill.onetel.net.uk (213-78-20-194.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.20.194]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACU23507; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:52:11 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:52:19 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: Artworks & OPro colours To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <134bdafa4a%ovation@goatly.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 18 Jan, Bruce Goatly wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > In on Fri 18 Jan, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > On Thu 17 Jan, Andrew wrote: > > > > > > > I have a note about an application called !OvnColArt > > > "!OvnColArt 1.00 17-09-1999 "Convert colour tables OvP<>AW" " > > > > > > I can't find the application itself on my harddisc. > > > I also couldn't find it with AcornSearch ... > > > > > > > I have a copy here. > > > > It's by Benji Levens and is Freeware. Doc states it may be distributed freely > > by any means, but then says it may not be made available from any other > > web site than Levens Software. > > It doesn't seem to be on the RealIngenuity site. Mind you, that has to be > one of the most poorly designed sites I've encountered - not a good advert > for its web design services! > > Bruce Goatly > My sentiment exactly, but a bit off topic, unless anyone says that the site was originally created in OP. Bernard. > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road email: bghill@onetel.net.uk Undy, Caldicot NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 18 23:35:01 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160851 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jan 102 23:34:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011380603:10:14129:521; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:03:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1108883; 18 Jan 2002 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0IImQF20337 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:48:26 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IImNW20333 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:48:23 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust66.tnt11.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.116.66] with SMTP for id TAA09692 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:46:40 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001f01c1a050$7b077a40$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <4afa73e464andrew@owlart.co.uk> <000701c1a022$141cab80$4d01a8c0@padua> <6577cdfa4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Subject: Re: Artworks & OPro colours Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:45:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 18 Jan, : F.R. Polak wrote: > In message dated 18 Jan 2002 > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > On Thu 17 Jan, Andrew wrote: > > > > > > > I've searched my back copies, but to no avail. Is it possible to export > > > an Artworks palette into OPro? I've got quite a few colours setup that > > > I'd like to convert directly rather than individually. ANy ideas? > > > > > I have a note about an application called !OvnColArt > > "!OvnColArt 1.00 17-09-1999 "Convert colour tables OvP<>AW" " > > > > I can't find the application itself on my harddisc. > > I also couldn't find it with AcornSearch ... > > > > I found it on my harddisc! It is freeware from the former Levens > Software (now Real Ingenuity). I could send a copy to whom it concerns. Thanks for this info. I have found it too. Not on my harddisc, but on the OvP CD: OvationPro/zip.Others.Levens.Colours Surely easier to get than from a website ... -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 18 23:35:14 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160854 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jan 102 23:35:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011390110:10:26185:80; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:41:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020705; 18 Jan 2002 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0ILaaT20731 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:36:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILaYW20728 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:36:34 GMT Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16RgfG-000PPP-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:35:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:40:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: Artworks & OPro colours To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <001f01c1a050$7b077a40$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Fri 18 Jan, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: [snip] > Thanks for this info. > I have found it too. Not on my harddisc, but on the OvP CD: > OvationPro/zip.Others.Levens.Colours > > Surely easier to get than from a website ... > Which means we all (should) have it anyway. -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 19 14:09:07 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160871 for opro ; Sat, 19 Jan 102 14:09:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011406920:20:21491:77; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:22:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008303; 19 Jan 2002 2:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0J2Av421276 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:10:57 GMT Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IJk1W20512 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:46:01 GMT Received: from host62-7-5-179.btinternet.com ([62.7.5.179] helo=btopenworld.com) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16RewD-0002HB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:44:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew To: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:34:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Artworks & OPro colours Message-ID: <4afae8a250andrew@owlart.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001f01c1a050$7b077a40$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <4afa73e464andrew@owlart.co.uk> <000701c1a022$141cab80$4d01a8c0@padua> <6577cdfa4a.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> <001f01c1a User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <001f01c1a050$7b077a40$4d01a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Fri 18 Jan, : F.R. Polak wrote: > > In message dated 18 Jan 2002 > > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > > > On Thu 17 Jan, Andrew wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've searched my back copies, but to no avail. Is it possible to > > > > export an Artworks palette into OPro? I've got quite a few > > > > colours setup that I'd like to convert directly rather than > > > > individually. ANy ideas? > > > > > > > I have a note about an application called !OvnColArt "!OvnColArt > > > 1.00 17-09-1999 "Convert colour tables OvP<>AW" " > > > > > > I can't find the application itself on my harddisc. I also couldn't > > > find it with AcornSearch ... > > > > > > > I found it on my harddisc! It is freeware from the former Levens > > Software (now Real Ingenuity). I could send a copy to whom it > > concerns. > Thanks for this info. I have found it too. Not on my harddisc, but on > the OvP CD: OvationPro/zip.Others.Levens.Colours > Surely easier to get than from a website ... Thanks, I thought I'd looked there! I was sure I'd remembered seeing something along those lines, but wasn't sure. Andrew -- http://www.owlart.co.uk/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Andrew@owlart.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 58 Newland Road, | | | Worthing, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | West Sussex. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | BN11 1JX. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 22 16:51:53 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160893 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jan 102 16:51:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011553832:10:13376:56; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:10:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013027; 20 Jan 2002 19:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0KJBZ225922 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:11:35 GMT Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJBXW25919 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:11:33 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-40-221.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.40.221]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADD63020; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:09:47 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:06:32 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:07:12 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Automatic bulleting etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Robin Phillips wrote: > 3) Jan tells me the most satisfactory way to use this autoinsertion is > to define a style, and I imagine that once that style is defined and applied > all I will need to do is to tick or un-tick the autoinsert box to turn the > insertion on or off. That's fine, but defining a style implied choosing a > font, so far as I can see. And I am constantly choosing different fonts > (Baskerville, Bembo, etc.) for different jobs, as I work for several > different societies, and each tends to have a house style... What do you > suggest to get over this one? A couple of thoughts about your last point. Defining a style doesn't require you to specify font or anything else if you don't won't to. You can have a 'bulleted' list style which leaves the font selection as 'don't care' - so whatever the existing font (eg bodystyle) is retained. However, if you create documents with different housestyles, the best thing is usually to create a stylesheet or empty document for each house style. After all, differences between house styles are usually more than a matter of the font. So you may want to define a different bulletted list style in each master document anyway. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 22 16:53:15 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160921 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jan 102 16:53:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011546513:20:16909:56; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:08:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015814; 20 Jan 2002 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0KH4mN25576 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:04:48 GMT Received: from imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.180]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KH4eW25573 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:04:45 GMT Received: from modem-122.protactinium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.65.122] helo=localhost) by imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16SLMv-00079u-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:02:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:43:28 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Automatic bulleting etc. Message-ID: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, With the patient help of Jan van Vredenburch I have just about mastered the lower levels of automatic bulleting or numbering of paragraphs. That is to say, I can now turn this on or off, and choose successfully between bulleting and numbering. But of course I am keen to climb to greater heights! 1) I am disappointed that the dialogue boxes revealed by ^F do not permit (so far as I can see) the user to put IN FRONT of the bullet or number anything other than ONE character. For example, it might be useful to be able to insert 1 tab there. Perhaps there is a way which I have not yet rumbled. I am aware that I can insert a tab AFTER the insert by clicking to tick the button provided. 2) I have not yet managed to insert anything automatically for SUB-paragraphs. I mean that if I have a series of paras with automatic numbering and 1 or more of these have a few subsidiary paragraphs, then I think there is a way of inserting (say) 1, 2, 2a, 2b, 2c, 3, 4, 5. Do you see what I mean. 3) Jan tells me the most satisfactory way to use this autoinsertion is to define a style, and I imagine that once that style is defined and applied all I will need to do is to tick or un-tick the autoinsert box to turn the insertion on or off. That's fine, but defining a style implied choosing a font, so far as I can see. And I am constantly choosing different fonts (Baskerville, Bembo, etc.) for different jobs, as I work for several different societies, and each tends to have a house style... What do you suggest to get over this one? Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 22 23:26:35 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA160958 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jan 102 23:26:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011724994:20:00870:57; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:43:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125235; 22 Jan 2002 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0MIWf631803 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:32:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MIWdW31800 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:32:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16T5gh-000Ltx-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:30:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:23:33 GMT Message-Id: <160949@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Automatic bulleting etc. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am disappointed that the dialogue boxes revealed by ^F do not >permit (so far as I can see) the user to put IN FRONT of the bullet or number >anything other than ONE character. Fair comment. Alas things were specified this way long ago, and it was easier to just go with the document format that already existed. Ideally one would allow much more user control over the auto numbering via a simple programming language - as if the current set up isn't complicated enough. >I have not yet managed to insert anything automatically for >SUB-paragraphs. I mean that if I have a series of paras with automatic >numbering and 1 or more of these have a few subsidiary paragraphs, then I >think there is a way of inserting (say) 1, 2, 2a, 2b, 2c, 3, 4, 5. Do you >see what I mean. See pages 69 and 70 in the manual on CD. What you do is give the paragraphs one level value and the sub paras a higher one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 24 21:31:41 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161015 for opro ; Thu, 24 Jan 102 21:31:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011895854:20:28063:66; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:10:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028019; 24 Jan 2002 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0OIAT105233 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:10:29 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OIAQW05230 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:10:26 GMT Received: from modem-117.alaska.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.53.117] helo=localhost) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16ToHu-0004Yb-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:07:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:00:25 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Tile printing problem Message-ID: <90fef6fd4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g0OIAQW05231 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g0OIAT205233 Status: R Dear colleagues, I am trying to print a heading to fit across the top of a display frame.=20 The width of this frame is 630mm, i.e. 3 =D7 210mm, the width of A4 paper. I have opened a new document with the margins set X =3D 10mm, Y =3D 10mm, Width =3D 610, Height =3D 277, hoping to print the design out on 3 portrait sheets=20 of A4. I have designed the print content for the frame, including a logo, and mo st of the first 2 lines of print are in After Johnston Bold Italic, in 144pt size. I am a bit puzzled by the behaviour of the screen. While moving t he caret around during editing, I often find that 2 or 3 odd letters at the=20 end of a line have disappeared from the screen! I don't understand why. I have now taken several prints, using the Tile 4 =D7 2 format. I do rea lise that this is apparently intended to print the text over EIGHT sheets of paper, and that by default the text will be centred. For my text only 3 sheets should be necessary I believe. My next move was the click the Print Options box and look at the advanced options, after re-reading the manual from p.170 onwards. I have left Sca le and Aspect at 100, and set X and Y to 0mm. The result is pretty good. Two queries: A portion of the logo (at top ri ght of the frame) has printed out on the left edge of tile no.4 (counting fro m the left) and I am wondering whether I should have ticked Bleed. The other query is more mystifying: in 2 instances an italic lower-case letter has (inevitably) been divided between two tiles, but in each case=20 on 1 sheet it has printed out and on the other the part-letter is missing! I'd be grateful for any comments. Perhaps i should reach for the Indian=20 ink and fill in the gaps... On the whole I'm very impressed with the result. Yours sincerely, Robin. --=20 Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 25 01:24:38 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161032 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jan 102 01:24:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011911286:10:25728:87; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:28:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110283; 24 Jan 2002 22:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0OMTt905843 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:29:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMTrW05840 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:29:53 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16TsKw-000IuW-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:27:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:19:28 GMT Message-Id: <161024@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tile printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >size. I am a bit puzzled by the behaviour of the screen. While moving the >caret around during editing, I often find that 2 or 3 odd letters at the >end of a line have disappeared from the screen! I don't understand why. I wonder if you're talking about a 'redraw error' - try wiping a window over the problem text and see if it reappears. Such problems can be due to bugs in OP, or they may be due to oddities in the font. >I have now taken several prints, using the Tile 4 x 2 format. >I do realise that this is apparently intended to print the text over EIGHT sheets of >paper, and that by default the text will be centred. For my text only 3 >sheets should be necessary I believe. Well the print format works out how many tiles are necessary. Reduce the scale and the numbers decrease. It always seems more tiles than one would like are needed - due to printer margins and so on I expect. >The result is pretty good. Two queries: A portion of the logo (at top right >of the frame) has printed out on the left edge of tile no.4 (counting from >the left) and I am wondering whether I should have ticked Bleed. Bleed should not affect Tiling. Why is the above a query? >The other query is more mystifying: in 2 instances an italic lower-case >letter has (inevitably) been divided between two tiles, but in each case on 1 >sheet it has printed out and on the other the part-letter is missing! Hmm there's a long running saga of 'tiles don't match up'. Off hand I don't recall what the conclusion is. I have a dim recollection that Nick Kaijaks did an improved Tile print format, and that things do work properly if you get the print options like centre set the right way. Launching a file finder on the collected mail list archives searching for tiling would seem a good idea. And indeed there is a Tile print format in the Kaijaks directory on the CD... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 25 01:24:39 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161031 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jan 102 01:24:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011912374:20:24346:98; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:46:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025809; 24 Jan 2002 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0OMmVb05966 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:48:31 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0OMmTW05963 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:48:29 GMT Received: (qmail 15134 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 22:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.112) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 22:45:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:06:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Tile printing problem To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <90fef6fd4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g0OMmTW05964 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g0OMmVc05966 In on Thu 24 Jan, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, >=20 > I am trying to print a heading to fit across the top of a display frame= ..=20 > The width of this frame is 630mm, i.e. 3 =D7 210mm, the width of A4 pap= er. What is the height of the frame? within 210mm? If so I'd plan to print ov= er 3 landscape sheets with plenty of overlap. > I have opened a new document with the margins set X =3D 10mm, Y =3D 10m= m, > Width =3D 610, Height =3D 277, hoping to print the design out on 3 port= rait > sheets of A4. Don't forget that each sheet has a non-printable margin each side. > I have designed the print content for the frame, including a logo, and = most > of the first 2 lines of print are in After Johnston Bold Italic, in 144= pt > size. I am a bit puzzled by the behaviour of the screen. While moving= t > he caret around during editing, I often find that 2 or 3 odd letters at= the > end of a line have disappeared from the screen! I don't understand why. When I get strange screen effects like this a quick toggle of Invisibles = on then off again (or the opposite way round if you prefer) using Ctrl-I (or= is it Shift-Ctrl-I - one is italic on/off the other is display invisibles). > I have now taken several prints, using the Tile 4 =D7 2 format. I do r= ealise > that this is apparently intended to print the text over EIGHT sheets of > paper, and that by default the text will be centred. For my text only = 3 > sheets should be necessary I believe. I think the print setup is Landscape for this, but you really want portra= it. > My next move was the click the Print Options box and look at the advanc= ed > options, after re-reading the manual from p.170 onwards. I have left S= cale > and Aspect at 100, and set X and Y to 0mm. >=20 > The result is pretty good. Two queries: A portion of the logo (at top > right of the frame) has printed out on the left edge of tile no.4 (coun= ting > from the left) and I am wondering whether I should have ticked Bleed. The tiling is allowing for overlap because of the non-printable space at = each side of each sheet. > The other query is more mystifying: in 2 instances an italic lower-case > letter has (inevitably) been divided between two tiles, but in each cas= e=20 > on 1 sheet it has printed out and on the other the part-letter is missi= ng! This is the planned overlap comming in to play. > I'd be grateful for any comments. Perhaps i should reach for the India= n=20 > ink and fill in the gaps... Be careful - copier (and most laser-printer) paper is quite porous and yo= u could end up with some very fuzzy, feathery bits between the sharp printe= d bits! > On the whole I'm very impressed with the result. Just a few tweaks to get it perfect? You're not standing yet, but it is a= n Ovation? :-) Anthony Hilton --=20 ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 25 13:58:19 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161042 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jan 102 13:58:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1011952423:20:13113:101; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:53:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011755; 25 Jan 2002 9:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0P9rdC07291 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:53:39 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P9raW07288 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:53:36 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0P9olo09796 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:50:47 GMT Received: from trevor ([137.205.186.55]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0P9ol910577 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:50:47 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Tile printing problem Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:48:03 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <161024@pilling.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>I am wondering whether I should have ticked Bleed. > > Bleed should not affect Tiling. Why is the above a query? > > Hmm there's a long running saga of 'tiles don't match up'. Off > hand I don't > recall what the conclusion is. I have a dim recollection that Nick Kaijaks > did an improved Tile print format, and that things do work properly > if you get the print options like centre set the right way. > > And indeed there is a Tile print format in the Kaijaks directory > on the CD... It's been a few years but as I recall, the default tile script doesn't give any overlap between tiles, so you have to cut exactly to the crop marks. I seem to remember there's also a problem if you scale to other than 100%. The edited script I did gave a bit of overlap - you could legitimately call it bleed, but it's not the same as the "Bleed" tickbox in the OPro print dialogue, which could well be a source of confusion. Cheers, Nick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 29 19:41:31 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161127 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jan 102 19:41:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012330920:20:04158:95; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:02:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100376; 29 Jan 2002 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0THHnG19111 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:17:49 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0THHkW19108 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:17:46 GMT Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Vbpd-0002B8-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:14:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:12:04 GMT From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.64 (16 Oct 01) Subject: OPro - suddenly a problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Having used versions 2.60 to 2.66 for many months without any crashes now all of a sudden I've had three crashes in the last two weeks that took the whole machine down. The only changes I have made in the last month are to move to using the PostScript Printer Driver, upgraded to Printers 1.62a from 1.62, and to alter and resize my FontDirPro 3.03 FontFS partition. It was after altering FontFS I got the crash, I assumed a corrupted FontFS partition caused this, as OPro could not redraw the window when I changed from Homerton to a new font and then froze the machine. So I stopped using FontFS and created two new !Font folders, just in case, someone said that FDPro uses D Format for it's partition which RO4 does not support ? The second two crashes were after returning from a successful print job. This has never happened to me before with the PCL Driver, with no PS driver loaded ? Has anyone encountered similar problems ? I don't mind a crash now and again, as long as the program exits tidily and gives me an error report, but this is a total freeze, no mouse or keyboard reaction at all so it's a complete Reset. And that's a problem 8-\ For some unknown reason my machine fails to reboot, the HD map in memory gets corrupted half way through the Boot sequence, after using the Reset, but it works ok with Ctrl+Break. It's something to do with PreDesk, as that's where it hangs and fails with Disc Error 21, either the CD response, the CD drivers or ROM patch I suspect. cheers -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 30 16:12:01 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161153 for opro ; Wed, 30 Jan 102 16:11:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012346704:10:10439:147; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:25:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108204; 29 Jan 2002 23:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0TNRws20013 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:27:58 GMT Received: from smtp07.wxs.nl (smtp07.wxs.nl [195.121.6.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RLm7W13958 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:48:07 GMT Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.192.139]) by smtp07.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQM9QF01.VW0 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:44:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:42:31 GMT From: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: colour correction Message-ID: <29549cff4a.tenu@uitleg.nl> X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, I wonder why the colour correction table is program-related and not document-related. Sometimes we need use the correction- table (typeset, full-colour output) and sometimes we don't use correction (seperated output, based on cymk). So we switch, with the possibility of making (expensive) mistakes. We overwrite our documents which we publish, so that's why I feel colour correction should be document-related. Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 30 16:12:04 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161154 for opro ; Wed, 30 Jan 102 16:12:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012346704:10:11918:84; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:25:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108225; 29 Jan 2002 23:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0TNRvW20011 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:27:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TNRsW20005 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:27:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Vhbl-000Nqb-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:24:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:19:44 GMT Message-Id: <161138@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro - suddenly a problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Having used versions 2.60 to 2.66 for many months without >any crashes now all of a sudden I've had three crashes in >the last two weeks that took the whole machine down. >From the OP point of view, the worries are a corrupt document that you keep editing and basing other documents on. Or some sort of operation which you've started to use and which is bugged. Or (similar) that a document has changed in a way that is triggering a bug - like it has got bigger. Or the program has been made unstable by some change adding an applet etc. But the other stuff, FontFS, printer drivers, hardware do provide plenty of scope for trouble. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 31 13:33:30 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161186 for opro ; Thu, 31 Jan 102 13:33:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012475721:10:08104:157; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:15:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009112; 31 Jan 2002 11:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0VAwIu27962 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:58:18 GMT Received: from fisher.vip.uk.com (fisher.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VAwDW27959 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:58:13 GMT Received: from modem-95-53-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.53.95] helo=localhost) by fisher.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16WEqz-0006jM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:54:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:49:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: html to OvationP? Message-ID: <4b016a5e9crod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <29549cff4a.tenu@uitleg.nl> References: <29549cff4a.tenu@uitleg.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have tried searching to see if this has been covered before but no luck! I hope that this question is relevant to the list. -------------------------- I find I often need to take an HTML page and want to print it from OvationP. I can do it, of course, by saving text and then laboriously reformatting the text and adding a few styles etc. But even on a one page result this is tedious and I always seem to miss something! The other approach is to use !HTML>Imp or !UnHTML to produce a DDF file and then load it into OvP using a filter. This often works but is rather clumsy. Is there a more direct method? Question betraying yet more ignorance: When I do it by these latter methods I end up with a very long list of styles only two or three of which are actually used in the document- though one does not know which, except by trial and error. Is there a way round this? -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 31 16:38:36 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161195 for opro ; Thu, 31 Jan 102 16:38:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012485562:10:26938:1688; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:59:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010987; 31 Jan 2002 13:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0VDuli00295 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:56:47 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VDuiR00292 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:56:44 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16WHdn-000J1x-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:52:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:51:59 GMT Message-Id: <161193@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: html to OvationP? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro For HTML import, look at the TransHTML filter in the Levens directory on the CD. I would guess most html converters generate a set of styles to match the styles available in html and thats a standard set regardless of if the styles are actually used. If you selected the text and copied to another document then only the styles actually used would be copied... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 31 16:38:55 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161198 for opro ; Thu, 31 Jan 102 16:38:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012493588:10:13151:69; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:13:08 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.88]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1013479; 31 Jan 2002 16:13 GMT Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16WJoT-00017R-0U for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:11:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:14:39 GMT From: Jon Keates To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: OPro - suddenly a problem Message-ID: <7f2988014b.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> References: <161138@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161138@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Just as it comes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: StrongEd 4.64 (16 Oct 01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <161138@pilling.demon.co.uk> someone know as David Pilling wrote : > > > >Having used versions 2.60 to 2.66 for many months without > >any crashes now all of a sudden I've had three crashes in > >the last two weeks that took the whole machine down. > > From the OP point of view, the worries are a corrupt document > that you keep editing and basing other documents on. > > Or some sort of operation which you've started to use > and which is bugged. > > Or (similar) that a document has changed in a way that is > triggering a bug - like it has got bigger. > The first was my very simple Default doc, the others were from a letter template I've used for ages with no problems. Both times I had already printed a few pages without any problems before the freeze and it's only Opro so far that has caused this to happen, Draw, AW, EasiWriter haven't. > Or the program has been made unstable by some change adding > an applet etc. > no changes for months > > But the other stuff, FontFS, printer drivers, hardware do provide > plenty of scope for trouble. > the only thing I forgot to mention was I now have the EFF Publisher fonts installed, so the PS driver DLs them rather than converts them. I'll Printers 1.53 for awhile just to see cheers -- Jon From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 31 22:25:09 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161213 for opro ; Thu, 31 Jan 102 22:25:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012505270:10:26078:84; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:27:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128898; 31 Jan 2002 19:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0VJUtC01310 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:30:55 GMT Received: from fisher.vip.uk.com (fisher.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VJUrR01307 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:30:53 GMT Received: from modem-41-46-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.46.41] helo=localhost) by fisher.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16WMr4-0003zZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:26:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:13:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: html to OvationP? Message-ID: <4b01987e68rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <161193@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <161193@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <161193@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > For HTML import, look at the TransHTML filter in the > Levens directory on the CD. How stupid I am! I thought I had gone through ever file on the CD. I think I was beguiled by the HTML Pro in the same directory and never saw the TransHTML. Having found it, I can't get it to work, though. It refuses to load any one of 20 different HTML files I have tried. Am I doing something wrong? I have loaded this filter to where I keep the other filters and clicked on it before trying to either drag an HTML file onto the OvPro icon or into an OvPro window. Neither does anything except produce various different error messages usually 'file cannot be converted'. I would guess I must be doing something wrong - I didn't check all the 20 HTML files with HTML>Imp or UnHTML but I tried some and they worked. I wonder if anyone might be able to point me in the right direction. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 31 22:25:12 2002 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161214 for opro ; Thu, 31 Jan 102 22:25:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012506611:10:02535:75; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:50:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002379; 31 Jan 2002 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0VJrEj01430 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:53:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VJrCR01427 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:53:12 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16WNCi-0000P0-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:49:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:39:56 GMT From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: html to OvationP? Message-ID: <0ef59a014b.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <161193@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4b01987e68rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b01987e68rod@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g0VJrCR01428 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id g0VJrEk01430 On 31 Jan 2002, in message <4b01987e68rod@argonet.co.uk>, rod=A0a wrote: > In article <161193@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > For HTML import, look at the TransHTML filter in the=20 > > Levens directory on the CD. >=20 > How stupid I am! I thought I had gone through ever file on the > CD. I think I was beguiled by the HTML Pro in the same > directory and never saw the TransHTML. >=20 > Having found it, I can't get it to work, though. It refuses to > load any one of 20 different HTML files I have tried. >=20 > Am I doing something wrong? I have loaded this filter to where > I keep the other filters and clicked on it before trying to > either drag an HTML file onto the OvPro icon or into an > OvPro window. Neither does anything except produce various > different error messages usually 'file cannot be converted'. >=20 > I would guess I must be doing something wrong - I didn't check > all the 20 HTML files with HTML>Imp or UnHTML but I tried some > and they worked. I wonder if anyone might be able to point me > in the right direction. > Maybe it's something you're doing, but in my experience, you need to trea= t anything from Levens with a large pinch of salt. I know for certain that HTMLPro is unreliable. --=20 Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 1 01:50:00 2002 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA161226 for opro ; Fri, 01 Feb 102 01:49:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1012520933:20:05070:68; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:48:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125876; 31 Jan 2002 23:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0VNq1301935 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:52:01 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VNpxR01931 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:51:59 GMT Received: from modem-189.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.224.189] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16WQvl-0005mU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:47:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:46:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Error from Arcfax... Message-ID: <4b01b190bfrayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I just tried installing the !TransHTML converter from the OP CD but when I drag an HTML file to an OP window I get an error message from ArcFax 'File could not be converted'. ArcFax isn't actually running, but is in my Apps folder and gets booted. !TransHTML is in Boot:Resources. Any idea what the problem could be and why Arcfax seems interested in an HTML file? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message