From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 31 22:27:07 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153609 for opro ; Tue, 31 Jul 101 22:26:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996562726:10:01204:65; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 06:58:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001137; 31 Jul 2001 6:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6V75Ax02671 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:05:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6V758p02668 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:05:08 +0100 Received: from [62.188.24.196] (helo=62.188.24.196) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15RTNx-0007vn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:52:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:50:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Smart quotes Message-ID: <4aa2983850davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Peter Prewett wrote: > I am having problems in getting Smart quotes to work:-(( > If I import text with quotes it displays as Smart quotes but when > inserting directly it fails to work, what am I missing/not doing? > I have Smart quotes selected in choices. > Using version 2.65 > It is also interesting to see that one can install a second copy of > Ovation to the icon bar. > Cheers Peter I seem to recall that you also need the !Quotes applet loaded David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Author IdxPro,Newframe,WordWrks and Labeller | | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 31 22:27:14 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153610 for opro ; Tue, 31 Jul 101 22:27:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996571151:10:08198:101; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:19:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112495; 31 Jul 2001 9:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6V9LGI02910 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:21:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from gtonline.net (gtonline.net [212.30.8.232] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6V9LDp02907 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:21:13 +0100 Received: from GTonline.net [212.30.11.41] by gtonline.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A6CF6EB0112; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:13:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:13:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Smart quotes Message-ID: <4aa29fc348rmking@gtonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4aa2983850davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4aa2983850davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4aa2983850davidb@argonet.co.uk>, David Breakwell wrote: > I seem to recall that you also need the !Quotes applet loaded. Smart quotes are generated with the aid of the !THe applet on my set-up. It installs on the Applets menu as 'As-you-type' and offers: THe to The Double spaces Ellipsis Ligatures Hyphens Smart quotes Selection quoting Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 31 22:33:14 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153625 for opro ; Tue, 31 Jul 101 22:33:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996530340:20:09237:64; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:59:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111349; 30 Jul 2001 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6UM3K201987 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:03:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from pandora.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.84]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6UM3Fp01984 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:03:16 +0100 Received: from localhost.com (ppp-227.cust210-9-29.ghr.chariot.net.au [210.9.29.227]) by pandora.chariot.net.au (8.11.1/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6ULtx215745 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:26:01 +0930 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:17:41 +0830 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Smart quotes Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am having problems in getting Smart quotes to work:-(( If I import text with quotes it displays as Smart quotes but when inserting directly it fails to work, what am I missing/not doing? I have Smart quotes selected in choices. Using version 2.65 It is also interesting to see that one can install a second copy of Ovation to the icon bar. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 1 03:34:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153658 for opro ; Wed, 01 Aug 101 03:34:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996621594:10:20522:65; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:19:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020339; 31 Jul 2001 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6VNPQC04175 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:25:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.72]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6VNPFp04172 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:25:24 +0100 Received: from ppp-1-245.5800-6.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.153.245] helo=ghc) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 15Rily-000NLJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 00:17:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 00:10:25 +0100 Subject: New versions of OPro stuff. Message-ID: <4aa2ec6a40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I've uploaded new versions of the following Ovation Pro related stuff. All can be downloaded from: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- OvnPro - StrongHelp Script Reference Guide. (V1.03) This version has been updated with new functions and events that have recently been introduced in Ovation Pro 2.64/65. Also new to this version is the addition of the other sections from the paper based manual that were not previously included, chapters 1-3. (Overview, Writing & Executing Scripts, Script Language Details.) Although the StrongHelp version now has all the sections from the version off the CD, I still recommend printing out a paper based copy. Or better still, purchasing a copy from David Pilling, supplied as a handy A5, 128 page, wire bound manual. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NudgePal - Object moving/resizing applet (V1.04) NOTE: Requires Ovation Pro 2.61 or later. No real changes in this version from the last. The main difference is that a SELECT Click on the resizing frame will now enable object resizing if it is not already selected, and an ADJUST Click will disable object resizing. Those that have used the resizing feature in the last version will realize that this new change is a handy short cut that saves an extra Click. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- PastePos - Paste objects in position. (V1.01) NOTE: Requires Ovation Pro 2.64 or later. Now handles objects that are at negative X or Y positions. I'm surprised that nobody has reported this. Or is nobody using this applet :-( ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 1 14:57:29 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153672 for opro ; Wed, 01 Aug 101 14:57:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996658309:20:00250:65; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:31:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118358; 1 Aug 2001 9:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f719b6P04875 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:37:06 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk [132.185.240.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f719b3p04872 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:37:03 +0100 Received: from w1bhxi04.radio.bbc.co.uk ([10.48.8.68]) by gateh.thls.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f719UMO26530 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:30:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from w1bhxf01.radio.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w1bhxi04.radio.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:29:44 +0100 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA996B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: 'Alternative' Resources Site Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:29:39 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings, Does anybody know what has happened to this site? I am trying to insert a merge command to print 'page x of y'. Unfortunately there is an error in my printout of hints page in the 'for' loop of the merge command definition. (I know there is en error because the brackets are not paired.) I wanted to check the original before asking for assistance. Michael > Michael Hunter > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 2 01:42:42 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153711 for opro ; Thu, 02 Aug 101 01:42:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996703057:10:05853:64; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:57:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005756; 1 Aug 2001 21:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f71M3cn06050 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:03:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f71M3ap06047 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:03:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15S3yK-00035y-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:56:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:49:22 GMT Message-Id: <153694@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Word loader... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Tonight I happened upon www.wvware.com seemingly this is an open source project for loading MS Word files. One obvious idea would be for someone to target it at OPro DDL files. But it would probably be of some use in its text output form for RISC OS users in general. It does seem to do modern Word files, so it would be a step forward. Obviously I'm saying this because I'm not about to do something myself, and I hope someone else might. But I may be able to offer some support. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 2 21:45:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153756 for opro ; Thu, 02 Aug 101 21:45:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996780409:20:01729:64; Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:26:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000708; 2 Aug 2001 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f72JVQh07704 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:31:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f72JVOp07701 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:31:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 15865 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 17:20:30 -0000 Received: from usercn53.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.155.138) by smtp-6.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2001 17:20:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:47:44 +0100 Subject: Merge two files. Message-ID: <4aa3c0921cdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R For the last few years I've only used OVPro, transferring my Publisher files to OvPro, back in the days when one had to reconstruct the templates manually... rather than how you lucky lot have it today with TransImp. I'm sure this had been asked before and'll no doubt'll get asked again. I have two Imp Publisher files with lots of graphics. I want to merge these two files into one. There are far to many graphics to do it manually, what I need to be able to do is, drop one doc on another open doc to merge them. As I've never managed to merge two or more complex docs in Publisher, I thought I'd convert them to OvPro. The conversion went okay. I then thought If I saved them out as DDL files, I could open one file and drop the other into it at the appropriate place... That doesn't work either. I put both DDL files into Zap to combine them... no chance, that didn't work either How can I merge two documents as I require? Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 3 01:39:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153764 for opro ; Fri, 03 Aug 101 01:39:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996791657:20:26145:65; Thu, 02 Aug 2001 22:34:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025765; 2 Aug 2001 22:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f72Mf0807969 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:41:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f72Mewp07966 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:40:58 +0100 Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.252.88.91]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010802223318.LXTW6330.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:33:18 +0100 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:32:05 +0100 From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merge two files. Message-ID: <8993f0a34a.jms@ntlworld.com> References: <4aa3c0921cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4aa3c0921cdfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <4aa3c0921cdfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > For the last few years I've only used OVPro, transferring my Publisher > files to OvPro, back in the days when one had to reconstruct the templates > manually... rather than how you lucky lot have it today with TransImp. > > I'm sure this had been asked before and'll no doubt'll get asked again. > > I have two Imp Publisher files with lots of graphics. > > I want to merge these two files into one. > > There are far to many graphics to do it manually, what I need to be able > to do is, drop one doc on another open doc to merge them. > > As I've never managed to merge two or more complex docs in Publisher, I > thought I'd convert them to OvPro. > The conversion went okay. > > I then thought If I saved them out as DDL files, I could open one file and > drop the other into it at the appropriate place... That doesn't work > either. > > I put both DDL files into Zap to combine them... no chance, that didn't > work either > > How can I merge two documents as I require? > > Cheers > Dave S > I usually just copy and paste Chapters between documents, but mine are not large documents. -- John Sandford Herts UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 3 02:28:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153777 for opro ; Fri, 03 Aug 101 02:28:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996799011:10:00669:39; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 00:36:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000585; 3 Aug 2001 0:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f730iAE08192 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 01:44:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f730i8p08189 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 01:44:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15SSx1-000Ldl-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 00:36:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:54:52 GMT Message-Id: <153762@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merge two files. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >... rather than how you lucky lot have it today with TransImp. and walked 55 miles through the snow to get to t'pit in time to start work at 4am no doubt. >I have two Imp Publisher files with lots of graphics. >I want to merge these two files into one. One way is to use the copy/paste chapter facility. Unless you've got squillions of chapters that should be fairly painless. >I then thought If I saved them out as DDL files, I could open one file and >drop the other into it at the appropriate place... That doesn't work >either. ISTR you once tried this before. With care and some luck merging DDL is a way, but too difficult for general use. 2.66 which will appear in a few minutes has a bug fix to copy/paste chapter. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 3 13:55:31 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153778 for opro ; Fri, 03 Aug 101 13:55:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996802306:20:09892:67; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 01:31:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107262; 3 Aug 2001 1:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f731d9R08328 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 02:39:09 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f731d7p08325 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 02:39:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15SToE-000PPx-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 01:31:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 02:00:32 GMT Message-Id: <153775@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.66 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.66 is now available for testing, from http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op266.zip I have to say it again as with 2.64 (and 2.65) "I say for 'testing' because this version has some new features which may well have problems. One of the main new things is support for variable sized spaces in text, as a result documents saved from 2.64 won't load into earlier versions. So don't use this version to edit your lifes work just yet." 2.66 fixes another problem introduced in 2.64, this is that Draw files which contain rotated text end up with the text rendered in Trinity even if the font the text is in is present. (the idea was to use Trinity if any fonts were missing). You'll need a copy of Ovation Pro 2.60 or later to upgrade from. If you've had the previous 2.65 patch, all you need to do is patch !OvnPro there's no change to the applets. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 3 13:55:46 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153783 for opro ; Fri, 03 Aug 101 13:55:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996822730:10:27317:64; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 07:12:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027291; 3 Aug 2001 7:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f737JXB08778 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:19:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from thick.mail.pipex.net (thick.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.95]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f737JTp08773 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:19:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 9766 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 07:10:49 -0000 Received: from userck75.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.154.117) by smtp-3.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2001 07:10:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 08:04:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Merge two files. Message-ID: <4aa41f8340dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <8993f0a34a.jms@ntlworld.com> References: <4aa3c0921cdfs@ukgateway.net> <8993f0a34a.jms@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <8993f0a34a.jms@ntlworld.com>, John Sandford wrote: > > > How can I merge two documents as I require? > > > > Cheers > > Dave S > > > I usually just copy and paste Chapters between documents, but mine are > not large documents. Thanks for the thought John, I'd forgotten about Copy/Paste chapters. Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 3 13:55:52 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153785 for opro ; Fri, 03 Aug 101 13:55:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996822736:10:27535:64; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 07:12:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128580; 3 Aug 2001 7:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f737JVA08776 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:19:31 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from thick.mail.pipex.net (thick.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.95]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f737JRp08769 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:19:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 9754 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 07:10:44 -0000 Received: from userck75.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.154.117) by smtp-3.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2001 07:10:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 08:03:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Merge two files. Message-ID: <4aa41f5f8edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <153762@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <153762@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <153762@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >... rather than how you lucky lot have it today with TransImp. > and walked 55 miles through the snow to get to t'pit in time to > start work at 4am no doubt. Funny... being southern born, and lived... never had any doing with those funny foreign northern habits of down t' pit. > >I have two Imp Publisher files with lots of graphics. > >I want to merge these two files into one. > One way is to use the copy/paste chapter facility. Unless you've got > squillions of chapters that should be fairly painless. [Snip] > 2.66 which will appear in a few minutes has a bug fix to copy/paste > chapter. > David Pilling Of course... I'd forgotten the recently introduced Copy/Paste chapter. I'll give that a go. Thanks Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 3 19:46:01 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153814 for opro ; Fri, 03 Aug 101 19:45:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996861084:20:29741:69; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:51:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029114; 3 Aug 2001 17:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f73HvZr09897 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:57:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (root@obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f73HvVp09894 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:57:32 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-2-1-dialup-240.spectraweb.ch [194.230.203.240]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id TAA10598 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:49:29 +0200 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:20:18 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Merge two files. To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <153762@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, As you are possibly aware I have the v2.60 manual as a single document on my hard disc, to be used for a new index. Using version 2.63. You mention in: On Thu 02 Aug, David Pilling wrote: .....snip some .... > 2.66 which will appear in a few minutes has a bug fix to copy/paste > chapter. Do you advise me to create anew the manual as a single document? (copy/paste chapters) Or can I continue working with my old document? Greetings, Jan-Maarten -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 4 14:00:22 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153827 for opro ; Sat, 04 Aug 101 14:00:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996893372:10:15388:78; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 02:49:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104867; 4 Aug 2001 2:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f742rlK10491 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 03:53:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f742rjp10488 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 03:53:45 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15Sr5T-0004av-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 02:22:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 03:19:28 GMT Message-Id: <153825@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merge two files. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> 2.66 which will appear in a few minutes has a bug fix to copy/paste >> chapter. >Do you advise me to create anew the manual as a single document? >(copy/paste chapters) Or can I continue working with my old document? Before anyone panics, the only problem with copy/paste chapter is that it might copy the wrong chapter or paste it in the wrong position. There's no problem with documents that have been created with this feature. And if you don't want to upgrade to 2.66 at the moment, there's a simple workaround - only copy/paste chapters in non-facing page views. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 6 22:11:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153849 for opro ; Mon, 06 Aug 101 22:11:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 996947960:10:28506:65; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 17:59:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028474; 4 Aug 2001 17:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f74I5h711564 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:05:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f74I5fp11561 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:05:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 14759 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 17:57:33 -0000 Received: from useral26.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.134.99) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2001 17:57:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 18:57:52 +0100 Subject: Re: Merge two files. Message-ID: <4aa4df249adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4aa41f5f8edfs@ukgateway.net> References: <153762@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aa41f5f8edfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Aug, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: Asking about merging two documents. To which the inestimable Mr P replied: > One way is to use the copy/paste chapter facility. Unless you've got > squillions of chapters that should be fairly painless. > David Pilling > > Of course... I'd forgotten the recently introduced Copy/Paste chapter. > > I'll give that a go. > > Thanks > > Dave S To report... That did the trick, thanks. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 6 22:14:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153864 for opro ; Mon, 06 Aug 101 22:14:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997045066:10:16604:80; Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:57:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016508; 5 Aug 2001 20:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f75L2Gv13289 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:02:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from sand3.global.net.uk (sand3.global.net.uk [195.147.246.249]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f75L2Ep13286 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:02:14 +0100 Received: from p7as04a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.228.123] helo=loopback) by sand3.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15TUuG-0006q8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 05 Aug 2001 21:53:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 21:53:26 +0100 Subject: As an aside Message-ID: <4aa5730d55dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro A friend asked me a question the other day... So just a kindly reminder to anyone else interested... I can't say about other spreadsheet as I don't use them, but Eureka I do. Remember you can create sheets and Select then save them out as Impression OLE, (last item on the Save dialogue), then drop this sheet into a frame in Ovation Pro. CTRL double click will OLE the sheet back to Eureka for changes, updates editing etc. Then F3 followed by [Return] will put the edited sheet back in to Ov Pro. I have used this method on occasion to create a table presentations in OvPro. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 6 22:14:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153870 for opro ; Mon, 06 Aug 101 22:14:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997122626:20:05068:65; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 18:30:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106669; 6 Aug 2001 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f76IZ1w14921 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:35:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f76IYwp14917 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:34:58 +0100 Received: from modem-445.alakazam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.9.189] helo=pavilion) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15Tp59-0000Dp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 19:26:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c11ea4$b9d81320$bd0987d9@pavilion> From: "Michael Hunter" To: "OvPro Mail List" Subject: Page # of # Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:16:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings I managed to get this facility to work - there was a message on 1 May which gave the correct version. It took some time to realise that you must have a CSV file in order for the Merge to print correctly. Clicking 'First' works OK with no CSV file but trying to Print generates an error 'Filing system ADFS: must be given a file name' . However I would like to save the file as a template for new files. The options are as a Document, as a DDL File and as a Style sheet; the results seem to be as follows: A. Document saves both the path to a (dummy) CSV file and the Merge Field Definitions - BUT does not force a new file name on a save. B. DDL Files save the Merge Field Definitions but NOT the CSV file name. C. Style Sheets save the CSV file path but not the Merge Field Definitions. Am I missing something here? Michael Hunter michael@hunter8home.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 7 14:24:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153905 for opro ; Tue, 07 Aug 101 14:24:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997149363:10:01330:64; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:56:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113719; 7 Aug 2001 1:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7722C015504 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 03:02:12 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f77229p15501 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 03:02:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15Tw3s-000Pht-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:53:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 02:52:49 GMT Message-Id: <153902@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page # of # X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A. Document saves both the path to a (dummy) CSV file and the Merge Field >Definitions - BUT does not force a new file name on a save. >B. DDL Files save the Merge Field Definitions but NOT the CSV file name. >C. Style Sheets save the CSV file path but not the Merge Field Definitions. So my sins have been found out again. I guess you could have the fields in text in the master pages. Stylesheets only save the master pages of a document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 7 16:12:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153919 for opro ; Tue, 07 Aug 101 16:12:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997192748:10:13957:77; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:59:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1110637; 7 Aug 2001 11:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f77BODT16303 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:24:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from quasar.skima.is (root@quasar.skima.is [212.30.200.205]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f77BO9p16300 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:24:09 +0100 Received: from [213.167.146.89] by quasar.skima.is for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:15:18 Z From: Johannes Thordarson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Script Language Manuals Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 11:15:18 +0100 Organization: Thorson International ehf. Message-Id: References: <152985@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <152985@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f77BOAp16301 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I don't no if this is an option? http://www.paypal.com/ Johannes Thordarson On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:12:29 GMT, you wrote: > >As discussed some time ago, I've had a batch of the Ovation Pro Script >Language Reference guide printed. > >These are primarily of interest to programmers. The material is a >slightly updated version of what is on the CD. However the attraction >is not the contents but having them in an easy to use package. > >There was some debate over the format, it turned out to be A5 wirebound >(125 pages). > >The cost is ukp 5 fully inclusive (wherever you are in the world). > > > >David Pilling > >-- >email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 8 01:25:11 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA153924 for opro ; Wed, 08 Aug 101 01:25:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997208858:20:14429:637; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:27:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae2008610; 7 Aug 2001 17:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f77HCnS17081 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:12:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f77HClp17078 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:12:47 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15UAGy-000I9Q-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:04:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:02:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Script Language Manuals Message-ID: <4aa6659ba4Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <152985@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 07 Aug, Johannes Thordarson wrote: > I don't no if this is an option? > http://www.paypal.com/ > Johannes Thordarson It should (technically) be. I registered with paypal months back and discovered that the service - contrary to what paypal thought - didn't work for non-USA customers. However they soon withdrew the facility and re-released it comparitively recently, and it certainly works for my (UK) credit card. I've not registered my UK bank account yet because I don't expect to be receiving payments, and if I were I think I'd set up a secondary account for that link, just in case it went berserk. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 11 13:53:26 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154032 for opro ; Sat, 11 Aug 101 13:53:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997515107:21:14312:64; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 07:31:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018687; 11 Aug 2001 7:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7B7cAv23788 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 08:38:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7B7c7p23785 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 08:38:07 +0100 Received: from [62.188.131.117] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15VT6A-0003zL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 08:22:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:18:18 +0100 Subject: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aa7d711e2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The keep together, keep para, keep lines, etc features of Ovation Pro have been waiting in the wings for some time now. Is there anything in the planned work to activate these features? It works (except for crashes) in Impression but that's somewhat dated... -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 14 22:07:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154050 for opro ; Tue, 14 Aug 101 22:07:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997539096:20:03044:64; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:11:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002983; 11 Aug 2001 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7BEKGh24272 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:20:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7BEKDp24267 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:20:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15VZTM-000OsR-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:10:40 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:59:55 GMT Message-Id: <154040@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Anyone with a machine of this spec... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone got Kinetic Risc PC Castle SCSI card Big (e.g. 30GB) SCSI drive SparkFS who wouldn't mind running a test David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 14 22:07:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154051 for opro ; Tue, 14 Aug 101 22:07:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997539095:10:23767:64; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:11:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023688; 11 Aug 2001 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7BEKFg24271 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:20:15 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7BEKBp24263 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:20:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15VZTK-000OsR-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:10:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:57:59 GMT Message-Id: <154038@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Keep together, etc X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The keep together, keep para, keep lines, etc >features of Ovation Pro have been waiting in the wings for some time now. >Is there anything in the planned work to activate these features? Not really, I know that implementing them would be popular. Although on the subject of the future I feel a bit like the man in THHGTG who once he started telling the truth couldn't stop. So I won't start. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 14 22:08:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154052 for opro ; Tue, 14 Aug 101 22:07:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997571471:20:25800:64; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:11:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120603; 11 Aug 2001 23:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7BNEas24925 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:14:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7BNEYp24922 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:14:34 +0100 Received: from [62.188.151.118] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15VhiI-0006zf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:58:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:51:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aa894de32steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154038@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154038@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <154038@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >The keep together, keep para, keep lines, etc features of Ovation Pro > >have been waiting in the wings for some time now. Is there anything in > >the planned work to activate these features? > Not really, I know that implementing them would be popular. Extremely useful when you export from a database of some kind and can add "keep together" to the whole record. 90% of the layout of a beer guide done in seconds... Or a nicely formatted output from Organizer. Speaking of which, how does one produce a DDL file with double sided master pages? > Although on the subject of the future I feel a bit like the man in THHGTG > who once he started telling the truth couldn't stop. > So I won't start. Hmm, OvP v3.xx or bad news? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 14 22:09:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154079 for opro ; Tue, 14 Aug 101 22:09:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997732634:21:15707:150; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:57:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101785; 13 Aug 2001 19:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7DJoIW27583 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:50:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7DJoFp27580 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:50:15 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-2-dialup-115.spectraweb.ch [194.230.117.115]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7DJe2a24315 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:40:02 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:37:51 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: A printer problem To: OVATIONP-L Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all, Maybe slightly off topic, but I face a new problem wanting to use pamphlet printing with slightly oversized paper on a Canon BJC7100. Said printer cannot print on the approx. last 20mm of the paper fed. I therefore decided to use oversized A4 paper measuring 214 by 345mm's. According to the printer manual, 345mm is possible. But when printing, the printout is cut at "A4" size, meaning that anything beyond 297mm is not printed. Even though the printer initially accepts the paper size (re-runs up and down for precise positioning of the 345mm high paper). I should mention that printing is done through CC Turbo drivers. Is this possibly a reason for the malfunctioning? Any help would be highly appreciated. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 14 22:09:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154081 for opro ; Tue, 14 Aug 101 22:09:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997732729:20:23930:104; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:58:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002429; 13 Aug 2001 19:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7DJoE927579 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:50:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7DJoBp27576 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:50:11 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-2-dialup-115.spectraweb.ch [194.230.117.115]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7DJe3a24319 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:40:03 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:56:25 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Keep together, etc To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4aa894de32steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 12 Aug, Steven Pampling wrote: skip some > Or a nicely formatted output from Organizer. How about in colour? Available at present (v.1.55f). Select Menu>Export(^F3)>Format and make your choice. Once in OvationPro I suggest you change the page layout to 2 columns. And add a column guide, at 60% or 70% tint. Of course a colour printer is then useful. The multiple colour choices available make visually sorting of the entries in a printed document very easy. Skip the rest. But can someone tell me what "THHGTG" stands for, please? Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 14 22:09:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154082 for opro ; Tue, 14 Aug 101 22:09:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997739556:10:23707:64; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:52:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118293; 13 Aug 2001 21:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7DM1em27934 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:01:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7DM1cp27931 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:01:38 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15WPcV-000DRD-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:51:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:01:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aa9928180Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4aa894de32steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 13 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > "THHGTG" stands for, please? The Hitch-Hikers Guide to The Galaxy (Sci-Fi by the late Douglas Adams) -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 14 22:09:38 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154083 for opro ; Tue, 14 Aug 101 22:09:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997739287:20:15756:65; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:48:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111011; 13 Aug 2001 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7DLv9627893 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:57:09 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from sand3.global.net.uk (sand3.global.net.uk [195.147.246.249]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7DLv7p27890 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:57:07 +0100 Received: from pe3s08a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.232.228] helo=margetts.globalnet.co.uk) by sand3.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15WPY5-0006H9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:47:01 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:46:28 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Margetts Subject: Re: Keep together, etc To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 13 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > Skip the rest. But can someone tell me what "THHGTG" stands for, please? Hi JohnvV David has quoted from the novel, radio and television series _T_he _H_itch-_H_iker's _G_uide _T_o the _G_alaxy by the late Douglas Adams. Definitely required reading/listening/viewing. HTH Pete -- Pete & Mitzi Margetts An oasis of Kiwi Kulture in the English Desert! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 14 22:09:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154085 for opro ; Tue, 14 Aug 101 22:09:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997740574:20:22808:64; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:09:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126358; 13 Aug 2001 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7DMHF727985 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:17:15 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7DMHCp27982 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:17:12 +0100 Received: from modem-42.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.42] helo=orchard-way) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15WPrZ-0004Bn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:07:09 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:00:29 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A printer problem Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Dear all, > > Maybe slightly off topic, but I face a new problem wanting to use > pamphlet printing with slightly oversized paper on a Canon BJC7100. > > Said printer cannot print on the approx. last 20mm of the paper fed. I > therefore decided to use oversized A4 paper measuring 214 by 345mm's. > > According to the printer manual, 345mm is possible. > > But when printing, the printout is cut at "A4" size, meaning that > anything beyond 297mm is not printed. Even though the printer initially > accepts the paper size (re-runs up and down for precise positioning of > the 345mm high paper). > > > I should mention that printing is done through CC Turbo drivers. Is this > possibly a reason for the malfunctioning? > > Any help would be highly appreciated. > > Greetings, > > JohnvV > Two things spring to mind. First, part of the RiscOS printing system uses the paper NAME to make some size choices. Specifically, if the paper name starts A4 then A4 is assumed. So calling your newly defined oversized paper "A4 Oversize" may give problems, while "Oversize A4" will not. Secondly part of the printer system has a hard-coded limit somewhere between A4 and A3 length. For this reason, I believe, Spacetech supplied a separate A3 printing application for the BJ4650. I think it requires a modified PDumper, but I could very well be wrong. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 14 22:09:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154086 for opro ; Tue, 14 Aug 101 22:09:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997786443:10:03427:162; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:54:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121651; 14 Aug 2001 10:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7EAFP128862 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:15:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from sand6.global.net.uk.noc.gxn.net (sand6.global.net.uk [195.147.246.105]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7EAFHp28859 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:15:22 +0100 Received: from p93s02a02.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.146.148] helo=editstation) by sand6.global.net.uk.noc.gxn.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 15Wb3s-0002PE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:04:37 +0100 From: "Malcolm Knight" To: Subject: RE: A printer problem Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:04:51 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Maybe slightly off topic, but I face a new problem wanting to use > pamphlet printing with slightly oversized paper on a Canon BJC7100. > > Said printer cannot print on the approx. last 20mm of the paper fed. I > therefore decided to use oversized A4 paper measuring 214 by 345mm's. I once came across an A3 printer which wouldn't print bigger than A4. I eventually discovered that it set itself according to the paper size last used on a print self-test. Tested on A3 and all was well. All a long time ago and it may have been an Epson rather than Canon, but maybe worth a try. Malcolm Knight -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 14 22:09:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154087 for opro ; Tue, 14 Aug 101 22:09:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997741868:20:04441:65; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:31:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004361; 13 Aug 2001 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7DMe1p28120 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:40:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7DMdxp28117 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:39:59 +0100 Received: from [62.188.134.45] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15WQ7R-0006LY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:23:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: OVATIONP-L Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:06:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aa99871d8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4aa894de32steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Sun 12 Aug, Steven Pampling wrote: > skip some > > Or a nicely formatted output from Organizer. > How about in colour? Colour versions of the simple exports exist already, but... > Available at present (v.1.55f). Select Menu>Export(^F3)>Format and make > your choice. I know. :-) The Ovation Pro version export scripts in Organizer have an authors name in them. (cough) > Once in OvationPro I suggest you change the page layout to 2 columns. {columns 2} in the frame information added to the export script - something I'm already working on. The scripts for v1.55f and onward are circa Christmas/New Year vintage IIRC with minor twiddles around Easter. Something came up on the Organizer list the other week that I noticed when I returned from holiday, hence my renewed interest in producing decently formatted output from Organizer export. The other part being a use for keep together when importing to OvP from another source (like a database) Current project stuff includes week to view diary pages onto a fold out 3 organiser page sheet (on A4 with crop marks) and possibly a simple year planner - again 3 page fold out. > And add a column guide, at 60% or 70% tint. {columnguides 1 {thickness 2834} {colourvalue COL_01 0x10000 0} for full on colour at the default guideline thickness. 0x999A or 0xb333 would probably do the 60 and 70% tints. Interestingly saving a page as DDL making the changes described above and dropping onto Ovation produces the multi-column format but the column guideline is not being displayed... Curious. > Skip the rest. But can someone tell me what "THHGTG" stands for, please? The Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy - I think. David may have missed a "T" -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 15 15:07:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154117 for opro ; Wed, 15 Aug 101 15:07:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997840342:20:01740:66; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:52:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111135; 15 Aug 2001 1:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7F20FO30825 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:00:15 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7F20Cp30822 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:00:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15Wpof-000NRZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:49:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:47:58 GMT Message-Id: <154113@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Keep together, etc X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Interestingly saving a page as DDL making the changes described above and >dropping onto Ovation produces the multi-column format but the column >guideline is not being displayed... Curious That would appear to be a bug. I'll fix it. >Speaking of which, how does one produce a DDL file with double sided master >pages? I guess you save such a document and examine the DDL. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 15 15:09:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154125 for opro ; Wed, 15 Aug 101 15:09:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997860472:10:29304:64; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:27:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121662; 15 Aug 2001 7:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7F7aDq31339 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:36:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7F7aAp31336 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:36:10 +0100 Received: from [62.188.154.213] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15WuxX-0007WM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:19:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:25:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aaa4f77e7steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154113@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154113@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <154113@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Interestingly saving a page as DDL making the changes described above > >and dropping onto Ovation produces the multi-column format but the > >column guideline is not being displayed... Curious > That would appear to be a bug. I'll fix it. Yes. I'd done further testing (create document, save as ddl and check, alter guideline setting save ddl and check) the setting changes in the ddl but it has no effect on the document produced. 2.64 coming along in due course then? > >Speaking of which, how does one produce a DDL file with double sided > >master pages? > I guess you save such a document and examine the DDL. That far I've got, and it reveals two master frame definitions and a pair of CHAIN-xxx={textchain blocks. The first (I think) defines the text frame master frame definitions. CHAIN_111={textchain TEXT_110 TEXT_160 } The second tagged on the end of the script appears to define the sequence of the use of the individual child frames: CHAIN_117={textchain TEXT_16b TEXT_124 TEXT_177 TEXT_130 TEXT_182 TEXT_13c TEXT_18d TEXT_148 TEXT_198 TEXT_154 } My problem is that the number of pages will vary with the length of the exported text so I can't actually specify the precise number of child text frames in this block and unless I've got things wrong this is part of the text flow control. Is this documented anywhere? -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 15 15:10:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154131 for opro ; Wed, 15 Aug 101 15:10:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997880302:11:04114:149; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:58:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015936; 15 Aug 2001 12:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7FD4r031895 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:04:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7FD4op31892 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:04:50 +0100 Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.211] ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15X0Bm-0005aR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:54:26 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15X0Bm-000456-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:54:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:54:58 +0100 Subject: The alternative ovpro resources site Message-ID: <4aaa6d9b46C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Many apologies to those who have found my alternative resources site to be more often than not unavailable over the past month or so. Those who have persevered will have found that it has been up again from last weekend. I had to go south unexpectedly because my mother was taken into hospital and subsequently died. After the funeral I had to come back to Edinburgh in order to go off on vacation a couple of days later, so I have been away from the department for five weeks. The problem has been compounded because the server (running on a Risc PC) has become prone to crashing during this past couple of months, where previously it had performed almost faultlessly. Anyway - we are back in business now. http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ If anyone has anything they would like added to the server, feel free to send it to me. I was also going to set up a page of links to other opro resources, since there are some applets etc out there on other sites, so if anyone has some opro related links they would like included let me know. To overcome some of the availability problems, the site is now mirrored at http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ I hope the mirror site works ok - let me know of any problems with it - I know the navigation is a bit iffy between sections of the site, but it should be ok within the opro part. I hacked it together lunchtime today, so there may well be things I have missed in the transfer. Having looked through the site to check it out this morning, it is obvious that some parts of it are becoming rather dated, so I hope to have a serious update of all the pages over the next few weeks. I have even just noticed that the items of my software included in the ovpro section are years out of date compared with the versions in the software section of my site 8o( Best regards to all Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ ovpro mirror: http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 15 20:38:51 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154146 for opro ; Wed, 15 Aug 101 20:38:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997889591:20:04958:65; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:33:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116294; 15 Aug 2001 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7FFUBx32161 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:30:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7FFU9p32158 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:30:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15X2SN-000Aqb-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:19:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:50:14 GMT Message-Id: <154140@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Keep together, etc X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >2.64 coming along in due course then? Um 2.66 is currently available for testing from http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op266.zip But see my warnings when I first posted this news here. >of CHAIN-xxx={textchain blocks. The first (I think) defines the text frame >master frame definitions. Correct. >The second tagged on the end of the script appears to define the sequence >of the use of the individual child frames: If they're local frames then this is of course necessary. However I suspect that autolink frames, well, autolink and the textchain command is just a nicety, so you'll probably get away without it. >Is this documented anywhere? Real programmers eh? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 15 22:30:46 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154163 for opro ; Wed, 15 Aug 101 22:30:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997905282:11:25777:67; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:54:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006312; 15 Aug 2001 19:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7FK3gk32463 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:03:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7FK3ep32460 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:03:40 +0100 Received: from [62.188.192.168] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15X6cl-00038P-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:46:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:26:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aaa91718csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154140@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154140@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <154140@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >2.64 coming along in due course then? > Um 2.66 is currently available for testing from > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op266.zip > But see my warnings when I first posted this news here. I think I've been comatose somewhere - I'm still on 2.62... > >of CHAIN-xxx={textchain blocks. The first (I think) defines the text > >frame master frame definitions. > Correct. > >The second tagged on the end of the script appears to define the > >sequence of the use of the individual child frames: > If they're local frames then this is of course necessary. However I > suspect that autolink frames, well, autolink and the textchain command > is just a nicety, so you'll probably get away without it. Hmm. That would imply that I could simply define the two master text frames (left page and right page) set up the first CHAIN (for the autolink frames?) and then launch into the STORY_xx={ without further ado? I will try it (on 2.63 and 2.66 of course[1]) > >Is this documented anywhere? > Real programmers eh? Hey, I'm in IT support. If I have to read a manual it's either complicated or the software is a pile of dingo do. In this case I think we can say it's in the complicated category, although the ddl script looks so simple I thought I could wing it (and OK so far :-) ...phew no real info on DDL so I didn't overlook it. [1] 2.64 and 2.65 being notable for their absence. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 16 13:19:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154176 for opro ; Thu, 16 Aug 101 13:19:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997924194:20:10486:64; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:09:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010387; 16 Aug 2001 1:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7G1JOB00386 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:19:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7G1JMp00383 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:19:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15XBeV-0002aH-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:08:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:50:13 GMT Message-Id: <154166@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Keep together, etc X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hmm. That would imply that I could simply define the two master text frames >(left page and right page) set up the first CHAIN (for the autolink >frames?) and then launch into the STORY_xx={ without further ado? I think you'd define the 2 master pages, and chain them together. You've got to do that to define how the autolink will link. And doing so poses no problems as regards predicting the future, the linking is the same for all docs. What you don't need to do is link document frames. >Hey, I'm in IT support. >If I have to read a manual I had been going to write about MS not documenting how to use their software. But maybe thats the answer, its expected to be obvious. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 16 13:19:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154177 for opro ; Thu, 16 Aug 101 13:19:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997924325:20:16934:64; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:12:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016856; 16 Aug 2001 1:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7G1LoW00429 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:21:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7FIWHp32390 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:32:17 +0100 Received: from [62.188.146.193] (helo=62.188.146.193) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15X5CI-0000N6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:15:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. D.M. Wells) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:12:24 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.31 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: A printer problem Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I had the same problem as JohnvV with the BJC 7100 not printing correctly on oversize A4. I use the Spacetech Photoreal driver rather than CCTurbo, and spent hours trying, and failing, to print from OPro full A4 plus crop and registration marks on an oversize sheet (cut down from A3). I discussed this with Spacetech (still the original firm at the time), and they eventually agreed their driver did not implement this Canon feature. As far as I know, nothing was done about this. Some small consolation perhaps if, like me, you are using a RISCPC is that the feature *does* work with the Windows driver! If anyone has a more positive result I too will be glad to know about it. Denys Wells. -- [email from dwells@argonet.co.uk (Denys Wells)] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 16 13:19:53 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154178 for opro ; Thu, 16 Aug 101 13:19:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997926144:21:13371:63; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:42:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016307; 16 Aug 2001 1:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7G1qRk00624 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:52:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7G1qPp00621 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:52:25 +0100 Received: from [62.188.192.162] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15XC4D-0002Mv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:35:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:28:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aaab28e35steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4aaa91718csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <154140@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aaa91718csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4aaa91718csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <154140@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >2.64 coming along in due course then? > > Um 2.66 is currently available for testing from > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op266.zip > > But see my warnings when I first posted this news here. > I think I've been comatose somewhere - I'm still on 2.62... But now I'm using 2.66 and it seems less prone to breaking when I do stupid things with DDL. > Hmm. That would imply that I could simply define the two master text > frames (left page and right page) set up the first CHAIN (for the > autolink frames?) and then launch into the STORY_xx={ without further > ado? > I will try it (on 2.63 and 2.66 of course[1]) The actual sequence is CHAP PAGE TEXT STORY TEXT STORY PAGE TEXT STORY TEXT STORY CHAIN PAGE TEXT STORY Insert text and style codes {end of text} TEXT STORY CHAIN > > >Is this documented anywhere? Now why did I want documentation? All I need now is implementation of the keep together keep para features, oh and that little guideline bug fix... :-) -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 16 13:21:58 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154185 for opro ; Thu, 16 Aug 101 13:21:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997947040:10:00539:63; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:30:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000432; 16 Aug 2001 7:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7G7d8b01028 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:39:08 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7G7d6p01025 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:39:06 +0100 Received: from [62.188.192.177] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15XHTa-00071P-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:21:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:14:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aaad24c18steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154166@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154166@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <154166@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Hey, I'm in IT support. > >If I have to read a manual > I had been going to write about MS not documenting how to use their > software. But maybe thats the answer, its expected to be obvious. Hmmm. MS stuff is frequently NOT obvious and in many cases reading the manual makes things worse. Ask any IT lecturer and the answer is usually on the lines of "most of my job consists of putting the manual in a form people can understand" I've got the Organizer export script working *without* a manual, either I'm brilliant or the dll script is fairly simple to understand. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 16 14:49:27 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154193 for opro ; Thu, 16 Aug 101 14:49:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997968905:10:17604:69; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:35:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1010593; 16 Aug 2001 13:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7GDaOh01487 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:36:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7GDaMp01484 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:36:22 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15XN9Y-000IsH-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:25:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:18:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aaaee200bJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154140@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154140@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 15 Aug, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > If they're local frames then this is of course necessary. However I > suspect that autolink frames... I'm curious why you use the verb "suspect". There's a similar "it probably works this sort of way" feeling to quite a lot of your posts. Everyone "knows" that you wrote OP. But I'm not sure whether you coded it all or if other people did sections under (presumably) your control? And I'd think you either know how it works or you don't... though I accept that if the latter applies to some part of the code your guess would be far better than anyone else's... Signed, Puzzled, Edinburgh ;-) -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 16 19:33:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154205 for opro ; Thu, 16 Aug 101 19:33:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997983924:20:03260:72; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:45:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2119815; 16 Aug 2001 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7GHXcE01820 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:33:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7GHXap01817 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:33:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15XQr7-000HIL-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:22:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:54:22 GMT Message-Id: <154194@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Keep together, etc X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm curious why you use the verb "suspect". There's a similar "it >probably works this sort of way" feeling to quite a lot of your posts. Betrays a lack of confidence doesn't it, which some people don't like. Put it this way there are about 500 script language functions in Ovation Pro despite the fact that I coded every one of them I can't recall even the names of them, never mind the parameters and the precise way they all work. If it comes to having to look things up in documentation or try them, anyone can do that as well as me. And you can ask questions of the program which were never considered when it was designed. Here I can only say how I expect it to work, or how I hope it works. >Everyone "knows" that you wrote OP. But I'm not sure whether you coded >it all or if other people did sections under (presumably) your control? No I wrote it all. In fact I wrote more of it than in a lot of programs, because there aren't many library type bits of code, about the only bit I didn't write is the Draw rendering code, and even thats now much modified compared to the original Acorn library code. >And I'd think you either know how it works or you don't... Or have forgotten. It would have been better if I'd kept working on OPro full time, but of course I've had to go off and do other things and that means forgetting one lot of stuff and learning another. Talking of which between October and June I was busy doing a port of the Macromedia flash player to RISC OS for Pace. That project was cancelled (for reasons unconnected with flash) at the end of June just as it was nearning completion. So there exists a compliant Flash player for RISC OS but of course you're not going to be allowed to use it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 16 22:07:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154208 for opro ; Thu, 16 Aug 101 22:07:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997990155:10:08007:63; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:29:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007808; 16 Aug 2001 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7GJcSY02053 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:38:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7GJcQp02050 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:38:26 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15XSnw-0006JG-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:27:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:24:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aab151745Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154194@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154194@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 16 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >I'm curious why you use the verb "suspect". There's a similar "it > >probably works this sort of way" feeling to quite a lot of your posts. > Betrays a lack of confidence doesn't it, which some people don't like. > Put it this way there are about 500 script language functions in > Ovation Pro despite the fact that I coded every one of them I can't > recall even the names of them, never mind the parameters and the > precise way they all work. Ah, yes, I know that feeling. And I know the "well it does this because of whatever" way of answering while thinking "at least if I was awake that day that's probably how I wrote it...". I've had colleagues ask me how the hell I knew how code worked that I'd written years ago, and been able to say: because that's how I'd do it now. Then of course there's the counter-case when you explain to someone (eg a junior) exactly how something should be done and open up a bit of code at random to show them... and for some good technical reason that you can't remember it does exactly the opposite. Bye bye street cred, instantly! > >Everyone "knows" that you wrote OP. But I'm not sure whether you coded > >it all or if other people did sections under (presumably) your control? > No I wrote it all. In fact I wrote more of it than in a lot of > programs, because there aren't many library type bits of code, about > the only bit I didn't write is the Draw rendering code, and even thats > now much modified compared to the original Acorn library code. > >And I'd think you either know how it works or you don't... > Or have forgotten. Yup. And while you could look at code to see what it actually does that's not necessarily going to answer a question without looking at half the rest of the program too. > It would have been better if I'd kept working on OPro full time, but of > course I've had to go off and do other things and that means forgetting > one lot of stuff and learning another. Hmmm, but think of how stale you'd get otherwise; learning new things keeps the brain ticking over. > Talking of which between October and June I was busy doing a port of > the Macromedia flash player to RISC OS for Pace. That project was > cancelled (for reasons unconnected with flash) at the end of June just > as it was nearing completion. So there exists a compliant Flash player > for RISC OS but of course you're not going to be allowed to use it. I can see how this statement might have just slipped out... I *hate* the way big companies cancel projects that are - technically - about done. What a waste of money... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 17 01:27:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154214 for opro ; Fri, 17 Aug 101 01:27:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 997996351:21:25376:67; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020081; 16 Aug 2001 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7GLMI202252 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:22:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7GLMGp02249 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:22:16 +0100 Received: from [62.188.154.83] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15XUK8-0006Bf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:05:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:28:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aab1b0147steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154194@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154194@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <154194@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > If it comes to having to look things up in documentation or try them, > anyone can do that as well as me. Docu-what? :-) -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 17 14:54:48 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154244 for opro ; Fri, 17 Aug 101 14:54:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998050292:20:22021:64; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:11:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019418; 17 Aug 2001 12:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7HCFew03146 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:15:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7GLLrp02240 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:21:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15XUQ3-000Bcg-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:11:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:11:42 GMT Message-Id: <154210@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Keep together, etc X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >> Talking of which between October and June I was busy doing a port of >> the Macromedia flash player to RISC OS for Pace. That project was >> cancelled (for reasons unconnected with flash) at the end of June just >> as it was nearing completion. So there exists a compliant Flash player >> for RISC OS but of course you're not going to be allowed to use it. >I can see how this statement might have just slipped out... I *hate* the >way big companies cancel projects that are - technically - about done. >What a waste of money... Time yes, money no 8-( David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 17 21:38:31 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154262 for opro ; Fri, 17 Aug 101 21:38:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998070708:20:01742:69; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:51:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115694; 17 Aug 2001 17:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7HI1mf03578 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:01:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.225]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7HEWap03391 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:32:36 +0100 Received: from StonarWeb.stonar.wilts.sch.uk (unknown [212.104.135.17]) by pegasus.mail.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D6724FA24 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:23:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb.stonar.wilts.sch.uk with SMTP (Navaho School Server v3.0.7 [Linux/i686]); Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:21:36 BST; id: 1387034636 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:19:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Opro with Sleuth 3 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <154194@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone else experienced this? Using Sleuth 3 with an Opro document open, if the Sleuthtext is dropped directly into a new Opro document, everything works perfectly every time. If now (leaving the Opro document open) a second input is now OCR'd and the resulting Sleuthtext dropped into Opro at the end of the existing part, most times, (9/10) but not always (1/10) Opro comes to grief. -- Martin Devon Stonar -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 17 21:38:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154264 for opro ; Fri, 17 Aug 101 21:38:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998070709:20:01824:66; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:51:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115695; 17 Aug 2001 17:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7HI1n803579 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:01:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7HI1kp03575 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:01:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15Xnlh-000D8Q-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:50:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:16:21 GMT Message-Id: <154254@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Opro with Sleuth 3 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If now (leaving the Opro document open) a second input is now OCR'd and >the resulting Sleuthtext dropped into Opro at the end of the existing >part, most times, (9/10) but not always (1/10) Opro comes to grief. Interesting, are we talking about text export from Sleuth or RTF? And is it really OPro that crashes, icon vanishes off the icon bar... BTW you're posting from an adddress that is not subscribed to the list. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 18 16:50:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154292 for opro ; Sat, 18 Aug 101 16:50:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998148048:10:28373:62; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:20:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108389; 18 Aug 2001 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7IFRcP04865 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 16:27:38 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7IFRap04862 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 16:27:36 +0100 Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15Y7pu-00081X-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 16:16:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:56:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Opro with Sleuth 3 Message-ID: <4aac044022jack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <154194@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Martin Devon wrote: > Has anyone else experienced this? > Using Sleuth 3 with an Opro document open, if the Sleuthtext is > dropped directly into a new Opro document, everything works perfectly > every time. > If now (leaving the Opro document open) a second input is now OCR'd > and the resulting Sleuthtext dropped into Opro at the end of the > existing part, most times, (9/10) but not always (1/10) Opro comes to > grief. No, that's definitely not my experience - drag and drop with Ctrl held down worked every time for me. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 mailto:jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 20 21:59:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154301 for opro ; Mon, 20 Aug 101 21:59:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998240991:10:10563:62; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:09:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112038; 19 Aug 2001 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7JHIgo06324 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:18:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7JHIep06321 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:18:40 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15YW2j-000Hly-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:07:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:26:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Message-ID: <4aac905650Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154210@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154210@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 16 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >> Talking of which between October and June I was busy doing a port of > >> the Macromedia flash player to RISC OS for Pace. That project was > >> cancelled (for reasons unconnected with flash) at the end of June > >> just as it was nearing completion. So there exists a compliant > >> Flash player for RISC OS but of course you're not going to be > >> allowed to use it. > >I can see how this statement might have just slipped out... I *hate* > >the way big companies cancel projects that are - technically - about > >done. What a waste of money... > Time yes, money no 8-( I meant from the company's point of view. Presumably you got (at least some of) the money; I didn't mean that that was a bad idea. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 20 22:00:20 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154308 for opro ; Mon, 20 Aug 101 22:00:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998230128:20:01959:62; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:08:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001888; 19 Aug 2001 14:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7JEIG806057 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:18:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7JEIDp06054 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:18:13 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust47.tnt4.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.116.102.47] with SMTP for id QAA18446 (8.8.8/1.3); Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:06:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003401c128b8$43e3a350$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <154194@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Keep together, etc Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:51:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 16 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > It would have been better if I'd kept working on OPro full time, but of course > I've had to go off and do other things and that means forgetting one lot > of stuff and learning another. > > Talking of which between October and June I was busy doing a port of the > Macromedia flash player to RISC OS for Pace. That project was cancelled (for > reasons unconnected with flash) at the end of June just as it was nearning > completion. So there exists a compliant Flash player for RISC OS but of course > you're not going to be allowed to use it. > As far as I know, there has never appeared a more sad mail on this list than this one. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 22 13:49:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154384 for opro ; Wed, 22 Aug 101 13:49:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998482605:10:09116:62; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:16:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118468; 22 Aug 2001 12:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7MCLip09938 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:21:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7MCLfp09935 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:21:41 +0100 Received: from modem-146.clown-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.249.146] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15ZWpN-0002pG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:09:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robin A. Hampshire" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:57:46 +0100 Subject: POBar font and Bar Code Applet Message-ID: <4aae0338efrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, I am using the Bar Code applet in OPro more and more these days, and am so impressed with the improvements to delivery times that I decided to try and use the system in other programs. Reverse engineering the checksum algorithm was relatively straightforward from the applet files, and I have now developed a Pipedream custom function which, when used with PD databases to pull specific addresses into correspondence templates, will also display the correct barcode ready for the window envelope. The question is, would I be treading on anyone's copyright toes if I were to make this custom function (along with the POBar font - no point otherwise) available to others? If not, is there anyone out there who would like a copy of such a thing? -- Robin Hampshire rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 22 21:26:43 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154398 for opro ; Wed, 22 Aug 101 21:26:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998498058:20:13616:63; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:34:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013270; 22 Aug 2001 16:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7MGjAJ10428 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:45:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7MGj7p10425 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:45:07 +0100 Received: from modem-73.bicolor-pseudochromis.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.231.73] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15ZawH-0004Dg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:33:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robin A. Hampshire" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:20:04 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet Message-ID: <4aae10400brah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154392@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154392@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <154392@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > No, you have my blessing, Thank you. > but please credit Kevin Simpson who designed the later (much > better) version of the font (outlines file 1244 bytes Dec 1997). Will do. -- Robin Hampshire rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 22 21:26:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154397 for opro ; Wed, 22 Aug 101 21:26:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998488495:10:29377:70; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:54:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029002; 22 Aug 2001 13:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7ME4xZ10174 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:04:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7ME4vp10171 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:04:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ZYRH-000GQH-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:52:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:42:10 GMT Message-Id: <154392@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The question is, would I be treading on anyone's copyright toes if I >were to make this custom function (along with the POBar font - no >point otherwise) available to others? No, you have my blessing, but please credit Kevin Simpson who designed the later (much better) version of the font (outlines file 1244 bytes Dec 1997). KS (Western Commercial Arts?) ISTR moved on to the Mac about 3 years ago. Bright idea, why not stick a !Info file inside the Font folder, saying where it came from... it could even have the version number in. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 22 21:26:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154404 for opro ; Wed, 22 Aug 101 21:26:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998504343:10:15266:62; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:19:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1015190; 22 Aug 2001 18:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7MIUQl10619 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:30:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7MIULp10612 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:30:21 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-1-dialup-206.spectraweb.ch [194.230.153.206]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7MIIGT19895 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:18:16 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:17:06 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <154392@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 22 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > >The question is, would I be treading on anyone's copyright toes if I > >were to make this custom function (along with the POBar font - no > >point otherwise) available to others? > > No, you have my blessing, but please credit Kevin Simpson who designed > the later (much better) version of the font (outlines file 1244 bytes Dec 1997). > > KS (Western Commercial Arts?) ISTR moved on to the Mac about 3 years ago. > > Bright idea, why not stick a !Info file inside the Font folder, saying > where it came from... it could even have the version number in. IIRC David, I believe you came up with/created the OvPro applet. So I believe this info should also be mentioned. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 22 21:27:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154410 for opro ; Wed, 22 Aug 101 21:27:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998504357:20:20413:70; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:19:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118434; 22 Aug 2001 18:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7MIURH10620 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:30:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7MIUMp10616 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:30:22 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-1-dialup-206.spectraweb.ch [194.230.153.206]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7MIIHT19899 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:18:17 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:10:33 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4aae0338efrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 22 Aug, Robin A. Hampshire wrote: > David, > > I am using the Bar Code applet in OPro more and more these days, and > am so impressed with the improvements to delivery times ..... Great to have my impressions confirmed. If more people experience the same, it might be a nice idea to pass on a conpliment to the postal knowledgable persons at the postal offices. So as to be sure they maintain this facility for us. As it helps them as well (=better service!). > If not, is there anyone out there who would like a copy of such a > thing? Very much interested! Please do send me a copy. At present I use MFIII (Masterfile3) where the POBar code is present in a separate field as plain ASCII (e.g. ..ADDAASADFDSA..), but once transformed to the POBar font gives the correct coding. (Info on MF3. The field for the barcode must at present be able to handle at least 45 characters. All codes now used in GB and NL can then be handled.) Greetings, JohnvV > -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 23 13:33:55 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154438 for opro ; Thu, 23 Aug 101 13:33:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998569504:11:22971:63; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:25:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1029404; 23 Aug 2001 12:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7NCYX411674 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:34:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7NCYPp11671 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:34:30 +0100 Received: from modem-52.curium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.67.180] helo=beeston12) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15ZtV2-0006yN-00; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:22:16 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:16:28 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet Message-ID: <12c588ae4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4aae0338efrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.64b User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4aae0338efrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> "Robin A. Hampshire" wrote: > I am using the Bar Code applet in OPro more and more these days, and am so > impressed with the improvements to delivery times that I decided to try and > use the system in other programs. > The question is, would I be treading on anyone's copyright toes if I > were to make this custom function (along with the POBar font - no > point otherwise) available to others? > > If not, is there anyone out there who would like a copy of such a > thing? As I have not yet got down to using the POBar facility (Jan van Wredenburch will understand my limitations on this!) I should be very interested to hear of such a development. I have several databases kept in Impact-3, and would value the possibility to print out labels which include the bar-code automatically, or equally to print direct on C5 or DL envelopes of course. I suggest you keep the OvationPro list updated with your developments. if you are prepared to make your facility a PD one. Good luck! Yours, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 23 15:14:14 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154443 for opro ; Thu, 23 Aug 101 15:13:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998575832:20:05377:62; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:10:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119219; 23 Aug 2001 14:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7NEKjI11867 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:20:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7NEKgp11864 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:20:42 +0100 Received: from modem-32.orbic-cardinal.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.44.160] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15Zv9p-0002WD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:08:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robin A. Hampshire" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:08:19 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet Message-ID: <4aae93029erah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <12c588ae4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4aae0338efrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> <12c588ae4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <12c588ae4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin Phillips wrote: > As I have not yet got down to using the POBar facility (Jan van > Wredenburch will understand my limitations on this!) I should be > very interested to hear of such a development. I have several > databases kept in Impact-3, and would value the possibility to > print out labels which include the bar-code automatically, or > equally to print direct on C5 or DL envelopes of course. > I suggest you keep the OvationPro list updated with your > developments. if you are prepared to make your facility a PD one. So far I have ported to Pipedream and S-Base, and have sent it to several people on this list who have asked me for it via email. I do not use Impact-3 so can't offer any help on that, but if you do, and you are relatively competent at writing scripts for it yourself, it is a relatively simple matter to port it into virtually any language from the !POBar.library.bar file, even if like me you do not really understand C. Let me know if you would like the Pipedream version and I will send you that. Cheers, -- Robin Hampshire rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 24 19:51:30 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154463 for opro ; Fri, 24 Aug 101 19:51:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998665329:11:09705:61; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:02:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109559; 24 Aug 2001 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7OFAPq14196 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:10:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7OFAMp14193 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:10:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15aIPG-000L65-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:57:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:17:17 GMT Message-Id: <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Time has passed without any fresh disasters with Ovation Pro 2.66. My thanks to the 100 or so people who have tried it, I'd now like to tempt some more people to use it. I expect that at the end of the month I will make it the official latest version. The centre of gravity of the RISC OS world seems to be drifting to the Netherlands. The Autumns big show there is RUM 2001 in the Evoluon building in Eindhoven on the 13th October (see page 20 in the latest issue of Archive 14.12). The people running the show would like to have a demonstration of Ovation Pro. So if anyone would fancy giving a lecture there... let me know. Also in the above Archive (page 59) is a comment on backward compatability in Ovation Pro (in other words 2.66 documents not being loadable by older versions). One answer is that 2.66 is available for free so there's not much excuse for not upgrading. ================================================================================ OvationPro 2.66 is now available for testing, from http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op266.zip One of the main new things is support for variable sized spaces in text, as a result documents saved from 2.64 onwards won't load into earlier versions. You'll need a copy of Ovation Pro 2.60 or later to upgrade from. If you've had the previous 2.65 patch, all you need to do is patch !OvnPro there's no change to the applets. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 24 19:51:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154465 for opro ; Fri, 24 Aug 101 19:51:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998674191:20:15975:63; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:29:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125382; 24 Aug 2001 17:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7OHfPo14455 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:41:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7OHfMp14452 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:41:22 +0100 Received: from modem-91.iridium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.58.91] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15aKlN-0004PB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:28:58 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:36:53 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Sorry to jump in cold. But I have been unable to do much with my computer recently due to work pressure. What do I need to put bar codes on envlopes? when i send Ovpro letters? Ovpro 2.63, applet !POBar, but no PoBar Font -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878 e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 25 02:04:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154470 for opro ; Sat, 25 Aug 101 02:04:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998691606:20:10220:71; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:20:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125745; 24 Aug 2001 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7OMNhY14795 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:23:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7OMNfp14792 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:23:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15aPAX-000KJb-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:11:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:53:28 GMT Message-Id: <154466@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Sorry to jump in cold. But I have been unable to do much with my computer >recently due to work pressure. What do I need to put bar codes on envlopes? >when i send Ovpro letters? >Ovpro 2.63, applet !POBar, but no PoBar Font I'd suggest you look in DavidPilling.Applets.POBarCodes on your OPro CD, there you'll find the UK and NL applets and... the font directory which you can copy into your !Fonts. Inside the POBar applet is a !Help document that explains things. Something about RISC OS is this thing with !Help files... in my experience few people who need help know they exist or how to use them. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 25 02:04:35 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154471 for opro ; Sat, 25 Aug 101 02:04:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998691612:20:10397:61; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:20:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009757; 24 Aug 2001 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7OMNRD14790 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:23:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7OMNOp14787 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:23:24 +0100 Received: from [62.188.154.249] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15aP3e-0003BC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:04:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:35:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. Message-ID: <4aaf3fbf8esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Time has passed without any fresh disasters with Ovation Pro 2.66. My > thanks to the 100 or so people who have tried it, I'd now like to tempt > some more people to use it. I expect that at the end of the month I will > make it the official latest version. No, sorry, good as I am at breaking various things with C related software base I haven't broken OvP version 2.66. Maybe someone else can do better. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 25 13:43:01 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154473 for opro ; Sat, 25 Aug 101 13:42:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998721965:20:00703:61; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 06:46:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000668; 25 Aug 2001 6:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7P6vhi15375 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:57:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7P6vep15372 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:57:40 +0100 Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190] helo=tinypc) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15aXBt-000MMr-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 06:45:09 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c12d31$22f1bd80$23800001@tinypc> From: "Tony Simons" To: References: <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aaf3fbf8esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:42:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > In article <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Time has passed without any fresh disasters with Ovation Pro 2.66. My > > thanks to the 100 or so people who have tried it, I'd now like to tempt > > some more people to use it. I expect that at the end of the month I will > > make it the official latest version. Just done the latest Embsay Railway Mag on it with no problems. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 25 13:43:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154474 for opro ; Sat, 25 Aug 101 13:43:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998726761:20:11865:79; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:06:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112412; 25 Aug 2001 8:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7P8Hv915532 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:17:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7P8Hsp15529 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:17:54 +0100 Received: from userbk05.uk.uudial.com ([62.188.144.13] helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15aYKs-0002qL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:58:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Glynn Greenwood To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:01:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. Message-ID: <4aaf31b616gwood@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > OvationPro 2.66 is now available for testing, from > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op266.zip > One of the main new things is support for variable sized spaces in > text, as a result documents saved from 2.64 onwards won't load into > earlier versions. > You'll need a copy of Ovation Pro 2.60 or later to upgrade from. I have 2.46 so what can I do? -- Glynn Greenwood MIAP -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 25 13:43:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154476 for opro ; Sat, 25 Aug 101 13:43:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998733522:20:16602:61; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:58:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016541; 25 Aug 2001 9:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7PAAsV15706 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:10:54 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7PAAqp15703 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:10:52 +0100 Received: from [62.188.156.134] (helo=RiscPC) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15aa6A-0005ST-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:51:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:32:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. Message-ID: <4aaf8179a2steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4aaf31b616gwood@argonet.co.uk> References: <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aaf31b616gwood@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4aaf31b616gwood@argonet.co.uk>, Glynn Greenwood wrote: > In article <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.66 is now available for testing, from > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op266.zip > > One of the main new things is support for variable sized spaces in > > text, as a result documents saved from 2.64 onwards won't load into > > earlier versions. > > You'll need a copy of Ovation Pro 2.60 or later to upgrade from. > I have 2.46 so what can I do? Send a cheque to David to upgrade to the CD version? Although I'm amazed you're still using 2.46 rather than having upgraded that copy to the last of that upgrade series (2.59) Try that, it will give you a taste of a few of the improvements and probably convince you that the upgrade to 2.6x is worth it (if you needed convincing) -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 25 16:41:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154483 for opro ; Sat, 25 Aug 101 16:41:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998747727:10:06544:61; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:55:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107914; 25 Aug 2001 13:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7PE7bh16178 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:07:37 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7PE7Zp16175 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:07:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15adto-0005xI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:54:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:48:07 GMT Message-Id: <154481@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Details of upgrading to 2.60 are on my web site http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/opro.html (at a guess, OPro from the catalogue page at any rate). >Although I'm amazed you're still using 2.46 rather than having upgraded >that copy to the last of that upgrade series (2.59) Yes what a bargain, those upgrades were free. They're not available from my web site anymore. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:01:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154489 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:01:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998758646:10:23731:60; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:57:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023676; 25 Aug 2001 16:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7PH8kW16454 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:08:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7PH8gp16445 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:08:42 +0100 Received: from modem-135.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.25.135] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15agj6-0000AO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:56:04 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:41:31 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <154466@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 24 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > >Sorry to jump in cold. But I have been unable to do much with my computer > >recently due to work pressure. What do I need to put bar codes on envlopes? > >when i send Ovpro letters? > >Ovpro 2.63, applet !POBar, but no PoBar Font > > I'd suggest you look in DavidPilling.Applets.POBarCodes on your OPro CD, > there you'll find the UK and NL applets and... the font directory which > you can copy into your !Fonts. > > Inside the POBar applet is a !Help document that explains things. > > Something about RISC OS is this thing with !Help files... in my experience > few people who need help know they exist or how to use them. > Sorry not to have explained my problem correctly. Help file allready read. However, the only thing resembling a font file is in applets. POBarCodes. POBar. This is a normal folder (without the F mark). It will not load into !Fonts. that is why I asked is there anything else I needed -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878 e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:01:29 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154488 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:01:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998861633:20:05377:60; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:33:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116324; 26 Aug 2001 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7QLjon18932 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:45:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7QLjlp18929 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:45:47 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-2-dialup-179.spectraweb.ch [194.230.117.179]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7QLWkT32310 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:32:46 +0200 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:30:13 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <12c588ae4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 23 Aug, Robin Phillips wrote: > As I have not yet got down to using the POBar facility (Jan van Wredenburch > will understand my limitations on this!) I should be very interested to hear > of such a development. I have several databases kept in Impact-3, and would > value the possibility to print out labels which include the bar-code > automatically, or equally to print direct on C5 or DL envelopes of course. A suggestion for a quick way out without any programming techniques. And this can be used with the British *or* Dutch applet installed. Mind that both applets cannot be installed at the same time (at present!) Add an extra field in your database into which the postal code is to be inserted. Depending on your database, this field must be able to accept at least 45 characters (based on the present 'postal' situation). Load OvPro, select Menu>Applets>Barcode. Enter the date for 'Post code' and for 'Delivery point'. Click OK. The barcode appears in the OvPro document Select this barcode and save it into Edit. You can now save this text in the new field of your database. It will be a line of SDFADD....'s etc. If you add this line to your address and then change its style to the POBar font the coding will appear. Check it is at 14 pts. (Transfer is easy using !PtrCopy by Ran Mokady. It is PD) And about installing the POBar font. The !Help file does state that the POBar font must be installed in !Fonts. Which can be done by dragging the normal POBar folder into your main !Fonts directory. It will then automatically load on Boot-up. (An answer to J.P. Kerslake's question as well). Or have it installed by a font management system. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:01:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154493 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:01:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998758646:10:23752:61; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:57:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127672; 25 Aug 2001 16:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7PH8oV16455 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:08:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7PH8ip16449 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:08:44 +0100 Received: from modem-135.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.25.135] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15agj8-0000AO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:56:07 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:07:40 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: Backward Compatibility (was Ovation Pro 2.66 etc) To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro snip> > About Ovation Pro I said: > > "If you create a file in version 2.60 and send it to a friend who has > an earlier version then they will not be able to load the file you > have created. There are many good reasons for this and (as a general > statement from me) I do approve of the decision taken by David Pilling > to dispense with Backward Compatibility between version 2.60 and > earlier versions. Certainly it means that V 2.60 has many extra and > improved features which earlier versions do not have. Catering for > Backward Compatibility would have inhibited the inclusion of some of > these new features." > > I went on to say: > > "The 'downside' of this Backward Incompatibility is that you can not > use it if your intention is that the file should be read by people who > have an earlier version. I can think of many cases where this might > be a problem. Here's just a couple. You might have several computers > (a school, office or group of offices) with different versions of > Ovation Pro. You might use Ovation Pro for publishing a magazine > (Archive?) and want to publish the files on a CD. Which version of > Ovation Pro do you use for the CD or website?" > Very good article the only point not covered was DDL. If you send them the doc as A DDL file then they should be able to load it without too many problems. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878 e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:01:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154494 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:01:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998767189:20:18636:61; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:19:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017795; 25 Aug 2001 19:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7PJVeA16847 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:31:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7PJVbp16844 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:31:37 +0100 Received: from modem-29.naso-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.41.29] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15aixM-000323-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:18:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robin A. Hampshire" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:31:06 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet Message-ID: <4aafad3f4arah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <154466@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , John P. Kerslake wrote: > Sorry not to have explained my problem correctly. Help file > allready read. However, the only thing resembling a font file is in > applets. POBarCodes. POBar. This is a normal folder (without the F > mark). It will not load into !Fonts. that is why I asked is there > anything else I needed If you have the new(ish) !Boot structure or alternatively are using !FastFont on an older system, then just adding a new font directory to the !Fonts app won't work. You have to do that as well, but in addition: Have a look inside !Fonts. If there is a text file called Messages1 (that's a one, not an ell) then open that and add the line Font_POBar: to the list of fonts already listed there. If you put it as the last item in the list, add a POBar font will then be "seen" when you next boot up or double-click on !Fonts. -- Robin Hampshire rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:01:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154495 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:01:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998758646:10:23729:63; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:57:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023677; 25 Aug 2001 16:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7PH8oa16456 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:08:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7PH8dp16443 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:08:44 +0100 Received: from modem-135.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.25.135] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15agj3-0000AO-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:56:02 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:17:00 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <154481@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 25 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > Details of upgrading to 2.60 are on my web site > > http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/opro.html It took me 4 tries to get a good download. In all cases freshen reported patch compleated but the program did not run. On the 4 th try everything was fine. Could you include a check sum to test for bad downloads? I nearly pested you with a bug report containing 26 error messages. Thanks for a great program. You might want to let archive mag/ Mr F. know about DDL & backward compatability. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878 e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:01:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154496 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:01:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998767978:20:13220:60; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:32:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118775; 25 Aug 2001 19:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7PJjLR16947 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:45:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7PJjIp16944 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:45:18 +0100 Received: from ntlworld.com ([62.254.42.22]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010825193215.TVCL20588.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@ntlworld.com> for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:32:15 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:33:55 +0100 From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet Message-ID: References: <154466@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aafad3f4arah@brushford.f In-Reply-To: <4aafad3f4arah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your message of 25 Aug 2001 you wrote: > In article > , John P. > Kerslake wrote: > > Sorry not to have explained my problem correctly. Help file > > allready read. However, the only thing resembling a font file is in > > applets. POBarCodes. POBar. This is a normal folder (without the F > > mark). It will not load into !Fonts. that is why I asked is there > > anything else I needed > > If you have the new(ish) !Boot structure or alternatively are using > !FastFont on an older system, then just adding a new font directory > to the !Fonts app won't work. You have to do that as well, but in > addition: > > Have a look inside !Fonts. If there is a text file called Messages1 > (that's a one, not an ell) then open that and add the line > > Font_POBar: > > to the list of fonts already listed there. If you put it as the last > item in the list, add a > > POBar font will then be "seen" when you next boot up or double-click > on !Fonts. > If you use a font manager like FontMgr2 or Atlanta, what do you do please... Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:02:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154498 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:01:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998779541:20:11796:60; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:45:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109326; 25 Aug 2001 22:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7PMvXE17294 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:57:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7PMvVp17291 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:57:31 +0100 Received: from [62.188.13.240] (helo=62.188.13.240) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15am3x-0003gk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:37:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: Gerald L Fitton Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:37:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Backward Compatibility (was Ovation Pro 2.66 etc) Message-ID: <4aafced0c1davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ovation Pro wrote: > Paul Beverley still produces Archive using Impression > and the Impression files appear on the Annual CD. > What strategy should Paul adopt if he switches to > Ovation Pro for the magazine? I have my answer > to this question but I'd like people to think > about it before I reveal my own recommendation. Ovation Pro files I should think - the demo version of OP can view and print files and with DP's permission could presumably included on the CD -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:02:34 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154500 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:02:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998768304:10:09372:60; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:38:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009284; 25 Aug 2001 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7PJopG16995 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:50:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7PJonp16992 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:50:49 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ajFp-0006lu-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:38:09 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:30:22 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Backward Compatibility (was Ovation Pro 2.66 etc) To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 25 Aug, John P. Kerslake wrote: > Very good article the only point not covered was DDL. > If you send them the doc as A DDL file then they should > be able to load it without too many problems. The "Save As some earlier format" is how Excel deals with the backward compatibility issue. I was aware that "Save As DDL" is an option in Ovation Pro. It follows the same strategy as Excel but you are right that I didn't mention it (but then again, there were a lot of other relevant points which I didn't mention either). In my article I did include some comments about the 'Save As' strategy and I used as my example Excel. This strategy is satisfactory only if you have access to the sender of the file but not if you wish to 'Broadcast' the file (when it might be 'read' by people who don't have the latest version of the software). Paul Beverley still produces Archive using Impression and the Impression files appear on the Annual CD. What strategy should Paul adopt if he switches to Ovation Pro for the magazine? I have my answer to this question but I'd like people to think about it before I reveal my own recommendation. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:02:53 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154507 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:02:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998832363:20:21215:65; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:26:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122978; 26 Aug 2001 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7QDbGK18084 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:37:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7QDbDp18081 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:37:13 +0100 Received: from du-002-0082.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.82] helo=freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15azto-0000kB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:24:25 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:06:46 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Backward Compatibility (was Ovation Pro 2.66 etc) Message-ID: <03e218b04a.steve@steve.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Aug, in message Ovation Pro wrote: > On Fri 24 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > Also in the above Archive (14.12 page 59) is a comment on backward > > compatability in Ovation Pro (in other words 2.66 documents not being > > loadable by older versions). > > I am the author of the article to which David refers. > > I wrote the article because of the (large and increasing) amount of > correspondence I was receiving asking for my opinion about backward > compatibility in general. [snip] > I am sure that those who have read the whole article will know that my > remarks were not intended to be critical (in any way) of the policy > adopted by David for Ovation Pro. I'm not actually sure that it was that clear: the article didn't mention that upgrades were free or that there was no need for people to still be using version 2.60. I did end up wondering what point the article was trying to make. -- Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:04:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154514 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:04:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998852693:20:04949:65; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:04:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004791; 26 Aug 2001 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7QJDGn18499 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:13:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7QJDDp18496 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:13:13 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15b58w-000NZi-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:00:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:58:36 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Backward Compatibility (was Ovation Pro 2.66 etc) To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: <03e218b04a.steve@steve.stevefryatt.org.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 26 Aug, Steve Fryatt wrote: > I'm not actually sure that it was that clear: the article didn't mention > that upgrades were free or that there was no need for people to still be > using version 2.60. I did end up wondering what point the article was > trying to make. OK. Let's stop there. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:04:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154515 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:04:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998853460:20:06269:60; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:17:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005473; 26 Aug 2001 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7QJTj618611 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:29:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7QJThp18608 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:29:43 +0100 Received: from [62.188.134.202] (helo=62.188.134.202) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15b5IA-0000oU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:09:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:07:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Backward Compatibility (was Ovation Pro 2.66 etc) Message-ID: <4aafc69875charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Aug, Ovation Pro wrote: > On Fri 24 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > Also in the above Archive (14.12 page 59) is a comment > > on backward compatability in Ovation Pro > > (in other words 2.66 documents not being loadable by older versions). > I am the author of the article to which David refers. > I wrote the article because of the (large and increasing) > amount of correspondence I was receiving asking for > my opinion about backward compatibility in general. When I was forced to use various Micro$oft programs, Word & Excel in particular, at work. There was a great compatabilty problem since some departments had one version and others another. I had to send Excel files to different people with older versions than mine, but not necessarily the same older one. This meant asking the intended recipient what version of the program he was using and doing a "save as ....". Obviously if you require that every old version of a program is able to load files from a newer version you will inhibit development. If DDL can be equated to "Save as ..." then it would seem to be the perfect solution. Alternatively there is RTF which copes with the text. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:05:32 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154516 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:05:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998855743:20:29123:60; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:55:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028045; 26 Aug 2001 19:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7QK7TK18682 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:07:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7QK7Qp18679 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:07:26 +0100 Received: from modem-57.black-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.232.57] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15b5zN-0002CX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:54:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Robin A. Hampshire" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:33:41 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet Message-ID: <4ab0055ffdrah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <154466@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4aafad3f4arah@brushford.f User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , wrote: > If you use a font manager like FontMgr2 or Atlanta, what do you do > please... I don't know, I don't use a separate font manager, but presumably they all have documented facilities for adding new font families. I suppose the easiest sure-fire way to add a font in the "proper" way, is to put the font(s) you want to add, into another directory also called !Fonts (don't forget the !Pling). The filer will give your new !Fonts directory the same appearance as the "real" !Fonts in !Boot.Resources. Once you've done that, drag your new !Fonts into the merge fonts dialogue in Configuarion.Fonts. i.e. double-click on !Boot and then Fonts, then follow the instructions. (Those two sentences are rather confusing because of the number of occurences of the word "fonts", but they do make sense if you read them slowly). -- Robin Hampshire rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:06:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154518 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:06:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998861633:20:05380:60; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:33:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116050; 26 Aug 2001 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7QLjrx18937 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:45:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7QLjop18934 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:45:50 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-2-dialup-179.spectraweb.ch [194.230.117.179]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7QLWoT32322 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:32:50 +0200 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:20:07 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4aafad3f4arah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 25 Aug, Robin A. Hampshire wrote: snip some > Have a look inside !Fonts. If there is a text file called Messages1 > (that's a one, not an ell) then open that and add the line > > Font_POBar: > > to the list of fonts already listed there. If you put it as the last > item in the list, add a > > POBar font will then be "seen" when you next boot up or double-click > on !Fonts. This will only work if the POBar font has been installed somewhere... Which I presume is within the same directory where said Messages1 file, if it exists, is present. I understand that a 'Messages1' file speeds up booting. I do not believe it to be an alternative to the *installation* of fonts on boot-up. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:07:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154522 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:07:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998932695:20:27993:60; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:18:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124544; 27 Aug 2001 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7RHTkY20074 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:29:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7RHThp20071 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:29:43 +0100 Received: from modem-20.astatine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.62.20] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15bQ05-0006zI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:16:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:53:41 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4aafad3f4arah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 25 Aug, Robin A. Hampshire wrote: snip > If you have the new(ish) !Boot structure or alternatively are using > !FastFont on an older system, then just adding a new font directory > to the !Fonts app won't work. You have to do that as well, but in > addition: > > Have a look inside !Fonts. If there is a text file called Messages1 > (that's a one, not an ell) then open that and add the line > No file called Messages1 inside Fonts. When i open boot fonts and click on install will not accept the folder. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878 e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:07:55 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154525 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:07:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998941703:20:05564:60; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:48:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111165; 27 Aug 2001 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7RK09Q20311 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:00:09 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7RK06p20306 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:00:06 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (pop-zh-10-dialup-203.spectraweb.ch [194.230.6.203]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7RJksT20398 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:46:54 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:34:45 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 25 Aug, John P. Kerslake wrote: > It took me 4 tries to get a good download. In all cases freshen reported > patch compleated but the program did not run. On the 4 th try everything snip ... Strange! I downloaded OvPro 2.66 on 3/8/2001 at approx. 16:00 GMT and never had any problems when installing and using the new version. Excepting a possible bug I discovered by pure chance, also present on an earlier version. (The time mentioned is dinner time for many Swiss, therefore low density Internet traffic.) My experience is when downloading files is slow: abort. And try again when downloading is possible at higher speed. This also depends on your ISP. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:11:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154538 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:11:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999022114:20:25107:60; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:08:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024988; 28 Aug 2001 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7SILRD21988 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:21:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7SILOp21984 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:21:24 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-2-1-dialup-168.spectraweb.ch [194.230.203.168]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7SI7sT27349; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:07:58 +0200 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:07:28 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet To: "Robin A. Hampshire" cc: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4ab0bf9a32rah@brushford.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f7SILPp21985 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f7SILRE21988 This mailing is sent as a copy to the OvPro mailing list. To better understand my comments one must know that the use of postal bar codes rely on the destination address as used by the postal services in the country of destination. I presume the reason for this is that at present every country believes to have the better system... On Mon 27 Aug, Robin A. Hampshire wrote: ..... see Ovpro mailing list:.... > > On Wed 22 Aug, Robin A. Hampshire wrote: > > > I can't really see why there is a difference between them. If, as > > > is implied by David Pillings help file in his applet (I have got > > > all of my own info from that), there is a capability for an > > > international prefix in the code, then it implies that the same > > > code can be read internationally. If that is the case, then why > > > separate versions for separate countries? ..... My direct reply to him read: >=20 > > Well..., David's comments about help files is useful in this case. > > If you look at the 1st couple of lines of the Help file in the > > Dutch POBar applet, you will understand the reason. (Yes, the 2 > > applets have 2 different help files.) >=20 > Yes, I understand they are different. But, if it is acceptable to put > an international prefix in the UK version, it implies that letters > barcoded in the UK using the UK system /might/ be sent to overseas > countries, otherwise why the international prefix? The UK code: if you add the international prefix, it will only help British postal services to 'sidetrack' the mailing to "Abroad". They will therefore not add any coding on the bottom line of the envelope (which as you know should be reserved for postal reasons). > If that is so, then the overseas country must be able to read the > barcode, otherwise why barcode foreign-going mail in the first place? As stated above, for British ease, not for the receiving country of the mail. > And if they can read it, then why aren't the systems the same? >=20 > In other words, if I were sitting here in the UK, sending a letter to > the Netherlands, and I had been told that I could use an > international prefix (NL), then the alphanumeric code, then the > delivery point to make up the barcode, I would do so, not knowing > that the barcode produced would be wrong (ie the Dutch postal system > could not read the code). Apart from the NL prefix, there are several > other differences in the finished barcode. The Dutch system indeed does not use an international prefix. As it is not useful for the *destination address*. The barcode is -alas- at present country dependent on the receiving end. Not the sending end. I did mention earlier in a mailing to the OvPro list that Switzerland does noy add any coding on envelopes with a foreign destination. Because the country of destination must be able to do so. Because the final destination (town, street, house-number) are then vital. And one cannot overwrite an already present code... Another complication is that postal codes in different countries are not the same. At present I see the following: GB: 1 to 3 letter followed by a number (1-2 digits) followed by a number and 2 more letters; NL: 4 numbers followed by 2 letters; one can then eventually add data for delivery point; in that case one need not enter any details of the address except the person's name; D: a postal code existing of 5 numbers; no info on postal bar-coding available at present. The differences make it clear that coding from the "Sender" is not possible.=20 So as long as any single country decides to use its own coding system, you must use the receiving-country's code to speed up mailing. This statement remains valid even if the EU lives up to its glory. As long as the member-countries use their own coding system.=A0And as there are many/other countries on this planet... I hope this info clarifies some of the existing mis-understandings about the use of postal codes. Greetings JohnvV --=20 JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch =2E -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:12:05 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154540 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:12:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999031725:20:17714:61; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:48:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123746; 28 Aug 2001 20:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7SKwhe22306 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:58:43 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7SKwfp22303 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:58:41 +0100 Received: from [62.188.130.248] (helo=62.188.130.248) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15bpcm-00049C-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:38:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: Ovprolist Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:50:11 +0100 Subject: FreeUK Message-ID: <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does any one use FreeUK as an ISP and if so do you have problems in receiving postings from this group. I am cancelling my account with argonet at the end of this month and have set up an account with FreeUK but understand that some people on other mailing lists cannot receive posting with this particular provider. If this is this case then I shall have to look at an alternative provider, any suggestions gratefully received. Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use RISC OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From rwatki@argonet.co.uk Tue Aug 28 22:15:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154551 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:15:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998872898:10:26349:0; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 00:41:38 GMT Received: from madhatter.navaho.net ([213.161.67.202]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112499; 27 Aug 2001 0:41 GMT Received: from useran45.uk.uudial.com ([62.188.135.62] helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15bAMS-0000kd-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:34:40 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:02:37 +0100 From: Richard Watkinson To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. Message-ID: <9eed54b04a.Richard@user.argonet.co.uk> References: <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R In message <154461@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Hi, > > Time has passed without any fresh disasters with Ovation Pro 2.66. My thanks > to the 100 or so people who have tried it, I'd now like to tempt some more > people to use it. I expect that at the end of the month I will make it the > official latest version. > > The centre of gravity of the RISC OS world seems to be drifting to the > Netherlands. The Autumns big show there is RUM 2001 in the Evoluon building > in Eindhoven on the 13th October (see page 20 in the latest issue of Archive > 14.12). The people running the show would like to have a demonstration of > Ovation Pro. So if anyone would fancy giving a lecture there... let me know. > > Also in the above Archive (page 59) is a comment on backward compatability > in Ovation Pro (in other words 2.66 documents not being loadable by older > versions). One answer is that 2.66 is available for free so there's not much > excuse for not upgrading. > > ================================================================================ > > OvationPro 2.66 is now available for testing, from > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op266.zip > > One of the main new things is support for variable sized spaces in text, as > a result documents saved from 2.64 onwards won't load into earlier versions. > > You'll need a copy of Ovation Pro 2.60 or later to upgrade from. > > If you've had the previous 2.65 patch, all you need to do is > patch !OvnPro there's no change to the applets. > > > > David Pilling No problems here. Richard __ __ __ _ __ __ __ _______________________________________ |__|| |__|| |/ |_ |_||_ |_ |__| / |__||__ | ||__ |\ _|| ||__|__| /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all ___________________________/ occasions rwatki@argonet.co.uk Turn left where the chip shop used to be. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:16:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154560 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:16:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998941900:10:06955:107; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:51:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006363; 27 Aug 2001 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7RK0Ed20314 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:00:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7RK07p20310 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:00:08 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (pop-zh-10-dialup-203.spectraweb.ch [194.230.6.203]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7RJktT20430 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:46:55 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:08:55 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Backward Compatibility (was Ovation Pro 2.66 etc) To: Gerald L Fitton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 25 Aug, John P. Kerslake wrote: > snip> > > About Ovation Pro I said: > > > > "If you create a file in version 2.60 and send it to a friend who has > > an earlier version then they will not be able to load the file you snip some.. > > (Archive?) and want to publish the files on a CD. Which version of > > Ovation Pro do you use for the CD or website?" > > > Very good article the only point not covered was DDL. If you send them > the doc as A DDL file then they should be able to load it without too many > problems. Indeed. Because the DDL file also includes info relevant to the latest version. Loading a DDL file, error messages appear mentioning line numbers which are not understood by an older version of OvPro, so that one can delete the error-lines concerned in the file. (Load the file into Edit by Shift-dragging, then edit the file and save under a new name. Then load this new file. Etc., etc.) You will not get the end result of the original, but do get all info available compatible prior to the newer version. With missing fonts, OvPro allows a (temporary) replacement when loading. Whether something similar is possible when loading newer version files is beyond my knowledge. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:16:30 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154562 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:16:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998944678:10:14803:62; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:37:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014166; 27 Aug 2001 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7RKnaA20565 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:49:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7RKnXp20562 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:49:33 +0100 Received: from rpc ([62.252.88.210]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010827203628.QXS6330.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@rpc> for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:36:28 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:36:23 +0100 From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "John P. Kerslake" wrote: > On Sat 25 Aug, Robin A. Hampshire wrote: > snip > > > If you have the new(ish) !Boot structure or alternatively are using > > !FastFont on an older system, then just adding a new font directory > > to the !Fonts app won't work. You have to do that as well, but in > > addition: > > > > Have a look inside !Fonts. If there is a text file called Messages1 > > (that's a one, not an ell) then open that and add the line > > > No file called Messages1 inside Fonts. When i open boot fonts and click on > install will not accept the folder. > The new Fonts file has to be a !Fonts file. -- John Sandford Herts UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:20:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154565 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:20:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 998994924:10:01845:62; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:35:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001299; 28 Aug 2001 10:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7SAkoP21293 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:46:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (root@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7SAklp21290 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:46:47 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f7SAXUH08664 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:33:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Backward Compatibility (was Ovation Pro 2.66 etc) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:30:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Paul Beverley still produces Archive using Impression > and the Impression files appear on the Annual CD. > What strategy should Paul adopt if he switches to > Ovation Pro for the magazine? I have my answer > to this question but I'd like people to think > about it before I reveal my own recommendation. There are a number of options. The easiest is to leave the existing stuff as Impression, provide the new stuff in OvPro and provide access to a free OvPro reader (e.g. the demo version). The next would be to convert all the existing stuff to OvPro as well. I'm not sure there is a great benefit in this, except that everything can be read from the same program. The final solution which would involve the most work, but probably provide the most useful result would be to provide either of the above, plus use something like HTMLPro to convert the OvPro documents to HTML so they could be viewed by anybody with a HTML browser. Including those with something other than a ROS platform. I would favour the last option Just my 2p worth Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:20:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154567 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:20:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999003179:11:04711:69; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:52:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016393; 28 Aug 2001 12:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7SD5XB21549 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:05:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7SD5Vp21546 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:05:31 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15biLo-0007l1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:52:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:49:53 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. Message-ID: <7c021fb14a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Aug 2001, in message , "John P. Kerslake" wrote: > On Sat 25 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > Details of upgrading to 2.60 are on my web site > > > > http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/opro.html > > It took me 4 tries to get a good download. In all cases freshen reported > patch compleated but the program did not run. On the 4 th try everything > was fine. Freeserve, eh? I suggest you're getting exactly what you're paying for... -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 22:20:30 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154570 for opro ; Tue, 28 Aug 101 22:20:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999021902:11:23868:61; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:05:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014766; 28 Aug 2001 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7SIGrh21933 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:16:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7SIGop21930 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:16:50 +0100 Received: from modem-95.technetium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.37.95] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15bnD2-0003wR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:03:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:47:46 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 26 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Sat 25 Aug, Robin A. Hampshire wrote: > > snip some > > > > Have a look inside !Fonts. If there is a text file called Messages1 > > (that's a one, not an ell) then open that and add the line > > > > Font_POBar: > > > > to the list of fonts already listed there. If you put it as the last > > item in the list, add a > > > > POBar font will then be "seen" when you next boot up or double-click > > on !Fonts. > > > This will only work if the POBar font has been installed somewhere... > > Which I presume is within the same directory where said Messages1 file, > if it exists, is present. > > I understand that a 'Messages1' file speeds up booting. I do not believe > it to be an alternative to the *installation* of fonts on boot-up. > > JohnvV > Well I manually copied the font into !fonts. There was no Messages1 file to edit. I then rebooted. It worked! I can now barcode my letters. Thanks to everyone for all your help. But I still do not know why the font was not in a !fonts type folder. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 29 03:17:48 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154607 for opro ; Wed, 29 Aug 101 03:17:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999033733:20:15052:60; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:22:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108646; 28 Aug 2001 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7SLYdG22451 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:34:39 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7SLYap22448 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:34:37 +0100 Received: from dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:21:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:21:15 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: FreeUK To: Ovprolist In-Reply-To: <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364637 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, 45 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 28 Aug, Tony Humphreys wrote: > Does any one use FreeUK as an ISP and if so do you have problems in > receiving postings from this group. No experience with FreeUK but since you're ditching your existing ISP now might be the time to check out whether cable access to the net (which is surely available in MK isn't it) might actually work out cheaper than what you have at the moment. I'm paying GBP25 a month, all in, to Telewest (Blueyonder). Before I had this installed, a couple of months ago, I was spending quite a bit more than that on phone calls to Demon. Once I ditch the Demon account altogether (said but inevitable) I estimate I'll be spending about GBP20-25 a month less of Internet access (which means that the router I bought pays for itself in about 5 months). I have no trouble getting this list through Blueyonder. It's really worth considering; makes the net a whole new ball game. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 I like a man who grins when he fights. - WINSTON CHURCHILL -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 29 13:05:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154611 for opro ; Wed, 29 Aug 101 13:05:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999051355:20:18608:63; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:15:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117155; 29 Aug 2001 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7T2SXw22772 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:28:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7T2SSp22764 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:28:28 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15busk-000DUB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:15:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:38:53 GMT Message-Id: <154601@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >It took me 4 tries to get a good download. In all cases freshen reported >patch compleated but the program did not run. On the 4 th try everything >was fine. Could you include a check sum to test for bad downloads? Fair point. However one might expect other levels in the transfer to spot the problem, it would be interesting to use Spark (not FS) on the early downloads that should certainly spot any corruption. These 2.60+ upgrades are just clobbering the old !RunImage with a new one. There's no complex patching going on. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 29 13:05:09 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154612 for opro ; Wed, 29 Aug 101 13:05:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999051365:10:03925:63; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:16:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124840; 29 Aug 2001 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7T2SVs22770 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:28:31 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7T2SQp22759 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:28:26 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15busi-000DUB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:15:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:32:25 GMT Message-Id: <154599@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Well I manually copied the font into !fonts. There was no Messages1 >file to edit. I then rebooted. It worked! I can now barcode my letters. >Thanks to everyone for all your help. But I still do not know why the font >was not in a !fonts type folder. I think you're telling me that the font merge facility built into RISC OS expects a font to be in a !Fonts folder. Why wasn't it? Its one of those things where time has gone by and things have changed. To a programmer (i.e. me) a font is a plain folder and you install them by copying into a !Fonts folder. Thats how it was 13 years ago... When did it change, and why did no one tell me. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 29 13:05:11 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154613 for opro ; Wed, 29 Aug 101 13:05:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999051359:20:18687:61; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:15:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117204; 29 Aug 2001 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7T2SZo22773 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:28:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7T2SUp22768 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:28:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15busm-000DUB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:15:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:41:38 GMT Message-Id: <154603@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Backward Compatibility (was Ovation Pro 2.66 etc) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Fundamentally there is no excuse for the backward compatability problem. One should have perfect foresight, or only launch the program when it is finished, or more realistically devise a file format that degrades gracefully in the prescence of new features. Although I reckon that any fileformat will be in trouble with new features that are radical enough. So all I can do is come up with points like upgrades being freely available. The idea of using DDL is a good one, but in a way DDL gets this wrong, it could easily have been made to ignore features it didn't understand. In fact it works the other way around, if there is something in DDL from a new version, old versions will stop loading. It would be easy enough to use one of the file editing tools, Perl? to scan through DDL and remove things new to a given version. Thats a simple route to the facility that some of you want, it could even be wrapped up in a 'transsaver' shell so that it appeared on the save menu in Ovation Pro. All this is easy, low cost, and no I don't have time at the moment 8-) Obviously though, you do lose the new features, emulating e.g. variable size spaces would be a lot tougher. One reason for being tough on backwards compatability was that it stops you sending your document to a printer who produces a million hard copies with the wrong spacing or whatever. Are you using Ovation Pro files like HTML as a way of distributing information independent of how it looks or is it guaranteeing page layout? >Paul Beverley still produces Archive using Impression and the Impression >files appear on the Annual CD. What strategy should Paul adopt if he >switches to Ovation Pro for the magazine? I have my answer to this question >but I'd like people to think about it before I reveal my own recommendation. Perhaps this is an amusing point, PB continued using an old copy of Impression for a long time. I don't recall the exact details but if you look at the Archive CD you'll find that until about 1996 you can't load them into Ovation Pro since they use the 'old' Impression file format which vanished around 1990 (whenever Style came out). So compatability cuts both ways. I'd guess he should use a copy of 2.60 and put the demo version of OPro on the CD. And in due course move on to 2.66 or whatever. Archive does illustrate another problem. Why should there be any change? The current system works well. At the end of the day you have a choice, spend the resources available on new things or on preserving the status quo. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 29 13:05:15 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154614 for opro ; Wed, 29 Aug 101 13:05:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999051365:10:03920:60; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:16:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124839; 29 Aug 2001 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7T2SRh22761 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:28:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7RJ8cp20263 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:08:38 +0100 Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15bRXm-0004Yt-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:55:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:18:58 +0100 Subject: Moving around Message-ID: <4ab0b94d13david@pandda.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I really, really like Ovation Pro. It is an excellent piece of software and being dynamically developed in a sense by all who use it. (And by the wonderfully responsive author himself. Thanks David) My point: As a convert from Impression (as no doubt are an awful lot of users) we have all the benefits of Impression plus lots more, but . . and here it comes. I have one major frustration: In Impression it was possible to move around a document by holding down select on a document margin. Ovation has the arrow foe the toolbar, but you have to deselect it to do any editing. I valued the opportunity to move quickly elsewhere, edit and move on again seemlessly. Is there any possibility of this being implemented in OvPro, please, please!? David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 29 13:05:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154615 for opro ; Wed, 29 Aug 101 13:05:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999066915:20:13425:63; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:35:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013269; 29 Aug 2001 6:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7T6lWj23340 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:47:32 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7T6lTp23337 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:47:29 +0100 Received: from du-004-0165.freeuk.com ([212.126.149.165] helo=localhost.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15byvM-0002iA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:34:05 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:33:59 +0100 From: Colin Randall To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: FreeUK Message-ID: <176e80b14a.Colin@carandall.FreeUK.com> References: <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > Does any one use FreeUK as an ISP and if so do you have problems in > receiving postings from this group. I am cancelling my account with > argonet at the end of this month and have set up an account with FreeUK > but understand that some people on other mailing lists cannot receive > posting with this particular provider. If this is this case then I shall > have to look at an alternative provider, any suggestions gratefully > received. > > Tony. > I use FreeUK and I have never had any problems with it. The account was set up by RComp for me when I bought DialUp. The whole process was very straightforward. Colin -- The Parishes of Croglin, Holme Eden and Wetheral with Warwick. Web Site: http://home.freeuk.net/carandall -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 29 13:05:29 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154622 for opro ; Wed, 29 Aug 101 13:05:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999084542:11:21879:62; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:29:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018136; 29 Aug 2001 11:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7TBfFU23742 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:41:15 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TBfCp23739 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:41:13 +0100 Received: from du-013-0199.freeuk.com ([212.126.150.199] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15c3VZ-00070L-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:27:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: Ovprolist Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:03:05 +0100 Subject: Re: FreeUK Message-ID: <4ab18e1489badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> References: <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, Tony Humphreys wrote: > Does any one use FreeUK as an ISP Yes, I have used FreeUK for a couple of years now > and if so do you have problems in receiving postings from this group. None that I have been aware of, except one period of a day or so when the FreeUK servers were down, and messages were bounced back to senders. > I am cancelling my account with argonet at the end of this month and > have set up an account with FreeUK but understand that some people on > other mailing lists cannot receive posting with this particular > provider. I subscribe to 15 mailing lists, and as far as I know they all work OK. (Some of them are very quiet, but I don't think thats because FreeUK are not delivering. I have found logging onto FreeUK to be almost boringly reliable - over several hundred log-ins over two years, maybe twenty have required one extra attempt to connect. Based on my experience, I strongly recommend them. HTH Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 29 17:32:33 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154650 for opro ; Wed, 29 Aug 101 17:32:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999095543:20:00900:74; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:32:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001856; 29 Aug 2001 14:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7TEha124003 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:43:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TEhWp23994 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:43:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15c6M0-0003kU-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:30:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:26:47 GMT Message-Id: <154641@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Moving around X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Ovation has the arrow foe the toolbar, but you have to deselect it to do >any editing. eh? What I think you mean is that you have to install the grabber hand applet, but then you've got to change tool between dragging and doing anything. It probably would be better to Impression style 'overload' the pointer tool with yet another key press combination to give instant dragging. ps. you're still posting from a non-subscribed email address. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 01:37:43 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154662 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 01:37:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999107036:20:10459:61; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:43:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010365; 29 Aug 2001 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7THuiX24274 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:56:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7THugp24271 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:56:42 +0100 Received: from modem-963.aerodactyl.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.9.195] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15c9Mq-00082o-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:43:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:34:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Moving around Message-ID: <4ab190ed70rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ab0b94d13david@pandda.co.uk> References: <4ab0b94d13david@pandda.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ab0b94d13david@pandda.co.uk>, David Crofts wrote: > I have one major frustration: > In Impression it was possible to move around a document by holding down > select on a document margin. I personally use the scroll bars. Adjust clicking on a scroll bar gives you both vertical and horizontal movement from the same scroll bar. Even though the OP hand tool is available to move a document around, I never use it as it's easier to scroll as above. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 01:37:50 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154665 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 01:37:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999108393:10:24724:68; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:06:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024744; 29 Aug 2001 18:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7TIImm24368 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:18:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TIIkp24365 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:18:46 +0100 Received: from goatly ([213.48.145.127]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:05:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:57:12 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Moving around Message-ID: <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ab190ed70rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4ab190ed70rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray wrote: > In article <4ab0b94d13david@pandda.co.uk>, > David Crofts wrote: > > I have one major frustration: > > In Impression it was possible to move around a document by holding down > > select on a document margin. > > I personally use the scroll bars. Adjust clicking on a scroll bar gives > you both vertical and horizontal movement from the same scroll bar. > > Even though the OP hand tool is available to move a document around, I > never use it as it's easier to scroll as above. With respect, I think you are missing the point. If you have a document 50 pages long, it's pretty much impossible to get any degree of fine control in scrolling with the scroll bars. On the other hand, if you can use the pointer to 'grab' any non-frame (i.e. 'background') part of the page and drag the page around with the mouse, the fine control is exact. It's a feature I missed so much in TechWriter I badgered Mike Glover until he had it added! O.K., in OvPro the grabber hand applet is available, but it's a separate tool and is therefore less convenient. So a new keypress (David's thought elsewhere in this thread) isn't needed, just a recognition by OvPro that the pointer is over the page but not over a frame when Select is held down (the reverse of which must inevitably already be done already). Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 01:38:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154672 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 01:38:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999119556:11:23207:61; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:12:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122819; 29 Aug 2001 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7TLPTm24710 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:25:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TLPRp24707 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:25:27 +0100 Received: from [62.188.146.163] (helo=62.188.146.163) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15cCVy-0003qj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:04:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: Ovprolist Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:54:51 +0100 Subject: Re: FreeUK Message-ID: <4ab1c44252tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Peter Gaunt wrote: > On Tue 28 Aug, Tony Humphreys wrote: > > Does any one use FreeUK as an ISP and if so do you have problems in > > receiving postings from this group. > No experience with FreeUK but since you're ditching your existing ISP now > might be the time to check out whether cable access to the net (which is > surely available in MK isn't it) might actually work out cheaper than > what you have at the moment. I'm paying GBP25 a month, all in, to > Telewest (Blueyonder). Before I had this installed, a couple of months > ago, I was spending quite a bit more than that on phone calls to Demon. > Once I ditch the Demon account altogether (said but inevitable) I > estimate I'll be spending about GBP20-25 a month less of Internet access > (which means that the router I bought pays for itself in about 5 months). Indeed cable has been available in MK for over 20 years (now run by ntl) but the trouble is that I'm no longer connected to it and have no wish to do so as I have my own digital dish and normal aerial for occasionally watching ITV. Also I am not a heavy user of the internet or indeed the phone system so I don't think it would be worthwhile going down this route. Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use RISC OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 01:38:34 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154674 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 01:38:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999120856:11:28481:60; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:34:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018448; 29 Aug 2001 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7TLlEo24862 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:47:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TLlBp24859 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:47:11 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-1-2-dialup-49.spectraweb.ch [194.230.154.49]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7TLXVT23062 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:33:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:13:34 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar font and Bar Code Applet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <154599@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > Based on my statement: > >Well I manually copied the font into !fonts. There was no Messages1 snip some David continues: > > Its one of those things where time has gone by and things have changed. > To a programmer (i.e. me) a font is a plain folder and you install them by > copying into a !Fonts folder. Thats how it was 13 years ago... When did it > change, and why did no one tell me. It changed when some software added their own fonts and had the idea to make things (so-called) easier for installing, added a complete font folder. Which then could be "melted" together with the existing Fonts folder. Because RO4 (maybe some earlier versions as well) has a font merge posibility. But in principle nothing changed. So basically there are 3 ways of adding fonts: 1. As was done umpteen years ago (I did this already 17 years ago!) This means simply dragging the the font folder into the !Fonts directory wherever it is, actually the easiest way; 2. Or by using the ROS facility within the Boot structure, i.e using the font-merge utility existing with RiscOs 4 (and maybe earlier versions); 3. Or by adding the font into a font manager (EasyPro et all) As far as the POBar applet is concerned, system 1 stated above is followed for installing the necessary font. Which is the basic system. And therefore correct. System2 is a sophistication, at times software dependent and invisible to the User, as installation is possibly automatic on initially loading the software. Which makes it difficult for the End-User to understand what is happening or why certain files are present in certain directories. System3 is your personal choice. But in that case you know what you are doing. Initially I used system1 for using the POBar font (test and trial period). At present I use sytem3 and have the POBar loaded automatically by !EasyPro as default when booting the computer. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 01:38:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154675 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 01:38:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999121374:11:11302:65; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:42:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029879; 29 Aug 2001 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7TLu0Y24928 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:56:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TLtwp24925 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:55:58 +0100 Received: from du-002-0137.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.137] helo=freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15cD6P-0002ft-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:42:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:37:35 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: FreeUK Message-ID: <2728d3b14a.steve@steve.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> <4ab18e1489badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4ab18e1489badger.set@freeuk.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.44 (24 Jul 2001) [TEST 7], ZapEmail 0.26 (14 Jun 2001) test-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 29 Aug, in message <4ab18e1489badger.set@freeuk.com> Richard Brock wrote: > In article <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, > Tony Humphreys wrote: > > > I am cancelling my account with argonet at the end of this month and > > have set up an account with FreeUK but understand that some people on > > other mailing lists cannot receive posting with this particular > > provider. > > I subscribe to 15 mailing lists, and as far as I know they all work OK. > (Some of them are very quiet, but I don't think thats because FreeUK are > not delivering. There does seem to be some problem reported with lists on Argonet not getting delivered to FreeUK subscribers, though this seems to be avoided by using a forwarding email address (as I do). I have had a few occasions recently where FreeUK have bounced all email for a few hours as their servers have been down; this seems to have settled down again now (touch wood). > I have found logging onto FreeUK to be almost boringly reliable - over > several hundred log-ins over two years, maybe twenty have required one > extra attempt to connect. Not relevant to mailing lists, but they seem to be having some problems with their news servers at the moment (unless it's just my setup). > Based on my experience, I strongly recommend them. Agreed (though we can't recommend them to too many people or the service might deteriorate... :-). -- Steve Fryatt - Glasgow, Scotland http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 01:38:46 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154676 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 01:38:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999124328:10:07958:65; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:32:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128266; 29 Aug 2001 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7TMjIt25214 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:45:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TMjFp25211 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:45:15 +0100 Received: from modem-14.alakazam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.11.14] helo=modem-14) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15cDs5-0004J6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:31:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:31:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Moving around Message-ID: <4ab1d81700rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ab1cf1775gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk> <4ab1cf1775gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ab1cf1775gav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > I been using a little bit of OPro script for a while that toggles the > Grabber tool on and off from a macro key press. It's a bit crude but > I've found it useful while working on long documents that have small > scroll bars. Currently the macro is set to 'Ctrl + \' but it can be > altered in the script file if you already use that sequence. > I've cleaned it up a bit and written a short help file and uploaded it > to my website. If anybody is interested in it they can get it from: > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html#scroller If I click on the Scroller script and then press Ctrl + \ I get an error message from OP 'EREP'. This produces a throwback window saying 'Serious error Unknown identifier scroller_togglegrabber' I do have !Grabber installed and OP 2.66. Any ideas? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From david@pandda.co.uk Thu Aug 30 01:40:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154679 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 01:40:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999113128:20:27979:14; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:25:28 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae2121784; 29 Aug 2001 19:24 GMT Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15cAwF-000Hfu-0V for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:23:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: David Pilling Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:43:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Moving around Message-ID: <4ab1c3426edavid@pandda.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154641@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154641@pilling.demon.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: david@pandda.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain In article <154641@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > ps. you're still posting from a non-subscribed email address. Sorry. I have bought david@pannda.co.uk but dod not realsie that i had subscribed via it's alter ego: david@croftsdt.demon.co.uk David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 01:40:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154681 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 01:40:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999122704:20:26402:65; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:05:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026299; 29 Aug 2001 22:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7TMHpA25049 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:17:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.123]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TMHnp25046 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:17:49 +0100 Received: from dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:04:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:04:09 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: RiScript 4.13 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364636 days, 1 hour, 55 minutes, 51 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've just installed RiScript 4.13. At the moment I don't have a manual. Cerilica were kind enough to send me an evaluation copy by email as they can't despatch the discs until next week. At the moment, I'm mainly interested in using it to convert the output from the Postscript driver to PDF so that I can continue to use apps like OP while using my Mac for critical printing on my Epson Stylus Photo 790 (I have a 660 connected to the RPC which is fine for a lot of stuff). I've thrown a whole load of files at it, mainly output from OP but also stuff from EasiWriter, Draw and PhotoDesk (the latter just to see if it would work since I can print PhotoDesk files via PhotoShop LE). On the whole I'm very impressed with the output from RiScript but there are some files which it can't handle. So far all the offending ones have been generated from OP though most of those from OP have been fine. So far the complaints from RiScript have always been about the 'setscreen' command in the Postscript file. If I remove those it has always complained about 'sqrt' and if I remove /those/ then it'll complain about something else. This is not necessarily a problem if there's a way around it. If this involves not using certain types of things in OP (at least until Cerilica fix it) then so be it, I guess. Problem is, what to avoid. Some of this may be in the manual on the discs which I don't yet have. I was warned, by Cerilica, that there's a 'system wide' problem with clipping but I have no way of knowing whether the problems are caused by that or not. What I would be most grateful for is if some kind soul could tell me, perhaps from their own experience, what sort of things to avoid or, better still, if there's a way around whatever it is causes problems. This is not meant in anyway as destructive criticism of RiScript. As I say, I'm actually pretty impressed with the job that it does. Thanks! -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 When hammering a nail, you will never hit your finger if you hold the hammer with both hands. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 01:40:11 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154683 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 01:40:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999118597:20:13942:66; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:56:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013562; 29 Aug 2001 20:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7TL8UR24662 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:08:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TL8Rp24659 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:08:27 +0100 Received: from ppp-2-116.5800-7.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.159.116] helo=ghc) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 15cCMR-0007yS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:54:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:53:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Moving around Message-ID: <4ab1cf1775gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk> References: <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I been using a little bit of OPro script for a while that toggles the Grabber tool on and off from a macro key press. It's a bit crude but I've found it useful while working on long documents that have small scroll bars. Currently the macro is set to 'Ctrl + \' but it can be altered in the script file if you already use that sequence. I've cleaned it up a bit and written a short help file and uploaded it to my website. If anybody is interested in it they can get it from: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html#scroller Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 01:40:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154686 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 01:40:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999125718:20:04626:68; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:55:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124421; 29 Aug 2001 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7TN8Cg25277 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:08:12 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TN89p25274 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:08:09 +0100 Received: from ppp-3-88.5800-5.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.150.88] helo=ghc) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 15cEEF-000Omu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:54:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:53:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Moving around Message-ID: <4ab1da22d2gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ab1d81700rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk> <4ab1cf1775gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ab1d81700rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f7TN89p25275 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f7TN8Ch25277 In article <4ab1d81700rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <4ab1cf1775gav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > Gavin Crawford wrote: >> I been using a little bit of OPro script for a while that toggles the >> Grabber tool on and off from a macro key press. It's a bit crude but >> I've found it useful while working on long documents that have small >> scroll bars. Currently the macro is set to 'Ctrl + \' but it can be >> altered in the script file if you already use that sequence. >> I've cleaned it up a bit and written a short help file and uploaded it >> to my website. If anybody is interested in it they can get it from: >> http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html#scroller > If I click on the Scroller script and then press Ctrl + \ I get an erro= r > message from OP 'EREP'. > This produces a throwback window saying 'Serious error Unknown > identifier scroller_togglegrabber' > I do have !Grabber installed and OP 2.66. > Any ideas? Yes, it *must* be installed into the 'Library' directory inside Ovation Pro (or inside the 'Library' directory within the !Custom applet if you use it) If you just run a script by double-clicking on it, it will be executed, but after execution the script and all its functions, variables etc. are discarded. where as; [1] If you put a script file in the directory !OvnPro.Library, then on running Ovation=A0Pro, it is loaded and its main() function is executed. After execution, any functions or global declarations in that file are added to the resident library of functions. Library functions of this typ= e may be called by other scripts, or assigned to a macro and executed from = a button or key press. [1] text lifted directly from the Ovation Pro Script Language Reference Guide. Gav. --=20 Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 01:40:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154687 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 01:40:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999129535:20:25751:63; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:58:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025698; 29 Aug 2001 23:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7U0BeY25445 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:11:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (snowy.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7U0BWp25442 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:11:32 +0100 Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (ppp-48.kiwilink.co.nz [202.27.215.114]) by snowy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f7TNvLw28925 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:57:22 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:49:13 +1200 Subject: Re: Moving around Message-ID: <4ab1df3585tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk> References: <4ab190ed70rayd@argonet.co.uk> <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.03a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f7U0Bcp25443 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f7U0BeZ25445 In article <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk>, Bruce Goatly wrote: > If you have a document 50 pages long, it's pretty much impossible to > get any degree of fine control in scrolling with the scroll bars. On > the other hand, if you can use the pointer to 'grab' any non-frame > (i.e. 'background') part of the page and drag the page around with > the mouse, the fine control is exact. !MouseAxes. Does this and a heap more. One of those little utilities (& in general I hate utilities) that's indispensible. Doesn't conflict with anything I use. Available from... hmm. !Help says MouseAxess 0.16 (RISC OS 4 version) =A9 1994-98 by Christian Fl=F6ter http://lightning.prohosting.com/~cfloeter RO4 support by GUS (dedicated to Stefan Bellon) Tim --=20 Tim King... de-Sign. +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 13:25:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154704 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 13:25:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999133623:20:03493:61; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:07:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003453; 30 Aug 2001 1:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7U1KBd25604 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 02:20:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TLPvp24724 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:25:58 +0100 Received: from [62.188.146.163] (helo=62.188.146.163) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15cCWS-0003qj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:05:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: Ovprolist Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:07:11 +0100 Subject: FreeUK Message-ID: <4ab1c5636ftony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thank you all for the advice, I think that I shall probably be going along with FreeUK for now but I have also set up an account with AAUGonline. However they seem to be having problems at the moment with the use of sub-domains and connection has not always been reliable. I was merely concerned because there have been some problems with people using FreeUK not being able to receive postings from the Archive-on-line mailing list. Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use RISC OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 13:25:12 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154705 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 13:25:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999133624:20:03627:60; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:07:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2003572; 30 Aug 2001 1:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7U1KIB25612 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 02:20:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TJbIp24568 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:37:18 +0100 Received: from croftsdt.demon.co.uk ([158.152.77.40]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15cAwD-000Hfu-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:23:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Crofts To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:42:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Moving around Message-ID: <4ab1c32a09david@pandda.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <154641@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <154641@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <154641@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Ovation has the arrow foe the toolbar, but you have to deselect it to do > >any editing. > eh? > What I think you mean is that you have to install the grabber hand > applet, but then you've got to change tool between dragging and doing > anything. Absoutely cprrect, couldn't have put it better myself! > It probably would be better to Impression style 'overload' the pointer > tool with yet another key press combination to give instant dragging. OK, seems good - how? > ps. you're still posting from a non-subscribed email address. Whoops I'll remedy that David Crofts -- <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< < / _\ Rev David T Crofts | | \ _____ | |_/avid / \/ \__/rofts \_____/\ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 13:25:18 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154707 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 13:25:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999133616:10:13232:60; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:06:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013199; 30 Aug 2001 1:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7U1K7N25599 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 02:20:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7U1K5p25596 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 02:20:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15cGHu-000EVG-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:06:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:59:31 GMT Message-Id: <154696@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So far the complaints from RiScript have always been about the 'setscreen' >command in the Postscript file. If I remove those it has always complained >about 'sqrt' and if I remove /those/ then it'll complain about something >else. If you look in the mail list archives, Tonnie Demarteau has covered this problem thoroughly. I think the quick answer is to change the PS screen spot type in OP. Despite the code for the troublesome one being from the Adobe Red Book it upsets RiscScript. (Print window, separations, screen) Last word was that there was no problem... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 15:17:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154715 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 15:17:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999179377:20:25814:60; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:49:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103243; 30 Aug 2001 13:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7UE1dX26538 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:01:39 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7UE1Ip26535 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:01:36 +0100 Received: from mcqueen ([62.252.174.234]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010830134736.QYZK20588.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@mcqueen> for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:47:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:48:10 GMT From: Colin McQueen To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Moving around Message-ID: <7b042cb24a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <4ab190ed70rayd@argonet.co.uk> <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk> <4ab1df3585tim@de-sig.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4ab1df3585tim@de-sig.co.nz> X-Organization: The McQueen Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f7UE1ap26536 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f7UE1dY26538 In message <4ab1df3585tim@de-sig.co.nz> Tim King wrote: > In article <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk>, > Bruce Goatly wrote: > > If you have a document 50 pages long, it's pretty much impossible to > > get any degree of fine control in scrolling with the scroll bars. On > > the other hand, if you can use the pointer to 'grab' any non-frame > > (i.e. 'background') part of the page and drag the page around with > > the mouse, the fine control is exact. >=20 > !MouseAxes. Does this and a heap more. One of those little utilities > (& in general I hate utilities) that's indispensible. Doesn't conflict > with anything I use. Available from... hmm. !Help says >=20 > MouseAxess 0.16 (RISC OS 4 version) >=20 > =A9 1994-98 by Christian Fl=F6ter > http://lightning.prohosting.com/~cfloeter >=20 > RO4 support by GUS (dedicated to Stefan Bellon) > Wow what a smart little module! Does anyone know if it does cause problems? I particularly like the hide windows bit. --=20 Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 18:03:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154720 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 18:03:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999190725:10:29708:61; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:58:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115045; 30 Aug 2001 16:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7UHBDH26842 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:11:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from napoli.armware (zappo@67.adsl0.soeb.worldonline.dk [213.237.11.67]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7UHBAp26839 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:11:10 +0100 Received: from pd9007382.dip.t-dialin.net (veni) [217.0.115.130] (sbellon) by napoli.armware with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15cV85-00038L-00; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:57:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:39:19 +0200 Subject: Re: Moving around Message-ID: <4ab23bafd6sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <7b042cb24a.cmcqueen@cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> References: <4ab190ed70rayd@argonet.co.uk> <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk> <4ab1df3585tim@de-sig.co.nz> <7b042cb24a.cmc User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f7UHBDI26842 Colin McQueen wrote: > In message <4ab1df3585tim@de-sig.co.nz> > Tim King wrote: [snip] > > MouseAxess 0.16 (RISC OS 4 version) > >=20 > > =A9 1994-98 by Christian Fl=F6ter > > =20 > > http://lightning.prohosting.com/~cfloeter > >=20 > > RO4 support by GUS (dedicated to Stefan Bellon) > > > Wow what a smart little module! Yes, I kept advertising it over and over again, but nobody seemed to notice. > Does anyone know if it does cause problems? I'm using it since the _very_ first beta versions. I've had no problems with it so far. > I particularly like the hide windows bit. I can't live without the Menu-Select and Menu-Adjust functions anymore. Greetings, Stefan. --=20 Stefan Bellon * * PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page VirusScan Message: Windows 3.1 found: Remove it? (Y/n) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 19:41:10 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154728 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 19:41:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999191133:10:11737:62; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:05:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101240; 30 Aug 2001 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7UHIDA26915 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:18:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7UHIBp26912 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:18:11 +0100 Received: from userbk37.uk.uudial.com ([62.188.144.45] helo=argonet.co.uk) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15cV81-000780-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:57:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Glynn Greenwood To: Ovprolist Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:54:17 +0100 Subject: Re: FreeUK Message-ID: <4ab237900bgwood@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ab1c44252tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> References: <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> <4ab1c44252tony.humphreys@arg User-Agent: Pluto/2.03c (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4ab1c44252tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, Tony Humphreys wrote: > Indeed cable has been available in MK for over 20 years (now run by ntl) Not in Stony Stratford. -- Glynn Greenwood MIAP -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 21:23:14 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154730 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 21:23:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999197175:20:26915:60; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:46:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026873; 30 Aug 2001 18:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7UIwEF27118 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:58:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7UIwCp27115 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:58:12 +0100 Received: from modem-21.promethium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.50.21] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15cWnk-0001Ip-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:44:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:17:58 +0100 (BST) From: "John P. Kerslake" Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <154601@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > >It took me 4 tries to get a good download. In all cases freshen reported > >patch compleated but the program did not run. On the 4 th try everything > >was fine. Could you include a check sum to test for bad downloads? > > Fair point. > > However one might expect other levels in the transfer to spot the problem, > it would be interesting to use Spark (not FS) on the early downloads > that should certainly spot any corruption. Arrg I used:- fresco 2.13 (full ssl & Jarva Script) and SparkFS 1.37 > These 2.60+ upgrades are just clobbering the old !RunImage with a new one. > There's no complex patching going on. > snip -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878, e-mail Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, Ant INS. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 23:33:58 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154732 for opro ; Thu, 30 Aug 101 23:33:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999208197:10:02513:61; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:49:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103070; 30 Aug 2001 21:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7UM0do27362 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:00:39 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7UM0ap27359 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:00:36 +0100 Received: from du-002-0215.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.215] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15cZeC-0003xQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:46:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:28:03 +0100 Subject: Re: FreeUK Message-ID: <4ab1d7c744badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <2728d3b14a.steve@steve.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4ab13ffebetony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> <4ab18e1489badger.set@freeuk.com> <2728d3b14a.steve@steve.stevefryatt.org. User-Agent: Pluto/2.03e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <2728d3b14a.steve@steve.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt wrote: > Agreed (though we can't recommend them to too many people or the service > might deteriorate... :-). Oops, sorry, good point. 'Nuff said and mums the word! -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 13:50:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154742 for opro ; Fri, 31 Aug 101 13:50:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999251150:20:06224:61; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:45:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006109; 31 Aug 2001 9:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7V9wmY28113 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:58:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow025o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7V9wjp28110 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:58:45 +0100 Received: from goatly ([213.48.145.37]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:45:04 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:34:11 +0100 From: Bruce Goatly To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Moving around Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ab1df3585tim@de-sig.co.nz> X-Organization: Perfect Page X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4ab1df3585tim@de-sig.co.nz> Tim King wrote: > In article <2ffbbeb14a%ovation@goatly.demon.co.uk>, > Bruce Goatly wrote: > > If you have a document 50 pages long, it's pretty much impossible to > > get any degree of fine control in scrolling with the scroll bars. On > > the other hand, if you can use the pointer to 'grab' any non-frame > > (i.e. 'background') part of the page and drag the page around with > > the mouse, the fine control is exact. > > !MouseAxes. Does this and a heap more. Thanks - I'll give it a whirl. Bruce -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 13:51:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154746 for opro ; Fri, 31 Aug 101 13:50:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999249503:10:22016:60; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:18:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021517; 31 Aug 2001 9:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7V9UZN27996 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:30:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.123]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7V9UWp27993 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:30:32 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:16:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:16:36 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <154696@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364634 days, 14 hours, 43 minutes, 24 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 30 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > >So far the complaints from RiScript have always been about the 'setscreen' > >command in the Postscript file. If I remove those it has always complained > >about 'sqrt' and if I remove /those/ then it'll complain about something > >else. > > If you look in the mail list archives, Tonnie Demarteau has covered this > problem thoroughly. I had a look back about a year and found something in April this year. Not read it yet so not sure whether it solves the problem (though since you say it does it probably does!). > I think the quick answer is to change the PS screen spot type in OP. Or, indeed, just turn it off altogether which seems to make it work. I understand Postscript about as well as understand how to speak Bengali (of which I know a few swear words and how to say OK). Slightly off topic: does anyone have any experience of printing PDFs generated on Risc OS to an Epson 790 (or similar) on a Mac? I can't get the hang of getting photographic output right. I can't get the hang of getting the ColorSync settings right. Photos end up with the right hues but too dark unless I set the screen gamma to a level which hurts my eyes (yes folks, the screen settings can affect your printer output). I've tried asking on Mac newsgroups but only had one decent, fairly technical, reply, a few strange comments and various suggestions to buy bits of software costing anything up to USD2000! Nothing like as friendly and helpful as the Risc OS community. If anyone does have an answer it'd probably be best by email unless it's relevant to this list. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clear to the bone. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 17:33:45 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154758 for opro ; Fri, 31 Aug 101 17:33:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999266201:10:19502:66; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:56:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109285; 31 Aug 2001 13:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7VE9MO28494 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:09:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7VE9Jp28491 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:09:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15colY-0009CZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:55:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:53:57 GMT Message-Id: <154749@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Incidentally why bother with PDF why not just ship PostScript over to your Mac? Presumeably the objection is if you don't have a PS printer, but there's always GhostScript. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 17:33:45 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154757 for opro ; Fri, 31 Aug 101 17:33:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999272274:20:17789:62; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:37:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016201; 31 Aug 2001 15:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7VFnpu28660 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:49:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7VFnnp28657 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:49:49 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:36:06 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:35:44 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <154749@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364634 days, 8 hours, 24 minutes, 16 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 31 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > Incidentally why bother with PDF why not just ship PostScript > over to your Mac? > > Presumeably the objection is if you don't have a PS printer, but > there's always GhostScript. 'Cos it doesn't handle fonts properly. Or rather the RO implementation of GS includes proper postscript fonts if you have the postscript versions in your !Fonts directories but doesn't do very well with bit maps whereas the Mac version doesn't handle fonts properly. Or is it the other way round? I forget. A bit of a bind that! Well, that's my experience anyway. If you want anything better on the Mac you have to pay for it. There's hardly any freeware at all. Even folks who write tiny little utilities want you to pay $10 for them. Plus GS & ps2pdf are a pain in the neck to use on a regular basis. RiScript is actually rather a nice program to use (though I do wish there was a way to put indexes in the PDFs). -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 The bag that breaks is the one with the eggs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 17:33:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154759 for opro ; Fri, 31 Aug 101 17:33:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999274619:20:07628:61; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:16:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007505; 31 Aug 2001 16:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7VGUGG28773 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:30:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (root@[193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7VGUEp28770 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:30:14 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (aardog.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.173]) by inca.sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08843 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:10:11 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3B8FB868.3010100@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:16:40 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010801 X-Accept-Language: en,ja,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Peter Gaunt wrote: > On Fri 31 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > 'Cos it doesn't handle fonts properly. Or rather the RO implementation of > GS includes proper postscript fonts if you have the postscript versions in > your !Fonts directories but doesn't do very well with bit maps ..... Errr, hang on. The RO implementation of GS is completely independant of the !Fonts directory. It as good implementations of the 35 standard PS fonts, and handles any fonts included in the PS it is given. Depending on the form of the font in a PS file you may get a lowish quality font for screen display, but generally it is very good these days. > Plus GS & ps2pdf are a pain in the neck to use on a regular basis In what way? Any constructive comments could help us improve a potentially useful set of free utilities. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 21:35:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154765 for opro ; Fri, 31 Aug 101 21:35:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999278140:11:09195:60; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:15:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022314; 31 Aug 2001 17:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7VHSqY28926 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:28:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7VHSnp28923 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:28:49 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-74.spectraweb.ch [194.230.116.74]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7VHEfT02815 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:14:46 +0200 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:39:54 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.66 etc. To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Aug, John P. Kerslake wrote: > Arrg I used:- fresco 2.13 (full ssl & Jarva Script) and SparkFS 1.37 I seem to have missed something. I still use Fresco 1.80. Have as yet never had any problem on downloading from the OvPro sites. I should possibly update... Comments please directly to me. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 21:36:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154768 for opro ; Fri, 31 Aug 101 21:36:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999278394:20:01597:60; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:19:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001335; 31 Aug 2001 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7VHXQj28988 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:33:26 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.123]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7VHXOp28985 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:33:24 +0100 Received: from riscpc.dawnsun.net ([62.30.150.50]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:19:36 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:19:18 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3B8FB868.3010100@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo3000: 364634 days, 6 hours, 40 minutes, 42 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 31 Aug, Graham Jones wrote: > Peter Gaunt wrote: > > On Fri 31 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > 'Cos it doesn't handle fonts properly. Or rather the RO implementation of > > GS includes proper postscript fonts if you have the postscript versions > > in your !Fonts directories but doesn't do very well with bit maps ..... > > Errr, hang on. The RO implementation of GS is completely independant of the > !Fonts directory. It as good implementations of the 35 standard PS fonts, > and handles any fonts included in the PS it is given. Depending on the form > of the font in a PS file you may get a lowish quality font for screen > display, but generally it is very good these days. Right, I knew I'd got it the wrong way round :-( Must be my age, or is it the cheese. The RO implementation of ps2pdf (far better than the Mac's by the way which is effectively command line driven from a window) does the right thing with bit maps but seems to convert all fonts to the wrong type (or was it to outlines?). Even if it did (or does) handle the standard PS fonts I'm rather partial to things like Gill Sans and Garamond. On the other hand, if I send the Postscript across to the Mac with real Postscript fonts (from EFF) then MacPS2PDF does the right thing with the fonts. Unfortunately, I could not find a command to stop it turning all bitmaps into 72dpi versions which look fine on-screen but are not exactly what's wanted for paper. There must /be/ such a command (because the RO version manages it) but I haven't a clue what it is. > > Plus GS & ps2pdf are a pain in the neck to use on a regular basis Trying to change anything means remembering a whole load of commands for one thing. I'm pretty certain that GS was never really /meant/ to be run as a command line program. It was meant to be a platform independent engine for which someone would hopefully write proper front ends. There's a reasonable ps2pdf front end for RO but I can't fathom out what the options do due to the lack of docs so I nearly always leave everything at the defaults. That's probably what causes my problem with fonts but I couldn't be bothered wading through reams of GS docs, most of which are complete gibberish to me, to work out exactly what to do to get things right. It's like a lot of ports (especially from Unix) on any platform: the program works fine but the authors assume that you know what you're doing and so either don't document it at all or do so in a way which means nothing to most users. This is not a criticism (in the usually accepted sense of the word). It's a comment with no judgement intended of the author. -- Pete ==== +44 7711 501 757 When water freezes you can walk on it. That is what Christ did long ago in wintertime. - Science exam paper -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 22:53:22 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154776 for opro ; Fri, 31 Aug 101 22:53:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999290034:20:08428:60; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:33:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117437; 31 Aug 2001 20:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7VKjwW29294 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:45:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7VKjup29291 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:45:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15cuxJ-000PPk-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:31:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:38:35 GMT Message-Id: <154763@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RiScript 4.13 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I was thinking of some sort of automatic set up, so that everything went on without any need for you to issue commands by hand. As we discussed privately one way is to use SPrinter on the Acorn and ship a bit map across the network to the Mac for printing. The objection to that seems to be the size of the files unless you have Gigabit Ethernet. So I thought the idea of PS was to get over the size problem, ship PS over the net and then use Mac GhostScript, which naively I assumed would be well developed, or maybe some inherent PS support in Mac OS, like display PS? As you say there are programs for the Mac which can emulate PS - because a big problem for people with non-PS printers is the amount of PS images about. Also a few Epson inkjet printers offer PS emulation but as code that runs on your Mac or PC. Sounds like the Mac would offer hope to us redundant RISC OS programmers? (just like Acorn told us in 1995...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 22:53:29 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA154777 for opro ; Fri, 31 Aug 101 22:53:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 999291896:20:03171:60; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:04:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002976; 31 Aug 2001 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7VLITZ29384 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:18:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: omega.barnet.ac.uk: majordomo set sender to owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk using -f Received: from obelix.spectraweb.ch (obelix.plusnet.ch [194.158.230.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7VLIQp29381 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:18:26 +0100 Received: from janvredenburchsmile.ch (abo-mu-2-2-dialup-161.spectraweb.ch [194.230.204.161]) by obelix.spectraweb.ch (8.11.2/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id f7VL4LT13824 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:04:21 +0200 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:02:41 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Moving around To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4ab0b94d13david@pandda.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CIC member; Secretariaat St. Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 27 Aug, David Crofts wrote: > I really, really like Ovation Pro. snip some > I have one major frustration: > In Impression it was possible to move around a document by holding down > select on a document margin. > Ovation has the arrow foe the toolbar, but you have to deselect it to do > any editing. Please explain. The arrow on the toolbar, being the Select tool, is not deselected when editing text. Or do you mean that possibly selected text must first be de-selected before editing? That is only the case if you have 'Overtype' selected in the Choices menu (Iconbar>meuu>Choices). > I valued the opportunity to move quickly elsewhere, edit and move on again > seemlessly. > Is there any possibility of this being implemented in OvPro, please, > please!? Not being quite sure what you meant, having never used Impression, I did some trials. First on an empty document, then on a 127 page, multi-chapter OvPro document. And discovered the following, possibly not -yet- documented and/or discovered feature. Testing was done on OvPro 2.60 and 2.63. If you start Select-dragging on some text and then move the pointer to any of the four margins of the main frame, then move up or down or sidewys, at first within the margins and later anywhere in the OvPro window, you can move any amount of pages and or chapters up or down of a document. Even sideways scrolling is then possible if the window is not full width. Initially doing this starts marking the text. But once moving the pointer outside of the initial text frame where you started into any of the 4 margins of the main frame, this stops. And you can scroll. Depending on how far you drag the pointer to the OvPro window borders decides how fast the window scrolls. Having come to the point you want te edit, position the pointer there and click Select. And edit your text. Does this more or less meet your wishes? Now where does one add this info to the manual? JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch, CH - 6006 Luzern **new email address** >From 29/06/2001 email: janvredenburch@smile.ch .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message