From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 17:48:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147887 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 17:48:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986056198:10:08213:95; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:29:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007028; 31 Mar 2001 16:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VGSeS04800 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:28:40 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VGSc504797 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:28:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jO5j-0007VL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:19:08 +0100 Received: from useran16.uk.uudial.com (62.188.135.33) [62.188.135.33] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14jOEU-0003xA-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:28:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:02:36 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar again Message-ID: <4a63f14336pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <147880@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <147880@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <147880@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Sorry, I didn't make myself clear (not unusual). I put in the bar codes > >off a letter delivered here and off a prepaid envelope. Decoding both > >of these gave a mixture of 'bad 4 bar sequence' and 'bad checksum' > >errors. Generating bar-codes from these two addresses gave completely > >different bar-codes from the ones on the two envelopes. Someone else is > >having the same problems, too, so I think the problem must be somewhere > >in the applet. It's a lovely idea, but it doesn't seem to work, at > >least for me! > Scan me the bar codes if you like and I'll have a look. Sent by private e-mail; thanks for the continued interest. > > The case for the defence is that the applet was coded using PO > documentation, the errors raised above point out its correctness - if > that documentation says a particular bar code sequence is not allowed > then thats right. > I can think of various possibilities - the bar code system has been > extended, the bar codes on your letters are damaged or invalid, the bar > codes on your letters are not PO bar codes at all, or are from another > system. Beyond me, but if anyone can help I will be grateful! Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 17:48:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147889 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 17:48:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986066029:10:00773:71; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:13:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029929; 31 Mar 2001 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VJCbb05304 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:37 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VJCZ505301 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:36 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jQeP-0008Ll-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:03:05 +0100 Received: from userfx91.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.252) [62.188.28.252] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14jQn9-00016c-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:04:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Index generation Message-ID: <4a64076d9cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a62b1ea8aPaul@vigay.com> <4a6374a23cdavidb@argonet.co.uk> < In-Reply-To: <4a63c373c7Paul@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a63c373c7Paul@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > Basically, all I want to do is to go through the document/booklet, > highlighting various words in a different colour(style) (so I can easily > see which words are indexed) and then create an index to those words. > Two requirements are the ability to see which words are indexed and the > ability to re-edit the document with the words in situ - so if I insert a > page somewhere, I can re-index and all the words on subsequent pages will > be re-updated etc. > I'll perhaps give IdxPro another try. You may find the following Script useful - it deletes the tags and bookmarks that IdxPro uses. To use it save out the script (with Filetype OvpScrpt), place your cursor in the relevant document and then double click on the script. If you do not use this script then each run of Style->Index from the menu will create new IdxPro markers (ie duplicates). ************************************************************************* It goes without saying - treat with care as any work you have done manipulating the Index using the review window etc will be lost. ************************************************************************* This Script therefore allows you to wipe out the index and regenerate from the marked text. So to use IdxPro like IP index tool you could: 1. Mark text with style of your choosing 2. Select the IdxPro option Style->Index 3. Place the cursor in the right place and Type Index 4. If you need to make changes go back an remark the text and run the script to delete the IdxPro structures (note: the script does not delete te typed index just the info that was used to generate it). You can then rerun step 2. 5. If you reach step 5 then you must be happy with the index - any 'extras' you could then add using the Review Window in IdxPro Hope this helps David // Start of Script // Deletes IDXPro BookMarks int i; int count; int bm; string s; int it = 0x49445800; // create 'Bookmarks' button void main(void) { count = 0; bm = 1; i=0; while(bm) { bm=bmname(i++, s); if(mids(s,0,3)=="IDX") { bmdelete(bm); count = count + 1; // messagebox(mids(s,0,3)); i=0; } }; if(tagexists(currentfile(),it,0)==1) { tagwrites(currentfile(),it,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+1,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+2,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+3,""); tagwrites(currentfile(),it+4,""); tagwrite(currentfile(),it+5,0,0); tagwrite(currentfile(),it+6,0,0); } messagebox(itos(count)+" Bookmarks Deleted"); } // End of Script -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 17:48:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147892 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 17:48:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986066011:20:20405:72; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:13:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020257; 31 Mar 2001 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VJCWV05299 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:32 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VJCT505296 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14jQeG-0008Lh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:02:56 +0100 Received: from userfx91.uk.uudial.com (62.188.28.252) [62.188.28.252] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14jQmh-00016c-00; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:11:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:42:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Indexing using IdxPro Message-ID: <4a6405638fdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a6309253adavidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Colin Mackinlay wrote: > In on Thu 29 Mar, David Breakwell wrote: > > Do download the latest version from the OP resources site as this has > > some very significant performance tweaks. > Can't find it there - in fact othing on indexing at all. The site seems to be down at the moment but the URL you need is: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 17:48:43 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147893 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 17:48:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986075092:10:25743:72; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:44:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024848; 31 Mar 2001 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2VLgu007184 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:42:56 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2VLgr507181 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:42:53 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-84.access.ch [212.161.130.212]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03639 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:42:56 +0200 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:41:36 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar again To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a63f14336pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 31 Mar, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > In article <147880@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: snip You would not by chance be using the wrong barcode applet? There is one for England, and one for The Netherlands. The coding and decoding of the 2 applets is different. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 17:48:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147902 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 17:48:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986122296:20:10169:66; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:51:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008675; 1 Apr 2001 10:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f31Ano208993 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:49:50 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f31Anm508990 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:49:48 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14jfQc-000E2T-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:49:51 +0100 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:18:34 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough Message-ID: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvnP 2.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OvationPro 2.63 Reading through the buglist file, shouldn't there be v 1.11 of the Colour Supplement? Don't seem to be able to find it. Lockswitch module Whilst I can introduce a space on the button bar before the Lockswitch icons, it doesn't seem to save with the macros. Re-loading OP loses the gap. Any ideas? (Valid for OP 2.62 too) -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 23:06:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147953 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 23:06:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986236694:20:14828:69; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104069; 2 Apr 2001 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f32IVo213793 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:31:50 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f32IVl513789 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:31:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14k97G-000Hgv-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:31:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:13:38 GMT Message-Id: <147922@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar again X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Sent by private e-mail; thanks for the continued interest. One of those gives 'bad four bar code sequence', thats the one copied by hand. I think it can be explained away by either a copying error, or since the original is too poor to scan [1] it is perhaps too poor to eyeball too. The other gives a postcode which is sort of right ZZ instead of XX. Roger King also recently sent me an example in his case 32 became 12. Its hard to say, clearly a bug is going to result in small differences like this, but there also must be plenty of room for people keying data wrongly. It would be interesting if anyone has access to other PO bar code software to see if they get these examples right. If you do, drop me an email and I'll send you the rogue examples. I did try an example from my post, and it worked fine. [1] tempted to launch into seminar on how to scan poor source material in black and white. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 23:06:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147954 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 23:06:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986236645:10:11888:82; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:37:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115829; 2 Apr 2001 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f32IVmk13792 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:31:48 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f32IVk513785 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:31:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14k97E-000Hgv-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:31:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:10:23 GMT Message-Id: <147920@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvnP 2.63 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >OvationPro 2.63 >Reading through the buglist file, shouldn't there be v 1.11 of the Colour >Supplement? Don't seem to be able to find it. Err oops. I've got to update the web site tonight, I'll upload it in the stand alone applets section and I'll update the ypgrade archive. >Lockswitch module >Whilst I can introduce a space on the button bar before the Lockswitch >icons, it doesn't seem to save with the macros. Re-loading OP loses the >gap. Any ideas? (Valid for OP 2.62 too) Tough luck. The applet redefines the buttons, and in doing so clobbers any gap that has been set up. Fixes... either delete the code in the applet setting up the buttons, or change it by hand to insert a gap. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 23:06:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147956 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 23:06:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986246638:10:24233:77; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:23:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023988; 2 Apr 2001 21:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f32LNLk14485 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:23:21 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f32LNJ514482 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:23:19 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14kBnG-000DK1-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:23:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:24:20 +0100 Subject: Re: OvPro Alternative resources Message-ID: <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a6510601cdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4a6510601cdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Apr, Dave Symes wrote: > Anyone know if the Alternative OVPro resources site is still in action as > I've not been able to connect to it for ages. > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > Cheers > Dave S Doesn't seem to work for me. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 23:06:25 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147958 for opro ; Mon, 02 Apr 101 23:06:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986242940:20:15581:66; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:22:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015033; 2 Apr 2001 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f32KLQh14229 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:21:26 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [195.147.246.106]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f32KLO514226 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:21:24 +0100 Received: from p4es01a03.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.161.79] helo=loopback) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14kAnk-0003Mp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:19:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:18:39 +0100 Subject: OvPro Alternative resources Message-ID: <4a6510601cdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anyone know if the Alternative OVPro resources site is still in action as I've not been able to connect to it for ages. http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 02:02:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147974 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 02:02:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986251630:20:26514:66; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:47:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025813; 2 Apr 2001 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f32MkC414810 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:46:12 +0100 Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f32Mk9514807 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:46:09 +0100 Received: from tc-1-2-043.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.9.43] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14kD5E-0004Qx-00 for ; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 07:46:01 +0900 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 07:46:51 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: POBar again To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <147922@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 02 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > > [1] tempted to launch into seminar on how to scan poor source material in > black and white. > We're waiting, pencils poised :-) > > David Pilling > Ian P. -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 14:34:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147983 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 14:34:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986265091:20:06175:66; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:31:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120022; 3 Apr 2001 2:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f332UeY15529 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:30:40 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f332Ub515526 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:30:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kGae-000JDr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:30:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 03:30:48 GMT Message-Id: <147980@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvnP 2.63 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Sorry no web site update. It'll be Tuesday now... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 14:34:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA147985 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 14:34:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986265091:20:06194:67; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:31:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005306; 3 Apr 2001 2:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f332UZj15524 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:30:35 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f332UX515521 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:30:33 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kGaZ-000JDr-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:30:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:03:11 GMT Message-Id: <147975@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar again X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >We're waiting, pencils poised :-) Black and white scanning is all about sticking the threshold setting between the two brightness levels you're trying to scan. On TWAIN 2 drivers you can display the input brightness distribution and perhaps actually see the two levels. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 21:22:02 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148007 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 21:21:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986319363:20:11799:66; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:36:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011354; 3 Apr 2001 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f33HYYs17993 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:34:34 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f33FwX517712 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:58:33 +0100 Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.192.126]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GB84DN02.8WK for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:58:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:58:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Subject: 1200 DPI To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg, Nederland X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, It is a few weeks now that we have got a problem with our printing-company and imagesetter. We have a postcriptfile with a screen of 150 LPI. The films give a result of nearby 100 LPI. In the file we can read the line: 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen So we assumed the imagesetter overruled our document. The printingcompany says: "Nothing has changed in our configurations. But when we send your file to the imagesetter we see on screen the instruction '1200 DPI'. And because it does not recognise 1200 DPI and 150 LPI the output is 1200 DPI and 100 LPI. So you have to give in 2400 DPI and 150 LPI." I remember from Impression giving in the DPI, but not from Ovation. I don't think something changed in our configurations. So, perhaps somebody knows what is happening here? Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Kabelkrant Kubus / Tel. 0486 463553 Runstraat 27b Schaijk / Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 23:03:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148019 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 23:03:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986329426:20:29279:67; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:23:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124409; 3 Apr 2001 20:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f33KM6t18475 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:22:06 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f33KM4518472 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:22:04 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (dialup051.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.213]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09593 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:18:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:21:56 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <288394654a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f33KM5518473 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hello, > > It is a few weeks now that we have got a problem with our > printing-company and imagesetter. > We have a postcriptfile with a screen of 150 LPI. The films > give a result of nearby 100 LPI. In the file we can read the > line: > 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen > So we assumed the imagesetter overruled our document. > > The printingcompany says: "Nothing has changed in our configurations. > But when we send your file to the imagesetter we see on screen > the instruction '1200 DPI'. And because it does not recognise > 1200 DPI and 150 LPI the output is 1200 DPI and 100 LPI. So you > have to give in 2400 DPI and 150 LPI." > > I remember from Impression giving in the DPI, but not from > Ovation. I don't think something changed in our configurations. > > So, perhaps somebody knows what is happening here? > As far as I know the dpi is nearly always determined by the imagesetter software, not by the PostScript. Although Impression do Have you searched the PostScript file for '1200 DPI'? Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 23:03:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148022 for opro ; Tue, 03 Apr 101 23:03:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986330877:20:15752:68; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:47:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116423; 3 Apr 2001 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f33Kkxd18608 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:46:59 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f33Kkp518605 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:46:52 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust134.tnt43.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.117.4.134] with SMTP for id WAA14237 (8.8.8/1.3); Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:46:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004c01c0bc7f$6f7793f0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:46:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 03 Apr, Arnold from Tekst & Uitleg wrote: ----- Original Message ----- > It is a few weeks now that we have got a problem with our > printing-company and imagesetter. > We have a postcriptfile with a screen of 150 LPI. The films > give a result of nearby 100 LPI. In the file we can read the > line: > 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen > So we assumed the imagesetter overruled our document. As far as I know 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen is an Impression setting in the 'PostScript screen' option (File --> Print --> Typesetting) When I switch it on, I see 150 45 {Spot1} setscreen as command in the PostScript output. Years ago I have used this option or PostScript screen off succesfully and as you say, overruled by the settings of the imagesetter. Months ago I tried this setscreen command with !RiScript Pro without any complaint. > The printingcompany says: "Nothing has changed in our configurations. > But when we send your file to the imagesetter we see on screen > the instruction '1200 DPI'. And because it does not recognise > 1200 DPI and 150 LPI the output is 1200 DPI and 100 LPI. So you > have to give in 2400 DPI and 150 LPI." > > I remember from Impression giving in the DPI, but not from > Ovation. I don't think something changed in our configurations. > > So, perhaps somebody knows what is happening here? Ovation Pro is default configured with the screentype/screen 150 45 {Dot} setscreen switched on. In Ovation Pro these types 'behave' correct: (File --> Print setup --> Separations --> Screen) 150 45 {Line} setscreen 150 45 {Square} setscreen 150 45 {Ellipse} setscreen 150 45 {Circle} setscreen and of course, switched off. but only this option: 150 45 {Dot} setscreen produces a PostScript output file, which isn't accepted by RiScript Pro: "Message from DSCript; Error:Rangecheck; Offending command -setscreen- Acrobat 3.02 and my printer -600 DPI- don't complain. I also tried to apply that screen to a single graphic window, with the screen setting for the whole document off. The error message occurred again: Riscript throws back "error: rangecheck: OffendingCommand; -setscreen-" followed by: stack -savelevel- savelevel- -1.0000000002075 changing the 2 into 3 in the line /Dot{180 mul cos exch 180 mul cos add 2 div}def or changing the command 150 45 {Dot} setscreen into %%150 45 {Dot} setscreen (setting it off) 'solved' the problem, meaning no error messages in !RiScript Pro. This wasn't the currently newest version. Beware, changing the 2 into 3 was only an experiment, I tried with the described result. I have reported this to David Pilling. His guess was "I would say the trouble is that the expression is returning a value slightly bigger than 1.0 - it should be between 1.0 and -1.0." In that time someone with a newer version of !RiScript Pro seemed to have stated, that the problem was solved. As if it had been a !RiScript Pro error. Maybe it is an Ovation Pro error. I don't know if your 1200DPI problem is related to my described {Dot} screen problem. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 13:22:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148035 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 13:22:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986348956:10:08104:72; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 01:49:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119793; 4 Apr 2001 1:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f341mCA19443 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f341m9519439 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kcP6-0008ME-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:48:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 01:32:10 GMT Message-Id: <148025@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >the instruction '1200 DPI' I'd guess it should be easy enough to ask what that command is, and see if/where it is in the original PS file. Then discover the source. I don't believe Ovation Pro adds such a command. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 13:22:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148036 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 13:22:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986349355:20:09933:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 01:55:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008742; 4 Apr 2001 1:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f341mAI19441 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:10 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f341m8519435 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kcP4-0008ME-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:48:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 01:27:36 GMT Message-Id: <148023@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >150 45 {Dot} setscreen >produces a PostScript output file, which isn't accepted by RiScript Pro: >"Message from DSCript; Error:Rangecheck; Offending command -setscreen- What I also pointed out was that this code is taken from the Adobe Red Post Script book. >In that time someone with a newer version of !RiScript Pro seemed to have >stated, that the problem was solved. As if it had been a !RiScript Pro error. 'seemed'? does that imply the problem has come back? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 13:22:32 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148037 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 13:22:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986350241:20:16441:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:10:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015937; 4 Apr 2001 2:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f341mIA19448 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:18 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f341mG519445 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:48:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kcPD-0008ME-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:48:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:45:19 GMT Message-Id: <148033@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvnP 2.63 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've now done the web site update. As requested the 2.63 upgrade archive now includes the latest colour supplement applet. In addition the applets page has the latest versions of the Colour Supplement, Colour Palette, EPS and Fill applets (the last 3 are in the 2.63 upgrade archive). The 2.63 release notes advertisted Colour Suppplement 1.11, however since then there has been another bug fix. So what is up there now is 1.12 which has this gem... DP 330 When a screen is set up for an individual picture the black screen angle is used for all plates when printing separations. Fixed. Colour Supplement applet 1.12 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 13:22:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148040 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 13:22:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986353315:20:26792:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 03:01:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122411; 4 Apr 2001 3:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3431WB19826 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 04:01:32 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3431U519823 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 04:01:30 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14kdOh-0003DN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 03:51:51 +0100 Received: from usercp23.uk.uudial.com (62.188.156.52) [62.188.156.52] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 14k8hU-00009I-00; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:05:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:53:38 +0100 Subject: POBar again Message-ID: <4a6484c1c6pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This may appear more than once, as there has been a mail server failure at Argo, and I don't know what I have been able to send :-( In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Sat 31 Mar, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > > In article <147880@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > > wrote: > snip > You would not by chance be using the wrong barcode applet? > There is one for England, and one for The Netherlands. > The coding and decoding of the 2 applets is different. Been to check, and it says it's the right one for the UK! Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 13:22:59 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148043 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 13:22:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986383156:20:21065:67; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:19:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020760; 4 Apr 2001 11:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34BI5021157 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:18:05 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34BI2521154 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:18:02 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust129.tnt41.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.117.0.129] with SMTP for id NAA29000 (8.8.8/1.3); Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:18:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001601c0bcf9$20d01400$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <148023@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:18:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 04 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > >150 45 {Dot} setscreen > >produces a PostScript output file, which isn't accepted by RiScript Pro: > >"Message from DSCript; Error:Rangecheck; Offending command -setscreen- > > What I also pointed out was that this code is taken from the Adobe Red Post > Script book. Correct. It would have been better, if I had quoted that too. Sorry. > > >In that time someone with a newer version of !RiScript Pro seemed to have > >stated, that the problem was solved. As if it had been a !RiScript Pro error. > > 'seemed'? does that imply the problem has come back? > You yourself wrote to me: "I know someone said this, but I seemed to think someone else disagreed." I don't have the newest version of !RiScript Pro or access to it. Hence I can't try myself. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 14:54:00 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148060 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 14:53:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986388386:20:06533:69; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:46:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120786; 4 Apr 2001 12:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34CjZt22612 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:45:35 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34CjW522548 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:45:32 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kmfG-0007dF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:45:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:43:23 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Print failure Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm trying to print a fairly simple poster containing text in a single font (Arizona) and one logo (Drawfile). The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. I have 34 Megs of RAM with a minimum font cache of 1024k (with no max). Anyone know what the problem might be? -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 17:16:57 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148064 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 17:16:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986392408:10:27999:69; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:53:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026964; 4 Apr 2001 13:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34DpvO23550 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:51:57 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34ANv520918 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:23:57 +0100 Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.192.19]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GB9JJT04.CBH for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:23:53 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:20:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Subject: Re: 1200 DPI To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <288394654a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg, Nederland X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 03 Apr, Mike Williams wrote: > In message you wrote: > > As far as I know the dpi is nearly always determined by the imagesetter > software, not by the PostScript. > Have you searched the PostScript file for '1200 DPI'? Yes, I did, but didn't find anything. So I did a test with Impression setting 2400 DPI and 1200 DPI but there did not seem to be a difference in the two files. So I believe you are right that the DPI is determined by the imagesetter. In the meantime we got this proved today. The printing-company send the same file to a collegue where it came out the right way. So they admitted it had to do something with their imagesetter. Thanks for the answers, others to, Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Kabelkrant Kubus / Tel. 0486 463553 Runstraat 27b Schaijk / Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 17:16:58 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148065 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 17:16:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986400097:20:07050:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:01:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006814; 4 Apr 2001 16:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34G0Mc23991 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:00:22 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34G0K523988 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:00:20 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14kphk-0000J7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:00:20 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:38:39 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:39:30 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tekst & Uitleg wrote: > On Tue 03 Apr, Mike Williams wrote: > > In message you wrote: > > > > As far as I know the dpi is nearly always determined by the imagesetter > > software, not by the PostScript. > > > Have you searched the PostScript file for '1200 DPI'? > > Yes, I did, but didn't find anything. So I did a test with Impression > setting 2400 DPI and 1200 DPI but there did not seem to be a > difference in the two files. So I believe you are right that the > DPI is determined by the imagesetter. > > In the meantime we got this proved today. The printing-company > send the same file to a collegue where it came out the right way. So > they admitted it had to do something with their imagesetter. > Yes - as far as I know, DPI can only refer to two things (a) the resolution of the target output device (imagesetter) or (b) the resolution of any bitmap images embedded in the postscript. Neither should be of relevance to the postscript and I don't see why DPI should anywhere be specified in the postscript stream. Screensettings are, as you have confirmed, frequently over-ridden by the RIP. One area I'm not sure about is whether the routine generating the postscript uses information about the target output device to create the internal matrix used to specify placement of objects. My impression is that the workflows you see around the place in printers do a lot more messing around with the postscript than they used to. More and more work that used to be handled at the prepress stage is now often left to the RIP. Such things as CMYK conversion, downsampling of images, trapping, colour separation - all these may be left to the RIP. As a consequence, it's possible for surprises to arise at the very last stage. As a coda (I was about to say 'postscript') as more printers experiment with 'direct to plate', even film seps are skipped, imposition is handled automatically by software, and some problems may only be visible when the paper goes through the press. Not everyone seems to have caught up with the new kinds of proofing and preflight checking which are now becoming necessary. In some ways, though, it makes life easier for those of us working on Risc OS. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 18:51:32 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148076 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 18:51:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986404234:20:18893:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:10:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114169; 4 Apr 2001 17:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34H9QB24320 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:09:26 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34H9O524317 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:09:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14kqdE-0004Qj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:59:44 +0100 Received: from [62.188.131.25] (helo=62.188.131.25) by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #4) id 14kqmb-0006cL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:09:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:06:11 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar again Message-ID: <4a66066d69pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <147922@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <147922@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <147922@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Sent by private e-mail; thanks for the continued interest. > One of those gives 'bad four bar code sequence', thats the one copied by > hand. I think it can be explained away by either a copying error, or > since the original is too poor to scan [1] it is perhaps too poor to > eyeball too. > The other gives a postcode which is sort of right ZZ instead of XX. > Roger King also recently sent me an example in his case 32 became 12. > Its hard to say, clearly a bug is going to result in small differences > like this, but there also must be plenty of room for people keying data > wrongly. > It would be interesting if anyone has access to other PO bar code > software to see if they get these examples right. If you do, drop me an > email and I'll send you the rogue examples. > I did try an example from my post, and it worked fine. Thanks again, and I'll be interested to hear if anyone has nay more ideas. In the meanwhile, is it 'safe' for me to put bar-codes on my outgoing correspondence? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 18:51:33 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148077 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 18:51:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986400909:10:10930:147; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:15:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012596; 4 Apr 2001 16:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34GEjF24109 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:14:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34GEh524106 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:14:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kpvi-0005V1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:14:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:56:10 GMT Message-Id: <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message >about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. Dud font? After a not very helpful answer, a similar solution, convert the problem text into paths (in Draw). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 4 22:07:39 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148087 for opro ; Wed, 04 Apr 101 22:07:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986416889:10:17379:67; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:41:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017115; 4 Apr 2001 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34Kc9p24881 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:38:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34Kc7524878 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:38:07 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14ku2c-00048g-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:38:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:31:46 +0100 Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a6613c185Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004c01c0bc7f$6f7793f0$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <004c01c0bc7f$6f7793f0$4d01a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Apr, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > Ovation Pro is default configured with the screentype/screen > 150 45 {Dot} setscreen switched on. I've also found that with my Kyocera 1750 laser printer, presence of that command causes a very pale grey shading to be applied to the entire printed page whereas turning the screen option off results in perfect output. I don't understand why though. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 01:47:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148094 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 01:47:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986422998:20:28008:72; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:23:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108458; 4 Apr 2001 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34MMAl25267 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:22:10 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.72]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34MM8525264 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:22:08 +0100 Received: from ppp-4-160.5800-11.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.181.160] helo=ghc) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 14kven-000NTQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:21:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:18:22 +0100 Subject: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From some of the recent comments regarding PostScript files, it seems to me that many people are misunderstanding the principals of the PostScript language. The whole point of PostScript is portability. It allows the layout of a page to be 'described' in such a way, that it should be independent of any characteristics or features of any particular device. The idea is that the device used to render the page will do so according to its own capabilities and configurations. For example, a single PostScript file can be sent to 3 different devices, let's say a 300dpi mono laser printer, a 1200dpi colour laser printer, and a 3600dpi imagesetter. Each device should interpret the same data in the file and render the page in its own particular way. The colour printer could render say a red rectangle on the page, but the 300dpi mono printer would represent it as a halftone screen. Whereas the imagesetter may be set to separate the red rectangle on to the magenta and yellow plates. Problems can arise when the PostScript contains code that is specific to a particular device. If this PostScript file is then sent to a device that doesn't recognise that code or interprets it as being unacceptable then you may find that the results are not what you expected. Some devices may be 'clever' and detect that the commands are not correct for it and ignore them completely, thereby giving the impression that the device will always override the settings. Other devices may just produce an error. The important part, is that your PostScript should not contain code that makes assumptions about the features of the device, unless you are certain that the receiving device has those features and the code contains the correct commands to utilise them. So while it is obvious to most people that setting the dpi resolution from within the PostScript file, or perhaps enabling duplexing, or stapling options, is going to make that PostScript file 'device dependent' (specific to the machines features) what many people don't realise is that so does setting halftone screens. A final point I would like to emphasize is that the 'features' of a PostScript device are controlled via PostScript. So although it may appear that an imagesetter is controlled through its own software, the software will use PostScript commands to alter the setting. If these commands are present in your file they will alter the settings, unless of course they are stripped out first either by the operator or automatically by software. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 01:47:14 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148096 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 01:47:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986426604:20:21710:66; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:23:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021615; 4 Apr 2001 23:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f34NMkx25517 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:22:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34NMi525514 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:22:44 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kwbu-000Eie-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:22:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:03:42 +0100 Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a662728beJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 04 Apr, Gavin Crawford wrote: > From some of the recent comments regarding PostScript files, it seems > to me that many people are misunderstanding the principals of the > PostScript language. > The important part, is that your PostScript should not contain code that > makes assumptions about the features of the device, unless you are > certain that the receiving device has those features and the code > contains the correct commands to utilise them. > So while it is obvious to most people that setting the dpi resolution > from within the PostScript file, or perhaps enabling duplexing, or > stapling options, is going to make that PostScript file 'device > dependent' (specific to the machines features) what many people don't > realise is that so does setting halftone screens. In my case, the "problem" is that Ovation Pro defaults to generating the setscreen command we've been talking about. Personally I've never seen anything that adequately explains what that command does far less what the subtle differences between one or more flavours of it actually are. I certainly don't understand why my printer will interpret that command and place background shading on the entire printable area of a page especially as that page doesn't contain any pictures at all. I think you're saying that screen settings are only applicable to devices that understand the concept, but in my case a mono laser printer probably should do if it has to present a colour picture in halftoning... or am I talking rubbish? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 13:18:00 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148112 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 13:17:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986437783:10:01513:69; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:29:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000263; 5 Apr 2001 2:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f352S5s26055 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 03:28:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f352S3526052 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 03:28:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14kzVF-0002Uw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 02:28:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:52:35 GMT Message-Id: <148098@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In my case, the "problem" is that Ovation Pro defaults to generating the >setscreen command we've been talking about. It has been an unhappy episode, changing defaults, buttons that show on when they mean off. But from recent versions you should be able to set the default you want (save default document) and forget about it. >> 150 45 {Dot} setscreen switched on. >I've also found that with my Kyocera 1750 laser printer, presence of that >command Just that one, or any screen? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 17:29:52 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148130 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 17:29:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986485194:10:06467:69; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:39:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100906; 5 Apr 2001 15:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35FcUi28074 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:38:30 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35FcS528071 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:38:28 +0100 Received: from cbslontd.demon.co.uk ([158.152.130.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lBq6-00022T-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:38:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David J Fairweather To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:38:03 +0100 Subject: Re: OvPro Alternative resources Message-ID: <4a668231d6davef@cbslontd.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4a6510601cdfs@ukgateway.net> <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Apr, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > On 02 Apr, Dave Symes wrote: > > Anyone know if the Alternative OVPro resources site is still in action as > > I've not been able to connect to it for ages. > > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > > Cheers > > Dave S > Doesn't seem to work for me. Works fine for me - 4.30pm Thursday 5th Dave F -- David J Fairweather - Director of Operations, Europe. davef@cbslontd.demon.co.uk Snail to: CBS News 68 Knightsbridge Bowater House (0171-887-3000) London SW1X 7LL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are personal and do not represent the views or opinions of Viacom, CBS News or any other Division of CBS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 21:47:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148148 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 21:47:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986492788:20:14724:66; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:46:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117208; 5 Apr 2001 17:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35HhTc28458 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:43:29 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35HhR528455 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:43:27 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lDn8-000HYX-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:43:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:30:45 +0100 Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a668c82f0Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148098@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <148098@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >> 150 45 {Dot} setscreen switched on. > >I've also found that with my Kyocera 1750 laser printer, presence of > >that command > Just that one, or any screen? I've not tried any others; I only tried that one in the sense that I got it without having selected it in the first place. if I were to try other settings would it be the angles or the shape that you'd be interested in me trying, or variants on both? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 21:47:22 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148151 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 21:47:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986495184:20:11469:72; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:26:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011185; 5 Apr 2001 18:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35IPrM28600 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:25:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35IPp528597 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:25:51 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14lES9-0006jg-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:25:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:22:42 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure Message-ID: References: <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In missive <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) expounded: > >The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message > >about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. > > Dud font? I get the same problem if I change the fonts to Trinity and Homerton. > After a not very helpful answer, a similar solution, convert the > problem text into paths (in Draw). I tried starting again with a blank sheet and not reverting to rtf import this time! This appeared to work - except that the frame borders are only printed out horizontally at the best (700dpi) resolution. If I revert to 360 dpi I get the verticals as well! How weird is that? So now, to get reasonable quality I'm printing out the frame borders at 360dpi and then changing up to 700 dpi to print out the internal bits. My printer is a Canon 6100 with Explan's driver. -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 21:47:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148152 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 21:47:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986502708:20:01579:67; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:31:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125965; 5 Apr 2001 20:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35KV2228989 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:31:02 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35KV0528986 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:31:00 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-12.access.ch [212.161.128.76]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02394 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:31:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:22:48 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: OvPro Alternative resources To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 02 Apr, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > On 02 Apr, Dave Symes wrote: > > Anyone know if the Alternative OVPro resources site is still in action as > > I've not been able to connect to it for ages. > > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > > > Cheers > > Dave S > > Doesn't seem to work for me. I had repeated immediate connection within seconds using the above link. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 23:02:14 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148159 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 23:02:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986505313:10:26402:67; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:15:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101464; 5 Apr 2001 21:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35LDum29198 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:13:56 +0100 Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f35LDs529195 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:13:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 20587 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 21:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.184) by warrior with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 21:13:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:51:41 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: 1200 DPI To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 04 Apr, Gavin Crawford wrote: > So while it is obvious to most people that setting the dpi resolution from > within the PostScript file, or perhaps enabling duplexing, or stapling > options, is going to make that PostScript file 'device dependent' (specific > to the machines features) what many people don't realise is that so does > setting halftone screens. > Surely half-tone screens *should* be settable within Postscript as the deciding factor for the appropriate halftone screen is the printing process *not* the imagesetter (paper surface is the primary factor I think). Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 23:02:15 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148160 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 23:02:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986506512:20:23386:70; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:35:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106553; 5 Apr 2001 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35LYXu29378 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:34:33 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35LYV529375 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:34:31 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-57.access.ch [212.161.128.121]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA06289 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:34:32 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:26:26 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Print failure To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The question is: where is the problem? On Thu 05 Apr, Andy McMullon wrote: > In missive <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) expounded: > > > >The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message > > >about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. > > > > Dud font? No, I do not think so. A common experience when using !FontView and you view too many fonts in too short a time. > > I get the same problem if I change the fonts to Trinity and Homerton. Is of no importance. The font area is too full, so the problem remains. Sometimes waiting a few minutes helps, otherwise delete the font area by dragging the the 'Font cache' in the Tasks window down to zero and then back up again to a decent size (I suggest at least 1000K) > > > After a not very helpful answer, a similar solution, convert the > > problem text into paths (in Draw). > snip First: check that you have enough memory reserved for fonts. If the problem remains, then: Try to 'print to file' first: (Iconbar>Printers>Printercontrol>Connection..., select File!). Resulting most probably in a file named 'Printout'. Then reset to print to 'Parallel' (or 'Direct drive' if you have a LBP4 direct drive laser printer) and drag the 'Printout' file to 'Printers' on the icon bar. At present I never had this problem with OvPro but do have it with Fireworkz when having to print 60+pages as double-sided document. I now manage using the routine stated above. I do not know where the problem lies. It could possibly be because of my printer set up (Computer Concepts turbo and direct drive software), or me not using the latest Printer's version (I have v1.62, not sure where to find v1.64), or maybe a combination of things. Including bugs somewhere. But where? If the 'Printing-to-file' routine des not work, send me directly a copy of your file. I'll then test it out on a Canon 7100. And let you know. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 5 23:02:21 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148161 for opro ; Thu, 05 Apr 101 23:02:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986505321:10:26793:66; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:15:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101627; 5 Apr 2001 21:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35LE0Z29202 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:14:00 +0100 Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f35LDw529199 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:13:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 20664 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 21:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.20.184) by warrior with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 21:13:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:43:05 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Print failure To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 05 Apr, Andy McMullon wrote: > In missive <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) expounded: > > > >The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message > > >about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. > > > > Dud font? > > I get the same problem if I change the fonts to Trinity and Homerton. > > > After a not very helpful answer, a similar solution, convert the > > problem text into paths (in Draw). > > I tried starting again with a blank sheet and not reverting to rtf > import this time! > > This appeared to work - except that the frame borders are only printed > out horizontally at the best (700dpi) resolution. If I revert to 360 > dpi I get the verticals as well! How weird is that? So now, to get > reasonable quality I'm printing out the frame borders at 360dpi and > then changing up to 700 dpi to print out the internal bits. > > My printer is a Canon 6100 with Explan's driver. > What is the frame thickness? If set to Thin I think it will be one dot on the printer - maybe the printer has different horizontal and vertical resolutions at the top of the range (360x720 for example) so the horizontal lines are the same thickness as at 360x360 but the verticals are half as thick and not visible? or are positioned "between" the dots of the printer at the higher resolution? I have known Thin or hairlines which printed fine on a 300dpi laser disappearing at 1270dpi on an imagesetter. Anthony Hilton -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148167 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986508046:10:00054:69; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:00:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107181; 5 Apr 2001 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35Lxur29553 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:59:56 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35Lxr529550 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:59:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lHnI-000D40-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:59:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:00:53 GMT Message-Id: <148157@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1200 DPI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've not tried any others; I only tried that one in the sense that I got >it without having selected it in the first place. if I were to try other >settings would it be the angles or the shape that you'd be interested in >me trying, or variants on both? Oh just a different spot name, just in case your printer suffers from disliking the 'Dot' one like RiscScript is alleged to. To put it another way if it goes wrong with a different spot, then its a different problem to the RiscScript thing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148168 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986508030:20:17801:66; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:00:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017449; 5 Apr 2001 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35LxrX29548 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:59:53 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35Lxp529545 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:59:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lHnG-000D40-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:59:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:58:11 GMT Message-Id: <148155@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I tried starting again with a blank sheet and not reverting to rtf >import this time! >This appeared to work RTF import can produce zero height text. I wonder if that was it. Save as DDL and eyeball may let you locate it. > - except that the frame borders are only printed >out horizontally at the best (700dpi) resolution. If I revert to 360 >dpi I get the verticals as well! There are hints that very high resolution RISC OS raster printing goes wrong. This is not an OPro problem (I hasten to reassure myself). One suggestion is to remove the ArtWorks applet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148170 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986508044:20:18706:66; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:00:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116101; 5 Apr 2001 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35M0LY29575 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:00:21 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35M0G529571 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:00:16 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14lHnd-0002qx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:00:18 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:42:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:43:47 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Andy McMullon wrote: > In missive <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) expounded: > > > >The print fails about 3/4 of the way through with an error message > > >about the area of memory being reserved for fonts being full. > > > > Dud font? > > I get the same problem if I change the fonts to Trinity and Homerton. > > > After a not very helpful answer, a similar solution, convert the > > problem text into paths (in Draw). > > I tried starting again with a blank sheet and not reverting to rtf > import this time! > > This appeared to work - except that the frame borders are only printed > out horizontally at the best (700dpi) resolution. If I revert to 360 > dpi I get the verticals as well! How weird is that? So now, to get > reasonable quality I'm printing out the frame borders at 360dpi and > then changing up to 700 dpi to print out the internal bits. > > My printer is a Canon 6100 with Explan's driver. > Is the thickness of your frame borders by any chance set to 'thin'? This is always to be avoided because 'thin' means the thinnest line which can be resolved on the output device. If you have a high res output device, the line can disappear. An inkjet printer may have different vertical and horiz resolutions. Just a thought, David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:56 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148171 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986516566:10:03709:68; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:22:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106100; 6 Apr 2001 0:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f360M6s30322 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:22:06 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f360M3530315 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:22:04 +0100 Received: from modem-26.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.32.26] helo=ghc) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14lK0s-0007gz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:22:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:29:57 +0100 Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a66ad65ffgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 04 Apr, Gavin Crawford wrote: >> So while it is obvious to most people that setting the dpi resolution >> from within the PostScript file, or perhaps enabling duplexing, or >> stapling options, is going to make that PostScript file 'device >> dependent' (specific to the machines features) what many people don't >> realise is that so does setting halftone screens. > Surely half-tone screens *should* be settable within Postscript as the > deciding factor for the appropriate halftone screen is the printing > process *not* the imagesetter (paper surface is the primary factor I > think). I'm not saying that the halftone settings should not be set in the PostScript, what I am saying is that people should be aware that by doing so they make the PostScript file 'device dependent'. The Halftone screen settings determine how the device should render the page[1]. If the settings are 'outside' the device's accepted parameters then you wont get the results you expected. Which was the situation that started this thread. i.e the imagesetter was operating at 1200dpi and changed from the requested 150lpi to a 'safer' working parameter of around 100lpi. So the setting should only be in the PostScript if you _KNOW_ they are correct for the device. As usual the best advice is talk to the device operator before you make any costly mistakes. [1] Not all PostScript devices use Halftone screening effects. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:56 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148172 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986508556:20:07918:68; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:09:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007874; 5 Apr 2001 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f35M8xW29732 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:08:59 +0100 Received: from madhatter.navaho.net (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35M8v529729 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:08:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by madhatter.navaho.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14lHmc-0004Fr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:59:15 +0100 Received: from [62.188.151.128] (helo=62.188.151.128) by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #4) id 14lHw2-0004xo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:08:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Ward To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:58:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Print failure Message-ID: <4a66948818johnward@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <148062@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Andy McMullon wrote: > I tried starting again with a blank sheet and not reverting to rtf > import this time! > > This appeared to work - except that the frame borders are only printed > out horizontally at the best (700dpi) resolution. If I revert to 360 > dpi I get the verticals as well! How weird is that? It suggests that the line width might be that undefined "thin" size -- an old problem with !Draw's default line width that seems to pop up elsewhere when Draw objects are used. It is worth checking those objects' line widths and changing them to 0.25pt or 0.5pt if they are "thin" lines. This ought to solve the printing problem. -- John M Ward : ZFC B and a member of Convergence International --> Helping to crack RC5-64 with an Acorn RiscPC 600/SA -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 01:51:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148173 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 01:51:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986516566:10:03802:66; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:22:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106093; 6 Apr 2001 0:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f360M9d30323 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:22:09 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f360M5530319 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:22:05 +0100 Received: from modem-26.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.32.26] helo=ghc) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14lK0u-0007gz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:22:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:10:06 +0100 Subject: Re: 1200 DPI Message-ID: <4a66b112bfgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a662728beJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4a662301f4gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4a662728beJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a662728beJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In my case, the "problem" is that Ovation Pro defaults to generating > the setscreen command we've been talking about. Personally I've never > seen anything that adequately explains what that command does far less > what the subtle differences between one or more flavours of it actually > are. For an full explanation you could refer to the PostScript Language Reference Manual by Adobe Systems Inc. (published by Addison-Wesley Publishing Company). The third edition is available in PDF format from: http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/technotes/postscript.html > I think you're saying that screen settings are only applicable to > devices that understand the concept, Yes > but in my case a mono laser printer probably should do if it has to > present a colour picture in halftoning. Yes it should, but if the settings are too high for it, which is possible at 150lpi, then this may be the cause of your problem. If you have the Windows or Mac drivers for it you may be able to get the information from them. One way is to install the driver on a Windows machine, set the available settings and print to file. Load the file into a text editor find the PS commands that control the halftones. The other way is to look on the driver disc and see if you can see a file that ends with a .PPD file extension. This is the PostScript Printer Description file and will contain all the code to control the device. Load it into a text editor and search for 'screen' when you find the required code you could then hack the Opro code in !ColSupp. > ... or am I talking rubbish? The question is... am I :) -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 13:50:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148180 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 13:50:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986518596:20:25640:66; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:56:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123885; 6 Apr 2001 0:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f360sgM30582 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:54:42 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f360sd530577 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:54:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lKWR-000P1d-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:54:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:53:54 GMT Message-Id: <148177@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Lock to line space grid X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Impression has a feature called "Lock to line space grid" which lines up >text in columns next to each other. Has Ov Pro got such a feature and if >so how do you implement it? Yes there is such a feature. The 'base line grid'. You set this up using document preferences. You lock text to it by selecting 'lock to grid' on the Format window. Finally there is a view option that lets you see it. Please could you post to the list from the address you're subscribed with... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 13:50:17 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148181 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 13:50:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986518601:20:26022:67; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:56:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123886; 6 Apr 2001 0:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f360seA30581 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:54:40 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f35Mu8530093 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:56:08 +0100 Received: from localhost ([213.104.88.132]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010405225611.HFRE285.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:56:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kipppers To: Ov Pro Mail List Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:55:38 +0100 Subject: Lock to line space grid Message-ID: <4a66aa41bekippers@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Impression has a feature called "Lock to line space grid" which lines up text in columns next to each other. Has Ov Pro got such a feature and if so how do you implement it? If not is there any way of achieving the same effect? -- ____ _ _____ | _ \(_)/ ___) | |_) | | / | __// | \___ |_|(___/ \_____) Paul Cakebread E-mail kippers@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 13:50:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148183 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 13:50:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986557103:20:12814:66; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:38:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012569; 6 Apr 2001 11:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36BZOF32361 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36BZL532358 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:21 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14lUWS-0000jT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:35:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:26:07 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure Message-ID: <28f7ee664a.andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In missive David Graddol expounded: > Is the thickness of your frame borders by any chance set to 'thin'? This > is always to be avoided because 'thin' means the thinnest line which can > be resolved on the output device. If you have a high res output device, > the line can disappear. An inkjet printer may have different vertical > and horiz resolutions. Just a thought, The frame borders are set to "design size" which is 3.25mm (the last of the standard borders on the menu. -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 13:50:24 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148184 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 13:50:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986556979:10:07118:74; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:36:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122970; 6 Apr 2001 11:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36BZVu32371 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:31 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36BZS532367 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:28 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14lUWa-0000jT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:35:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:30:30 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printers pairs Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can someone explain the function of Printers Pairs in the print options. This does half of what I want, ie prints out an A4 sheet sideways at B5 size. Then it waits hangs for ages printing nothing on a seperate sheet. I can get the second of the sheets printed on the second half of the sheet by putting the paper back into the printer. What I'd really like is pamphlet printing that's flexible enough to let me choose to print two page 1's sideways on an A4 page (like wot Fireworkz can do!). Printer BJC-7100 (Photoreal driver). -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 13:50:26 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148186 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 13:50:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986556985:10:07545:67; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:36:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123110; 6 Apr 2001 11:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36BZUc32370 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:30 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36BZR532363 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:35:27 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14lUWY-0000jT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:35:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:24:11 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure Message-ID: References: <148155@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148155@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In missive <148155@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) expounded: > There are hints that very high resolution RISC OS raster printing goes wrong. > This is not an OPro problem (I hasten to reassure myself). One suggestion is > to remove the ArtWorks applet. Which I don't have. -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 16:12:09 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148199 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 16:12:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986568951:20:21424:66; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:55:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128130; 6 Apr 2001 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36EtFu00659 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:55:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36EtD500656 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:55:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lXds-0001FF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:55:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:55:36 GMT Message-Id: <148190@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printers pairs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can someone explain the function of Printers Pairs in the print >options. Pretty trivial actually, it might be called "pamphlet printing for those who can't be bothered to change the print scale" - because thats all it is. >What I'd really like is pamphlet printing that's flexible enough to >let me choose to print two page 1's sideways on an A4 page (like wot >Fireworkz can do!). No problem, use the 'Thumbnails' print format. This is only available if you've got the Imposition applet installed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 16:12:13 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148200 for opro ; Fri, 06 Apr 101 16:12:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986568984:20:22982:72; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:56:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021988; 6 Apr 2001 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36EtIa00664 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:55:18 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36EtG500661 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:55:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14lXdu-0001FF-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:55:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:58:26 GMT Message-Id: <148192@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print failure X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> One suggestion is to remove the ArtWorks applet. >Which I don't have. Well you've got it, but hopefully not in your Applets folder inside !OvnPro. As I've said, various high resolution printing problems have come up before. It would be good to have an actual example, if only so one can see where the problem is, the best basis for that is output to SPrinter (see my web site) because it is relatively simple and independent of hardware. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 7 01:57:04 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148217 for opro ; Sat, 07 Apr 101 01:57:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986589707:20:08451:74; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:41:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007917; 6 Apr 2001 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f36Kdql01597 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 21:39:52 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f36Kdn501594 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 21:39:50 +0100 Received: from [62.188.28.14] (helo=62.188.28.14) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14ld0C-0002xR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:38:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:04:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvPro Alternative resources Message-ID: <4a6621b453davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4a6510601cdfs@ukgateway.net> <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > Doesn't seem to work for me. Seems to be OK now... David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 9 17:54:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148268 for opro ; Mon, 09 Apr 101 17:54:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986755183:10:01680:67; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 18:39:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115087; 8 Apr 2001 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f38IZMs07598 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:35:22 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f38IZJ507595 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:35:19 +0100 Received: from modem-149.singapore-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.220.149] helo=localhost) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14mK1y-0006u4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:35:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: DAVE HUBBLE To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:30:47 +0100 Subject: Border import Message-ID: <4a681d8445daveh@daveh.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a63df7d83davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a63df7d83davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Having made the change from !Publisher to !OP, I am wondering how to import new borders. In !Publisher it was an easy process, just drag the draw file to the border import window. Is there a similar facility in !OP that I have missed? I have looked in the manual and on the CD, but cannot find any reference to adding borders. Help please!! Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 9 17:55:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148277 for opro ; Mon, 09 Apr 101 17:55:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986756735:20:11662:67; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:05:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011116; 8 Apr 2001 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f38J3qQ07745 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:03:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f38J3o507742 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:03:50 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14mKTa-000Lg2-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:03:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:01:58 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: Border import To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a681d8445daveh@daveh.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 08 Apr, DAVE HUBBLE wrote: > Hi, > > Having made the change from !Publisher to !OP, I am wondering how to > import new borders. > In !Publisher it was an easy process, just drag the draw file to the > border import window. Is there a similar facility in !OP that I have > missed? > I have looked in the manual and on the CD, but cannot find any reference > to adding borders. > > Help please!! Mine are in !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.Borders. Regards, Stephen -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 9 17:55:08 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148278 for opro ; Mon, 09 Apr 101 17:55:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986815781:10:25519:71; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:29:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124648; 9 Apr 2001 11:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f39BSpk10200 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:28:51 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f39BSn510197 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:28:49 +0100 Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.211] ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14mZqn-00027z-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:28:53 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 14mZqn-0008UY-01 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:28:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:26:09 +0100 Subject: Additions to the resources site Message-ID: <4a687a79aeC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all I have added to the resources site the following. 1. A new french dictionary from JM van Vredenburch. It is in a "zipped" Ovation dictionary format resulting in a far smaller size than the previous version. A few corrections and quite a few additions. The file !French should be dragged into ......!Words.Dictionary. 2. BMButton, from David Breakwell, as discussed in the OP Mailing List. Regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 9 17:55:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148283 for opro ; Mon, 09 Apr 101 17:55:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986813473:20:00574:81; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:51:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000490; 9 Apr 2001 10:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f39Amqo09999 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:48:52 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f39Amo509996 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:48:50 +0100 Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.211] ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14mZE5-0001Mq-00; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:48:53 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 14mZE5-0008MH-00; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:48:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: OVATIONP-L Cc: Chris Johnson Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:46:51 +0100 Subject: Re: OvPro Alternative resources Message-ID: <4a6876e0a1C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a651663a3Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Mon 02 Apr, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > On 02 Apr, Dave Symes wrote: > > > Anyone know if the Alternative OVPro resources site is still > > > in action as I've not been able to connect to it for ages. > > > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > > > > > Cheers > > > Dave S > > > > Doesn't seem to work for me. > I had repeated immediate connection within seconds using the above > link. OK chaps - quick explanation. I have been away for ten days so couldn't respond earlier. Sections of the campus have been subjected to power supply shutdowns for statutary health and safety checks. These shutdowns have been mainly at weekends. The chemistry dept was shutdown one weekend, next the maths dept (through which the fibre optics to chemistry are routed). The weekend of 30 mar/1st Apr was the turn of computing services, which houses the DNS servers and all the main routing in/out of the campus. During these times the server, even if actually running, was effectively off-line. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. What I shall probably do at some point in the not too distant future is provide an alternative mirror site to cope with these types of problem. Regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 10 00:49:31 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148309 for opro ; Tue, 10 Apr 101 00:49:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986841649:20:24519:87; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:40:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107466; 9 Apr 2001 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f39IcMG11319 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:38:22 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f39IcK511316 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:38:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14mgYS-000FtG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:38:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:37:44 GMT Message-Id: <148302@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Border import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro How to add borders is Appendix F in the new manual on the CD. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 11 01:30:08 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148374 for opro ; Wed, 11 Apr 101 01:30:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986938445:20:10423:66; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:34:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010057; 10 Apr 2001 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3ALVPP15102 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:31:25 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3ALVN515099 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:31:23 +0100 Received: from modem-108.oregon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.88.108] helo=localhost) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14n5jS-0006tD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:31:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: DAVE HUBBLE To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:19:51 +0100 Subject: Medical dictionary - where can I find one? Message-ID: <4a68b0d4ccdaveh@daveh.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148302@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <148302@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Anyone know where I can find a medical dictionary suitable for use with !OP ? Cheers Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 11 13:43:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148390 for opro ; Wed, 11 Apr 101 13:43:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986954047:20:29767:66; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:54:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105141; 11 Apr 2001 1:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3B1rNv15812 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:53:23 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3B1rL515809 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:53:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14n9oz-000BQp-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:53:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:50:52 GMT Message-Id: <148385@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Medical dictionary - where can I find one? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The dictionaries supplied with my Spell program have a high content of obscure medical terms. If you've got it to hand it might be useful, but its not a particularly good solution. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 11 13:43:49 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148395 for opro ; Wed, 11 Apr 101 13:43:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986989777:10:01015:66; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:49:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000787; 11 Apr 2001 11:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3BBkQU17299 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:46:26 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3BBkN517296 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:46:23 +0100 Received: from modem-164.arizona.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.54.164] helo=beeston12) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14nJ4t-0008Lh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:46:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:47:55 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Failure to PAUSE during printing, query Message-ID: <72484694a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.64b User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, I am using OvationPro 2.60, and have a problem over printing. Whenever I am printing a document more than one page long I set the Pause check-box (indeed the default document may have this set) intending to turn over the first printed sheet and feed it in again for the 2nd page to be printed on its back. Since installing the new version (recently) I am finding that giving the print command does NOT bring up the dialogue box with the green bar indicating progress and the Continue button. Instead the printing goes straight ahead with no pause, or would do but for there being only 1 sheet in the printer. The first page is printed and ejected, the printer tries to grab another sheet and goes off-line before I can turn the paper and feed it back in. I then get page 2 printed by feeding it in and pressing the on-line button to re-start the printing. Can anyone suggest what I should check to correct this? Many thanks, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 11 17:45:50 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148408 for opro ; Wed, 11 Apr 101 17:45:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986999408:20:24695:87; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:30:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111899; 11 Apr 2001 14:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3BESXn18043 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:28:33 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (itsspol@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3BESR518011 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:28:27 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 14nLNa-0006cL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:13:54 +0000 Received: from [213.1.171.25] (helo=martin.lexicon) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14nLNY-0004VH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:13:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:14:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Failure to PAUSE during printing, query Message-ID: <4a699187efmlongley@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <72484694a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <72484694a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <72484694a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, [Snip] > Since installing the new version (recently) I am finding that giving the > print command does NOT bring up the dialogue box with the green bar > indicating progress and the Continue button. Instead the printing goes > straight ahead with no pause, or would do but for there being only 1 sheet > in the printer. [Snip] Is the printer set to background printing? Go to choices on iconbar menu and make sure 'Background' is not ticked. Martin Longley -- mlongley@btinternet.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 11 17:45:51 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148409 for opro ; Wed, 11 Apr 101 17:45:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 986998856:10:25464:68; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:20:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103946; 11 Apr 2001 14:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3BEJvs17925 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:19:57 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3BEJt517922 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:19:55 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14nLTS-0000xv-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:19:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:50:11 GMT Message-Id: <148396@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Failure to PAUSE during printing, query X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >whenever I am printing a document more than one page long I set the Pause >check-box (indeed the default document may have this set) intending to turn >over the first printed sheet and feed it in again for the 2nd page to be >printed on its back. Ovation Pro Choices (from the icon bar menu), Print, untick 'background'. When 'background' is selected, there can be no interruption to printing e.g. handling a pause. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 11 17:46:01 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148413 for opro ; Wed, 11 Apr 101 17:45:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987004794:10:02115:67; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:59:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123954; 11 Apr 2001 15:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3BFwae18521 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:58:36 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (itsspol@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3BFwX518517 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:58:33 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.170.11]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 14nLvU-0007aS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:48:56 +0000 Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.211] ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14nLvQ-0000CV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:48:52 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 14nLvQ-0004kg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:48:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:46:08 +0100 Subject: Another addition to the alt site Message-ID: <4a699474bbC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro With Nick Kaijaks permission I have now added the !IncSave applet to my resources site. Just to remind everyone, the site is there to help all users as a central repository of resources. If you have anything you think would be useful, not necessarily applets, but also any other resources such as document templates, macros, hints and tips, etc. then let me have them and I will put them on the site. Regards to all Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 13 01:15:57 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148477 for opro ; Fri, 13 Apr 101 01:15:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987114684:20:01245:67; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:31:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001022; 12 Apr 2001 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3CMRa623287 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:27:36 +0100 Received: from pandora.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.84]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3CMRU523284 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:27:32 +0100 Received: from localhost.com (ppp-102.cust210-9-26.ghr.chariot.net.au [210.9.26.102]) by pandora.chariot.net.au (8.11.1/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3CMRNt01111 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:57:24 +0930 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:41:19 +0830 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: virus?? Message-ID: <1f8b466a4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have been running VZap and it reports that I may have the image virus and the file it is suspicious about, amongst others, is !Fill opening it up there is a file called image, should it be their? A number of applets on the Ovation CD have the image file as well. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 13 01:16:05 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148480 for opro ; Fri, 13 Apr 101 01:16:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987117137:20:07820:66; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:12:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2103405; 12 Apr 2001 23:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3CNBid23477 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:11:44 +0100 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3CNBg523474 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:11:42 +0100 Received: from modem-120.lunar-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.38.248] helo=modem-120) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14nqFd-0001AU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:11:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:10:51 +0100 Subject: StylePal funny Message-ID: <4a6a468056rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Recently, when I open the first document in Ovation Pro, I get the Style Palette open on screen. It didn't use to do this and I don't remember upgrading it recently. It isn't ticked in the Applets menu. StylePal is 1.07 and I /think/ it's only been doing it since I upgraded to OP 2.63. Any idea how I can stop it opening? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 13 14:07:30 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148487 for opro ; Fri, 13 Apr 101 14:07:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987128867:20:20293:65; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:27:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020005; 13 Apr 2001 2:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3D2R8424085 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:27:08 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3D2R6524082 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:27:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14ntIk-0009LQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:27:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:17:25 GMT Message-Id: <148482@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: virus?? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Yes, some applets should have an 'Image' file inside them. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 13 14:07:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148490 for opro ; Fri, 13 Apr 101 14:07:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987153336:10:19249:65; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:15:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121957; 13 Apr 2001 9:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3D9EJO25077 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:14:19 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3D9EG525074 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:14:16 +0100 Received: from [62.7.35.184] (helo=anon.demon.co.uk) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14nzem-0007QF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:14:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:12:31 +0100 Subject: Re: virus?? Message-ID: <4a6a7d95bePaul@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <1f8b466a4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: <1f8b466a4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.03) X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <1f8b466a4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au>, Peter Prewett wrote: > I have been running VZap and it reports that I may have the image virus > and the file it is suspicious about, amongst others, is !Fill opening it > up there is a file called image, should it be their? I shall look into this and fix it for the next version of VZap, which is being rather safe than sorry and (presumably) getting a false alarm. Having recently just upgraded to OvationPro CD version myself, I'll look into this ASAP. regards, paul -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ RISC OS Programming, (` o-o ') Internet Consultancy http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Web Design ------ Microsoft software: Designed for PCs, written by fools, used by idiots! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 13 14:07:47 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148494 for opro ; Fri, 13 Apr 101 14:07:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987153794:20:11320:66; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:23:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101793; 13 Apr 2001 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3D9Lbe25141 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:21:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3D9LZ525138 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:21:35 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14nzlr-0004ob-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:21:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:20:40 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: 2 Col Master Pages Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm trying to do something which should be very simple - by 12 noon today!) but defeats me. I want a Master page with two linked columns that will create new identical pages when imported text flows over onto new pages. All I seem to be able to get is text which flows continually down column one onto new pages leaving column two blank. -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 13 18:33:48 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148502 for opro ; Fri, 13 Apr 101 18:33:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987172098:10:00618:65; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:28:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128154; 13 Apr 2001 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3DER0p25992 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:27:00 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3DEQv525989 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:26:57 +0100 Received: from du-006-0195.freeuk.com ([212.126.147.195] helo=freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14o4XM-0002qQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:27:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:25:20 +0100 Subject: Re: 2 Col Master Pages Message-ID: <4a6a9a3969badger.set@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Andy McMullon wrote: > I'm trying to do something which should be very simple - by 12 noon > today!) but defeats me. > I want a Master page with two linked columns that will create new > identical pages when imported text flows over onto new pages. > All I seem to be able to get is text which flows continually down > column one onto new pages leaving column two blank. Erm, this seems a bit too easy, so perhaps it's not what you want, but... Iconbar icon > Menu > New... > set Default master frame Columns to 2. Works here anyway! HTH Sorry it's too late for your deadline, but I didn't log on till just now! -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 13 18:33:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148505 for opro ; Fri, 13 Apr 101 18:33:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987182345:10:03860:65; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:19:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110382; 13 Apr 2001 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3DHIKi26471 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:18:20 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3DHII526468 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:18:18 +0100 Received: from mcfamily.demon.co.uk ([194.222.77.216]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14o7DC-0003dE-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:18:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:44:13 +0100 From: Andy McMullon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2 Col Master Pages Message-ID: <13f49b6a4a.andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In missive Andy McMullon expounded: > I'm trying to do something which should be very simple - by 12 noon > today!) but defeats me. > > I want a Master page with two linked columns that will create new > identical pages when imported text flows over onto new pages. > > All I seem to be able to get is text which flows continually down > column one onto new pages leaving column two blank. Sorted - thanks to all who emailed me the solution! -- skypilot@bigfoot.com / andy@mcfamily.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 13 19:15:42 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148509 for opro ; Fri, 13 Apr 101 19:15:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987183163:20:19214:65; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:32:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019102; 13 Apr 2001 17:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3DHWCV26569 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:32:12 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3DBi9525628 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:44:09 +0100 Received: from riscpc.at.home ([213.107.105.170]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010413114413.JNPC285.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@riscpc.at.home> for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:44:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:44:00 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2 Col Master Pages Message-ID: <1f748b6a4a.john@xl-cambridge.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous message, Andy McMullon wrote: > I'm trying to do something which should be very simple - by 12 noon > today!) but defeats me. > > I want a Master page with two linked columns that will create new > identical pages when imported text flows over onto new pages. > > All I seem to be able to get is text which flows continually down > column one onto new pages leaving column two blank. IIRC, you need to link column 1 to column 2, then column 2 back to column 1. Alternatively, why not have a single frame on the master page. Set this frame to contain two columns of text and it should all happen magically, without your having to worry about setting the links at all! HTH, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.com http://www.xl-cambridge.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 13 22:52:47 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148514 for opro ; Fri, 13 Apr 101 22:52:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987197373:10:28848:65; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:29:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125431; 13 Apr 2001 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3DLRbK27248 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:27:37 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3DLRX527241 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:27:33 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-4.access.ch [212.161.130.4]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14667 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:27:36 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:15:13 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: 2 Col Master Pages To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 13 Apr, Andy McMullon wrote: > I'm trying to do something which should be very simple - by 12 noon > today!) but defeats me. > > I want a Master page with two linked columns that will create new snip and then he stated; > Sorted - thanks to all who emailed me the solution! For future use and other possibilties have a look at page 95 of the new manual on the CD. It is in chapter 8. JohnvV -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 13 22:52:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148516 for opro ; Fri, 13 Apr 101 22:52:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987197438:20:28083:65; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:30:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100049; 13 Apr 2001 21:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3DLRcR27249 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:27:38 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3DLRY527245 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:27:34 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-4.access.ch [212.161.130.4]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14670 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:27:37 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:26:02 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: StylePal funny To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a6a468056rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 13 Apr, Ray Dawson wrote: > > Recently, when I open the first document in Ovation Pro, I get the Style > Palette open on screen. It didn't use to do this and I don't remember > upgrading it recently. It isn't ticked in the Applets menu. > > StylePal is 1.07 and I /think/ it's only been doing it since I upgraded > to OP 2.63. > > Any idea how I can stop it opening? Have a look at line 36 of !StylePal.Library.StylePal. The following line let's you position where the Style Palette opens on screen. If you set this to zero, edit the AResources.Templates file to position the window where you want it and save the template file. You can also select on/off via the Button bar by setting up the macro file correctly. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 14 01:53:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148524 for opro ; Sat, 14 Apr 101 01:53:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987203365:10:04558:65; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:09:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004438; 13 Apr 2001 23:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3DN7tn27691 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:07:55 +0100 Received: from fmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (fmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.183]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3DN7j527688 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:07:53 +0100 Received: from [195.92.195.176] (helo=cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk) by fmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14oCfN-000304-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:07:49 +0100 Received: from modem-79.lamark-angel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.36.207] helo=modem-79) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14oCdD-00025q-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:05:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:04:55 +0100 Subject: Re: StylePal funny Message-ID: <4a6ac9cb50rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a6a468056rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Fri 13 Apr, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > Recently, when I open the first document in Ovation Pro, I get the > > Style Palette open on screen. It didn't use to do this and I don't > > remember upgrading it recently. It isn't ticked in the Applets menu. > > > > StylePal is 1.07 and I /think/ it's only been doing it since I > > upgraded to OP 2.63. > > > > Any idea how I can stop it opening? > Have a look at line 36 of !StylePal.Library.StylePal. > The following line let's you position where the Style Palette opens on > screen. If you set this to zero, edit the AResources.Templates file to > position the window where you want it and save the template file. > You can also select on/off via the Button bar by setting up the macro > file correctly. I think you have a different version to me - line 36 in version 1.07 is } else { The lines you are referring to are at the top of the script. I've been doing a bit of playing. The copies of !StylePal v 1.07 inside my copies of OP 2.62 and 2.63 are identical. The StylePal scripts are identical. I know, because I copied one to the other. Load up OP 2.63 and click on the icon bar to open a document. The document opens with a StylePal window. Close the StylePal window and it doesn't open again unless asked to by clicking on SP in the Applets menu. Load up OP 2.62 and click on the icon bar to open a document. The document opens without a StylePal window. Something has happened in OP 2.63 to affect StylePal. But I don't know what. The top of the StylePal script is as follows: int stylepal_palette; int stylepal_centre; int stylepal_handle; int stylepal_views = 0; int stylepal_currnum; int stylepal_prevnum = 0; int stylepal_start = -1; int stylepal_user; int stylepal_file; int stylepal_newfile = 0; // 1 if new file just opened int stylepal_open = 0; int stylepal_stylesshaded; int stylepal_remstylesshaded; int stylepal_remeffectsshaded; int stylepal_menuhandle; string stylepal_path; Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 14 01:53:54 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148529 for opro ; Sat, 14 Apr 101 01:53:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987208281:20:09583:65; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:31:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102342; 14 Apr 2001 0:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3E0UgI27961 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:30:42 +0100 Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com (smtp01.fields.gol.com [203.216.5.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3E0Ud527958 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:30:39 +0100 Received: from tc-1-2-210.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.9.210] helo=plattir.gol.com) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 14oDxZ-0003X9-00 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:30:41 +0900 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:32:27 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: StylePal funny To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 13 Apr, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Fri 13 Apr, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > Recently, when I open the first document in Ovation Pro, I get the Style > > Palette open on screen. It didn't use to do this and I don't remember > > upgrading it recently. It isn't ticked in the Applets menu. > > > > StylePal is 1.07 and I /think/ it's only been doing it since I upgraded > > to OP 2.63. > > > > Any idea how I can stop it opening? > > Have a look at line 36 of !StylePal.Library.StylePal. I think that's line 38 in my version, but anyway, it's the line: stylepal_palette = 1; // use 1=open on startup, 0=closed on startup so if you change to 0, it starts up closed :-) HTH Ian P. -- Ian Platt Risc OS4 + StrongARM = UK technology. Continuing to 'think differently':-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 14 13:57:04 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148537 for opro ; Sat, 14 Apr 101 13:57:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987210738:10:13622:65; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:12:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013505; 14 Apr 2001 1:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3E1BvH28185 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 02:11:57 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3E1Bs528177 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 02:11:55 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14oEbW-0001IL-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:11:58 +0000 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 02:06:04 GMT Message-Id: <148535@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: StylePal funny X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think you have a different version to me - line 36 in version 1.07 StylePal 1.07 is the Nick Kaijaks version (others.Kaijaks on the CD). One of his improvements is to make the applet save the open/closed state. (as you toggle it on the applets menu, you may see the disc drive light flash). So the advice about looking at scripts should not be relevant. I've installed 1.07 (into 2.63) and it seems OK. Staying closed when it should be closed and open when it should be open. Is there any other difference in your copies of 2.62 and 2.63 besides the obvious ones? e.g. extra applets. (perhaps the configuration file (!StylePal.Choices) for the copy of the applet in 2.63 is sat on a bad disc sector ;-) or more realistically locked or something) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 14 13:57:23 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148547 for opro ; Sat, 14 Apr 101 13:57:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987240663:20:11663:66; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:31:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103318; 14 Apr 2001 9:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3E9TpA29446 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:29:51 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3E9Tn529443 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:29:49 +0100 Received: from modem-60.longnose-hawk.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.38.60] helo=magray.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14oMNM-0000Sa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:29:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:57:52 +0100 Subject: Re: StylePal funny Message-ID: <4a6b001462rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148535@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <148535@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <148535@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I think you have a different version to me - line 36 in version 1.07 > StylePal 1.07 is the Nick Kaijaks version (others.Kaijaks on the CD). > One of his improvements is to make the applet save the open/closed > state. (as you toggle it on the applets menu, you may see the disc > drive light flash). So the advice about looking at scripts should not > be relevant. > I've installed 1.07 (into 2.63) and it seems OK. Staying closed when it > should be closed and open when it should be open. I did find the Choices file was different between the two. The 2.62 one had 00 in and the 2.63 one had 01. Copying the old into the new cured the problem. But, how did it get different in the first place? All I did was upgrade from OP 2.62 to 2.63 and never touched StylePal. Anyway, sorted now - thanks. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 17:01:22 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148555 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 17:01:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987253169:20:28712:65; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:59:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121612; 14 Apr 2001 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3ECwh130020 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:58:43 +0100 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3E1Jj528254 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 02:19:45 +0100 Received: from modem-22.altace.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.76.150] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14oEj5-0006sW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 02:19:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 02:19:02 +0100 Subject: Re: StylePal funny Message-ID: <4a6ad612a4brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a6a468056rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a6a468056rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a6a468056rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > Recently, when I open the first document in Ovation Pro, I get the > Style Palette open on screen. It didn't use to do this and I don't > remember upgrading it recently. It isn't ticked in the Applets menu. > StylePal is 1.07 and I /think/ it's only been doing it since I upgraded > to OP 2.63. > Any idea how I can stop it opening? I have OP 2.63 and StylePal 1.08 here. Whether or not the Style Palette opens with the first document depends entirely on whether OP was shut down with menu item Ovation Pro->Applets->Style palette ticked or not (ie the saved state appears to carry over). I have made no alterations within the applet nor have I set up any macros. Further investigation shows that the state is held in !OvnPro.Applets.!StylePal.Choices where two bytes hold the state of the Style palette window when last shut down and whether or not it is centered as in this table: Applet ON Applet OFF Centered ON 01 01 01 00 Centered OFF 00 01 00 00 Unfortunately I don't have version 1.07 here to see if that is the same. HTH -- Brian Jordan >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England Did Noah keep his bees in archives? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 17:01:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148556 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 17:01:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987253170:20:29152:65; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:59:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121607; 14 Apr 2001 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3ECwim30021 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:58:44 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3ECwf530017 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:58:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14oPdV-000E9F-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:58:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:59:08 GMT Message-Id: <148551@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: StylePal funny X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But, how did it get different in the first place? Well a single click on 'Style pal' in the applets menu, intentional or not, would do the job. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 17:01:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148559 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 17:01:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987270528:10:07138:65; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:48:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006817; 14 Apr 2001 17:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3EHm1x30846 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:48:01 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3EHm0530843 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:48:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 28349 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2001 17:48:03 -0000 Received: from userag63.test-uk.uudial.com (HELO gtwywc97@ukgateway.net) (62.188.195.150) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2001 17:48:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:09:23 +0100 Subject: Re: StylePal funny Message-ID: <4a6b2795earayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a6ad612a4brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4a6a468056rayd@argonet.co.uk> <4a6ad612a4brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a6ad612a4brian@drood68.freeserve.co.uk>, Brian Jordan wrote: > I have OP 2.63 and StylePal 1.08 here. Whether or not the Style Palette > opens with the first document depends entirely on whether OP was shut > down with menu item Ovation Pro->Applets->Style palette ticked or not > (ie the saved state appears to carry over). I have made no alterations > within the applet nor have I set up any macros. > Further investigation shows that the state is held in > !OvnPro.Applets.!StylePal.Choices where two bytes hold the state of the > Style palette window when last shut down and whether or not it is > centered as in this table: > Applet ON Applet OFF > Centered ON 01 01 01 00 > Centered OFF 00 01 00 00 The above is very useful. On my setup, the Stylepal applet wasn't ticked, but the Choices file showed it to be ON. Ticking and unticking didn't stop it doing that initial opening. However, when I copied the original Choices file set to OFF, then the whole thing works. It would appear that something got its knickers in a twist - apart from me - and resulted in a conflict between what the applet thought it was doing and what OP thought it was doing. Anyway, it's fixed now. > Unfortunately I don't have version 1.07 here to see if that is the same. I didn't know there was a 1.08 version. Perhaps I should have a look on the OP applets site, or Nik's. Thanks for all the helpful answers - I did get there in the end. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 17:01:54 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148568 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 17:01:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987285529:10:11427:65; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:58:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103634; 14 Apr 2001 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3ELw7d31503 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:58:07 +0100 Received: from pandora.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.84]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3ELw2531500 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:58:03 +0100 Received: from localhost.com (ppp-007.cust210-9-21.ghr.chariot.net.au [210.9.21.7]) by pandora.chariot.net.au (8.11.1/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3ELw1t01986 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 07:28:01 +0930 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:31:55 +0830 From: Peter Prewett To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Document size Message-ID: <3496926a4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I had a document in which I inserted pictures then found I could not put it on to a floppy as the resulting file was to large, I deleted all the pictures and saved again but the file was the same size as before. The only way I could reduce the file size was to save as a DDL file and reload, is this normal? and why should that be? Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 17:01:58 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148570 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 17:01:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987289623:10:08375:66; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:07:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107722; 14 Apr 2001 23:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3EMxut31688 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:59:56 +0100 Received: from hose.mail.pipex.net (hose.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3EMxs531685 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:59:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 3242 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2001 22:59:58 -0000 Received: from useraf18.test-uk.uudial.com (HELO useraf18) (62.188.195.6) by smtp-4.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2001 22:59:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:59:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Document size Message-ID: <4a6b4d16bfrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3496926a4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> References: <3496926a4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <3496926a4a.pprewett@chariot.net.au>, Peter Prewett wrote: > I had a document in which I inserted pictures then found I could not put > it on to a floppy as the resulting file was to large, I deleted all the > pictures and saved again but the file was the same size as before. > The only way I could reduce the file size was to save as a DDL file and > reload, is this normal? and why should that be? Are the graphics kept so that they can be replaced by the Undo buffer? Try switching off Save Undo in general choices. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 17:02:12 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148575 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 17:02:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987420692:20:03240:66; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:31:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002951; 16 Apr 2001 11:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3GBSVi04030 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:28:31 +0100 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3GBSP504027 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:28:29 +0100 Received: from modem-595.plaice.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.222.83] helo=nrice90.fsnet.co.uk) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14p7BF-0008C2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:28:30 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:28:11 +0100 From: Norman Rice To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvPro + !Workspace Message-ID: <5083156c4a.norman@nrice90.fsnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have been using OvPro with a program called WorkSpace v2.81. This program allows 6 different workspaces for different tasks to be worked on and selected from the iconbar. However, with OvPro opened in one workspace with toolbar and info palette attached, when another workspace is selected the toolbar and info palette appears flashing on the new screen, which is rather annoying. The help file within Workspace suggests a way of getting over this problem i.e. to iconise the OvPro window before moving to a new workspace. The only other way I have found to solve this problem is to set up the view options for the OvPro window so as to untick the toolbar and info palette options. The other problem along the same lines is that swapping workspace with Bubble help enabled sometimes gives an error requiring Bubble help to quit. I am merely posting this info in case anyone else is struggling with the same problem and to ask for any other solutions to the problem. TIA Norman -- _ __ norman@nrice90.fsnet.co.uk ___ _ / |/ /___ ____ __ _ ___ _ ___ / _ \ (_)_______ / // _ \/ __// ' \/ _ `// _ \ / , _// // __/ -_) /_/|_/ \___/_/ /_/_/_/\_,_//_//_/ /_/|_|/_/ \__/\__/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 17:03:16 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148598 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 17:03:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987442011:10:09452:65; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:26:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125637; 16 Apr 2001 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3GHQGI05015 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:26:16 +0100 Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3GHQE505012 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:26:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 19286 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2001 17:26:17 -0000 Received: from userag15.test-uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.195.102) by smtp-6.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 17:26:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:33:50 +0100 Subject: Stationery templates Message-ID: <4a6c2c00b7dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I like Ovation Pro very much, and have been using it since the very first official release. (I'm now on 2.63). Years ago I transferred all my business and private WP/DTP paperwork to Ov Pro (You've got it easy now with the Impression loader), back then it all had to be reconstructed manually piece by piece... :-( I still use Imp Publisher for one or two bits 'n bobs, which really brings me to the reason for this post. The Stationer Applet in Ov Pro works very well... in the way it does work... But I sometimes really miss the way Impression did its master pages... It was so easy to convert a document from one master page type to another... unlike Ov Pro where it's a major reconstruction operation. Obviously Mr P isn't going to rework Ov Pro just to make me happy... Has anyone managed to evolve an effective way of imitating the Impression master page method in Ov Pro? Nb: If any unkind person suggests drag n' drop between two Ov Pro docs I shall bang my desk and shout lots of expletives at them... The docs in question have lots of graphics inserted into the pages, these graphics are *NOT* embedded. Now if someone can suggest an easy way of turning non-embedded graphics into embedded graphics, (re-inserting into the document is totally out of the question), all the problems would be solved in one action, as the whole kit n' caboodle could be dragged from one Stationery masterpage to a different one. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 21:36:36 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148640 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 21:36:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987538769:10:05250:64; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:19:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1124062; 17 Apr 2001 20:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3HKGdD09242 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:16:39 +0100 Received: from diver.doc.ic.ac.uk (IDENT:exim@diver.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.1.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3HKGa509239 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:16:36 +0100 Received: from [146.169.27.1] (helo=laptop) by diver.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #7) id 14pbtm-0000Qu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:16:30 +0100 From: "Henry Morgan" To: "Ovation Pro Mailling List" Subject: Saving and loading DDL - error in OP 2.63 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:17:07 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, I have just upgraded to OP 2.63, and have tried saving and reloading a Story as a DDL file. When I try to load the file I get the error "Unknown Object at 159". The size of the DDL file is 3.2 MBs (approx), and the size of the OP document is 2.5 MBs, which the story makes up the majority of. The story includes some graphics. Any ideas on if it is my fault or not? Regards, Henry PS. David - I can email the documents (compressed!) to you if you wish. -- Henry Morgan mailto:henry.morgan@ic.ac.uk http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ham98/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 22:00:10 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148653 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 22:00:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987539689:10:24497:64; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:34:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117304; 17 Apr 2001 20:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3HKYH309349 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:34:17 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3GHVK505085 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:31:20 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.161.248]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GBWBC709.QPV for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:31:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:31:16 +0200 Subject: OvPro + !Workspace Message-ID: <4a6c36c11cpaul.sprangers@planet.nl> In-Reply-To: <5083156c4a.norman@nrice90.fsnet.co.uk> References: <5083156c4a.norman@nrice90.fsnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >(...) to solve this problem is to set up the view options for the OvPro > window so as to untick the toolbar and info palette options. For completely different reasons I created two function key operations for fast enabling and disabling both panes. defmacro(1,"CS_F5","{settools(!gettools())}",""); defmacro(1,"CS_F6","{setinfopal(!getinfopal())}",""); Add these two macros at the bottom of !Macros in the Autorun directory for toggling both panes with control-shift F5 & F6. Of course you were hoping for something better, but until then this could be a temporary solution. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 22:00:13 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148654 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 22:00:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987539689:10:24515:64; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:34:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1117275; 17 Apr 2001 20:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3HKYEd09342 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:34:14 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3HG0l508574 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:00:47 +0100 Received: from localhost ([62.254.44.218]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010417160046.MIOW283.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:00:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:00:46 +0100 From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Help with merge macro Message-ID: <0c4eb26c4a.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello I've been trying to set up a merge macro which will allow me to print text according to some criterion, eg if case a) print x; case b) print y. I have the basic macro working ie it looks for the criterion in the given CSV field and then goes to read one of two text files. My problem is that the filereads() function only reads the first paragraph and I can't work out the proper construction to let it read everything to the end-of-file marker As it stands I have: {int i,l,p; string s,t;if(field(8)=="o") s="ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Centre Stage.ProProject.XmasShow.PR.Old";else s="ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Centre Stage.ProProject.XmasShow.PR.New";i=fileopen(s,"r");filereads(t,i);macv=t;fileclose(i)} where 'Old' and 'New' are two plain text files, but that only reads the first paragraph in each. If I try: i=fileopen(s,"r");do {filereads(t,i);macv=t;} while !fileeof(i) fileclose(i)} I only get the last paragraph, which is the signature at the end. I have a sort of a workaround in that converting all linefeeds to carriage returns in !Edit reads all the paragraphs (with version 1 above), but I should like to know the solution Also can {filepath} be used in anyway to get rid of the long path strings in the macro - the field allows only a few more characters as it is, and so won't allow major additional changes; when I try, it gives 'wrong type' errors. Thank you Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 22:00:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148655 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 22:00:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987539702:10:25251:64; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:35:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024842; 17 Apr 2001 20:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3HKYJh09350 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:34:19 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3HKYG509346 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:34:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14pcB2-0005Np-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:34:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:31:55 GMT Message-Id: <148635@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help with merge macro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >i=fileopen(s,"r");do {filereads(t,i);macv=t;} while !fileeof(i) >fileclose(i)} Something like macv="":do {filereads(t,i);macv=macv+t;} In other words add the string to what you've already got instead of keep reading instead of. >Also can {filepath} be used in anyway to get rid of the long path strings >in the macro - the field allows only a few more characters as it is, and >so won't allow major additional changes; when I try, it gives 'wrong type' >errors. Perhaps if the merge file lives where the document does. But anyway you can use a RISC OS system variable. Set X$F long complicated path and then in the fopen(). And of course one the macro gets complex it is usually easier to stick it all in a script file in a Library directory, and just call it up with a function name. Look at the random number function in the mail merge examples. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 22:00:19 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148656 for opro ; Tue, 17 Apr 101 22:00:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987539834:10:01948:65; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:37:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001348; 17 Apr 2001 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3HKaX209452 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:36:33 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3HKaT509447 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:36:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14pcDB-0005T3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:36:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:37:25 GMT Message-Id: <148643@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Saving and loading DDL - error in OP 2.63 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I try to load the file I get the error "Unknown Object at 159". And what pray tell me does line 159 look like? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 18 02:23:19 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148659 for opro ; Wed, 18 Apr 101 02:23:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987541111:10:09649:65; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:58:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009420; 17 Apr 2001 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3HKvvm09773 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:57:57 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3HKvt509770 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:57:55 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14pcXu-0006ie-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:57:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:49:08 GMT Message-Id: <148647@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Stylepal oddity X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just for general interest the thread on the style palette problems, seems to be generating this sort of error report (reason: 553 5.0.0 Your message may contain the IRC/Stages.worm virus or use another Subject) (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/ovationpro) So presumeably someone has outlawed the use of the word f*u*n*n*y* David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 18 02:23:23 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148661 for opro ; Wed, 18 Apr 101 02:23:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987542767:10:04001:82; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:26:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003944; 17 Apr 2001 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3HLPXb09959 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:25:33 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3HLPV509956 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:25:31 +0100 Received: from modem-9.connecticut.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.58.9] helo=beeston12) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14pcyd-0000Mc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:25:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:27:25 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Problem printing pamphlet Message-ID: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.64b User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, I am having great trouble printing a pamphlet, something which I have done before, and thought I knew how to do! I select All pages, all sides, and after I click Print the first sheet goes through the printer, but comes out with the front cover (i.e. page 1) printed on the LEFT side of the sheet. It should I reckon have p.1 on the RIGHT and p.8 on the left. What do I need to do to put this right? Thanks in advance, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 18 02:23:27 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148663 for opro ; Wed, 18 Apr 101 02:23:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987543157:10:24814:74; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:32:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123175; 17 Apr 2001 21:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3HLWM910025 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:32:22 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3HLWJ510022 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:32:19 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-114.access.ch [212.161.129.114]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA08722 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:32:23 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:30:33 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Stationery templates To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a6c2c00b7dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 16 Apr, Dave Symes wrote: > I like Ovation Pro very much, and have been using it since the very first > official release. (I'm now on 2.63). snip some > But I sometimes really miss the way Impression did its master pages... It > was so easy to convert a document from one master page type to another... > unlike Ov Pro where it's a major reconstruction operation. > > Obviously Mr P isn't going to rework Ov Pro just to make me happy... > > Has anyone managed to evolve an effective way of imitating the Impression > master page method in Ov Pro? I never used Impression, so am not quite sure what you want. But you state: > Now if someone can suggest an easy way of turning non-embedded graphics > into embedded graphics, ...... all the problems would be solved in one > action ..... You can select more than one graphic at a time and drag *all* selected frames together to another document. Eventually you can "Group" them first, then drag-and-drop (use the Alt key with Select). Beware that you do not select the Master frame as well. The new manual does specify that that embedded graphics as known in Ovation appear as separate frames when imported in OvPro. Hope this gives you some idea to solve your problem. Cheers JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 18 15:27:06 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148672 for opro ; Wed, 18 Apr 101 15:27:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987589453:20:04499:105; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:24:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004430; 18 Apr 2001 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3IAL6S12318 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:21:06 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3IAL0512315 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:21:04 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (dialup035.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.197]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23776 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:19:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:43:05 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem printing pamphlet Message-ID: <9e93086d4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f3IAL4512316 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > I am having great trouble printing a pamphlet, something which I have done > before, and thought I knew how to do! > > I select All pages, all sides, and after I click Print the first sheet goes > through the printer, but comes out with the front cover (i.e. page 1) printed > on the LEFT side of the sheet. It should I reckon have p.1 on the RIGHT and > p.8 on the left. What do I need to do to put this right? > > Thanks in advance, Robin. > A thought based on recent experience - check that you have page 1 set to start on a right-hand page, indeed that all pages are Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 18 15:27:34 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148681 for opro ; Wed, 18 Apr 101 15:27:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987598868:10:10938:67; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:01:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010606; 18 Apr 2001 13:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3ICwml12995 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:58:48 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3ICwk512992 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:58:46 +0100 Received: from mail-r1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.211] ident=exim) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14prXW-0001sq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:58:34 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail-r1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 14prXW-0000FK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:58:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:56:10 +0100 Subject: Medical dictionary Message-ID: <4a6d253dbbC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have now added a comprehensive medical dictionary (44,000 words) to the alt site, courtesy of Roger King. Chris... -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: opro@chris-johnson.org.uk (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From colinc@argonet.co.uk Wed Apr 18 18:24:03 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148689 for opro ; Wed, 18 Apr 101 18:24:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987608721:20:25956:5; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:45:21 GMT Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125257; 18 Apr 2001 15:44 GMT Received: from localhost ([62.254.40.255]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010418154017.LAOU283.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:40:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:58:53 +0100 From: To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Help with merge macro Message-ID: <79fb2a6d4a.colin@cstage.argonet.co.uk> References: <148635@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148635@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In your message of 17 Apr 2001 you wrote: > Something like > > macv="":do {filereads(t,i);macv=macv+t;} > > In other words add the string to what you've already got instead of > keep reading instead of. Thank you, that does it... > >Also can {filepath} be used... > > Perhaps if the merge file lives where the document does. It does, but I still can't get it ({filepath}) to work inside a merge field. > But anyway you can use a RISC OS system variable. Set X$F long > complicated path and then in the fopen(). > And of course one the macro gets complex it is usually easier to stick > it all in a script file in a Library directory, and just call it up > with a function name. Look at the random number function in the > mail merge examples. > Yes I've gone that route, each pathname defined as a function named in a library file. > > > David Pilling > Thank you -- Colin Carnegie colinc@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/cstage From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 18 22:04:25 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148707 for opro ; Wed, 18 Apr 101 22:04:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987620159:10:02683:64; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:55:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105335; 18 Apr 2001 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3IIqj014462 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:52:45 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3IIqh514459 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:52:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 16053 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 18:52:46 -0000 Received: from userah02.test-uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.195.188) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 18:52:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:18:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Stationery templates Message-ID: <4a6d42bbb2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4a6c2c00b7dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre1 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Mon 16 Apr, Dave Symes wrote: > > I like Ovation Pro very much, and have been using it since the very > > first official release. (I'm now on 2.63). > snip some > > But I sometimes really miss the way Impression did its master > > pages... It was so easy to convert a document from one master page > > type to another... unlike Ov Pro where it's a major reconstruction > > operation. > > > > Obviously Mr P isn't going to rework Ov Pro just to make me happy... > > > > Has anyone managed to evolve an effective way of imitating the > > Impression master page method in Ov Pro? > I never used Impression, so am not quite sure what you want. But you > state: > > Now if someone can suggest an easy way of turning non-embedded > > graphics into embedded graphics, ...... all the problems would be > > solved in one action ..... John, If all the graphics are of the embedded type, you can select all, then both text and graphics are all selected. The whole kit and caboodle can be dragged (or Copied-Pasted), in to a new Stationery master page. Everything moves and all ends up in the correct places... related to the text. Can't do that with ordinary graphics in made frames. > You can select more than one graphic at a time and drag *all* selected > frames together to another document. Eventually you can "Group" them > first, then drag-and-drop (use the Alt key with Select). Beware that you > do not select the Master frame as well. Yes and No... Multiple graphics can be selected, but only within one page, as soon as you move to another page the previously selected page graphics are unselected. If it was only one page doing the business manually wouldn't be a problem. We're talking 150+ pages and dozens of illos spread throughout the document. > The new manual does specify that that embedded graphics as known in > Ovation appear as separate frames when imported in OvPro. Wouldn't know... never used Ovation... was an Impression enthusiast before. > Hope this gives you some idea to solve your problem. > Cheers > JohnvV Thanks for the thoughts John. Unfortunately no help... :-( Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 18 22:04:28 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148709 for opro ; Wed, 18 Apr 101 22:04:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987620551:10:17086:66; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:02:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015854; 18 Apr 2001 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3IIww714505 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:58:58 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3IIwu514502 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:58:56 +0100 Received: from modem-4.protactinium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.65.4] helo=beeston12) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14pxAK-0007PF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:59:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:00:42 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem printing pamphlet Message-ID: <7d9d466d4a%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9e93086d4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.64b User-Agent: POPstar/2.03 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Mike Williams, In message <9e93086d4a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> you wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > I am having great trouble printing a pamphlet, something which I have done > > before, and thought I knew how to do! > > > > I select All pages, all sides, and after I click Print the first sheet goes > > through the printer, but comes out with the front cover (i.e. page 1) printed > > on the LEFT side of the sheet. ..... > > > A thought based on recent experience - check that you have page 1 set to start on a right-hand page, indeed that all pages ar You have hit the nail on the head. I immediately got the correct result after setting this. In fact my problem now is, how did I ever get pamphlets to print correctly without knowing this?? I must investigate and find out what the default is.... Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 18 22:04:31 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148710 for opro ; Wed, 18 Apr 101 22:04:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987620723:10:23847:64; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:05:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123452; 18 Apr 2001 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3IJ3Ec14549 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:03:14 +0100 Received: from duck.doc.ic.ac.uk (IDENT:exim@duck.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3IJ3C514546 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:03:12 +0100 Received: from [146.169.27.127] (helo=laptop) by duck.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #7) id 14pxEI-0006jn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:03:06 +0100 From: "Henry Morgan" To: Subject: RE: Saving and loading DDL - error in OP 2.63 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:03:48 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <148643@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Sorry I didn't think of putting anything so useful on! Line 159: {fillcolour COL_02 0x10000 0} Intriguingly COL_02 is not defined, however changing the lines using COL_02 to COL_01 or COL_03 (which are defined) gives OP a type 5 internal error when trying to load the DDL file... Is this of any assistance? Thanks, -- Henry Morgan mailto:henry.morgan@ic.ac.uk http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ham98/ > -----Original Message----- > From: > [mailto:owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk]On Behalf Of > David Pilling > Sent: 17 April 2001 22:37 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Saving and loading DDL - error in OP 2.63 > > > > >When I try to load the file I get the error "Unknown > Object at 159". > > And what pray tell me does line 159 look like? > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 19 01:03:02 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148718 for opro ; Thu, 19 Apr 101 01:02:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987634003:10:07459:72; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:46:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007067; 18 Apr 2001 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3IMhbO15306 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:43:37 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3IMhY515303 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:43:34 +0100 Received: from ppp-1-91.5800-6.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.153.91] helo=ghc) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 14q0ff-000Cvn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:43:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:40:49 +0100 Subject: StrongHelp Scrip Language Manual updated. Message-ID: <4a6d5ac44agav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The StrongHelp version of the Ovation Pro Script Reference Guide has been updated and can be downloaded from http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html This version (1.02) has some minor corrections and a few additions that reflect changes made in Ovation Pro 2.63. Gav. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 19 13:19:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148725 for opro ; Thu, 19 Apr 101 13:19:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987638502:20:17144:64; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:01:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017027; 19 Apr 2001 0:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3J00ZO15601 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:00:35 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3J00Y515598 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:00:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14q1sD-000J7Q-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:00:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:07:18 GMT Message-Id: <148711@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Saving and loading DDL - error in OP 2.63 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >{fillcolour COL_02 0x10000 0} >Intriguingly COL_02 is not defined, however changing the lines using >COL_02 to COL_01 or COL_03 (which are defined) gives OP a type 5 >internal error when trying to load the DDL file... Sounds a mess. Changing the colour isn't going to make it type 5. So something must be wrong elsewhere. Then again why is COL_02 missing. It might be interesting for me to have a look at the doc, as long as it doesn't involve a huge email. I guess the original document (not the DDL) will compress best. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 20 13:02:11 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148792 for opro ; Fri, 20 Apr 101 13:02:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987765511:10:05769:64; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:18:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114786; 20 Apr 2001 11:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3KBClF20639 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:12:47 +0100 Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3KBCf520636 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:12:45 +0100 Received: from modem-30.lawrencium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.71.30] helo=weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14qYqD-0001j0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:12:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:09:17 +0100 Subject: Picture cropping Message-ID: <4a6e23206bned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm creating some pamplets for a client which will go to a commercial printer. Im using OP 2.63. The layout is fine and prints well to paper keeping the intended layout and picture aspects. However Im trying to produce pdf files to email for approval. When I do this the pictures (sprites) in the pamphlet overspill the picture frames and aren't clipped. I have tried embedding them. Im printing to Postscript Level 2, then converting with RiScript 4.12. I have tried converting the postscript via Ghostscript 6 and the same effect takes place. Viewing in !pdf gives a similar if less marked effect. Looking through the manuals and the email archives I havnt spotted this one? I would be really glad of a clue....:-) -- besters.. Ned === -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 20 21:54:22 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148800 for opro ; Fri, 20 Apr 101 21:54:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987770389:20:27014:66; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:39:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026561; 20 Apr 2001 12:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3KCY3I21017 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:34:03 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3KCY1521014 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:34:01 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14qa6t-0000Gj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:34:03 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:28:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:29:33 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture cropping Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a6e23206bned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ned Abell wrote: > I'm creating some pamplets for a client which will go to a commercial > printer. Im using OP 2.63. > > The layout is fine and prints well to paper keeping the intended layout and > picture aspects. > However Im trying to produce pdf files to email for approval. When I do > this the pictures (sprites) in the pamphlet overspill the picture frames > and aren't clipped. I have tried embedding them. > > Im printing to Postscript Level 2, then converting with RiScript 4.12. I > have tried converting the postscript via Ghostscript 6 and the same effect > takes place. Viewing in !pdf gives a similar if less marked effect. > > Looking through the manuals and the email archives I havnt spotted this > one? I would be really glad of a clue....:-) As far as I recall, RiScript (and also I think !PDF) doesn't handle clipping properly. Have you tried viewing your PDF file using Acrobat Reader on a PC or Mac? That would tell you whether it is the production of the PDF which is the problem or the reading. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 20 21:54:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148806 for opro ; Fri, 20 Apr 101 21:54:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987788207:20:10443:64; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:36:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010385; 20 Apr 2001 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3KHTKZ22043 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:29:20 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3KHTI522040 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:29:18 +0100 Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14qeig-0007Cl-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:29:23 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:28:36 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Picture cropping To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 20 Apr, David Graddol wrote: > Ned Abell wrote: > > > I'm creating some pamplets for a client which will go to a commercial > > printer. Im using OP 2.63. > > > > The layout is fine and prints well to paper keeping the intended layout and > > picture aspects. > > However Im trying to produce pdf files to email for approval. When I do > > this the pictures (sprites) in the pamphlet overspill the picture frames > > and aren't clipped. I have tried embedding them. > > > > Im printing to Postscript Level 2, then converting with RiScript 4.12. I > > have tried converting the postscript via Ghostscript 6 and the same effect > > takes place. Viewing in !pdf gives a similar if less marked effect. > > > > Looking through the manuals and the email archives I havnt spotted this > > one? I would be really glad of a clue....:-) I was about to post the same question. I have tried the PDF with Acrobat reader 4 and the complete (i.e. unclipped) pictures are present. John -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 20 21:54:37 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148807 for opro ; Fri, 20 Apr 101 21:54:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987788352:20:16785:64; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:39:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108812; 20 Apr 2001 17:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3KHbqN22103 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:37:52 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3KHbo522100 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:37:50 +0100 Received: from [195.92.67.23] (helo=mail18.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14qeqx-0004H8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:37:55 +0100 Received: from modem-58.illinois.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.64.58] helo=weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk) by mail18.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14qeqs-0008S6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:37:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: Ovation Pro List Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:36:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Picture cropping Message-ID: <4a6e46928aned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> References: <4a6e23206bned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 20 Apr, David Graddol wrote: > Ned Abell wrote: > > I'm creating some pamplets for a client which will go to a commercial > > printer. Im using OP 2.63. > > > > The layout is fine and prints well to paper keeping the intended > > layout and picture aspects. However Im trying to produce pdf files to > > email for approval. When I do this the pictures (sprites) in the > > pamphlet overspill the picture frames and aren't clipped. I have tried > > embedding them. > > > > Im printing to Postscript Level 2, then converting with RiScript 4.12. > > I have tried converting the postscript via Ghostscript 6 and the same > > effect takes place. Viewing in !pdf gives a similar if less marked > > effect. [snip] > As far as I recall, RiScript (and also I think !PDF) doesn't > handle clipping properly. Have you tried viewing your PDF file > using Acrobat Reader on a PC or Mac? That would tell you whether > it is the production of the PDF which is the problem or the > reading. Ive run it across in Acrobat reader 4 and the pdf made by RiScript spills. In Paint Shop Pro from the PS printout file it doesnt. If I make a similar test page In Impression it spills...even with a different graphic... <..replaces rug> -- besters.. Ned === -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 20 22:46:49 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148824 for opro ; Fri, 20 Apr 101 22:46:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987800524:20:16114:64; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:02:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015984; 20 Apr 2001 21:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3KL0F022800 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:00:15 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.vianw.co.uk (mserv1a.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3KL0D522797 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:00:13 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1a.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14qi0l-0003Zp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:00:15 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:44:54 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:45:56 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture cropping Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a6e46928aned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ned Abell wrote: > On 20 Apr, David Graddol wrote: > > Ned Abell wrote: > > > > I'm creating some pamplets for a client which will go to a commercial > > > printer. Im using OP 2.63. > > > > > > The layout is fine and prints well to paper keeping the intended > > > layout and picture aspects. However Im trying to produce pdf files to > > > email for approval. When I do this the pictures (sprites) in the > > > pamphlet overspill the picture frames and aren't clipped. I have tried > > > embedding them. > > > > > > Im printing to Postscript Level 2, then converting with RiScript 4.12. > > > I have tried converting the postscript via Ghostscript 6 and the same > > > effect takes place. Viewing in !pdf gives a similar if less marked > > > effect. > [snip] > > As far as I recall, RiScript (and also I think !PDF) doesn't > > handle clipping properly. Have you tried viewing your PDF file > > using Acrobat Reader on a PC or Mac? That would tell you whether > > it is the production of the PDF which is the problem or the > > reading. > > Ive run it across in Acrobat reader 4 and the pdf made by RiScript spills. > In Paint Shop Pro from the PS printout file it doesnt. > If I make a similar test page In Impression it spills...even with a > different graphic... > <..replaces rug> > Well, it is not all despair. The postscript generated by OvPro distills very well into a PDF using Acrobat distiller. We do it all the time. So there is no basic problem about OvPro/Riscos. I wonder if a PDF generated by Ghostscript has the same problem when viewed with Acrobat Reader? It's really great to have RiScript and see its continued development but it really is very primitive compared with the current state of the art on the PC which is now up to Acrobat 5. One thing that has always puzzled me is how *slow* RiScript is compared to PDF software on the PC. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 21 01:55:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148828 for opro ; Sat, 21 Apr 101 01:55:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987803238:20:00383:64; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:47:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000286; 20 Apr 2001 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3KLjeR23017 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:45:40 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3KLjc523014 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:45:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14qiik-0009iP-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:45:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:35:32 GMT Message-Id: <148822@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture cropping X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >email for approval. When I do this the pictures (sprites) in the > pamphlet overspill the picture frames and aren't clipped. I have tried > embedding them. Funny thing is that someone reported something which sounds like this, a couple of weeks back. I've now produced my own pamphlet style document with clipped pictures, printed it out on my HP Laser Jet in level 2 PS mode, and... perfect. So I await more information. I can see that it might be due to some of the stuff OP adds to the PS, screenining or fills, equally it might be due to problems in whatever you're using to interpret the PS. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 21 14:27:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148839 for opro ; Sat, 21 Apr 101 14:27:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987852427:20:22638:64; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:27:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129341; 21 Apr 2001 11:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3LBKoY25200 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:20:50 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3LBKl525197 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:20:47 +0100 Received: from [195.92.67.23] (helo=mail18.svr.pol.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14qvRc-0006Ot-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:20:52 +0100 Received: from modem-136.dusty-damsel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.3.136] helo=weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk) by mail18.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14qvRb-0000XH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:20:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:15:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Picture cropping Message-ID: <4a6ea78efbned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148822@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <148822@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 20 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >email for approval. When I do this the pictures (sprites) in the > > pamphlet overspill the picture frames and aren't clipped. I have tried > > embedding them. > Funny thing is that someone reported something which sounds > like this, a couple of weeks back. > I've now produced my own pamphlet style document with clipped pictures, > printed it out on my HP Laser Jet in level 2 PS mode, and... > perfect. > So I await more information. > I can see that it might be due to some of the stuff OP adds to the PS, > screenining or fills, equally it might be due to problems in whatever > you're using to interpret the PS. At www.weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk/ned.zip theres a 136k spark archive of an OP document, its Postscript output via the PoScript2 printer driver and the resulting PDF made via RiScript with a little readme file. If anyone would care to look at the Postscript file and try it direct to a printer we could possibly narrow it down a bit. -- besters.. Ned === -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 21 14:27:41 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148842 for opro ; Sat, 21 Apr 101 14:27:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987856516:20:28786:64; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:35:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028640; 21 Apr 2001 12:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3LCYAg25485 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:34:10 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3LCY7525482 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:34:07 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14qwaX-0006Ef-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:34:10 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:16:27 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:17:38 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture cropping Message-ID: <9838ad6e4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a6ea78efbned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ned Abell wrote: > On 20 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > > >email for approval. When I do this the pictures (sprites) in the > > > pamphlet overspill the picture frames and aren't clipped. I have tried > > > embedding them. > > > Funny thing is that someone reported something which sounds > > like this, a couple of weeks back. > > > I've now produced my own pamphlet style document with clipped pictures, > > printed it out on my HP Laser Jet in level 2 PS mode, and... > > perfect. > > > So I await more information. > > > I can see that it might be due to some of the stuff OP adds to the PS, > > screenining or fills, equally it might be due to problems in whatever > > you're using to interpret the PS. > > At www.weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk/ned.zip theres a 136k spark archive of > an OP document, its Postscript output via the PoScript2 printer driver and > the resulting PDF made via RiScript with a little readme file. > > If anyone would care to look at the Postscript file and try it direct to a > printer we could possibly narrow it down a bit. Well, I took a quick look. With regard to clipping there is nothing wrong with the postscript file. I can distil it using Acrobat on the PC and it comes out fine. I can also generate a PDF using Ghostscript (I have 5.10) & the pstopdf front end and the resultant PDF shows the clipping correctly when viewed with Acrobat on the PC. So my conclusions are: the problem is with RiScript, and its handling of clipping on both viewing and PDF generation. You can use Ghostscript to generate a properly clipped PDF under Riscos (though it will still look wrong when viewed using RiScript). Clipping aside, I think there *is* a problem is generating images using Mode 28 sprites. The colour rendition in the PDF is wrong. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 21 14:27:44 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148843 for opro ; Sat, 21 Apr 101 14:27:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987857593:20:10541:65; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:53:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115375; 21 Apr 2001 12:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3LCpc325602 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:51:38 +0100 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (scooby-s1.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3LCpa525599 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:51:36 +0100 Received: from mld_server (host213-123-66-239.dialup.lineone.co.uk [213.123.66.239]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.10.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f3LCpYH02090 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:51:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from 97.4.0.33 by mld_server ([97.4.0.87] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:45:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Picture cropping Message-ID: <4a6eafbe80andy@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a6ea78efbned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> References: <148822@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4a6ea78efbned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.2 - Registered to: Micro Laser Designs Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a6ea78efbned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk>, Ned Abell wrote: > At www.weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk/ned.zip theres a 136k spark archive of > an OP document, its Postscript output via the PoScript2 printer driver > and the resulting PDF made via RiScript with a little readme file. > If anyone would care to look at the Postscript file and try it direct to > a printer we could possibly narrow it down a bit. Your PS file prints fine and converts to PDF using Acrobat Distiller with no problems! Cheers Andrew -- _______________________________________________________ Micro Laser Designs http://www.mld.co.uk 105 Midford Road andy@mld.co.uk Combe Down Tel: 01225 833266 Bath BA2 5RX Fax: 01225 832200 _______________________________________________________ LITHO PRINTING * IMAGESETTING * SCANNING * FINISHING FULL COLOUR, SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINTING -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 21 16:52:46 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148846 for opro ; Sat, 21 Apr 101 16:52:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987859587:20:28175:64; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:26:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100055; 21 Apr 2001 13:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3LDOhs25824 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:24:43 +0100 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3LDOe525820 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:24:40 +0100 Received: from modem-59.francium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.63.59] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14qxNU-0007mq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:24:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:32:40 +0100 (BST) From: John Percy Kerslake Subject: Re: Picture cropping To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 20 Apr, David Graddol wrote: snip > It's really great to have RiScript and see its continued > development but it really is very primitive compared with the > current state of the art on the PC which is now up to Acrobat 5. > One thing that has always puzzled me is how *slow* RiScript is > compared to PDF software on the PC. > > David I receaved an acrobat file on cd. It had a full page grafic as the over page. On am work pc it took a few minutes to load. On my riscstation the graphic took over 1 hour. I has assumed that riscript was optimised for a strongarm not a 7500FP. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878 e-mail address:- Work = kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, A.N.T.-I.S. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 23 19:37:11 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148871 for opro ; Mon, 23 Apr 101 19:37:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987886807:10:02106:65; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:00:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129503; 21 Apr 2001 21:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3LKwLX27094 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:58:21 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3LKwJ527091 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:58:19 +0100 Received: from modem-233.alaska.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.53.233] helo=orchard-way) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14r4SV-0004XW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:58:24 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:58:38 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture cropping Message-ID: <75ebdc6e4a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: > Ned Abell wrote: > > > I'm creating some pamplets for a client which will go to a commercial > > printer. Im using OP 2.63. > > > > The layout is fine and prints well to paper keeping the intended layout and > > picture aspects. > > However Im trying to produce pdf files to email for approval. When I do > > this the pictures (sprites) in the pamphlet overspill the picture frames > > and aren't clipped. I have tried embedding them. > > > > Im printing to Postscript Level 2, then converting with RiScript 4.12. I > > have tried converting the postscript via Ghostscript 6 and the same effect > > takes place. Viewing in !pdf gives a similar if less marked effect. > > > > Looking through the manuals and the email archives I havnt spotted this > > one? I would be really glad of a clue....:-) > > > As far as I recall, RiScript (and also I think !PDF) doesn't > handle clipping properly. Have you tried viewing your PDF file > using Acrobat Reader on a PC or Mac? That would tell you whether > it is the production of the PDF which is the problem or the > reading. > > David > I have tried creating pdf's from OPro and Taborca and see the same thing. The problem DOES show up in Acrobat, i.e. the pdf is at fault. Interestingly, the behaviour is different (not right, different) if irregular frames are used. Create a frame which is, say, triangular. Drop the picture into it - it clips it to a triangle. Put the picture frame over some text - the text flows round the triangular area. Now create pdf. The picture is correctly clipped to the triangle. The text is not visible for the whole area of the rectangle which bounds the triangle, but is flowed round the triangle. In other words, the text flow is correct, but the bounding box of the irregular frame has become opaque white, and is stacked between the picture and the text. If the picture frame is rectangular, created with the rectangle tool, then the picture is not clipped, but the text flows correctly round the frame. If I recall correctly, the text is printed over the unclipped part of the picture. I was planning to buy RiScript in the hope of avoiding this problem. Now it seems it is not solely related to Taborca. I am using OPro 2.60, and I am certain this behaviour was the same in earlier versions. PostScript printing works fine on these documents. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 23 19:37:17 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148874 for opro ; Mon, 23 Apr 101 19:37:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987887560:10:07071:64; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:12:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114086; 21 Apr 2001 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3LLBWO27171 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:11:32 +0100 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3LLBU527168 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:11:30 +0100 Received: from padua by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust243.tnt41.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.117.0.243] with SMTP for id XAA03225 (8.8.8/1.3); Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:11:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00b501c0caa7$d7e6cbf0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <9838ad6e4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Subject: Re: Picture cropping Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:12:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 21 Apr, David Graddol wrote: > Ned Abell wrote: > > > On 20 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > >email for approval. When I do this the pictures (sprites) in the > > > > pamphlet overspill the picture frames and aren't clipped. I have tried > > > > embedding them. > > > > > Funny thing is that someone reported something which sounds > > > like this, a couple of weeks back. > > > > > I've now produced my own pamphlet style document with clipped pictures, > > > printed it out on my HP Laser Jet in level 2 PS mode, and... > > > perfect. > > > > > So I await more information. > > > > > I can see that it might be due to some of the stuff OP adds to the PS, > > > screenining or fills, equally it might be due to problems in whatever > > > you're using to interpret the PS. > > > > At www.weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk/ned.zip theres a 136k spark archive of > > an OP document, its Postscript output via the PoScript2 printer driver and > > the resulting PDF made via RiScript with a little readme file. > > > > If anyone would care to look at the Postscript file and try it direct to a > > printer we could possibly narrow it down a bit. > > Well, I took a quick look. With regard to clipping there is > nothing wrong with the postscript file. I can distil it using > Acrobat on the PC and it comes out fine. I can also generate a > PDF using Ghostscript (I have 5.10) & the pstopdf front end and > the resultant PDF shows the clipping correctly when viewed with > Acrobat on the PC. > > So my conclusions are: the problem is with RiScript, and its > handling of clipping on both viewing and PDF generation. You can > use Ghostscript to generate a properly clipped PDF under Riscos > (though it will still look wrong when viewed using RiScript). > > Clipping aside, I think there *is* a problem is generating images > using Mode 28 sprites. The colour rendition in the PDF is wrong. > I haven't tried the document supplied by Ned Abell. But recently I have done a lot of testing with RISC OS Level2 PostScript output (of all kinds of programs), making PDF's out of them and importing both (PostScript files and PDF's, made with RiScript Pro, GhostScript and Acrobat 3.02) in CorelDRAW9. Intention was to have editable files on the other platform. Fonts (they can be replaced with TrueTypes or become shapes), vector graphics and bitmaps. With bitmaps, only JPEG's (not in every kind of conversion) and Sprites below 16bits (in every conversion) gave problems. Below 16 bits all sprites that I tried, were split in several objects, most times related to the amount of colors used in the bitmap. When I converted these sprites to 16 or 32 bits, all was ok. And in CorelDRAW/Photo Paint, they could be edited as every other native or windows bitmap. Colours also looked ok. Note, this import was all done via printing to PostScript. The bitmaps made with irregular frames in Ovation Pro were exactly that, when imported in CorelDRAW9 through import as PDF made with Acrobat or through import as PostScript output. BTW all bitmaps have an editable outline in CorelDRAW9. Vector Graphics (DrawFile based) didn't give any problem. (Graduated) Fill and hatch** applied in Ovation Pro (or in DrawFiles edited in Chameleon2 or Hatchback) didn't give a problem. **Colour rendering: the default colours (CMYK) in Ovation Pro aren't the same as the Draw RGB colours as used in files based on Draw or Paint. Using these default colours instead of the colours of the Draw palette, resulted in (very) different colours in the RGB translation during the process printing-to-file-and-importing-in-CorelDRAW9. I haven't tried this in converting to PDF. So, IMO, --clipping is ok in RISC OS PostScript printing. Whether or not it is rendered ok on screen in PDF or other programs, depends on the PDF or other software in use. --bitmaps, lower than 16 bits are 'in general' a cause of trouble in PostScript print-outs intended for use in PDF's or editing in programs, that can import PostScript output files. --JPEG's: result differs. 16 and 32 bits sprites are more reliable. mrs. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 23 19:37:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148887 for opro ; Mon, 23 Apr 101 19:37:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 987955913:10:08507:64; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:11:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118159; 22 Apr 2001 16:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3MG7ke30177 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:07:46 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3MG7h530174 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:07:44 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14rMOq-000KNI-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:07:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:08:41 +0100 Subject: Support for Seiko or DYMO label printers? Message-ID: <4a6f4635c6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone know of a way to drive either of these (extremely similar looking) single-label-at-a-time printers from RISC OS? Also from PC DOS 7 (eg using the RPC PC card)? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 23 19:37:58 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148894 for opro ; Mon, 23 Apr 101 19:37:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988016611:20:00377:76; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:03:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122192; 23 Apr 2001 9:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3N8wqR32488 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:58:52 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3N8wn532485 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:58:49 +0100 Received: from [195.92.67.23] (helo=mail18.svr.pol.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14rcBK-0004lK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:58:54 +0100 Received: from modem-84.kansas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.67.84] helo=weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk) by mail18.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14rcBJ-0005dA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:58:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:24:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Picture cropping Message-ID: <4a6f9f8a27ned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <00b501c0caa7$d7e6cbf0$4d01a8c0@padua> References: <9838ad6e4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> <00b501c0caa7$d7e6cbf0$4d01a8c0@padua> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Many thanks to all for the valuable contributions to try to solve my problem and the clarification that the PS output is fine... Ive had a try at changing the sprite depths but no success. Because of deadlines & the unreliabillity of the pdf conversion Ive gone back to cropping the sprites to the frame size so that the pdf doesnt spill and I can email these smaller sized files to the printer. Ive left the www.weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk/ned.zip file up for anyone else to experiment. -- besters.. Ned === -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 23 19:38:04 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148897 for opro ; Mon, 23 Apr 101 19:38:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988020105:10:04213:72; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:01:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113586; 23 Apr 2001 10:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3NA0Br32734 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:00:11 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.vianw.co.uk (mserv1b.vianw.co.uk [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3NA09532731 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:00:09 +0100 Received: from [194.119.179.59] (helo=Caslon.english.co.uk) by mserv1b.vianw.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #5) id 14rd8d-0007PS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:00:12 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:00:01 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:01:11 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture cropping Message-ID: <7c66a86f4a%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a6f9f8a27ned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ned Abell wrote: > Many thanks to all for the valuable contributions to try to solve my > problem and the clarification that the PS output is fine... > Ive had a try at changing the sprite depths but no success. > > Because of deadlines & the unreliabillity of the pdf conversion Ive gone > back to cropping the sprites to the frame size so that the pdf doesnt spill > and I can email these smaller sized files to the printer. If you are emailing the material to the printer, then it might be better to email the (zipped) postscript. They can usually do what they want with it themselves. Sprite depth doesn't affect the clipping problem. It does relate to a different problem in embedding bitmap images in RiscOS postscript output. I can confirm what Tonnie Demarteau says about 8 bit sprites/jpegs. I use ImgMaster to convert to 24 bit format. There are two problems that I have come across. First the colour palette, second the picture may be rendered as a series of strips or blocks each of which appears in the PDF as a separate graphic. This renders very slowly on screen and prevents any kind of editing or conversion of the objects in the PDF. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 23 19:38:05 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148898 for opro ; Mon, 23 Apr 101 19:38:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988046911:20:26021:72; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:28:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025320; 23 Apr 2001 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3NHNWd01370 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:23:32 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3NHNU501367 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:23:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 12331 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2001 17:23:35 -0000 Received: from useret28.uk.uudial.com (HELO RiscPC) (62.188.17.13) by smtp-1.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 17:23:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:20:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Support for Seiko or DYMO label printers? Message-ID: <4a6fd09f54steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a6f4635c6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4a6f4635c6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a6f4635c6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to drive either of these (extremely similar > looking) single-label-at-a-time printers from RISC OS? A quick check at the dymo website gives a link to ftp://ftp.dymo.com/develop/XLtech.pdf as your best bet for an information set on the escape code sequences. ftp://ftp.dymo.com/develop/se200tec.exe is a self extracting archive (SparkFS handles it OK) of the text info on programming the SE200 series, but it seems the other models use much the same command set. > Also from PC DOS 7 (eg using the RPC PC card)? The se200tec document gives PRINT$ command sequences as examples... -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 24 02:17:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148939 for opro ; Tue, 24 Apr 101 02:17:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988059156:10:10650:70; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:52:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010227; 23 Apr 2001 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3NKpRM01958 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:51:27 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3NKpP501955 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:51:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14rnIv-00009v-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:51:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:22:12 GMT Message-Id: <148928@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture cropping X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Chris Manning made the following interesting points... ================================================================================ I have it in my mind that RiScript ("Im printing to Postscript Level 2, then converting with RiScript 4.12", your original correspondent said) "doesn't do clipping", whatever that may mean. I only keep my news for a fortnight, but a quick trawl through that found Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:29:39 +0100 From: Nick > We were hoping you'd come good on your promise to integrate Vantage > features in to !RiScriptPro to offer CMYK separation capability, and > arbitrary shaped clipping. That's a very different issue. RiScript interprets all PS, PDF, EPS files into a Drawfile (hence why at the moment clipping is not featured). Our plan to supply a replacement Drawfile renderer after the release of Vantage will partly allow RiScript to display inks and clipping paths in combination with the work necessary by RiScript's authors. Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:52:33 +0100 From: Nick We have plans to incorporate Vantage ink technology into RiScript along with clipping paths. which seems to agree with what my memory tells me. I've no idea how relevant it is. ============================================================================== David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 24 14:39:34 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148949 for opro ; Tue, 24 Apr 101 14:39:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988108303:10:01098:90; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:31:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001132; 24 Apr 2001 10:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3OAUA503870 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:30:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3OAU7503867 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:30:07 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14s05D-00047f-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:30:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:29:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Support for Seiko or DYMO label printers? Message-ID: <4a70294da4Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a6fd09f54steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a6f4635c6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4a6fd09f54steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 23 Apr, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <4a6f4635c6Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, > Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > > Does anyone know of a way to drive either of these (extremely similar > > looking) single-label-at-a-time printers from RISC OS? > A quick check at the dymo website gives a link to > ftp://ftp.dymo.com/develop/XLtech.pdf as your best bet for an information > set on the escape code sequences. > ftp://ftp.dymo.com/develop/se200tec.exe is a self extracting archive > (SparkFS handles it OK) of the text info on programming the SE200 > series, but it seems the other models use much the same command set. > > Also from PC DOS 7 (eg using the RPC PC card)? > The se200tec document gives PRINT$ command sequences as examples... Thanks; I'd got this far already, but was hoping to find someone else had gone further. However I didn't know that !SparkFS could unscramble self- extracting .exe files -- how clever! I'd expected I'd have to run them on a PC to get the content out. You've saved me some time! -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 24 16:10:08 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148962 for opro ; Tue, 24 Apr 101 16:10:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988119400:10:18443:93; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:36:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128144; 24 Apr 2001 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3ODZqG04460 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:35:52 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3ODZo504457 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:35:50 +0100 Received: from [62.188.22.167] (helo=62.188.22.167) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14s2x5-0004hg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:33:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:27:59 +0100 Subject: The Toolbox Message-ID: <4a703f2b6echarles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a6e23206bned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have a document which I'm working on where the Toolbox, at the left of the document has vanished. I must have done something, but I don't know what. I also don't seem to be able to get it back. Going to View, etc, shows toolbox still ticked. I've rebooted to no avail, but I can open other documents and still get the bar. Can anybody help? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 24 19:27:41 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148984 for opro ; Tue, 24 Apr 101 19:27:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988132741:10:25655:78; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:19:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025123; 24 Apr 2001 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3OHH1305139 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:17:01 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (IDENT:root@madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3OHGx505136 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:16:59 +0100 Received: from [62.188.195.80] (helo=62.188.195.80) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14s6P5-0002rL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:15:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil Coates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:04:26 +0100 Subject: Re: The Toolbox Message-ID: <4a7052fc3bphilco.g0coa@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a703f2b6echarles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a6e23206bned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> <4a703f2b6echarles.hope@argonet.co. User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Apr, charles.hope wrote: > I have a document which I'm working on where the Toolbox, at the left of > the document has vanished. > I must have done something, but I don't know what. I also don't seem to > be able to get it back. Going to View, etc, shows toolbox still ticked. Hi Charles. I'll be one of many to answer. click menu>view>option and select toolbox in there.. Phil -- This email has been sent from a RiscPC which does not run Windows, but it will more than likely read your files. philco.g0coa@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 24 19:27:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148985 for opro ; Tue, 24 Apr 101 19:27:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988133191:10:06764:65; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:26:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005821; 24 Apr 2001 17:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3OHOb905206 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:24:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3OHOZ505203 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:24:35 +0100 Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190] helo=tinypc) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14s6YJ-000Ie1-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:24:39 +0000 Message-ID: <002301c0cce3$4ca99ac0$23800001@tinypc> From: "Tony Simons" To: References: <4a6e23206bned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> <4a703f2b6echarles.hope@argonet.co. Subject: Re: The Toolbox Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:23:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I had this happen to me - save the doc as ddl and reload, cured it for me. Tony Simons - NECPWA North East Club for Pre-War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Coates" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: Re: The Toolbox > On 24 Apr, charles.hope wrote: > > I have a document which I'm working on where the Toolbox, at the left of > > the document has vanished. > > > I must have done something, but I don't know what. I also don't seem to > > be able to get it back. Going to View, etc, shows toolbox still ticked. > > > Hi Charles. I'll be one of many to answer. > > click menu>view>option and select toolbox in there.. > > > Phil > > -- > This email has been sent from a RiscPC which does not run Windows, > but it will more than likely read your files. > > philco.g0coa@argonet.co.uk > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Apr 24 19:27:59 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA148989 for opro ; Tue, 24 Apr 101 19:27:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988135778:10:06403:65; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:09:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129412; 24 Apr 2001 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3OI8sJ05479 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:08:54 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3OI8q505476 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:08:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 28609 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2001 18:08:56 -0000 Received: from userag35.test-uk.uudial.com (HELO gtwywc97@ukgateway.net) (62.188.195.122) by smtp-2.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2001 18:08:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:31:31 +0100 Subject: Re: The Toolbox Message-ID: <4a704a7a9crayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a703f2b6echarles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a6e23206bned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> <4a703f2b6echarles.hope@argonet.co. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4a703f2b6echarles.hope@argonet.co.uk>, charles.hope wrote: > I have a document which I'm working on where the Toolbox, at the left > of the document has vanished. > I must have done something, but I don't know what. I also don't seem > to be able to get it back. Going to View, etc, shows toolbox still > ticked. > I've rebooted to no avail, but I can open other documents and still get > the bar. You have probably got the desktop set to allow windows off screen, and the toolbar of that document has been moved off screen. Try moving the window around the extremities of the desktop to see if the toolbar reappears on the other side. Alternatively, go to configure and untick the option to allow windows off screen - move the OP window and the toolbar should spring back on screen. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 020 8864 7208 | the audio and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 01:48:51 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149005 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 01:48:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988137070:10:10350:64; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:31:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010207; 24 Apr 2001 18:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3OIUMi05599 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:30:22 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3OIUK505596 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:30:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14s7Zv-000CIh-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:30:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:28:55 GMT Message-Id: <148990@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Toolbox X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The approved workaround, is use Ovation Pro choices from the icon bar, View, Attach toolbox, untick it, click on OK, then retick it, click on OK. I suspect there may be a bug here that ends up with the toolbox position set to some silly value. But I've never been able to reproduce it. On the other hand you may set the toolbox position in a reasonable way for a given window position and then later when the window has moved it may no longer be reasonable. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 01:50:28 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149028 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 01:50:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988146639:20:14944:76; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:10:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116927; 24 Apr 2001 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3OL9oq06253 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:09:50 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3OL9m506250 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:09:48 +0100 Received: from modem-78.fermium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.69.206] helo=orchard-way) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14sA4D-0000XI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:09:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:06:35 +0100 From: Alan Adams Message-ID: <972769704a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Mail merge funny (OPro 2.60) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I found a slight oddity the other day. I inserted a mail merge tag into a document, then later changed my mind. I put the cursor after the tag and pressed DELETE. It didn't delete, and no further keyboard input was accepted by OPro. The same thing happens with BACKSPACE. However, if I put the cursor before the tag and press END it is successfully deleted. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 02:44:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149073 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 02:44:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988160011:20:07437:65; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:53:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107471; 25 Apr 2001 0:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3P0qLZ07009 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:52:21 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3OF7b504807 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:07:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14s4Pl-000FID-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:07:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:43:24 GMT Message-Id: <148956@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Support for Seiko or DYMO label printers? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I didn't know that !SparkFS could unscramble self- extracting .exe files I didn't either. A self extracting exe file tends to be a normal Zip with some code glued on the front. So stripping off the code should leave you with a Zip. However direct access tends to leave offsets wrong, so byte 0 in the .exe is not byte 0 in the Zip data and so on. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 14:13:10 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149090 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 14:13:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988163001:20:02212:64; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:43:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118700; 25 Apr 2001 1:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3P1gsJ07325 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:42:54 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3P1gq507322 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:42:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14sEKV-0009cE-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:42:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:33:37 GMT Message-Id: <149067@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail merge funny (OPro 2.60) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I found a slight oddity the other day. I inserted a mail merge tag into a >document, then later changed my mind. I put the cursor after the tag and >pressed DELETE. It didn't delete, and no further keyboard input was accepted >by OPro. The same thing happens with BACKSPACE. However, if I put the cursor >before the tag and press END it is successfully deleted. Doesn't go wrong for me. Might be worth thinking about an applet causing the trouble. Control+Escape etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 14:16:37 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149144 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 14:16:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988187010:10:22381:66; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:23:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021461; 25 Apr 2001 8:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3P8Lnr08763 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:21:49 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (itsspol@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3P8Lk508760 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:21:46 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk ([195.12.1.131] ident=root) by delta.barnet.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #6) id 14sKYa-0006k6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:21:52 +0000 Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f3P8Lbp06273 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:21:38 +0100 Subject: POBar again To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:21:30 +0100 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Websrv/QuantelWeb(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 04/25/2001 09:25:48 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, A while back, when there was all the discussion on whether !POBar generated the right thing, it was asked if anyone had another application to generate the barcodes. Well I have just gained access to one on a PC. So if anyone still needs/wants to do some comparisons let me know the details Andy Ling <<-- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel Ltd. may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates and receives, for potential scrutiny. See you at NAB 2001, booth #L11520. Go to http://www.quantel.com/news/nabprev.htm to find out more. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 14:16:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149145 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 14:16:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988193164:10:22684:86; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:06:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126809; 25 Apr 2001 10:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PA4QT09093 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:04:26 +0100 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3PA4N509090 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:04:23 +0100 Received: from modem-100.amoxicillin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.78.228]) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14sM9s-0005Wv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:04:28 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:04:12 +0100 Subject: Wessex font From: Roger Morris To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry this is not strictly an O'Pro matter but I'm rather stuck, looking for a truetype (for Mac) version of a font that I do currently use with O'Pro. It is called Wessex and, I think, came from a Beebug Font disc quite some years ago. Can anyone help with origins, supplier or alternative name. I did ask EFF and they pointed me to The Font Bureau. I looked at Wessex on The Font Bureau site but their Wessex is not the one I'm looking for. Or - is there a conversion available, RiscOS to Truetype? -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 14:16:53 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149153 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 14:16:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988200436:10:29293:64; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:07:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028726; 25 Apr 2001 12:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PC66v09502 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:06:06 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3PC64509499 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:06:04 +0100 Received: from kbnet.co.uk (dialup035.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.197]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00665 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:00:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:04:23 +0100 From: Mike Williams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wessex font Message-ID: <025abb704a.akalat@akalat.kbnet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Akalat Publishing User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Sorry this is not strictly an O'Pro matter but I'm rather stuck, looking for > a truetype (for Mac) version of a font that I do currently use with O'Pro. > > It is called Wessex and, I think, came from a Beebug Font disc quite some > years ago. Can anyone help with origins, supplier or alternative name. > The font was first published by Risc Developments (part of Beebug) in 1993. The Wessex font is attributed to one J.A.Rowan. The Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 17:43:35 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149174 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 17:43:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988205634:10:13834:72; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:33:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013921; 25 Apr 2001 13:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PDXB009801 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:33:11 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3P1h3507338 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:43:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14sEKg-0009cE-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:43:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:39:38 GMT Message-Id: <149071@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Red Hot Ant X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just to say that RHA, seems to have unsubscribed all its users, and as a result I've unsubbed them from the list. So if you're a RHA user and not reading this, you know why... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 17:43:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149173 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 17:43:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988205697:20:23823:67; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:34:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022986; 25 Apr 2001 13:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PDX8G09795 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:33:08 +0100 Received: from thick.mail.pipex.net (thick.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.95]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3P7NQ508613 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:23:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 516 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2001 07:23:18 -0000 Received: from usercl25.uk.uudial.com (HELO RiscPC) (62.188.154.166) by smtp-3.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2001 07:23:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:18:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Support for Seiko or DYMO label printers? Message-ID: <4a70a12650steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148956@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <148956@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <148956@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I didn't know that !SparkFS could unscramble self- extracting .exe files > I didn't either. A self extracting exe file tends to be a normal Zip > with some code glued on the front. So stripping off the code should > leave you with a Zip. I've found it works with most self extracting files. Obviously if the set up isn't a modified Zip it fails. > However direct access tends to leave offsets wrong, so byte 0 > in the .exe is not byte 0 in the Zip data and so on. Hmmm, seems to work although I can't recall trying to use a self extractor as such *after* I've used this method to access the contents. I've certainly never tried to write into them. PS. Is there a bug with the zoo extraction? I seem to get various errors after accessing zoo files. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 17:43:40 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149175 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 17:43:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988205634:10:13977:64; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:33:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013941; 25 Apr 2001 13:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PDXE009802 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:33:14 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3PDX9509798 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:33:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14sPPt-0000Is-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:33:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:24:08 GMT Message-Id: <149167@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Support for Seiko or DYMO label printers? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >PS. Is there a bug with the zoo extraction? I seem to get various errors >after accessing zoo files. Yes, >Zoo module generates branch through zero error, sometime after an archive is opened. Interestingly it has taken over a year for anyone (me included) to spot this. I have fixed the problem, but from the lack of bug reports (and common sense) I don't think this is very urgent. >It certainly seems to have worked for some .exe files, if not all of >them. Some unpacked into a directory of "Data" files which are really, >for us, Text and they all looked plausible enough - starting with If it is going to work, it will do, there won't be any near misses or data that is only partly right. Not working here would mean the archive contents did not appear. >If the s-e files had the code following the packed data, with a long jump >around it, is it possible that your unscrambler would have read forward >to the start of the scrambled code, ignoring the jump instruction? No. Zips are accessed by looking for the central directory at the end of the file. i.e. SparkFS starts at the end and works backwards. Unless that is you fiddle with the *ZipUseCentralDirectory command and turn off use of the central directory, in which case it will start from the front of the file and plod through it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 17:43:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149178 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 17:43:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988205640:10:13911:82; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:34:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013910; 25 Apr 2001 13:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PDX3d09787 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:33:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3P9ZX509023 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:35:33 +0100 Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14sLht-0008Xy-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:35:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:59:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Support for Seiko or DYMO label printers? Message-ID: <4a70aa65deJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148956@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <148956@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.01g (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >I didn't know that !SparkFS could unscramble self- extracting .exe > >files > I didn't either. A self extracting exe file tends to be a normal Zip > with some code glued on the front. So stripping off the code should > leave you with a Zip. > However direct access tends to leave offsets wrong, so byte 0 > in the .exe is not byte 0 in the Zip data and so on. It certainly seems to have worked for some .exe files, if not all of them. Some unpacked into a directory of "Data" files which are really, for us, Text and they all looked plausible enough - starting with comments describing them, ending in a reasonable way. But if there were binary files in the same set they're clearly less easily recognised... If the s-e files had the code following the packed data, with a long jump around it, is it possible that your unscrambler would have read forward to the start of the scrambled code, ignoring the jump instruction? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 17:43:52 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149181 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 17:43:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988208094:10:19425:64; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:14:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018418; 25 Apr 2001 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PEDHi10250 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:13:17 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3PEDE510247 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:13:14 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop1-40.access.ch [212.161.128.40]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16950 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:13:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:11:59 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Mail merge funny (OPro 2.60) To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <149067@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 25 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > >I found a slight oddity the other day. I inserted a mail merge tag into a > >document, then later changed my mind. I put the cursor after the tag and > >pressed DELETE. It didn't delete, and no further keyboard input was accepted > >by OPro. The same thing happens with BACKSPACE. However, if I put the cursor > >before the tag and press END it is successfully deleted. > > Doesn't go wrong for me. Might be worth thinking about an applet > causing the trouble. Control+Escape etc. Possible. But having similar experiences with other programs the problem is probably elsewhere. I once solved it by changing the zoom factor. This makes me believe that the problem lies in the fact that in some cases when placing the caret at an end of a Merge tag or, as I experienced, at the end of a keyed date entry, the program has difficulty recognizing the caret's position. If for example the text of the tag is "Merge", the tag is positioned at the letter "M". What follows is actually connected to this position. In other words the position of the following 4 letters is not defined in the following positions, at least not as text entry. But the odd thing is that you can place the caret at the end of the word "Merge". David, you will certainly have a more technically sound reasoning of my analysis. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 19:03:52 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149185 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 19:03:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988218627:20:08449:67; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:10:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007429; 25 Apr 2001 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PH8kn10845 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:08:46 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3PH8i510842 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:08:44 +0100 Received: from [62.188.24.83] (helo=62.188.24.83) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14sSkY-0004Sc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:06:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:53:27 +0100 Subject: Re: The Toolbox Message-ID: <4a70bfd7f5charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <148990@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <148990@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > The approved workaround, is use Ovation Pro choices from the icon > bar, View, Attach toolbox, untick it, click on OK, then retick it, > click on OK. Yes, thank you. It took a bit more than just that. It appeared on unattach and then disappeared on attach. With it unattached I had to move it back into the correct position and then attach. When it wsn't accurately positioned, it locked for horizontal movements only.... but I got there in the end. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 19:03:52 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149186 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 19:03:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988218602:10:25510:68; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:10:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025434; 25 Apr 2001 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PH93v10850 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:09:03 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3PH90510847 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:09:00 +0100 Received: from [62.188.24.83] (helo=62.188.24.83) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14sSkn-0004Sc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:07:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:57:41 +0100 Subject: Re: The Toolbox Message-ID: <4a70c03b00charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a7052fc3bphilco.g0coa@argonet.co.uk> References: <4a6e23206bned@weatherpost.fsnet.co.uk> <4a703f2b6echarles.hope@argonet.co. User-Agent: Pluto/2.02c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Apr, Phil Coates wrote: > On 24 Apr, charles.hope wrote: > > I have a document which I'm working on where the Toolbox, at the left > > of the document has vanished. > Hi Charles. I'll be one of many to answer. > click menu>view>option and select toolbox in there.. It was already selected .... but see David Pilling's reply. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Apr 25 19:03:55 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149187 for opro ; Wed, 25 Apr 101 19:03:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988219772:20:06571:68; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:29:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006245; 25 Apr 2001 17:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PHSAI11044 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:28:10 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3PHS8511041 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:28:08 +0100 Received: from [62.188.156.35] (helo=62.188.156.35) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14sT3N-000572-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:26:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:26:33 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar again Message-ID: <4a70d8d891pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , wrote: > Hi, > A while back, when there was all the discussion on whether > !POBar generated the right thing, it was asked if anyone > had another application to generate the barcodes. > Well I have just gained access to one on a PC. So if anyone > still needs/wants to do some comparisons let me know the > details Yes, indeed! I can send you some codes done with POBar for you to compare with the PC-generated ones, if that would be OK. I still get very different codes to what the PO put on my post. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 02:06:01 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149200 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 02:05:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988230077:20:04775:66; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:21:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114233; 25 Apr 2001 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PKIIG11555 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:18:18 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3PKIF511552 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:18:16 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop10-29.access.ch [212.161.131.29]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16399 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:18:20 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:17:00 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar again To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a70d8d891pnyoung@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 25 Apr, Dr P.N.Young wrote: snip > Yes, indeed! I can send you some codes done with POBar for you to compare > with the PC-generated ones, if that would be OK. I still get very > different codes to what the PO put on my post. Beware. It could be that the PO put a coding on the mail you receive which is only partly related to your postal code. Such as where and when it was posted, the route followed, etc., etc. This to be able to track down possible problems in the routing of mail and the time it takes for delivery. The PO codes present on mail I receive generally are never the same. Of the approx. 50 codes added by the PO only the last 30 codes appear to be the same, be it mail sent within this country or coming from abroad. The coding on mail coming from abroad is added by the Swiss. Mail I send abroad does not receive a Swiss coding. The reason for this is that every country has its own coding principles (and ideas...) for delivery. As was explained to me by postal experts. So there is a difference between the coding used as an addition to the address and the coding used by the PO for routing mail. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 02:06:36 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149205 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 02:06:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988233645:20:00553:73; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:20:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106400; 25 Apr 2001 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3PLJna11796 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:19:49 +0100 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3PLJl511793 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:19:47 +0100 Received: from modem-102.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.102] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14sWhT-0002Ll-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:19:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:19:16 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail merge funny (OPro 2.60) Message-ID: References: <149067@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <149067@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <149067@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >I found a slight oddity the other day. I inserted a mail merge tag into a > >document, then later changed my mind. I put the cursor after the tag and > >pressed DELETE. It didn't delete, and no further keyboard input was accepted > >by OPro. The same thing happens with BACKSPACE. However, if I put the cursor > >before the tag and press END it is successfully deleted. > > Doesn't go wrong for me. Might be worth thinking about an applet > causing the trouble. Control+Escape etc. > > > > David Pilling > My applet list is as follows: ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!OvnPro.Applets.!Arrange ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!OvnPro.Applets.!JoinLine ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!OvnPro.Applets.!Fill ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!OvnPro.Applets.!Quotes ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!OvnPro.Applets.!Ligature ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!OvnPro.Applets.!Fraction ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!OvnPro.Applets.!ColSupp I get occasional other problems with the backspace key, which sometimes don't occur with the delete key. Sometimes I can't delete the blank lines back to the end of a story. Sometimes I can't delete the newline at the start of a story. Using END seems to work in most of these cases. The above is the first time I have had to save and quit to get OPro working again though. (The buttons worked - it was just the keyboard which did not.) -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 03:09:05 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149223 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 03:09:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988247107:20:02498:68; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:05:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111082; 26 Apr 2001 1:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3Q13fx12412 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:03:41 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3Q13d512409 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:03:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14saC7-0006qe-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:03:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:28:22 GMT Message-Id: <149195@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail merge funny (OPro 2.60) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This makes me believe that the problem lies in the fact that in some >cases when placing the caret at an end of a Merge tag or, as I >experienced, at the end of a keyed date entry, the program has >difficulty recognizing the caret's position. >If for example the text of the tag is "Merge", the tag is positioned at >the letter "M". What follows is actually connected to this position. In Um. A merge tag in the text of a document [Merge 66] for example is 'atomic' it should never be possible to stick the caret between the two []'s. OP goes to some lengths to ensure this. If you ever do manage to split such atomic text then there are likely to be explosive consequences. There are some other atomic items which can appear, like active dates, page numbers, bullet/auto para text. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 13:15:20 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149226 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 13:15:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988274402:10:02109:64; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:40:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000714; 26 Apr 2001 8:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3Q8bUt13622 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:37:30 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3Q8bR513619 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:37:27 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f3Q8bOp17415 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:37:24 +0100 Subject: POBar update To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:37:16 +0100 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Websrv/QuantelWeb(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 04/26/2001 09:41:35 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Roger King sent me a couple of postcodes to try and as far as I can see the barcodes generated on the PC are the same as the ones generated by OPro. So it looks like David got it right. I have been sent a few other postcodes to try which I will do tonight (hopefully). I'm away next week so there will be a delay for any more after tonight. Regards Andy Ling <<-- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel Ltd. may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates and receives, for potential scrutiny. See you at NAB 2001, booth #L11520. Go to http://www.quantel.com/news/nabprev.htm to find out more. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 13:15:46 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149228 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 13:15:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988250872:20:12561:68; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:07:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117829; 26 Apr 2001 2:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3Q271L12661 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 03:07:01 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3Q26x512658 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 03:06:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14sbBQ-0009DB-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:07:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:27:15 GMT Message-Id: <149217@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail merge funny (OPro 2.60) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My applet list is as follows: I wouldn't think any of those are suspect. The ones which do fiddle with the keyboard are Quotes, Ligature and Fraction. So I suppose you could try disabling them. >I get occasional other problems with the backspace key, which sometimes >don't occur with the delete key. But this points at something else. Maybe something is upseting the Ovation Pro 'UniversalKeyboard' module on your machine. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 13:15:55 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149231 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 13:15:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988275269:20:14654:74; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:54:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106057; 26 Apr 2001 8:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3Q8q2R13684 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:52:02 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3Q8px513681 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:51:59 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Tonys) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14shVM-000K89-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:52:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:43:57 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail merge funny (OPro 2.60) Message-ID: <64d62c714a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <149217@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <149217@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: CCC User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10d (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 26 Apr 2001, opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >My applet list is as follows: > > I wouldn't think any of those are suspect. The ones which do fiddle > with the keyboard are Quotes, Ligature and Fraction. > So I suppose you could try disabling them. > > >I get occasional other problems with the backspace key, which sometimes > >don't occur with the delete key. > > But this points at something else. Maybe something is upseting the > Ovation Pro 'UniversalKeyboard' module on your machine. > Hm. Have you recently updated Zap by any chance? The latest Zap comes with a DeepKeys module, which replaces keyboard buffering. It sits on the buffer insert vector, but does not (cannot) pass on the call, so it upsets any other keyboard extension modules which have been loaded before it in a big way. It therefore is imperative that it is installed at boot time, so that it's at the head of the chain. It's a Cerilica module, so the chances are that it's also supplied with Vantage, and maybe other things. Type "help Deepkeys" at the command line to see if its loaded. -- Tony van der Hoff | MailTo:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | MailTo:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 16:30:22 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149253 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 16:30:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988292770:10:22569:75; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:46:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022561; 26 Apr 2001 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3QDicc14519 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:44:38 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3QDia514516 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:44:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14sm4X-000MvU-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:44:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:41:38 GMT Message-Id: <149248@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar update X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Roger King sent me a couple of postcodes to try and as far >as I can see the barcodes generated on the PC are the same >as the ones generated by OPro. So it looks like David >got it right. Hurray. I guess this means we can now berate Computer Shopper for making a typo on their address labels... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 16:30:27 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149255 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 16:30:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988298608:10:08048:70; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:23:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007718; 26 Apr 2001 15:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3QFLYS14898 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:21:34 +0100 Received: from snowstorm.mail.pipex.net (snowstorm.mail.pipex.net [158.43.192.97]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3QFLW514895 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:21:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 17500 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 15:21:36 -0000 Received: from userad25.uk.uudial.com (HELO RiscPC) (62.188.131.68) by smtp-5.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 15:21:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:26:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Support for Seiko or DYMO label printers? Message-ID: <4a7125bcefsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <149167@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <149167@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <149167@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >PS. Is there a bug with the zoo extraction? I seem to get various errors > >after accessing zoo files. > Yes, > Zoo module generates branch through zero error, sometime after an archive > is opened. Yep, that's the one. > Interestingly it has taken over a year for anyone (me included) to spot > this. I have fixed the problem, but from the lack of bug reports (and > common sense) I don't think this is very urgent. Mostly the archives I work on are zip, sometimes lzh and almost invariably from the dark side. I had noticed the problem some while back, but at first assumed I had a problem with this machine. A recent ditch out of the main HD, and full RO4 install convinced me the fault probably wasn't with the hardware. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 20:43:21 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149271 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 20:43:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988313153:20:11401:64; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:25:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103275; 26 Apr 2001 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3QJOwG15750 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:24:58 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3QJOu515747 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:24:56 +0100 Received: from pbready ([213.104.231.158]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010426192500.NDAX290.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@pbready> for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:25:00 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:24:59 +0100 From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wessex font Message-ID: <818667714a.pbready@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message dmoore@argonet.co.uk (David Moore) wrote: > On Wed 25 Apr 2001 (11:04:12 +0100), roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > > Sorry this is not strictly an O'Pro matter but I'm rather stuck, > > looking for a truetype (for Mac) version of a font that I do currently > > use with > > I had this problem a short while ago when I wanted to transfer an acorn > handwriting font to the PCs at school. > > I converted the font to a postscript font using Dr.Fonty from the DrawWorks > Millenium CD. (I had to download a bug fix from the ISV website which > prevented Dr. Fonty saving as a postscript font file.) > > I then downloaded a copy of Adobe Type Manager Lite (I think this is what it is > called) from their site and loaded the postscript file onto the PC. It works > quite well. I assume Adobe have an equivalent manager for the MAC. > > Regards > David Try using google.com and search for mac2pc font - it churns up quite afew matches and talks of a few free Mac utilities that might be of use. As I've not got a Mac, I don't know how applicable/useful they might be. Cheers PS There's loads of sites for font definitions and/or conversions - I managed to get enough info so I could convert some PC fonts (purely for personal use on my RiscPC) that EFF's truetype convertor wouldn't let me convert. -- Pete Bready pbready@ntlworld.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 20:43:29 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149272 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 20:43:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988309469:10:26437:73; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:24:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106931; 26 Apr 2001 18:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3QILgL15413 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:21:42 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3QILe515410 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:21:40 +0100 Received: from modem-34.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.32.162] helo=kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14sqOc-0004yk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:21:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:41:44 +0100 (BST) From: John Percy Kerslake Subject: Re: POBar update To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <149248@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 26 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > >Roger King sent me a couple of postcodes to try and as far > >as I can see the barcodes generated on the PC are the same > >as the ones generated by OPro. So it looks like David > >got it right. > > Hurray. I guess this means we can now berate Computer Shopper for > making a typo on their address labels... > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > Could someone with OCR/scanner scan in the computer shoper etc and see what they decode as. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Pager 07626 - 235878 e-mail address:- Work = kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Home = johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk, Dyslexia Rules KO. RiscStation 64 meg 50 ns RAM. 9G HD, A.N.T.-I.S. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 20:43:42 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149274 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 20:43:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988309619:10:28783:65; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:26:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028156; 26 Apr 2001 18:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3QIPlp15467 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:25:47 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3QIPj515464 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:25:45 +0100 Received: from [62.188.26.103] (helo=62.188.26.103) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14sqQh-0004m0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:23:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Moore) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:33:04 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Wessex font Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 25 Apr 2001 (11:04:12 +0100), roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > Sorry this is not strictly an O'Pro matter but I'm rather stuck, > looking for a truetype (for Mac) version of a font that I do currently > use with I had this problem a short while ago when I wanted to transfer an acorn handwriting font to the PCs at school. I converted the font to a postscript font using Dr.Fonty from the DrawWorks Millenium CD. (I had to download a bug fix from the ISV website which prevented Dr. Fonty saving as a postscript font file.) I then downloaded a copy of Adobe Type Manager Lite (I think this is what it is called) from their site and loaded the postscript file onto the PC. It works quite well. I assume Adobe have an equivalent manager for the MAC. Regards David -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/education/dmoore/ __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dmoore@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Apr 26 23:34:44 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149279 for opro ; Thu, 26 Apr 101 23:34:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988317901:10:09922:68; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:45:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009604; 26 Apr 2001 20:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3QKhMw16010 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:43:22 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3QKhK516007 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:43:20 +0100 Received: from modem-209.florida.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.60.209] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14ssbk-0006RN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:43:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:34:42 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail merge funny (OPro 2.60) Message-ID: <56e86d714a.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <149217@pilling.demon.co.uk> <64d62c714a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <64d62c714a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <64d62c714a.Tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On 26 Apr 2001, opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > >My applet list is as follows: > > > > I wouldn't think any of those are suspect. The ones which do fiddle > > with the keyboard are Quotes, Ligature and Fraction. > > So I suppose you could try disabling them. > > > > >I get occasional other problems with the backspace key, which sometimes > > >don't occur with the delete key. > > > > But this points at something else. Maybe something is upseting the > > Ovation Pro 'UniversalKeyboard' module on your machine. > > > Hm. Have you recently updated Zap by any chance? The latest Zap comes with a > DeepKeys module, which replaces keyboard buffering. It sits on the buffer > insert vector, but does not (cannot) pass on the call, so it upsets any other > keyboard extension modules which have been loaded before it in a big way. Sorry - I have never run Zap, and don't have any Cerilica software (yet) > > It therefore is imperative that it is installed at boot time, so that it's at > the head of the chain. > > It's a Cerilica module, so the chances are that it's also supplied with > Vantage, and maybe other things. Type "help Deepkeys" at the command line to > see if its loaded. I'll keep this in mind if and when... -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 27 13:43:16 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149295 for opro ; Fri, 27 Apr 101 13:43:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988361572:20:17809:68; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:52:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125378; 27 Apr 2001 8:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3R8pJG17803 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:51:19 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3R8pG517800 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:51:16 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f3R8pIp13212 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:51:18 +0100 Subject: !POBar the end To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:51:08 +0100 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Websrv/QuantelWeb(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 04/27/2001 09:55:30 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have now tried all the postcodes I have been sent and all of them generated the same barcode on the PC as !POBar in OPro. So I think we can say finally that David got it right. Interestingly the program on the PC is for generating labels for CDs. Quite why it should have a facility for generating postal barcodes I don't know. It will actually generate barcodes in any of 20+ formats so I suppose the postal ones are just there for completeness Andy Ling <<-- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel Ltd. may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates and receives, for potential scrutiny. To learn more about Quantel's Clipbox Studio, go to http://www.quantel.com/clipboxstudio -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Apr 27 13:43:19 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149296 for opro ; Fri, 27 Apr 101 13:43:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988361811:20:23825:73; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:56:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023724; 27 Apr 2001 8:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3R8tjQ17852 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:55:45 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3R8th517849 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:55:43 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com ([195.12.20.51]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f3R8tjp15666 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:55:46 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar update To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:55:37 +0100 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Websrv/QuantelWeb(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 04/27/2001 09:59:57 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Could someone with OCR/scanner scan in the computer shoper etc and see > what they decode as. You don't need a scanner/OCR. Just type in the barcode by hand. If you put the cursor in the Barcode window of !POBar and type a few keys you will get the hang of what generates what. There aren't many characters (about 4?). Then use the decode button to find out what the barcode means. This has been done with some of the queried codes and the differences often could be put down to typos Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Apr 28 16:26:40 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149389 for opro ; Sat, 28 Apr 101 16:26:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988470038:20:16157:76; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:00:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113974; 28 Apr 2001 15:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3SEtbx22583 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:55:37 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3SEtS522580 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:55:34 +0100 Received: from [62.188.133.251] (helo=62.188.133.251) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14tW6C-0000BL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:53:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:54:41 +0100 Subject: Re: !POBar the end Message-ID: <4a7256737dpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , wrote: > I have now tried all the postcodes I have been sent > and all of them generated the same barcode on the PC > as !POBar in OPro. > So I think we can say finally that David got it right. > Interestingly the program on the PC is for generating > labels for CDs. Quite why it should have a facility > for generating postal barcodes I don't know. > It will actually generate barcodes in any of 20+ formats > so I suppose the postal ones are just there for completeness Thanks for trying it, and I am reassured. However, it gets odder. I have in front of me two bar-codes; one is on a letter from the Bank, put on by them, which is nearly the same as the one produced by POBar (just a few extra bars on the end in the Bank one). The other has been put on an envelope by the PO, and is quite different. Presumably they are wrong? I will be happier using POBar from now on, anyway. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 30 19:22:12 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149407 for opro ; Mon, 30 Apr 101 19:22:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988488208:20:11955:65; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:03:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124353; 28 Apr 2001 20:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3SK2Am23440 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:02:10 +0100 Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3SK25523436 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:02:05 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-79.access.ch [212.161.129.79]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16099 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:02:10 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:53:44 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: !POBar the end To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4a7256737dpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: tevens Secretariaat Stichting Van Vredenburch X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 28 Apr, Dr P.N.Young wrote: snip > So I think we can say finally that David got it right. As far as the sender of mail is concerned, absolutely. From the beginning. I found some old "Return-addresses" (i.e. where the sender had entered the "return" address to the documents I had to return) and all were *identical* to David's coding. > Thanks for trying it, and I am reassured. However, it gets odder. I have > in front of me two bar-codes; one is on a letter from the Bank, put on by > them, which is nearly the same as the one produced by POBar (just a few > extra bars on the end in the Bank one). The other has been put on an > envelope by the PO, and is quite different. Presumably they are wrong? No. they are not wrong, they use there own coding for postal reasons. See my message of Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:17:00 +0200 (BST) > I will be happier using POBar from now on, anyway. >From my own experience, sending 'snail-mail' from Switzerlamd approx. twice a week to England, I know that when adding the !POBar code to the bottom line of the address, mail is generally delivered within 3 days. Without the code delivery takes 5 to 8 days. Or more. If you add the PO code to your address, the PO will read it. And much faster than the Ascii tokens representing the address you typed. The PO will then eventually add their own coding for their own internal uses. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscOS Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 30 19:22:34 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149419 for opro ; Mon, 30 Apr 101 19:22:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988577674:20:27724:74; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:54:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027507; 29 Apr 2001 20:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3TKrSH26956 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:53:28 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3TKrP526953 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:53:25 +0100 Received: from modem-215.colorado.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.57.215]) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14tyCA-0003c0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:53:30 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:51:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Wessex font - THANKS From: Roger Morris To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <818667714a.pbready@ntlworld.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [snipped] >>> Sorry this is not strictly an O'Pro matter but I'm rather stuck, >>> looking for a truetype (for Mac) version of a font that I do currently >>> use with O'Pro ... >> Very many thanks to all who replied with such helpful suggestions. Although I haven't found a way of converting Acorn Intmetrics and Outline files (or PS files from Dr Fonty/FontFiend) directly into Mac Truetype fonts I have found Mac utilities enabling me to convert a draw file (Artworks EPS o/p) of the characters into a Truetype font file. Thanks again - my success has been due to help received via this list. -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 30 19:22:38 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149420 for opro ; Mon, 30 Apr 101 19:22:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988564450:10:18757:126; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:14:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110414; 29 Apr 2001 17:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3TH8p826347 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:08:51 +0100 Received: from smtp.argonet.co.uk (madhatter.navaho.net [213.161.67.202]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3TH8l526344 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:08:48 +0100 Received: from [62.188.143.198] (helo=62.188.143.198) by smtp.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14tuel-0003Pq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:06:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Dr P.N.Young" To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:04:44 +0100 Subject: Re: !POBar the end Message-ID: <4a72e6315cpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4a7256737dpnyoung@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.02d (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > If you add the PO code to your address, the PO will read it. And much > faster than the Ascii tokens representing the address you typed. The PO > will then eventually add their own coding for their own internal uses. Ah, I understand, I think :-) I will be happier using POBar, at any rate. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 30 19:22:51 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149426 for opro ; Mon, 30 Apr 101 19:22:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988618803:10:15512:75; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:20:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015017; 30 Apr 2001 8:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3U8II928460 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:18:18 +0100 Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3U8IF528457 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:18:15 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi04.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi04.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.48.9]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3U8IGX07872 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:18:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi04.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:18:14 +0100 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9963C@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: Options for Numbering Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:18:06 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings David, I do not know if it would be possible to have numbering run in reverse. I wanted to produce a list of items which were numbered with the highest at the top and counting down to the lowest. 5 most important 4 important 3 middle rank 2 less important 1 least important Any thoughts. It was not a big issue - certainly easy enough to do manually. Thanks for an excellent program - if find useful new things each time I use it. > Michael Hunter > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 30 19:22:58 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149428 for opro ; Mon, 30 Apr 101 19:22:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988620977:10:03239:83; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:56:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102381; 30 Apr 2001 8:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3U8aju28584 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:36:45 +0100 Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3U8ae528580 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:36:41 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi04.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi04.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.48.9]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3U8ajX16915 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:36:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi04.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:36:40 +0100 Message-ID: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9963D@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Michael Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: OT? Jumbled Text in PDF File Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:36:39 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings, This may be off topic but I wonder if anybody here can help. My experiences of Ghostscript are that it is generally good - particularly when using only Homerton and Trinity. I posted this to the Ghostscript list. When I produce a pdf file the text is miss-spaced - almost the effect you would get if you move the paper during photocopying. Recently I downloaded the latest version 6.50 and have had no problems producing successful pdf output from short documents - for example a 6 page pamphlet. However late last night I wanted to produce a much larger pdf file - a 40 page booklet. The main difference from previous attempts - in addition to the size - is that each page is in two columns. On some pages the columns seem to lie on top of each other - on others (a page with only one column of text it is as if the paper was loose in the printer - the lines are not straight! The effects are the same on screen as in print. I am producing the documents from Ovation Pro using the pamphlet printing option. The postscript file view successfully in Gview on the Acorn and on a PC. But the pdf output fails on both platforms. I get the pdf using !PStoPdf and view it using !pdf on the Acorn and Acrobat 4.05 on a PC. In order to avoid font problems I have only used Homerton and Trinity fonts. As I said it was late when I tried this. Other than trying a second attempt following a restart of the machine I have not experimented. Any assistance would be gratefully received. > Michael Hunter > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 30 21:44:57 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149460 for opro ; Mon, 30 Apr 101 21:44:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988654986:20:07076:65; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:23:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006702; 30 Apr 2001 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3UIJjk30285 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:19:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3UIJh530282 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:19:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14uIGy-000NVN-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:19:49 +0000 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:17:12 GMT Message-Id: <149400@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !POBar the end X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >Thanks for trying it, and I am reassured. However, it gets odder. I have >in front of me two bar-codes; one is on a letter from the Bank, put on by >them, which is nearly the same as the one produced by POBar (just a few >extra bars on the end in the Bank one). Does it decode, and what to? >The other has been put on an >envelope by the PO, and is quite different. Presumably they are wrong? I could imagine the PO have another system for coding material that they have OCR'd or hand enterered. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Apr 30 22:12:24 2001 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149471 for opro ; Mon, 30 Apr 101 22:12:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988664181:20:24231:64; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:56:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104536; 30 Apr 2001 20:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3UKgZw30775 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:42:35 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3UKgW530772 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:42:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14uKVB-0009mg-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:42:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:09:22 GMT Message-Id: <149436@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Options for Numbering X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry, you can't have autonumbering run backwards. Really it should be possible to enter a 'formula' for autonumbering. Maybe I'll get around to adding that one day. For now there is a limited amount of space allocated. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 1 00:16:06 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149474 for opro ; Tue, 01 May 101 00:16:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988665072:10:02236:64; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:11:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002141; 30 Apr 2001 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3UKgka30785 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:42:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3UKgh530782 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:42:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14uKVI-0009mg-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:42:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:11:56 GMT Message-Id: <149440@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two separate questions - kernig & =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=10?= hard spaces X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. With no text selected the "Modify Text" dialog should have a >Kern option (according to the manual). This is an old one. A decision was made to change this behaviour after the 1996 manual went to press, but before the first version of the program appeared. >2. Hard spaces don't seem to produce a fixed length space in >justified text! Some effort has gone into making this the way things work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 1 00:16:11 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149476 for opro ; Tue, 01 May 101 00:16:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988666007:10:26022:88; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:26:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125871; 30 Apr 2001 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3UKgeP30780 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:42:40 +0100 Received: from nectarine.mail.uk.easynet.net (nectarine.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.47]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3SMgU523861 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:42:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 99607 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2001 22:42:29 -0000 Received: from tnt-5-18.easynet.co.uk (HELO ?195.40.200.18?) ([195.40.200.18]) (envelope-sender ) by nectarine.mail.uk.easynet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 28 Apr 2001 22:42:29 -0000 From: Graham Jones To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Two separate questions - kernig & =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=10?= hard spaces . Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:42:39 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Language: i-default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id f3SMge523862 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro While editing some docs recently I noticed a couple of oddities. 1. With no text selected the "Modify Text" dialog should have a Kern option (according to the manual). In 2.60 -> 2.63 I can only ever see the Track option, which the manual says should be given when there is a text selection! 2. Hard spaces don't seem to produce a fixed length space in justified text! hard spaces sees to be expanded in the same way as normal spaces. Saving as DDL and examining the file shows that the correct character is there. Has anybody else noticed these anomalies? Graham -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue May 1 00:16:14 2001 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA149477 for opro ; Tue, 01 May 101 00:16:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 988666937:10:22729:66; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:42:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120228; 30 Apr 2001 21:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3ULehk31197 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:40:43 +0100 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3ULed531194 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:40:39 +0100 Received: from modem-321.rottweiler.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.201.65] helo=pavilion) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14uLPO-0001wj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:40:43 +0100 Message-ID: <007001c0d1bd$f0938e00$41c9193e@pavilion> From: "Michael Hunter" To: References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7ECA9963D@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT? Jumbled Text in PDF File Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:36:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings, I did some further investigation myself and I found out that the problem is associated with the Autokern feature. When it selected I get the problem - with it not selected everything is OK even displays OK on !pdf. The pdf file size for a single sheet drops from 43k with kerning to under 6k without kerning. Michael Hunter michael@hunter8home.freeserve.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hunter" To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: OT? Jumbled Text in PDF File snip > I posted this to the Ghostscript list. > > > When I produce a pdf file the text is miss-spaced - almost the effect you > would get if you move the paper during photocopying. > snip -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message