From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 1 03:36:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154784 for opro ; Sat, 01 Sep 101 03:36:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999294714:10:19319:60; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:51:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019243; 31 Aug 2001 21:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7VM4Ic29532 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:04:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7VM4Gp29529 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:04:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15cwB7-000B5j-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:50:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:07:32 GMT Message-Id: <154772@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ISTR seeing this week that GhostScript is being touted as the solution to the printer driver problem for Linux. I guess everything prints in PostScript and GS is then equiped with the set of printer drivers. Might yet come to be relevant here. I know my own experience was that finding the right flags in GhostScript to get a particular type of output was a struggle but when I did, it was very useful. I had a document in PS off the web, and I used GS to print it to a Group 4 fax TIFF file of high enough resolution, which I could then easily print from ArcFax to my Laser Direct. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 1 03:36:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154785 for opro ; Sat, 01 Sep 101 03:36:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999306431:20:15456:61; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:07:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128173; 1 Sep 2001 1:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f811Kuk29804 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:20:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow025o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f811Ksp29801 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:20:54 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:07:04 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:06:47 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <154772@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364633 days, 22 hours, 53 minutes, 13 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 31 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > ISTR seeing this week that GhostScript is being touted > as the solution to the printer driver problem for Linux. > I guess everything prints in PostScript and GS is then > equiped with the set of printer drivers. > > Might yet come to be relevant here. > > I know my own experience was that finding the right flags in > GhostScript to get a particular type of output was a struggle > but when I did, it was very useful. There already /are/ printer drivers in Ghostscript. The one I tried a couple of times with my old Epson 660 actually produced better output than the one in !Printers. It does seem one way to go. Platform independent printer drivers! Brilliant. I've /absolutely/ no doubt it is useful. It's just that every time I try to use it I have to start all over again. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 Eighty percent of all people consider themselves to be above average drivers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 1 03:36:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154786 for opro ; Sat, 01 Sep 101 03:36:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999306326:11:03438:60; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:05:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026122; 1 Sep 2001 1:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f811IOe29764 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:18:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow025o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f811ILp29761 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:18:21 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:04:33 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:04:19 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <154763@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364633 days, 22 hours, 55 minutes, 41 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f811IOf29764 Status: R On Fri 31 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > I was thinking of some sort of automatic set up, so that > everything went on without any need for you to issue commands > by hand. That would be useful and I'm pretty certain that's how the authors of GS intended it to be. > As we discussed privately one way is to use SPrinter on the Acorn and s= hip > a bit map across the network to the Mac for printing. The objection to = that > seems to be the size of the files unless you have Gigabit Ethernet. Yeh, well, I did try that. Works too. Only problem is, as you say, the fi= les are enormous. A single page of A4 in 16M colours came out somewhere aroun= d 40Mb as I recall. Bit of a no-no really. > So I thought the idea of PS was to get over the size problem, ship PS o= ver > the net and then use Mac GhostScript, which naively I assumed would be = well > developed, or maybe some inherent PS support in Mac OS, like display PS= ? Would you like me to attach a picture of the main window so you can compa= re it to the RO version? I think the problem essentially is probably the GNU licence which forbids= you from making money out of it (I think). If you can't make money out of it = then generally speaking Mac programmers don't make it available. So it seems t= o me anyway. They all seem to be incredibly wealthy. While trying to sort out = my problem with Apple ColorSync one guy seriously suggested I went out and bought a piece of kit for $1999.99. I don't mind paying for decent software and have bought various things. I= t's those little things that people in the RO community write for fun that se= em to be missing. A thing I downloaded yesterday lets you (a) use any font a= s the system font (b) change the size of the scroll bars and (c) get rid of= the italics in the names of aliases/shortcuts. Now that's the sort of thing t= hat you find for free or at the most charityware in the RO world but no, the = guy wants $9 for it or it stops working after nine restarts. > Sounds like the Mac would offer hope to us redundant RISC OS programmer= s? > (just like Acorn told us in 1995...) I wouldn't have thought you'd have any problem making a living out of shareware. The authors nearly all seem to use an organisation called Kagi= to which you send your credit card details then they email you the code to s= top the goddamn thing complaining you haven't paid for it. If you made OP and some of your other things, but OP especially, available for the Mac you'd probably do OK making it shareware for say, =A3150-=A3200 or even less if= you aren't too greedy and who ever heard of a greedy RO programmer? Hungry, maybe, but greedy?! There simply isn't a decent DTP package available at = a price normal people can afford. The window origin's at the bottom by the = way if you want to make a start! --=20 Pete =3D=3D=3D=3D +44 77= 11 501 757 Palindrome isn't one. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 1 14:00:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154791 for opro ; Sat, 01 Sep 101 13:59:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999312531:11:19401:60; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 02:48:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119268; 1 Sep 2001 2:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f81324230019 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:02:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f81320p30012 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:02:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15d0pD-000PkE-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:47:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 03:33:35 GMT Message-Id: <154782@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.66 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I've now promoted Ovation Pro 2.66 to official latest version. So it is available from the Ovation Pro upgrade pages on my web sites. At a guess www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade.html... I've updated the free demo version to 2.66 too, so no moaning about not being able to give away documents. Finally it needs saying again, 2.66 is not backwards compatible, so anything you save from 2.66 won't load into versions older than 2.64. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 1 14:00:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154790 for opro ; Sat, 01 Sep 101 13:59:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999312543:20:01482:60; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 02:49:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112422; 1 Sep 2001 2:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f81325N30020 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:02:05 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f81321p30016 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:02:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15d0pE-000PkE-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:48:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 03:36:55 GMT Message-Id: <154788@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I was thinking of some sort of automatic set up, so that >That would be useful and I'm pretty certain that's how the authors of GS >intended it to be. Well being UNIX programmers they probably think it is quite simple. But yes setting up scripts to drive such tools is a way. >Would you like me to attach a picture of the main window so you can compare >it to the RO version? Not really ;-) >from making money out of it (I think). If you can't make money out of it then >generally speaking Mac programmers don't make it available. So it seems to me >anyway. They all seem to be incredibly wealthy. Could be the Mac seems to be a trendy machine (cf the first episode of Ab Fab tonight where a Mac cube was lurking in the background). >The window origin's at the bottom by the way if you want to make a start! Like RISC OS. Of course for Windows (TM) the origin is at the top left and positive y is downwards. Quite logical, just a pity all my software works the Acorn way. By the sound of it we should trade, you can use Windows where there's lots of software, free software even seems plentiful. And I can go retire on the basis of writing some Mac stuff. I think in the Win market you get lots and lots of people writing a given program, and they end up competing on price until someone gives it away and hopes to make something out of having market share. Then lots of things are free for home use - get 'em hooked at home and they might buy a copy for work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 1 14:00:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154792 for opro ; Sat, 01 Sep 101 14:00:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999328490:10:26705:0; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 07:14:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119520; 1 Sep 2001 7:14 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15d4zQ-000Mjt-0A for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 07:14:49 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 08:13:46 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 Message-ID: References: <154782@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154782@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R On 1 Sep 2001, in message <154782@pilling.demon.co.uk>, you wrote: > Hi, > > I've now promoted Ovation Pro 2.66 to official latest version. > So it is available from the Ovation Pro upgrade pages on my > web sites. At a guess www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade.html... > Great, thanks, David, but that URL 404s. You meant, of course, www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/ cheers, -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk From jonathan@perryrob.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 1 14:00:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154793 for opro ; Sat, 01 Sep 101 14:00:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999336734:20:29747:6; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 09:32:14 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.88]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109301; 1 Sep 2001 9:31 GMT Received: from perryrob.demon.co.uk ([158.152.12.209]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15d77a-0009Un-0U for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 10:31:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jonathan Robinson To: David Pilling Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 08:52:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 Message-ID: <4ab3131c13jonathan@perryrob.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154782@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154782@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Folks, Just thought you ought to see this. You should note that David has upgraded his demo version. We can now set a date for the club to start using version 2.66 can we Tony? In article <154782@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've now promoted Ovation Pro 2.66 to official latest version. > So it is available from the Ovation Pro upgrade pages on my > web sites. At a guess www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade.html... > I've updated the free demo version to 2.66 too, so no moaning about > not being able to give away documents. > Finally it needs saying again, 2.66 is not backwards compatible, > so anything you save from 2.66 won't load into versions older than 2.64. Regards -- Jonathan Robinson - A StrongARM RiscPC User Derbyshire Area Risc Club (DARC) http://www.darc-comp.org.uk e-mail: jonathan@perryrob.demon.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 1 14:00:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154799 for opro ; Sat, 01 Sep 101 14:00:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999346435:20:28412:60; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 12:13:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105542; 1 Sep 2001 12:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f81CQd530549 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:26:39 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f81CQap30546 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:26:36 +0100 Received: from [62.188.154.132] (helo=UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15d9WZ-0003oZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:05:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 08:47:21 +0100 Subject: Grouped frames vanishing when ungrouped Message-ID: <4ab312a7b3bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154772@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154772@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I had a couple of grouped frames on a normal page. I copied them to a master page as a group and deleted the originals. No problem. I then ungrouped the new frames on the master page. When I returned to my main page the frames vanished. This problem arose because I created some frames and then wanted to make them into masters. Clearly, I can solve the problem by creating them as ungrouped frames on the master page in the first place. But this does not explain why the frames vanished. Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 1 16:07:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154815 for opro ; Sat, 01 Sep 101 16:07:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999352095:20:25359:60; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:48:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024495; 1 Sep 2001 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f81E1AA30711 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:01:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f81E17p30708 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:01:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15dB6y-000FCK-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:47:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 14:28:16 GMT Message-Id: <154809@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grouped frames vanishing when ungrouped X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If you go create 2 frames group cut open master pages paste ungroup close master pages that works but I believe there are some subtle problems with ungrouping master page groups which have existed on the document page. At a guess something like OPro seeing the group has gone and so removing the frames. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 5 21:34:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154826 for opro ; Wed, 05 Sep 101 21:34:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999428541:20:17489:60; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 11:02:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107608; 2 Sep 2001 11:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f82BCJs31668 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 12:12:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f82BC7p31665 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 12:12:17 +0100 Received: from [62.188.142.72] (helo=UKARG/pa73.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15dUpo-00052m-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 11:50:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Ansell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 11:59:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Grouped frames vanishing when ungrouped Message-ID: <4ab3a81531bob.ansell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154809@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154809@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <154809@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > If you go > create 2 frames > group > cut > open master pages > paste > ungroup > close master pages > that works I have just tried it again as above and it does work. But my sequence was slightly different and should offer the clue to the bug. Try create 2 frames group cut (or copy) open master pages paste close master pages open them again ungroup close master pages Frames vanish on closing master pages. Bob -- Bob Ansell Bob.Ansell@Argonet.co.uk Bob.Ansell@EdWeb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 5 21:34:48 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154829 for opro ; Wed, 05 Sep 101 21:34:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999506959:10:28405:66; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 08:49:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109930; 3 Sep 2001 8:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8392KZ32729 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 10:02:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (root@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8392Hp32726 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 10:02:17 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f838lbH02785 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:47:38 +0100 Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:45:02 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > I think the problem essentially is probably the GNU licence which forbids you > from making money out of it (I think). If you can't make money out of it then > generally speaking Mac programmers don't make it available. The GNU license doesn't actually stop you making money, you are just not allowed to sell the software, only support services. I would guess that part of the problem is Richard Stallman & the GNU FSF attitude to Macs in the late 80s early 90s. Richard Stallman took exception (probably quite rightly) to Apples attempt to sue for copying the "look & feel" of a piece of software. Because of this all Apple products were black-listed by GNU & the FSF. So it is only in recent years that GNU software has become available on Macs. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 5 21:34:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154832 for opro ; Wed, 05 Sep 101 21:34:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999538867:10:00580:61; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 17:41:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118148; 3 Sep 2001 17:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f83HrZU00801 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:53:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f83HrWp00798 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:53:32 +0100 Received: from pd9506581.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.80.101.129] (sbellon) by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15dxgW-0000y3-00; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:38:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:37:32 +0200 Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 Message-ID: <4ab4505be9sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e-1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro wrote: [snip] > The GNU license doesn't actually stop you making money, you are just > not allowed to sell the software, only support services. And you may of course charge for distribution and administration cost. I.e. sell a CD with the software on it for ukp 5 or 10, whatever you can reasonable justify. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page Please all, and you will please none. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 5 21:35:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154850 for opro ; Wed, 05 Sep 101 21:35:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999635318:10:27024:60; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:28:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026896; 4 Sep 2001 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f84KeWI02187 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:40:32 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (root@obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f84KeTp02184 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:40:29 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-2-2-dialup-143.spectraweb.ch [194.230.204.143]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id WAA02968 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:25:31 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:24:42 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Loading OvPro's Filters To: OVATIONP-L Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Some time ago, but only seen today, there was a question about how to have OvpRo's Filters loaded automatically. There were quite a few useful replies. But at all times remained the problem that when updating your system, one loses track of what was done. Therefore the following idea, born out of repeated loss of the Filters being active. And using a RO4 set up. I use a main directory 'DTP_new'. It has -now- many sub-directories, each with its own version of OvPro. One of the other sub-directories within 'DTP_new' is named 'FILTERS'. Now this directory has all the Filters presently available plus a ReadMe textfile I added. Within this ReadMe file is stated: These filters are loaded by: ADFS::HD4.$.!Boot.Choices.Boot.Desktop (HD4 being my primary hard disc from which the whole system is booted) The file ........ Desktop gives indications on how to use it. You can add instructions between a |Start and an |End. I therefore added the following lines somewhere near the end, just before the line that reads "|Start RISCOS !Boot 0.26 Options:": |Start initialise OvationPro's 0.00
Repeat Filer_Boot ADFS::HD4.$.'A.DTP_new.Filters -Applications -Tasks |End (I use the directory 'A for all technical files, and 'B for all data files. Making it easier to back up my data files. In the above 0.00 just stands for 'any version'; my idea.) In this way I can easily find and update the Filters (present in the main OvPro directory) and need not worry that the newest version is not used when loading any of the versions of OvPro. By the way: I have !Words in $.!Boot.Choices.Boot.PreDesk. Result: all dictionaries available for OvPro and for our old loyal Ovation 1.48 as well. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 5 21:35:34 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154854 for opro ; Wed, 05 Sep 101 21:35:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999640411:10:23626:61; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:53:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109411; 4 Sep 2001 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f84M7w602370 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:07:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f84M7sp02363 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:07:54 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust34.tnt7.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.108.34] with SMTP for id XAA05902 (8.8.8/1.3); Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:53:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001c01c1358c$05f461c0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:59:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed Aug 29, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Wed 29 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > > Based on my statement: > > >Well I manually copied the font into !fonts. There was no Messages1 > > snip some > > David continues: > > > > Its one of those things where time has gone by and things have changed. > > To a programmer (i.e. me) a font is a plain folder and you install them by > > copying into a !Fonts folder. Thats how it was 13 years ago... When did it > > change, and why did no one tell me. > > It changed when some software added their own fonts and had the idea to > make things (so-called) easier for installing, added a complete font > folder. Which then could be "melted" together with the existing Fonts > folder. Because RO4 (maybe some earlier versions as well) has a font > merge posibility. > But in principle nothing changed. > > So basically there are 3 ways of adding fonts: > > 1. As was done umpteen years ago (I did this already 17 years ago!) > This means simply dragging the the font folder into the !Fonts > directory wherever it is, actually the easiest way; > 2. Or by using the ROS facility within the Boot structure, i.e using > the font-merge utility existing with RiscOs 4 (and maybe earlier > versions); > 3. Or by adding the font into a font manager (EasyPro et all) > There is a 4th way, that can make the loading of the POBar font easier. That is by using the *Fontinstall command, which has to be followed by the *path* of the directory in which the POBar font is. Example: Copy the POBar fontdirectory in the Ovation Pro application add the line Fontinstall . to the !Boot file of Ovation Pro. Note the period ! Every time !Ovation Pro is loaded, the POBar font is installed, before the Barcode applet. Note: this command is also used in the !Boot file of the !Fonts folder in !Boot.Resources and -if I recall correctly- also already in !Fonts folders before the new boot structure. It would certainly be nicer, when this fontinstall was done *within* the Bar Codes applets, so that the font only is loaded, when the Bar Code applet is installed. Maybe this *Fontinstall command can be incorporated ... mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 5 21:35:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154855 for opro ; Wed, 05 Sep 101 21:35:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999640411:10:23719:60; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:53:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109410; 4 Sep 2001 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f84M80Y02371 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:08:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f84M7tp02367 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:07:55 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust34.tnt7.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.108.34] with SMTP for id XAA05905 (8.8.8/1.3); Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:53:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001d01c1358c$06a86f80$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:28:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 31 Aug, Peter Gaunt wrote: > On Thu 30 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >So far the complaints from RiScript have always been about the 'setscreen' > > >command in the Postscript file. If I remove those it has always complained > > >about 'sqrt' and if I remove /those/ then it'll complain about something > > >else. BTW it could be solved in the PostScript file by adding %% before the line. This changes the command into a remark. Loading the PostScript file in !Edit and use Find "SetScreen". > > > > If you look in the mail list archives, Tonnie Demarteau has covered this > > problem thoroughly. > > I had a look back about a year and found something in April this year. Not > read it yet so not sure whether it solves the problem (though since you say > it does it probably does!). > > > I think the quick answer is to change the PS screen spot type in OP. > > Or, indeed, just turn it off altogether which seems to make it work. I > understand Postscript about as well as understand how to speak Bengali (of > which I know a few swear words and how to say OK). > I had this problem with a version prior to 4.13. The latest RiScript Pro 4.13 doesn't complain about any of the setscreen commands. The problem with the {Dot} setting is solved. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 5 21:35:42 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154857 for opro ; Wed, 05 Sep 101 21:35:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999646721:10:17126:66; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:38:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017091; 4 Sep 2001 23:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f84Nr8v02622 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:53:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f84Nr5p02619 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:53:05 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:48:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:48:24 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <001d01c1358c$06a86f80$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364630 days, 1 hour, 11 minutes, 36 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 04 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > I had this problem with a version prior to 4.13. The latest RiScript Pro > 4.13 doesn't complain about any of the setscreen commands. The problem with > the {Dot} setting is solved. Odd. Mine does, also 4.13. Still, if I turn it off altogether it's fine and, more importantly, the prints I get via my Mac are also fine. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 Nothing dispels enthusiasm like a small admission fee. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 5 21:36:05 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154870 for opro ; Wed, 05 Sep 101 21:36:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999710762:10:14040:63; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:26:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013648; 5 Sep 2001 17:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f85HdUa03614 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:39:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (root@obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f85HdRp03611 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:39:27 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-2-1-dialup-31.spectraweb.ch [194.230.203.31]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id TAA09349 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:23:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:48:23 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <001c01c1358c$05f461c0$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 04 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > There is a 4th way, that can make the loading of the POBar font easier. > That is by using the *Fontinstall command, which has to be followed by the > *path* of the directory in which the POBar font is. Indeed a very nice 4th solution as the POBar font is then only loaded when using OvPro. I did not think that far as I also use the POBar font with other programs when I need to drag addresses in special letters using envelopes with windows. This can be Ovation v1.42S, EasiWriter, Fireworkz or TEXTease. The postal coding is present in my database as Ascii characters. Applying the POBar font changes these characters to the Postal bar code. So I have the POBar font loaded at all times. How to save the Postal bar code as Ascii characters? Create the bar code using the POBar applet. Mark this code and save it as selection into Edit. This text can then be saved into your database. (You can easily copy the Edit text using !PtrCopy by Ran Mokady (c)1990. It is PD. To be used with the System font. It is bundled with !Tiger5, available from APDL.) Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 6 03:37:48 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154902 for opro ; Thu, 06 Sep 101 03:37:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999728408:20:21187:63; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:20:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020904; 5 Sep 2001 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f85MWjI03910 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:32:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f85MWgp03907 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:32:42 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust50.tnt10.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.114.50] with SMTP for id AAA15628 (8.8.8/1.3); Thu, 6 Sep 2001 00:17:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002e01c13658$9f23f3c0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:15:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 05 Sep, Peter Gaunt wrote: > On Tue 04 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > I had this problem with a version prior to 4.13. The latest RiScript Pro > > 4.13 doesn't complain about any of the setscreen commands. The problem with > > the {Dot} setting is solved. > > Odd. Mine does, also 4.13. Still, if I turn it off altogether it's fine and, > more importantly, the prints I get via my Mac are also fine. > It is odd indeed. I have tried a lot of my older and newer OvP files with fonts and bitmaps in OvP 266, Setscreen {Dot} on, PostScript printing with Printers 1.64 (Level 2), RiScript Pro 4.13 didn't complain at all. I haven't made separations. There is a HTM file (RiScript PostScript Command Compatibility) on the support disc about the commands RiScript Pro supports. About the setcreen command it states that it is partially implemented and that it doesn't support halftone screens. A continuously updated version of this table may be found at: www.cerilica.com/riscript/compat.htm BTW, when I had this problem with an older version of RiScript Pro, printing to my PostScript printer or distil the PostScript file in Acrobat 3 was fine. Maybe you can try to find the culprit: text or graphics by printing to file without pictures. It would be nice, when the co-operation between OvP and RiScript Pro could be made as optimal as possible. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 6 13:28:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154914 for opro ; Thu, 06 Sep 101 13:28:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999743731:10:24360:63; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 02:35:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024347; 6 Sep 2001 2:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f862nop04219 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 03:49:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f862nmp04216 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 03:49:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ep04-0001Fu-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 02:34:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:55:39 GMT Message-Id: <154894@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Because of this all Apple products were black-listed by GNU & the FSF. >So it is only in recent years that GNU software has become available >on Macs. Amusing then to read Mac World USA proclaiming how great it is that MAC OS X is UNIX based so they have access to lots of open source software. But then again amusing to read about the fully antialiased text on the new desktop, what a break through, why did no one think of it before 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 6 23:13:52 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154944 for opro ; Thu, 06 Sep 101 23:13:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999805339:11:19938:67; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:42:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004168; 6 Sep 2001 19:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f86Ju3R05223 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:56:03 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.123]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f86Ju0p05220 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:56:00 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:40:57 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:40:41 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <154894@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364628 days, 4 hours, 19 minutes, 19 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >Because of this all Apple products were black-listed by GNU & the FSF. > >So it is only in recent years that GNU software has become available > >on Macs. > > Amusing then to read Mac World USA proclaiming how great it is that > MAC OS X is UNIX based so they have access to lots of open source software. It's also quite amusing to read in Mac mags all the help they have to give to Mac users about that thing which has always been alien to them: the command line. I never have understood how you can do /completely/ without one really. > But then again amusing to read about the fully antialiased text on the new > desktop, what a break through, why did no one think of it before 8-) I've pointed this out on Mac newsgroups too and half the time they don't believe me except when they happen to have come across an Acorn machine (quite a number have, even in the States). They've had anti-aliasing for some time in their older OSes and, to be fair, it does actually look slightly better than Risc OS's. Somehow, narrow lines especially seem to benefit. Perhaps not surprising given that they've had an extra 15 years to work on it! I've still not seen a Windows box with anti-aliasing turned on. Is it that dire that no one uses it or what? -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 In politics stupidity is not a handicap. - Napoleon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 6 23:14:03 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154945 for opro ; Thu, 06 Sep 101 23:13:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999805421:10:05993:60; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:43:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005742; 6 Sep 2001 19:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f86JwY705262 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:58:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f86JwVp05259 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:58:31 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:43:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:43:17 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <002e01c13658$9f23f3c0$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364628 days, 4 hours, 16 minutes, 43 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 05 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Wed 05 Sep, Peter Gaunt wrote: > > > > On Tue 04 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > > > I had this problem with a version prior to 4.13. The latest RiScript Pro > > > 4.13 doesn't complain about any of the setscreen commands. The problem with > > > the {Dot} setting is solved. > > > > Odd. Mine does, also 4.13. Still, if I turn it off altogether it's fine and, > > more importantly, the prints I get via my Mac are also fine. > > > There is a HTM file (RiScript PostScript Command Compatibility) on the > support disc about the commands RiScript Pro supports. About the setcreen > command it states that it is partially implemented and that it doesn't > support halftone screens. I still haven't received the discs from Cerilica, which reminds me that I must chase them up about it. > Maybe you can try to find the culprit: text or graphics by printing to file > without pictures. It would be nice, when the co-operation between OvP and > RiScript Pro could be made as optimal as possible. I'll try to do that when I get the chance. Memory is though that it last affected a file which consisted of nothing but a picture in a frame with a border. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 The English instinctively admire any man who has no talent and is modest about it. - James Agee -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 7 13:51:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154960 for opro ; Fri, 07 Sep 101 13:50:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999827893:20:28272:62; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 01:58:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118848; 7 Sep 2001 1:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f872AAB05672 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 03:10:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f872A8p05669 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 03:10:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15fAr2-0006t9-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:54:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:46:27 GMT Message-Id: <154952@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I've pointed this out on Mac newsgroups too and half the time they don't >believe me except when they happen to have come across an Acorn machine I see this as the big problem, who will ever believe the Acorn story. I'm sure people would think there was some catch or exageration. >it! I've still not seen a Windows box with anti-aliasing turned on. Is it >that dire that no one uses it or what? In a word rubbish. Hardly has any effect. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 7 13:51:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154963 for opro ; Fri, 07 Sep 101 13:51:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999854872:11:10035:65; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:27:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025389; 7 Sep 2001 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f879dVD06110 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:39:31 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f879dTp06107 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:39:29 +0100 Received: from [62.188.192.153] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15fHkb-0005Gm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 10:16:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:12:07 +0100 Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 Message-ID: <4ab6267219steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154952@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154952@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <154952@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >it! I've still not seen a Windows box with anti-aliasing turned on. Is it > >that dire that no one uses it or what? > In a word rubbish. Hardly has any effect. Oh it does, it's just that the effect isn't /beneficial/ -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 7 22:42:34 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154988 for opro ; Fri, 07 Sep 101 22:42:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999895710:10:29729:68; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 20:48:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114902; 7 Sep 2001 20:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f87L2DW06866 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:02:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f87L2Ap06863 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:02:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15fSWO-000Es2-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:46:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 17:40:46 GMT Message-Id: <154979@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Oh it does, it's just that the effect isn't /beneficial/ Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I am talking about NT, is the effect any different on '98 etc.? Some Win software has its own font aliasing, which looks better or at least more obvious, e.g. the Adobe PDF viewer. And I think there's something like Adobe type manager available as an add on, does that give better, system wide results? Since the results are so poor in MS operating systems, what with MS being the worlds biggest software company I guess the whole technique is suspect. Having seen it on Windows I'd definitely not move from Windows to another OS on the strength of that feature. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 7 23:27:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154997 for opro ; Fri, 07 Sep 101 23:27:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999900739:10:19729:69; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:12:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111730; 7 Sep 2001 22:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f87MQak07038 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:26:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f87MQYp07035 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:26:34 +0100 Received: from usercq93.uk.uudial.com ([62.188.156.221] helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15fTiq-0005hN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:03:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:10:12 +0100 Subject: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents Message-ID: <4ab678aa9drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forgive me if this has been raised before recently. I am using Version 2.66. I edit a small newsletter which is produced in pamphlet form and is either 8 or 12 pages (2 or 3 paper sheets). For ease of editing I decided to split the document into 4 chapters with continuous numbering throughout the document. The master pages are all single sheet. The number of pages in each chapter varies in each issue according to content. In any issue, each chapter is a minimum of 1 page and a maximum of 4 pages - and there are never any blank pages. For example, the latest issue has 3,1,2,2 pages (total 8) respectively in the four chapters - and intended to end up as two sheets of paper only. When producing this as a pamphlet I was surprised to find that in order to ensure that unwanted blank pages (and therefore extra sheets) are not introduced, I need to take care to amend *each chapter* so that it starts on the appropriate Left/Right side. (For the above example it needed to be R/L/R/R respectively for the 4 chapters.) I can see that this arrangement can often have advantages, particularly for books - but equally there are occasions, as above, when it is a nuisance and a straight run through automatically would be preferred. Is there currently a way of making the choice between the two? If not, could the choice please be added in a future upgrade? I could only find reference in the Manual to the need to start the first page on the right, so,whatever the outcome, a mention of the multi-chapter situation would be helpful. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 7 23:27:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154997 for opro ; Fri, 07 Sep 101 23:27:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999900739:10:19729:69; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:12:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111730; 7 Sep 2001 22:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f87MQak07038 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:26:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f87MQYp07035 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:26:34 +0100 Received: from usercq93.uk.uudial.com ([62.188.156.221] helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15fTiq-0005hN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:03:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:10:12 +0100 Subject: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents Message-ID: <4ab678aa9drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Forgive me if this has been raised before recently. I am using Version 2.66. I edit a small newsletter which is produced in pamphlet form and is either 8 or 12 pages (2 or 3 paper sheets). For ease of editing I decided to split the document into 4 chapters with continuous numbering throughout the document. The master pages are all single sheet. The number of pages in each chapter varies in each issue according to content. In any issue, each chapter is a minimum of 1 page and a maximum of 4 pages - and there are never any blank pages. For example, the latest issue has 3,1,2,2 pages (total 8) respectively in the four chapters - and intended to end up as two sheets of paper only. When producing this as a pamphlet I was surprised to find that in order to ensure that unwanted blank pages (and therefore extra sheets) are not introduced, I need to take care to amend *each chapter* so that it starts on the appropriate Left/Right side. (For the above example it needed to be R/L/R/R respectively for the 4 chapters.) I can see that this arrangement can often have advantages, particularly for books - but equally there are occasions, as above, when it is a nuisance and a straight run through automatically would be preferred. Is there currently a way of making the choice between the two? If not, could the choice please be added in a future upgrade? I could only find reference in the Manual to the need to start the first page on the right, so,whatever the outcome, a mention of the multi-chapter situation would be helpful. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 8 13:42:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155027 for opro ; Sat, 08 Sep 101 13:42:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999939654:10:18611:61; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 09:00:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017666; 8 Sep 2001 9:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f889DxG07726 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:13:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f889Dup07723 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:13:57 +0100 Received: from finalscore.demon.co.uk ([194.222.250.118] helo=finalscore) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15fdwS-0006R5-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 09:58:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c13846$d3aa3ce0$76fadec2@finalscore> From: "Stephen Byrne" To: References: <4ab678aa9drayfavre@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:15:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi there, I have found that by placing a blank text frame on the page you wish to remain blank, the pages are left blank during printing. S.Byrne ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:10 PM Subject: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents > Forgive me if this has been raised before recently. I am using > Version 2.66. > > I edit a small newsletter which is produced in pamphlet form and is > either 8 or 12 pages (2 or 3 paper sheets). > > For ease of editing I decided to split the document into 4 chapters > with continuous numbering throughout the document. The master pages > are all single sheet. The number of pages in each chapter varies in > each issue according to content. In any issue, each chapter is a > minimum of 1 page and a maximum of 4 pages - and there are never any > blank pages. For example, the latest issue has 3,1,2,2 pages (total > 8) respectively in the four chapters - and intended to end up as two > sheets of paper only. > > When producing this as a pamphlet I was surprised to find that in > order to ensure that unwanted blank pages (and therefore extra > sheets) are not introduced, I need to take care to amend *each > chapter* so that it starts on the appropriate Left/Right side. (For > the above example it needed to be R/L/R/R respectively for the 4 > chapters.) > > I can see that this arrangement can often have advantages, > particularly for books - but equally there are occasions, as above, > when it is a nuisance and a straight run through automatically would > be preferred. > > Is there currently a way of making the choice between the two? If > not, could the choice please be added in a future upgrade? > > I could only find reference in the Manual to the need to start the > first page on the right, so,whatever the outcome, a mention of the > multi-chapter situation would be helpful. > > -- > Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and > "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. > Web site at: > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 8 13:42:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155034 for opro ; Sat, 08 Sep 101 13:42:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999944056:10:23778:63; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 10:14:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023639; 8 Sep 2001 10:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88ATIT07971 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:29:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88ATFp07967 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:29:15 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust121.tnt59.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.117.36.121] with SMTP for id MAA15512 (8.8.8/1.3); Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:13:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003f01c1384e$f967ab90$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:00:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 06 Sep, Peter Gaunt wrote: > On Wed 05 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > But then again amusing to read about the fully antialiased text on the new > > desktop, what a break through, why did no one think of it before 8-) > > I've pointed this out on Mac newsgroups too and half the time they don't > believe me except when they happen to have come across an Acorn machine > (quite a number have, even in the States). They've had anti-aliasing for some > time in their older OSes and, to be fair, it does actually look slightly > better than Risc OS's. Somehow, narrow lines especially seem to benefit. > Perhaps not surprising given that they've had an extra 15 years to work on > it! I've still not seen a Windows box with anti-aliasing turned on. Is it > that dire that no one uses it or what? Have you tried to use the module FontFix, version 0.03, that David Pilling recently has made freely available on his website? Previously it was only available in the !FontFix application, released by RISC User (Richard Hallas)and now part of the "RISC User ... in a Nutshell" CD (R-Comp). When you load this module (after DitherExtend and GDraw) and configure it on the CLI with *FontFix_ON G (instead of the default *FontFix_ON LBG), you will be pleasantly surprised with the display in many circumstances. Especially, when RiScript has to render T3 fonts or shapes, distilled with Acrobat. If all goes as planned, an article about this module will appear in the next issue (October 2001, due 20 September) of Archive. How do I know? I wrote it. BTW, you can have and see anti-aliasing in Windows. At least in Acrobat with the standard fonts Times, Helvetica, Courier. When you distill a little file (I used the home page of Explorer) to pdf and display the pdf output together with the original file, the difference between those two is remarkable. But, I think this is Adobe's merit (use of Type1 fonts ?), not plain-Windows (use of TrueTypes ?). So, when it is necessary to read long documents in Windows, your eyes can benefit by distilling a pdf for this reading! mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 8 13:42:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155036 for opro ; Sat, 08 Sep 101 13:42:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999947031:10:10102:61; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:03:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100831; 8 Sep 2001 11:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88BJ7508118 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:19:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88BJ5p08115 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:19:05 +0100 Received: from [62.188.192.131] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15ffmL-0003f9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:56:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:03:29 +0100 Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 Message-ID: <4ab6bf769dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154979@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154979@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <154979@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Oh it does, it's just that the effect isn't /beneficial/ > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. > I am talking about NT, is the effect any different on '98 etc.? I use NT as a norm - it falls over less often. [Snip] > Having seen it on Windows I'd definitely not move from Windows to > another OS on the strength of that feature. Which is probably the reason Microsoft produced it - give the feature a bad name and no one cares. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 8 13:43:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155038 for opro ; Sat, 08 Sep 101 13:43:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999942674:20:17385:63; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 09:51:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017362; 8 Sep 2001 9:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88A6Tu07836 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:06:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88A6Rp07833 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:06:27 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:51:06 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:50:47 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <000801c13846$d3aa3ce0$76fadec2@finalscore> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364626 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, 13 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 08 Sep, Stephen Byrne wrote: > Hi there, > I have found that by placing a blank text frame on the page you wish to > remain blank, the pages are left blank during printing. I'm not sure that's what Ray wants. My reading of his mail suggests that he simply wants each chapter to start on the next page rather than on the next left or right page. In other words he wants to /avoid/ blank pages altogether. He's right, there doesn't seem to be a way of doing this at the moment other than by going through the document when it's finished and changing start pages where necessary. It would be nice if this could be added to the 'new chapter' dialog. In addition to 'left page' and 'right page' there could also be 'next page'. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 "Why isn't there a special name for the tops of your feet?" Lily Tomlin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 8 16:51:19 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155060 for opro ; Sat, 08 Sep 101 16:51:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999961807:10:28636:70; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 15:10:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123207; 8 Sep 2001 14:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88DruW08347 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:53:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.123]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88Drrp08344 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:53:53 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:38:29 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:38:20 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <003f01c1384e$f967ab90$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364626 days, 10 hours, 21 minutes, 40 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 08 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > Have you tried to use the module FontFix, version 0.03, that David Pilling > recently has made freely available on his website? > Yes and it works very well /except/ that it screws up my desktop whenever I open the Apps folder (everything goes back to using the system font). Never have worked out what causes it so I stopped using FontFix. > is Adobe's merit (use of Type1 fonts ?), not plain-Windows (use of > TrueTypes ?). So, when it is necessary to read long documents in Windows, > your eyes can benefit by distilling a pdf for this reading! I doubt whether it's got anything to do with the font type. The Mac (generally) uses TrueType fonts and the anti-aliasing works fine. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 A cow eats without a knife. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 8 16:51:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155062 for opro ; Sat, 08 Sep 101 16:51:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999963773:20:04793:62; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 15:42:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004674; 8 Sep 2001 15:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88Fw4V08528 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:58:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88Fw1p08525 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:58:01 +0100 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk ([213.48.225.244]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:42:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Gooding To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:24:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents Message-ID: <4ab6c16242ian.gooding@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <000801c13846$d3aa3ce0$76fadec2@finalscore> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Peter Gaunt wrote: [snip] > My reading of his mail suggests that he simply wants each chapter to > start on the next page rather than on the next left or right page. In > other words he wants to /avoid/ blank pages altogether. > He's right, there doesn't seem to be a way of doing this at the moment > other than by going through the document when it's finished and changing > start pages where necessary. It would be nice if this could be added to > the 'new chapter' dialog. In addition to 'left page' and 'right page' > there could also be 'next page'. I would also appreciate this greatly. In earlier versions had a lot of trouble with avoiding blank pages, as it kept resetting itself as I moved from chapter to chapter. I produce a lot of short pamphlets, and often want to use different master pages for covers, for example, so use chapters to provide the different layouts. -- ian.gooding@argonet.co.uk tel: UK + (1753) 527903 http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ian.gooding -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 8 18:54:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155067 for opro ; Sat, 08 Sep 101 18:54:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999964116:20:11753:60; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 15:48:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011664; 8 Sep 2001 15:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88G44e08617 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:04:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88G42p08614 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:04:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15fkLG-0007TT-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:48:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 16:44:28 GMT Message-Id: <155057@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Basically it can't be done. For programmer type reasons chapters start on the left or right hand side - fixed and unchanging. The programmer type reasons is that otherwise, in a 600 page document you'd insert a page somewhere in the middle, possibly every succeeding page would then change from a left to a right hand layout. Massive computation. And a second later you could delete that page. This problem has come up before, and I am sympathetic to providing a feature where you click and the program then changes any chapters to the right starting side. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 8 18:54:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155068 for opro ; Sat, 08 Sep 101 18:54:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999964476:10:28086:60; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 15:54:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027800; 8 Sep 2001 15:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88G9sd08706 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:09:54 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88G9pp08703 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:09:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15fkQq-000Msf-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:54:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 16:53:33 GMT Message-Id: <155063@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Yes and it works very well /except/ that it screws up my desktop whenever I >open the Apps folder (everything goes back to using the system font). Never >have worked out what causes it so I stopped using FontFix. I wonder why? Presumeably one given app is doing something odd. And I wonder if it is to do with GDraw or the font blending feature. But it would have to be in a !Boot file?... I guess any concrete demonstrations of problmems with FontFix would be of interest at this moment. There is to be a new improved program on the FRU CD which allows you to control FontFix type featues on a task by task basis. That allows you to cut out any programs where things go wrong. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 8 18:54:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155071 for opro ; Sat, 08 Sep 101 18:54:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999970282:20:26062:60; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 17:31:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025989; 8 Sep 2001 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88HkCD08930 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:46:12 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88Hk9p08927 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:46:09 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:30:43 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:30:21 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <155057@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364626 days, 6 hours, 29 minutes, 39 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 08 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Basically it can't be done. > > For programmer type reasons chapters start on the left or right > hand side - fixed and unchanging. > > The programmer type reasons is that otherwise, in a 600 page document you'd > insert a page somewhere in the middle, possibly every succeeding page > would then change from a left to a right hand layout. Massive computation. > And a second later you could delete that page. As a semi-programmer type person (or is it a programmer type semi-person?) I can appreciate that. > This problem has come up before, and I am sympathetic to providing a > feature where you click and the program then changes any chapters to the > right starting side. That sounds a very reasonable compromise to me. God (or close simulacrum) the label really did mean Hot Pepper Sauce. Phew. Someone pass the fire hose... -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 Don't go surfing in South Dakota for a while. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 8 18:54:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155072 for opro ; Sat, 08 Sep 101 18:54:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999970422:20:28257:60; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 17:33:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108668; 8 Sep 2001 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88Hmwe08968 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:48:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.123]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88Hmtp08965 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:48:55 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:33:30 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:33:10 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <155063@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364626 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, 50 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 08 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >Yes and it works very well /except/ that it screws up my desktop whenever I > >open the Apps folder (everything goes back to using the system font). Never > >have worked out what causes it so I stopped using FontFix. > > I wonder why? Presumeably one given app is doing something odd. And I wonder > if it is to do with GDraw or the font blending feature. But it would have > to be in a !Boot file?... I did once try to track it down, after asking some folks and finding it was fine with them, but sort of gave up. Perhaps I should try again. I /think/ I came to the conclusion that it was FontFix that did it rather than GDraw. Can't be sure about this though. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 Simple pleasures are the last refuge of the complex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 8 19:41:19 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155082 for opro ; Sat, 08 Sep 101 19:41:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999973008:10:04231:61; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 18:16:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004159; 8 Sep 2001 18:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88IW2i09147 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:32:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from murphys-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f88IW0p09144 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:32:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 3612 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2001 18:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.22.225) by murphys with SMTP; 8 Sep 2001 18:16:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:19:11 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 08 Sep, Peter Gaunt wrote: > It would be nice if this could be added to the'new chapter' dialog. > In addition to 'left page' and 'right page' there could also be > 'next page'. > I'll second (or is it third by now) that suggestion. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 9 03:11:46 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155084 for opro ; Sun, 09 Sep 101 03:11:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999974323:10:29184:60; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 18:38:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112943; 8 Sep 2001 18:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88Irxa09240 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:53:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88Irvp09237 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:53:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15fmzf-000Ehq-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:38:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 19:05:53 GMT Message-Id: <155080@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro My recent experience is that if GDraw (and the other CC modules) are not present, then FontFix ends up giving you system font. So if you have anything which upsets them... Off hand I'd guess that may be because Acorns font manager uses the Draw module whilst rendering fonts. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 9 03:12:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155089 for opro ; Sun, 09 Sep 101 03:11:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999987521:10:09705:64; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 22:18:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127525; 8 Sep 2001 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88MXNh09526 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:33:23 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88MXKp09523 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:33:20 +0100 Received: from useras75.uk.uudial.com ([62.188.137.79] helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15fqIj-0001ms-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 23:10:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 23:16:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents Message-ID: <4ab6fd1e87rayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <155057@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <155057@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <155057@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > This problem has come up before, and I am sympathetic to providing > a feature where you click and the program then changes any > chapters to the right starting side. I'm grateful for the response - but don't quite understand this bit. Did you mean the 'right' starting side as opposed to left - or 'right' as opposed to wrong? Can we take my original example of a 4-chapter document with chapters of 3,1,2,2 pages respectively with identical master pages all of a single sheet (i.e. not 'double page spread'). Assuming we want all of this this printed as a pamphlet of just 8 pages (2 sheets of paper, double side printing), are you offering the possibility of a single click that would ripple through the document to change *any* of the chapter starting sides that may be needed to produce the pamphlet as described? If so, then that's all I want! (So I rather doubt that I've understood it correctly!) Sorry to be a pain but could you use my example to explain exactly what you were suggesting could be possible? -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 9 03:12:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155090 for opro ; Sun, 09 Sep 101 03:12:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999987521:20:26721:60; Sat, 08 Sep 2001 22:18:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121950; 8 Sep 2001 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f88MXoB09532 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:33:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f88MXlp09529 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:33:47 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust176.tnt12.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.118.176] with SMTP for id AAA14214 (8.8.8/1.3); Sun, 9 Sep 2001 00:18:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002b01c138b4$2ceaf930$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 00:17:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 08 Sep, Peter Gaunt wrote: > On Sat 08 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > Have you tried to use the module FontFix, version 0.03, that David Pilling > > recently has made freely available on his website? > > > > Yes and it works very well /except/ that it screws up my desktop whenever I > open the Apps folder (everything goes back to using the system font). Never > have worked out what causes it so I stopped using FontFix. No problem here. I load Fontfix at start up. To be sure everything loads in correct order, I have put it in an application, that I called !LoadFFix. In this application I put a selfmade !Run file and the FontFix module. No !Sprites. My !Run contains the lines: Set LoadFFix$Dir | replace in the following lines with the actual directory e.g. | CCShared$Dir. | or adfs::$.Harddisc4.!AWViewer.RMStore. RMEnsure DitherExtend 0.00 RMLoad .DitherExt RMEnsure GDraw 0.00 RMLoad .GDraw RMENsure Fontfix 0.03 RMLoad .FontFix FontFix_ON G set alias$ffg "FontFix_ON G |M *echo FontFix=ON" set alias$ffo "FontFix_OFF |M *echo FontFix=OFF" Note: in command lines 2 and 3 needs to be replaced with the actual path DitherExtend needs to be present before GDraw. Both before FontFix. After loading FontFix, the command with the correct parameter is given The 2 alias lines makes it possible to type ffg or ffo to turn on (with the correct parameter) or to turn off FontFix. The default parameters BLG cause a a kind of shadow-effect in filer windows, due to the parameter B. I have seen or experienced no other problems. As I said, no problems on my computer, when I use it this way. I like it and in much more programs, -that use vector graphics and fonts- than RiScript Pro. Of course, a programmer can make a better application around it with more options. As far as I know, there are already plans to do this. David Pilling will certainly be better informed and a better source. > > is Adobe's merit (use of Type1 fonts ?), not plain-Windows (use of > > TrueTypes ?). So, when it is necessary to read long documents in Windows, > > your eyes can benefit by distilling a pdf for this reading! > > I doubt whether it's got anything to do with the font type. The Mac > (generally) uses TrueType fonts and the anti-aliasing works fine. The Mac has certainly another font management than default Windows. That wasn't my point. Just giving an example of the difference between that, what a user sees in Acrobat compared to a default text window. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 9 14:59:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155110 for opro ; Sun, 09 Sep 101 14:59:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000004859:10:13529:61; Sun, 09 Sep 2001 03:07:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101219; 9 Sep 2001 3:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f893MVd09982 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 04:22:31 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f893MTp09979 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 04:22:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15fuvi-0002nf-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:06:42 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 03:48:33 GMT Message-Id: <155101@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> This problem has come up before, and I am sympathetic to providing >> a feature where you click and the program then changes any >> chapters to the right starting side. >Did you mean the 'right' starting side as opposed to left - or >'right' as opposed to wrong? 'right starting side' means 'correct starting side'. 'correct' means that if one chapter ends on a left (right) page the next starts on a right (left) page. >pages (2 sheets of paper, double side printing), are you offering the >possibility of a single click that would ripple through the document >to change *any* of the chapter starting sides that may be needed to >produce the pamphlet as described? Yes. >chapters of 3,1,2,2 pages respectively with identical master pages all of a >single sheet (i.e. not 'double page spread'). Of course if a chapter does not have different left and right hand master pages it would not pose a problem for programming. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 9 15:01:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155121 for opro ; Sun, 09 Sep 101 15:01:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000033864:20:08296:70; Sun, 09 Sep 2001 11:11:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008249; 9 Sep 2001 11:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f89BOY110464 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:24:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89BOUp10460 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:24:31 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:08:56 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:08:36 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <155101@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364625 days, 12 hours, 51 minutes, 24 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 09 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >Did you mean the 'right' starting side as opposed to left - or 'right' as > >opposed to wrong? > > 'right starting side' means 'correct starting side'. 'correct' means > that if one chapter ends on a left (right) page the next starts on a > right (left) page. Marvellously imprecise thing the English language isn't it? Right? -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 When I was born I was surprised I couldn't talk for a year and a half. - Gracie Allen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 9 18:45:51 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155131 for opro ; Sun, 09 Sep 101 18:45:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000048774:20:15353:62; Sun, 09 Sep 2001 15:19:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101929; 9 Sep 2001 15:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f89FYG610698 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:34:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89FYEp10695 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:34:14 +0100 Received: from userai24.uk.uudial.com ([62.188.133.54] helo=golden.argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15g6EV-0003EY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:10:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:15:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents Message-ID: <4ab75a547erayfavre@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <155101@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <155101@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <155101@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >pages (2 sheets of paper, double side printing), are you offering > >the possibility of a single click that would ripple through the > >document to change *any* of the chapter starting sides that may be > >needed to produce the pamphlet as described? > Yes. That seems to be it then! Many thanks. I'll look forward to the upgrade in due course. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Home of books "Starting Basic" and "Dr Wimp's Surgery" and support of the Dr Wimp freeware package. Web site at: -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 10 02:39:48 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155147 for opro ; Mon, 10 Sep 101 02:39:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000073999:10:19266:60; Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:19:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111706; 9 Sep 2001 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f89MYxK11088 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:34:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89MYvp11085 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:34:57 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:19:16 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:19:03 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4ab6bf769dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364625 days, 1 hour, 40 minutes, 57 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 08 Sep, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <154979@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > >Oh it does, it's just that the effect isn't /beneficial/ > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. > > > I am talking about NT, is the effect any different on '98 etc.? > > I use NT as a norm - it falls over less often. That is true. Our school network only needs rebooting once or twice a day. If they'd used Unix (as I suggested) the network tech would have nothing to do after he'd learned how to use it :-) > > Having seen it on Windows I'd definitely not move from Windows to another > > OS on the strength of that feature. > > Which is probably the reason Microsoft produced it - give the feature a bad > name and no one cares. Cynic! -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 Sheep are best! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 10 02:39:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155148 for opro ; Mon, 10 Sep 101 02:39:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000073844:20:16151:60; Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:17:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015678; 9 Sep 2001 22:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f89MVkQ11065 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:31:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89MVhp11062 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:31:43 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:16:02 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:15:46 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <002b01c138b4$2ceaf930$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364625 days, 1 hour, 44 minutes, 14 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 08 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > On Sat 08 Sep, Peter Gaunt wrote: > > > On Sat 08 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > > > Have you tried to use the module FontFix, version 0.03, that David Pilling > > > recently has made freely available on his website? > > > > > > > Yes and it works very well /except/ that it screws up my desktop whenever I > > open the Apps folder (everything goes back to using the system font). Never > > have worked out what causes it so I stopped using FontFix. > > No problem here. > I load Fontfix at start up. To be sure everything loads in correct order, I have > put it in an application, that I called !LoadFFix. In this application I put a > selfmade !Run file and the FontFix module. No !Sprites. > > My !Run contains the lines: [snip] Thanks Tonnie. That's essentially what I was already using except that I wasn't loading DitherExt (I wasn't aware that it was needed) and hadn't set up an alias. Does seem to work fine now, whatever god there is knows why though. I haven't noticed the 'shadow effect' you mention in filer windows with the 'B' flag so I've enabled it in my !run file. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 There are two instruments worse than a clarinet. Two clarinets. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 10 13:49:48 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155152 for opro ; Mon, 10 Sep 101 13:49:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000107308:10:13193:63; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:35:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012854; 10 Sep 2001 7:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8A7o5e11631 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:50:05 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8A7o3p11628 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:50:03 +0100 Received: from [62.188.139.13] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15gLSc-0005qV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:26:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:22:47 +0100 Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 Message-ID: <4ab7b2edbdsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ab6bf769dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Peter Gaunt wrote: > On Sat 08 Sep, Steven Pampling wrote: > > > Having seen it on Windows I'd definitely not move from Windows to > > > another OS on the strength of that feature. > > > > Which is probably the reason Microsoft produced it - give the feature > > a bad name and no one cares. > Cynic! I've been working in IT support for a rather large organisation since 1990, (before that they didn't have an IT setup) my comments come from observation of the things MS have done to climb to the top of the heap. Theft of other peoples code is one of them. [No more posts on this to the list I think - we're well off topic] -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 10 16:01:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155165 for opro ; Mon, 10 Sep 101 16:01:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000128712:10:03756:60; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:31:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124460; 10 Sep 2001 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8ADj0i12039 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:45:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8ADiwp12036 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:44:58 +0100 Received: from [134.220.207.44] (helo=cs1972nt) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 15gR3R-0002hY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:24:49 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000825051050.00928740@wlv.ac.uk> X-Sender: in6523@wlv.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:10:50 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing In-Reply-To: <155063@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >>Yes and it works very well /except/ that it screws up my desktop whenever I >>open the Apps folder (everything goes back to using the system font). Never >>have worked out what causes it so I stopped using FontFix. > >I wonder why? Presumeably one given app is doing something odd. And I wonder >if it is to do with GDraw or the font blending feature. But it would have >to be in a !Boot file?... > >I guess any concrete demonstrations of problmems with FontFix would be of >interest at this moment. I've found a number of applications which don't like !FontFix very much (the application, I don't know about the module) e.g. Text anti-aliasing goes wrong in !Composition, the arrow disappears when doing radial fills in !Photodesk, !Imagen crashes when you try to save a map and !Vantage drops down dead when you try and open a window. Most of these - apart from Vantage where a serious clash is, I suppose, inevitable - are minor glitches that can be fixed by quitting !Fontfix, so I just use it on a case-by-case basis. MattLB -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 10 22:53:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155186 for opro ; Mon, 10 Sep 101 22:53:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000147520:11:02360:60; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:45:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019275; 10 Sep 2001 18:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8AJ0LB12414 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:00:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AJ0Jp12411 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:00:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15gW2V-0008MN-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:44:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:16:17 GMT Message-Id: <155168@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Oh well wait for Richard Hallas's new FRU version which lets you turn off FontFix for any problem tasks like Vantage on an individual basis. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 01:34:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155228 for opro ; Tue, 11 Sep 101 01:34:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000161075:10:26152:61; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:31:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025675; 10 Sep 2001 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8AMkPU12729 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:46:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155122 for opro ; Sun, 09 Sep 101 15:01:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000021993:11:29397:1; Sun, 09 Sep 2001 07:53:13 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129280; 9 Sep 2001 7:53 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15fzOr-000Mr4-0C for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 07:53:05 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 19:05:56 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents Message-ID: References: <155057@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <155057@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 8 Sep 2001, in message <155057@pilling.demon.co.uk>, you wrote: > Basically it can't be done. > > For programmer type reasons chapters start on the left or right > hand side - fixed and unchanging. > > The programmer type reasons is that otherwise, in a 600 page document you'd > insert a page somewhere in the middle, possibly every succeeding page > would then change from a left to a right hand layout. Massive computation. > And a second later you could delete that page. > How does having chapters starting left/right/on the next available page make that any different? If you have a 600 page document as a single chapter, then you'll have to perform that massive computation. If you could configure chapters to start on the next available page, then the workload is similar. To be sure, by defining chapters to start on the left/right you can significantly reduce the computational workload, because only the current chapter needs to be reformatted. Any user so concerned will do this by default. However, on a 10-page document, nobody will see the difference. There are probably more 10-page documents being produced than 600 (or even 100) page ones. I guess I feel, as a programmer-type person, that it is not the programmer's business to hobble the user with such artificial constraints; if the user has no objection to a half-hour re-format, then that's his problem. A programmer-type, if he is sufficiently concerned, could easily pop up a message box to the effect of "Are you really sure you want to break for lunch right now?" Of course the work-round for the original problem is to simply have a single physical chapter. You can make logical chapters simply by inserting the appropriate new-page and chapter header sequences. So, if you're saying "that's the way it's designed (for good reasons, as enumerated) and that's the way it's staying", that's fair enough; you have done plenty, and the problem isn't that bad. But that's not the same as saying "It can't be done". Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 01:34:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155232 for opro ; Tue, 11 Sep 101 01:34:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000161076:10:26428:60; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:31:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025692; 10 Sep 2001 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8AMkU712741 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:46:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AMkMp12723 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:46:23 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15gZZE-0006SU-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:30:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:27:15 GMT Message-Id: <155207@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Basically it can't be done. By which I meant it can't be done in the program as it stands today. Not that it can't be done ever due to fundamental constraints. >> The programmer type reasons is that otherwise, in a 600 page document you'd >> insert a page somewhere in the middle, possibly every succeeding page >> would then change from a left to a right hand layout. Massive computation. >> And a second later you could delete that page. >How does having chapters starting left/right/on the next available page make >that any different? Because if you have chapters it is easy to insert a page by just typing. Pages get added at the end of a chapter, not at the end of the document. Yes there are insert/delete page functions but these require thought. You probably expect them to take time to execute. Do you expect typing 'the' to completely reformat your document - because thats what would happen if subsequent chapters flipped page side. A much bigger reformat than in a single chapter 600 page document when text flows from one page to another. >To be sure, by defining chapters to start on the left/right you can >significantly reduce the computational workload, because only the current >chapter needs to be reformatted. Any user so concerned will do this by >default. Few people will understand such nuances. >I guess I feel, as a programmer-type person, that it is not the programmer's >business to hobble the user with such artificial constraints; OK, speaking as a business type person who can't pay programmers to do things the more complex way. >has no objection to a half-hour re-format, then that's his problem. A >programmer-type, if he is sufficiently concerned, could easily pop up a >message box to the effect of "Are you really sure you want to break for lunch >right now?" During which time the user type person will tell his mates how much slower Ovation Pro is than Impression ("I typed 'the' and this crummy program says it will take half an hour, and I've spelt it 'tee'"). Impression has the same limitation (which I probably used as justification). Actually as currently with text reflow in a big single chapter document one would have some sort of 'multitasking' solution where flowing and reformating goes on in the background. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 01:34:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155239 for opro ; Tue, 11 Sep 101 01:34:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000161078:20:04319:60; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:31:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003902; 10 Sep 2001 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8AMkWj12745 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:46:32 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AIHCp12368 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:17:16 +0100 Received: from wealdcom.demon.co.uk ([212.229.199.148]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15gVMn-000ECC-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:01:05 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:58:11 +0100 From: Stuart Murden To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: funny thing Message-ID: <4d1aedb74a.Stuart@wealdcom.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Wealdcom User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Since upgrading to 2.66, I've noticed an occasional 'funny'. Every now and then an OP document stiffs the machine after I press return after particular letter. Its not every document, it's just every now and then, the first time I noticed it, it was 'y' return. Just now its done it on 's' return, but it seems to be linked to the particular document cos all other OP docs are fine. Is this a one off thing peculiar to me or has anyone else noticed it? Stu -- I'm trying to think of a good sig. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 01:34:58 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155245 for opro ; Tue, 11 Sep 101 01:34:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000161095:20:05630:60; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:31:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004076; 10 Sep 2001 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8AMkXD12747 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:46:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AMkQp12734 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:46:26 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15gZZI-0006SU-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:30:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:29:44 GMT Message-Id: <155211@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: funny thing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Every now and then an OP document stiffs the machine after I press return >after particular letter I'd guess the old advice is, if things seem to hang, try control+escape just in case it is an applet which is stuck in a loop. That is a common problem, but clearly there's plenty of room for more traditional bugs. By the way you're posting from a non-subscribed address, which means I have to laboriously forward your postings to the list... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 14:03:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155265 for opro ; Tue, 11 Sep 101 14:02:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000200705:20:07101:62; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:31:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102083; 11 Sep 2001 9:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8B9lEi14225 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:47:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8B9lBp14222 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:47:11 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15gjsc-000Lpt-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:30:54 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:28:46 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents Message-ID: References: <651f39b84a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <651f39b84a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 11 Sep 2001, in message <651f39b84a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol wrote: > > > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > Do you expect typing > > 'the' to completely reformat your document - because thats what would happen > > if subsequent chapters flipped page side. > > This would be an appalling prospect. When laying out a document > one of the critical factors is to ensure that making a small > change on one page does NOT have an unexpected effect elsewhere > in the document. Otherwise you need to check the entire document > every time a change is made. I think I was one of the people who > asked for an 'automatic' option for chapter starts some time ago > - before I appreciated the implications. > ISTM that the trees are beginning to obscure the wood. Making any change to a document must, by definition, roll on to subsequent text. This will ripple through until a logical breakboint in that text. Such a breakpoint may consist of the next paragraph break, page break, chapter break, whichever comes first, or, at worst, under my scenario, the end of the document. David is saying, with some justification, that the end of the document is too extreme a limit, and he has therefore imposed the chapter break as the logical termination of any reflow operation. Imposition of this limit has the side-effect of constraining chapters to start on either a left or a right page. To many users, this constraint is trivial; to others, as we have heard, it is severe. All I'm saying is, that as an informed user, I would like to be able to choose, with foreknowledge of the side effects, whether or not I wish chapters to start either automatically on the next available page, or left/right. David is saying, again with some justification, that he is unable to trust the average user to make such an informed decision, and therefore is forced to hobble all of us. This is where I beg to disagree with David. Maybe it could be a configuration choice. > However, it seems that the problem is mainly associated with > double sided master pages. What if a third option was added to > the insert chapter menu of 'automatic' (i.e start left, start > right, automatic) which was only available when the master page > was single? Would reflow still be a problem for unhanded > chapters? > If you dont have left-hand pages, you're unlikely to start a chapter on the left, are you ;-) I think you may be missing the point of the reflow mechanism. Starting a chapter on a left/right page means that when the previous chapter overflows onto another page, a double side can be inserted into the document, onto which the overflow is placed, probably leaving the second side blank. The next paragraph, starting as it does on a given side, will still start on the same side, and therefore from there onwards, no reflow needs to be performed; only the page numbers change. If it were to start on the next available page, which is the one that we just left blank, then it follows that that chapter (and possibly subsequent ones) would need to be reflowed, which is computationally expensive. Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 14:03:12 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155268 for opro ; Tue, 11 Sep 101 14:03:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000168436:10:01965:60; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:33:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001667; 11 Sep 2001 0:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8B0nJW13291 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:49:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow025o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8B0nFp13288 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:49:16 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:26:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:25:34 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <155207@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364623 days, 23 hours, 34 minutes, 26 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 11 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Actually as currently with text reflow in a big single chapter document one > would have some sort of 'multitasking' solution where flowing and > reformating goes on in the background. Yuck! Can you imagine having a document reformatting chapters in the background and the user decides they want to look at a page which the reformat hasn't yet reached? Long wait. OK, some people may see that as a better solution than your suggested compromise on the grounds that switching pages doesn't happen that often. I feel though that your compromise is a good one. The complexity of adding chapter reformatting in the background, the inevitable bugs introduced thereby and the infrequency of the problem anyway probably don't make it worth attempting. Go for your compromise, David. Users to whom it's important will generally be happy with it. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 If we can't fix it, it isn't broken. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 14:03:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155271 for opro ; Tue, 11 Sep 101 14:03:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000190878:11:06281:60; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:47:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106107; 11 Sep 2001 6:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8B72os13642 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:02:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8B72mp13639 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:02:48 +0100 Received: from [62.188.24.33] (helo=62.188.24.33) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15ghCF-0000WZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:38:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:39:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents Message-ID: <4ab838486edavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <155207@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Peter Gaunt wrote: > Yuck! Can you imagine having a document reformatting chapters in the > background and the user decides they want to look at a page which the > reformat hasn't yet reached? Long wait. OK, some people may see that as > a better solution than your suggested compromise on the grounds that > switching pages doesn't happen that often. If I remember correctly this is what MS Word does and look what great programmers they are.... -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 14:03:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155272 for opro ; Tue, 11 Sep 101 14:03:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000195258:10:17638:60; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:00:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104396; 11 Sep 2001 8:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8B8G9113797 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:16:09 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mserv1f.vianw.co.uk (mserv1f.u-net.net [195.102.249.207]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8B8G7p13794 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:16:07 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1f.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 15giSo-00053J-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:00:10 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:47:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:48:32 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents Message-ID: <651f39b84a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <155207@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Do you expect typing > 'the' to completely reformat your document - because thats what would happen > if subsequent chapters flipped page side. This would be an appalling prospect. When laying out a document one of the critical factors is to ensure that making a small change on one page does NOT have an unexpected effect elsewhere in the document. Otherwise you need to check the entire document every time a change is made. I think I was one of the people who asked for an 'automatic' option for chapter starts some time ago - before I appreciated the implications. However, it seems that the problem is mainly associated with double sided master pages. What if a third option was added to the insert chapter menu of 'automatic' (i.e start left, start right, automatic) which was only available when the master page was single? Would reflow still be a problem for unhanded chapters? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 18:40:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155303 for opro ; Tue, 11 Sep 101 18:40:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000229283:11:29686:62; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:28:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129628; 11 Sep 2001 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8BHgdV14843 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:42:39 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8BHgbp14840 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:42:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15grId-000BG0-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:26:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:19:26 GMT Message-Id: <155289@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pamphlets from multi-chapter documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Starting chapters of a defined side, left or right was a given I think, the program had to have that. In an ideal world there would be a third option - "follow on" or whatever. Something which has come out of this discussion is that it would be easy to add this option for chapters which don't have a left and right master page. >Yuck! Can you imagine having a document reformatting chapters in the >background and the user decides they want to look at a page which the >reformat hasn't yet reached? Long wait. Well of course it has to do this background flowing at the moment, and cope with the logic of what happens if you try to look at a page that isn't reflowed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 18:40:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155304 for opro ; Tue, 11 Sep 101 18:40:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000229290:20:10317:60; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:28:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010139; 11 Sep 2001 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8BHgnU14848 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:42:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8BHglp14845 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:42:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15grIg-000BG0-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:26:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:22:37 GMT Message-Id: <155291@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: A label printing tip X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I print names and address on sheets of sticky labels. Normally I only print one of two a day, so I have to feed the same sheet of labels through my ink jet printer many times. All too often it gets crumpled and starts to jam. My tip is to start printing the labels from the bottom of the page, i.e. the area that goes through the printer last. That way the remaining labels stiffen the part of the sheet which has to be fed. Adopting this technique means you can use laser printer labels in an ink jet. Laser labels are more floppy but cheaper 8-) Now which way around does the label applet work... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:49:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155313 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:49:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000322189:20:09108:60; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:16:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009008; 12 Sep 2001 19:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8CJWTq16829 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:32:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8CJWQp16826 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:32:26 +0100 Received: from modem-21.neilsborium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.73.149] helo=orchard-way) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15hFUG-0006ie-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:15:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:14:30 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript/PDF generation Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Wed 12 Sep 2001 (18:36:58 +0100), andy.progs@metallic.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > > It would be a lot easier to import the whole image, move it around > > within the frame to where you want it, zoom as you like, and then click > > on a lovely little "crop" button next to "Fit" and "Centre" - I'd like > > that. Saves me splashing empty white frames everywhere to do the > > cropping for me! > > > Or wait/hope that Cerilica sort out the cropping bug! > I discussed this with Cerilica at Wakefield. Apparently both RiScript and Taborca convert the PostScript to Draw before rendering to PDF. Since Draw doesn't understand clipping, neither does the renderer. However, since Vantage CAN render to PDF correctly, they are attempting to get the code sorted. In the meantime I was recommended to try GhostScript, which does work. I tried GhostScript the other day on a page of pictures, all clipped by their frames, rotated, etc. It crashed. Does anyone know how to interpret the output which is dumped at that point? I tried Gview - it displayed the PostScript correctly. I ran out of time. Proceeding... Alan -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:49:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155317 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:49:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000302843:20:22826:82; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:54:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023134; 12 Sep 2001 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8CE9h916069 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:09:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8CE9ep16066 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:09:40 +0100 Received: from modem-616.clam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.26.104] helo=SWebRPC1) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15hARr-00050y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:53:04 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:48:20 +0100 From: Geoff Youngs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <38e6ddb84a.Geoff@solutionsweb.co.uk> X-Organization: solutions.web User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Question: Do you really find headers very interesting? Subject: Postscript/PDF generation X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Could I make a feature request? Would it be possible/feasible for Ovation Pro to physically crop images in rectangular frames? I understand that it might not be feasible for irregular frames, but from the point of view of both memory efficient storage of inline images in a document and making PDF/PS creation much less fraught, would this be possible? At the moment generating PDFs using Ovation Pro and RiScript Pro forces me to add four extra frames round the edge of each image, to prevent the unseen (in Ovation Pro) areas of the images being seen after they've been converted to PDF. I'm hoping for the equivalent of the crop function in David Pilling's scanning software - the image simply being cropped to the edges of a rectangular frame, so that images can be optionally cropped. It would probably be much harder for vector files, but it would hopefully be feasible for bitmaps. TIA, -- Geoff Youngs, Technical Director // solutions.web - Internet Consultants \\ Tel. +44 (0) 23 9241 2340 // Web : http://www.solutionsweb.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:49:57 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155322 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:49:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000311769:20:28526:72; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:22:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105069; 12 Sep 2001 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8CGbmS16419 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:37:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8CGbjp16416 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:37:45 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-200.spectraweb.ch [194.230.116.200]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f8CGL5U06169 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:21:05 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:33:50 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <155168@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, On Mon 10 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > David Pilling Above is an exact copy of what I received this afternoon. It was dated Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:16:17 GMT If it was for testing only, do not reply. Otherwise you might like to know that an empty message was on the net. Thanks for your answer on left/right pamphlet printing. Understood. I am always again amazed how bad people know to read. Greetings, Jan-Maarten -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:50:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155324 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:50:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000320213:20:20556:63; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:43:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123342; 12 Sep 2001 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8CIwr216712 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:58:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8CIwpp16709 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:58:51 +0100 Received: from [62.188.154.55] (helo=62.188.154.55) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15hEqD-0002XC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:34:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas Software) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:38:20 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.31 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Postscript/PDF generation Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 12 Sep 2001 (18:36:58 +0100), andy.progs@metallic.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > It would be a lot easier to import the whole image, move it around > within the frame to where you want it, zoom as you like, and then click > on a lovely little "crop" button next to "Fit" and "Centre" - I'd like > that. Saves me splashing empty white frames everywhere to do the > cropping for me! > Or wait/hope that Cerilica sort out the cropping bug! -- ___ _ __ ___________________________________________ |\/| | | |_| (_ / Scientific/Education/Utilities - RISC OS 4 | | | _| | | __) Software / email: mijassw@argonet.co.uk - Developer ____________________________/ web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/mijassw/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:50:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155326 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:50:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000331800:20:19877:61; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:56:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019776; 12 Sep 2001 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8CMCNu17032 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:12:23 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8CMCKp17029 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:12:20 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15hHyy-000IpY-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:55:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:46:04 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing Message-ID: <4e28f9b84a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > David, > > > On Mon 10 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > > > > David Pilling > > Above is an exact copy of what I received this afternoon. It was dated > Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:16:17 GMT > > > If it was for testing only, do not reply. Otherwise you might like to > know that an empty message was on the net. It wasn't an empty message. Very many people are reporting that, suddenly, their emails are losing the blank line between the header and the body of the message. As a consequence the body becomes part of the header and isn't visible unless you use 'show headers'. All these people are using Marcel. The favourite theory at the moment is a time related bug in Marcel or the ANT suite. See c.s.a.m "Empty E-mails?" for more info. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:50:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155331 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:50:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000369201:20:07818:106; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:20:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009985; 13 Sep 2001 8:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8D8ZIn17534 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:35:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@[193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8D8ZGp17531 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:35:16 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05699 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:12:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3BA06BF9.2070309@sharp.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:19:05 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010801 X-Accept-Language: en,ja,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript/PDF generation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > I tried GhostScript the other day on a page of pictures, all clipped by > their frames, rotated, etc. It crashed. Does anyone know how to interpret > the output which is dumped at that point? > > I tried Gview - it displayed the PostScript correctly. GView uses Ghostscript to convert the PS to something you can look at - suggests the commandline you used for Ghostscript was incorrect. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:50:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155332 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:50:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000370050:20:08675:65; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:34:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008295; 13 Sep 2001 8:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8D8oJn17609 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:50:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk ([195.102.249.201]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8D8oGp17606 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:50:16 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 15hRwD-00072p-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:33:34 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:04:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:05:04 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript/PDF generation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams wrote: > > I tried GhostScript the other day on a page of pictures, all clipped by > their frames, rotated, etc. It crashed. Does anyone know how to interpret > the output which is dumped at that point? > > I tried Gview - it displayed the PostScript correctly. > I thought GView was just a front end to Ghostscript? So that presumably means the PS rendering part of Ghostscript is working for you. There is also a little utility called ps2pdf which provides a front end for PDF generation. The version I have seems to be anonymous, but it seems to work. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:50:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155337 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:50:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000413989:20:14476:64; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:46:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120144; 13 Sep 2001 20:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8DL33318538 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:03:03 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f8DL2xp18535 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:03:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 29012 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 20:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.23.253) by warrior with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 20:44:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:35:45 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4e28f9b84a.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 12 Sep, Fred Bambrough wrote: > > In message > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > David, > > > > > > On Mon 10 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Pilling > > > > Above is an exact copy of what I received this afternoon. It was dated > > Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:16:17 GMT > > > > > > If it was for testing only, do not reply. Otherwise you might like to > > know that an empty message was on the net. > > It wasn't an empty message. Very many people are reporting that, suddenly, > their emails are losing the blank line between the header and the body of > the message. As a consequence the body becomes part of the header and > isn't visible unless you use 'show headers'. All these people are using > Marcel. > > The favourite theory at the moment is a time related bug in Marcel or the > ANT suite. See c.s.a.m "Empty E-mails?" for more info. > Seems to be Marcel's unbatching of emails to local user(s) - doesn't affect newsgroups or mailing list mail sorted to local newsgroups. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:50:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155338 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:50:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000459170:20:21497:68; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:19:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102820; 14 Sep 2001 9:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8E9Yxm19251 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:34:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8E9Yup19248 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:34:56 +0100 Received: from vscan by mail1.hw.ac.uk with scanned-ok (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15hp6m-0008Vv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:18:00 +0100 Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.211] ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15hp6g-0008VA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:17:54 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15hp6f-0002zd-01 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:17:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:17:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Additions to the alt site Message-ID: <4ab9ccc07aC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ab965ef9bC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <4ab965ef9bC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ab965ef9bC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > I have added the following updated applets (courtesy of Roger Noble) > to the site. > Contents v. 2.21 > Headings v. 1.06 > Sections v. 1.02 > Sequence v. 1.11 > Together v. 1.22 > Chris... Following up my own posting, my server here at work has ceased to be visible from off campus. I am trying to get information from computing services at the moment on whether this is deliberate policy or whether it is a problem with the campus firewall. I can still ftp into it from off campus but http gets no response, and the logs on the server have been empty all day yesterday 8o( In the meantime I suggest you use my own mirror site http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ Sorry if you have tried to access the other site and received no response. Regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:50:49 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155339 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:50:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000464530:20:29242:79; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:48:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029033; 14 Sep 2001 10:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8EB4te19439 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:04:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8EB4qp19436 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:04:52 +0100 Received: from vscan by mail1.hw.ac.uk with scanned-ok (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15hqVo-0004qM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:47:56 +0100 Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.211] ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15hqVl-0004q6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:47:53 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15hqVl-0003Kl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:47:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:40:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Additions to the alt site Message-ID: <4ab9d46931C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ab9ccc07aC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <4ab965ef9bC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> <4ab9ccc07aC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ab9ccc07aC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <4ab965ef9bC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, > Chris Johnson wrote: > > I have added the following updated applets (courtesy of Roger Noble) > > to the site. > > Contents v. 2.21 > > Headings v. 1.06 > > Sections v. 1.02 > > Sequence v. 1.11 > > Together v. 1.22 > > Chris... > Following up my own posting, my server here at work has ceased to > be visible from off campus. I am trying to get information from > computing services at the moment on whether this is deliberate > policy or whether it is a problem with the campus firewall. I can > still ftp into it from off campus but http gets no response, and > the logs on the server have been empty all day yesterday 8o( > In the meantime I suggest you use my own mirror site > http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ > Sorry if you have tried to access the other site and received no > response. I haven't heard anything officially from Computing Services yet, but my machine suddenly started getting hits from hosts outwith the campus from just after 11.00 am, so I can only assume the problem has been fixed and we are back in business with this site as well. http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Sorry to use up a bit of bandwidth. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:51:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155346 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:51:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000638924:20:18665:61; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:15:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018481; 16 Sep 2001 11:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8GBVT821919 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:31:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8GBVQp21916 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:31:26 +0100 Received: from du-004-0161.freeuk.com ([212.126.149.161] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15iZs6-0004GO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:13:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:27:33 +0100 Subject: Mail merge query Message-ID: <4abadadc59badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have an Ovation Pro (v2.66) document set up as an invoice. There are 18 rows of 7 text boxes containing one mail-merge field each, ([Merge 1] to [Merge 6] and [Merge 99]). The [Merge 99] field is a '{nextrecord()}' operator. The data for the fields is contained in a CSV file generated from a spreadsheet. I want to set up a new text box (at the top of the document, but I think that's irrelevant) with a mail-merge entry which will draw its data from the 13th field of the last (18th) row of the CSV file. If I set up such a box and enter [Merge 13] it draws its data from the first row of the CSV file. Other than reconstructing the document to include a hidden [Merge 13] text box for the first 17 rows, and positioning the 18th one where I want it, is there a way to persuade the mail-merge entry to look for the data in the 18th row? Thanks Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:51:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155347 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:51:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000655581:20:18373:60; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:53:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117584; 16 Sep 2001 15:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8GG9QR22267 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:09:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8GG9Np22264 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:09:23 +0100 Received: from modem-71.paddle-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.45.71] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15ieD1-00042s-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:51:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robin A. Hampshire" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:30:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Mail merge query Message-ID: <4abaf6a0ddrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4abadadc59badger.set@freeuk.com> References: <4abadadc59badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4abadadc59badger.set@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock wrote: > I have an Ovation Pro (v2.66) document set up as an invoice. > There are 18 rows of 7 text boxes containing one mail-merge field > each, ([Merge 1] to [Merge 6] and [Merge 99]). > The [Merge 99] field is a '{nextrecord()}' operator. > If I set up such a box and enter [Merge 13] it draws its data from > the first row of the CSV file. > Other than reconstructing the document to include a hidden [Merge > 13] text box for the first 17 rows, and positioning the 18th one > where I want it, is there a way to persuade the mail-merge entry to > look for the data in the 18th row? What matters here is the level within the document that your new text box "sits at" with respect to all the others. Each text box occupies its particular level on the page, just like objects in a Drawfile, where each object/shape occupies one level within a "stack" of all the objects, and where you can change the level of each object so that it will either hide or be hidden by other objects. When you created your new text box, it should have automatically been placed at the top of the stack, where it would be displayed last, and thus should be showing {Merge 13} for the very last record, which is what you want. There are only two reasons that I can think of that the wrong record is being shown: 1) Your final text box, for record 18, also contains a "{Merge 99}" at the end of it. As record 18 is the final record this may be causing the mailmerge to cycle round to record 1 again before the final (new) text box is displayed. 2) You have inadvertently put your new text box to the back of the stack, so that it is being displayed at the start, ie when record 1 is first loaded. The solution (if my diagnosis is correct) is to remove the {Merge 99} field from the box which contains the record 18 data, and/or altering the level within the stack of your new text box, so that it displays after box 17's {Merge 99} (ie it sits /above/ box 17) but before (below) box 18's. You have to remember this relationship between on the one hand the level of a particular box in the stack, and on the other, which record you want to display within it, when you are designing multiple-record mail merges. -- Robin Hampshire rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:51:18 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155350 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:51:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000678409:20:17791:60; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:13:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017742; 16 Sep 2001 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8GMURT22825 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:30:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8GMUOp22822 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:30:24 +0100 Received: from modem-88.arkansas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.55.88] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15ik9o-000827-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:12:56 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:58:13 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: upgrades Message-ID: <14181abb4a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > I recently upgrade to OPro 2.64 and then 2.66. Somehow with both these > upgrades I have lost the process and screen functions in the sub menu under > "picture" which enabled me to change gamma, brightness contrast etc on > pictures. I have presumably done something silly!! Can anyone advise how to > restore this? Do I have to go back and install 2.60 and then upgrade? > > Thanks > You have lost the ColSep applet. Check the applets folder of the old and new versions, and copy it across. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:51:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155354 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:51:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000888757:20:11470:138; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:39:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006901; 19 Sep 2001 8:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8J8UmU26049 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:30:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8J8Ujp26046 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:30:46 +0100 Received: from modem-649.abra.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.3.137] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15jcTN-0000qS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:12:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:09:46 +0100 Subject: OP and keyboard buffer Message-ID: <4abc59c11drayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Steve Fryatt has produced a nifty little module that allows use of the Windows keys on a RISC OS machine and with a bit of help from a small BASIC library file can insert text macros. But not with Ovation Pro. It works with everything else, including Zap and Publisher - and even Draw, but nothing happens in an OP screen. The bit of BASIC that does the keyboard buffer bit is as follows: --8<-------- SYS "OS_GetEnv" TO command$ command$=MID$(command$,INSTR(command$," ",INSTR(command$,"-quit")+6)+1) FOR char%=1 TO LEN(command$) asc%=ASC(MID$(command$,char%,1)) IF asc%>=128 THEN SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,0 SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,asc% NEXT char% --8<-------- Is there any way to get OP to work with it as well, or modify the above to work with OP? It gives 8 more macro keys which I could well use with Ovation Pro. The WinKeys module and config app are on Steve's web site at http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/utils/ Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:26:52 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155373 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:26:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000242841:10:02780:60; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:14:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002745; 11 Sep 2001 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8BLTZ815183 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:29:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8BLTWp15180 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:29:32 +0100 Received: from du-004-0084.freeuk.com ([212.126.149.84] helo=freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15guqE-0003Da-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:13:10 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:13:54 +0100 From: Alex Cessford Message-ID: <15db82b84a.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Toolbox attaching - exact procedure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I know that this disappearing toolbox bug is one David P and others are aware of, and I've managed to get around it, sort of, in my own way, but David tells me he suspects the exact procedure is in the mail list archives. Can anyone repeat it for me please, as I haven't spotted it? -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:27:10 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155376 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:27:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000290124:10:15968:60; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:22:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015774; 12 Sep 2001 10:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8CAalX15795 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:36:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8CAaip15792 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:36:44 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust51.tnt2.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.98.51] with SMTP for id MAA23588 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:20:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001501c13b74$8e2921f0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <155168@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 - anti-aliasing Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:54:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 13 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Oh well wait for Richard Hallas's new FRU version which lets > you turn off FontFix for any problem tasks like Vantage on > an individual basis. Or to let you turn *on* the parameter B (in my experience bad for Filer windows in RISC OS 4) for background blending in !pdf, the free pdf viewer of Colin Granville/Leo Smiers. The display -when background blending is used in the file- improves greatly. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:31:08 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155382 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:31:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000304184:10:12993:107; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:16:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012800; 12 Sep 2001 14:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8CEVjC16150 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:31:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8CEVhp16147 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:31:43 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15hAnB-000Hhp-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:15:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:15:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Postscript/PDF generation Message-ID: <4ab8e05e1fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38e6ddb84a.Geoff@solutionsweb.co.uk> References: <38e6ddb84a.Geoff@solutionsweb.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.23) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <38e6ddb84a.Geoff@solutionsweb.co.uk>, Geoff Youngs wrote: > At the moment generating PDFs using Ovation Pro and RiScript Pro forces > me to add four extra frames round the edge of each image, to prevent the > unseen (in Ovation Pro) areas of the images being seen after they've > been converted to PDF. Is it not possible to crop the image before inclusion in OPro? -- John Cartmell MAUG - New Venue in Sale - now at Metrovick Rugby Club, FinnyBank Road, Sale Meeting >>Next Week<< 19th September === http://www.acorn.manchester.ac.uk - RISC OS 4+ presentation by Paul Middleton - MyRISCOS update by Jeremy Coates -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:31:32 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155387 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:31:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000316340:11:21920:60; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:39:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022419; 12 Sep 2001 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8CHrkU16582 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:53:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8CHrhp16579 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:53:44 +0100 Received: from modem-916.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.135.148] helo=localhost.com) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15hDwk-0000Xa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:37:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Andy's Progs" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:36:58 +0100 Subject: Postscript/PDF generation Message-ID: <4ab8f2d503andy.progs@metallic.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 12 Sep, John Cartmell wrote: > > At the moment generating PDFs using Ovation Pro and RiScript Pro > > forces me to add four extra frames round the edge of each image, to > > prevent the unseen (in Ovation Pro) areas of the images being seen > > after they've been converted to PDF. > Is it not possible to crop the image before inclusion in OPro? It is, but it's difficult to get it EXACTLY the right size, an it doesn't allow EASY movement of images, and trying new zooms on the image, before you decide exactly how you want it to look. It would be a lot easier to import the whole image, move it around within the frame to where you want it, zoom as you like, and then click on a lovely little "crop" button next to "Fit" and "Centre" - I'd like that. Saves me splashing empty white frames everywhere to do the cropping for me! -- ------------------------------------------ Andy - andy.progs@metallic.freeserve.co.uk Worksop, Nottinghamshire Derbyshire@Heart Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags ------------------------------------------ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:39:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155394 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:39:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000405650:10:09481:62; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:27:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104919; 13 Sep 2001 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8DIfq918263 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:41:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8DIfjp18260 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:41:49 +0100 Received: from vscan by mail1.hw.ac.uk with scanned-ok (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15hbAT-0007ww-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:24:53 +0100 Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.211] ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15haq1-0006KV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:03:45 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15hXcn-00089n-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:37:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:34:13 +0100 Subject: Additions to the alt site Message-ID: <4ab965ef9bC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have added the following updated applets (courtesy of Roger Noble) to the site. Contents v. 2.21 Headings v. 1.06 Sections v. 1.02 Sequence v. 1.11 Together v. 1.22 Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:39:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155395 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:39:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000412534:10:08754:71; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:22:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008616; 13 Sep 2001 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8DKcYT18469 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:38:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8DKcVp18466 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:38:31 +0100 Received: from modem-46.xenon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.45.46] helo=orchard-way) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15hczX-0001dH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:21:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:14:23 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript/PDF generation Message-ID: <2e1485b94a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <3BA06BF9.2070309@sharp. In-Reply-To: <3BA06BF9.2070309@sharp.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <3BA06BF9.2070309@sharp.co.uk> you wrote: > Alan Adams wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > I tried GhostScript the other day on a page of pictures, all clipped by > > their frames, rotated, etc. It crashed. Does anyone know how to interpret > > the output which is dumped at that point? > > > > I tried Gview - it displayed the PostScript correctly. > > GView uses Ghostscript to convert the PS to something you can look at - > suggests the commandline you used for Ghostscript was incorrect. > > Graham. Possibly. However the command line was generated, I assume, by ps2pdf, which I used rather than wade through the manuals. It churned for about a minute, I think, then dumped an entirely incomprehensible set of output. One of the pictures was a 24MByte sprite, because I couldn't be bothered to scale it down. I might try reducing the size of that one when I have time. However, Gview can render it... > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:51:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155400 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:51:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000598994:10:18086:60; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:09:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018009; 16 Sep 2001 0:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8G0MpO21315 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 01:22:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8G0Mjp21312 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 01:22:47 +0100 Received: from auric.ihug.co.nz (p8-max1.puk.ihug.co.nz [203.173.221.200]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA19162 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:05:16 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p8-max1.puk.ihug.co.nz [203.173.221.200] claimed to be auric.ihug.co.nz Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:08:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Frank Lester Subject: Re: upgrades To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <154979@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I recently upgrade to OPro 2.64 and then 2.66. Somehow with both these upgrades I have lost the process and screen functions in the sub menu under "picture" which enabled me to change gamma, brightness contrast etc on pictures. I have presumably done something silly!! Can anyone advise how to restore this? Do I have to go back and install 2.60 and then upgrade? Thanks -- Frank Lester "Omahanui" Waitangi Falls Road RD1 Waiuku,New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:51:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155401 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:51:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000654701:11:04313:60; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:38:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104263; 16 Sep 2001 15:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8GFreZ22234 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:53:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk ([195.166.78.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8GFrbp22231 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:53:37 +0100 Received: from brushford.aaugonline.net [217.79.97.101] by smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk (SMTPD32-6.05) id A69B2D90148; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:34:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robin A. Hampshire" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:30:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Mail merge query Message-ID: <4abaf6a0ddrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4abadadc59badger.set@freeuk.com> References: <4abadadc59badger.set@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4abadadc59badger.set@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock wrote: > I have an Ovation Pro (v2.66) document set up as an invoice. > There are 18 rows of 7 text boxes containing one mail-merge field > each, ([Merge 1] to [Merge 6] and [Merge 99]). > The [Merge 99] field is a '{nextrecord()}' operator. > If I set up such a box and enter [Merge 13] it draws its data from > the first row of the CSV file. > Other than reconstructing the document to include a hidden [Merge > 13] text box for the first 17 rows, and positioning the 18th one > where I want it, is there a way to persuade the mail-merge entry to > look for the data in the 18th row? What matters here is the level within the document that your new text box "sits at" with respect to all the others. Each text box occupies its particular level on the page, just like objects in a Drawfile, where each object/shape occupies one level within a "stack" of all the objects, and where you can change the level of each object so that it will either hide or be hidden by other objects. When you created your new text box, it should have automatically been placed at the top of the stack, where it would be displayed last, and thus should be showing {Merge 13} for the very last record, which is what you want. There are only two reasons that I can think of that the wrong record is being shown: 1) Your final text box, for record 18, also contains a "{Merge 99}" at the end of it. As record 18 is the final record this may be causing the mailmerge to cycle round to record 1 again before the final (new) text box is displayed. 2) You have inadvertently put your new text box to the back of the stack, so that it is being displayed at the start, ie when record 1 is first loaded. The solution (if my diagnosis is correct) is to remove the {Merge 99} field from the box which contains the record 18 data, and/or altering the level within the stack of your new text box, so that it displays after box 17's {Merge 99} (ie it sits /above/ box 17) but before (below) box 18's. You have to remember this relationship between on the one hand the level of a particular box in the stack, and on the other, which record you want to display within it, when you are designing multiple-record mail merges. -- Robin Hampshire rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:51:12 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155403 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:51:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000668317:10:09499:60; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:25:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105903; 16 Sep 2001 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8GJfvN22615 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:41:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8GJfsp22612 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:41:54 +0100 Received: from du-002-0001.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.1] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15ihWl-0002nW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:24:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:16:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Mail merge query Message-ID: <4abb0b535ebadger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4abaf6a0ddrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> References: <4abadadc59badger.set@freeuk.com> <4abaf6a0ddrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4abaf6a0ddrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk>, Robin A. Hampshire wrote: > What matters here is the level within the document that your new text > box "sits at" with respect to all the others. > Each text box occupies its particular level on the page, just like > objects in a Drawfile, where each object/shape occupies one level > within a "stack" of all the objects, and where you can change the > level of each object so that it will either hide or be hidden by > other objects. Thanks for that Robin. I had no idea it was so simple. I had toyed with (but not attempted) changing what appear to be object reference numbers in a DLL copy of the document. Simply moving boxes backwards and forwards in the layout is much easier (and much less likely to cause terminal mangling I suspect!) > 2) You have inadvertently put your new text box to the back of the > stack, so that it is being displayed at the start, ie when record 1 > is first loaded. I had in fact used a text box which had I had created a long time ago but had become redundant. Deleting that text box and substituting a new one has resulted in the correct (final) field 13 being shown. (I didn't try simply moving the old one to the top. I'll experiment sometime.) > You have to remember this relationship between on the one hand the > level of a particular box in the stack, and on the other, which > record you want to display within it, when you are designing > multiple-record mail merges. I knew that there had to be a relationship of this sort. I just couldn't figure out how to adjust it. Thanks for your clear explanation. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:51:18 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155405 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:51:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000733526:10:11650:98; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:32:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106821; 17 Sep 2001 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8HDk4R23697 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:46:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8HDk0p23694 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:46:01 +0100 Received: from modem-88.arizona.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.54.88] helo=localhost) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15iyRk-0005ra-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:28:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:27:34 +0100 From: Sam Campbell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: save as RTF Message-ID: <922d6fbb4a.sam@loudounhill.fsnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi folks I need some help quite quickly. I am trying to save opro document as RTF and I get an error box; number not recognised. Any help gratefully received. Sam OPro 2.66 ROs3.7 S/A -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:54:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155411 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:54:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000917228:11:24787:1353; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:33:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1017730; 19 Sep 2001 15:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8JG3l426600 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:03:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (hoemail2.lucent.com [192.11.226.163]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8JG3ip26597 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:03:44 +0100 Received: from uk0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-150.lucent.com [135.86.160.150]) by hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id f8JFjUv22770 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uk0006exch001h.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:45:24 +0100 Message-ID: <475FF955A05DD411980D00508B6D5FB0016D0461@en0033exch001u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: Epson 460 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:45:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Your Swindon correspondent writes: I have been having trouble printing to the Epson 460 inkjet from a modern version of Ov Pro with a recent version of !printers and various Epson-type driver modules. After a couple of 'lines' of text there is a noise and some parts of the image are later displaced to one side. Later, when parking, it turns out that the head is off-position and the machine has to 'push' the toothed belt over the teeth. This re-parks the head, until next time. Head cleaning may be needed to restore function. Is it possible the computer is sending 'wrong' codes sufficient to abruptly jerk the head? Another possibility is that one of the push down flippers on say the colour cartridge sometimes comes up and is striking the side of the little train-shed in which the heads are housed. I'm watching this idea for evidence. any thoughts please? PS there is one of the high-resolution modes in the driver which never works for me (it has about 5 print quality choices), but that is a different prob. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 20 13:54:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155412 for opro ; Thu, 20 Sep 101 13:54:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000922589:10:07938:60; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:03:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112451; 19 Sep 2001 18:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8JIKDF26838 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:20:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8JIKBp26835 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:20:11 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15jlfX-000Dcl-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:01:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:01:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Epson 460 Message-ID: <4abc8ff823Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <475FF955A05DD411980D00508B6D5FB0016D0461@en0033exch001u.uk.lucent.com> References: <475FF955A05DD411980D00508B6D5FB0016D0461@en0033exch001u.uk.lucent.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 19 Sep, "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" wrote: > Your Swindon correspondent writes: > I have been having trouble printing to the Epson 460 inkjet from a [snip problems] Sounds to me as if your printer is faulty... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 20:51:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155354 for opro ; Wed, 19 Sep 101 20:51:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1000888757:20:11470:138; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:39:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006901; 19 Sep 2001 8:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8J8UmU26049 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:30:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8J8Ujp26046 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:30:46 +0100 Received: from modem-649.abra.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.3.137] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15jcTN-0000qS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:12:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:09:46 +0100 Subject: OP and keyboard buffer Message-ID: <4abc59c11drayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Steve Fryatt has produced a nifty little module that allows use of the Windows keys on a RISC OS machine and with a bit of help from a small BASIC library file can insert text macros. But not with Ovation Pro. It works with everything else, including Zap and Publisher - and even Draw, but nothing happens in an OP screen. The bit of BASIC that does the keyboard buffer bit is as follows: --8<-------- SYS "OS_GetEnv" TO command$ command$=MID$(command$,INSTR(command$," ",INSTR(command$,"-quit")+6)+1) FOR char%=1 TO LEN(command$) asc%=ASC(MID$(command$,char%,1)) IF asc%>=128 THEN SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,0 SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,asc% NEXT char% --8<-------- Is there any way to get OP to work with it as well, or modify the above to work with OP? It gives 8 more macro keys which I could well use with Ovation Pro. The WinKeys module and config app are on Steve's web site at http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/utils/ Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 21 13:49:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155466 for opro ; Fri, 21 Sep 101 13:49:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001034845:11:10337:63; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:14:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109932; 21 Sep 2001 1:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8L1SEP28629 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:28:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8L1SCp28626 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:28:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15kEpB-0008EC-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:09:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:01:33 GMT Message-Id: <155461@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP and keyboard buffer X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The bit of BASIC that does the keyboard buffer bit is as follows: I dloaded the module but I can't find the bit of Basic you quote. > IF asc%>=128 THEN SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,0 > SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,asc% This is standard enough. I suspect the problem is that OPro doesn't use the same codes as other programs, or as you expect. If you look back in the mail list archives you'll find some examples where fx138 (equivalent to OS_Byte 138) is used to simulate key strokes. >Is there any way to get OP to work with it as well, or modify the above >to work with OP? It gives 8 more macro keys which I could well use with >Ovation Pro. Wot with the squillions of key presses already available in OPro? ISTR looking at the use of the Win keys, and concluding that whilst support would be good it wasn't simple. I don't recall if that was for OPro though. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 21 13:50:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155472 for opro ; Fri, 21 Sep 101 13:50:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001058199:20:23852:61; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:43:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123893; 21 Sep 2001 7:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8L80uZ29043 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:00:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8L80rp29040 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:00:53 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust144.tnt4.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.102.144] with SMTP id JAA24124 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:42:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004a01c14270$ffeb36e0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" , "Archive On Line" Subject: Protect addressbook and email addresses Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:42:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Although Risc PC's are safe for a windows virus, there are many people (I guess) who also use a windows system. Maybe this can help. I have got it from a moderated, trusted maillist for a special brand computer. Many system administrators with such computers from all over the world have a subscription. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands ---------quote--------------- Hey Guys, What about this method as !0000 entry into address book to at least stop viruses spreading ? Viruses are always born before their death ! (antidotes). That is, until the virus programmers cotton on to this method. :-P All my regular contacts have done this & we enjoy less junk ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stop address book virus spread Create a contact in your email address book with the name !0000 (Exclamation & four zeros) with no email address in the details box. This contact will then show up as your first contact in the address book list. If a virus attempts to "send all" on your contact list as this recent one just did, then your PC will put up an error message saying ... "The Message could not be sent. One or more rcipients do not have an e-mail address. Please check your address book & make sure all the recipients have a valid e-mail address". You then click on & the offending (virus) message will NOT have been sent to anyone. Of course no changes have been made to your original contacts list & the offending (virus) message should be automatically stored in your "Outbox" or "Drafts" folder. Go in there & delete the offending message. ------------- unquote ---------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 21 13:50:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155474 for opro ; Fri, 21 Sep 101 13:50:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001061103:10:29154:62; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:31:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125958; 21 Sep 2001 8:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8L8nKk29177 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:49:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8L8nHp29174 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:49:17 +0100 Received: from modem-815.clam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.27.47] helo=SWebRPC1) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15kLhy-0003hd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:30:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:34:30 +0100 From: Geoff Youngs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP and keyboard buffer Message-ID: References: <155461@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <155461@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: solutions.web User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Question: Do you really find headers very interesting? X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In <155461@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > The bit of BASIC that does the keyboard buffer bit is as follows: > I dloaded the module but I can't find the bit of Basic you quote. It came from a newsgroup posting by the author. > > IF asc%>=128 THEN SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,0 > > SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,asc% > This is standard enough. I suspect the problem is that OPro doesn't > use the same codes as other programs, or as you expect. > If you look back in the mail list archives you'll find some examples > where fx138 (equivalent to OS_Byte 138) is used to simulate key strokes. AFAICS, it's not the BASIC that has the problem. > > Is there any way to get OP to work with it as well, or modify the above > > to work with OP? It gives 8 more macro keys which I could well use with > > Ovation Pro. > Wot with the squillions of key presses already available in OPro? Which are only available in OPro, not the other desktop apps. I actually have the same problem with a `pseudo menu' app run by the menu key. > ISTR looking at the use of the Win keys, and concluding that whilst support > would be good it wasn't simple. I don't recall if that was for OPro though. They are supported by RISC OS 4 (as wimp keypresses). Alone +Shift +Ctrl +Ctrl Shift Win Logo &1C0 &1D0 &1E0 &1F0 Win Menu &1D0 &1D1 &1E1 &1F1 (Source: Wimp StrongHelp manual) The problem seems to be with OPro not calling Wimp_ProcessKey with the keys that it isn't using - ie. the module is checking for wimp keypresses and when other tasks have the input focus, it works fine, but with OPro it doesn't. I don't know whether this is to do with the keyboard module or the main application, but it looks as though OPro may claim all keypresses and only pass on keys it knows that other tasks use, e.g. F12. But regardless of the internal behaviour, the external is that the module doesn't detect the keypress. HTH, -- Geoff Youngs, Technical Director // solutions.web - Internet Consultants \\ Tel. +44 (0) 23 9241 2340 // Web : http://www.solutionsweb.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 21 13:51:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155483 for opro ; Fri, 21 Sep 101 13:51:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001067847:11:24260:66; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:24:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124373; 21 Sep 2001 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8LAfTa29403 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:41:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8LAfQp29400 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:41:26 +0100 Received: from 54-1-76-023.tky.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.76.23] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 15kNSS-0003fX-00 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:22:56 +0900 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:28:10 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Protect addressbook and email addresses To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <004a01c14270$ffeb36e0$4d01a8c0@padua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 21 Sep, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > Although Risc PC's are safe for a windows virus, there are many people (I guess) > who also use a windows system. Maybe this can help. > > I have got it from a moderated, trusted maillist for a special brand computer. > Many system administrators with such computers from all over the world have a > subscription. > > mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands > > ---------quote--------------- > > Hey Guys, > What about this method as !0000 entry into address book to at least stop > viruses spreading ? > Viruses are always born before their death ! (antidotes). That is, until the > virus programmers cotton on to this method. :-P > All my regular contacts have done this & we enjoy less junk ! > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Stop address book virus spread > > Create a contact in your email address book with the name !0000 (Exclamation > & four zeros) with no email address in the details box. This contact will > then show up as your first contact in the address book list. If a virus > attempts to "send all" on your contact list as this recent one just did, > then your PC will put up an error message saying ... > > "The Message could not be sent. One or more rcipients do not have an e-mail > address. Please check your address book & make sure all the recipients have > a valid e-mail address". > > You then click on & the offending (virus) message will NOT have been > sent to anyone. Of course no changes have been made to your original > contacts list & the offending (virus) message should be automatically stored > in your "Outbox" or "Drafts" folder. Go in there & delete the offending > message. > > ------------- unquote ---------------------------------- > > Fine, but Marcel wants an email address before it will save anything :-( Paul V! Are ytou listening? Please? :-) Ian P. -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 21 21:22:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155504 for opro ; Fri, 21 Sep 101 21:22:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001081515:10:21111:65; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:11:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1101683; 21 Sep 2001 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8LESe529730 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:28:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8LESYp29727 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:28:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15kR0G-000Kk4-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:10:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:46:05 GMT Message-Id: <155499@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP and keyboard buffer X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It came from a newsgroup posting by the author. I've not seen that, so I don't understand the context of the code that was quoted. I don't know what you're trying to do. >The problem seems to be with OPro not calling Wimp_ProcessKey with the keys >that it isn't using - ie. the module is checking for wimp keypresses and when >other tasks have the input focus, it works fine, but with OPro it doesn't. Thats probably true. But only if you want to use the key presses outside OPro. >pass on keys it knows that other tasks use, e.g. F12. But regardless of the >internal behaviour, the external is that the module doesn't detect the >keypress. I suppose it depends if the module sits on the keyboard vector, or works as a background task. i.e. if it sees the new key presses before or after applications. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 22 13:58:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155546 for opro ; Sat, 22 Sep 101 13:58:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001161228:10:09549:63; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:20:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121002; 22 Sep 2001 12:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8MCZTG30960 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:35:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8MCYIp30956 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:34:32 +0100 Received: from du-012-0128.freeuk.com ([212.126.155.128] helo=freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15klgy-0005Sc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:15:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:45:45 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP and keyboard buffer Message-ID: <9f2896bd4a.steve@steve.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <155499@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <155499@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 21 Sep, in message <155499@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >It came from a newsgroup posting by the author. > > I've not seen that, so I don't understand the context of > the code that was quoted. I don't know what you're trying to do. The code (to be put in the Library) was: SYS "OS_GetEnv" TO command$ command$=MID$(command$,INSTR(command$," ",INSTR(command$,"-quit")+6)+1) FOR char%=1 TO LEN(command$) asc%=ASC(MID$(command$,char%,1)) IF asc%>=128 THEN SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,0 SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,asc% NEXT char% The original request was to use WinKeys to 'type' text at the caret; this works in all the other applications I have here, but doesn't have any effect in Ovation Pro - even with standard ASCII characters. > > The problem seems to be with OPro not calling Wimp_ProcessKey with the > > keys that it isn't using - ie. the module is checking for wimp > > keypresses and when other tasks have the input focus, it works fine, > > but with OPro it doesn't. > > Thats probably true. But only if you want to use the key presses outside > OPro. The problem is that OPro seems to be failing to pass on the keypresses even though it's not using them itself. Other applications can have input focus but WinKeys still sees the codes for the Windows and Menu keys as they seem to get passed on. I hadn't actually noticed this effect until now... > > pass on keys it knows that other tasks use, e.g. F12. But regardless > > of the internal behaviour, the external is that the module doesn't > > detect the keypress. > > I suppose it depends if the module sits on the keyboard vector, or works > as a background task. i.e. if it sees the new key presses before or > after applications. It works as a background task with an off-screen hotkeys window (like the Task Manager). It seemed the most legal way of achieving the effect (alternative suggestions welcomed). As an (possibly related) aside, another module of mine which I wrote several years ago also gets upset by OPro's keyboard handling. PCKeys sits on the InsV to watch for Delete, Copy etc going into the keyboard buffer and changes the codes to mimic those on a PC keyboard. For some reason this totally stops the keys working in OPro. This could well be something stupid that I've done, though I've not seen what it is yet. -- Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 22 17:55:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155564 for opro ; Sat, 22 Sep 101 17:55:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001169526:10:14482:60; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:38:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115337; 22 Sep 2001 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8MEutd31216 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 15:56:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8MEupp31205 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 15:56:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15knux-0004nM-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:38:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:06:16 GMT Message-Id: <155555@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP and keyboard buffer X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The code (to be put in the Library) was: What library? >The original request was to use WinKeys to 'type' text at the caret; this >works in all the other applications I have here, but doesn't have any >effect in Ovation Pro - even with standard ASCII characters. Yeah but as a later point reveals this is probably not due to the typing side of things, but because OPro is not passing on the keypresses which let the module work in the first place. I'm not sure where to go from here. The technique OPro (and Ovation and Hearsay) has used for extending the keyboard has been OK for nearly 13 years, but clearly things are moving on. I have heard that others have done extended keyboard modules, maybe its time to change to using one of those. I don't relish hacking around the code much more. OTOH any solution has to be pretty comprehensive e.g. allowing keys that don't produce codes to work and so on. Ideally the whole of keyboard handing in RISC OS needs redoing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 22 17:55:07 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155565 for opro ; Sat, 22 Sep 101 17:55:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001169540:20:19004:61; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:39:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018909; 22 Sep 2001 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8MEuxW31221 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 15:56:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8MEusp31215 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 15:56:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15knv1-0004nM-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:38:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 15:34:03 GMT Message-Id: <155559@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A label printing tip X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My tip is to start printing the labels from the bottom of the page, >i.e. the area that goes through the printer last. Roger King has pointed out to me that he published this suggestion in Archive some years back. So kudos to him for thinking of the idea first. Anyway there is another approach which doesn't infringe his software patent. Print dialogue box, set left and tumble. Modify Chapter - start on left. Doing it that way you can fill in the labels from the top of the page which is more natural, and how the label applets work. All you have to remember is to stick the unprinted labels in the printer first. I've always felt that tumble could be useful in avoiding paper jams... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 25 20:22:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155577 for opro ; Tue, 25 Sep 101 20:22:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001250053:20:10344:70; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:00:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114336; 23 Sep 2001 13:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8NDIvW32614 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:18:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8NDIsp32611 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:18:54 +0100 Received: from du-002-0168.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.168] helo=freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15l8rW-0000Rq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:59:59 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:58:48 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP and keyboard buffer Message-ID: <468f83be4a.steve@steve.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <155555@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <155555@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 22 Sep, in message <155555@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >The code (to be put in the Library) was: > > What library? Sorry: the 'Library directory' (as set by *Lib), or anywhere else on . > > The original request was to use WinKeys to 'type' text at the caret; > > this works in all the other applications I have here, but doesn't have > > any effect in Ovation Pro - even with standard ASCII characters. > > Yeah but as a later point reveals this is probably not due to the typing > side of things, but because OPro is not passing on the keypresses which > let the module work in the first place. That's true. I hadn't thought of that (mainly because I hadn't noticed that OPro didn't pass these key-presses on until it was mentioned here). -- Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 25 20:22:50 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155582 for opro ; Tue, 25 Sep 101 20:22:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001246034:10:14183:60; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:53:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113454; 23 Sep 2001 11:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8NC9e832453 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:09:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail03.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@mail03.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8NC9bp32450 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:09:37 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async205-1.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.97.205]) by mail03.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AGG90637; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:50:24 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:49:33 +0100 Subject: Importing PObarcodes Message-ID: <4abe7d3858barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Folks, I generate names and addresses in Pipedream, which I then drop into a label template in Ovation and print out. No problem so far. I have Robin Hampshire's POBar code custom function for Pipedream which will generate the bar codes. I was wondering what wrapping would need to be generated so that the barcode when dropped into Ovation had the barcode font at 14 point? A postcode such as M17 2RY comes out as AFSDASDAFSFSFSDFAFSADFADSSDFAF I want to put some wrapping on it perhaps similar to {font_POBAR, textsize 14} AFSDASDAFSFSFSDFAFSADFADSSDFAF so that it comes out in the POBAR font when dropped into Ovation. Is it possible? -- Barry A. Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 25 20:23:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155591 for opro ; Tue, 25 Sep 101 20:23:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001321211:20:03814:62; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 08:46:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003717; 24 Sep 2001 8:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8O94se01157 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:04:54 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.98]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8O94op01154 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:04:50 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 08:33:54 +0000 Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk (unverified) by pcow058m.blueyonder.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:39:23 +0000 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8MCZTG30960 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:35:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8MCYIp30956 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:34:32 +0100 Received: from du-012-0128.freeuk.com ([212.126.155.128] helo=freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15klgy-0005Sc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:15:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:45:45 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP and keyboard buffer Message-ID: <9f2896bd4a.steve@steve.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <155499@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <155499@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-maillist: ovationpro Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 21 Sep, in message <155499@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >It came from a newsgroup posting by the author. > > I've not seen that, so I don't understand the context of > the code that was quoted. I don't know what you're trying to do. The code (to be put in the Library) was: SYS "OS_GetEnv" TO command$ command$=MID$(command$,INSTR(command$," ",INSTR(command$,"-quit")+6)+1) FOR char%=1 TO LEN(command$) asc%=ASC(MID$(command$,char%,1)) IF asc%>=128 THEN SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,0 SYS "OS_Byte",138,0,asc% NEXT char% The original request was to use WinKeys to 'type' text at the caret; this works in all the other applications I have here, but doesn't have any effect in Ovation Pro - even with standard ASCII characters. > > The problem seems to be with OPro not calling Wimp_ProcessKey with the > > keys that it isn't using - ie. the module is checking for wimp > > keypresses and when other tasks have the input focus, it works fine, > > but with OPro it doesn't. > > Thats probably true. But only if you want to use the key presses outside > OPro. The problem is that OPro seems to be failing to pass on the keypresses even though it's not using them itself. Other applications can have input focus but WinKeys still sees the codes for the Windows and Menu keys as they seem to get passed on. I hadn't actually noticed this effect until now... > > pass on keys it knows that other tasks use, e.g. F12. But regardless > > of the internal behaviour, the external is that the module doesn't > > detect the keypress. > > I suppose it depends if the module sits on the keyboard vector, or works > as a background task. i.e. if it sees the new key presses before or > after applications. It works as a background task with an off-screen hotkeys window (like the Task Manager). It seemed the most legal way of achieving the effect (alternative suggestions welcomed). As an (possibly related) aside, another module of mine which I wrote several years ago also gets upset by OPro's keyboard handling. PCKeys sits on the InsV to watch for Delete, Copy etc going into the keyboard buffer and changes the codes to mimic those on a PC keyboard. For some reason this totally stops the keys working in OPro. This could well be something stupid that I've done, though I've not seen what it is yet. -- Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 25 20:23:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155597 for opro ; Tue, 25 Sep 101 20:23:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001370005:20:19028:60; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:20:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125005; 24 Sep 2001 22:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8OMb4P02216 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:37:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8OMb1p02213 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:37:02 +0100 Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id d.6e.107aee4d (3999) for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:17:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <6e.107aee4d.28e10aff@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:17:35 EDT Subject: PObarcodes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro My interest in using the POBar applet has been reawakened, but I still don't see how we poor mortals who don't know the Deliver Point for an address can use it. If I put in (say) LS17 1AZ and leave the Delivery Point box blank, the applet does produce a Bar code. But decoding that bar code produces a Post code of LS171 and a Delivery Point of AZ. What am I not doing properly? Surely I can't just invent delivery points! TomH -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 25 20:23:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155599 for opro ; Tue, 25 Sep 101 20:23:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001413315:20:02491:62; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:21:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121489; 25 Sep 2001 10:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8PActg03087 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:38:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk ([195.166.78.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8PAcqp03084 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:38:52 +0100 Received: from brushford.aaugonline.net [217.79.97.144] by smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk (SMTPD32-6.05) id AA321401EC; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:19:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robin A. Hampshire" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:08:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Importing PObarcodes Message-ID: <4abf7baa4brah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4abf745484barry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <4abe7d3858barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4abef39afbrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> <4abf745484barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4abf745484barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen wrote: > I'm not sure that I understand the above. I often print out up to > 200 address labels. Would that mean that I had to go through all > 200 changing the style of the barcode? If you do that, and you're preparing the addresses themselves in Pipedream, then by far the most efficient solution would be to export the PD data in CSV format, and use a mail-merge label template in OPro which uses multiple records on one sheet. All 200 labels would be printed with just a few clicks. Let me know if you'd like an example file - I use the same setup myself sometimes. -- Robin Hampshire rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 25 20:24:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155602 for opro ; Tue, 25 Sep 101 20:24:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001436248:20:04308:61; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:44:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004019; 25 Sep 2001 16:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8PGnhV03613 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:49:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgrouter2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgrouter2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.141]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8PGnep03610 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:49:41 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async176-1.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.97.176]) by msgrouter2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AFG23416; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:30:05 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:17:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Importing PObarcodes Message-ID: <4abf97f739barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4abf7baa4brah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> References: <4abe7d3858barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4abef39afbrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> <4abf745484barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4abf7baa4bra User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Robin A. Hampshire wrote: > In article <4abf745484barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen > wrote: > > I'm not sure that I understand the above. I often print out up to > > 200 address labels. Would that mean that I had to go through all > > 200 changing the style of the barcode? > If you do that, and you're preparing the addresses themselves in > Pipedream, then by far the most efficient solution would be to export > the PD data in CSV format, and use a mail-merge label template in > OPro which uses multiple records on one sheet. All 200 labels would > be printed with just a few clicks. > Let me know if you'd like an example file - I use the same setup > myself sometimes. Yes please. Although I just drop the plain text file generated from a Pipedream custom function (see below) onto the Ovation label template and then print out. Mr G.A. Aimson 37 Station Road Honley Huddersfield HD7 2LL Mr Graham Barber 6 Tirza Avenue Burnage Manchester M19 2JY Mr Andy W Cochran 9 Deneway Close Dene Park Stockport SK4 2HX Mr J Delaney 12 Oak Drive Denton Manchester M34 2JS etc. etc etc etc etc -- Barry A. Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 25 20:32:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155608 for opro ; Tue, 25 Sep 101 20:32:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001324103:10:05070:60; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:35:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110741; 24 Sep 2001 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8O9hoO01257 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:43:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk ([195.166.78.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8O9hlp01254 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:43:47 +0100 Received: from brushford.aaugonline.net [217.79.97.170] by smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk (SMTPD32-6.05) id ABCC167B006A; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:24:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robin A. Hampshire" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:22:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Importing PObarcodes Message-ID: <4abef39afbrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4abe7d3858barry@e-allen.co.uk> References: <4abe7d3858barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4abe7d3858barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen wrote: > Hi Folks, > I generate names and addresses in Pipedream, which I then drop into > a label template in Ovation and print out. No problem so far. > I want to put some wrapping on it perhaps similar to {font_POBAR, > textsize 14} AFSDASDAFSFSFSDFAFSADFADSSDFAF so that it comes out in > the POBAR font when dropped into Ovation. > Is it possible? As far as my experiments show, the only way for OPro to recognise {font} and {textsize} commands is when they are dropped in as part of a DDL file. This would mean at least one extra stage in your export from Pipedream. The simplest workaround I can think of is to have a style in your template document, which displays text in the POBar font at 14 pt, and which applies to "Word". Then click anywhere in the barcode characters and change their style. If you use the "style palette" applet, which puts the style submenu permanently on screen, it is a fairly painless exercise. If you're using it in a mailmerge, then define your {merge} tag in the necessary style and it will be done automatically for each sheet/letter. Beware though, because the tag will not be visible on screen until you start the merge - this is because none of the characters in "{MergeXX}" are defined in the POBar font. -- Robin Hampshire rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 25 20:32:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155609 for opro ; Tue, 25 Sep 101 20:32:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001329702:10:21757:365; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:08:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008922; 24 Sep 2001 10:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8OBDxS01487 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:13:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.98]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8OBDup01484 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:13:56 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:24:24 +0000 Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk (unverified) by pcow058m.blueyonder.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:14:45 +0000 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8NC9e832453 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:09:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail03.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@mail03.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8NC9bp32450 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:09:37 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async205-1.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.97.205]) by mail03.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AGG90637; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:50:24 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:49:33 +0100 Subject: Importing PObarcodes Message-ID: <4abe7d3858barry@e-allen.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-maillist: ovationpro Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Folks, I generate names and addresses in Pipedream, which I then drop into a label template in Ovation and print out. No problem so far. I have Robin Hampshire's POBar code custom function for Pipedream which will generate the bar codes. I was wondering what wrapping would need to be generated so that the barcode when dropped into Ovation had the barcode font at 14 point? A postcode such as M17 2RY comes out as AFSDASDAFSFSFSDFAFSADFADSSDFAF I want to put some wrapping on it perhaps similar to {font_POBAR, textsize 14} AFSDASDAFSFSFSDFAFSADFADSSDFAF so that it comes out in the POBAR font when dropped into Ovation. Is it possible? -- Barry A. Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 25 20:43:58 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155624 for opro ; Tue, 25 Sep 101 20:43:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001404145:11:07630:60; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:49:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023863; 25 Sep 2001 7:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8P87YL02786 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:07:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk ([195.166.78.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8P87Vp02783 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:07:31 +0100 Received: from brushford.aaugonline.net [217.79.97.195] by smtp-3.mail.griffin.net.uk (SMTPD32-6.05) id A68B510130; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:47:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robin A. Hampshire" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:21:48 +0100 Subject: Re: PObarcodes Message-ID: <4abf6c60d2rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6e.107aee4d.28e10aff@aol.com> References: <6e.107aee4d.28e10aff@aol.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <6e.107aee4d.28e10aff@aol.com>, wrote: > My interest in using the POBar applet has been reawakened, but I > still don't see how we poor mortals who don't know the Deliver > Point for an address can use it. While I was fiddling with the Pipedream function to produce po barcodes, I decoded some of the barcodes sent to me by big businesses (banks, ins co's, etc) using OPro's applet. I discovered that my own delivery point is anything from 1N to 9Z, with lots of choices in between. However, I do know that my own postcode covers just 15 drops, so 9Z is pushing it a bit. > If I put in (say) LS17 1AZ and leave the Delivery Point box blank, > the applet does produce a Bar code. > But decoding that bar code produces a Post code of LS171 and a > Delivery Point of AZ. What am I not doing properly? OPro's barcode decoding routine assumes that the final two characters (before the checksum) is always the delivery point, with the post code itself being of any length remaining. > Surely I can't just invent delivery points! >From my own experience, either the big companies are doing precisely that, or someone else is doing it for them and then charging them big bucks for the privilege. I doesn't seem to make any difference to the end result. Until recently I was a relief postman in this very remote part of Devon where I live (so I can't speak for big-smoke places). Our sub sorting office covered six villages, each of approx 1000 souls, and the postmen know everyone in that area personally, as they regularly rotate their rounds. A large proportion of drops are to outlying farms, where the postmen are used as more than just deliverers of letters. Although automated sorting at the main sorting office is becoming more and more prevalent, and the po (sorry Consignia) are trying to do more and more sorting at the main sorting office rather than later at the point of delivery, the time when it is all done by computer is still a long long way in the future. There is always some sorting done at the sub-sorting office, and it is rare for the postman to look at more than the first two lines of the address. The postcode is only looked at if the letter has been sent to the wrong area. I suspect that for practical purposes, and until postmen are replaced by an automated final delivery system, the delivery point is redundant. -- Robin Hampshire rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 25 20:44:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155625 for opro ; Tue, 25 Sep 101 20:43:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001408174:10:01999:88; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:56:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114152; 25 Sep 2001 8:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8P9DNp02927 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:13:23 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgrouter2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgrouter2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.141]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8P9DKp02924 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:13:20 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async32-17.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.113.32]) by msgrouter2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AFF96320; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:53:49 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:48:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Importing PObarcodes Message-ID: <4abf745484barry@e-allen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4abef39afbrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> References: <4abe7d3858barry@e-allen.co.uk> <4abef39afbrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Robin A. Hampshire wrote: > In article <4abe7d3858barry@e-allen.co.uk>, Barry E Allen > wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I generate names and addresses in Pipedream, which I then drop into > > a label template in Ovation and print out. No problem so far. > > > I want to put some wrapping on it perhaps similar to {font_POBAR, > > textsize 14} AFSDASDAFSFSFSDFAFSADFADSSDFAF so that it comes out in > > the POBAR font when dropped into Ovation. > > Is it possible? > As far as my experiments show, the only way for OPro to recognise > {font} and {textsize} commands is when they are dropped in as part of > a DDL file. This would mean at least one extra stage in your export > from Pipedream. > The simplest workaround I can think of is to have a style in your > template document, which displays text in the POBar font at 14 pt, > and which applies to "Word". Then click anywhere in the barcode > characters and change their style. If you use the "style palette" > applet, which puts the style submenu permanently on screen, it is a > fairly painless exercise. I'm not sure that I understand the above. I often print out up to 200 address labels. Would that mean that I had to go through all 200 changing the style of the barcode? -- Barry A. Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.broughton-park.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 26 21:21:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155700 for opro ; Wed, 26 Sep 101 21:21:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001533448:20:07972:66; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:44:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117383; 26 Sep 2001 19:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8QJxLV05146 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:59:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8QJxIp05143 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:59:18 +0100 Received: from [62.7.62.142] (helo=Gandalf) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15mKWy-00019R-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:39:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:39:07 +0100 From: Barbara Ann Seery To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: bug in opro 2.66? Message-ID: <92b733c04a%Barbara@jseery.btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro We've recently upgraded to Ovation Pro 2.66 and the following seems to be a repeatable bug on our system. From New... on the iconbar menu, create a new document with margins set at 0mm on all sides. Then create an arbitrary frame in this new document. After typing exactly two lines of text, Ovation Pro will crash, but is recoverable with Alt-Break. This seems similar to the 'funny thing' reported by Stuart Murden on 10 September, except that in our case it seems exactly repeatable. As far as we can recall, this did not occur on our previous version (2.58). Barbara Seery -- ba.seery@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 27 01:15:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155709 for opro ; Thu, 27 Sep 101 01:15:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001538038:10:25135:77; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:00:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017551; 26 Sep 2001 20:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8QLEJf05333 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:14:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgrouter2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgrouter2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.141]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8QLEGp05330 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:14:16 +0100 Received: from bghill.onetel.net.uk ([213.78.42.80]) by msgrouter2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AFH07435; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:54:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:57:42 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: bug in opro 2.66? To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <92b733c04a%Barbara@jseery.btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 26 Sep, Barbara Ann Seery wrote: > This seems similar to the 'funny thing' reported by Stuart Murden on 10 > September, except that in our case it seems exactly repeatable. As far > as we can recall, this did not occur on our previous version (2.58). > > Barbara Seery > Have just tried this out here without any problem, both with a small frame and one almost the whole width of the page. I have had problems with characters continually repeating at the end of a text block, but I suspect that it is more to do with my system than any particular program. It may be something to do with adding fonts, although I do tend to follow instructions. It occurred recently when I copied a complex advert of a few text and graphic frames from last November's Magazine into the current edition. After that I had complete lock-ups but this turned out to relate to another frame on another page which had not given trouble until then. By not allowing the frame to be displayed and copying all the other material onto another page, lock-ups were avoided and the page with its rogue frame was deleted restoring everything to its normal good behaviour. When the document with the problem was saved as DDL, this would not load back into OP, but went into a continuous loop. After watching the hour-glass for a few minutes a reboot was the only way out. Bernard. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 27 01:15:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155711 for opro ; Thu, 27 Sep 101 01:15:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001539793:11:12500:118; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:29:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026460; 26 Sep 2001 21:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8QLkm405451 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:46:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8QLkjp05448 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:46:46 +0100 Received: from [62.7.12.43] (helo=Gandalf) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15mMCs-0001aU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:27:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:26:53 +0100 From: Barbara Ann Seery To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: bug in opro 2.66? Message-ID: <93953dc04a%Barbara@jseery.btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68 User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Wed 26 Sep, Barbara Ann Seery wrote: > > This seems similar to the 'funny thing' reported by Stuart Murden on 10 > > September, except that in our case it seems exactly repeatable. As far > > as we can recall, this did not occur on our previous version (2.58). > > > Have just tried this out here without any problem, both with a small > frame and one almost the whole width of the page. In fact, this would appear to be a problem with the applet `Lists', as supplied on the OPro 2.60 CD. With this applet installed, I can reliably cause an infinite loop, even straight after a reset with nothing other than OPro loaded, by typing any line of the form . (The idea of exactly two lines appears to have been a red herring; it simply happened that my second line usually involved a number followed by a space in this manner.) The problem no longer occurs with the applet removed. Barbara Seery -- ba.seery@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 27 15:01:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155738 for opro ; Thu, 27 Sep 101 15:01:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001594251:10:27716:63; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:37:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027470; 27 Sep 2001 12:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8RCuAr06306 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:56:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail03.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@mail03.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8RB85p06181 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:08:11 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async162-11.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.107.162]) by mail03.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AGL94744; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:47:35 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: SPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:46:34 +0100 Subject: Fill Tool printing problem. Message-ID: <4ac086cc1csps@penniceard.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, If I use the Fill Tool to produce a graded colour from say green to yellow and then print it, the result comes out a muddy black and yet two boxes on the same page of similar colour where the Fill Tool has not been used print as expected. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? RISC-OS 4.02, OP 2.66, BJC-7100, Spacetech printer software, Printers 1.62. I presume I have the most recent Colour Supplement (how can I tell the version number does not seem to appear anywhere?). Thanks Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard || || || || Specialist Psychological Services ||||| |||| ||||| 8 Loxley Road, London SW18 3LJ || || || Tel. +44 (0) 20 8874 1569 ||||| |||| ||||| sps@penniceard.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 27 15:02:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155740 for opro ; Thu, 27 Sep 101 15:02:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001594264:10:28073:61; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:37:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127222; 27 Sep 2001 12:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8RCuCm06311 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:56:12 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8RCuAp06308 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:56:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15maOs-000586-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:36:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:26:34 GMT Message-Id: <155730@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I use the Fill Tool to produce a graded colour from say green to >yellow and then print it, the result comes out a muddy black and yet >two boxes on the same page of similar colour where the Fill Tool has >not been used print as expected. Fills work by generating a sprite containing the colour shading and printing that. A normal solid filled frame works by telling RISC OS to print a solid area. So if you want to make a comparison, it should be with sprite printing. >RISC-OS 4.02, OP 2.66, BJC-7100, Spacetech printer software, Printers 1.62. I suspect the problem won't arise with a standard printer driver? >I presume I have the most recent Colour Supplement (how can I tell the >version number does not seem to appear anywhere?). Applets have a !Info file inside them which can be used to work out the version number. e.g. 1.07 gives a major version of 1 and a minor of 7. Incidentally you're posting to the list from an address that isn't subscribed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 28 13:44:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155780 for opro ; Fri, 28 Sep 101 13:43:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001669166:10:03345:720; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:26:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1000899; 28 Sep 2001 9:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8S9LiR07514 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:21:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@[212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8S9Lfp07511 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:21:41 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async68-3.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.99.68]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAM05241; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:01:40 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:02:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. Message-ID: <4ac101250brogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: <155730@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <155730@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <155730@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >If I use the Fill Tool to produce a graded colour from say green to > >yellow and then print it, the result comes out a muddy black and yet > >two boxes on the same page of similar colour where the Fill Tool has > >not been used print as expected. > Fills work by generating a sprite containing the colour shading and > printing that. A normal solid filled frame works by telling RISC OS > to print a solid area. So if you want to make a comparison, it should > be with sprite printing. Thanks for your comments David. I have created a similar fill using Photodesk and then I imported it as a sprite into OP immediately below the OP created fill in the document. The Photodesk fill prints normally but I am still left with muddy black from the OP fill. The only difference that I can see is that OP reports the OP fill as a text frame and the Photodesk fill as a picture frame. > Incidentally you're posting to the list from an address that isn't > subscribed. Sorry about this, I am not sure whether it is the address in my sig that is significant or the service provider I happen to be logged on to. I have three which I use for different purposes and I can't remember which I subscribed to this group with. Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 28 21:55:10 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155799 for opro ; Fri, 28 Sep 101 21:55:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001695944:10:23056:60; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:52:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109771; 28 Sep 2001 16:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8SHBGW08163 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:11:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8SHBEp08160 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:11:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15n0qv-000Mhs-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:51:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:51:32 GMT Message-Id: <155786@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Thanks for your comments David. I have created a similar fill using >Photodesk and then I imported it as a sprite into OP immediately below >the OP created fill in the document. Ah but, the same colour depth as the OPro one? OPro looks at the printer info when decidding how deep a sprite to produce, so that is a possible source of the trouble. The obvious, and not very helpful advice, is to try printing to a standard driver (SPrinter off my web site if nothing else), if that works then approach Spacetech and ask about latest version numbers of their drivers. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 28 21:55:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155802 for opro ; Fri, 28 Sep 101 21:55:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001700452:10:08200:61; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:07:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112479; 28 Sep 2001 18:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8SIR2l08322 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:27:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8SIR0p08319 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:27:00 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust218.tnt40.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.174.218] with SMTP for id UAA28468 (8.8.8/1.3); Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:06:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002601c14848$64c7deb0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <155786@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:06:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >Thanks for your comments David. I have created a similar fill using > >Photodesk and then I imported it as a sprite into OP immediately below > >the OP created fill in the document. > > Ah but, the same colour depth as the OPro one? > > OPro looks at the printer info when decidding how deep a sprite to produce, > so that is a possible source of the trouble. > Makes me wonder what colour depth OvP uses for printing to PostScript (file). Ps output is ok in RiScript Pro (when linear fill is used within the rectangle of a frame, there is no clipping problem), also when imported directly in CorelDRAW9 (as long as RGB colours are used in OvP, the colours in CorelDRAW are also ok). The colour depth is at least 32K, because CorelDRAW9 imports this filled frame as a "bitmap in a PostScript file" as ONE object with a mask. It doesn't when a "bitmap in a PostScript file" has a lower colour depth. Distilling to pdf in RiScript Pro, Acrobat 3.02 and !ps2pdf+GhostScript 6.5 is also no problem. But, display of the pdf, made with Acrobat, is better than the pdf's made with RiScript Pro and Ghostscript. This is visible in "all" my readers !pdf, RiScript Pro and Acrobat 3.02 and 4. Of course, this can be caused by the distilling program, but this uses the data in the PostScript output file. So, I wonder, what depth is offered by OvP for PostScript printing. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 28 21:55:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155804 for opro ; Fri, 28 Sep 101 21:55:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001704374:10:01455:60; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:12:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001374; 28 Sep 2001 19:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8SJWYq08471 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:32:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8SJWVp08468 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:32:31 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-2-1-dialup-33.spectraweb.ch [194.230.203.33]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f8SJCKK24508 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:12:20 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:09:15 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4ac086cc1csps@penniceard.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 27 Sep, SPS wrote: > If I use the Fill Tool to produce a graded colour from say green to > yellow and then print it, the result comes out a muddy black and yet ........ I have RISC-OS 4.02, OP 2.66, BJC-7100, Spacetech printer software, but use Printers 1.53 (did not have time to change/update Printers to later version for the Spacetech software). I tried the same as you did and it comes out beautifully. > two boxes on the same page of similar colour where the Fill Tool has > not been used print as expected. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? You have to set up the Spacetech software correctly. **And the printer driver configuration as well** If the Spacetech software is programmed for the BC-62 cartridge (and here you have a choice between Graphic or Photograph in the PhotoReal -separation-setup window) but the printer for the BC-61 cartridge (or vice-versa) the print output gets muddled up. Also check that you have 'Graphic' selected in the BJC-7100 Quality window. As Fill is not a photograph... Once you have a good output, I suggest you write down what you selected. The amount of choices between the 2 programs (Spacetech and Printers) can lead to forget something a next time you want to do the same. > RISC-OS 4.02, OP 2.66, BJC-7100, Spacetech printer software, Printers 1.62. > I presume I have the most recent Colour Supplement (how can I tell the > version number does not seem to appear anywhere?). There is a special Applet-handling-program named !Applets. Lets you handle applets and shows the applet version numbers as well. Hope this helps. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 29 13:56:53 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155831 for opro ; Sat, 29 Sep 101 13:56:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001725049:20:19911:60; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:57:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019815; 29 Sep 2001 0:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8T1GRT08878 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 02:16:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8T1GPp08875 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 02:16:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15n8QT-0004VL-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:56:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:00:28 GMT Message-Id: <155807@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Fills in PostScript are a special case. Unlike bit map printers where a sprite is generated, OPro writes PS code direct to the printer. So there are no depth related limitations. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 29 13:57:05 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155835 for opro ; Sat, 29 Sep 101 13:57:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001759833:20:14175:60; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:37:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106536; 29 Sep 2001 10:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8TAsq409447 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:54:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@[212.67.96.148]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8TAsmp09444 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:54:49 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async28-3.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.99.28]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAM36603; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:34:19 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:35:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. Message-ID: <4ac18d780brogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ac086cc1csps@penniceard.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Thu 27 Sep, SPS wrote: > > If I use the Fill Tool to produce a graded colour from say green to > > yellow and then print it, the result comes out a muddy black and yet > ........ > I have RISC-OS 4.02, OP 2.66, BJC-7100, Spacetech printer software, > but use Printers 1.53 (did not have time to change/update Printers to > later version for the Spacetech software). > I tried the same as you did and it comes out beautifully. Thanks for this info John, it set me to experimenting further with OP, as I had all the Spacetech printer software set up ok. I have now discovered that the muddy black effect only happens when the colour tint used in the fill is less than 100%. At 100% the fill prints perfectly but at 99% the yellow turns to a dark blue and the green turns to red. As the tint is set lower and lower the print gets darker until at 60% the muddy black appears. I wonder if you can reproduce this or if it gives David any further insight into what is going on. Roger. -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 29 13:57:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155836 for opro ; Sat, 29 Sep 101 13:57:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001762525:20:26678:60; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:22:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026595; 29 Sep 2001 11:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8TBfuI09591 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:41:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from trillian.netcom.co.uk (trillian.netcom.co.uk [194.73.160.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f8TBfsp09588 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:41:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 27587 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 11:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO thilm.netcom.co.uk) (62.7.253.245) by dns.netcom.co.uk with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 11:21:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:22:10 +0100 (BST) From: T C & A H Pegg Subject: Receiving blank emails? To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f8TBfsp09589 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f8TBfuJ09591 I apologise if this topic is off topic and I have a feeling that it may w= ell have been discussed whilst I was off-line due to changing ISP in August, = but I had a blank email written by David Pilling as follows:- "Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:00:28 GMT From: David Pilling Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk David Pilling" I use the Ant Internet Suite with !Marcel. I looked in UserDir.Mail.INBOX and found that David had said:- "Fills in PostScript are a special case. Unlike bit map printers where a sprite is generated, OPro writes PS code direct to the printer. So there = are no depth related limitations." A colleague and myself have also been experiencing minor problems with attachments sent to email recipients who were bemused by the attachments becoming detached and attached to other incoming emails or blank replies sent back to us. These have included pdf's made with RiScript and both vector and bitmap graphics sent to PC and Mac platforms. We have as yet n= ot been able to reproduce the problems between ourselves. Can anyone shed any light, but not too technical, is a problem with Marce= l or our recipient's mail software, or is it a combination of both? --=20 Hilary & Tim Pegg Thilmcraft Graphics =A9, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellin= gton, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ http//www.ecn.co.uk/netspace/dereham Tel/Fax(On request) No: +44(0)1362 691690 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 29 14:38:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155841 for opro ; Sat, 29 Sep 101 14:38:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001768083:10:18929:60; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:54:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018735; 29 Sep 2001 12:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8TDETW09764 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 14:14:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8TDEQp09761 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 14:14:26 +0100 Received: from undying-lands.demon.co.uk ([158.152.183.171]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15nJdE-0007PZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:54:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:53:34 +0100 From: Nick Boalch To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Receiving blank emails? Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: University of Durham, Durham UK User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.56beta1 (MsgServe/1.76beta1) (RISC-OS/4.03) POPstar/2.03 X-PGP-key-at: http://users.durge.org/~ngb/key.gpg.asc X-PGP-fingerprint: 6A61 3673 55ED C547 0C5A 4ABD 44F8 8CB2 A125 E138 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 29 Sep 2001, T C & A H Pegg wrote: > I apologise if this topic is off topic and I have a feeling that it may > well have been discussed whilst I was off-line due to changing ISP in > August, but I had a blank email written by David Pilling as follows:- [...] > Can anyone shed any light, but not too technical, is a problem with Marcel > or our recipient's mail software, or is it a combination of both? It's a Marcel problem. See http://www.vigay.com/cgi-bin/r?a=inetupgrades for the fix. Cheers, Nick -- If cryptography is outlawed, only outlaws wifo4(F9%!98f3((hg$;'da"d;f+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 29 16:43:04 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155844 for opro ; Sat, 29 Sep 101 16:43:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001776981:10:04226:60; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:23:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102725; 29 Sep 2001 15:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8TFgQa09983 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:42:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from trillian.netcom.co.uk (trillian.netcom.co.uk [194.73.160.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f8TFgNp09980 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:42:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 25644 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2001 15:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO thilm.netcom.co.uk) (62.7.253.175) by dns.netcom.co.uk with SMTP; 29 Sep 2001 15:22:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:22:13 +0100 (BST) From: T C & A H Pegg Subject: Blank emails To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f8TFgOp09981 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f8TFgQb09983 Many thanks to all those that have told me about the fix with the mta :-)= ) Tim --=20 Hilary & Tim Pegg Thilmcraft Graphics =A9, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellin= gton, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ http//www.ecn.co.uk/netspace/dereham Tel/Fax(On request) No: +44(0)1362 691690 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 2 20:17:58 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155870 for opro ; Tue, 02 Oct 101 20:17:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001966631:20:19743:63; Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:03:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019498; 1 Oct 2001 20:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f91KKnB14198 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:20:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f91KKjp14195 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:20:46 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-2-dialup-21.spectraweb.ch [194.230.154.21]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f91JxrK13706 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:59:54 +0200 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:19:34 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4ac18d780brogersps@onetel.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 29 Sep, Roger Penniceard wrote: > Thanks for this info John, it set me to experimenting further with OP, > as I had all the Spacetech printer software set up ok. I have now > discovered that the muddy black effect only happens when the colour > tint used in the fill is less than 100%. At 100% the fill prints > perfectly but at 99% the yellow turns to a dark blue and the green > turns to red. As the tint is set lower and lower the print gets darker > until at 60% the muddy black appears. I wonder if you can reproduce > this or if it gives David any further insight into what is going on. I'm sorry to say that I succeeded reproducing what you did! A bar 1 x 15 cm going from 20% green to 40% yellow turned out printed as very dark black and smudgy. I've run some more tests and am sending the results to David Pilling for evaluation. (Snail mail, so takes some time...) I fear that the main problem most probably lies with the printer drivers. I have heard that the output from PC-windoze is better :-( JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 2 20:18:42 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155883 for opro ; Tue, 02 Oct 101 20:18:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1001976432:10:09105:60; Mon, 01 Oct 2001 22:47:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126029; 1 Oct 2001 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f91N7P914480 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:07:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@[212.67.96.149]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f91N7Mp14477 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:07:22 +0100 Received: from onetel.net.uk (async211-15.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.111.211]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAJ36621; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:46:35 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Penniceard To: OVATIONP-L Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:47:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. Message-ID: <4ac2d82a50rogersps@onetel.net.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ac18d780brogersps@onetel.net.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Sat 29 Sep, Roger Penniceard wrote: > > > Thanks for this info John, it set me to experimenting further with > > OP, as I had all the Spacetech printer software set up ok. I have > > now discovered that the muddy black effect only happens when the > > colour tint used in the fill is less than 100%. At 100% the fill > > prints perfectly but at 99% the yellow turns to a dark blue and the > > green turns to red. As the tint is set lower and lower the print > > gets darker until at 60% the muddy black appears. I wonder if you > > can reproduce this or if it gives David any further insight into > > what is going on. > I'm sorry to say that I succeeded reproducing what you did! A bar 1 x > 15 cm going from 20% green to 40% yellow turned out printed as very > dark black and smudgy. > I've run some more tests and am sending the results to David Pilling > for evaluation. (Snail mail, so takes some time...) > I fear that the main problem most probably lies with the printer > drivers. I have heard that the output from PC-windoze is better :-( I am relieved it is not just my setup. If it is the printer driver Photodesk are very efficient at sorting problems out but I will wait and see what David thinks first. Unfortunately I have not got an alternative colour printer to try it to see if it works with a standard colour printer driver. Thanks for your help in sorting this John. Roger. -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard ||||| |||| ||||| rogersps@onetel.net.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 3 02:25:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA155913 for opro ; Wed, 03 Oct 101 02:25:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1002058233:20:20861:60; Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:30:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020708; 2 Oct 2001 21:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f92Ln3B16357 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:49:03 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f92Ln1p16354 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:49:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oX56-000C1x-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:28:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 22:26:11 GMT Message-Id: <155899@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Tool printing problem. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I am relieved it is not just my setup. If it is the printer driver >Photodesk are very efficient at sorting problems out but I will wait >and see what David thinks first. Its got to be worth knowing what the latest version of the Spacetech driver is relative to what you are using. I also think the first thing I'd do is try a standard driver on the same print job e.g. SPrinter. If SPrinter fails then its practically certain the problem is OP, and the converse is also true. >Unfortunately I have not got an alternative colour printer to try it to see >if it works with a standard colour printer driver. SPrinter is available for free from my web site (so there is no escape). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message