From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 1 13:46:50 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158777 for opro ; Sat, 01 Dec 101 13:46:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007198997:10:06988:59; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:29:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005894; 1 Dec 2001 9:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB19Xek03754 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:33:40 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB19XaW03751 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:33:37 GMT Received: from [62.188.135.12] (helo=62.188.135.12) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16A6H2-0000jl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:17:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:19:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <4ae1f8238frobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ed Donnelly wrote: > I had a nasty experience today. While writing an essay I accidentally > deleted a full chapter. On my way to the undo button OvationPro > autosaved, which meant that I couldn't undo the action. This was > potentially disastrous (fortunately I managed to extract the lost text > by loading the OvationPro file into StrongEd and doing a bit of cutting > and pasting). Is there any way to work round this? The ideal would be if the autosave changed the name of the file each time it saved (e.g. incremented a number at the end of the filename) although this could result in a very large number of copies! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 1 16:30:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158790 for opro ; Sat, 01 Dec 101 16:30:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007217694:20:25739:61; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:41:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025398; 1 Dec 2001 14:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB1EjK404257 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:45:20 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB1EjHW04254 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:45:17 GMT Received: from modem-648.ballistic.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.138.136] helo=oldie) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16ABJP-0007tZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:40:15 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c17a75$eeec2420$daccfea9@oldie> From: "David Woodman" To: References: <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: OP Port to windows Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:38:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fB1EjK504257 Status: R How is this progressing David? Since I made the change to "wintel" five years ago I have been longing fo= r OP on the PC. My Archimedes 310 with IFEL 4 meg upgrade stood me in good stead but now = is sadly lacking in its ability to handle large images. (interestingly, I remember buying the upgrade for around =A3400. A coup= le of days ago I bought 512M of DDR ram for =A359 - at the old prices it would = have worked out around =A351,000). Despite this spiralling down of tech costs I cannot afford to support two platforms (financially or space-wise). Your mention (in October) of a Windows port has raised my hopes. I'm eager to buy a copy. Any indication when this might be possible and what sort of price you'll charge ? David Woodman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 1 16:30:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158791 for opro ; Sat, 01 Dec 101 16:30:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007214255:10:21816:59; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:44:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127547; 1 Dec 2001 13:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB1DmSC04122 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:48:28 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB1DmQW04119 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:48:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16AAQN-000BQb-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:43:23 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 03:23:07 GMT Message-Id: <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just a couple of things X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I had a nasty experience today. While writing an essay I accidentally >deleted a full chapter. On my way to the undo button OvationPro >autosaved, which meant that I couldn't undo the action. This was >potentially disastrous (fortunately I managed to extract the lost text >by loading the OvationPro file into StrongEd and doing a bit of cutting >and pasting). Is there any way to work round this? Well set up OPro to save the undo buffer with documents (OPro choices). However the fact that what you thought you'd lost survived in the file tends to indicate you've got it set that way anyway. >BTW, I did my BA dissertation using OvationPro. Without fail all the >examiners commented on how well it was produced Thanks. I notice the latest Acorn User carries an advert for a book (not computing related) which describes the Acorn kit used to produce it. Naturally I'd not be telling you this if OP was not involved. People have kindly sent me a number of books produced using OP, which is very encouraging for me. Just the sort of thing to have on a stand at a show. The latest AU also contains my advert - less the graduated fills. Clearly an extra error message needed there... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 1 16:30:11 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158792 for opro ; Sat, 01 Dec 101 16:30:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007218485:20:24756:61; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:54:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113647; 1 Dec 2001 14:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB1ExQp04425 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:59:26 GMT Received: from rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (rly-ip02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB1ExNW04422 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:59:23 GMT Received: from logs-wq.proxy.aol.com (logs-wq.proxy.aol.com [205.188.200.132]) by rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id JAA18902 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave (AC841B39.ipt.aol.com [172.132.27.57]) by logs-wq.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fB1EiXC339153 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:44:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <040a01c17a76$e50c4240$391b84ac@dave> From: "Dave" To: References: Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:43:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Apparently-From: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I suggested a long time ago that OP should have an auto save whereby the user could select the number of versions it saved before rolling around on itself and deleting stuff. This should be separate from the main file that gets updated when you actually save. However, David thought that most users were too stupid to understand it. I suggest not using autosave. Trust your memory. After a bit of practice, it'll be second nature. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Donnelly" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 12:42 AM Subject: Just a couple of things > I had a nasty experience today. While writing an essay I accidentally > deleted a full chapter. On my way to the undo button OvationPro > autosaved, which meant that I couldn't undo the action. This was > potentially disastrous (fortunately I managed to extract the lost text > by loading the OvationPro file into StrongEd and doing a bit of cutting > and pasting). Is there any way to work round this? > > Second thing is tiny really: I notice that the file info window (v. > 2.66) gives story information and total pages/chapters on the right, and > total size/words and page and chapter number on the left. I just thought > it'd be a bit more consistent to give the current page and chapter > number on the right, to tie in with current story info :) > > TTFN, Ed > > BTW, I did my BA dissertation using OvationPro. Without fail all the > examiners commented on how well it was produced (their comments on the > content on the other hand...), and I know I'm not too skilful in using > it: thanks to David for writing such a fantastic DTP package that it can > make up for all my shortfalls ;) > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 1 16:30:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158797 for opro ; Sat, 01 Dec 101 16:30:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007218020:10:05558:59; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:47:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005469; 1 Dec 2001 14:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB1EpXq04296 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:51:33 GMT Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB1EpUW04293 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:51:31 GMT Received: from host213-123-29-145.btinternet.com ([213.123.29.145] helo=btinternet.com) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16ABPQ-00038e-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:46:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:45:43 GMT From: Ed Donnelly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <0f0716e24a.eddonnelly@freeuk.com> References: <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: You must be joking User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Low, in message <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) did write: > > I had a nasty experience today. While writing an essay I accidentally > > deleted a full chapter. On my way to the undo button OvationPro > > autosaved, which meant that I couldn't undo the action. This was > > potentially disastrous (fortunately I managed to extract the lost text > > by loading the OvationPro file into StrongEd and doing a bit of > > cutting and pasting). Is there any way to work round this? > > Well set up OPro to save the undo buffer with documents (OPro choices). > However the fact that what you thought you'd lost survived in the file > tends to indicate you've got it set that way anyway. Curious. I didn't know about this option, and when I checked it just now it was set to off. I've set it on now anyway, thanks for pointer. TTFN, Ed -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 1 16:30:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158796 for opro ; Sat, 01 Dec 101 16:30:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007222913:20:23627:59; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:08:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119794; 1 Dec 2001 16:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB1GD2504612 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:13:02 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB1GCxW04609 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:12:59 GMT Received: from [62.188.143.252] (helo=62.188.143.252) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ACVd-00030x-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:56:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:37:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Active date Message-ID: <4ae21ac437pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R A document I use regularly (a letter for for mail-merging) has the date entered as a right-justified active date, in the form 1 December, 2001. Often the screen display shows this as going over the right print margin, but it usually prints correctly formatted. Today I lost the last two figures of the date when printing. Is this a bug? Or can I prevent it happening easily? TIA, Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:53:20 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158817 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:53:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007226836:20:00873:61; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:13:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117450; 1 Dec 2001 17:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB1HIWh04812 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:18:32 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB1HITW04809 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:18:29 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16ADhe-000GK9-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:13:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:50:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <4ae21bfa6dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae1f8238frobh@argonet.co.uk> References: <4ae1f8238frobh@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ae1f8238frobh@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Hemmings wrote: > The ideal would be if the autosave changed the name of the file each > time it saved (e.g. incremented a number at the end of the filename) > although this could result in a very large number of copies! Some time ago I suggested: In my view the autosave confirm/cancel should *not* accept CR and continue; I know this would be against style standards but I'd prefer autosave (perhaps configurably) to require the user to click on something or fill in a Y and hit OK, or anything really that is much less likely to happen by accident. As far as incrementing filenames are concerned, the discussion of all this back in March (I think) yielded several suggestions: an OP applet: http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/incsave.zip Or, using extensions to Risc OS itself: - !SmartSave written by Alan Wrigley, copyright RISC User 1993 - !backupNrs written by Briag, stated to be "Rhubarbware". - a program called LayerFS from http://www.flying-snail.de/ -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:53:29 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158819 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:53:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007227530:20:25237:59; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:25:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025166; 1 Dec 2001 17:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB1GnBt04744 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:49:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB1Gn6W04739 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:49:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16ADFD-000D7t-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:44:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:45:47 GMT Message-Id: <158813@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Active date X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A document I use regularly (a letter for for mail-merging) has the date >entered as a right-justified active date, in the form 1 December, 2001. >Often the screen display shows this as going over the right print margin, >but it usually prints correctly formatted. Today I lost the last two >figures of the date when printing. Is this a bug? Or can I prevent it >happening easily? A bug. Force a reflow... work arounds, save the template as DDL or StyleSheet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:53:31 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158820 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:53:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007227890:20:06725:60; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:31:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006705; 1 Dec 2001 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB1Gn8Q04742 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:49:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB1Gn4W04731 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:49:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16ADFA-000D7t-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:44:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:37:58 GMT Message-Id: <158806@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP Port to windows X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Your mention (in October) of a Windows port has raised my hopes. >Any indication when this might be possible and what sort of price you'll >charge ? Well it will come to pass. I've not started it yet. As it happens instead of getting on with it, I've ported some smaller programs over the last couple of weeks. I would guess that getting something useable is likely to take some time. Spring is a likely time for you to see something. I imagine I will set off by making Win copies freely available to users of the Acorn version. I'm not inclined to charge much for the final Win version for users of the RISC OS one. Sad reality is that a Win version is unlikely to cost as much as the RISC OS version full stop, because the likely number of users is so much larger. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:53:51 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158825 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:53:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007239333:20:29506:68; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:42:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029454; 1 Dec 2001 20:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB1KkKo05340 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:46:21 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB1KkIW05337 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:46:18 GMT Received: from modem-1277.arbok.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.20.253] helo=jwells24.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16AGwY-0005vJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:41:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:51:35 GMT From: Malcolm Wells To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <160832e24a.Malcolm@freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > I had a nasty experience today. While writing an essay I accidentally > deleted a full chapter. On my way to the undo button OvationPro > autosaved, which meant that I couldn't undo the action. This was > potentially disastrous (fortunately I managed to extract the lost text > by loading the OvationPro file into StrongEd and doing a bit of cutting > and pasting). Is there any way to work round this? Yes. When you set autosave set Give Warnings. > > Second thing is tiny really: I notice that the file info window (v. > 2.66) gives story information and total pages/chapters on the right, and > total size/words and page and chapter number on the left. I just thought > it'd be a bit more consistent to give the current page and chapter > number on the right, to tie in with current story info :) > > TTFN, Ed > > BTW, I did my BA dissertation using OvationPro. Without fail all the > examiners commented on how well it was produced (their comments on the > content on the other hand...), and I know I'm not too skilful in using > it: thanks to David for writing such a fantastic DTP package that it can > make up for all my shortfalls ;) > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Malc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:54:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158838 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:54:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007296922:20:28871:59; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:42:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028816; 2 Dec 2001 12:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2Cl3B06593 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:47:03 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2Cl0W06590 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:47:00 GMT Received: from modem-550.barrelled.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.142.38] helo=oldie) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16AVwI-0005DD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:41:47 +0000 Message-ID: <006101c17b2e$8c448f60$daccfea9@oldie> From: "David Woodman" To: References: <158806@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: OP lists - virus? Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:40:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I received an email from a David Lee with subject "OP port to windows" (a thread I started on this list). It contained an attachment "YOU_ARE_FAT!.mp3.scr". I presumed it was a worm and tried to email him back to check. The email was undeliverable. David Woodman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:54:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158839 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:54:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007299520:20:05342:59; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 13:25:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120930; 2 Dec 2001 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2DU2d06775 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:30:02 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2DU0W06772 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:30:00 GMT Received: from modem-2341.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.73.37] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16AWbu-0004L2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 13:24:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 13:12:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? Message-ID: <4ae2914ef9rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <006101c17b2e$8c448f60$daccfea9@oldie> References: <158806@pilling.demon.co.uk> <006101c17b2e$8c448f60$daccfea9@oldie> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <006101c17b2e$8c448f60$daccfea9@oldie>, David Woodman wrote: > I received an email from a David Lee with subject "OP port to windows" > (a thread I started on this list). I got one from him with the Active Date subject line. > It contained an attachment "YOU_ARE_FAT!.mp3.scr". Mine was FUN.MP3.pif > I presumed it was a worm and tried to email him back to check. > The email was undeliverable. Because his email address has an underscore character added to the front. Try resending after removing it. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:54:57 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158840 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:54:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007303766:20:01543:59; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:36:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110262; 2 Dec 2001 14:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2EepY07023 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:40:51 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2EemW07020 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:40:48 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([62.255.159.29]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20011202143533.YYYB2135.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:35:33 +0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:36:43 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP Port to windows Message-ID: <3c0a99e24a.pbready@ntlworld.com> References: <158806@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158806@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fB2EemW07021 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fB2EepZ07023 In message <158806@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >=20 > > Your mention (in October) of a Windows port has raised my hopes. Any > > indication when this might be possible and what sort of price you'll > > charge ? >=20 > Well it will come to pass. I've not started it yet. As it happens inste= ad > of getting on with it, I've ported some smaller programs over the last > couple of weeks. >=20 > I would guess that getting something useable is likely to take some tim= e. > Spring is a likely time for you to see something. >=20 > I imagine I will set off by making Win copies freely available to users= of > the Acorn version. I'm not inclined to charge much for the final Win > version for users of the RISC OS one. >=20 > Sad reality is that a Win version is unlikely to cost as much as the RI= SC > OS version full stop, because the likely number of users is so much lar= ger. >=20 >=20 >=20 > David Pilling >=20 This would be extremely useful -I tire of trying to find something as ea= sy to use and as flexible as OvPro when I have to resort to Windows. I have = only just received a copy of Serif's PagePlus 8 (at =A39.95 it's worth at leas= t a try!), and while it's gots loads of bells and whistles (which arguably yo= u'd seldom use), it appears that you have to manually add pages rather than t= ext flowing from one to another. OK, I've only just installed it, and maybe t= here is a way round this, but I prefer to be able to use software straight awa= y and then use more advanced facilities as I need them. I also loaded a 33k text document into a PagePlus file, and the machine (a 800MHz 128Mb RAM P= C) froze when I keyed in some text near the start of the file as it repagina= ted in the background. OvPro on the PC would be a godsend! --=20 Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:55:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158842 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:55:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007306665:20:18186:67; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:24:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018008; 2 Dec 2001 15:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2FT6d07177 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:29:06 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2FT4W07174 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:29:04 GMT Received: from [62.188.150.160] (helo=62.188.150.160) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AYIR-0003sG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:12:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:55:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP Port to windows Message-ID: <4ae28fbd50davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158806@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <158806@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <158806@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Well it will come to pass. I've not started it yet. As it happens > instead of getting on with it, I've ported some smaller programs over > the last couple of weeks. > I would guess that getting something useable is likely to take some > time. Spring is a likely time for you to see something. > I imagine I will set off by making Win copies freely available to users > of the Acorn version. I'm not inclined to charge much for the final Win > version for users of the RISC OS one. > Sad reality is that a Win version is unlikely to cost as much as the > RISC OS version full stop, because the likely number of users is so much > larger. Would both versions have a common cod ebase so developments in one version could benefit the other? David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:55:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158843 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:55:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007306859:20:23323:59; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:27:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023280; 2 Dec 2001 15:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2FWiZ07220 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:32:44 GMT Received: from c2bapps6.btconnect.com ([193.113.209.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB2FWfW07217 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:32:41 GMT Received: from paulhedge (actually host host213-122-119-186.btinternet.com) by c2bapps6 with SMTP (XT-PP); Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:2 Message-ID: <000201c17b46$82594460$ba777ad5@paulhedge> From: "Paul" To: References: <158813@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Printers & Drivers Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:28:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many years. How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? Any suggestions about printers or drivers greatly received. I use a printer mainly for OvPro (I write stageplays). I have a switching gear, link to a PC, for printing information from the web. That's it really. Cheers, Paul -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:55:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158847 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:55:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007312345:20:29542:60; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 16:59:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029424; 2 Dec 2001 16:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2H3sQ07460 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:03:54 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2H3pW07457 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:03:51 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16AZwj-000CrA-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:58:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:58:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <000201c17b46$82594460$ba777ad5@paulhedge> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 02 Dec, Paul wrote: > Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many > years. How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? > Any suggestions about printers or drivers greatly received. If I may piggy-back my question on this one, I have used a Hewlett Packard LaserJet 1100 from Clare's for some time now with great satisfaction - until it started feeding many pages through at a time, which my local repairer has been unable to fix. Is this a common experience? Should I buy another one or switch to a different laser printer? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:55:27 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158852 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:55:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007319421:20:28809:65; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 18:57:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121585; 2 Dec 2001 18:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2J1ox07768 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:01:50 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2J1lW07765 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:01:47 GMT Received: from [62.188.142.56] (helo=62.188.142.56) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AbcD-0002NO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 18:45:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:11:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Active date Message-ID: <4ae28bbdbdpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158813@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <158813@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <158813@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >A document I use regularly (a letter for for mail-merging) has the date > >entered as a right-justified active date, in the form 1 December, 2001. > >Often the screen display shows this as going over the right print > >margin, but it usually prints correctly formatted. Today I lost the > >last two figures of the date when printing. Is this a bug? Or can I > >prevent it happening easily? > A bug. Force a reflow... work arounds, save the template as DDL or > StyleSheet. Thanks, David. Stylesheet doesn't work, as it's a form letter, and of course the text gets lost. DDL works fine, except the original document was set to view at 50%, and the DDL produces full-size; no matter, however. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:55:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158855 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:55:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007323193:20:23177:59; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:59:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109975; 2 Dec 2001 19:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2K4jU08197 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:04:45 GMT Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2K4fW08190 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:04:41 GMT Received: from onetel.net.uk (async44-13.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.109.44]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABX25487; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:59:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:26:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mail merging - losing records Message-ID: <4ae298180cbarry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae284acd8chris.dawson@aaug.net> References: <9CF2FB08B97A5645A22A05B4A106DBEE1229BB@caebe002.NOE.Nokia.com> <4ae284acd8chris.dawson@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ae284acd8chris.dawson@aaug.net>, Chris Dawson. wrote: > Hi, > Wondered if anyone could suggest why I'm losing a number of records > from a mail merge run. (The labels for each 19th person are not being > printed) > * I have 18 labels on a page * using a CSV file as the data source * > I'm losing every 19th record, the first on each page after page one, > but the next record (the 20th) is shifting up to take its place. > Checked the data and can't see anything different with each 19th > record. > Could any suggest a solution please? I had a similar sort of problem. I removed the {nextrecord} tag from the last label on the page and then it was OK. -- Barry A. Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:55:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158857 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:55:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007325025:20:20246:59; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:30:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117361; 2 Dec 2001 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2KZ8U08308 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:35:08 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2KZ6W08305 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:35:06 GMT Received: from [62.188.132.8] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ad4Y-0005oP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:18:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:55:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <4ae2a0369asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk> References: <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk>, wrote: > But you appear at shows even less often than me, don't > you? :-) That's possible? Until Wakefield I thought you were a fictional character ;-) -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:55:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158859 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:55:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007334240:20:29312:59; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 23:04:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029231; 2 Dec 2001 23:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2N8LP08588 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:08:21 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2N8JW08585 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:08:19 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16AfdT-0006gM-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:03:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:29:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: What DDL doesn't support... Message-ID: <4ae2c459e8Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there a definitive list of those featires of a document that will be lost if it is saved as DDL rather than in OP's native file format? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:55:55 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158863 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:55:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007336263:20:01896:61; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 23:37:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001760; 2 Dec 2001 23:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2Ng8P08728 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:42:08 GMT Received: from eos.telenet-ops.be (eos.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2Ng6W08725 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:42:06 GMT Received: from riscpc.be (D5763C52.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.60.82]) by eos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 330D920263 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:36:42 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 00:36:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers Message-ID: <4ae2ca78bdjdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: References: <158813@pilling.demon.co.uk> <000201c17b46$82594460$ba777ad5@paulhedge> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro D C Jones wrote: > Sorry if this is off-topic, but it does raise something I've been > wanting to find out for some time and not really known where to > find it from. I was bought a HP DeskJet 690C two years ago and, > although I'd love to run it on a real computer (my RISC PC 600, > StrongArm, RISC 3.7) I have had to attach it to the Windoze machine > I keep in the back room for work purposes. Does anyone know where I > can get a driver for this from? Have a look at the bottom of this page: http://support.riscos.com/Support/Releases/Printers/ Jan. -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:56:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158866 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:56:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007339397:20:07504:59; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 00:29:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007221; 3 Dec 2001 0:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB30YiC08855 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:34:44 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB30YfW08852 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:34:41 GMT Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([158.152.190.83] helo=riscpc) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Agz2-000MxY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:29:21 +0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:44:04 GMT From: Chris Hughes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? Message-ID: <5fb699e24a.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <158806@pilling.demon.co.uk> <006101c17b2e$8c448f60$daccfea9@oldie> In-Reply-To: <006101c17b2e$8c448f60$daccfea9@oldie> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message David Woodman you wrote: > I received an email from a David Lee with subject "OP port to windows" (a > thread I started on this list). > > It contained an attachment "YOU_ARE_FAT!.mp3.scr". > Its the new virus W32.BADTRANS2 and you do not even have to open the attachment for it to go active, by now (since you are using a PC emailer, it will be scanning your address book and sending out further copies, plus it apparently leaves a nice little program running in the background recording everything you type and the next time you go on line it sends that information out to somewhere. Ensure you have updated anti-virus software with the latest updates from the past week and do a full scan of your PC. -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:56:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158868 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:56:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007366433:20:13364:63; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:00:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013326; 3 Dec 2001 8:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB385YJ09386 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:05:34 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB385UW09383 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:05:30 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p59.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.189]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fB37xpt15417 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:59:52 +1300 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:11:44 +1300 (BST) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4ae2941f3aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 03 Dec, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > In article <006101c17b2e$8c448f60$daccfea9@oldie>, > David Woodman wrote: > > I received an email from a David Lee with subject "OP port to windows" > > (a thread I started on this list). I recieved one on the 'Amstrad to PC thread It was from 'Toon Gordebeke' and was blank with a blank html page and the attchment MP3.pif in the waveform filetype I sent a reply to enquire about it, it didn't bounce but I haven't back either ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - HEAT TREATED ICE -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:56:14 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158870 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:56:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007369699:20:01464:76; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:54:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001268; 3 Dec 2001 8:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB38xkj09535 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:59:46 GMT Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB38xhW09532 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:59:43 GMT Received: from [217.39.163.131] (helo=brunel) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Aore-0001im-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:54:14 +0000 From: "Malcolm Knight" To: Subject: RE: OP lists - virus? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:57:13 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <5fb699e24a.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Its the new virus W32.BADTRANS2 and you do not even have to open the > attachment for it to go active, by now (since you are using a PC > emailer, it > will be scanning your address book and sending out further copies, plus it > apparently leaves a nice little program running in the background > recording > everything you type and the next time you go on line it sends that > information out to somewhere. > > Ensure you have updated anti-virus software with the latest > updates from the > past week and do a full scan of your PC. I read that 'alert' very carefully and it said 'I received an *email* from...'. It didn't say a virus was sent to this list. I've deleted the posting now so cannot check again, perhaps the sender can confirm he recieved the virus via email rather than the list. You are right about the way the virus works. I got it on this PC the day before the Anti-Virus producers found out about it, and it sent itself to DP himself. :-( It had distributed only to those whose addresses appeared on web pages I had recently visited, something confirmed by one of the reports I read about it (The Register?) at the time. As David alerted me to the incident within minutes of its occurrence I was able to kill it by erasing my discs totally and reinstalling. Needless to say, it is an MS Outlook problem only. There are security patches on the MS site. If all the above is correct there is no need for most users here to worry unduly. The virus doesn't seem to have reached this list; and Acorns and non-Outlook PCs are immune. Malcolm Knight -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:56:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158874 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:56:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007374746:20:01295:72; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:19:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001201; 3 Dec 2001 10:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB3AN2F09985 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:23:02 GMT Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB3AMxW09982 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:22:59 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d5-224-108-dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.108]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24288 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:17:33 GMT Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:44:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <000201c17b46$82594460$ba777ad5@paulhedge> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 02 Dec, Paul wrote: > > > Hi, > > Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many years. > How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? > Any suggestions about printers or drivers greatly received. I use a printer > mainly for OvPro (I write stageplays). So presumably you are more interested in speed than having colour. I am very happy with my new Hewlet Packard Laserjet 1200. (Get Fastspool to go with it.) For most printing I use the HP2100-PS driver. Very occasionally this fails, in which case the HP2100-PCL driver comes to the rescue. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:56:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158877 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:56:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007377760:20:08869:61; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:09:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008746; 3 Dec 2001 11:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB3BCek10140 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:12:40 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB3BCbW10137 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:12:37 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16AqwJ-000F7j-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:07:11 +0000 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:46:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <001f01c17b69$335b79a0$23800001@tinypc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 02 Dec, Tony Simons wrote: > You can order a free repair kit to prevent multiple page feeds, installed > one in mine, dead easy no stripping of the printer, cured the problem Many thanks! Have ordered mine. In doing so, I see that HP say that this (fixable) problem does not affect printers made after May 2001. If this is so, then in answer to Paul's query, I would certainly recommend this printer and driver, or the latest variant, obtainable from Clare's. Good quality print, reasonably fast, and nice small 'footprint' on desk. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:56:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158878 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:56:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007378034:20:14934:76; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:13:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2014466; 3 Dec 2001 11:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB3BH9b10163 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:17:09 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB3BGqW10158 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:16:52 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust76.tnt30.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.154.76] with SMTP for id MAA02521 (8.8.8/1.3); Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:11:02 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001c01c17beb$33451160$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:10:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 03 Dec, Malcolm Knight wrote: > > Its the new virus W32.BADTRANS2 and you do not even have to open the > > attachment for it to go active, by now (since you are using a PC > > emailer, it > > will be scanning your address book and sending out further copies, plus it > > apparently leaves a nice little program running in the background > > recording > > everything you type and the next time you go on line it sends that > > information out to somewhere. > > > > Ensure you have updated anti-virus software with the latest > > updates from the > > past week and do a full scan of your PC. > > I read that 'alert' very carefully and it said 'I received an *email* > from...'. It didn't say a virus was sent to this list. I've deleted the > posting now so cannot check again, perhaps the sender can confirm he > recieved the virus via email rather than the list. I received one too by *private* email, connected as a Re: to a subject on the OP maillist. The virus isn't sent by the list. Opening the empty email itself is enough to activate the virus, when you have (to use) IE 5 or 5.5 with Outlook or Outlook Express. > > You are right about the way the virus works. I got it on this PC the day > before the Anti-Virus producers found out about it, and it sent itself to DP > himself. :-( It had distributed only to those whose addresses appeared on > web pages I had recently visited, something confirmed by one of the reports > I read about it (The Register?) at the time. > > As David alerted me to the incident within minutes of its occurrence I was > able to kill it by erasing my discs totally and reinstalling. Needless to > say, it is an MS Outlook problem only. There are security patches on the MS > site. > > If all the above is correct there is no need for most users here to worry > unduly. The virus doesn't seem to have reached this list; and Acorns and > non-Outlook PCs are immune. It is very easy to see if your MS system is infected: use Start menu -->Find and look for 3 files in Windows system directory: kernel32.exe kdll.dll cp_25389.nls When these are present, damage has done. And also a registry key is changed. There is a very extensive (and easy to follow) description and how to remove it at: EMERGENCY ALERT: W32/Badtrans-B worm spreading widely Read the analysis at http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32badtransb.html Read how to remove W32/Badtrans-B at http://www.sophos.com/support/faqs/w32badtransb.html The page also contains a direct link to the patches (to prevent future infections) on MS site. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:57:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158886 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:56:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007395451:20:08292:65; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:04:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107830; 3 Dec 2001 16:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB3G7WX10830 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:07:32 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB3G7UW10827 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:07:30 GMT Received: from [62.188.137.19] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AvMp-0004l9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 15:50:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: Ovation Pro List Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:28:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers Message-ID: <4ae2fb30c3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > Very common problem Michael. Our tech support lads at work > regularly install service kits on HP1100s which feed multiple > pages. I'm not sure whether the problem recurs on a printer which > has been serviced. Sometimes, but then the secretaries are knocking out rather large numbers of letters to patients. They probably ought to be using something more robust than a low end HP. > I'll ask tomorrow if I remember. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:57:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158891 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:57:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007413303:20:02361:61; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:01:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002337; 3 Dec 2001 21:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB3KbNl11312 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:37:23 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB3KbIW11308 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:37:18 GMT Received: (qmail 12621 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 20:31:47 -0000 Received: from useral25.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.134.98) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 20:31:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 15:16:27 GMT From: Elma Alexander To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: OP lists - virus? Message-ID: <5a8320e34a.Elly@ukgateway.net> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Malcolm Knight wrote: > > If all the above is correct there is no need for most users here to worry > unduly. The virus doesn't seem to have reached this list; and Acorns and > non-Outlook PCs are immune. Phew - ignore my previous post then :-D Elly. -- Elma Alexander Email: elma.alexander@ukgateway.net - Fax: 0870 138 4996 Praising God & Country Music Elma's Window on the World: http://znap.to/Elly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:57:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158898 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:57:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007452646:20:03275:59; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:57:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003204; 4 Dec 2001 7:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB482hT12176 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:02:43 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB482eW12170 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:02:40 GMT Received: (qmail 12936 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 07:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.50) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 07:56:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:10:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 02 Dec, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sun 02 Dec, Michael Talibard wrote: > > On Sun 02 Dec, Paul wrote: > > > Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many > > > years. How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? > > > Any suggestions about printers or drivers greatly received. > > > > If I may piggy-back my question on this one, I have used a > > Hewlett Packard LaserJet 1100 from Clare's for some time > > now with great satisfaction - until it started feeding many > > pages through at a time, which my local repairer has been > > unable to fix. Is this a common experience? Should I buy > > another one or switch to a different laser printer? > > Very common problem Michael. Our tech support lads at work regularly > install service kits on HP1100s which feed multiple pages. I'm not sure > whether the problem recurs on a printer which has been serviced. I'll ask > tomorrow if I remember. Following up - they reckon that the repair kit lasts about the same time as the original printer before needing re-doing. It seems to be a problem with all models of HP laserjut with vertical feed and small footprint (the 5L and 6L also suffer similarly). Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:58:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158906 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:57:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007479523:20:12938:92; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:25:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2013221; 4 Dec 2001 15:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4FRQ512948 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:27:26 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4FRMW12945 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:27:22 GMT Received: from modem-34.bellsprout.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.37.34] helo=stevens) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16BHO8-0000VN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:21:41 +0000 Message-ID: <00e301c17cd7$96677520$222587d9@stevens> From: "Ralph Stevens" To: References: <001c01c17beb$33451160$4d01a8c0@padua> Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:19:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? > > It is very easy to see if your MS system is infected: > use Start menu -->Find and look for 3 files in Windows system directory: > kernel32.exe > kdll.dll > cp_25389.nls I did the search for these three files and got no result for the first and third. For the second, however, rather a strange thing happened. The search reported that the file was found in the SYSTEM32 folder but the name of the file in the result window was skdll.dll. Now kdll.dll is, according to the information in the Sophos Virus info web-site, the password stealing Trojan hourse, but what is skdll.dll? and why did the search report it as a hit for kdll.dll? Do I have anything to worry about here? The Sophos exe file for dealing with the W32/Badtrans-B worm reported that no harmful files were found. Very puzzling! Ralph -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 16:58:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158910 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 16:58:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007482077:20:06406:79; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:07:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005376; 4 Dec 2001 16:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4G9gY13147 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:09:42 GMT Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4G9dW13143 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:09:39 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk ([213.78.41.253]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABV11093; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:03:56 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:01:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:01:04 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <216fa8e34a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > People have kindly sent me a number of books produced using OP, which is > very encouraging for me. Just the sort of thing to have on a stand at a show. > Some of the books and reports which we have produced using OvPro in recent years have now been made available for free download from the web by our clients. They include: The Future of English? The Internet and ELT The Language Machine http://www.britishcouncil.org/english/engpubs.htm and The Nuffield Languages Inquiry - final report: http://www.nuffieldfoundation.org/languages/inquiry/in0000000555.asp David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 19:20:27 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158936 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 19:20:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007485021:20:20363:351; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:57:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122638; 4 Dec 2001 16:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4GrGC13319 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:53:16 GMT Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4GrEW13316 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:53:14 GMT Received: from hh6217.hh.man.ac.uk ([130.88.186.217] helo=thomas) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 16BIj6-0000Aj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:47:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:46:29 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Full screen Message-ID: X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 X-Scanner: exiscan *16BIj6-0000Aj-00*kXcU.iO6eBs* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, If there anyway to write an applet, or applicatin that renders OvPro pages either, directly to sprites, (that is using screen res and anti-aliasing, unlike Sprinter for example) or better still full screen? (without window furniture) I recently had to do a presentation at uni and I put the slides together using OvPro, because it was the quickest and easiest I could think off, but ended up having to screen grab all the slides to present them. It would have been nice to be able to do it directly. Just a thought, Mark -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:38:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158953 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:38:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007226997:10:01229:59; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:16:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000833; 1 Dec 2001 17:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB1GnAO04743 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:49:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB1Gn5W04735 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:49:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16ADFC-000D7t-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:44:02 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:44:03 GMT Message-Id: <158811@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just a couple of things X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However, David thought that most users were too stupid to understand it. Who me? Users too busy to spend the time understanding it. I was going to say in response to the original point, this was discussed and I think there were some ideas for how you could implement it using existing functionality in the script language. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:38:27 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158961 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:38:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007495886:20:09722:60; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:58:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101333; 4 Dec 2001 19:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4JNNA13749 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:23:23 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4F6wW12921 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:06:58 GMT Received: from [62.188.146.21] (helo=62.188.146.21) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16BGte-0001zM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:50:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Peter Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:59:43 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.32 for RISC OS 4.03 Subject: Circular frames Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is it possible, using Ovation Pro to create text that will show around the circumference of a circular frame... ie for a CD label? In other words I want the text to parallel the inside of a circular frame. I know that I could create that with ShapeFX but it would be easier to create a frame and then get the text to fit the curve.. or at least be able to create a standard frame which could be reused. Any ideas? -- Peter Young - peter@applebyhouse.co.uk Luciano Pavarotti : The greatest tenor in the world Acorn Risc PC : Best personal computer in the world -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:38:35 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158964 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:38:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007249162:10:05713:59; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:26:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1005616; 1 Dec 2001 23:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB1NTmB05546 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:29:48 GMT Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB1NTjW05543 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:29:45 GMT Received: from modem-2314.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.73.10] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16AJUt-0002XV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:24:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:21:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Active date Message-ID: <4ae224432erayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae21ac437pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> References: <4ae21ac437pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ae21ac437pnyoung@argonet.co.uk>, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > A document I use regularly (a letter for for mail-merging) has the date > entered as a right-justified active date, in the form 1 December, 2001. > Often the screen display shows this as going over the right print > margin, but it usually prints correctly formatted. Today I lost the > last two figures of the date when printing. Is this a bug? Or can I > prevent it happening easily? I do exactly the same with my business stationery and have reported the problem in the past. OP seems to right justify to the shortest date and doesn't rejustify when the date changes. It would be useful if it could be fixed as having to select and change the date to realign it defeats the object of having the active date. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:38:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158965 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:38:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007496098:20:17586:62; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:01:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017160; 4 Dec 2001 20:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4JMnp13719 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:22:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4JMlW13716 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:22:47 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16BL3u-000FMV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:17:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:01:38 GMT Message-Id: <158913@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP Port to windows X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would both versions have a common cod ebase so developments in one version >could benefit the other? Probably. My efforts so far have been directed at setting up a library on Windows that lets my RISC OS programs work in the normal way. It really has to be done that way, rewriting OPro from scratch would take years and I can't see there'd be much gain. So yes the same code. My aim is to produce something for Windows which acts just like the RISC OS version. So you'd be able to use the same applets etc. The main difficulty appears to be the lack of something like the Template format for window definitions. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:38:46 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158969 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:38:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007496407:20:29278:62; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:06:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029254; 4 Dec 2001 20:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4JN9Y13739 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:23:09 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB2HiJW07665 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:44:19 GMT Received: (qmail 25191 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 17:39:02 -0000 Received: from userau78.uk.uudial.com (HELO jl74.dial.pipex.com) (62.188.138.26) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 17:39:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:33:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Julian Bewick Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have found Explan Computers very hepful indeed. They sorted out a printer driver for CanonBJ for me, and I have bought a Kyocera laser printer. Quite excellent. There is a good range. Explan Computers PO Box 32 Tavistock PL19 8YU 01922 613868 Julian Bewick .. On Sun 02 Dec, Michael Talibard wrote: > > On Sun 02 Dec, Paul wrote: > > Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many > > years. How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? > > Any suggestions about printers or drivers greatly received. > > If I may piggy-back my question on this one, I have used a > Hewlett Packard LaserJet 1100 from Clare's for some time > now with great satisfaction - until it started feeding many > pages through at a time, which my local repairer has been > unable to fix. Is this a common experience? Should I buy > another one or switch to a different laser printer? > > -- Michael Talibard > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Julian Bewick - Monkton Combe Computing Service - Bath Phone +44 (0) 1225 723583 Fax +44 (0) 1225 722033 Mobile 07970 611 411 Please send messages in PLAIN TEXT. I seldom look at messages unnecessarily coded in HTML or WORD. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:38:55 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158973 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:38:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007496957:20:21129:59; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:15:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106353; 4 Dec 2001 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4JNHC13746 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:23:17 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB3I6tW11034 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:06:55 GMT Received: from southfrm.demon.co.uk ([158.152.159.240] helo=southfrm) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16AxP9-0006KW-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:01:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:31:53 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers Message-ID: References: <158813@pilling.demon.co.uk> <000201c17b46$82594460$ba777ad5@paulhedge> In-Reply-To: <000201c17b46$82594460$ba777ad5@paulhedge> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Cale, Wilts (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50test) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <000201c17b46$82594460$ba777ad5@paulhedge> "Paul" wrote: > > Hi, > > Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many years. > How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? > Any suggestions about printers or drivers greatly received. I use a printer > mainly for OvPro (I write stageplays). It all depends on what you want... I have a Kyocera laser thingie for normal black and white printing. It comes with a printer driver which works well on printers 1.64 but is u/s on printers 1.53 which I have to use, see below. But, on printers 1.53, I can use a HP 5si driver, set the printer to emulate a 5si, and it is fine. Kyocera is cheap to run for its ink consumption. Then I have an old Canon BJC-610 which I use for good quality colour prints. Drivers are not a problem. But ink is a problem as it costs a fortune - and led to buying the Kyocera. Finally I have a Canon BJC 5500 to print BIG charts. The Acorn drivers with all the 1.6x versions are u/s as they cut off half of the big sheets. But the drivers with printers 1.53 are fine. Ink is not cheap but anything to print A2 size in colour is far cheaper than going to agencies. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:39:08 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158977 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:39:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007290578:10:05173:60; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:56:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126068; 2 Dec 2001 10:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2AxmQ06278 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:59:48 GMT Received: from imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.179]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2AxjW06275 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:59:45 GMT Received: from modem-3096.lemur.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.140.24] helo=RiscPC-1.nom) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16AUGW-0008FM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:54:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:54:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Mail merging - losing records Message-ID: <4ae284acd8chris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <9CF2FB08B97A5645A22A05B4A106DBEE1229BB@caebe002.NOE.Nokia.com> References: <9CF2FB08B97A5645A22A05B4A106DBEE1229BB@caebe002.NOE.Nokia.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Wondered if anyone could suggest why I'm losing a number of records from a mail merge run. (The labels for each 19th person are not being printed) * I have 18 labels on a page * using a CSV file as the data source * I'm losing every 19th record, the first on each page after page one, but the next record (the 20th) is shifting up to take its place. Checked the data and can't see anything different with each 19th record. Could any suggest a solution please? TIA Chris. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:39:11 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158979 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:39:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007292140:10:29788:62; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 11:22:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128426; 2 Dec 2001 11:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2BRCR06338 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:27:12 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2BRAW06335 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:27:10 GMT Received: from pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:21:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (unverified) by pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with SMTP id for In-Reply-To: <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > People have kindly sent me a number of books produced using > OP, which is very encouraging for me. Just the sort of thing > to have on a stand at a show. But you appear at shows even less often than me, don't you? :-) VinceH -- WebChange 2 for RISC OS: 15ukp - see http://www.softrock.co.uk/webchange/ Oh and there's also a crappy Windows95/98 version for 6.50ukp there, too. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:39:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158983 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:39:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007296747:10:05078:59; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:39:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003778; 2 Dec 2001 12:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2ChQP06563 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:43:26 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2ChOW06560 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:43:24 GMT Received: from [62.188.136.130] (helo=62.188.136.130) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AVi6-0006wJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:27:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Christopher Bryant) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:30:33 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Active date Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 1 Dec 2001 (16:45:47), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >A document I use regularly (a letter for for mail-merging) has the > date > >entered as a right-justified active date, in the form 1 December, > 2001. > >Often the screen display shows this as going over the right print > margin, > >but it usually prints correctly formatted. Today I lost the last two > >figures of the date when printing. Is this a bug? Or can I prevent it > >happening easily? > > A bug. Force a reflow... work arounds, save the template as DDL or > StyleSheet. I'm not sure a reflow would always be enough. I have a similar minor problem with a multi-chapter document in which right-hand pages have a right-justified page-number, often starting in the hundreds (for the next part of a volume), set in a frame on master-pages. I start setting with page numbers from 1: fine. When it's all settled down a bit, and I have to change it to start chapter 1 from page (say) 145, all the three-figure numbers fall partially out of the frame on the right, reflow and all. This happens, in fact, with any step-increase to the numbering. The remedy is simply to go briefly into master page, cancel the right-justification and then immediately set it again. For each chapter ;-( -- Christopher Bryant +44 (0)1548 82 13 29 cjbryant@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:39:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158988 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:39:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007301222:10:01084:60; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 13:53:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102222; 2 Dec 2001 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2DwAC06896 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:58:10 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2Dw7W06893 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:58:07 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16AX37-000HJ9-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:52:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 13:43:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? Message-ID: <4ae2941f3aJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <006101c17b2e$8c448f60$daccfea9@oldie> References: <158806@pilling.demon.co.uk> <006101c17b2e$8c448f60$daccfea9@oldie> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <006101c17b2e$8c448f60$daccfea9@oldie>, David Woodman wrote: > I received an email from a David Lee with subject "OP port to windows" > (a thread I started on this list). Me too; different enclosed file, different email subject line. I emailed him suggesting he check his system. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:40:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158995 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:39:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007314391:10:01317:60; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 17:33:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1106554; 2 Dec 2001 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2Hc6t07580 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:38:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2Hc3W07577 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:38:03 GMT Received: from weeble.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.65]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16AaTv-000MSc-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:32:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:29:37 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: D C Jones Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers References: <158813@pilling.demon.co.uk> <000201c17b46$82594460$ba777ad5@paulhedge> In-Reply-To: <000201c17b46$82594460$ba777ad5@paulhedge> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <000201c17b46$82594460$ba777ad5@paulhedge>, Paul writes > >Hi, > >Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many years. >How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? >Any suggestions about printers or drivers greatly received. I use a printer >mainly for OvPro (I write stageplays). >I have a switching gear, link to a PC, for printing information from the >web. >That's it really. > >Cheers, > >Paul > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message Sorry if this is off-topic, but it does raise something I've been wanting to find out for some time and not really known where to find it from. I was bought a HP DeskJet 690C two years ago and, although I'd love to run it on a real computer (my RISC PC 600, StrongArm, RISC 3.7) I have had to attach it to the Windoze machine I keep in the back room for work purposes. Does anyone know where I can get a driver for this from? Also - I have a friend who is Head of IT at a school in Bucks who was bemoaning his pupils' attachment to Publisher as they find it a lot easier to operate than Pagemaker. He was very impressed by OPro and (although he was brainwashed by the evil empire some time ago) would be very, very interested in an OPro for Windows. Possible break into the opposing education market, David? -- D C Jones -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:40:08 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA158999 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:40:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007320262:10:25225:60; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:11:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1125157; 2 Dec 2001 19:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2JG2C07864 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:16:02 GMT Received: from thick.mail.pipex.net (thick.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.95]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB2JFxW07861 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:15:59 GMT Received: (qmail 1359 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 19:08:59 -0000 Received: from useray67.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.139.157) by smtp-3.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 19:08:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:17:22 GMT From: Elma Alexander To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <21c39ce24a.Elly@ukgateway.net> References: <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk> vinceh@softrock.co.uk wrote: > In article <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > > > People have kindly sent me a number of books produced using > > OP, which is very encouraging for me. Just the sort of thing > > to have on a stand at a show. > > But you appear at shows even less often than me, don't > you? :-) Aaaaah - but like you, modesty prevails ;) David knows if people see the results, they won't be looking for him! Elly. -- Elma Alexander Email: elma.alexander@ukgateway.net - Fax: 0870 138 4996 Praising God & Country Music Elma's Window on the World: http://znap.to/Elly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:40:12 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159001 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:40:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007321576:10:00492:59; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:32:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101672; 2 Dec 2001 19:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2Jbgt07988 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:37:42 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2JbdW07985 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:37:40 GMT Received: from [62.188.13.199] (helo=bw26.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AcAv-0003XC-00; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:21:18 +0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 18:55:03 GMT From: Ian Wolfe To: vinceh@softrock.co.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <1ab1b0e24a.jwolfe@argonet.co.uk> References: <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk> wrote: > In article <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > People have kindly sent me a number of books produced using > > OP, which is very encouraging for me. Just the sort of thing > > to have on a stand at a show. > > But you appear at shows even less often than me, don't > you? :-) And that's a great shame, although I assume David has good reasons of his own for not attending. When I first bought OP in London, it was so inefficiently presented (IMHO) that justice was certainly not done to such a splendid programme. (If this post comes to you personally Vince, forgive me - I'm just trying to come to terms with Messenger Pro and Mailing Lists, and I have a feeling soething's gone a wee bit wrong). -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:40:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159003 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:40:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007322378:10:04301:60; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:46:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129874; 2 Dec 2001 19:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB2JjpC08063 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:45:51 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB2JjmW08060 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:45:49 GMT Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190] helo=tinypc) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16AcTX-000L7L-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:40:31 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c17b69$335b79a0$23800001@tinypc> From: "Tony Simons" To: References: Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:40:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Talibard" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers > On Sun 02 Dec, Paul wrote: > > Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many > > years. How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? > > Any suggestions about printers or drivers greatly received. > > If I may piggy-back my question on this one, I have used a > Hewlett Packard LaserJet 1100 from Clare's for some time > now with great satisfaction - until it started feeding many > pages through at a time, which my local repairer has been > unable to fix. Is this a common experience? Should I buy > another one or switch to a different laser printer? > If you go to http://www.hp.com/cposupport/printers/support_doc/bpl10045.html You can order a free repair kit to prevent multiple page feeds, installed one in mine, dead easy no stripping of the printer, cured the problem -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:40:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159008 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:40:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007365585:10:27735:59; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 07:46:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027094; 3 Dec 2001 7:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB37ogM09290 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:50:42 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB37odW09287 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:50:39 GMT Received: (qmail 24800 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 07:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.136) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 07:45:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:47:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 02 Dec, Michael Talibard wrote: > On Sun 02 Dec, Paul wrote: > > Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many > > years. How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? > > Any suggestions about printers or drivers greatly received. > > If I may piggy-back my question on this one, I have used a > Hewlett Packard LaserJet 1100 from Clare's for some time > now with great satisfaction - until it started feeding many > pages through at a time, which my local repairer has been > unable to fix. Is this a common experience? Should I buy > another one or switch to a different laser printer? Very common problem Michael. Our tech support lads at work regularly install service kits on HP1100s which feed multiple pages. I'm not sure whether the problem recurs on a printer which has been serviced. I'll ask tomorrow if I remember. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:40:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159011 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:40:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007372642:10:07851:81; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:44:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009134; 3 Dec 2001 9:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB39lrC09730 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:47:53 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB39loW09727 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:47:51 GMT Received: from modem-420.articuno.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.27.164] helo=oldie) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16ApcG-0002R2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:42:25 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c17bde$a6b94380$daccfea9@oldie> From: "David Woodman" To: References: Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:41:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Knight" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: RE: OP lists - virus? > from...'. It didn't say a virus was sent to this list. I've deleted the > posting now so cannot check again, perhaps the sender can confirm he > recieved the virus via email rather than the list. Yes, I can confirm that the virus came by email rather than the list. Incidentally, the originator of the email has now been in touch and confirmed that his computer had been infected. Chris Hughes wrote... >Its the new virus W32.BADTRANS2 and you do not even have to open the >attachment for it to go active Despite what Chris says about the email spreading even without opening attachments I *think* that I am okay. I am running Outlook Express 6 and each time the email was selected to appear in my preview window a dialogue box popped up asking me if I wanted to save or run the attachment (obviously I clicked 'cancel'). I think that my security settings were such that the email was being prevented from going active. Had the settings been different, I could well imagine the attachment launching transparently. David Woodman -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:41:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159014 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:41:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007373688:10:10506:60; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:01:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009416; 3 Dec 2001 10:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB3A5Ik09874 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:05:18 GMT Received: from ouse.qinetiq.com ([195.158.253.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB3A5FW09871 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:05:15 GMT Received: (qmail 3032 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 09:53:33 +0000 Received: from allen.qinetiq.com (10.0.5.14) by 10.0.6.10 with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 09:53:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 16929 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 09:58:17 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO knight.qinetiq.com) (10.0.19.6) by allen.qinetiq.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 09:58:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 25119 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 09:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sweeper.qinetiq.com) (10.13.1.14) by 10.13.1.10 with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 09:57:46 -0000 Received: from FRN-MAIL-3.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by sweeper.qinetiq.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:59:45 -0000 Message-ID: <1F9BD2AD298FD411807800508BFC883A05BEC2@BED-MAIL-2> From: Barr Ian M To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Overfuk Document list Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:59:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I still use version 1.01 of !Documents which I modified about 2/3 years ago and added an extra menu item to delete the menu lis Ian Barr e-mail: imbarr@QinetiQ.com -----Original Message----- From: Martin Vethake [mailto Sent: 27 November 2001 08:45 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Overfuk Document list In message <4adeff039bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > On the Menu on the Ovation Pro since 2.66 icon there is an item > Documents. The list produced is getting too long, and includes many > documents I no longer want! How can I cull it and make a fresh start? > The Discard Document entry is whited out and I cannot see anything on > the Choices menu item to alter the way Documents behaves. > It is an applet named !Document and it is simplicity itself. Which means it does not have any interface other than its menu and it will keep on growing until - it fills the screen. Just what every humble program is meant to do. To stop it You will have to use a bit of casual violence and open its application directory. Inside is a file "Documents" which is not data at all and loads quite nicely into !Edit. You may either mess with its contents (filename followed by tab etc.) or just delete everithing inside. Just like the Windows feature with the same name You will have to baby the thing forever on unless You switch it off. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:41:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159025 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:41:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007407032:10:19007:63; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:17:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110291; 3 Dec 2001 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB3JMAf11130 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:22:10 GMT Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.181]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB3JM8W11127 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:22:08 GMT Received: from modem-3069.lemur.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.139.253] helo=RiscPC-1.nom) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16AyZx-0001uz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:16:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:08:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mail merging - losing records Message-ID: <4ae335c36bchris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4ae298180cbarry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <9CF2FB08B97A5645A22A05B4A106DBEE1229BB@caebe002.NOE.Nokia.com> <4ae284acd8chris.dawson@aaug.net> <4ae298180cbarry@ User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Dec, Barry E Allen wrote: > In article <4ae284acd8chris.dawson@aaug.net>, Chris Dawson. > wrote: Hi Barry, > > Wondered if anyone could suggest why I'm losing a number of records > > from a mail merge run. (The labels for each 19th person are not being > > printed) [Snip] > > Could any suggest a solution please? > I had a similar sort of problem. I removed the {nextrecord} tag from > the last label on the page and then it was OK. Tried this and it worked a treat, I'd assumed that it wouldn't go to the next page - but it does thanks. Thanks -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:41:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159028 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:41:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007414171:10:11294:61; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:16:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110414; 3 Dec 2001 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB3KbMs11311 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:37:22 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB3KbHW11304 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:37:17 GMT Received: (qmail 12618 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 20:31:46 -0000 Received: from useral25.uk.uudial.com (HELO RPC) (62.188.134.98) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 20:31:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 15:11:17 GMT From: Elma Alexander To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? Message-ID: <5b0a20e34a.Elly@ukgateway.net> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Dan McCarthy wrote: > On Mon 03 Dec, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > > > In article <006101c17b2e$8c448f60$daccfea9@oldie>, > > David Woodman wrote: > > > I received an email from a David Lee with subject "OP port to windows" > > > (a thread I started on this list). > > I recieved one on the 'Amstrad to PC thread > It was from 'Toon Gordebeke' and was blank with a blank html page and > the attchment MP3.pif in the waveform filetype > > I sent a reply to enquire about it, it didn't bounce but I haven't > back either Drat. I received two from a friend who runs a Fan Club for a singer, so thought nothing of them being in waveform. It was only after I tried one and it didn't play, I emailed my friend to tell him - and he replied he'd got this virus which had sent them to all his address book. Is there any way of knowing if it's in my system - or does it just affect PCs? Elly. -- Elma Alexander Email: elma.alexander@ukgateway.net - Fax: 0870 138 4996 Praising God & Country Music Elma's Window on the World: http://znap.to/Elly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:41:51 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159031 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:41:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007452577:10:14229:59; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:56:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013949; 4 Dec 2001 7:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4810a12149 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:01:00 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB480vW12146 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:00:57 GMT Received: from [62.188.145.154] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16BAFM-0001fi-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:44:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:06:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? Message-ID: <4ae34b90e3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5b0a20e34a.Elly@ukgateway.net> References: <5b0a20e34a.Elly@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <5b0a20e34a.Elly@ukgateway.net>, Elma Alexander wrote: > Is there any way of knowing if it's in my system - or does it just > affect PCs? Just PC's and the whole thing relies on exploiting security holes in Outlook to propagate although a PC user running the attachment would do much the same job irrespective of mail client I suppose. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:43:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159037 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:43:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007481838:10:14066:119; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:03:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011701; 4 Dec 2001 15:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4G4L213101 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:04:21 GMT Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4G4HW13098 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:04:18 GMT Received: from host217-39-157-226.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.157.226] helo=brunel) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16BHxs-0006PB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:58:36 +0000 From: "Malcolm Knight" To: Subject: RE: OP lists - virus? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:01:37 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00e301c17cd7$96677520$222587d9@stevens> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > -----Original Message----- > From: > [mailto:owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Ralph Stevens > Sent: 04 December 2001 15:19 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tonnie Demarteau" > To: "Ovation Pro" > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:10 AM > Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? > > > > > > It is very easy to see if your MS system is infected: > > use Start menu -->Find and look for 3 files in Windows system directory: > > kernel32.exe > > kdll.dll > > cp_25389.nls > > I did the search for these three files and got no result for the first and > third. For the second, however, rather a strange thing happened. The > search reported that the file was found in the SYSTEM32 folder > but the name > of the file in the result window was skdll.dll. Now kdll.dll is, > according > to the information in the Sophos Virus info web-site, the > password stealing > Trojan hourse, but what is skdll.dll? and why did the search > report it as a > hit for kdll.dll? > > Do I have anything to worry about here? I shouldn't think so. I have 3 PCs here and all have skdll.dll but two of the machines have never ever been connected to the Internet and only run software from well known A/V companies. Steinberg, Sony, Discreet, Roxio etc. Surely it is very obvious why a search for kdll also finds skdll? Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:44:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159040 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:44:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007485923:10:18161:59; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:12:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018077; 4 Dec 2001 17:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4Go1r13288 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:50:01 GMT Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4GnxW13285 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:49:59 GMT Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fB4GibX23957 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:44:38 GMT Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:59:12 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Now kdll.dll is, according > to the information in the Sophos Virus info web-site, the password stealing > Trojan hourse, but what is skdll.dll? and why did the search report it as a > hit for kdll.dll? I don't know about the particular file, but I think you will find that by default the windows find utility looks for names that contain the string. So it's a bit like searching for *kdll.dll* > Do I have anything to worry about here? Check on the McAfee or Norton web sites. They have detailed instructions on how to find and remove the virus. I have just done a search on my machine running win2K, which I am pretty sure is not infected (our anti-virus measures have been blocking Badtrans-B for some time) and I have 2 copies of skdll.dll, one in system32 & one in system32/dllcache. So you are probably OK Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:44:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159044 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:44:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007494270:10:19916:61; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:31:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020103; 4 Dec 2001 19:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4JMxd13729 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:22:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4JMtW13726 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:22:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16BL43-000FMV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:17:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:08:39 GMT Message-Id: <158917@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I received an email from a David Lee with subject "OP port to windows" (a > thread I started on this list). So far this virus has not been posted to the list. Alas that doesn't stop it from finding out your address from a message you've sent to the list which is sat on another subscribers machine. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:44:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159046 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:44:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007494972:10:11401:68; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:42:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011138; 4 Dec 2001 19:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4JN2w13734 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:23:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4JN0W13731 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:23:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16BL45-000FMV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:17:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:14:09 GMT Message-Id: <158919@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just a couple of things X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Some of the books and reports which we have produced using OvPro >in recent years have now been made available for free download >from the web by our clients. >http://www.britishcouncil.org/english/engpubs.htm I suppose that brings forth another idea, I could have a 'gallery' of work produced using OP on my web site i.e. links to sites like the above. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 21:44:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159048 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 21:44:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007495159:10:17132:59; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:45:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016996; 4 Dec 2001 19:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4JMrq13724 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:22:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4JMpW13721 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:22:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16BL3x-000FMV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:17:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:06:31 GMT Message-Id: <158915@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: What DDL doesn't support... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Is there a definitive list of those featires of a document that will be >lost if it is saved as DDL rather than in OP's native file format? Bugs aside, the idea is that nothing of the 'view' is saved. So document zoom, print format, they're not saved. There are complications, for example bookmarks are not saved, and some applets use those for all sorts of stuff. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 22:33:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159075 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 22:33:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007501719:20:08351:59; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 21:35:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124589; 4 Dec 2001 21:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4LeU114496 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:40:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4LeQW14487 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:40:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16BND7-000Amz-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:34:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:26:28 GMT Message-Id: <158946@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Full screen X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >If there anyway to write an applet, or applicatin that renders OvPro pages >either, directly to sprites, (that is using screen res and anti-aliasing, >unlike Sprinter for example) or better still full screen? (without window >furniture) You can use Sprinter, but at say x4 the final resolution you want, and then use something like David Pilling's scanning software to scale down to the final resolution. IM will alias as it scales down. Most routes to aliasing involve such super sampling, but of course they may not involve so much finger work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 22:33:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159078 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 22:33:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007503767:20:02256:59; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:09:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002150; 4 Dec 2001 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4MEWq14618 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:14:32 GMT Received: from mcvax.org (root@mcvax.org [193.242.82.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4METW14615 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:14:29 GMT Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mcvax.org ident=jhma) by mcvax.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #6) id 16BNk4-000CXH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:08:44 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP Port to windows In-Reply-To: Message from opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) of "Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:01:38 GMT." <158913@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:08:43 +0000 From: James Aldridge Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > > >Would both versions have a common cod ebase so developments in one version > >could benefit the other? > > Probably. My efforts so far have been directed at setting up a library > on Windows that lets my RISC OS programs work in the normal way. > It really has to be done that way, rewriting OPro from scratch would take > years and I can't see there'd be much gain. So yes the same code. > > My aim is to produce something for Windows which acts just like the RISC OS > version. So you'd be able to use the same applets etc. Any chance of a Linux (or any other Unix variant) version? ;-) James -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 23:00:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159094 for opro ; Tue, 04 Dec 101 23:00:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007505069:20:28224:59; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:31:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027984; 4 Dec 2001 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4MaGA14749 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:36:16 GMT Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB3DLQW10552 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:21:26 GMT Received: from PC ([213.105.85.111]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20011203131559.NORR27606.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@PC> for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:15:59 +0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Nice buglet grouping/ungrouping frames on master page Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:16:46 +0000 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--=_upum0u4ofo8ul3214ankvs79s01fiu09hh.MFSBCHJLHS" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----=_upum0u4ofo8ul3214ankvs79s01fiu09hh.MFSBCHJLHS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suspect this is a (rather esoteric) bug in the ungrouping of grouped frames on a master page. =20 Here is the scenario that reproduces it for me with Ovation Pro 2.66 under RISCOS 4.03. 1. Create a new document (unticking "Default Master Page" option) 2. Edit the master page, and create a small frame at the top left of the page (placement does not really matter) 3. Copy and past that frame to create another frame below it, giving a total of two frames 4. Select both frames and group together 5. Copy and paste the two grouped frames to the right, giving a total of two groups, each of two frames, making a grand total of four frames 6. Close the master page and return to the window showing the view of the first page of the new document - it contains the four frames set up on the master page (for anyone interested, I saved this document as DDLFile1 in attachment DDL/zip) 7. Now edit the master page again and ungroup both groups to give four individual frames 8. Close the master page again, returning to the window showing the view of the first page of the document. There are no frames! (again for anyone interested, I saved the updated document as DDLFile2 in attachment DDL/zip) 9. Now insert a new page. The four frames *do* appear on the inserted page and the original incorrect page can be deleted So, easy to bypass, but I found it very confusing for a while and turned the air a little blue. 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Wed, 05 Dec 101 01:57:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007516295:10:21963:63; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 01:38:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1021605; 5 Dec 2001 1:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB51efu15225 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:40:41 GMT Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB51ecW15222 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:40:38 GMT Received: from RiscPC ([62.255.159.29]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20011205013452.GTD29646.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@RiscPC> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:34:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 01:36:03 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <5013dde34a.pbready@ntlworld.com> References: <216fa8e34a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <216fa8e34a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <216fa8e34a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> David Graddol wrote: > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > People have kindly sent me a number of books produced using OP, which is > > very encouraging for me. Just the sort of thing to have on a stand at a > > show. > > > > Some of the books and reports which we have produced using OvPro in recent > years have now been made available for free download from the web by our > clients. They include: > > > The Future of English? The Internet and ELT The Language Machine > > http://www.britishcouncil.org/english/engpubs.htm > > and The Nuffield Languages Inquiry - final report: > http://www.nuffieldfoundation.org/languages/inquiry/in0000000555.asp > > David > And very slick they look too - any chance of making their templates available, or at least some tips as to how you used OvPro in their design/ execution? -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 5 01:57:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159100 for opro ; Wed, 05 Dec 101 01:57:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007508174:10:05525:59; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 23:22:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005466; 4 Dec 2001 23:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4NSFB15039 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:28:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4NSCW15036 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:28:13 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16BOtO-000MRc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:22:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 21:20:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: What DDL doesn't support... Message-ID: <4ae3c5a753Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158915@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <158915@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <158915@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Is there a definitive list of those featires of a document that will > >be lost if it is saved as DDL rather than in OP's native file format? > Bugs aside, the idea is that nothing of the 'view' is saved. So > document zoom, print format, they're not saved. No problem there as far as I'm concerned... > There are complications, for example bookmarks are not saved, and some > applets use those for all sorts of stuff. Yes; noting the steady progression of revisions to OP since the CD upgrade version, and noticing from comments on this list that some of the newer features are supported in DDL, I was just hoping for a definitive list of what isn't there. I'm far too polite to ask when the omitted bits will get added to DDL, of course... 2.66 on the CD I was thinking that I no longer had a clear idea of exactly what DDL doesn't support; I believe that some of the new features you've added to OP are supported in DDL. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 5 01:57:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159101 for opro ; Wed, 05 Dec 101 01:57:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007506672:20:07111:60; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:57:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007079; 4 Dec 2001 22:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB4N2qx14906 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:02:52 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB4N2mW14899 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:02:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16BOUp-000K7W-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:57:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:34:45 GMT Message-Id: <159080@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP Port to windows X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Any chance of a Linux (or any other Unix variant) version? ;-) Well the obvious choices were Windows, Mac or Linux. I'm not entirely sure Windows was the right choice, but its too late now. Getting as far as a Windows port would make a port to anything else easier. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 5 16:00:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159116 for opro ; Wed, 05 Dec 101 16:00:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007530721:10:22869:61; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 05:38:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110127; 5 Dec 2001 5:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB55hqh15496 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 05:43:52 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB55hnW15493 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 05:43:49 GMT Received: from [62.188.146.45] (helo=62.188.146.45) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16BUa4-0005sY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 05:26:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ted Lacey) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 05:36:53 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.32 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Circular frames Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R One solution would be to use !FontFX, save as a draw file and then import to OP or print the draw file. If you haven't used this program it give many options for many styles of printing. Ted Lacey -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Lacey - ZFC LXXX - RiscPC600 - StrongArmed tedell@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 5 16:00:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159121 for opro ; Wed, 05 Dec 101 16:00:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007544110:10:20419:65; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:21:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020020; 5 Dec 2001 9:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB59QWn15770 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:26:32 GMT Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB59QTW15767 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:26:29 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk ([213.78.39.150]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABV57810; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:20:37 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:11:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:10:50 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <62b66e44a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5013dde34a.pbready@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Pete Bready wrote: > In message <216fa8e34a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> > David Graddol wrote: > > > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > > > People have kindly sent me a number of books produced using OP, which is > > > very encouraging for me. Just the sort of thing to have on a stand at a > > > show. > > > > > > > Some of the books and reports which we have produced using OvPro in recent > > years have now been made available for free download from the web by our > > clients. They include: > > > > > > The Future of English? The Internet and ELT The Language Machine > > > > http://www.britishcouncil.org/english/engpubs.htm > > > > and The Nuffield Languages Inquiry - final report: > > http://www.nuffieldfoundation.org/languages/inquiry/in0000000555.asp > > > > David > > > > And very slick they look too - any chance of making their templates > available, or at least some tips as to how you used OvPro in their > design/ execution? Glad you liked them. I think they show the effect of using a professional project team, including a designer. You shouldn't really be able to tell what software is used for laying out a book - and the designer should not be concerned with it either. Everything, including graphics, was done under RiscOS. If David is collecting URLs, then I've just realised a couple of journals are also currently available on the web: The AILA Review 14 http://www.aila.ac/aila_rev01.html BIELT 'Information' http://www.bielt.org/magazine/magindex.htm David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 5 16:00:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159124 for opro ; Wed, 05 Dec 101 16:00:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007553630:10:27926:71; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:00:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105213; 5 Dec 2001 11:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB5C3C816038 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:03:12 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB5C39W16035 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:03:09 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust184.tnt7.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.108.184] with SMTP for id MAA20642 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:57:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <004301c17d83$f6688fc0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <001c01c17beb$33451160$4d01a8c0@padua> <00e301c17cd7$96677 Subject: Re: OP lists - virus? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:23:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 Dec, Ralph Stevens wrote: Tonnie Demarteau" wrote: > > It is very easy to see if your MS system is infected: > > use Start menu -->Find and look for 3 files in Windows system directory: > > kernel32.exe > > kdll.dll > > cp_25389.nls > > I did the search for these three files and got no result for the first and > third. For the second, however, rather a strange thing happened. The > search reported that the file was found in the SYSTEM32 folder but the name > of the file in the result window was skdll.dll. Now kdll.dll is, according > to the information in the Sophos Virus info web-site, the password stealing > Trojan hourse, but what is skdll.dll? and why did the search report it as a > hit for kdll.dll? > > Do I have anything to worry about here? > > The Sophos exe file for dealing with the W32/Badtrans-B worm reported that > no harmful files were found. > > Very puzzling! As others already wrote: other files with longer names in which your search string is part of the name are also displayed. It is easy to get relevant information about a file and how legimate it is by right clicingk on the file and choosing properties. You get a window with (in my case Windows NT4) 3 tabs: General, Version and Security. For the file skdll.dll the version says: Serial Keys, version 4.00, Copyright MS. Clicking in the little window on the left, displays more information. I also have a second one (Windows2000): Serial Keys 5.002090.1. Header information can be found, when you right click on the file and choose "Quick view". So, without running anything, you can find information about files. Versions can differ, however, different file names mean "different" files. Moving or removing files without knowing what you are doing is a bad idea. Again, even on Windows computers, you don't get infected via mail of the OvPro maillist, due to the protections David Pilling has made. I hope this item will soon be very off-topic. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 5 16:00:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159126 for opro ; Wed, 05 Dec 101 16:00:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007556595:10:18958:78; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:49:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018946; 5 Dec 2001 12:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB5CspQ16182 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:54:51 GMT Received: from oceanus.uk.clara.net (oceanus.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB5CsnW16179 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:54:49 GMT Received: from du-023-0082.claranet.co.uk ([212.126.133.82] helo=williamlack.clara.net) by oceanus.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #4) id 16BbTr-000KU6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:48:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William Lack To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 11:06:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP Port to windows Message-ID: <4ae411545ewilliamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <158913@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <158913@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain X-RBL-Warning: (relays.osirusoft.com) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <158913@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Probably. My efforts so far have been directed at setting up a library > on Windows that lets my RISC OS programs work in the normal way. > It really has to be done that way, rewriting OPro from scratch would take > years and I can't see there'd be much gain. So yes the same code. Are you saying that your other programs will also work with this library? And possibly some other RISC OS programs?... -- William Lack --------------------- williamlack@clara.net County Series: http://home.clara.net/williamlack/index.htm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 5 16:00:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159129 for opro ; Wed, 05 Dec 101 16:00:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007565886:10:12237:734; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:24:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027281; 5 Dec 2001 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB5Ep3E16390 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:51:03 GMT Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (smtp02.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB5EoxW16387 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:51:00 GMT Received: from 54-1-76-094.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.76.94] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 16BdID-0007lj-00 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:45:02 +0900 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:44:22 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Just a couple of things To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <62b66e44a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 05 Dec, David Graddol wrote: > > Pete Bready wrote: > > > In message <216fa8e34a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> > > David Graddol wrote: > > > > > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > People have kindly sent me a number of books produced using OP, which is > > > > very encouraging for me. Just the sort of thing to have on a stand at a > > > > show. > > > > > > > > > > Some of the books and reports which we have produced using OvPro in recent > > > years have now been made available for free download from the web by our > > > clients. They include: > > > > > > > > > The Future of English? The Internet and ELT The Language Machine > > > > > > http://www.britishcouncil.org/english/engpubs.htm Ooh! I do like this story :-) David Eastment is a great, fun guy and very knowledgeable about all things computerish. He's also a very good teacher. He came to help set up the Acorn Master128 network here in the Tokyo British Council in 1986 (and spent all night on the phone to Cherry Hinton, typing in the dictated code for it to run - it wasn't on the Fileservers sent to us !) He abandoned Acorn and became a PC guru for ELT as PCs were more 'advanced'. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have written the text in OvPro: it's nice that you set it in it tho - the wheel turns full circle :-) Ian P. -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 5 17:56:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159148 for opro ; Wed, 05 Dec 101 17:56:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007573144:20:27103:62; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:25:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126153; 5 Dec 2001 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB5HRMc16676 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:27:22 GMT Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.112.73]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB5HRKW16673 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:27:20 GMT Received: from ppp-3-176.5800-11.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.180.176] helo=thosechurchills) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Bfh6-000MoZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:18:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 07:28:32 GMT From: M P Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Full screen Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hi, > > If there anyway to write an applet, or applicatin that renders OvPro pages > either, directly to sprites, (that is using screen res and anti-aliasing, > unlike Sprinter for example) or better still full screen? (without window > furniture) > > I recently had to do a presentation at uni and I put the slides together > using OvPro, because it was the quickest and easiest I could think off, > but ended up having to screen grab all the slides to present them. It > would have been nice to be able to do it directly. > !ArcFax may do what you want. If this is selected as the printer, files which represent the pages which you printed appear in the TX batch directory as TIFF files. Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 5 21:48:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159155 for opro ; Wed, 05 Dec 101 21:48:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007575711:10:20982:423; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 18:08:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124790; 5 Dec 2001 17:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB5Hwqb16815 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:58:52 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB5HwoW16812 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:58:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16BgE2-00049a-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:52:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 16:46:08 GMT Message-Id: <159140@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP Port to windows X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Are you saying that your other programs will also work with this >library? Yes, you can expect to see Win versions of Trace, CrossStar, David Pilling's scanning software etc. >And possibly some other RISC OS programs?... Well yes, but its not really practical. We're talking about compiled C programs, the source code is not likely to be available. And even if it was they will have been written to use different libraries like RISC OS Lib, the Acorn Toolbox, Desklib etc. Even my stuff splits into programs written the old way, and those written using the current library. This lifeboat is custom designed for me, but see the message here about Red Squirrel. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 5 21:48:57 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159157 for opro ; Wed, 05 Dec 101 21:48:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007577002:10:19286:321; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 18:30:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013978; 5 Dec 2001 17:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB5Hwu416820 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:58:56 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB59htW15877 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:44:00 GMT Received: from sottens-17.s210.wau.nl (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with ESMTP id <0GNV005PH6RF57@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:38:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from steven by sottens-17.s210.wau.nl with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16BYVr-00011i-00 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:38:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:38:47 +0100 (CET) From: Steven Subject: Re: OP Port to windows In-reply-to: <159080@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > >Any chance of a Linux (or any other Unix variant) version? ;-) > > Well the obvious choices were Windows, Mac or Linux. I'm not entirely > sure Windows was the right choice, but its too late now. Getting > as far as a Windows port would make a port to anything else easier. > Slightly off topic but still: Is it already possible to run Ovation Pro on windows using some kind of RISC OS emulator (like Red Squirrel)? Since i've got a Ovation Pro document that needs to be finished by someone who has only a PC, so either i've to wait for the windows port or i need to get Ovation Pro working on the PC. Regards Steven -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 6 01:17:53 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159166 for opro ; Thu, 06 Dec 101 01:17:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007590387:20:19069:59; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:13:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018767; 5 Dec 2001 22:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB5MHlj17330 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:17:47 GMT Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB5MHiW17327 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:17:44 GMT Received: from hh6217.hh.man.ac.uk ([130.88.186.217] helo=thomas) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 16BkGS-0006qL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:11:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:10:12 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Full screen Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <158946@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 X-Scanner: exiscan *16BkGS-0006qL-00*at7sq9hlxbI* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <158946@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi, > > >If there anyway to write an applet, or applicatin that renders OvPro pages > >either, directly to sprites, (that is using screen res and anti-aliasing, > >unlike Sprinter for example) or better still full screen? (without window > >furniture) > > You can use Sprinter, but at say x4 the final resolution you want, and > then use something like David Pilling's scanning software to scale down to the final resolution. > IM will alias as it scales down. > > Most routes to aliasing involve such super sampling, but of course they may > not involve so much finger work. > That is a possible route, but is less than ideal, as you point out it's lots of work, in addtion it creates rather uncomforatbly large images which take a while to throw around and I don't think the aliasing is as good as the standard screen display. When you've got 20 or so to do this kind of thing adds up. I just thought it would be nice if it could be done direct. Mark. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 6 01:18:01 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159168 for opro ; Thu, 06 Dec 101 01:17:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007592612:20:06180:59; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:50:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2115361; 5 Dec 2001 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB5Mtaq17449 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:55:36 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB5MtXW17446 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:55:33 GMT Received: (qmail 8149 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 22:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.218) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 22:49:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:20:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Just a couple of things To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <158919@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 04 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >Some of the books and reports which we have produced using OvPro > >in recent years have now been made available for free download > >from the web by our clients. > >http://www.britishcouncil.org/english/engpubs.htm > > > I suppose that brings forth another idea, I could have a 'gallery' of > work produced using OP on my web site i.e. links to sites like the above. I have produced our church magazine with Ovation then OPro for years, recent editions are available as PDF at http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/mag.htm but even the latest !PDF doesn't display the embedded type1 fonts so better to read using Acrobat Reader on a different platform :-( Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 6 01:18:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159171 for opro ; Thu, 06 Dec 101 01:18:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007595049:10:25873:60; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:30:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118356; 5 Dec 2001 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB5Na3O17571 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:36:03 GMT Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB5Na0W17568 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:36:00 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-42-116.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.42.116]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABW18769; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:30:00 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:28:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:28:06 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <8c3255e44a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 04 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >Some of the books and reports which we have produced using OvPro > > >in recent years have now been made available for free download > > >from the web by our clients. > > >http://www.britishcouncil.org/english/engpubs.htm > > > > > > I suppose that brings forth another idea, I could have a 'gallery' of > > work produced using OP on my web site i.e. links to sites like the above. > > I have produced our church magazine with Ovation then OPro for years, recent > editions are available as PDF at http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/mag.htm but > even the latest !PDF doesn't display the embedded type1 fonts so better to > read using Acrobat Reader on a different platform :-( > It's fine in RiScript - so no need for a PC! But I did wonder whether the PDF file size was bigger than it would be if generatd by Acrobat distiller rather than Ghostscript. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 6 01:18:11 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159172 for opro ; Thu, 06 Dec 101 01:18:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007595216:10:00651:59; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:33:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000583; 5 Dec 2001 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB5NdM317590 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:39:22 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB5NdJW17587 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:39:19 GMT Received: from gwen ([213.105.144.172]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20011205233320.PGPZ2135.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:33:20 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Full screen Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:29:32 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If there anyway to write an applet, or applicatin that renders OvPro pages >either, directly to sprites, (that is using screen res and anti-aliasing, >unlike Sprinter for example) or better still full screen? Another alternative: Print to a PostScript file, and then use Cerilica RiScript to render that to a drawfile. Then (bitmaps excepted), you should have resolution independence. Then you can scale to whatever size you want or even render the drawfiles full-screen programmatically. TTFN, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 6 13:36:27 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159177 for opro ; Thu, 06 Dec 101 13:36:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007602523:10:10477:59; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:35:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105770; 6 Dec 2001 1:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB61ejN17853 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 01:40:45 GMT Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB61egW17850 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 01:40:42 GMT Received: from martin.lexicon (unknown [212.104.153.6]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1834A4FA4F for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 01:37:23 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:35:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers Message-ID: <4ae460e155mlongley@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: References: <000201c17b46$82594460$ba777ad5@paulhedge> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Sun 02 Dec, Paul wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many years. > > How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? > > Any suggestions about printers or drivers greatly received. I use a printer > > mainly for OvPro (I write stageplays). > So presumably you are more interested in speed than having colour. > I am very happy with my new Hewlet Packard Laserjet 1200. (Get Fastspool to > go with it.) For most printing I use the HP2100-PS driver. Very occasionally > this fails, in which case the HP2100-PCL driver comes to the rescue. Brother laser printers work with HP Laserjet 6 driver. Martin Longley -- mlongley@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 6 13:36:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159182 for opro ; Thu, 06 Dec 101 13:36:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007635878:10:16846:58; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:51:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016405; 6 Dec 2001 10:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB6Asdm18480 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:54:39 GMT Received: from mail1.ims-firmen.de (qmailr@mail1.ims-firmen.de [213.174.32.56]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB6AsZW18477 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:54:35 GMT Received: (qmail 10656 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 09:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uff411.ucs.de) (212.62.74.94) by mail1.ims-firmen.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 09:01:47 -0000 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:00:42 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.50) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 06 Dec 2001 10:00:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:00:41 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP Port to windows Message-ID: <4e9e89e44a.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (RemoteNB/1.50) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (20 Sep 2000) test-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > > > > >Any chance of a Linux (or any other Unix variant) version? ;-) > > > > Well the obvious choices were Windows, Mac or Linux. I'm not entirely > > sure Windows was the right choice, but its too late now. Getting > > as far as a Windows port would make a port to anything else easier. > > > Slightly off topic but still: > Is it already possible to run Ovation Pro on windows using some kind of RISC OS > emulator (like Red Squirrel)? > Red Squirrel will give You about the speed of an A4000 (ARM250) with a PIII @ 900MHz - I've only been using this to get at very old ROS2 stuff (Atelier pictures etc.). I think it will be very slow but it should work. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 6 22:23:58 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159204 for opro ; Thu, 06 Dec 101 22:23:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007671645:10:15851:59; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 20:47:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1111800; 6 Dec 2001 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB6Kpn719226 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:51:49 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB6KpfW19223 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:51:46 GMT Received: (qmail 23759 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 20:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.101) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 20:45:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:49:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Just a couple of things To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <8c3255e44a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 05 Dec, David Graddol wrote: > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > In on Tue 04 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > >Some of the books and reports which we have produced using OvPro > > > >in recent years have now been made available for free download > > > >from the web by our clients. > > > >http://www.britishcouncil.org/english/engpubs.htm > > > > > > > > > I suppose that brings forth another idea, I could have a 'gallery' of > > > work produced using OP on my web site i.e. links to sites like the > > > above. > > > > I have produced our church magazine with Ovation then OPro for years, > > recent editions are available as PDF at > > http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/mag.htm but even the latest !PDF doesn't > > display the embedded type1 fonts so better to read using Acrobat Reader > > on a different platform :-( > > > > It's fine in RiScript - so no need for a PC! But I did wonder > whether the PDF file size was bigger than it would be if generatd > by Acrobat distiller rather than Ghostscript. The next edition has just gone to the printers and I'll be generating the PDF in the next couple of days. Would anyone like to take the same source Postscript and convert to PDF with Riscript and/or Acrobat distiller so I can get a comparison of size/quality and decide whether to buy one of those products (my preference would be Riscript to keep to the RiscPC). Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 8 13:59:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159250 for opro ; Sat, 08 Dec 101 13:59:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007819304:10:08636:58; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 13:48:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008593; 8 Dec 2001 13:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB8Dpx021533 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:51:59 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB8DpoW21530 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:51:56 GMT Received: from pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:45:18 +0000 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net (unverified) by pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with SMTP id for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364535 days, 10 hours, 14 minutes, 56 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 02 Dec, Paul wrote: > > Hi, > > Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many years. > How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? If it's mainly text you want to print then you're often fine with one of the existing drivers. Onceyou start talking about full colour photos the Risc OS drivers are simply either not available or the existing ones aren't suitable. Enter RiScript. Print your quality critical docs to Postscript then use RiScript to convert them to PDF and print them from Acrobat Reader on a PC or a Mac (or from Preview on Mac OS X). Aside from the slight hassle, which is less than it sounds, it works an aboslute treat. I print all my Risc OS generated docs that way at the moment since I don't have enough desk space for two printers. The ability to do that has extended the life of my beloved RPC for another year or so at least 'cos I can continue to use OP and other RO apps. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 What a man needs in gardening is a cast iron back with a hinge in it. - Charles Dudley Warner -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 8 16:24:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159265 for opro ; Sat, 08 Dec 101 16:24:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007828113:20:18184:61; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:15:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018054; 8 Dec 2001 16:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB8Fb0421945 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:37:00 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB8FatW21942 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:36:55 GMT Received: from [62.188.146.30] (helo=62.188.146.30) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16CjFh-0006Kn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:18:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Christopher Bryant) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:50:15 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Chart colours Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've recently had a need to supply output in named (numbered) Pantone colours. I found the similarly-numbered 'chart colours' (Picture->process->chart) looked pretty nearly right (haven't heard yet), but this feature seems seriously under-documented, and it seems odd that one cannot use the supplied colours as a base (because we can't edit them, and we aren't told what their makeup is to create a new colour to edit). Nothing about all this in the OPro colour supplement. Can anyone suggest a source of further information, please? What are the 'generic' numbers and how are the colours in the chart chosen and arranged, from what source? Can one rely on their being equivalent to Pantone values? Regards Christopher -- Christopher Bryant +44 (0)1548 82 13 29 cjbryant@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 11 17:00:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159269 for opro ; Tue, 11 Dec 101 17:00:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007829903:20:15437:59; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:45:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116975; 8 Dec 2001 16:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB8Gbfx22411 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:37:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB8GbbW22407 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:37:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16CkNS-000Fh5-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:31:02 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:26:42 GMT Message-Id: <159267@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Chart colours X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >under-documented, and it seems odd that one cannot use the supplied colours as >a base (because we can't edit them, and we aren't told what their makeup is to >create a new colour to edit). There's a trick, like basing a new colour on an old one which happens to be a chart colour[1], that will let you get at the colour values. And of course the chart is defined as a text file which you could just look at in Edit. Overhanging all this is the problem of Pantone being copyright. Beebug tried to licence Pantone and got the usual "we're not getting out of bed for less than 250K" answer. So they produced the generic chart, which incidentally can't be Pantone, because Pantone is not just a set of CMYK values. Then Beebug got cold feet and stopped supplying the generic chart (and I have joined them in this). Obviously the idea of the generic chart is to let you use Pantone colours. Aside from Beebug or myself, people have produced similar charts for ArtWorks, and I recall there's a free Acorn application called 'swatch' which has not just Pantone, but lots of other proprietary colour systems in it. [1] add chart colour to doc, then create a new colour based on it, then edit the new colour. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 11 17:00:48 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159270 for opro ; Tue, 11 Dec 101 17:00:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007830211:20:25838:58; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:50:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127730; 8 Dec 2001 16:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB8GuUr22564 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:56:30 GMT Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB8GuRW22561 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:56:27 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-21-2.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.21.2]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABX88784; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:49:51 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:48:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:48:32 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Chart colours Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro cjbryant@argonet.co.uk (Christopher Bryant) wrote: > I've recently had a need to supply output in named (numbered) Pantone colours. > I found the similarly-numbered 'chart colours' (Picture->process->chart) looked > pretty nearly right (haven't heard yet), but this feature seems seriously > under-documented, and it seems odd that one cannot use the supplied colours as > a base (because we can't edit them, and we aren't told what their makeup is to > create a new colour to edit). > Nothing about all this in the OPro colour supplement. Can anyone suggest a > source of further information, please? What are the 'generic' numbers and how > are the colours in the chart chosen and arranged, from what source? Can one > rely on their being equivalent to Pantone values? > Regards > Christopher Pantone is pretty litigious about protecting its rights and so you will find it difficult to locate free information. However, you need to bear in mind that pantones are actual colours of ink (spot colours) mixed to recipe by the printer and are not produced by colour separations. It is, however, possible to get somewhere close for many of the colours using CMYK but there are some pantone colours which just can't be rendered in this way. Furthermore, there are some uses of spot colour (eg logos with fine lines) which can't easily be rendered with colour seps anyway - not only is registration a problem, you can't get the levels of tinting required in a fine line). What you see on the monitor screen is, of course, RGB, and there is another set of problems attached to calibrating monitors and attempting to ensure that screen displays are anything like the final printed effect. If you want to use pantones at the printer, you need to set up a spot colour. Actually, it doesn't matter what colour it is - it could be bright purple. The point is that it creates its own separation and you tell the printer the pantone number of the ink you want them to use. Of course, if you want to find out the values used in the colour chart, and tweak them for whatever reason, then first add the chart colour you want to your your palette using Misc>edit colour>chart etc. Then (still within the Edit colour window) select that colour and click 'new'. This will allow you to set up a copy of the colour with a new name. You can edit that new colour in the normal way, and see the CMYK/RGB equivalences. You can then delete the chart colour if its not needed. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 11 17:01:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159298 for opro ; Tue, 11 Dec 101 17:01:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008020262:20:06528:58; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:37:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2006453; 10 Dec 2001 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBALfKV29562 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:41:20 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBALfHW29559 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:41:17 GMT Received: from [62.188.144.244] (helo=62.188.144.244) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16DXsy-0002Ik-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:22:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Hemmings To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:23:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers Message-ID: <4ae6dcf26arobh@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Sat 08 Dec, Peter Gaunt wrote: > > > > On Sun 02 Dec, Paul wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many > > > years. > > > > > How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? > > > > If it's mainly text you want to print then you're often fine with one > > of the existing drivers. Onceyou start talking about full colour > > photos the Risc OS drivers are simply either not available or the > > existing ones aren't suitable. > > ??. The new Canon drivers from Photodesk are very good indeed. > Steve I'd have to agree, I'm very impressed with the Canon S4500 + Photodesk drivers that I bought recently. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 11 17:02:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159300 for opro ; Tue, 11 Dec 101 17:01:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007915950:10:20493:59; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 16:39:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020426; 9 Dec 2001 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB9GhZ225543 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:43:35 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB9GhWW25540 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:43:32 GMT Received: from [62.188.155.162] (helo=62.188.155.162) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16D6la-0005Fa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 16:25:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Christopher Bryant) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:29:02 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Chart colours Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for the helpful replies. On Sat 8 Dec 2001 (16:26:42), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > Overhanging all this is the problem of Pantone being copyright. Beebug > tried to licence Pantone and got the usual "we're not getting out of > bed for less than 250K" answer. So they produced the generic chart, > which incidentally can't be Pantone, because Pantone is not just a > set of CMYK values. Then Beebug got cold feet and stopped supplying > the generic chart (and I have joined them in this). I take it that means nobody is now in a position to say what relation the chart colours have to any particular Pantone samples. Oh well. Actually I did originally supply spot colour separations, on the assumption that the printers could provide their own Pantone stuff; but no, they must have a composite colour pdf (dread words -- 'new machinery'). At least I now know how to make delicate changes if it turns out they aren't happy. C -- Christopher Bryant +44 (0)1548 82 13 29 cjbryant@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 11 17:02:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159304 for opro ; Tue, 11 Dec 101 17:02:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007918435:10:29158:58; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:20:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029131; 9 Dec 2001 17:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB9HR8e25726 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:27:08 GMT Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB9HR5W25723 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:27:05 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk (213-78-23-78.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.23.78]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACD95852; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:20:00 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:18:22 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:18:10 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Chart colours Message-ID: <36ac42e64a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro cjbryant@argonet.co.uk (Christopher Bryant) wrote: > Thanks for the helpful replies. > > On Sat 8 Dec 2001 (16:26:42), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > Overhanging all this is the problem of Pantone being copyright. Beebug > > tried to licence Pantone and got the usual "we're not getting out of > > bed for less than 250K" answer. So they produced the generic chart, > > which incidentally can't be Pantone, because Pantone is not just a > > set of CMYK values. Then Beebug got cold feet and stopped supplying > > the generic chart (and I have joined them in this). > > I take it that means nobody is now in a position to say what relation the > chart colours have to any particular Pantone samples. Oh well. Actually I did > originally supply spot colour separations, on the assumption that the printers > could provide their own Pantone stuff; but no, they must have a composite > colour pdf (dread words -- 'new machinery'). At least I now know how to make > delicate changes if it turns out they aren't happy. > C There may be a misunderstanding or some other problem here. If the printer is genuinely using a pantone then I can't see how providing CMYK composite colour can remotely help - it would just cause a problem and some tricky work with specialist software to extract particular CMYK values and convert them into a new spot colour separation. If the printer is actually intending to run the job as composite colour, then the word pantone shouldn't really be used. David The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 11 17:02:10 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159306 for opro ; Tue, 11 Dec 101 17:02:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007923923:10:22533:74; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:52:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100733; 9 Dec 2001 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB9IwCV26006 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:58:12 GMT Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB9Iw9W26003 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:58:09 GMT Received: (qmail 20154 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 18:51:19 -0000 Received: from userac51.test-uk.uudial.com (HELO bandit.fruits.lan) (62.188.193.250) by smtp-6.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 18:51:19 -0000 Received: from rpc (rpc.fruits.lan [192.168.1.8]) by bandit.fruits.lan (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with SMTP id fB9HCEj03596 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:12:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: fruit To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:12:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Chart colours Message-ID: <4ae6421feafruit@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Christopher Bryant wrote: > Thanks for the helpful replies. > On Sat 8 Dec 2001 (16:26:42), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > Overhanging all this is the problem of Pantone being copyright. Beebug > > tried to licence Pantone and got the usual "we're not getting out of > > bed for less than 250K" answer. So they produced the generic chart, > > which incidentally can't be Pantone, because Pantone is not just a > > set of CMYK values. Then Beebug got cold feet and stopped supplying > > the generic chart (and I have joined them in this). > I take it that means nobody is now in a position to say what relation > the chart colours have to any particular Pantone samples. Have you looked at !Colours, should be available from http://www.valleyfield.demon.co.uk AFAIK Andy -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 11 17:02:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159318 for opro ; Tue, 11 Dec 101 17:02:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1007986125:10:27340:62; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:08:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026174; 10 Dec 2001 12:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBACEGc28282 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:14:16 GMT Received: from hinge3.mistral.co.uk (hinge3.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBACEEW28279 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:14:14 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d7-224-40-dial.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.40]) by hinge3.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA16750 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:07:15 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:31:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Printers & Drivers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 08 Dec, Peter Gaunt wrote: > > On Sun 02 Dec, Paul wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Slightly off topic, but I'm thinking of changing my printer of many years. > > > How easy is it to get a printer driver for a RISC PC nowadays? > > If it's mainly text you want to print then you're often fine with one of > the existing drivers. Onceyou start talking about full colour photos the > Risc OS drivers are simply either not available or the existing ones aren't > suitable. ??. The new Canon drivers from Photodesk are very good indeed. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 12 02:08:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159359 for opro ; Wed, 12 Dec 101 02:08:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008111381:20:26553:58; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:56:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026315; 11 Dec 2001 22:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBBN1cw16236 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:01:38 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBAEJMW28651 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:19:22 GMT Received: from [62.188.151.230] (helo=62.188.151.230) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16DQzO-0002ha-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:01:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:50:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Just a couple of things Message-ID: <4ae6ae0c09john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk> References: <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ae23c8543vinceh@SPAMsoftrock.co.uk>, wrote: > In article <158771@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > People have kindly sent me a number of books produced using > > OP, which is very encouraging for me. Just the sort of thing > > to have on a stand at a show. > But you appear at shows even less often than me, don't you? :-) That's what I've always heard, and I think it is a shame. I'd really like to be able to shake the hands of those like David P in this mini-cosmos of ours and say "well done!" -- there's nothing quite like personal contact to convey one's true feelings adequately. I feel that it would be possible for our "celebrities" to be recognised in that way without causing them any embarrassment or other complications, just sincere appreciation. -- John M Ward : ZFC B and a member of Convergence International --> Helping to crack RC5-64 with an Acorn RiscPC 600/SA -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 13 01:30:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159378 for opro ; Thu, 13 Dec 101 01:30:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008206503:20:06205:57; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:21:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006107; 13 Dec 2001 1:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBD1SX420412 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:28:33 GMT Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBD1SVW20409 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:28:31 GMT Received: from host217-35-13-160.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.13.160] helo=acornrpc) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16EKYV-0004rP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:20:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:16:14 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Which software to write pdf (was Re: Just a couple of things) Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 12 Dec, Anthony Hilton exclaimed: [snip] > > Is there a free web-service where you can drop a PS file in a > direcctory and pick up a PDF some time later? I have some recollection > of such a service but cannot now find a link. > -- Brian Howlett ----------------------- Procrastinate tomorrow! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 13 01:31:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159383 for opro ; Thu, 13 Dec 101 01:30:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008203757:10:20850:62; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:35:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020787; 13 Dec 2001 0:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBD0fGB20135 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:41:16 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBD0fDW20132 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:41:14 GMT Received: (qmail 1239 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 00:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.102) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 00:33:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:19:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Which software to write pdf (was Re: Just a couple of things) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <8c3255e44a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 05 Dec, David Graddol wrote: > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > > > I have produced our church magazine with Ovation then OPro for years, > > recent editions are available as PDF at > > http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/mag.htm but even the latest !PDF doesn't > > display the embedded type1 fonts so better to read using Acrobat Reader > > on a different platform :-( > > > > It's fine in RiScript - so no need for a PC! But I did wonder > whether the PDF file size was bigger than it would be if generatd > by Acrobat distiller rather than Ghostscript. I did respond in the original thread enquiring for someone to distill my Postscript file to PDF with Riscript or Acrobat and had a couple of offers with Riscript Pro - thank you Charles Hope and John Kerslake. The pdf Charles sent is 613Kb compared with 266Kb from Ghostscript - I do have compression switched on. Is there a free web-service where you can drop a PS file in a direcctory and pick up a PDF some time later? I have some recollection of such a service but cannot now find a link. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 13 01:31:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159385 for opro ; Thu, 13 Dec 101 01:31:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008205494:10:07392:61; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:04:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007111; 13 Dec 2001 1:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBD1Bth20298 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:11:55 GMT Received: from eos.telenet-ops.be (eos.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBD1BrW20295 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:11:53 GMT Received: from riscpc.be (D5763C52.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.60.82]) by eos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 348201FF7C for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:04:17 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:04:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Which software to write pdf (was Re: Just a couple of things) Message-ID: <4ae7f8d9b6jdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: References: <8c3255e44a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 05 Dec, David Graddol wrote: > > Anthony Hilton wrote: > Is there a free web-service where you can drop a PS file in a > direcctory and pick up a PDF some time later? I have some > recollection of such a service but cannot now find a link. http://www.babinszki.com/distiller/ Jan. -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 14 01:56:29 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159407 for opro ; Fri, 14 Dec 101 01:56:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008282821:20:03672:68; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:33:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101120; 13 Dec 2001 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBDMeEU23862 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:40:14 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBDMeBW23859 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:40:11 GMT Received: (qmail 20826 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 22:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.188) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 22:32:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:27:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Which software to write pdf (was Re: Just a couple of things) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4ae7f8d9b6jdp@pandora.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 13 Dec, Jan De Poorter wrote: > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Wed 05 Dec, David Graddol wrote: > > > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > Is there a free web-service where you can drop a PS file in a > > direcctory and pick up a PDF some time later? I have some > > recollection of such a service but cannot now find a link. > > http://www.babinszki.com/distiller/ > > Jan. Thank you Jan (and Brian who supplied the same link). I'll try it. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 14 01:56:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159412 for opro ; Fri, 14 Dec 101 01:56:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008283824:10:24765:58; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:50:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118756; 13 Dec 2001 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBDMvaX23978 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:57:36 GMT Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBDMvYW23975 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:57:34 GMT Received: from host217-35-3-74.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.3.74] helo=acornrpc) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Eefn-0003s7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:49:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:48:44 GMT From: Brian Howlett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Which software to write pdf (was Re: Just a couple of things) Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.04-pre1 X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC SA-110 X-no-markup: yes X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (14 Jan 2001) [TEST 4], ZapEmail 0.25 (19 Feb 2001) test-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 13 Dec, Anthony Hilton exclaimed: > In on Thu 13 Dec, Jan De Poorter wrote: [snip] >> http://www.babinszki.com/distiller/ >> >> Jan. > > Thank you Jan (and Brian who supplied the same link). I'll try it. > Just a word of warning - I tested it and it works fine, but don't put anything confidential up. The .pdf files are retrieved, at least when I tried it, with FTPc, and every other file waiting collection can be accessed... -- Brian Howlett --------------------------------------------------------------- I came home from work the other day and found that someone had stolen all my furniture, and replaced it with exact replicas... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 14 16:11:29 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159429 for opro ; Fri, 14 Dec 101 16:11:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008322437:20:07652:58; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:33:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006379; 14 Dec 2001 9:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBE9cPr25327 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:38:25 GMT Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBE9cMW25324 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:38:22 GMT Received: from Caslon.english.co.uk ([213.78.39.43]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACA88821; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:30:31 GMT Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:21:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:21:40 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Which software to write pdf (was Re: Just a couple of things) Message-ID: <2d3aaae84a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Brian Howlett wrote: > On 13 Dec, Anthony Hilton exclaimed: > > > In on Thu 13 Dec, Jan De Poorter wrote: > [snip] > >> http://www.babinszki.com/distiller/ > >> > >> Jan. > > > > Thank you Jan (and Brian who supplied the same link). I'll try it. > > > Just a word of warning - I tested it and it works fine, but don't put > anything confidential up. The .pdf files are retrieved, at least when I > tried it, with FTPc, and every other file waiting collection can be > accessed... Note also that this service no longer uses Adobe distiller - it actually uses Ghostscript to produce the PDFs. This is because making distiller available on a public server breached Adobe's licence and they got upset. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 14 22:11:27 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159436 for opro ; Fri, 14 Dec 101 22:11:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008364231:20:10049:59; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:10:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009939; 14 Dec 2001 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBELHGs27127 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:17:16 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBELHDW27124 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:17:13 GMT Received: (qmail 17776 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 21:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.21.250) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 21:09:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:28:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Which software to write pdf (was Re: Just a couple of things) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <2d3aaae84a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 14 Dec, David Graddol wrote: > Brian Howlett wrote: > > > On 13 Dec, Anthony Hilton exclaimed: > > > > > In on Thu 13 Dec, Jan De Poorter wrote: > > [snip] > > >> http://www.babinszki.com/distiller/ > > >> > > >> Jan. > > > > > > Thank you Jan (and Brian who supplied the same link). I'll try it. > > > > > Just a word of warning - I tested it and it works fine, but don't put > > anything confidential up. The .pdf files are retrieved, at least when I > > tried it, with FTPc, and every other file waiting collection can be > > accessed... > > Note also that this service no longer uses Adobe distiller - it > actually uses Ghostscript to produce the PDFs. This is because > making distiller available on a public server breached Adobe's > licence and they got upset. I noticed both of those when I looked at the site - it actually says Ghostscript 5.50 not the current 6.x. I put up the postscript in a zip file, and saw the log showed the file being extracted but not processed to PDF in the time I waited (about 1o minutes I think). In that time other files were received and processed. I'll look when I log on to send this later. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 18 17:22:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159499 for opro ; Tue, 18 Dec 101 17:22:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008620691:20:05021:57; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:24:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003817; 17 Dec 2001 20:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBHKTio03072 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:29:44 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBHKTfW03069 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:29:41 GMT Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #45292) with SMTP id <0GOI00KIR8IZCU@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:21:02 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:20:45 +0000 (GMT) From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Vantage and Opro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello I've checked the list for possible messages about Vantage and OvationPro, didn't find anything so i guess it hasn't been brought up recently, otherwise i apologise. Is it possible to load Vantage drawfiles into OvationPro already, with all the fancy stuff like transparency. If not, is there a reasonable change we'll see it soon? Many thanks Steven Ottens -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 18 22:56:50 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159541 for opro ; Tue, 18 Dec 101 22:56:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008713430:10:02456:57; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:10:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129402; 18 Dec 2001 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBIMGqG06152 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:16:52 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBIMGnW06149 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:16:49 GMT Received: from modem-5.fluorine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.8.5] helo=localhost) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16GSP3-0000GX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:08:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:54:06 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Suitable Euro Symbols Message-ID: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fBIMGoW06150 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fBIMGqH06152 Status: R Dear colleagues, I have quite an extensive range of fonts which I use with Ovation Pro, practically 40 in all, and I am wondering where I can obtain Euro symbols= , which will soon be quite often needed. I gather that ASCII 36 is usually= the $ dollar sign, 163 =A3 the pound sterling sign, and 164 =A4 the Euro sign= .. Can anyone advise where to get the Euro signs in a style which suits the vari= ous fonts, and what the simplest method is of installing them so that I can switch back to the =A3 fairly easily when needed. Thanks in advance, Robin. --=20 Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 19 13:53:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159571 for opro ; Wed, 19 Dec 101 13:53:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008730449:20:11543:58; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:54:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2011448; 19 Dec 2001 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBJ329606740 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 03:02:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBJ326W06736 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 03:02:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16GWr5-00067r-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:53:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:54:25 GMT Message-Id: <159563@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Suitable Euro Symbols X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Location CD.Others.Symes.EuroFont contains some notes on how to display the Euro character if your old fonts do not support it. If you don't have the CD I think you'll find Dave Symes notes on the third party OP support web site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 19 13:53:46 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159573 for opro ; Wed, 19 Dec 101 13:53:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008763592:20:11033:98; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:06:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008474; 19 Dec 2001 12:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBJBvCC07883 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:57:12 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBJBv9W07880 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:57:09 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust40.tnt36.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.166.40] with SMTP for id MAA23494 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:47:57 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <008d01c18883$02146970$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: Suitable Euro Symbols Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:42:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fBJBvCD07883 Status: R On Tue 18 Dec, Robin Phillips wrote= : > Dear colleagues, > > I have quite an extensive range of fonts which I use with Ovation Pro, > practically 40 in all, and I am wondering where I can obtain Euro symbo= ls, > which will soon be quite often needed. I gather that ASCII 36 is usual= ly the > $ dollar sign, 163 =A3 the pound sterling sign, and 164 =A4 the Euro si= gn. Can > anyone advise where to get the Euro signs in a style which suits the va= rious > fonts, and what the simplest method is of installing them so that I can > switch back to the =A3 fairly easily when needed. Since I can't write it better myself, I'll quote a posting (6 Nov 2001, comp.sys.acorn.apps): --quote--- Kevin Bracey wrote in message news:844736d54a.kbracey@kbracey.cam.pace.co.uk... > > > This is the problem: it shouldn't really be at 164... How do we ea= sily > > > get the symbol that /was/ there? > > Those fonts are broken. It should never have been placed at 164. You'll= note > that as a result they don't match the system fonts, the keyboard layout= , or > the territory modules. And it breaks Unicode conversion routines. > > The Euro should appear: > > as glyph 107 in Outlines0 files > as Unicode character U+20AC > as glyph 240 in Sidney (in it's logo form) > as character 128 of Latin1-8 and Welsh > as character 164 of Latin9 and Greek > > and nowhere else. > > There should be no duplicate characters in any 8-bit character set. Thi= s is > relied upon by the Unicode versions of the International and > InternationalKeyboard modules. > > As an aside, do the RISC OS 4 fonts have the real styled Euros or just = a copy > of the logo? > > Of course, we did get all the euros added properly to our fonts; I thin= k we > just refused to give them to RISCOS Ltd. > > -- > Kevin Bracey, Principal Software Engineer > Pace Micro Technology plc Tel: +44 (0) 1223 518566 > 645 Newmarket Road Fax: +44 (0) 1223 518526 > Cambridge, CB5 8PB, United Kingdom WWW: http://www.pace.co.u= k/ ---unquote--- Summary: ROM fonts Trinity, Homerton, Corpus have Euro at ascii 0128 and ascii 016= 4 ROM font Sidney has Euro glyph at ascii 0240 EFF fonts (EFF Professional Typography 2 CD), but at 0136 in RISC OS, Tru= etype and Type1 fonts. "Converted Windows fonts" have Euro at 0128, except for Bitstream/CorelDr= aw 9 fonts, that also have the Euro at 0164. Note: the preceding 0 (zero) isn't important in RISC OS, it is important = in Windows with NUM LOCK on. -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 19 13:53:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159575 for opro ; Wed, 19 Dec 101 13:53:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008730467:10:24629:59; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:54:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106994; 19 Dec 2001 2:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBJ328K06739 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 03:02:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBJ325W06732 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 03:02:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16GWr4-00067r-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:53:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:50:31 GMT Message-Id: <159561@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Vantage and Opro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro You can load Vantage files into OP but you don't get any of the special effects like transparency. That won't be possible until the Vantage renderer appears. Even then it will be nontrivial because OP does not use the standard RISC OS draw file render module. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 19 18:14:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159595 for opro ; Wed, 19 Dec 101 18:14:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008782454:10:20812:1654; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:20:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129524; 19 Dec 2001 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBJGvNY08624 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:57:23 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBJGvKW08621 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:57:21 GMT Received: (qmail 17192 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 16:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.25.108) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 16:48:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:37:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Suitable Euro Symbols To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fBJGvLW08622 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id fBJGvNZ08624 In on Tue 18 Dec, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, >=20 > I have quite an extensive range of fonts which I use with Ovation Pro, > practically 40 in all, and I am wondering where I can obtain Euro symbo= ls, > which will soon be quite often needed. I gather that ASCII 36 is usual= ly > the $ dollar sign, 163 =A3 the pound sterling sign, and 164 =A4 the Eur= o sign.. > Can anyone advise where to get the Euro signs in a style which suits th= e > various fonts, and what the simplest method is of installing them so th= at I > can switch back to the =A3 fairly easily when needed. >=20 > Thanks in advance, Robin. There was some discussion a while ago about Euro symbols - was it here or= on Archive-on-Line? The upshot was that recent versions of fonts from EFF an= d the RISC OS 4 fonts have the Euro symbol in them - but at different positions. For fonts from other vendors/sources you might have to use FontEdit or Dr Fonty to make a combination of capital C with an equal sign overlaid and = put it in an appropriate position (that matches the majority of other fonts y= ou use for your own ease of use). Anthony Hilton --=20 ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 21 01:34:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159642 for opro ; Fri, 21 Dec 101 01:34:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008893223:10:09274:57; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:07:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109767; 21 Dec 2001 0:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBL0Bl012339 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:11:47 GMT Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBL0BjW12336 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:11:45 GMT Received: from wing2.herald.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.0.226] ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16HD8v-0001pX-04 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:02:29 +0000 Received: from httpd by wing2.herald.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16HD8v-0001VE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:02:29 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.103 (Entity 4.115) From: Russell Palmer Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:02:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Slow cut and paste To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but cannot find it in my archives, so please forgive me for bringing it up again. Cutting large amounts of text seems to take an irritatingly long time (but pasting it is almost instant). I believe the culprit was an applet... can someone please remind me which one it was (or what it was if it wasn't (aren't pronouns brilliant :)) Cheers, Russ -- Russell Palmer russell.palmer@stcatz.ox.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 21 14:02:52 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159649 for opro ; Fri, 21 Dec 101 14:02:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008898479:10:01902:58; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:34:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001151; 21 Dec 2001 1:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBL1gxf12610 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:42:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBL1gvW12607 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:42:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16HEZB-0003HN-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:33:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:36:48 GMT Message-Id: <159644@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Slow cut and paste X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Endnotes? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 21 14:02:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159651 for opro ; Fri, 21 Dec 101 14:02:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1008929835:10:25897:59; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:17:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128235; 21 Dec 2001 10:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBLA8TG13580 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:08:29 GMT Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBLA8QW13577 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:08:26 GMT Received: from roger ([213.106.195.184]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20011221095906.KIUC2135.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@roger> for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:59:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:58:21 GMT From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Slow cut and paste Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Russell Palmer wrote: > I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but cannot find it in my archives, so > please forgive me for bringing it up again. Cutting large amounts of text > seems to take an irritatingly long time (but pasting it is almost instant). I > believe the culprit was an applet... can someone please remind me which one it > was (or what it was if it wasn't (aren't pronouns brilliant :)) !!!!!!!bm had a bug that could do this. There is an updated version on the alternative resources site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Roger -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Dec 23 17:21:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159702 for opro ; Sun, 23 Dec 101 17:21:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009123566:10:26413:57; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:06:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121917; 23 Dec 2001 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBNGC1e19999 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:12:01 GMT Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBNGBwW19996 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:11:58 GMT Received: from wing2.herald.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.0.226] ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16IB4d-0006a6-02 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:02:03 +0000 Received: from httpd by wing2.herald.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16IB4c-0000Qx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:02:02 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.103 (Entity 4.115) From: Russell Palmer Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:02:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: total numper of pages To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi again, Thanks muchly for your prompt replies to my last problem... here's another one for you. Again, it may have come up before, for which I apologise. I have been trying to add 'Page 7 of 14' automatically to all the pages of a document. Getting the page number (7) to update automatically is easy; the problem comes when I try to get the total number of pages automatically inserted. Is there an easy way? The best I have managed to come up with is a mail merge with the following field: {macv=itos(chapterpages(1, currentfile()));} Fortunately, I only have one chapter... Is there any functionality that allows macros to be inserted dynamically onto pages, without the need to use a mailmerge (as in (dare I use the comparison) MS Word)? If not (which I believe to be the case), is there any chance of this appearing in a future update? Cheers, Russ -- Russell Palmer russell.palmer@stcatz.ox.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Dec 23 22:59:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159718 for opro ; Sun, 23 Dec 101 22:59:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009139635:10:13959:59; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:33:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116087; 23 Dec 2001 20:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBNKh1d20586 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:43:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBNKgwW20583 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:42:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16IFIq-0004Sr-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:33:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:48:04 GMT Message-Id: <159710@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: total numper of pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any functionality that allows macros to be inserted dynamically onto >pages, without the need to use a mailmerge (as in (dare I use the comparison) >MS Word)? No. >If not (which I believe to be the case), is there any chance of this >appearing in a future update? I've long wanted to do this sort of thing. Using mail merge is far from ideal. I think the main problem is that I've not thought of a brilliant way to do it. At one level you could just have an 'expand macros' button on the normal print window that did the current mail merge stuff. One step beyond that would be to have a view option that showes macros in expanded form. Perhaps I should ask that friendly paper clip how Word does it... (how to get rid of that assistant is the best Win tip I've learnt yet). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Dec 23 22:59:51 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159720 for opro ; Sun, 23 Dec 101 22:59:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009145327:10:14131:57; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:08:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013969; 23 Dec 2001 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBNMHuh20856 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:17:56 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBNMHsW20853 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:17:54 GMT Received: from modem-139.leopard.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.144.139] helo=pavilion) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16IGml-00008C-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:08:00 +0000 Message-ID: <003801c18bfe$227f32c0$8b9087d9@pavilion> From: "Michael Hunter" To: References: Subject: Re: total numper of pages Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:03:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Russell Palmer" wrote | I have been trying to add 'Page 7 of 14' automatically to all the pages of a | document. On the Alternative Resources site is the information of how to do this using a mail merge. As David said that is not ideal BUT once you have set it up on a standard document I do not find it any real trouble. I use this function much of the time and hardly notice it. As a user of WORD (at work) I do not think this is any more trouble then normal printing. Michael -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Dec 23 22:59:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159721 for opro ; Sun, 23 Dec 101 22:59:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009146471:10:14458:61; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:27:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106439; 23 Dec 2001 22:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBNMbK421005 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:37:20 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBNMbIW21002 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:37:18 GMT Received: from modem-139.leopard.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.144.139] helo=pavilion) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16IH5Y-0003r0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:27:24 +0000 Message-ID: <003901c18c00$d8a587a0$8b9087d9@pavilion> From: "Michael Hunter" To: "OvPro Mail List" Subject: Frame Printing Problems Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:26:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings, This might not be an OvPRO problem but hopefully somebody might be able to suggest a solution. I am a regular user of the pamphlet / galley print options with much success. I recently produced a booklet for a Carol Services and the front page had information / pictures in a frame with a border. This was originated at A4 and printed at A5 with no problems. I decided to produce a larger version at A4 (for the minister) and used the normal print option. However this did not print properly. The top and bottom of the frame border (and the corners) printed with no problems however the sides did not print. I use a HP Laser Jet 6L with Acorn driver. I tried rescaling to fit (in case that was a problem) although it was all in the printable area. No luck. I tried using SPRINTER and it printed properly. I printed it successfully to a postscript printer and exported it to DRAW using RiScript and it printed successfully on the LJ6. I do not remember any other problems printing frame borders. Any suggestions? Best wishes for the festive Season. Michael -- Michael Hunter michael@hunter8home.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 14:00:22 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159734 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 14:00:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009160910:10:09092:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:28:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008622; 24 Dec 2001 2:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBO2bSb21594 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:37:28 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBO2bQW21591 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:37:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16IKpu-0002Iy-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:27:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:32:00 GMT Message-Id: <159729@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Frame Printing Problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The top and bottom of the frame border (and the corners) printed with no >problems however the sides did not print. I use a HP Laser Jet 6L with Acorn >driver. I tried rescaling to fit (in case that was a problem) although it >was all in the printable area. No luck. Hmm this rings a distant bell - so you may find the problem discussed in the archives of the mail list. One suggestion is that the LJ is running out of memory, that would be likely to be triggered by a specific amount of stuff on the page, resolution etc. What sort of border - Draw or line? The Draw borders depend on scaling and printing in parts - corners and sides etc. And yet you've tied it to the LJ, so no use wondering about odd Draw files. I suppose you could play and turn down the print scale until it does print. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 14:00:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159736 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 14:00:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009178548:10:12902:58; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:22:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012685; 24 Dec 2001 7:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBO7Vf822204 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:31:41 GMT Received: from latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBO7VdW22201 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:31:39 GMT Received: from ukonline.co.uk (tnt-6-143.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.143]) by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 86E2753987 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:21:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:18:43 GMT From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: total numper of pages Message-ID: References: <159710@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <159710@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <159710@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Perhaps I should ask that friendly paper clip how Word does it... > > (how to get rid of that assistant is the best Win tip I've learnt yet). > > > > David Pilling > Would you like to share it? Best Wishes Dave -- Dave Morrell Middlesbrough (UK) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 14:00:32 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159739 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 14:00:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009178554:20:21261:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:22:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126804; 24 Dec 2001 7:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBO7Vca22200 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:31:38 GMT Received: from latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBO7VZW22197 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:31:35 GMT Received: from ukonline.co.uk (tnt-6-143.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.143]) by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BC31553C71 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:21:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:21:04 GMT From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Frame Printing Problems Message-ID: References: <003901c18c00$d8a587a0$8b9087d9@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <003901c18c00$d8a587a0$8b9087d9@pavilion> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <003901c18c00$d8a587a0$8b9087d9@pavilion> "Michael Hunter" wrote: snip > The top and bottom of the frame border (and the corners) printed with no > problems however the sides did not print. I use a HP Laser Jet 6L with Acorn > driver. I tried rescaling to fit (in case that was a problem) although it > was all in the printable area. No luck. > > I tried using SPRINTER and it printed properly. I printed it successfully > to a postscript printer and exported it to DRAW using RiScript and it > printed successfully on the LJ6. > > I do not remember any other problems printing frame borders. > > Any suggestions? > Not a suggestion as such but I have had a similar problem with the Acorn? LaserJet5L driver. Using Turbo driver everything worked as it should. Could be a driver problem but I don't know what. Best Wishes Dave -- Dave Morrell Middlesbrough (UK) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 17:24:14 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159749 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 17:24:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009206991:10:10003:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:16:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121898; 24 Dec 2001 15:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBOFPgg23249 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:25:42 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBOFPdW23246 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:25:40 GMT Received: from modem-232.llama.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.176.232] helo=RiscPC-1.nom) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16IWpE-0002SZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:15:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:04:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aedea7f52chris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: References: <003901c18c00$d8a587a0$8b9087d9@pavilion> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've just taken delivery of a nice new Kyocera laser printer and I'm having some problems with the print out,I'm using Post Script, from Ovation Pro, This is what I'm finding: Status page, direct from the printer, prints OK When I print from OvationPro, 2.66, in Pamphlet or Normal (well any I've tried so far) there are fine lines printed over the whole of the page (within the page limits set by Ovation) in the background. They are made up of tiny dots. The lines are about 1mm apart. I've tried it with 2.62 and I get the same but in 2.60 I don't If printing Pamphlet the lines are across the page, if printing normal (A4) they are vertical on the page. In Draw and Impression or from Windows it prints OK. Any suggestions please? TIA. -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 17:24:29 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159751 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 17:24:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009208955:20:14329:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:49:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121885; 24 Dec 2001 15:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBOFwxv23391 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:58:59 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBOFwuW23385 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:58:56 GMT Received: from [62.188.154.206] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16IXQ5-0004wN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:53:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:28:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: total numper of pages Message-ID: <4aedcbb034steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <159710@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , dmorrell wrote: > In message <159710@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Perhaps I should ask that friendly paper clip how Word does it... > > (how to get rid of that assistant is the best Win tip I've learnt > > yet). > Would you like to share it? Office 97, find the directory called "Actors": Delete it, rename it to "DeadActors", move it to a floppy (ensuring no trace on the PC) and jump on it in times of frustration... Any version of the above will do, but the latter tends to appeal to more people. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 17:24:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159752 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 17:24:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009208966:20:14925:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:49:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121924; 24 Dec 2001 15:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBOFx1723393 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:59:01 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBOFwvW23388 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:58:57 GMT Received: from [62.188.154.206] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16IXQ1-0004wN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:53:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:24:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Frame Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aedcb6489steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <159729@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <159729@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <159729@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > One suggestion is that the LJ is running out of memory, that would > be likely to be triggered by a specific amount of stuff on the page, > resolution etc. The LaserJet series force a page eject before the bottom of the page is rendered when they run out of memory, losing print items from both sides is something different. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 20:56:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159757 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 20:55:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009214825:10:18652:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:27:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017863; 24 Dec 2001 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBOHace23833 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:36:38 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBOHaZW23826 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:36:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16IYrv-0008VG-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:26:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:28:54 GMT Message-Id: <159755@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Frame Printing Problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Its just occured to me I have a LJ sat next to me, so if you can produce a simple example... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 20:56:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159758 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 20:56:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009214527:20:00118:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:22:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115288; 24 Dec 2001 17:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBOHUuR23731 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:30:56 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBOHUsW23728 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:30:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16IYmQ-0007zz-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:20:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:07:30 GMT Message-Id: <159747@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: total numper of pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would you like to share it? When you install Word, amongst all the options for bits and bobs you can install or not, there is one for the office assitant - unselect this and so don't install it. That seems to be the most effective remedy, in my limited experience just turning it off in the program merely results in it springing back to life later. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 20:56:05 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159759 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 20:56:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009214811:20:14757:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:26:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125063; 24 Dec 2001 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBOHabf23832 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:36:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBOHaYW23822 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:36:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16IYrt-0008VG-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:26:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:26:30 GMT Message-Id: <159753@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I print from OvationPro, 2.66, in Pamphlet or Normal (well any I've >tried so far) there are fine lines printed over the whole of the page Again this rings a bell - somewhat louder than yesterdays effort. I think we've covered the ground well before. Anyway screening it needs to be either off or on. So visit the Print->separations window. The situation is confused bugs in previous versions. Particularly one where the dialogue box does not show what the true setting is. So you've got to set it by hand. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 20:56:12 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159761 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 20:56:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009217697:20:12751:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:14:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101576; 24 Dec 2001 18:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBOIOiF24101 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:24:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBOIOgW24098 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:24:42 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16IZcS-000F2m-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:14:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:48:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aedfef4d7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4aedea7f52chris.dawson@aaug.net> References: <003901c18c00$d8a587a0$8b9087d9@pavilion> <4aedea7f52chris.dawson@aau User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4aedea7f52chris.dawson@aaug.net>, Chris Dawson. wrote: > When I print from OvationPro, 2.66, in Pamphlet or Normal (well any I've > tried so far) there are fine lines printed over the whole of the page > (within the page limits set by Ovation) in the background. Corduroy paper! The problem is that Ovation Pro defaults to generating a "setscreen" command which, despite being a valid PS command, seems to make the Kyocera printer print these daft lines. Within OP print options you need to go into the "screen" ones and turn "PS screen" off. It seems to be "150 45 {Dot} setscreen" that actually causes the problem (if you print to a file you can see this near the start of the PS output). As far as I understand it (not far!) the PS setscreen command only refers to something that matters when pictures are being printed on a page (in half-toning?). I've never seen anything that adequately explains what that command does far less what the subtle differences between one or more flavours of it actually are. I certainly don't understand why my printer will interpret that command and place background shading on the entire printable area of a page especially as that page doesn't contain any pictures at all. I did discuss this issue some time ago with Paul Richardson at ExpLAN (from whom I got my Kyocera printer): >> JN: I don't know if it's possible to find out whether there's a bug in >> how the printer's firmware is dealing with the setscreen command - I'd >> have hoped that if it were meaningless that the printer would ignore >> it rather than output stripes... > PR: It's not a bug. And it's not meaningless either. >> JN: I accept that treating setscreen as a valid command is not a bug, >> but I don't quite see how the output result can be regarded as ok, >> whether it is on a laser printer, imager or whatever. > PR: Setscreen is one of the PostScript keywords to do precisely this > sort of effect. It's absolutely correct to have this implemented! >> JN: Yes; but the effect was to cover all the parts of the document >> that would otherwise be blank with stripes. I'd have been less >> pissed-off if it had just affected eg embedded pictures - or non-black >> text areas - at least I could see that (perhaps) some part of colour >> separation or half-tone picture generation was affected. For plain >> text on a white background I'm afraid I can't see why the effect was >> as it is. Also, DP's own PS printer does not render these stripes - >> is it in error? >> JN: Perhaps this treatment of setscreen is something I should pursue >> with ExpLAN or Kyocera > PR: No. With David Pilling. He's extremely competent in this area. >> JN: He says setscreen is a valid PS command & doesn't see why it >> should not be in the output file. (DP - I think you actually said >> this to Tonnie in discussion of RiScript Pro crashes on setscreen cmd) > PR: You can tell DP to liaise with me if he needs me to check > something out on a Kyocera printer wrt the PostScript output of OvPro. > I'll be glad to assist. However, I suspect he won't need to. My belief then - and now - is that whatever the setscreen command is for it should not cover the blank part of the page with any toner, far less regular stripes -- if someone says that this sort of thing is reasonable (eg on an imagesetter) it makes me wonder what the blank parts of a imageset document would end up looking like. This was never adequately resolved. As far as I'm concerned turning off generation of the setscreen command when having that present doesn't cause other users/printers problems, isn't really the point. Perhaps there *is* a fault in Kyocera's emulation of PS? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 20:56:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159763 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 20:56:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009224107:20:19421:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:01:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123573; 24 Dec 2001 20:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBOKBPY24402 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:11:25 GMT Received: from spielberg.vip.uk.com (spielberg.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBOKBLW24398 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:11:21 GMT Received: from modem-67-33-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.33.67] helo=breathe) by spielberg.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16IbHf-0007hj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:01:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:48:07 GMT From: Derek Todd To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Frame Printing Problems Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message dmorrell wrote: > > The top and bottom of the frame border (and the corners) printed with no > > problems however the sides did not print. I use a HP Laser Jet 6L with Acorn > > driver. I tried rescaling to fit (in case that was a problem) although it > > was all in the printable area. No luck. > > I do not remember any other problems printing frame borders. > > > > Any suggestions? > > In message <003901c18c00$d8a587a0$8b9087d9@pavilion> > "Michael Hunter" wrote: > > Not a suggestion as such but I have had a similar problem with the > Acorn? LaserJet5L driver. Using Turbo driver everything worked as it > should. > > Could be a driver problem but I don't know what. This problem occurred in Datapower too when using an LJ1100, and printers 1.53. Again using Turbo driver printed correctly. I experimented with various size borders, no content, so printer memory should not have come into it. I found that the problem kicked in when the top border was less than 3cm from the top of the page. Still not found a solution or a reason. Can anyone help? -- Derek Todd Dorset U.K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 20:56:20 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159764 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 20:56:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009224112:20:19813:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:01:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019456; 24 Dec 2001 20:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBOKBMV24401 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:11:22 GMT Received: from spielberg.vip.uk.com (spielberg.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBOKBJW24394 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:11:20 GMT Received: from modem-67-33-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.33.67] helo=breathe) by spielberg.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16IbHd-0007hj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:01:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:48:07 GMT From: Derek Todd To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Frame Printing Problems Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message dmorrell wrote: > > The top and bottom of the frame border (and the corners) printed with no > > problems however the sides did not print. I use a HP Laser Jet 6L with Acorn > > driver. I tried rescaling to fit (in case that was a problem) although it > > was all in the printable area. No luck. > > I do not remember any other problems printing frame borders. > > > > Any suggestions? > > In message <003901c18c00$d8a587a0$8b9087d9@pavilion> > "Michael Hunter" wrote: > > Not a suggestion as such but I have had a similar problem with the > Acorn? LaserJet5L driver. Using Turbo driver everything worked as it > should. > > Could be a driver problem but I don't know what. This problem occurred in Datapower too when using an LJ1100, and printers 1.53. Again using Turbo driver printed correctly. I experimented with various size borders, no content, so printer memory should not have come into it. I found that the problem kicked in when the top border was less than 3cm from the top of the page. Still not found a solution or a reason. Can anyone help? -- Derek Todd Dorset U.K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 23:36:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159774 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 23:36:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009228591:20:16403:58; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:16:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016317; 24 Dec 2001 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBOLQ0P24687 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:26:00 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBOLPwW24684 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:25:58 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16IcRq-000BkH-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:15:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:03:20 GMT Message-Id: <159767@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd see it as something like OP fills the page with white and the printer half tones the white. Normally one would not expect white to show any effect. You could experiment with setting the page colour to transparent and/or the colour of the main frame. ISTR there are some special cases. Looking at the code it seems the page is only filled when printing - and of course when the page colour is not transparent. Before putting Kyocera in the dock, one would like to see another program produce the same effect - should be easy enough to produce a white filled frame in Impression and enable screening. Probably more credible if you can do it from a Mac/Win program. Screening etc. is not a mystery. When you print to a printer of limited brightness resolution, dot patterns are used to represent shades. So called half toning. The screening settings let you control how this is done. Oh and bringing in the Tonnie Demarteau/Risc Script angle, just one spot setting 'dot' upset that combination. Looking at the maths that one is unusual, even Adobe recommended as it is. So maybe it would be interesting to know if the particular spot setting is important. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 23:37:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159778 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 23:37:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009231659:20:26990:59; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:07:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026723; 24 Dec 2001 22:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBOMHBE24882 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:17:11 GMT Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBOMH9W24879 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:17:09 GMT Received: from modem-1890.llama.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.183.98] helo=pavilion) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16IdFO-0007zD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:07:02 +0000 Message-ID: <003b01c18cc7$2a5e7ae0$62b787d9@pavilion> From: "Michael Hunter" To: References: <159755@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Frame Printing Problems Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:03:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R "David Pilling" wrote | Its just occured to me I have a LJ sat next to me, so | if you can produce a simple example... I've sent David a small example for him to try. Thanks for all the suggestions. I used to use the Turbo Printers but seem to think I had some difficulties with them and decided to use the Acorn drivers - generally without problems. I have investigated further - it is not a memory problem - I have a total of 5Mbyte more than enough for a 600dpi printer. I am having problems using the DoubleBend Draw border supplied with OvnPro. It is OK for the others provided. I have to reduce the scale to 80% for it to print the sides (it does not print at 85%) - Fit reduces the scale to 93% but does not print the sides. I tried a couple of borders from Impression - Tube printed with no problems - but Antique has uneven gaps either side of the corners - even on the screen. Anti clockwise from the corner the gap was 4mm clockwise - 1mm (using 8mm border width.) Best wishes for Christmas and a Prosperous New Year, Michael -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 24 23:58:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159785 for opro ; Mon, 24 Dec 101 23:58:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009237443:10:13812:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:44:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103274; 24 Dec 2001 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBONrYn25135 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:53:34 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBONrWW25132 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:53:32 GMT Received: from modem-53.euthyrox.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.93.181] helo=orchard-way) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Iekc-0006Yj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:43:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:20:28 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: total numper of pages Message-ID: <93611dee4a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <159710@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <159710@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <159710@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >Is there any functionality that allows macros to be inserted dynamically onto > >pages, without the need to use a mailmerge (as in (dare I use the comparison) > >MS Word)? > > No. > > >If not (which I believe to be the case), is there any chance of this > >appearing in a future update? > > I've long wanted to do this sort of thing. Using mail merge is far from ideal. > I think the main problem is that I've not thought of a brilliant way to do it. > > At one level you could just have an 'expand macros' button on the normal print > window that did the current mail merge stuff. One step beyond that would > be to have a view option that showes macros in expanded form. > > Perhaps I should ask that friendly paper clip how Word does it... > > (how to get rid of that assistant is the best Win tip I've learnt yet). > > > > David Pilling > One disadvantage of using mail merge for this, is that I *assume* you can't do it in a document which you are mail merging for more conventional purposes (two merge sources?). Or am I missing the point somewhere? -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:39:53 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159788 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:39:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009402913:20:02564:59; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:41:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002557; 26 Dec 2001 21:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBQLplo31980 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:51:47 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBQLpiW31974 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:51:44 GMT Received: (qmail 9851 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 21:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.225) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 21:40:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:52:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printing Problems To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <4aee7cc539Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 25 Dec, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <003701c18d46$a94e1b60$4d01a8c0@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > [snip description of experiments] > > ...all of which makes me continue to think that the setscreen command > concerned is, as you'd imagine from being Adobe-recommended, perfectly > valid. The problem must therefore lie in the way that Kyocera's version > of PostScript works. > > Of course, Kyocera don't claim to have printers that run PostScript and > thus avoid paying the Adobe licence... it seems to me that their > 'clean-room'-engineered softare is at fault. > > But when I suggested that to PR at ExpLAN he denied it... Does anyone > else think that I should ask him to ask Kyocera why this setscreen > command covers the page in toner when systems with "real" postscript do > not? I have a Kyocera FS-800 supplied by Explan, running in Postscript emulation, using the supplied printer driver and have never seen the problems you describe. !Printers 1.53 under RISC OS 3.70/3 (that's patch level 3). The only PostScript problem I have known was when I sent a PS file to Charles Hope who then ran it through RiScript 4.13 to produce a PDF file and it failed because of the Dot screen setting (sorry to contradict Tonnie) - changing that and sending him a new PS file and it converted OK. But John P Kerslake, also with RiScript 4.13, didn't report a problem with the original file. (This makes me wonder - Charles are you sure you did try RiScript 4.13 not an earlier version?) Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:40:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159789 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:39:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009238135:10:25211:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:55:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024475; 24 Dec 2001 23:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBP05ID25176 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:05:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBP05GW25173 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:05:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Ievz-0005DF-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:55:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:47:41 GMT Message-Id: <159783@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Frame Printing Problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro So I tried it. I have 72 MB in my LJ printer... Yes it won't print. But switch to PS mode and it prints perfectly, switch the LJ driver to 300 dpi (from 600) and it again prints OK. Presumeably the stretching going on is overloading some part of the LJ printer driver code when combined with high resolution. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:40:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159792 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:40:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009238246:10:02104:57; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:57:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002006; 24 Dec 2001 23:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBP07P925201 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:07:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBP07NW25198 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:07:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Iey3-000Fju-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:57:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:59:08 GMT Message-Id: <159786@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: total numper of pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro No I don't think thats true. As long as the macro mail merge data is not coming from a CSV file like the normal merge data. You would have to arrange the merge tags so they didn't clash. Something like page 1 of 99 is constant, doesn't depend on CSV data. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:40:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159793 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:40:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009300570:20:11097:407; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:16:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2007849; 25 Dec 2001 10:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBPB1DH26778 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:01:13 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBPB19W26772 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:01:09 GMT Received: from modem-3322.leopard.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.156.250] helo=RiscPC-1.nom) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16IpAY-0005KK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:50:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:34:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aee5b151achris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4aedfef4d7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <003901c18c00$d8a587a0$8b9087d9@pavilion> <4aedea7f52chris.dawson@aau User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Dec, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4aedea7f52chris.dawson@aaug.net>, Chris Dawson. > wrote: Hi Jeremy > > When I print from OvationPro, 2.66, in Pamphlet or Normal (well any > > I've tried so far) there are fine lines printed over the whole of the > > page (within the page limits set by Ovation) in the background. > Corduroy paper! Got it in one! > The problem is that Ovation Pro defaults to generating a "setscreen" > command which, despite being a valid PS command, seems to make the > Kyocera printer print these daft lines. Within OP print options you > need to go into the "screen" ones and turn "PS screen" off. It seems to > be "150 45 {Dot} setscreen" that actually causes the problem (if you > print to a file you can see this near the start of the PS output). Yes I see. > As far as I understand it (not far!) the PS setscreen command only > refers to something that matters when pictures are being printed on a > page (in half-toning?). [Snip] > I did discuss this issue some time ago with Paul Richardson at ExpLAN > (from whom I got my Kyocera printer): I did too - but PR couldn't remember the outcome [Snip] > This was never adequately resolved. As far as I'm concerned turning off > generation of the setscreen command when having that present doesn't > cause other users/printers problems, isn't really the point. Perhaps > there *is* a fault in Kyocera's emulation of PS? Don't know but so long as it doesn't cause a problem I'm not too fussed although I'd like to switch it odd by default, if necessary. Switching off screening seems to resolve it for now. Thanks for your help. -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:40:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159795 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:40:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009300970:20:07911:1172; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:22:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2116690; 25 Dec 2001 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBPDRlu27307 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:27:47 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBPDRiW27304 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:27:44 GMT Received: from modem-168.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.168] helo=localhost) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16IrST-0005fC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:17:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 11:37:52 GMT From: Sam Campbell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Romanian Message-ID: <9196fcfd47.sam@loudounhill.clara.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Folks Happy Christmas I am trying to find a font that has Romanian alphabet with all the extra squiggles. Any help or suggestions appreciated regards Sam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:41:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159797 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:40:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009313830:20:13022:58; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:57:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106169; 25 Dec 2001 20:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBPL6Oc28557 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:06:24 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBPL6LW28553 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:06:21 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust98.tnt27.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.148.98] with SMTP for id VAA07993 (8.8.8/1.3); Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:55:44 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000001c18d86$871774c0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <159767@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Printing Problems Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:17:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 24 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > Oh and bringing in the Tonnie Demarteau/Risc Script angle, just > one spot setting 'dot' upset that combination. Looking at > the maths that one is unusual, even Adobe recommended as it is. > So maybe it would be interesting to know if the particular spot setting > is important. It was indeed only the *dot* setting in OP and *only* with an earlier version of RiScript Pro (at least one before 4.13 or the current 4.14). At that time I tried all settings (without changing the values) that were present in OP and Impression. So, speaking about these versions of RiScript (4.13 and 4.14) and the current version of OP 2.66, I do NOT had a dot setscreen problem any more. I also had/have from the beginning no problems with distilling such a PS file with Acrobat Distiller. However, the subject is output from a hardware printer. I have a Brother HL1270N (PS Level2, 600dpi): I never had any trace of any addition to the background (like little lines as mentioned). I used the default Acorn PostScript Level2 printerdriver. Now, with the return of the subject, I have tried again (now with !Printers 1.64a with the same PS level 2 driver as in !Printers 1.64 and Select) and OP 2.66 with Dot setscreen on: same result: all is OK (RiScriptPro, Acrobat, hardware printer). I also tried again with !Printers 1.53 and PS Level1 driver: all is OK. Last thing I also did with a double blend border: LaserJet5 (Brother HL 1250) and LaserJet 6 (Brother HL 1070) drivers, both 600 dpi and 100% print of portrait A4. Again OP 2.66 without turning off Dot setscreen setting: (of course) no disturbing little lines. The vertical borders (left and right) aren't printed, whilst on screen they are within the print margins. Merry Christmas to all on the list, Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:41:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159798 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:41:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009272140:10:00556:57; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:22:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105249; 25 Dec 2001 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBP9Vjj26520 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:31:45 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBP9VgW26517 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:31:42 GMT Received: from [62.188.134.201] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Inqj-0001Mb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:26:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:26:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: total numper of pages Message-ID: <4aee07f021steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <159747@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <159747@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <159747@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Would you like to share it? > When you install Word, amongst all the options for bits and bobs > you can install or not, there is one for the office assitant - > unselect this and so don't install it. > That seems to be the most effective remedy, in my limited > experience just turning it off in the program merely results in it > springing back to life later. Oh, "DeadActors" is pretty permanent. Later versions than 97 do allow a proper turn off. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:41:35 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159801 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:41:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009277489:10:10053:57; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:51:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009689; 25 Dec 2001 10:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBPB1E426779 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:01:14 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBPB1AW26775 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:01:10 GMT Received: from modem-3322.leopard.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.156.250] helo=RiscPC-1.nom) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16IpAa-0005KK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:50:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:45:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aee5c1f30chris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <159767@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <159767@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Dec, David Pilling wrote: Hi David, > I'd see it as something like OP fills the page with white and > the printer half tones the white. Normally one would not expect > white to show any effect. > You could experiment with setting the page colour to transparent > and/or the colour of the main frame. Did this almost first - no change > ISTR there are some special cases. Looking at the code it seems > the page is only filled when printing - and of course when the page > colour is not transparent. > Before putting Kyocera in the dock, one would like to see another > program produce the same effect - should be easy enough to > produce a white filled frame in Impression and enable screening. > Probably more credible if you can do it from a Mac/Win program. I can't make Impression do it with screening on! > Screening etc. is not a mystery. When you print to a printer of > limited brightness resolution, dot patterns are used to represent > shades. So called half toning. The screening settings let you > control how this is done. > Oh and bringing in the Tonnie Demarteau/Risc Script angle, just > one spot setting 'dot' upset that combination. Looking at > the maths that one is unusual, even Adobe recommended as it is. > So maybe it would be interesting to know if the particular spot setting > is important. Having switched off screening the lines have gone, see pervious mail. Thanks -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:41:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159802 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:41:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009325778:20:27886:59; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:16:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105593; 26 Dec 2001 0:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBQ0Q2s29040 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:26:02 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBQ0Q0W29036 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:26:00 GMT Received: from modem-2936.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.107.120] helo=modem-2936) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16J1jO-0005eQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:15:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:15:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aeea63e70rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4aee5d10eachris.dawson@aaug.net> References: <159753@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aee5d10eachris.dawson@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4aee5d10eachris.dawson@aaug.net>, Chris Dawson. wrote: > On 24 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > Hi David, > > >When I print from OvationPro, 2.66, in Pamphlet or Normal (well any > > >I've tried so far) there are fine lines printed over the whole of > > >the page > > Again this rings a bell - somewhat louder than yesterdays effort. I > > think we've covered the ground well before. Anyway screening it needs > > to be either off or on. So visit the Print->separations window. > Switched off screening and bingo! the lines have gone! > > The situation is confused bugs in previous versions. Particularly one > > where the dialogue box does not show what the true setting is. So > > you've got to set it by hand. > Is there any way I can set this is default? Yes. Turn off the screening and then save the page as Default. Menu File...Save as Default. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:41:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159804 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:41:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009277734:10:25464:57; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:55:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106555; 25 Dec 2001 10:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBPB5ct26822 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:05:38 GMT Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBPB5ZW26819 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:05:35 GMT Received: from modem-3322.leopard.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.156.250] helo=RiscPC-1.nom) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16IpEu-0005mU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:55:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:56:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aee5d10eachris.dawson@aaug.net> References: <159753@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <159753@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Dec, David Pilling wrote: Hi David, > >When I print from OvationPro, 2.66, in Pamphlet or Normal (well any I've > >tried so far) there are fine lines printed over the whole of the page > Again this rings a bell - somewhat louder than yesterdays effort. > I think we've covered the ground well before. Anyway screening > it needs to be either off or on. So visit the Print->separations window. Switched off screening and bingo! the lines have gone! > The situation is confused bugs in previous versions. Particularly > one where the dialogue box does not show what the true setting is. > So you've got to set it by hand. Is there any way I can set this is default? Thanks David. -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:41:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159805 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:41:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009367965:20:05830:57; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:59:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005189; 26 Dec 2001 11:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBQC8Ej30432 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:08:14 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBQC8BW30429 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:08:11 GMT Received: from modem-1672.lemur.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.134.136] helo=RiscPC-1.nom) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16JCgp-0001aD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:57:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:52:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aeee61c90chris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4aeea63e70rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <159753@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aee5d10eachris.dawson@aaug.net> <4aeea63e70rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 26 Dec, Ray Dawson wrote: [Snip] > > > to be either off or on. So visit the Print->separations window. > > Switched off screening and bingo! the lines have gone! > > > The situation is confused bugs in previous versions. Particularly one > > > where the dialogue box does not show what the true setting is. So > > > you've got to set it by hand. > > Is there any way I can set this is default? > Yes. Turn off the screening and then save the page as Default. Menu > File...Save as Default. Thanks for the help, it should have been obvious really I suppose. Thanks again and happy new year. -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:41:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159806 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:41:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009286359:10:03073:57; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:19:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127183; 25 Dec 2001 13:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBPDT9Q27329 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:29:09 GMT Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBPDT6W27326 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:29:06 GMT Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 1Cust245.tnt14.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.122.245] with SMTP for id OAA25358 (8.8.8/1.3); Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:18:33 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003701c18d46$a94e1b60$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <159767@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Printing Problems Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:17:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 24 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > Oh and bringing in the Tonnie Demarteau/Risc Script angle, just > one spot setting 'dot' upset that combination. Looking at > the maths that one is unusual, even Adobe recommended as it is. > So maybe it would be interesting to know if the particular spot setting > is important. It was indeed only the *dot* setting in OP and *only* with an earlier version of RiScript Pro (at least one before 4.13 or the current 4.14). At that time I tried all settings (without changing the values) that were present in OP and Impression. So, speaking about these versions of RiScript (4.13 and 4.14) and the current version of OP 2.66, I do NOT had a dot setscreen problem any more. I also had/have from the beginning no problems with distilling such a PS file with Acrobat Distiller. However, the subject is output from a hardware printer. I have a Brother HL1270N (PS Level2, 600dpi): I never had any trace of any addition to the background (like little lines as mentioned). I used the default Acorn PostScript Level2 printerdriver. Now, with the return of the subject, I have tried again (now with !Printers 1.64a with the same PS level 2 driver as in !Printers 1.64 and Select) and OP 2.66 with Dot setscreen on: same result: all is OK (RiScriptPro, Acrobat, hardware printer). I also tried again with !Printers 1.53 and PS Level1 driver: all is OK. Last thing I also did with a double blend border: LaserJet5 (Brother HL 1250) and LaserJet 6 (Brother HL 1070) drivers, both 600 dpi and 100% print of portrait A4. Again OP 2.66 without turning off Dot setscreen setting: (of course) no disturbing little lines. The vertical borders (left and right) aren't printed, whilst on screen they are within the print margins. Merry Christmas to all on the list, Tonnie -- Mrs Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:41:53 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159809 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:41:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009369673:20:24962:57; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:27:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024853; 26 Dec 2001 12:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBQCbtM30570 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:37:55 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBQCbrW30566 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:37:53 GMT Received: from modem-1672.lemur.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.134.136] helo=RiscPC-1.nom) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16JD9Z-0004Ui-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:27:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Dawson." To: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:18:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aeee87635chris.dawson@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4aeee61c90chris.dawson@aaug.net> References: <159753@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aee5d10eachris.dawson@aaug.net> <4aeea63e70rayd@argonet.co.uk> <4aeee61c90chris.daws User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 26 Dec, chris.dawson@aaug.net wrote: > On 26 Dec, Ray Dawson wrote: > [Snip] > > > > to be either off or on. So visit the Print->separations window. > > > Switched off screening and bingo! the lines have gone! > > > > The situation is confused bugs in previous versions. Particularly > > > > one where the dialogue box does not show what the true setting is. > > > > So you've got to set it by hand. > > > Is there any way I can set this is default? > > Yes. Turn off the screening and then save the page as Default. Menu > > File...Save as Default. > Thanks for the help, it should have been obvious really I suppose. Is there a way of switching it off so that existing individual documents don't have to be amended separately? Thanks -- Chris... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:42:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159812 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:42:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009299884:10:22034:57; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:04:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021860; 25 Dec 2001 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBPHDa427927 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:13:36 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBPHDYW27924 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:13:34 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Iuyy-0005Ko-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:03:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: "Ovation Pro" Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 16:42:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aee7cc539Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <003701c18d46$a94e1b60$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <159767@pilling.demon.co.uk> <003701c18d46$a94e1b60$4d01a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <003701c18d46$a94e1b60$4d01a8c0@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: [snip description of experiments] ...all of which makes me continue to think that the setscreen command concerned is, as you'd imagine from being Adobe-recommended, perfectly valid. The problem must therefore lie in the way that Kyocera's version of PostScript works. Of course, Kyocera don't claim to have printers that run PostScript and thus avoid paying the Adobe licence... it seems to me that their 'clean-room'-engineered softare is at fault. But when I suggested that to PR at ExpLAN he denied it... Does anyone else think that I should ask him to ask Kyocera why this setscreen command covers the page in toner when systems with "real" postscript do not? Oh - and seasonal wotsits to everyone... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:42:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159815 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:42:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009399633:20:20041:61; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:47:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019856; 26 Dec 2001 20:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBQKv4X31799 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:57:04 GMT Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBQKv1W31796 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:57:01 GMT Received: from gwen ([213.105.145.109]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20011226204629.FQCC327.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@gwen> for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:46:29 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Romanian Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:42:25 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9196fcfd47.sam@loudounhill.clara.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Hi Folks > > Happy Christmas > I am trying to find a font that has Romanian alphabet with all the extra > squiggles. Hi Sam, Three alternatives come to mind. Firstly, Romanian uses a Latin2 encoding, so you should be able to find the characters you need in the default RISC OS fonts (at least Trinity, Homerton, Corpus) if you do *alphabet Latin2 first at an F12 prompt (*alphabet Latin1 to get back to the UK default). Alternatively, contact EFF and buy a font with a Latin2 encoding. They'll sell you a keyboard driver with a key reference chart as well if you have much to do. They're at http://www.eff.co.uk/ Finally, get Rupert Thompson's !Critic applet and associated Diacritic fonts, and roll your own squiggles. I do that for Czech (use a diacritic letter I to put the hacek on Dvorak's r). There should be a link for that on the unofficial OPro site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Best, Nick -- Dr Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:42:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159817 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:42:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009402913:20:02533:81; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:41:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117689; 26 Dec 2001 21:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBQLpnP31981 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:51:49 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBQLpkW31977 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:51:46 GMT Received: (qmail 9894 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 21:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.225) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 21:41:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:05:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Romanian To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <9196fcfd47.sam@loudounhill.clara.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 25 Dec, Sam Campbell wrote: > Hi Folks > > Happy Christmas > I am trying to find a font that has Romanian alphabet with all the extra > squiggles. > > Any help or suggestions appreciated EFF list their Latin2 fonts as suitable for Romanian try fonts@eff.co.uk or www.eff.co.uk or (01344) 875201 > regards > > Sam Interesting date on your mail Sam - Thur 25 Dec 1997 - does your computer need its date (and time?) correcting? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:42:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159822 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:42:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009392046:10:02805:58; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:40:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116929; 26 Dec 2001 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBQIoj431384 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:50:45 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBQIobW31376 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:50:42 GMT Received: from modem-2992.lynx.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.203.176] helo=pavilion) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16JIyE-00015p-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:40:06 +0000 Message-ID: <005d01c18e3c$923037a0$b0cb87d9@pavilion> From: "Michael Hunter" To: References: <159710@pilling.demon.co.uk> <93611dee4a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: total numper of pages Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:34:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro From: "Alan Adams" wrote | One disadvantage of using mail merge for this, is that I *assume* you can't | do it in a document which you are mail merging for more conventional | purposes (two merge sources?). Or am I missing the point somewhere? I can confirm what David says and it works with 'standard' merge functions. A CSV file must be specified but the total number of pages function does not read from the file. As I mentioned before I use it most of the time with virtually no effect. Best wishes for 2002 Michael -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:42:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159824 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:42:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009392049:10:03166:57; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:40:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002851; 26 Dec 2001 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBQIofJ31381 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:50:41 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBQIocW31378 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:50:38 GMT Received: from modem-2992.lynx.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.203.176] helo=pavilion) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16JIyF-00015p-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:40:07 +0000 Message-ID: <005e01c18e3c$93014340$b0cb87d9@pavilion> From: "Michael Hunter" To: References: <159783@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Frame Printing Problems Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:38:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "David Pilling" wrote | | So I tried it. I have 72 MB in my LJ printer... | Yes it won't print. But switch to PS mode and | it prints perfectly, switch the LJ driver to 300 dpi (from 600) | and it again prints OK. | | Presumeably the stretching going on is overloading some | part of the LJ printer driver code when combined with high resolution. | David, thanks for your help - I confirmed it also works here at 300dpi. I'll need to decide whether the slight reduction of resolution is a problem - or remember to be careful if using frame borders Best wishes for a prosperous 2002 Michael -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 15:43:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159823 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 15:42:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009460478:20:04833:57; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:41:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101149; 27 Dec 2001 13:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBRDotW02163 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:50:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBRDoqW02160 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:50:53 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16JalV-0002nW-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:40:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Ovation Pro Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:23:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aef7230b8Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4aee7cc539Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: [snip] > I have a Kyocera FS-800 supplied by Explan, running in Postscript > emulation, using the supplied printer driver and have never seen the > problems you describe. !Printers 1.53 under RISC OS 3.70/3 (that's > patch level 3). That's interesting; I use !Printers 1.64; ExpLAN have never suggested that 1.64 was a poor choice, just made it plain that 1.54 was to be avoided. On the other hand, since printing from apps other than OP doesn't have this problem, I don't think that the version of !Printers is relevant... The prolog & epilog files in !Printers.ps.PSFiles don't contain a setscreen command. It gets added when OP does its own PS file generation - see the Applets.!ColSupp.Library.!PSCode code; as far as I can tell this looks at OP variables to see if screening is on then generates the appropriate setscreen commands in appropriate places - for example immediately befor graphic output is generated (?). You say you don't see the problem - do you mean that the PS output is generated with the setscreen command (but everything prints ok), or do you mean that the PS output doesn't contain the setscreen command? [You can tell by printing to a file then opening that in edit.] As for RiScript: I also had problem pre-4.13 with files containing the setscreen command, and these were cleared up by 4.13. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 21:27:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159854 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 21:27:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009477740:20:16830:61; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:29:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127358; 27 Dec 2001 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBRIc1802845 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:38:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBRIbxW02841 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:37:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16JfFL-000ODt-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:27:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:14:18 GMT Message-Id: <159844@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a way of switching it off so that existing individual documents >don't have to be amended separately? Not as such. You could turn off the colour supplement. Hack the script code that contains the screening definitions and so stop it being added. It may be possible to write a script that when a document is loaded twiddles the screening value. >> produce a white filled frame in Impression and enable screening. >> Probably more credible if you can do it from a Mac/Win program. >I can't make Impression do it with screening on! Well thats interesting. Maybe like Risc Script it is only the dot spot setting that does the damage. It would be interesting to know. And if it is the case, you've got yet another way around the problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 21:27:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159856 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 21:27:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009487303:20:03591:60; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:08:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000682; 27 Dec 2001 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBRLHff03280 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:17:41 GMT Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBRLHdW03277 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:17:39 GMT Received: (qmail 9697 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 21:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.17.162) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 21:06:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:16:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printing Problems To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <4aef7230b8Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 27 Dec, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > You say you don't see the problem - do you mean that the PS output is > generated with the setscreen command (but everything prints ok), or do you > mean that the PS output doesn't contain the setscreen command? [You can > tell by printing to a file then opening that in edit.] A simple letter all in Homerton with a footnote in Trinity shows the setscreen command: 150 45 {Dot} setscreen and prints without any background. !ColPal is disabled and !ColSupp is active. I'll post as much of the postscript as might shed light on what is happening here, just tell me how much! Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 21:27:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159857 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 21:27:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009488037:20:11800:59; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:20:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111522; 27 Dec 2001 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBRLV8S03379 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:31:08 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBRLV5W03376 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:31:06 GMT Received: from [62.188.144.125] (helo=62.188.144.125) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ji1L-0003pf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:25:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:48:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aef9af053charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4aee7cc539Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 26 Dec, Anthony Hilton wrote: > The only PostScript problem I have known was when I sent a PS file to > Charles Hope who then ran it through RiScript 4.13 to produce a PDF file > and it failed because of the Dot screen setting (sorry to contradict > Tonnie) - changing that and sending him a new PS file and it converted > OK. But John P Kerslake, also with RiScript 4.13, didn't report a > problem with the original file. (This makes me wonder - Charles are you > sure you did try RiScript 4.13 not an earlier version?) That is the info I got from the icon bar. What is behind that, I've no idea. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 27 23:35:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159864 for opro ; Thu, 27 Dec 101 23:35:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009488290:20:18382:64; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:24:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124546; 27 Dec 2001 21:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBRLYmB03423 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:34:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBRLYkW03419 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:34:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Ji0N-0002u9-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:23:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:34:31 GMT Message-Id: <159850@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: New Year Calendar Tip X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, If you find yourself DTP'ing a calendar for 2002, have a look at www.davidpilling.net/calendar.html which is my calendar program than can export calendars as Draw files (or text). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 28 14:10:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159867 for opro ; Fri, 28 Dec 101 14:10:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009503129:10:23796:104; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:32:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012830; 28 Dec 2001 1:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBS1aa404131 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:36:36 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBS1aYW04128 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:36:34 GMT Received: from [62.188.156.76] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Jlqt-00012n-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:30:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:25:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip Message-ID: <4aefb46002steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4aefad0b8djdp@pandora.be> References: <159850@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aefad0b8djdp@pandora.be> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4aefad0b8djdp@pandora.be>, Jan De Poorter wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > If you find yourself DTP'ing a calendar for 2002, have a look at > > www.davidpilling.net/calendar.html > > which is my calendar program than can export calendars as Draw > > files (or text). > Works very nicely. > Now if only the names of the months and days could be customised for > other languages.... Shame the Language support in Organizer is limited: the calendar export scripts work quite nicely. I can see what David is doing here though - test programmes on the road to Ovation Pro for Windows. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 28 14:10:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159872 for opro ; Fri, 28 Dec 101 14:10:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009498082:20:12421:57; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:08:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2012295; 28 Dec 2001 0:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBS0Ghu03880 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:16:43 GMT Received: from eos.telenet-ops.be (eos.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBS0GfW03877 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:16:41 GMT Received: from riscpc.be (D5763E9E.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.62.158]) by eos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 10C0D20203 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:05:49 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:05:52 +0100 Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip Message-ID: <4aefad0b8djdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: <159850@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <159850@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.03) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > If you find yourself DTP'ing a calendar for 2002, have a look at > www.davidpilling.net/calendar.html > which is my calendar program than can export calendars as Draw > files (or text). Works very nicely. Now if only the names of the months and days could be customised for other languages.... Jan. -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 28 14:10:48 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159880 for opro ; Fri, 28 Dec 101 14:10:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009527344:10:24598:130; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:15:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013194; 28 Dec 2001 7:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBS85QT05001 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:05:26 GMT Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBS85NW04998 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:05:24 GMT Received: (qmail 1418 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 07:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.14) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 07:54:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:09:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Printing Problems To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4aef9af053charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 27 Dec, charles.hope wrote: > On 26 Dec, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > The only PostScript problem I have known was when I sent a PS file to > > Charles Hope who then ran it through RiScript 4.13 to produce a PDF file > > and it failed because of the Dot screen setting (sorry to contradict > > Tonnie) - changing that and sending him a new PS file and it converted > > OK. But John P Kerslake, also with RiScript 4.13, didn't report a > > problem with the original file. (This makes me wonder - Charles are you > > sure you did try RiScript 4.13 not an earlier version?) > > That is the info I got from the icon bar. What is behind that, I've no > idea. As others report the problem was sorted with the release of 4.13 I wonder if you upgraded from an earlier version? If you did maybe something from the earlier version is still lying around getting in the way. If not, maybe the upgrade to 4.13 fixed the problem in older versions but a "new" copy of 4.13 didn't. Is there any other explanation for this difference in behaviour between different copies of RiScript 4.13? Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 28 14:10:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159882 for opro ; Fri, 28 Dec 101 14:10:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009541680:10:14049:161; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:14:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1002699; 28 Dec 2001 11:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBSBt0P05607 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:55:00 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBSBswW05604 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:54:58 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16JvQi-000BGm-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:44:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: Ovation Pro Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:51:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4aefe81ee7Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4aef7230b8Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > A simple letter all in Homerton with a footnote in Trinity shows the > setscreen command: > 150 45 {Dot} setscreen > and prints without any background. > !ColPal is disabled and !ColSupp is active. > I'll post as much of the postscript as might shed light on what is > happening here, just tell me how much! I don't know how much... Could you email me the PS file? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 28 14:11:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159895 for opro ; Fri, 28 Dec 101 14:11:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009535200:20:15301:68; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:26:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105198; 28 Dec 2001 10:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBSAbBm05385 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:37:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBSAb8W05382 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:37:08 GMT Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16JuDP-000DVm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:26:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:57:11 +0100 From: nico ter haar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip Message-ID: <9ab0ddef4a.nico@neptune.demon.nl> References: <159850@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aefad0b8djdp@pandora.be> <4aefb46002steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4aefb46002steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: neptune User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4aefb46002steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <4aefad0b8djdp@pandora.be>, > Jan De Poorter wrote: > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > If you find yourself DTP'ing a calendar for 2002, have a look at > > > > www.davidpilling.net/calendar.html > > > > which is my calendar program than can export calendars as Draw > > > files (or text). > > > Works very nicely. > > Now if only the names of the months and days could be customised for > > other languages.... > > I can see what David is doing here though - test programmes on the road to > Ovation Pro for Windows. > Hmm, calendar has been available for years ... -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 28 18:38:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159908 for opro ; Fri, 28 Dec 101 18:38:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009550277:20:12244:71; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:37:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011902; 28 Dec 2001 14:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBSElkr06037 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:47:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBSElhW06034 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:47:43 GMT Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Jy7s-000KUD-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:36:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:35:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <9ab0ddef4a.nico@neptune.demon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 28 Dec, nico ter haar wrote: > In message <4aefb46002steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> > Steven Pampling wrote: > > > In article <4aefad0b8djdp@pandora.be>, > > Jan De Poorter wrote: > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > If you find yourself DTP'ing a calendar for 2002, have a look at > > > > > > www.davidpilling.net/calendar.html > > > > > > which is my calendar program than can export calendars as Draw > > > > files (or text). > > > > > Works very nicely. > > > Now if only the names of the months and days could be customised for > > > other languages.... > > > > I can see what David is doing here though - test programmes on the road to > > Ovation Pro for Windows. > > > Hmm, calendar has been available for years ... Maybe so, but if you go to the download page, you will also find a Windows version available... Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 28 18:38:32 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159910 for opro ; Fri, 28 Dec 101 18:38:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009550764:20:25215:63; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:46:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025041; 28 Dec 2001 14:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBSEubq06085 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:56:37 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBSEuZW06082 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:56:35 GMT Received: from [62.188.156.59] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16JyKy-0000u0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:50:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:52:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip Message-ID: <4aeff334f2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9ab0ddef4a.nico@neptune.demon.nl> References: <159850@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aefad0b8djdp@pandora.be> <4aefb46002steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> <9ab0ddef4a.nico@n User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <9ab0ddef4a.nico@neptune.demon.nl>, nico ter haar wrote: > In message <4aefb46002steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> > Steven Pampling wrote: > Hmm, calendar has been available for years ... Both sides of the fence? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 28 23:36:16 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159924 for opro ; Fri, 28 Dec 101 23:36:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009579942:20:22536:61; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:52:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104402; 28 Dec 2001 22:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBSN2Oc07187 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:02:24 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBSN2LW07184 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:02:21 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16K5qT-000OCt-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:51:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:54:21 GMT Message-Id: <159914@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Now if only the names of the months and days could be customised for >other languages.... See version 1.03 which I've just uploaded - which has a Messages file allowing customisation/translation. Maybe if you send me translations I'll add a menu allowing the language to be selected. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 29 13:34:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159928 for opro ; Sat, 29 Dec 101 13:34:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009585708:20:29877:56; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:28:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102053; 29 Dec 2001 0:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBT0ZQe07454 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:35:26 GMT Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBT0ZNW07451 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:35:24 GMT Received: from onetel.net.uk (async217-1.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.97.217]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACH54309; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:24:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: OvationPro list Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:26:28 +0100 Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip Message-ID: <4af02d4666rogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <9ab0ddef4a.nico@neptune.demon.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Stephen Parkin wrote: > > Maybe so, but if you go to the download page, you will also find a > Windows version available... Yes and typically the Windows version is five times the size of the unzipped RISCOS version. Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 29 13:36:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159964 for opro ; Sat, 29 Dec 101 13:36:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009620258:10:07316:56; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:04:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005747; 29 Dec 2001 10:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBTAECC08847 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:14:12 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBTAEAW08844 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:14:10 GMT Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16KGKV-0004te-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:03:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:05:43 +0100 From: nico ter haar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip Message-ID: <774e62f04a.nico@neptune.demon.nl> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: neptune User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.24) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Stephen Parkin wrote: > In on Fri 28 Dec, nico ter haar wrote: > > In message <4aefb46002steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> > > Steven Pampling wrote: > > > > > In article <4aefad0b8djdp@pandora.be>, > > > Jan De Poorter wrote: > > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > > If you find yourself DTP'ing a calendar for 2002, have a look at > > > > > > > > www.davidpilling.net/calendar.html > > > > > > > > which is my calendar program than can export calendars as Draw > > > > > files (or text). > > > > > > > Works very nicely. > > > > Now if only the names of the months and days could be customised for > > > > other languages.... > > > > > > I can see what David is doing here though - test programmes on the road to > > > Ovation Pro for Windows. > > > > > Hmm, calendar has been available for years ... > > > Maybe so, but if you go to the download page, you will also find a Windows > version available... > OK, everything's clear now. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 29 13:36:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159970 for opro ; Sat, 29 Dec 101 13:36:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009619763:20:01382:56; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:56:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2001335; 29 Dec 2001 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBTA64R08776 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:06:04 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBTA61W08772 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:06:01 GMT Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16KGCd-0008ZS-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:54:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:53:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: New Year Calendar Tip To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <4af02d4666rogersps@onetel.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Fri 28 Dec, Roger Penniceard wrote: > In article , Stephen > Parkin wrote: > > > > Maybe so, but if you go to the download page, you will also find a > > Windows version available... > > Yes and typically the Windows version is five times the size of the > unzipped RISCOS version. > > LOL! I didn't bother to download it... Regards, Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 29 15:13:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159980 for opro ; Sat, 29 Dec 101 15:13:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009634894:10:02698:61; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:08:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000329; 29 Dec 2001 14:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBTEIAW09483 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:18:10 GMT Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBTEI7W09480 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:18:07 GMT Received: from [62.188.143.197] (helo=62.188.143.197) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16KKD1-00078b-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:11:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:31:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Problems Message-ID: <4af0124016charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4aef9af053charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 27 Dec, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Thu 27 Dec, charles.hope wrote: > As others report the problem was sorted with the release of 4.13 I > wonder if you upgraded from an earlier version? If you did maybe > something from the earlier version is still lying around getting in the > way. If not, maybe the upgrade to 4.13 fixed the problem in older > versions but a "new" copy of 4.13 didn't. ISTR that I had an upgrade. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 29 15:13:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA159982 for opro ; Sat, 29 Dec 101 15:13:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1009638552:10:12564:56; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:09:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012490; 29 Dec 2001 15:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBTFJsq09706 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:19:54 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBTFJpW09703 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:19:51 GMT Received: from modem-45.silver.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.39.45] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16KL6H-0006RV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:08:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:40:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: Printing Problems To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 27 Dec, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Thu 27 Dec, charles.hope wrote: > > On 26 Dec, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > > > The only PostScript problem I have known was when I sent a PS file to > > > Charles Hope who then ran it through RiScript 4.13 to produce a PDF file > > > and it failed because of the Dot screen setting (sorry to contradict > > > Tonnie) - changing that and sending him a new PS file and it converted > > > OK. But John P Kerslake, also with RiScript 4.13, didn't report a > > > problem with the original file. (This makes me wonder - Charles are you > > > sure you did try RiScript 4.13 not an earlier version?) > > > > That is the info I got from the icon bar. What is behind that, I've no > > idea. > > As others report the problem was sorted with the release of 4.13 I wonder if > you upgraded from an earlier version? If you did maybe something from the > earlier version is still lying around getting in the way. If not, maybe the > upgrade to 4.13 fixed the problem in older versions but a "new" copy of 4.13 > didn't. > > Is there any other explanation for this difference in behaviour between > different copies of RiScript 4.13? > > Anthony Hilton > It did take 3 tries before the file converted. However this frequently happens. I am using a riscstation. with OS 4.03 which is under the recomended processor speck. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message